We've got Bigfoot ALL over Macon County with Tim Dills!

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0:40 I've got the privilege of talking to Tim. He's a bigfoot researcher from western North Carolina. And how's it going today, Tim? I'm done great. Sarah, how about you? Oh man, I'm having a great day. Just got back from Oregon, so kind of getting back into the swing of things. But I heard about you through our mutual friend missus or Harley Owens from down there in eastern Tennessee. Big or a big big four Nope, bigfoot reports and data, and yeah, it's just a pleasure to meet you. And it sounds like you've got some really interesting things you've been involved with since about two thousand and eight. Yes, since two thousand and eight, I have had four sidings, and I've had just tons and I mean tons of interactions with them throughout the years.

1:32 Most of my areas, I keep stuff going. Anything I see they do undo so that I can keep the interactions going. So, yeah, take us back to the beginning, how this all started for you and how you first realized that, yeah, there's something going on out here. Okay. The way that started is actually kind of funny. They was a guy moved in up above me. His wife family has other land here in the county that I live in, and they've moved up from Florida. And I was actually outside skinning the deer. I'd been deer hunting and I'm skinning my deer out and this guy comes up and he says, hey, my name's no from Corbett.

2:15 I just moved in the hill up here, and I'll get back with you. I see you liked hunting fish. I liked hunting fish too. I mean just talking the first I couldn't hardly keep up with him. And he said, I'll see you in about two weeks. And he went back to this truck and took off, and my wife walked up and said, who in the world was at And I said, well, I've got his name is now from Corda. He just moved in up here and he likes to hunt and fish and sees that I do too. So he's going to give me a cold and in a couple of weeks and you know, just see if we become friends or whatever, just hang out. So in about two weeks, just true to his word, he showed up and he said, let's go fishing. I said, okay, So we headed out and he was talking to me and talking about the property that they have up here.

3:06 It's eighty six acres surrounded all by National Forest and it is actually locked behind far service gates. They are the only ones them and the for Service saw are the only ones that have access to the gate. So he said, it's going to be a good place for us to hunt. If you'll help me put out feeders and all that kind of stuff. He said, then them we'll start hunting up there. And I told him, I said, yeah, that'd be awesome. Just let me know when and what. So he told me, he said, the first thing we got to do is play a trick on my boys. And I said, okay, not written on what he meant.

3:49 He said that they. Had snuck a set of falla deer horns out of the cabin into the front of his tilt me and whenever they've done that, they just stuck the horns around so you couldn't see nothing but the horns. And he seen that picture and he was like, that was actually back when trail Ken's had the thirty five millimeter cameras in them, and so he went and got it developed. The first thing he sees is that deer, and he said. He told his boy, I said, I've got to get in the woods. These things ain't coming around here. He said, I ain't a coming out of the woods till I do.

4:30 And she said, did you look at any other pictures? He said, no, I ain't got time. And his BENI wingies and buyingies and all that crackers and stuff in the buggy. He's getting ready to go sit on the deer stand that evening, and she finally got him talked into going and looking at that other pictures and the very next one is his boy, both of his boys and their friends holding those deers. And he told me, he said, so we have got to pay them back. And I told him, I said, all right. For some reason, I remember this at the time, I hadn't thought about it in years, but I told him, back in the seventies, my dad had one of his friends was hunting and they come across some tracks in the snow that was barefooted.

5:17 My dad friend is about probably six five sixty six, you wears a size thirteen shoe and it was bigger than his shoe. And in one of the locations in this county called stand In Indian and that's a big campground, the national forest and all of that. And they had seen that track back in the seventies. And I told Notion about it, and I told him, I said, I tell you what we'll do. I'll make you said of those tracks, and whenever I get those maids, we'll go well to some tracks up and we'll just have some fun with him. He said, yeah, that'll work. So we did.

5:58 We went up there and put tracks down in the mud and broke a few limbs and stuff like that, and and honest to give us, I never would have thought of the big foot around here if they what truly was something. And I figured they'd be out west somewhere, and so we done real good and made up some stuff for them to find. And now his boys, that was in their mid twenties, so you know, it's not like little kids or nothing. But he said, I'll come up with them tomorrow and we'll go with them and see what they think. And I told him, I said, you'll have to go by yourself, because you go, I'll get tickled. I can't. I can't.

6:45 I can't have myself that good. And so I stayed at the house and he went up and they walked right by the tracks to start with, and he told them, he said, now you ain't getting me again. I see this tracking is made and they said walk track, and he said this one right here, and when they seen it, they. Just freaked out, Oh lord, daddy, we've got big foots. On the property. We're gonna have to get over the trail. Can we can bind it and the woods and get pictures of them that'll be worth a lot of money. And they just took it hook line and sinker and so they had a band at the time and they had to play that night, and they was actually going to cancel their gig and get in the woods and loose, and told him said, no, you've got to honor your words.

7:31 So they went on to their gig. And while they was at the gig, Nowsan was with them, of course, so I snuck up there and messed things up on the porch, turned chairs over and throw clothes on top of the house and all of this stuff. And whenever they got home, about two o'clock in the morning, they called her dad and told him, said that thing's been back up here while we was gone. So the joke went over real big, and the next day they figured out it was us. So everybody got a good life out of it, and men knew them started putting feeders out and that kind of stuff. And there was a hog root in his yard up so we got up in the top of the loft of his little cabin and waited on for it to come out. One evening and the spot where it said has got creek and laurel bushes real heavy around it, and there was three raccoons come out of the laurel bushes and out into the yard, and they fed around there in the yard for a few minutes and then turned around and run back in to the bushes. And when they did, one of them grabbed one of the raccoons. At the time, we didn't know what it was, but it grabbed one of the raccoons and started killing it. And I don't know if your listeners know what that sound is like, but it's.

9:00 It's a terrible sound. And the coon quit squalling, and all of a sudden, you just heard a big who and everything went dead quiet. And I looked at him when I told him, I said, buddy, boy, I know every animal in these woods. I have seen black panthers. I have seen the red wolfs that we have that they turned back in the fifties, turned up in the fifties. I said, I have seen all of that, and this one I can't explain. Number One, it wasn't a dog, because there's no barking. Whatever jumped on that coon. You know, a big sized coon plus up a pretty good fight. So I knew it wasn't a dog, and I knew it wasn't somebody. And I knew it wasn't a bear because the roarer that it does. A bear don't make that kind of roar. They're just more they just actually just more hoff than anything. And we were sitting there talking requited about what it could be, and then it started whistling, and I told him, I said, Bud boy, I do not know what this is. I said, the sound that it made, I don't know. And for it to start whistling after that, I definitely don't know what it was. And it would whistle every few seconds, and about every ten to fifteen seconds, i'd say, And we decided we'd go outside and see what we could see.

10:30 And when we turned the lights on in the top loft of the cabin, it wit whistling. And we went outside and never heard it no more, never thought that much about it. And from then on things started happening. The more that we was up there, the more things would happen. We would put up put up feeders, cut trails through the woods that we wanted to deer where we wanted to deer hunt. We wouldn't make us a trail, and we would come back and brush would be piled up on the trails going to our deer stand. Our feeders would be messed with the trail cameras would be messed with that kind of stuff. So we started paying a little bit more attention to what was actually going on, and you know, we started to realize that these limbs and stuff that are being carried in, they've been rung off.

11:28 They've not been broke by byre nothing like that. They've not been chewed on or anything like that. They had actually been just like somebody had put their hands and wrapped them off the trees. And the more, like I was saying, the more we was up there, the more stuff that we had happened. We was putting one of the feeders up and I'm holding the ladder for him and the rockets behind me, and it's in the middle of winter, so we know there's no records falling, nothing like that, nothing else it could have been. And I asked him, I said, did you drop something?

12:09 And he said no. I said, I think I heard something hit behind me, and he said, yeah, I did too, And. So we started just you know, just being a little more cautious and looking around. We never did see anything. We went back up to that same feeder a few days later and was going to fill it back up, and we started putting the corner in it, and one yelled and it done. The long drawled out yell like Bobo does on finding Bigfoot, that big long drawl, and it was so loud that it just made your whole body shape. And when it started, we thought it was actually an airplane of coming across the ridge real low, because the Forest Service had been doing some mapping and logging areas and stuff. But when it tapered off, we could tell it wasn't. But about fifty to seventy yards of bous and that was the first, other than the grail, the roar that it did when it got the coombe, that was the first vocalization that we heard. And it really got our attention, and you know, we didn't slow down of what we was doing, but we started paying a lot more attention, taking pictures of stuff that was happening and that kind of stuff. And that went on

13:40 for years. I mean, every time we would go up there, we would have some kind of interaction, whether we was getting yelled at or stuff being placed in our trails, going to our deer stands, and like I said, messing with the feeders and the trail cameras and I was up there one evening men Newsom was a deer hunting and I'm sitting there and I hear. Two people, what I thought was people at the. Beginning, start talking and I could understand everything they said except the language. It was a language I'd never heard of.

14:23 And I texted Newsom. That was on a Tuesday evening, and I texted him and I told him, I said, I hear somebody on your property. I said, I can tell that there's two of them, but what they're saying don't make any sense. I've never heard that language before, and I have got Native American Cherokee and my family, so I have actually heard third language, and honestly, was a lot like Native American. Language, but with monkey gibbers thrown in, you know, grunts and. That kind of stuff. Weeks and everything. So he told me, he said, we'll sit still until it gets dark because whoever it is will have to turn the lights on to get out. Well, we set to way way after dark and no lights ever come on. So we just decided to leave and then with us back in there on Thursday of the same week, and it happened again, and all of this is happening, so we're starting to put the puzzle together that there's actually something up there, especially once we heard the big long drawbout yill that it does or hell, whatever you want to call it.

15:46 Big for society will be right back. After these messages, I had actually heard Bobo do that on finding Bigfoot, and when I heard that. I thought, well, that's exactly what Bobo does. And I told my buddy, I said, you may have some bigfoots up here, and he was like, you recognize, said, well, things is sort of adding up that way. And after for about two two and a half years, every time we would go in, they was either throwing stuff or putting stuff in our trails. My buddy passed away and I lost rights to go on to the property, but until we quit going on his property, we were still getting stuff put in our trails. I mean tops of pine trees broke out and drove into the ground, big bushes and trees broke over the trail. The yell and then rock throwing and stuff stopped after about two years, but messing whether trails and their cameras and stuff that continued up until he got sick, and I think it

17:16 was twenty twenty. Tim I definitely have a few questions for you. This is i mean, a really incredible area. It sounds like, and I'm I'm sorry that you lost your friend as well. That's that's just extremely sad to hear that he has passed. There's probably a question that a few listeners are thinking, so I'm going to ask it, Yes, sir. What was it that. Did you ever have the thought when this first started that oh, is this just the is this just a retaliation prank or what was it that made you think, Okay, this is real and not just the boys trying to prank us back after we got them back.

18:10 One thing was the bullies was still living in Florida. They was on their own and they was traveling with the band around all over Florida and Tennessee. And was it up here when things was happening. That was one of the first things is that we where we had our trail cameras. The bullies knew about, but you would walk right by without ever seeing them, so we knew there wasn't nobody coming on his properties. Not only did we have trail cameras in the woods, but we also had them on the driveway coming up in case people wanted to come in trespassing and that kind of stuff.

18:53 But the way that we knew it wasn't his buys is that they was not even in the state at the time when most of this was going on. That makes a lot of sense. Were there ever any Did you ever have any visuals on the property of all of the creatures at all? Not on this property. I didn't I have seen then, but you would sort of have to see the layout of the property. It's actually laying at the mouth of where two little valleys come down and just one little flat spot. I mean, it was about the only place you could tell the house and the rest of it is high mountain ridges, and it is absolutely full of laurel bushes rhododendrons. We call them laurel bushes around here. But just the lay of the land what I have worn since then is it's hard to get above them. They're always going to have the high ground and his property. They seemed to stay right on the ridge right behind his house, so that whenever we come in, they would know we was there as soon as we pulled into the driveway.

20:15 Did you ever were you able to ever get any audio recorded on the property? Not there, and that's one thing hit myself about. I was just documenting stuff on my phone. I wasn't really into researching that. I would document stuff, you know, like footprints and what they had break the limbs over and that kind of stuff, but I never really got into into the documentation and audio recording and all of that stuff until I met the guys that I'm in a group with now called Dirty Sack Dirty South Squashing, and they got me to taught me how to build recorders.

21:03 Our audio recorders will record twenty four hours a day for two weeks, and then we have to go in and change them. And so they have got me, got me in on learning how to do that, and I have got a lot better at it. But I'm also a lot of the times that I'm in the woods, I am actually deer hunting, hog hunting that kind of stuff. So I ain't always got one of our pros on men all of. That stuff because it just gets too much to carry. But we do have certain research areas that have high activity, and that is where we do most of our research in that.

21:46 Now, do you feel like you ever had any communication with the creatures on that property back and forth? I do. I honestly think that they have come to accept us. The me and my dad was up there bow hunting and it was getting that time evening for deer and stuff to start moving. And this was in twenty sixteen, back when it was a drive that we had all the wildfires, and I actually, this is one of the few times I have ever heard one come in around me. But at first I thought it was deer.

22:30 And it's in November, so all the acrons and hicky nuts and all that stuff's off the trees, and there's rock lands about fifty yards out from me, and I felt comfortable enough and been around them enough to know that they wasn't gonna hurt me, or if they was, they could have done it, you know, years ago. So I thought, well, I'm just gonna sit here and see how close they'll throw the rocks. And the next one he had about thirty five forty yards from me, and then about twenty yards, and then about ten yards, and then the next one landed about a foot and a half from my foot, and I thought, well, it's definitely time to go, and I called my dad and told him.

23:17 I said, well, they're up here throwing rocks at me it's time to go. When he told me he had never heard him do the whistle, and he was telling me there's where he was at. We took an old portagohn and made a blind out of it, and he hunted up closer to the theater and he told me, he said there was something down at the portajohn blind and it would whistle once, and something straight above me between me and you, it would whistle twice. And evidently what it had done was the second one that was done. The two whistles. It circled in around above me, and when it was time to go, they just let me know.

24:01 I know, it's sort of hard to figure out, but I honestly felt like that they was used to us and knew that we wasn't a threat, and when they didn't want us to round, instead of being aggressive or anything like that, they would just suddenly, you know, let us know, usually rocks ben throwed, or a stick throat through the wood top of the trees or something like that. Did you ever try whistling back? I do. And that is actually when I was talking about the noose and being on the ladder putting the figure up, I had actually been standing there doing the whistle, and it probably wasn't five minutes after being up there that it through the rock in behind us. And for some reason, and I don't know why I do it, but it has been stuck my head. And I'll find myself just to walk in through the grocery store, walmart wherever, and I'll be doing that whistle, and I honestly don't know why I'm but it's just something that is stuck with me.

25:14 And I actually do it when I'm in the woods, and I won't even realize I'm even doing it. Is that something where you could do that right now? Maybe not directly into the phone, but to the side. It'd just be would it would be interesting to hear what it sounded like. Yeah, let me get a ship water and oh, sorry to put you on the spot. Oh that's okay. It's just a single note to just go. That wasn't very loud. Oh really, Oh oh boy, that sounds familiar. Yes, I've heard that something similar in Oregon. Yeah, And we had there's a commun munication going back and forth and it was the most it was the most interesting slash horrifying thing I've ever seen, just the communication between one of our group and whatever it was just in the tree line.

26:15 Man, that sounds familiar. Dude, Wow, wow, I'm glad. I'm glad that you recognize it that way. They know I'm not just making something. No, you're not, You're absolutely not. Tim. Wow. It sounds before we move on from this area. So it sounds like this area was sold after sold to someone else. No, once he died, his daughter got married, and the son in law started keeping things up up there, so they was you know, I only went up fire because of being him, being friends and doing stuff together. And there was really no reason for me to go back up there because this and law took over and was is a lot younger than both of us, so I help him. You know, we was always bowing and just keeping the place up, and the son in law took over that, so there's really been no reason for me to go back up there.

27:21 It'd be interesting to know if that son in law is having issues happen or things happen on that property. I would guess it didn't just go away, but you never know. Oh, and I've talked to him and he still gets that creep out feeling when goose up there, like something of watching him and and that. Kind of stuff. And one of my research areas is actually just across the ridge from his property, and we have that is where I saw my second one, and we get a lot of audio and that. Kind of stuff from from that area.

28:01 Like I say, which is just across the ridge from Notions Famili's property. If it wasn't such a big bridge and it was just a straight line, I would say, it wouldn't be not even high a mile. Oh okay, so I I see what you did. So if you can't get in that area, I just make a research area relatively close to it. And it's probably the same bigfoot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it. That's smart. Can you walk us through what kind of things you experienced over in that area? And it sounds like you had some actual visual sightings over there. Yes, sir, that area I was actually that was actually one of my main hunting places. And then once I started learning the signs that they leave, I started recognizing it in that area. And that is when I met Bob Trent and Dat Canbell there, the two founders of Dirty South, Squatking and the White come up and went with men. We started putting audiold recorders in there, and we've got a lot of good stuff out of our one.

29:16 And this is it's on the subject, but it's one of them things that we still ain't figured out. On our audio recorders. At about two. Thirty in the morning, you hear what sounds like two hammer heads hitting together. And this place is about a mile and a half back into the woods. So that's one weird thing that we've never figured out what in the world that was, But we have got good audio. Old day we actually had them walking up and sniffing and smelling the recorder, throwing rocks at the recorder, or I'm pretty sure it was rocks. It could have been acorns, but the time of year, they're probably eating the acron instead of instead of throwing them. Also in that area, we is word that. Like I was saying, I saw my second one. We were walking in one day to change all of our audio requarters out in our trail cams and we smelled one. And just so people know, they don't smell all the time.

30:26 Big for Society will be right back after these messages. They can do it just like a skump does. And the reason that we know this on multiple times we've had them up windows, and you'll smell them and then they'll follow right along with you. You'll hear them right up above you, and the wind's not changing directions, but you don't smell them, so they do not smell all the time. But we actually smelled that one, and we're standing there talking about it. It was in an old, growed up clear cut and everything was quiet. There wasn't no birds making, no noise or nothing. And we're standing there talking about smelling that, and I seen something moving the clear cut and I told my buddy the White I said, there's somethingthing moving in that clearcut. So we stood there and talked a little while longer, and I've seen it move again, and I told him, I said, there's definitely something moving in that clear cut, and I showed him worse. So he took his camera and zoomed in, and there was one behind a big burn of dirt with nothing just its head over top, and it actually had a big green leaf across its forehead. You can

31:59 see in the pictures across its forehead and you can see it south sow. It's the bridge of its snow sticking out and the comical shape to its head So that was the second one that I had ever seen, and that one followed us all the way in there and back out that day, and like I said, about a mile and the heights in there and the mount of the heights back out. So you saw it through the camera. Did you actually see it move as well? I've seen it move. That's what got us to got him to take the camera and zone men. Okay, oh thick that it was hard to see with the naked eye, but when he zoomed in with his camera and done just a panoramic video, you could see it. Wow.

32:51 And you could see it moving as well during that time when it was zoomed in. Yeah. Wow. Is that Are those available well to see anywhere? Is that private research stuff? Now? They should be. They've been posted on our well, actually, I tell you on YouTube. If you go to White Campbell on YouTube, you can find the video on there. The name of it is a deer flush and a bigfoot or something like that. Okay, deer flush on it and bigfoot on it. I don't remember the very exact compet but that's close to what it is, gotcha.

33:32 I will have to check that out later. I did find the video I'll make sure it's it's linked in the in the show notes for this. So people can check it out. And also in this area, I went in one morning bowl hunting, and I got up to where I said that, and I actually sat close to where our recorder audio recorder is, and I just it was that time of the morning where I could just start walking without a flashlight. It was daylight enough to where I could see about thirty forty yards ahead of me, you know good. And I'm standing there, and I take my crossbow off my shoulder and lean it against the train and get ready.

34:16 And when I hunt on the ground, I don't hunt out of the tree stand, I said. I sat on the ground, and. So I took that the crossbow off and set it down and was getting ready to take my backpack off. And there was a door run down the hill, and I knew something wasn't right because her eyes was real big, in her mouth wide open, like she's being chased. And when she seen me, she stopped and looked at me for just a few seconds and then turn around and run back up the hill. She runs probably sixty seventy yards up the hill and stops and is looking up the hill and turned around and runs back down to me.

35:00 Does that about six or seven times, just running from up from me, back up, and then she finally stopped about halfway, which was out of boat range. So I'm just sitting there watching her, and she's looking at me and looking up the hill like she don't know what to do, and I'm thinking. Well, what's from this crazy thing? Is the first thing that I thought, And I just kept watching her, and she finally eased out a side off over the side of the ridge that I was on, and in about an hour after that, maybe an iron two of them come through the tops of the clear cut and they started hollering at me, and, honest to goodness, I know it sounds funny, but it sounded like they was cussing me out, and you could tell that there was two of them doing that, And I honestly think what I had done was I was I was walked into where the deer was supposed to run to, and the other one was supposed to be watching for it, but when I come in, it had to go hide, and that sort of missed their deer driver.

36:18 The ones that were yelling at you, were you able to actually visually see them at that time, or just you could tell they were there because the yells were in the area. I could just tell they was there. They was probably probably two hundred yards from me, going around back around the top of the mountain towards Newsom's side of the ridge. Have you had multiple visual settings in that area or was it the main one? Now that that's only one that I've had in that area and we still have audio cords and tarl cam's going in that area. Have you.

37:10 This is kind of. Maybe out of the ordinary questions here, that's okay, Yeah, yeah? And have there has there ever been any Have you ever heard anything in your mind or has going into the areas affected your dreams afterwards? No? Not, I've I've never. I've heard people talk. About mine, mine speak or whatever you want, but I've never I've never witnessed that. I keep telling people, and I'm not making fun of people that do, but I just tell them I must be on the wrong signal or something, because I've heard anything like that. You know, that area for over well it's about almost a year to the day, but that area I could not go into.

38:03 I would get up there and it was just a thing of dread, just like do not go in here. I've had that happened a couple of times, and one time it kept me from walking into a down tire line one morning hunt. If I had listen to it, I would have walked directly into a live pire line that had the top of the pole had broke off and it had come down, But it happened went low enough to touch the ground. And I'm lettle Old six feet tall, so I would have walked straight into it if I happened to heed it that morning. So Ever since then, I listened to it, and for a year I could not go into that area, and it left just as soon as it started. I do not know if if maybe there was one there that had maybe been hurt that was a threat, or one that's maybe been run off and was aggressive or what. I don't know, but I do know for and that's the only place that I've ever felt that way about. But it was at least a solid year before I could go in there.

39:22 So just to clarify, during that time, you were just having a really bad feeling not to go into that area where you're actually hearing something that said don't go in here. It was actually just that gut feeling like I don't and it would almost bring fear apponent, not that you know, just whatever you do, do not go into this area. There's other places around it that hunted, maybe a high three quarters miles away. Had no problem going to those places, but it was this just this one particular area.

40:05 Has there ever been a time where you're out there doing you know, bigfoot related research and just things have gotten very intense in a way that you're like, you know, we should really get out of here right now. I've had some intense times we have actually been bluff charged. This is in another area in the county that I live in. I have had encounters in five different places throughout the county, so I know there's no way that that one group of them can be running.

40:46 From one spot to the other spot to the other spot. So there has to be at least five groups of them here in the county. And I was taken d White and a lady named Robert Munshadow down from Canada to go with us, and we were I took them to a place called Scaly Mountain that's on the North Carolina Georgia border, and back there we went in the winter. We went in February, but back before that, in like October November, we were fixing a place for my dad to deer hunt. And when we come back round through the pine ticket, you could see where one had reached up and grabbed a hold of a tree and pulled the bark off of it. You can see where the thumb wrapped around the tree, and where the other four fingers, you know, you could see all of that clear. And I was taking the white and robbing up there to show them. And when you pull up, you go behind the fire service gate and go out a little road maybe one hundred and fifty yards, and then you go out an old logging road till you left where we've seen some structures on the right hand side. So we dropped off that side and all of those pictures and all of that stuff, and we come back going to go around the road to where the pine tree was that had been clawed on, and we hear something up on top of the ridge just start teaching a fit.

42:19 Even the stuff up it knows them. I'd never heard anything like this, and it come and just kept out of side enough to wear it to where that we couldn't see it, but we definitely heard it, and it got between us and our vehicles. And that is the only time that I've ever put my hand on my pistol. I always carry one because you never know with rabbit, coons and foxes and wild hogs and that kind of stuff, so always carry it for back up. I don't think I'd ever had to use it on a big foot, but it's most of the other animals. But anyway, it got in between us and our vehicle, and it was done a sound that if you look it up, because once I heard it, I actually went and looked up a silver back gorilla bluff charge and it's just like that, except it is so loud, and I mean you feel it.

43:18 It was loud, and we just stood there. We have learnt don't run, because it's like a cat in a mouse if you play dead or we act like we just don't hear them, and we let them do their stuff and go wong. You know, if the mouse places dead, the cat lives his interest, and so we just let it, let her do her sing, and then she moved on and we went ahead, and I went out and showed them the tree and we dropped off down of course she went through and we found some small tracks in there that might have been five inches long six the most, so more than likely she had. And we also found the maus down there, so more than likely she had a small one down in the Mayis orse. She could watch it from the top of that reage, and when we started in betlaying her and the little one, she come off and got it and moved on.

44:22 I mean, that could have been an extremely dangerous situation. I mean, just think of what happens with a normal animal in the wild, and then if you're too if you buy mistake, mess with the younger animal. I mean, the female mother animals can get very very intense, and they could you know, I mean, in this situation, you'd easily be taken out. But there's a bluff charge. So if I continue down the road that I'm going, there's a high likelihood that I'll probably get into one of those situations myself one day with a bluff charge. That must be a really intense situation. Where internally are you Is there a struggle where you're like just run your bodies, like saying just ron but you have to mentally say don't go anywhere. Is there back and forth going on in that situation.

45:13 Or really no, And I don't know if it's because I've been in the woods so much. Just like a black bear, you don't want to run from them. You stand your ground and try to look bigger. And for some reason, it never entered my mind to run. And I was confident that if we just stood still, that she would, you know, because if they really wanted to hurt us, like I said before, there's been probably hundreds, if not thousands of times they could have done something to us. Big for society will be right back after these messages.

46:12 And we didn't ever seen it coming. And so I was pretty confident if we just stood still and let her do whatever it was that she wanted to do and let it move on, then we would probably be. Okay, gotcha? Do you ever leave? Are there gifting situations that are going on this area? Is that something that you stay away from? I actually stay away from it, especially gifting food. I have ball and not in the the my main research area. Right now, stand an Indian. I have taken a ball that when it bounced, it lights up, and I've left that I have. If you look in the grocery store or Walmart. You'll see the tubs of chewing gum of like juicy fruit, that kind of stuff, and I have actually left one of those.

47:12 I took all the papers off of it because I don't want to live, but I left. Just one piece of gum in it and it got to missing. The last time that we was in our research area there, I left a it looked like a plastic yellow crane, and we honestly think we found what we called a play area up there. So I left that on top of one of the trees that they had carried in and leaned over. We're going back this Saturday to check it, so hopefully we can see if they have got it or not. But I do not ever put food out because just like bears, I don't want them to associate people with food. All my places that I do this is on public land, and I don't want me to have been carrying the food in there and them get to expecting when they see people to expect food, and then somebody goes in without in and they get aggressive.

48:18 And I don't think somebody would get hurt, but I think that it might scare them enough to where they wanted to hurt the bigfoots, you know, maybe take a shot at them or something like that, So I stay away from the food. I mean, it may work. I've got a good friend of mine that has done it, and he would take in, go in and leave moon piths and that kind of stuff and ring the bell and they would come in after he runs that bell and get his moon piths and stuff. But I just don't want to do that on public land. Well, it sounds like what your friend is doing as he's setting up Pavlovian response, which is, you know, the famous experiment with the I believe it's a dog in the bell in the food, And I mean, yeah, yeah, there's probably a different way, a few different ways to look at that, but that's pretty incredible that he set it up that. I mean, he just has to rampel and literally the bigfoot come running.

49:24 Well, and he's actually got videos and stuff that he's been offered ten thousand dollars to put out, and he won't do it because he don't want Number one, he don't want them bothered. You know. One of the men, he's a he's a and he's like, if we start putting stuff like this out, then everybody and their cousin's going to run into the woods of thinking that they can put moon pis in the dinner bell and and if people get hurt, that's one thing, but hey, don't want them to get hurt either. I'm guessing this is a gentleman who's kind of staying under the wire. Probably not a big presence online stuff like that.

50:11 Yeah, well, I can give you his name. His name is Doug Tigue. He was actually on the show if I ain't mistaken the evidences out there, and it actually shows one up on the hill. Of course, the ones that was supposed to be experts on the show. Oh, that's probably somebody in a in a suit or something like this. And if it is, then they're bigger than Humming Herman monsters all I can say. Right, yeah, exactly, that's that's a classic show right there. Ever since that he put that out, and you know, you can tell if you spend any times in the woods and I've seen them, you could tell definitely that it was one watching him. His dog got quite and they was like, well, if it was a true big put that dog would go crazy. Actually, dogs will tuck their tail under them and run. I mean, the biggest baddest dogs that there are the Belgian balla water. I've got a buddy that is a police officer, and he drove down the road one evening and got out to let the dog use the bathroom, and he done a whistle and one whistled back. And when that thing whistled, he said, his dog like to have clawed the side of the car trying to get back into his police car. Wow.

51:37 So Doug, he just after that, he just sort of keeps to hisself and and he'll give, you know, keeps us up to date and that kind of stuff. But he just sort of quit putting anything out because he didn't want to have to put up with all the ridicule. Absolutely, I've been looking at a map of the different areas that you've mentioned. It looks like it's kind of down where North Carolina and Georgia and South Carolina meet that kind of area. Yeah, and it's definitely there's some big national forest down there. It's south of the Smoky Mountains National Park. But yeah, it's just man, it's just forest and forest and forest down there.

52:23 I can own my research area and stand an Indian, I can I can take you up there, and that you see how vast it is. There's probably places there that nobody's ever been. Wow. I mean, that's how big the just the woods are here. Another place that you can look on your map is around Rainbow Springs, which is near non Hala Lake. That was where I saw my very first one there. That is also an area that I just want to say, that's also an area of where I've been yelled at and where I saw my very first one.

53:10 Would you be able to share about the what happened the first time that you were able to see one? Oh, yes, sir. I was in there boat hunting, and I was just minding my own business, not really thinking anything about it. I knew that what was going on over at Newss and that kind of stuff, but I didn't think nothing about it up there. And I was just walking up the redge. I was going to get on the very tip top of the ridge and set close to a clear cut and deer hunt. And I was walking up there and all of a sudden, about maybe ten yards in front of me, it come out from behind a behind a tree, and it run probably i'd say maybe ten another ten yards on two feet and then it dropped down to all fours and it got out of there quick. I mean it covered one hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy yards in no time.

54:17 I mean by the time I looked at it and I thought, well, I seen what it was. And then it dropped down and I had never seen them run that fast. I didn't know. So I looked back, you said, if as another one or anything, And when I turned round, it was it was already gone. When it was running on all fours? Was it was it? Have you seen any other creature that runs like that on all fours? Was it similar to anything else? To be honest with you, it looked like a hyaena. And the reason I say that is the front end its horns was smush longer than its back legs. That it was had the position of like a hyena. But it run the best I could tell, and the best I remember, it would put its too from hands down and then bring its back feed up, just like a just like a dog or a deer or anything you know like that runs. It put its front legs out and then push off and with its back legs. And like I said, it covered some distance real quick.

55:36 That must have been a sight to see you for sure? Did you go ahead? I'm sorry, I was just going to say it was, especially when you know you're you're just now grasping what's going on. In another part of the county. Not even ready thinking that anything is going on anywhere else in the county. I thought it was that they was in one part of my budge's property. But then as I've done more found more areas. I found out that there's quite a few of them. But that first one after my Budge's property was like that is you know, it just flows you for a minute, because then it gets you wondering, well, I wonder how many of these creatures they actually are in this county?

56:28 And is this in Macon County? Yes, sir, it is. So did you. Get a pretty good look at the head of the creature when you had that visual? Just it happens the fast it come out, and it had the side of its head. You know, it wasn't looking at me when it come out. It was looking straight ahead, and it happened the fast. Honestly, it took me by surprise. I didn't get that good of a look. In my mind, it was registering not what in the world am I looking at. Understood? So probably not?

57:10 I mean details like shape of the head or if there was a neck to it at all. I can tell you there wasn't no neck, because I seen that once it dropped down and was running. It looked like its head just stayed on its shoulders. When it was running. Were you able to see the bottoms of the feet at all? Because I was trying to look at its body, the shape, and. Anything interesting about the color of it, or the hair length or anything that you'd noticed. It was I would say a sharp coal gray may be black. It was.

57:54 It was dark colored. Were you able to notice anything underneath the hair it all? No, sir, Like I said, the whole thing probably didn't last maybe ten fifteen seconds and it was gone. Yep. Absolutely. Now the one that I well, since we're talking about Rainbow springs, me and my dad was in there, not this past Turkey season, but the year before in twenty twenty three, And it was real cold that morning, and I had put an extra cod on under my clothes and was in our turkey hunting and didn't hear nothing.

58:40 So I decided to hit my woodpecker call. A lot of times we'll get a response from turkeys out of that. So I hid it, and. Maybe one hundred. Yards below me, a cology started, and I thought, well, just come on up here and I'll get rid of you. And as soon as that cold you hushed a big footthuler from the same area, and I was trying to grab my phone out of my. Pocket to get it recorded and it quit. It probably lasted maybe five ten seconds and just over paper real life while I got on. I've got on my turkey vest, plus a light jacket, plus a long sleeve shirt and a T shirt and I'm trying to get through all of that. And once it quit, I thought, well, don'g gone, and it done it again, so again I tried to get my phone out and still cutting, and when it stopped that time, I thought, well, that's probably definitely the end of it. But it wound up hollering four different times. And my dad was a good three quarters of a mile a mile away from me. And when we got back to the truck, I got there for he didn't he come out and walking down the road ton't He said, did you hear that holler this morning?

1:00:06 And I said yeah, I said it was riding under me. He said, is that what I think it was? And I told him, I said, yeah, it was definitely one of them, and he said, man alive. He said it just echoed up where he was at. But that's the That's the two encounters I've had in that area. Absolutely just just fascinating stuff from this this one county seems like it's got a lot going on. When I talked to Harley. I've talked to Harley a few times, and I've talked to other individuals from his area, and something that I noticed is that there is definitely seems to be some sort of government influence, and there are unmarked cars seeing and just other related things. Big for society will be right back after these messages. Have you ever picked up on any out of the ordinary, you know, cars around when you're going out to look for a Bigfoot, or any weird government interference with any of your bigfoot research down there?

1:01:27 I had my computer to crash. I had went to a meet up in Alabama and met a guy named Bo and that's just his nickname. And he asked me, he said, have they been to see you? Get? And I said who? He said, the men? And I said no, I ain't saying nobody. He said was as much as you under putting out, they will. And I just never I thought, now they ain't you know what. I ain't that big book person for them to be looking for anything I'm doing. But I started a TikTok account and finally got enough follow wors to where I could do a live show. And I told I told him on there, I give them the date that I was going to do it and everything, and so my come, my son come over and was going to help me with it. He's going to read their questions and that stuff. And he gets over here and I'd used my laptop the day before and everything was working fine. So we start.

1:02:36 Trying to pull it up, and my laptop does nothing but set. There and spend the little icon on it is just setting our spending. And finally it gets time for us to do the live show, so we have to do it off. Off our cell phone. And I took my computer to the computer place here in town and he told me, he said, your hard drive's been tribes and I'm like what he said, yees, I said, You've lost everything on it. And that was everything that I had collected from two thousand. And they ate all the way up. I'm thinking that was in uh two thousand into two twenty twenty three, two twenty two, twenty twenty three, somewhere around in there. And he said, everything on this's come and said there's nothing that we can save off of it.

1:03:32 And I told him, I said, well that's okay because I backed everything up on the thumb drive. And so he went ahead put a new everything in my computer because there wasn't nothing working. New hardboard, hard drive, a mother board. All that stuff. And I get a home and I thought, well, I'll download my pictures off my thumb drive. I get it up, plug it into my pictures, and right there's all the folders named when I when I keep my evidence, I keep it logged by the year and the location that it comes from. That way, when I want to go back and look, I can find it easier. And I started to open them up, and everything on it was gone, and that thumb drive had not been bothered since I loaded everything down on it and stuck it in the drawer underneath my computer. And how it got is apter or whatever you want to call it out.

1:04:32 I don't ever know when I'm not saying that the government done or nothing like that, but it's just seemed awful funny that the day that I'm supposed to go live on TikTok and answer questions that kind of stuff, that my computer gets fried and done. All my years of research on that thumb drive also gets gone. They was in my Bigfoot folder. Not only did I keep my Bigfoot stuff, but also off the trail cameras deer and hogs and all that kind of stuff. So I had probably ain't no telling them how many thousands of pictures on that. And when I opened up the big Foot fall, all the other ones had nothing in them.

1:05:16 The big Foot fill had one picture in it and that was all. And like I say, I can't I can't honestly say what done it? But something happened to it because it was working fine the night before and then that day, five minutes before it's supposed to go live it it won't do nothing. That is that is a tragedy and really really makes you wonder about stuff like that. What is your what's your TikTok user name? My TikTok is Tim Dill's thirteen okay cool?

1:05:59 Something that listeners always they kind of have been pushing me to ask questions related to this, so I might start to do it, and we'll come at it like this. In the areas that you research, have you ever found evidence of other creatures besides bigfoot in those areas. That are not your normal animals? No, I've honestly not. The only thing that I have seen that it's hard to explain. I have seen a bottle of lot moving through the woods. If you look on your mouth, there's a place called poetry.

1:06:50 It's also while your robe. That is also one of my maind hunting and research areas. In that area, I have and grawl that had blocks throad. I'll just give you a quick story on that area. I was going in and I noticed all this stuff broke across my trail. But I was going in to change my cameras and stuff out, and I reach up and break a limb off that's about seven haigh feet high. I reach up and take my phone out and document it, of course, and break it off and throw it on the ground out of the trail. I get up into where my trail goes through a laurel thicket that I've cut a trail through. There's a stick stuck in sideways that would have hit me across the chest, and went, I'd get my phone back out, document that and show that there's no way that that stick could have failed there.

1:07:50 I take it out, thought down, go on through. I come out. It takes me by the iron. I have to walk into this area. When I come out the other side, I'm sitting there rest in a minute, and a rock comes over my head and lands out in front of me in a clear cut, and. So I'll get my phone back out and I'm well, they. Just throw the rock. It landed here, and it seemed like it come from behind me. And I turned my camera around backwards and done that, and went on in and done, changed my stuff out and come back down. And where I broke that first limb off, there's two fresh limbs laid across the trail that wasn't there. Went I went in. I mean they're green. You could tell they had been broken and laid down while I was gone.

1:08:37 So I get my phone out document them throw them by the way. I'm going through another less fiction of laurels, and it's not like the one that had the stick in it. It's small, maybe twenty feet through it. I start into it and I hear one growl at me, and I don't have the best hearing in the world, so I knew that it was pretty close. And I thought, well, you crazy things. I ain't got tons of fool I've got stuff I got to do. And when I come out the other side, it ground at me again, and I thought, well, I ain't got to fools. I just actually like I didn't hear it. And I get ready to step across this small frequent branch that was there, and I look and they had stuck a stick up between two trees that would have hit me across the bridge of the nose, and I'd get my phone out and document it, and I no, definitely it wasn't there, because I'd had to have moved it to a walk up through there.

1:09:41 So I get off of that. Old logging road back down into the main logging road, and there's a lot of a locust tree that I have to go wonder, and they had broken the maypole over about the bigger round as a softball. They had broke it over top of the the. Locust while I was up in there. And so I'll come out and the document that and everything, but that is the area where I saw the light men knew some. He dropped me off and went on around the road hunting, and I went up in and were a hunted up there, and I come back out and I'm standing there, and me and him had just a few days before that bought some real bright flash lights from Walmart. They're super bright. And so I'm standing there and I looked down. That's getting dark dark, and I looked down the hill and I seen this orange bowl about the size of a grapefruit. But it's real dull orange, almost like an old lantern, to the glow off an old lantern. And it's moving intelligently, I can tell you know. It's not just zipping here round the belts, honestly looking like it's looking for something. And I thought, well, what's he doing with that old flight shlight. We've got our new ones and I always got it with him.

1:11:07 And I stand there and watch it and watch it, and I thought, wal go down there and see what he's looking for. So I turned my light on and shine down that way. And when I turned mine, it goes out, and I thought, well, he'd been waiting on me, so I'll get down there and he's not there, and I'm thinking, well, he's going to try to jump out from behind a tree or something scare me. And so I was for him and I told him, I said, I know you down here. I've seen the light on, so let's go. And I said, waited, and he never get you up, and I thought, oh well, And I got back down into the road where he let me out at and here he comes down the road to me, and we loaded all the stuff up and everything, and we start down road and I told him, I said, I just seen the weirdest thing. I said, I thought it was you, but there was an orange light moving around and it was done it intelligently, not just zipping around and everything like that. And he said seriously and I said yeah. He said he was setting in my truck talking to his wife on the phone when he looked up in the road. Something called his attention in the rearview mirror, and he looked up and there was an orange wault of light come from below the road. It stocked in the center of the road and then it went up in to where I was at.

1:12:37 That's the only thing that I've seen or had up in there that you know that I couldn't explain the bootfoot stuff is you know, that's easy to identify, But that was the only thing that to this day I still won't know what it was. There's definitely some weird things like stories like that that come out of North Carolina. For sure. I found that every state seems to have it's really popular bigfoot stories that are or accounts that are passed around people that are interested in the community. And for example, like you have Oklahoma has a siege from early two thousand, or you've got the whole account of you know, the Patterson Gimmon film filming from nineteen sixty seven. For California.

1:13:25 Have you found that there's an account that seems to always get passed around for North Carolina to people that are interested in the state. Yeah, there's east of work from where I live is it's a a few hours driving east a place called South Mountain. They have the one there, they call it Nolby. That's the one that I think is most if you want to use the word famous, I think that's the one that is most known in as North Carolina would be Nolby. Are there just a lot of sightings of that bigfoot around that area, or is it overly aggressive or that's what I haven't heard of personally.

1:14:12 It as far as I know, it's not aggressive. It's just that there's things. There have been quite a few satins going back, you know, quite a few years, and instead going on today. I will have to I'll have to look into that see if I can. Maybe if someone's from the area and they've experienced any knobby sightings or you know of the history, you feel free to reach out in the comments, or you can email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. But Tim, it has been an absolute pleasure talking to you. You are involved with way more than I would have guessed in this area, and it sounds like you have quite a crew of researchers down there are looking into this.

1:15:01 Yes, sir, I've got If you've got time, I can tell you of my most recent sighting. I would love that. Yeah, I definitely have the time. Big for Society will be right back after these messages. It. I actually got a pretty good look at back up on Standing Indian. I was going in and changing my audio recording my trail cams out and was walking back out and I thought, well, I'm just gonna. It was deer and deer season, so it had to be into November, first of December. Well, actually I know when it was. It was the first day of December in twenty twenty three, and I was walking back out and I thought, well, I'm just gonna sit right here and hunt till dark. And I sat down, and I always carried the Bible on my phone. I'll sit there and reading my Bible. And I've been reading the bottle ire, just waiting on it to get you know, lady in the evening for deers start moving. And when I got through reading, I thought something watching me, and I turned around and looked up on the little old ridge above me,

1:16:32 maybe one hundred yards if that no more than one hundred and twenty, and I see one standing there looking at me. It's pushing seven high, fake feet tall, a dark color. I can see everything, but it's right shoulders out from behind the tree. I couldn't see its face real good, but I could see no neck bed brought shoulders, the dollar of it, the conical head not you know, it wasn't like a pyramid or nothing like that, but you could tell that it was more than the human's head and I'm trying to get my phone back. I had just switched an iPhone, and I'm trying to find out how to zen men and all of this stuff.

1:17:19 And I know that it's not going to last. You know that it's not going to stand there forever. So I throw my phone down and I pick up my rifle and I turn around to look where it's at, because that's you know, when you're hunting and you learn to shoot, you keep your eyes on the target and you bring your gun up to it. So I was watching it, and when it seemed to pick my gun up, it stepped back behind the tree, and all I could see was it's left shoulder. And I looked and looked and cut and see nothing but it's shoulder. And I thought, well, I don't want it to think I'm gonna heard it, So I put my gun back down and it and move.

1:18:01 I watched for probably three or four minutes. It would just stand there with its shoulder out, and. I thought, well, I'll turn them around. I scooted to where I could look out the. Corner of my eye and watch it. And once it thought I'd turned my head, it come out from behind it, but it dropped down to all fours and crawled on its belly like an army crawl. It crawled from one clump of trees to another clump and checked to make sure I wasn't watching it, and then it crawled from there back across the little old ridge that it was over. And later I see that was in December twenty three, No, not December twenty three, December twenty one. And then me and my wife went in there and cast today. After that, I asked a track in there that is sixteen inches long and sixteen inches long and eight inches wide.

1:19:11 Man, I can't imagine experience something like that. You must have been hardly breathing the whole time. Actually, it's I was. I'm like just excited, like, okay, I find it. But a good a good look. On one, you know what I mean. Yeah, And that's the reason I want. I wanted to see their face up close. That's the reason I was trying to get my phone out. And then when I couldn't do that. Whenever I couldn't do that, that's the reason I picked my rifle up. I wanted to get real good face details. But as soon as it see me pick up my rifle, it it stepped back behind there. But I've had and I'm not bragging in I hope it don't sound way, and I'm not trying to big and much of nothing like that, but I interactions with them from Nusance property on up through I don't I'm not afraid. I'm just excited that I'm actually getting, you know, getting to see another one.

1:20:21 With all those years of research, do you have a goal of what you would like to try to accomplish before, you know, in the years of research that you have left. I guess I would say, yeah, I would actually like to get a good video of one. Not not to get famous or nothing like that. I could care less about that, but I want it. We've got some pretty good pictures between men, the guys that I go with, We've got some good thermal videos, real good thermal videos. But I would like to get one just so I could plash it down to my grandkids.

1:21:02 You know, I'm getting ready to turn fifty seven Monday, so I know I ain't got a lot of years left, especially as bad as the Mountain's orange stuffer in here, but I would like to get something that I could believe that my grandkids could you know something. Besides, the peachers have something that they could watch. And say, Even if I get to take them, that would be awesome. But if not, they can look back and say, well here when people say they don't exist, well here's what my granddad found. You know, he's had all of these. I would love to get something like that more for myself. If people wanted to accept that, fine, If not, fine, I've been through that. I don't mean to be a jerk or nothing. But people say, or you're a believer, and I say, no, I'm gonna know.

1:22:00 I'm older here, and no matter how much ridicule or whatever people put on that, you know, I could there less. I'm a grand man. I get over it. But I would love to have something that I could pass down to my grandkids and maybe great green kids, and you know, just to let them know. Because the way the world's going, who knows what's going to be around in another thirty forty years, they may not even be no wilderness left to even set step in. Absolutely no, I agree. It's it's a kind of a sad, sad future. And unless we fix it, what kind of video set up do you have in order to try to capture that you're using just your iPhone or other things we use.

1:22:47 We've got, of course, tons of trail cameras in the woods. We use gold pros. Our thermals are a GM Taipan I think has done the one thermal that I got. It's a short range thermal. My long range thermal is eighty N binoculars. They will detect the heat's heigne teer out to a mile eighteen hundred yards. So that's what I've used for my long range up here. Like when the leaves get off the trees, I can set and on one ridge and watch, you know, for a long ways.

1:23:28 And those also record. They both record video. And like I say, we've got the gold pros, we've got. A little hand held they oh us caam couarters. They used to be cam corders. I don't know whatter call them now, but the little hand held cam cords we have. Those also use a and to think of what it is, the gold Pros. And then I've got one that will actually mount to my gun, but I can also so mounted to anything else also that I use. And the audio recorders that we use there are Sonny personal recorders, but we found a way they usually run off of two double A batteries, but we have found a way to make them run off of two D batteries and they will, like I said, they will record twenty four hours a day for two weeks. And now Bobb and to What are a whole lot more technical than I am.

1:24:31 I still have trouble win my cell phone sometimes, but I am learning slowly but surely. But we also have the way my truck is fixed up. When we ride the back roads at night, I have on my road bar. I have it fixed to where I can put a mojor on it and attach my thermal to it so it can go three hundred and sixty degrees up down, whatever it needs to do. When we run that to laptops inside the inside my truck, I'll have mine up there. Bob Trent will have his with such and cuts mounted to.

1:25:12 The hood, and Dwight will have his either mounted or he likes to just hold his a lot and sometimes he'll ride in the back of the truck. And that's just some of the ways we do our do our recordings and stuff on the back roads. When we're in the woods. Dwight looks like a walking camera man. I mean, he's always taking pictures and videos and we'll get done and he'll start posting them and I'll chat send him my text say when did you take that? I didn't eve to see you. So he doesn't leave the cameraman of the bunch.

1:25:52 It's always fascinating to hear about a new part of a state where there's intense research going on. I'd say we can definitely say that about Meecon County with with you gentlemen, that you guys are definitely doing some great work down there and it's it's been a pleasure chatting with you today. Tim. Do you have any as we kind of start to roll things down, do you have any you know, final thoughts about bigfoot or anything regarding that. One thing is, and I forgot to mention this, but right now we have higher simples being tested at North Carolina State University. Okay, we have had some that Robin Lundchad I took with her back to Canada and had them and they ain't going to say there is such a thing as a bigfoot, but if they was, it meets all the crafter aia. So we have got that going on. Also. One thing is, it's one thing to look them up on. You know, do your research online and that helps a lot. But getting in the woods, you know, is the biggest thing. Be sure you're prepared because a lot of people that see them, they don't ever want to go to the woods again. And then there's idiot us that can't wait to get back in there and see if we can see another one. But the main thing is stay safe that you know. It's

1:27:28 there's a lot of things out there that besides bigfoot, and like you said, we won't get into all of that, but there's other things out there besides Bigfoot that can that can cause trouble. I've actually been snake bit head, So just be careful and enjoy you. Absolutely. Tim. I've got one more question for you that I just thought of, and then I will let you go when you send. Just because you have found multiple research areas, what are what are criteria you keep in mind when you're trying to find a new research area. One thing that seems I don't know if it's coincidence or whatever you want to call it, but one thing is a food source. I have found a lot of my research areas by finding places I wanted to hunt putting trail cameras out finding deer in the areas, or we have quite a few wild hogs that kind of stuff.

1:28:29 But that is they have to have food and they have to have water, and that is the two of the biggest things to look for when a lot of times when I when I find that, I'll start deer hunting. And then as I learn more about the area, I'll start finding trees that are broke, you know, the access made, structures made where they've woven things together and that kind of stuff. But theiggest thing is they have to have food and they have to have water. Shelter they can make anywhere, especially around here. There's a lot of a lot of caves, a lot of rock cliffs and stuff for them to get in here in Making County. I think they stay here year round. They don't migrate through when.

1:29:20 The reason I say that because we'll have encounters year round, have them on our audio recorders year round. But I think the biggest thing that you want to look for is a food source, because something that big has to have a lot of food. Good good advice to keep in mind when looking for a new place. But Tim, thank you so much for coming on Are there ways that people can keep up to date with what you're doing or you kind of under the you know, under the wire, like you're kind of just keeped off to the side, or that there are ways even people can reach out to you.

1:30:01 Oh yes, sir. Anybody that wants to get a hold of me, they can get a hold of me here on Facebook. You can get a hold. Of me on TikTok. I do have YouTube channel. It's the same as my TikTok. But if you want to get a hold of me and got questions or anything like that, since there's been so much stuff going on on Facebook with fake things. Just mentioned that, how mentioned Bigfoot and I'll know that you've heard it from the podcast and that kind of stuff. And I'll be more than glad to accept friend requests and chat with you anytime you know that you got a question or just want to chat or whatever. Just feel free. I mean, I'm not one of them that tries to stay hid. It ain't that I'm trying to make the name or nothing like that. I care less about that, But I don't see no use in hiding neither, especially if you can help other people, you know, That's what it should be all about helping other people and get naxers.

1:31:09 Absolutely well, Tim, thank you so much for chatting today, and we'll have to keep in touch in the future to see what you guys get into next. But thank you. Oh you're more than welcome, and thank you. Thank you all the listeners. And as soon as we get some information back on balk to Her samples turn up at North Carolina State, I'll definitely get up with you and give you the report on that. Absolutely I'll be looking forward to that. Thank you, Tim, Thank you, sir, and have a great eating. Stay tuned for a special ten minute clip from this week's special members only episode in counter Pelooza four. We've talked before write in messages. Yeah, oh man, it's a pleasure to talk to you. We had some really interesting conversations about probably a year or so ago.

1:32:08 Oh I want to say, it's been a long time. Yeah. Yeah, I've been watching your podcast off and on throughout the year, and I'm being in to talk to you for a while too. Hopefully maybe one time, Wen go bigfoot looking in Washington, Oregon sometime maybe. Yeah, I'll show you some spots. I only lived up there for twenty nine years. But there was a time I went walking in she Hal's National Forest in Washington and I had at that time, I had a rot wiler for a pet, and this guy he would go with me on the trails. And as a matter of fact, I think this was only the second time I had been in the Sheehalis National Forest and partners of mine Native guys Shala's Indians, they had all said, when you go walking on those trails, be careful. I said, when you go there when the sun comes up and when the sun goes down. And I said really, I said, what forore?

1:33:29 And they were looking at me. These are like two brothers and a friend of mine Hala's natives that grew up there cutting wood and fishing in there and hunting in there, and they said, because it's when the tall people come out. And I went really, And this is before I think this was probably my third running with a bigfoot at this time, and it was probably a year from the last time I had to run in with them where I seen one. But I didn't know that they were in that forest until they said that.

1:34:14 And they were like, yeah, when you're when you're moving around on those trails or moving through the forest, especially those trails. They said, try not to move around in there when the sun's coming up or going down. I said, because that's when they move around a lot. And I said, oh, okay, Well, anyways, one morning I took my dog and I was like, okay, let's go walk the trail, and just we're walking through the forest through these trails. They got trails all through that forest, and I guess I don't want to really says fog. It was more missed, but it was kind of like foggy like. But so the myst come in and visibility starts dropping down. And if you've ever been in that forest, it's thick. The undergrowth is thick, and bushes everywhere, like five six foot high bushes everywhere, tall trees everywhere, and so it starts kind of getting dark real quick. When that myst came in, and I guess it was probably around seven or eight in the morning, so it wasn't too early. And that was my thought too.

1:35:34 I was like, well, the sun has been up for a little while. It's not like it's just coming up. It's been up for a little while, so we should be good. Because of course I didn't want to run into them, and it was just me and my dog there. So we're going down the trail. Ruck said, miss comes in visibility, starts dropping. Everything's getting wet, and in case you don't know, when it starts raining, your scinn you know, deteriorates in the air. Animals can't smell you as far as they would when it's not raining. So that's why I think this happened, that they couldn't smell us as far as they would have, Otherwise they would have probably took off. But we're going down this trail, coming up over a hill and my dog stops, and I already know when he stops, he's smelling something. And I'm looking around and I'm thinking bear, that's what I'm saying, because they got black bears in there, or a cougar. And I'm like, there's something around here and he's smelling it.

1:36:53 I'm looking around, looking underneath. I'm trying to look underneath the bushes to see anything. And when I squatted down, I heard a snap snap, almost like a like a loud firecracker, like a loud M sixty firecracker going off. But what it was was it was a tree branch and only I can't think of it. It was the two males because they're the only ones that I know of that break tree branches. The females they don't break tree branches. They just run. This thing would snap in one side of the trail and then snap on the other side of the trail and right off the back.

1:37:45 I was like, this is a bigfoot. There's two big foots here, because again, cougars don't break branches. Bears don't break branches. And I'm like, oh man, they're right in front of us. And this guy, my dog, he starts he starts whining, like crying, and he's like he's crying beside me. And I said, yeah, let's get out of here. So I turn around. We start walking real quick. I don't run, but I start walking as fast as I can. And he's right beside me, and he keeps looking behind me, and I'm like, are they following us? Are they following us?

1:38:30 I'm not telling my dog because he keeps looking back. I don't want to look back. I'm moving. We're fast walking up this trail and down it. And then I start hearing branches, like I should say, twigs, twigs breaking behind us, smack snack smack, smack smack, and I'm like, oh man, these guys are following us. And sure enough, one was to the right, one was to the left of me. And they followed us for I guess, maybe two and a half miles down this trail back to the parking area where we parked our car. When we got about half a mile I guess from the parking lot where we parked our car, where it started thinning out, there was less trees, less bushes, I should say, they weren't as high. When we got to the crest of this hill. That's when they stopped. They stopped following us, and I turned around and all I could see was now from my experience at seeing pictures, reading books of different bigfoots of different areas, there's some bigfoots that have like a really cone head, and some I would say kind of like a human head. It's a little cone

1:40:04 but not as much. But some really have a cone head. These ones had cone heads because I could see the top of their head over the bushes. And these are seven foot tall bushes. So these things I think we're squatting down. They were, you know, trying not to be seen, but the top of their hairy heads were sticking above the bushes and they were brown, they were brown color, and I was like, oh, man, they're right there, and I knew they were watching us. I could feel it. I was like, dang, I told him, I said, I'm not here to harm you. I said, I'm leaving now, because up until that time, I really felt bad, like something bad was going to happen. And I was the whole time going back. I was just hoping that they weren't going to do anything. But yeah, I felt a real bad feeling. I guess you probably know what I'm talking about, Like you get a bad feeling like sometimes you go into a bad house or a bad area, you get a bad feeling like, man, something bad is about to happen. Well, anyways, so we got back to the car, took off. I end up coming back the next day because I was like, I'm going to leave a gift for him, just to let them know that

1:41:36 I didn't because I was walking that trail like maybe twice a month. So I was like, yeah, I'm going to be going back down that trail, and I don't want to know bad problems with these people because they lived there. I'm just visiting. So I went back down that trail where that first incident happened, and sure enough, there was like five six set of footprints. There was two really big ones, two medium ones, and one small one like they had a little kid. And the ones in Shahla's National Force. Those ones that I ran into, those ones were five to ones. They all had five toes.

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1:44:48 Her and I could get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will. Give them the courage to come out. And now I feel so bad about it. Cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you.