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Originally released: 4/29/24

Our first interview is with Cathy from Montana, who shares multiple incidents involving strange and frightening occurrences around her home and while out in the wilderness. She describes events such as encountering a...

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Season 1

Originally released: 4/29/24

Our first interview is with Cathy from Montana, who shares multiple incidents involving strange and frightening occurrences around her home and while out in the wilderness. She describes events such as encountering a massive, unidentified creature running beside her car, witnessing bizarre behavior in wildlife, and unusual patterns of animal disappearances which suggest the presence of an unknown large predator. Cathy's experiences span over several years and various locations across Montana, encountering oddities that defy logical explanation and leave her questioning what lurks in the hidden corners of the wild. The second interviewee, David, discusses his 2019 camping trip in Oregon, where he and his companions experienced odd noises, unexplained eyeshine, and a horrific roar that led them to abandon their campsite. David also hints at a childhood experience involving something attempting to enter his family's trailer, promising to share more in a future conversation.

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In this episode, I talked to two individuals, one about

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their encounter in remote Montana and the other about their

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remote encounter around Kosbay, Oregon. All right, Bigfest Society, We've

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got the privilege of talking to Kathy tonight. Kathy is

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a listener and she contacted me regarding some things that

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have happened to her over the years. I'm going to

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go ahead and give it right over to Kathy, but

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thank you so much for sharing tonight. Kathy.

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You're very welcome Jeremiah, I appreciate you having a platform

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that allows somebody like me who's never talked about this

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to actually have the opportunity to say something and you know,

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just kind of validate what I went through, you know,

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so thank you.

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I appreciate it absolutely. I feel it's very very important

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to be able to give people a platform where they

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feel validated, safe to speak about things without feeling like

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they're going to get ridiculed. But so, Kathy, thank you

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so much for green to come on. I'll go ahead

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and let you take it from here.

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Okay, Well, I guess the first thing to say is

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I was born and raised in Montana. Forty three years

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of my life, I spent from east to west, not

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to south, literally for hundred miles as the crow flies

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east to west and three hundred north to south. I've

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been all across Montana, living in different places, working in

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different places, and kind of early in my life, I

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ended up in a little tiny town called Pony And

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that's at the base of Holotop Mountain in the Tobacco

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Root Mountains. Okay, this is in the middle of nowhere.

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Eighty some people was the actual amount of people that

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lived in that town. So I was there in Abount

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ninety eight or ninety nine, okay, And I traveled the

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same road back and forth to both of my jobs

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there every single day except for one day a week basically.

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Just one of these drives that I just noticed this huge,

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monstrous bull moose had come down into the koolie right

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by this road because it runs by this creek that

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feeds the whole koolie, so that stays green all year long,

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whether there's no water anywhere else, spots got water and green.

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So he showed up there, and so I just started

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paying attention because the guy kept being there and kept

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being there. And so one night I got home from

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work and the other half was at the house and

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I said, hey, that moose. It's not dark yet, and

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that moose is right out there. Let's go take a look.

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I'll show you because he wanted to see him. So

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we jump in a Pontiac car and go driving down

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the road and it's getting like half dark. You know,

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you could see shapes and stuff, but you couldn't really

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see a lot of definition. So we went down there

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and we're looking for him and could not see this moose.

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and he was just gone, and so I was like, well,

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maybe tomorrow I'll see him on the way in. And

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the next day on the way to work, I saw horns,

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is what I saw. Actually, I slowed down and I

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was really looking, and all I saw was like these

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horns pie It kind of popped up from the grass,

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and I went, oh, no, somebody shot that moose. That's

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the first thing I thought is somebody had poached that

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moose and just shot it. And anyway, I went to

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work and I felt awful, but I went back home

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and told the other half again, you know, I know

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what happened in that moose. Somebody probably shot it, and

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he was rather upset about that. But so we get

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in the car again and go down there, and this

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is when this happened. It was the weirdest thing because

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there was a road a little just an access road

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right off of the one that we were on. So

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we pulled in there, had the lights on the car on,

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and he kind of swung it down into that coolie

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so that the lights would go down to where I

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was trying to show him where it was at. And

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we saw it. We saw the horns again, you know,

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sticking up out of the grass, and I said, you know,

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I'm sure somebody probably shot that moose. And so we

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were just kind of sitting there and on the I

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had the wind, we had all the windows down because

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it was the middle of summer, and we're just sitting

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there and I started hearing something on the right handside

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of me coming up that koolie in that grass, and

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I'm like, well, there's something down here. So we don't

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want to walk up on a moot. I'm not on

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a bear, you know. I did not want to walk

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up on a bear or something that was down there

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eating that moose. So he backed the car back out

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into the highway and I looked over out the window

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and there was this brown thing coming up the side

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of the hill and I went, oh, it's a dog.

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And I'm because I saw it it would look short

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because it was this brown bear. And I'm like, oh,

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it's a dog. And he's like, oh okay, and I said, no,

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it's not a dog, it's a cow. Because it kept

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coming up the hill and it was getting bigger and

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I could see this brown and a second later, this

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horrible stench just destroyed our car. It was the most

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disgusting smell I've ever smelled. And I said it is

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a bear because I knew that a grizzly would do that,

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roll in the garbage that they're eating, and so I

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said it is a bear and he took off. This

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thing was not a bear because it was running beside

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our car. I could have reached out and touched it.

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And I'm looking at legs. Now, that was the craziest thing.

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And I'm looking at these brownish gray legs and brown hair,

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and it was beside us, and I could see pads

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of feet. I could see this like brownish tant It

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looked like leather, brown feet, bottoms. I couldn't see these

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flashes as it was running, and I told him go faster.

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I was just basically panicked at that point because I'm

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seeing just legs beside me, and I'm just I'm not

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focusing on anything else except for this thing could grab

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me right now. We're right next to each other, and

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so he just took off as fast as that car

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would go, and weasically on the drive homework and kind

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of too much shock, and I was shaken like a leaf.

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I was literally Jello inside and I just looked at

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him and I said, did you see that? You know,

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because I wasn't sure if he had seen what I

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had seen. And he said, I don't want to talk

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about it. And I said, did you see that? What

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did you see what I was looking at? And he said,

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I don't want to talk about it. And Jeremiah, I

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thought about this for a long time. I really did,

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and I'm like, why will he not talk to me

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about this? But a long time getting to really know somebody.

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He was a very he was a bully. Honestly, I'm

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not going to talk. I don't want to talk about

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about anybody, but I need the backstory here for his reaction.

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And I finally figured it out. He's always belligerent and

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a bully, you know. He was the big man, and

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he always got his way the highway. And that night

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was the only light I've ever seen him show fear.

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I never saw him show fear at any other point

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in time. And this man was burned from head to toe.

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He went through terrible things and he just gritted his

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teeth and buried it. But he was scared to death

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that night, and I think that's why he would never

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talk to me because that was the only time he

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ever showed me absolute fear of something. You know, he

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wasn't the big man in the woods. And so that

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was the first time something strange happened. And that was

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over in the Tobaccoy Mountains and that was it was

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like three four years later, we moved to another town

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north of Paradise Valley and hunted in the Gallatin and

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Custern National Forest. We went to the Absolocus. We were

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all over the place, the custom and sweet grass all

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down through there. And we actually took a hunting trip

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one day south of Livingston on the west side of

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the highway and that's the Custern National Forest area there

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and you can go out there and hunt elk. So

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that's what we were doing. I had a thirty out six,

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he had a two seventy, and we just went out

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there and we're walking. Parked the vehicle and we're walking.

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It was the middle of the day. We're walking out there,

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and I was about fifty yards behind my ex husband,

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my husband at the time. I kept a little distance

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because if he saw something, he would basically just freeze

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and then I would freeze, you know, and that's how

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he wanted it. And so I was about fifty minutes

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behind him, just trailing him, and I kept hearing something

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behind me, and I kept saying, there's somebody or something

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out here behind me, because every time you stop and

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I stop, I hear something. Then it stops and then

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we go. And I said, this is really unerving. I

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don't want to be the far away and he got

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annoyed with me, but he said, okay, So we kind

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of kind of gret together down into these bottoms. You know,

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you got the mountains up at the top, but then

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at the bottom they're pretty clear, they're grassy areas, easy

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to get through and walk through, and so I kept

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hearing that he and I said, why don't you go,

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you know, behind me for a minute, and you might

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hear this. And so we just kept walking and he said, yeah,

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I hear something, but I'm not sure what it is.

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But it did not sound like an animal. It just

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did not sound like an animal. It was just weird.

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And as we're going along, all of a sudden, the

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brush to the right of us just exploded and this

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huge cow moose came running just out of those freaking

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bushes and right in front of us and just kept

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on going. That thing acted like we did not even exist.

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And that was when I said, Okay, I'm very uncomfortable

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with this situation. I don't care what gun you have.

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There's something happening here because she didn't even look at us,

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So something bigger than us is after her. You know,

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that's my logic. I'm logical and rational. I'm thinking, if

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that thing ain't even looking at us and being worried

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about it, there's something worse coming up the hill. And

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I just get that horrible sick feeling like something very

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bad is about to happen here. But we turned around.

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We turned around because I did actually tell them I'm

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not going any further. I'm not going to do that anymore.

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I'm not going to walk into a bear. And that's

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what I kept thinking to myself, it's got to be

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a bear. I always blame it all bears first and foremost.

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But that did not sound like a bear. That most

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just didn't seem like, you know, she even cared that

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we existed, and she just went right past us. But

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the one weird thing am I I was gonna tell

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you about Pony. Those are the two different places anyway,

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I had these weird experiences. But the one thing about

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Pony is where we lived. We lived right at the

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base of hol Atop, and so our neighbors had a

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house beside us they rented, and in their house, on

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the back of their houses, they had huge motion sensor

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flood lights. Okay, on the back of these houses that

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were beside us, the two beside us, and they had

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a four and a half foot picket fence around their house.

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And so at night, when I was by myself, the

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lights would just flash on. I'd go look at it.

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You know, oh, there's some deer or there's the dog

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outside or whatever. But occasionally you would go out there

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to the window and look, and the deer would be

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screaming through that failed and right into their yard where

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those lights would come on, and then keep on going.

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And then just split second later you'd see a big

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cat chasing them right through the yard. Those those mountain

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lions up there would come right through the yards after

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those deer, and you'd see the big four and a

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half foot tail flipping above the fence, and you knew

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it wasn't the dog out there. So you stayed in

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the house for a while but that was just a Honestly,

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in the wintertime, that was almost normal occurrence. Those deer

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to run right down that creek, right to the backyards

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in those big lighted you know, big lit up places,

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and sometimes you'd see something chase them. Sometimes you wouldn't.

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But sometimes those deer would come down there so fast

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and nothing would follow them into the light, and they

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would sit there in that yard and you could see

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them shaking. I mean, you could see these deer quivering,

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but they didn't run like they did when the mountain

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lions were behind them. They kept going. But occasionally these

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deer would come down there and get into those yards,

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those two yards, and they wouldn't move. They'd just sit

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there shaking, and nothing thing come into the light. And

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those are the questions that I have. Was something out

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there that knew I'm not walking into those lights. I'll

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chase a deer, but I'm not walking into those lights

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because the cats didn't care. You see what I'm saying.

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They didn't care about the light. They were chasing that

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deer down. So just weird stuff like that happened up there.

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The moose, we had another moose, it was a cal moose.

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When she would drop her twins. She had twins three

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years in a row up there, and when she would

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drop her twins, she would do it right there in

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that field with those lights. That's where she would raise

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those two twins, right there in the back by the crik,

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where those huge lights were on all night, because every

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time she moved it turned on. So that's another thing

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that I questioned too. Wasn't that moose understanding that as

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long as they're here, they're safe. You know? That also

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made me wonder that there's something out there that's enormous

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that's three times as tall as a normal Pontiac car

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at least, I mean, because all I saw was legs

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and feet. That's the only thing I saw. And so

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you know, that's really my experience is in a couple

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of the things I have questions about, like were they

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responding to something out there that I didn't even I

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didn't have to believe myself at the time, you know

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what I mean. But that's that's really what happened, is

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seeing it right by the car. That was the big

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thing for me, as actually I could have reached out

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and touched it at the time, but thank goodness, it

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didn't touch me, you know.

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Big for society will be right back after these messages.

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That is an incredible account. It's just it's very man.

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I don't even know how I would handle it. Were

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the windows down in the car really, so it was,

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oh my goodness. So you're in this now you're saying

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a Pontiac car, was it?

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It's a Bonnaville.

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It's a Bonaville, so that.

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It was like a nineteen ninety Bonaville.

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Okay, which is lower to the ground, right, yes, okay,

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but you had the windows down.

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Oh man, Well, yeah, it's Montana in the middle of summer.

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You're gonna have the windows down. You don't run the ac.

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Yeah, that makes total sense. So you had mentioned that

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you could see the legs, the pads of the feet.

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Did you notice any other part in addition.

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I I don't know if I heard anything.

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That's I'm makes me wonder because I thought it was,

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like like I say, I was. My brain was triggering

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what could this be? And it was just getting bigger,

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and so my brain was going bigger and bigger. And

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when I thought it was like a cow beside us,

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I thought I heard like a cow huffing when a

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cow runs, they will huff, you know, they labor, and

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so I thought that's why I thought it was a cow,

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because it was like shorter two three inch brownish hair,

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and I think I heard it huffing, and that's why

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I thought at first, Oh, that's gotta be a cow.

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But then it kept coming up the side of the

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koolie right to our I mean, he was headed right

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to us. That was the problem is that my brain

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was not working fast enough to go, what is what

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am I looking at? Until I was just looking at

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legs and then like I said, I could see the

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feet pads and it was just these enormous, enormous legs.

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I didn't see any arms hands. I don't know if

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you had them up or what, but I just there's

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not much else. The smell was the worst part. The

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smell made me literally I was gagging. I was gagging.

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It was so bad. And it stayed in that car.

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It lingered with the windows down eighty miles an hour.

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It was horrid.

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So you saw it come up the banks of the

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koolie to the car. You said that you're you weren't

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really thinking of what was going on at the time,

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But do you remember, like looking at the creature at

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that time, like looking at its face or anything like that,

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or no, there wasn't any.

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It was coming up sideways. So all I was basically

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seeing was I believe I think I was seeing like

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head shoulders coming up or something as it was coming

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up the side. But it was coming like what do

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you call it, like in a thirty five forty five

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degree angle coming up that we were turning around and

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trying and getting ready to go. So it was coming

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up at an angle almost kind of beside behind me.

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So when I'm looking, I'm seeing this just this brown

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stuff to my right as it's coming up there. And

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that's what got me is we kind of crested together.

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Basically it got to the top of there at the

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same time that we turned. We had turned around, so

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he basically turned around and put me right beside this thing.

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When he turned to the left to go back, he

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put me right beside it. And that's when I'm looking

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out directly beside me, right at the mirror with this

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thing beside us running. That's that's my biggest when I

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saw it the most is right there at the mirror

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when it was running beside us.

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At any point, did you get a feeling for how tall.

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It was, Like I say, it had to be what

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at least three times the size of that car? And

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when I got out of the car, I'm a short person, okay,

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so let's say four feet three feet three and a

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half four feet it was enormous. Like is that All

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I saw was legs, like like right above the knee down.

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Literally I could see the knee movement. And but that's

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it was right there, is what I was looking out

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out that window like at three and a half feet,

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so eight nine feet probably I would say something like.

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That, Yeah, wow, did you ever go back to look

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at that area after this had happened? Did you go

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back the next day? Or is just you were staying

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away from that area?

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I had to drive past it every single day to

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go to work. I didn't have a choice. That was

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the crazy part is I would literally for a long time,

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I would just pray, please just get me past that spot.

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Please just get me past that spot.

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You know.

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That's what And that's stupid because that thing could be

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anywhere everywhere, Seriously, it could be long gone. But in

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my brain, I was like, just get me past that spot.

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That's all I care about. I don't want to break

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down there, no, you know what I mean?

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Oh yeah, definitely. I mean to have to probably relive

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that over and over in your mind daily on the

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way to work. That would be not a fun time

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for sure. That area that you lived in, was it

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a thing where people would ever talk about Bigfoot?

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Ever? Oh, they would talk about their cows missing. Yeah,

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because there was a couple of really big black angus

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ranches right there in that valley. Pony was kind of

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up in the mountain, and all that entire valley, all

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the way down to basically Ennis is nothing but cattle, cattle,

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land raising lands, things of that nature. And they would

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talk about that cows disappearing when they have them down

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in the valley. They would actually just you know, go

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out one day, feed the cows, next day, feed the cows,

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and then they're like, wait a minute, where's that where's

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that cow? Where's four fifteen or where's two ninety one,

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you know what I mean? And they were just gone.

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And so they did talk about that a lot, and

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they I don't know if any of them had their

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own encounters at any time, but those cattle ranchers are

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closed mouth about their land. They don't talk about much

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of anything down there. You know. They don't want to

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talk about wolves, they don't want to talk about bears,

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they don't want to talk about anything because if somebody

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goes after their cattle, the three s's, you know what

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that is, right, that's that's kind of how that works,

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three three s's, I don't sorry, shoot shovel and shut up, okay, gotcha?

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Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's how that works. So that's why I say they're

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kind of tight lipped around there, because that's just the

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law of land. So I'm sure they would not want

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to discuss anything like that that somebody might want to protect. Seriously,

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it's just how it is with land.

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So I don't know, going off of what you've experienced,

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you know, some brief interactions, have you ever thought to yourself,

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had to work through, like what you think these might

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actually be.

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I would say that they're they're an animal. Honestly, they're

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just an animal. I don't think that they're demons. I

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don't think that they're nephilom. I don't think there are

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any of that. I think they are animals. Plain and

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simple logic and reason tells us the simplest answer is

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usually the correct answer. Correct? Is that not right?

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I'm sure yep, yep, that is that is a logical thing.

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Yeah, yeah, so I really do I think they're just animals. Yes,

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I do believe they're intelligent. I mean, I know that

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animals are intelligent. I absolutely know that they can. They

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can figure stuff out that they probably can mimic it

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and talk, and they probably have their own communication and

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their own words and things of that nature. That's fine.

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I mean, have you seen a murder of pros one

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of them learned something? Everybody learns it because they sit

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around and they chatter it, you know, so they just

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start learning this stuff. I don't think they're stupid animals.

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I think they're extremely intelligent animals. But I do believe

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they're still animals.

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Being a person that's lived in Montana for so long,

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I've talked to a few people from Montana, and there's

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some really interesting things that happen up there. I'm just

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curious if it's anything you've ever heard of. Have you

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ever heard of people finding like grizzly bears that have

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had their necks broken in Montana?

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Ever?

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You have?

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Yes, Paradise Valley, Yes, Paradise Valley. They actually I kind

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of know I had it end at the time down

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there with somebody that was involved with that stuff. But

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they were actually fine. These grizzlies dead, and the Park Service,

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the rangers, they knew about it because that's kind of

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where the line came from. Where the information came from,

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was through the through that I used to do some

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other stuff law enforcement wise for quite a few years

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there in Montana, and that's where they were that came from,

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but directly from the Park Service. Yeah, they're finding dead

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grizzlies in Paradise Valley, and they're finding dead campers up

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in Custer National Forest. They're they're finding like people on

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one side of a mountain ridge and their entire packs

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and shoes and everything else seventeen eighteen miles away on

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another side of the mountain. I don't know if anybody's

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ever talked to you about those, but that's something that

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actually happens here, and they don't know why these people

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are dead in one spot and all their stuff was

454
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somewhere else. If they you know, and they're just dead.

455
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:59.079
I believe that was called out in That's a Missing

456
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:03.359
four on one thing with David Plaiti's I think. I remember, yeah,

457
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:04.680
he's done that documentary.

458
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:07.799
Yep, he's done that. Yeah, that's right, and that's not

459
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.319
a lie. That is the absolute truth. Like I said,

460
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:14.279
I had some inns with these places, and that is

461
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.440
the truth. That's crazy and I'm the first time I

462
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.599
read and I was like, there's got to be a

463
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:25.119
logical explanation. There's no logical explanation for finding that. You know,

464
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:28.759
there's no logic. These people knew what they were doing

465
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.559
out there. They were well prepared. It's not like it

466
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:33.079
was the first time they went on a hike.

467
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:34.279
You know.

468
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:36.359
Something happened to these people.

469
00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.519
It's I remember looking into that myself, and it just

470
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.160
it does not make sense at all. Going back to

471
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.559
the grizzlies, do you say that so they were found

472
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.319
they were found dead, but you said their next were

473
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:52.160
broken as well.

474
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:56.880
Not only their necks were broken, but they were there

475
00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:02.759
actually their bodies were mangled. They weren't just somebody broke

476
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.480
their neck and let them lay there. They were mangled bears.

477
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.680
And that's what the problem was, because they're like a

478
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:13.480
wolf pack is potentially capable of doing this, you know,

479
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:18.599
absolutely capable if the pack goes after a bear, it's possible, Okay,

480
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:22.119
so we're in the realm of possibility. But who's going

481
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:25.680
to mangle that body and not eat it? That's the thing.

482
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.279
If the wolves are going to take the time and

483
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:31.200
energy to kill a bear, they're going to eat it

484
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.480
because they've wasted all their energy killing it. You know

485
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:34.960
what I mean?

486
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.960
Absolutely? Can can you just you said the bodies were

487
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.599
found mangled? Can you? And not to get too crazy,

488
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.839
but can you describe like what that exactly means?

489
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.799
That they were just broken like they're not. They were

490
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:58.400
legs broken, they were mangled like twisted backs and all kinds,

491
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:02.359
just mangled like they had been manhandled to the point

492
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:06.119
of death, just manhandled to the point of they're just

493
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.200
mangled and left there. And that's why I say that

494
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.720
if they were if they were killed by another natural predator,

495
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.000
that predator doesn't take all of that time and energy

496
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:20.799
to kill something like that unless they're going to eat it.

497
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:26.319
That's just natural selection. You know, the energy they spend,

498
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.240
they have to get a reserve. Again, they've got to

499
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:29.640
eat it.

500
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:35.240
And you're saying that it was just left there.

501
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:39.640
They're just left there, Yes, and they have the pictures

502
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.200
of them. That's the thing. And I don't know why

503
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.119
people are so tight lipped about this business. You know,

504
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:50.079
if there's if that's happening down in the bar Tooth

505
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:55.640
and Absorca wilderness, that's a playground for millions of people

506
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.119
every year. You know what I mean?

507
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.400
And your thoughts? What could break the neck of a

508
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:03.359
grizzly bear.

509
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:10.839
On the very edge of the realm of possibilities? Okay,

510
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.720
this is all I'm going to say. On the very

511
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.720
edge of the realm of possibilities. I have seen bull

512
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:23.119
elk and bull moose that could probably do that if

513
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.400
they absolutely had to in some weird way with their horns.

514
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.640
That's the only thing that would be big enough and

515
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.440
strong enough to even attempt to do something like that.

516
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.240
There is nothing else out there. That's why I said,

517
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.640
the wolves are not going to do that. Wolves are

518
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.400
not going to do that. They can't they don't have hands.

519
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.279
There is no other option. And I'm sorry, but that's

520
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:51.799
the truth. There are big, big, big animals out there

521
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.480
that are I think that that's what's happening. I really do.

522
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.000
I think that that's what's happening. I think they're being

523
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:02.119
killed by bigfoot end of story. There's no other logical explanation.

524
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:08.039
So I'll tell you it's something that's come up at

525
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.759
random times over the last few years. Big for Society

526
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:30.960
will be right back after these messages. There's been interviews

527
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:37.279
where talked to a gentleman in Oregon where he found

528
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:41.240
a black bear that was pretty much mangled by a bigfoot.

529
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.440
There was a hunter that was mangled by bigfoot in

530
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.200
northern Alabama in a similar way. It just it's wild

531
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.880
when you start to connect pieces from different parts of

532
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:54.880
the country like that. So I was talking to a

533
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.920
gentleman a while ago named Ken Metzger. He's a bigfoot

534
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:03.720
researcher in Montana. You ever heard anything where there could

535
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:10.680
be connections between missing for on one cases and bigfoot. Besides,

536
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.839
you know, we did already talk about the one person

537
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:16.319
that was found on the side of the mountain, But

538
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:17.559
do you have any thoughts about that?

539
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:22.039
Oh? Absolutely, Because once I started connecting the dots myself,

540
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.319
other things that I was listening to and reading and

541
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:31.960
seeing were just like absolutely mind blowing to me, thinking that,

542
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.880
oh my gosh, this possibly could be one of the

543
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.359
biggest shocks to people out there. It really could. It

544
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.839
could be one of the biggest things that ever happens

545
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.000
is then finding out that these people they go out here,

546
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.880
they're not just they're not just disappearing. They're they're not

547
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:53.359
just you know, walking off the trail for no dang reason.

548
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:57.559
These people something's happening to them. End of story. And

549
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:00.359
if that's what it is, then that's what it is.

550
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:03.319
We need to start. Like I'm saying, I'm based in

551
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:07.319
logic and reality, you know, and that's the most logical

552
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:11.079
explanation for any of it is. Actually, but actually seeing

553
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.680
something like that and putting all these little pieces together

554
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.240
that I didn't understand at the time, it does point

555
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.359
me in only one direction, it really does. These people

556
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.519
are coming in contact with something like that out there,

557
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.640
and they're getting the short end of the stick.

558
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.200
Absolutely. Over the years, have you ever heard of any

559
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:36.880
other strange things that have been happening in the Paradise Valley.

560
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.480
Area, Well, there was only one other thing that happened

561
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:46.000
and was extremely tragic, But this was over in the

562
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.160
eastern side of the state. It was the middle of winter,

563
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:54.480
probably two thousand and eight, something like that. Two thousand

564
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.680
and nine, we had a gentleman that we knew. He

565
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:02.319
took off to go hunting his four wheeler. Okay, he

566
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:05.319
has four wheeler all packed up because he was headed out.

567
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:11.400
He was going to stay out, and he disappeared, and

568
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.319
later on, once the ice kind of broke, they found

569
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:21.680
him attached to his four wheeler in the river, and

570
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:26.200
they were like, what would make somebody who knows this place,

571
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.519
who was born and raised here, who has hunted here

572
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:33.240
their whole life, what would make somebody veer off course

573
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.519
and drive over a river they know is not frozen.

574
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:43.799
He absolutely knew that was not frozen. And it makes

575
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:48.160
me think what would scare someone that bad that they

576
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:53.559
would lose all all thoughts of safety and drive onto

577
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.359
a river they know is not frozen. And his boot

578
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:02.440
got stuck on the bottom peg on his four wheeler

579
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.319
and it killed that man. He went down with his

580
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.800
four wheeler. Now, I don't know what else would make

581
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:18.760
you that afraid. You know, absolutely, That's something I've always questioned,

582
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.280
Why would a person do that, that is so intelligent,

583
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.360
so good at being outdoors, Why would he do that?

584
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:33.639
If the missing four on one events. It's not something

585
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.639
that I've looked a lot into, but the things that

586
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.079
I have looked into. It's just it does not make sense,

587
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:45.280
and it's just a very scary thing that it does happen.

588
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.599
Then maybe I'll start to hear more about different things

589
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:57.039
as well. If you had the ability or you could

590
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:02.960
make the decision too, would you choose to have an

591
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:08.280
interaction or see a bigfoot creature again or is it

592
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.000
something that you would rather not take part in.

593
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.800
No, I'm kind of a I'm kind of an odd

594
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:22.360
duck Jeremiah. I don't really get Once I think about

595
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.840
something and get it in the right place in my head,

596
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:29.079
once I get it straightened out in my head, I'm

597
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.639
pretty logical and really level. Honestly, I did. I was

598
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.639
a nine one one operator for several years, and everybody

599
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.880
told me it was the best job I ever did

600
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.360
and got because when crap is happening, I don't panic. Okay,

601
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.320
I'm not the panicker. I'm the person that'll stand there

602
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.639
and watch it happen and take note of everything that happens.

603
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.800
I'm not a panicker. So after I thought about it,

604
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:55.599
I really did. I started listening to stuff and really

605
00:35:56.800 --> 00:36:00.280
research and stuff more, and I thought, you know, to me,

606
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.800
I think it would be I think it would be crazy,

607
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:08.519
but I you know, I think I would. I want

608
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:10.679
to know this, I really do. I want to be

609
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.400
one hundred percent sure, And I don't like that question

610
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.840
mark in my head for so many years that I

611
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.320
could never talk to anybody about because I always did

612
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.920
think these people will think I'm nuts. They're gonna put

613
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.480
me up in the looney bin if I say anything

614
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:31.079
about this. But I do, I fully, I really do think.

615
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:32.840
It scared the crap out of me at the time,

616
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.480
but after I thought about it, I would actually not

617
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:41.760
mind seeing one from a distance, down in a coolie

618
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.960
like I say, or across the mountain, you know, down

619
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.119
in the valley while I'm up here on the side.

620
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.480
I think it would be really interesting to actually see

621
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.280
a full figure, the whole thing, and know what it was,

622
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:57.440
you know what I mean. Instead, I have these questions.

623
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.679
Absolutely, it would be very interesting. You know, I haven't

624
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:06.920
had the opportunity yet, but it would be very interesting

625
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.880
to be able to actually have a visual for sure.

626
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.880
Since you brought it up, do you have a question,

627
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.159
and you can choose whether to answer it or not,

628
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:20.239
of course, but during your time working nine one one,

629
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.639
did you ever receive any calls of people that had

630
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:25.519
seen a bigfoot.

631
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.679
No, I just received calls of the people on the

632
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:34.920
reservation disappearing, because I worked in an area that also

633
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:39.119
covered two reservations and there was there's always a lot

634
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:43.400
of disappearances there. And sometimes they would find the people's

635
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:47.719
bodies in the in the river. Sometimes they would never

636
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.840
find them at all. Sometimes they would find them on

637
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.679
the side of a road. Those were the weird ones

638
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.280
because there really didn't seem to be any real explanation

639
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.079
for what happened to these people. They just disappeared and

640
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.239
sometimes they were found and sometimes they weren't.

641
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:11.559
And I was about it, Wow, that would be definitely

642
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.719
I think what does take a special type of person

643
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:18.239
to be able to take calls for that? And it

644
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.159
sounded like you were definitely well equipped to do that.

645
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.559
Well. I appreciate that. That's my entire that's really been

646
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.800
my my most of my entire life. That's been my

647
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.039
way I earned my living, you know, as things like that,

648
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.760
and so I'm I was hesitant to say anything at first,

649
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.440
but then I thought, you know, I'm just gonna I'm

650
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:42.840
just gonna talk about it, and then I'm gonna put

651
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:48.079
it to rest, and I'm in Arkansas now and Arkansas's

652
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:51.920
I did not have any idea about all the sightings here.

653
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.440
So now I'm like, oh, man, did I go from

654
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:57.239
the frying pan into the fire or what?

655
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:01.800
Well, Kathy, you may have depending on where you are.

656
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:08.679
What if you're in northwestern Arkansas, you did? I did?

657
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:10.440
Oh my goodness.

658
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:10.800
Yeah.

659
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:15.000
I mean I get so many reports and people talking

660
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.840
to me about northwest Arkansas Buffalo River, and then you've

661
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:25.159
got like, because that's close to washita A National Forest

662
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.320
southeast Oklahoma. I mean the whole area is just just

663
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:30.639
wild with bigfoot.

664
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:35.639
Yeah, yep. I live right in the middle of the

665
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:41.280
National Forest and by Lake Greeson, so that it's X

666
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:43.320
marks the spot basically. Jeremiah.

667
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.320
Oh so in the Washatas Yeah, you're there.

668
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.840
Yeah, wow the thing? Yeah? Is it? This whole place?

669
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:51.119
Man?

670
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:56.599
Holy moly, Yeah, this place I won't go anywhere at

671
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.840
night I'm not familiar with. And I'm seriously because I'm

672
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.840
I don't want that by myself. I don't ever want

673
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.880
to have that interaction by myself. I don't, So I'm

674
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:09.239
pretty picky about where I go here.

675
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.360
You know, it seems like in that area that subject

676
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.400
would come up pretty easily. Has that ever come up

677
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.519
in conversation with other people down there.

678
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.599
I've got a couple guys that do a bunch of

679
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:26.920
fishing all over the place. They've actually had little stories

680
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:29.760
that they telled me about somebody bothering them. And I'm

681
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:31.960
not going to say anything to these people. I work

682
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.639
with these people, and the last thing I want them

683
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:36.079
to do is, like I said, I think I'm a

684
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.519
nut job or something. So they have these interesting stories

685
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:44.519
about their like their boat going what do you call

686
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:48.440
it more your boat basically right when you go up

687
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:52.119
and land your boat, that they would camp out, do

688
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:53.920
their fishing camp out and get up in the morning

689
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:57.360
and somebody had on moored the boat and it's gone,

690
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.480
you know, and they're like, who could do that? You know,

691
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.800
why would someone do that? And who could do that?

692
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.719
And just little things like that. But they've never said

693
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.280
anything about seeing anything or hearing anything.

694
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:14.639
If you wanted to look more into it, you're in

695
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:15.960
the right area for sure.

696
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.719
I mean, that's exactly how I feel. And you know, honestly,

697
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:23.079
I'm becoming more and more and more curious over time,

698
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:28.039
and I think it's because of just all of the

699
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:33.800
information that's out there. I just I just actually voraciously,

700
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.920
you know, go through information over time, and I just

701
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.840
listen to everything I can and read all of this stuff.

702
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:44.960
But I really do believe, honestly, this is an animal.

703
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.320
You know, people put so much behind it and everything,

704
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:52.719
and sometimes yeah, weird crap can happen around them. Absolutely,

705
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.920
I'm not disclaiming discounting anybody's stories. I don't know anything

706
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.599
about this. This is just my opinion is that they're

707
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:03.400
they're animals, you know, and they're out there, and people

708
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:07.440
should just be aware, you know, that that's a potential

709
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.519
something could happen. You know, just be careful.

710
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:15.559
I would really hope, you know, in our lifetime hopefully

711
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.760
we get the final answer, you know, whether that's a

712
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.960
that's some specimen or something's captured. It would be great

713
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.679
if we could get some some final answer. But we

714
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.519
will see, right, Yeah.

715
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.039
It'll come around. Eventually, it'll come around. That's all there

716
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.599
is to it. That The only thing that needs to

717
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.639
happen is there actually needs to be a concerted effort

718
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:43.760
between all these different groups. Seriously, people need to say, Okay,

719
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:48.800
put all differences aside. We're going to blanket this entire area,

720
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.559
whichever area may be that's the most that has the

721
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.159
most sightings or that just blanket the entire area with

722
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.239
so many people and so many trail cams and just

723
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.599
do that, you know, come together. That's the only thing

724
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.199
I see when I listen to all this stuff. Everybody's

725
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.159
doing their own little thing, and that's awesome. But if

726
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:12.519
you really want to make an impact, work together. Make

727
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.039
it happen, because boots on the ground is what is

728
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.679
going to find this. That's what's going to find this.

729
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:22.840
No, I agree. I mean, first off, focus on you know,

730
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.159
whether it's a certain area in southeast Oklahoma or maybe

731
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:30.079
Pacific Northwest. But yeah, just make it like almost a

732
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.039
search and rescue but you know, kind of different. Get everyone,

733
00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.199
but you got to have the manpower behind it. And

734
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.039
I don't know, I get Yeah, it always comes back

735
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.719
to if the government's involved or not. It's what it

736
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.360
seems to come back to in these chats. But I'm

737
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.119
not too sure about that one.

738
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.679
Well, that's kind of why I think that way, because

739
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:00.320
that's you know, part of the job that I did

740
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:06.079
was also support for search and rescue, ambulance, fire, you know,

741
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.239
all of that, And that's exactly how I feel. You

742
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.360
take the map out, you grid your map, You put

743
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.519
these people here at this grid, these people here at

744
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:18.360
this grid. You know, that's exactly what my mind went to, Jeremiah, honestly,

745
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.079
is more blank search and rescue, because how do you

746
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:28.480
find a little girl in the middle of nowhere Custer County, Montana,

747
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:33.840
that's nothing but flat planes and dry scrub brush and

748
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:36.960
all of this stuff. You know, a little girl went

749
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.119
missing out there. It took us three and a half

750
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.079
days to find her. She was less than a mile

751
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.920
away from home. Oh wow, people getting on four wheelers

752
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.320
and horses and walking that area after three days that

753
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.440
found her. That's how you do it, you know.

754
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.199
Absolutely. Yeah, something to think about, and it'd be an

755
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:03.000
interesting conversation to to start having in the community. I think, Kathy,

756
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:09.119
it's been a really enlightening conversation. And thank you for

757
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:14.679
finally sharing publicly what you've experienced over the years. Big

758
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:33.360
for society will be right back after these messages. I

759
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.679
wish you the best down in Arkansas. Hopefully, well unless

760
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:41.719
you want it to hopefully things are pretty calm down

761
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:42.239
there for you.

762
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:47.599
But yeah, that's what I'm crossing my fingers about to Jeremy.

763
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:50.320
It's just just don't break me out too bad.

764
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:55.000
Okay, that's exactly. Yeah, no doubt for.

765
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.159
Allowing me, honestly, for allowing me to just get all

766
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:01.119
of this stuff off of my chest since say, this

767
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.519
is what happened. Okay, now I can put it to bed.

768
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:08.559
That's what I needed. Seriously, absolutely, Oh, I appreciate that

769
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:08.920
a lot.

770
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:10.280
Thank you, Kathy.

771
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.719
You're welcome. You have a wonderful evening. It's been a pleasure.

772
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.320
Take good care of yourself.

773
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:26.719
Okay, unknown, let's go, boy, what.

774
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:28.800
To accept?

775
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:30.679
Press one to send a voicemail?

776
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:31.599
Press two?

777
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:34.239
Hey is this David?

778
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.039
It is?

779
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:38.400
Is this David Blaylock.

780
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:39.960
It is?

781
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:45.880
Did I say that? Yeah? Ah, okay, very good. Hey,

782
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.440
thanks for calling you did You've already filled out the form,

783
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:53.599
right I did. That's right. Let me make sure that

784
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:56.360
people can hear us in the If someone in the

785
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.960
chat can say, hey, I can hear David, that would

786
00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:03.000
be fantastic. I just want to make sure that we're

787
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:10.199
set up right first, David, no problem, We're gonna wait

788
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:19.320
it out here. Okay, we can hear perfect. We're ready

789
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.679
to rock, well, David, I know we we were planning

790
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.920
on chatting eventually, but I'm glad you called in. I'm

791
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.639
gonna let you go ahead and have the floor and

792
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.920
share would you would like to, And I might have

793
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.639
some questions. And also, guys in the in the comments,

794
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.960
if you've got questions, go ahead and throw those in

795
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.119
the comments, all caps please, and I'll put those in

796
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:48.159
two potentially, So David, go right ahead, sir, All.

797
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:51.920
Right, thank you, Jeremiah. So, my name is David Blayloc

798
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:55.440
and I grew up in northern California, very near where

799
00:47:55.480 --> 00:48:00.559
the Patterson Gimmlin film was filmed. And twenty years ago

800
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.760
me and my wife moved here to Goos Bay, Oregon,

801
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:09.159
which is southwest Oregon. And we've hunted elk and deer

802
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.760
and bear and everything, camped and done all the hiking

803
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:17.000
and stuff like that. And for like fifteen years, we

804
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:21.480
never had any experiences or anything that would lead you

805
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:25.360
to think something was going on until two thy and nineteen.

806
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:31.639
And in two thy and nineteen, two days before the

807
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.960
end of August, elk season started for both seasons for elk,

808
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.920
me and my wife and my sister she followed us

809
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.199
up there. We had our truck with a camper overhead

810
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.440
camper on our truck and she my sister, followed us

811
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:50.239
up in her car and she had her twottle dogs.

812
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.280
I mean, my wife had our little menpen dog. And

813
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.199
we drove up and it takes about an hour and

814
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.960
a half to get there. E'repe like fourteen miles up

815
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.000
a dirt road, a gravel road in parts of its dirt,

816
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:08.760
and it's really a thick area rainforests, a lot of

817
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.480
moss on the trees, and you really don't see the ground.

818
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:16.559
It's all just brush and ground cover under the trees

819
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:22.440
and stuff and big old growth trees. So twenty nineteen,

820
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.719
it was, I think it was August twenty sixth when

821
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.639
we got up there and we showed up the camp spot.

822
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.599
My sister had never been there before. And like I said,

823
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.360
me and my wife had hunted this area for like

824
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.320
fourteen years straight, camped in a tent for the whole

825
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:41.400
month and never had anything strange happen or anything but

826
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:45.159
this strip. We got up there two days before the

827
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.519
elk season started and because we wanted to do some

828
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.000
scouting and stuff and set up camp. And I had

829
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.800
a trail camera up there that I had set up

830
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.920
for two months, had it up there two months before

831
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:58.760
we got there. And so we got there that evening

832
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:01.360
kind of started getting camped up, and I ran and

833
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:04.119
got my trail camera right before dark and came back

834
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:05.760
and we checked it out and there was a bunch

835
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.000
of elk and deer stuff like that on there, but nothing,

836
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:14.199
you know, nothing else. And about ten o'clock that first night,

837
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:16.960
where me and my wife was kind of making noise

838
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:19.000
do some stuff, and my sister was standing there on

839
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.000
the road and it was like ten o'clock at night.

840
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.599
Like I said, it got dark maybe a half hour

841
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:28.360
or something before that. And my sister just like, well,

842
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.000
I guess we got company. And I kind of looked

843
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:32.840
at her. I'm like, what do you mean. She goes, well,

844
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:36.519
somebody just made like a banging noise sounded like a

845
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.239
tree off, but it was a bang up on the

846
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:40.480
ridge up there. And I'm like, where did it come from?

847
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.840
And she pointed, and I was my sister, there's nobody

848
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.639
up there. There's no roads, there's no trails. It's just

849
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:52.119
like a steep, thick hillside, like a mountain side. And

850
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:55.880
they'll have crews. Logging companies will have crews come through

851
00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.760
when after they like log an area they'll replant these trees,

852
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:03.280
and after about ten or fifteen years, they'll send cruise

853
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:05.719
in there and they'll cut down certain lunes to kind

854
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.719
of sin it, and they just leave those ones they

855
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:10.679
cut down just laying there. So I mean, it's like

856
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:14.079
a thicket can mean already walked through it. And so

857
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:15.719
when she said that, I was like, well, I'm just

858
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.599
telling you right now, there's nobody camping up there. And

859
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.000
she goes, well, I don't know what that was. And

860
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:26.519
so I'll make like a long story short shorter, I suppose.

861
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:32.719
And each day we had stuff like dumps sound like

862
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:37.880
they were being ripped apart, knocking bounds all around us,

863
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.719
and sometimes you'd hear like a knock, and then like

864
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.039
something was running through the brush like a knock, and

865
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.440
you could kind of hear it run off. And each

866
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:51.079
time I was like, you know, trying to write everything off, like, well,

867
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.360
it could have been elk, it could have been deer,

868
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:55.960
could have been there, and the knocking could be like

869
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:58.920
elk crashing antlers because it's about the time they start

870
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.440
their rut and stuff. Was trying to write everything off

871
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:05.559
as normal sounds you'd hear in the woods, but in

872
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:09.920
the back of my mind, you know, I I suspected

873
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:15.360
it wasn't normal sounds that you'd hear in the woods.

874
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:21.559
And so it was the fucking or third day of

875
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:23.760
hunting season, so it had been like the fifth day

876
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.719
we were up there. My sister rode with us, and

877
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:28.280
we drove up this road and we were going to

878
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.679
go on this one hunt. While we were driving up there,

879
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.079
we see a herd elk, and those elk instead of

880
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.320
just being like scattered like a herd would be, they

881
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:41.239
were all like growled in like a like a circle,

882
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:43.360
all really tight, and they were kind of just walking

883
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.760
around each other like real tight circle. And I thought

884
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:48.840
that was kind of strange. But there was a nice

885
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:51.519
bull in there, and the bull ended up just kind

886
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.440
of separating and going like walking off by himself. So

887
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:57.559
me and my wife get out of the rig and

888
00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.880
we're bull hunting, and my sister stayed in the truck

889
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.280
with the dogs, and I mean I just shut the

890
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:05.000
truck off and we just me and my wife got

891
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:08.239
out and started making our hunt, like walking around to

892
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.840
get the wind right and stuff and circling around so

893
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.519
we can make the stop one of that bowl. And

894
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.559
while we were walking down we couldn't hear it because

895
00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:19.199
we're down in the brush. I mean, like I said,

896
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.840
the brushes over your head, so you're just kind of

897
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.920
trying to sneak through the brush, but it's like kind

898
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.519
of rubbing on your head and on your body stuff,

899
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.320
so you couldn't really hear what's going on around you. Well,

900
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:33.440
my sister said, as soon as we left the road

901
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:37.000
and got into the brush, she heard three distinctive knocks,

902
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:40.079
one from like one side of the elk, one from

903
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:42.840
the other side, and one from like a triangulation. They

904
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:48.599
were like from three different areas. And while directly after

905
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:51.760
she heard that, she saw she saw us walking into

906
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.079
the brush, and she said, right behind us, coming the

907
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:57.280
same direction that we had went, she saw a black,

908
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.119
hairy figure and she did say what it was, but

909
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:06.920
just a dark black figure was walking the same trail

910
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:11.400
that we had walked, and like behind us. And so

911
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:15.000
we'd made our hunt and everything, and we we spoofed

912
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:17.159
the elk ended up and they all ran off. So

913
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.199
we went back to the truck after about an hour

914
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.440
or something, and my sister was like, did you guys

915
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.920
hear those knots? And we're like, no, she guys, did

916
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:27.639
you guys see what was behind you? And we're like no,

917
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.719
and she goes. She goes, brother's sister, I'm telling you

918
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.679
there was something walking behind you, guys, following you into

919
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:36.559
those elk and she goes, whatever it was, it was

920
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.400
black and it had you. It was like had hair on.

921
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:42.360
It wasn't like bald or brown or anything. It was hairy.

922
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:47.119
And we're like, oh, okay, And We've all three had

923
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.239
experiences before this. I'm just telling you, guys this experience.

924
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:57.159
And so about the sixth night, I think it was

925
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:03.440
after that, we were sitting around our camp spot, which

926
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:05.480
was just on side of this gravel road. There wasn't

927
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.159
any other We saw like one or two vehicles up

928
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:10.360
to this point, like a week into it, just a

929
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.920
couple vehicles driving by and we're way up in there,

930
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:15.639
but we're just camped on side this gravel road on

931
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:20.719
a pullout. So my sister smoked cigarettes and each time

932
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.000
she would get up, I would step up. So let

933
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:24.960
me back a little bit. Every night before this, we

934
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.320
would have our lantern. I had a shotgun because not

935
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:30.960
for anything, but like bears or mountain lions or whatever,

936
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:34.360
just for protection. I'd have my shotgun leaning against our camper,

937
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.480
and we'd have a flashlight in our lantern burning and

938
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:39.239
you know, just sit out there and just talk and

939
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.679
camp before we go to bed. And so this night

940
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:47.239
we only had a mosquito candle burning, like one of

941
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:51.760
those centronella mosquito candles, and so it was like really dark.

942
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.760
I didn't have my gun or my flash light out.

943
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:58.760
I just had this like little cheap headlamp on and

944
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:00.639
I had it on a green set, so when you

945
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.800
turn it on, it was green, and it didn't light

946
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:06.400
everything up very well, but you could see eye shine

947
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:11.440
really well. And so every time my sister would you know,

948
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:14.280
step up into the gravel getting out away from me

949
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.079
and my wife so the smoke wouldn't go on our face,

950
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:18.679
she would light her cigarette and I would just stand up.

951
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:21.320
And this is like ten o'clock at night again, and

952
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.800
so I stood up and shine my light, you know,

953
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:25.400
just to make sure there was no animals or no

954
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.960
bears around her or whatever. And so this time she

955
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.039
got up, and so I got up with her, and

956
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.480
we walked out into the road and I switched on

957
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.320
my light and she was lighting her cigarette and I

958
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:38.920
looked directly across the road because that was the closest trees.

959
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:41.440
And then I looked to my right down the road

960
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:46.000
and didn't see nothing, turned to my left and glow

961
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:51.599
and behold, here's this eye shine. And when I walked

962
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:53.559
over and looked to the left, I had walked about

963
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.320
ten feet away from my sister, just kind of. I

964
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.559
was just checking her surroundings, and I was like, oh,

965
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.320
we got eye shine like that. My sister's like, oh serious,

966
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:04.280
And she walked over and she saw the eyes. And

967
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.440
my wife was still sitting beside her camper in her

968
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:13.800
camp chair, and these eyeballs were like a foot apart,

969
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:17.760
and if I had to guess the size of them,

970
00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:20.679
each eye was like the size of a golf ball,

971
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.480
I guess or something. But there was like the shine

972
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:27.480
around it, and they were I had my light on green,

973
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:29.119
so I don't know if it was that, but they

974
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:35.679
were like an electric yellow, an electric yellowish green reflection

975
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.320
in the eye shine. And they were really close to

976
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.360
the ground, like a couple of feet off the ground,

977
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:46.159
but really far apart. And so I'm she's like, my sister.

978
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.480
My sister's like seriously, And she walked up and saw them,

979
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.880
and she was like just like hyperventilated. And she went

980
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.519
walking back to her car really fast and shut her

981
00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:58.519
dogs in the car. They were already in the car,

982
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:00.679
but she rolled up the windows in her car so

983
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:03.400
they wouldn't jump out. And my wife had our dog

984
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.039
and my sister, and I'm just locked onto this thing.

985
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:11.159
And it's not blinking, it's not looking away, it's just

986
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:15.440
sitting there, look staring right at me. And I couldn't

987
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.239
see what I was looking at, but you could just

988
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:22.800
see like the blackest shadow of it, but you couldn't

989
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:24.960
make out of shape. You could just see that there

990
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.800
was a body attached to the eyeballs. And so my

991
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.199
sister walks back up after she locked her car, and

992
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.719
I'm still just staring at it, and it's literally about

993
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:39.039
thirty yards from me maybe, and it's right on the

994
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.239
edge of the road, the gravel road that we're on,

995
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.760
but there's like a drop off and then it's like

996
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:48.639
a flat off down off that drop off. And so

997
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:50.960
my mind was thinking it was either a bear or

998
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.639
an elk, just like a quick thought. It was like

999
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.559
it's a bear or an elk. But my mind was

1000
00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:59.360
also saying it doesn't look right because bare eyeballs are

1001
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:01.679
a little They have little beady eyes and they're kind

1002
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:05.440
of close together, and elk can have big eyeballs and

1003
00:59:05.480 --> 00:59:08.320
are kind of spread apart. But the eyes were like

1004
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.679
a foot or two off the ground, which means an

1005
00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:13.639
elk would basically have to have its head on the

1006
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.320
ground for its eyes to be down there. And it

1007
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.239
didn't make no sense. And so my sister walked back

1008
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:22.159
up saw it again and just like and freaked out.

1009
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.280
And finally I was like, I was like, babe, if

1010
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:26.920
I need my flashlight and my gun right now, because

1011
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:29.039
I'm at this point, I'm still thinking it's a bear,

1012
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.679
That's what I'm kind of thinking. And so my wife

1013
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:34.320
I hear her get up out of her chair and

1014
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:36.360
go into our camper and I can hear like doom,

1015
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:40.320
and she was getting the flashlight and the shotgun and

1016
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:42.519
I'm still just standing there. I'm not moving my head

1017
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:44.639
and it's not moving, and we're just locked on each

1018
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:47.119
other and my wife I can hear it come out

1019
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.000
of the camper and she's walking up to my left

1020
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:53.079
and she goes, here you go bed, and literally she

1021
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:57.599
bumped my left arm and I turned just for I

1022
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.119
mean literally half suckond grabbed the flash light and the shotgun.

1023
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:05.119
It turned and whatever it was was already gone.

1024
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:07.320
Big for the society who would be right back after

1025
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:08.159
these messages?

1026
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:28.000
Literally half a sucking without a sound, and this place

1027
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.960
is thick rainforest stuff, I mean, just like thick brush.

1028
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:37.320
Somehow this thing was off the road and gone and

1029
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:41.239
a half a sucking at the most. And so I

1030
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:42.800
was like, where to go? Where to go? And my

1031
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:44.639
sister and my wife's like, I don't know, I don't know.

1032
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.280
So I was shining my flashlight around the road, you know,

1033
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.559
down the road and on each side of the road,

1034
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.079
and it was gone. So I kind of walked towards

1035
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.159
it and was shining down through the trees as the

1036
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:57.960
best I could, and nothing was there. And I was like,

1037
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.360
you guys want me to just because I'm still thinking

1038
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:02.119
bear at this point, but I was like, you guys

1039
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:04.280
want me just shoot a warning shot just to make

1040
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.920
sure you don't come back. And they're both like, yeah,

1041
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:08.760
go ahead. So I just put my shotgun up in

1042
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:11.679
the air and just you know, shot a shot off.

1043
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.559
And we stayed up for like an hour or something

1044
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.719
talking about it, and nothing happened that night, And so

1045
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.559
the next morning instead of going hunting at daylight, I

1046
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:23.440
got up and walked down the road just to look

1047
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.719
where it was. And it had been. Whatever it was

1048
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.960
was directly behind this kind of rotted stump, and you

1049
01:01:31.079 --> 01:01:33.880
could see on the hard packed gravel you could see

1050
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:37.639
like scuff marks like it pushed itself back off the

1051
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:41.920
road over that bank, like if it and my assumption

1052
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:46.480
was it whatever it was was laying with its body

1053
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:48.840
down off the road, down that little bank, and its

1054
01:01:48.920 --> 01:01:51.239
upper body was on the edge of the road looking

1055
01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:54.400
at us around that stump wasn't on stump, it was

1056
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:56.599
behind the stump. The scuff marks were about five feet

1057
01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:01.079
behind that stump, And so we discussed it and everything

1058
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:03.280
and thought that was really weird. So I'll just fast

1059
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:09.519
forward to like day nine of our hunt. Was everything

1060
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:12.199
was normal. I mean, like each day something was going on.

1061
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:14.760
We could hear stuff. It never saw anything and never

1062
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:19.920
had anything weird. Well, night of the ninth, about nine

1063
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:23.119
point thirty, as it's starting to get dark, you start

1064
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:28.639
hearing this owl, you know, just a classic like bard owl.

1065
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.719
And my sister was getting her drinking on me and

1066
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:34.800
my wife did drink or nothing, So we were just

1067
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.519
sitting there listening and my sister was calling back and

1068
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:39.480
forth this owl, and I was like, Keith, Cindy, you

1069
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:42.039
want me to call? She's like, yeah, go ahead, and

1070
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:44.280
so I would do the who you know call and

1071
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.039
the out me and the owl was talking back and

1072
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:49.519
forth for like a half hour. And my sister has

1073
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:53.000
this recorded on her phone, and I even joked about, Hey, Cindy,

1074
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:56.119
it's like on Jurassic Park with the owls keeping our

1075
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:58.679
attention over here while the other things sneaking up behind us,

1076
01:02:58.679 --> 01:02:59.800
and we laughed and stuff.

1077
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:00.280
It.

1078
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:04.440
So about ten o'clock, ten thirty at night, we're getting

1079
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.960
ready to go to bed, and my wife was wanting

1080
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.679
to take our little dog to the bathroom before we

1081
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.599
got in the camper. So she started walking the dog

1082
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.960
around on the leash and stuff. And our dog was

1083
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:18.760
like nervous and wouldn't go and go and go. So

1084
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:22.119
I walked over there and like, you know, Peanut, go mat,

1085
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:24.480
go to the bathroom, Peanut go poopye bee, and she

1086
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.079
just would and would and wouldn't. And so my sister

1087
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:29.440
was sitting over there by our camper, still calling back

1088
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:33.480
and forth to the owl, recording it, and and my wife, Didi,

1089
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.360
she was like, I think Cindy's calling is making our

1090
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.440
dog nervous. So I said, hey, Cindy, can you stop

1091
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.800
calling for a minute so Peanut can go to the bathroom.

1092
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:44.599
So she's like, okay, Well she stops recording on her phone,

1093
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:48.679
of course, and and you know it's quiet for a second.

1094
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:50.920
Our dogs still wouldn't go. So I picked up our

1095
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:54.199
dog and we were walking over to my sister, and

1096
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:56.159
right when I get to my sister, we hear the

1097
01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.719
owl go off again. So we all stop and we're

1098
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:01.599
and I'm holding our dog and we're looking up across

1099
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.199
that flat as a creek, and then it goes up

1100
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:10.199
the steep old growth treeze breed ridge and that was

1101
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.320
behind our camp. And so the owl was coming right

1102
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:16.320
across that flat, right those trees, like one hundred yards

1103
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.239
away or something like that. And but this time when

1104
01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:25.119
it called, it did like and it kind of went

1105
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.719
down into like this angry sound, like an angry owl,

1106
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.480
and immediately to the left of that it did like

1107
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:36.360
a kyote yep, like a coyote yip, and then left

1108
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:41.519
of that this roar that I mean freight trains and

1109
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:46.880
air horns and anything lion like African lions. If you've

1110
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.679
heard them at the zoo that roar they do. H

1111
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:55.719
that was nothing compared to the volume and the depth

1112
01:04:56.360 --> 01:05:00.320
and the I don't know how to explain it shook

1113
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.639
your chest. It was so loud, and you could hear

1114
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:09.400
the trees ringing like and then it was like dead quiet,

1115
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:12.280
and I just looked up, and I don't cuss very often,

1116
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.599
but I was like, what the F was that? And

1117
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:17.760
my sister and my wife were all just standing there.

1118
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.480
Our jaws just gaped open because it went from this

1119
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.800
angry owl to a kyot yp to this war and

1120
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:28.880
I was like, we need to go right now. So

1121
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:32.440
I literally grabbed my shotgun in my flashlight and stood

1122
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.599
there shining the direction it came from, while my wife

1123
01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:39.119
went and got her purse and our medicine bag and

1124
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.519
all that stuff like our essentials, and my sister was

1125
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:46.000
loading whatever she had outside of camp, just throwing it

1126
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.400
into a car, and we literally left our camper up

1127
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:52.679
there for a week and we just just beat feet

1128
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.320
down the road and we had to drive past that area.

1129
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:58.320
So I told my wife to drive and when we're

1130
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.760
going by, this is like I said, about thirty at night,

1131
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.000
I had my window down with my shotgun out the

1132
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.639
window and my flashlight shining in the direction just in

1133
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.840
case it was charging us as we were leaving it.

1134
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:11.639
We didn't know, you know, what was going to happen.

1135
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:14.320
So we ended up leaving our camper up there for

1136
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.039
a week. And a week later we went up there

1137
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:20.400
and I had trail cameras around our camper just because

1138
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.039
I had them around there, and we didn't get anything

1139
01:06:23.119 --> 01:06:25.320
on trail cameras or not, and our camper was fine.

1140
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:30.119
I didn't see any fingerprints or handprints on the windows

1141
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:33.480
or anything like that. Everything was normal. So we picked

1142
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:37.519
up our camper a week later, and we've never camped

1143
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:39.840
at that spot since. We've camped up in those woods,

1144
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:43.079
but never in that same spot. So that's kind of

1145
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:46.280
my twenty nineteen story.

1146
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.559
Who David, that's man? That is wild. I don't think

1147
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:55.199
I've talked to anyone else from that area yet, but

1148
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:57.599
I just want to say real quick, we've got about

1149
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:00.960
one hundred people watching live, and I just want to

1150
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.599
say thanks to everyone watching live. This is the Bigfoot

1151
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.840
Encounter's live show Bigfoot Society, and read that what's scrolling

1152
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.199
at the bottom. If you've got an encounter to call

1153
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:14.840
in with. But David Man, what an interesting And I

1154
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:18.000
was going to ask you about the pattern, if there's

1155
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:20.760
a pattern to the knox, but you already had mentioned

1156
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:25.639
that you were hearing like three That's a common thread

1157
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:28.599
I've heard come up in a few encounters, like you

1158
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:33.039
usually hear three knocks. So that's really interesting that you

1159
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:35.320
did bring that up where it was almost like the

1160
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:39.960
triangulation of the knocks going on as well. Did your

1161
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:43.159
sister tell you how far away or how far behind

1162
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.880
the figure was behind you guys when you left there's

1163
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:49.199
that black figure that was that was following you.

1164
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:54.719
She said it literally like when we she lost sight

1165
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:57.360
of us, we were probably I would say, you know,

1166
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.480
two or three hundred yards away from the when we

1167
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.159
entered into the brush to kind of make our sneak,

1168
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.000
And she said she could see us, you know, like

1169
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:07.880
parts of us every now and then kind of going

1170
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:09.880
through the brush. Yeah, and as soon as she lost

1171
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.039
sight of us, she said, from where she could see

1172
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:16.359
us going into the brush, like something immediately was falling

1173
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:20.560
right behind us, like like right behind us. I don't

1174
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:24.279
know how closed, but yeah, like literally, And so I

1175
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:28.760
kind of suspect this is just speculation that the reason

1176
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:31.239
why those elk were all in a bunch like that

1177
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:35.880
was maybe they were hunting those same elk. Yeah, that's

1178
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:36.560
just my thought.

1179
01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.960
Wow, that's yeah, I mean, that's that is wild. The

1180
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:43.800
part with the eyeshine was was very interesting. There's a

1181
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:47.119
few back and forth comments that were interesting. Tate what

1182
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:49.279
had some you know, he was like, well, maybe a

1183
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:51.159
mountain lion, and you know, I was thinking that too,

1184
01:08:51.239 --> 01:08:53.239
but I you know, I was also thinking that you

1185
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.359
had mentioned that the eyes were very big, and they

1186
01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:59.199
were they were super you know, far apart, and but

1187
01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:01.159
I was like, well, he said it was only a

1188
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:03.399
few feet off the ground. So then I'm thinking, well,

1189
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:07.000
maybe we're looking at some sort of like spider crawl

1190
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:11.880
or on All four's situation, which might explain how you

1191
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:16.359
could have the eyes so far apart but yet so

1192
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:20.119
close to the grounds. It's a very interesting situation. So

1193
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:21.560
I don't know if you have any thoughts about that.

1194
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:25.920
Well, I do, and I thought and my son was

1195
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:27.800
the first one to suggest, you know, here we call

1196
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.399
them cougars, but they're mountain lions. He thought that, and

1197
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:33.079
I was like, well, you know, it's possible, but look

1198
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:35.960
at a cat. Look at a cat. Their eyes are

1199
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.520
not they're not that huge. They're you know, pretty good

1200
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:42.399
size around, but they're not that far apart. And the

1201
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:46.079
weird thing is, Okay, that could be an explanation, but

1202
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:48.319
explain to me how it knew when I turned and

1203
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:51.079
grabbed the choku and in the flashlight, how at that

1204
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:54.000
instant that is when it was gone, you know that

1205
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:56.840
kind of was I suspected that was kind of weird,

1206
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:00.720
which I suppose if you unlock eye that might be

1207
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:02.720
when they moved. I mean, I could get that too.

1208
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:07.640
But the thing Jeremiah about it was that this was,

1209
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:10.039
like I said, the gravel road, and then where it

1210
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.479
was was right on the lip where it dropped down

1211
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.600
like about ten feet, like the bank dropped down like

1212
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:18.840
ten feet, and then there was a flat and it

1213
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.439
could have been like a spider crawler down in that

1214
01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:23.680
on all fours, or it could have been just laying

1215
01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:26.720
with its body off the road and its upper body

1216
01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:28.960
was on the road on the edge of the road.

1217
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:35.119
Whatever it was, it discussed hard at gravel you could

1218
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:40.319
see like three distinct guff marks were like, yeah, pushed

1219
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:41.079
itself back.

1220
01:10:42.039 --> 01:10:46.079
That's so interesting, And I mean, you guys had some

1221
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:48.920
weird stuff going on there, and it's cool that you

1222
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:52.399
guys were out there for not just two or three nights.

1223
01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:54.239
I mean you're out there for what'd you say, at

1224
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:56.520
least nine days? And then you had it out.

1225
01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:00.279
Yeah, that ninth night, we had it out. Me and

1226
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:03.039
my wife went camping the next weekend, but in a

1227
01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:06.119
whole different spot and I literally, I mean I've never been.

1228
01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:09.920
I'm not afraid of any animals, but literally I was

1229
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:12.079
in like cold sweat trying to go to sleep the

1230
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.279
first night back out camping. I was like, just leave

1231
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:17.680
me alone. Just leave me That's what I was thinking.

1232
01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:23.359
Right, Ah, that's wild. Let's see. Let's see here looking

1233
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:26.199
through to see if we have any questions for you here.

1234
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:28.840
Oh t is asking have you ever been to the

1235
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:30.399
Patterson Gimlin film site at all?

1236
01:11:31.159 --> 01:11:31.560
I have not.

1237
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:35.600
I've been. I've been been not. I haven't done the

1238
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:36.520
actual hiking.

1239
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:39.399
No sweat.

1240
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:41.319
And over and over.

1241
01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:46.000
Oh okay, you've got a oh yeah, can'k okay? Can

1242
01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:49.560
Squatch says, what about David's experience of something trying to

1243
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:51.560
get into his family's trailer when he was a kid.

1244
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.239
Yeah, that's a whole nother long story.

1245
01:11:57.079 --> 01:11:58.239
Gotcha, gotcha?

1246
01:11:59.039 --> 01:12:01.000
I could give a short version of it, or I

1247
01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:03.880
can wait, we can wait until I do the actual

1248
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.119
thing with you, if you want, or whichever you want.

1249
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.840
So I would say that maybe let's do a part

1250
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:11.840
two because I want to make sure that you can

1251
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:17.239
do all the details and give it, you know, give

1252
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:20.560
it all you need to. So let's let's maybe hold,

1253
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:23.600
let's wait until you come on the show, which I

1254
01:12:23.720 --> 01:12:24.520
know is coming up.

1255
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:27.680
So will I got a story and I got another

1256
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.159
one where it's basically your I felt like I grew up,

1257
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:34.119
which is in Weaberville, California, in Triney County, California, and

1258
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:40.479
that that one is a whole nether, a whole nether experience.

1259
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:44.279
So David, I'm excited to chat with you on the show.

1260
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:48.960
How are you? Do you go to any festivals in Oregon?

1261
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:54.880
There's one coming up that probably will go to. It's

1262
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:57.439
over I think it's over by oak Ridge or something

1263
01:12:57.520 --> 01:12:57.680
like that.

1264
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:01.319
I'll see you there, yeah or nice there you go.

1265
01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:03.479
I think I'll be at that and we go.

1266
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:08.119
We've been to the Bigfoot Museum with Cliff Bratman Museum,

1267
01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:10.239
been there, but really that's about it.

1268
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:11.479
Cool.

1269
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:13.720
At this point, we're going to lb L though.

1270
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:16.439
Oh you're going all the way out to l b L.

1271
01:13:18.039 --> 01:13:23.640
Yeah, we're going. When we're gonna be there, we're gonna

1272
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:28.479
arrive in and Nashville on a third, uh, and then

1273
01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:30.239
we're gonna actually go out to the l on the

1274
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:31.600
fort and then we're coming.

1275
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.720
Back on the eighth, just by yourself or you going

1276
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:35.319
out with a group.

1277
01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:39.079
Me and my wife are going there, and there's a

1278
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:40.840
whole huge group.

1279
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:44.279
Is it the thing that Squashing Hollers was talking about

1280
01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:44.880
in the comments?

1281
01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:46.600
Yeah?

1282
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:47.680
The mean great. Yeah.

1283
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:49.920
Oh man, dude, that's awesome. You're going all the way

1284
01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:56.279
out for that. We're flying man, yeah, m And I'm

1285
01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:58.239
in Iowa and I'm not even going someday.

1286
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:01.000
Oh man, you gotta go.

1287
01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:03.760
I know, I know. It sounds like it's not just

1288
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:05.479
going to be a one time deal. I bet it's

1289
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.600
going to be going on more than once.

1290
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:11.600
So yeah, you know, like with Sawdust, with be TV

1291
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:14.520
and stuff, they've they've done for years. So it's oh, okay,

1292
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.720
cool kind of not maybe an annual thing, but maybe

1293
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:19.279
every couple of years they do it.

1294
01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:23.319
I guess. Well, David, thank you so much for sharing

1295
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:27.439
your one story of it sounds like many stories, and

1296
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:29.960
we'll be chatting again in the future for sure.

1297
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.920
You're very welcome and I thank you for having.

1298
01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:36.880
Me on man yeap, talk to you later, dude.

1299
01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:39.680
All right, have a good one, all right.

1300
01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.119
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1301
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:50.000
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