Under Attack at our Family Cabin in West Virginia

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big for Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode with a friend. Does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes and Big for Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Big Fort Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Will tonight.

0:47 He's a listener that reached out to me from Virginia and he's had quite a few things happen to him over the years. But how's it going tonight, Will? That's going all right? I'm just glad to finally being able to look off my chest. Absolutely. You were talking to me before the interview and you said you've been listening almost since the very beginning of the podcast, and I appreciate that. That's pretty cool. It's crazy to think it's almost going on five years, but you had sent me an email and you've had some really interesting things happen. I'm excited to hear your story and then maybe ask some questions. But I'm going to go ahead and give the reins over to you will and any context our listeners need to know. Feel free to go ahead and start sharing your story. Okay, sounds good. So I'm originally from the state of New York and my mom's side of the family is from West Virginia where this is pretty much all started from as a little kid. Since the show Finding bigfootead came out, it really sparked my interest and I knew. I was like, hey, Grandma and Grandpa, they have a cabin in West Virginia. It's in the middle of nowhere. I was about twelve years old, bugged my uncle so many times, like take me up to the cabin, Let's go bigfoot hunting, Let's go bigfoot hunting, and he finally said, okay, all right, let's do it.

2:07 So after watching Finding Bigfoot being a kid, I was like, I want to do everything they do. From call blasting and setting up trail cameras and things of that nature. So nothing really happened our first time when I went out when I was twelve, but we would spend a solid week up at the cabin at a time during the middle of summer summer break. Everything really started kicking off when I was thirteen years old, and I don't know, it's hard to imagine experiencing things at such a young age that everybody in my life had always told me, Oh, that's fake, that's make believe, that's not real. You're crazy to them, being like, huh, I saw this, and you all tell me it's fake, but it's flesh and blood, and I saw it with my own two eyes. So the first thing that had happened was being him got up to the cabin. It was just a normal kind of hot day in West Virginia. We unloaded a bunch of stuff, and my uncle had this big bluetooth speaker and we were going to do call blasting. So we had stayed up pretty late, probably about one or two o'clock in the morning, just blasting calls off the front porch of the cabin and really didn't hear too too much. Nothing out of the ordinary the first night we were there, and the second night we decided, hey, let's go camping. We'll set up a trail camera. We camped around the property that night and that's when things started more peeking and popping off.

3:38 I don't know if it's because where they how the cabin was set up that things didn't really want to go around it. My uncle had these ideas, let's do wood knocks. That night, which was the second night we were there, he started popping off woodknocks on the tree. Everything was pretty quiet to start and he had gotten up and sorry, Teremiah, this is it's just a lot to think back on and finally be able to talk to He had gotten up to use the bathroom and I heard him get up, and it wasn't nothing out of the ordinary for him to get up and hear somebody walk away. He came walking back. I heard him get back in his tent and it was probably good twenty minutes later. Being young in the middle of the woods, it's hard to go back to sleep have to hear somebody get up. And I had known that he was laying down, and all of a sudden, it just sounded like something on two feet was just pacing around where we were camping at and I tried to wake him up, and I didn't really want to yell or anything, and I was freaking out and I was like, hey, wake up, and I didn't get any response out of him. And eventually, on that night, I just heard whatever it was, it just walked away and I had I finally had fallen back asleep. I woke up in the morning and I ran up woke my own club, like did you hear what was going on last night? Did you hear that? And he's just like no. I was like, dude, something's completely walking around our camp. He's like, okay, well take me to where you think you heard it walking around. And we got up

5:10 that morning and we walked around and we actually had found a pretty deep indent footprint. And I still wish that I spoke with this uncle who used to take me up there, but we really don't talk much anymore. All these other things that I'm going to talk ramble on about. I guess he had all these pictures on his phone of the stuff that we had found and seen and stuff, but he had a picture of the footprint, and the only kind of crappy part was there was only one that we could really find. And then during the day we had went back to the cabin and we were talking about it and we were both excited. But at the same time he wore SI thirteen boot and it was bigger than his boot, and I looked at him. Uncle's not the type of guy to get nervous, but he was just like he was always on the spectrum of I don't know if this thing's real, that how this thing is probably real. That night we had gotten back to the cabin. Nothing really took too much place during that time during that trip other than I just heard something just pacing around us and we kicked it back at the cabin. For the rest of the couple days we stayed up there, and it was kind of a lot of things letting let up to me not going back to the cabin, which I haven't been back to that cabin since I was sixteen, and I refused to go back.

6:30 But anyway, so the next summer that we went up there, this is when things started to get a lot more up at eat with activity, and it was just it was a lot more rampant. I don't know if I just I don't know, it was just got a lot different During that summer. When I was fourteen, we always went up to the cabin at the same time, and during this time things just got more intense. So we got up there. The first night it was pretty quiet, but the second night we started just cooking over and open fire, and we were just hanging out being loud and roudy. The sun started to go down a little bit. We always cooked over the open fire when we were there because we didn't have a grill or anything up to the cabin, and it has the tin roof, so we started hearing just like little tings off the tin roof, and it sounded like something was throwing rocks. And he looked at me, and I looked at him, and I was like, huh. I took a rock and I threw it back up there, and then it just started progressively getting louder. It wasn't like repetitive, it was like king. It was like you hear like ting, and then it'd be like three or four second pause, and then you hear like another ting, and that's when it was just completely out of the ordinary. We both looked at each other and we're like, that's not natural. What would be up on the side of this mountain, just the throwing things and perfectly hitting this roof. Now I say it's a cabin, but it was just really one of those big double wide trailers, but it was on the nicer end. And I started throwing

8:00 rocks back after we would hear rocks, and all of a sudden it was just like this damn on the top of the roof, and you saw this massive rock, almost the size of a basketball, just roll and just smack on the ground in front of us. We both looked at each other and we were like, what the heck is that? And He's just like, stop throwing rocks up there. Stop throwing rocks up there. This isn't a good idea. So we got the food off the fire and we just went back in the house. And I'm getting chills even talking about this. It was just like, what the heck is going on? And so sun went down and we were getting ready for bed moun because let's not go outside of the night. Let's not piss anything off that's in the woods that we shouldn't be pissing off. And I was okay with that. I was a little bit on the a little bit on the shakier side after that happened, because I just wasn't expecting that to happen. Just literally a rock the size of a basketball smashing off this roof. So it came out. It was about ten thirty eleven o'clock at night. My uncle I had went to bed, so it was a one bedroom, and then I would sleep in the living room. And how the living room was set up as you'd walk through the door, and we had a futon against the wall, and then against the other wall there was another futon, but there was a window where when I laid down, I could look up out the window and there was a window in front of me. So that night I was just I finally had fallen asleep, and all of a sudden I just heard something loud, just pacing and not even pacing, I don't want to say it was pacing, but just surpling. It was loud footsteps, and it made my heart start beating

9:35 through my chest, and I was just like, okay, I was like, maybe I'm hearing things. And I would just try to keep myself calm until I heard it come around the side of the cabin and I could tell this thing was on two feet and I heard step on the bottom of the deck and the step had the steps went up. There was five steps and you'd reached the top of the deck. I heard step and you heard the wood and I'm just sitting there shaking. I'm like, oh, I'm like, what is this? What's going on in my dreaming? But no, I was one hundred percent awake, and my heart was pounding through my chest and I could hear just these really deep breathing and it was just almost like a grunting. It was just something like I have never heard of in my life. And I'm sitting there and I'm freaking out and I hear this thing take another step and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's going to the door. And I heard another step and then I could hear this breathing and this grunt thing still, because it was only like ten to fifteen feet from the edge of the deck to the front of the door, and I had sat up a little bit and I'm like, please don't come through the door, Please don't come through the door. And I don't know if I really should be saying this, but anytime I went up to the cabinet, you're in the middle of nowhere. So my uncle would always give me a little side arm, and he would always carry a side and because God forbid, you don't know if you run into something you're in the middle of nowhere.

10:56 I could go out to pee and there could be a mountainine outside, just out of context. So I hear this thing at the door, and I just hear it sounded like it grabbed the door handle and it just jiggled a little bit. So I laid up and I had this side arm on my chest and I was sitting there. I'm like, please, don't come through the door. I don't We're gonna die if this thing comes through the door. I'm hyperventilating. I hear the door jingle and then it stopped, and I just heard like a snacked like I jumped off the other side of the deck and I just heard it pacing off into the woods. And at that time, I had noticed that my uncle had woken up and he came running down the hallway. So I don't know if he had started this thing when he came flying down the hallway, or if it was just curious and just wanted. We only went up there for a week in the summer, in two weeks during hunting season, so I honestly don't know what was going on.

11:52 And we woke up that next morning and again, but this time we were able to see a footstep and then it was like five to six foot stride into another footstep and then off the other side of the deck. We were able to get three footsteps to where it jumped off the other side of the deck. You could see where it hit the ground with one foot, another foot, and then straight into the woods. And I just that really still eats at me to this day. I still sometimes if it clicks in my mind at night, I still trouble trying to sleep. And then this is hard some of us is heard to talk about. And then the following night, me and my uncle decided to stay up. We decided to stay up till one or two o'clock in the morning, I can't remember, and we sat on that deck and he had his AR fifteen and we just waited because it freaked him out just as bad as it freaked me out, I think. And then that that trip up to the cabin we cut short.

12:48 We only wanted up staying for three days, and my uncle doesn't. He wouldn't even talk about a lot of this stuff to this day. I don't know if it freaked him out that bad, but it took me a lot of conveying. We went up there one more time, and this was the last time that we ever went up there. Me. I don't know if he's ever been back up there. I know my grandparents are trying to sell the property, and they've been trying to sell it for years now. So the third time, which was the last time we went up there, which was the following year, it just like everything. I don't know if we pissed this thing off bike going up there. I don't know if they're migrate through this area at this time of year, but this time everything just went absolutely like bonkers off the wall. So there's a long driveway to get up to where the cabin is, and in the middle of the road, and I wish I still, like I said, I had these pictures, I might be able to get him and email him to you. There was a tree branch broken off, snapped off a perfectly healthy tree, and this branch was really wide, and it was placed right in the middle of the driveway to go up to the cabin and my uncle looked at me when we saw that, and I was just it's like, we're already here. It's an hour and twenty minute driving the house. We both enjoy going up here.

14:05 Other than the stuff that happens, we used to have good time going up there. I said, let's just try to stay a couple of days of things. If we get freaked out, we'll just go home. And he's like, all right, that's a good idea. So we moved this tree ranch out of the road just instantly when we got up to the cab, and I just got this feeling that something or something is just there and I can't express this feeling, and I didn't want to say anything to him, and we got everything packed in the house and we decided to all right, we'll stay the night. So the first night we just did our normal thing. We went outside, we cooked dinner, nothing happened and nothing hitting the house or anything crazy, and so the first night we kept everything pretty calm.

14:50 The second night, same thing. We just went hiking and we hung out around the cab and we made a bunch of noise, cooked food, hung out, nothing too easy. And then the third night we were sitting outside on the deck and it was probably eleven twelve o'clock at night, and I just got this boneheaded idea. I'm like, we came up here to go bigfoot hunting, and we both enjoyed being up here. I said, I'm just gonna do a whoop. I said, I just want to see if anything's around. So I whooped, and then I whooped again, and then I waited another thirty seconds and I whooped and we both sat down and I was like, you really think that's gonna work, And I said, screw it. I said, we're let's just see because we were I'm just I'm addicted to being a big foot nut. And about twenty minutes later, we heard a would knock and it was off in the distance. It wasn't nothing like super close, and I looked at him me he looked at me, and I was just like, okay. So I whooped again. And then ten seconds later you heard a whoop, but it was off to our right and the wood knock it came from the left, and he looked at me, and I was just like, okay, whatever, So I whooped again. But I whooped three times again this time, and then this thing imitated because I paused three to four seconds in between my whoops. It whooped again, but it whooped the same whoop I did, and then I was just like, okay. And then this time I decided I watched a lot of funding bigfoot. Like I said, but you know how Bobo does this bigfoot call. I'm like, I'm gonna do bigfoot call. I just want

16:22 to see, so I let out and it will probably it probably sounded funny, but I let out what I could to be the best bigfoot call I could. And then I don't know if I take this thing off by trying to imitate it, and it didn't sound right. But in thirty seconds I this screamed to Howell. Still just sit here, and it haunts me. I'm so scared because I'm an avid hunter to be out in the middle of the woods and hear this noise again. It almost sounded like the Ohio Howell. I've heard it a couple times on your show. I've done research to try to figure out what it sounded like. But it was just like it freaked me out. It was just like nothing in the woods should make that kind of a noise. And I'd been hunting in West Virginia and Virginia pretty much since I was eight years old with my uncle and my grandpa and my dad, and it's just nothing in the woods that lives here should make a noise like that. And I was just like, holy crap. And then the rest of that night we would hear whoops and stuff back and forth.

17:30 And I don't, like I said, I don't know if we just pissed everything off in the woods that night, but it was crazy. He used to have it was crappy audio because it was two thousand and fifteen on his phone, but we used to have audio to where you can almost hear these like you could hear it faintly, and it was just absolutely insane. And I wish I could had a way to imitate these noises, but it's just not natural. It was just it still freaked me out to even think about something in the woods that can make noises like this. And so we had went back in the cabin that night, and we woke up pretty early in the morning as we were deciding if we wanted to stay. Just sounded like we pissed everything off, and we were up for a good twenty thirty minutes, and we started packing everything up and we were just sitting down for a minute, and all of a sudden, it was just like something ran up to the side of the house the cabin and slapped it and like it vibrated, and we both looked at each other, and he jumped up with the gun and he ran around the house that there was nothing there, but he had a picture where you could see this. It was like almost like an oily handprint hammed on the side of this house. And I mean, I'm getting chills even talking about this, and it was just absolutely insane. And then at that moment we heat. When he came back in the house, he said, we gotta go. He's all going, and he took a picture of that hamprint. But ever since those things happened up at the cabin,

19:03 I haven't been back, and I refuse to go back. And my biggest goal was I wanted to find Bigfoot, but I want to leave it alone. I wanted to if he's up in that cabin in West Virginia, I just want him to live happy. I don't want to piss him off. And quite frankly, I don't know if I even want to truly experience all of that again, because it still messes with me sometimes to this day. And when we were leaving the cabin that morning, my uncle swears up and down, and I believe him because he's never lied to me in my entire life that he saw something seven to eight feet tall in black, just tucked back in the side of the woods, just peeking around a tree.

19:48 Now I didn't see it, but it was just the events that happened up there is just still freaking me out. So I had a few questions. It's really interesting, and thank you for sharing what you went through during those summers. I was interested what particular calls you were call blasting. So there was a finding Bigfoot app that used to be on the app store, or it would have the Ohio Howell, it would have Bobo's Call, it would have had a whole bunch of different things where you could hook your phone up to the speaker and just blast off of that. Oh really, I had no idea. That's awesome because this gets cabin your nearest neighbors four or five miles away. It was literally in the middle of nowhere, okay, and you had no phone service and you had to it was only landline only.

20:37 That kind of leads into my next question, which is can you share anything about what area of West Virginia this cabin trailer is in, So if people know West Virginia, it's in between warden It's pretty close to Wardensville, West Virginia. It's just on the outskirts to where you almost go down Corridor each and the moorfield was Virginia, but it's tucked way back. You can only get up there at the four wheel drive vehicles. I don't know what made my grandparents buy this cabin. They bought it thinking maybe like a family summer house, but you can't get up there with the car. It's in Hardy County. They'll probably be a listener that will know about Wardensville. It looks like it's a very small town, about two hundred and sixty five people.

21:25 You go out of the town to Wardensville a little bit and then you hook a right, I mean you just drive forever. Your grandparents own the cabin trailer, correct, Yeah, did you ever talk to them or ask them about bigfoot activity on the property. No, but my I probably it probably wouldn't be a bad idea. So my grandma She's from a small town in g Lady, West Virginia, and she always told me because my great grandpa always told her that you don't want to mess with things that come out in the night in the mountains because they're very hardcore. She grew up in the middle of nowhere, and my grandfather was a coal miner. My great grandfather was a coal miner and lived in a town of seventy five people, and he would always want all the grandkids, the great grandkids, and the grandkids in at night. He did not like us out at night on his property.

22:15 And my grandma was the same way. I don't I could ask her if you want me too, and I could always email you what she says. Oh, will you know their stories? Will you got to ask for me? That would be amazing. Yeah, I'm sure they ran into stuff on that property. Yeah, because my grandparents have run up there. Like I said, we all stopped going up there. I refuse, I will not go back up there. You could give me a hank, and I won't go back up there. So nobody goes up anymore. No. I don't know if my grandfather's been up there recently, but I refused to okay. Yeah, you got to reach out talk to your grandparents. I always get to talk to them if you can. But yeah, to talk to them and ask if they're there's anything weird that ever happened at the property.

23:03 And it might be a thing where you might have to word it a certain way too, although they'll know what you're talking about. They would have to know if you say bigfoot or things like that. But yeah, they might come back with it. We had some big monkey type things running around. Honestly, wouldn't be surprised. Man, that's wild. You say, you say you haven't talked to your uncle lately. Yeah, we didn't even have him probably talked, okay, but he may potentially have audio and photos from one of the summers or times up there. Yeah, okay, I'll reach out to him. There's just no guarantee. He oh yeah, no, probably if you don't mind reaching out, that would be amazing. There's going to be at least one person that's going to be thinking this because you mentioned you're going to try to sell the property. Yeah, properties for six acres.

24:00 Oh that's why right near right here. I don't remember the name of the National Force that runs through there. I know there's one big force that should run through. I'll get the address for you too from my grandparents and you can Google map that. It is literally in the middle of nowhere. It feels like there's it feels like there's more history to that area too. I think when you start digging a little bit, you will probably you'll probably find something else. I think that's wild. You mentioned that your uncle had an AR fifteen. Yeah, we both always carried two AR fifteens and two pistols. Weren't out there, Okay, so you were ready to go.

24:41 Yeah. I always had this anticipation like I see this thing, I'm gonna shoot this thing. But you know what, I'm good after the next thing that we talk about, I'm good. You know what. I don't know what kind of caliper bullet would stop something like this. It's just it's crazy. Any weird smells at any time when you were up in that cabin area, oh yeah, you would always get like, I mean, I know what a bear smells like, and it was just like it smelled like a dead carcass mixed with a wet bear. It was just this funky, weird, nasty smell. And it all the time. Right, okay, gotcha.

25:26 Any sounds that were at a place that didn't scream like Bigfoot, but you heard it and you were like, that's really weird. That doesn't really belong out here. I've heard whistles before, and almost like a tongue clacking noise almost. It's it's hard to like a popping noise almost. Any sounds that would make you think, is there someone else here? Sorry? Are there other people here? No? I knew for a fact something happened and you were in the woods you were, it'd be a very hairy situation, like you could potentially not make it out of there. I mean, I know for a fact there was nobody up there. How close would you say the closest neighbor is to this area. It's a long way away. I probably a good ten minute drive down the road, fifteen minute drive to the cabin. I'm not really sure how you kept going back after some of this stuff. Man, it's just like I want to see it kind of curiosity.

26:26 And after that last thing, I was just like, dope, I'm good. Oh the oily handprint on the side of the trailer. Was it a certain color at all? It was got I don't know how to like almost like a carmel color, like a caramel like I really like caramel color almost. But I also could have been because the side of the house was dirty or something. I only saw it off the picture because like my uncle really just wanted to go like he was done. And my uncle's a big dude. He's six foot one, he's got big hands, and this thing made his hand look small. It shook the side of it, and he was just like, nope, we're done. What kind of food were you cooking out on the campfire? Just bring like for like hamburger meat and hot dogs and sausage patties and bacon, okay, gosh, anything. So I'm just going to say some really weird sounds just for fun. Nothing that sounded like a baby crying, no okay, and random like metallic door opening anything like that. No, okay, cool good. But yeah, sometimes you almost hear and I don't want to say it like this, but it was like somebody trying who doesn't speak fluent English. It almost sounded like they were trying to say my name or my uncle's name. We've heard that a time or two and it just didn't really make sense. You're just jogging things back

28:00 in my memory, asking questions, and it was just weird. That's really unsettling because it's almost like something could be hearing your uncle say your name, or you say your uncle's name, and then it's trying to mimic it, right. Yeah, dude, that's wild because I know that in West Virginia there's a lot of stories of things mimicking trying to lure you out in the woods. West Virginia is a high place when you would hear those what sounded like your name, Would you hear other sounds at the same time or in close proximity to that, I don't know. It very well could have been, but I don't know if I was just so ficiated on hearing my name being called. Yeah, but I really just focused on that. So that happened in the morning when I would like, I get up to go outside the pee, and then I knew my uncle was sleeping, and then like off this well, I could look straight into the woods and it sounded like it was coming from right in front of me. Almost wow. So you heard it in the morning. Were there any other times a day that you would hear that as well? No, it was only if I went outside in the morning by myself, and my uncle heard the exact same thing, Like whoever woke up first would go outside and hear something like that. That's really freaky, dude, That's probably one of the weirdest things I've heard on the show. To be honest, not a huge fan of that one, but it was creepy. Did that happen many times over the years or was

29:30 it only during a certain travel time that you went up there that happened. We would go up there for hunting season in November and nothing. It was only when we went towards the end of June. But we didn't stay it overnight. We would just wake up and go in the morning and then come back in the afternoon. But I don't know if it's because we were there such a short time, but I did notice too a lot, like the deer population just completely dwindled down, because if they've had that cabin. We've been going up there since I was like eight an ego wes see twenty thirty deer, and like towards the last couple of times it went and hung you wouldn't see anything which was not like that at all. Okay, I was just gonna ask that how the animals were around that area. Sounds like there used to be a good amount any water sources. Yeah, there was a creek that ran through the property, and I know when you first turned on the road and you would start driving down, there was somebody's house and he dug a huge like lake out and he stocked it full of fish. But that was probably two three miles from the cabin. But that's still water and fish. I'd love to talk to that guy to see what happened when he started digging up his property. There was a cave. Once you went up the mountain down the backside, there was a cave that used to that was sitting back there. But I never went up there. My uncle always told me there was a cave on the backside of the property. Okay, man, oh there's oh yeah, I'm getting I'm getting the vibes about that area

31:02 for sure. Oh, Will, that's crazy stuff. You're saying. You experienced some things in Virginia as well. It was this one time. So my fiance's family, they live close to the George Washington National Forest, and they live in the middle, literally in the middle of nowhere. So I was leaving their house one night and it was dark, it was probably eight or nine o'clock and going down this road, it's called Worndoff's Trout Farm. Anybody in this area would probably know it. And it's this guy. He stocks this huge pond full of trout. Family you go fishing and whatnot. And I just start driving past the trout farm and I come around the road and my headlights hit two eyes standing in the middle of this field, and I was just like what And it was like nine feet off the ground.

31:53 So I hit it with my high beams, and honestly, I wish I didn't hit it with my high beams because I literally saw eyes, a whole face, body definition hair. I could draw this thing to a tee and it just I couldn't even pull my phone out to take a picture because I was just something in my brains. Don't need to leave, you need to leave, stop looking go and I just I shut my high beatings off. I looked at this thing probably for a good tens fifteen seconds, and I'd took off. I was people are like, how can you not take a picture of it? And I promise you if you truly see this thing and watch it breathing. It's scaring. We were eyed. It felt like it was looking into my soul. You don't think, you just don't think.

32:42 And I could draw it to a tee and I can give you such a vivid description, and it was just utterly terrifying. Like maybe if I had my side on on me, I maybe would have gotten out and tried to take my phone out and take a good picture of it, or maybe pull my phone up. But I was so freaked out. I just felt like in that situation, I did not want to die. It just freaked me out, Like this thing could literally rip my car door off, pull me off, and on it snacks me. At that point, you're looking face to face at the creature fifteen seconds. Did it then walk away or you kept driving or how did that end? I peeled off, like I completely stopped in the road and I was looking at this thing and it made a move like it gesture to start, like I don't know if it was gonna start walking towards me or walking towards the woods, but I just slammed my foot on the gas and I took off, like it just freaked me out, and it was only like twenty maybe thirty yards away from the car, maybe thirty yards, and it just I always said, huh, I want to get the best picture, the best proof, and not until you're in a situation like that, everything just changes in your brain. Was this something you were able to bring up to your fiance and your fiance to his family.

34:00 No, her dad thinks I'm absolutely crazy that Bigfoot doesn't exist. And she is a huge Bigfoot believer, but she just can't hear about it like me seeing it, I guess versus. We watched Expedition Bigfoot on TV together. So I just don't know if she doesn't want to believe it's as close to home as she wants to think it is, or I don't know. Oh, so you start talking to her about how I actually saw one, and she's I don't even want to Yeah, I believe you. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to be scared to drive a night for my parents. I also got it. You said this was near Borne Darf's Rainbow Trout Farm. Yeah, trout farm. Did you ever go and talk to them about it at all? No? I probably shouldn't, And I just I'm just so scared people are going to look at me and be like, what is wrong with you? I think I'm like crazy, It's just crazy, this thing. It's better my brain. I've had nightmares about this thing just chasing me down. Do you mind if I ask a few questions about Okay, were you able to see a color of if there's any hair on it at all? Dark brown to black? It being at night, it was just very I would say very dark brown. Gotcha short or long hair? It was like if you hold your arms out, the hair came down like three or four inches, but around like parts of its face,

35:32 it had no hair on it. Okay, what parts of the face did it not have hair around? So it looked like somebody who had really long hair in the face. But I could see its eyebrows and its forehead didn't have any hair around the top of its forehead, and then just a little bit below its eyes, like its cheap bone. But the biggest thing that stuck out is how wide this thing's mouth was, Like it looks like it could eat an entire watermelon in one bite. It's almost like the joker smile. That's very interesting. Did it have its mouth open it all or could you see the teeth. I don't want to say it like they almost had the demonic smile to its face where I could just see a little bit of teeth, but it was like almost like it was smiling, and it was just it was just so craepy. It's so hard to explain. It was just like it's the way it looked at me with its eyes, and like once I hit it with the high beams, then its mouth opened up a little bit and I was just like what, Like I was just so blown away, Like it's crazy. What did it seem to be conveying with its eyes When I was looking at you? It almost felt like it wanted me to get out of the car. Do you know why it would have or did you get any feeling as to why. I don't know. It was just like part of me. This thing was like looking at me in a way come out of the car, and then nobody's ever going to see you again. It was just that's horrifying. It was, Yeah, it was just wild. Can you describe the nose shape? It looked like its

37:07 nose was pushed in a little bit, but it was like it had like a wider nostril base and It was almost like it was like a flat It looked like almost like a person's nose, but pushed back a little bit and almost flatter to its face with wider nostrils. You're looking at the nose and then you have the lips underneath. What is there a lot of space between the lips and the nose or it had a lot Maybe it was like more of a rounded, coming down face and everything was just a little bit more space to part than looking at a human's face. Sure, Oh, were you able to see ears at all on the head? No? Okay? Was the hair covering them up? Or yeah? I would think so, okay, we're able to see like a certain shape to the head at all.

37:52 It was almost it almost looked like it came up, not like almost like a pin on the top of its head, but like its head came up and it was just like a little bit like pointy at the top. I don't want to I don't know how to explain it. Were you able to tell anything else about the creature muscular or pfinition wise underneath the hair it looked like I don't know, if you know who Eddie Hall is, the bodybuilder, it looked it was huge. This thing was massive. The weird part was is so I looked at the whole body, and its knees looked like they sit farther down than our knees. It was just it had very long It was this thing was insane. It was huge. It was like looking at a nine foot tall like five foot wide, like bodybuilder. It was huge. Were you able to see the hands or arms at all?

38:49 Did you notice anything about them? The hands, So, when you looked at the hands, it looked like the center of its hand had hair, but towards the end of the fingers, it had no hair, but it had these insanely long fingers like it's hands with everything was just like It's just it was just crazy. Everything was so much more more like proportionate. Gotcha, how would you describe the arms? The arms were long, but they weren't like I know, I hear a lot of people say like its hands were down to it's knees. They were close, but it wasn't like like crazy long arms. But the arms were very long and very it was just like very tone like jack looking arms like they were massive. Would you say anything that made you think you're looking at like a male or a female or an adult or a juvenile or anything like that. Honestly, I want to say I was looking at a male just by the pure just size and like how I felt aggression coming off of this thing. Were you able to see the feet, No, it was almost it was pretty much from like the knees up. Okay, you said you had peeled out at any time.

40:01 Did you get to see the creature walking around or moving around? No? I just saw it make that one gesture right. I didn't know if it was coming forward or going to its right, and I was just I didn't want to be there anymore. Yeah, I don't blame you. If you had to categorize what it looked like, say it looked more like a human or an ape, or if you could put it into any category like that. Could you put it into a certain category, it'd say it looked like sixty to seventy percent, eight and thirty percent. Even its hands looked like hours. Its face structure is like hours. But everything is just other than its lips being its mouth being so wide, and its eyes were a lot bigger. I will never be able to forget its eyes. It was just like it's almost like you take two eggs and put it on a face, and the color of the eyes it was like a reddish greenish tint to the eyes, which I could have red eyes, and then my high beams reflecting off its eyes made it look like that, but it had tint of red in its eyes. You said it reminded you of an ape in some ways, any particular ape or just the broad category of ape. I can't remember what it was called, but doctor Jeff Malgrim talks about them all the time, the great, the giant ape. It was all. It reminds me a lot of that. But it just looking at it and it didn't talk to me in my brain though it had some higher form of intelligence by just

41:36 looking at it and gauging what's each other's next motion going to be. I felt like it planned out how I planned out. If this happens, I'm going to do this, but if this happens, I'm going to do that, almost like it was playing a weird game of chess with you. As this sounds like, yeah, it was like it was trying to plot my move while I was trying to plot its move, which is just terrifying because nothing in the world should be like that smart in my opinion. Right, Did you drive back to the same area ever to take a look at it? Yeah? So I actually have gotten my buddy who I used to work with involved, and he was about six' four and he's a bigfoot guy, and I had him go stand in that exact same spot and I flipped, I turned the car around and drove down the road and he was just nothing size wise compared to this thing. It took me a good two weeks to go back to her parents' house because I just was like, I don't want to see this thing again. What happens if it's standing in the middle of the road when I leave this time? Not a thing that you want to have around your fiance's place. No, And I go. Her dad has one hundred acres and the property at George Washington National Force is maybe half a mile from where I saw this, Maybe because her parents property bucks up to the National Force. It is not surprising. I know it's a very large forest, raight. Yeah. I've talked to a few people about things they've encountered in somewhere around that forest. They had to be a little vague,

43:09 but I'm not surprised at all that you had that sighting. Your fiance's father is not into bigfoot at all. Have you ever asked him if he's experienced anything out of the ordinary while hunting? Though? See, that's what I was gonna say. I think he has. He's too scared to talk about it. Because this man literally grew up in the hill in the mountains of Pennsylvania and hunted his entire life, and all of a sudden, he doesn't like hunting by himself. He will not go back on, but he will not hunt by himself. I won't hunt by myself. But he won't say why he don't go hunting by himself anymore? No, he won't.

43:52 It's just he just doesn't. He refuses to. It seems like, yeah, something there, dude, So he won't talk about it. He's too much of a macho type of a guy to talk about it. Hopefully someday, maybe give him a few years. Who knows. Will You have experienced some really interesting things, And I don't think that your story is over, even though you might want it to be over. Regarding it, sounds like you're not really wanting to have any more bigfoot encounters. I don't know, is that true or I would love to experience it again, but in a different type of a situation. I wouldn't mind seeing a bigfoot again in person.

44:37 It would just I don't want to be in my car driving at night. If I want to see this thing. I want to see this thing with a gun, because if you can plot out my next move to where I'm going to try to turn and run away and you're gonna chase me, I at least want to have a fighting chance. But I don't even know if a two, two, three or five five six bullets it might just laugh. I don't I don't know how powerful this thing is, and I just want to have a fighting chance, gotcha. So that's for protection more than trying to get a specimen. It sounds like, yeah, I don't After seeing this thing's face, I don't think I could pull the trigger. But if it's so little side note, I used to be a deputy sheriff, so in my brain I'm wired. If it's ne or you, it's me going home. So I'd like to see this thing peacefully. But if it's gonna attack me, I'm at least gonna try like heck to make it home. That's a big side note. Yeah, I'm sorry I should earlier.

45:37 I guess I should have asked the deputy's sheriff. Part was that when did that take place? So I was a deputy shriff from twenty one to twenty twenty two. Okay, so that was taking place during some of your Bigfoot interactions. Yeah, which I actually talked to a lot of the guys I worked with and I have some if you ever want to do part two, I have some other crazy story whereas I could tell you from those guys oh really big with the skin walker to UFOs, I've talked to them all and they're all pretty open about it. This is like West Virginia sheriff, this Rockingham County, Virginia. Oh yeah, we're definitely setting that up here for another hour. Yeah, oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, let's see what we will definitely set that up because that sounds like it could be very interesting for sure. And actually that goes for all listeners. If you used to be law enforcement and you have info about stuff that your department used to deal with that sounds like that, contact me Big Society gmail dot com.

46:45 But will this has been a very interesting chat. I'll be interested to see if you come up with any more information after you contact your grandparents and that about the cabin area, but any closing thoughts before we head out for the night, or if anybody wants to reach out to me, they can find me on Facebook. My name is William Franzosa fr A and ZSA and I'd be more than welcome to hearing your stories, to helping you out, or if you just want to talk about it and don't want to share it on the air like this because I know it's a lot and just need to get it off your chest. I'm available to talk. That's great and the cool thing about will is that he has that he's had those that face to face interaction. He will definitely be able to relate in different ways for sure, as I have yet to have that. Well, it's good to talk to you and it's been a little bit of time coming for us to chat, but I'm glad we were finally able to chat. Thank you so much for coming on tonight. Definitely thank you. You're a big for Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot you share their encounter in a safe environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Soociety at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I

48:16 know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening