April 3, 2025

Unexpected Visitors! | Washington

Join host Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society as he welcomes back Ben Freed from Bigfoot Ops based near Mount Rainier, Ashford, Washington. In this riveting episode, Ben shares more about his 15-year experience and encounters with Bigfoot,...

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Season 1

Join host Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society as he welcomes back Ben Freed from Bigfoot Ops based near Mount Rainier, Ashford, Washington. In this riveting episode, Ben shares more about his 15-year experience and encounters with Bigfoot, shedding light on interactions with the Department of Natural Resources, mysterious infrasound phenomena, and even defensive reactions from the elusive creatures. The discussion delves into the sophistication of Bigfoot's behavior, their vocalizations, and unexpected close encounters that have left a lasting impact on witnesses. From experiencing eerie silences to hearing mimicked animal sounds, Ben offers a comprehensive insight into the challenges and intrigues faced by Bigfoot researchers. Don't miss the captivating stories and essential tips for anyone venturing out into Bigfoot territory.

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slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege

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of having mister Benfreed back on the show from Bigfoot

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Ops out there in the great state of Washington, kind

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of close to the Mount Rainier area, a little bit

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to the west there. But welcome back to the show. Ben.

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How's it going great?

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Great? Thanks for having me back on again. If we

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can make this interesting for.

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You, absolutely, I mean the first first episode was why

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I loved it. It was it was wild. I thoroughly

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enjoyed editing it because it was such so so interesting.

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I'll say that. But you know, Ben, I'm going to

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ask you some stuff right off the bat here, just

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so I make sure I get it in your area

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which is Ashford, Washington. Correct.

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Yes, Yes, it's just outside the city of Ashford, gotcha.

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And it's in the area of Mount Rainier as well. Uh.

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Have you ever had any experiences with interactions with with

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rangers or law enforcement regarding bigfoot in that area?

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Uh? Quite often. At dn R, actually, not so much

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rangers because we're not in the park. We're just we're

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just basically west and I would say more southwest of

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the park. But DNR, which is the Department Natural Resources, Yes,

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they have law enforcement out there and just recently, matter

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of fact, ran into them just the other within the

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last few days, because they go out there quite a lot.

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But the interesting encounters with them is they don't want

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to say too much because they ask you a lot

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of questions and everything, and I've never been able to

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get them to really I mean, when they see us,

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they always talk about our research out there, and they

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want to talk about it. They get interested, but they

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really don't say too much on their side.

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They're holding the cards close to them to seeing perhaps

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maybe they're even how far are these guys? How close

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are these guys getting? You know, are they there yet?

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I don't know. It's a lot of conjecture there, but.

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Yeah, we've had seven We've had unexplained things happen. Like

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we were an area we were doing some testing on.

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We were feeding feeding them just to see what kind

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of stuff that they would take and what they would eat.

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We actually talked to the D and R offs about

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it and he was asking us about it, so we

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told him and we showed him where it was at

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and everything to the ass and approximately I think it

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was about a week and a half later, that area

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was logged out and they had brought a bunch of

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dirt in and completely covered that area from they were

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working on the bridge. They're putting the bridge back and

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we're trying to figure out why they would put dirt.

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It's almost like two miles away dumped the dirt in

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that particular spot, which was strange. We thought, we thought

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it was strange. So and so and seven out of

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the seven area sites we have, they've logged five of

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them and closed off those areas. So we're pretty much

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tight lift about what we're doing with them. Now, we

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don't say too much completely it could be completely coincidence,

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so they'll get me wrong. All of a sudden, you

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see these flags pop up in the areas are getting

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logged out. It doesn't change the bigfoot activity. Actually, it

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just means it just makes it more difficult because they

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like to have cover and stuff like that, so it

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just makes it they're coming from a different way or whatever.

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Yeah, that's it. That's extremely interesting. I mean, as as

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you mentioned, after experiencing the potential of what that meant,

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I might be a little careful who I talked to

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as well. So even stating that it's is, I'm, you know,

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realizing how much of a privilege it is to have

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you on this program sharing about what you've experienced over

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the last it was fifteen years, correct, Yeah.

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It'll be fifteen years actually in June.

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So now, when I was editing our last episode, there

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was a that you had I believe mentioned at the end,

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and I want to make sure that we definitely talk

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about it. But you had mentioned that you've had some

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really interesting experiences regarding infrasound.

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I actually have equipment to tests that for that out

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there to the in for twenty I think I should

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send a picture that also it monitors infra sound. Now

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you can't on research wise, you can't go by whether weather, water,

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wind can affect the different sound weights, and you can

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get pick up infestund that way also, so and even

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we're also night next to a volcano. So but at

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the time you have to relate it to any activity

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having going on with the big twit or whatever. Sometimes

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the areas are like strangely quiet, I would say, and

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we'll get infrasound out there, partial parts of it like

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letting heard or sometimes you can get dangerous levels too,

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which is around seven seven herds. So and they're just sporadic,

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they're not continuous, but you could have you know, like

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a earthquakes, and we don't texts everything, so unfortunately you

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have to be really careful on your findings. You can't

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just say everything's a big foot out there. There's a

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lot of environment involved in.

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That absolutely, And I think that's why I enjoy talking

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to an individual like yourself, because it's almost like you

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at times are you know, you're you're very aware of

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what it means to say yeah, this was probably bigfoot

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related and you seem to be very aware of what

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you guys are experiencing out there, but not not a

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Bigfoot on the brain type situation. But you just mentioned

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there are certain levels that you look for regarding in

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for sound with this device. Can you talk a little

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bit more about that.

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Well, well, look, anything blow nineteen hertz is infrasound, so sound.

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We use it also to study their vocalizations and stuff

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like that, and some of their vocalizations, like the ones

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I think we went earlier on Thewers show with checks

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recordings had infrasound in the female vocal responses. They'll pick

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it up on that, so we know there's in some

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of their vocalizations they do infrasound as they're calling back

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or whatever. We can't, you know, we can't just say

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that's part of part of the thing that I'm just

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noting that in their vocalizations they do have some kind

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of infersound in some of their vocalization. Not all the

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vocalizations have that, but some of the some of thos do.

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That's interesting when you listen to a vocalization recording like

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that that includes it, is it a potential to have

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this same effects from listening to that recording as opposed

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to listening to it live.

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Well infrasound. The thing is is that it affects people differently,

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like the feeling of dread and stuff people get when

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you get that ear feeling in the force itself, because

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Yankees notorious for that, where it's really extremely more than quiet.

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I mean it's just dead quiet, nothing going on, and

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it just gets that eary feeling and everything. And when

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you pull out your handhelds, you'll sit there and have

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normal readings, and all of a sudden you'll start getting

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these partial infrasound or you're running the other monitor. We

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have both. We have handhelds and that, but you partially

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get some things where it'll show eleven herbs and everything,

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and it's different hurts. It can affect people differently. You

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can make you physically sick, give you headaches, you can

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start seeing things, hearing things. I like to say, we

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actually had research other where you thinks you were minds

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speaking with him and I just kind of like roll

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my eyes. But I've never experienced that in anybody else

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out there has and just been taking the beds and

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he just leaves in the mind speaking thing. So, but

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I believe that's the cause of that, because when he

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was actually seeing he thought this was going on. I

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actually got readings of eleven hurts out there, which was

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an infra sound and there's nothing. There was no planes

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going over at the time or any kind of wind

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or anything going on. So I assume that might maybe

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that way. It could be. He's a very intelligent person.

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I'm just no one to think that he's crazy, you know, sure,

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but I tell him, you know, I'm not experiencing anything

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out there on that particular level.

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Okay, I think you'd mentioned as well that there's a

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level that could be considered dangerous.

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Seven hurts. Can you a long time exposure? Can it can?

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It causes disruption of the organs in your body. Now

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people can look this up to see the things I'm

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talking about, but it's a resonating frequency is to actually

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pressure wave. But it can be disrupt your internal organs.

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It could give me a heart attack or you know.

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I don't know what the other causes could do beyond

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app physical league, but that is one of them. I

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do know my personal experience, and I'll tell you where

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I related to where I got interested in the imperson

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the first service because at an incident where I was

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with my wife down Charlie, I was taking a nap

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in the back of my RV and I was waiting

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for it to get dark. And this was later in

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the evening and she had heard something out there rustling

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around behind a big stump out there. She said, there's

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something out there. People come looking back up. So I

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kind of like jumped off the back of the RV,

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took about two steps, and actually before I even actually

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hit the ground, I was already projectile vomiting. I mean

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it was it was ruthless. I mean, I couldn't stop,

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you know, heaving. It was just like, oh, you know.

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I threw my hands up in the air and they

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called basically back in RV and I said it in

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there for the next twelve hours dry heating, and it

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was just a terrible experience. It was like death worn

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rover from that that experience. And it lasted for twelve hours,

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like I said, And the next morning I was fine,

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no physical, you know, lasting thing from it or whatever.

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I didn't have a headache or anything. It was just

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being sick. And then actually I went back into but

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the next weekend I went back out about a quarter

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mile away from that site, and actually, as I was

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doing some recording some some vocalizations which were Aluman came

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across the road from me. It hit me again. And

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there's no you don't feel it coming. You don't feel

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any like you don't people talking about the game as

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and like electric. It doesn't hit you. You just don't know.

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It just hits you. You just start I just start heaving.

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And that lasted for about four hours, and it did

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the same thing to me. It just basically incapacitated for

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you can't do anything.

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That sounds extremely well, very extreme.

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Extremely uncomfortable. Yeah, it's a defencing mechanism. Like I said,

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I tried to jump when I we noticed that the

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second time. I don't know exactly what triggered that because

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I was just standing there with my recording equipment and

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they were actually across the road from me, which is

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probably a ten foot wide the road and earned some

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brush right there, and I was getting you some mutilizations

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out of there. Now, I don't know what triggered that.

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I'd been there for a while, but definitely the first

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time I jumped and I was heading in that direction

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where my wife had heard the sound and it was

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not probably fifty feet away, and I believe I had

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my phone in my hand at the time or to

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take pictures or get pictures of it, or my gun.

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I can't remember because I was so missed up afterwards.

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But anyway, that was definitely I was running towards a

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creature and I got basically that's what I got from that,

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and it stopped me dead in my tracks. But it

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was just sally unique because I didn't feel intigling, didn't

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feel anything. I was, just, like I said, literally in

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miday or jumping off my back of my RV. And

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I was not sick. I was I've never been that

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sick of my life, actually, and twice within a week

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that happened. But I've never been that sick. But I

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had no indications of anything. I was completely fine. I

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hadn't even eaten yet, so there was no reason to

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be sick. But I didn't. It's not like a true

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symptoms if it was just checked albomitting. So terrible experience,

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but that's that's a defensive response. I believe that the

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adults have and like I said, affects people different ways.

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And then I don't think I've talked that off to

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was infra sound. That would the only think it would

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be possibly you know where it could possibly be.

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Has that kind of thing also happened to other members

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of your team as well.

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No, Unfortunately they don't get out of nothing to do

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like I do. They a lot of them do. They're

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recording things. I'm more scouting and getting out and I

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was out there a lot more, staying overnight for days

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at a time. So I'm out there with my wife

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or just me sometimes and that's when I get affected more.

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They've done more stuff to me than my groups were

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always grouped up. We've had a few encounters, you know.

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And I don't know if I discussed about Delta where

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we walked up we were calling them out there. I

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don't remember that big.

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For a society who will be right back after these messages.

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But anyway, they as we come back from that night,

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we figured they were out there. We couldn't understand why

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we weren't get any calls back and everything. And as

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we walked through the road, the thing actually, uh, make

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a bunch of noise off to my right as we're

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walking up the road in this pitch black out there

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and it shook the tree. And that's definitely an adult response,

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because adults always seemed to let you know they're there.

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The juvenals don't make any sounds. Usually, they're pretty quiet

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most night. You might they knock sometimes and found them

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rocks or you know, rock clock or something, but other

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than that, they don't do too much in response.

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And as the vocals, I don't believe that we we

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talked about that. That is extremely.

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Yeah, because there was actually two. There was one behind

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us too. As it's as I was actually I was

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second behind Chuck. He was in the lead. But I

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had heard something off to my right, you know, like

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a little bit of brush movement, So I knew something

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was there, but it was dark as were walking back

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and kind of caught check off guard. But it went

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he shook the tree. I mean it literally shook the tree.

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He thought, damn, you know, the tree just exploded out there.

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It was just shaking it, and like I said, check

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off guard, so he pulled his gun. It was you know,

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it's scared. There's just a reaction for him. But anyway,

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as it did it, you could actually hear it take

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two steps and stop, which is unusual for him. Normally

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we hear them they just run away. It sounds like

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a big heavy guy at darg out. Just they just

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tear off. And you hear this wie pedal feet running

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off this into two steps and just stood there. And

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I didn't even actually know what to do because it

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kind of caught me off guard because I had just

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turned off my thermal camera. I was gonna stand it,

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and I said, I really didn't want to pop that

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thing back up there and turn it on. And I says, hmm.

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But when we heard the branch break behind us on

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the other part of the road, we thought, oh, okay,

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they always do like to flank you. They do. They

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an'ts do that a lot. We thought, well, it was

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best to leave it alone. Just we're too close to

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us in the build. Okay, he was probably within eight

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eighteen peep. We just couldn't see him and the other

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side of the tree. So we just kind of like, well,

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we'll just want to run back up to the trucks.

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Especially what we did, because it did they actually caught

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us off guard in a bad situation.

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So is is having to have There been other times

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where you've had to draw your your firearms as well

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or was that a pretty unique situation.

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No, that was a unique situation. And I said, Jack,

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we usually because we don't go out there calling them

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and then oh we're going to shoot them. That doesn't

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make sense. Like I said, we're up there trying to

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steady in their behaviors and everything else to draw our firearms.

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Just like I said, it just totally caught check off guards.

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So now this so, Chuck, we've put that thing wait

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for her, you know her flow this year and which

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last year we actually had the same kind of incident

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where one come in down on just on Camp Charlie,

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also at the west end, and that's the one you're

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recording to think I sent you there where it sounds

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like it's talking kind of like it's but we had

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to make sure it wasn't a bear or whatever because

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it did sound bear like. But there's no blackbird going

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to come into camp down and where we were at.

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So and we actually I had it sent off to

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the state. The guy that actually used to work for

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State of Washington wild just for the State of Washington.

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He examined that and he said, let's not a bear.

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And I had David Ellis do it because we just

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didn't want to pop off and say this was, uh

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a bear or not a bear, So we just there.

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Everybody we send it to, we had five people of

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validated it wasn't a bear.

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Which is great to get that that type of response

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back from so many all the people that.

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Was the cheering today I did talk about though, Yeah,

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I think I was talking about it was a cherry out.

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But see those kind of instance you learn things that

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we don't always have our firearms once, like I said,

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most time we were sending or leading in the struct

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or whatever, because like I said, we're not going to

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go start shooting up the woods and everything. It's just

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for general protection because we are dealing with things we

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don't completely know anything about or how they're going to

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respond to things. So they definitely don't like guns.

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So you know, when I get reports from the Pacific

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Northwest and southeast Alaska, uh, I see a pattern that

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that comes out sometimes. I'm just curious if you, if

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you EXPERI variance any of this in your area as well,

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do you ever get any reports at all where the

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person will say it had qualities of like an orangutan

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at all?

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Yeah, Well, we had discussion quite often because I'm studying

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their behavior more or less than I do than the

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audios and stuff, and we just we have disagreements. But

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I've been out there for a long as long as

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it's their cognitive thinking, they don't really have thinking beyond pates,

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as I say, for prep like we could roll up

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on mes, but there problem solving skills only go to

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a certain level and then they start and they don't

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pursue it like a human does, which leaves me believe

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that they don't have that ability. I don't know what

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the word I wanted to use was, really, uh how many?

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How many or whatever would probably be something in our past,

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because they don't seem to have past that. It seems

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to be like ape like thinking. You know, they're smart,

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I would put it in. I would have to say

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they're above a little bit above eight, but they're not

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quite human on their problem solving skills. Gotcha if that

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makes sense to you, Yeah, that's it. That's what I've

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gathered and that's what I'm studying, is all their behaviors

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and stuff like that in regards to how they react

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and how their thinking is. But they are smart for

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their environment. Like I said, that's why people. A lot

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of people get confused because they are adapted for the

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forest out there and all their abilities and everything tends

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to do that. On their hunting skills, I mean, they're impressive.

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That's why I always say it's impressive on theirs hunting

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skills and stuff like that, and the way they use stealth,

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but that's adapted for their environment. I mean it's I

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always tell them, I says, well, if they were a human,

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they probably be used taking roll of toilet paper or

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something else with them out there or whatever. But in

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their structures that they're building, it's pretty primitive and basic.

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So a lot of people give like to giving human

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qualities where I disagree. I don't see any human qualities

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regarding that at.

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All, gotcha. So studying their behavior and just being out

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in the field for so long, are there certain things

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where if you experience and outside of seeing the creature,

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let's say you experience or hear something or something happens,

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are there a few things where it'll you'll be like, oh, yeah,

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I'm dealing with a bigfoot right now. That just happened.

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Well, the adults when they usually when I use the

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thing for adults is that they'll sound like a bulldozer

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going through the brush. And you can't call everything because

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that could be a giant outcome. To see the outcome

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do there too, but you have to relate a lot

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of things to it. Is that. Okay, what else besides

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that noise you're hearing back? Most time when they make

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this brush noise or whatever, they'll start throwing rocks. And

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that's what usually gives you indications that, Okay, I'm dealing

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with a bigfoot, not an elk out there, or you

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get or you might there's a lot of factory because

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we don't like to call everything because it's fooling yourself, right,

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I mean, there's other creatures out there, and a lot

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of people like to call, you know, say oh that's

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a big foot. That's a big foot, that's a big foot,

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or I get the typtical, Oh that's a deer, that's

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an alk, that's a squirrel. You know, And it's easy

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for people to do that. When I give them recordings,

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they'll sit there and say, there spy different creatures sitting

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right there. Oh that's a you know, let's say it's

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a knocking sound, Well that's a elk, it's deer on

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a rubbing on a tree, and that other sound there,

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that other knocking sound. There's a squirrel opening, you know, cracking,

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and that opened up front a stone, and all this

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stick your head because you know they don't want to

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put these things all together. And then they'll sit there

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and say, well, I don't know what that sound is.

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You know, we'll get it like a raspy sound or something,

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and they say, well, I can't identify that, but the

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rest of them is definitely. All these other creatures in there, deer,

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an elk, and bear are all in the same area,

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in the same spot. It makes no sense, you know.

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But again, we don't like to say everything is that.

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We have to go through a lot of stuff on

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our audios to make sure. You know, we're just saying

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it's unknown. We know it's not a deer. We just

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take things off the listically, well, that's not an elk.

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We know that's not a deer. That's not a coyote,

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that's out of cougar. I mean, there's so many different

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animals out there, and we get fooled every once in

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a while, like a nighthawk will make it sound like

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sounds like a roaring sound out there, and I was

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totally amazed when David but they told me the night

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off and sure enough, that's what it was when we

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went to mcculay library. He's really good at that stuff.

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So for identification, did you get a lot of misidentification

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people us all here, you know? And they can cause

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that too. Let me back at up a little bit,

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because they, like said on mimicking on their oil mimicking,

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they're very very good. It's very difficult to tell the

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difference between the real isle and them, and you have

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to relate other things going on. Sometimes we'll hear uh.

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One time I heard a vocalization, Uh, three vocalizations come

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out of the same spot. We heard a kyo an now,

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and I heard a squatch call, all in the same

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general area. So like you have to you have to

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really look into your stuff. And like we're doing this

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so we don't. We're just there's nobody in here we're

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playing for that. We just share these things we already

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out with you or whatever. But people can hear these things.

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But there's no game for us to hoax ourselves or

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you know, but well, this fooling ourselves for any kind

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of personal game. If we're not writing any kind of books.

453
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.240
We're not you, we're not on the stage, we're not

454
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:17.480
receiving monetary days whatsoever. So and all this is the

455
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:20.720
money that we put in. So there's there's no reason

456
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.720
for us to fool on another or anybody else.

457
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:29.720
So what would it take? What would it take for

458
00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:35.680
bless you? Uh, let's say your your research continues. Is

459
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:39.279
there a certain point where something would happen and you

460
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:43.640
could walk away satisfied and be like, Okay, we got

461
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:45.960
everything we need because this just happened.

462
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.200
We'll be in for so many years. Is the getting

463
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:53.960
video is the most difficult part because they're in heavy

464
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.000
brush and everything, and actually we have to buy more

465
00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:01.960
and more equipment or equipment gets uh really really expensive,

466
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.119
and it gets better as we go on to Like

467
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:06.880
I said, our thermals had a night scout. We also

468
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:12.440
just purchased last week a thermal drone, which we have

469
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.880
to employing your tactics too. You have to change up

470
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:18.279
your tactics and everything. So all this equipment costs. Anybody,

471
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.279
you hate putting money into something that you're you're not

472
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.440
getting gaining anything from, Like the thermal cameras, you've got

473
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.599
several thousands of dollars worth of the thermal camera between

474
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:31.880
all of this, probably because of the fifty thousand and

475
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:38.319
yet we haven't produced anything on those. That's what's frustrating.

476
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.759
But we are audios. We have audio stuff all the time.

477
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.720
They work constantly, they're always pulling in information on the audios.

478
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.160
The game camera is another one. You tried to put

479
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:51.720
a lot of buy a new and newer equipment to

480
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.319
get you know, we're trying to find your career out.

481
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.319
How they're doing it by the way, Uh, we get

482
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:02.519
something on those, but sometimes you get so caught up

483
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:05.240
and just trying to get audios and you know we've

484
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:07.079
put game during Cambridge up to all the time, but

485
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:10.640
you get frustrated when that equipment gets destroyed or so

486
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.400
many steals it or whatever. You lose a lot of

487
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:19.559
money also, but it's frustrating not getting like says this year,

488
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:22.759
I'm more concentrated on getting the thermal than you did,

489
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.960
more than I am the audios. So that makes sense.

490
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:33.279
It does. It does is having is having a thermal drone?

491
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:38.759
Have you thought about how that might change, uh your

492
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.039
game plan when you're out in the field, how you're

493
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:43.480
going to integrate that on your future research.

494
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:46.920
Well, we we've had to change our attachments stuff because

495
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.839
they they're smarter in that community too, like they change

496
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:52.279
with their environment, like they're on their hunting shieals. Is

497
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:54.200
that you have to get them to come into a

498
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.079
certain area. It's trying trying to beat them up and

499
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.279
pull them. It's very difficult. But the terrain is self.

500
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:03.200
Even thermal cameras are not the you know overall, they

501
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.440
don't They only see so far in there and they

502
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:11.079
can only pick up so much stuff. The thunder and

503
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.880
like I said, the quality people how we have to

504
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.000
set up stuff, you know, is because they come in

505
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.720
from different directions. Now that the drone can cover a

506
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:23.720
lot more area, but the fool egine there is really thick.

507
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.359
So and like I said, when you're flying over the

508
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:28.920
canopies and everything, they can't always see down in that stuff.

509
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:33.880
There's no thermal sperm military style that's going to and

510
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.680
you're you're talking about a lot more expensive equipment trying

511
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:39.759
to get those kind of you know, the drones like

512
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:41.839
we like to have, like the Air Force and the

513
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.079
military used. It'd be great, but we don't have that

514
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.720
kind of stuff. We don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars,

515
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.200
you know, drones. We're only looking at six thousand dollars drones.

516
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:56.920
So have you thought about what would be the perfect

517
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.000
piece of evidence that you would be able to capture

518
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:02.160
sure with this new thermal drone.

519
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.319
Well, the thing is is that we're not to go

520
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.119
just to catchure with the The thermal drone is added too,

521
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.480
because we would look what the perfect thing is to

522
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:18.200
pick up the audios, the tracks. You have to have

523
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:21.599
several parts of evidences you're ever going to show anything

524
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:25.400
like this. The thermal imaging is just one part, but

525
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:27.640
you have the ground thermals that we're trying to catch

526
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:29.839
them on. We're trying to catch them on all these things,

527
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.640
the audio for it all. It's all evidence that went

528
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.599
not just one thing, because not one piece of evidence

529
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.880
is not going to be compelling to people to believe

530
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:43.799
one thing or the other. If you get multiple images,

531
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.160
if we say the ground part as well as the

532
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.799
aerial part of it, along with the audios and some

533
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:52.599
tracks and everything is more compelling.

534
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.519
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

535
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.119
And also you wouldn't want to get multiple We're not

536
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:19.039
looking at just trying to get this one just one imaging.

537
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:24.000
We're trying to get over several multiple because we're, like

538
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.480
I said, we're walking for behaviors and stuff, and we're

539
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.720
trying to see what they're doing out there as we're

540
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:32.079
what we hear on our audios. That's the only thing

541
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.839
we're trying to prove ourselves. Like with the knocking, was

542
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.160
call why are they knocking? Why are they pounding out

543
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.519
these particular rocks over here? Or why do they keep

544
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.519
on coming into this particular area? What are they doing?

545
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.680
It's the hunting area go things. You can only speculate

546
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.759
that is that we would like to see what they're doing.

547
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.759
So it isn't worth so evidence that to other people

548
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.160
that they exist or whatever. It's just to show that

549
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.680
the we're hearing out there coincide for what we're seeing

550
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:04.680
by supports.

551
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:09.839
Excuse me, absolutely. Let's imagine. Let's say you have all

552
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.599
of a sudden, you have just unlimited resources. Are there

553
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:17.400
any other pieces of equipment that you would add to

554
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.960
the things that you have for your research in the area.

555
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.839
I don't know if we've got anything. It's a qui

556
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.680
equipment gets old out there, I said, send and stuff. Reason,

557
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.559
It's like a ten twelve years old, I say, a

558
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.720
twelve years old, like some of our audio equipment upgrading

559
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.240
all that stuff, but we have this basically just I

560
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.920
can't even think of anything but the drone. Maybe there's

561
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:43.960
other people out there, researches come up with stuff, but

562
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.079
I can't even think what we don't have now with

563
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.799
with buying the aerial drone, there's nothing else we don't have.

564
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:56.799
I mean, there's there's better thermal imaging where you know, check.

565
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:01.440
I think it's actually he's getting uh, you're working with

566
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:05.039
another group in their with their they're mending with some

567
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.839
thermals with it are tripped out there kind of like

568
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.160
game cameras and they're taking video video. I don't like

569
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.000
to talk about his stuff too much because we all

570
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:17.400
have different goals as research is out there, so his

571
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:21.240
field is different than mine. We all do a combination everything.

572
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:25.079
Like I said, when I'm staying in behaviors and stuff

573
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.480
like that, and he's more into audio and the game cams.

574
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.480
Kevin has his stuff, and like I say, it depends

575
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:33.960
on what the person say who were working with the

576
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:35.920
goals they want to set. We try to help each

577
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:40.440
other to get those, you know, achieve their goals exactly.

578
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.000
Most people, if you want to take most if they

579
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.359
want to go out there and just have an account,

580
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:46.240
we do that everyone. So we take people out there

581
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.039
for they can have their little group encounters or whatever.

582
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:53.160
This experienced the vocalizations or see him playing out there

583
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.480
and at the game cams. I'm not a game camp,

584
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:57.720
but the kim lights and all that stuff. That's this.

585
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.400
We call it dinner and a show basically what it is.

586
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.640
So that's interesting. So we did talk about that last time,

587
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.800
but I don't know did we I don't think that

588
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:13.239
came up. You actually have seen them playing around.

589
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.199
Well, I take the people out there. Actually there was

590
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:22.599
let's see, there was five people are taken out there,

591
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.719
plus two hundreds that we had picked up because I

592
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.320
go out there with my r V. I had a

593
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:29.920
bigger r V and I feed everybody and we go.

594
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:31.880
You know, we let them to the little experiences that

595
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.400
are going out and looking at tracks. We actually seen

596
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.599
some foot tracks and stuff like that. We set up

597
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.320
for the night and I tried to let them do

598
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.719
their little experiments. In this picture, a couple of one

599
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.760
to put up kim lights across road and this is

600
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.719
the same actually where I got that second attack on

601
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:55.480
the in for sound, but they actually I didn't call

602
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.400
blasting and called them in. This was really strange too.

603
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.480
It was the middle of hunting season. We had a

604
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.239
lot of smoke out there. There was a forest fire I

605
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:04.920
think to the south, and there was a lot of

606
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.320
smoking in that area and I really wouldn't expect anything

607
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:09.480
to happen that night, but they all wanted to go

608
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:13.840
out that night. So there were seven individuals and those

609
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.280
were hunters that I had just picked up. We had

610
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:18.519
they want. David found that we were doing so they

611
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:20.880
wanted to join in and said, okay, so I had

612
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:22.679
funny chairs. So we're all sitting out there across the

613
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:26.320
road and we did some call busting, and sure enough,

614
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.039
about twenty five minutes later, we heard some it's a

615
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.519
movement coming in And I don't sit there constant call busted,

616
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.159
a few calls and we wait and see if they

617
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.840
come in. And normally if there's an adults come in

618
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:42.360
or whatever, they'll make a bunch of noise. And that's

619
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.039
why we experienced. We started hearing a lot of brush

620
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:49.119
movement around us. And as we were sitting there and

621
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.039
we were just sitting there kind of just whispering and

622
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.440
everything talking. We looked across the road there and we

623
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:57.280
see these kim lights. Movie. We end up playing with

624
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.000
these kim lights. I mean they're banging them and stuff

625
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.079
like that. They didn't tear them off and throw them whatever.

626
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.719
But the interesting thing is that we started getting vocalizations

627
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:09.280
where we started hearing like a wounded deer sound, which

628
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:10.880
I never heard before. And I wish I had no

629
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:13.159
recorders going at the time, because I said I would

630
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:17.119
love it because I've heard that other people say talk

631
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.320
about this wounded deer sound. I had never heard it

632
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.360
before until that night, and we were hearing wounded deer.

633
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:25.679
We were hearing whistling, We heard a couple of little knocks,

634
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.280
and then we actually heard a male out there vocalized

635
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.800
for real, like a real ah sound, and then stop.

636
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.639
And this went on for a couple hours. But the

637
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:41.599
whole thing was is let people experience that and say, oh, okay,

638
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:43.960
this wait, because I don't go out there and tell

639
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:45.880
people what to think. I said there and say, well,

640
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:47.760
you let me know what you're seeing out there and

641
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:50.760
hearing and what your experience is, because then you can

642
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.559
be skeptical or not so skeptical or whatever. You can

643
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:56.599
decide for yourself. I don't tell people what this this

644
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:00.159
is what we're doing without it, I think so, and

645
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.840
they were and they get all excited. I mean there's

646
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.280
really a lot of excitement in other part, and you know,

647
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.440
we get individs try to walk over to them and

648
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.800
say no, you don't want to do that, and they

649
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:14.400
actually just withdraw. I mean, it kind of ruins. What

650
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.840
I'm trying to do is I said, just sit there,

651
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.360
let the people, you know, everybody experience this, and don't

652
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.960
approach them on telling these and there's don't don't approach

653
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.719
them because they're just going to withdraw, which they did,

654
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:28.039
and said, then you can ruin the experience for people,

655
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:32.239
and you know, trying to get we we stream people,

656
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.719
you know. I always when you take people out doing anything,

657
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:37.480
just kind of like, oh, don't do that, you know.

658
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.519
I tell people to think that they wanted to try

659
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:45.000
to get closer or whatever, but they's ruined their own experience.

660
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.679
That's what I say. If you just sit here, let

661
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:48.599
them do the thing, they'll do their little thing and

662
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.079
then they'll leave.

663
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.679
Okay, okay, So you found that the best results of

664
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.239
being able to experience things are just sitting, sit down,

665
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.920
or stay in your area and just watch and be quiet.

666
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.119
Okay, yeah, but I use I use some techniques we have,

667
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:08.159
like for call blessing stuff, and we don't we don't

668
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.480
do that try to get vocalizations. We basically use that

669
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.280
to get they get them to come in because they

670
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.320
get curious. Doesn't matter where how long they'll come in from,

671
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.480
you know, a couple of miles away. If they hear

672
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.840
your vocalizations, they'll they'll come in and see what's going on.

673
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.320
That's why we change it for our call blessings sometimes

674
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:30.559
on our or different vocals, to see how they respond

675
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.760
to them. If I can get some couple of responses

676
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.320
on this, I'll use that next time. But if you

677
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:37.880
use it too many times, they'll stop responding to it.

678
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:43.280
That makes they're smart that way they adapt to it.

679
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.880
So, you know, you've taken so many people out to

680
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:49.920
these areas over the years. Can you think of any

681
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.960
times where there's been that someone has encountered bigfoot activity

682
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:55.960
for the first time and they've just had a really

683
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:57.280
intense reaction.

684
00:38:59.119 --> 00:38:59.920
I'm sorry, my boy.

685
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.320
Yeah, I guess that's probably the King of the reactions.

686
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:07.760
Huh yeah, well, well yeah, that we had ten individuals

687
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.800
we took out there, and some of us were three individuals,

688
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.920
four individuals. We were researchers and we had some new

689
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:17.760
people with so we took about the experience and they

690
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:22.360
got the they got to hear vocalizations that night, and

691
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.639
I thought that was kind of cool. They, like I said,

692
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:26.960
sometimes they people do the things I don't want them

693
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:29.960
to do. They'll sit there and overstep their balance. I

694
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:31.719
call it. I should I should put a stop to it.

695
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.519
But what I'm doing is letting people experience certain things.

696
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.719
Just let them, you know whatever. Because some people tried

697
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.199
to turn it into a camp out and they'll build

698
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.360
a fire out there, which I usually don't like have

699
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:46.000
fires out there because they usually stay away. And uh.

700
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:49.760
And then you get to the individual want to bring

701
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.400
booze along or whatever, and that that I don't tolerate.

702
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:55.079
But then they want to drink out there and turn

703
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:57.559
into drinking party, and I just didn't really upset. So

704
00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:59.840
I just go down the other the capitalist listen to stuff.

705
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:03.639
But but as these individuals were drinking all night and

706
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:07.440
they went back to our rigs. We had ten vehicles

707
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:13.360
out there, and we see we had four RV's, a

708
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.559
couple of campers, but they were all in general area,

709
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.280
this Charlie and everything. But there was a gentleman was

710
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.559
sleeping in the back of his truck at the canopy

711
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.639
and they had come back in there. I think it

712
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.280
was around one two o'clock in the morning, and I

713
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.360
guess they decided it was an adult. I assumed he

714
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:32.079
could have been a juvenile, but they decided to shake

715
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:35.320
him awake. And the only reason I know this because

716
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.119
we had let the record going all night in the camp.

717
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:40.480
We could hear these things come in and they actually

718
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:42.840
were shaking him. And that was his first experience, and

719
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:44.679
he still talks about it all. He talks about it

720
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:46.880
every time I talked about it was his first experience

721
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.199
with any kind of bigfoot activity. But even though he

722
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.320
heard the vocalizations and everything that night. But that was

723
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.559
the most shocking thing. But that shocked me is that

724
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.639
there were so many people in camp. I surprised that

725
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.400
these things come in there. So we learned from that experience.

726
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.519
It doesn't matter other people you have to they'll still

727
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:04.199
come into camp in the middle night when they think

728
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:05.199
everybody's a sleep.

729
00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:09.679
That is that is wild. So you're saying they shook

730
00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:11.800
the vehicle to get them to wake up.

731
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:16.760
Yeah, yeah, they woke him up and scared him. That

732
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.400
was almost traumatic. Uh, probably the second most traumatic experience.

733
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.840
Oh I had a third one was really bad. I

734
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.599
have to be careful. I'm a little bit more vetting

735
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:29.280
people now because they don't realize what they're doing with it.

736
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.800
I think it's these creatures stay out there and they

737
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.440
don't They're like fifty feet away and you're going to

738
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:36.840
see them. Well, sometimes you get come in really really

739
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.719
close and they could do you know, they can tear

740
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.719
up the brush and stuff. I took one individual there

741
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:45.400
and he won't go back out in the widget anymore.

742
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.400
Actually it's the second person out there. But I don't

743
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.679
want to get people PTSD. That's what I'm trying to avoid.

744
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.280
You know. I tried to tell people all the time

745
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.559
that hey, you can experience this out there. It's not

746
00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:59.880
like what you think. It is easy to talk about

747
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:01.719
when you're in a lighted room and everything, but when

748
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.679
it's completely dark out there, it's a totally different scenario.

749
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:10.320
Out there, you don't have control of your environment. They do,

750
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.519
so you just kind of just have to deal with it.

751
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.960
Are are you able to so are you able to

752
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.719
share what happened at that time where the individual will

753
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.440
not go back into the woods anymore?

754
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.679
Well, the longest the boss, the guy that had was

755
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.639
leaning over the hood. The other guy was named I

756
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:32.280
don't want what a name, but I took him down

757
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:36.159
to Delta. And this is kind of unique because he

758
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.000
was in the military, so I kind of like trust

759
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.480
the military people, but he was also a combat veteran

760
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:46.920
and we're a little bit more. I don't know. It

761
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.239
takes a lot to really set us off forgetting get

762
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:55.239
us going. And this picture individual was a Vietnam bed

763
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:57.519
you see. Told me he was a congre tern.

764
00:42:58.400 --> 00:42:58.519
Uh.

765
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.480
But I took him out there. I mean we were

766
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.239
probably out there for twenty minutes, and I did a

767
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:06.159
couple of calls, and we were in this brushy area

768
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:11.519
and stuff, uh, not too far from the tree shaking area,

769
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:13.519
and we had a big mail come in here and

770
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.000
he was making it sounded like a bulldozer comes through

771
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.760
the brush and everything, and it was just doing some

772
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.679
vocalizations and he just lost it. I mean, I really

773
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.239
one of the few times that I was trying to

774
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.519
control people and everything. I actually we actually had to

775
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.440
leave it twenty minutes after we got there, and I

776
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:34.039
had driving him home and he was just having a

777
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:36.880
nervous breakdown over it. But this guy was telling me

778
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.239
how he was going to spear it in the chest.

779
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:41.239
You know, they're talking all this crap, and I just

780
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:43.599
got to laughing. He was kind of skeptical. Then I

781
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:47.599
took him out there. You found that, you know, basically

782
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.000
we're dealing with real creatures out there. He didn't want

783
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.960
no part of that. And I say, I haven't talked

784
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.199
to him in vital since I took him home that night,

785
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:58.800
and it was several years ago. He didn't even want

786
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:00.599
to talk about the NCID. He doesn't want to do anything.

787
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:02.400
He didn't want to you know. I try to actually say, well,

788
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:04.920
let me get to go back out there again, you know,

789
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:06.360
because he said he used to go out in the

790
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.000
woods all tank it. He says, well, Steep, you can

791
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.599
get you back through that again. He didn't want anything

792
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:16.559
to do with the woods, whis whoever anymore. So unfortunately,

793
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:21.800
you know, then I feel responsible right for that individual, because,

794
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.079
like I said, I just changed his whole life, or

795
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:26.280
they've been he's just getting people like he says, you

796
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.719
don't really realize the reality to what's going on out there.

797
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.079
They just take it for granted nice as well, but

798
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.800
you I really feel bad if I get somebody to

799
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:39.599
that point. I don't want you know, he's got prior

800
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:42.760
PTSD from the war, so so it just makes it worse.

801
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:49.280
Yeah, that would that would be a very tricky thing

802
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:52.719
for I'm trying to put myself in your situation to

803
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:55.480
work through that. That would be I mean, you can

804
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.320
try to prepare these individuals that have asked you to

805
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:03.079
bring them to your area, but I mean, is there

806
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.639
a way that you can really prepare them one hundred percent?

807
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:11.079
I don't think there is. We just we can't understand

808
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:14.199
that until we get there. Big for society, who will

809
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:15.920
be right back after these messages?

810
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.280
Yeah, and even my own research part and I says,

811
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:39.519
they they have this spernt seeing them, which I have,

812
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:42.039
which I'm a lot more in the cautious side, because

813
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:43.880
every time I have to you, it's just made me

814
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.119
more that more cautious because then you when you actually

815
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.000
see them to what you're dealing with out there, it's

816
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.639
more like a wake up call. But they always say

817
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:55.119
the same thing. They want to go chasing in the

818
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.239
brush aft room and stuff like that, and I'm going, no, no,

819
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.760
you sure don't because that triss you know. I mean,

820
00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:01.960
I do a lot of stupid stuff of that called

821
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.159
where I go and you know, go and chasing them

822
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.480
might hear sounds and going there looking and running in there.

823
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.280
I won't do that anymore. After looking, after seeing them now,

824
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:13.119
I said, there's no way now I'm going to do that.

825
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.400
I'm very undecautious side of doing that now because these

826
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:18.840
things are so big, and I says, we're like little

827
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:20.760
twigs to them. They just tear you apart if they

828
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:23.599
want to do that. But it's also because I when

829
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:31.719
listening all the according to I know we're to move forward, right.

830
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.440
I basically understand the behavior, but I don't trust them still.

831
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.920
The more I deal with stuff, and I says, they're

832
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:40.840
not humans that we're dealing with, and you know, they're

833
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:42.840
not going to do any kind of interaction, and we're

834
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.920
also invading them. We're still outside. People always think they're

835
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.920
going to have this interaction or something like it, you know,

836
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.079
Jane Goodall or whatever. It's not going to happen. At

837
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.840
least I don't think it's going to happen. But anybody,

838
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:58.320
anybody tells me they have this little uh my heard stories.

839
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:00.719
People sit there and tell me this where they're pitty pat,

840
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:04.519
you know, out there with them in your sights or whatever,

841
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:09.280
and they're you know, feeding them and they're having this

842
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.760
mental thing or whatever going on. I don't believe that's happening.

843
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:15.880
I don't think it's even possible for what I'm studying

844
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:17.440
out there, m.

845
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:26.400
It is. It is very interesting how individuals, if you

846
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:31.440
take their accounts at face value, they are definitely and

847
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:37.320
sometimes experiencing the phenomenon of Bigfoot in extremely different ways.

848
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:43.159
Do you do you ever have encounters where it feels

849
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:49.039
like you're being watched for just a long period of

850
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.079
time when you're in those areas.

851
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.239
I never get that doing of somebody watching me. I

852
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.360
never had that feeling. Now. I've heard people talk about

853
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:02.559
that a lot, and I always frocked that off to

854
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.239
maybe the infsound, because that's what people get under the

855
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.519
dread and feeling of being watched. I don't get that

856
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:11.639
dealing out there. I don't know if that's it could

857
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:15.599
be for my personally, I don't I can't say I don't.

858
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:21.079
I don't get scared out there. I get nervous or cautious,

859
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.159
but I don't have the fear that goes on with

860
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:26.960
most people because I know more basic what I'm dealing

861
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:30.440
with out there. I'm expecting it, but it catch me

862
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:37.360
off guard sometimes. But for people I don't know what

863
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:38.000
they're thinking.

864
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.960
Sometimes you know, are are the Sierra sounds ever used

865
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:44.800
in your call blasting out there?

866
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.519
I use those and that was actually when I played that.

867
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:53.480
I've used them one time and it was when I

868
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.760
got that that maybe be the reason I've ever got

869
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.280
the infrasound back and return on the second time. When

870
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.119
I was out there talking about across the road, I

871
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.440
was using call blasting out to that area across the

872
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:10.119
road there the Sarah sound okay, and that's the kind

873
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.400
of I kind of got that aggressive response. I don't

874
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.880
like to say this is exactly what it was, but

875
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.199
I'm always trying to figure out what caused that response

876
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.840
to get them for sound attacks, Like I said, the

877
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.480
first time, was because I jumped off the RB running

878
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:28.559
towards creatures them that part time, I remember using that

879
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.280
Sarah sounds calling into bussion and that's the response I got,

880
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:34.280
so that might have been what it was, or might

881
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:39.000
it might it wasn't. I've only heard that samurai chatter

882
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.440
out there once, uh, in the middle of the night.

883
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.320
I either heard that samurai chatter type, but all the

884
00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:49.320
other stuff loops I've heard before too, so not taking

885
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.719
just like the talking like that the talking recorded, It

886
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:57.199
wasn't like that. It was more like a growling met

887
00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:58.639
In fact, you have that recording.

888
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.400
I got them both here, Ben, So I'm gonna go ahead.

889
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.960
Should I play them together or play one and let

890
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.360
you do commentary and then the other.

891
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.199
Well, they're both in the same creatures. One is a

892
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.840
longer version of it. One's a minute in fifty two seconds,

893
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.159
and then was thirty eight seconds. We had several other

894
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.119
recordings under I just scated it. Sent you a couple

895
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.159
of those things and examples.

896
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.199
All right, I'm gonna play I'm gonna play version four

897
00:50:22.320 --> 00:51:07.079
first here. Okay, so that's that's our first one. I'm

898
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:08.679
gonna go ahead and play the second one.

899
00:51:08.559 --> 00:53:47.400
Here, ye all.

900
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.440
Right, Ben, so feel free to uh.

901
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:09.280
Yeah, there was a little bit of jet noise in there,

902
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:10.920
and there was also I think there was a knock

903
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.199
in there. But yeah, unfortunately recorded a jet set me

904
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.440
a jet coming in the last part of that and everything,

905
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:21.000
so they're flying over there. But it's interesting, like said,

906
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.760
there's growls in that and there's a that's that's actually

907
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:28.360
uh the future come down from the top of the hill.

908
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.159
And actually that's when I was talking about the chair incident.

909
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:34.239
We were joking about uh with check. I was talking

910
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.000
about that he was holding a chair and everything. But

911
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:41.280
it was interesting because it caused that response was we

912
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:45.400
had uh recorded my one of our pillow researchers that

913
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.079
it just has a newborn. He actually had a baby crying,

914
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:53.159
and we actually did that particular call out there and

915
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:58.400
running that and that's the response we got. We thought

916
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:02.960
we actually generated aggressive response. We thought was kind of weird.

917
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.960
Oh wow, that's very interesting. Ben So playing the baby

918
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:12.599
crying noise an aggressive response.

919
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.760
My goodness. Well there was also well it could something else.

920
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:18.519
We know there was. There's other calls we got out

921
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:22.599
there that there was definitely a juvenile. I had a

922
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.000
food station out there that I was trying to draw

923
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:27.840
him to. We were trying to basically get him in

924
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:32.760
that area, and we had heard a juvenile calls earlier

925
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:38.079
from our recordings and either we got the juvenal got

926
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:42.280
in between us and the adult. I'm not sure, but

927
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.960
like I said, we played that recording out there and

928
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:49.039
that we instantly started getting calls out from the top

929
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.400
of the hill and he come all the way down there,

930
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:58.719
within probably thirty forty feet away from us, which is

931
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.719
unusual for an adult to do that, and he was

932
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.679
sitting there getting this is what he was doing by

933
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:10.079
those sounds, as Bell Research were saying, it was heavy breathing,

934
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:13.599
but it was definitely growling and making these noises like that.

935
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.800
That was a response we got and that's what caused.

936
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.280
But like it's always finking we had played out there

937
00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:21.519
call bust people with baby cries.

938
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.599
Has there ever been a time when you've been call

939
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.880
blasting out there and you did something You're at, goh man,

940
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:32.800
we should not have done that.

941
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.199
Well, it's besides the ever sound thing I got from

942
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:42.039
one moreheads so here I would say that that one.

943
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:44.960
And I know, Ron, it's funny to we talk about

944
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:50.639
that time, but uh, it's and most of the time

945
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.039
I'm testing out there anyway, I don't like to doing

946
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.800
a lot of petitor calls. Who my call bosses can

947
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:59.679
do that has over a thousand different calls. Besides, I

948
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:02.599
can at all my stuff on over two or three

949
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:05.920
hundred different calls I want to, but I try not

950
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:09.360
to call in do predator calls like rabbits or anything

951
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:11.039
like that, because I'm always afraid it's going to bring

952
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:15.679
predators and you know, coyotes or cougar or something unexpected. No,

953
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:18.159
we usually try to be very careful in doing that.

954
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.519
But I haven't had anything out of the ordinary where

955
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:23.159
we get called buses. Most of the time, I said,

956
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:27.840
we get some weird vocals most of the time. That's

957
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.400
all we're trying to generate or were trying to actually

958
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:31.719
use it, because a lot of people think they call

959
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:35.599
bussing systems to generate vocalisation, but it's not. It's actually

960
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:37.800
just to get them within a certain area to come

961
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.840
into an area for their curiosity. For we can get

962
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:43.760
them into our recording range. So that's basically what it's

963
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.440
used for. And it doesn't always work, like says they

964
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:49.000
Sometimes they'll be quiet all the time, they won't respond

965
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.000
to it at all. That you have to change it up.

966
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.000
Like I said, I've tried well calls out there to

967
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:58.079
see how that works. I've done monkey. I'm trying to

968
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:02.599
howler monkey certain monkey sounds that they'll respond to and

969
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:06.440
get vocals to, or they react to. Sometimes music can

970
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:08.519
cause them to do weird things out there here and

971
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:12.480
start breaking branches. You turn it off like they want

972
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:14.000
to hear it the real quiet, and then you turn

973
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:15.760
it off and then they would start breaking brands and

974
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:16.599
getting all upset.

975
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.599
Yeah, that's really interesting, Ben. That lines up with a

976
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:23.400
few other things I've heard. What kind of music are

977
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:24.800
you playing out there?

978
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:25.639
Oh?

979
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:29.159
That picks the time we did some Celtic music. It

980
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:33.079
was like Irish music. I guess it was Celtic and

981
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:38.719
they seem to enjoy that. Now. I haven't tried everything

982
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:40.599
in the world because, like I said, I'm not trying

983
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:45.960
to contaminate their behaviors because too much influence in us

984
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:49.360
is this We're causing reactions that actually want them to

985
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:51.880
do it on their natural appreciation, just to how they

986
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:54.880
naturally work in the environment, calling one another, in communication

987
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:57.719
between one and another, or rather not us interact with

988
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.119
them at all, were causing to do these things. I'm

989
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:04.719
just trying to get responses just you know, their natural

990
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.679
behaviors basically comes down to that's what I'm trying to

991
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:08.320
learn off of.

992
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:14.719
So something that might be interesting to try. I've heard

993
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:18.639
this from a few researchers that there is a I

994
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:23.800
believe it's a classical song that usually gets a really

995
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:28.679
good response. It's called ballero, and it's just it's it

996
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.440
has a really interesting drum beat to.

997
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:35.400
It over the beating and stuff.

998
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:37.599
And yeah, yeah, yeah.

999
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:41.119
Friends tried to play flute and some out there with drums.

1000
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:45.239
They said they've got responses. I don't play rummy things

1001
00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:47.440
since I don't do a lot of knocking because their

1002
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:52.719
communication of knocking is basically for several reasons, but it

1003
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:55.400
kind of counteracts what I'm doing. But if you're if

1004
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.960
you experiment, I'm going to actually find that one and

1005
00:58:58.039 --> 00:58:59.960
I'll play that out there to see what kind of

1006
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:03.559
actions they get. Yeah, any kind of drum beats or

1007
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:08.280
something like. They kind of it's off and on. I

1008
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:11.199
can't always say everything's a response, but like I said,

1009
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:12.960
a lot of you get a lot of nothing out

1010
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:14.519
there too. They won't fund anything.

1011
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.519
Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure that you're out there sometimes

1012
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:21.079
and it's just it could probably be a few hours

1013
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:22.559
that stuff doesn't happen.

1014
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.159
Well, I usually go to bed because I says, just

1015
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:28.920
let the equipment do because you'll be out. Like I says,

1016
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.960
it's so hit and miss I come to stuff sometimes.

1017
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.159
I mean, they'll be there the whole time. I not

1018
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.320
even know it, and I get surprised when I go

1019
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:39.719
to bed and I realized that here all this stuff

1020
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.400
going on after I went to sleep. You know, as

1021
00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:44.559
soon as a minute I set the RV door, they're

1022
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:46.800
doing all kinds of stuff. I mean when it knocks

1023
00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:48.840
us into you. We said we're out there for tend hours,

1024
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:51.519
didn't even hear a stick break, and all of a sudden,

1025
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.960
like all hell broke loose when I went went to bed,

1026
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:58.440
you know, I mean out there knocking the storm and

1027
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:00.599
they're just running all through the brush and everything. It's

1028
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:03.159
just weird. And we were out there the whole time

1029
01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:05.440
and never heard the thing going through the brush. It

1030
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.599
but it just quiet out there, and I thought, wow,

1031
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:10.320
I always sit there and say, maybe they're not around.

1032
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:13.559
But the videos to the recording you tell you differently.

1033
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.039
Pigs for a SOCIETYHO will be right back. After these messages,

1034
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:35.519
I think you.

1035
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.800
Did a couple because there was a shotgun. I was

1036
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:43.039
telling people. That's a very unusual knock because now people

1037
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:45.000
catch that, you know, and I says, you get the

1038
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.440
typical knock for it sound like some you know, topping

1039
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:49.960
mud on a tree or I think you played rock

1040
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:54.599
clacks too, uh, But I put things that are unusual

1041
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.360
for people that you know, for like the mimicking. I

1042
01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.760
wanted them to hear that. Where it's mimiking, you can

1043
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:04.119
see actually residents and residing in the al calls that

1044
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:08.480
is not a fluent like a regular owl. You can

1045
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:10.559
actually hear the difference. Almost sounds like a guy at

1046
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.360
the angle all, you know. But there's also two big

1047
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.920
puts in nerds also a juvenal in that also, and

1048
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:19.559
I think it's in a late night visitor. I don't

1049
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:22.559
think you played that one, But that's mimicking. You can

1050
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.039
tell some of the mimicking on there where they get a

1051
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:27.519
little bit off as probably a younger adult doing it.

1052
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:35.360
You did say a little bit ago where certain ape

1053
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:39.920
calls have elicited responses cowler monkeys.

1054
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:44.360
Okay, and the one that does the most is actually

1055
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:49.760
given gibb o n. That one has generated a lot

1056
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:50.559
of responses.

1057
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.400
Wow, that makes total sense, Ben, because when I have

1058
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.400
when I'm talking to witnesses, a lot of times they

1059
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:01.880
will say, yeah, it sounded like a howler monkey, or

1060
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:04.199
it sounded like a given. I mean, yeah, it makes

1061
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:05.880
sense that those would be the one.

1062
01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.159
Even they got such a high frequency. They go for

1063
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.880
high hand low, which is really unique for those and

1064
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:15.159
they to get I mean they gets you get your

1065
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:18.360
your ears to rmon when I'm out there on my

1066
01:02:19.880 --> 01:02:23.199
call blasting and it's the really high pitched screams. So

1067
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:24.840
maybe that's what they're responding to.

1068
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:29.920
I would say it absolutely. Sometimes people will will say

1069
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:36.239
that they hear sounds they try to describe as maybe

1070
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:40.760
an elephant or a t rex or just stuff that

1071
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.000
really wouldn't fit in the environment. Have you ever experienced

1072
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:45.519
anything like that out there.

1073
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:56.679
In their calls or yeah, in their calls? No that no,

1074
01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.800
but I do know I can't say there's other wildlife

1075
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:03.000
out there that you got to really be careful. Like elk.

1076
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.079
We were really surprised last year that there was an

1077
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.159
Elka made five different calls that we didn't know it

1078
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:11.800
could do. Besides the helping usaid we know they can

1079
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:17.320
do that, but they's some dog canine actually had that

1080
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:20.599
requires that's more interesting stuff that like says everything is

1081
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.280
in bigfoot out there, but it's canine. And some of

1082
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:28.360
the calls were grunted, sounded like mocks. It was really impressive.

1083
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.000
But it actually had to go see what the creature was.

1084
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:32.880
I actually got out to a thrmb coming and seen

1085
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.079
it to see what was making those sounds, and it

1086
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.760
was a it was a cap alka was making that sound.

1087
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:41.079
Oh that's interesting. Wow.

1088
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:43.960
So you also people have to because that's one of

1089
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:46.559
theful like there's a few times, like you said, you

1090
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:50.840
really have to be on top of your stuff to

1091
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.000
make sure. If I would have left that night, and

1092
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:56.639
I mean it was sobs it would sounded like because

1093
01:03:56.679 --> 01:03:58.840
every time we call bus, this thing would just go

1094
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:01.079
off and if we made any kind of sounds, it

1095
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:04.639
sounds like some kind of aggressive response. So I had

1096
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:06.320
we had heard this over a couple of hours, so

1097
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:09.039
we decided to go down there and check it out.

1098
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:10.679
So we actually went down in there and went out

1099
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:12.719
in the field and seen it doing it and kind

1100
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:15.000
of find out was the calf elk doing that calls.

1101
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:17.519
I would if we hadn't have pursued to see what

1102
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.119
it was, it might have said that was a bigfoot

1103
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.800
because there were so many. It didn't do any calls

1104
01:04:23.440 --> 01:04:29.320
as an elk then whatsoever. But there were so many

1105
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:31.880
different calls on there, I says, it just amazed me.

1106
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:35.039
But as to them now in the midickaing things like

1107
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:37.440
we've heard some weird calls out there, I don't know,

1108
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.400
as we're saying that, I've never heard those vocals out

1109
01:04:41.440 --> 01:04:44.400
there before. It amazed me that they can make deer

1110
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.480
wounding sounds. I never heard a wounded deer before. And

1111
01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:49.599
it said for that, and I've heard that many people

1112
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:52.280
saying that with big fibulas, they've heard that. Son, It

1113
01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:54.519
wasn't until I actually heard it that I said, oh,

1114
01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:58.679
that's what it sounded. Wounded deer sounds like. It actually

1115
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:01.199
sounds like that. And I've then had mineral matchup any

1116
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:04.159
of those recordings of mclor library anything like that on

1117
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:08.360
these wounded deer get anything close. It's it's really unique

1118
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:10.239
unique hearing these things.

1119
01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.239
Uh one that I just remember this is kind of

1120
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.960
a weird one. But so Charlie has a logging road

1121
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:21.000
that's really close to it, right.

1122
01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:24.920
They all did also solid they all wear access to them.

1123
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:27.239
They all have a road that goes throughhere, you have

1124
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:31.239
access to them, the easiest sites for the easy the

1125
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:35.400
best places to go, because I says for put activity, absolutely.

1126
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:39.000
But anyway, Uh, has there ever been a situation where,

1127
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.519
let's say you and your team are out there and

1128
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:44.519
stuff is just happening and then all of a sudden,

1129
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:46.880
like a random person shows up out of nowhere in

1130
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:47.639
the middle of it.

1131
01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:54.920
Uh. Yeah, there was a time when we there was

1132
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:58.280
one of our researchers wives was out there. She said

1133
01:05:58.320 --> 01:06:02.199
she seen somebody out there, a guy who's a backpack

1134
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.239
And I thought that was kind of It was later

1135
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.199
in the evening and everything, and I said, and there

1136
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.079
was nobody out there, and she said there her she

1137
01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:11.199
saw it physically solid. But I had no reason to

1138
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:14.119
think she was telling not telling the truth. Just when

1139
01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:15.840
we went out there and search and everything, and I said,

1140
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.159
where did this guy go? You know, you couldn't win

1141
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.760
anywhere because the roads are right there. He who had

1142
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:23.920
been able to see him, And it was within fifteen

1143
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:26.599
twenty seconds since she supposedly saw him, because she actually

1144
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:30.039
screamed to his scarter. So we ran down her and

1145
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:31.559
she said, there was a guy right there. He went

1146
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:33.719
that way and there was nobody there, so I don't

1147
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:41.760
tell you it wasn't bigfoot all. I've had some weird

1148
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:45.639
speople telling me stuff out there had some peronormal crap,

1149
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.119
but it was nothing to do with Bigfoot. Oh, I

1150
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:50.880
don't think it did the crazy.

1151
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:54.039
Well, you know, I think you can read. I get it.

1152
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.559
But so is it? Are we talking like people are

1153
01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:58.960
seeing lights out there or what kind of stuff?

1154
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.719
I've never I've never seen orbs. I have never seen lights.

1155
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:06.079
None of my members, most people with me, have never

1156
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:08.159
seen the same things. I'm not saying. We've never seen

1157
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:12.199
the lights and stuff that we're being claimed about. Orbs.

1158
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:15.840
I've never seen orbs. I don't even know what the

1159
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:17.679
orb look like. It. They said, all these years, we

1160
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:21.360
haven't had anything paranormal has to Bigfoot out there. Now.

1161
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:25.519
I've had some strings where I've had I don't really

1162
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:28.440
want to go in that because it gets out of

1163
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:31.599
control because the people say, oh, yeah, it's definitely bigfoot,

1164
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:36.679
but no lights, no orbs or anything like that. Entities. Yeah,

1165
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:40.079
maybe some weird ghost like stuff goes on out there,

1166
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:42.159
I would say, but it's not bigfoot.

1167
01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:48.360
Oh wow, you mentioned those are the things I always say.

1168
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.119
There's other things in the woods. I'm not going to go.

1169
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.920
I'm not going to go. But that has nothing to

1170
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:56.199
do with bigfoot. I says, they had nothing to do.

1171
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:02.039
It's totally different things. And I'm more skeptical part of

1172
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:04.440
that with things I see in here, because you can't try.

1173
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.840
I can't trust everyday I hear all the time either.

1174
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:10.280
So well, the interesting thing you mentioned at the beginning

1175
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:13.320
when you were talking about infrasound is that you were

1176
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:17.000
saying that sometimes when you're hip with infrasound, it can

1177
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:20.600
actually affect what you're seeing and hearing.

1178
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:28.439
Oh man, it can cause you to see apparitions if

1179
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.359
like I said, I always tell everybody to look upon

1180
01:08:30.439 --> 01:08:33.880
inf sound or anything now, and I can. I can't

1181
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:37.000
safely say completely that these creatures doing it. I'm just

1182
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:39.680
relating the incidents that happened to me to me suspect

1183
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:43.640
this is going on. I'm still clicking information on that

1184
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:45.880
just to make sure. But like I says, I've had that.

1185
01:08:46.039 --> 01:08:48.680
I've only had one another individual where he says he

1186
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:51.279
thought he was mind speaking, but he bought that before.

1187
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:53.560
You know, he had that been tell you before I

1188
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.600
met him. So, but he's actually a smart individual. I

1189
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.439
had no reason to think he's lying or went to

1190
01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:03.640
make up stuff like that, So I think I I

1191
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:06.239
unless I really witnessed stuff for myself. I have a

1192
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:08.840
tendency to put it off until you know I have

1193
01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.159
something to lay to hear that I can write about.

1194
01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:13.680
Put we put down our logs, cause we have research

1195
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.479
logs about any kind of stuff that happens to have

1196
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:21.039
their smells. Now, I've had a couples something pretty smelly

1197
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:26.279
out there, and I had some knocking go with it,

1198
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:28.640
So I wouldn't always say that was all big, but

1199
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:31.079
I says that was the worst smell I ever ran across.

1200
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:34.479
The smell like garby sewer and something rotten all together,

1201
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:36.600
and it was like it was so bad. It's just

1202
01:09:36.600 --> 01:09:38.880
like you walked into it and you can walk out

1203
01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:42.479
of it. Oh wow. It was just I thought I

1204
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:45.359
had stepped into something. Start smelling my clothes and every saying, man,

1205
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:47.520
this stuff is going to stink on me because that

1206
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:53.399
that you know, uh picture didn't smell. It was just terrible.

1207
01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:57.840
Nick your eyes water, my gons and twice we had that.

1208
01:09:58.319 --> 01:10:00.319
Or you can actually walk into it and then come

1209
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:04.760
back to area and nothing there and the same thing. Uh,

1210
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:09.800
when we believe it's the females. Now this is speculation.

1211
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:14.760
Is real smell lilac out there? It just really heavy

1212
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:17.439
smells of that. It really smell. It doesn't smell bad.

1213
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:20.239
Is this smells nice? But it's like a lilac smell.

1214
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:21.680
And there's no lilacs out there.

1215
01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:25.760
Okay, now that's weird.

1216
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:31.439
Yeah, but when the male's around there, I said, when

1217
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:34.000
I mail around, it might be like I said, twice

1218
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:36.239
we smelt that other than that, and all picked me

1219
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:38.720
out and you never smelled anything, even Coach fuks at me.

1220
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.319
But that that these were really bad smells it And

1221
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:43.319
that's the only thing that read people were talking about

1222
01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:47.319
before about these smells. But they will make your eyes

1223
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:50.039
water and it doesn't smell very well good at all.

1224
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.560
But like it says, the light smells pretty pretty good

1225
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:57.159
out there, smells like well powdering yourself with flowers. And

1226
01:10:57.279 --> 01:10:59.079
I said, we don't know where that smell come from either.

1227
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:01.039
There's no plant that I an't put that smell off

1228
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:01.880
lot out there.

1229
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.600
You know, I hear the garbage all right smell, or

1230
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:08.279
I hear about the garbage smell all the time. But

1231
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:11.439
the lilac thing you just mentioned that that's a new one.

1232
01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:13.720
I'd be interested if other people have heard that as

1233
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:15.520
well or smell that.

1234
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.079
Yeah, there's I said, that's only smells in there. You

1235
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.920
get yours, a smell that body handle, you know there's

1236
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:24.520
one nearby or whatever. I mean, worst got brought to

1237
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:28.720
different smells in the pine and whatever seed or uh.

1238
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.439
But when you get smell like that really knows spy.

1239
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:35.760
I mean sometimes I can smell, you know, during hundred

1240
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:37.439
season or something. I can tell when the hunter is

1241
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:39.520
in the ariage. I can smell as old spice. After

1242
01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:40.920
she had said the guy must have been putting on

1243
01:11:41.039 --> 01:11:42.800
I said, I don't know how he's doing any kind

1244
01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:45.079
of hunting, as we can walk in or smell as

1245
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:51.000
old spice. So definitely humans do put off smells. So

1246
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.880
the people of research together, you know, I wouldn't always

1247
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.119
say masks is you know, putting on any kind of

1248
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.000
scent maskers or anything like that. And if you're doing

1249
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:03.800
Bigfoot research, it's not gonna matter. Like I said, they

1250
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:07.640
seem I smoked. They smell that all the time. I've

1251
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:09.720
heard so many different door. Oh if you smoke, they

1252
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:13.000
won't come in. Now that's not true. So I always

1253
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:14.640
just tell people to be normally. You can we hear

1254
01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:17.079
your normal clothes. We wear a lot of camouflage, but

1255
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:18.880
we don't have to. They know you're there.

1256
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:24.800
So right exactly. I mean it for a few reasons.

1257
01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:28.680
I mean, especially if you're driving RVs in there. I mean,

1258
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:31.640
every everything in the forest is definitely gonna know.

1259
01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:36.720
I would imagine. Yeah, yeah, they always seem to be there,

1260
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:41.479
like sometimes when when you least spend had been fulled

1261
01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:44.560
so many numerous times, and like I said, not even

1262
01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:46.960
know they were there. They've been absorbing me the whole

1263
01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:49.319
time most of the night. Didn't even know it. They

1264
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:53.319
never made a sound until like I said, after late night.

1265
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:56.680
Did you even hear moving around and stuff? But they

1266
01:12:56.680 --> 01:12:58.399
were sitting in the spot all the time. We've had

1267
01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:02.319
people they're whistling. They do like human whistles, and then

1268
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:05.880
they may make our whistles a lot. We've heard that

1269
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:09.079
out there many times too. And we know there's no

1270
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:11.920
other humans out there, right because most of the time

1271
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:16.279
when also I can hear everything within miles if a

1272
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:20.119
car drives in or people camping over in a certain area,

1273
01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:22.800
those parabolics will pick that up. We can hear any

1274
01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:25.279
kind of traffic coming in and out, so we'll know

1275
01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:27.680
if there's humans out there in the area. Usually, if

1276
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.479
I have any kind of humans and everything, I just

1277
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:35.560
trashed the audio anyway, because if there's knocking going, it

1278
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:37.920
could be somebody over their chopping wood for their fire

1279
01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:41.079
or whatever, or any kind of weird sounds. We assume

1280
01:13:41.119 --> 01:13:43.600
it's coming from the camp. So you have hours to

1281
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:49.319
take audio, you just trash. Oh wow, because like I said,

1282
01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:54.359
we're trying not to pool ourselves regardless, and I don't want

1283
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:56.399
to sit there and listen at the night and then

1284
01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:58.439
find out where's the guy and his wife are an

1285
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:01.640
argument down the road or whether her So if there's

1286
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:07.000
any kind of human contamination in our audios, eye trash them.

1287
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:12.920
It's good that you put yourself to that level of Yeah,

1288
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.640
I mean, that's it. That's another whole different level that

1289
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:18.680
I don't think a lot of other researchers are doing,

1290
01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:21.119
at least that I've heard. But yeah, that's I mean,

1291
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:22.000
that's even better.

1292
01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:26.319
But well, like I said, it's for us. We're doing

1293
01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:29.319
the answers for ourselves, so I don't want to fool myself.

1294
01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:31.239
But because I mean myself, I mean I've done it.

1295
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.399
I sit there and listen to stuff. Mostly well, if

1296
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:36.479
you especially if you listen to an audio and you talk,

1297
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:39.399
you basically went backwards and forwards. Could I always do

1298
01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:42.079
like a real quick skim of it. I look for

1299
01:14:42.239 --> 01:14:45.680
I don't like a little graph or whatever, and uh,

1300
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:49.840
I'll miss stuff. I'll hear, like good examples. I heard

1301
01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:52.039
all this pounding on the gate and everything, and I

1302
01:14:52.079 --> 01:14:54.079
got all excited everything listen on there and kind of

1303
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:57.520
find out somebody had drove it in during this jet noise.

1304
01:14:57.600 --> 01:14:59.640
I didn't hear them drive up to the gate and

1305
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:02.079
you were actually unlocking the gate and somebody was cutting

1306
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:04.640
your lock off a gate man, and that was going

1307
01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:05.800
on for twenty five minutes.

1308
01:15:06.359 --> 01:15:09.760
Pigs a society, who will be right back after these messages.

1309
01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:27.279
And then you get mad guys. I listened there for

1310
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:29.800
twenty five minutes and realized that, hey, it was a

1311
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:33.439
guy in there. Human. But sometimes the you know, people

1312
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:36.359
can jet noise is a good example. A lot of

1313
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:38.119
stuff can move in there. I'll have a lot of

1314
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.560
good audios and get will fly through there and just

1315
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:45.319
wash all that out. And then you could set the

1316
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:47.239
ends of it like that when the jets come in there.

1317
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:49.560
It kind of just floods out everything. You can't everything

1318
01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:53.600
on jet noise. But like I said, people, human people

1319
01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.000
can come in there and they're jet noise and we're

1320
01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:59.279
right there. Not I would say almost at the end

1321
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:04.039
of a patterns for Seattle is their takeoff from seven

1322
01:16:04.119 --> 01:16:07.680
pm to about ten thirty it's it's like every twenty

1323
01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:10.359
minutes that they're going off, you can hear the get

1324
01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:13.640
flying there and it just washese out. So we're listening

1325
01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:17.039
more to stuff at night, you know, from ten thirty one,

1326
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:20.479
after dark and late more stuff when it gets really

1327
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:22.479
super quiet, and then you can hear a lot more

1328
01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:25.479
stuff going that way. But I hear stuff there in

1329
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:29.319
the day sometimes I didn't realize, you know, movements when

1330
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:33.319
I set my farms out there. Sometimes when I walk

1331
01:16:33.319 --> 01:16:35.399
to the side out I'll just dump equipment, I call

1332
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:37.920
it and I'll leave it over night and come back

1333
01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:40.960
pick up in the morning. But I've set stuff in

1334
01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:45.079
there bitch black at night, probably midnight or whatever, and

1335
01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:47.960
as I'm walking off, I'm hearing something walk up to

1336
01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.119
my parabolic at the same time. No way, and we

1337
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:53.800
always tak Yeah, I've had that many times. I said,

1338
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.680
there go Wow, didn't you know something was there? Or

1339
01:16:56.880 --> 01:16:58.760
as we walk towards it, you know, to pick it

1340
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:01.960
up in the night or sometimes in early morning, you

1341
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.680
can hear creature just had stepped off the road into

1342
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:07.399
the bresh He was been there playing there for several hours.

1343
01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:09.239
You didn't know. We don't know it when we walk

1344
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:15.039
up there and he's just a few feet away. Oh well,

1345
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:16.880
I said, it was dark out there, and I do

1346
01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:19.840
this stuff by myself all the time, and that's a

1347
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:21.760
matter of fact. Had happened last year. It said that

1348
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:26.000
they walked. I've probably got twenty twenty five feet. I said,

1349
01:17:26.000 --> 01:17:27.520
my parabolic there and all of a sudden it got

1350
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.880
hit by a rock and there's pitch black out there,

1351
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:33.319
and I said, it nailed it, this dead center on

1352
01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:36.479
my parabolic knocked it over and go back pick it up.

1353
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:40.600
But I heard that, Oh my goodness, Oh wow, wow.

1354
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:43.279
But they're very good. That's you said that. It shows

1355
01:17:43.359 --> 01:17:45.199
the DA have night vision really well, because like I said,

1356
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:47.760
they pick up the targets really well, even at night

1357
01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:49.319
with walks.

1358
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:55.319
Well, man, Ben, it's fascinating stuff. I mean, these areas

1359
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.720
that you guys are looking into is just is just

1360
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:00.640
wild and I want to say, you know, thank you

1361
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:03.560
so much for coming back on the show again. It

1362
01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:07.039
was really fun chatting with you again about what you're

1363
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:12.760
experiencing in that area. Did you have any final thoughts

1364
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:16.279
before we wind down for the episode.

1365
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:19.039
I just want people would be careful out there when

1366
01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:21.439
they're researching is Like I said, I don't take everything

1367
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:24.279
for granted. There's pig foot, there's other creatures out there

1368
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:27.600
that will I mean, there's bears, and he's always on

1369
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:31.760
the verge caution or whatever. I said. People really I

1370
01:18:31.800 --> 01:18:34.960
know people like to get that experience or whatever, but

1371
01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:37.800
don't get yourself purp doing it. Like I said, these

1372
01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:43.279
guys are not always friendly either, so very seldom I

1373
01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:45.319
should say very seldom friendly. Could people like to call

1374
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:48.159
them little forest friends and stuff like that, and from

1375
01:18:48.159 --> 01:18:50.520
my experience in their behavior, they're not like that at all.

1376
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:52.960
So they kind of want to be let alone, especially

1377
01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:55.600
the adults. And if you ever get the chance to

1378
01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:58.039
do see you and it's great, but like I said,

1379
01:18:58.039 --> 01:19:01.119
it maybe closer than you think. So othern I just

1380
01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:02.800
want people to be safe when they're out there doing

1381
01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.960
this stuff, like I says, when I'm doing this for

1382
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:07.279
like I said, we're doing it for our own answer

1383
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:08.680
if we don't try to sit there and try to

1384
01:19:08.680 --> 01:19:11.840
say it exists, and shouldn't try to push my thoughts

1385
01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.079
or my belief on somebody else either. So let people

1386
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:17.439
experience for themselves and they make their own decisions.

1387
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:24.159
Absolutely, guys, you can follow along with what Bigfoot Ops

1388
01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:28.520
is doing on their Facebook page. I'll have that linked

1389
01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:33.000
in the description or show notes for this so people

1390
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:33.800
can check that out.

1391
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:36.720
For some of my other experiences under too, they can

1392
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:39.520
they can see like the other sidings I've had, so

1393
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:41.720
and I had descriptions of the creatures and all that

1394
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:42.720
kind of good stuff for him.

1395
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:45.640
Well there you go. Yeah, thank you again for coming

1396
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:46.119
on the show.

1397
01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:49.079
Ben, Thank you Dermin for having me. I mean, if

1398
01:19:49.079 --> 01:19:50.960
I ever find something else, I'll let you know again.

1399
01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:53.800
I'll give you a call. Thank you, sir. So appreciate it.

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All right, great talking to you. Thank you.

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I just want to take a few minutes to say

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thank you to you listeners for listening to the podcast.

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Please take a minute to help out the show by

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subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so

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you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on

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YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us

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on a podcast, thank you so much, make sure that

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you're subscribed. Share the show with a friend. Really, it's

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all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've

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had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following or know

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someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

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Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

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McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

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the north part. If you get what I mean. I'll

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see you back next time. Listeners. SASA Summerfest this year

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July eleventh through the twelfth. It's going to be fantastic.

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July eleventh through twelfth in Greenwaters Park and Oakridge, Oregon.

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And listeners, if you're going to go, you can get

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a two day ticket for the cost of one if

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you use the code b F S like Bigfoot Society

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but BFS and I'll get used some off your cost.

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Priscilla wasn't nice enough to provide that for my listeners.

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So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there,

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so make sure you head over to www dot Sasquatch

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summerfest dot com and pick up your tickets today