We weren't Alone in that Swamp!

0:00 Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In this episode from the Archives, I welcome Gabe Rossi to share his encounters from Indiana and Georgia. You've experienced something similar, I have more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same areas. Please reach out immediately to me after this episode, and if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, please contact me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Also make sure you check out Patreon dot com forward slash the Bigfoot Society where you can become a member and get extra episodes every single week. And now on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege of talking to mister Gabe Rossi today from northern Georgia. Ran into Gabe on Facebook a few days back and he said he's got some interesting stories to share of his time out in the woods and things he's experienced. How's it going tonight, Gabe? Really? Well, this is new for me. I've never done anything like this before, so bear with me. All right, Well, Gabe, I'll have you start the story where you would like to. All right, I guess you have a little bit of background the area where a lot of these experiences are happening, which they're still happening today from what I understand, we're in northern Indiana is where the majority of my experiences took place while scouting for deer and deer hunting. So I guess the first time it was me and my ex wife

1:33 and my two kids were on a nature trail. There's a three thousand acre public land close to where we lived, so we would go and we would walk through the nature trail, and it's a pretty extensive nature trail, probably takes an hour or so to walk through it. It's just a big loop and we get to the bottom. It goes down and goes around, and it's really thick and dense, and we get to the bottom, and I felt like something was watching me. I just I didn't feel like we were alone. So I stopped and I pulled my binoculars out and I had them go on and I start looking and I can't see anything, but I still have this feeling. I've been in the woods a long time, from time I was a kid, and I know when something's not right, and something wasn't right. So I sent them on ahead, and I stayed down there for a little bit, and I kept looking around and glassing and still didn't see anything. So I caught back up with them, and the feeling got worse and worse, and I told my ex wife, I said, just go take the girls and just go. At this point, I'm freaking out.

2:52 I hadn't seen anything. I hadn't heard anything but the feeling. So we get up to the vehicle. We get up to our car and there is the most horrendous smell I've ever smelled in my life. And her and I looked at each other and she says, what is that? And I just said, you know what that is? And that was my first experience there. And I would say probably well two thousand and eight was when I had my eye opener. I was i'd set my tree stand up. I was when I did some scouting for deer season, and I had set my tree stand up on the corner of a creek and a swamp and I was out one morning and my standard is like twenty feet in the air, and my ex wife was in a blind probably fifty to seventy five yards behind me.

3:58 I had her tucked back up and blind and it was probably right around sunrise, and I hit my butt grunt and I heard something splash on the other side of the swamp, and I could hear it coming through the swamp. And I wasn't thinking anything else but deer. So I can hear it. I can hear it coming through the swamp, and I'm like, all right, So I'm I'm getting ready, and I hear it come out of the swamp, and I can hear a bunch of rustling in the There's a real dense thicket, probably forty yards away from me, and you can't see into this thicket, it's so thick. And I hit my grunt again and it stopped. And that's when I heard something hit the ground and roll past me. And I'm like, what the heck was that? Now? I just blanked, and I'm like, all right, there's a deer in there.

5:01 So I hit my grun again. Sure enough, here it happened again. I couldn't see, but I could hear it hit the ground and roll past me in the leaves. So daybreak came and I didn't see anything else. Nothing else happened. It was just calm and quiet. After that, there were and when I stay calm, the birds didn't wake up that morning. It was so eerily calm in the woods that morning that two days later I went to move my stand. I just anything to do with that area. I just I got out of there as a hunter. It was so off putting to you that you actually moved to a different hunting area. Oh absolutely, Oh yeah, wow, yeah, because after all that happened in the heat of the moment, I was like, oh, that's not a deer. But the next well, later on that afternoon, I was like, wait a minute, you don't have hands. Something threw something at us.

6:10 That's when it started. Everything started to run through my head and I was like, oh wow, that's when it all started to click. And yeah, I moved my stand after that. Even to this day, I have not gone back into that area to this day. Have you looked to see if there's been sightings in that area that you were see. That's the thing. When I had my sighting, when I actually had my sighting, when I actually saw one, it was in that area. Okay, so yeah, And then there were two years I've been down here for two years, so three years ago there was there were actually two sightings in the same day about twenty minutes apart in that area, and growing up in that area, my mom I told these stories. But you're a kid and you're like, yeah, okay, whatever. You don't really think much about it.

7:04 But then as you get older and unexplainable things start happening, you just I'm not the type of person who just says, oh, this is what it is. I try to look for what it can't be first, and then I go for what. I try to think of what it could be. And these experiences, there's only certain things that it could be. Northern Indiana, where I'm from, we don't have bears, so if you see something that big, it's not a bear because they're not there. So it's kind of where And as far as tree structures, and oh, I have found so much up there and down here, even every down here in northern Georgia.

8:03 My girlfriend and I we like to hike a lot up in the mountains and we have found so much stuff and it's just right on the trails. But when I look for this stuff, when I noticed, I don't really look for it, but I notice it, and some of it could be human. But then you start thinking, it's like, all right, you've got broken branches fifteen feet off the ground. Who's going to climb up a tree and break branches fifteen feet off the ground. So when you say broken branches, describe that to me a little bit. So are you seeing are these massive branches that are broken or small guys or oh? Yeah, these are probably three four inches around and they're just broken and just hanging there.

8:54 Yeah, there's tree structures, tree bends, and what I take these as is their markers for people to stay on the trails. They've come I feel that they've come to they're not okay with people being there, but they've accepted it as long as you stay on the trail. And some of these trails, there was one it was I'm trying to think. I think it was around the New Year's of twenty twenty one. It was my first winter down here and her and I we decided to go on a hike and it's a quarter mile hike. It's pretty dense area back to a waterfall. You get to this waterfall, it looks like something out of Indiana Jones. It's really really cool and we're we're just checking things out and walking around and just looking at things and checking out the waterfall, and all of a sudden, she looks at me and she says, I don't feel so good. I'm like, what do you mean? She says, my head hurts, I can't think straight. I just I feel nauseous. I said, all right, we need to go because I had a little bit of a feeling, but not like that. So we're not running, but we're moving at a good pace out of there. And she kept going and I stopped, and I

10:26 heard the heaviest footfalls I have ever heard in my life, and they were coming up quick behind us. So I told her, I said, just go. Whatever happens is go, just go. Don't look back, just go. And I grabbed the little teak fruit and stuff with us cunner hikes. I grabbed an apple out of her backpack and I threw it back behind me, and we just took off and I we went about another fifteen twenty yards and I stopped, and everything, the footfalls had stopped, and everything was quiet. So I don't know if it took the apple as an offering or what. But and the further we got away from that waterfall area, the better she started feeling. I don't know, take that for what it is, but I know what it was. Sounds like you could almost have been dealing with an infrasound type situation. Who knows. Yeah, yeah, she's pretty in tune with that kind of stuff, and it's that was the first time that happened, and it's happened a couple of times since, but not to that extent. So there was another hike we were on. We were going to hike to a waterfall and the trail just just disappeared. We're hiking, we're looking for trail markers and it's just gone. We're hiking right next to a river creek and we're like, you know what, this looks

12:01 like a good place to stop. I usually take a cigar and I'll light up a cigar and I'll sit sit there and smoke cigar and just chill, and she'll go walk around in the water in the creek and do her thing, and we just enjoy nature. She was on the other side of the creek and this kind of give me chills. But I'm sitting there and I hear this low, low guttural grumble, like a growl. And the funny thing was, she's on the other side of the creek, and this is where it came from, and it's real thick, and my mom goes straight up on the other side, and she stopped what she was doing, and she looked at me from across the creek, and we looked at each other and we're like just staring at each other for a few seconds, and then we heard it again, and she just stopped and she just sat there for a second. Then the I don't I don't know how you want to put it. I think it was cool. But we heard two of them chattering back and forth to each other, real soft, real low. And she said she could hear him in her head, but you couldn't make out what they were saying. Can you describe if it sounded like anything similar at all?

13:30 Any description of what that language sounded like. It was just chatter, almost like a deep squirrel chatter. Almost. Does that make sense? I don't know how else to describe it. It wasn't. You could hear the voices change and fluctuate, but you couldn't make out any words. Gabe, have you ever heard the cra sounds? Yes, and it sounded nothing like that. Okay, I didn't want to put it into this story, but I wanted to bring it in just as was it like that or was it not? Okay, so it wasn't like that at all. Interesting. No, Her and I both feel that it may have been a couple of juveniles that were just checking us out and trying to figure out what we were doing there, because we weren't causing any problems. We weren't doing anything goofy.

14:24 They were just trying. They were just feeling us out. Is how we feel about it. Now, is this situation here? Is this in Georgia or is it in Indiana? Yeah, this was in Georgia. Okay. Have there been many sightings in that area that you were in? Yes, yeah, it was. That's up. I don't really want to give the area because but because I don't know, I just want to leave my alone and do their thing. If I say where it was, and the potentially everybody could go up there, oh yeah, that's no problem. I respect you for that. You don't want to. We don't want to mess with them for sure, and keep them safe in their habitat. Yeah. And then I had an Indiana. I had my first sighting that was that was crazy. I was doing some scouting and I had a golf cart, and I was going all these That three thousand acres that I hunted was their roads going down going through it, and there's fire lanes. The park rangers that cut fire lanes to the CRP grass every fifty yards or so, and they'd go from the road all the way to the wood line and then they would go around just basically to make it so people can get to where they need

15:56 to go and so they can get in and they can checked for fallen trees and stuff like that. Basically access roads. But they stay out of there unless they absolutely have to go in there. But I was looking. I was going down the main drag and I looked to my left down one of the fire lanes like I always did, I was always looking for deer and I it was about one hundred yards away, and it was massive. It was at least seven and a half feet tall at the shoulders and it was about two and a half to three feet thickness of the chest because it was walking across the fire lane. As I went by, we were going the same way and I hit the brakes, I backed up and it was gone.

16:51 But like I said before, there's no bears in Indiana. So something that big, it's not a bear. And that was the same area that they had a couple just a couple of years ago. They had two reportings in the same day and it was brown. It was a dark reddish brown color. It was getting close to dark. It was still plenty of daylight, but it was the sun was starting to set. But yeah, that's when I had my first sighting. Did you notice anything about it its headed all or its face or is it just a very quick sighting? Was it a very quick The fire lanes are only ten feet wide, so it was probably two strides step and then step and it was gone. But like I said, something that big can only be one thing in our area because we don't have any bears. Do you remember anything about how it was holding its arms when it was crossing? It was its right arm was back and I could make out some of the fur on the side. It's pretty long hair.

18:04 Yeah, wow, male or female? Any indication on that. I have no idea how well I know it was big and here and this is some people are gonna think I'm crazy for this, But the area that I lived was probably a mile and a half from all this, and there was a swamp that was connected to it, and my ex wife at the time, she was very skeptical. And it was about eleven o'clock one night and she was out on the porch and she comes back inside and she says, you need to come out here and listen to this. And I'm like, all right, So I go outside and I could hear screams. There were screams coming from the swamp, and the swamp is connected to this hunting preserve.

19:02 And shortly after I had that sighting, I was sitting in my living room and about ten feet up the wall on the outside, I heard wamn, something hit hit the side of my house. This happened two different times, at about two point thirty three o'clock in the morning, when I was sitting up watching TV now ten ten feet off the ground, and it just I don't know. I personally think that after that they knew I saw it, and they were letting me know that they knew. That's what I think, but I don't know. That freaked me out. How did that make you feel to know that you see the guy in the swamp, the big in the swamp, and you live a mile away from that. How did that make you feel as a homeowner. No, it didn't bother me.

20:07 I'm guns all right, mule of teeth, So I mean, I'll protect myself and need be, but a right eye opening, to say the least. Was that the same after it hit the side of your house with that big boulder or anything like that, he still felt the same way. It was his hand, I think it was. It was just a slap on the side of the house, just just letting me know it happened. It happened twice. That's even wilder gay because they could have been outside listening and then all of a sudden they're like, all right, it's time to give him the warning and just lam slap. Yeah, is that why you left that area? No, we won't get here because I don't feel like you have to get into why. But I was just curious if they were related.

21:02 Oh no, no, But yeah, there's I've seen. I've found a lot, like I said, a lot of tree structures, a lot of tree bends, just some crazy things out there. Now I want to go back to Let's go back to that night when your ex I believe is your ex wife says to come out listen to this scream. Can you describe in any way what that scream was like, if you've ever heard anything like it, or what it reminded you of. It sounded like a woman, like a woman being tortured. It was just a loud, high pitched scream.

21:45 And I mean it made my skin crawl when I heard it. And after that, I we don't have We do have bobcats, but they're not very prevalent. And I pulled up a fox. The fox was close, but not close enough. And I've never heard anything like it before in my life. So as far as that goes, I think it could only be one thing because it was loud. It was so loud. I've never heard anything so loud in my life. And that's the difference, right, That's what I usually hear, is that it sounded this one way. But the thing was is that no other creature could make the sound that loud. It would need to have a huge diaphragm, a huge set of lungs behind it in order to do that exactly. Yeah, And if it would have been a fox, it would have been muffled because it would have been on the ground and in underbrush thicket. This wasn't you could tell this was booming.

23:00 Is that the only time that you heard vocalizations around that property that main time with the screen? Okay, yeah, that was the only time I had heard that there. Yeah. And then the chattering down here in Georgia, which was pretty intense. That was crazy. That's a lot, Gabe that you definitely have gone through some stuff that area with the chattering and everything in Georgia, because you're still down there. Do you ever go back to that area we're playing on it, we're playing on going back. We haven't really since, yeah, because we try to hike. When we were on these hikes, we look for hikes that are out of the way. There we have all trails app and we'll pull it up and if it station. You may encounter a lot of people on this it's a very popular trail. We avoid those. We don't like them. We go to the ones to say, this is not a very popular trailer. You probably won't see anyone.

23:57 And when we go on these trails, we don't see anybody, so they're not Some of them are pretty much goat paths that you have to try to find your way through, and luckily I have enough experience with finding game trails that I can, I can keep finding the path. So that's pretty helpful on some of these and some of the things that we found on these trails. Like I think I see a picture of the handprint, they send that to you. I believe you did. Yes, in the footprint, we found a footprint. I found through footprints, a handprint, all all kinds of stuff. Yeah, I'm looking at them right now, actually, Gabe.

24:47 And the handprint is interesting because it's almost like something put its hand on top of some moss and you can just see where it drags down and just rag get the moss away, and that's going up the side of the mountain. She actually is it's actually her homeland. Yeah, that's my girlfriend's hand and she took the picture. She's one that found it. Yeah, man, she said here she's I think she's wanting to tell some of her stuff too. Oh she there with you. Yeah, all right, let's let's get her on then. All right here she is. Hi there. My name is Tamarat Hi Tamar, and there I've been. I actually gave a night group together in Indiana, but I moved to Georgia in two thousand and one. She didn't move down to Georgia until twenty twenty one, so I've been here for quite a long time. I started hiking in twenty nineteen, so I'm just hitting that five year anniversary of being a hiker. I always hike alone. I hike by myself. I really enjoyed just being in nature, being out by myself, being alone. A lot of people this.

26:07 I really don't care what people think. There's different opinions on it, but I do practice grounding. Other people call it earthing or physically just take your shoes and your socks off and you actually connect with the earth. I do that on every hike. I do this in water. If there's water, I'm getting in the water. But I've been doing this alone. Up until Gabe came down here. I've been hiking alone. So I've taken him back to trails that I'd been on before. And it's funny because I never really I've heard just being in the North Georgia area. There's the big Foot Museum up here, and I've heard other sightings there's this or that. I just thought I haven't actually seen it with my own eyes, so I don't believe, and I don't not believe, but I just I didn't really have an opinion of it. There was one particular trail that I was on and this is like he said, I'll use the all trails, app I'd like to go where there's no other people. I had made it all the way into this trail, it was about a maybe four and a half five miles in.

27:12 It was during the summer, made it to the waterfall. I was coming on my way back and I needed to just pretty much get off the trail and I had to pee. So I looked and I'm like, Okay, there's a boulder right there. I'm going to get off this trail where to summertime, the grass is almost knee high. Got off the trail maybe ten feet behind this boulder and went to get back up, and all of a sudden, I was just afraid. I consider myself pretty fearless and brave. Nothing scares me. I'm not afraid to be in the woods at night.

27:52 I'm not afraid to be alone. I grew up in the country in Indiana. I used to sleep outside. I'm not a paranoid or fearful person. So this particular day and it was funny. It wasn't until a few years later talking to him about it. But I was just all of a sudden, just very disoriented. I couldn't think straight. I was terrified. I was paranoid. I felt I didn't feel like I was lost, but I felt like something was trying to get me, which is it's not my character. I'm very clear headed. I'm a rational thinker. I could not find the trail, and I knew that there was this boulder and it was ten feet this way, and it probably took me twenty minutes to get back on this trail, and my ears were ringing, and I was just very confused, and my thoughts were foggy, and I couldn't think straight, and I almost felt like I was drugged. It was really a hard feeling to describe, and just between being confused and being panicked at the same time.

28:56 It just took me a very long time to get back on the trail, and I just what got me there was like go back to where you hear water, because I had followed I had followed a river going in and I finally got back on it and just started running and running, and I ran for a good mile and I finally started getting more of a clear head on my way out and I was like, ah, you just got lost. You yet paranoid. You went into kind of fight or flight mode. Fast forward a couple of years later, I take him back to the same trailer and I'm like, this is the trail that messed me up? And do you remember that one Warville? Yeah, I will say this is I can say this is pretty much A lot of this takes place up in the chatthoochio Koni National Forest, which I don't know if you know this area, but it spans a big part of the North Georgia. The Appalachian Trail is part of it. So there's so many areas I hike. It's just a vast forest system. I take him on this trail and as soon as we get in there, you okay, look at this. And I remember seeing these things but not thinking anything of it. When we say tree breaks and tree bends, we're talking trees that are broken. You've got one side of the mountain going up, and you think, okay, if a storm came through and the wind blows, you would think that a tree is going to fall towards down, towards gravity. But they're broken in the other way, and

30:27 some of them are twisted. They're young trees, but they're bigger around than my arm or my calf, and they're really high up, and they're bent and twisted almost strategically, and some of them are bent down where are twisted together and form a structure. And you're thinking, Okay, my mind automatically goes to how could this have naturally happened? Could this tree have fallen? And knocking this tree over? And so I always try to just ration it out and think, how could this have naturally happened? And honestly, we've got so many pictures and video stuff if it weren't for him coming down and explaining all this to me and showing me this. Now, this is what I'm looking for. And I'm seeing a lot of stuff that makes me question, you know, just question everything. And I've found one of the footprints.

31:22 I've found one of the handprints. I've heard the noises, the story he was telling me about when we were we had stopped in a creek and he was smoking his cigar. I actually was in the water practicing grounding. It's you just I submerged myself in water. It's almost a form of meditation. And I could hear those voices too, and I heard the I do remember him hearing. He said, I heard the one, and it just sounded this low, rumbling girl. It didn't sound like words. It didn't sound like I know what bears sound like. I've seen bears. I know what farll hogs sound like. I haven't seen them. I don't want to see them. I've seen their tracks, and then I'll turn around and go the other way. But I know what all the animals of these forests look like and sound like. It didn't sound like any animal I've ever heard.

32:17 Do you feel that there were two individuals talking to each other or did it sound just like just one individual? You know there were two? Yeah, there were multiple ones. And it was crazy because I'm sitting in the water and looking back. You think that would make me just really freak out. I'm hearing this, and I was, I remember, because I was on a small waterfall and I was kind of I think I was laying on my stomach. Was I laying on my stomach? I was just letting the water flow over me. And I stopped and I just looked at him, and he's looking at me, and I could hear them, and at first I thought I can only hear this in my head, and I wonder if you can hear this too, And he could. And I could hear from from one side a chatter, and then I would hear a voice from way on the other side. It was a different voice. It sounded like the same form of communication. It's the same, like the same I don't want to use the word animal, but the same being. But it wasn't words that were making out. It's just it's just been indistinct kind of chatter. But the feeling that I got when I say I could feel him in my head, which sounds really weird. I know it sounds strange, but I'm just gonna just come out and say it. I just I felt like they were just I didn't feel like we were in danger. And I told him that.

33:44 I told Gabe that, I said, they're curious about me and what I'm doing because I was meditating, I was doing grounding, and I said they were just they're just curious and they seemed surprised to me. That's I just I felt that feeling like I can almost pick up an emotion that I don't know. It was just a really weird experience. It's nothing I'd ever experienced before. But it wasn't negative like where I was afraid and disoriented and confused, and it wasn't like that at all. I felt like I wasn't in any harm, that I wasn't going to be harmed. I felt like it was okay. I just felt like they were like I caught whoever it was off guard, and they were just very curious. So but still I'm like, you know what, I'm going to get out of the water and get dried off and just keep on hiking up going, go on ahead and get on out of here. So that was that was one experience, and it was really interesting. It wasn't a negative one. But yeah, that was last fall a tam. When you've been out hiking, have you experienced heard any other type of vocalizations or is that the main time that you actually heard something when you were out there. This was the first vocalization that I had heard. And I try to be very quiet when I'm out and about.

35:15 I don't like with groups or any of the touristy, crowded areas. But I had never heard of vocalization before, so it was actually really cool to hear it, and it almost it didn't sound human. It didn't sound like a bear, It didn't sound it almost sounded almost like a primate. It's just it's so hard to describe because it's not like anything I had ever heard before, and it didn't sound like it sounded like it was definitely a language and not just a noise. It sounded foreign language. But it's just so hard to describe. It sounded almost if a primate, like like a great, we're a gorilla. We're talking similar. That's the most similar I could get. It sounded a little more advanced, like their voice was sounds like if they were talking, but they were lower in tone, and they it projected farther away, but it was hard because you've got the water rushing, and then you've got the mountain up and everything bounces off. There's a lot of rocks up in the mountains, so it's hard to tell what direction it's coming from and how far away it is. But it was very distinct.

36:36 That's the only time i'd actually heard anything tended several times. If they we call, they get in my head. And so now that when we hike, I'm like the bigfoot barometer like it. So everyone's looking at you are you hearing anything? Yeah, I actually don't like it because it's not cool knowing it. I don't know. It's when you have a good experience like that, when you're getting a calming feeling like it's okay. They're just curious. And then the moor we got chased, and that was weird because I had actually got off the trail and I was just chattering on about some kind of flower that was blooming. I think I was like, look at that. And then all of a sudden, I just felt like I was just drugged again, and I felt disoriented and I felt sick, and all of a sudden, I'm like like low blood sugar or something. I was like, I don't feel good. I almost I was starting to sway a little bit and lose my balance and I couldn't talk right, and I'm like, I don't feel so good. And then he, you know, got a bad feeling and he's like, we got to get out of here now.

37:54 And we got out of there and he had to drag me. And it's crazy because it's something takes over and you just lose your sense of direction and you lose your sense of control of logic, like you're afraid, but you're a disorient and you're stunned. But it's not a good feeling. I don't like being the I don't like being the Canary's I don't know if it's because of all the grounding that I practice and trying to be as connected to the earth as possible. Environmental hippie girl. So I'm I tried to stay very connected to mother Earth. Nothing wrong with that, for sure. Yeah, that's who I am. But there was another There was a third time, wasn't there. I don't know. We've been on so many hikes.

38:45 It's kayaking on the kayak trip. Oh well, yeah, I forgot about that one. Do you want to hear about the kayak? I would love to hear whatever you guys have to share, So go right ahead. Yeah, this one was last summer. Okay, we were kayaking and uh, we come up to this beach and she decided she wanted to get out and she wanted to swim a little bit in the river. Now it was in the creek, it's the river, so she's on the other side of the river. Yeah, and she's swimming, just chilling, just just swimming, thinking around whatever. And I'm sitting on the other side of the bank on the beach, just going and watching her, and she starts getting this weird feeling and I look up and I see one pull its head back, not in the it was just like you see a tree and you see a lump move. That was it like a pikaboo type thing. And then that's when she started feeling her feeling that she gets. And needless to say, after that that she shot back across the river and we kept on going. Like I said, I'm I kayak a lot too. I do a lot of for cleanups. I'm where I'm pulling tires out of the rivers, I'm jumping in and out. I am not afraid to be in these rivers up in the mountains, I'm not. I'm always in them. And in this particular river, I was like walking up the edge of the banks as far as I could, and then I'd jump in and just float down and swim and

40:19 let the current kind of take me. And I'd go swim past him and I'd be like, hey, come on coming and swim and he just wasn't in the swim. And I'm not afraid to be in the water at all. So I got I was getting close to the banks, and all of a sudden, I was just afraid to be in the water, and I'm like, I gotta get the hell out of here. And kind of simultaneously he's looking at me like we gotta go, come on, and he's waving at me and he's get out of there, come on, we gotta go. And I'm like, yeah, I'm on it, and I start swimming against the current as fast as I can, and I just all of a sudden felt like something was wrong, that same feeling that I got when I was on that hike by myself, that just something was wrong, and I was dis oriented again and I shouldn't have been there, and I just I was afraid, and that's not like me. And I think in that case, you just got too close in that I did, because it didn't happen until I got too close to that part of the part of the banks, I don't know. And let's the Otawa River goes through a lot of parks of there's some pretty dense forests that no, there's no hiking trails in there, no one hikes in. We were on that part is the Dawson Forest, right, there's not a lot of hiking in Dawson Forests, and like we were on that portion of the Edawa where you can be on the Edawa,

41:51 but you really can't be on the Dawson Forest side. There's no hiking. They don't allow you to bank your kayak there. They don't want you to be on to explore there on that side. Yeah, it was interesting that I just I was fine, just having a good old time floating around, messing around, swimming, and then all of a sudden, I'm just terrified for no reason whatsoever. Have there been reported sightings in that area as well? Absolutely? OK's And I can say this just by if you go to have you been to the I don't know, you're out, You're in a different state. There's a Bigfoot museum. And when he moved down here, I took him here. And I had been to Blue Ridge, Georgia a million times and I've always passed the Bigfitt Museum and I thought it was just some touristy little gift shop with nick knacks and T shirts and hats.

42:47 But I took him there because he really wanted to go when he first moved down here, and I was blown away with all of the scientific evidence and the documentation. But they have a map of the state of Georgia and they have a little pin marked of all of the sidings and all of They've got this really great library of where everyone has actually had actual sightings or experiences. And I'm looking at this and I'm like, holy cow, this is where I height. This is where I'm at all the time, like all of the heavy sightings, like around the Appalachian Trail and the chattahoochio Cone area and this whole part of North Georgia that I that is my turf and there's all these sightings there, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this whole time, I've been going here all the time, by myself alone, right here all the time. Yes, it's a very heavily active area for sightings.

43:47 We went on this one trail and the way I took it, they were the tree brakes are almost warnings. Don't come past this. You'll see them. It's odd you'll see them on one side of the trail prominently and not the other. And I'm not sure you're if you're a hiker, are you a hiker? I used to be a lot more than I've hiked the Appollation Trail all of Massachusetts and Connecticut. I grew up in New England, but so I have a history back in the day. Yeah, okay, you know how there's one side there or the other. Sure, So when we get on, when we get on these trails, some of them just right off the bat As soon as you get on these trails, one side, which tends to be the side of the side of where the elevation is going up, there's going to be all of the structures and the tree breaks and the tree bends, and that's where we see that. And some of them as soon as you get on that trails. And it's funny because these trails aren't I love all trails because people will complain. They'll say, I never got to the waterfall. I couldn't find it. The trails not marked, parking lots not marked. The forest system is not keeping up with this trail.

45:14 Those are the ones we go to. And I used to before I met him. I used to blaze the trails. I used to bring blazing equipment. I would make sure I got it marked, and now I would go back and I would blaze it so other hikers wouldn't get lost and now, seeing what I'm seeing, I'm like, no, I'm going to leave this trail alone, and I'm not going to blaze it and make it easy for other people to find. There's the reason the forest the forestry doesn't keep up with it. There's a reason. Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah. Wow. So now I'm respecting that and I'm I've stopped blazing the trails and I'll find it and just do the best I can to find these trails and enjoy them. Yeah. Like for instance, the one that she was talking about where she had her first infrasound. When I went on this trail, we got to this one section and it looked like it had just been ravaged.

46:12 There were trees probably sixty eight inches around, pulled up on the ground, laid across the trail all the way fifty yards for fifty yards, and you couldn't find where these trees just fell over. There were no stumps, there was no root balls, there was no holes where they came from. They were picked up and put here. There's there was, Yeah, it didn't matter. And there was tree bends, there was twisted brakes. It looked like it looked like a tornado or a hurricane went through there. And here's the thing. It was in a valley. These trees were no order.

46:53 There was no order to it. Like I said, you couldn't see where they fell over. Because that's the first thing I started doing, is I started looking to see if these trees just fell over, if they were broken from up top and it just fell down from a dead tree or whatever. These weren't. These were placed here in this area, and it went like I said, it went on for fifty yards. And it took us thirty minutes to walk through this at fifty yards because we had to walk over all these trees to get through this area. It was insane. Several years ago, when I had won on that trailer, I took pictures and I had posted it on Facebook and I said, oh, I've got an obstacle course for a trail today. Remember I took him back to it and they were still there, and he's like, that's no. Yeah, it was pretty intense. We didn't I think it had been there done there, It had been done a long time ago. It wasn't anything fresh, but nonetheless it was there. It was pretty obvious to me. But wow that you guys have some fascinating stories. You're definitely in an area where things are going on, and Tamra, I want to just verify with you. You haven't had a sighting yourself yet, correct, I have not. Okay, I have a feeling one day you will, though. Yeah. I think it's inevitable. Yeah, wow, as much as we've that I've noticed down here,

48:30 just evidence and signs, Yeah, it's inevitable. We were one of the when I found my first track down here, it was odd. It's almost like it almost looked if you there's deer tracks mixed in with tracks on the trail, and to me, it looked like they were hurting deer to a valley, because the trail kind of went and there was like a bowl down to the left or to the if you're anyways, it looked like they were running down the trail hurting deer to one mastsive area. Because then all of a sudden, the tracks, the footprints stopped, and then the deer tracks went right down into this bowl and then now it's it, and you could see where the lees were tore up. You could see dirt torn up.

49:30 It just it looked pretty torn up. And you could see on the side of the trail where it looked like a foot was sliding down the side of the trail about every ten feet. Not to be too descriptive, but in that area, did you find any bones or anything like that. Here's the thing. When we see signs and tree brakes and bins and stuff like that, we don't venture off the trail. I gotcha. Yeah, I'm not gonna push my luck. We're because the trails that we're on, we're five five miles away from the road, paved road at some point. Okay, so you're in very remote areas too. I don't want to get stuck out to her. Yeah, you put your phone up and it's there's nothing.

50:17 Wow. So when we see stuff like that, we just stick to the trail and we'll observe and look. But as far as getting off the trail, nah, it ain't happening. I was born than nine, but it wasn't last night. I like that, Gabe and Tamora, this has been a super fun chat. I know it's getting late where you guys are at because you're ahead of me, but man, I feel like I might be talking to you. I feel like you guys are going to have some more situations come up in the future, so I think we need to definitely keep in touch. If anything else happens, let me know, Gabe. Absolutely, yeah, I got plenty more Indiana. Oh you doo, oh my goodness. Oh absolutely, you're killing me, Gabe. We're gonna have to do We're gonna have to do a part two someday. Man. Absolutely, yeah, it's been fun. Yeah, this has been a good time.

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55:32 Her and I can get on here and we can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about it From the wo