March 22, 2025

We Know Where They Are! | Mt. Rainier

Join host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society as we talk with Ben Freed from Bigfoot Ops—an experienced Bigfoot researcher who has spent nearly 15 years tracking and documenting evidence in the Mount Rainier area, near Ashford, Washington. Ben shares...

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Season 1

Join host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society as we talk with Ben Freed from Bigfoot Ops—an experienced Bigfoot researcher who has spent nearly 15 years tracking and documenting evidence in the Mount Rainier area, near Ashford, Washington. Ben shares incredible encounters, from encountering mysterious creatures in ravines to uncovering large tracks and hearing spine-chilling screams that can't be explained. He reveals details of the hotspots for Bigfoot activity, known as research sites like Charlie, where he's collected significant audio evidence of these elusive beings. Ben's background as a combat veteran and military officer has equipped him with unique tactical skills, enhancing his field research. Tune in to hear about Ben's extraordinary experiences, his theories on what Bigfoot could be, and the intense journey that keeps him and his team dedicated to the mystery.

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Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with the show. Hi,

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Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to

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mister Ben Freed from Bigfoot Ops today. He's an individual,

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he's a bigfoot researcher. He's spent nearly fifteen years tracking

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studying documentary evidence of bigfoot in the area around Mount

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Rainier but you know, kind of near Ashford, Washington, and

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he's had so many credible things happen. He's got a

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team that's out there looking for evidence. They have multiple

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research sites. There's a ton of things for us to

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talk about today. But welcome to the show, Beny.

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Thanks for having me, Dearm, I appreciate it absolutely.

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I mean, you've sent me a lot of a lot

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of really interesting things. But I want us first to

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focus on what got you into bigfoot to begin with,

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and what kind of things have you experienced in this

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area outside of Mount Rainier.

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Well, it started all off as accidental, actually because I

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didn't have any prior I wasn't a big foot fan

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prior to tals intended really believe in it, or you know,

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a navig skeptic, I should say, But I actually had

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an encounter on twenty team with my granddaughter when I

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was out there fishing. I think believe this was June

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twenty fifth, twenty ten. It was about eight degrees out,

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it was ten thirty in the morning, and reman the

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two creatures out there. I didn't get to see these creatures,

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but I.

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Did hear them at the time. I was just starting.

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We were trying to find a fishing spot and I

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hadn't been up in that area at all, so I

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wasn't familiar with the landscape out there, so I was

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actually trying to get down the river and we were

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down in a little ravine at the time, and what

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I can remember about it is that, like I said,

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it was a nice sunny day, pretty warm out and everything,

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and then we were.

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Hearing birds and insects, the whole works.

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Anyway, as I was walking through there, just like everything

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went completely quiet, like somebody with the light switch, and

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didn't hear any kind of birds, any kind of sounds,

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not the normal four sounds that you would hear and everything.

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But I started hearing a gurgling sound and I thought, well,

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that's kind of streaming.

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What is that?

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And then it was preceded by screams I'm seeing from

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a single creature is probably within three hundred three hundred

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and fifty feet in this heavy brushed.

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Area, and I thought, wow, what is that.

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So this went on for like five minutes or so,

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and everything and that says, wow, I just got my

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curiosity up. So I tried to get up back up

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on top of it, out of this ravine to see

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what it was. And I could hear a lot of

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branch breaking and stuff like that going on, and I

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got up behind a tree and I said, well, I'm

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gonna look on you and see what this is coming

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out of there.

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And as I was standing there about.

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I would say probably about thirty four or five seconds

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or whatever, I actually got another sound from my left

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another creature start screaming and everything in These two creatures

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sound like they were screaming to each other at the time.

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I don't know if it was communication or what they exacted.

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Were doing, but they didn't know we were there.

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I actually actually got on the phone and says, oh,

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you got to go. I tried to call my son

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let him hear this because it was so loud, and

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like I said, it sounded like a woman screaming out

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there and everything, and I knew that's what it wasn't

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the human.

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This sounded weird at the time.

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don't my son was actually taking anap and she wouldn't

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wake him up or whatever.

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So I'm kind of frustrated with that.

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And he's screaming, is getting louder, getting closer to me

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and everything. And as this was going on, my well,

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my granddaughter started crying and everything, and it kind of

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alerted them to our presence there. And then they just

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stopped screaming, just instantaneous and then they just actually ran off,

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and so that was my encounter. I'm going, wow, I

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never got to see what it was, but at the

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time I thought back of mind, I said, wow, that's

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nothing I've ever heard of it before, and kind of

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elk or anything like that.

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So I assumed it was, to come to mind, was bigfoot.

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And I actually lost.

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Like four days sleep over that this particular incident trying

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to figure out what it was and everything. So I

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called BFRO got in contact with Scott Tiler and he

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come out there, I think it was bout a week later,

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and we actually found some seventeen inch tracks, a lot

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of branch breaks and stuff like that, and you kind

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of verified that, yeah, that's he thinks it was bigfoot.

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So anyway, it was regarding that incident, and then I

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spent from that just built it kind of got my

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curiosity going. So I thought, well, I'll go out here

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and try to see if I can find whatever this is.

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Because he was talking about bigfoots so much said. I

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was kind of like, well, okay, I'll probably go out

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here and find bigfoot two weeks whatever, get some pictures,

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you know, just like the regular vocal as everybody else

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talks about. But I spent end up spending about almost

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two years out there tracking these creatures. And at that time,

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in this particular area, there's a bridge washed out my

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National Pond by Ashford, and you couldn't get across the

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bridge because it was washed out from a prior storm

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I think in seventy two or something like that. The

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tracks and everything would always come across the river in

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this particular area, and that it would come in, it

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would come and.

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Go across this river area.

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So I had to get around to the other apartment

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and I had to go away on the other side

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of Ashford, and it took almost two years to get

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around there to finally find this road. It goes back

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up in there, and uh, as I got over there,

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finally I started, I found a particular site over there,

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which I call Charlie.

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This took two years later.

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By the way I was out there, and how I

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found this particular area was I was out there about

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seven o'clock in the morning and I had just stopped

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and it's a it's.

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An area there was some prior logging in there.

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It was it wasn't a really thick brush or whatever

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should say, forested area. But it had like a little

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clear cut and it had been done probably five years

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prior or whatever. There was just some heavy pine trees

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out there and whatever. Then get back my story or

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start rambling. As I got went to go out this

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picture spot, like I said, it goes up into a

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flat area where they flogged out and it's a it

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was an old platform released uh pulled the logs in

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there and they would stack them in that particular area. Anyway,

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the road divides up in two different ways between one

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goes east, one goes west, and they only go in

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there about one hundred and fifty feet I guess, and

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then it stops, so it kind of dead ends at.

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The end of a both sides of the road.

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Anyway, as I stopped and got out of the truck,

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I thought I heard knocks. I heard three repetitive knocks,

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and I thought, wow, I was weird. Maybe I'm hearing things.

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So I opened my door and get out, and as

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I'm standing there by the truck, I heard three more

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successions of knocks, bang, bang, bang. Three outcomes flying out

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of the brush right by my truck, right right in

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front of me, probably within fifty feet, and they were

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hitting west and they were running west. I hear this

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bang bang bang again, and they changed direction, went across.

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The road in front of the front of my truck.

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And they went back about seventy five feet or whatever

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around here, bang bang, banging again a wood knox, and

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they changed direction and went straight east.

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So I thought, wow, that was kind of weird.

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So anyway, I went back in there, looked around, didn't

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see anything, and decided to go back there that night.

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I went back there approachmately eight o'clock at night, and

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I says, well, I'm gonna go out there and see

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what's going on. So anyway, I stopped, I went and

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took my wife with me. The first time you hear

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I went with me out there in two years. And

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we went to the west end of the camp, the

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site which we call Charlie Site now. And as I

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got out of the car at that time and didn't

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take my truck anyway, got out and I was there

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just pulling around for five minutes and I smoke. So

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I was sitting there smoking a cigarette and everything, and

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I was just listening. There was a Mexico out there

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was dark at that time February, and I started hearing

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whining sounds, and I thought, what, that's kind of weird.

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So I did a couple of whoops, and then I

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started getting some replies from At this time, now I

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know they were juveniles. Then I didn't know what that was.

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So this went on for a few minutes. I would

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whoop and they would start to singing or whatever, which is.

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Is typical for juveniles.

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And I think it was I it's five minutes or so,

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and then we started hearing a scream come off the

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hill of something. I would say it was a female

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at that time. Sounded like a woman screaming. I mean

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it was. She was like bluddy murder screaming. And you

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could hear come down off the top of the hill brushing,

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you know, trees are cracking, branches are breaking. It sounds

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like a bulldozer was coming off the hill and she

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was flying down there. And as I was standing there

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and like I said, piece of black, can't see your

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hand in front of your face, I started hearing brush

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movement coming in from all the dreggings around around the car,

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and I was hearing growling and gruntings. It's the same

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time she's still screaming. I would say she was probably

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doing this for twenty minutes or so as we're standing there,

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and I started hearing brush being pulled up being thrown.

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At the car. You know, I here gravel hitting all

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over the top of the car.

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It's hitting me. I could hear stuff being thrown up

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over the top of my head, you know, along with

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the brush, pieces of log rocks. Everything was flying around

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me at this time. And then, like I said, you

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start hearing all these other screams coming on at the

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same time. So there's quite a few creatures out there

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at this time, and the skirt the hell out of me.

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I actually tried to get back in the car, and

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my wife actually locked the doors wouldn't be in, so

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I kind of basically had to deal with this out there.

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She was actually terrified, so.

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It was that was an interesting encounter, and everything just

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went on for probably before they calmed down, I would say,

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like twenty five minutes. And I said, there didn't make

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any more sounds or roops.

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Or whatever, because I thought I'd bid off.

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Moren neck and chew, and I thought I was actually

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gonna get pretty heard out there. I'm trying to remember

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all the whole instance because there's been some mis stuff

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going on out there. As they calmed down, and you

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actuaid that you can still hear these juveniles vocalizing and stuff.

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Ever so often.

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They kind of settled down and they were just some

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sounded like chatter out there, and I guess they were

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sound like people talking, but I couldn't understand what they

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were saying because it was it wasn't like an English

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language or whatever.

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It was just people, you know, and then you know whatever.

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I finally get convinced.

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My wife to get out of the cars because she

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she was still thinking, uh, this female out there there

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was there was a woman out there being hurt, because

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the screams were like and it sounded exactly identical to

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a woman screaming out there, buddy murder. I'm hyped up

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on top. I'm trying to just little down here.

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Anyway.

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It's I'm telling her every since for like an hour

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and stuff. Who gets too here? All this talking going

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on and branches breaking out there, And I was trying

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to convince my wife that that, yeah, there's nobody yells

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out here, just late at night. And I took her,

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got back in the car. We took her down the

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road there and down by the creek. There's a creek

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down there. And as we got out and I said, see,

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there's nobody here to shore, there's nobody around here in

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this area. And they said there's no winning or anybody

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else sitting around and just brushed this late at night,

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you know, making these noises or whatever. So anyway, as

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we got to the car, we could they actually followed

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this over these creatures. And we're only talking like a

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quarter mile or whatever drive down there. They they were

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making all kinds of noises still down by the creek

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value where we were at. So I dealt with that

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for probably fifteen twenty minutes, and I says, you know what,

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I'm gonna be back in the car and we'll just

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go ahead and go because he started getting all riled

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up again.

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Big side, who will be right back after these messages?

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So anyway, that's how we found Charlie site, and that's

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where we started from there.

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That's where I started.

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Researching from basically expanded out from there to we have

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seven sites now.

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From expanding from Charlie.

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But I've had so many instances happened at charity over

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the years.

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But let me back it up here.

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In twenty thirteen, which is the same time as incidents.

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They were from February to August. They were really a

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vocal group out there. I mean every weekend we went

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out there, just went on for hours where they were

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calling back and forth and you could hear these creatures

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communicate all the time out there, which since then it's

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turned down from I think I remembers August September August thirtieth.

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I think it was our last big time. I heard

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the group out there vocalizing and chuck ads and actually

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get the recording member. The last night we heard that

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stuff out there, which is typical for this picture group.

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But I believe the group moved on to the Northeast

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Rainier over there. I know you said that saying that

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is it's because somebody else recorded something similar to their

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sounds I heard in twenty fifteen. I got was sharing

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some of the stuff. I said, yes, sounds exactly that

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I was.

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Hearing out there. But occasionally we get these vocals or whatever.

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So I want to jump I want to jump in

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back something. The other day. It's so when I was

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listening to your sounds that you sent over, I have

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the same thought. I was, like, I've heard this same

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stuff from individuals kind of yeah in the very near

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area at the time that sent it to me. This

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is like a year and a half ago, two years ago,

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and I was like, oh man, it's the same deal.

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This.

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So this Charlie area, how many how big do you

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think is the group they have in there?

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Then well the group is Committee Samson. This bigger group

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like I'm talking about, moved to the northeast in right

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now in this peculia, there's a new group of moving

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into a smaller group was probably like four or five individuals.

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At that time.

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That group, there was probably over ten individuals in that

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group that moved. Now the area went yeah, the area

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went quiet. I can't say it went quiet. But we

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had a single individual that we recorded for years. Just

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believe it was a male and it's a juvenile. We

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know that, I think in twenty seventeen that's the one

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I actually seen him, but we recorded him until just recently,

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I believe last year. We know there's another group in

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there now because we've picked up juveniles. A male which

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we believe is the same individual, has been there. He's

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much bigger now those individuals eight fort two inches. But

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when you want to see him in twenty seventeen, by

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the way. So but the group is, like I said,

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the group moving there out of these areas. I can't say, well,

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they're not really moving out because I said they were

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always there. It's difficult to explain. But you know, this

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big main group is not there anymore that they were

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really boke. We're not getting vocalizations like that anymore at

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all since twoy fifteen, kind of just kind of we

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might get a long call or whatever, and you'll see

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what I'm talking about. When you play your recordings, I

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know you've heard them already.

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So absolutely so you've had actual visual sightings in this, uh,

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this Charlie area.

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I've had one to Charlie.

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I've had one at Yankee, and I've had one on

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over by National. The one of Yankee was the closest,

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the one to Charlie. I'll explaining Charlie. It was actually

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it was in July.

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I believe it was. Oh, I got my notes whatever,

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but I know it was in July.

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I had Scott Taylor there would bf RO and we

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had been doing some researching out there and I had

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took him up the top of the other there's a

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big giant hill at the base of this site.

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And runs up about.

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Twenty five three thousand thousand feet I believe in elevation.

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But we were up there on top of the hill

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looking around most they we found a lot of prints

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up there. Remember Scott just tell me. He says, Oh,

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I can't believe there does so many prints and stuff

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like that. And he says, I've never seen so many. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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it's old news to me. And I said, well, yeah,

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I've been telling you how all along. It's got there

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all over out here. Anyway, we went on to the

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site and to Delta, and I took him down there

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and let him see that site in that area and stuff.

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And he's found some interesting stuff there. And we come

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back to site and it was late evening, I think

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it was around nine o'clock or whatever, and he had

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set up a tent and stuff out there, and I

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was about ready to just before dark. I always set

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my equipment, recording equipment before dark. Anyway, I told Scottie

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I had to get out here and set this equipment

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or whatever. And as I did that, I would grab

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two parabolics and I had one new hand and I

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was heading out to the east of Charlie to set

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these up, and it was kind of.

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Like misty out there. Get a lot of ring here.

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So and as I was trying to across these dead

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fall branches are on the ground, Like I said, it

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was an old logging site and everything I was slipping

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and sliding on these branches and everything I noticed off

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to my left I had caught a side of some

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movement over there, and I kind of stopped and looked

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over there, and actually seeing the creature was actually like exaderate.

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This about four foot.

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Wide or whatever.

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And he standing behind the tree was probably a twelve

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bench diamond tree, and he was trying to hide behind there.

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And as I was standing watching, I could see.

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His foot there's leg stepped back and he actually.

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Stepped on a branch. I could hear a crack, really

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a loud and he stepped and stopped, and then he

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turned around, peeked around the tree, looked right at.

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Me, and he just had to just to kind of

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look on his face.

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But anyway, he looked down at the ground like where

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he stopped like and looked back up at me like,

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oh crap, I know this is an exaggeration. He just

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kind of like looked at me and just did that.

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He pushed off the tree. He flew about twenty feet

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over and all I could see his feet actually on

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the back part of it, and he went down on

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all fours and he zipped over to the east, you know,

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like unbelievable speed, and he went back in the brush

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and he kind of mat his back there breaking branches

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for a couple hours or whatever. So I kind of

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stood there for a minute, kind of like them found

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it and going wow, what just look at you know,

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because I only had about I would probably say, ten

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or fifteen seconds of really looking at the creature before

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it went down on old force and took off. So

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had kind of just high tailed up and talked to Scott, say, hey, Scott,

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I believe that this actually just seen one out here.

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So he grabbed his thermal, came in and he ran

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out there and he was standing on the stop looking around,

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and I said, well, you can still hear it back there,

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because it's still making a lot of racket back there, breaking.

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Branches and stuff.

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And Scott had said, well, do you want to go

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in there, and she'd begining on the thermally he says, no, no,

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my mane went back to the tent and you'll probably

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come back around, but that was my first sighting of

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it at that time, being dark and every danced over

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and there you go back in the rushing hardy to

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do whatever. And actually had another researcher show up there.

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I think it was probably about ten o'clock and everything,

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and I was telling him about the sighting out there,

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and you can still hear cracking branches. I mean this

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as they stayed up back there, like two or three hours.

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It was back there and it just stood there and

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broke brush and I can hear vocal lives for once

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in a while. I actually have recordings of that, and it

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was actually mimicking like a little while thing.

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Which they do a lot.

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To me, Like I said, this is so long ago,

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it's not a really big deal to me. Now he

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says that to being up for so many years. Sorry

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for not making southing like, oh, it's so excited it

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to me, it's not.

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It's just the one miny of you had out there.

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So now, I mean, meanwhile, over here, it is blowing

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my mind. I mean, like, so I've never experienced a

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visual or anything like all these things you're sharing. I mean, dude,

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this Charlie area is absolutely wild, or it was back

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in the day.

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Correct, No, it's still it's still fifty wild.

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Yeah, I'll make it up to the point where we

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had something happen out there last year. It was kind

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of a funny incident. Yeah, because we still a year

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after year after year, and I'm going out there in

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a couple of days again too. So I tried to

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get out there once or twice a week. We still

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record activity out there. It's just like to me, it

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says all the stuff has been done for myself anyway,

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because we're not trying to get anything or trying to

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prove the exist You have sit here and try to

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you know, argue with people all the time. So I

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don't try to get in that part of it. I

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say the politics a big foot, this stuff is done

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for ourselves to find our own answers, and we've run

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across some interesting stuff. So again here, I don't want

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to get jumping all over the place.

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No, but then I think that's a good I think

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that's a good idea to maybe talk about that for

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a females. So big Foot ops is primarily just to

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get answers for yourself in the members of the group.

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Is that right?

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Right? And I share with other groups.

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We share any kind of information we get with other

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groups if they show a serious thing, really interest in

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the field itself, if they want you know, people just

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want to go out and have any encounter, as I

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call it, an experience. I've taken people out there where

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they can have that experience. But if they really don't

463
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.119
show an interest, we really don't like sharing information because

464
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.920
it's not it doesn't I'm trying to think the word.

465
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.039
It shows me that they're not showing enough interest in it.

466
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:45.319
I want to find any kind of real answers. They

467
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.240
just want to again have that experience. They want to

468
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.160
hear the vocalizations and all that kind of good stuff.

469
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:54.200
And that's about it. You know, I call it dinner

470
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:55.839
in the show. They want to sit out there and

471
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:57.920
give them a dinner in the show is basically what

472
00:26:58.039 --> 00:26:58.400
it is.

473
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:00.160
That's hilarious, Ben, But it's so.

474
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:06.359
Yeah, people, it drives me crazy because you know people

475
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:09.440
have when we talk about hidden motors is they'll say

476
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:11.480
they want to research, and we take them out there

477
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.839
and they really get you know, they get to have experience,

478
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.200
you know, hearing some of this stuff and everything. And

479
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:20.119
then after that, oh, they're kind of like, oh wow,

480
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.960
I'm satisfied. And that's it, you know, wasting their time.

481
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.559
Right, It's like, you know, I just want to go

482
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:29.920
check out Jurassic Park and okay, I saw the dinosaurs

483
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:30.720
and now I'm out.

484
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:34.680
Well basically most people they end up keep looking. I

485
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.720
can never forget out. I said, well, they're right here.

486
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:38.880
So if you really want to research them, they they're

487
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.799
always here. I said, if you put your time out

488
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:43.920
there and everything, you're going to hear them and see

489
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.079
them and whatever. So but these few this when it

490
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.559
continues to oh I'm going to run to bumping lady

491
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:53.920
or or whatever, you know, I kind of just thole

492
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:54.279
my hand.

493
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:58.400
You know. Like the people we have are pretty.

494
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:00.000
Dedicated, and we just stay out there and like I said,

495
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.640
and do our own research and to say whatever.

496
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:04.400
People come and go.

497
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:12.000
So now the audio that you had said that is

498
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.680
labeled Chuck, is that from area Charlie.

499
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:18.799
Yes, okay, next to the East Charlie.

500
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:21.200
Uh, that's over there by where I was talking about

501
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:24.359
Cat Creek and where we stopped the car at everything,

502
00:28:24.400 --> 00:28:27.319
and Chuck had actually I want to make sure Chuck

503
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:29.440
is a credit for because I did not record this.

504
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:34.359
I have other recordings really on there that are samples

505
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:37.119
of the same based on the same creatures vocalizing and stuff.

506
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:39.720
But Chuck is the one that records this, and I

507
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.880
think it's an awesome audio actually for what how the

508
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:45.720
groups really do react.

509
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.079
Out there and how they communicate and everything. So go ahead,

510
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:48.880
go ahead.

511
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:54.519
Okay, So this is UH and you're gonna hear multiple

512
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:56.519
individuals in this record.

513
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:57.559
Yeah, this is one.

514
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.359
There's a single mail that makes it to explain to say,

515
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:04.440
he explained afterwards, but a single male he's vocalizing. This

516
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.119
is actually his second vocalization before Chuck got the recorded.

517
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:11.799
He didn't have the recorder. It was in this truck

518
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:12.240
at the time.

519
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:17.440
This actually handheld the creatures vocalizing, which is that basic

520
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.400
Ohio call for an example related to and you can

521
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.759
hear this long stretched out siren call and you hear

522
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.480
four females reply. These are all separate females actually replying.

523
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.759
So I'll just play that.

524
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.319
Go ahead, all right, let's check it out.

525
00:29:50.799 --> 00:31:05.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

526
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.440
This is the audio where I've heard it from other people.

527
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.160
I've heard that exame exact things from an individual. Her

528
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.720
name is Chanelle, and she would drive around the roads

529
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:55.759
around Vernier and just have well, sorry, she's a sparrow.

530
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.000
Oh yeah, yeah, so you know Chanel Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

531
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.599
I don't know her to meet.

532
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.480
Her bigs A society will be right back after these messages.

533
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:22.920
Yeah, because she's in a particular too. And I think

534
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:24.559
she is. I don't want to.

535
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.920
I think she's she's actually getting recording from the same

536
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:29.400
group that moved to the northwest.

537
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:30.559
This is that group?

538
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.880
Oh when that that would make total sense, Ben, I

539
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.599
mean it, it does sound so similar, right.

540
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.160
Right, And I said, I think I've heard other because

541
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:45.799
I've been there for long, people sharing other recordings the groups, Dick,

542
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:46.759
you sound the same.

543
00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:48.559
I've actually heard the same group.

544
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:51.680
I can't know by Steven's past, it sounds like the

545
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.119
same same particularly, I don't think it's the same group,

546
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.640
but it sounds the same kind of rhythmic sounds and day.

547
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.160
But this is what's typical what we were hearing. I

548
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.079
was hearing out there for several months. Every you know,

549
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.440
every weekend, I went out there and I would hear

550
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.880
this group doing this for hours. It wasn't just you know,

551
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:14.720
an occasional stream here and there. This was going on

552
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:20.359
all night long, which is interesting because I haven't got

553
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:23.160
anything like that since then. Ice is in the groups

554
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.400
because pretty much they're pretty much quiet.

555
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:25.599
Now, so.

556
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:32.759
Some wild wild stuff, so big foot ops goals to

557
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.039
get information for yourself. It looks like a heavy focus

558
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:42.200
on audio recording correct, Yes, okay.

559
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.039
Uh And at that time I didn't do too much recording.

560
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.680
The early twenty thirteen, I had a few and.

561
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:51.200
I lost a lot of records that I had.

562
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.799
On a laptop, and I had a virus on HITT

563
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.759
and I last lost a lot of body because of that,

564
00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:00.240
probably over two in her vocals, I just want people

565
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.759
understand what what the groups sound like, and let's you know,

566
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:07.799
calls and stuff related. This sounds exactly what I was

567
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:09.440
hearing out there for several months.

568
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.039
Is which are check recorded?

569
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.880
Now? Has there ever been an attempt to try to

570
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:21.720
get any visual evidence of what you're encountering out there?

571
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:29.559
Yes, we we. It's because of the brushes definitely. Like

572
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:31.599
I said, we have every type of.

573
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:40.559
Camera, thermal cameras, we have handhelds, we have cameras, trail cams. Now,

574
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.240
I've had some interesting things happened to our trail camps

575
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.119
where they've been destroyed and.

576
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:46.079
Stuff like that.

577
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:53.480
It's really difficult to explain about capturings on on.

578
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:56.279
Video.

579
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.119
We were actually just discussing the other day, but we're

580
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.799
our more main focused this year is probably trying to

581
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:10.159
get the videos the thermals and starting this actually Friday

582
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:14.920
will be doing that several of the times.

583
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.320
So it's difficult.

584
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.960
So people think it's just even though they're there all

585
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.039
the time, that it's not that easily hanging back in

586
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.039
the brush.

587
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:24.480
It's easy to get audios.

588
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:28.519
I mean, you can set those out there, but there's

589
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:32.960
something about the game cameras and thermals. It seems to

590
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.039
be a de turn to them, and we haven't I

591
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.440
don't like to speculate on it because it's not we

592
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:44.039
know they can see in the I R spectrum, because

593
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.239
like I said, they're finding our game camerasmen in matter

594
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.199
how well we hide them or whatever, they still find

595
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:49.880
them out there.

596
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.039
Absolutely. I think it might also be good to spend

597
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:59.599
a few minutes maybe discussing about what you think the

598
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.519
big F actually is or how you categorize it.

599
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:10.840
Well, I have been discussed all the time. I can't

600
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:16.960
really say what it is. Everybody has different theories on this.

601
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:24.440
I do know that people like the more intelligent thinking,

602
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:27.400
and I haven't seen that I would I would like

603
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:32.000
to say that it's probably below human thinking and reasoning

604
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.960
and intelligence. I haven't seen anything out there more that

605
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:41.159
it would be anything more associated than apes on the

606
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:48.199
way they they their behavior or whatever. And only reason

607
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.760
saying that is that their problem solving skills when related.

608
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:56.119
Given example is is I don't know if you're showing

609
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.960
them or not, but our farm units are recording units.

610
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.119
They played with us all the time. They have no

611
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.199
fear of those. I've never had any destroyed. Or they

612
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.480
pick them up, sniff them, put them back down, they

613
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.079
put little structures.

614
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:11.639
Around them or whatever.

615
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.800
But you could hear them. We hear everything on these audios.

616
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.599
You could hear them testing this equipment. Is what they're

617
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.519
doing is they run up to it, they run back,

618
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.199
They run up to it, and they run back, and

619
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.320
this goes on to like four or five, six times,

620
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:32.559
and then you ht them walk up to it, pick

621
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.800
it up, sniff it, and put it back down, and

622
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.639
then walk off and do whatever they normally do it

623
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.960
either go walk and you know, bang them some rocks

624
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:46.360
or trees or whatever, and that's it. There are problems

625
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:48.920
solving skills. They try to figure out what it is,

626
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.239
but at the same time, they don't go beyond that,

627
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.000
like like a human or something. They look at it

628
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.400
and look at it and probably throw it down, beat

629
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.840
on it, and jump on into whatever. Okay, they're satisfied

630
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.519
these things. That's all they do with our recording equipment

631
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:10.039
is just that, which seems to be more like a

632
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:15.440
pin an ape like like a chimpanzee or maybe a

633
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:18.400
gorilla would do. A grilla might just decide to take

634
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.440
it and pick it up and beat the death or whatever.

635
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.360
But they don't see no one to go beyond that.

636
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:28.559
Their curiosity goes to a cirt extent and stops, like says,

637
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.880
they don't play with the button, They don't try to

638
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.360
open it up or you know, trying to seem with

639
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.800
the main cause like a human would trying to figure

640
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.840
it out that They just kip board and then they

641
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.840
just walk away. And that's why I would say that

642
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.960
they and like I said, I've recorded this time after

643
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.800
time after time, probably ten or fifteen instance where they've

644
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:56.079
done this. There's same exact new team because most of

645
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.280
time I pick up cards. Oh they're doing this again,

646
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:00.880
you know, like I says, they do the same thing

647
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:01.840
over and over again.

648
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.119
That's it, doesn't that and this is the only site

649
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:04.800
they do that is.

650
00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:09.920
Charlie done this, Yankee Zebras, All different places we put

651
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.480
this equipment, they've done the same exact name. I know

652
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.480
people like to give them human abilities or anything, but

653
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:22.039
I haven't run across anything like that to say, it

654
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:22.960
goes beyond that.

655
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:27.480
Extremely interesting. So based off of what you have seen,

656
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:32.039
if you were to broadly categorize it, you know, usually

657
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.119
people are saying, oh, kind of looked more like like

658
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.679
we have some undiscovered you know, apes out here, or

659
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:43.159
maybe there's some kind of like offshoot of human that's

660
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.320
hiding out in the woods. Would you lean towards either

661
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.320
of those or it would be kind of totally different for.

662
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.960
You that the.

663
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.840
Creatures that I've seen in physical aspects of it is

664
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.719
they're a human like in the face.

665
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:04.519
You can actual see a pronounced.

666
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.320
But they have a heavy brow ridge that I've noticed,

667
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:10.800
and I always relate to it like a cape manner.

668
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.079
I don't know what neanthal is.

669
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:15.440
I think i've seen a few pictures, but I really

670
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:21.320
related to that. If there'sn't a lot of hair on

671
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:23.599
are faced, for on the cheekbones and stuff, and they

672
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:28.679
have a big, wide mouth on them, very very big,

673
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.800
huge creatures. I say, anybody's ever seen one? The word

674
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.400
only comes to mind is nasty and huge. If somebody

675
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.800
tell me, if I don't hear those words in it,

676
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:38.920
I assume that person has never seen one, because.

677
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.400
People say act like they casually.

678
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:42.280
Say, oh yeah, I saw all one over here. Well,

679
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.079
the word that comes to mind is they are huge.

680
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:47.960
That's all they can tell you about those things is

681
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:49.559
just they're massive creatures.

682
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:54.000
You'd mentioned that there's been also some some other really

683
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:57.920
interesting things that have happened in the Charlie area as well.

684
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.760
Oh yeah, it's charge.

685
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:03.960
I probably have had it over one hundred and fifteen encounters,

686
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.119
and that that people decided over the years because we

687
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:07.599
go visits so much.

688
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:07.639
But.

689
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:14.360
We've had taken other people out there. Well, I should

690
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.719
say start back from yet, I have to be very

691
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:18.840
careful we take people out of market. I'd learned from

692
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:22.800
the last couple of instances because we actually terrified a

693
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.880
couple people at which I told them in the band.

694
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.960
I tried to tell people, this is what to expect

695
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:29.920
when you go out here.

696
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:33.960
I said, they're huge creatures.

697
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.599
And you better get yourself mindset for it. You know,

698
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:40.960
they're thinking they're going out and it's going to be

699
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.119
fifty feet away. Well, they're not going to be fifty

700
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:45.079
feet away in the middle of the night when you're

701
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:45.679
camping and stuff.

702
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.679
They're going to come into camp and everything like that.

703
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:53.280
But the most couple of things that I'll start off

704
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.519
with is had I took a gentleman out there and

705
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.039
I stay in a motor home. I won't stay in

706
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.880
a ten out there thing, but I park it there

707
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.639
and that usually guy parks right there behind me or whatever.

708
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.199
At the end of Charlie.

709
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:10.119
In this particular night, I would had taken when I

710
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.360
used to feed him out there, I don't do that anymore.

711
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.800
But I took an I took some bacon, and I

712
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.239
took it out about one hundred and fifty feet away

713
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.719
from the vehicle, and I put some bacon on the

714
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.920
plate out there. And I come back and I was

715
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.400
talking to this gentleman and everything, say, well, go to

716
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.239
bed for night. In the morning time, I'll go out

717
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:30.880
and I'll look around.

718
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.239
So he's some prints and everything.

719
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.480
And this guy actually used to be my boss actually,

720
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:42.480
so a sweet revenge. But anyway, in the morning, when

721
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.239
I got up, I happened to open the door and

722
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.920
look down on my bumper on my motor home, and

723
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:53.000
here's this paper plate. And at the time he didn't

724
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.360
associate with the plate that I put out there, but

725
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.599
then I said, wow, it looks like the paper played

726
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.320
I put out there. So anyway, I went to where

727
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:03.400
I put the bacon on his paper plate and it

728
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.239
was gone, and I thought, wow, that's kind of weird.

729
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.159
And I kind of looked around stuff and I walked

730
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:11.000
back and I said, well, that must be the paper

731
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.320
plate that I put on that stump, and he actually

732
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.599
put it on my bumper. So anyway, as I was

733
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:19.079
coming around the corner and I said, this was probably

734
00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:23.960
six seven o'clock in the morning, this gentleman come out

735
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.440
of his car in the back and he's just white faced.

736
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.400
I mean, I just you can see some kind of

737
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:32.440
tear on his face, and I'm going, wow, I said,

738
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:35.320
what's going on? And all he could get out of

739
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:39.079
his mouth was this big footing is not for me.

740
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.360
And he was actually physically shaking and stuff like that,

741
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:46.199
and I'm going what he says, Oh, I'm going home.

742
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.199
This ain't for me. He got in his car.

743
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:50.440
He actually left, and I hadn't talked to him for

744
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.760
like two years after that. I never didn't find out

745
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:55.880
exactly what I went on. So I actually had a

746
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.760
meeting here in a couple we were talking about big

747
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.679
Footney showed for his meeting. He wouldn't talk to me

748
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:02.320
about the incident.

749
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:03.159
Whats whoever? Actually?

750
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.599
Last two years? I go, wow, just tell me, he said,

751
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.079
I'm just not gonna tell you. So he finally told me.

752
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:09.079
Were it to me?

753
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.920
I said, what had happened that night? And he says

754
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.960
about after he went to bed and he was sitting

755
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:21.000
there asleep, and he was kind of like jarred awake

756
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:24.719
in his car. Something like something bumped his bump bumped

757
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:26.440
the car in the middle of the night. And he's

758
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:34.079
only like five or six feet apart behind my RV. Anyway,

759
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:35.679
he said, something jarred to look.

760
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:36.159
You up and see.

761
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:38.519
He kind of looked and looked out and he said

762
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:44.199
it was dark, and he said, in front of his vehicle,

763
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:49.920
he's seeing that big shadow. And I think he said

764
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.320
he turned on the parking lights or whatever, and all

765
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.880
of a sudden there's this big, huge, humongous creature, he says,

766
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:58.880
as big as in front of his car, was looking

767
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.320
doing him over the good leaning up over the hood

768
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.800
and looking through the windshield Addie, and he says he

769
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:10.559
just lost it. He says he was just terrified. He

770
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.519
was just scared. He didn't he was so scared, didn't

771
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.000
even know to start the car to leave and everything.

772
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:17.559
And he said he just laid there and this thing

773
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.360
was just staring at him. And then he said he

774
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:24.079
stood back up right and walked off. And he said

775
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:28.119
he was just in shock. And I asked him, I said,

776
00:44:28.239 --> 00:44:30.000
why did you sit there? Hding you hounk the horn

777
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.519
or whatever. He says, I was afraid he was just

778
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:35.239
going to come back and attacking. But the guy was

779
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.719
physically shaken up in the morning time, so I know

780
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:38.840
he had seen something.

781
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:44.960
But they was. It was terrifying to him. And he says,

782
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:46.360
that's one of the thing was learned.

783
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.400
And said, wow, uh, I actually think I give him

784
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:54.039
PDSD from the incident because he was ultimate frantise. He

785
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.800
still he tells me every once in a while, he

786
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.559
texts me he says, I always think he's ready to

787
00:44:58.559 --> 00:44:59.159
go back out, and he.

788
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:00.679
Still I won't go back out.

789
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.280
I said, well, come on, I'll take you back out there,

790
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:04.000
and you won't go back out there.

791
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.599
He was really physically white faced.

792
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.639
And everything as I was, Wow, he was really through

793
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:14.320
some traumatic stuff on that. So I said, I'm really

794
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.960
careful trying not to have that happen again with people

795
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.760
out there. This is instance is and I believe that

796
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.480
was around twenty seventeen or sixteen, I don't remember.

797
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:25.159
It's been in quite a long time.

798
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:28.960
Ben. This is some really really wild stuff. I mean,

799
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.000
this this is, I would say, is as wild as

800
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.400
like you know, Southeast Oklahoma. I mean, maybe even more so.

801
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.039
I'm just coming into the story myself and hearing it

802
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:42.239
for the first time. But you know, there's another thing

803
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:47.440
that I I did not mention yet about your background.

804
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.800
It was in your bio that you gave, so you

805
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:52.159
you are a military veteran as well.

806
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.719
Correct, Yes, I'm a combat veteran.

807
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.760
Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

808
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.920
How do you think having that background as a combat

809
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:21.480
veteran and an officer has helped you in these years

810
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.440
of Bigfoot research.

811
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.000
Well, actually, I just discussion the other day.

812
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:32.119
If you look for a tactical advantage and what the

813
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:34.760
military has trained you on maps and stuff and how

814
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.960
you scatter on locations everything, that's what's the biggest thing

815
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:45.280
to me. And you look at things perspective. I look

816
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.199
at this like you're on a battlefield and you're you're

817
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.679
trying to lay out everything and this is your.

818
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:53.840
Tentata words here for.

819
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:00.159
Not enemy animals, a combatants or whatever, and you're trying

820
00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:02.199
to figure out how how they.

821
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.119
Do like true movements and stuff like that. And it's

822
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:04.679
exectly what.

823
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:10.639
I applied out there on uh, basically tactics on how

824
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:13.920
they you know, I'll smart these guys or whatever, because

825
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.719
they are intelligent for their environment. I mean they're really

826
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:24.519
adapted too for camouflage out there and everything else. I

827
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.760
mean it's totally it's very impressive. But I still don't

828
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.519
give it any more than human. I wouldn't give it

829
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.480
human equalities. But they are adapted for their environment.

830
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:36.599
Sure, sure, So.

831
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.559
I don't know any more words to say than that

832
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:45.239
it is just their their adversaries, I call it.

833
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:48.480
You know, I just look at you.

834
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:51.800
You need to know your adversaries that actually figured out

835
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:53.679
how these things move and stuff like that, and even

836
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:54.920
then they change it up on you.

837
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.119
Yeah, and I think my listeners can get that. And

838
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.320
in you saying that, it's not saying that you're wanting

839
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.480
to like you're not trying to shoot it or anything.

840
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:11.280
No, right, it makes no sense to And I don't

841
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:14.400
even want on dissectic screeches because the simple effectus is

842
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.599
that humans that tend to see they want to destroy

843
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:19.119
everything to get their hands on it. And I don't

844
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.320
think it wouldn't stop there. And that's my personal opinion.

845
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:25.079
And then I said this person is it would if

846
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:27.039
it say, oh, we want one creature, where they would

847
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:28.760
have to say, okay, it's a male, and then they

848
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.079
decide they want to chop off the female, and then

849
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:32.039
we need to know more.

850
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.320
About the group and they'll chop off at juvenal.

851
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.119
You know, it's just weird thinking like it's I just

852
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:40.519
don't think people want to stop there, so we don't

853
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.880
try to. I teach people how to basically find them.

854
00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.000
But at the same time as it's tell me, you know,

855
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.199
I won't tell anybody who must go out and shoot them.

856
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:53.760
I always hear stupid people making these comments about when

857
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.440
it comes to that, it doesn't impress me at all.

858
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:58.920
I say, well, here they.

859
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.239
Are, you can go out there and try to shoot them,

860
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.480
but just going to get you killed probably.

861
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:07.079
I would say yes, yeah, And.

862
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.519
Again if the person hasn't zeen one, so they you know,

863
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.360
they don't even know what they're dealing with out there,

864
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.840
and even as many years we've been, we don't know

865
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:17.800
exactly what we're dealing with out there, and we have

866
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:19.360
to be very careful.

867
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:23.639
Not to you know, uh, to do any kind of gressy.

868
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:26.519
Things because actually, probably about story we just had happened

869
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:30.840
last year. We got an aggressive response and all we

870
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.519
did was play an audio.

871
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.400
Really and it was it was a human.

872
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:42.519
Baby crying, oh dear, generating aggressive response by a male

873
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.000
out there, the one that Charlie.

874
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.960
So I want to hear definitely more about that, but

875
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.639
I want to add a commentary first. In the community,

876
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.320
there's always people that are like, oh, just play a

877
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:59.039
baby cry, but listen guys, like, here's an example of

878
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.559
why that might not be a good idea to do that.

879
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:06.039
I mean, so, can you can you share like what

880
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.719
when you're saying there was an aggressive response, like what

881
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.639
kind of things happened in response to that audio.

882
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:14.880
Well, it's actually how we got one of the autos

883
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.639
that you're going to play later on here is like

884
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:21.000
it's speaking and growling and stuff. It actually called out

885
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.840
from the top we had And this was the first

886
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:26.440
time I've actually used this because it was actually my h.

887
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:29.360
One of our researchers.

888
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.679
He just had a newborn child, so he jokay, he

889
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.280
just recorded it, and I said, well, I'll put that

890
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:37.920
on because we've heard about the same things about.

891
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:41.320
Playing you know this baby crying and whatever. And said, well,

892
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:42.880
I'll put it out there and we'll try it.

893
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:48.000
So we did this last year. It was in July

894
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:52.400
Againnikin or maybe June twenty ninth or whatever, I don't remember.

895
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:58.119
Anyway, we played that out there and we got an

896
00:50:58.159 --> 00:50:59.639
instantaneous response.

897
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.400
On the second time I call blasted it out there

898
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.199
and we heard something calling out and the first uh,

899
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.840
that's the only one clear when I said I heard

900
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.159
was this calling uh, and that.

901
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:13.800
We know it's a male.

902
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:16.280
It was calling off the top of the hill. There

903
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:19.960
was calling down to us, and I said, wow, that

904
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:24.440
was kind of weird and at first because it's because

905
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.440
this sounds like a bear, and I had it vetted

906
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.119
by the way it sounded like a bear response, and

907
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.119
I said, wow, did we just calling a bear?

908
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.800
So, uh, when I did that, I thought about it.

909
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.960
So I actually walked back to my truck and I

910
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.519
actually pulled out my abaves and carrigan and it's just

911
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.159
a ski the creature off. We don't plan it going

912
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:54.599
out there shooting bears or anything else either, but I

913
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.000
get armed. And so anyway, as I did that, I

914
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.840
was back in the truck. This is two things because

915
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.280
it actually be in a funny incident is as I

916
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.840
come back out of the truck, come back around, I

917
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:10.719
actually looked at and I don't want to put his

918
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.880
name out there, one of my fellow researchers in the

919
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:18.639
other the other one standing behind him. He's holding a

920
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:22.280
chair up like he was going to hit something out there.

921
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.639
And I said, what's going on out theesus? And then

922
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:27.480
I'll go aha, and said Kevin was standing behind pointing.

923
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.719
He says there's a a bigfoot over there, and I

924
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.199
said where. He says that at the end of just

925
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.480
out there, like fifty sixty feet And he's out there

926
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:40.000
and he's doing his heavy breathing and then tues to

927
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.440
going yeah. He says, they're both telling me his heavy

928
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.599
breathing and everything. By the way, and I'm going, wow,

929
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:51.599
I am not hearing any of this. But as he

930
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:53.079
holds his chair, but I said, what are you going

931
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.800
to do with that? He says, om, I just started laughing.

932
00:52:58.079 --> 00:52:59.880
I thought it was funny, said, might come around here,

933
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.119
and he's holding this chirrup like he's going to do

934
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:07.760
something this creature out there, and it's as I said.

935
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.679
It's funny. It just maybe it's just kind of funny

936
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:10.159
and everything.

937
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:14.440
So anyway, we loosten at Corny Ant still trying to

938
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:19.039
figure out my fellow researchers here if they're listening what

939
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:21.559
you guys were hearing out because it didn't sound like

940
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:22.920
have you breathing whatsoever.

941
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:27.719
It sounds like growling and uh, I don't know, I.

942
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.000
Would say off the wall language I've heard out there before,

943
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.159
but it just sounds like something growling. And like I said,

944
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:36.599
you thought it might be a bear at first, And

945
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.480
I actually kind of when I did the audio and everything,

946
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.880
and I says me to send this in and see

947
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:47.480
what this is. Is this is a bear or not?

948
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:52.199
So actually, had David Allison. You know people know with

949
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.840
op he's very good at audio. I call him to

950
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.960
gurule audio and everything, and he uses mccuauy library to

951
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:02.599
to use to think the animals with sounds and whatever

952
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:06.840
to identify them. But anyway, come back David saying, no,

953
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.079
it's not a bear. The only thing he could come

954
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.679
close to was a grizzly he picked up on a

955
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.880
YouTube or whatever, and it wasn't identical, but it was close.

956
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:18.440
But we don't have.

957
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:21.159
Grizzly bears out there. And then you send this side

958
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.480
of the cascades. They're in the north side, and I

959
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.679
know there was no grizzly bear out there, but that

960
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:29.679
was close to do it. And I actually sent it

961
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:34.280
off to another gentleman, which.

962
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:35.800
Is the bear biologist for the.

963
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.280
State of Washington what used to be a couple of

964
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:41.880
years ago, to have him identify it. And he's saying

965
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:43.800
the same thing as no, it's not black bears, no

966
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.960
bear that he knows of. And he worked for the

967
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.440
State of Washington by the way, for the Biology Department,

968
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:53.360
so the Apartment of Wildlife. And then I actually sent

969
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:57.440
to another one two other people that were advid bear

970
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:00.199
hunters to get their intake on it, because I really

971
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:05.480
don't want to call something it isn't But they were saying, no,

972
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:07.880
isn't it. That's not a bear? So I don't know

973
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:11.400
what that is the same thing as Bolois. He said

974
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:12.599
the same thing. He didn't know what it was.

975
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:16.320
It's always extremely interesting when you get biologists involved in

976
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:20.679
They're like, yeah, I mean it is it's nothing we.

977
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.400
Got Yeah, I like I said, and I actually I've

978
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.400
had to work with the I sent a couple of

979
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.199
emails to the state now the female bologists in this

980
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.119
particular area, and I've shared some audios and stuff, and

981
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:34.719
we were discussing over emails.

982
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:36.480
It amade it.

983
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.960
It's kind of frustrating in a way because you could

984
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.719
think abolishes out there. They want to know what every

985
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:43.800
kind of creature is out there and everything, and they're

986
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:45.079
kind of like, well, yeah, I.

987
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:48.159
Don't know what that is. Well, wouldn't they drawing, you know,

988
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:49.079
take their interest.

989
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.639
It's unknown subject out there, so when you guys wouldn't

990
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:56.239
be interested in But no, they don't seem to be interested,

991
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:57.159
and they're just kind of.

992
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.280
Oh, well, you know, they try to put it off. Basically,

993
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:01.800
what it is.

994
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:05.840
I think You're absolutely right in that regard from situations

995
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:09.760
I've experienced myself that are similar. But let's go through

996
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:12.159
some of these sounds and maybe I can play play

997
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.079
them and then you can provide commentary on them. How

998
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:35.480
does that sound? Okay? Sure, here's the first one.

999
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:46.599
All right, Okay, that's a female responsibility to the male.

1000
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.880
It's been separated. Uh, there's going to be a male

1001
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:53.960
response you put on there too. The typical when we

1002
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:57.119
hear a younger juvenile and we heard out there at

1003
00:56:57.159 --> 00:57:02.360
the time, I think it was twenty fifteen. For a

1004
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:05.000
couple of months, we'd hear this creature calling out at

1005
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:09.400
a younger adult. And these are the responses to different females.

1006
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:12.400
He was calling to a different group was over at Delta,

1007
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.639
and you could hear them were replying. But this is

1008
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:21.800
the replies they do to a male calling out. And

1009
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.400
like I said, this is purely speculations because it was

1010
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.159
going on same time he would come in. He would

1011
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.679
call from over Charlie over to Delta, which is about

1012
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:34.159
a mile and a half away, calling to this group.

1013
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:38.920
I think you could hear replying. He did this several

1014
00:57:38.960 --> 00:57:42.320
times and couldn't figure out why. And again I was

1015
00:57:42.320 --> 00:57:45.159
speculating here, it sounds like it's territorial because he would

1016
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:47.440
go to a certain spot call out, they would reply,

1017
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:52.079
and they do this for depending on in thirty minutes,

1018
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:53.800
forty five minutes, and maybe an hour.

1019
00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:57.119
Until a big male replies back from.

1020
00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:02.800
Over at delta, and then all the activity would stop.

1021
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:08.239
And in the recordings, he walks up, does this, then

1022
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:10.880
walks away, and he did this several times in a row,

1023
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.119
and I go, wow, this is kind of weird. Come

1024
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.280
you just don't walk over there and you know, interact

1025
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:18.760
with this group and everything. Why you're always calling out?

1026
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:23.079
So we believe and like I said, you're only going

1027
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:26.639
off a little get off for recordings that it's uh

1028
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:33.320
territorial And this this younger juvenile license, a younger adult

1029
00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:37.400
male just couldn't walk over there and interact with this

1030
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.719
other group. We couldn't figure it out. Like I said,

1031
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:43.360
this went on for two or three months out there. Ever,

1032
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.800
so often we get these calls. It's hard to speculate

1033
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.519
exactly what they're doing. You can't see it going on,

1034
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:51.559
but you hear these things. And like I said, when

1035
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.760
you're doing this stuff repetitive over and over again again

1036
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:58.800
we're going a blank to why you would always come

1037
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:01.360
in and one spy a call out and they reply

1038
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.000
from this again, why he wouldn't just go over that

1039
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:08.920
way in the first start. But we definitely know there

1040
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.559
was a big male, a big alpha male to call it,

1041
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:12.159
that would.

1042
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:13.920
Call back and they would just stop all that crap.

1043
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:16.920
It would just like and I can't call it crap,

1044
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:19.320
but I mean saying, all the vocalizations would just stop

1045
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:19.960
and go silent.

1046
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:23.239
Right, are you referring to the male whaling one.

1047
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.400
Yeah, that's that's the same guy that was calling out.

1048
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:31.239
This is the younger And you could tell the differences.

1049
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:33.800
And if you listen, like the first one, you hear

1050
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:38.800
that big, long going out sound. Uh, it's deep heavy.

1051
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:41.639
This one is is a male. We believe that it's

1052
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:43.119
a younger adult.

1053
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:44.599
Got it.

1054
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.079
I'm going to play the male whaling one here.

1055
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:58.280
Yeah, m.

1056
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:15.079
So you'll hear that from one area and then the

1057
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:16.760
female response from the other area.

1058
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:17.920
Yeah.

1059
01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:21.079
The females are higher pitches like that the males.

1060
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:21.800
This is nice.

1061
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.679
If I think it's a younger, he's not so deep

1062
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:30.199
voiced or whatever. The alphasers seem to be really deep toned.

1063
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:33.320
Audios that you can hear calling back at which I

1064
01:00:33.320 --> 01:00:36.840
had more on there sending you. But I was just

1065
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.679
trying to give me examples. But there are there are

1066
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:42.960
a lot more deep toned and longer drawn out. This

1067
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.239
one seemed to be a younger male.

1068
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.400
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1069
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.960
But he finally stopped doing it out there, So I said,

1070
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:08.559
maybe you got with the group or whatever.

1071
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:08.960
I don't.

1072
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:12.880
We don't know, so, but like he said, it's it's

1073
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.480
hard to assess something in the in the night when

1074
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:18.960
you're out there. You know, you went across this repetitive

1075
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:21.559
things every three or four times, and trying to make

1076
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.480
assessments of exactly what they're doing when you're not seeing it.

1077
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:28.960
You can only guess. And again it's assumptioning could be

1078
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:32.159
totally wrong. But like I said, he just did the

1079
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:35.199
same thing, you know, protly three or four times, just

1080
01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:37.280
calling out over there, and we get replies, and you

1081
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:38.559
were just kind of like screating him.

1082
01:01:38.480 --> 01:01:40.320
Said, well, I wonder if that's what he was doing.

1083
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:42.679
If he's calling over there, you just can't go over there,

1084
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.679
you know, to interact with this other group.

1085
01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:49.960
Or what it's It's really fascinating stuff. I'm going to

1086
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:54.400
continue to the next one we got, just we'll see

1087
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:55.679
how many we can get through here.

1088
01:01:56.840 --> 01:02:28.320
Yeah, that is a knock that people are always talking

1089
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:29.960
about the talent gunshots.

1090
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:32.800
That's a typical not of usemmer an example out there

1091
01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:33.400
that I.

1092
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:35.760
Said, record just about everything there is, and people talk

1093
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.480
about these gunshot type of knocks. I don't even know

1094
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.519
how to even replicate that kind of a knock.

1095
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:43.280
By the way, you.

1096
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:45.719
Hear the bang and then you hear multiple bangs, and

1097
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:48.679
I don't know how they do that.

1098
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:51.320
That's wild and you're just you're just randomly picking that

1099
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:53.599
up with your audio recorders out there.

1100
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:54.719
Wow. Yeah.

1101
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:57.079
And it was a lot louder because it was right

1102
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.920
next to whatever it was going on, so you could

1103
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:05.880
hear him moving above that and I just short uh footsteps.

1104
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:08.840
You could hear them moving around the parabolic as he's

1105
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.719
doing this too, So he's really really close. And like

1106
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:15.480
I said, uh, it's very very loud. But that's something.

1107
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:17.840
There's different types of knocks. That happened to be one

1108
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.199
of the knocks we can't knocks as well.

1109
01:03:21.159 --> 01:03:21.840
It's one of the.

1110
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:25.239
Sounds that they produce one their communication is it's definitely.

1111
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.440
I think he's more of a he's another alpha males

1112
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.039
that uh, he's on the east side of Yankee that

1113
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:33.280
does this kind of stuff.

1114
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:36.519
He's a more aggressive.

1115
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:40.719
Type of bigfoot out there. He's a big lock door.

1116
01:03:40.599 --> 01:04:05.280
And stuffarison here. Ye all right, I don't think there's

1117
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.280
really much. I mean, that's that one is pretty amazing.

1118
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:13.119
They're they're they're long if you know, as long. We

1119
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:17.920
didn't believe that's a younger male also, see, but they

1120
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.800
do this. It's not like a juvenile journals do like

1121
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:24.960
a singing kind of thing. It does sound like singing.

1122
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:25.840
They do out there.

1123
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.960
All I can say for real small juvenile ones out there,

1124
01:04:30.199 --> 01:04:34.599
it's a totally different type of vocalization. And this is

1125
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:37.039
just examples of different ones. That's all I can do

1126
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:38.960
is squeeze in there. I would like to go through

1127
01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:41.679
all of them, but I can't do that because we'd

1128
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:44.719
be here for weeks. Of all the recordings you got

1129
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.599
of all these different types of it's just another form

1130
01:04:47.639 --> 01:04:50.800
of communication. The one it is late night visitor is

1131
01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:55.400
one that is mimicking an owl, and you can actually

1132
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.199
hear the different residents in the tone that out differs

1133
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:01.719
from a regular ol out there bar well and actually

1134
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:04.760
at the end of it, at the two minutes and

1135
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:05.920
thirty price second mark, I.

1136
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:07.320
Believe there's actually a.

1137
01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:10.280
Juvenile call on there in response in which is part

1138
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:12.239
of the scene he was talking about.

1139
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.760
Okay, it's labeled late night visitor.

1140
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:21.039
Yeah, okay, I just we actually seen this a wow future.

1141
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:24.039
It was observed through a thermal and he had come

1142
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.280
and gone several times that night.

1143
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.159
It was out there too, had two law.

1144
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:35.440
Enforcement uh individuals out there, and they were real skepticals

1145
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:37.119
and everything, and they actually got to see it through

1146
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:38.119
thermals and everything.

1147
01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:40.000
This creature interacting was.

1148
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:43.960
Digging and it would see them looking at it, and

1149
01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.400
then it would run up over the hill twenty minutes

1150
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:47.360
later come back.

1151
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.239
As soon as they start, you know, you spoke.

1152
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:52.320
Your thermal again, it would run back and it would

1153
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:53.039
hide for a while.

1154
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:58.079
So he was doing it several times that night, liking this.

1155
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:03.000
There's one eye found particularly interesting. I'm going to bring

1156
01:06:03.039 --> 01:07:43.280
it up here.

1157
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.480
School school.

1158
01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:13.680
Dot might by a.

1159
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.800
It's not you, it's awesome though.

1160
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:03.399
That's that's uh.

1161
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:07.279
It's an example of what they're hoping they do in

1162
01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:11.800
their aggressive response and they uh the backspur on this

1163
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:14.319
particular thing is that he had it set up next

1164
01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:14.640
to him.

1165
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:19.640
It's still going.

1166
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:21.159
I think it's almost done.

1167
01:12:21.399 --> 01:12:27.319
Yes, yes, like six minutes long. Okay. This again used.

1168
01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:29.479
By Chuck Mats and he recorded this and he had

1169
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.960
set up a pair of bolic to a nest site

1170
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:38.039
in the early evening and he actually has a more

1171
01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:41.079
expensive pair of bolic dish. It was like four hundreds

1172
01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:43.640
of dollars his dish, and he actually put a cover

1173
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:49.680
on top of this dish and put it in front

1174
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:50.239
of this.

1175
01:12:52.359 --> 01:12:53.119
Nest.

1176
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:55.079
And as you can hear, you hear the creature come

1177
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:57.279
in the middle of night. I believe this was around

1178
01:12:57.520 --> 01:12:59.880
one o'clock in the morning or whatever, and you find

1179
01:13:00.159 --> 01:13:03.399
this parabolic and sitting in front of his nest and

1180
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:07.439
he was having a fit about this parabolic being there.

1181
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:11.359
You can hear him stomping there and he starts happening.

1182
01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.720
We know it's not a deer up because it is

1183
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.520
since six minutes long. As actually going on in nannathing

1184
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.680
is that the creature leaves and comes back, leaves and

1185
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.319
comes back and upset again Bulck being there. And yet

1186
01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:28.560
it wasn't like one of my smaller unit. It was

1187
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:33.479
a pretty big unit. But this is the response that gave.

1188
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:35.760
Was doing in.

1189
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:39.800
That that this parabolic was sitting in front of its

1190
01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.079
nest and you can hear it coming go and start

1191
01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.960
throwing stuff at the at the parabolic. You can hear

1192
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.319
that canvas under where I was messing in front and

1193
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:52.199
see what was underneath it, I believe at the time.

1194
01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:57.399
But this is a good example of what some of

1195
01:13:57.399 --> 01:14:00.439
their aggressive responses that they how they handle us situation.

1196
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:07.439
That's that's incredible stuff. I I want to say I've heard. Man.

1197
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:11.000
I'm going to say it's very unique to other things

1198
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.359
that I've heard, but I have heard people describe that

1199
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:17.439
sound before, so it's really cool to hear it in

1200
01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:18.039
that regard.

1201
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:20.880
Did you say I've actually physically heard that out there?

1202
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:21.479
Oh wow?

1203
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:24.880
Myself in close close proximity. I didn't realize it's getting

1204
01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:28.079
as long in here. But we've heard this, you know,

1205
01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:31.079
within eight feet of us. And as they're shaking trees,

1206
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:34.279
we hear them huffing like this. You know, they're they're

1207
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:38.680
really upset about something. And this this picure didn't make

1208
01:14:38.680 --> 01:14:40.520
sense because we were out there calling them out there

1209
01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:45.640
at Delta, didn't hear or see anything for several hours trying.

1210
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:46.399
To figure out where they're at.

1211
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:49.319
And as we're walking back up the road, and this

1212
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:54.159
was late at night, it is dark. We had as

1213
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:57.399
we walked by a particular tree up this road and

1214
01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:01.760
I says again again it's dark. We heard a little

1215
01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:05.720
bit of ruffling going on, and this thing started all

1216
01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:08.520
of a sudden grabbing a tree, a good sized tree,

1217
01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:11.560
is shaking this tree and huffing and let us know

1218
01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:12.319
we're right there.

1219
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:15.279
And it could have just let us walk right by it.

1220
01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:17.000
We would have never own it was there, but like

1221
01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:21.399
demonstrate us, just letting us know it was there. And

1222
01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:25.640
he wasn't happy. And there was also a creature behind us,

1223
01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:30.640
because we heard a branch break behind us as one

1224
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:32.560
was on the other side of the road heard enough.

1225
01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:35.399
One of our researchers pulled their gun because they caught

1226
01:15:35.439 --> 01:15:39.680
him off guard. So I knew there was something there

1227
01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:41.960
just because I heard a little bit of ruffling and

1228
01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:44.479
or whatever, but I didn't expect it, you know, the

1229
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:48.399
tree to start shaking and all this stuff. So and

1230
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.119
I told him that they're gun away or we're gonna

1231
01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:54.560
get killed out here. Because it took about two steps.

1232
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:57.520
Normally when we go buy something. They do that and

1233
01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:59.600
you can hear them they run off the same took

1234
01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:01.720
two step up and stopped and just stood there.

1235
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:02.039
Ben.

1236
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:07.039
This is you guys are into some amazing things in

1237
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:10.039
these research areas that you have just outside or near

1238
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:14.319
And uh, man, I've got I've got like twenty questions

1239
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:17.439
in my head. But this is going a little bit long.

1240
01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:19.319
But man, I don't know if you're up for it,

1241
01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:22.560
but I would love to have you back on for

1242
01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:23.960
for a second time.

1243
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:25.640
Yeah, I think I think you can get another hour

1244
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:28.159
and a half out of Yeah, easy.

1245
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:30.439
Yeah, And I still got plenty of I mean, I

1246
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:34.399
got so so many stuff like that's happened out there,

1247
01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:36.319
and I this is that, you know, I still got

1248
01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:37.439
the pro sound stuff.

1249
01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:38.039
You know.

1250
01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:45.600
Actually, just that's something another defensive ability to have. It's

1251
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:49.319
only colored ability, but it's something that they do out there,

1252
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:50.600
and it's it's nasty.

1253
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:54.319
Well yeah, well we got to talk about that some day.

1254
01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:55.399
It made me so sick.

1255
01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:57.600
Yeah, I guess maybe on the next thing, I'll put

1256
01:16:57.600 --> 01:16:59.640
that on your bit, like if we've been counter stiff

1257
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.000
And like I said that, my whole goal is just

1258
01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:04.239
to share some of the stuff that everybody's you know,

1259
01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:07.039
I'm not trying to claim that. I'm trying to use

1260
01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:11.000
that ideas to show what we're encountering out there. You know,

1261
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.720
this is nothing new for us. And I said, we're

1262
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:17.399
getting pretty good vedroom. And we actually have a younger

1263
01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:20.960
one member now is starting and he's starting he's already

1264
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:25.880
had instances out there already. So and I've probably taken

1265
01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.720
probably over one hundred people out there, and every one

1266
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:33.079
of them's had some kind of encounter experience.

1267
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:37.600
With these creatures out there. Incredible that out there, that common,

1268
01:17:37.760 --> 01:17:38.279
you know, So.

1269
01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:44.920
Then before we before we uh shut down this one.

1270
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.760
Is there a way people can keep up to date

1271
01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:51.119
with what you're doing. Is there any online presence for

1272
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:52.439
bigfoot ops or.

1273
01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:54.640
Well, I just do the Facebook thing.

1274
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.640
I said, We're not into the whole thing is just

1275
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:00.680
totally information stuff. And I always hoping contact me at

1276
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:03.359
any time or whatever the group and I'll have to

1277
01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:04.239
answer questions.

1278
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:05.399
It's there.

1279
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:08.279
We're always looking for people like to, you know, to

1280
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:12.960
join us one to do researching. We're more than happy

1281
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:15.199
to take them out there and they work with them.

1282
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:17.439
And you know, show them the things that we've run across.

1283
01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:18.960
I mean, I don't.

1284
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:20.319
Try to say we're all know it all, but we

1285
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:23.199
do have almost all the equipment that you can possibly have,

1286
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:28.279
call blessing systems, recording, you know, according devices the UH

1287
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:32.520
some of our new stuff like arabolic, they can record.

1288
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.159
Plus we could hear speakers with us live. We can

1289
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:37.840
hear out there what's.

1290
01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:40.520
Going on live time we have.

1291
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:42.920
We can do them with headphones, you know, to do

1292
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.199
a stealthy approach, or we can listen just listening campus

1293
01:18:46.199 --> 01:18:49.800
see what's going on out there. He says, it's it's

1294
01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:53.960
it's truly fascinating what these creatures do and everything their

1295
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:59.920
communication is this beyond ah, I said, We're only where

1296
01:18:59.920 --> 01:19:02.520
I use as fascinating is the things they do. There's

1297
01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:09.359
so many ways they communicate, you know, vocal knocking, rock collas,

1298
01:19:09.560 --> 01:19:15.399
they do, all that stuff, grunt everything is a form

1299
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:18.680
of communication between them, and you know, there's nothing directed

1300
01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:21.560
at us. And I just my biggest thing is to

1301
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:25.800
tough people that you're not going to have. If anything,

1302
01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:27.399
I try to tell you, you're not going to have

1303
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:30.960
this physical interaction. These creatures don't seem to want, you know,

1304
01:19:31.239 --> 01:19:34.960
adult creatures anyway, want to have any kind of human

1305
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:38.920
reaction or interaction, we should say with humans at all,

1306
01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:44.920
they show no interest in it. If anything, they always

1307
01:19:44.920 --> 01:19:47.159
try to stay avoid us and get around us and everything.

1308
01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:49.720
And most of the stuff we have these little interactions

1309
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:51.560
and stuff when you come into camper thing you're done

1310
01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:53.119
by juveniles or younger adults.

1311
01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:57.159
They're not adults. Wow.

1312
01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:02.760
Uh, Ben, this has been fir fascinating that. Yeah, You've

1313
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:06.199
got so much to share and listeners. In the show

1314
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:08.760
notes is going to be the link to the Facebook

1315
01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:10.760
page for Big for Ops. If you want to see,

1316
01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:14.680
like what Charlie area looks like, there's pictures there. I'll

1317
01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:18.279
have some pictures in the YouTube version of this episode

1318
01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:21.840
as well. But Ben, thank you so much for coming

1319
01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:25.039
on the show today, and we'll definitely be talking to

1320
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:25.479
you later.

1321
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.119
Yeah, and I'll try it time to do be that

1322
01:20:29.239 --> 01:20:31.439
all over the place and be more structured for you.

1323
01:20:32.239 --> 01:20:35.159
It's difficult to sit there and try to download fifteen

1324
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:38.199
years of stuff has been going on out there, you know,

1325
01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:41.119
and a lot of this stuff is just normal to us.

1326
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.199
But if you're like your viewers, is something that's all

1327
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.680
new to them, and you'd just like to share instances

1328
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:48.840
of showing you know, which fonts of things for people

1329
01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:52.159
talk about the different knocks and stuff like it.

1330
01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:53.239
We'd just like to share all that.

1331
01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:57.439
Stuff absolutely well, Ben, thank you for coming on the show.

1332
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.199
What you can do at you know, when you get

1333
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:02.520
a minute, is that that link I had sent you

1334
01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:06.199
in an email. You can use that to set up

1335
01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:10.119
another time that works best for you, and you know

1336
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:12.800
at whenever you have a you know, free time.

1337
01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:15.560
So yeah, I have got your free time. I'm tired.

1338
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:16.600
There you go.

1339
01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:19.720
Anything I do is researching drisody. That's all I do.

1340
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:20.239
I love it.

1341
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:24.439
Thank you there, We'll be in touch.

1342
01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:25.159
Thanks again, Ben.

1343
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:26.640
All right, thank you.

1344
01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:28.319
I just wanted to take a few minutes to say

1345
01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:31.399
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1346
01:21:31.479 --> 01:21:35.199
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01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:59.479
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1354
01:21:59.560 --> 01:22:03.560
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1355
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:07.479
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1356
01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:13.079
Here's the list the Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

1357
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:18.760
McKinsey Bridge area, Sweet Home, pretty much that entire area,

1358
01:22:19.319 --> 01:22:22.600
the north part. If you get what I mean, I'll

1359
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