“We were chased out of the Iowa woods by four Bigfoot”

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in the show notes in Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your

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time so far, so let's get
on with the show. Thank you for

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reaching out. I'm really interested in
this area. I always have this on

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my radar and so when you approached
me about it, I was like,

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oh, this is really interesting.
So yeah, I'd love to hear what

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happened to you guys. Yeah,
uh, you know, I got I

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gotta apologize too. I'm not I'm
not so nervous to you know, to

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speak to you in you know this
general sense of you know, possibly being

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on the podcast or whatever it may
be. But just uh you know,

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this happened from the seventeenth, so
just Thursday. So I think I don't

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know, I might have to take
a couple of beat breaths every once in

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a while just because it happened so
recently. So I'll just apologize now for

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that. So yeah, yeah,
my friend and I who has happened to

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We we get out all the time, mostly in Iowa, but sometimes in

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some surrounding states, and we go
arroway hunting, and you know, we

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look for aggets and jud's and things
like that. And I go fishing quite

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a bit. And every month the
year of the year, even in Iowa,

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you know, when it's ten degrees
out or zero degrees that I'm usually

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outside even you know, whether I'm
ice fishing or you know, sometimes you

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got to break through the ice for
the gids. But we're always out there.

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And so I've had some interesting experiences
and I've I've heard and seen tons

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of different types of wildlife. I've
also traveled all around the United States and

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I've seen, you know, pretty
much any kind of megafona you can see,

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I've heard them. So last Thursday, my friend and I had planned

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to go to central Iowa, where
we knew there was a certain deposit elithic

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shelf of certain chirt material that occurs, and it occurs that they and then

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it also occurs in northeast Missouri.
So we were going to camp in that

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general area Thursday night, and then
we were going to go down to northeast

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Missouri on Friday, and we were
kind of arrowhead hunting along the Des Moines

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River as we were making our way
to central Iowa. We're going to stay

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in the just south of Iowa,
and I actually had never been over there.

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I've been to a lot of places
in Iowa, and you know,

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very rural Iowa as well, but
I've never been over by. But so

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because we were stopping at so many
different places along the Des Moines River on

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our way there, we didn't actually
pull into the until probably eight twenty eight

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thirty. So it was twilight when
we came in, and there's no electricity

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run through it, so it's black
at night and it was just dark.

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And as we were driving through the
forest we actually came in, there are

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a few entrances you can go into
this forest. We came in on the

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south side, and we made our
way kind of just due north through this

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certain tract, and I know there
are several campgrounds you can stand, but

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we stayed in one that was you
know, I sent you the map of

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it that we stayed in one that's
kind of like at the north central position

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in the forest. So when we
pulled in, you know, it's it's

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twilight and there's a little bit of
light left, but that light in the

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sky when you're in a forest is
there's not much you know that you've got

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seventy foot trees that are just black
surrounding you. And in this area in

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Iowa and looks like the driftless area, a lot of really rolling, beautiful

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rolling hills and deep ravines and when
there is woods, when there is forest,

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it's thick. For Iowa at least
a lot of forest, and woods

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in Iowa really are just kind of
remnant forest along rivers where farmers never tilt.

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They have a lot of really deep
ravines and kind of gulch is almost

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some pretty nice little hills. So
when we first rolled into the park or

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the forest, I should say,
we found the camp ground that we liked.

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We hadn't planned it out to her. We wanted to stay in that

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exact campground we'd kind of knew we'd
play it by air, and we didn't

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figure there would be many people,
if any, since it was a Thursday

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night, it was kind of hot
and it was so remote. But so

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as we drove through the forest,
we didn't happen to see any other vehicles

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or any other campers, and in
this specific camp site there there was no

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one else staying. So I left
my vehicle running for the first ten minutes

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that we got there to fill out
the kind of camping information, the little

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tag you fill out for your site, and then to set up. We

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had two tents. My friend packed
with just a one person pop up tent,

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and I foolishly brought a six person
ten. I have a four person

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ten as well, but my wife
was using that at the state fair.

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She went and she stayed with her
parents there. So we set up the

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tents, we get the fire going, and it's you know, it's probably

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ten or fifteen minutes of us doing
that. I shut the car off and

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the lights off, and it's it's
pretty well dark by now. There's not

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much of twilight at all left.
It's to my recollection too. There was

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no moon that night, and I
at least I never happened to see one.

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So after we get the fire going, we we both took our flashlights,

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which again I usually camp with a
mag flashlight that has just like an

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unbelievable amount of women's power to it. I sent that with my wife though,

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so I just had my phone flashlight. We were going around this campsite,

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which it's probably it's it's a cleared
area that's probably two hundred yards long

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one hundred and fifty yards long by
seventy or eighty yards wide, and the

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whip certainly varies throughout the camp site, and we were staying in the southeast

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corner. But so we made our
way around with our phone flashlights and we're

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just grabbing twigs and branches that had
fallen, and we were checking the other

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fire rings to see if anyone had
left any logs when they put their fire

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out, And actually most of the
firings still had grass growing at them.

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So I don't think people camp at
this Maybe they don't even camping very much,

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and maybe there's a reason, you
know, but they may just not

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camp at this particular site very much. So when we were setting up the

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tent and getting the fire going,
I heard a pack of coyotes maybe a

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half mile out, maybe a quarter
mile away from us to the northwest.

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And I don't know that this really
plays into the story, but I'll mention

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it. We heard them for maybe
ten minutes, and they kind of quieted

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down. They may have moved off
to where I couldn't hear them, or

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they may have just stopped making their
noise. But I was at the northwest

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corner of this entire campsite, looking
at the fire rings and then looking for

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fallen trees and branches, and probably
a quarter mile off I heard four consecutive

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sounds that I just couldn't place.
They were really loud, but they were

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pretty far off, and I could
tell it came from something big. But

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I just, you know, I
kind of went through the rolodex of animal

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noises that I know as I heard
it, and I couldn't place it.

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So I met back with my friend
at our camping site and I said,

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hey, you know, did you
hear that? He said, yeah,

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I said, with it an elk
bugling or something. You know, we

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don't have elk in Iowa anymore.
I think they were hunted out by either

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the late eighteen hundreds or the early
nineteen hundreds. I've certainly seen elk on

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farms in the state, but I
didn't happen to notice any elk farms near

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us. And this wasn't really an
vehgling, it wasn't that noise. I

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was just trying to maybe even get
an answer, knowing my friend wouldn't have

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the answer, but he kind of
laughing on and said, I don't know

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what that was, man, but
I don't think it's now, And we

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weren't concerned about it. I didn't
think about it, so, you know,

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we find it kind of finished grabbing
our our wood around the side,

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and we then sat by the fire
and got it going a little bit.

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But I only brought probably enough fire
for now to keep it going until about

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three or four in the morning.
And I wanted to kind of be conservative

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with the two because I knew it
was going to drop down into fifties that

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night, and if you've ever camped, you know when it gets down to

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the forties and fifties, it can
be miserable, you know, even if

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you're dressed in layers and everything.
So I'd like to keep the fire going

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when it gets that cold. So
we had kind of a small fire going

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but we were sitting around it.
He was to my left, my friend,

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and I was. I started cooking
a broad worst over the fire.

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The way our site is set up, the specific when we were camping at

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it's probably I mean it's pretty close
to the woodline on the southeast corner,

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and I think we were, you
know, maybe ten or fifteen yards away

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from the tree line. And it's
been at this point, probably fifteen point

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minutes since we heard the coyote.
Is kind of quiet down and then those

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initial four loud noises that we couldn't
place. It's it's just pitch black at

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this point. The stars are kind
of starting to come out, but again

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there's you know, in a forest
that night, when the stars are coming

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out, you can really only see, you know, a pretty select portion

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of the sky, just because all
of the horizon and the drowned up by

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the trees. So as I'm cooking
this broad worstman, you know, I'm

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talking with my friend, we hear
a sound one hundred and fifty yards behind

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us, diagonally to basically the northwest
corner of the entire campsite, and it

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sounded like it came from you know, an amplifier or a bullhorn or an

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air horn. It was so unbelievably
loud. And if I'm sure if anyone

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does hear this, and even if
no one does and it's just you who

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hears this, I know there's no
way you haven't heard it. So I'll

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just say in the Sierra Sounds at
the very beginning, and you know a

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little bit throughout the recording, you
know, they're the sort of howls or

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the whoops that sound offs in the
recording, and it's so distinctive. It's

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such a distinct noise, that's what
we heard. And immediately following that,

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from that same location, as soon
as the whoop died down, there was

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that garbled of God, I mean, that mumbling chatter, same thing you

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know that you can you can hear
in the Sierra Sounds. And even though

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I listened to the Sierra Sounds countless
times because it's so unbelievably interesting and mind

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boggling to me, and going into
this experience, you know, I fully

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believe in sasquatch because not only does
it make sense even though to it agree

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it's it's hard to wrap your head
around. But I've also had experiences which

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you know, I've I've reached out
to you about recently, but I didn't

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connect it to that at all,
you know, not in the least.

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As soon as I heard that,
every hair on my body stood up,

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just electrically. It was just so
unbelievably loud. I've heard elk bugle before.

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I've heard cows, uh, you
know, when the calfs are separated

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from their mothers and you hear them
kind of crying out all night. Or

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I've heard cows injured too, and
the unbelievable volume of their moves that's,

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you know, unbelievably loud in itself. This just put that to shame.

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And we had to have been one
hundred and fifty yards away from it.

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I could pinpoint exactly where this thing
came from. It was. It's just

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so strange. We'll be back with
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sponsors. But so even having heard
this her it sounds so many times in

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my life, I still didn't I
didn't know what this was. In the

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first moment or two, you know, I did the human thing again of

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sort of going through the rolodex in
my head of you know, what what

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was that? What what biological creature? Animal being makes that sound. And

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I came up with nothing, and
I turned to my friend and, you

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know, still knowing I wouldn't get
an answer, but just you know,

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it's also such a human thing to
say, you know what was that or

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give me an answer. I turned
to him and I just said, you

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know what the hell was that?
You know what God's name made that noise?

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And his face was so I've known
this guy for years, and I've

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spent such an amazing amount of time
with this guy's a super close friend of

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mine. I've just never seen him
this serious or he had such a grave

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look on his face, and it
was like he knew right away. He

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said that had to be Bigfoot,
and my first reaction, even as a

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believer, you know, an experiencer, I still said, there's no way,

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you know, year full way,
there's no way. But as soon

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as he said that, it was
like it unlocked. I don't know this

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this thing in my in my mind, and I immediately remembered the Sierra sounds

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that and I was able to connect
that noise to something I'd actually heard before,

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and I mean, my heart just
sank as as as that sort of

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set into my head. I'm just
the the immediate acceptance almost was terrifying because

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because we're in the middle of nowhere, it's just so remote. In the

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middle of nowhere in Iowa is even
as believe the forest, there's nothing but

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agricultural fields around it, you know, other rolling hills, rivers, agricultural

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fields. So we were so remote, it's just kitch black were surrounded by

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woods, you know, And I
hear this thing that I am realizing is

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bigfoot, and even if it's not, this is unbelievably loud, noise,

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unbelievably loud. But so some of
this had just happened so quickly after this

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then, so you know, I
turned to my friend. I asked,

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what the hell was that. He
says, it's big foot. It sets

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into me that this is what this
is. And then within seconds to our

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right and probably fifty or sixty feet
in front of us, into the tree

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line, I hear tree knocks.
And I've never heard of that before.

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I've I've told you I've had experiences
before, I've gone into pretty detail as

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to what those experiences were with you, but I've never heard tree knocks before.

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I've never heard vocalizations like this in
person. And the tree knocks came

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in sequences of two. There were
three sequences of two, so it was

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knock knock, knock, knock,
knock, and it wasn't like I imagined

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tree knock would be. I've heard
people describe it where it sounds like,

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you know, someone's taken a Louisville
slugger and just slamming it against a tree

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and going back to the Sierra sounds. You hear that sort of ricocheting ping

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as these tree knocks are occurring in
the recordings. This wasn't like that.

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This was this is pretty loud,
but it was almost like a muffled or

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a muted knock. I've also heard
not just woodpeckers throughout my life, a

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different species of woodpeckers too, and
there's such an unbelievable difference between you know,

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any kind of a woodpecker. There's
this sort of hollow resonance that sounds

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from their bill as they drill into
a tree, and it's they can do

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slow the sort of bats or of
drills into trees as as they're you know,

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gone around and pecking into the tree. But I've never heard one keep

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a measured time in this way.
And I've also never heard one that sounded

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like this. And I've also never
heard of woodpecker at night. I don't

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I'm not claiming that they don't,
you know, make sounds at night,

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but I've just never heard one.
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NA off to our kind of diagonally
to our right, you know,

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I turned to my friend again.
I say, Okay, we got to

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get out of here, like right
now. You know, we can either

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pack up or I don't care at
this point, we can leave all of

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our stuff. We got to get
out of here because I know what's happening

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now. You know, there's a
call and a response. So we have

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two of them, and I maybe
generally know where they are, but I

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can't see them. I don't know
what they want. I don't know what

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they're doing. But we also didn't. We didn't go into this experience looking

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for this at all. You know. I listened to Bigfoot podcasts all the

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time, I read accounts online all
the time. I read historical accounts that

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seem to be related to big Foot
or sasquatch all the time. I don't

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want to experience them anymore. The
idea of you know, running into something

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like this in the woods or even
in a controlled setting, just doesn't I

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don't want that at all. I
know some people want that to learn more

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or just people who haven't experienced it. And I totally get that. I

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totally understand that. That's now,
why went after these woods. I didn't

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know that they would be out there. I wasn't looking for him. So

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as my friend and I are having
this sort of frantic I don't know,

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just trying to come to terms,
this conversation of you know, what do

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we do, because even though in
my head I knew, hey, we

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need to leave, it was the
strangest saying that we stayed, you know,

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and I didn't really understand why when
I thought about it, and when

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I talked about it, I told
my wife this story probably four times now,

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and you know, maybe the third
or fourth time I told her,

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she said, it sounds like,
you guys, we're experiencing the sort of

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sensation of being prey. You know, if you imagine a rabbit, they

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just sit still for so long until
the last second and then maybe they bolt,

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or you know, maybe that's their
last second. Maybe they don't ever

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move and they get, you know, taken by whatever is preying upon them.

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I don't know. We stayed.
I can't really explain it. We

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stayed in our chairs too during,
you know, hearing this. I just

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I don't know. I just couldn't. I couldn't move almost I could,

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I could move my body around,
but I just couldn't bring myself a stand

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up. And so we shined our
phone flashlights into the into the tree line

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in front of us and behind us
as well, and you know, I

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didn't see anything. My friend didn't
see anything. As we're shining our lights

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around us trying to see anything,
diagonally to our left, we hear something

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moving in the woods and there's a
sort of a subtle ravine that gets pretty.

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To be honest, I never went
and looked at it before any of

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this happened while there was still some
twilight. Oh sorry, I'm sitting outside

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on a gravel road and every once
in a while there might be a car

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that passes. I never went and
looked at this ravine, but I could

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kind of see when there was still
a bit of light left when we first

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arrived, that it seemed to go
down in a pretty drastic sense, down

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to a pretty deep bulch diagonal to
where I left maybe you know, one

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hundred two hundred feet off that seemed
to be where this movement was coming from.

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That we started to hear and it
didn't it didn't last long, but

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you could hear something moving through the
woods on two feet at a very slow

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cadence, and it was breaking things
as it moved. I don't know if

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it was breaking branches on trees.
I don't know if it was breaking things

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that had already fallen to the forest
floor. I've I've heard deer move through

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the woods. Usually you don't really
hear them move through the woods, but

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if they are, and I sort
of lacked the daisical mindset, you can

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hear them brushing against things. They
don't really break things that they moved through

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the woods. This thing, it
just sounded massive, and it just every

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step that it took you could hear
things just cracking break around it. So

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this just adds to the intensity of
all this and the fear. You know,

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I've had. I've had some pretty
wild close calls in my life.

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I used to be pretty careless and
reckless and pretty wild as as a younger

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dude, and I've had some pretty
close to near death experiences and if I'm

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being honest, they're probably near death
experiences, things that happened so fast that

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you don't really realize until a moment
after ten moments after, you know,

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Jesus said, that was pretty close
the adrenaline spike I had immediately during this,

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it was just through the roof.
So we're sitting around the fire.

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We now are aware that there's at
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they to be communicating, and they
may even be getting closer. We're in

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a very hushed sense, having this
conversation of just constantly saying, what do

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we do? You know, we
need to leave, but again we don't

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leave. I just can't explain it. And I knew from the just the

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start of it that we needed to
leave. It's just one of those I

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don't know if it was shocked or
what, but it must have been another

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ten or fifteen minutes of us just
sitting looking back and forth in the dark

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around the fire, every once in
a while, shining our flashlights in front

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of us, in the woods behind
us, and we just don't see anything

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within that ten or fifteen minute window
of us, you know, sitting and

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I don't know, waiting to see
what happened next. We heard a little

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bit of movement in the woods agonaling
to our right where we heard the tree

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knocks and agony to the left where
we heard this thing moving up, you

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know, through this ravine. Not
much and the movements weren't anything dramatic.

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We didn't hear anything crashing quickly through
the woods, nothing vocalizing, nothing like

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that. But every time we heard
something, it was it was just like

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a life or death fear, you
know, that, you know, spiked

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the adrenaline all over again, or
maybe even higher than before. So after

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this, I'll say, a fifteen
minute window of the initial noise happening behind

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us one hundred and fifty yards or
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I should say also as we're sitting
around the fire on the right,

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my friend is on my left.
Again, we have the woods ten or

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fifteen yards in front of us,
and my vehicle is parked probably twenty feet

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behind me, and my tent is
set up kind of diagonally to the left

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behind me. I could see around
my tent into the clearing, but my

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and my friend had basically like a
perfectly clear view of it. It was

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it's dark, you know, but
with the flash that we could see a

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little bit of the clearing. So
ten or fifteen minutes goes by, and

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we then here, you know,
it wasn't another whoop, but we heard

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such a loud vocalization that was so
fast and so loud that I almost I

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kind of can't wrap my head around
what it was, or I would,

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I guess I should say, I
can't explain how this noise sounded. But

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this is now fifty feet behind us, to the left, you know,

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diagonally back to the left, and
there's this really big tree that, as

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I told the story, I said
it would look like a cottonwood, but

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I never saw it in the daylight, and I didn't take the time to

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try to really see what it was
as all this was happening. But it

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was this big tree kind of back
to our left, behind us, and

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that seemed to be in the moment
where this noise came from. So there's

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this an unbelievably loud vocalization, and
then it's followed by a sequence of three

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other vocalizations that all happened within such
a fast succession that I can't imagine there

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was even a moment for this thing
to take a breath, which tells me

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the lung capacity on whatever is doing
this must be just unbelievable. So we

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hear this, you know, this
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which then goes to more of that
garbled what people call samurai chatter. And

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this was kind of on the higher
end. It wasn't that low, really

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basy, like really guttural chatter.
This was really it was so fast and

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there were just so many accents,
and it just and and I say high

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pitched, even though it was high
pitched for what I've heard in the samurai

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chatter for a human being. This
was high pitched. But as soon as

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this is probably two two and a
half a second sort of chatter of vocalization

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happens and then immediately goes at into
this just like this just nightmarish yowls.

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It sounded like what a mountain lion
does that really mad territorial. Yeah,

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I'll sound like an idiot doing it, but just sounds it's that really low

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pissed off, like get out of
here. That territorial just mean mean vocalization

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that they do, but this was, I mean, a mountain lion doesn't

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have anything on this vocalization. This
would have had to be the size of

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a rhinoceros making, you know,
if a mountain lion was nine hundred pounds

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or something. It was just so
so loud, and after that vocalization there

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was more chatter that it did.
And all of this was continuous. It

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was basically all one vocalization, but
it was those four different things happening back

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to back. But so when we
initially heard that loud yell or whatever it

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was, we both jumped out of
our seats because and it was one of

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those things where I don't know that
I've I've jumped a million times out of

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fear in my life, but I
don't know that I've ever truly jumped.

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You know. My body might have
you know, arked before, or I

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may have been scared up from something, but I jumped out of my seat

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truly, And as the following,
you know, the sort of successions of

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vocalizations came after that. It's all
within seconds of me turning around into the

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dark and my friend who's to my
left, and this my tent is not

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impeding upon on his view of this
thing or whatever it may be. You

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know. It's what I'm trying to
say, is I think this thing was

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using infrasound because the way my friend
has described this to me, as we've

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talked it out that entire night and
the entire next day, the way he

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describes it as even louder than I'm
telling you now, and I'm sitting you're

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saying it sounded like the biggest mountain
lion, you know, eight times the

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size of a mountain lions. He
thought it was even louder than that.

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And as we're turning around in the
dark, he almost half, like half

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said the word mountain lion. He
didn't even say a full sentence. It

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was almost like he just said pound
lion. And then he said she's coming

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right for us. And when he
said that, I'm looking ahead in the

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dark where this noise is coming from. I'm sort of turning toward it.

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I can't see whatever it is,
even with the sort of backlighting of the

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fire. I'm just looking into this
empty space. Basically, when he said

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that, it felt like every one
of my innerds, you know, my

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heart down to my intestines just dropped
into my pelvis. It was the most

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sinking feeling I've ever felt in my
life. And as I as I told

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my wife the story is, you
know, one of the times I told

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her, I realized what that was
and I just broke down crime When I

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was telling her it was a subconscious
acceptance of you know, you're going to

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die in this moment, and before
my brain could accept that, my body

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accepted it. Hearing vocalization and me
assuming what this was, and then hearing

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my friends saying she's coming right for
us, that combination was just the perfect

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combination of something in my body saying
Okay, you're gonna die, and you

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know, a second later as she's
by the way, as I'm saying,

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she this is something and experiences usually
sometimes people see you know, Jenitalia,

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they'll see a male and they'll say, oh, that was a male,

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or they'll see females. I'll say
that was female. I did get a

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look at this thing eventually, but
it wasn't a good enough look where I

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can give an amazing description of what
I saw. By any means, when

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I'm saying female, it's totally just
something a sensation. It could have been

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a male I don't know, but
it and my friends who immediately said she's

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coming right for us, so he
immediately felt that it was a female too,

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So I'll just say that it was
a female, but I don't know.

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We both sort of got our phones
that at the same time and turn

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the flashlights on. And as we
did this, the vocalization stops and we

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see nothing. There's nothing in front
of us, you know. We look

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over at the tree, we're scanning
all around with our lights. There's nothing.

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And it's so mind boggling. My
adrenaline is like non existent right now.

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It's so through the roof. I
feel like there's just a mountain of

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adrenaline above me. Even I'm just
so unbelievably freaked out. And I turned

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to my friend and I say,
we gotta get out of here, you

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know, leave your tent. I
don't care about it. I'm leaving my

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tent. Maybe I'll come back in
the morning. I don't care if I

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receive again. We're also now hearing
behind us these two things that we are

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supposing here in the woods that we're
in front of us, you know,

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doing the wood knocks and walking through
the ravine. We're hearing them move through

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00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.039
the woods now, and again it's
not this dramatic crashing through the woods.

406
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:07.920
It's this sure step, as though
these things are just I don't know if

407
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.480
they've been through it a million times, and it's like a it was like

408
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.679
a trained thing. It was like
a Navy seal tactic. You know.

409
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:21.440
They just were moving in the dark
with sure steps, letting us know we're

410
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.920
coming in closer. They weren't.
They weren't hiding it because this thing that

411
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:30.440
vocalized behind us, behind us,
she snuck all the way either around the

412
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:36.519
tree line or she cut right through
the open campsite for one hundred and twenty

413
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.840
thirty yards and we didn't hear her
at all, you know, not at

414
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:44.000
all. The only reason we knew
she was there because she screamed at us.

415
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:51.840
So we're constantly turning around in the
three sixty now with our lights trying

416
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.760
to see if she's there, trying
to see if these two are in the

417
00:37:55.760 --> 00:38:01.320
woods. And then I should say
two. I really think that there were

418
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.760
four because I think the initial vocalization
that we heard it just sounded so male,

419
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:13.360
and it just sounded so different from
the vocalization we heard that was you

420
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:17.320
know, fifty feet behind us.
Again, I can't scientifically say, hey,

421
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.800
I know that there were four of
these creatures there. It's it's,

422
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.280
you know, with so many of
these experiences, it's, uh, you

423
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:30.920
have to just sort of go off
of your senses. And that's hard too,

424
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.559
because in you know, when you
have so much adrenaline and it's dark

425
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:40.360
and you're in this fight or flight
mindset, your senses are almost unreliable.

426
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.079
So as we're spinning around with our
flashlights, you know, trying to see

427
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:51.440
these things, not seeing anything,
my friend starts breaking his tent down,

428
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.199
and I'm yelling at him at this
point, you know, I'm like,

429
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.320
man, lead your tent. You
know, who cares about that? We

430
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.599
have to leave now. These things
are trying to get us the hell out

431
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:07.880
of here. I'm leaving all my
stuff. And my friend is just so

432
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.960
bullheaded though that he was saying,
no, man, I'm not leaving this

433
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.559
ten. You know, I paid
whatever X amount of money for I'm taking

434
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:19.480
it. And he folds his tent
up and and he starts doing it to

435
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.039
mine too, and I just said, you know, we gotta leave this,

436
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.840
you know, And and it's it's
one of those things again where I

437
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:31.920
didn't just get in my car and
say get in, we're leaving. I

438
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:37.800
don't know. It was like I
was letting circumstance just play out, and

439
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:44.880
I was just kind of in the
passenger seat, which is terrible in these

440
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:49.559
kind of situations. You know,
you as a as an adult and as

441
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.039
a man with testosterone, and you
know someone who's experienced wild things, and

442
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:57.559
you think that in the moment,
you'll act and you'll say, oh,

443
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.360
I know what I would do,
you know, and I'm I'm going to

444
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:01.280
do it right now. I think
we should get out of here. I'm

445
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:06.800
getting out of here. But that
just was completely out the window. So

446
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:10.440
as he's breaking my tent down,
which again is a six person, massive,

447
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:15.880
stupid, clunky tent and the poles
always get stuck at the top and

448
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:22.639
the little sleeves that have for the
poles, I'm shining my light still on

449
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:30.920
that tree, where I assume this
vocalization came from my friend, who is

450
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.840
breaking the tent down, keeps shining
his light up. You know, he's

451
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.199
shining it at the tent, and
then he'll shine it up. He's shining

452
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.360
it down at the tent and he'll
shine it up. You know, at

453
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:46.880
the tree line and all around us
too. At some point he shines off

454
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:52.400
kind of back toward behind my car
while I'm shining my light at that big

455
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.039
tree where I think this vocalization has
come from. And that's when I saw

456
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.599
her. My friend did not see
her. I saw her. She was

457
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:08.840
there the whole time, and we
didn't see her because she was so unbelievably

458
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:15.679
black. I'm talking about blacker than
a shadow, blacker than anything else.

459
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.960
I just thought it was part of
the night. I thought it was.

460
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.599
I thought of the tree stump.
Honestly. I've heard people say that in

461
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.840
podcasts so many times, you know, when they're going through their experience.

462
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.920
You know, I thought the same, a tree stump, and I believe

463
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.760
that when I heard it. But
I just my mind couldn't wrap around how

464
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.559
how can someone think this, you
know, big bulky, hairy thing,

465
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:39.000
even if it's squatted down, it
could be a tree stump. But it

466
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:49.480
just you, your mind can't in
the moment calculator even except that that something

467
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:59.119
that big is an organic, biological
thing. I've got another car passing something

468
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:09.920
to be quiet for say, So, the only reason I saw her is

469
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:17.960
because she moved. She was on
all fours, and on all fours she

470
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:25.440
was three and a half or four
feet tall, which is just that's that

471
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:32.559
unbelievable thing to think about. That's
something that's not a quadruped, something that's

472
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:37.679
not this big, you know,
moose or a rhinocerous as I said earlier,

473
00:42:37.719 --> 00:42:42.480
or something like that, something that
you know generally moves around on two

474
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:47.760
feet could be down on all fours
and be four feet tall. So as

475
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:55.880
I'm shutting my flashlight at her,
she threw her hands forward. From a

476
00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:01.800
sort of squatting position with all fours, she threw her hands forward and lunged

477
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.440
into the tree line. When she
did this, I yelped. Basically,

478
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:15.079
I probably sounded like a twelve year
old. This just yelp of fear escaped

479
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.239
me. I grabbed my friend's shirt
and I said, did you see it?

480
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.519
Did you see that? And he
said no, where where were?

481
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:28.000
And I think that he thought that
it was again coming at us, So

482
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.119
he got freaked out again, you
know, even more so, I said,

483
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:38.039
she just bolted into the tree line. And that's when I sort of

484
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.360
just turned into a mode where I
said, I don't care. We're getting

485
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.199
out of here, you know,
and I took my pocket knife and I

486
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.880
just cut the sort of the cordage
between the tent poles because we couldn't get

487
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.960
goddamn tent poles through the top of
the tent, so I just cut it,

488
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.199
and I pulled it, and I
just tore the hell out of the

489
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:57.880
top of my tent. And I
even looking back, I don't care at

490
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:02.199
all. I just don't care.
But I have to say when when this

491
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:10.920
thing moved, she was faster than
anything I've ever seen. And again,

492
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:19.440
when I hear that in experiences,
my mind always goes to speed. But

493
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.360
I now know when people are talking
about these things moving faster than anyone could

494
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:29.360
imagine, they're not just talking about
speed. They're talking about agility. This

495
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:35.480
massive, massive thing, as she
lunged forward, she moved faster than any

496
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:43.920
Olympic athlete I've ever seen do any
attempt at any sport, Faster than any

497
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:50.800
kind of wildcat pouncing or running after
its prey, more agile than anything I've

498
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.800
ever seen in my life. It
was like a flash. And I don't

499
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:58.760
mean just that she was gone in
a flash, but she just took off

500
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.199
in a flash. It just knew
like nothing I've ever seen before. We'll

501
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:12.079
be back with more Bigfoot Society after
these words from our sponsors. And the

502
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.440
unbelievable thing about it was not just
the speed, but I did not hear

503
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:21.320
her land. I didn't hear her
land in the woods at all, bolted,

504
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.840
you know, with her hands forward. And if that happens, you

505
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.960
know, if an object moves forward, it stops moving. You know,

506
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:37.719
she had to land. But I
didn't hear a leaf, nothing, and

507
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:44.960
these things are still moving behind us
in the woods. So that was finally

508
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.440
just seeing her and seeing her do
that. That was finally when you know,

509
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.760
the thing clicked over in my head
and it just said, okay,

510
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:58.239
here's your answer, final belief.
And I you know, I cut the

511
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:02.360
cords on the tent poles, we
pull them through, just through everything in

512
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:07.639
the back of my vehicle, and
uh, I mean I sped out of

513
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.840
there so fast that I almost went
into the ditch twice just leaving the forest.

514
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.679
And as that happened, you know, again the adrenaline is just skyrocket

515
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.280
and thinking if you go into the
ditch or you're done, you know,

516
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:22.400
you're not walking out of here.
And I don't have a vehicle with four

517
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:27.639
wheel drive, so I'm not I'm
not getting out of there, so I

518
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:29.440
keep it on the road, and
you know, we get it out of

519
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:36.000
there, and that's the experience in
a sense. But what a lot of

520
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.119
people don't get to talk about,
I don't think is the immediate after,

521
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:44.920
you know, the moments, the
minutes, and the hours after the experience.

522
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:52.840
We're we're two and a half hours
away from my house in Central Iowa.

523
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.119
Immediately I drove up and just to
be in some sort of town.

524
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:02.679
But it's like ten oh eight,
I think, because I called my wife

525
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:07.719
immediately as we're leaving a part and
barely explained it, and I just said,

526
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:09.440
hey, I just had this terrible
experience. And I said, please

527
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.840
don't laugh at me, like,
please, dear God, don't laugh at

528
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.719
me, because she knows how how
close I am to the subject, you

529
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:21.519
know, And I've ben told her
about some of the experiences that I've had.

530
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:23.039
I shouldn't say experiences, as though
I've had so many, you know,

531
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:28.039
but I had, you know,
pretty a pretty affecting experience when I

532
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.599
was a kid, and I told
her about that, and she, uh,

533
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:36.159
I don't know, I just I
think I just wanted to be taken

534
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:44.719
seriously immediately because I was still so
close to it. So I called her

535
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.480
and it was only too many conversations. She said, no, I'm I'm

536
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.719
sorry, you know, I'm sorry
to happen. Then there are you okay?

537
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.719
And I believe you know, I
said, yeah, I'm fine,

538
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.039
and we just gotta I try to
tell somebody, you know. And but

539
00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:59.960
we were going to figure this out, you know. And so my friend

540
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:06.519
I drive into Lucas, which is
three four minutes away, and you know,

541
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.559
the whole town is a sleep by
ten. There's hardly any lights on

542
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.000
at all in the town. You
know. The street lights are also just

543
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.199
kind of pitiful there. It's it's
just so dark that I kind of think,

544
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:16.840
you know, as we're driving through
the town, I think, no

545
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.039
one of these things, you know, kind of just here. There's just

546
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:25.760
no there's nothing going on, you
know. And so then my friend might

547
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.039
drive around for a while, and
we were just saying, what do we

548
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.360
do? You know, I'm not
going to go get a hotel or something,

549
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:36.599
you know, and I'm not going
to camp somewhere else. My friend

550
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:39.360
was kind of saying we should go
camp down at a lake a little east

551
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:42.239
of where we were at and I
just sitt in no way, man,

552
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.599
you know, so am camping to
night, and we basically got into a

553
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:49.039
pretty pretty sweet argument over it.
And I love this dude, you know,

554
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:53.000
and I just went through something insane
with them. But we just weren't

555
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:57.119
thinking right, you know. And
but I wound up driving two and a

556
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:00.039
half hours back to my place and
we didn't get into until two twenty at

557
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:06.239
night, and I was just dead
tired after that from all these adrenaline spikes,

558
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:12.280
because the adrenaline spike doesn't go down
now, it didn't go down,

559
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.960
and the car until we'd been driving
for an hour and an hour and a

560
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:20.440
half, because you know, we're
just trying to make sense of this thing.

561
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:27.960
And I realized in the car too
at some point, I think pretty

562
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:36.079
quickly that I was so so unbelievably
thankful that I had someone there with me,

563
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:43.800
for one, because I don't think
these things would have come into our

564
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:47.719
site or done what they did had
there been other campers there. I think

565
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:53.800
it was all perfect, and that
we showed up basically at night. I

566
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.119
had the car run for a little
while, I had the lights on.

567
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:01.880
We're walking around the camp site with
our flashlights and stuff, and I think

568
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:07.000
these things just said, hey,
you know what's this, We better check

569
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:12.039
this out. If we had gone
there and set up our tents during the

570
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.679
day, that might not have happened, because they may have taken their looks

571
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.519
or their peaks from the woods during
the day and said, it's just these

572
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.360
two guys camping. Who cares,
you know? And who knows, maybe

573
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.239
would have moved on. Maybe they
don't want people that. I have no

574
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:30.960
idea, but I was so thankful
I had somebody with me because I felt

575
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:37.800
not safer, but I felt like
maybe it didn't escalate any further because there

576
00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:40.679
were two of us, and because
we got out of there when we did.

577
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:47.159
But also because no matter what,
no matter how many times I tell

578
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.119
this story in my life, and
it doesn't matter who I'm telling it to,

579
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:54.719
whether I'm telling it to the host
of a podcast you know that's specifically

580
00:50:54.760 --> 00:51:00.320
about Bigfoot, whether I tell it
to my best friend, my brothers,

581
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.599
my mother and father and my wife, my kids, whatever, no one

582
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:12.719
can fully believe me to just the
nth degree. And they also, I

583
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:16.360
can't deliver over the noises that we
heard, the fear that I felt,

584
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:22.000
the thing that I saw, even
if I tell the story perfectly, I

585
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:27.400
can't deliver that over because no one
else was there to experience it except for

586
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.519
my friend. And so I,
at least in my life, have someone

587
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:37.519
who was there and he knows exactly
what happened. And even though we both

588
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:43.159
still I know our minds are just
blown us to what did happen, he

589
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.920
at least was there and he experienced
it with me. And sometimes when I

590
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:52.119
hear people who have these experiences that
are like mine or even much worse,

591
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.480
more violent, more terrifying than mine, and they're all alone and they don't

592
00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:00.760
have anyone else, even other experiencers, they don't have anyone else who experienced

593
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.800
that exact thing with them. I
think that is absolutely tragic, and I

594
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:09.719
just feel so fortunate that even though
that happened, I had my friend there

595
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:15.800
with me, I had someone who
experienced it with me, and I don't

596
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:21.559
know, I think that at least
is some kind of I can take some

597
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:28.280
kind of solace from that, you
know. So that's really the account,

598
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:35.639
the experience as it as it happened. Red, thank you for sharing that.

599
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:39.400
That's that is incredible. That's probably
the most incredible Iowa account I've ever

600
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:47.079
heard in five years. That's wild, dude. Do you mind if I

601
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:50.960
ask you a few questions that I
wrote down? Oh not at all.

602
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.360
Man, I'm I'm here, so
I'm you know, I'm fine with anything.

603
00:52:54.559 --> 00:53:01.440
These might seem really random. But
so, what time exactly do you

604
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:10.519
think you were cooking the brat worst? I know that it was past nine,

605
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:15.559
it was probably so the window really
is like, Let's say, I

606
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:20.320
imagine we got there at eight thirty
and we bolted out of there just after

607
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.719
ten, so we're there for an
hour and forty minutes. Let's say I

608
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:30.440
bet it was like nine o'clock or
maybe nine thirty. You know, it's

609
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:36.360
because these I know, those are
the parameters when we when we got in

610
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:38.719
and when we left. I know
because I looked at my o'clock on my

611
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:43.320
vehicle when we pulled in, and
I think it was like eight twenty something,

612
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:46.920
a twenty eight something like that.
And then I know when we left

613
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:52.519
just because I looked at my phone
to call my wife. But you know,

614
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:57.480
as I'm talking about these sort of
intervals of time, I think,

615
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.719
just because my adrenaline has spiked the
whole time too, they may have been

616
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:07.199
shorter. They may have been longer
in between certain things happening. But it's

617
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:08.840
almost hard for me to wrap my
mind around, like, were we really

618
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:14.239
sitting there for thirty minutes after the
initial sound? Were we sitting there for

619
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:16.760
twenty five minutes? Because that's almost
more unbelievable, you know, for us

620
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:20.840
to sit there that long through that. But so I bet I was cooking

621
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:22.000
it. I know I was doing
an after nine please, but it may

622
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:29.679
have been nine thirty. Or is
there any other food involved? No?

623
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:36.400
I I had some other food,
but I wasn't cooking anything and nothing pungent.

624
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:39.880
Really when I camp, I don't, I don't bring anything to eccentric.

625
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:44.039
I think I had some apples,
some canned food and the like,

626
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:50.559
a couple of broths and just like
regular type rot worst, nothing out of

627
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:54.599
the ordinary. Yeah, yeah,
I think there are those lighter colored,

628
00:54:54.679 --> 00:55:01.559
like kind of terribly gray broths that
you know. And it sounds like there

629
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:07.519
wasn't anything recorded, no audio recorded, anything like that happened so quick and

630
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:15.039
emotions were high. Yeah, and
actually that I didn't know who I would

631
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.480
tell about this. I knew I
had to tell people just because I had

632
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:22.320
such an anxiety and made the next
couple of days after this that, you

633
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:28.000
know, as I'm constantly trying to
quit smoking, and I've quit for intervals

634
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.840
of two years, three years,
but I just always go back to it.

635
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:35.000
And I had been in kind of
an interval of not smoking, but

636
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.079
now I smoked two packs of two
days. I was so stressed out,

637
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.119
and you know, as I'm trying
to find like, you know, I'm

638
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.119
actually scrolling through my own saying,
I m could tell about this, but

639
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.760
I want to tell my parents.
And you know, I let my parents

640
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.039
and I told them some wild stuff, but I just I don't know.

641
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.960
I didn't imagine i'd ever tell them. But as I told my mom,

642
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:01.960
she said she recorded, and I
didn't think about until you know, I

643
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:07.239
must have seen her Saturday, and
this happened Thursday night, So I didn't

644
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.280
think about that until Saturday and she
asked me, and I just said no,

645
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.000
like not a second, no photos, no recording, nothing, you

646
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:17.840
know, And I just never even
in the interval of me looking at my

647
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.039
friend for whatever fifteen twenty thirty minutes, you're just saying we need to leave.

648
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:23.960
What do we do? I never
was like, hey, we should

649
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:29.599
record this. And again I'm someone
who's been interested in this my entire life

650
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.639
basically. Sure. Yeah, yeah, it's a thing where you know,

651
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.119
you never know how you're going to
act until you're in this situation. Right,

652
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:43.880
Yeah, let's see. Did so
it sounded like you did not see

653
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:49.719
the face of the creature? Then? No, not, And so when

654
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:54.199
I saw her, I didn't realize
again that I was even looking at her

655
00:56:54.239 --> 00:57:00.119
until she moved. But so I
didn't even actually moved her hands out and

656
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:05.039
go forward. I didn't even hardly
make out fingers. It happened so fast,

657
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.719
and it was just so dark and
so black. I could tell,

658
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:13.159
you know, I could see arms
extend, and then I could see the

659
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:17.280
sort of shape of the butt and
the legs hunkered down, and her torso

660
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.880
and everything. But then it just
as she took out, I didn't see

661
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:28.039
any features at all on her face. Did you get a sin this is

662
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.360
tricky. Did you get a sense
for how tall the creature was? It

663
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.800
looked it sounds like it was just
lunging. You saw it on all fours

664
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:39.760
and then I lunged forward. Yeah, And I'd be totally making something up

665
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.360
or lying if I said I think
she was eight feet taller. I think

666
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.559
because I just don't know. I
do know that she had to have been

667
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:51.000
three and a half or four feet
tall. And I didn't go back and

668
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.599
measure nothing like that. But I
worked in construction for years, my whole

669
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:58.800
teenage and adult life, and I
just I know measurements, you know.

670
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:00.880
And she was three and a half
her foor four feet tall. And when

671
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:07.239
she lunged, you know, when
something throws their hands forward and jumps,

672
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.920
they're gonna be long anyway, because
I've actually i've seen a wildcat, you

673
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:15.639
know, a mountain lion a mid
person before. And it was running next

674
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:19.360
to a vehicle that I was in
on this cornfield and it was amazing,

675
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.960
you know, from maybe four hundred
yards away, I thought it was a

676
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:27.559
fawn, you know, and then
as we got closer and I saw it

677
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.000
was a mountain lion, the guy
driving wanted to get as close as he

678
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:35.039
could to it. And as this
thing was running the vertices that it was

679
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.960
reaching, it was amazing. You
know. It was like a horizon.

680
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:42.719
It was like a perfect flat line
with its legs thrown out in its back

681
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.119
legs and its tailed behind it.
So even I mean a mountain lion,

682
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:47.360
it's not even a portion of the
size of what this thing was. But

683
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:51.079
no matter what, if you're lunging
like that, you're gonna look long.

684
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:58.400
But she she lived a long you
know. And I wish I could have

685
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.800
seen her stand up, just to
be able to truly gauge the height in

686
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:05.360
the size, you know, But
I didn't get a look at that at

687
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:13.400
all. So the camp the campground
sounds very interesting. He says, about

688
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.480
two hundred feet long. It was
cleared out. Were there any buildings or

689
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:22.400
anything around the area. Yeah,
And so it was probably like two hundred

690
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:27.760
yards long. And it may have
been longer because really, when I we've

691
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.280
showed up, I didn't take like
a mental like, oh okay, this

692
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:37.119
the camp site is two hundred yards
long. I just as that sound occurred,

693
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:40.920
you know, and the initial one, the initial whoop, that was

694
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.519
I would say one hundred and fifty
yards behind us, that being at the

695
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:52.039
northwest corner of the camp site.
It could have been further, but I

696
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:55.519
would say the camp site was about
two hundred yards long. There. Surprisingly,

697
00:59:55.519 --> 01:00:00.800
there actually was a stone, you
know, like a brick and mortar

698
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:07.440
bathroom really close to our site.
We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after

699
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:15.519
these words from our sponsors. I
didn't happen to use it, but there

700
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:20.400
was that building. There also were
some houses sort of skirting in and out

701
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:27.960
of the sort of outskirts of the
of the state forest, which you know,

702
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:32.000
when we left, I just thought, man, some day I might

703
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:36.079
have to go knock on some doors
and say, how are you living here?

704
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:39.360
Because I know you're getting bothered at
night. I just absolving at that

705
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:45.719
place, the brick and mortar building, what corner of the camp site was

706
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:50.840
out on was an hour so in
the southeast corner, the southeast corner.

707
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.920
Okay, so you were hearing,
you're experiencing everything on the opposite side of

708
01:00:53.920 --> 01:01:01.320
the campsite. Then, yeah,
so that initial call and actually if I

709
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.440
can kind of correspond with you with
like over a map at some point,

710
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:10.159
but there's there's a really big pond
actually down to the west of that northwest

711
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.880
corner, and I'm just guessing,
but this thing that vocalized initially, I

712
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:21.639
would assume came up maybe from that
pond. But so that was all from

713
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:27.239
the northwest corner coming down to us. And then in the southeast corner diagonally

714
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.800
to our right in the woods,
this thing knocking was in the southeast corner.

715
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:35.360
And then also this thing coming up
in the ravine a little bit diagonally

716
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:43.639
to our left, I should say
too. So this is just because I'm

717
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.320
thinking about it, and I've thought
about it so many times now. I

718
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:52.159
think everyone who listens to the Sierra
Sound or has had their own experiences,

719
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:58.079
even if it's just hearing whoops or
howls or tree knocking and the woods.

720
01:01:58.119 --> 01:02:01.000
You know, people are always wondering, obviously, you know, what form

721
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:06.760
of communication is that? What are
they trying to communicate? And I don't

722
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:08.280
know, you know, even after
having experience, I really don't know.

723
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:15.320
But it's so the initial sounds that
we heard when we were gathering firewood,

724
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:20.599
and I asked my friend, was
that I now know that had to have

725
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:25.519
been this initial thing, this initial
thing that you know, made the noise

726
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:29.280
than hun or fifty yards from us. But so I think what they were

727
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:36.400
doing. I think that one was
privy to us coming in to the forest,

728
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:42.880
and I think what it was doing
was it was centralizing its location to

729
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:50.280
other big foot or sasquatch in the
forest and saying and maybe it was saying,

730
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:52.760
hey, this is where I'm at, Come to me. You know,

731
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:54.400
maybe just with that noise, they
know, oh, maybe we should

732
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:59.639
go into there's something going on.
And then, you know, because as

733
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:06.400
it vocalized again one hundred and fifty
yards behind us and then we got that

734
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.840
tree knock within seconds, it was
almost like they were maybe that was a

735
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.760
response to say, hey, we're
here, you know. And I don't

736
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.039
know if it was saying I've got
eyes on it and there are two of

737
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:20.360
them, or if it was saying
they're two of us. Maybe it has

738
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.760
nothing to do with numbers. I
have no idea, but that's I just

739
01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:28.079
that was something I thought about after, you know, in the sort of

740
01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:32.559
following days when I've been thinking about
this, you know, maybe that's an

741
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:36.719
answer as to what that is.
And I, again, I don't know,

742
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.880
I'm just totally theorizing. I did
do. I did track down some

743
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:46.679
departments over at Wildlife Biologists. Prior
to our call. I talked to each

744
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:50.840
of the phone numbers on the website, just to see if I could get

745
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:54.119
anyone on the phone, and I
asked them a question sort of like,

746
01:03:54.880 --> 01:04:01.559
were there any reports of large creature
bears last week or this week? In

747
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:05.599
the hope not in a long time. So I wanted to kind of like

748
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:11.679
take that out of the picture,
you know, but wow, this is

749
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:17.320
this is incredible. Did you so
you packed up everything and you didn't leave

750
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:24.800
anything, did you? No?
And I I really don't camp as much

751
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:29.679
either, you know. I think
I left the bag, the casing of

752
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:35.400
my chair. I think it's a
navy blue Guidesman chair, and I don't

753
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:39.960
think it has that logo on the
bag. It's just a navy blue bag,

754
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.920
but or like a sleeve bag for
camping chairs. I think I left

755
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:48.199
that, and again, farewell,
you know, I don't I don't care

756
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:53.679
about it at all. But everything
else, I had a really small cooler,

757
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:59.519
my chair and my tent really and
that's all I had. And my

758
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:01.599
friend really just had his chair in
his little tent, you know, And

759
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:14.119
we managed to get it all even
though I would have been just fine.

760
01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:18.840
Is there any chance your friend would
talk to me? I think so.

761
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:27.519
And again I don't know that he
wouldn't want to go on maybe doing it

762
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.840
as like a public kind of thing. Maybe open to it. I don't

763
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.559
know, I'm not, but I'm
definitely not asking him to either. YEA

764
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:43.639
for my pretty much for my records, Yeah, I will absolutely reach out

765
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:46.280
to him and put you guys in
touch. And I really do think that

766
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:50.280
he would be open to talking about
it, because he also, just to

767
01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:56.199
make this even more of a statistical
anomaly, believed wholeheartedly going into this,

768
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:02.440
you know, it's it just makes
it own much stranger to have two people

769
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:10.159
who believe and who aren't going looking
for this for it to happen to them

770
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:14.559
in Central Iowa. I think he'd
be open to it, because he actually

771
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:19.559
that night he's really responsible about you
know, we've we've found some rare species

772
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:28.000
of snakes before, and he reported
that to the DNR. He's seen when

773
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:30.639
someone has done kind of like a
mass dump of littering in a park.

774
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:35.519
He said, I'm calling the DNR. You know, like he's very open

775
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:40.679
to like when things are sort of
a ride naturally, he's fine reaching out

776
01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:43.199
to the DNR. But we were
talking about that that night. He said,

777
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:45.679
I feel like I have to call
the DNR. I don't what if

778
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:49.000
this ripped somebody apart. And I
said, let's just think about that though,

779
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:55.320
because I don't know if I necessarily
want to get tangled up with having

780
01:06:55.320 --> 01:07:00.840
my name involved with I haven't heard
first person, but I've heard over account

781
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:05.760
some you know, reading online and
just hearing people on podcasts where you know,

782
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:10.719
they've they've kind of run into some
intimidation stuff, and they reported this

783
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:15.159
kind of stuff to agencies, you
know, to kind of people really necessarily

784
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.119
interested. Yeah, I don't know
if that would be the case, but

785
01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:19.880
I kind of said, I think
about it before we do that, you

786
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:26.079
know. And but in if I'm
not rambling, you know, if I

787
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.159
can say too, I'm thinking about
this because I'm mentioning what he said.

788
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:34.960
You know, as we were talking
about it that night, I said,

789
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:40.639
can you imagine if this happened to
someone who didn't know, you know,

790
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:44.960
who didn't go into the experience and
knowing what those noises were or could be,

791
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:47.519
didn't know what to do. What
if those two a group of guys

792
01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:53.599
who had been drinking, you know, or or you know, a mother

793
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:58.039
with her children or a family with
with with children there. But I just

794
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:00.960
imagine, you know, these things
whooping in the night or calling out and

795
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:04.920
young men being you know, pisted
drunk or something making noises back at them

796
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:10.480
or yelling back at them, And
I just can't imagine that would go over

797
01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:15.000
well at all, you know,
this thing when it when it yowled at

798
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:20.800
us with that just anger of just
like the deepest just I mean, it

799
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:27.720
was just the meanest thing I've ever
heard. If that was any other predator

800
01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:30.680
that we know about, not just
in North America, but in the entire

801
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:35.800
world, that was any other predator, and I'll say, like even in

802
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:40.199
America, if that was a mountain
lion, a coyote, a wolf,

803
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:47.119
a bear, a raccoon, that
thing would not have stopped vocalizing. It

804
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:51.279
would have kept growling, and it
would have escalated, and it would have

805
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:56.560
come toward us. Even if it
didn't attack us, it would have pushed

806
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.560
us out or come to try to
just get a bite in. They would

807
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.239
have just been in this rage.
There's absolutely no way that any other predator

808
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:09.279
would have just been complacent with Okay, if they're leaving, you know,

809
01:09:09.319 --> 01:09:14.520
that's that's just not how that type
of mind works. This thing. You

810
01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.000
know, they they even if they
didn't plan it for it to happen exactly

811
01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:23.800
this way, they have tactics.
They thought ahead, you know, they

812
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:27.279
they they at least planned ahead.
Even if it didn't go according to their

813
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.000
plan, seems like it did.
But if if they had it their way

814
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.760
completely. I never would have seen
her either, you know, I never

815
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:38.560
would have got a sight on her. None of them exposed themselves besides her.

816
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:43.560
All we heard were the vocalizations.
Didn't see them besides her. My

817
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:45.880
friend didn't even see her, and
I saw her for a flash. You

818
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:50.119
know. It's these things don't want
to be seen, and they were pretty

819
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:57.399
successful atle said a few last questions. Were you under the influence of anything

820
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:01.800
at all that day? No?
Not, not anything, and that could

821
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:10.000
be anything at all. Drink,
so yeah, And I to be honest,

822
01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:15.319
I haven't had a drink since twenty
eighteen. Perfect, I might invite

823
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.800
and other things at times that I
wasn't that day at all. So okay,

824
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:26.039
Perfect, What are the main things
that make you think that it was

825
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:33.199
not a mountain lion? I just
I know that a mountain lion doesn't loop

826
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:39.640
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827
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:47.479
They don't mumble in a way that
sounds like human language. Sometimes,

828
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:53.920
you know, I've heard vocalizations online
where they you know, they especially with

829
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:56.319
their screams, You can say,
man, that sounds like a dying woman,

830
01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:58.680
or that sounds like a which you
know, some people say that,

831
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:04.359
but this thing did match so similarly
at least, so you could have basically

832
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:09.680
taken clips of the Sierra sounds out
and it didn't sound exactly like them,

833
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:13.960
but it was fit within the exact
same genre. So let's say those weren't

834
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:16.600
big foot or sasquatching, the Sierra
sounds, whatever those were, that's what

835
01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:23.079
was pushing us out of that site. You know. I also, you

836
01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:28.159
know, mount lions don't knock on
trees. I don't to my knowledge,

837
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:34.520
I've never heard of any that hunting
packs. And you know this again,

838
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:38.760
if it was a mountain lion,
it was yelling like that at us.

839
01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.960
Even if it didn't attack us and
didn't come right for us, we would

840
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.279
have seen it. You know,
it would have made itself seen because one

841
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:47.359
of the things with big predators is
they say, I'm gonna make myself look

842
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:51.399
as big and mean as possible.
I don't want this prey or this other

843
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:56.319
predator to just hear me. They're
gonna see me. You know, Mountain

844
01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:59.640
minds me this really put their ears
back and they arched their back real big,

845
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:02.600
and or they puff their chest out
and they get that snarl on their

846
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.640
face and they show all their teeth. It's they're very showy in those moments.

847
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:14.680
This thing wasn't doing that. That's
wild man. That is. Lastly,

848
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:19.680
the rock you said it was like
a rock bath house. What geographically,

849
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:28.760
if you can use north south whatever, what corner of the camp ground

850
01:12:29.119 --> 01:12:34.000
campsite was that bath house on that
was super close to us? It was

851
01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:38.800
it was just a bathroom, a
male female bathroom, and it was it

852
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:44.000
was just in the southeast corner there
kind of we stayed on lot three and

853
01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:47.720
it was just right there by us. Okay, so your campsite was the

854
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:54.760
closest one to that rock bath house
thing. Yeah, and I and I

855
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:59.079
it's it's not like it had mason
stone on the outside. It just it's

856
01:12:59.119 --> 01:13:04.960
it was like a cinder sure bathroom. Yeah, I got it. Okay.

857
01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:13.399
I think those are the main questions. If you could and I'm not

858
01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:17.279
a guy that that is that pushes, but if you could reach out to

859
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:24.039
your friend and start that to night
after this call, that would be much

860
01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:27.520
appreciate. I need to talk to
him as quickly as possible while it is

861
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:31.359
still freshened. Absolutely, so yeah, I'll call him as soon as as

862
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:36.359
soon as we wrap up. And
because because I know at least even if

863
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:40.680
he doesn't go through like a super
long thing with you and give you whatever

864
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:44.920
in forty minutes, an hour or
whatever, I know he would at least

865
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:47.760
talk to you. And I know
he'd most likely talked to you on the

866
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:50.960
phone too. I bet he would
go through things with you. Absolutely,

867
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:56.239
that would be great. Red,
Thank you so much for reaching out again.

868
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:04.000
It's definitely another interesting account for Iowa. And if you think of any

869
01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:09.000
of more details, definitely feel free
to send them my way. But thank

870
01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:12.119
you so much. Man, if
you got to go, I promise I'm

871
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:14.279
not gonna keep you even much longer. But I do have a question for

872
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:19.079
you because I always wonder. You
know, the people who who hosts the

873
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:21.960
show them they hear all the accounts, and they hear so many things that

874
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:26.520
you know, the listeners don't hear. And I know you've had some accounts

875
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:31.119
too. And the thing that everyone
always wonders is I wonder if you have

876
01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:40.079
a beat on what you think SASK
watches. So it's it's tricky for me

877
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:46.319
because I've not actually heard or seen
it. Yeah, but I would from

878
01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:54.079
from things I've heard and gathered from
witnesses, I would think we are dealing

879
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:59.720
with an undiscovered great ape. But
I'm also curious, like how you're categorizing

880
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:01.840
it your mind as well, because
you did see it for a bit.

881
01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:11.119
Is it like more of a relative
of us or some great ape in Iowa,

882
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:16.840
or is that something where you're still
working three of yourself? You know?

883
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:26.760
Yeah, I And you know,
I feel like even if someone had

884
01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:30.439
a body, we could obviously study
it. And believe me, I'm sure

885
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:34.520
they've been studied. But yeah,
I think it is so hard to get

886
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:38.439
a true answer. You know,
I don't mean from someone, I just

887
01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:42.359
mean from the thing, So you
know, I yeah, I mean,

888
01:15:42.399 --> 01:15:44.880
I have my theories too, you
know, I don't I don't know,

889
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.560
you know, even from the experiences
I've had, But I don't know.

890
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:55.199
You know, there's so many different
species in the fossil record that could have

891
01:15:55.520 --> 01:16:00.600
become this. There are so many
species that never made it or will make

892
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:04.840
it to the fossil record. This
could be something that in a you know,

893
01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:10.119
historic sense, or I guess I
shouldn't say historic, more of you

894
01:16:10.159 --> 01:16:14.039
know, lithic and biologic sense,
we just might not be aware of what

895
01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:17.439
it ever was and has become.
You know, there's you know, they

896
01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:21.640
seem to have these longer lens you
know than us, these really long arms

897
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:28.399
kind of like a we study like
the skeletal systems of austral epiphoscens usually have

898
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:30.920
kind of longer arms and just sort
of shorter legs. And you know,

899
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:35.800
austral Epiphocenes were pretty pretty damn small. You know, they were very short

900
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:41.279
and didn't walk around with a lot
of weight to them. But you know,

901
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:44.880
austral Ephphocens lived four million to a
million years ago that we know of,

902
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.640
so that's a long time to change, you know, from them to

903
01:16:47.680 --> 01:16:51.640
know, and you know, they
became so many things too. You know,

904
01:16:54.479 --> 01:16:58.199
Parenthropis also wasn't that big to sometimes
people throw that around, and that

905
01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:01.840
lived I think also or you to
one million years ago. And and I

906
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:05.640
don't think they found any of their
fossil records outside of Africa to my knowledge,

907
01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:12.079
but who knows, you know.
I mean the when people talk about

908
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:18.079
gigant Epithecus and Buringia, you know, the to my knowledge, the last

909
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:24.600
gigant Epithecus we know of existed two
hundred thousand years ago. I think they

910
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:29.600
have done some analysis on one of
the chief that they've found. I think

911
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:33.399
there's like maybe an allowance to where
it may have existed one hundred thousand years

912
01:17:33.439 --> 01:17:38.399
ago, and that's just from fossil
record. I don't think that's just completely

913
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:45.000
black and white by any means.
But there were so many glacial occurrences during

914
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:48.760
the Place to See, you know, which existed for two and a half

915
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:56.720
million years that epic. There were
sixteen or seventeen glacial episodes to my knowledge,

916
01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:00.760
so Beringia could have been exposed over
a dozen times. You know that

917
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:08.159
that gives you know, ample time
for different things to come over. I

918
01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:17.159
mean there were there were bipedal apes
and a sense comedians and southeast Europe seven

919
01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:30.119
million years ago, you know,
Grecopithecus was really that that was to to

920
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:35.960
what we know. You know,
that shared ancestry with the Homo genus,

921
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:44.520
but not with chimps. So in
a sense, Grecopithecus is one of the

922
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:50.960
oldest, if not the oldest,
original human representations, at least not in

923
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:57.119
the human lineage since the human and
chimpanzee split them. And that existed in

924
01:18:57.159 --> 01:19:00.119
Europe, you know, seven million
years ago. So I just don't think

925
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:11.439
people want to maybe accept or at
least here the diversity of you know,

926
01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:16.800
hominan and hominid species that have existed
over the last you know, seven eight

927
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:23.640
million years, so who knows,
you know, and wild that's wild it

928
01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:28.520
is because wilder than that too.
But I uh, man, I feel

929
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.319
like I'm keeping it so I don't
want to keep going into it. But

930
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:35.640
maybe another time, well we'll go
through different theories or something. It's the

931
01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:41.960
cool thing, right is it's not
just this one thing that that you've had

932
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:47.479
happened to you. You got some
some cool things that have come to you.

933
01:19:47.680 --> 01:19:53.800
But right, thank you so much
for hanging out. Just if you'd

934
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:56.319
be able to reach out, try
to reach out to your friend tonight,

935
01:19:56.359 --> 01:20:00.880
that would be much appreciated so that
things could just start one that would be

936
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:05.960
great. I'll call him right now, and would you rather me connect to

937
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:11.319
you guy? He's on Instagram.
I can connect you over Instagram. I

938
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:13.880
could give him your number if you're
comfortable with that. I don't know if

939
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:15.359
you give that out very much.
Just give him my number, tell me

940
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.720
and I'll do it. Yeah,
we'll do yeah, perfect man. And

941
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:25.960
I think just you know, we
uh, I don't know you've been an

942
01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:30.000
iwell guy and being so open and
you know, such a great platform for

943
01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:32.279
so many people to just be able
to talk about this. I think that'll

944
01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:35.920
go a long way with him.
So fantastic. Thanks so much, frett

945
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:40.800
Is. Great chatting with you.
We'll be in touch. Okay, Yeah,

946
01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:46.359
thanks man, I appreciate it.
You're a big for Society. Article

947
01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:51.680
is to provide a platform for those
that have encountered big Foot to share their

948
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:57.800
encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story.

949
01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:02.079
If you've experienced something that you just
can't explain, please send me an

950
01:21:02.079 --> 01:21:09.439
email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot
com. Then we can start the conversation.

951
01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:14.399
And I know a lot of you
have not shared your encounter at all.

952
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:18.239
It's been twenty years and it's time
that you get this off your chest

953
01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:21.920
and then you can get some well
deserved for rest, because I know you

954
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:28.239
haven't been sleeping. I understand what
you're going through and I appreciate every one

955
01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:28.920
of you listening