“We were chased out of the Iowa woods by four Bigfoot”

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah b Iron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquats in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early an ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show. Thank you for reaching out. I'm really interested in this area. I always have this on my radar and so when you approached me about it, I was like, oh, this is really interesting. So yeah, I'd love to hear what happened to you guys. Yeah, uh, you know, I got I gotta apologize too. I'm not I'm not so nervous to you know, to speak to you in you know this general sense of you know, possibly being on the podcast or whatever it may be. But just uh you know, this happened from the seventeenth, so just Thursday. So I think I don't know, I might have to take a couple of beat breaths every once in a while just because it happened so recently. So I'll just apologize now for

1:30 that. So yeah, yeah, my friend and I who has happened to We we get out all the time, mostly in Iowa, but sometimes in some surrounding states, and we go arroway hunting, and you know, we look for aggets and jud's and things like that. And I go fishing quite a bit. And every month the year of the year, even in Iowa, you know, when it's ten degrees out or zero degrees that I'm usually outside even you know, whether I'm ice fishing or you know, sometimes you got to break through the ice for the gids. But we're always out there.

2:15 And so I've had some interesting experiences and I've I've heard and seen tons of different types of wildlife. I've also traveled all around the United States and I've seen, you know, pretty much any kind of megafona you can see, I've heard them. So last Thursday, my friend and I had planned to go to central Iowa, where we knew there was a certain deposit elithic shelf of certain chirt material that occurs, and it occurs that they and then it also occurs in northeast Missouri. So we were going to camp in that general area Thursday night, and then we were going to go down to northeast Missouri on Friday, and we were kind of arrowhead hunting along the Des Moines River as we were making our way to central Iowa. We're going to stay in the just south of Iowa, and I actually had never been over there.

3:30 I've been to a lot of places in Iowa, and you know, very rural Iowa as well, but I've never been over by. But so because we were stopping at so many different places along the Des Moines River on our way there, we didn't actually pull into the until probably eight twenty eight thirty. So it was twilight when we came in, and there's no electricity run through it, so it's black at night and it was just dark. And as we were driving through the forest we actually came in, there are a few entrances you can go into this forest. We came in on the south side, and we made our way kind of just due north through this certain tract, and I know there are several campgrounds you can stand, but we stayed in one that was you know, I sent you the map of it that we stayed in one that's kind of like at the north central position in the forest. So when we pulled in, you know, it's it's twilight and there's a little bit of light left, but that light in the sky when you're in a forest is there's not much you know that you've got seventy foot trees that are just black surrounding you. And in this area in Iowa and looks like the driftless area, a lot of really rolling, beautiful

5:03 rolling hills and deep ravines and when there is woods, when there is forest, it's thick. For Iowa at least a lot of forest, and woods in Iowa really are just kind of remnant forest along rivers where farmers never tilt. They have a lot of really deep ravines and kind of gulch is almost some pretty nice little hills. So when we first rolled into the park or the forest, I should say, we found the camp ground that we liked. We hadn't planned it out to her. We wanted to stay in that exact campground we'd kind of knew we'd play it by air, and we didn't figure there would be many people, if any, since it was a Thursday night, it was kind of hot and it was so remote. But so as we drove through the forest, we didn't happen to see any other vehicles or any other campers, and in this specific camp site there there was no one else staying. So I left my vehicle running for the first ten minutes that we got there to fill out the kind of camping information, the little tag you fill out for your site, and then to set up. We had two tents. My friend packed with just a one person pop up tent, and I foolishly brought a six person ten. I have a four person ten as well, but my wife was using that at the state fair.

6:33 She went and she stayed with her parents there. So we set up the tents, we get the fire going, and it's you know, it's probably ten or fifteen minutes of us doing that. I shut the car off and the lights off, and it's it's pretty well dark by now. There's not much of twilight at all left. It's to my recollection too. There was no moon that night, and I at least I never happened to see one. So after we get the fire going, we we both took our flashlights, which again I usually camp with a mag flashlight that has just like an unbelievable amount of women's power to it. I sent that with my wife though, so I just had my phone flashlight. We were going around this campsite, which it's probably it's it's a cleared area that's probably two hundred yards long one hundred and fifty yards long by seventy or eighty yards wide, and the whip certainly varies throughout the camp site, and we were staying in the southeast corner. But so we made our way around with our phone flashlights and we're just grabbing twigs and branches that had fallen, and we were checking the other fire rings to see if anyone had left any logs when they put their fire

8:05 out, And actually most of the firings still had grass growing at them. So I don't think people camp at this Maybe they don't even camping very much, and maybe there's a reason, you know, but they may just not camp at this particular site very much. So when we were setting up the tent and getting the fire going, I heard a pack of coyotes maybe a half mile out, maybe a quarter mile away from us to the northwest. And I don't know that this really plays into the story, but I'll mention it. We heard them for maybe ten minutes, and they kind of quieted down. They may have moved off to where I couldn't hear them, or they may have just stopped making their noise. But I was at the northwest corner of this entire campsite, looking at the fire rings and then looking for fallen trees and branches, and probably a quarter mile off I heard four consecutive sounds that I just couldn't place. They were really loud, but they were pretty far off, and I could tell it came from something big. But I just, you know, I kind of went through the rolodex of animal noises that I know as I heard it, and I couldn't place it.

9:30 So I met back with my friend at our camping site and I said, hey, you know, did you hear that? He said, yeah, I said, with it an elk bugling or something. You know, we don't have elk in Iowa anymore. I think they were hunted out by either the late eighteen hundreds or the early nineteen hundreds. I've certainly seen elk on farms in the state, but I didn't happen to notice any elk farms near us. And this wasn't really an vehgling, it wasn't that noise. I was just trying to maybe even get an answer, knowing my friend wouldn't have the answer, but he kind of laughing on and said, I don't know what that was, man, but I don't think it's now, And we weren't concerned about it. I didn't think about it, so, you know, we find it kind of finished grabbing our our wood around the side, and we then sat by the fire and got it going a little bit.

10:26 But I only brought probably enough fire for now to keep it going until about three or four in the morning. And I wanted to kind of be conservative with the two because I knew it was going to drop down into fifties that night, and if you've ever camped, you know when it gets down to the forties and fifties, it can be miserable, you know, even if you're dressed in layers and everything. So I'd like to keep the fire going when it gets that cold. So we had kind of a small fire going but we were sitting around it. He was to my left, my friend, and I was. I started cooking a broad worst over the fire.

11:13 The way our site is set up, the specific when we were camping at it's probably I mean it's pretty close to the woodline on the southeast corner, and I think we were, you know, maybe ten or fifteen yards away from the tree line. And it's been at this point, probably fifteen point minutes since we heard the coyote. Is kind of quiet down and then those initial four loud noises that we couldn't place. It's it's just pitch black at this point. The stars are kind of starting to come out, but again there's you know, in a forest that night, when the stars are coming out, you can really only see, you know, a pretty select portion of the sky, just because all of the horizon and the drowned up by the trees. So as I'm cooking this broad worstman, you know, I'm talking with my friend, we hear a sound one hundred and fifty yards behind us, diagonally to basically the northwest corner of the entire campsite, and it sounded like it came from you know, an amplifier or a bullhorn or an air horn. It was so unbelievably loud. And if I'm sure if anyone

12:43 does hear this, and even if no one does and it's just you who hears this, I know there's no way you haven't heard it. So I'll just say in the Sierra Sounds at the very beginning, and you know a little bit throughout the recording, you know, they're the sort of howls or the whoops that sound offs in the recording, and it's so distinctive. It's such a distinct noise, that's what we heard. And immediately following that, from that same location, as soon as the whoop died down, there was that garbled of God, I mean, that mumbling chatter, same thing you know that you can you can hear in the Sierra Sounds. And even though I listened to the Sierra Sounds countless times because it's so unbelievably interesting and mind boggling to me, and going into this experience, you know, I fully believe in sasquatch because not only does it make sense even though to it agree it's it's hard to wrap your head around. But I've also had experiences which you know, I've I've reached out to you about recently, but I didn't connect it to that at all, you know, not in the least.

14:15 As soon as I heard that, every hair on my body stood up, just electrically. It was just so unbelievably loud. I've heard elk bugle before. I've heard cows, uh, you know, when the calfs are separated from their mothers and you hear them kind of crying out all night. Or I've heard cows injured too, and the unbelievable volume of their moves that's, you know, unbelievably loud in itself. This just put that to shame. And we had to have been one hundred and fifty yards away from it.

14:56 I could pinpoint exactly where this thing came from. It was. It's just so strange. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. But so even having heard this her it sounds so many times in my life, I still didn't I didn't know what this was. In the first moment or two, you know, I did the human thing again of sort of going through the rolodex in my head of you know, what what was that? What what biological creature? Animal being makes that sound. And I came up with nothing, and I turned to my friend and, you know, still knowing I wouldn't get an answer, but just you know, it's also such a human thing to say, you know what was that or give me an answer. I turned to him and I just said, you know what the hell was that? You know what God's name made that noise?

15:56 And his face was so I've known this guy for years, and I've spent such an amazing amount of time with this guy's a super close friend of mine. I've just never seen him this serious or he had such a grave look on his face, and it was like he knew right away. He said that had to be Bigfoot, and my first reaction, even as a believer, you know, an experiencer, I still said, there's no way, you know, year full way, there's no way. But as soon as he said that, it was like it unlocked. I don't know this this thing in my in my mind, and I immediately remembered the Sierra sounds that and I was able to connect that noise to something I'd actually heard before, and I mean, my heart just sank as as as that sort of set into my head. I'm just the the immediate acceptance almost was terrifying because because we're in the middle of nowhere, it's just so remote. In the middle of nowhere in Iowa is even as believe the forest, there's nothing but agricultural fields around it, you know, other rolling hills, rivers, agricultural fields. So we were so remote, it's just kitch black were surrounded by woods, you know, And I hear this thing that I am realizing is

17:26 bigfoot, and even if it's not, this is unbelievably loud, noise, unbelievably loud. But so some of this had just happened so quickly after this then, so you know, I turned to my friend. I asked, what the hell was that. He says, it's big foot. It sets into me that this is what this is. And then within seconds to our right and probably fifty or sixty feet in front of us, into the tree line, I hear tree knocks. And I've never heard of that before. I've I've told you I've had experiences before, I've gone into pretty detail as to what those experiences were with you, but I've never heard tree knocks before.

18:14 I've never heard vocalizations like this in person. And the tree knocks came in sequences of two. There were three sequences of two, so it was knock knock, knock, knock, knock, and it wasn't like I imagined tree knock would be. I've heard people describe it where it sounds like, you know, someone's taken a Louisville slugger and just slamming it against a tree and going back to the Sierra sounds. You hear that sort of ricocheting ping as these tree knocks are occurring in the recordings. This wasn't like that. This was this is pretty loud, but it was almost like a muffled or a muted knock. I've also heard not just woodpeckers throughout my life, a different species of woodpeckers too, and there's such an unbelievable difference between you know, any kind of a woodpecker. There's this sort of hollow resonance that sounds from their bill as they drill into a tree, and it's they can do slow the sort of bats or of drills into trees as as they're you know, gone around and pecking into the tree. But I've never heard one keep a measured time in this way. And I've also never heard one that sounded

19:45 like this. And I've also never heard of woodpecker at night. I don't I'm not claiming that they don't, you know, make sounds at night, but I've just never heard one. So as soon as we hear that tree, NA off to our kind of diagonally to our right, you know, I turned to my friend again. I say, Okay, we got to get out of here, like right now. You know, we can either pack up or I don't care at this point, we can leave all of our stuff. We got to get out of here because I know what's happening now. You know, there's a call and a response. So we have two of them, and I maybe generally know where they are, but I can't see them. I don't know what they want. I don't know what they're doing. But we also didn't. We didn't go into this experience looking for this at all. You know. I listened to Bigfoot podcasts all the time, I read accounts online all the time. I read historical accounts that seem to be related to big Foot or sasquatch all the time. I don't want to experience them anymore. The idea of you know, running into something like this in the woods or even in a controlled setting, just doesn't I don't want that at all. I know some people want that to learn more

21:15 or just people who haven't experienced it. And I totally get that. I totally understand that. That's now, why went after these woods. I didn't know that they would be out there. I wasn't looking for him. So as my friend and I are having this sort of frantic I don't know, just trying to come to terms, this conversation of you know, what do we do, because even though in my head I knew, hey, we need to leave, it was the strangest saying that we stayed, you know, and I didn't really understand why when I thought about it, and when I talked about it, I told my wife this story probably four times now, and you know, maybe the third or fourth time I told her, she said, it sounds like, you guys, we're experiencing the sort of sensation of being prey. You know, if you imagine a rabbit, they just sit still for so long until the last second and then maybe they bolt, or you know, maybe that's their last second. Maybe they don't ever move and they get, you know, taken by whatever is preying upon them.

22:38 I don't know. We stayed. I can't really explain it. We stayed in our chairs too during, you know, hearing this. I just I don't know. I just couldn't. I couldn't move almost I could, I could move my body around, but I just couldn't bring myself a stand up. And so we shined our phone flashlights into the into the tree line in front of us and behind us as well, and you know, I didn't see anything. My friend didn't see anything. As we're shining our lights around us trying to see anything, diagonally to our left, we hear something moving in the woods and there's a sort of a subtle ravine that gets pretty.

23:30 To be honest, I never went and looked at it before any of this happened while there was still some twilight. Oh sorry, I'm sitting outside on a gravel road and every once in a while there might be a car that passes. I never went and looked at this ravine, but I could kind of see when there was still a bit of light left when we first arrived, that it seemed to go down in a pretty drastic sense, down to a pretty deep bulch diagonal to where I left maybe you know, one hundred two hundred feet off that seemed to be where this movement was coming from.

24:10 That we started to hear and it didn't it didn't last long, but you could hear something moving through the woods on two feet at a very slow cadence, and it was breaking things as it moved. I don't know if it was breaking branches on trees. I don't know if it was breaking things that had already fallen to the forest floor. I've I've heard deer move through the woods. Usually you don't really hear them move through the woods, but if they are, and I sort of lacked the daisical mindset, you can hear them brushing against things. They don't really break things that they moved through the woods. This thing, it just sounded massive, and it just every step that it took you could hear things just cracking break around it. So this just adds to the intensity of all this and the fear. You know, I've had. I've had some pretty wild close calls in my life.

25:15 I used to be pretty careless and reckless and pretty wild as as a younger dude, and I've had some pretty close to near death experiences and if I'm being honest, they're probably near death experiences, things that happened so fast that you don't really realize until a moment after ten moments after, you know, Jesus said, that was pretty close the adrenaline spike I had immediately during this, it was just through the roof. So we're sitting around the fire. We now are aware that there's at least possibly three things surrounding us, and they to be communicating, and they may even be getting closer. We're in a very hushed sense, having this conversation of just constantly saying, what do we do? You know, we need to leave, but again we don't leave. I just can't explain it. And I knew from the just the start of it that we needed to leave. It's just one of those I don't know if it was shocked or what, but it must have been another ten or fifteen minutes of us just sitting looking back and forth in the dark around the fire, every once in a while, shining our flashlights in front

26:47 of us, in the woods behind us, and we just don't see anything within that ten or fifteen minute window of us, you know, sitting and I don't know, waiting to see what happened next. We heard a little bit of movement in the woods agonaling to our right where we heard the tree knocks and agony to the left where we heard this thing moving up, you know, through this ravine. Not much and the movements weren't anything dramatic. We didn't hear anything crashing quickly through the woods, nothing vocalizing, nothing like that. But every time we heard something, it was it was just like a life or death fear, you know, that, you know, spiked the adrenaline all over again, or maybe even higher than before. So after this, I'll say, a fifteen minute window of the initial noise happening behind us one hundred and fifty yards or so at the northwest corner of the site.

27:56 I should say also as we're sitting around the fire on the right, my friend is on my left. Again, we have the woods ten or fifteen yards in front of us, and my vehicle is parked probably twenty feet behind me, and my tent is set up kind of diagonally to the left behind me. I could see around my tent into the clearing, but my and my friend had basically like a perfectly clear view of it. It was it's dark, you know, but with the flash that we could see a little bit of the clearing. So ten or fifteen minutes goes by, and we then here, you know, it wasn't another whoop, but we heard such a loud vocalization that was so fast and so loud that I almost I kind of can't wrap my head around what it was, or I would, I guess I should say, I can't explain how this noise sounded. But this is now fifty feet behind us, to the left, you know, diagonally back to the left, and there's this really big tree that, as I told the story, I said it would look like a cottonwood, but I never saw it in the daylight, and I didn't take the time to try to really see what it was as all this was happening. But it was this big tree kind of back to our left, behind us, and

29:26 that seemed to be in the moment where this noise came from. So there's this an unbelievably loud vocalization, and then it's followed by a sequence of three other vocalizations that all happened within such a fast succession that I can't imagine there was even a moment for this thing to take a breath, which tells me the lung capacity on whatever is doing this must be just unbelievable. So we hear this, you know, this unbelievably loud vocalization behind us fifty feet back. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors, which then goes to more of that garbled what people call samurai chatter. And this was kind of on the higher end. It wasn't that low, really basy, like really guttural chatter. This was really it was so fast and there were just so many accents, and it just and and I say high pitched, even though it was high pitched for what I've heard in the samurai chatter for a human being. This was high pitched. But as soon as this is probably two two and a half a second sort of chatter of vocalization

30:56 happens and then immediately goes at into this just like this just nightmarish yowls. It sounded like what a mountain lion does that really mad territorial. Yeah, I'll sound like an idiot doing it, but just sounds it's that really low pissed off, like get out of here. That territorial just mean mean vocalization that they do, but this was, I mean, a mountain lion doesn't have anything on this vocalization. This would have had to be the size of a rhinoceros making, you know, if a mountain lion was nine hundred pounds or something. It was just so so loud, and after that vocalization there was more chatter that it did. And all of this was continuous. It was basically all one vocalization, but it was those four different things happening back to back. But so when we initially heard that loud yell or whatever it was, we both jumped out of our seats because and it was one of those things where I don't know that I've I've jumped a million times out of fear in my life, but I don't know that I've ever truly jumped.

32:24 You know. My body might have you know, arked before, or I may have been scared up from something, but I jumped out of my seat truly, And as the following, you know, the sort of successions of vocalizations came after that. It's all within seconds of me turning around into the dark and my friend who's to my left, and this my tent is not impeding upon on his view of this thing or whatever it may be. You know. It's what I'm trying to say, is I think this thing was using infrasound because the way my friend has described this to me, as we've talked it out that entire night and the entire next day, the way he describes it as even louder than I'm telling you now, and I'm sitting you're saying it sounded like the biggest mountain lion, you know, eight times the size of a mountain lions. He thought it was even louder than that.

33:35 And as we're turning around in the dark, he almost half, like half said the word mountain lion. He didn't even say a full sentence. It was almost like he just said pound lion. And then he said she's coming right for us. And when he said that, I'm looking ahead in the dark where this noise is coming from. I'm sort of turning toward it. I can't see whatever it is, even with the sort of backlighting of the fire. I'm just looking into this empty space. Basically, when he said that, it felt like every one of my innerds, you know, my heart down to my intestines just dropped into my pelvis. It was the most sinking feeling I've ever felt in my life. And as I as I told my wife the story is, you know, one of the times I told her, I realized what that was and I just broke down crime When I was telling her it was a subconscious acceptance of you know, you're going to die in this moment, and before my brain could accept that, my body accepted it. Hearing vocalization and me assuming what this was, and then hearing

35:05 my friends saying she's coming right for us, that combination was just the perfect combination of something in my body saying Okay, you're gonna die, and you know, a second later as she's by the way, as I'm saying, she this is something and experiences usually sometimes people see you know, Jenitalia, they'll see a male and they'll say, oh, that was a male, or they'll see females. I'll say that was female. I did get a look at this thing eventually, but it wasn't a good enough look where I can give an amazing description of what I saw. By any means, when I'm saying female, it's totally just something a sensation. It could have been a male I don't know, but it and my friends who immediately said she's coming right for us, so he immediately felt that it was a female too, So I'll just say that it was a female, but I don't know.

36:04 We both sort of got our phones that at the same time and turn the flashlights on. And as we did this, the vocalization stops and we see nothing. There's nothing in front of us, you know. We look over at the tree, we're scanning all around with our lights. There's nothing. And it's so mind boggling. My adrenaline is like non existent right now. It's so through the roof. I feel like there's just a mountain of adrenaline above me. Even I'm just so unbelievably freaked out. And I turned to my friend and I say, we gotta get out of here, you know, leave your tent. I don't care about it. I'm leaving my tent. Maybe I'll come back in the morning. I don't care if I receive again. We're also now hearing behind us these two things that we are supposing here in the woods that we're in front of us, you know, doing the wood knocks and walking through the ravine. We're hearing them move through the woods now, and again it's not this dramatic crashing through the woods.

37:01 It's this sure step, as though these things are just I don't know if they've been through it a million times, and it's like a it was like a trained thing. It was like a Navy seal tactic. You know. They just were moving in the dark with sure steps, letting us know we're coming in closer. They weren't. They weren't hiding it because this thing that vocalized behind us, behind us, she snuck all the way either around the tree line or she cut right through the open campsite for one hundred and twenty thirty yards and we didn't hear her at all, you know, not at all. The only reason we knew she was there because she screamed at us.

37:45 So we're constantly turning around in the three sixty now with our lights trying to see if she's there, trying to see if these two are in the woods. And then I should say two. I really think that there were four because I think the initial vocalization that we heard it just sounded so male, and it just sounded so different from the vocalization we heard that was you know, fifty feet behind us. Again, I can't scientifically say, hey, I know that there were four of these creatures there. It's it's, you know, with so many of these experiences, it's, uh, you have to just sort of go off of your senses. And that's hard too, because in you know, when you have so much adrenaline and it's dark and you're in this fight or flight mindset, your senses are almost unreliable.

38:43 So as we're spinning around with our flashlights, you know, trying to see these things, not seeing anything, my friend starts breaking his tent down, and I'm yelling at him at this point, you know, I'm like, man, lead your tent. You know, who cares about that? We have to leave now. These things are trying to get us the hell out of here. I'm leaving all my stuff. And my friend is just so bullheaded though that he was saying, no, man, I'm not leaving this ten. You know, I paid whatever X amount of money for I'm taking it. And he folds his tent up and and he starts doing it to mine too, and I just said, you know, we gotta leave this, you know, And and it's it's one of those things again where I didn't just get in my car and say get in, we're leaving. I don't know. It was like I was letting circumstance just play out, and I was just kind of in the passenger seat, which is terrible in these kind of situations. You know, you as a as an adult and as a man with testosterone, and you know someone who's experienced wild things, and you think that in the moment, you'll act and you'll say, oh, I know what I would do, you know, and I'm I'm going to do it right now. I think we should get out of here. I'm getting out of here. But that just was completely out the window. So as he's breaking my tent down, which again is a six person, massive, stupid, clunky tent and the poles always get stuck at the top and

40:15 the little sleeves that have for the poles, I'm shining my light still on that tree, where I assume this vocalization came from my friend, who is breaking the tent down, keeps shining his light up. You know, he's shining it at the tent, and then he'll shine it up. He's shining it down at the tent and he'll shine it up. You know, at the tree line and all around us too. At some point he shines off kind of back toward behind my car while I'm shining my light at that big tree where I think this vocalization has come from. And that's when I saw her. My friend did not see her. I saw her. She was there the whole time, and we didn't see her because she was so unbelievably black. I'm talking about blacker than a shadow, blacker than anything else.

41:16 I just thought it was part of the night. I thought it was. I thought of the tree stump. Honestly. I've heard people say that in podcasts so many times, you know, when they're going through their experience. You know, I thought the same, a tree stump, and I believe that when I heard it. But I just my mind couldn't wrap around how how can someone think this, you know, big bulky, hairy thing, even if it's squatted down, it could be a tree stump. But it just you, your mind can't in the moment calculator even except that that something that big is an organic, biological thing. I've got another car passing something to be quiet for say, So, the only reason I saw her is because she moved. She was on all fours, and on all fours she was three and a half or four feet tall, which is just that's that unbelievable thing to think about. That's something that's not a quadruped, something that's not this big, you know, moose or a rhinocerous as I said earlier, or something like that, something that you know generally moves around on two feet could be down on all fours and be four feet tall. So as

42:47 I'm shutting my flashlight at her, she threw her hands forward. From a sort of squatting position with all fours, she threw her hands forward and lunged into the tree line. When she did this, I yelped. Basically, I probably sounded like a twelve year old. This just yelp of fear escaped me. I grabbed my friend's shirt and I said, did you see it? Did you see that? And he said no, where where were? And I think that he thought that it was again coming at us, So he got freaked out again, you know, even more so, I said, she just bolted into the tree line. And that's when I sort of just turned into a mode where I said, I don't care. We're getting out of here, you know, and I took my pocket knife and I just cut the sort of the cordage between the tent poles because we couldn't get goddamn tent poles through the top of the tent, so I just cut it, and I pulled it, and I just tore the hell out of the top of my tent. And I even looking back, I don't care at all. I just don't care. But I have to say when when this thing moved, she was faster than anything I've ever seen. And again, when I hear that in experiences, my mind always goes to speed. But

44:20 I now know when people are talking about these things moving faster than anyone could imagine, they're not just talking about speed. They're talking about agility. This massive, massive thing, as she lunged forward, she moved faster than any Olympic athlete I've ever seen do any attempt at any sport, Faster than any kind of wildcat pouncing or running after its prey, more agile than anything I've ever seen in my life. It was like a flash. And I don't mean just that she was gone in a flash, but she just took off in a flash. It just knew like nothing I've ever seen before. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And the unbelievable thing about it was not just the speed, but I did not hear her land. I didn't hear her land in the woods at all, bolted, you know, with her hands forward. And if that happens, you know, if an object moves forward, it stops moving. You know, she had to land. But I didn't hear a leaf, nothing, and these things are still moving behind us in the woods. So that was finally just seeing her and seeing her do that. That was finally when you know,

45:50 the thing clicked over in my head and it just said, okay, here's your answer, final belief. And I you know, I cut the cords on the tent poles, we pull them through, just through everything in the back of my vehicle, and uh, I mean I sped out of there so fast that I almost went into the ditch twice just leaving the forest. And as that happened, you know, again the adrenaline is just skyrocket and thinking if you go into the ditch or you're done, you know, you're not walking out of here. And I don't have a vehicle with four wheel drive, so I'm not I'm not getting out of there, so I keep it on the road, and you know, we get it out of there, and that's the experience in a sense. But what a lot of people don't get to talk about, I don't think is the immediate after, you know, the moments, the minutes, and the hours after the experience.

46:45 We're we're two and a half hours away from my house in Central Iowa. Immediately I drove up and just to be in some sort of town. But it's like ten oh eight, I think, because I called my wife immediately as we're leaving a part and barely explained it, and I just said, hey, I just had this terrible experience. And I said, please don't laugh at me, like, please, dear God, don't laugh at me, because she knows how how close I am to the subject, you know, And I've ben told her about some of the experiences that I've had. I shouldn't say experiences, as though I've had so many, you know, but I had, you know, pretty a pretty affecting experience when I was a kid, and I told her about that, and she, uh, I don't know, I just I think I just wanted to be taken seriously immediately because I was still so close to it. So I called her and it was only too many conversations. She said, no, I'm I'm sorry, you know, I'm sorry to happen. Then there are you okay?

47:49 And I believe you know, I said, yeah, I'm fine, and we just gotta I try to tell somebody, you know. And but we were going to figure this out, you know. And so my friend I drive into Lucas, which is three four minutes away, and you know, the whole town is a sleep by ten. There's hardly any lights on at all in the town. You know. The street lights are also just kind of pitiful there. It's it's just so dark that I kind of think, you know, as we're driving through the town, I think, no one of these things, you know, kind of just here. There's just no there's nothing going on, you know. And so then my friend might drive around for a while, and we were just saying, what do we do? You know, I'm not going to go get a hotel or something, you know, and I'm not going to camp somewhere else. My friend was kind of saying we should go camp down at a lake a little east of where we were at and I just sitt in no way, man, you know, so am camping to night, and we basically got into a pretty pretty sweet argument over it. And I love this dude, you know, and I just went through something insane with them. But we just weren't thinking right, you know. And but I wound up driving two and a half hours back to my place and we didn't get into until two twenty at night, and I was just dead tired after that from all these adrenaline spikes, because the adrenaline spike doesn't go down now, it didn't go down, and the car until we'd been driving for an hour and an hour and a half, because you know, we're just trying to make sense of this thing.

49:21 And I realized in the car too at some point, I think pretty quickly that I was so so unbelievably thankful that I had someone there with me, for one, because I don't think these things would have come into our site or done what they did had there been other campers there. I think it was all perfect, and that we showed up basically at night. I had the car run for a little while, I had the lights on. We're walking around the camp site with our flashlights and stuff, and I think these things just said, hey, you know what's this, We better check this out. If we had gone there and set up our tents during the day, that might not have happened, because they may have taken their looks or their peaks from the woods during the day and said, it's just these two guys camping. Who cares, you know? And who knows, maybe would have moved on. Maybe they don't want people that. I have no idea, but I was so thankful I had somebody with me because I felt not safer, but I felt like maybe it didn't escalate any further because there were two of us, and because we got out of there when we did.

50:42 But also because no matter what, no matter how many times I tell this story in my life, and it doesn't matter who I'm telling it to, whether I'm telling it to the host of a podcast you know that's specifically about Bigfoot, whether I tell it to my best friend, my brothers, my mother and father and my wife, my kids, whatever, no one can fully believe me to just the nth degree. And they also, I can't deliver over the noises that we heard, the fear that I felt, the thing that I saw, even if I tell the story perfectly, I can't deliver that over because no one else was there to experience it except for my friend. And so I, at least in my life, have someone who was there and he knows exactly what happened. And even though we both still I know our minds are just blown us to what did happen, he at least was there and he experienced it with me. And sometimes when I hear people who have these experiences that are like mine or even much worse, more violent, more terrifying than mine, and they're all alone and they don't have anyone else, even other experiencers, they don't have anyone else who experienced that exact thing with them. I think that is absolutely tragic, and I just feel so fortunate that even though that happened, I had my friend there with me, I had someone who experienced it with me, and I don't

52:15 know, I think that at least is some kind of I can take some kind of solace from that, you know. So that's really the account, the experience as it as it happened. Red, thank you for sharing that. That's that is incredible. That's probably the most incredible Iowa account I've ever heard in five years. That's wild, dude. Do you mind if I ask you a few questions that I wrote down? Oh not at all. Man, I'm I'm here, so I'm you know, I'm fine with anything. These might seem really random. But so, what time exactly do you think you were cooking the brat worst? I know that it was past nine, it was probably so the window really is like, Let's say, I imagine we got there at eight thirty and we bolted out of there just after ten, so we're there for an hour and forty minutes. Let's say I bet it was like nine o'clock or maybe nine thirty. You know, it's because these I know, those are the parameters when we when we got in and when we left. I know because I looked at my o'clock on my vehicle when we pulled in, and I think it was like eight twenty something, a twenty eight something like that. And then I know when we left

53:46 just because I looked at my phone to call my wife. But you know, as I'm talking about these sort of intervals of time, I think, just because my adrenaline has spiked the whole time too, they may have been shorter. They may have been longer in between certain things happening. But it's almost hard for me to wrap my mind around, like, were we really sitting there for thirty minutes after the initial sound? Were we sitting there for twenty five minutes? Because that's almost more unbelievable, you know, for us to sit there that long through that. But so I bet I was cooking it. I know I was doing an after nine please, but it may have been nine thirty. Or is there any other food involved? No?

54:30 I I had some other food, but I wasn't cooking anything and nothing pungent. Really when I camp, I don't, I don't bring anything to eccentric. I think I had some apples, some canned food and the like, a couple of broths and just like regular type rot worst, nothing out of the ordinary. Yeah, yeah, I think there are those lighter colored, like kind of terribly gray broths that you know. And it sounds like there wasn't anything recorded, no audio recorded, anything like that happened so quick and emotions were high. Yeah, and actually that I didn't know who I would tell about this. I knew I had to tell people just because I had such an anxiety and made the next couple of days after this that, you know, as I'm constantly trying to quit smoking, and I've quit for intervals of two years, three years, but I just always go back to it.

55:30 And I had been in kind of an interval of not smoking, but now I smoked two packs of two days. I was so stressed out, and you know, as I'm trying to find like, you know, I'm actually scrolling through my own saying, I m could tell about this, but I want to tell my parents. And you know, I let my parents and I told them some wild stuff, but I just I don't know. I didn't imagine i'd ever tell them. But as I told my mom, she said she recorded, and I didn't think about until you know, I must have seen her Saturday, and this happened Thursday night, So I didn't think about that until Saturday and she asked me, and I just said no, like not a second, no photos, no recording, nothing, you know, And I just never even in the interval of me looking at my friend for whatever fifteen twenty thirty minutes, you're just saying we need to leave.

56:22 What do we do? I never was like, hey, we should record this. And again I'm someone who's been interested in this my entire life basically. Sure. Yeah, yeah, it's a thing where you know, you never know how you're going to act until you're in this situation. Right, Yeah, let's see. Did so it sounded like you did not see the face of the creature? Then? No, not, And so when I saw her, I didn't realize again that I was even looking at her until she moved. But so I didn't even actually moved her hands out and go forward. I didn't even hardly make out fingers. It happened so fast, and it was just so dark and so black. I could tell, you know, I could see arms extend, and then I could see the sort of shape of the butt and the legs hunkered down, and her torso and everything. But then it just as she took out, I didn't see any features at all on her face. Did you get a sin this is tricky. Did you get a sense for how tall the creature was? It looked it sounds like it was just lunging. You saw it on all fours and then I lunged forward. Yeah, And I'd be totally making something up or lying if I said I think she was eight feet taller. I think because I just don't know. I do know that she had to have been three and a half or four feet tall. And I didn't go back and measure nothing like that. But I worked in construction for years, my whole

57:54 teenage and adult life, and I just I know measurements, you know. And she was three and a half her foor four feet tall. And when she lunged, you know, when something throws their hands forward and jumps, they're gonna be long anyway, because I've actually i've seen a wildcat, you know, a mountain lion a mid person before. And it was running next to a vehicle that I was in on this cornfield and it was amazing, you know, from maybe four hundred yards away, I thought it was a fawn, you know, and then as we got closer and I saw it was a mountain lion, the guy driving wanted to get as close as he could to it. And as this thing was running the vertices that it was reaching, it was amazing. You know. It was like a horizon.

58:38 It was like a perfect flat line with its legs thrown out in its back legs and its tailed behind it. So even I mean a mountain lion, it's not even a portion of the size of what this thing was. But no matter what, if you're lunging like that, you're gonna look long. But she she lived a long you know. And I wish I could have seen her stand up, just to be able to truly gauge the height in the size, you know, But I didn't get a look at that at all. So the camp the campground sounds very interesting. He says, about two hundred feet long. It was cleared out. Were there any buildings or anything around the area. Yeah, And so it was probably like two hundred yards long. And it may have been longer because really, when I we've showed up, I didn't take like a mental like, oh okay, this the camp site is two hundred yards long. I just as that sound occurred, you know, and the initial one, the initial whoop, that was I would say one hundred and fifty yards behind us, that being at the northwest corner of the camp site. It could have been further, but I would say the camp site was about two hundred yards long. There. Surprisingly, there actually was a stone, you know, like a brick and mortar bathroom really close to our site. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. I didn't happen to use it, but there

1:00:15 was that building. There also were some houses sort of skirting in and out of the sort of outskirts of the of the state forest, which you know, when we left, I just thought, man, some day I might have to go knock on some doors and say, how are you living here? Because I know you're getting bothered at night. I just absolving at that place, the brick and mortar building, what corner of the camp site was out on was an hour so in the southeast corner, the southeast corner. Okay, so you were hearing, you're experiencing everything on the opposite side of the campsite. Then, yeah, so that initial call and actually if I can kind of correspond with you with like over a map at some point, but there's there's a really big pond actually down to the west of that northwest corner, and I'm just guessing, but this thing that vocalized initially, I would assume came up maybe from that pond. But so that was all from the northwest corner coming down to us. And then in the southeast corner diagonally to our right in the woods, this thing knocking was in the southeast corner.

1:01:31 And then also this thing coming up in the ravine a little bit diagonally to our left, I should say too. So this is just because I'm thinking about it, and I've thought about it so many times now. I think everyone who listens to the Sierra Sound or has had their own experiences, even if it's just hearing whoops or howls or tree knocking and the woods. You know, people are always wondering, obviously, you know, what form of communication is that? What are they trying to communicate? And I don't know, you know, even after having experience, I really don't know. But it's so the initial sounds that we heard when we were gathering firewood, and I asked my friend, was that I now know that had to have been this initial thing, this initial thing that you know, made the noise than hun or fifty yards from us. But so I think what they were doing. I think that one was privy to us coming in to the forest, and I think what it was doing was it was centralizing its location to other big foot or sasquatch in the forest and saying and maybe it was saying, hey, this is where I'm at, Come to me. You know, maybe just with that noise, they know, oh, maybe we should go into there's something going on. And then, you know, because as it vocalized again one hundred and fifty yards behind us and then we got that

1:03:06 tree knock within seconds, it was almost like they were maybe that was a response to say, hey, we're here, you know. And I don't know if it was saying I've got eyes on it and there are two of them, or if it was saying they're two of us. Maybe it has nothing to do with numbers. I have no idea, but that's I just that was something I thought about after, you know, in the sort of following days when I've been thinking about this, you know, maybe that's an answer as to what that is. And I, again, I don't know, I'm just totally theorizing. I did do. I did track down some departments over at Wildlife Biologists. Prior to our call. I talked to each of the phone numbers on the website, just to see if I could get anyone on the phone, and I asked them a question sort of like, were there any reports of large creature bears last week or this week? In the hope not in a long time. So I wanted to kind of like take that out of the picture, you know, but wow, this is this is incredible. Did you so you packed up everything and you didn't leave anything, did you? No? And I I really don't camp as much either, you know. I think I left the bag, the casing of my chair. I think it's a navy blue Guidesman chair, and I don't think it has that logo on the bag. It's just a navy blue bag,

1:04:40 but or like a sleeve bag for camping chairs. I think I left that, and again, farewell, you know, I don't I don't care about it at all. But everything else, I had a really small cooler, my chair and my tent really and that's all I had. And my friend really just had his chair in his little tent, you know, And we managed to get it all even though I would have been just fine. Is there any chance your friend would talk to me? I think so. And again I don't know that he wouldn't want to go on maybe doing it as like a public kind of thing. Maybe open to it. I don't know, I'm not, but I'm definitely not asking him to either. YEA for my pretty much for my records, Yeah, I will absolutely reach out to him and put you guys in touch. And I really do think that he would be open to talking about it, because he also, just to make this even more of a statistical anomaly, believed wholeheartedly going into this, you know, it's it just makes it own much stranger to have two people who believe and who aren't going looking for this for it to happen to them

1:06:10 in Central Iowa. I think he'd be open to it, because he actually that night he's really responsible about you know, we've we've found some rare species of snakes before, and he reported that to the DNR. He's seen when someone has done kind of like a mass dump of littering in a park. He said, I'm calling the DNR. You know, like he's very open to like when things are sort of a ride naturally, he's fine reaching out to the DNR. But we were talking about that that night. He said, I feel like I have to call the DNR. I don't what if this ripped somebody apart. And I said, let's just think about that though, because I don't know if I necessarily want to get tangled up with having my name involved with I haven't heard first person, but I've heard over account some you know, reading online and just hearing people on podcasts where you know, they've they've kind of run into some intimidation stuff, and they reported this kind of stuff to agencies, you know, to kind of people really necessarily interested. Yeah, I don't know if that would be the case, but I kind of said, I think about it before we do that, you know. And but in if I'm not rambling, you know, if I can say too, I'm thinking about this because I'm mentioning what he said.

1:07:32 You know, as we were talking about it that night, I said, can you imagine if this happened to someone who didn't know, you know, who didn't go into the experience and knowing what those noises were or could be, didn't know what to do. What if those two a group of guys who had been drinking, you know, or or you know, a mother with her children or a family with with with children there. But I just imagine, you know, these things whooping in the night or calling out and young men being you know, pisted drunk or something making noises back at them or yelling back at them, And I just can't imagine that would go over well at all, you know, this thing when it when it yowled at us with that just anger of just like the deepest just I mean, it was just the meanest thing I've ever heard. If that was any other predator that we know about, not just in North America, but in the entire world, that was any other predator, and I'll say, like even in America, if that was a mountain lion, a coyote, a wolf, a bear, a raccoon, that thing would not have stopped vocalizing. It would have kept growling, and it would have escalated, and it would have come toward us. Even if it didn't attack us, it would have pushed us out or come to try to just get a bite in. They would have just been in this rage. There's absolutely no way that any other predator

1:09:04 would have just been complacent with Okay, if they're leaving, you know, that's that's just not how that type of mind works. This thing. You know, they they even if they didn't plan it for it to happen exactly this way, they have tactics. They thought ahead, you know, they they they at least planned ahead. Even if it didn't go according to their plan, seems like it did. But if if they had it their way completely. I never would have seen her either, you know, I never would have got a sight on her. None of them exposed themselves besides her. All we heard were the vocalizations. Didn't see them besides her. My friend didn't even see her, and I saw her for a flash. You know. It's these things don't want to be seen, and they were pretty successful atle said a few last questions. Were you under the influence of anything at all that day? No? Not, not anything, and that could be anything at all. Drink, so yeah, And I to be honest, I haven't had a drink since twenty eighteen. Perfect, I might invite and other things at times that I wasn't that day at all. So okay, Perfect, What are the main things that make you think that it was not a mountain lion? I just I know that a mountain lion doesn't loop or how We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

1:10:43 They don't mumble in a way that sounds like human language. Sometimes, you know, I've heard vocalizations online where they you know, they especially with their screams, You can say, man, that sounds like a dying woman, or that sounds like a which you know, some people say that, but this thing did match so similarly at least, so you could have basically taken clips of the Sierra sounds out and it didn't sound exactly like them, but it was fit within the exact same genre. So let's say those weren't big foot or sasquatching, the Sierra sounds, whatever those were, that's what was pushing us out of that site. You know. I also, you know, mount lions don't knock on trees. I don't to my knowledge, I've never heard of any that hunting packs. And you know this again, if it was a mountain lion, it was yelling like that at us.

1:11:39 Even if it didn't attack us and didn't come right for us, we would have seen it. You know, it would have made itself seen because one of the things with big predators is they say, I'm gonna make myself look as big and mean as possible. I don't want this prey or this other predator to just hear me. They're gonna see me. You know, Mountain minds me this really put their ears back and they arched their back real big, and or they puff their chest out and they get that snarl on their face and they show all their teeth. It's they're very showy in those moments. This thing wasn't doing that. That's wild man. That is. Lastly, the rock you said it was like a rock bath house. What geographically, if you can use north south whatever, what corner of the camp ground campsite was that bath house on that was super close to us? It was it was just a bathroom, a male female bathroom, and it was it was just in the southeast corner there kind of we stayed on lot three and it was just right there by us. Okay, so your campsite was the closest one to that rock bath house thing. Yeah, and I and I it's it's not like it had mason stone on the outside. It just it's it was like a cinder sure bathroom. Yeah, I got it. Okay.

1:13:05 I think those are the main questions. If you could and I'm not a guy that that is that pushes, but if you could reach out to your friend and start that to night after this call, that would be much appreciate. I need to talk to him as quickly as possible while it is still freshened. Absolutely, so yeah, I'll call him as soon as as soon as we wrap up. And because because I know at least even if he doesn't go through like a super long thing with you and give you whatever in forty minutes, an hour or whatever, I know he would at least talk to you. And I know he'd most likely talked to you on the phone too. I bet he would go through things with you. Absolutely, that would be great. Red, Thank you so much for reaching out again.

1:13:59 It's definitely another interesting account for Iowa. And if you think of any of more details, definitely feel free to send them my way. But thank you so much. Man, if you got to go, I promise I'm not gonna keep you even much longer. But I do have a question for you because I always wonder. You know, the people who who hosts the show them they hear all the accounts, and they hear so many things that you know, the listeners don't hear. And I know you've had some accounts too. And the thing that everyone always wonders is I wonder if you have a beat on what you think SASK watches. So it's it's tricky for me because I've not actually heard or seen it. Yeah, but I would from from things I've heard and gathered from witnesses, I would think we are dealing with an undiscovered great ape. But I'm also curious, like how you're categorizing it your mind as well, because you did see it for a bit.

1:15:02 Is it like more of a relative of us or some great ape in Iowa, or is that something where you're still working three of yourself? You know? Yeah, I And you know, I feel like even if someone had a body, we could obviously study it. And believe me, I'm sure they've been studied. But yeah, I think it is so hard to get a true answer. You know, I don't mean from someone, I just mean from the thing, So you know, I yeah, I mean, I have my theories too, you know, I don't I don't know, you know, even from the experiences I've had, But I don't know.

1:15:48 You know, there's so many different species in the fossil record that could have become this. There are so many species that never made it or will make it to the fossil record. This could be something that in a you know, historic sense, or I guess I shouldn't say historic, more of you know, lithic and biologic sense, we just might not be aware of what it ever was and has become. You know, there's you know, they seem to have these longer lens you know than us, these really long arms kind of like a we study like the skeletal systems of austral epiphoscens usually have kind of longer arms and just sort of shorter legs. And you know, austral Epiphocenes were pretty pretty damn small. You know, they were very short and didn't walk around with a lot of weight to them. But you know, austral Ephphocens lived four million to a million years ago that we know of, so that's a long time to change, you know, from them to know, and you know, they became so many things too. You know, Parenthropis also wasn't that big to sometimes people throw that around, and that lived I think also or you to one million years ago. And and I don't think they found any of their fossil records outside of Africa to my knowledge, but who knows, you know. I mean the when people talk about gigant Epithecus and Buringia, you know, the to my knowledge, the last gigant Epithecus we know of existed two hundred thousand years ago. I think they

1:17:25 have done some analysis on one of the chief that they've found. I think there's like maybe an allowance to where it may have existed one hundred thousand years ago, and that's just from fossil record. I don't think that's just completely black and white by any means. But there were so many glacial occurrences during the Place to See, you know, which existed for two and a half million years that epic. There were sixteen or seventeen glacial episodes to my knowledge, so Beringia could have been exposed over a dozen times. You know that that gives you know, ample time for different things to come over. I mean there were there were bipedal apes and a sense comedians and southeast Europe seven million years ago, you know, Grecopithecus was really that that was to to what we know. You know, that shared ancestry with the Homo genus, but not with chimps. So in a sense, Grecopithecus is one of the oldest, if not the oldest, original human representations, at least not in the human lineage since the human and chimpanzee split them. And that existed in

1:18:57 Europe, you know, seven million years ago. So I just don't think people want to maybe accept or at least here the diversity of you know, hominan and hominid species that have existed over the last you know, seven eight million years, so who knows, you know, and wild that's wild it is because wilder than that too. But I uh, man, I feel like I'm keeping it so I don't want to keep going into it. But maybe another time, well we'll go through different theories or something. It's the cool thing, right is it's not just this one thing that that you've had happened to you. You got some some cool things that have come to you.

1:19:47 But right, thank you so much for hanging out. Just if you'd be able to reach out, try to reach out to your friend tonight, that would be much appreciated so that things could just start one that would be great. I'll call him right now, and would you rather me connect to you guy? He's on Instagram. I can connect you over Instagram. I could give him your number if you're comfortable with that. I don't know if you give that out very much. Just give him my number, tell me and I'll do it. Yeah, we'll do yeah, perfect man. And I think just you know, we uh, I don't know you've been an iwell guy and being so open and you know, such a great platform for so many people to just be able to talk about this. I think that'll go a long way with him. So fantastic. Thanks so much, frett Is. Great chatting with you. We'll be in touch. Okay, Yeah, thanks man, I appreciate it. You're a big for Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered big Foot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story.

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