We Couldn't Escape It.

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to two individuals,

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one about their encounter in remote Montana
and the other about their remote encounter

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around Kusbay, Oregon. If you've
experienced something similar to what they have,

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or have more information regarding Bigfoot or
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And now let's get on with the show,

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all right, Bigfoft Society. We've
got the privilege of talking to Kathy

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tonight. Kathy is a listener and
she contacted me regarding some things that have

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happened to her over the years.
I'm going to go ahead and give it

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right over to Kathy, but thank
you so much for for sharing tonight,

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Kathy, You're very welcome. Jeremiah. I appreciate you having a platform that

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allows somebody like me who's never talked
about this to actually have the opportunity to

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say something and just kind of validate
what I went through, you know,

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So thank you. I appreciate it
absolutely. I feel it's very very important

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to be able to give people a
platform where they feel validated, safe to

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speak about things without feeling like they're
going to get ridiculed. But so,

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Kathy, thank you so much for
green to come on. I'll go ahead

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and let you take it from here. Okay, Well, I guess the

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first thing to say is I was
born and raised in Montana. Forty three

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years of my life, I spent
from east to west, north to south,

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literally four hundred miles as the crow
flies east to west and three hundred

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north to south. I've been all
across Montana, living in different places,

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working in different places, and kind
of early in my life I ended up

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in a little tiny town called Pony
and that's at the base of Holotop Mountain

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in the Tobacco Root Mountains. Okay, this is in the middle of nowhere.

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Eighty some people was the actual amount
of people that lived in that town.

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So I was there in Abount ninety
eight or ninety nine, okay,

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And I traveled the same road back
and forth to both of my jobs there

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every single day except for one day
of a week, basically, and just

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one of these drives that I just
noticed this huge, monstrous bull moose had

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come down into the koolie right by
this road because it runs by this creek

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that feeds the whole koolie, so
that stays green all year long, whether

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there's no water anywhere else, that
spot's got water and green. So he

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showed up there, and so I
just started paying it because the guy kept

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being there and kept being there.
And so one night I got home from

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work and the other half was at
the house and I said, Hey,

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that moose. It's not dark yet, and that moose is right out there.

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Let's go take a look. I'll
show you because he wanted to see

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him. So we jump in a
Pontiac car and go driving down the road

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and it's getting like half dark.
You know, you could see shapes and

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stuff, but you couldn't really see
a lot of definition. So we went

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down there and we're looking for him
and could not see this moose and I

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had just passed him like twenty minutes
earlier, and he was just gone,

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and so I was like, well, maybe tomorrow I'll see him on the

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way. And the next day on
the way to work, I saw horns,

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is what I saw. Actually,
I slowed down and I was really

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looking, and all I saw was
like these horns. Piet kind of popped

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up from the grass and I went, oh, no, somebody shot that

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moose. That's the first thing I
thought is somebody had poached that moose and

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just shot it. And anyway,
I went to work and I felt awful,

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but I went back home and told
the other half again, you know,

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I know what happened in that moose. Somebody probably shot it, and

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he was rather upset about that.
But so we get in the car again

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and go down there, and this
is when this happened. It was the

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weirdest thing because there was a road
a little just an access road right off

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of the one that we were on. So we pulled in there, had

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the lights on the car on,
and he kind of swung it down into

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that koolie so that the lights would
go down to where I was trying to

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show him where it was at and
we saw it. We saw the horns

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again, you know, sticking up
out of the grass, and I said,

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you know, I'm sure somebody probably
shot that moose. And so we

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were just kind of sitting there and
on the I had the wind, we

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had all the windows down because it
was the middle of summer, and we're

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just sitting there, and I started
hearing something on the right hand side of

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me coming up that koolie in that
grass, and I'm like, well,

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there's something down here. So we
don't want to walk up on a moot.

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I'm not on a bear, you
know. I did not want to

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walk up on a bear or something
that was down there eating that moose.

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So he backed the car back out
into the highway and I looked over out

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the window and there was this brown
thing coming up the side of the hill

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and I went, oh, it's
a dog. And I'm because I saw

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it would look short because it was
this brown bear. And I'm like,

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oh, it's a dog. And
he's like, oh okay, and I

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said, no, it's not a
dog, it's a cow. Because it

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kept coming up the hill and it
was getting bigger and I could see this

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brown and a second later this horrible
stench just destroyed our car. It was

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the most disgusting smell I've ever smelled. And I said it is a bear,

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because I knew that a grizzly would
do that roll in the garbage that

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they're eating, and so I said
it is a bear and he took off.

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This thing was not a bear because
it was running beside our car.

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I could have reached out and touched
it. And I'm looking at legs.

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Now, that was the craziest thing. And I'm looking at these brownish gray

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legs and brown hair, and it
was beside us, and I could see

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pads of feet. I could see
this like brownish tank. It looked like

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leather, brown feet bottoms. I
could see these flashes as it was running,

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and I told him go faster.
I was just basically panicked at that

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point because I'm seeing just legs beside
me, and I'm just I'm not focusing

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on anything else except for this thing
could grab me right now. We're right

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next to each other, and so
he just took off as fast as that

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car would go, and we basically
on the drive home, We're been kind

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of too much shock, and I
was shaken like a leaf I was little,

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really jello inside, and I just
looked at him and I said,

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did you see that? You know, because I wasn't sure if he had

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seen what I had seen. And
he said, I don't want to talk

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about it. And I said,
did you see that? What did you

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see what I was looking at?
And he said, I don't want to

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talk about it. And Jeremiah,
I thought about this for a long time.

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I really did, and I'm like, why will he not talk to

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me about this? But a long
time getting to really know somebody. He

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was a very he was a bully. Honestly, I'm not going to talk.

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I don't want me talk about about
anybody, but I need the backstory

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here for his reaction. And I
finally figured it out. He's always a

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belligerent and a bully, you know. He was the big man, and

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he always got his way or the
highway. And that night was the only

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light I ever seen him show fear. I never saw him show fear at

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any other point in time. And
this man was burned from head to toe.

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He went through terrible things and he
just gritted his teeth and buried it.

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But he was scared to death that
night. And I think that's why

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he would never talk to me because
that was the only time he ever showed

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me absolute fear of something. You
know, he wasn't the big man in

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the woods. And so that was
the first time something strange happened. And

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that was over in the Tobaccoy Mountains
and that was it was like three four

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years later, we moved to another
town north of Paradise Valley and hunted in

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the Gallatin and Custern National Forest.
We went to the Absolocus. We were

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all over the place, Custer and
sweet Grass all down through there. And

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we actually took a hunting trip one
day south of Livingston on the west side

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of the Highway and that's the Custern
National Forest area there and you can go

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out there and hunt elk. So
that's what we were doing. I had

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a thirty at six, he had
a two seventy, and we just went

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out there and we're walking, parked
the vehicle and we're walking. It was

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the middle of the day. We're
walking out there and I was about fifty

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yards behind my ex husband, my
husband at the time. I kept a

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little distance because if he saw something, he would basically just freeze and then

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I would freeze, you know,
and that's how he wanted it. And

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so I was about fifty months behind
him, just trailing him, and I

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kept hearing something behind me, and
I kept saying, there's somebody or something

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out here behind me, because every
time you stop and I stop, I

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hear something. Then it stops and
then we go and I said, this

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is really unnerving. I don't want
to be this far away, and he

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got annoyed with me, but he
said, okay, So we kind of

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kind of got to together down into
these bottoms. You know, you got

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the mountains up at the top,
but then at the bottom they're pretty clear,

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they're grassy areas, easy to get
through and walk through. And so

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I kept hearing that he and I
said, why don't you go, you

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know, behind me for a minute, and you might hear this. And

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so we just kept walking and he
said, yeah, I hear something,

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but I'm not sure what it is. But it did not sound like an

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animal. It just did not sound
like an animal. It was just weird.

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And as we're going along, all
of a sudden, the brush to

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the right of us just exploded and
this huge cow moose came running just out

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of those freaking bushes and right in
front of us and just kept on going.

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That thing acted like we did not
even exist. And that was when

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I said, Okay, I'm very
uncomfortable with this situation. I don't care

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what gun you have. There's something
happening here because she didn't even look at

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us, So something bigger than us
is after her. You know, that's

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my logic. I'm logical and rational. I'm thinking, if that thing ain't

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even looking at us and being worried
about it, there's something worse coming up

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the hill. And I just get
that horrible sick feeling like something very bad

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is about to happen here. But
we turned around. We turned around because

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I did actually tell him I'm not
going any further. I'm not going to

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do that anymore. I'm not going
to walk into a bear. And that's

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what I kept thinking to myself,
it's got to be a bear. I

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always blame it on bears first and
foremost, but that did not sound like

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a bear that most just didn't seem
like, you know, she even cared

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that we existed, and she just
went right past us. But the one

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weird thing, Jeremiah, I was
gonna tell you about Pony. Those are

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the two different places. Anyway,
I had these weird ex experiences. But

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the one thing about Pony is where
we lived. We lived right at the

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base of hall Atop, and so
our neighbors had a house beside us they

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rented, and then their house.
On the back of their houses, they

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had huge motion sensor flood lights,
okay, on the back of these houses

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that were beside us, the two
beside us, and they had a four

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and a half foot picket fence around
their house. And so at night,

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when I was by myself, the
lights would just flash on. I'd go

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look at it. You know,
oh, there's some deer or there's the

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dog outside or whatever. But occasionally
you would go out there to the window

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and look, and the deer would
be screaming through that failed and right into

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their yard where those lights would come
on, and then keep on going.

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And then just split second later,
you'd see a big cat chasing them right

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through the yard. Those those mountain
lions up there would come right through the

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yards after those deer, and you'd
see the big four and a half foot

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tail flipping above the fence, and
you knew it wasn't the dog out there,

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so you stayed in the house for
a while. But that was just

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a Honestly, in the wintertime,
that was almost normal occurrence. Those deer

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to run right down that creek,
right to the backyards in those big lighted

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you know, big lit up places, and sometimes you'd see something chase them.

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Sometimes you wouldn't. But sometimes those
deer would come down there so fast

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and nothing would follow them into the
light, and they would sit there in

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that yard and you could see them
shaking. I mean, you could see

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these deer quivering, but they didn't
run like they did when the mountain lions

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were behind them. They kept going. But occasionally these deer would come down

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there and get into those yards,
those two yards, and they wouldn't move.

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They'd just sit there shaking, and
nothing come into the light. And

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those are the questions that I have. Was something out there that knew I'm

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not walking into those lights. I'll
chase a deer, but I'm not walking

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into those lights because the cats didn't
care. You see what I'm saying.

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They didn't care about a light.
They were chasing that deer down. So

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just weird stuff like that happened up
there. The moose, we had another

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moose. It was a calmose when
she would drop her twins. She had

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twins three years in a row up
there, and when she would drop her

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twins, she would do it right
there in that field with those lights.

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That's where she would raise those two
twins, right there in the back by

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the crik, where those huge lights
were on all night, because every time

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she moved it turned on. So
that's another thing that I questioned too,

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was that mosse understanding that as long
as they're here, they're safe. You

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know. That also made me wonder
that there's something out there that's enormous that's

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three times as tall as a normal
Pontiac car at least, I mean,

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because all I saw was legs and
feet. That's the only thing I saw.

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And so you know, that's really
my experience is in a couple of

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the things I have questions about,
like were they responding to something out there

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that I didn't even I didn't have
to believe myself at the time, you

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know what I mean. But that's
that's really what happened, is seeing it

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right by the car. That was
the That was the big thing for me,

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as actually I could have reached out
and touched it at the time,

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but thank goodness. It didn't touch
me. You know, that is an

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incredible account. It's just it's very
man. I don't even know how I

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would handle it. Were the windows
down in the car really, so it

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was, Oh my goodness. So
you're in this now you're saying a Pontiac

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car, was it? It's a
Bonaville. It's a Bonaville. So that

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was it was like a nineteen ninety
okay, which is lower to the ground,

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right, yes, okay, but
you had the windows down. Oh

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man, Well, yeah, it's
Montana in the middle of summer. You're

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gonna have the windows down. You
don't run the acy. Yeah, that

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makes total sense. So you had
mentioned that you could see the legs,

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the pads of the feet. Did
you notice any other part in addition,

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I I don't know if I heard
anything. That's I'm makes me wonder because

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I thought it was, like like
I say, I was my brain was

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triggering what could this be? And
it was just getting bigger, and so

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my brain was going bigger and bigger. And when I thought it was like

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a cow beside us, I thought
I heard like a cow huffing. When

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a cow runs, they will huff, you know, they they labor and

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so I I thought, that's why
I thought it was a cow, because

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it was like shorter two three inch
brownish hair, and I think I heard

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it huffing, and that's why I
thought at first, Oh, that's gotta

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be a cow. But then it
kept coming up the side of the koolie

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right to our car. I mean, he was headed right to us.

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That was the problem is that my
brain was not working fast enough to go,

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what is what am I looking at? Until I was just looking at

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legs right and then like I said, I could see the feet pads and

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it was just these enormous, enormous
legs. I didn't see any arms,

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hands. I don't know if he
had him up or what, but I

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just there's not much else. The
smell was the worst part. The smell

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made me literally I was gagging.
I was gagging. It was so bad.

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And it stayed in that car.
It lingered with the windows down eighty

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miles an hour. It was horrid. So you saw it come up the

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banks of the Kooli to the car. You said that you're you weren't really

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thinking of what was going on at
the time, But do you remember,

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like looking at the creature at that
time, like looking at its face or

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anything like that, or no,
there wasn't any It was coming up sideways.

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So all I was basically seeing was
I believe I think I was seeing

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like head shoulders coming up or something
as it was coming up the side.

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But it was coming like what do
you call it, like at a thirty

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five to forty five degree angle,
coming up that hill as we were turning

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around and trying and getting ready to
go, So it was coming up at

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an angle almost kind of beside behind
me. So when I'm looking, I'm

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seeing this just this brown stuff to
my right as it's coming up there.

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And that's what got me is we
kind of crested together. Basically it got

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to the top of there at the
same time that we turned. We had

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turned around, so he basically turned
around and put me right beside this thing.

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When he turned to the left to
go back, he put me right

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beside it. And that's when I'm
looking out directly beside me, right at

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the mirror, with this thing beside
us running. That's that's my biggest when

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I saw it the most is right
there at the mirror when it was running

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beside us. At any point,
did you get a feeling for how tall

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it was. Like I say,
it had to be what at least three

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times the size of that car?
And when I got out of the car,

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I'm a short person, okay,
so let's say four feet three feet

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three and a half four feet it
was enormous. Like is all I saw

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was legs, like right above the
knee down. Literally I could see the

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knee movement. But that's just it
was right there, is what I was

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looking out out that window, like
at three and a half feet, so

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eight nine feet probably I would say
something like that, Yeah, wow,

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did you ever go back to look
at that area after this had happened?

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Did you go back the next day? Or is just you were staying away

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from that area? I had to
drive past it every single day to go

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to work. I didn't have a
choice. That was the crazy part is

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I would literally for a long time, I would just pray, please just

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get me pass that spot. Please
just get me past that spot. You

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know. That's what And that's stupid
because that thing could be anywhere everywhere.

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Seriously, it could be long gone. But in my brain, I was

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like, just get me past that
spot. That's all I care about.

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I don't want to break down there, no, you know what I mean?

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Oh yeah, definitely. I mean
to have to probably relive that over

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and over in your mind daily on
the way to work. That would be

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not a fun time for sure.
That area that you lived in, was

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it a thing where people whatever talk
about Bigfoot? Ever? Oh, they

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would talk about their cows missing.
Yeah, because there was a couple of

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really big black angus ranches right there
in that valley. Pony was kind of

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up in the mountain, and all
that entire valley, all the way down

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to basically Ennis is nothing but cattle
land, raising lands, things of that

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nature, And they would talk about
them, are cows disappearing when they have

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them down in the valley. They
would actually just you know, go out

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one day, feed the cows,
next day, feed the cows, and

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then they're like, wait a minute, where's that where's that cow? Where's

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four fifteen or where's two ninety one, you know what I mean? And

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they were just gone. And so
they did talk about that a lot.

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And they I don't know if any
of them had their own encounters at any

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time, but those cattle ranchers are
close mouth about their land. They don't

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talk about much of anything down there. You know, they don't want to

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talk about wolves, they don't want
to talk about bears, they don't want

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to talk about anything because if somebody
goes after their cattle, the three s's

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you know what that is, right, that's that's kind of how that works.

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Three I don't sorry, shoot shovel
and shut up, okay, gotcha?

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Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's how that works.

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So that's why I say they're kind
of tight lipped around there, because

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that's just the law of the land. So I'm sure they would not want

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to discuss anything like that that somebody
might want to protect. Seriously, it's

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just how it is with land.
So I don't know, going off of

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what you've experienced, you know,
some brief interactions, have you ever thought

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to yourself had to work through,
like what you think these might actually be.

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I would say that they're they're an
animal. Honestly, they're just an

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animal. I don't think that they're
demons. I don't think that they're nephilom

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I don't think there are any of
that. I think they're animals. Plain

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and simple logic and reason tells us
the simplest answer is usually the correct answer

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correct? Is that not right?
I'm sure yep, yep, that is

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that is a logical thing. Yeah, yeah, So I really do I

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think they're just animals. Yes,
I do believe they're intelligent. I mean,

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I know that animals are intelligent.
I absolutely know that they can.

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They can figure stuff out that they
probably can mimic us and talk, and

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they probably have their own communication and
their own words and things of that nature.

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That's fine. I mean, have
you seen a murder of pros One

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of them learned something? Everybody learns
it because they sit around and they chatter

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it, you know, so they
just start learning this stuff. I don't

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think they're stupid animals. I think
they're extremely intelligent animals. But I do

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believe they're still animals being a verse
and that that's lived in Montana for so

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long. I've talked to a few
people from Montana, and there's some really

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interesting things that happen up there.
I'm just curious if it's anything you've ever

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heard of. Have you ever heard
of people finding like grizzly bears that have

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had their necks broken in Montana?
You have, yes, Paradise Valley,

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Yes, Paradise Valley. They actually
I kind of know. I had it

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in at the time down there with
somebody that was involved with that stuff.

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But they were actually finding these grizzlies
dead, and the park Service, the

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rangers, they knew about it because
that's kind of where the line came from.

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Where the information came from, was
through the through that I used to

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do some other stuff law enforcement wise
for quite a few years there in Montana,

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and that's where they were that came
from, but directly from the Park

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Service. Yeah, they're finding dead
grizzlies in Paradise Valley, and they're finding

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dead camp up Incaster National Forest.
They're finding like people on one side of

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a mountain ridge and their entire packs
and shoes and everything else seventeen eighteen miles

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away on another side of the mountain. I don't know if anybody's ever talked

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to you about those, but that's
something that actually happens here, and they

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don't know why these people are dead
in one spot and all their stuff is

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somewhere else if they you know,
and they're just dead. I believe that

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was called out in That's a Missing
four on one thing with David Plaiti's I

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think as I remember, Yeah,
he's done that documentary. Yep, he's

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done that. Yep. That's right, and that's not a lie. That

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is the absolute truth. Like I
said, I had some inns with these

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places, and that is the truth. That's crazy and I'm the first time

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I read and I was like,
there's got to be a logical explanation.

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There's no logical explanation for finding that. There's no logic. These people knew

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what they were doing out there.
They were well prepared. It's not like

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it was the first time they went
on a hike. You know, something

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happened to these people. It's I
remember looking into that myself, and it

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just it does not make sense at
all. Going back to the grizzlies,

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do you say that so they were
found they were found dead, but you

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said their necks were broken as well. Not only their necks were broken,

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but they were actually their bodies were
mangled. They weren't just somebody broke their

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neck and let them lay there.
They were mangled bears. And that's what

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the problem was, because they're like
a wolf pack is potentially capable of doing

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this, you know, absolutely capable. If the pack goes after a bear,

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it's possible. Okay, so we're
in the realm of possibility. But

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who's going to mangle that body and
not eat it? That's the thing.

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If the wolves are going to take
the time and energy to kill a bear,

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they're going to eat it because they've
wasted all their energy killing it.

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You know what I mean? Absolutely? Can can you just you said the

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bodies were found mangled? Can you? And not to get too crazy,

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but can you describe like what that
exactly means? That they were just broken

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like they're not They were legs broken, they were mangled like twisted backs and

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all kinds, just mangled like they
had been manhandled to the poine of death,

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just manhandled to the point of they're
just mangled and left there. And

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that's what I say. If they
were if they were killed by another natural

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predator, that predator doesn't take all
of that time and energy to kill something

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like that unless they're going to eat
it. That's just natural selection, you

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know, the energy they spend,
they have to get a reserve. Again,

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they got to eat it, and
you're saying that it was just left

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there. They're just left there,
Yes, And they have the pictures of

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them, that's the thing. And
I don't know why people are so tight

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lipped about this business. You know, if there's if that's happening down in

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the bear Tooth and Absorca wilderness,
that's a playground for millions of people every

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year. You know what I mean? In your thoughts? What could break

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the neck of a grizzly bear on
the very edge of the realm of possibilities.

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Okay, this is all I'm going
to say. On the very edge

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of the realm of possibilities. I
have seen bull elk and bull moose that

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could probably do that if they absolutely
had to in some weird way with their

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horns. That's the only thing that
would be big enough and strong enough to

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even attempt to do something like that. There is nothing else out there.

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That's why I said the wolves are
not going to do that. Wolves are

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not going to do They can't.
They don't have hands. There is no

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other option. And I'm sorry,
but that's the truth. There are big,

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big, big animals out there that
are I think that that's what's happening.

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I really do. I think that
that's what's happening. I think they're

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being killed by Bigfoot. End of
story. There's no other logical explanation,

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So I'll tell you it's something that's
come up at random times. Over the

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last few years. There's been interviews
where talk to a gentleman in Oregon where

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he found a black bear that was
pretty much mangled by a bigfoot. There

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was a hunter that was mangled by
bigfoot northern Alabama in a similar way,

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and just it's wild when you start
to connect pieces from different parts of the

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country like that. So I was
talking to a gentleman a while ago named

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Ken Metzker. He's a bigfoot researcher
in Montana. Have you ever heard anything

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where there could be connections between missing
for on one cases and bigfoot. Besides,

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you know, we did already talk
about the one person that was found

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on the side of the mountain,
But did you have any thoughts about that?

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Oh? Absolutely, because once I
started connecting the dots myself, other

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things that I was listening to and
reading and seeing were just like absolutely mind

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blowing to me, thinking that,
oh my gosh, this possibly could be

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one of the biggest shocks to people
out there. It really could. It

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could be one of the biggest things
that ever happens, is in finding out

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that these people they go out here, they're not just they're not just disappearing.

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They're they're not just you know,
walking off the trail for no dang

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reason. These people something's happening to
them, end of story. And if

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that's what it is, then that's
what it is. We need to start.

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Like I'm saying, I'm based in
logic and reality, you know,

408
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:25.799
and that's the most logical explanation for
any of it is. Actually, but

409
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:30.079
actually seeing something like that and putting
all these little pieces together that I didn't

410
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:34.720
understand at the time, it does
point me in only one direction, really

411
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:40.119
does. These people are coming in
contact with something like that out there,

412
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:45.720
and they're getting the short end of
the stick. Absolutely. Over the years,

413
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.400
have you ever heard of any other
strange things that have been happening in

414
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:55.079
the Paradise Valley area. Well,
there was only one other thing that happened

415
00:31:55.119 --> 00:32:01.599
and was extremely tragic, but this
was over in the eastern side of the

416
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:08.079
state. Was the middle of winter, probably two thousand and eight, something

417
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:13.039
like that. Two thousand and nine, we had a gentleman that we knew.

418
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.920
He took off to go hunting on
his four wheeler. Okay, he

419
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:21.160
had his four wheeler all packed up
because he was headed out. He was

420
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:28.720
going to stay out, and he
disappeared, and later on, once the

421
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:36.000
ice kind of broke, they found
him attached to his four wheeler in the

422
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:40.799
river, and they were like,
what would make somebody who knows this place,

423
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:44.920
who was born and raised here,
who has hunted here their whole life,

424
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:51.680
what would make somebody veer off course
and drive over a river they know

425
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:59.400
is not frozen. He absolutely knew
that was not frozen. And it makes

426
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:05.079
me think, why what would scare
someone that bad that they would lose all

427
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.240
all thoughts of safety and drive onto
a river they know is not frozen.

428
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:17.599
And his boot got stuck on the
bottom peg on his four wheeler and it

429
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.839
killed that man. He went down
with his four wheeler. Now, I

430
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:30.039
don't know what else would make you
that afraid. You know, absolutely,

431
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.759
That's something I've always questioned. Why
would a person do that, that is

432
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.960
so intelligent, so good at being
outdoors, Why would he do that?

433
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:49.920
If the missing four on one events. It's not something that I've looked a

434
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.720
lot into, But the things that
I have looked into, it's just it.

435
00:33:54.480 --> 00:34:00.039
It does not make sense, and
it's just a very scary thing that

436
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:06.759
it does happen, then maybe I'll
start to hear more about different things as

437
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:13.679
well. If you had the ability, or you could make the decision too,

438
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:22.679
would you choose to have an interaction
or see a bigfoot creature again or

439
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:29.239
is it something that you would rather
not take part in. No, I'm

440
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:34.960
kind of a I'm kind of an
odd duck, Jeremiah. I don't really

441
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.079
get Once I think about something and
get it in the right place in my

442
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:45.639
head, once I get it straightened
out in my head, I'm pretty logical

443
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:50.360
and really level. Honestly I did. I was a nine one one operator

444
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.199
for several years, and everybody told
me that was the best job I ever

445
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:58.960
did and got because when crap is
happening, I don't panic. Okay,

446
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:01.840
I'm not the pan I'm the person
that will stand there and watch it happen

447
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:07.400
and take note of everything that happens. I'm not a panicker. So after

448
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.880
I thought about it, I really
did. I started listening to stuff and

449
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.840
really researching stuff more, and I
thought, you know, to me,

450
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.119
I think it would be I think
it would be crazy, but I you

451
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.440
know, I think I would.
I want to know this, I really

452
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:29.000
do. I want to be one
hundred percent sure, and I don't like

453
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.800
that question mark in my head for
so many years that I could never talk

454
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.920
to anybody about because I always did
think these people will think I'm nuts.

455
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.559
They're gonna put me up in the
looney bin if I say anything about this.

456
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.320
But I do, I fully,
I really do think it scared the

457
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.159
crap out of me at the time, But after I thought about it,

458
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:57.360
I would actually not mind seeing one
from a distance, down in a coolie

459
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:00.840
like I say, or across the
mountain, you know, down in the

460
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:04.320
valley while I'm up here on the
side. I think it would be really

461
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:09.480
interesting to actually see a full figure, the whole thing, and know what

462
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.039
it was, you know what I
mean, instead of have these questions.

463
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:19.559
Absolutely, it would be very interesting. You know. I haven't had the

464
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.760
opportunity yet, but it would be
very interesting to be able to actually have

465
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:29.039
a visual for sure. Since you
brought it up, do you have a

466
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.320
question and you can choose whether to
answer it or not, of course,

467
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:37.239
But during your time working nine one
one, did you ever receive any calls

468
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:44.079
of people that had seen a bigfoot. No, I just received calls of

469
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:51.000
the people on the reservation disappearing because
I worked in an area that also covered

470
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:57.039
two reservations, and there was there's
always a lot of disappearances there, and

471
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:01.679
sometimes they would find the people's bodies
and in the in the river. Sometimes

472
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.559
they would never find them at all. Sometimes they would find them on the

473
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.880
side of a road. Those were
the weird ones because it really didn't seem

474
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:16.440
to be any real explanation for what
happened to these people. They just disappeared

475
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.440
and sometimes they were found and sometimes
they weren't, and that was about it.

476
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:30.480
Wow, that would be definitely I
think, what does take a special

477
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.199
type of person to be able to
take calls for that? And it sounded

478
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:38.840
like you were definitely well equipped to
do that. Well, I appreciate that.

479
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:43.639
That's my entire that's really been my
my most of my entire life.

480
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.400
That's been my way I earned my
living, you know, as things like

481
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:52.519
that, and so I'm I was
hesitant to say anything at first, but

482
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.000
then I thought, you know,
I'm just gonna I'm just gonna talk about

483
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.360
it and then I'm going to put
it to rest. And I'm in Arkansas

484
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:07.679
now, in Arkansas's I did not
have any idea about all the sidings here,

485
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.119
so now I'm like, oh,
man, did I go from the

486
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.039
frying pan into the fire or what? Well, Kathy, you may have

487
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:22.840
depended on where you are. What
if you're in northwestern Arkansas, you did?

488
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:28.559
I did? Oh my goodness.
Yeah. I mean I get so

489
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:35.199
many reports and people talking to me
about northwest Arkansas Buffalo River. And then

490
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:42.280
you've got like, because that's close
to hittah A National Forest, southeast Oklahoma.

491
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:47.519
I mean that whole area is just
wild with bigfoot. Yeah, yep.

492
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.440
I live right in the middle of
the National Forest and by Lake Greece.

493
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:59.599
So and that it's X marks the
spot basically, Jeremiah, Oh so

494
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:05.039
the Washtaes. Yeah you're there?
Yeah, wow the thing? Yeah?

495
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:09.679
Is this whole place? Man?
Holy moly, Yeah, this place.

496
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:15.159
I won't go anywhere at night I'm
not familiar with. And I'm seriously because

497
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.920
I'm I don't want that by myself. I don't ever want to have that

498
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:23.480
interaction by myself. I don't,
So I'm pretty picky about where I go

499
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:30.760
here. You know, it seems
like in that area that subject would come

500
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:34.800
up pretty easily. Has that ever
come up in conversation with other people down

501
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:37.960
there? I've got a couple guys
that do a bunch of fishing all over

502
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:44.679
the place. They've actually had little
stories that they told me about somebody bothering

503
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.559
them. And I'm not going to
say anything to these people. I work

504
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.679
with these people, and the last
thing I want them to do is,

505
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:53.599
like I said, I think I'm
a nut job or something. So they

506
00:39:53.639 --> 00:40:00.960
have these interesting stories about their like
their boat going what he ca when you

507
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:05.920
more your boat basically right when you
go up and land your boat, that

508
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.079
they would camp out, do their
fishing, camp out and get up in

509
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:13.519
the morning and somebody had on moored
the boat and it's gone, you know,

510
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.679
and they're like, who could do
that? You know, why would

511
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.280
someone do that? And who could
do that? And just little things like

512
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:28.400
that. But they've never said anything
about seeing anything or hearing anything. If

513
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.599
you wanted to look more into it, you're in the right area for sure.

514
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:35.320
I mean, that's exactly how I
feel. And you know, honestly,

515
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.360
I'm becoming more and more and more
curious over time, and I think

516
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:45.840
it's because of just all of the
information that's out there. I just I

517
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:52.280
just actually voraciously, you know,
go through information over time, and I

518
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.159
just listen to everything I can and
read all of this stuff, but I

519
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.880
really do believe, honestly, this
isn't the animal. You know, people

520
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:06.880
put so much behind it and everything, and sometimes yeah, weird crap can

521
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.920
happen around them. Absolutely, I'm
not disclaiming discounting anybody's stories. I don't

522
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.239
know anything about this. This is
just my opinion is that they're they're animals,

523
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.119
you know, and they're out there, and people should just be aware,

524
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.239
you know, that that's a potential
something could happen, you know,

525
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:29.880
just be careful. I would really
hope, you know, in our lifetime,

526
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:36.440
hopefully we get the final answer,
you know, whether that's a that's

527
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:42.840
some specimen or something's captured. It
would be great if we could get some

528
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.079
some final answer. But we will
see, right, Yeah, it'll come

529
00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.119
around. Eventually, it'll come around. That's all there is to it.

530
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.400
That The only thing that needs to
happen is there actually needs to be a

531
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:59.039
concerted effort between all these different groups. Seriously, people need to say,

532
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:04.440
Okay, put all differences aside,
We're going to blanket this entire area,

533
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:07.000
whichever area may be that's the most, that has the most sightings, or

534
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:13.920
that just blanket the entire area with
so many people and so many trail cams,

535
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.000
and just do that, you know, come together. That's the only

536
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:21.360
thing I see when I listen to
all this stuff. Everybody's doing their own

537
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.760
little thing, and that's awesome.
But if you really want to make an

538
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:30.320
impact, work together. Make it
happen, because boots on the ground is

539
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:32.679
what is going to find this.
That's what's going to find this. No,

540
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.480
I agree. I mean, first
off, focus on you know,

541
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:43.239
whether it's a certain area in southeast
Oklahoma or maybe Pacific Northwest. But yeah,

542
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.920
just make it like almost a search
and rescue but you know, kind

543
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:52.599
of different. Get everyone, but
you got to have the manpower behind it.

544
00:42:52.679 --> 00:43:00.119
And I don't know, get Yeah, it always comes back to if

545
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.079
the government's involved or not. That's
what it seems to come back to in

546
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:09.480
these chats. But I'm not too
sure about that one. Well that's kind

547
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.960
of why I think that way,
because that's you know, part of the

548
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:21.280
job that I did was also support
for search and rescue, ambulance, fire,

549
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:23.639
you know, all of that.
And that's exactly how I feel.

550
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:28.559
You take the map out, you
grid your map, You put these people

551
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:30.880
here at this grid, these people
here at this grid. You know,

552
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:35.280
that's exactly what my mind went to, Jeremiah, honestly, is more blank

553
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.159
search and rescue, because how do
you find a little girl in the middle

554
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:47.199
of nowhere Custer County, Montana,
that's nothing but flat planes and dry scrub

555
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:52.880
brush and all of this stuff.
You know, a little girl went missing

556
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.039
out there. It took us three
and a half days to find her.

557
00:43:55.320 --> 00:44:00.559
She was less than a mile away
from home. Oh wow, people getting

558
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.519
on four wheelers and horses and walking
that area after three days that found her.

559
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:12.800
That's how you do it, you
know. Absolutely. Yeah, something

560
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.119
to think about, and it'd be
an interesting conversation to start having in the

561
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:22.719
community, I think, Kathy,
it's been a really enlightening conversation. And

562
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:29.920
thank you for finally sharing publicly what
you've experienced over the years. I wish

563
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.360
you the best down in Arkansas.
Hopefully, well, unless you want it

564
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:39.719
to hopefully things are pretty calm down
there for you. But yeah, that's

565
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:45.920
why I'm crossing my fingers about to
Jeremy. It's just just don't break me

566
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:51.719
out too bad, Okay, that's
exactly Yeah, no doubt for allowing me,

567
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.280
honestly, for allowing me to just
get all of this stumb off on

568
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:59.320
my chest and say this is what
happened. Okay, Now I can put

569
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.039
it to bed. That's what I
needed. Seriously, absolutely, Oh,

570
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.400
I appreciate that a lot. Thank
you, Kathy. You're welcome. You

571
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.559
have a wonderful evening. It's been
a pleasure. Take good care of yourself.

572
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:24.440
Okay, unknown, let's go,
boy, why to accept? Press

573
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:31.400
one to send a voicemail? Press
two? Hey is this David? It

574
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:37.480
is? Is this David Blaylock it
is? Did I say that? Maria?

575
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:42.400
Yeah? You? Ah, okay, very good. Hey, thanks

576
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:46.679
for calling you did You've already filled
out the form, right I did.

577
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.079
That's right. Let me make sure
that people can hear us in the If

578
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.960
someone in the chat can say,
hey, I can hear David, that

579
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.920
would be fantastic. Just want to
make sure that we're set up right for

580
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:13.920
David. No problem. We're gonna
wait a oh yeah, okay, we

581
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.719
can hear perfect, We're ready to
rock. Well, David, I know

582
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:21.440
we were planning on chat and eventually, but I'm glad you called in.

583
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:25.239
I'm gonna let you go ahead and
have the floor and share would you would

584
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:30.800
like to and I might have some
questions, and also, guys in the

585
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:36.280
comments, if you've got questions,
go ahead and throw those in the comments,

586
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:40.599
all caps please, and I'll put
those in two potentially, So David,

587
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.760
go right ahead, sir, All
right, thank you, Jeremiah.

588
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.159
So, my name is David Blaylac
and I grew up in northern California,

589
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:57.119
very near where the Patterson Gimlin film
was filmed. And twenty years ago me

590
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.519
and my wife moved here to goos
Bay, Oregon, which is southwest Oregon.

591
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:07.880
And we've hunted elk and deer and
bear and everything, camped and done

592
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:13.239
all the hiking and stuff like that. And for like fifteen years, we

593
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.960
never had any experiences or anything that
would lead you to think something was going

594
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:24.880
on until two thy and nineteen.
And in twenty and nineteen, two days

595
00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:31.159
before the end of August, elk
season started for both seasons for elk,

596
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:36.960
me and my wife and my sister
she followed us up there. We had

597
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:42.119
our truck with a camper overhead camper
on our truck and she, my sister,

598
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.559
followed us up in her car and
she had her tootle dogs, I

599
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:50.559
mean, my wife had our little
menpen dog and we drove up and it

600
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:54.000
takes about an hour and a half
to get there. E'repe like fourteen miles

601
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:59.400
up a dirt road, a gravel
road in parts of its dirt, and

602
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:06.159
it's really a thick area rainforests,
a lot of moss on the trees,

603
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:12.280
and you really don't see the ground. It's all just brush and groundcover under

604
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:17.920
the trees and stuff and big old
growth trees. So twenty nineteen, it

605
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:22.480
was, I think it was August
twenty sixth when we got up there and

606
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.519
we showed up the camp spot.
My sister had never been there before.

607
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:29.599
And like I said, me and
my wife had hunted this area for like

608
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:34.440
fourteen years straight, camped in a
tent for the whole month and never had

609
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:39.880
anything strange happen or anything but this
strip. We got up there two days

610
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:44.400
before the elk season started, and
because we wanted to do some scouting and

611
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.239
stuff and set up camp. And
I had a trail camera up there that

612
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.159
I had set up for two months, had it up there two months before

613
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.880
we got there, And so we
got there that evening kind of started getting

614
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:59.719
camp set up, and I ran
and got my trail camera right before dark

615
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:01.480
and came back and we checked it
out and there was a bunch of elk

616
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:06.320
and deer stuff like that on there, but nothing, you know, nothing

617
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:12.360
else. And about ten o'clock that
first night, where me and my wife

618
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.119
was kind of making noise do some
stuff, and my sister was standing there

619
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:16.440
on the road, and it was
like ten o'clock at night. Like I

620
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:22.639
said, it got dark maybe a
half hour or something before that. And

621
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.719
my sister just like, well,
I guess we got company. And I

622
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.679
kind of looked at her. I'm
like, what do you mean. She

623
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:31.760
goes, well, somebody just made
like a banging noise, sound like a

624
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:35.599
tree knock, but it was a
bang up on the ridge up there,

625
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:37.239
And I'm like, where did it
come from? And she pointed, and

626
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:42.440
I was my sister, there's nobody
up there. There's no roads, there's

627
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:46.400
no trails. It's just like a
steep, thick hillside, like a mountain

628
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:52.719
side. And they'll have crews.
Logging companies will have crews come through when

629
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.880
after they like log an area,
they'll replant these trees and then after about

630
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.280
ten or fifteen years, they'll send
cruise in there and they'll cut down certain

631
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:05.480
lunes to kind of thin it and
they just leave those ones they cut down,

632
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.280
just laying there. So I mean, it's like a thicket can mean

633
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.400
already walked through it. And so
when she said that, I was like,

634
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:14.360
well, I'm just telling you right
now, there's nobody camping up there.

635
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:16.239
And she goes, well, I
don't know what that was, and

636
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:23.000
so I'll make like a long story
short shorter, I suppose. And each

637
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:30.639
day we had stuff like dumps sound
like they were being ripped apart, knocking

638
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:36.800
bounds all around us, and sometimes
you'd hear like a knock, and then

639
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.840
like something was running through the brush
like a knock and you could kind of

640
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:45.519
hear it run off. And each
time I was like, you know,

641
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.280
trying to write everything off like,
well, it could have been elk,

642
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.960
it could have been deer could have
been there, and the knocking could be

643
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:55.079
like elk crashing antlers because it's about
the time they start their rut and stuff.

644
00:50:55.119 --> 00:51:00.400
I was trying to write everything off
as normal sound you here in the

645
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:06.119
woods. But in the back of
my mind, you know, I suspected

646
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:13.960
it wasn't normal sounds that you'd hear
in the woods. And so it was

647
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:19.760
the fucking or third day of hunting
season. So it'd been like the fifth

648
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.440
day we were up there. My
sister rode with us, and we drove

649
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:24.639
up this road and we were going
to go on this one hunt. Well,

650
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:30.440
while we're driving up there, we
see a herd elk, and those

651
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.719
elk instead of just being like scattered
like a herd would be, they were

652
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:37.519
all like growled in like a like
a circle, all really tight, and

653
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.639
they were kind of just walking around
each other, like real tight circle.

654
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:45.400
And I thought that was kind of
strange. But there was a nice bull

655
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.480
in there, and the bull ended
up just kind of separating and going like

656
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.639
walking off by himself. So me
and my wife get out of the rig

657
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:58.000
and we're bull hunting, and my
sister stayed in the truck with the dogs,

658
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:00.639
and I mean, I just shut
the truck off and we just me

659
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.480
and my wife got out and started
making our hunt, like walking around to

660
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.039
get the wind right and stuff and
circling around so we can make the stalk

661
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:13.360
on of that bowl. And while
we were walking down, we couldn't hear

662
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.440
it because we're down in the brush. I mean, like I said,

663
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:20.480
the brushes over your head, so
you're just kind of trying to sneak through

664
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.159
the brush, but it's like kind
of rubbing on your head and on your

665
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.559
body stuff, so you couldn't really
hear what's going on around you. Well,

666
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.159
my sister said, as soon as
we left the road and got into

667
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:35.320
the brush, she heard three distinctive
knocks, one from like one side of

668
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.719
the elk, one from the other
side, and one from like a triangulation.

669
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:45.360
They were like from three different areas. And while directly after she heard

670
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.039
that, she saw she saw us
walking into the brush, and she said,

671
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.400
right behind us, coming the same
direction that we had went, she

672
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.360
saw a black, hairy figure and
she didn't say what it was, but

673
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:04.280
just a dark black figure was walking
the same trail that we had walked,

674
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:09.039
and like behind us. And so
we'd made our hunt and everything, and

675
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:13.559
we we spoofed the elk ended up
and they all ran off. So we

676
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.119
went back to the truck after about
an hour or something, and my sister

677
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:20.320
was like, did you guys hear
those knots? And we're like no,

678
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:22.559
She guys, did you guys see
what was behind you? And we're like

679
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:27.159
no, and she goes, she
goes brother's sister, I'm telling you there

680
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.480
was something walking behind you, guys, following you into those elks, and

681
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:34.719
she goes whatever it was, it
was black and it had it was like

682
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.880
had hair on. It wasn't like
bald or brown or anything. It was

683
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:43.360
harry. And we're like, oh, okay, and we've all three had

684
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:50.920
experiences before this. I'm just telling
you guys this experience. And so about

685
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:58.119
the sixth night, I think it
was after that, we were sitting around

686
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.400
our camp spot, which was just
on side of this gravel road. There

687
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.960
wasn't any other We saw like one
or two vehicles up to this point,

688
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:07.000
like a week into it, just
a couple of vehicles driving by, and

689
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:10.480
we're way up in there, but
we're just camped on side of this gravel

690
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:16.320
road on a pullout. So my
sister smoked cigarettes and each time she would

691
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.000
get up, I would step up. So let me back a little bit.

692
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.559
Every night before this, we would
have our lantern. I had a

693
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.199
shotgun because not for anything, but
like bears or mountain lions or whatever,

694
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:30.159
just protection. I'd have my shotgun
leaning against our camper and we'd have a

695
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:34.840
flashlight in our lantern burning, and
you know, just sit out there and

696
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:39.199
just talk and camp before we go
to bed. And so this night we

697
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:45.280
only had a mosquito candle burning,
like one of those centronella mosquito candles,

698
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:50.079
and so it was like really dark. I didn't have my gun or my

699
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:54.119
flash light out. I just had
this like little cheap headlamp on and I

700
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:57.440
had it on a green setting,
so when you turn it on, it

701
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.639
was green, and it didn't light
everything up very well, but you could

702
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:07.639
see eye shine really well. And
so every time my sister would you know,

703
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.079
step up into the gravel getting out
away from me and my wife so

704
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:13.800
the smoke wouldn't go on our face, she would light her cigarette and I

705
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:15.960
would just stand up. And this
is like ten o'clock at night again,

706
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:20.280
and so I stood up and shine
my light, you know, just to

707
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:23.119
make sure there was no animals or
no bears around her or whatever. And

708
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:27.199
so this time she got up,
and so I got up with her,

709
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.480
and we walked out into the road
and I switched on my light and she

710
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.280
was lighting her cigarette, and I
looked directly across the road because that was

711
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:37.760
the closest trees. And then I
looked to my right down the road and

712
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:43.400
didn't see nothing, turned to my
left and glow and behold, here's this

713
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:49.159
eye shine. And when I walked
over and looked to the left, I

714
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.559
had walked about ten feet away from
my sister, just kind of. I

715
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.159
was just checking her surroundings, and
I was like, oh, we got

716
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.760
eye shine like that. And my
sister's like, oh, serious, And

717
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.800
she walked over and she saw the
eyes. And my wife was still sitting

718
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:07.800
beside her camper in her camp chair, and these eyeballs were like a foot

719
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:14.719
apart, and if I had to
guess the size of them, each eye

720
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.719
was like the size of a golf
ball, I guess or something. But

721
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.199
there was like the shine around it, and they were I had my light

722
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.559
on green, so I don't know
if it was that, but they were

723
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:32.239
like an electric yellow, an electric
yellowish green reflection in the eye shine.

724
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.119
And they were really close to the
ground, like a couple of feet off

725
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:42.079
the ground, but really far apart. And so I'm she's like, my

726
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.719
sister. My sister's like seriously,
And she walked up and saw them,

727
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:51.400
and she was like just like hyperventilated, and she went walking back to her

728
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:53.480
car really fast and shut her dogs
in the car. They were already in

729
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:57.039
the car, but she rolled up
the windows in her car. So they

730
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:02.000
went jump out, and my wife
had our dog and my sister and I'm

731
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:06.639
just locked onto this thing. And
it's not blinking, it's not looking away,

732
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:12.119
it's just sitting there look staring right
at me. And I couldn't see

733
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.840
what I was looking at, but
you could just see like the blackest shadow

734
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:20.559
of it, but you couldn't make
out of shape. You could just see

735
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:25.719
that there was a body attached to
the eyeballs. And so my sister walks

736
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.519
back up after she locked your car, and I'm still just staring at it,

737
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:35.119
and it's literally about thirty yards from
me maybe, and it's right on

738
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.239
the edge of the road, the
gravel road that we're on, but there's

739
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:42.239
like a drop off and then it's
like a flat off down off that drop

740
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:46.360
off. And so my mind was
thinking it was either a bear or an

741
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:50.400
elk, just like a quick thought. It was like, it's a bear

742
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.440
or an elk. But my mind
was also saying, it doesn't look right

743
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:57.920
because bare eyeballs are little, they
have little beady eyes, and they're kind

744
00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:01.039
of close together, and elk can
I have big eyeballs and are kind of

745
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:07.119
spread apart. But the eyes were
like a foot or two off the ground,

746
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.199
which means an elk would basically have
to have its head on the ground

747
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.519
for its eyes to be down there. And it didn't make no sense.

748
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:17.199
And so my sister walked back up
saw it again and just like and freaked

749
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:20.519
out. And finally I was like, I was like, babe, if

750
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.000
I need my flashlight and my gun
right now, because I'm at this point,

751
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:27.079
I'm still thinking it's a bear,
That's what I'm kind of thinking.

752
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.719
And so my wife I hear her
get up out of her chair and go

753
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:34.039
into our camper and I can hear
like doo dunk, and she was getting

754
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.360
the flashlight and the shotgun and I'm
still just standing there. I'm not moving

755
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.079
my head and it's not moving,
and we're just locked on each other.

756
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:44.440
And my wife I can hear it
come out of the camper and she's walking

757
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:49.199
up to my left and she goes, here you go bed, and literally

758
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:54.239
she bumped my left arm and I
turned just for I mean literally half suckond

759
00:58:54.559 --> 00:59:00.920
grabbed the flashlight and the shotgun and
turned and whatever it was was already gone,

760
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:07.000
literally half a sucking without a sound. And this place is thick rainforest

761
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:12.519
stuff, I mean, just like
thick brush. Somehow this thing was off

762
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:16.440
the road and gone in a half
a sucking at the most, and so

763
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.039
I was like, where to go? Where to go? And my sister

764
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:21.880
and my wife's like, I don't
know, I don't know. So I

765
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:23.920
was shining my flashlight around the road, you know, down the road and

766
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:28.079
on each side of the road,
and it was gone. So I kind

767
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:31.480
of walked towards it and was shining
down through the trees as the best I

768
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:35.559
could, and nothing was there.
And I was like, you guys want

769
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.519
me to just cause I'm still thinking
there at this point, but I was

770
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.400
like, you guys want me just
shoot a warning shot just to make sure

771
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.239
you don't come back. And they're
both like, yeah, go ahead.

772
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:46.559
So I just put my shotgun up
in the air and just you know,

773
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:51.440
shot a shot off. And we
stayed up for like an hour or something

774
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:55.559
talking about it, and nothing happened
that night. And so the next morning,

775
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.519
instead of going hunting at daylight,
I got up and walked down the

776
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:02.360
road just the look where it was, and it had been. Whatever it

777
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:07.920
was was directly behind this kind of
rotted stump and you could see on the

778
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:13.559
hard packed gravel. You could see
like scuff marks like it pushed itself back

779
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:19.400
off the road over that bank,
like if it And my assumption was it

780
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:23.760
whatever it was, was laying with
its body down off the road, down

781
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.639
that little bank, and its upper
body was on the edge of the road

782
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:31.000
looking at us around that stump wasn't
on stump, it was behind the stump.

783
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:36.760
The scuff marks were about five feet
behind that stump. And so we

784
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:39.159
discussed it and everything and thought that
was really weird. So I'll just fast

785
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:46.159
forward to like day nine of our
hunt. Was everything was normal. I

786
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:50.039
mean like each day something was going
on. We could hear stuff. It

787
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:54.480
never saw anything and never had anything
weird. Well, night of the ninth,

788
01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:59.920
about nine point thirty, as it's
starting to get dark, we start

789
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:06.639
hearing this owl, you know,
just a classic like bard owl. And

790
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.000
my sister was getting her drinking on
me and my wife did drink or nothing.

791
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:14.400
So we were just sitting there listening
and my sister was calling back and

792
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:15.559
forth this owl, and I was
like, Keith, Indy, you want

793
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.239
me to call. She's like,
yeah, go ahead, And so I

794
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.119
would do the who you know call, and the out me and the owl

795
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.400
was talking back and forth for like
a half hour, and my sister has

796
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:29.880
this recorded on her phone, and
I even joked about, hey, Cindy,

797
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:34.000
it's like on Jurassic Park with the
owls keeping our attention over here while

798
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:37.199
the other things sneaking up behind us, and we laughed and stuff about it.

799
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.559
So about ten o'clock, ten thirty
at night, we're getting ready to

800
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:45.360
go to bed, and my wife
was wanting to take our little dog to

801
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:49.480
the bathroom before we got in the
camper. So she started walking the dog

802
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:53.000
around on the leash and stuff,
and our dog was like nervous and wouldn't

803
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:57.519
go and go and go. So
I walked over there and like, you

804
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.519
know, Peanut, gout, go
to the bathroom, Peanut, go poopy

805
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.960
bee. And she just would and
would and wouldn't. And so my sister

806
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.800
was sitting over there by our camp
and still calling back and forth to the

807
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.800
owl, recording it, and and
my wife, Didi, she was like,

808
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:14.280
I think Cindy's calling is making our
dog nervous. So I said,

809
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:15.920
hey, Cindy, can you stop
calling for a minute, so Peanut and

810
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.719
go to the bathroom. So she's
like, okay, Well she stops recording

811
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.239
on her phone, of course,
and and you know it's quiet for a

812
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.280
second. Our dogs still wouldn't go. So I picked up our dog and

813
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.159
we were walking over to my sister. And right when I get to my

814
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:35.159
sister, we hear the owl go
off again. So we all stop,

815
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.679
and we're and I'm holding our dog, and we're all looking up across that

816
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:43.719
flat as a creek, and then
it goes up the steep old growth treeze

817
01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:49.599
breed ridge, and that was behind
our camp. And so that owl was

818
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.199
coming right across that flat, right
in those trees, like one hundred yards

819
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.760
away or something like that. And
but this time when it called, it

820
01:02:55.840 --> 01:03:04.519
did like and it kind of went
down into like this angry sound, like

821
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:08.480
an angry owl, and immediately to
the left of that it did like a

822
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:15.119
kyot yep, like a coyote yip. And then left of that this war

823
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:22.559
that I mean freight trains and air
horns and anything lion like African lions if

824
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:27.760
you've heard them at the zoo,
that war they do. Who that was

825
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:36.159
nothing compared to the volume and the
depth and the I don't know how to

826
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:39.079
explain it. It shook your chest. It was so loud, and you

827
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:45.400
could hear the trees ringing like and
then it was like dead quiet, and

828
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:50.079
I just looked up, and I
don't cuss very often, but I was

829
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.840
like, what the F was that? And my sister and my wife were

830
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:58.360
all just standing there like our jaws
just gaped open because it went from this

831
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:03.280
angry owl to a kyote it to
this war and I was like, we

832
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:08.679
need to go right now. So
I literally grabbed my shotgun and my flashlight

833
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:12.840
and stood there shining the direction it
came from, while my wife went and

834
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:16.719
got her purse and our medicine bag
and all that stuff like our essentials,

835
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:21.880
and my sister was loading whatever she
had outside of camp, just throwing it

836
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:26.559
into a car. And we literally
left our camper up there for a week

837
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:30.639
and we just just beat feet down
the road and we had to drive past

838
01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:34.760
that area. So I told my
wife to drive and when we're going by

839
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:38.760
this is like I said, about
ten thirty at night, I had my

840
01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:43.119
window down with my shotgun out the
window and my flashlight shining in the direction

841
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:45.519
just in case it was charging us. As we were leaving. We didn't

842
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:49.880
know what was going to happen,
so we ended up leaving our camper up

843
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:54.440
there for a week. And a
week later we went up there and I

844
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:58.880
had trail cameras around our camper just
because I had them around there, and

845
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:01.679
we didn't get anything. Trail cameras
or in our camp are fine. I

846
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:08.400
didn't see any fingerprints or handprints on
the windows or anything like that. Everything

847
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:13.719
was normal. So we picked up
our camper a week later, and we've

848
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.119
never camped at that spot since we
camped up in those woods, but never

849
01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:25.199
in that same spot. So that's
kind of like twenty nineteen story. Who

850
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:29.199
David, that's man? That is
wild. I don't think I've talked to

851
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.679
anyone else from that area yet,
but I just want to say real quick,

852
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:36.840
we've got about one hundred people watching
live, and I just want to

853
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:42.320
say thanks to everyone watching live.
This is the Bigfoot Encounter's live show,

854
01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:45.960
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what's scrolling at the bottom if you've gotten

855
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:50.760
encountered to call in with But David, Man, what an interesting And I

856
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.480
was going to ask you about the
pattern, if there's a pattern to the

857
01:05:55.519 --> 01:06:00.039
Knox, but you already had mentioned
that you were hearing like three that's a

858
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:04.519
that's a common thread I've heard come
up in a few encounters, like you

859
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:11.159
usually hear three knocks. So that's
really interesting that you did bring that up

860
01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:15.679
where it was almost like the triangulation
of the knocks going on as well.

861
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:20.079
Did your sister tell you how far
away or how far behind the figure was

862
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:25.599
behind you guys when you left,
there's that black figure that was that was

863
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:31.239
following you. She said it literally
like when we she lost sight of us,

864
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:34.239
we were probably I would say,
you know, two or three hundred

865
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:39.480
yards away from the truck when we
entered into the brush to kind of make

866
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:42.920
our sneak, And she said she
could see us, you know, like

867
01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.679
parts of us every now and then
kind of going through the brush. Yeah,

868
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:47.559
And as soon as she lost side
of us, she said, from

869
01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:53.239
where she could see us going into
the brush, like something immediately was falling

870
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:58.119
right behind us, like like right
behind us. I don't know how close,

871
01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:02.679
but yeah, Like and so I
kind of suspect this is just speculation

872
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:08.840
that the reason why those elk were
all in a bunch like that was maybe

873
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:14.320
they were hunting those same elk.
Yeah, that's just my thought. Wow,

874
01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:16.639
that's yeah, I mean, that's
that is wild. The part with

875
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:21.880
the eyeshine was was very interesting.
There's a few back and forth comments that

876
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:25.639
were interesting. Tate, what had
some you know, he was like,

877
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:27.840
well, maybe a mountain lion,
and you know, I was thinking that

878
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.800
too, but I you know,
I was also thinking that you had mentioned

879
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:33.440
that the eyes were very big,
and they were they were super you know,

880
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.639
far apart, and but I was
like, well, he said it

881
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:40.280
was only a few feet off the
ground. So then I'm thinking, well,

882
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:45.440
maybe we're looking at some sort of
like spider crawl or on all four's

883
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:51.679
situation, which might explain how you
could have the eyes so far apart but

884
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:57.000
yet so close to the ground.
It's it's a very interesting situation. So

885
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.760
I don't know if you have any
thoughts about that. Well I do,

886
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.159
and I thought and my son was
the first one to suggest, you know,

887
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:06.119
here we call him cougars, but
they're mountain lions. He thought that,

888
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:09.559
and I was like, well,
you know, it's possible, but

889
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:13.599
look at a cat. Look at
a cat. Their eyes are not they're

890
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:15.800
not that huge. They're you know, pretty good size around, but they're

891
01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:20.520
not that far apart. And the
weird thing is, okay, that could

892
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:25.520
be an explanation but explain to me
how it knew when I turned and grabbed

893
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.359
the chokun and then the flashlight.
How at that instant that is when it

894
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:32.439
was gone. You know that kind
of was I suspected that was kind of

895
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:38.279
weird, which I suppose if you
unlock eyes that might be when they move.

896
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:42.840
I mean, I could get that
too. But the thing Jeremiah about

897
01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:45.239
it was that this was, like
I said, the gravel road, and

898
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:48.840
then where it was was right on
the lip where it dropped down like about

899
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:53.319
ten feet, like the bank dropped
down like ten feet, and then there

900
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:58.319
was a flat and it could have
been like a spider crawler down in that

901
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.640
on all fours, or it could
have been just laying with its body off

902
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:04.520
the road and its upper body was
on the road on the edge of the

903
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:12.199
road. Whatever it was, its
scuffed hard at gravel. You can see

904
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:18.119
like three distinct scuff marks were like, yeah, pushed itself back. That's

905
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:24.319
so interesting, And I mean,
you guys had some weird stuff going on

906
01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:28.600
there, and it's cool that you
guys were out there for not just two

907
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.119
or three nights. I mean you're
out there for what'd you say, at

908
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:35.279
least nine days and then you had
it out. Yeah, that ninth night,

909
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:39.239
we had it out. Me and
my wife went camping the next weekend,

910
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:42.800
but in a whole different spot and
I literally, I mean I've never

911
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.119
been. I'm not afraid of any
animals, but literally I was in like

912
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:50.399
cold sweat trying to go to sleep
the first night back out camping. I

913
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:53.920
was like, just leave me alone. Just leave me alone, That's what

914
01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:58.359
I was thinking. Right, Ah, that's wild. Let's see. Let's

915
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.079
see here looking through to see if
we have any questions for you here.

916
01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:06.119
Oh t is asking have you ever
been to the Patterson Gimblin film site at

917
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:11.079
all? I have not. I've
been, I've been it, but not

918
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:17.520
I haven't done the actual hiking.
Now I've been over and over. Oh

919
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:23.399
okay, cool, you've got a
Oh yeah, can's okay. kN Squatch

920
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:27.720
says, what about David's experience of
something trying to get into his family's trailer

921
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:32.119
when he was a kid. Yeah, that's a whole nother long story,

922
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:36.880
gotcha, gotcha. I could give
a short version of it, or I

923
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:41.399
can wait. We can wait until
I do the actual thing with you,

924
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.760
if you want, or whichever you
want. So I would say that maybe

925
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.640
let's do a part two because I
want to make sure that you can do

926
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:54.880
all the details and give it,
you know, give all you need to.

927
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:59.680
So let's let's maybe hold, let's
wait until you come on the show,

928
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:02.079
which I know is coming up.
So there will. I got a

929
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:05.800
story and I got another one where
it's basically your I felt like I grew

930
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:10.279
up, which is in Weaberville,
California, in Triney County, California,

931
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:16.840
and that that one is a whole
nether, a whole nether experience. So

932
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:23.159
David, I'm excited to chat with
you on the show. How are you

933
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:30.359
do you go to any festivals in
Oregon? There's one coming up that probably

934
01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:33.319
will go to. It's over I
think it's over by oak Ridge or something

935
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:38.279
like that. I'll see you there, yeah, or nice there you go.

936
01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.319
I think I'll be at that and
we go. We've been to the

937
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:46.920
Bigfoot Museum with Cliff Bradman Museum.
Been there, but really that's about it.

938
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:51.159
Cool at this point, we're going
to LBL though, Oh you're going

939
01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:59.359
all the way out to LBL.
Yeah, we're going. When we're gonna

940
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:03.960
be there, we're gonna arrive in
and Nashville on a third, uh,

941
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:06.760
and then we're gonna actually go out
to the l on the Fort and then

942
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:11.840
we're coming back on the eighth,
just by yourself for you going out with

943
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:16.439
a group. Me and my wife
are going there and there's a whole huge

944
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:20.319
group. Oh is it the thing
that Squashing Hollers was talking about in the

945
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:26.039
comments? Yeah, the mean grete. Oh man, dude, that's awesome.

946
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:31.600
You're going all the way out for
that. We're flying man. Yeah,

947
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:36.239
and I'm in Iowa and I'm not
even going someday. Oh man,

948
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:40.399
you gotta go. I know,
I know. It sounds like it's not

949
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:42.720
just going to be a one time
deal. I bet it's going to be

950
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:46.520
going on more than once. So
yeah, you know, like with Sodusty

951
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:50.079
with be TV and stuff, they've
they've done for years. So it's oh

952
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:55.359
okay, cool kind of not maybe
an annual thing, but maybe every couple

953
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:58.680
of years they do it. I
goesh, Well, David, thank you

954
01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:03.239
so much for for sharing Sharon your
one story of it sounds like many stories,

955
01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:09.359
and we'll be chatting again in the
future for sure. You're very welcome,

956
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:13.159
and I thank you for having me
on man yeap talk to you.

957
01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:15.600
Later, dude. All right,
have a go on. All right,

958
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:24.560
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01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:24.479
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985
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993
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time. Her and I can get
out of here. We can tell our

994
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:11.239
stories. Maybe there's somebody else out
there listening that's too afraid to tell their

995
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:15.199
story. Maybe this will give them
the courage to come out. And now

996
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.960
I feel so bad about it.
Who cares what anybody thinks. I know

997
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:21.840
what I saw, I know what's
out there. That's all I care about.

998
01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:43.560
Please let people know, Please let
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999
01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:46.880
one of these things, you need
to tell because if you don't, be

1000
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:58.199
shame on you, you know,
shame on you.