July 10, 2025

Welcome to Planet Strange! | Thom Powell

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Season 1

Join us in a captivating discussion with Bigfoot expert Thom Powell. In this episode, Thom shares his incredible journey from a skeptical science teacher to a respected figure in Bigfoot research. He recaps his deep involvement with the BFRO and highlights notable incidents, including the discovery of the Skookum Cast in Gifford Pinchot National Forest and the mysterious encounters in the Clackamas River Basin. Thom delves into the concept of Bigfoot habituation and recounts his communications with a psychic that allegedly led to compelling evidence, such as a shadowy figure captured on a trail camera and an emu bone found in peculiar circumstances. Not to mention the strange, almost humorous interactions that hint at Bigfoot’s intelligence and playfulness. Thom also discusses his latest book, 'Planet Strange,' which explores the intersections between Sasquatch sightings and extraterrestrial phenomena. Whether you are a curious skeptic or a dedicated believer, Thom’s firsthand accounts and groundbreaking theories offer a fresh perspective on the enduring Bigfoot mystery.

Resources:
The Locals by Thom Powell - https://amzn.to/4hQeCNu (Amazon affiliate link)

Planet Strange by Thom Powell - https://amzn.to/4j59ypg (Amazon affiliate link)

BFRO writeup on the Siege at Honobia - https://www.bfro.net/avevid/ouachita/siege-at-honobia.asp

Animal X Skookum Cast episode - https://youtu.be/_PcvIILxG4Q?feature=shared

The Oregon Bigfoot Highway book - https://amzn.to/3FTANVs (Amazon affiliate link)

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All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege of talking

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to mister Tom Powell today. You may know Tom from

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some books that he's written. He's written a few for example,

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you know there's The Locals and his newest book, which

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is Planet Strange, and we'll be talking about that later.

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Tom has also been involved with many different Bigfoot related

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things over the years. He's written many Bigfoot books as well.

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But welcome to the show. Tom. How's it going tonight?

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Great?

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Thanks for having me on absolutely. You know, you're one

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of the individuals that I've definitely wanted to talk to

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over the years, and listeners will well know this, I think,

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but trying to you know, one of my favorite books

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is from back in the Day's Oregon big Foot Highway,

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which you did not write, but you were involved with

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as being one of the members of the Clackamis Sasquatchians, which.

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Joe, Joe just kind of threw that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe's been a friend of mine for

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I don't know, at least a decade, maybe longer by no,

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but know them well and us.

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He addresses the the drainage that I live in the

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Clacamus River. Oh, okay, I'm clo sort of the mouth

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of the river. I'm on the other side of Esticada,

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but the National Forest is upstream on the river from Sticada, Oregon,

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So that's sort of the the point of demarcation between

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the upper drainage where all the National forest land is

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and then the lower part of the river, which is

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a mix of ownership, some state, some private so on.

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That's fantastic. You know, an individual like yourself, where you've

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been in this field for many different years. I do

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like to start off with what was the catalyst point

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that got you into this big Foot field? To begin with, well,

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I read.

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Books back in the eighties. You know. Peter Burn and

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Don Hunter had a book which was pretty unspectacted, but

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there were others, but they were all pretty similar. I

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had seen John Green's book, but as a teacher, I

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was a science teacher for my whole career, and I

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confess that I ridiculed the subject and used it as

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an example of pseudo science. And every year I would

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do a throwaway lesson on the day before Christmas vacation

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when curriculum wasn't a priority because the kids were pretty

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wound up and half the class had already left for Maui.

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So I did a Bigfoot presentation. The school district had

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that in search of with Leonard Nieboy, and I'd show

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it on my sixteen millimeter movie projector and it held

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the kids' attention on a tough day. But I did

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make every joke in the book, although I was aware

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that there was this guy out there, Peter Burn, who

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was working in, among other places, the Clacamus Rivers, and he,

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you know, was very serious about his quest to find

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good evidence. You know, capture one.

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Who knows, and but I just made light of the

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whole thing for purposes of a you know, filling a

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tough day in the curriculum.

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I will say after I watched that movie countless times

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in search of with Leonard Nimoy, and it too is

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not memorable. It's just a bunch of talking heads, you know,

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there isn't any action. But I watched it and watched it,

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and I did find that, you know, Grover Krantz's contributions

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were pretty compelling, so that got me curious. But I

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lived in Portland, so it wasn't really something that I

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had a lot of direct experience with until I bought

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a place out on the Clacamus River, which I did

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just because the kayaking and rafting was good and I

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had a moonlight occupation teaching kayaking canoeing classes. So I

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bought a place on the Clackamas River and one of

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the neighbors came over one day for a beer. They

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were boarding horses on my property at the time, and

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he volunteered that, you know that bigfoot thing, well we

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get that out here. And I was a little bit

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surprised that I not only didn't take it seriously, But

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I had no idea that it was, you know, that

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it manifested so close to town and in the area

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where I had now just bought a piece of property.

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Then I saw a sign on the country store bulletin

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board saying there was a guy who was who collected

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Bigfoot sightings and his name was Frank Kineaster. He lived

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in Estacada. Yes. I called him up and said, hey,

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I do this thing every year, and it would be

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really nice if I could have some kind of thing

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to show the kids in addition to this movie. Do

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you have anything? He goes, well, you know, we cherished

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these artifacts, but I could lend it to you. And

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I said, all right, perfect, perfect. So he lent me

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a track cast, and he had a few other artifacts,

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you know, twisted stick and things like that that he

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thought were, you know, attributable to this asquatch. Well, one

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thing led to another, and I started sort of following

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the subject on my own, and then I stumbled across

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Matthew Moneymakers BFRO website. And this was probably in nineteen

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ninety four, and so it was a pretty primitive website

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by today's standards. But being a mercurial fellow that he is,

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he had trouble holding on to investigators. They would work

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with him for a while and then his as slightly

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intense personality would be off putting. But he had a

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bunch of people quit on him, and so he didn't

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have anyone looking into the local sightings that he was

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getting from my immediate area. So I started doing that

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for him, bowing up on sightings, and for a while,

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everything in the Pacific Northwest went through my computer and

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a crossed my desk. Eventually it became overwhelming as the

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subject expanded. Every time he would get on a show

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like Art Bell back in the day, then he would

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just be flooded with sighting reports. And really at times

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like that, I was overwhelmed as well. So I just

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cherry picked the sightings and took the best ones or

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the closest ones, or the most interesting ones. But then

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I started seeing the patterns, and I'm saving everything on

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my computer, and eventually I got to the point where

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I had seen people's computers crash and they lose everything

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on their herd. And that's when I started writing it

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all down because I just felt like I started to

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get some of this stuff off of my computer and

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and into print, and so I basically contacted a bunch

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of the witnesses and interviewed them and uh and and

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wrote it all down. And then one of the witnesses

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told Matthew Moneymaker I was working on a book. He

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was he was sure that it was a tell all

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book that was going to make him look bad and

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uh and that was the locals and quite the opposite.

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But anyway, so that was the end of my involvement

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with b fro uh. But you know, I was kind

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of done with them anyway, because I had learned the

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patterns and I knew that there were instances where uh,

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someone saw a bigfoot dissolved into finn air. There are

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people who have had nonverbal communication telepathy, if you will,

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and there were multiple examples of that that I had

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available to me in the late nineties. So then I

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started looking for people who were having repeat sightings because

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then I finally decided, well, this is the this is

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the gold standard. You know, the cat's pajamas is these

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people who are having the things come around repeatedly. And

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there were some. There was one couple in a place

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called Blockhouse Washington near Goldendale, eastern Washington, and they had

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them coming out of the woods and sitting around in

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plain sight. They even set a picnic table over on

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the edge of their property and people would come out

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and the sasquatch would sit there and keeping their distance.

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And then the people said, don't stare at them. They know,

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you know, they they don't like being looked at, but

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just just act like it's nothing. But there these things

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were coming around on a semi routine basis, and that's

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when I met Alan in April. Why and they live

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up near Mount Rainier. And one of the things I

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had learned from gathering all the siding reports is that

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there are hot spots and the closer you get to

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Mount Rainier, the more stuff happens. And Alan and April

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lived within I don't know, twenty miles a Mountainier, and

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so I started going out there and interviewing them, and

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they described, oh, yeah, there's three different generations. We call

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them Grandpa, Grandma, mom and dad, and then the youngsters.

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But there's three different generations. We see them. My daughter

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sees them the most. She sees them when she's on horseback.

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Quite often, horses are pretty aware of their surroundings and

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then they their their ears point at things that are

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happening in the so, you know, I had seen this before,

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but they were a really good example of of this

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repeat encounter stuff. They have kept a bunch of bunnies

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and hutches on their property, and they learned that the

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sasquatches were able to open the hutches, and the sasquatches

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would take the the young rabbits but leave the breeders alone.

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So they seem to understand that, you know, it was

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not in their own interest to take the uh, the

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breeding rabbits, but rather the offspring whatever they're called in

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and rabbit raising. But the main thing I was, of

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course interested in was a place to set up cameras,

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and they acquiesced and I got my hands on some

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early trail cams that were crazy expensive by today's standards,

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six hundred dollars for these things back then, and we

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started putting cameras around the property. Meanwhile I had well, actually,

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one of the most interesting things was I was aware

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of this situation in Oklahoma where the sasquatches were raiding

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an outdoor fridge. So I happened to ask Alan in April,

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have you ever seen this? And they said yes. In fact,

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they had not put two and two together. All they

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knew is that every once in a while they'd come

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out and the and the fridge door was open in

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the morning, and and Alan, the patriarch, would would scold

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the kids for leaving the door open, and they said,

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we didn't do that, we wouldn't. Well, then he noticed

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that a side of a pig disappeared from the freezer.

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There were ice cream bars in there that were untouched,

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but the side of a pig disappeared. And they have

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a pig roast every year, you know, Polynesian thing. They

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bury it and the coals and everything. Well they're they're

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pig vanished. And ice cream bars were untouched. So that

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sort of ruled out neighborhood kids. And I hadn't seen

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enough in other places that I was like, no, no,

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they do that. And so we of course put a

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camera on the fridge and made sure the fridge was

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stocked with things. Nothing happened, and the activity shifted to

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another part of the property, so we moved the cameras

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over there. Well, then the fridge got hit again when

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the camera wasn't on it. So little by little it

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started to appear that they understood what we were doing,

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and they were reverse to the cameras. Every time we

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would put the cameras in the location where they where

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the activity was, the activity would stop. Took me a

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while to put two and two together, and I eventually

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came to that conclusion. But my colleagues that in BFRO

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were still pretty skeptical. You know, in those days, no

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one was assigning the Sasquatches with the degree of intelligence

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that enabled them to understand and avoid cameras. Well. Now

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we laugh at that. I mean, you know, when when

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people say I don't I don't enjoy it. I just

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wanted to go away, what should I do? I tell

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them to put out a camera. That'll stop it for sure,

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And and it really does. And over and over again,

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we we put cameras in the woods and had them

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either dismantled, powered down, pulled off the tree, and left

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face down in the ground. Just just a whole bunch

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of things like that that all point to the same thing.

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They understand and are averse to this idea of cameras.

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And so that was one of the chapters in the

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locals that was sort of groundbreaking, at least in the

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time early two thousands. And then the whole idea of habituation,

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that there are people who have the sasquatches, you know,

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come around on some sort of semi routine basis. That

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was that was new with the time, isn't anymore.

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There's I want to jump in and make a connection

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for some listeners that might not get something that was

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said a few minutes ago. The locals is probably one

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of the I would consider it the best source of

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knowledge about what is considered by the community right now.

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The siege at O Nubby in Oklahoma.

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Yeah, that's where that's that's where I first learned about

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the outdoor freezers.

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Right exactly. Yeah, how how uh so were you involved

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with with interviewing anyone involved with that?

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Was the guy of that household and he shot him.

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He shot at once and he he felt that he

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hit and there was blood on the ground, and he

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he relayed that to uh, Matt and myself, and Matt

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of course said, don't touch thing. We're sunning the team

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right there. We'll we'll handle it from here. Well, in retrospect,

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that was a mistake. It was a terrible rainstorm and

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it all washed away.

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Really wow.

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Yeah, and so if anybody's ever in that position, don't

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don't wait an hour to get out there and get

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the tissue sample or whatever it is. But it is

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kind of of a weird coincidence that I don't think

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is as much of a coincidence as people think that

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when you know, something like that happens, in comes this

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rainstorm on and nowhere and washes the evidence away. There

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is a tribe I think it's in Wisconsin, and their

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name for the Sasquatch, which I forget what it is,

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but it translates into he who makes the wind blow. Wow.

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So there's something weird about weather with these things. And

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let's just say, I'm I suspect that they have powers

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that are a lot more sophisticated than we realize.

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Absolutely so, in your your opinion, because you were able

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to talk to these the individuals that were involved with this,

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you know firsthand, it sounds like it was an event

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that absolutely actually happened.

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Oh yeah, oh absolutely, And and like I say, they

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were we're having repeat visitations. One of the things that

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was happening was that they were pulling the screen, they

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were messing with the windows and tearing the screen off,

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the off the window and and and doing things that

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started to become menacing. And and that's when said I

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just wanted to go away. I don't like this thing.

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I'm not interested in gathering evidence. I want these things

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out of here. I met the guy. I went to

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Oklahoma for one of these festivals that they had right

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there in that area. And one of the people who

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attended was one of the neighbors. And he brought me

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over and showed me the place, and and man, I

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met a couple of different times, and you know, he

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he was very concerned about the safety of his family.

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It wasn't interested in gathering Bigfoot evidence. But he was

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willing to uh play ball at least for a while

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with b FRORO before he got a little exasperated with

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their their ways of being and so on and so forth.

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But you know that it was it was in the

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early days when when the sort of attempts to gather

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better information were quite ham handed.

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Sure, yeah, it's such an interesting story from you know,

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twenty some odd years ago. And it's hard to track

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down individuals. I know there was individual he's like a

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private investigator but also part of the BFO. And I

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don't even know if he's around anymore.

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To be honest, but well, one guy was an airline

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pilot pilot, one guy was a hunter. Matt put together

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a group of three or four guys who went down there,

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all card carrying BFIRO But like I said, by the

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time they got there, the evidence was washed away and

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they didn't really have a good idea about what to

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do when anyway, But eventually, you know that the activity stopped,

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as it always does, especially once you know all the

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official investigators show up. You know when unfamiliar cars start

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pulling in and then that destabilizes a situation.

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Oh absolutely, I mean it's yeah, it makes it totally different.

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You know. Another thing that you were involved with is

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uh I believe you were actually the individual that found

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the imprint that was then used to make the Scukam

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cast and Scukam medals and Gifford Pinchot. Is that correct?

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No, I didn't find it, okay, Derek and rit Nole

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were the ones who who stumbled across it. But we

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were in the Mount Saint Helen's area for a better

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part of a week. We were being followed around by

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an Australian film crew that did a show back then

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called Animal X. Right, so you know you can imagine

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what that's about. Lockness, Monster, Bigfoot, the works. And so

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for this episode, they they came out and they had

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an early thermal camera. The batteries didn't work it, it

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didn't hold the charge, and in it, you know, seemed

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to be a promising thing because you could see into

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the night. But we never got anything with it. But

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that was the big technological uh innovation that had just

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sort of come on the scene back then. But they

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weren't getting anything after a week or so of of

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hanging out and trying all these different things. So on

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our last night before we all had to you know,

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get back to town, the offices had to get back home.

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But they didn't have anything and were sort of like, look,

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what are we gonna do? And I said, well, all right,

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can I make a suggestion here. You guys have been

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sneaking around a lot. Well, I know these people Allan

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in April, and what I know is that they know

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your tricks and traps. The Saskes are up at Allan

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and Apriles. They were on to us, and they knew

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the cameras and and so instead of sneaking around and

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trying tricks, why don't you try a different approach, and

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they said, okay, what do you got in mind? And

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I said, gestures of friendliness, accommendation. You know, we got

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all this food that isn't like. We got a case

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of peaches sitting here. Put them out somewhere and and

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just see if they don't, you know, take them, but

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but don't put the cameras on them, and don't hide

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in the bush. Just just put them out there and

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as a gesture of friendlinessconciliation. And they said okay. So

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they took it off and drove up the road and

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found a big pull out on the side of the

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road where they turn around, logging trucks and big mud

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puddle in the middle of it, and they put the

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apples and peaches there in the center of the this

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kind of shot over turnaround in the middle of a

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forest road. And that's where they went back the next

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day to check their food and and that's when they

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found the big impression. And all I remember is that

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they came racing back to camp snow that night, and

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snow was melting in the morning, and they came roaring

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into camp and said, you gotta zee this, Come here,

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Come here, come here. We jumped in the car, and

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to their credit, they did notice that it there was

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an impression. They were, of course looking for footprints, you know,

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that's all we were ever looking for. It's footprints. But

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all of a sudden they at least Rick Rick Noele

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especially recognized that that that's that's something else, but that

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wasn't here before and uh and so push came to shove.

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What they deduced was that the thing sat down and

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reached for the fruit, perhaps so as not to leave

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the footprints that we were looking for.

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That's extremely interesting because there would be I mean, logically,

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there'd be no scukam cast if you hadn't had made

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that suggestion, which is pretty correct.

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Yeah.

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Wow, that's it. That's incredible. It really you know, it

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makes you think, you know, you start thinking outside the box. Yeah.

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Hey, they listened because you know, they all had their

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ideas on letting you. The funny thing was there was

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actually a degree of fear. Derek showed up with a

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landscaping trailer that he slept in, had no windows and

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had one door and he would lock it from the inside.

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And then here I am sleeping in my ARII tent

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with you know, two mil nylone and uh, and I

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don't know, a few of the guys had guns and stuff,

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but Derek was sleeping in this fortified trailer because you know,

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he wasn't sure, but that his safety was not on

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the line, and so that that was, you know, it

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was kind of humorous how how different, uh, the approaches

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were back then, and how unsure people were about putting

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themselves out there. But they did listen when I said

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quit the tricks and traps. It didn't work a fair

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at Mountaineer, and once we started being accommodating, they started

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cooperating at least a little. But there they wouldn't appear

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on camera. But but then I finally found a work

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around on that, and that is I met this psychic

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dude through Ray Crow in the Western Bigfoot Society, and

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he felt like he had communication. His name was Steve Fredericks,

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and I said, Steve, all right, well, you know we

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got this area, and we got these cameras and we've

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been putting them out for two years, so let's try something.

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Will you please use your juju to ask for permissions?

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And that kind of worked. He said, well, he said,

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he called me back after he felt like he had

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had the com intact and uh. He said, they were

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very impressed that you asked. And but he also he said,

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there's a thing and that is we don't we have

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a rule against being seen, and we also have a

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rule against being photographed. This is what he was claiming

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he received by way of a you know, a telepathic response.

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And but then within two days Alan calls me up

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and said, we got something on the camera for the

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first time, and it was a shadow. But it was

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a shadow that looked for all the world like the

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upper torso of a of a you know, primate, something upright,

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and it was the It was the first and best

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thing we ever got on the cameras and it was

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within two days of of of Steve asking. Uh. Now,

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I did not tell Alan in April that I was

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doing this, you know, trying to do a single blind

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psychological you know, you can't let each side of the

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experiment know what the other, you know. I think they

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call it single blind in psychology studies, the double blind

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was when the researcher doesn't even know themselves which treatment

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is being administered to. Well, anyway, after we got a

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camera image, but not a very good one, I didn't

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tell Steve that we got anything. I didn't want to,

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you know, sort of lead him on or anything, but

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I said, Steve, I want you to ask for a bone.

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Forget the camera. It's not a thing I want to

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And Okay, they're not going to like that, but okay.

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And so then he called me back he said, I

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did get what you said. Two days later, Alan calls

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me up New Year's Day of I think it was

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two thousand and one and said, we just found a

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bone at the base of a camera tree. So I'll

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be right up. And so I drove one hundred miles

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up there and he handed me the bone and it

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00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:11.920
was about the size and shape of a coffee saucer,

436
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.839
but it was real thick and it ended up After

437
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:23.319
checking around a whole bunch, I finally found a guy

438
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:27.079
who raised EMUs and he was able to positively identify

439
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:31.279
it as the breast bone of an emu. And uh,

440
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:37.319
so I asked Alan, do you know anybody who raises

441
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:40.880
these things, because you know people raise them domestically for

442
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:46.400
I guess meat, And he said, yeah, my dad raises EMUs.

443
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.039
Where's your dad live five miles away? Well, do you

444
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:53.200
have any explanation for how an EMU bone got from

445
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.759
it even five miles away to your house. No, I

446
00:31:56.839 --> 00:32:03.960
really don't. And of course, you know, in retrospect, it's

447
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.759
in my view, indicative of a sense of humor. Uh.

448
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.039
You know, what I was asking for was of course

449
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:17.480
a little bit audacious. You know, would you dig up

450
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.799
one of your relatives so that you could provide a

451
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:24.559
bone to some person who wanted proof of I don't

452
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:30.200
know what. Uh. But when I finally told Steve Fredericks

453
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:34.400
what happened, uh, he hit himself on the forehead with

454
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.200
his palm and he said, you know, I never specified

455
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:44.720
one of your bones. I was, yeah, it's a bone,

456
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:52.400
so and and they complied quite literally. What's amazing is

457
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.119
the timing is that it all happened within a very

458
00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:00.680
uh small period of time, and and that the people

459
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.119
who found the foot bone did not know that I

460
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:07.000
was doing this. And Steve Frederick had never visited the site,

461
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.400
didn't know where it was, so he could not be

462
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:18.279
accused of seeding the or salting whatever the word is for,

463
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:27.799
you know, leaving imitation evidence for serious minded researchers to scumbore.

464
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:32.799
Upon tom When I when I talked to individuals, yeah,

465
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.319
and I've talked to individuals for a few years in

466
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:37.920
this field. I find that sometimes there's a time where

467
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:43.680
they it changes from their investigating things, but then they

468
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.599
really get in it becomes super personal for them. What

469
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.359
did that start to happen to you? Where you started

470
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:56.480
to experience things yourself or have any experience with the Sasquatch?

471
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.880
Well, not as much as I was being for. The

472
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:05.000
frustration was that every time I showed it up, showed

473
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.400
up at Alan and Aaples, everything would stop, and then

474
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:12.360
as soon as I left, everything would resume. When I

475
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:19.320
say everything, I mean, let's just say the limited activity

476
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:25.119
that they were experiencing always stopped when I showed up,

477
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:31.840
And all of a sudden it became clear that they

478
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:38.239
understood who I was and they weren't gonna cooperate with,

479
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:46.039
you know, Joe Researcher, namely me. But sometimes there was

480
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.079
manifest a sense of humor. For instance, one night I

481
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.559
sat there at Alan and Naples and I, oh, you know,

482
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.800
in those days, we were all thought the tree knocking

483
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.159
was it? You know, that's just how they We were

484
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.599
sure that they were hitting trees with sticks. So I

485
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:04.880
sat there all night with a baseball bat, three times

486
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.440
in a row, whack whack, whack, and did that every

487
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:11.880
fifteen minutes for the better part of the night. And

488
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.400
eventually at four point thirty in the morning, I left

489
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:18.079
because I had a dentist appointment or something mid morning,

490
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:22.199
had to get back home, and I had a one

491
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:26.199
hundred mile drive at four point thirty, and I pulled

492
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:31.800
into my house at just at sunrise, which you know,

493
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:37.519
in August is about five thirty five forty five. And

494
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.480
as soon as I got out of my car from

495
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.920
the woods in the back of my property comes whack, whack, whack,

496
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.239
And I was so tired I couldn't even walk to

497
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.960
the back of the property. I just had to get

498
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:59.199
in bed and lie down. But what's funny is somehow

499
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.239
the idea was conveyed one hundred miles from Allen and

500
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:13.159
Aprels to my house, and there they were responding only there.

501
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.360
When I reflect on that, it's it's to me, that's

502
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:19.559
that sense of humor.

503
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.880
Oh, absolutely, I would definitely agree with you that, Tom,

504
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:28.000
I'd like to talk about the Oregon big Foot Highway

505
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.760
for a little bit in your own words, How would

506
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.760
you describe what the Oregon big Foot Highway actually is.

507
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.800
It's it's it's highway to twenty four. It's a state highway,

508
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.840
and then when it enters the National Forest it becomes

509
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.280
the forty two Road. But it is the road that

510
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.280
goes from s Decada up and over the crest of

511
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.360
the Cascades around Mount Jefferson and then descends down the

512
00:36:56.360 --> 00:37:00.400
Brighton Bush River to a place called Detroit, Oregon. Pretty

513
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:06.079
small town on the Santiem River, but it is It

514
00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.440
basically speaks the entire Clockamus River basin, especially the upper

515
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.000
part of the basin upstream of Sticada in the National Forest,

516
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:19.639
where a whole bunch of sasquatch sidings have occurred over time.

517
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.800
You know some famous ones like the one where the

518
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:33.679
guy saw the sasquatch lifting up rocks and grabbing pikas

519
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:37.239
out of the ground and eating them. That's up on

520
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:42.199
what's called Burnt Granite Ridge. But there's just a whole

521
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.000
bunch of siding activity that happens in the in in

522
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:52.400
along the Clocamus River and along the tributaries. Cloacamus County,

523
00:37:53.239 --> 00:38:00.159
which contains the river, of course, uh has more sasquatch

524
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.840
sidings than any anywhere else in Oregon. There are places

525
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:07.840
in Washington that has more. There's places in northern California,

526
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.480
but in Oregon, clack in this county is number one.

527
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:19.559
So Joe just did his best to collect in chronicle

528
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:24.280
as many of the historical sidings that came out of

529
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:30.599
that area, plotsam on maps and so on. I think

530
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.760
the only thing that's perhaps misleading about doing that is

531
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.760
people want to put themselves in that same place where

532
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:42.920
a sighting historically happened, or maybe even more than one.

533
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.360
But in my view, I think that's a little misguided.

534
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:55.480
I think that the sidings are not necessarily attached to

535
00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:59.519
any single spot. It's it's just that the person was

536
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:04.360
in the right place at the right time. Rather than

537
00:39:04.679 --> 00:39:08.599
put yourself at the exact place where previous sighting has happened,

538
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.599
I think you just kind of got to go up

539
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:13.760
there and camp out and hang out and let them

540
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:14.480
come to you.

541
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.440
Absolutely, I think that's a great way to put it.

542
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:23.239
It is. I mean, it's not an incredibly easy drive

543
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.639
to get through there. You definitely need to be prepared

544
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:27.760
to get down that road. Correct.

545
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:32.400
No, No, it's it's at two lane road and then

546
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.840
the center stripe goes away once you get into the

547
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:42.639
National Forest. But it's paved and it's an easy drive, scenic,

548
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:48.960
very windy, but there's a whole bunch of drainages that

549
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.679
flow into the clack in this river, Oak Grove Fork

550
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.920
and the Roaring River and Memelush Creek and Fish Creek

551
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:08.159
and up any of those creeks. Things have happened, So

552
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.840
it's not just the road itself, it's all the ancillary

553
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:17.320
roads that are are part of that part of the

554
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:22.400
Mountain Hook National Forest, but they all have stuff going

555
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.639
on the side. Roads start to get a little beat

556
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:30.679
up and primitive and they're mostly logging roads. But it's

557
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:33.519
a great piece of public land and you can just

558
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.679
drive on up there and set up camp. But it

559
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.719
is not overly difficult to get in there. But there

560
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.440
are places that are designated wilderness, like the Roaring River,

561
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:50.880
and if one wants to get into there, that is

562
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.840
actually trail less, so you sort of have to navigate

563
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:01.599
drop into these steep drainages and try your best not

564
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:02.320
to get lost.

565
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:05.400
Wow, that sounds wild.

566
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.880
Yeah, there's there's easy spots and you know a lot

567
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:13.159
of the sidings were right along the main highway, right

568
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.159
by a bridge or just you know a cop was

569
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:19.880
driving down the highway and here was this creature standing there,

570
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.920
swaying back and forth at five in the morning, that

571
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:29.639
kind of thing. So most of the sidings were from

572
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:34.760
the car window. That's really really That doesn't mean everybody

573
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.519
who drove through there is going to have something happen.

574
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:44.000
Would would that they could. It's a statistical thing, and

575
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.159
you know, the the chances of having something happen are

576
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:53.480
one in a thousand on any given day. But if

577
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.239
you go up there a thousand times, something's going to happen.

578
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.199
You know. There's this guy Les Stroud who did a

579
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:08.000
show called Survivor and he would go out into the

580
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:13.760
woods all by himself and hang out, and eventually, on

581
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:19.880
at least one of his episodes, he was approached and

582
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.840
something was moving around and really gave him the hebgb's

583
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:30.000
and that's when he sort of started taking the sasquatch

584
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.000
things seriously.

585
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.920
I will also say for listeners, if you're curious about

586
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:39.599
the sasquatch in the pika reference that Tom made, that's

587
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:43.480
I believe the Glenn Thomas incident, I think, and that's

588
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.719
called out in the book and you can really read

589
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.719
up on it in the book that we've been talking about.

590
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.400
Burt Granite Ridge. It's it's not the worst road ever,

591
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:57.800
but it's what's a little spooky for for some is

592
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.119
the fact that these roads go up the side of

593
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.440
a mountain and there's no guide rail. It's not a

594
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.519
bad road, you certainly just want to keep your mind

595
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:08.760
on the road and you quit playing with your stereo

596
00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.599
because you get a car off the off the road

597
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:16.599
and and you you might never be seen again. But

598
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.639
but Burnt Granite Ridge is where that happened, and those

599
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:23.199
rocks are still staffed there if one finds their way

600
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.280
up there, you can still see the remnants of what

601
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.880
Glenn Thomas described thirty years ago.

602
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:36.840
By now, have you had any any things happen yourself

603
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:40.880
when you were involved with the other members of the

604
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.000
Oregon Big for Highway in that area, any incidents that happened.

605
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.679
You know, I've had lots of things happen over the

606
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:53.639
years that uh, you know up in that clock in

607
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:58.960
this area. So you know, Joe and I and a

608
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:02.599
bunch of other guys would would camp out there a

609
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:08.679
couple three times a summer and sometimes you'd hear some

610
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:15.239
scream in the distance. We've had several times where something

611
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:21.760
disappeared under mysterious circumstances from our camp. One time, my

612
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:24.719
wife and I were on one of these outings and

613
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:34.000
they had a bunch of other people uh bar uh

614
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.599
what's her last name? Anyway, she was doing a bfr

615
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.920
row outing and had a bunch of people up there.

616
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.760
We went up and joined them, and one of the

617
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:49.599
participants had a GPS unit taken out of their plastic

618
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:54.480
case and and then uh Ceily, my wife and I

619
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:56.760
found it in the middle of the road a mile

620
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.360
and a half outside of camp, and they couldn't explain

621
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:05.320
how it got there. And then we went up on

622
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:11.480
a climbed up onto a promontory over this rock quarry

623
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.920
and we're sitting there and my wife took her watch

624
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.039
off and left it on the rocks, and then we

625
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:21.000
did some other stuff and came back and then she

626
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:25.559
realized she had didn't pick up her watch. Well. Then

627
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.039
the next day they some kids were part of our group,

628
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.960
said oh, we saw that watch. We climbed up to

629
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.440
that promontory and we saw the watch, but we didn't

630
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:41.679
touch it because it wasn't ours. And I said, well,

631
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:44.559
we've been nice if you brought it home. But I

632
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:46.840
guess we'll go back and get it. And the girl said, well,

633
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:49.400
the other thing we noticed is that the time wasn't

634
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.159
set to the correct hour. We had just had a

635
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:58.519
time change and so my wife hadn't reset the watch. Well,

636
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.000
then when we went back to get the watch, we

637
00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:04.760
found it right there and that time had been updated

638
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:05.840
to the correct time.

639
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:12.360
Okay, wow, now that doesn't prove big but did But.

640
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.719
Those kinds of things that you get, you know, it's

641
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:23.519
it's always something that you're not expecting and it's there.

642
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:29.679
It's as though you're being challenged to notice. So when

643
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:33.840
you're walking around in the in the woods, one thing

644
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:40.000
I had learned to notice is as these weirdly twisted trees,

645
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:47.280
usually at trail junctions. You you get other curiosities like

646
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:53.360
that that are really hard to explain. But it is

647
00:46:53.400 --> 00:47:00.000
definitely not necessarily proof, rather just an indication that something

648
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.719
intelligent and and with a sense of humor is sort

649
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.960
of leaving things and inviting you to notice.

650
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:10.480
I agree with you, Tom, I mean, I just went

651
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:13.079
out to Oregon for the first time this last July,

652
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.679
to Oakridge area, and I mean, yeah, the stuff you

653
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:20.079
find out in the woods out there like miles and

654
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.519
miles out on forest rows. I mean, yeah, you're you're

655
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:28.000
finding tree twists that are in like not just one,

656
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.880
but like multiples and like high up and it's like,

657
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.119
oh man, what's going on around here? Dude?

658
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:40.039
Well, so what I've learned is answer them, add to it.

659
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:44.239
Oh so pick a leaf and and and stab it

660
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:50.920
through a branch or or add another twist. Uh and uh.

661
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:56.400
One of these guys, I know, Toby Johnson area where

662
00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:02.039
he was, was inviting them to contribute to his rock

663
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:07.679
art and he was getting quite a you know, a

664
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:14.599
bit of back and forth. One thing that Judy what's

665
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:20.119
your name, Henry I think from Washington brought us to

666
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.719
was she said, take a picture with your phone, do

667
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:27.239
a little un arrangement there, and then take a picture,

668
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.000
and darned if you won't come back the next day

669
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.920
and things have been moved. Well, I said, Judy, so

670
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.239
are you really of the thinking that sasquatch has nothing

671
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.679
better to do than walk around in the woods and

672
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:44.039
rearrange all our little pieces of woods art? And she

673
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:48.360
said no, no, they do it with energy. They don't

674
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:53.000
have to physically be there. Look like, oh that's that'll

675
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:57.559
you scratch in your head. But I think there's something

676
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.119
to that. You know, it's pretty again audacious to think

677
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.360
that they follow you around and and and rearrange your

678
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:12.159
pieces of stick and ag that you're leaving there. But

679
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:17.400
but however it's done. You do get these acknowledgments, which

680
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:21.000
is fun, but it's it's it's again not really the

681
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:25.199
kind of proof that people would like. You know, you're

682
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:26.920
you're not going to be able to take that to

683
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:33.039
Jeff melderm and say, hey, I got proof they move

684
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:34.119
my rocks.

685
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.199
Exactly. But then it's like, at the end of the day,

686
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:41.519
like what what is really more important that we can

687
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.840
take it to an individual like that and be like, Okay,

688
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:48.719
here's a footprint or you can experience something yourself and

689
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:50.480
is that enough?

690
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:55.440
You know, it depends on the individual, but you you

691
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:58.320
better believe that there are people. And I was one

692
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:02.079
of those people who was I just felt like, you know,

693
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.239
if I work this thing long enough, it's it's got

694
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.880
to work. You know, if I put enough cameras at

695
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.719
Alan and Aple's place, it's gonna work. Well, it won't,

696
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:20.159
but what you might get is something that is sort

697
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:27.000
of personally meaningful to you. But They very much seem

698
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:31.800
to understand exactly what we're looking for, and they're not

699
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.320
going to give it to us.

700
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:39.079
You've spent so many years in this have you come

701
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:43.639
up with any ideas of what the Sasquatch might actually

702
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:47.400
be based on, you know, things you've looked into and experienced.

703
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:52.239
Yeah, And and that's what Planet Strange gets at, is

704
00:50:52.360 --> 00:51:03.199
that it The question that I finally came to and

705
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:07.360
attempted to address is where do they go when they

706
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:12.159
want safe haven? I don't think they're just kind of

707
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:17.519
roaming around in the wilderness. And these TP shaped stick

708
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.760
structures that we find in the woods are indicative of something,

709
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.079
but there are no way shelter. But they must have

710
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:31.599
safe haven, and they must have this place where they

711
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:35.480
go when they want to be left alone. And who

712
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:40.280
knows where their Sasquatch family or whatever. And you know,

713
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:45.559
my Native American sources said they come from underground. They

714
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:51.400
emanate from within the earth. So that's really what Planet

715
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:57.119
Strange attempts to address, is what is the evidence and

716
00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:04.199
the indications of this subterranean realm? And I do believe

717
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:08.199
that it is the place where the Sasquatch and the

718
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:15.000
extraterrestrial phenomena intersect, and they do intersect, they do know

719
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.559
each other. I believe the Sasquatch are essentially doing the

720
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:24.519
heavy lifting, and they are the observers and guardians of

721
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.360
what happens here on Earth. But they answer to a

722
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.280
higher power, which may come and go from the planet,

723
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:35.400
and I think they do. I think they originated from

724
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:39.480
somewhere else in the galaxy. But I think it's probably

725
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:43.400
a mistake to suppose that the extraterrestrial phenomenon as it

726
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:49.079
manifests today necessarily comes from space. I think they are

727
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.519
already here. They have been for one hundred thousand years.

728
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:58.000
They're comfortably ensconced on planet Earth, and those lights and

729
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:03.159
things that we see in the sky emanate from again

730
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:04.480
within the Earth.

731
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:11.039
You hear so many, so many accounts of that when

732
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:14.559
you talk to witnesses about how you know, maybe there

733
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.280
is an orb they saw after they saw a sasquatch,

734
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:20.280
or they saw a sasquatch controlling an orange. Just it's

735
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:27.679
so interesting when you hear those those tales of lights.

736
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:32.199
But the Planet Strange book is just you really get

737
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.559
into some some interesting territory. I mean, you're talking from

738
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:43.639
about everything from the Pyramids two giants, the.

739
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:51.079
Mound phenomenon, er muted triangle, there's a there are a

740
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:58.280
litany of phenomena that we tend to look at separately

741
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:04.559
that that probably intercept or let's just say, when when

742
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:09.239
you hit a wall, it's often because you're not asking

743
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.519
the right question. And in this case, I asked the

744
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:20.519
question of how do these seemingly separate phenomena interact, and

745
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:26.400
all combined to suggest something that has been right in

746
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:29.400
front of us for a long time, but we just

747
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:33.880
have not you know, sort of put two and two together.

748
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:37.920
So that's what I attempted to do, is take a

749
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:44.280
bunch of unexplained things and then suppose that perhaps the

750
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:48.400
question that we're not asking is how they interact. One

751
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:52.559
of them being does this asquatch have any interaction with

752
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:57.320
the extraterrestrial phenomena? And I think that the answer is

753
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.599
a definite yes.

754
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.159
I mean you that's something else that comes up in

755
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:09.480
a lot of these accounts, especially I mean you're you're

756
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:12.159
probably aware of like the Chestnut Ridge area out in

757
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:20.199
southwest Pennsylvania. There's so many accounts out there where it's connected. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

758
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:21.679
mm hmm.

759
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:27.400
Stan Gordon had some great stuff that people are generally

760
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.480
unaware of. One of the questions is how they get around,

761
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:35.639
and he found that there was an indication that, well,

762
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.719
there were some people who said, oh, they have a

763
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:40.440
they have an annual get together and it's up in

764
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:45.519
the Yukon, and uh, this is the Sasquatch now and

765
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.199
and so the question is, well, how do they all

766
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:53.679
get there? And and one Native American source said, well,

767
00:55:53.719 --> 00:56:01.559
they ride the steel snake. What the steel snake? You know? Trains? Well,

768
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:09.199
Stan Gordon had had these outlier sidings from Pennsylvania or

769
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:16.800
Kentucky where the Sasquatch were seen riding standing on the

770
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:24.159
coupler in between the freight cars. Uh, traveling on trains.

771
00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:32.400
That's crazy, but it why not? You know, they they're

772
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:35.800
they're quick, and they're agile, and and I see no

773
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.599
reason they couldn't jump on the thing and save themselves

774
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:43.519
a whole bunch of steps. Uh. You just wonder whether

775
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.480
there's ever a hobo in the box car who who

776
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.400
had those Sasquatch jumped in.

777
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:54.639
Yeah, exactly. It makes you wonder, like I almost want

778
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:58.800
to do a search to see if there's sighting accounts

779
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:03.880
that have been taken from you know, hobos that did

780
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:07.679
see a big foot, like when they were on a car.

781
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:08.840
That would be pretty cool.

782
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:12.400
I think one of the things that I unearthed over

783
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:19.000
the years is that sometimes the most unassuming member of

784
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:26.400
civilization or society is the one who has the most

785
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:31.800
you know, vivid story, almost as though the entities understand

786
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.280
that this person has no credibility and therefore we could

787
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.679
do the foxtrot in front of them and it's just

788
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:41.400
not going to get any traction.

789
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:46.280
That is extremely interesting. Is there a particular example where

790
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:47.360
you saw that happen?

791
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:54.480
Well, I mean, it doesn't come to mind, but I

792
00:57:55.079 --> 00:58:02.599
think there's a few different times when you know, somebody

793
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:07.000
had a very vivid encounter who was also either underage

794
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:14.079
or you know, no other corroborating witness, uh, not a

795
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:19.360
person of any great credibility, So that you know, historically

796
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:23.119
b f R has always tried to find the sightings

797
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:28.320
that that can be assigned to a person of credibility. Uh.

798
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:35.679
And so engineers, uh, you know, train operators UH see

799
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:41.559
things a lot but don't always talk about them. But

800
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:47.000
if you can find a priest, or a airline pilot

801
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:53.159
or I don't know, just somebody of elevated credibility that

802
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:58.760
strengthens their sighting. But you know, it does seem that

803
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:03.119
the well alan in April for instance, you know, really

804
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:10.360
unassuming salt of the Earth folk, few semi operational cars,

805
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:15.079
lying around, their son living on the property in a trailer.

806
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:20.000
You know, just real Salt of the Earth types are

807
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:22.920
over and over again, the ones who seem to have

808
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:30.119
the repeat sidings West Virginia, Oklahoma. You know, it's almost

809
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:39.199
like they're chosen on account of their lack of credibility

810
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:41.280
in a wider audience.

811
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:46.079
That's really interesting in you know, it reminds me of

812
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:49.760
those you know, I just watched again. I have a

813
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.599
few favorite documentaries, but like in Search of Bigfoot by

814
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:58.079
Robert W. Morgan, it's the old old one filmed up

815
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.840
in the Cougar, Washington area. But like they're you know,

816
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.679
they're just talking to two loggers that had sightings and

817
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.039
that kind of stuff. That's what I love, you know,

818
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.840
just hearing uh stories and accounts from you know, as

819
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:13.639
you said, like Salt of the Earth people, just normal

820
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.039
everyday people. That's what I That's what I love.

821
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:24.480
But but they they're they're they're not taken very seriously

822
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:32.760
because of their you know, country accent and uh one

823
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:38.840
strap broken on their coverall. Uh. But but if you

824
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:43.480
can get past all that you you you I think

825
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:50.159
can learn some things by given people. You can learn

826
01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:53.800
you can go so much and and and talk to

827
01:00:54.079 --> 01:01:00.039
uh uh loggers uh over a beer and and and

828
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.719
they all have a story, but they all understand that

829
01:01:03.719 --> 01:01:10.440
that you know, no one wants to hear it, and

830
01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:16.599
they they don't have any particular credibility. But if if

831
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:20.280
if you give them a chance, they'll.

832
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:24.719
I think that's that's a great way to put it, Tom,

833
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:28.079
is you know, there's so many people out there that

834
01:01:28.239 --> 01:01:31.159
definitely do have something they want to share, but it's

835
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:35.039
just giving them the chance to to to share what

836
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:39.880
they've experienced. And you, Tom, has been just a fun

837
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.800
time chatting with you. You remind me of an individual

838
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.400
I used to talk to a lot. His name is

839
01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:50.280
Henry Franzoni and very similar. I mean, rest in peace,

840
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:54.000
Henry a great guy, but you are both very similar.

841
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:57.119
It's a it's a just a fun time chatting with you.

842
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:03.719
Before we we end our our talk today, is there

843
01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:06.800
anything else that you were wanting to share or is

844
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.400
there a way that people can you know, reach out

845
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.400
to you or you kind of a little bit, you know,

846
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:16.920
you you write your books and then maybe uh in

847
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:18.039
the shadows a little bit.

848
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.519
Well, you know, I got an email and I don't

849
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.679
check it all that often. It's th h O M

850
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:30.719
dot p O w e l L at Yahoo. So

851
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.039
if someone really needed to talk to me, I guess

852
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.880
I would encourage them to email. Uh might take me

853
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:41.119
a few weeks to get back to them. But I don't,

854
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:44.719
you know, see myself as the r biter of any

855
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:53.559
you know, particular wisdom. All I got is a bunch

856
01:02:53.599 --> 01:03:01.639
of statistical patterns and some sort of out their ideas

857
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:08.599
that seem to have fallen out of my looking for

858
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:13.840
patterns to the sightings. So I would say, you know,

859
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:24.440
anybody can get to the point of leading the sort

860
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:30.239
of the knowledge starting by just reading books. And I

861
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:34.199
think sometimes, I mean, it's it's fine to watch stuff

862
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:39.400
on the internet, but it's one of those subjects that

863
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:44.519
you just sort of have to get into book lengths

864
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:48.519
sets of material in order to really start to put

865
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:54.360
things together. And you know, I guess more and more

866
01:03:54.519 --> 01:04:00.679
I'm seeing that people rely on electronic sources of information

867
01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:06.559
and uh, and the books get pushed aside. But I mean,

868
01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:10.760
I'm not just hawking my own books, but just reading

869
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:13.320
the literature that's out there. There's so much of it.

870
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:16.960
There's that this guy Chris Noel up in Vermont, and

871
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:23.760
he's really come into some really interesting things. And his

872
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:27.360
analysis of the path of the of the data suggests

873
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:32.679
that there they show indications of being a savant and

874
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:37.119
you know, extremely aware of of of details and they

875
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:40.000
can walk into a woods and and notice the one

876
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:42.440
thing that has been moved since the last time that

877
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:47.119
they were there. Uh So his work is really interesting.

878
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:51.840
I'm trying to think of who else. Well, you you know,

879
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:58.480
you got Joe's one the Bigfoot Highway. That's he he

880
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:03.880
doesn't really he just reports and and that's kind of

881
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.920
the way John Green and all these guys did for

882
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:13.800
all this time. But I think more and more I'm

883
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.800
sort of of the feeling that, at least with my

884
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.559
own books, that you know, you can't just report, you

885
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:29.559
have to speculate, because you know, that's sort of how

886
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:32.840
we advance the knowledge.

887
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:37.079
Absolutely, I think that's that's a great way to put it.

888
01:05:37.199 --> 01:05:42.800
So guys, make sure you if you're interested by what

889
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:46.400
you've heard tonight check out the Planet Strange book by

890
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.119
Tom Powell. You can get it on is the best

891
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:51.320
way to get it on Amazon, Tom? Or is there

892
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:51.960
another way?

893
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:55.360
You know, none of us want to give Jeff Bezos

894
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:59.599
any more money, but does a good job. But but

895
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:04.599
Edges of Science was my third one, and it's really

896
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:07.800
where I first started to go round the bend and

897
01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:12.400
speculate as to how these things had. You know, for instance,

898
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:16.400
the chapter on communication it is in Edges of Science

899
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:18.920
was originally going to be in the Locals. It was

900
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:23.880
the thirteenth chapter, and in two thousand and two or

901
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:27.599
whenever it was, I had some people proof for it

902
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:30.519
and they said, ah, man, I think you should get

903
01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:35.199
that chapter out of there. It's just too much. And

904
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:40.079
one of my proof readers said, why don't you have

905
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.519
that be the first chapter of your next book, because

906
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:46.039
you're really you're going way out on a limb with

907
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:51.760
this idea that you can communicate with these creatures. And

908
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:56.119
so I took their advice, and obviously in retrospect it

909
01:06:56.199 --> 01:07:00.599
was maybe a little bit, but it did up being

910
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.480
the beginning of of then what ended up being the

911
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:09.360
next book, which was Edges of Science. But the one

912
01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:12.920
that's lost in there is the novel and and that's

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called Shady Neighbors, And it doesn't necessarily advance the knowledge,

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but it's a it's a cute story, that is, you know,

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I wrote as a sort of a family friendly but

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still edgy, kind of a Sasquatch treatment. And I was

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working at the middle school of course at the time,

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and so I I wanted to write something that you know,

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teenage audience could read and and you know, get something

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out of very cool.

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So it sounds like something for for everyone to check

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out from from the books that you've written so far, Tom,

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01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.000
But yeah, we will will definitely be uh you know,

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keeping an eye on it. Sounds like you'll be in

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some some things in the future. Which will be.

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Next appearance is this one? This event they do in

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Hocking Hills, Ohio.

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Oh cool, you're going out for that? Yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, and that's in August. I don't do the

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appearances as much as I used to. But that's just

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because you know, I got exhausted and it's uh yeah,

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my wife busy remodeling.

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There you go, I get it. Yeah, But Tom, thank

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you for spending some time tonight talking about you know,

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your your past work and experiences and also about your books.

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And it's been a fun time chatting. Thank you so much.

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01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:54.359
You're so welcome.

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I just wanted to take a few minutes to say

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thank you to you. Holmand. Listeners or listening to the podcast,

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Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow Oregon,

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the north part. If you get what I mean. I'll

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