Sept. 17, 2024

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Join the Bigfoot Society as they unravel spine-chilling encounters in Oakridge, Oregon, featuring Brock’s harrowing experiences with massive footprints, unsettling smells, eerie noises, and rock-throwing incidents. Brock shares compelling evidence,...

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Season 1

Join the Bigfoot Society as they unravel spine-chilling encounters in Oakridge, Oregon, featuring Brock’s harrowing experiences with massive footprints, unsettling smells, eerie noises, and rock-throwing incidents. Brock shares compelling evidence, including video footage and track casts, lost under mysterious circumstances.In the second half, Deb Frediani recounts her childhood Bigfoot sighting in Idaho and her lifelong fascination, sharing heart-pounding moments and valuable insights into Bigfoot behavior. The episode also dives into unsettling mimicry tales, like a crying baby luring individuals further into the forest.This episode, packed with firsthand accounts and crucial advice, is a must-watch for any Bigfoot enthusiast.

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and now let's get on with the show, all right,

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Big for Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Brock.

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Brock's an individual who's a local Oakridge, Oregon resident. I

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actually had the privilege of chatting with him for a

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while at my booth during Sasquatch Summerfest summer of twenty

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twenty four.

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That was just passed, and.

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It's a privilege to be able to talk to Brock

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on the actual show and to go over a few

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things that he's experienced in the area.

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So Brock. How's it going tonight, Man.

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Well, thank you very much, Jeremiah. What a warm introduction.

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I greatly appreciate that. Yeah, it's going excellent. Just been

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focused on work since I've seen you last, but you've

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been anticipating this interview and looking forward to this conversation.

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That's awesome.

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I hope the fires are okay out there or things

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getting worse.

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It appears that they're just doing mop up on the

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rest of them. But yeah, everything has extinguished. Our temperatures

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have dropped quite a bit. We had a couple of

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little bits of rain, and yeah, it's all even flow

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now where we're looking forward to spring and a good

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healthy winter now. So yes, forest fire season begne with you.

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That's great man.

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I was thrown right into that, and man, I remember

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sitting staying at the booth and there was like the

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one time to like I almost lost my voice and

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I was like, what's going on? I look up and

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you can't see the mountains. I was like, oh my goodness.

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But it was such a fun time.

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But absolutely terrible in the past three to five years

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here in town. Yeah, when the visibility starts going, yeah,

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it's best to get inside. And try to breathe some

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of that air, purifire air. Thanks to Oakridge are a

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lot of US residents are breathing cleaner to these forest fires.

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There you go.

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So what I thought might be an interesting area to start.

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You had shared with me how you've actually been involved

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with this bigfoot subject for quite a long time around Oakridge,

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going way way back. I want to say it was

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back to the nineties, right.

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That's absolutely correct. Yeah, growing up as an Oakridge resident

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here in town, I been here since the early well

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mid eighties. Moved from Nebraska. Dad started a business back

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in eighty seven. But as a kid growing up in school,

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we'd always hear stories and then as I proceeded to

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be a young adult and kind of disappear away from

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the okre Jerry and come back. My dad, being an

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avid fly fisherman, he had always had little strange experiences

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in the woods that he had communicate with me about

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and always told me, hey, son, keep an open minds,

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keep an open mind. He's all the chills and the

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cold sweats are real in the woods, so you'll get

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him out of nowhere. I said, okay, So yeah, from

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there it things got interesting in my twenties. Yeah, if

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you'd like me to start now, I'll tell you where

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we all began.

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Absolutely, yeah, go right for it, Brock.

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Yeah. So I am about twenty five at this time.

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I'm living in Eugene, about a forty five mile trip

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to the west from oak Ridge, where my father was

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residing and where I grew up in high school. Well,

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I'm in Eugene and I'm working, trying to get my

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young life started and working as a furniture salesman. And

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Dad and I still communicate on the weekends, and he

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invited me up one summer weekend and told me he'd

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like to show me something he found fly fishing up

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Salmon Creek just outside of oak Ridge. And I said, well, sure, Dad,

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I'll grab my fly rod and we'll plan a camping

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trip and we'll go make an adventure of this. So,

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after his initial telling me about this thing he wanted

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to show me in the woods, I was kind of

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growing with anticipation. What is this. I remember having to

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call him after he had told me had something to

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show me, and he revealed that he had really found

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a large what he believed to be a footprint an

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old rotted log, and it was way down by a creek,

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about a mile away from any road, and he wanted

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to walk me down there and show me this footprint,

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but didn't want to walk down there all for that reason.

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There's good fish in this little creek, and so he

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was bringing your flyer on and a tent and let's

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make a weekend out of it sort of situation. So

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that's exactly what we planned for. I spoke with him

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again and mentioned bringing plaster of Paris or fix all

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something to try to capture this print that he had

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captured in this rotted log. So I went to the

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hardware store and got a box of that green fix

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all whatever it was, white powder mix in a green box,

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and we proceeded to make plans for this camping trip.

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And when we finally arrived, I had had was that

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an eight millimeter digital camcorder, and I'm recording starting this

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journey with my dad and I just trying to make

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some memories. So I fire up the camquarder and say, yep,

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here we go. We're gonna walk down. We had those

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big framed metal backpacks on. I think each of us

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had sixty five to seventy pounds on with all of

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our gear and fly rods and whatnot, and of course

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all the other supplies and whatnot. So we proceed down

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to the creek and probably one hundred yards into the trail.

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After I fire up the camquarder, we stumble on three

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suspicious footprints, all measure in eighteen and a half to

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nineteen inches long, up to six inches widen areas on

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the footprints, all separated by like a six and a

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half foot stride. And the first set of footprints we

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stumble on was three. It was a left, right and

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a left footprint, and it was going down rather a

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deep ravine right by a large tree. I recall, as

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we've very first stumbled across these prints, thought well, if

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I was a massive creature creating these large footprints, I

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would have reached up and grabbed this tree branch. And

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I had the camcuarda rolling at this point as I'm

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speaking saying these words, and I panned the camera up

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to about a six inch mossy branch ten foot in elevation.

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It was way over my head and had about a

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four inch layer of moss on it, and it was

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all depressed in what appeared to be like a hamprint

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in the moss. I was pretty impressed having it on camera,

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and you know, we were all tickled and just having

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a good time. We were trying to put something down

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next to the footprints that we saw to show scale.

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And I remember my dad he did have a pistol

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on him, but he was afraid of pulling out the pistol,

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putting it down by the footprints in case we we're

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being watched by something we didn't understand, not wanting to

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irritate it. So remember Dad saying, NA, I'll keep my

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pistol holstered and we'll just lay down a fly rod

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for scale, you know. And so we did snap a

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couple stills, and I had the camera rolling the whole time.

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So after we pour these three footprints and get them

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put away, and little white plastic bags that we had

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had that and I think we had stumbled across some

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old beer cartons or something off the edge of the

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road that we had walked back up and got to

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wrap around these casts after we had poured them. But

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we proceeded down to the river, which was, oh, I

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want to say, about three quarters of a mile from

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the first three prints that we had found. We had

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finished hiking down to the creek, and we found the

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edge of this creek and we set up camp and

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and I remember a lot of large tall grass around

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our tent when we set up camp, and we tried

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not to, you know, flatten it all out. We didn't,

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you know, as far as tall grass goes that time

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of the air, we were pretty concerned with ticks, so

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we were trying to stay out of it and just

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kind of keep to our little camp site. So as

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we set up camp before nighttime, I recall wanting to

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fish downstream before it came a little too dark. I

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remember peeking downstream and I saw a large log crossing

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what appeared to be a pool that might have some

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rather decent fish to catch. So I proceeded downstream a

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few yards fifty to seventy five yards, I'm thinking, and

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I jump up on this log, and I catch a

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whiff of something that smells like a city dump, just

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a total odd smell that you shouldn't smell in an

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area that deep in the forest. I mean, we weren't

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close to any humans, any other humans that we knew of.

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This was really a very remote area. So as I

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jump up on the log, I start walking toward the

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center of it, and the smell gets stronger and stronger,

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and it really just appears that the smell that I'm

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smelling is just coming right from the very center of

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the log. And I look down and it appears that

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something's either been poured on the log just I kind

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of kneel down where it looked like something had been

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poured on the log, and that's where the smell had

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been coming from. And I got to thinking, well, if

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being a just hearing stories of sasquatch feces in Urine,

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I've heard of this odd smell with sasquatch smells like

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a city dump to some people who have explained it.

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And that's all that was across my mind is, well,

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maybe the creature stood out on this log and took

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a leak, and that's why I'm smelling this. So anyways,

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I had all that on camera and I was headed

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back to jump off of the log when I looked

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down at the at the upstream side of the log,

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there is a mud hole that has too small what

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appears to be like a youth size six or seven

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shoe barefootprint in the mud, but it is wet sloppy,

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sticky mud, and yeah, I had the camera zoom up

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on these prints, and yeah, it was rather impressive. I

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couldn't pour them. That mud was just so horrible that

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my lack of experience, I was thinking, now, I just

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can't capture this. At least I had it on video camera,

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is what I'm thinking at this point. At least I've

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caught all this on camera. And I'm pretty shocked because thinking, Wow,

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we're seeing all this weird stuff and we're not even

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into this rotted log. Dad wanted to show me on

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the whole trip, so I proceed back to camp tell

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my dad about what I experienced at the stream. He

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thought it was pretty cool. We fire up the campfire

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and proceed to sleep, and he passes out, and I

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felt like I was kept up all night by old

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like old men in their seventies grumbling just off in

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the distances that you couldn't make out any words is

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what they were saying. But they were just grumbling. And

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it was interesting to wake in the morning to find

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all that tall grass around our campsite flattened, and Dad

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and I were both pretty interested to that fact. Although

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he slept through all the noises I heard. I just

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remember giggling it off with him. He's like, well, you know,

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it's probably likely, he said. He's all, well, let's continue

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fishing and go downstream and I'll show you that rotted

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log where I found that footprint, he said. So, as

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the day proceeded, we packed up camp and started to

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go downstream a few hundred yards to where he had

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found this footprint. Well, after we packed up our camp

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and we proceeded downstream, we crossed part of the river

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that led to a bit of an island. In the

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middle of the river. The river had a bit of

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a split that had a stand of what I would say,

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we're alder trees going in a straight line, almost a

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very elongated egg shape downstream where the river finally joined

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back into a single stream at the end of this island. Well,

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is we had crossed the river and gotten out onto

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this island, we noticed something peculiar about the trees on

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this island of rocks. There was a bit of corrador

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like something had broken all of the branches in a

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perfect u and a straight line, so something could pass

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through without rubbing or breaking branch. As well as I'm

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videotaping all of this. We take a few steps onto

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this island and I look down, and there we find

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three more consecutive prints, a left, right, and the left,

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all again eighteen and a half inch to nineteen inch

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in length, separated by about a six six and a

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half foot stride. Again, I had the camera rolling, I

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had all this evidence on camera, just totally baffled. Again.

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I dropped my backpack, cracked open the box of fix all,

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mixed up some water, and pulled out my plastic bowl

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and poured three more prints. And yeah, by this time,

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we let those prints set and dry and that, and

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I maintained fishing throughout the day, and we never heard

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anything and never had that being watched feeling. But we

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sure had our ies peeled to the ground. I mean,

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we were pretty fascinated as to what was causing these

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huge footprints, But it was rather obvious. What was You know,

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it's just hard to put anything else on it, like

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hard to blame it on anything else. But too, you know,

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a two footed hometed walking through the forest. It's rather

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tall and larger than any other person. Anyhow, So we

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pick up these three prints on this island and proceed

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to the one footprint the dad wants to finally show

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me this. We think we're at the holy grail when

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we come across it. The footprint is so dilapidated and

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pathetic it is not even really worthy of a cast

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at this point, all the prints that we found on

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the way down to this one single print. He wanted

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to show me what were by far more impressive.

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Big for society. Who would be right back after these messages.

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I mean hard to explain verbally. It just the one

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he showed us looked like it could have really been faked.

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It had been rained on, dilapidated, I think something else

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might have stepped on it. Just very unimpressive, But we

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poured it anyways, and we called it a day, and

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we ended up hiking out of the place rather excited

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at our findes. Although we didn't have, you know, any

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visuals and didn't have any sightings, it did have nice

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footprint evidence and some odd smell testimonial and had a

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great video to share with people that we had experienced.

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And yeah, that pretty much summarizes my Salmon Creek experience

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with my father, and I'll date this in taking place

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all back in nineteen ninety seven.

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It's an incredible account, especially since you were able to

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have a video camera there and to have.

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The footage.

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You were able to capture the footage and also multiple

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track casts. I remember half of what the answer is

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going to be from the booth, But what happened to

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the footage and the track cast that you took that day.

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Well, my father still has possession of the tracks and

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the casts, and he's a local businessman and he still

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lives here locally in Oakridge, and he happily shares the

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sightings of these casts with anybody who inquires them coming

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into his business. The video that I had taken was

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so compelling to my father that he told one of

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his other local friends who happened to be another local

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business owner. They actually owned a local video store here

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in town, and which that video store is now since

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video rentals are obsolete, and they still have my video.

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It's quite an unfortunate incident as to what happened, But

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my father befriended the owner about his similar age in

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his seventies, actually passed away in possession of my video,

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and his wife still has it but has not found

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it in her possessions as they've what as he's passed

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ten years ago, and they used to have a video store,

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so I can imagine my eight millimeter video tape that

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was in a VHS tape conversion box whatever that is. Yeah,

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got lost in the mix, but they still have it. Anyhow,

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Before when we recorded it, my father had let watch

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it and give his two cents on what he thought

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of what we had videotaped. Only due to the fact

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that was the first resident oak Ridge that ever confided

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in my father to tell me that he had a

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sighting of sasquatch back in the late eighties with his

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young son at the time, and it was up Salmon

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Creek in the same direction that we had found the casts.

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So watch this video. My father had loaned it to

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him to watch. He had time to make it back

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to the shop and comment on the video that he

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had saw, but he did not return the video at

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the time he came back to comment on what he

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had saw. And I think that must have been a

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week or two from that point that he had came

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in and let us know he had watched it. We

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received notice that he had passed away, and so, yeah,

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it's quite a shame. I still hope one day that

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that video resurfaces in her possessions. Maybe I can get

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it and share it with the society.

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It is one of those it's one of those man

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just unfortunate stories, and I hope it's not done and

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maybe it turns around, but it's like one of those

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curs of bigfoot stories, like.

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It sure seems that way, I must say myself, it

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sure seems that way. I'd know that I still have

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in my possessions some still images of the footprints that

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we had taken all while I was rolling the eight millimeter,

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we were still able to take some nice still shots

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with my dad's Kodak digital at the time. So anyhow, yeah,

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then there's there's.

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More real, real quick before it gets gets lost. This

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is a weird one. But you mentioned that you've heard

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stories about sasquatch feces and urine. Yes, do you mind,

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Are there any in specific you've heard or it sounded

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like you were alluding to something.

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Just no, just rather large piles and that they once

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you come across it, you'll know that you've come across

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something completely unusual just based on the smell. It smells

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like something that just does not belong. It's not uh,

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And that's exactly how I could best discribe what I

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had smelled. It just didn't belong It was like it

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was like something that belonged. It was a smell that

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belonged in the city, but it was in the middle

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of the forest, and it was it did it smell

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like a city dump? But uh, yeah, it was rather interesting.

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Okay, yeah, that's I've never heard that before, so I'm

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glad I asked that. Is that is extremely interesting?

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Yeah, yeah, there were a few other stories in the

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past that I have heard as well that as far

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as getting close to SaaS Squatch smelling something that does

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smell like a local dump. I thought that just by

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saying that it would refresh my mind as to what

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story that was. But it's not.

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Right.

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It's worth the shot.

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At the end of the day, it's it's a really

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cool memory of you being able to spend time with

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your f and I mean not just do bigfoot stuff,

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but also do some quality father and son stuff back

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in the holiest which is it's a really cool story.

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Yeah, I never Yeah, I think it's totally awesome. Some

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memories that I'll absolutely treasure forever. I hope my father

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does the same.

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I'm sure he will. Has he so he's been into

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the subjects for I would guess even further back then.

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Oh yeah, Yeah, my father is a fun one. Yeah

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he's I think he's seventy seven this year. And yeah,

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he said far more experiences in the woods than I

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could ever account. He has a lot of I think

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he's very intuitive, and so he can be really deep

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in the forest and not be bothered for a day

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or two and just be camping and enjoying himself doing

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either gold prospecting or just hiking. But every once in

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a while he has the stories and accounts like he's

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being watched and the hair literally stands up on the

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back of his neck and he'll try to walk and

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shake it off. But sometimes he feels like totally unwelcome

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and like out of place. And yeah, those are instances.

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I've had a couple of those with him. One of

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those was at Windfall Lake. Was another late nineties incident

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when he had invited me to go on a fishing

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expedition down to a very remote pond at a well

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not well known brook Trout Creek. So we were hoping

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to find some really good sized fish in this pond

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that we had hiked down into the bowl of it

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must be seven eight hundred foot in elevation drop from

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where you park your vehicle up the top. And they

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have to walk down to this down to this lake

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slash pond at the bottom of this ravine, a bit

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of a stacked trail, kind of a you have to

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tick tack back and forth. There's only no trail getting there,

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but we followed some game trails, I would say, getting

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down to the lake. But we get down there and

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we Dad hands to the where the pond is actually

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turning into a river and trickling down the ravine, and

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I'm on the opposite side of the pond, and we're

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both within eye distance, and we're casting our fly rods,

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trying to raise a fish and get a bite. And

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we had raised a couple of fish, and nobody had

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landed anything to where all the sudden must have been

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fishing five ten minutes and we heard My memory I

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hope serves me right, but I believe that we heard

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rock knocking. First. The rock knocking started clack clack clack

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like series of three clacks, and this sounded maybe one

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hundred and fifty maybe two hundred yards away, way down

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in the trees. Kind of on my dad's side of

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the on the Dad's side of the pond where the

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water was actually exiting the pond rolling downhill. Sounded like

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the knocks were coming from that downhill side. Dad and

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I both made eye contact across the pond with each other,

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and we're kind of making hand gestures, putting our hands

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by our ear, like did you hear that. We paused

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for a little while and nothing happened, so we continued

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casting our fly rods, and then we we heard tree knocking,

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and it sounded like it was getting closer, like a

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large wooden stick smack in the base of an old

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growth tree, just echoing through the forest. But again happened

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in a series of three knocks, bang, bang, bang, knock, knock, knock,

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and Dad and I were looking at each other, going,

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this is kind of crazy. There's only no reason for

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anyone to be where we're at. It's quite a long

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drive outside of town, not only a long walk down

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into this weird ravine that really there's nothing down in

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there but small fish. I mean, it's not like there's

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a gold mine down there, you know, I don't. It

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was really just kind of strange. So Dad and I

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were signaling back with each other after we hear this

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tree knocking going on, and he's got his hand by

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his ear and I've got my hand by my ear,

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and we both kind of shrug our shoulders at each other,

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and we hear a low pitched homer all wool couldn't

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even explain what it was, and we both decided, well,

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I think that that's our signal. So I signaled to

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Dad and started pointing up the hill and gesturing that

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I was going to walk in his direction and meet him.

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And he could see me with an eyeshot. So as

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we're both walking toward each other, trying to meet up

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on the edge of this pond, and we're going to

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start walking uphill and away from these noises. As we're

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walking toward each other, we're approaching each other, probably thirty

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twenty five feet thirty feet somewhere in that area. My

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Dad can clearly see me. I can clearly see him

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where I have a rock coming from a tree out

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being thrown right by the edge of my head and

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it splashes in the water down by the down in

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the pond, and we just paused. I looked at Dad,

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and then I think that that pause became fear and

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we both high tailed it up out of that Windfall

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Lake area. We were terrified, but that rock. My father

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saw it come at me and saw it hit the water.

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I didn't see it come at me. I heard it

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whiz by my ear and saw it go off in

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about a forty five degree angle in front of my

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face and hit the water and big splash. Looked behind me.

458
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Couldn't tell what the hell happened, where it came from.

459
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.160
We just we got out of there and from that

460
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:37.039
point there was no incident until we got to the truck,

461
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.559
you know, hopped in the truck and we were out.

462
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.079
So yeah, that had us going pretty good. That was

463
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:49.799
being scared out of somewhere. But yeah, it was no visual.

464
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.119
It was really I kept trying to tell myself now

465
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.720
it wasn't a rock. It was just a super super

466
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:03.440
heavy pine cone. Dad. Dad would just my dad would

467
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.200
just laugh because he was well aware that it was

468
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.160
a rock, and so was I. It's just really trying

469
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:16.079
to look for other reasons of, you know, being spooped.

470
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.920
It's kind of hard to admit that something didn't want

471
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.960
you there in the woods and you don't know what

472
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:27.279
that something was. You know, it's it's yeah interesting.

473
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.440
That's a that's a definite game changer for sure. You

474
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.200
so pretty much you're saying that the rock was about

475
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:34.759
the size of a pine.

476
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.039
Cone, then uh, I'm gonna say it was fist size.

477
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.599
It was rather large. Yeah, it was the size of

478
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:45.759
my fist. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm I'm I'm sure that

479
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.160
it was a rocket when we didn't see it float

480
00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.480
away in the water after, you know. And I think

481
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.400
pine cones when they fall from trees, I think they

482
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.200
I think they float big.

483
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.799
For society will be right back after these messages.

484
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:22.680
Yeah, I don't think that they immediately sink anyhow. But yeah,

485
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:28.279
one other small experience there was the in the same

486
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:35.279
Windfall area. This is going to be around, Oh, this

487
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:39.720
is the Packard. I get confused on the Packard Inlet

488
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.920
or the Bingham Inlet to Hills Creek Reservoir. And I

489
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:48.000
do believe Windfall is on the wind Falls on the

490
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.920
Packard side, and Coal Creek is on the Bingham side,

491
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.599
I believe. Don't quote me on it, but I will

492
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.920
say that I am confident that we were at Windfall Lake,

493
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.279
and I am confident that we were in the Coal

494
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:11.039
Creek area. When I describe my next little incident or

495
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:15.480
whatever it is you want to call it, there is

496
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.240
a rock quarry that has a gold and I can't

497
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.000
say gold vein. It has a quartz vein that we

498
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:29.319
are hoping has gold in this quartz vein. It's in

499
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:34.759
a rock quarry close to Coal Creek. Now, the rock

500
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.759
quarry can be accessed from the bottom or top side,

501
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.279
but when you access it from the bottom side, you

502
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:46.359
still have to walk uphill to get to this quartz vein.

503
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.720
And when you park at the top side of the hill,

504
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.400
you have to walk a long ways downhill to get

505
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.960
to this quartz vein on this quarry, if that makes sense.

506
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:06.799
So we decided, after I had showed my father how

507
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:11.720
to access the bottom side, we decided to plan a

508
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:14.720
trip to access the top side of this Courtz vein.

509
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.160
And we pulled out a ford a service map and

510
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:23.359
located a road that was about three quarters of a

511
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:28.279
mile from this Courtz vein. But it just a slight

512
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:33.079
downhill trek right on a ridge, a very exposed ridge.

513
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:38.640
As we started trekking from this place where we parked

514
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:43.000
on this logging road, started trekking down this ridge it

515
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:48.519
was a well traveled, well traveled animal trail on this ridge,

516
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.440
very well traveled animal trail, and no reason for really

517
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.400
anyone to hike there unless they were trying to get

518
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:58.359
to that courtz vein like we were. But again we

519
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.480
saw no human foot print and saw no big footprints

520
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.279
on this whole trip. But when we did get to

521
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:08.760
this one particular flat spot on this very visible part

522
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.880
of the ridge, we noticed a peculiar tree, one peculiar

523
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:20.079
young tree on this rocky ridge that about twelve approximately

524
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:24.119
twelve feet up in the tree where the sapling was

525
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:28.440
six to seven inches in diameter, it'd actually been twisted off,

526
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.840
cleanly twisted off, and the very tippy top of that

527
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.039
tree was laying flat on the ground right by the

528
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:40.480
base of the tree. We started poking around the area,

529
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:42.920
just looking, going what the hell could it cause us?

530
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.079
This is so unusual, And as my dad was looking

531
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:51.119
at the evergreen parts on that tree, we started noticing

532
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:55.280
that there is this perfect looking half moon bite mark

533
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.000
out of the evergreen on this branch, and it would

534
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.960
it have to be a huge creature like twice the

535
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:05.599
size of a silver backed guerrilla to be taking this

536
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.039
size of a bite out of this. We know what

537
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.800
we're seeing on this evergreen. So but the dad takes

538
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:15.440
a couple snapshots and we proceed to the quartz vein

539
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.559
and we get what we want, and I show him

540
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.679
what we want around this quartz vein, and on our

541
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.400
way out, Dad says, you know, I'm just I'm going

542
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:25.760
to take that branch home and look closer at it.

543
00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:29.480
He picks up the branch and he wraps it up

544
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.119
in a piece of nylon that he had in his backpack,

545
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.519
and we proceed up to the truck. We get to

546
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:41.440
the truck and we load up the branch and get home.

547
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:45.079
And as he gets home and unravels this branch, he

548
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:50.559
notices two or three hairs, just strange looking hairs on

549
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:53.639
this branch. So he pulls these off and puts them

550
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.159
in a vial. And since he since we've had some

551
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.639
weird Sasquatch experiences in the past, now he's become a

552
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.280
bit of a Sasquatch buff and he's got a little

553
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.079
bit of a sasquatch library, starting when it comes to

554
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:14.679
you know, documentaries and books and other educational materials. And yeah,

555
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.159
he has this one book that talks about you know,

556
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:25.880
unidentified species hair identification. You know, you can definitely identify

557
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:31.239
an unidentified species hair by the lack of a that

558
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:34.559
center core of the hair. The name's not coming to me.

559
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.199
It's called the.

560
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.840
Mint a medulla.

561
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:43.320
Medulla, yeah, missing the medulla. Yeah, anyhow, So, yeah, he

562
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.760
still has those hairs in the test tube somewhere in

563
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.960
a shop there right by his footprint casts and yeah,

564
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.320
sitting next to his seven or eight books of this

565
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:59.400
Sasquatch library. Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. So yeah, you know,

566
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:03.719
and it's really more for his own entertainment and my amusement.

567
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.079
I think to both my father and I were not

568
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:11.079
Sasquatch believers by any means. I think we're just Sasquatch knowers.

569
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.599
I think that there comes a point where you just

570
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:18.480
know that there's something out there that is unidentified, unexplained,

571
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.440
And even though you have people out there all the

572
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.039
time that claim to be hunters, they're out there with

573
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:30.119
there's different intentions in the woods. In my belief, they're

574
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.079
different intentions, and I believe that whatever is out there knows.

575
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:36.199
Your intentions absolutely, and.

576
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.239
I think that that is going to be the truth

577
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.760
or tell when it comes to the final proof of

578
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.760
Sasquatch being revealed is it's going to be somebody for

579
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.360
the right reasons and not the wrong reasons. There's something

580
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:03.480
with I don't know. I feel like Sasquatch knows more

581
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.760
about me than I know about him, just when I'm

582
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.480
walking through the woods. It's just one of those it's

583
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:14.440
kind of a weird intuitive feeling you just you just

584
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:21.360
kind of know. Yeah. So there they are my experiences.

585
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.440
So Brock, I'll tell you real quick.

586
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.840
And I've said this a few times on other shows,

587
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:32.119
but especially around Oakridge, I did experience that being in

588
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:38.159
a certain area multiple times, same area with different groups

589
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:42.800
of people, I did notice that certain groups of people

590
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.000
there would be things that would happen, and these people

591
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:50.400
did have completely different intentions.

592
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:50.079
It was.

593
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:53.519
It was very interesting. I think there's something too that

594
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.800
it matters what intention you have when you go out

595
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:03.639
and if you're in it too, you know, how you

596
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.199
care really, or if you're in it just for money

597
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.760
or you know different things.

598
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:12.559
You know, right, I feel like it's kind of weird

599
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.320
to say, but I feel like Sasquatch knows if your

600
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.760
heart is pure or not, and he'll only mess with

601
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.559
you and let you know he's there is if your

602
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.280
heart's pure and he knows that you're not out there

603
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.320
to want to hurt him or mess with him. But

604
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:32.800
I think he'll let you know. And you've crossed certain

605
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.079
thresholds of boundaries in the forest and you're treading where

606
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:37.920
you shouldn't be treading. I feel like if we would

607
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:39.840
have had a gun in our hand, we would have

608
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.760
never had any of those experiences. Although my father packed

609
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.639
a pistol when we initially found those first footprints, you know,

610
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:51.360
that was his intention was to He didn't even want

611
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.119
to pull it out, you know, put it down next

612
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:58.679
to the footprint, in fears that, you know, those intentions

613
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.519
might be misunder stood in the forest. And I believe

614
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:06.239
it's that understanding and that care for understanding of what

615
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:11.840
that creature is. It will eventually lead to it being discovered.

616
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:13.320
I really hope.

617
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.000
So you mentioned that your father has the three around

618
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:18.559
three hairs in the violet.

619
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:19.599
How long ago was that?

620
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:25.000
Again, this must have been two thousand and three, around

621
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.800
two thousand and three is only found though I'm sure

622
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:31.199
they're still there, sure still there.

623
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.639
I can provide you info about this later. But there

624
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:40.400
is actually a guy with North Carolina State who it's

625
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.679
pretty much a free DNA test and he pretty much

626
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:47.960
anyone can send in whatever they found and it won't

627
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.599
cost you anything and they'll they'll check it from DNA

628
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.119
and stuff.

629
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.320
Oh that'd be awesome. Yeah.

630
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:54.280
Yeah.

631
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:57.599
Its name is Darby or Cut and I'll make sure

632
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.559
you get the link for that so you can check

633
00:40:59.559 --> 00:40:59.920
that out.

634
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:01.639
Thank you, Jeremia.

635
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.360
I appreciate that absolutely. I remember you also had been

636
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.599
talking about some things to do with the Summitt Lake

637
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:10.119
as well.

638
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:14.360
Oh yeah, yeah, so I as I worked here in

639
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:19.440
town as a fuel attendant for quite some time, there

640
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:29.239
was more than one occasion. I had one particular Indian

641
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:34.679
that was a Klamath Indian. He was rather obnoxious and

642
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:38.079
come through the gas station and he was talking about

643
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.679
a fishing experience that he was going to have up

644
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.920
at summ At Lake on the weekend. And he had

645
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.800
seen my vehicle with a sasquatch sticker in the window

646
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.480
and he had made a funny comment on it, and

647
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.320
I asked him, I said, well, have you had any

648
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.920
experiences with the big guy in the woods. And he

649
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.440
proceeded to tell me a story of about a family

650
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.719
of sasquatch him and a group of his buddies. We're

651
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.719
trying to rile up and have some communication and hollering

652
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:11.920
matches with up around Summit Lake, where he had mentioned

653
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:20.360
several times that sasquatch was definitely the hide and seek

654
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:25.840
champion and was awesome at scaring his friends. And I

655
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.760
don't know, he was pretty obnoxious about it, but a

656
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:34.000
very a very serious believer, or no doubt. There was

657
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:38.880
more than one occasion that I've heard others speak of

658
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:43.719
their experiences around sum At Lake as well. Having a

659
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:47.559
hard time recalling the clarity of one of those stories

660
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.119
right at the time, but yeah, yeah, Summitt Lake is

661
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:58.159
another hot spot known for having some Sasquatch activity. I

662
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.960
was thinking that the Summit Lake area. I had a

663
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.519
sister come up and visit in two thousand and five,

664
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.559
and my father wanted to go show her some at

665
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:12.840
lake and asked if I'd like to go for the ride,

666
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.840
And that's sure. So we hop in and it must

667
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:19.000
be fall down here at an elevation of about one

668
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:23.000
thousand feet as we leave Oak Ridge a thousand feet

669
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.320
we proceed up to Summit Lake around forty five hundred

670
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:30.920
feet and there's patches of snow on the road and

671
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.199
actually a few snow drifts on the side of the road.

672
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.840
And we're just approaching Summit Lake and there's a little

673
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:39.239
little ponds off to the side of the road as

674
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:41.760
you're getting closer to the larger lake, and one of

675
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:46.119
these ponds is called Alpine Lake. When we proceed around

676
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:48.599
one of these dirt road corners and there's a large

677
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:55.199
snow bank that had very visible, highly visible, clearly defined

678
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.480
toes and heel. There were three footprints in the snow

679
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:04.320
going into the lake and disappearing into the into the lake,

680
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.079
all separated by a six nap fleote stride. Each one

681
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:11.079
of these prints appeared to be nineteen twenty inches big.

682
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.559
It was. It was pretty impressive that my sister come

683
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:18.719
up from California and we're Dad and I are talking

684
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:21.480
to her about the possibility of sasquatch in the woods.

685
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.440
That we come around the corner and my sister's all,

686
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:27.440
what is that. My dad says, Oh, let's get out

687
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.159
and check it out, and yeah, it was. That was

688
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.360
quite a rememberable experience, so I'll never forget. So, yeah,

689
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.320
we snapped a couple photos of that and on we went.

690
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.639
But boy, her mind is open up now. Every time

691
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.880
she comes up today, she's can we take a drive

692
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:45.760
in the forest to go look for sasquatch prints.

693
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:48.960
That's awesome. I was going to ask if she's into

694
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:49.440
it now.

695
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.400
Yeah, Oh, she loves it. Every gift that my father

696
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:58.000
gets now for Birthday or Christmas all sasquatch something. You know,

697
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.480
he's he's got sasquat watch. Everything in the house now

698
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:08.239
pretty much hand towels and toilet paper, dis soap. Yeah,

699
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:10.800
that's the running thing is, Oh, yeah, you want to

700
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:15.480
talk sasquatch, come come to our house. Dad. Dad likes

701
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.519
the tension a little bit, but it's it's pretty cool

702
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.519
to be able to relate with him on that being

703
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:26.239
father and son and all, and then get my sister involved. Father,

704
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:29.239
son and sister. I'll see that and believe the same.

705
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:29.920
It's pretty cool.

706
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.320
It's a way to bring the family together too. Something

707
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.960
I noticed myself and going out to Oregon was the

708
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:41.039
first time that I've really really gotten into the super

709
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.000
thick of it. I've done it stuff in Iowa before,

710
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.760
but Oregon was just a little bit different. And I

711
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:51.599
noticed that when you have like some pretty intense encounters,

712
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:55.880
it really grabs a hold of you and you're like, man,

713
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.599
it would be really cool to go back there. You know,

714
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.360
it's just and it gets Yeah, it's it's interesting.

715
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:05.360
It does. I think it gets in your bones. It is.

716
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:09.000
It's infectious. It is infectious. I don't know it. It

717
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.760
makes me, uh, have hope that magic is abound. There's

718
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:16.800
so many things about this old world that we don't

719
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.599
understand and know that Sasquatch is just one little part

720
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:20.920
of it.

721
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.960
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.

722
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.519
And you know, may we have more, more, more of

723
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.559
these type of things in life to experience. That just

724
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:52.039
make you scratch your head at the wonder of what

725
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.840
an awesome, awesome gift life is being part of this

726
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.880
planet of so much mystery and intrigue. It's pretty cool.

727
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.880
It does give you, It gives you hope in a

728
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:07.039
way if this one weird thing can be can be realed,

729
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.840
and who knows what else could be real too, you know.

730
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.480
Yeah, very mind opening, Yeah, it can be very mind opening.

731
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.800
So yeah, yeah, thanks for sharing that as well.

732
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:21.960
Absolutely, I had I got a few random questions for you.

733
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.519
I'm just going to throw throw them out and see

734
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:25.960
if anything comes out.

735
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:26.199
Of it.

736
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.039
Listening to what your stories have been so far, it

737
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:32.639
sounds like, as of yet you have not been able

738
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.559
to have a visual correct.

739
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.639
Correct no visuals okay, cool.

740
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:39.639
Just wanted to double check on that.

741
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:43.079
There was a I can't remember if I asked you

742
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.400
this at the booth or not, but there's there was

743
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.719
a place that kept coming up with different people that

744
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.239
I would talk to. Have you ever heard of anything

745
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:56.920
weird happening about around the Spirit Lake area over by Waldo?

746
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.519
You know, I've heard of it through the years, but

747
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:03.760
none of the stories stuck and nothing came through being

748
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:08.920
really clear. You know, I've I think the best of

749
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:14.199
my recollection is that an all high school buddy of mine, Eric,

750
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:19.360
him and his father used to his father used to

751
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:23.039
run boy scouts up to Scout Lake and he had

752
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:28.199
experiences with a boy scout trip back in the early

753
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.760
eighties of being screamed at, and that's when that was

754
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:34.559
one of the last times they had ever taken the

755
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:39.480
boy scouts to that lake. But yeah, they they'd been

756
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:44.079
screamed at. That's the all I'd have to ask Eric again,

757
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:50.400
he's another local here in town, but yeah, his he

758
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.280
went to high school the same year I did, and

759
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.880
his father passed while he was in high school. But

760
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.559
his father when they were when he was in grade school,

761
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:02.280
ran a boy scout tribe here in Oak Ridge and

762
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.960
would take them up to Scout Lake and camp up

763
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.519
there and have their little rendezvous there. I could reach

764
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.840
out to him sometime and try to get clarification on that.

765
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.679
But yeah, I'm gonna I have to write that down

766
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:18.920
myself because that you're making me recall more than I

767
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.000
thought i'd be able to.

768
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.159
Yeah, is that the same area as Spirit Lake?

769
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:23.360
Then?

770
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:30.039
Spirit Lake is up the nineteen road like after Heidi

771
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:38.519
Scenic Byway, and Summit Lake is more on the backside

772
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:42.840
of Diamond Peak, right, Like, yeah, yeah, it's a little

773
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:48.400
bit different area. But yeah, up the nineteenth Spirit Lake

774
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.639
I believe burned this year and the fire up.

775
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:53.400
There, Oh really, oh wow, yeah.

776
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.519
Yeah, they we just had a fire up there. What

777
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:58.079
was the name of that fire? Oh the chalk fire.

778
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:01.280
The chalk fire up the i Keene actually burned a

779
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.400
even around mile post ten on that after Heidi Scenic

780
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:12.719
Byway house one of my favorite swim holes. But anyhow, yeah, yes,

781
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.360
I will reach out to Eric and try to get

782
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:21.760
more clarification on the Spirit Lake story on his father.

783
00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:22.480
Cool, thank you.

784
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.800
It's just it's a weird it's a weird area. I've

785
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.320
had more than a few people tell me they've been

786
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.000
run out of Spirit Lake. We'd buy sasquatch that had

787
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.440
dreadlocks and the sticks.

788
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:35.119
The sticks float.

789
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.719
Every night in the the lake and they like go

790
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:41.880
in a circle and float around every night, and it's

791
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:43.320
just really interesting stuff.

792
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:45.519
Yeah.

793
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.079
Right, So it's something I'm keeping a keeping an eye on.

794
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:51.559
I like to throw it out in episodes just in

795
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:55.880
case someone new is listening. You can contact me or

796
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:56.920
put a comment on it.

797
00:50:57.880 --> 00:50:59.960
Sure, Sure, I'm going to reach out.

798
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:03.760
To Spending so much time in Oakridge, have you heard

799
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:09.000
of any other interactions with Bigfoot or any encounters that

800
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:13.000
made you take notice or anything interesting over the years.

801
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:18.639
Yeah, well, you know, just like Dwayne, Dwayne's experience there,

802
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:22.480
the whole bit. I know, his buddy Ronnie up there

803
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:26.719
habituating him with the guitar and all that stuff. Now, yeah,

804
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.000
he's the only guy that I know that's really messing

805
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:35.119
with him, and he's so he's so about it, he's

806
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.719
so about it. It's not it's not even funny. I

807
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:42.719
don't doubt him one iota. He's been a straight shooter

808
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:47.119
with me ever since I've met him over fifteen years ago.

809
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.840
That yeah, don't I don't question it much. That's why

810
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.239
we vibe so well. If we're talking Sasquatch boy, he

811
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:57.679
lights up like you you know, just had the case

812
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:58.880
of red Bull, you.

813
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:04.639
Know, oh yeah, oh my god. I mean I was there.

814
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.679
I was with him when he started playing his guitar

815
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:10.800
in the area, and like, yeah, it does get them

816
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:14.440
to respond. Like we heard vocalizations in the middle of

817
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:15.079
two songs.

818
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:18.159
It was wild. So yeah, Ronnie's.

819
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:19.960
Legit to go up there with him. I've got to

820
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.519
find a day off work and say, come on, let's

821
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.679
go get Ronnie. Let's go mess with Sasquad. You get

822
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:26.639
this on tape.

823
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:28.440
There you go.

824
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.800
We've talked about Bigfoot. Have you ever experienced anything else

825
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.000
strange around the woods and outskirts of Oakridge?

826
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.920
Yeah? Yeah, you know, just last year, my wife and

827
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:44.719
I we had a sighting or something. You know, my

828
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:49.599
entire life, I've seen UFOs like I don't know, probably

829
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.800
five six times in my life I've seen UFOs. So

830
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:55.719
I've always been a bit of a UFO guy. If

831
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:59.960
a UFO show comes on TV, I'm watching it. I'm

832
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:03.880
totally compelled. Nothing else is on TV but the UFO show.

833
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:06.119
I got to see the latest, greatest, what's new in

834
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:09.119
the world of UFOs only because I'm so compelled that

835
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.280
I've seen some stuff in the sky I can't explain,

836
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.920
but last year was epic. My wife and I were

837
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:19.119
on the front porch and I was just thinking to myself,

838
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.760
it would be so awesome if my wife and I

839
00:53:21.800 --> 00:53:26.199
could actually see something that we did not understand together

840
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.480
and like look at each other like what was that?

841
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.440
And about five minutes after having this thought through crossed

842
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:36.440
through my head, we're standing out on our front porch

843
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:40.719
looking up in the sky when we see a total UFO,

844
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.440
a flying what I would call a flying lava machine

845
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.159
that was completely silent and left a tiny tail as

846
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:56.239
it swooped super low and then rolled like right over

847
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.360
the mountains at a very low altitude, but went faster

848
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:03.119
than any airplane on a very calm night, almost like

849
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:07.679
it is now. Yeah, but we both saw it and

850
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.480
could clearly explain it. We both had our eyes locked

851
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:14.800
on it for four to five seconds within our full

852
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:19.719
range of sight, and We're like, what are we looking at?

853
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:25.639
And it was close, like I have a ridge sitting

854
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.039
here in town that I'm looking at a ridge right

855
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:33.639
across the way with the rolling mountains, And if I

856
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:38.119
was to throw a ball or throw a rock, it's

857
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:42.239
less than three quarters of a mile from me. This

858
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:47.800
object flew lower in the air space. It flew between

859
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:52.039
my house in the mountain and then proceeded up and

860
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:56.440
over the mountain and shot off to the west in

861
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:01.000
full view. And this little flying lava mae. When wife

862
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.400
and I locked eyes on it, it looked like a

863
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:08.000
flying lava lamp and you could actually see the orange

864
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:12.960
like floaty lava swimming inside inside of this thing. But

865
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.920
this thing had wings on it too, like two little

866
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:21.760
tiny white, bulbous wings on each side. Is just the

867
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.960
strangest thing that either one of us have ever saw,

868
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:26.719
and we just look at each other. My wife can

869
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.480
still look at me and go, yeah, yeah, we straight

870
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:37.840
up saw UFO, totally unidentified in Yeah, it's so amazing

871
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:41.360
that we had such clear sight of it, and it

872
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.599
was so vivid, just still jaw dropping to this day

873
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:50.519
that one had me after I saw it, really questioning

874
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:52.760
reality for a couple of days are we going to

875
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.199
see another one of these or the like more of

876
00:55:55.239 --> 00:56:01.920
them coming? But whatever it was, it's completely silent and fast,

877
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:05.920
and yeah, I can't explain the lava thing. That was weird.

878
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:11.079
Just a bulbous disc with wings, but the bulbous disc

879
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:17.239
on the inside was just lava, so nuts. It was bright,

880
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:24.239
bright orange like glowing from within putting out light, but

881
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.360
yet you could see the lava like crap floating around

882
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:29.039
inside of it. It was nuts.

883
00:56:29.320 --> 00:56:31.719
I had that that that makes no sense. I mean,

884
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:34.920
I'm not a UFO guy, but like, that is just incredible.

885
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.159
Like I've never even seen one, Like I think I've

886
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:41.320
seen one on a documentary and I keep looking for

887
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:44.079
that documentary to see where it was that they saw

888
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:44.519
that one.

889
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:49.360
But yeah, what was the year abouts on that again?

890
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:50.119
Oh?

891
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:54.239
This was was that last year? The year before last year?

892
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:59.559
So then yeah, okay, Brock, I'm just I'm just glad

893
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:03.119
we were able to chat again and get a lot

894
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:07.199
of this stuff documented, and just thank you for coming

895
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.760
on the show. It's been a privilege and a pleasure

896
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:13.000
to talk to you again. Thank you so much, Brock.

897
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.480
Hey, Jeremiah, thank you so much for calling me. It's

898
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:21.519
been funding to discuss and yeah, I'm glad finally some

899
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.480
of this is out. There's a little off of my chest.

900
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:27.559
I've always kind of debated over the past year whether

901
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:30.760
I should ever share any of this info with anybody,

902
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:33.559
and I had talks with my dad and he's all, no, man,

903
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.360
if anybody asks you, feel free to share away. He said, Okay,

904
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.880
we'll do Dad. Thanks. So yeah, I'm glad. Hopefully you

905
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:43.119
put it to good use and somebody can find some

906
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:43.800
value on it.

907
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:45.960
All right, big for society. You've got the privilege of

908
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:50.159
talking to Deb Frediani today. She is from the great

909
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:54.000
state of Idaho. She's a listener out there. She's also

910
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:58.119
been referenced in the book Face to Face by Tom Cantrell.

911
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:01.119
If you're familiar with that BOOKOK, which is a very

912
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.000
fun read. But Deb, how are you doing today? I'm

913
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:07.239
doing great, Thank you fantastic.

914
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:08.159
You know.

915
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:11.079
I reached out to you and I was like, well,

916
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.199
this is kind of a long shot. Let's see if

917
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:16.679
she responds. And I'm glad that you did, and I

918
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:19.280
would love it if you would be able to share,

919
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.559
you know, what you've experienced out there over over the

920
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:23.960
years in Idaho.

921
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:29.679
Okay, well we'll start. I grew up in the best

922
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:33.440
Central Mountains in a rural area and you know, a

923
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:39.079
logging community here in Idaho, a small town less than

924
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:45.199
two thousand people, four generations born and raised in that area.

925
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:52.599
And as a child growing up, my grandpa would always

926
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.480
make I don't know, statements like don't go into the

927
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.840
tree line, don't go into the wood, stay here by

928
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:06.280
the house because there's a wild man out there. And

929
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:08.800
we just thought he was kind of pulling our leg.

930
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:12.960
You know, we really would lap it off, and you know,

931
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:20.280
as kids, you didn't take it serious. But I would

932
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:26.360
say probably in seventy two is when we started hearing,

933
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.960
you know, the strange noises coming out of the trees,

934
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:36.199
the woods which were you know, backed up to my

935
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:42.480
grandfather's farm. The horses would get spooked and they would

936
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.840
run and jump the fence and we'd have to chase

937
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:50.519
them all down, and you know, we really didn't know

938
00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.800
what it was. Grandpa would say it was probably just

939
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.119
a cougar, because we did have a cougar that what

940
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:00.519
frequent the area every now and then. But this sounds

941
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:08.559
were just increasing. It seemed like getting closer to our home. Well,

942
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.920
in nineteen seventy four. Let's see, I was ten years

943
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:20.000
old riding my bike and every weekend, it was a Saturday,

944
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:24.360
we would my cousin and I who was younger than me,

945
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:28.039
get on our bikes and you know, take allowance money

946
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.480
we burned over the week and go to town, which

947
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:37.119
was probably about two to three mile bike ride, which

948
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.599
was easy, you know, when we're young. We'd go to

949
01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:45.119
the local little market on the edge of town and

950
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:51.039
get you know, some kind of ice cream retreats, and

951
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:56.400
we rode our bikes a lot in that area. So

952
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.719
we were headed back. It was I would say August

953
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.880
second of seventy four. We were headed back from one

954
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:11.880
of our outings in town and we heard it was

955
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:13.119
like two o'clock.

956
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:16.159
In the afternoon, Big for Society will be right back

957
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:17.280
after these messages.

958
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:37.039
It was hot out, I remember that, and we were

959
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:40.960
very familiar with all the wildlife you know, in the area.

960
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:47.639
So we you know, just riding our bikes along and

961
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:50.000
all of a sudden, my hair this high pitched whistle

962
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:54.320
which resembled like an elk called, you know, a bugle,

963
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:59.440
which we were familiar with, you know, like I see,

964
01:01:59.679 --> 01:02:03.800
and we kept riding our bikes, and then it happened

965
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.039
like two more times, and we pulled off the side

966
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:10.119
of the road to see if we could get a

967
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:13.159
visual on this elk, you know, that we were hearing.

968
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:17.599
So it just struck as odd because during the heat

969
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:19.920
of the day, like they like to sit in the

970
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.320
brush and where it's cooler. Then they'll come out later

971
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:28.079
when it cools off. So I thought that was really odd.

972
01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:31.159
I would an elk be out this time of day,

973
01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:36.039
you know, in one area and remain there for that

974
01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:39.800
time period. So, like I said, we got off our

975
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:42.760
bikes and we're looking around trying to get a visual

976
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:47.000
on this elk that we were hearing. And then along

977
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:51.679
the tree line, this meadow that we were riding through,

978
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:58.280
you could see this tall, very bulky figure standing at

979
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:03.679
the edge of the tree line as it walked. It

980
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:12.079
walked slightly, leaning forward with a conical shaped head, and

981
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.400
like I said, it was black, very black, and bulky,

982
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:19.760
and I couldn't figure out, you know, that's a bear.

983
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:23.960
They don't walk that far on their hind legs. I

984
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:28.280
was trying to go through my mind of what I

985
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:32.880
could figure out this was that we were seeing, and

986
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:37.639
nothing was adding up it just seemed so odd. So

987
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:44.519
it stopped by the pine trees, and I just remember

988
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:50.599
it standing and watching us for the longest time. And

989
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:54.199
by then my cousin saw it and she was gone. Well,

990
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.599
she was younger than me. She took up on her

991
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:01.679
bike for home. But I was curious, you know, I've

992
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.400
always been curious about things. I need to find answers,

993
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:12.280
you know, about things. I wasn't scared, and so I

994
01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:14.880
hopped on my bike and I rode a little closer,

995
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:21.599
and it was still there, so and it was just watching,

996
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:26.239
which made me a little uncomfortable. And I could hear

997
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:30.519
in the back there was apparently more than one I

998
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:36.639
from what I understand, in the brush, you know, behind it.

999
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:41.320
I could hear movement, you know, trees crashing and you know,

1000
01:04:41.880 --> 01:04:49.920
something big moving around. So I'm it, let's see. It

1001
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:56.400
stopped and then it turned to its left and walked

1002
01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:00.719
back into the tree line, pushing away the tree branches

1003
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:04.800
away from its space as it walked into the trees.

1004
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:07.880
And that's when I knew for sure, that is not

1005
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:12.599
a bear. What the heck was this, you know? And

1006
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:17.119
that kind of started my journey in to bigfoot Land.

1007
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:23.239
I've done a lot of research from the time I

1008
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:26.679
saw it to you know, over the years. I went

1009
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:29.440
into the medical field. Of course when I got older,

1010
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:34.960
that was my job. But I've always had the bigfoot mentality,

1011
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.440
you know, the passion for answers and I want to

1012
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:43.159
learn more. So when I retired from the healthcare field,

1013
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:48.320
I got back into this, you know, doing my own thing.

1014
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:55.480
There's no fancy equipment, no in a big team or anything,

1015
01:05:55.800 --> 01:06:01.280
you know. I prefer to approach the subject in a

1016
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:07.079
non threatening manner because I found that, despite all my

1017
01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:12.679
years of hiking the mountains of Idaho, you'll never find them,

1018
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:16.840
you know, you'll run yourself to death. Just sit somewhere

1019
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:21.280
and let them come to you. So that's kind of

1020
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:25.920
how I do my research now, is just set up

1021
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:32.519
a little cozy environment, you know, with non threatening music

1022
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:38.000
and that things that capture their curiosity. They're very curious

1023
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:44.679
and so yeah, I don't team up with anybody, really.

1024
01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:49.280
My husband goes with me once in a while that

1025
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:53.800
I still follow up on reports in that area and

1026
01:06:55.960 --> 01:07:01.039
all through Whdaho actually, so yeah, that's kind of what

1027
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:06.119
started my journey. I've had other experiences, you know, over

1028
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:10.760
the years, but after I left, you know, and moved

1029
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:15.039
to Phoenix, and then you know, I kind of got

1030
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:17.840
out of it. You know, I was trying to get

1031
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.320
my degree, and you know, I was a single mall

1032
01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:25.679
so I was too busy really for Bigfoot at that time.

1033
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:31.760
So anyway, it's extremely interesting. Dev Do you mind if

1034
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:35.079
I ask us some questions about the first part of

1035
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:39.000
your life there? Do you mind sharing what logging community

1036
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:41.440
that was that you grew up in in that area

1037
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:44.239
where you had that encounters.

1038
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:47.719
In the West. Oh, it's in the West Central Mountains.

1039
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:54.760
It was a rural area now a tourist destination. McAll Idaho, Okay.

1040
01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:59.000
There's a lake in the heart of the town and

1041
01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.760
there are a lot of reports. That's where I had

1042
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:05.199
most of my experiences.

1043
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:08.360
What medical field were you in? I know you're retired

1044
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:09.239
from it now.

1045
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:16.800
Correct, ems MT and nursing. I did that thirty six.

1046
01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:19.640
Yeares in that Idaho area.

1047
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:25.800
Yeah, okay, I did some clinical time down in Phoenix

1048
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:29.199
while I was there, which was in a whole nother adventure.

1049
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.479
So thinking back to the time in nineteen seventy four,

1050
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:39.680
y around ten years old, it sounds like at a

1051
01:08:39.720 --> 01:08:43.319
certain point there was something that you saw that made

1052
01:08:43.399 --> 01:08:47.159
you think, Okay, this is definitely not a bear, it's

1053
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:49.520
definitely a big foot. Were there details that you saw,

1054
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:53.000
like in the face or anything like that that really

1055
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:56.600
told you, Okay, this is what I think it is.

1056
01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:02.880
I think it was, or the way it moved it locked,

1057
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:08.159
you know, slightly hunched forward to shape up the head.

1058
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:14.520
Long arms and big and bulky, and bears just don't

1059
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.600
work on their hind legs for that distance, you know.

1060
01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:22.199
And what really blew my mind was when it pushed

1061
01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:25.560
the pine tree boughs out of it way, so walked

1062
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:27.039
back into the tree line.

1063
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:30.479
Was there a time when when you were able to

1064
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:35.840
see the front or side view of the face or

1065
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.359
was that a thing where it was kind of sheltered

1066
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.840
by the pine boughs that it was pushing aside.

1067
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:46.520
Yeah, it was kind of in the shadow of a tree,

1068
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:52.000
you know, this afternoon, and the pine tree boughs were

1069
01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:56.039
kind of hanging over its head, you know, so I

1070
01:09:56.079 --> 01:10:01.279
couldn't get the detail of the face, but the body

1071
01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:02.840
was huge. I mean.

1072
01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:12.800
So you've had many years in the ems EMT nursing field,

1073
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:16.920
so you learned a lot about human anatomy and the

1074
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:22.079
human body. After you got all that knowledge. Did you

1075
01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:26.039
ever think back to what you saw that day and think, oh, wow,

1076
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:29.159
what I saw there is totally different or isn't that

1077
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:33.359
interesting what I saw that day going off of what

1078
01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:34.680
I know about the human body?

1079
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:34.920
Now?

1080
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:41.880
Oh yes, And I've done extensive research into crimates, you know,

1081
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:48.640
their anatomy, physiology, and behaviors like the you know, the

1082
01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:55.680
sober back corollas. There. There's quite a lot of similarity there.

1083
01:10:57.960 --> 01:10:59.720
Can you would you be able to share any of

1084
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:04.600
those interesting observations you had due to your background?

1085
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:08.800
They do, I believe live in families. I've never seen

1086
01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:13.439
them together, but reports that I have followed up on,

1087
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:17.960
you know, there's been more than one sometime with a

1088
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:26.079
smaller female and maybe a young one and like they're

1089
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:31.720
chest beating. I had experienced that once in all my

1090
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:38.000
years of researching a subject had it happened once, and

1091
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:41.680
it was in the dark and scared the daylights out

1092
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:45.119
of me and my family I was with they. You know,

1093
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:50.600
they're very intelligent creatures, and so are the bigfoot people.

1094
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:55.399
I think of them more as people, I guess, than

1095
01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:56.560
an animal.

1096
01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:03.079
So you were out in the woods with your family

1097
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:07.600
and you experienced what you say, is a big foot

1098
01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:09.319
beating his chest at you in the dark.

1099
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:13.600
That's the only way I can describe it. We had

1100
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.359
gone hunting for the day. We were a deer hunting

1101
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:22.960
and we got a deer, and so we were walking

1102
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:27.800
back down the logging road to the pickups, and you know,

1103
01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:32.720
we had our deer attached to is and we clinged it,

1104
01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:39.000
you know, out in the field, and already flashlights were

1105
01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:42.000
all we had. And it got dark before we got

1106
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:49.239
back to our pickups, and it just everything happened so fast,

1107
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:54.399
it was so strange. We heard, what's a stampede coming

1108
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:58.239
down off of the hill, you know, along the road

1109
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:03.640
we were walking on, and there must have been I

1110
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:07.720
don't know, maybe twenty elk on a full dead run,

1111
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:13.079
and this horrible shriek come out of the dark. You know,

1112
01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:16.239
I didn't know where to put my flashlight. That happened

1113
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:23.600
so fast, but we heard this horrible shrieking howl and

1114
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:27.880
a chest beating. It's the only thing I can say.

1115
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.640
And I know it wasn't a pheasant or a bird,

1116
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:34.119
you know, because sometimes they'll do that, But this I

1117
01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:39.720
could feel it in my chest, the reverberation of the

1118
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:47.640
growl or howl and the chest beating, and I was dumbfounded.

1119
01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:50.520
You know, we were almost run over by a heart

1120
01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:53.560
of belk. Over the years, I've gone over that in

1121
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:58.520
my mind. Was that sound And I did hear the

1122
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:02.479
sound of what you know on a show. I was

1123
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:06.960
watching a documentary and that's exactly what it ended like.

1124
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:12.039
And I don't I don't know why anyway, that's what

1125
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:16.560
I heard. The big scream. It just takes the air

1126
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:20.119
out of you. It just because you could feel the

1127
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:21.920
reverberation in your body.

1128
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:24.960
That's incredible. Was that in Idaho as well?

1129
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:26.640
Yes?

1130
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.319
And how old were you at that time?

1131
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:34.680
At that time, I was twenty four after my first sight.

1132
01:14:34.760 --> 01:14:38.399
And then over the years we had you know, where

1133
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:42.800
they'd come close to my grandparents' farm and you know,

1134
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:47.359
we'd find tracks occasionally and the horses would be spooked.

1135
01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:52.239
One night, it was so close to the house that

1136
01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:55.960
Grandpa went out on the porch with the shot again.

1137
01:14:56.600 --> 01:14:58.960
And it's the only time I ever saw my grandpa

1138
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:03.600
frightened vent anything. He was a logger and his hands

1139
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:06.119
were shaken and he told him that again on the

1140
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:11.079
porch and in watching for it to come out of

1141
01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:15.960
the woods. It was making a lot of noise, and

1142
01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:20.920
he was trying to be prepared. You know. That's when

1143
01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:26.600
I think I really realized that he's not pulling our leg.

1144
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:29.720
You know, we've got to stay out of the woods

1145
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:34.199
over there because we don't know what it is. But

1146
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:38.159
my grandpa was frightened that one time. I'll never forget that.

1147
01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.560
It's definitely it's something else.

1148
01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:45.760
When you see the adults in your life when you're

1149
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:50.119
that young, have a fear in their eyes or they

1150
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:52.560
don't know what's going on, that is a really life

1151
01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:57.840
changing experience. Do you ever remember hearing stories from any

1152
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.720
neighbors growing up in that area of things they would

1153
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:05.119
experience that were strange and potentially Bigfoot related. Big for

1154
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:08.199
society will be right back after these messages.

1155
01:16:25.640 --> 01:16:32.439
Only after my sighting, then the neighbors started to open up,

1156
01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:37.960
you know, about their experiences, and I thought, wow, so

1157
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:42.359
I had contacted through a book I read in the

1158
01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:49.920
library after my experience. You first went was Russell keb

1159
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:55.399
Hart and Lewiston, and I told him about everything that

1160
01:16:55.560 --> 01:17:00.319
was going on while he and another investigator came to

1161
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:07.199
my hometown and interviewed everyone about their experiences in mine too.

1162
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:11.079
That's amazing.

1163
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.720
So they came to your area just because of you

1164
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:18.600
reaching out at around yes, just a little bit after

1165
01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:22.039
age ten. Did they publish any of those sightings in

1166
01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:23.880
a book or did anything come about?

1167
01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:28.279
Not that I know, not that I know. No, I

1168
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:36.199
don't know. And unfortunately he's passed away. But we wrote letters.

1169
01:17:36.279 --> 01:17:40.479
I received letters from Renee to Hindon over the years,

1170
01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:45.520
so we were pen pals for a while too. But

1171
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:48.359
I would always send them update you know when I

1172
01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:50.119
heard other reports.

1173
01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:54.399
Well, what was that correspondence between you and Renee? Was

1174
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:57.159
he curious about what kind of things were happening in

1175
01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:58.079
the area.

1176
01:17:58.039 --> 01:18:05.720
Or yes, what kind of activity were it was located?

1177
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:11.119
You know, anything that was unusual, you know, not common.

1178
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:16.920
Very interesting. That's that's man. You you really did get

1179
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:20.960
right into it and I did. Yeah, that's awesome.

1180
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.760
The day after, I rode my bike to Tan to

1181
01:18:23.880 --> 01:18:26.199
the library and I'm like, I don't know what I'm

1182
01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:31.000
looking for, but I'm just going to start reading. And

1183
01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:33.319
that's how it all started for me.

1184
01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:39.640
How did you get Renee's information? Was that just from

1185
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:40.159
a book?

1186
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:46.840
Or Russell Gabhart actually the investigator from Lewis, and said,

1187
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:49.800
how a friend did I think you should send your

1188
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:53.079
information to So I wrote him a letter and he

1189
01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:54.279
wrote me one back.

1190
01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:00.000
That's really cool. So over the years then you met

1191
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.840
that you were following up on different reports. Were these

1192
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:06.319
just people that had come to you because they probably

1193
01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:08.359
heard that you're the person in the area that was

1194
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:09.479
interested in bigfoot?

1195
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:11.079
Oh?

1196
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:16.119
Yes, yeah, I mean I wasn't ashamed to let the

1197
01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:20.880
locals know that I've had this experience, and I put

1198
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:23.760
it out there that if anybody else has, you know,

1199
01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:27.800
to contact me, you know, they would. It would be confidential,

1200
01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:32.520
because Lord knows, people are going to judge you, tell

1201
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:36.479
you you're crazy. That is true.

1202
01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:37.960
Unfortunately, I don't care.

1203
01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:42.279
It's God's honest truth everything I share.

1204
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:46.960
Did you keep a written record of what they would

1205
01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.560
convey to you or anything like that or was it

1206
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:51.479
just they would share and then you would make a

1207
01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:52.279
mental note of that.

1208
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:58.920
Oh no, I documented. It's best I could as a kid,

1209
01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:02.960
you know, And then it's kind of stopped when I

1210
01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:06.239
got into high school because I was trying to you know,

1211
01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:10.199
I was trying to figure out my career path and stuff,

1212
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:14.600
so that I was always had my ear to the

1213
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.439
ground about bigfoot stories.

1214
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:23.159
You know, that's amazing. Did you ever publish a book

1215
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:23.600
or anything?

1216
01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:30.680
I thought, No, No, I haven't. I just didn't think

1217
01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:37.279
I needed to other than what I shared with Tom.

1218
01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:43.720
You know, that's all. You know. I just have my

1219
01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:52.199
own journals and you know, my experiences. So writing a book,

1220
01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:52.760
I don't know.

1221
01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:58.119
It's a big, big thing. Yeah, definitely, but it is.

1222
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:03.760
I just I don't want to. It's not a money

1223
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:06.399
making thing for me, and I don't want to be

1224
01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:10.159
a celebrity. I just want to live my life and

1225
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:14.760
do my thing and get to know these creatures better.

1226
01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:15.439
You know.

1227
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:19.760
I'm hoping, you know, in my lifetime before I die,

1228
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:24.319
that maybe we can actually make contact with them. You know.

1229
01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:29.760
That's I know, it's a wild dream that you never know.

1230
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:34.079
They trust me. I go to the same areas in

1231
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:38.039
the McCall area, you know, where I've had experiences, and

1232
01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:42.319
I return and they know my you know, blonde hair,

1233
01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:47.159
They know my music. I play, you know, indigenous music,

1234
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:52.920
which is relaxing, and I have, you know, just different

1235
01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:57.079
things that capture their attention. I guess because they will

1236
01:21:57.159 --> 01:22:01.319
come and they will watch me. I may not see

1237
01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:05.680
them fully, but I can see their silhouettes, you know,

1238
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:10.000
in the trees and hear them. They've never threatened me.

1239
01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:15.479
So it sounds like your approach might be similar to

1240
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:19.600
Tom's itself, where you go to a certain area and

1241
01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:22.000
you kind of just sit down in a chair and

1242
01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:24.239
then just kind of chill out for a little bit.

1243
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:29.840
Yeah, like a day camp. Yeah, a long chair and

1244
01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:35.680
put on some music and just you know, come into

1245
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:40.520
their home. Because it is their home that you're going into.

1246
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:46.520
You need to be respectful of their home and love them,

1247
01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:51.119
and that draws them, of course, closer to you. They

1248
01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:55.159
come to you. I don't have to run all over

1249
01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:59.880
the mountains like they do in the Expedition Bigfoot or

1250
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:04.680
in all those other shows. I don't have fancy equipment.

1251
01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:08.119
I just want them to learn to trust me and

1252
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:10.840
that they can be at ease when I'm around.

1253
01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:14.000
If there's a person that is wanting to try something

1254
01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:17.199
like this for the first time, what are the steps

1255
01:23:17.239 --> 01:23:18.800
you would recommend that they do.

1256
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:24.600
I would say, just approach the area in a non

1257
01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:30.600
threatening matter. Do not roll in there with a truck

1258
01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:35.000
full of red necks and beer and guns, no loud music.

1259
01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:39.399
Shadn't run them off. So you just you know, drive

1260
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:43.760
in and my little car. I would dodge charger and

1261
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:50.319
just drive in there and just set my lawn chair

1262
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:56.000
up in my little portable stereo and play my music

1263
01:23:56.239 --> 01:24:00.239
and have a picnic lunch. And I mean there's been

1264
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:02.960
times I'd come, you know, at the end of my

1265
01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:06.920
day and time to come back home, and I'll find

1266
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:10.760
a little walk on the back spoiler of my charger

1267
01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:16.000
or something, you know, a twig. I think the first

1268
01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:21.760
thing I found was a leaf or something. It was

1269
01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:25.560
a leaf, and I just said it fell out the tree.

1270
01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:31.800
But then when they returned another time with a leaf,

1271
01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:34.399
they put a rock on it so it wouldn't low away.

1272
01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:38.920
I mean, there was no one else around, just me

1273
01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:43.199
and them, so it couldn't have been from a human.

1274
01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:49.800
Makes sense. When you go out, are you making a

1275
01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:53.600
focus not to have electronics around you?

1276
01:24:56.600 --> 01:25:02.640
I do sometimes, how a voice recorder, you know, I

1277
01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:06.079
can take with me, and of course my video camera,

1278
01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:08.920
you know, if I feel I want to use it.

1279
01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:12.720
But most of the time I don't know. I just

1280
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.039
I want to earn their trust and know I'm not

1281
01:25:16.119 --> 01:25:17.039
there to hurt.

1282
01:25:16.840 --> 01:25:21.600
Them, you know, absolutely. Are you ever verbally talking out

1283
01:25:21.640 --> 01:25:23.159
loud to them during this time?

1284
01:25:26.119 --> 01:25:29.720
Yes, I do. And I also see and that seems

1285
01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:36.720
to bring them in. So just live in life, you know,

1286
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:43.079
enjoying their home for a moment, and then I of

1287
01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:47.000
course clean up and make sure nothing's out of place

1288
01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:47.800
when I leave.

1289
01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:52.439
I think that's one of the most important things, is

1290
01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:55.920
to make sure that you know, you clean up nature

1291
01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:58.319
when you go there, and maybe even leave it better

1292
01:25:58.560 --> 01:26:02.600
than when you first got there, right you can, which isn't.

1293
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:03.720
Really hard to do at all.

1294
01:26:04.479 --> 01:26:07.960
No prepare ahead of time, you know, bring a few

1295
01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:09.000
garbage bags with you.

1296
01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:09.560
Now.

1297
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:13.000
I've talked to a few people from Northern Idaho, and

1298
01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:17.199
it seems like Northern Idaho has some really really interesting

1299
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:23.520
things that happen. Oh yeah, yeah, it's and I don't

1300
01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:26.279
know if it's just bigfoot either. It just feels like

1301
01:26:26.359 --> 01:26:29.359
there's some really interesting things that happen up there, but

1302
01:26:29.399 --> 01:26:34.439
definitely the bigfoot interactions that happen. There's yes, there's mimicry.

1303
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:38.680
There's I talked to one lady where they were trying

1304
01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:43.319
to get her to come into the woods by using

1305
01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:49.560
someone's voice that she knew, Like, yeah, and it's just

1306
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.600
have you ever heard anything like that before?

1307
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:59.960
I've heard the baby cry. It's it's unsettlement, I mean,

1308
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:02.520
and you know there's not a baby. Yeah, you're the

1309
01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:06.439
only one around, but when you hear that, you know,

1310
01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:11.319
you know that you're not alone pretty much, and you

1311
01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:14.000
know a lot of people can't tell the difference. You know,

1312
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:21.239
they aren't experienced, you know, haven't heard it before, and

1313
01:27:21.279 --> 01:27:28.079
it's unnerving. You know, I've never heard like the Sierra sounds,

1314
01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:33.399
you know, talking that they do or chattering.

1315
01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:36.680
So you're saying that you've heard you've actually heard that

1316
01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:39.119
baby cry out in the woods.

1317
01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:44.560
Yes, yes, me and my let's see, my sister in

1318
01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:50.039
law and brother in law and my ex husband we

1319
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:54.119
were out, they were going hunting and this was in

1320
01:27:54.159 --> 01:28:01.800
the afternoon and I don't know, just with no warning.

1321
01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:06.199
It was probably probably around three o'clock in the afternoon,

1322
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:11.399
four o'clock maybe anyways, and my sister in law and

1323
01:28:11.439 --> 01:28:15.439
I heard what sounded like a baby crying. That's the

1324
01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:19.000
first time I had heard it. I've heard it a

1325
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:27.479
couple different times, but it's definitely not a baby. I mean, yeah,

1326
01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:29.960
my sister in laws she was like, we got to

1327
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.760
go out there and look for this baby, and I said,

1328
01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:38.960
it's not there. Somebody wants us to come into the woods,

1329
01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:42.319
and then when I explained that to her, she's like,

1330
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:45.079
I don't know if I want to go in there.

1331
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:50.119
Let's just stay here. So yeah, I don't think they

1332
01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:54.199
would mean us any harm. I really don't. But being females,

1333
01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:58.840
you know, they know that we would relate to a child,

1334
01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:00.880
a baby crying.

1335
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.199
I do believe that absolutely. Deb.

1336
01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:08.279
I wanted to say thank you for spending some time

1337
01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:11.760
with me today. It's been a really interesting conversation. Did

1338
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:15.479
you have any closing thoughts or anything you might feel

1339
01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:19.800
that's important for people that are getting into bigfoot today

1340
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:22.279
to realize.

1341
01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:30.399
I just encourage people to read up on Bigfoot watch videos,

1342
01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:34.279
but make sure they're reliable sources, because you can get

1343
01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:39.960
a lot of bad information out there, you know, stuff

1344
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:47.239
I wouldn't recommend doing. Just approach the area in a

1345
01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:51.640
non threatening manner and think of it. Okay, if they

1346
01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:55.399
were to come into your home, you know, would you

1347
01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:58.479
want them to respect your home where you live and

1348
01:29:58.560 --> 01:30:02.000
you and your family. That's how you should act out

1349
01:30:02.399 --> 01:30:04.239
when you're in the woods with these people.

1350
01:30:05.600 --> 01:30:08.640
I think that makes perfect sense. And thank you so

1351
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:11.159
much for coming on today, Deb.

1352
01:30:12.239 --> 01:30:13.960
I appreciate it. It was fine.

1353
01:30:15.479 --> 01:30:18.239
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1361
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1362
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1364
01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:54.520
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1365
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1366
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1367
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1374
01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:23.039
and again thanks for listening.

1375
01:32:10.319 --> 01:32:11.279
Her and I can get on here.

1376
01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.000
We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out

1377
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:14.960
there listening.

1378
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:18.039
That's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will.

1379
01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:20.520
Give them the courage to come out. And now it

1380
01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:23.760
feels so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks.

1381
01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.159
I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

1382
01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:27.960
That's all I care about.

1383
01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:47.439
Please let people know, Please let them know.

1384
01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:50.399
If you ever see one of these things, you need

1385
01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:54.159
to tell because if you don't, be shame on you,

1386
01:32:54.159 --> 01:33:05.279
you have shame on you. F