Jan. 1, 2026

Veteran Comes Face-To-Face With Giant Sasquatch In Utah’s Ogden Canyon Mountains

Veteran Comes Face-To-Face With Giant Sasquatch In Utah’s Ogden Canyon Mountains
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Season 1

In this episode, an Army veteran and lifelong Bigfoot researcher shares chilling first-hand encounters with massive Sasquatch in Northern Utah’s Ogden Canyon and Monte Cristo Range. What began as a late-night drive through the Wasatch Mountains turned into a terrifying face-to-face encounter with an eight-foot-tall humanoid figure, complete with eye shine, a human-like scowl, and overwhelming presence.


Years later, during a winter trip above Pineview Reservoir, the witness experiences a second encounter—this time involving two Sasquatch, including what appeared to be an older and younger individual displaying protective behavior. He describes strange vocalizations, cloaking or camouflage-like movement, enormous tracks in the snow, and a tense standoff that ended without violence.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all.

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Right, Big for Society, Welcome back to another episode. We've

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got mister Matt Anderson on the show.

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Today.

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We got connected about a situation that Matt ran into

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out there in northern Utah. Welcome to the show, Matt.

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How are you doing today?

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Thanks for having me. I'm doing great yourself.

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Absolutely, It's actually not too cold out here in Iowa today,

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so we're digging that. A few things about Matt that

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listeners will want to know. He is an Army veteran.

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Thank you for your service. Definitely with that, Matt. And also,

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we were talking a little bit before the show how

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he would categorize himself. And he's been into the Bigfoot

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for about a year and he's kind of at the

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point where enthusiast turned researcher, and there is that turning point,

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so he's getting out there. You're actually getting out there

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quite a bit. And we'll probably talk about that later.

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But anything else that the listeners would would need to

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know about you, Matt before we get started.

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Well, so I've been doing the research on and off

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for about a year, but I've been into the subject,

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I don't know, since I was five, so probably close

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to thirty years thirty five years, so ever since I

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could read, I've been picking up and reading big Foot books.

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Oh okay, was there a certain book that got you

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hooked onto it or a movie or anything like that.

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Well, I think, honestly, if I was honest, I think

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it was my dad that got me turned on to it.

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He had and in sort of an encounter he used

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to cut Christmas trees back in the day, him and

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my uncle did Christmas trees, and he told me the

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story about that he him and my uncle smelled something

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or heard something up in Billings, Montana, and ever since then,

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I've been hooked, and I found books in the libraries

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that talked about all the you know, the Albert Osman's

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story and all those So I've I've been hooked since then,

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and I think it's just recently I've been able to

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actually get out and do more of a more actual

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on the ground research and get into it more.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah, so you were into the classics from an early age.

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I mean, the Albert Osman story is a definite classic

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listeners check that out if you haven't already.

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But was there a.

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Thing that made you do the switch over to actually

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starting to go out into the woods and the mountains

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to see if you could figure out anything yourself.

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I honestly think it it was probably my wife just

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kind of given me the opportunity to go out and

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do it. With doing my schedule used to be so

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packed and everything that I never thought that I could

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actually get out and do the things I wanted to do,

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and she just she pushed. She's helped me do like

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reach out and get my goals. And you know, ever

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since I was little, my mom I had awards from

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school you know, just uh, you know, bigfoot hunter and

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stuff like that, and I just never thought it would

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be possible for me to actually get out and do

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the research. And she's pushed me to my goals and

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has helped me and supported me along the way. So

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I think that's that's pretty much what it has got

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me out there to do, is like, you know, like

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making believe anything's possible.

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Now, I'm going to go ahead and pass the mic

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over to you and and take us back to when

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this particular encounter happened to you that you had shared

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with me earlier.

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All right, So there was two encounters that I had

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in there, and they're both within ten miles of each other.

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So the first one, I'm trying to remember the date exactly.

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I think it was a fall of two thousand and four.

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I was up with the girl that I was dating

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at the time. We were up just driving around in

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the back with the mountains, and so it got late

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and we're leaving, you know, And I had to trying

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to remember exactly that was while we were leaving, but

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it was late. We were heading out and the road

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that was on it switched backs. It like I think

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you go up in almost five hundred feet in elevation

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on the switchbacks, and I hit the first switchback coming up,

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and at the time, I had a ninety six Bronco,

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you know, and I had it straight pipe thought I

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was cool and all that stuff in a loud truck.

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So I was coming up driving fairly nice because she

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didn't like it when I hot rotted it on dirt roads.

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So I'm driving nice. They hit this switch back and

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my headlights pat something I seen eye shine and you know,

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always being into it, I was like, did I just think?

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Did I see what I thought I seen? And so

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I stopped and throw it in reverse and she's like, well,

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can we just keep going? I was like, did you

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see it? She said, yes, I seen it, and I'm

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backing up trying to I want to and she starts

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almost crying at this point, wanting to leave, and so

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I start going out and she's like, hey, can we

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go a little faster? And I was like, okay, So

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I'm going faster, and by the time I got to

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the point where it was fast enough for her, I

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was doing sixty to sixty five miles an hour. And

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I told her, I said, nothing's going to catch us

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at this point because she's wanted to leave fast. It's

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like there's nothing in North America that's gonna catch us.

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You know, there's cheetahs an't here and we're not, you know.

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And so we get out, and I think I talked

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it to a couple people, and even to this day,

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I don't think we've really even she's never talked about it.

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Like I've talked about it with some people and she

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kind of goes, yeah, you know, uh, never really brings

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it up. But that happened. Then I've gone back into

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the area and looked in the area and the creature

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what it like. I'm pretty sure it was bigfoot. I

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don't really like condum creatures, you know, because we know

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what it is. He was probably about eight foot tall,

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like if if you know, in that area. All I

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seen was his face, and so it was a quick

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glance because it had like just passing over his face

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and he was not very happy that I was there.

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What I can equate it to his facial expression was

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the movie Grand Trina with Clint Eastwood when he's mad

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scatting but they're on there lawn ah and like it

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just like he had. Really I seen his face, like

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his you can see kind of how I got a beard,

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but his beard was higher, and you just seen his

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eyes and he had more of a round it head,

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not a conical head, which threw me off, you know,

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because it's you hear these stories about the conical heads

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all the time, and like trying to because I didn't

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really want to say I blocked out of my mind.

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But it just never got brought up, even though that

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I was into the subject so much. And that was

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two thousand and four, and so you know, I went

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through life me and so I married that girl. We

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ended up getting divorced, but we're still friends now and

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so we kind of talked. I tried to talk to

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her about it every now and then, but she just

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doesn't really like bringing it up, so I leave it alone.

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And then the next encounter I had was in twenty twenty.

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I had taken everything was shut down and I was

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getting my son into hunter safety. He was twelve at

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the time. And the area that I was going so

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he could take him out and do his shooting because

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we had to take him out to film it and

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do all these things with him. The area I wanted

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to go to they had a gate, so we took

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the side by side and there wasn't we didn't have

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very much snow that year, and so I was able

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to get it up pretty far with the side by

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side and still be on the asphalt road. And I

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took him into this spot and we did our shooting.

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He did all this stuff he needed to do, so

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I was like, all right, well we're done, let's let's

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play around on the side by sides. We're playing in

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the snow, and I want to go down this road

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and nobody there's no tracks, so we're gonna be the

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first people down there. And I just felt like I

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shouldn't be going down there, like it was a main

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like it's a main road, not a main road, but

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a dirt road in the summertime. And there was probably

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about a foot of snow. And then like, well, we'll

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just turn around. We're head home, Like I just fell off.

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So we start heading down back down the asphalt and

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we got power lines that run through the mountains, and

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you know, they cross over the roads and everything, and

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I and we're getting black bears back in our area

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and then passing this, uh this I wouldn't even call

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it a meadow, but we're passing underneath the power lines

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of where it's cut out and the power lines have

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that fur fur furrol fare if you. I look up

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to my right and I see something in it. At first,

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I think it was a black bear, like standing up

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next to a tree. So I said, oh, that's neat,

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and I didn't say anything to him. But I start

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looking again, I'm like, that wasn't a black bear. So

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I had passed it. I stopped, put it reverse and

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backed up. And as I'm backing up, I actually put

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it the side by side in the ditch on accident,

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trying to get back quick. So I tell my kid.

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I said, hey, stay here. He's like okay, and he's like,

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what do you doing. I was like, just stay here,

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don't worry about it. So I get out and I

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start walking up into the trees and I can see

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it and the way it was kind of like I

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described before as a reflective light. But that that doesn't

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make sense now that I'm thinking about it. But you know,

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as you're driving down the freeway, and I got those

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billboards or whatever that as you're looking at it one way,

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it says something. As you pass it another way, the

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angles change. It's kind of looked like, really, I don't

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want to say blocky but like a pixelated almost And

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as I stand behind this tree, it wasn't a very

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thick tree. It was enough to kind of cover my

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mid section, but I could, like you did still see

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me on the outside of it, Uh pull a rout.

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Like I stand around this tree and it's standing broadside

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to me, about fifty yards away, and you know, I

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was like, uh, I kind of froze for a little bit.

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And we're standing and standing each other i'd say five

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ten seconds, and he let out a huff and all

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like like he was standing in his ground like you know,

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getting like tense and up, and I pulled my side

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arm out and dropped back to my knee and uh,

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like back behind the tree, and we're just standing there

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looking at each other, and a and another one stepped

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out in front of him in a protective manner, and

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it I I can't you know, I don't know for sure,

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but I think it was the one that I seen

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in two thousand and four, Like it was his. He

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was older, looked the facial everything looked the same. His

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goatee was gray but thicker and like he at this point,

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it looked like a His head looked like a conical head.

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But I think it's because he had a receding hairline,

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like it was going back, and his when he stepped

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out in front his like the whole demeanor of the

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situation changed, like everything just calmed down. Like the younger one.

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I think it was like a father son or a

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grandpa and son or grandpa and grandson, because the other one,

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the younger one, was you can tell that he was

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just more stout and more filled out. And you know,

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he was a darker not a darker gray, but his

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his skin was a gray and he was darker black

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like his hair was. And when the older one stepped out,

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he had a salt and pepper look like you could

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just tell he was older. His goatee was bushy, and

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he wrinkles in his face, and it looked like the

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one that I seen earlier. And so like when the

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situation calm down, and still sitting there on my knee

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with my pistol, and like I felt like everything like

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it wasn't gonna attack. Neither of them were gonna attack.

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So I was like, oh, I need to take a picture.

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And then I was like, oh, sorry, my kid has

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my phone. Oh my kid's by himself and the side

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by side, and so I retracted back down there. We

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got in the side by side, or I got jumped

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in and he was like, would you see and I

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was like nothing, and I took off out of there.

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I he knew something was up because I was going

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down a lot faster down the mountain road than we

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did coming up. So I took him back. I told

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my wife, said, hey, I've seen something. I contacted the

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guy that does he's been doing bigfoot research in Utah

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for quite a while. He's like and he's he said,

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I'm just leaving Logan now I can meet you back

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up there in an hour, and I said okay. So

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we went back up. I dropped my boy off, I

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grabbed my rifle instead of just my side arm, just

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just in case, you know. I went back up with

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him and we went back to the area and documented.

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So there was tracks and it looked like they were

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walking in each other's tracks. And he told me that

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he's seen it a lot, that they try to cover

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how many are in their group. But they walked from

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like from where I was standing trying to think. So

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the road was going north and so I walked into

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the east side of the going up east side of

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the mountain, and so I was facing east and he

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was facing west, and so the tracks came from the north,

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wrapped around the trees and the power lines, and where

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the power lines opened up, they skirted the edge of

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the trees and walked down the hill like they were

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walking down heading towards town, if you will. And they

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went and we followed as far as we'd go until

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they went into private broad and so we stopped there.

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And then later on, like a week or two later,

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I went back up and put up game cameras. It's

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actually this time of year that that happened in twenty twenty,

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so it was in December. I think it was December

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fifth that the incident happened, if I remember correctly. So

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we went up about this time of year in twenty

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twenty and set up game cameras, but I think everything

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was out of the area by that chant by that time. Wow,

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that was that was those encounters.

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Some wild stuff right off to bat Matt, My goodness,

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are are we able to discuss it all?

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Well?

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I guess the areas where these two sightings happened. It

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doesn't have to be super specific. If you don't want to.

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Oh yeah, So it is a it's up Ogden Canyon

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and you go up it's the Monte Crystal range of

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the Wahsage mounta Ones and the area that the first

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encounter happened is called Curtis Creek. And so the road

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I was on it was right out of ARBs Basin

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and Curtis Creek is down further, like it's just Curtis

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Creek Road. That's kind of what it's known as in

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this area. And I'm trying to remember the name of

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that highway that goes up there. It's everybody calls it

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like it's up by Aunt Flat Road. It connects Weaver

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Canyon or Ogden Canyon, sorry to Logan Canyon. Ant Flat

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Road does. And I've thought to a lot of people

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and they get weird. They don't say bigfoot, They're like, yeah,

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something's throwing rocks at me. So that area has stuff

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happening in it, and I go up there quite a bit.

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It's also near let's see, it's it's close to Snow

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Basin Ski Resort, sorry, not snow based in Powder Mountain.

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So if anybody knows what that area is, it's in

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that area above of Pineview Reservoir.

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Gotcha, and it sounds like it's a pretty active area.

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I did a quick search and there's bfros BFROL reports

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in this range going all the way back to seventy

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seven for sightings, which is pretty cool that there have been.

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There's a sighting in seventy seven, there's one in ninety nine,

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very very cool stuff. So the area where you had

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the visual in two thousand and four and then the

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area in twenty twenty, how far away from each other

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are those areas.

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As the crow flies. I would say probably ten miles,

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but like if you're on the road fall on the road,

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you're probably close to fifteen maybe, Yeah, So they're not

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very far apart. It's very close in proximity of each

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other where they're at.

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Gotcha. With the two thousand and four visual you had

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used the you had used the idea of like it

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looked like Clint Eastwood in Grand Tarino. And was that

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because of the emotion it was conveying or because it

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actually had some very human like features to the face.

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I'd say a little bit of both. It was the

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emotions that it put off, but it was very I'd

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say it was. And with my encounters. I know everybody's

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had different encounters on what they look like, but I

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have a hard time when everybody says that they're it

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was an ape like, but it so because what I

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seen was very human like. It was the the emotions,

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the scal like and I didn't see much of the

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lips because it was covered in hair and it it

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looked like a beard, not like like fur, you know,

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it was it was a beard and he had the

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you know, the the froud brow and it was very human.

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So that's as much as it looked human.

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Gotcha?

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How many seconds and all would you say the two

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thousand and four to one last lasted?

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I'd say five, like cause I was I was doing

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probably twenty five around the bend, maybe slower, but it

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was just my headlights passed it and I seen it,

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and I watched until the headlights passed, my head turned

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and then I hit the brakes. Well, I mean this

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sight sighting scene, it was about five seconds, but we

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were down there for probably twenty thirty me backing up

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trying to get back to see it, and my girlfriend

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at the time, like we were going back and forth

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about trying to get back up over there. So i'd

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only backed up. I probably drove past the site for

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about twenty thirty feet and I only backed up probably fifteen.

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Gotcha, did it seem to be doing anything when you

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first had the vision of it? Was it doing any actions?

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He just standing there staring like I'm sure the feeling

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that I got is that he was mad that I

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was there, like I was disrupting his peace, Like because

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my truck was loud, I was. I wasn't driving fast.

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I feel like I was driving fast for the conditions.

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I shouldn't have been driving as fast as I was,

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especially on that road end at night. But like that's

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how I just felt like he was like like dang kids,

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you know, or like you know, like someone's hot rodding

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down my road. That's what it felt like.

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Yeah, absolutely, man, that's that is so so weird. For

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the twenty twenty sighting where you had the visual of

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one by the tree, it sounds like it's kind of

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a similar experience that it was just standing there alhen

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I first saw.

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It, Yeah, when I because when I rounded this the

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location with on a bend, it come around and it bent,

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and uh, I was just kind of looking, you know,

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just watching and I seen it and it when I

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first seen it, because I thought it was a like

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a black bear scratching its back on the tree. That's

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what I thought. And then it looked harder and looked

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looked back like that's not a black bear like it was.

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It was massive. The first creature or the first big foot,

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he was probably eight and a half foot and like

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the the younger one, I guess, I'll say I refering

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to the younger one, he was probably eight and a

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half foot. The older one was a little shorter, but

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it looked like he was kind of a I wouldn't

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say hunchback, but like not as not as proud. I

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guess that's like, you know, he didn't have his shoulders

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held his high, but he was just as wide. You know.

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It looked like a piece of plywood sitting there just

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there they were. They were massive. Uh. And when I

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I refer it to, uh, do you know who Brian

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Shaw is world strong man?

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I believe so.

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Yeah, that's like his stature is what it reminded me of.

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Is it just how big he was and the muscle

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density like you like, and I think and like when

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I'm looking thinking back on it, you couldn't really see

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too much of skin. You could see gray underlinings, but

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it felt like maybe they had a winter coat on

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or something like. The skin the hair was thicker and

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it was just like, you know, it was thick on

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the chest and throughout the whole body. But you could

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see you could see things, you know, but it was

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they were just muscle like. The younger one was more

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defined and muscle wise. The older one you could tell

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that he wasn't it wasn't as defined, but he was

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still had a lot of muscle density.

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M gotcha. M.

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You had mentioned that it kind of looked black slash pixelated. Yeah,

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can you can you go into that a little bit more?

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I find that really interesting going off of other things

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I've heard.

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Yeah, it's kind of hard to explain. For me to

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explain it, I'm not very good with words. But it

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just looked when I was behind the tree and trying

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to look at him without getting like full frontal, because

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I was kind of hiding from trade to tree, and

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when I went like when I stepped out, it looked

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like he just maybe like turned maybe he wasn't full

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uh broadside to me, and it kind of Yeah, it's

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it's like the like a mirror. And that's when I said,

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a reflective light like a mirror, turning like you're seeing

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the full picture of it now. And uh, I've talked

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to a couple other guys that are like, oh, he

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was probably cloaking like Predator, and it wouldn't say it

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kind of looked like that from the movies, but I

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wouldn't say one percent. Yeah, he was cloaking like it.

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It looked like like like mirror ish if you will,

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until I went full so we were brought broadside to

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each other, and then it was full on. You know,

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I could see everything.

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That's really interesting, So just to check a few things.

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So are you saying like when it wasn't Yeah, that

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is a really hard concept to grasp. So at one

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point then were you able to see half through it

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or just not all the details in a way.

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I'd say not all the details. I wouldn't say all

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the way through it, like kind of you know when

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someone holds like they got those they set up mirrors

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to make a what they call it like camouflage, where

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they set up mirror so it just looks like the

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rest of everything. That's kind of the best way that

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I can describe it. That's what it looked like. So

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I wouldn't even say it was half mirror and half

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cloaking like predator looking kind of thing, because I could

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see and I don't know if it was just me

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trying to comprehend everything that was going on but uh,

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or if he was just standing weird and then when

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I went broadside of him, he went broadside to me

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and it was just full on, you know, full on site. Wow.

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That that is really fascinating. And I mean there's depending

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on what it actually is, there's different ways to look

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at that. I mean, if you take the physical creatures side,

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I mean, there are other animals in this world where

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they can make themselves invisible or you know, camouflage like

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an octopus can camouflage immediately, right, So there are other

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things that can do that. But then you have, you know,

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maybe more the paranormal side, where you know you're looking into, Okay,

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can this thing do things like cloaking like you had said,

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or is it you know, halfway in a portal or

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is it coming out of a portal? You know, And

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we don't know because we haven't been able to to uh,

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to really study them in the way that would need

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to be studied to figure that out. So it is

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a fascinating encounter because I think the main, the main

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part of it that really fascinates me is that you

465
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:32.119
were able to see something happen, and we don't know

466
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:35.160
if it's because of what the creature was doing or

467
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:39.480
because of maybe the position that you were looking at

468
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.440
and you were changing positions. Is so many questions that

469
00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:44.440
come from from this one encounter, you know.

470
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.960
Yeah, And I never even thought about the portal thing

471
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.720
until you just said that because the older one, I

472
00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:54.640
didn't see him until he stepped out in front of him,

473
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:58.200
like even my peripherals or anything. And but I've always

474
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.960
thought that maybe because I was so focused on that one,

475
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.480
I had tunnel vision on him, so I didn't I

476
00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:06.400
never seen him until he stepped out in front.

477
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:12.640
Yeah, that's tricky too, because it's like, could be portal.

478
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:15.759
But I mean, if you have I'm sure you've seen

479
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:20.240
pictures of like a mountain lion in camouflage or like

480
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.240
a what is it? I saw one of an owl

481
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:26.519
against a tree and it was like you would never

482
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:31.359
know it was there until it started moving. Wild wild stuff.

483
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:36.160
So it's It's cool because it could be the encounter

484
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.079
could be taken either way.

485
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.240
That one part.

486
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.480
Now you mentioned that you've you've been able to meet

487
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:49.319
this another researcher, that is much more. I mean, it

488
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:54.880
sounds like this researcher has been into this for multiple

489
00:26:54.960 --> 00:26:56.000
multiple years.

490
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.799
Yeah, I think he's been doing it for twenty plus years.

491
00:26:59.119 --> 00:26:59.319
Wow.

492
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:02.119
Here he does a lot of stuff up in Deadwood.

493
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:10.559
Also absolutely Now based on conversations with him after that happened,

494
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.839
or maybe your own research, have you heard of any

495
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:19.920
other experiences in this area where a similar thing happens

496
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:24.119
where you know it kind of has this this weird

497
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:26.599
BLOCKI or pixelated thing happened.

498
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.359
I haven't heard too much of the pixelater of the

499
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.839
blocky thing happened. But when I was talking to him

500
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.759
in two when I'm trying to remember, I met him

501
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.759
in twenty sixteen and we talked about my first encounter

502
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.960
and his friend that he had with him. Halfway through

503
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:48.680
describing what I seen, he stopped and then finished describing it.

504
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.279
So he we believe we've seen the same creature. It's

505
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.400
in the same area, like the same Monte Cristo area.

506
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.240
He was just further in off the pavement than I

507
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:02.279
was when he's seen it, and he said that he

508
00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:05.279
was setting up his tent and stood up and it

509
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:07.240
was looking it was on the other side of the tent,

510
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.839
looking at him. Then casually it was like not kneeling, kneeling,

511
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:13.880
and it stood up and casually walked away.

512
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.599
Oh my goodness, I can't imagine that. I mean, that's

513
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.200
that's literally feet away. Yeah right, I mean unless your

514
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.519
tent is massive, which most people are not going to

515
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:25.440
have a massive tent out there, I would imagine.

516
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:32.240
But oh so, and talking to like when I started

517
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.680
actually getting into the research, had to just you know,

518
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.680
listen to the stories, which I love listening to the stories,

519
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.359
like you know, all the podcasts out there and every

520
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.960
I loved listening to people's and counter stories. When I

521
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:47.880
started actually doing research and talking to people, people have

522
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:52.039
described the same bigfoot that I've seen throughout the entire

523
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:57.640
wastage Front from Idaho down into Beaver And that's two

524
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:01.240
three hundred mile range.

525
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:03.680
Oh yeah, that puts a whole different spin on it.

526
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:09.559
Then my theory is on it. I've heard story or

527
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.519
not stories, but tell of like a seven year cycle

528
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.440
with the wildlife, right, I don't know if you've heard

529
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.440
about that. I feel like they just follow the food

530
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.480
and they don't overeat the area that they're in. They

531
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:25.000
just keep moving. They're kind of a nomad, and so

532
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.640
I think maybe they were back in the area when

533
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.359
I seen them in twenty twenty and they're just coming

534
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:34.720
down into the lower elevation for food, like because it

535
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.240
was two males possibly hunting, you know, looking for food.

536
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.519
And that's my theory because they've been seen from Idaho

537
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:47.720
down to Beaver throughout the entire wash Age range. And

538
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:50.480
I don't know if it's the same ones or different

539
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.319
families or different clans or however they operate.

540
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.519
Okay, can you explain a little more of what the

541
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.119
seven years cycle is?

542
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.839
I can try, and I'm not even I've just heard,

543
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:06.880
you know, my dad and old farmers talk about it.

544
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:10.400
So the seven year cycle is like the food in

545
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.119
the area goes through a seven year cycle, like they'll

546
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.160
eat this area and so they don't stay in this

547
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.799
area the entire time. They'll move on kind of like

548
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:24.440
regenerated regenerative farming, So you move the animals from one

549
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.160
area two different areas so they don't overeat it and

550
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:29.359
you don't bring them back to that area for a while,

551
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.359
So like those animals don't come back into this area

552
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.079
for another seven years or something like that. If I

553
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:36.640
think that's how it goes.

554
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.079
Okay, yeah, that makes sense. So if the the food

555
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.559
source moves, then the predators are going to move as well.

556
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.559
Okay yeah, and that that lines up where you and

557
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.440
I've talked to a few hunters out in the will

558
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:56.319
LaMotte National Forest near Oakridge, Oregon, and I mean they

559
00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.000
they were able to show me on maps.

560
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.000
It was crazy.

561
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.200
They were like, this is where the l Kurds are

562
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.480
here here here at this time, and this is where

563
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.279
all the bigfoot sightings are happening. So it's like you

564
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.920
can see the Bigfoot pretty much following the l Kurds

565
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:12.880
as they move around.

566
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:14.279
Crazy crazy stuff.

567
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.799
Are you at the point, Matt, where people are are

568
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.279
coming to you or you are able to talk to

569
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:27.799
other witnesses in the area about their encounters they're having.

570
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.480
I'm trying to and I've got some people lined up

571
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:37.079
do some interviews. I started my own little research channel,

572
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:41.079
face or a YouTube channel and stuff. This last year

573
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.119
has been hectic because of work and stuff like that.

574
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:45.960
And I told my wife this year, I'm doing one

575
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.039
hundred percent into the YouTube and the research. I'm doing

576
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.480
the stuff. So this year I've got people lined up

577
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.759
to do interviews. I've had a couple interviews last year

578
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.759
with a couple guys from Montana, some friends that I

579
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:03.960
have up there. So that's that's the end goal is

580
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.039
to get more interviews and more people talking about it.

581
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:08.559
That's awesome.

582
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.400
I would recommend you know, just to decide if you're

583
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:16.039
able to have people actually come on camera for interview.

584
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.160
I think that is. I mean, I've started to do

585
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.200
it myself as we're doing now, but I think it's

586
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.319
it's one of the most powerful things because you know,

587
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.960
someone who stumbles onto your channel, they can be like, oh,

588
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:32.200
this is an actual, real person, not AI, not some

589
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.839
weird computer voice, like this is an actual person, and

590
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.720
they are. You can see their emotions and how they

591
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.200
were affected by this. So uh, it'd be it'll be

592
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.079
fun to see where your channel goes, and I'll make

593
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:49.640
sure to have that linked in the description for this.

594
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.079
But what what is your goal through all of the

595
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.599
you know, bigfoot research and fieldwork that you're starting to do.

596
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.160
The end goal in the in the research all this

597
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:02.519
is to prove that he exists, right, you know, whether

598
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.240
there's something out there. But for me, I think the

599
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:06.799
only way that you're gonna be able to prove it

600
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:12.000
is a body. But I am also I'm I'm against

601
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:14.920
you know, killing of the Bigfoot, but I think that's

602
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:16.839
the only way you're gonna be able to do it because

603
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.880
there's been so many people out there that have I

604
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.279
feel like, have proven that have evidence, you know, DNA

605
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.240
evidence through hair or something like that, and then all

606
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.880
of a sudden, like it's gone, oh we lost your

607
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.759
thing or it, you know, it gets covered up somehow.

608
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.079
But even then, I think even if you had a body,

609
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.960
it would get covered up. So it's you know, the

610
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:41.039
end goal is to prove that show some sort of existence,

611
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:46.319
whether it's you know, uh, DNA evidence, footprints, or even

612
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.720
it's also just a fun way for me to get

613
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.960
out into the woods and just you know, reconnect with

614
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:56.920
the woods. And I don't have fun. I enjoyed doing it.

615
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.519
And it's also there for a little bit I did

616
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:03.720
struggle with PTSD, so this has helped me get past

617
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:05.480
some of those hurdles and stuff like that.

618
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:12.119
Absolutely, when you've been out in the areas where you

619
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:17.320
are researching and trying to have encounters, etc. Have you

620
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.679
experienced any other weird things out there that are kind

621
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.840
of outside the realm of being normal?

622
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:30.079
There was It was the weekend after Thanksgiving. I was

623
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.000
in a different area up Logan Canyon, and this is

624
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.360
probably a forty to fifty mile as a crow flies

625
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.880
distance away. I went up there just to kind of

626
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:46.480
drive around and do some research, but I didn't realize

627
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:48.599
how many people go up and cut Christmas trees down.

628
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:50.840
So it was I got up there at like five

629
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.880
o'clock in the morning, got up into this area that

630
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:55.599
I've been trying to get to for the past couple

631
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.719
of years, and I have a modified Moronco that I

632
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.079
take up. I was able to get into it this

633
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.039
area because the cup past couple of times, It's kind

634
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.559
of it felt like the universe was stopping me. I

635
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.440
got up there a couple of years ago and my

636
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.559
transmission was overheating and puking out transmission fluid, so I

637
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.480
had to turn around go home. The next time I

638
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.079
went up, I went up with my brother and our

639
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.079
side by side and I didn't put fuel in it

640
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.280
before we last left camp, and I didn't realize it

641
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.559
until we got to the turnoff to get to this area.

642
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:26.800
The fuel light was flashing, so we had to turn

643
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.960
around and go back, and by the time we got

644
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.719
fuel in it, the temperature dropped so bad that my

645
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:35.760
battery went bad and the side by side wouldn't stay running.

646
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:39.199
So I got up there, and I was really excited

647
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.719
to get up there. Started walking around and something fell off.

648
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.400
It was about the same thing that I had when

649
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.239
I was in when I took my boy out. And

650
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.480
so I'm walking around just kind of talking and talking

651
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:56.280
to the camera, you know, talking about footprints. Because I

652
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.079
was going over I seen it was probably an elk

653
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.320
track or something like that. So I walked next to

654
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.639
it to show what footprints and everything looked like. And

655
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.519
then I was turning around. I walked, you know, in

656
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.760
the uh in the big footway of one foot right

657
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:12.800
in front of the other and trying to stride out,

658
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.159
showing how difficult it is and what it looks like

659
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:20.079
between a regular, you know, regular human walking. And then

660
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.440
I just felt like I was being watched and there's

661
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:26.639
something And then I started heading back towards the truck,

662
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:29.639
and without even noticing it, I was whispering to the

663
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.719
camera and kind of jogging from chee to tree, and

664
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.960
I realized I was doing it, and so I stopped,

665
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:37.880
and then I was hearing I wouldn't even say it

666
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.920
was footprints. It was like trees cracking or something like

667
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.960
something moving around. But I couldn't hear footprints or something walking,

668
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.599
but I could hear something in the trees almost. I

669
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.159
really wanted to stay, because that's what you know, that's

670
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.079
what we're out there for, to find things like that.

671
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:58.199
But I was by myself, and I was it was.

672
00:36:58.280 --> 00:36:59.960
I was too creeped out to do it by myself.

673
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.960
So I got back in the truck and on the

674
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.840
way back out, I damaged the front end of my

675
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.760
Bronco and I couldn't unlock my hubs, and so I

676
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.519
couldn't drive home. I had to wait for a trailer

677
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.559
to come up the next day, so I had to

678
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.079
stay the night up there, and I switched everything over

679
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:20.920
from summer to winter, like I get on my I

680
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:22.880
always have a tent in there. So I had to

681
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.440
stay the night, and I'm sure this was my mind

682
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.639
playing tricks on me, but throughout the night I kept

683
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.800
waking up and hearing things but I think about four

684
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:35.039
o'clock in the morning it started snowing, and so I

685
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.360
think it was the snow coming down and just you know,

686
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.360
baronic pressure changing things. And yeah, it was kind of

687
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:44.519
I didn't get very much sleep because I kept hearing

688
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.199
things and it could have just been me amped up

689
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:48.880
and thinking that I was hearing things too.

690
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.320
Oh my goodness, that story could have ended way differently

691
00:37:53.480 --> 00:38:00.239
if you hadn't been prepared like that. Wow ooh, that's

692
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:05.840
a great example for anyone that's listening that is, like

693
00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:09.480
I'm gonna go out with a buddy or whatever and

694
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.719
try to find Bigfoot. You need to be prepared for

695
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.559
anything to happen. And I mean, you had a tent

696
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.360
with you. How many people are bringing a tent with

697
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:19.599
them just in case? I mean, I don't think a

698
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.079
lot like that's wild that.

699
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.800
Comes from experience, because I've had a sleep in the

700
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.679
truck before because of things like that. So I was like, well, Okay,

701
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:29.800
I'm going to pack the things I know i'm gonna

702
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.920
need just in case. And my wife really hates it

703
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:34.960
when I go out by myself. And so when I

704
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.559
got home, you know, kind of I told you.

705
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:40.519
That's funny.

706
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.280
Is there an account that sticks out that you've been

707
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.159
told around the area that you found interesting to hear.

708
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.760
Yeah. So that same guy that I that I refer

709
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.360
into that does the research, he does his own channel.

710
00:38:55.400 --> 00:39:01.280
It's a Rocky Mountain Sasquatch organization. And I was listening

711
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.119
to him one day. I was just getting like I

712
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:06.039
was getting ready for work or something, and so we

713
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.000
had he was just telling a story, and so he

714
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.519
was talking about this guy that was up Logan Canyon

715
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.800
in a place called Tony's Grove and where I stayed

716
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.360
the night. In Tony's Grove, they're probably about ten fifteen

717
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.440
miles apart from each other, if I remember correctly. So

718
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:25.639
he was talking about this guy that was and I

719
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.280
think it was probably the late eighties, early nineties, I

720
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.960
don't know the timeframe about. You know, he's up there

721
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.559
elk hunting and so something's messing with him. There's a

722
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.400
bigfoot that's messing with him. So they moved to Curtis

723
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.679
Creek to get away from whatever it was, and it

724
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:48.119
followed him over to Curtis Creek, and Curtis Creek is

725
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:50.559
where I had my first encounter. So he's telling the

726
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:55.199
story and he mentions the guy's name, He's like, I

727
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.719
know that name, and then just knowing who the guy

728
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:02.280
is and where he worked, it was uh my ex wife,

729
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.320
the girl that was with me the first time. It

730
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:07.800
was her best friend's dad that had the encounter, and

731
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:11.039
so I had spent this guy got me, the guy

732
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:13.880
that he's taking got me in. Dell cunning never told

733
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.559
me the story at all, never talked about it, you know,

734
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.320
and I've been he knew I was into Bigfoot, but

735
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:20.840
maybe he didn't know I was into it that much

736
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:22.719
where I would have enjoyed that story, but I never

737
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.159
heard it from him. So that's the account that I got.

738
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:29.639
And like just the fact that it followed him, and

739
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:31.239
you know, I always hear you know, people like I'm

740
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.559
morey that's gonna follow me home or whatever, that it

741
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.880
followed him. That's that's very interesting to me that that

742
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:40.320
happened and it harassed him that long of a distance

743
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:41.519
away and everything like that.

744
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:45.480
Oh my goodness, that's that's wild. So that's uh Kelly

745
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.480
Shaw our mso channel right that guy. So you're saying

746
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.360
that's just when you watched or are you saying that

747
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.280
you actually hang out with Kelly.

748
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:56.599
Kelly is the one that went up with me to

749
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.760
do the do the research and everything like that. Oh no, way,

750
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.320
So I talked to Kelly. I won't to say quite

751
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:05.760
a bit, but you know, every now and then, when

752
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.679
I'll have like a thought, I'll run it past him

753
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.280
and you know he's gonna We've done a little clab

754
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:14.880
every here. Every now and then, we've done stuff together,

755
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.159
but not too much. But I like Kelly. He's a

756
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:19.679
good guy. Yeah.

757
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:21.880
I have not talked to him yet. I need to

758
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.840
maybe put him on the list, reach out to him.

759
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:28.840
So are you saying, so did you just reach out

760
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.280
to him one day after hearing something on the channel

761
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.840
and be like, hey, let's say.

762
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:40.960
Twenty sixteen, I was. I That's what I think is

763
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.119
when I decided to actually start doing more research and

764
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.000
looking out. And so I went on one of the

765
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.119
Facebook hunting clubs or hunting pages and asked, Hey, has

766
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.239
anybody had any weird encounters? You know? And of course

767
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.840
you're gonna get laughed at and mocked out, which you've

768
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:57.719
got to have thick skin if you're doing what we

769
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.159
do right. Right, So people we're saying things and then

770
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:05.719
someone's like, hey, tag me and Kelly together and then

771
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:10.920
I'm trying to remember exactly. He sent me a YouTube

772
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:13.079
video to listen to about a guy up in Washington.

773
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:15.159
So I listened to that and then I told him,

774
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:17.760
I said, oh, that's awesome. I said, I had dis encounter,

775
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.239
and we went up and did Wike went back to

776
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.800
my encounter area in two thousand and four and we

777
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:25.920
talked about that. And then we've just been kind of

778
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:30.840
talking here and there since twenty sixteen, so you know,

779
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:33.119
every now and then all talk to him, and you know,

780
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:38.719
we did another kind of a clab. My recording stuff

781
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:40.639
that I did on it was not very good, like

782
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:42.360
my sound went out. I was using an old phone,

783
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.039
so I didn't end up getting a video. My stuff

784
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:47.559
didn't work. We went to a place called Hearts Grabble.

785
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:52.079
It is behind it is Morgan County, but it's on

786
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.079
the east side of the Wasatch Front and there's a

787
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:57.760
lot of stuff that happens there, but it's all private

788
00:42:57.800 --> 00:42:59.840
property and I had access for a day. So we

789
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.360
went up there and was checking things out. When I'm

790
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.360
up in the mountains, you know, like I so my

791
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.360
I don't know, you know, if you're not doing stories

792
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:13.239
like this, if you're just up looking and I don't

793
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.800
know if you feel like I've tried to watch people's

794
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:20.360
channel and it's not nothing against them, but walking around

795
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:24.400
in the trees looking for bigfoot can get kind of boring,

796
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.119
you know, watching the videos, which if with my attention span,

797
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:31.840
I have a little ADHD, I wrap other things in

798
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.639
my video, like off road and I'll do cooking, and

799
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.800
so there's times that I've been out doing things. I'll

800
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.880
because my Broncos set up for off road things. So

801
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:41.960
I've had big old wench and all this stuff on it,

802
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.800
and I run into people and I'll you know, they'll

803
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.360
they'll be stuck on the side of the road or

804
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.760
something like that, and I'll help them out and I'll

805
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:51.400
get them out and they're like, oh, you know, I

806
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.079
like your Bronco because it's I got bigfoot things all over.

807
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:55.400
I'm like, oh, yeah, this is what I do. And

808
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:58.480
they're like, oh, well, by the way, I had seen

809
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.840
this in this area. I don't what it was, but

810
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.199
I had, you know, something hooting at me, like an owl.

811
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.639
But if it was an owl, it was a big owl. So,

812
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.280
you know, just things like that happened here and there,

813
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:14.280
so and that's I just tried. I tried to talk

814
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.880
to people as much as I can when I'm out,

815
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:19.880
just you know, be nice and the hat kret you know.

816
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:24.360
And I've even had game wardens, not never really game warnings,

817
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:27.920
but forestry people come up and ask what I'm doing,

818
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:29.920
and I'll tell them and they'll be like, well, I've

819
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.960
seen some hairy legs over here in this location. Once

820
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:37.519
Harry Legs. Yeah, Harry Legs. He was looking down, like

821
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:40.480
looking at the trail or something like that, and said

822
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.800
he's seen the legs standing in front of him. He

823
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:44.440
said he's too scared to look up, so he just

824
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:50.199
backed out and left no way. Yeah, So it's just

825
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.239
random things like that, And that's just meeting people out

826
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.280
in uh, you know, just out and out in nature,

827
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.159
and they'll see what you're doing, you know. And that's

828
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:03.440
one of the biggest things for me, is getting it

829
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:07.000
out there, because twenty thirty years ago, if you talked

830
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:09.280
about Bigfoot, you were able to cook.

831
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:11.000
Oh yeah, one hundred percent.

832
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:14.880
Crazy yep, even in the military side, Like I was

833
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.199
never afraid to talk about it on the military side.

834
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.480
Maybe it's because I mean, I was just a truck

835
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.400
driver in the Army, so there wasn't too much security

836
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:24.920
reasons there, but you know, maybe if I was higher

837
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.519
up somewhere, they wouldn't take too kindly to it.

838
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.559
Yeah, did anyone so you were talking about bigfoot during

839
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.360
your service, did anyone ever respond with, oh, yeah, I

840
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.519
had something happen, or any conversations that came up.

841
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.199
So some of my friends that I made in there,

842
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:45.400
that one of the guys he helps me on my

843
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:47.880
channel a lot, and so we kind of like, you know,

844
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:51.920
I've made those connections there, but not really not too much.

845
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.599
I mean, I was in the reserves for most of

846
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:57.880
my time, so we did do stuff in Washington up

847
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.599
at JBLM, and I tried to do as much stuff

848
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:03.400
as I could up there, tried talking to people, but

849
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:05.800
most people are like, oh, I'm not from here. I

850
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.039
just got stationed here not too long ago, so I

851
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:13.480
haven't had anything happen. So it's trying to and people

852
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.000
that are in and are active duty don't. I think

853
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.320
maybe it's the active duty culture that they don't want

854
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:23.719
to talk about it. But it's getting less taboo, I

855
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.119
guess now than it really ever has been.

856
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:35.760
For individuals that are not up to the Lingo JBLM

857
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.320
is Joint Base Lewis McCord right, Yes, okay, and which

858
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.639
Fort Lewis is extremely known for actually bigfoot activity and

859
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.440
big foot encounters.

860
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:48.199
Yep.

861
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.800
Absolutely did you hear when you were there? Just no

862
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.840
one talking about like, oh yeah, we were on patrol

863
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.639
out in the woods outside the base and something weird happened.

864
00:46:58.880 --> 00:46:59.440
Nothing like that.

865
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.119
The crack of the thing about being in the reserves,

866
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:04.880
when you're out there for training, they kind of steak

867
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.440
you away from everybody else. Okay, So I was like,

868
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.039
all right, we're gona steak you guys over here. You guys,

869
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:10.360
do what you need to do and kind of leave

870
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.880
the rest of everybody alone. Almost got it.

871
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.800
Yeah, Yeah, I got it. I've heard some some wild

872
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.920
stuff from that area. I mean, there's some weird stuff

873
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:25.360
that happens, for sure, But I get how you you

874
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.199
wouldn't really be hearing anything if you're in that situation.

875
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:34.960
What would be a scenario where if it happened to

876
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.000
you during your bigfoot research, then you could you could

877
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.760
walk away and you could be I'm done. I've accomplished

878
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.079
one hundred percent what I set out to do.

879
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:53.639
I don't honestly if if something happened, like if they

880
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.840
come out and was like, okay, I think the only

881
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.400
thing that would actually stop me is if they come

882
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:02.400
out and be like, Okay, the whole thing's been a hoax.

883
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.039
We've been doing it for years just to mess with

884
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:08.159
you people like the government or whoever. I think that's

885
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.440
the only thing that would stop me. Like even if

886
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.760
they come out and was like, hey, we have a body,

887
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.679
Bigfoot's real, or you know, I think I would still

888
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:19.920
go out and look like for my own satisfaction, Like

889
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.800
if I here's like my wife asked me, what are

890
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.760
you gonna do if you get them on camera? Are

891
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.960
you gonna post that video or you I'm like, honestly,

892
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.280
I don't know. I think I would probably get a

893
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:35.519
hold of anybody I could in the scientific community to

894
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:38.320
show the video too, before I even uploaded it, because

895
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.480
and the crappy thing about this day and age and technology,

896
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.039
there's so much AI out there. Even if you did

897
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.119
have the best picture of the best video, everything you're

898
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.199
gonna be it's gonna be labeled fake and as a hoax.

899
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.360
So a one hundred percent I think about this every

900
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:58.159
day because we are at the point where you can

901
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.199
say to AI, you can be like, make me a

902
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:05.760
nineteen nineties style handicam video of a bigfoot doing that,

903
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.480
and like it's pretty stinking good. And the only like

904
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:15.039
whenever anyone sends me stuff, if it doesn't have metadata

905
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.920
or something where I can prove it, or like there's

906
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:25.000
coordinates in some metadata on photos, I am really suspicious

907
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.880
of it because again AI is getting it's just terrible.

908
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:33.039
It is absolutely terrible. That's why I don't use it

909
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:36.599
for episode graphics anymore. I'm staying away from that stuff.

910
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:44.079
We need to be focusing on other things, not relying

911
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.360
on like I feel like it's muddying the waters. It

912
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.960
is really muddying the waters. And yeah, I don't know

913
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:55.760
it's a discussion in itself, but yeah, it's I need

914
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:59.599
to have a discussion with my AI guy again on

915
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:00.000
the show.

916
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:01.960
I think it's been a few months, but.

917
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:08.760
Just it's it's it's wild. You're in such an interesting area,

918
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.199
and I think this is the first time on the

919
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:15.599
show that we've talked about this area of Utah. There

920
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:19.079
might be one years ago, but nothing recent. So it'll

921
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:23.679
be interesting to see if other people reach out through

922
00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:28.440
the comments or through email. You know to to share

923
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.199
what they've experienced, or maybe they've also experienced something that

924
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.639
looked exactly like what you you described, which I would

925
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.559
not be surprised at all really.

926
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:41.199
And that's and I and I try to encourage people

927
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:43.400
like and I've put on my on my channel like

928
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:45.320
at the end of ay, if you've had an encounter,

929
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.880
you know, let me know. I'll if you guys want

930
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:49.400
to talk about it. I mean, because a lot of

931
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:50.840
people they just want to talk about They don't care

932
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:55.880
about being on camera. They just want it off their chest.

933
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:58.360
Like when I've I go to at least once a year,

934
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:00.960
I'll go to the hunting pages on Facebook and ask,

935
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.880
has anybody seen anything you know, like I don't care

936
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.880
like supernatural like ghosts or what it like, you know

937
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:10.039
it because it makes for fun content also, but you know,

938
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:13.079
the main end goal for me is bigfoot related stuff.

939
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:15.800
If you guys have seen anything, let me know. And

940
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.559
then first comment, oh you're a quack, you know whatever,

941
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:22.239
and then that person will privately message me like, hey,

942
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.559
I've seen this in this area. Well, dear hunting, I'm like, well,

943
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:27.280
you know, you could have just messaged me and not

944
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:30.079
say anything on you know, but I feel like they're

945
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:33.400
so defensive in what they've seen. They've got to get

946
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:34.559
it out of the way, Like they got to be

947
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.760
defensive first, like because they don't want to be I

948
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:40.599
don't you know, they don't want to be outed for

949
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.320
being weird or seeing something. But it's I don't.

950
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:49.119
Know absolutely, And that's actually I do a similar thing

951
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:53.079
sometimes and it's exactly as you said. You will get

952
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:55.960
about ten guys in the comments where they'll be making

953
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:58.280
fun of you, which is cool, and then two weeks

954
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:02.039
later usually you'll get a few direct messages up be like,

955
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:03.519
oh are you the guy that was talking about the

956
00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:07.320
Bigfoot in like in like sweet Home, Oregon Facebook group

957
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.880
or whatever, just like the really niche regional ones or

958
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:14.480
like Prince of Wales Island Facebook group, you know, stuff

959
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:18.400
like that. Guys, just be smart and you'll find the

960
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:20.920
small Facebook groups and you can get in get in them,

961
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:22.960
and you know you'll you'll get made fun of, but

962
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:23.960
you'll get some cool stuff.

963
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:26.000
But my goodness.

964
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:29.800
Also another thing you mentioned, Yeah, if the government comes

965
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.880
out and says Bigfoot is real, we are going to

966
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.639
be the most We're going to be way more busy

967
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:41.000
because I think after that then all these people that

968
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:44.199
have been holding back be like, oh okay, so it's

969
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.639
okay for me to share now.

970
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:49.840
It's going to be intense, dude.

971
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:50.840
I hope.

972
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:52.840
I hope we get there one day. I I really,

973
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.760
I really do. But we'll see. You will see what

974
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.519
the future brings. But you know, Matthew, I want to

975
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:02.159
make sure that you able to share everything that you

976
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.800
want to share about your encounters today.

977
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.719
First off, well.

978
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.400
There's one one thing so in this and in the

979
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.079
same area, and I don't really I don't really know

980
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.679
if it's Bigfoot related or not, but it's odd. So

981
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:17.679
I would say it was in two thousand and two

982
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:22.039
in the same area the first first sighting. I went

983
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:26.639
archery hunting with a guy from my church. So I

984
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.320
took him to this area because this area used to

985
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.239
be really good for my family and it wasn't. So

986
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:33.960
you come up on a knoll and it's like a

987
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:35.599
really windy area and I was like, oh, my dad's

988
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.599
told me he's just shot deer down in here. So

989
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.159
you walk down this down this road and walk into

990
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:41.960
the trees, and I'll walk into the trees this way

991
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.000
and see if I can push anything to you. So

992
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:46.920
he's all right. So he walks down one hundred yards

993
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:48.960
and I walk into the trees and we walk in

994
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.199
at the same time, and I was probably, I don't know,

995
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:56.079
fifty sixty feet into the trees, kind of just picking

996
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.920
my way through, walking and kind of zigzaging. And I'm

997
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:05.599
standing there and I feel like something behind me and

998
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.199
I don't cause there's moose in the area also, so

999
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:11.920
I was like, well, I was seventeen, maybe seventeen eighteen

1000
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.400
years old at this time, so I was like, well,

1001
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.320
if it's a moose, I don't want to move right now,

1002
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.800
you know. And so out of my peripherals, I'm trying

1003
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:22.280
to look at my peripherals without moving, and I see

1004
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.480
brown like on both sides. So something in moose right,

1005
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.239
and there's a tree to my right. I went to

1006
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:30.840
my right. So there's a tree to my right. I

1007
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:32.519
can see it, and it felt like it was big

1008
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.400
enough that I can put it between me and the moose.

1009
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.679
And so I'm like getting ready to move, and I

1010
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:41.400
twist and just like move to my right and twist

1011
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:43.559
so I can see what it is. There's nothing there,

1012
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.440
so and like I never put I never put it,

1013
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:50.400
like lumped it into that like I just chalked out

1014
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:52.719
as a weird experience and I didn't see anything there.

1015
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.159
I'm like, oh, the guy from the Hunter I took

1016
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:57.800
it there, he's messing with me. So I walk, I

1017
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.880
go directly walk directly to my right and up and

1018
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.400
out onto another road and I'm like, where is this guy?

1019
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.480
And so I start walking down that road heading I

1020
00:55:07.480 --> 00:55:09.840
think I'm heading north at this time, and he comes

1021
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:11.800
out of the trees in front of me, another fifty

1022
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:13.559
yards in front of me. I was like, oh, hey,

1023
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.760
there you are, And I was like, what are you doing.

1024
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.239
He's like, I was chasing something this way, going the

1025
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.559
completely different direction than what was behind me. So he

1026
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.440
wasn'tnywhere near me when it happened.

1027
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:24.559
Oh man, weird.

1028
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:28.960
So I mean, and that was that's in the same

1029
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:30.239
area that this has happened.

1030
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:35.679
Sounds like it sounds like a really weird area. I'm

1031
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:39.440
sure there will be people that that reach out. How

1032
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.039
can is there a way people can contact you directly?

1033
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:46.119
Matt to report through my email at Sasquatch off Road

1034
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.360
at yahoo dot com. And then I've also got a

1035
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:51.960
Facebook that I get messages on there, which is just

1036
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:54.360
a Sasquatch off Road on Facebook.

1037
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.480
Awesome, and that's also the name of your YouTube channel.

1038
00:55:58.599 --> 00:55:58.960
Correct.

1039
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:04.440
Yeah, on YouTube it Sasquatch off Road Adventures. I realized

1040
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.239
that there's a lot of other Sasquatch off Roads, but it's

1041
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:12.039
a four x four builds and when you Sasquatch off Road,

1042
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:14.639
when you search it on YouTube, it brings up a

1043
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:17.840
lot of the new Broncos. So if you do Sasquatch

1044
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:20.719
off Road Adventures, it'll bring up my page directly.

1045
00:56:22.119 --> 00:56:22.719
Fantastic.

1046
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:26.719
So everyone listening, make sure you go over and subscribe

1047
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.559
to Matt's channel, and I will have these specific links

1048
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:34.760
to everything in the show notes or description of the episode,

1049
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:38.599
depending on where you're listening or watching it. But Matt,

1050
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:41.039
thank you so much for coming on the show today

1051
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:44.159
and sharing what you've experienced over the years, and best

1052
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:48.480
of luck in the future. Hopefully you're able to talk

1053
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:50.800
to a lot of people and continue to have things

1054
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:51.599
happen yourself.

1055
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:53.880
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. It's been

1056
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:54.800
a good time talking to you.

1057
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.840
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1058
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.119
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1059
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:05.880
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1060
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.760
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1061
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.039
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1062
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.039
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

1063
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:18.360
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

1064
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:22.000
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you

1065
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:25.239
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

1066
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.639
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

1067
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.000
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1068
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:36.360
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1069
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.519
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1070
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:43.000
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1071
00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:46.920
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1072
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.280
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1073
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.320
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1074
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.800
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1075
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.639
or if you work in the shadows, CIA SAY, or

1076
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.039
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1077
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:08.840
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1078
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:14.159
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1079
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.039
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1080
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:22.880
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1081
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:24.119
We've got the mic.

1082
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:26.480
See you in the woods.

1083
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.119
Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot

1084
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:32.159
Society Podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the

1085
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.239
world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that

1086
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.920
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1087
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:41.320
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1095
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.519
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1096
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.480
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1097
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:08.960
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1104
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1105
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1106
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1107
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