We Were Face to Face with the Unknown! | Babcock Ranch, Florida | The Creature Preacher!

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0:50 His name is a Creature Preacher and he just has incredible content and some really good stories Bigfoot related things. I just I love watching his stuff. But Creech, it's a pleasure to have you on the show today. Thank you, brother. I'm really excited to be here. I get to enjoy your content on a regular basis, and I've got to meet a lot of your friends, and everybody speaks highly of you. You are the archive of all things big Foot, and I love that. Well, thank you for the kind words, because you were down to Florida and you met you met some people down there, like Tate and Brian right. I did. Yeah, I got to meet quite a few people, Bryan Gobinski, a few others there. Was privileged to speak at the Oklla Bigfoot Convention at the Skunkake Brown Table.

1:36 So I got to meet a lot of those guys and hope to work with some of them. In the future and call them friends. Now, this weekend, we'reetting to go out with David Shuey his Skuncake camp out at the headquarters there with the mitch Outh, Florida Bigfoot Alliance and a few others. I can't remember the name of their exact group, and I feel horrible, but Marie is the head of that chapter. And they're fantastic folks. We're gonna do an overnight camp out not far from where I had a sighting, probably about fifty minutes as the sparrow flies. But when I was a young man, I had seen something in South Florida that started everything for me and changed everything. For me at the same time. But I was a boy. Scout at the time, and anybody in South Florida there was a boy scout well, most likely remember Camp Miles and the Babcock Scout Ranch, which was a very large scout ranch, the largest one in Florida, and it was the largest cattle ranch in Florida and the second largest cattle ranch in the United States of America at that time.

2:28 Babcock Ranch ran them a lot of cows, a lot of scrub pine. There's a lot of different mixed environment out that way. But I was a life scout working on my Eagle Scout at the time. We had a summer camp out there. I was fourteen years old and I'll never forget that night. And I've changed a lot since then. But we were a little bit rowdy back then, and this whole story. To tell the whole story, I guess I just have to tell the whole story. But it was the weekend and we had all of our folks coming in for. A big shindig. We were on land that at one time had been owned by the Makassuki tribe, the Seminole Band of Florida. So they came out and did a presentation, a powwow for us, and it was a lot of fun. They have a big lake there at Camp Miles, and I'll never forget that night because as the Scouts were all performing and the Seminoles were there performing, we were facing the lake on bleachers and all of a sudden, one of the scouts yells and alligator, and sure enough, there was a giant alligator creeping up towards the people that were dancing around the fire, and they chased them back into the lake. And that happened to be the same lake where all of us scouts did our mile Meribad swim ordinarily with people alongside the swimmers and canoes looking for the big alligators. Quite a place, and it's changed a lot now, But that night that it happened, it was right after the Seminole presentation, which actually comes into this story later on. But we had watched all the Seminole dancers, we had all went back to our respective camps.

3:47 Now this was a jamboree style camping event, so it wasn't just one scout troop. It was multiple Scouts rooms from all over the state of Florida coming in for the jamboree for the Boy Scouts for America. So in this great big it's like a labyrinth, a giant map. There's campsites all over for different troops. Our troop was he got too far from a lake, and there was a central kind of a hub where we would all go and meet where they had a little community store, where they had a lodge, and they had the community areas, and after hours sometimes we would sneak down there and we would get soda pops and we'd hang out. We weren't supposed to, but we would. That night, we had intended to go down and try to tip the machines and get a couple of free pops, which never worked. And I always tell people don't do that because people died doing it every year. I think there's about ten deaths a year from people messing with machines and then falling on them, believe it or not.

4:38 But we went down there that night, and we snuck down after all the Scouts and I had most of the younger Scouts who went to bed. We had two Scout masters, but one of them never slept wherever we were camping. They hated the camp so they went and they slept in the parking lot in their van. And the one that we were left with was a man by the name of Junior. He was in his thirties at the time, but he was a little bit dim bulb. He wasn't the smartest guy, and we loved him though. He was a good guy that sit. They left us to watch us at night, and we snuck out after he went to bed and went down there and had a good time. We hung out maybe thirty minutes, and we decided we weren't getting any pops we would head back. It was probably two in the morning at this point, I think. And on the way back we didn't have I don't know if you remember those old chunky flashlights that were more flashlight or more battery than flashlight. They were just a giant battery and like a plastic house it didn't have a very strong beam. I had one of those in my hand, and this was back in nineteen ninety three somewhere around there. It was a long time ago, so I didn't have the fancy old lights that we have now. So I had one of those lights on, but we didn't have the lights on because we could see enough ambient light to see the path.

5:42 It was a sandy path in the middle of palmeto scrub and pine trees and everything, so we could see the path. We didn't really want lights giving away. We were out sneaking around, so we'd keep the lights off and when we got back to camp we'd go to bed and everything and be fine. So we had our lights off, and as we were heading back one of my friends Christmas, there were our a couple of people, which makes this very interesting as I have other friends that can corroborate the story live this with me, and that's always interesting talking with him all these years later. He was at the back of the pack and I was somewhere in the middle. There was only five or six of us, you know, out that night, and we had heard something behind us on the trail, and the first time we heard it sounded like something scuffing or something. In the bushes. We turned our lights on, turned back, didn't see anything.

6:23 And then we heard something again to the right of us, and again turned our lights on, didn't see anything, and we had as soon we're talking among ourselves and we're thinking somebody's messing with us, and my friend Chris goes, it's just one of the other campers. We kept walking and I hear something off to the right that sounds like a grunt, like a low low, almost like a bear cough. And I was like, what was that? And we all stop and we're looking over there and nothing, you know, we turn our lights on. Nothing, We start walking again, and we walked just a little ways. And I didn't realize this until later, but there was a smell. It just I didn't register that at the time, but one of my other friends had just before that said who cut a fart? We didn't really We just thought that it was one of us like this just didn't really even put two and two together. And we take it a few more steps and my friend kriggers, what do you do? And we all turn around when he says that, he turns the light on and in the path directly in the middle of the road.

7:16 Is is something? You know? It just I've taken a stab at describing you a dozen times. It wasn't very tall, it wasn't like what I would anticipate seeing, you know, it was a big for it. I had no place of reference. In my mind it was maybe mansie six six and a half foot tall, but it had more stop shoulders, and I could tell immediately what I was looking at was not a person. I think we all could, but we couldn't tell what we were doing. Other of us had a frame of reference. I remember the light tracking up and seeing feet like hair and going up and when we saw the face. I'll never forget to the day I die. And this is what peoplet said this before. You can't fake at that time. There's no way that you could think thee like this. It's just no way. I show the lip pull up. I saw the eye twits. I mean, I saw the face, and I saw the mouth, and I saw the teeth. And about that time one of my friends that had said that what do you do?

8:11 Was the last word that had been spoken. We're all looking at this. None of us had a set a word at this point, but by the time the light had tracked up to the face and we all caught what we were looking at, and it was looking at us, and it's lip turned up almost like a sneer. It wasn't an aggressor. To this day, I don't think it was a threatening thing. I think it just for whatever reason, when we all saw that, one of us ran and we all did, it was like a light switch went on. We didn't know what we were seeing, but when we saw that, we were certain that it wasn't one of the other troopers messing with us. It wasn't anything that we were supposed to be seeing. It was something something completely different. So this happens. We all run, and I kid, you run. I don't like running a box that wrestled on jiu jitsu. I'll do roadwork, but I never liked it.

8:54 Never was very fast. There was always a fighter, not a runner. I ran so fast that and I have never ran that in my life. I had tears streaking down my face. I was terrified. I was just not wanting My terror was being left behind and not wanting to be the last one. And that was my fear. That's why I was more afraid of that fear than whatever that thing was. I just didn't want to be the last one. I didn't want to be the last one. I just didn't. So we ran so fast. I ran into the camp and we have these old style tents. There's campsite, there's a latrine, that's built. It's of wood, but most of the tents are canvas style, a frame tents on a raised platform in case. We get heavy range, so your gears. You have a foot locker and there and two cots tent two scouts to each tent. But those old tents have guidelines that run down each side and stak down to the ground to keep them steady and heavy raine and winds and storms. I hit one of those guidelines, running so fast that I rolled a good twenty feet and I hit a picnic table so hard to knock the air out of me. I came up just spitting crying.

9:53 We were so afraid this is I could have my friends corroborate this is we had. We were so terrified. Junior came out wondering what was going on. Now, I'm a fourteen year old. I was terrified. I was terrified along with everybody else, and there was a sense of shared panic. Everybody else that had seen it was terrified. We wanted to go home, and Junior, being a little slow, not knowing what's going on, I think that he didn't understand the gravity of our situation. But when the younger scouts had heard what was going on. They looked up to some of the older scouts who we were and they didn't want to stay. So we had this big hubub now. So finally we talked to Junior. We pretty much the older scouts said, Junior, if you don't go right now and get Dick Standfield, we're going to do something bad. Like we were that upset like this. There were kids crying. They wanted to go to their moms, like they did not want to be there anymore. We didn't want them there because what we saw we thought was dangerous. And I'm not exaggerating when I say that we thought that it was an escaped animal or some time or something. We didn't know what to think. I remember, I'm a fourteen year old kid. I grew up in a family of people that have worked with animals. I've been around chyms, I've been around orangutans. But realis in everything, and what I had seen was not one of those.

10:56 There wasn't a person in a suit. I knew that right away, but I was also rebelling against what I had seen. So when they were asking me what was it, We're all trying to figure out We didn't know. We didn't know, we didn't know. Somebody said a wier wolf, somebody said tigfoot. Another person said they didn't know. It looked like a monster. We were just freaking out. But here's where it gets even more interesting. If it camped already, and it really is an interesting story. But after we get some of the parents that come and the pick up their kids, and my folks come all the way from Naples is where I lived, and this is a good forty five minutes. By the time they had gotten out, they had airboats and swamp buggies in the camp. In the camp in the lake where we were. We can all remember distinctly hearing it. There were helicopters. I'm not even exaggerating. Swamp buggies are. People that aren't from Florida don't know what swamp buggies are. They're great, big vehicles that are raised up on pretty much tractor tires and they just mow through everything. They can just go right through the water, they can go right through the mud, they go right over the small trees and everything. Then you have airboats that float on top of the water, and then of course helicopters. So we were told people from Florida fishing game came the scout the people that were head of the scout camp came and we're talking with us and explaining what happened.

12:05 Now. One of the people said that this is true too. There's the Octagon. It's a sanctuary right near It's still there to this day. The Octagon Sanctuary is still there and they take in. At that time, they had. Animals from the circus. They had a rangutang. They had a few other animals, a couple of tigers. Tigers are rescue, they don't have teeth, they get old, the reail them. So they told us that night that it was nothing more than an escape a rangutang from the Octagon. The Octagon said they never had an escaped animal. I worked with a five o' one C three if you follow them any of my page. I need to work with tigers and lions, and I work with a lot of five o one s threes that work with those animals. And still as a fourteen year old, I had just started working at Jim Larry's. I didn't know anything about a lot of bad end of it, but I assured them that what I had seen was no in rangutang. It was not in Orangutang.

12:50 But I can tell you this, years and years later, I saw the closest representation of what I saw that night, and I'll tell you what that is in a moment. But we had them out there most of the night. We ended going home. They said there was nothing more than an escaped animal. Bladid bloody do. That was what happened there. The octagon had all other animals accounted for. We went back to life as normally, and I was never able to get that out of my mind. Now, my uncle was George Shaller, and he's a primatologist, and I remember my father talking with him, and he's worked with Diane Fosse. He really knows his stuff. So he being a scientist of some note, he's already been in Bigfoot research. Which is funny when George when he talked about Bigfoot, and to this day he's ninety three years old and every once in a while they'll talk about Bigfoot.

13:37 He turned the Bigfoot world upside down when he did not come out and say he didn't believe in Bigfoot. In fact, he said the exact opposite, he said, and he used to say that all the time. He said that that Bigfoot and the science are Bigfoot, and the study of Bigfoot cannot be so easily denied. And that's something that I took with me. And when I had talked with my father about what we had seen, my father never denied, never said that that it couldn't be, never said it had to be somebody in a suit. He said the same thing that my uncle said, how do you know that it wasn't a Bigfoot? And I don't And that started me. It's like this journey now. Growing up, I've always been very open minded because of my family. I had a beasti as a child that had unicorns and dragons right next to.

14:19 Hyena and lions. So I've always been very open minded, but I was a scientific skeptic. Unless I could really prove it beyond a shadow of doubt, I didn't really believe in it. And as far as Bigfoot, at the time, I would have said that I did not believe whatsoever in Bigfoot. But what happened that night is I started to peel away all the other things. What I was left with was this enigma. I had no idea what I'd seen that night. Now, I went to school for environmental science after this Revard College, and I went on to school for zoology at unc Asheville, and I still had no. Answers big for a society, who will be right back after these messages.

15:12 It wasn't until I was in the field of study, and I was working at the time with my own company doing habitat surveying, that I got an answer and a picture that came across my desk, and it was of the Mayaca Skunky. And I'll never forget seeing. That photo and people everybody's saying it and everybody's saying it's a hoax. But I saw that and it freaked me out. Now, one thing that has bothered me about the photo and about my own recollection to this day is I can't remember. Sometimes I believe I saw eyeshine and other times I don't. That's the one thing that I and I talked with the others too, when we were showing the light, did you see eyeshine? And part of me and I don't know if that I have a very good memory, but I can't. I can't quite remember.

16:01 Part of me thinks that I did, and part of me is not so sure, which is really weird. I do remember on the Maaca Skunkcake seeing some eyeshine and thinking to myself, I don't remember, and I don't know if the photograph of the Maaca Skuncake has bled him to my own experience or not, but what I've seen there that night and then later much later, when my friend said, hey, do you remember us talked joking about the fart smell? And it was like, I do remember that, and I didn't. I would never have known that was something that came with Bigfoot, with smell or anything like that. But I do remember that smell and I can remember it distinctly now. It wasn't so much a fart smell. It was a pungent, like a goaty, almost like a very strong bio like you know, a you're in Europe at a disney and nobody's washed type of a smell, you know what I mean? It was It was pungent, But I do remember now when we talk about it some of my friends, he bought that up. He said, you remember that, and I do, and I do remember it now. But so that was what started it all for me. That was the experience that kind of began everything.

16:58 To this day, I believe what I saw and I do believe what I saw was a primate. I believe that it was. Some people call them napes, And I'm just as comfortable with North American and ape at this point as Skuntcaper because what I saw, I firmly believed was that it was a real, flesh and blood animal, and I also believe that it's a very real animal that needs conservation. I actually, that's how strongly I believe that they're out there. And I could go in through dozens and dozens of reasons why I believe they're out there to this day, but I do believe at this very moment that there is a population. He's here toofore are discovered primates or previously discovered but not adequately so, that are living in Seminole County, different places in Florida. And I even to myself sometimes when I say that where I feel some days I have more doubt than I have faith. But I do believe that, and I believe that in many ways we could prove that at least enough show that we should offer designation for these animals now, preemptively before we lose them.

17:57 I do believe that I believe they're out there. That's incredible. I can already tell it. It really affected you as a fourteen year old. Oh yeah, still goes. Sinking back to what you saw that night, and you said the lips were like they were pulled up a little bit. Were you able to see what the teeth looked like? Oh yeah, they were like chicklets. They were wide and whitish yellow. They were not clean chick lits. They were large, flat, shovel shaped teeth. From what I've seen, they were large. It looked like it had a mouthful of big, wide teeth. They weren't wearable teeth or anything like that. It looked like our teeth. And that's why I knew that it wasn't a mask. Even the color of the face, it was like a mocha. You could see what appeared to be wrinkles, You could see the musculature, You could see it a little bit of everything. Of course, people are like, how did you see all that in a split moment?

18:47 If you've ever been in a situation like that, you tend to do that. You're adrenaline spikes and as a matter of fight or flight, your mind, your mind slows everything down for you to make decisions. It's really a neat phenomenon. But I asked my friend later, how long do you think the light was on it? And he said, by the time the light traveled from its feet to its face and we saw it smile at us. He said that might have been a second and a half to three seconds. It wasn't very long, and the light was shaky, but by the time it got to the face, it steadied there and we saw that. And to this day, somebody asked me. I did a podcast with a brother and he asked, He said, was it a hostile look? And at the time I would have said no, But I understand more about primatology now. I understand that when a chimpanzee smiles a lot different than when we smiled. I don't know what that look conveyed. The eyes from what I recall of the eyes, there was some hair over the face, but the eyes seemed a lot like our eyes. I do remember that. I don't recall. Like I said, it seems like I had seen eyes shine. It might have been as it turned for a moment, but I don't know.

19:52 I don't know. Maybe that's from seeing those pictures later trying to sort it out, But that's the only thing that to me, and another and too, he's one of our other friends said that he saw. I have a friend named Tyle Eppler. That was there with this. He's passed away and he disappeared in the Everglades. Believe it or not. He disappeared in the Everglades. Sorry to hear that. And he's never been seen since. Yeah, Yeah, it's a tough one. His name's Kyle Eppler. He's he was one of my best friends and he went out there and never came home. But we talked about it a lot over the years, and he believed like I did. He believed that what we saw that night. Was an animal, a primate. He doesn't believe there was anything mythical about it. He doesn't believe it was as an alien or anything.

20:33 Like that or a hoax. He believes that what we saw was an actual animal, and I have to believe that. There's nothing else I can believe. And because of that, over the years, I've developed quite a few different theories as to how something like that could be there, why it's there in the first place. I have two main theories on what the Skun Cape is. It's either here to Ford branch or v apes, something along the lines of pan which should be the chimpanzees, maybe something more along the lines of the orangutangs, which are a little bit separate, separate, or we have to face the fact that it could also be a Homo species, and that's something that to this day a lot of people really have trouble with Bigfoot research as a whole. But you know as well as I do, that there is real research being done. There's research in the genome, there's a lot of research being done into primates, and Bigfoot to me is a primate, and a lot of people believe the same way. Even in anthropology.

21:25 There's a lot of. People with PhDs that also believe that Bigfoot could very well be an offshoot of the homeo Homo schapions. If there is another species on the branch of Homo, then it's possible. We shared space with Neanderthal, we shared space with many different sentient beings that were like us, that were not human beings. We're not Homo Shapian. We have a few different likely representatives that I think it's possible that this being could be. Some people believe Benisovan's but I don't know It's always been my theory, though real briefly with it. What I believe that they are, what I believe what I saw is one of those two things. But when we came across the bang straight the land bridge, I don't believe we were alone. I don't believe we were alone. I believe that there was another species that came across the land bridge. We know that we shared space.

22:17 We can end your tall. We know that at one time it was inconceivable to think that we slept with them, and we bred with them, and we had babies. We know now without a shadow of doubt that we carry their unique genetic traits in some of our DNA, especially Eastern European units. Could some of them are something like them, also taking advantage of the passage between the world. I believe shown and just like humans. I always tell people this, humans are. We're amazing. If you look at the human tree. I take Africa for instance, in the same spot in Africa and the Congo, you're up the Bantu and the Baku people. Some call them the pygmies. They don't really like that term. But the Baku are very short people, sometimes four foot tall, very short, and then The Bantu who live right along alongside them are tall nilotic people who average about six five to sixty six. Now those are two humans. They're just humans in the same spot.

23:08 So or are we not to think that if something else came over that it also wouldn't have benefited from mutation or evolution if you want to use evolution, of course, it would would have evolved to take advantage of new habitat. Now, I believe that they came across with us, and if they did, they came across like two competing species. They didn't come across their friendship. We don't do that very well with other species. We tend to outcompete other species, wolves, any other I could tell you all the different prey relationships with animals that we you know, we we didn't want wolves in the eastern part of the United States who got rid of them. We didn't want mountain lions or got rid of them. So it stands the reason that when we encountered these beings we also were at it was an antagonistic relationship with them. I'm like collenas and lions, I think so if we came across, most likely wherever humans went, these beings would not go or they would stay at the periphery of us. I believe for these preachers, where do you call them bigfoot? Where do you call them gunk apes?

24:00 You call them NPEs North American apes. I believe one percent, I truly do believe this that they would have the instinctual and ancestral knowledge to understand that we are the boogieman, we're enemy number one. If you're a bigfoot, for your sasquats or your a stun cape mother or Favii, you're instilling and you're young a fear of us, not to go hang out with us, not to go spy on us, not to go look for us, but to stay away from us. If they smell gunpowder, to get away from it. If they smell dogs or anything associated. With humans, that get away. I believe that, I truly do, and I believe that would be something that would be instinctual within them that would one hundred percent instincts willly. No to do that.

24:41 And I think that they would take advantage of a lot of different environments along the way. There's been a lot of changes since that land bridge was open for us, and we've changed. Humans have persevered with some areas we've grown taller. In other areas we've grown shorter. We have the Inuits who tend to use a short, compact body shape to conserve heat, and we have tall people like Masai who are very tall and thin to shed that excess heat and a lot of different reasons. But when you get into the science, because most of the time, the farther north you go, things get larger, do something called Bergmann's law, especially mammals. These beings, if they went across to a place like Alaska, stands to reason they'd be getting bigger. In certain areas, they'd be getting bigger to take advantage, and in Florida it would stand to reason that they wouldn't be nearly as big. It would be smaller, especially moving through different environments. Now the Everglades, there's thousands upon thousands of acres that are inaccessible to humans except for swamp buggy or airboats, and even those places, there are places out there that nobody goes.

25:37 There's no reason to go. And we call it a reverse oasis because in the rainy season, the water fills up the Everglades and the high ground, which what we call hummocks or hammocks of land where all the trees, the scrub of the turkey, of the palmetto, or the swamp cabbage. That's where all the life goes, all the bears, all the Florida panthers, all those things that are in aquatic They have to have high grounds or they go to those areas, and that's where I believe that these I think that they take advantage of hummicks. So the s gruntcaper is interesting in the fact that if they are out there, they developed in such a way to take advantage of a marginally flooded area that they're highly aquatic. They're able to go in and out of the water, which is not something you ordinarily see with long, shaggy hair and a body plan like that. But I do believe they're out there.

26:22 What I saw interesting. It was wet, and I forgot to tell you that, but what we had seen that night, it's fur was not completely dry. You could tell that it had been wet. It was in the process of drying, and it appeared like it had stuff on it. So maybe it was duck weed or maybe it was plants that they picked up. But I do believe that whatever it was had at some point been in that lake and it come out of the lake and it was traveling through the palmetters, which isn't unbelievable to think there's a lot of humans too, believe it or not. There's people that hardly ever step foot on land. They living in their boats in the ocean, and they can dive down, and they can stay down farther than anybody else under the water and all their breath longer, and they've adapted to take advantage of that lifestyle in very short orders. So I do believe they're out there, and I have to because the only other answer to me is that I'm crazy and that we're all crazy.

27:09 I don't think we're all crazy. Creech. No, there's enough evidence out there. There's enough evidence. But Floyd is interesting brother with bigfoot research as a whole, And this is something I've determined over the years of doing this. There's a lot of different names for the same thing or something very similar around the world. Just in the United States of America. If we use Alaska alone, there's probably about ten different names. And I could isolate right now from the different people groups of very similar beings, and that's just Alaska. But if you take the United States of a whole, of the living peoples that are here and they're myths and legends, you're looking at over one hundred different names who are very similar. Being in the United States of America. Those are from only the groups that we have the names, And we have to understand through the late the Middle Period, there have been people here before the Native American tribes, even that we don't have much history on what were their stories. They were here for thousands of years, and they traded all three of these areas and built these great civilizations, and they had stories without a doubt. And that's just in the United States. You move into Canada, you move into South America, wherever you go, I don't care. If you go back to some of the Babylonian texts they believed in hairy giants. You go to the Ass text Guess what the Ass texts believed in hairy giants. So people groups that didn't have anything to do with one another, very similar stories, different names, the similar stories, were similar beings.

28:25 My sad truth is these days, and it is a sad truth, is that I believe that ninety nine percent of what I get comes across my desk. I have a hard time believing, I really do, but I still believe that they're out there. But I have to say that I believe that they're critically endangered, if not extinct, many of them, and I don't think it's just one. I believe just like also, I believe there's probably different subspecies that we could almost say, such a coyote and a wolf. You know, they're both. Canage, but they're different enough to be called a coyote and a wolf, not just different size coyote or different size wolf. So I believe there might have been different that they've changed enough there might be a difference between what we see in Florida and what we see in the western part of the country or in Alaska, that they would be considered different species rather than the subspecies are the same.

29:13 Absolutely, this trip you're taking in Florida, this expedition you're going on, will this be the first time you've actively gone out and tried to look for business. Yeah, no, yes, and no this would be the first time. I won't with any group. But I've been doing this my whole life, and I guess I've been doing it in the Lone Wolf because when I go out and I've got some really interesting encounters along the way I've had in North Carolina, I've had a few encounters. Even my wife shared a couple of encounters. So I believe I encountered something there had seen. I've never seen anything else, but I've encountered some very tantalizing signs along the way. I found some very interesting footprints in the ever village I found had some very strange noises both in Florida, North Carolina and right here in Crystal River of what I believe that the locals called the blue eyed dump dumps, which is another name for what I think are big for it. But yeah, so this would be the first time that I went out with a group. I've always been.

30:02 I'm an introvert. You know, it's weird. It's I just pop up. But I'm a real introvert, So I don't really do stuff like this too often. But I'm looking forward to going with them, and there is going to be real research. But the research that I do here in Crystin River, like, for instance, when I'm done with my live stange at night, I'll ride my I'm weird. My whole life big for a society who will be right back after these messages. I've been weird. When I was three or four years old, I was sneaking out of the house at three four in the morning, walking around down by the river. That's just what I've always done. So I spend farm. People think I'm a character and that I'm all made up.

30:49 You can ask anybody that's ever known me. I'm weird all the time, Like this is what I do. So when I get up, I'll be up tonight after Live at two o'clock in the morning, I'll take my et bike and I'll go through all I can't really give away too much of it, but I'll go through a lot of spots that technically you're not really supposed to state areas and parks and things. But I don't leave a trace, and I go very slow, and I go very quiet, and I'm there for the while life. I'm a zoologist, so I love I go out and I do habitat survey. I'm looking for a wild board to get videos and bobcats. Like last night, I got a great video of a big fat bobcat hunting. So I love doing stuff like that. But when you spend so much time out there. I leave room. I leave room for researching a little bit of everything. I've had some interesting experiences. Now I don't I honestly don't believe. I believe that the beings that are extraordinarily curious, but I also believe they're extraordinarily frightened of us, and that's their prime directive is to stay away from us. Not can learn from us, I can get near us. It would be like when I see a lot of people doing the tree knocking, hooting and hollar, and it'd be like Michael Myers ringing a dinner bell. Are you going to go to him? Or Freddy Krueger yelling for you to come out when you're hiding? Would you go to Freddy Krueger? No, you wouldn't if you know that Jason, Freddy Krueger out there.

32:00 What are you going to do? Brother? You canna get out of there. You're gonna run. You're not gonna start running right, You're gonna get in the closest car, you're gonna drive, You're gonna get on the boat, You're gonna get out of dodge. And I do believe that the only way we're going to find them is not we're not going to entice them to us. And I stand outside with this because a lot of people don't like my approach. I believe we're going to have to catch them. We're gonna have to sneak up on them. We're gonna have to catch and I do believe that when we do get good video evidence, when we do get good photographic evidence, I believe we're catching the slackers. I believe we're catching the ones that have left their home groups or whatever reason, their bachelor, maybe the old, the affirm they've let their dog down. I believe we're getting accidental accidental exposure to them. But I believe they're extraordinarily frightened of us. I believe that if we are in their territory, if anything, they might have some of the adults keep an.

32:45 Eye on us. And that's it. So you have to be able to be aware of that. You have to understand what to look for, just like anything else in the Forester's Clues. When I'm out at night and I hear I know every animal out here that makes noisier, I know everyone. There's not I didn't set it. There's not a species of frog. I don't know what it is or bird. All right. So when I am going down the road listening and I hear all of them stop talking, or I hear all of them start talking, they're saying something. You just have to know what they're saying. Every one of those animals that people think animals are dumb, every one of those birds has a dozen different calls for different critters they have to worry about. You know that if they see a snake coming through the trees, they've got a call for a snake. If it's an owl, they got a call for an owl. When they call out the birds, No, the snake's going to be on the ground, look for something on the ground. If they know it's an owl or a bird of prey and they hear that bird call, they're looking up. They understand.

33:31 So I listened to rose clues at night. That's the only way I'm going to get up on them is I listened to all those clues. I take advantage of that, and I've had some interesting experience out there. Although I've never got anything I'm thrilled yet. I've had experiences where I believe one hundred percent that they've seen me, and it's not a matter of them sensing that I'm good, I'm not going to harm them or anything like that. It's I'm a threat to them. I'm a predator threat number one to them, just like you are, just like everybody else is. We're a threat to their very existence, and to say that we're not is to not really understand humanity as a whole. We are a threat to them by our very nature. So they understand that. I don't think they're coming when we're knocked on trees. I think there's anything that might alert them to get out of the area. So that's not something I do. That's not something I subscribe to. It's not saying that I don't believe that some people each to his own. But I've been at this since I was fourteen years old.

34:22 I've studied from others, and I've learned from others, and I've seen a lot of what doesn't work. So I'm going to stick with doing what I'm doing. Maybe it'll work, Maybe it'll work. But I've also isolated I so good scientists, a good friend that I've befriended in college, that isolated areas in the world, in the United States of America that don't have human interference there's an entire field of study devoted to that, and there's only about twelve or thirteen unique areas in the world that aren't contaminated by human expersion. You can't hear playing on the overhead, places like the deep Ocean Ariatas Trench, But there are a few places on land, on Terra Firma, they had very little human encroachment, and those are the places that I would like to focus on. And I've been saying for years with the advent of environmental DNA, our greatest asht right now, we have it, and we're not using it for the field of study of research a big thing, and.

35:13 That is environmental DNA sampling. We have an idea of what's not out there now, but there's still something turning up. That we don't know what it is, so we have to figure it out. But I do believe that in the case of the gun Taper, I believe there's a few places on the planet that would be most likely to find a Harry Homett. I guess that would be a good term for them, and I think that the Everglades is one of those places. Tolwarida is one of those places. It has everything an animal like that would need. And most Floridians they have a struggle with this because I live in for it. There's no way, there's too many people. It's a funny thing about Florida. Most people that have lived here their whole life have never seen real Florida, you know what I mean. They've never had a boat. They've never they might have had a paddleboard out in the ocean, but they've never been out in the part of the Everglades.

35:55 They've never been out in the interior hunting wildcats or anything. They don't know what's out there. I don't know that the gigantic tracks of lamb They don't understand the mystery the other Glades travel through the ten thousand Islands, how difficult it can be. We're just now starting to see that. It's absolutely amazing out there. So I do believe something like that could take advantage of the Everglades ecosystem and thrive and still remain undetected, barely detected. It's intelligent. I always tell people that too, because I get the number one thing I get from focus is where are their bodies? Why are we finding them? Why don't we have them? And I'm a hunter. I'm out there all the time. Why am I not seeing them? And I always tease people, but I'm one hundred percent serious when I say this. Like most hunters, they get up and they go out to the tree stand.

36:36 It makes so much noise get between their truck and that tree stand, and everything out there knows they're already out there. They're just getting the ones that are dumb enough to still cut and pick up the corner coyotes. Here you're going out to the tree stand. But these things are very intelligent. I honestly, Jerema, I believe that as intelligent as us, but a different type of intelligence. I do believe that there's a lot of animals that I would put out there that have extraordinary intelligence. But we judge intelligence based upon our own which is a very flawed way of intelligence, because we've been around for the blink of an eye evolutionarily speaking, and sharks who have small brains, navigators who have small brains now very intelligent. They say they've been around through six major extinction events. So I believe these animals are big brain, but I also believe they're instincttionally big brain. I think that they're smarter than us in some capacity, an enormous capacity for understanding their environment.

37:24 There's definitely instances where you can see some seriously intelligent things going on. For example, in southeast Oklahoma, there's been places where they've found like nutcracking stations in the Washata National Forest. An individual I talked to has talked to me about potential precursors of language that have been captured in different audio recordings out in the Pacific Northwest, which to me is just fast, Yes, you know what I'm talking about, Like they're close to what the orangutans were recorded do it on German zoos. That's their natural language. I do believe that too, something that brings up to me, and this is what I've come to conclusion over the years, that we hear them all the time, we just don't know it. There's a lot of animals and there's a lot of myth I believe. I'm not just this isn't just something that I'm just thinking of. It's my own through a lot of Native American myths and legends about some of the Harry hominids, they were mimics. So there are other animals and I've studied other primates that are mimics, believe it or not. I could do a video and show you a video of an rangutane speaking English and chimpanzee speaking Irish, Gaelic and English. So people don't know this, but chimpanzees can mimic. Some can some orangutans can mimic.

38:38 There's an orangutanin that can speak many different words, not just one. And I could prove it too. I can actually show videos of chimpanzee mimicking mah Ma speaking. We know that great apes are able to do it. We know that some other animals like seals, are able to mimic human speech, and it sounds crazy when they do, but they do, so why not a Harry homonid like big fish? So I do believe that they're able to mimic. I do believe that they have some form of vocalization. What I mean is this, I've been out in the woods, and I told you I alluded to some of those encounters I've had over the years. Many of those encounters that I've. Had with what I believed they're Harry hominids did not sound like a Harry hominid. This sounded like something else. So I believe that's one of the ways that they interact when people are around. I don't believe that. I believe that they use other night animal noisies. And I know that sounds like almost a cop out, like easy belief ism, but I could have my wife come out and share this with you too. I've heard animals that you don't ordinarily hear during the day. I've heard at night.

39:30 I've heard some dead giveaways. I've heard and you can always tell the difference between when one of their vocalizations it doesn't sound right, it sounds off. So, for instance, if it's a mockingbird, if it's a call that you might hear a mockingbird make, it's going to sound deeper, it's going to sound betteral it's going to shound off. If you hear something that you might hear a duck or an owl make, it's going to sound different. It's going to sound off. It's going to sound weird or a heady howl. They can do a few different vocalizations, and I've heard these, and it's something that I believe that he's part of their natural language. I think that's how they communicate. I think they can unicate by mimicking. Just we have some birds, cuckoos, blue jays, mocking birds. They all mimic other birds for reasons. And I believe that these beings mimic everything out there, every other animal they share space with, even some noises that they might hear.

40:13 I believe that's why we hear tree nots, where we hear things like that. I think that they're demonstrative language, and I believe that there's a reason for that. A lot of. Chimps, a lot of hes use demonstrative language. We see that with chimpanzees and grillers all the time, chess cupping. We see that with noise making, with rattling of branches, with banging of trees on the ground. There's a reason for noise making. It's language. It's what chimps used to communicate to another chimp something, we don't want you in a territory, this is my woman. Whatever it is, they use that to communicate. And I believe that Sashquat's big foot Harry Haman is. I believe they also use demonstrative language like knocking, rattling, but also mimicking. And I've heard so many times out there. I've had this and it's not oh Man. Right where I'm at right now, I'm in Crystal River, Florida, and there is a huge This is an area that's had a lot of side in it.

40:59 Right where I'm at the park that I'm in right now, at Rock Crushing, They've got a lot of settings. And I've had some strange experiences even here at night, and I go looking for them, of course, but I've had some strange experiences at night. I've heard things that so I heard a cat and this is a really strange one, a house cat from a cave, and I wasn't foolish enough to go in and look. But the area where I can tell you, if we had a lot much more time, I'd tell you some of the stories that the Blue I dump thumps here. But supposedly a Blue I dump thump or a bigfoot was shot here in nineteen seventy two, and in the caves at the Rock Crusher. It's an old mine. So knowing that and reading the research and getting the old reports and talking with people, that's been an area that I've been poking around and ever since. And it's an ideal place. It's extraordinarily inaccessible, it's private, property, so it's inaccessible, and there's a lot of caves, there's old quarries.

41:48 It's just really hard to transverse back there. And I was back there one evening and walking around. It was probably three in the morning, and I had a really good headlamp, but I was walking and there's an old I wanted to go down to the old caves, but the steps were all beat up and all broken, so I didn't want to go down there. I found another spot, trying to explain the best I can, but there's like an amphitheater, a stage, and then above it there's all these rock ledgers where the caves are. And I was making my way up there and I hear a cat. And it's the weirdest thing I've ever heard of my life, because I knew that it was supposed to be a cat, knowing that it was not a cat, knowing and I believe that it was either a person, either a mad person, like some crazy homeless person up there like messing with me, or it was something else, because it was it wasn't like any cat that I'd ever heard. And I got the hebgb's and I got out of there. I really did.

42:45 I'm not afraid to say that. I was scared of it, and I got out of there because it did not sound sounded like something trying to get me to investigate, and I wasn't about to have it. I was like, nope. And the funny thing was, I had heard stories like that before of different places, people hearing things that they go out and investigate, and that animal wouldn't be there. So I've often wondered about that correlation. I do believe that's how they communicate. I do believe that they mimic a lot of different sounds. They can mimic even us if we're out in here, like the Predator Creditor movies, I reckon if we're talking enough. One of the stories that I've heard here in the Rock Pressure is of bigfoot mimicking human speech saying get out. And that was a really creepy story. But could you imagine being out there and having some tall, hairy hamet and yell at your passible And so I do believe that I've heard them before. I believe that I've heard different things. When we were in North Carolina, Shelley heard this. We had a piece of property with some strange things that had happened, and I go out roman at night and I woke her up at two o'clock in the morning to come out and listen. We heard something banging on a tree, and when I heard the banging on the tree, I was like, no, I don't believe in tree knocking. It's like not something I wouldn't early think. But directly after that, we hear this low pitched honking noise and it was the strangest I've never heard another piece. I've heard maybe one other person say they've a similar sound, but it was like a real deep like like that over and over again. But it was the strangest, deepest It wasn't It was like a bullfrog on steroids. It was the weirdest thing. But since it came with that whatever was beating on a tree, by the time I got my

44:16 wife up, she heard the tree knocking too. But she heard that and I wasn't gonna go and investigate it. I say, I'm just going to stay right there on the porch. So we listened for a while. I got a little bit of it on video and that was it. But I'm firmly convinced that if these beings are out there and they've learned to live alongside of us in such a way that it's beneath our notice for the most part, and that'd be a good way to do it. I think. No. The audio thing is, it's the weirdest thing until you experience it for yourself. Just to be scared to go just to anecdote, I'll throw in real quick. So we were out in Oregon for a while in the Willlammette National Forest this summer, and a group of us were there Sunday afternoon and we were just sitting in the Nilon chairs and only one person in the career heard this live. There was a recording an individuals doing on their phone and we got some whoops on the recording.

45:06 No one heard it live except for the one lady. And then there was a very low mumbling noise and for the longest time I thought that it was me because it sounded like me. And I had this individual that was looking at my audio for the whoops and he's, you've also captured this precursor to language too, And he pointed, he said, look at this part, and I was like, that's me, and he's that's pretty much not possible because humans don't go that far down on the scale in this spectrograph, and I was like, oh, dear, because it sounds like me. That's weird. Low register, Yeah, that's weird. That's something too.

45:50 So those whoops always have. Freaked me out. And primates are capable of a wide range of vocalizations. People don't just quite realize. And now a lot of people say that they're not able to create human speech, but the possibility exists that they will be. If you look up chimpanzee speaking, it'll blow your mind. Look up a rangutan speaking, it'll blow your mind because it's something that is outside of what we expect. But you know, those vocalizations. I do believe they're out there, and I wonder if, more so, if there's are warnings, or if there's a communication between bands, or what theirs would be if they are small groups. I've heard a lot of people speculate, how do they not suffer from inbreathing like any other other primate looking for a mate.

46:32 They understand far more than we realize. They're not going to mate within the same family, and they're going to travel long distances to find a mate. And I do believe they're out there, just like any other primate, like when chimpanzees are young chimpanzee or a young orangutang or a young guerrilla. It's forced from family group because a bachelor and it goes. It looks for what it needs is places support, it's life, and females. Those are what it's looking for. So if we are seeing I think we're probably seeing young males out looking for a family, you know, or old as I've said before, that are dying. Like I see a lot of folks. There was one that popped up recently, and to be honest, I think this is what hurts a lot of bigfoot research is most of what does come to us is clearly a hoax, at least it is to me a lot of it when it's I think a lot of people see that.

47:15 I saw one recently that I have to call and say that I believe it was a very hoaxy at least, and it was the Colorado want to if you remember that or not, But all the people on the train or something going through them, there's a big foot in the field. It just seemed to me, like, you know, that's what most people see. And that thing shared ten million times and everybody's going, come on, how are you? How are you? Guys believe this? But that's mostly what people end up seeing. What they don't see is the real research being done, you know, and there is real research like right now around pun Doc in Indonesia and Alaska right now, there's actual research being done, and people don't see that, so they believe that it's all a hoax. And a lot of folks do. I think when I talk with a lot of people, they just cannot open up the door of possibilit And to be honest, if I hadn't had the experience that I did, I'd be right there with them. I'd be right there one percent with them. But I saw something that I can't rationally explain. I've tried my whole life, and I do believe it out there with David Cheeley.

48:14 I'm with David Cheeley on this so much show that I believe that they should be offered designation. We have to have some proof of their existence. We have to have something. And I've actually taught one of my best friends, his uncle, the state representative, and I've been talking with him for years about this very issue, and if we could get the problem is the problem was something like that is would the conservation kill it if we did find one, would they survive us? I don't know, but we have to come to a place where we have to have some solid evidence that they're there or we can't designate them as a specie. So people are trying to do that, and they've got some tantalizing evidence right now, they really do. They've got pairs, they've got a few things that they cannot definitively say belong to any known animal in Florida, to anything. There's some talk that they're primate and origin and they'll be able to prove that they're primating. So if they can prove that they're a primate in Florida and they can't prove what type it is, then that's another really good thing for us. That's another really good thing for us. It can't hurt us at all.

49:16 I've always said if we could get a court together, and we can get a jury, and we would put it all together, we might be able to be able to prove the case, at least so enough people that they would they would offer the designations. Been such pleasure to have you on. Finally, to have a conversation with how can people best keep up to date with what you're doing as the Creature Preacher. We've got a lot of different irons in the fire, but I'm getting into doing what you're doing. I'm going to start our podcast here shortly enough to have you on our podcast, but we're going to be doing that at the Creature Preacher podcast, and of course we're on the Creature Preacher at most platforms from YouTube to Instagram, and I'm just getting started in some of those. But i'd love to have you guys give us a final there, and I have a feeling you'll be here more of me.

49:57 We're going to be We're going to be a little bit more public of what we've been doing with Bigfooting. I've had some talk of even some invites and some of the shows to talk, so that might be interesting to do. Just never really when I started this. We have a show right now that we've been working on for years called The Creature Chronicles Exchoose You. It's an animal program. It's going to dove into some of these things as well, because I believe that Big Bits an animal. It'll be a show that has a little bit of everything from the very real conservation of Florida panthers and manite to the very real conservation of the skuncake. We'll have a little bit of everything on that shows, but I'm looking forward to the podcast and having you on, so I'll be talking with you more about that book. Absolutely. Oh that's exciting news. And yeah, we will definitely be in touch. But thanks so much for coming on, friend.

50:39 Thank you for having me and I really appreciate it. Special thank you to the Creature Preacher for coming on the show. There was a twenty minute segment that I did have to cut as it went into topics not necessarily Bigfoot related, and that could really get both of us than potentially kicked off certain platforms. So we're in this for the long haul, guys, as you already know if you're listening, so we've got to keep things safe if you do want to listen to that though. The raw audio is available over on the Patreon platform, which is about the only place that I can upload it, so Patreon dot com, forward slash the Bigfoot Society. Check it out over there if you are interested into where this conversation goes. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment.

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