Aug. 21, 2024

We've got Bigfoot ALL over Macon County with Tim Dills!

I sit down with Tim Dills, a seasoned researcher from Macon County in Western North Carolina, who shares his exhilarating experiences with Bigfoot since 2008. Hear about Tim's initial prank that led to genuine encounters, the eerie sounds, and the...

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I sit down with Tim Dills, a seasoned researcher from Macon County in Western North Carolina, who shares his exhilarating experiences with Bigfoot since 2008. Hear about Tim's initial prank that led to genuine encounters, the eerie sounds, and the intense moment of seeing a Bigfoot tracking a deer. Dive into the high-tech methods used by Tim's team, including trail cams, GoPros, and thermal imaging, to capture compelling evidence. Discover Tim's hair samples currently under study at NC State University, and the mysterious glowing light sighting that adds an extra layer of intrigue. This episode promises heart-pounding tales and advanced research tactics that will leave you questioning what's hidden in the forests of Western North Carolina.

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the show.

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All right, Big for Society.

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I've got the privilege of talking to Tim. He's a

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bigfoot researcher from western North Carolina. And how's it going today, Tim?

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I'm done great. Sarah, how about you?

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Oh man, I'm having a great day. Just got back

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from Oregon, so kind of getting back into the swing

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of things. But I heard about you through our mutual

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friend missus or Harley Owens from down there in eastern Tennessee.

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Big or a big big four Nope, bigfoot reports and data,

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and yeah, it's just a pleasure to meet you. And

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it sounds like you've got some really interesting things you've

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been involved with since about two thousand and eight.

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Yes, since two thousand and eight, I have had four sidings,

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and I've had just tons and I mean tons of

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interactions with them throughout the years.

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Most of my areas, I keep stuff going.

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Anything I see they do undo so that I can

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keep the interactions going.

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So, yeah, take us back to the beginning, how this

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all started for you and how you first realized that, yeah,

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there's something going on out here.

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Okay. The way that started is actually kind of funny.

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They was a guy moved in up above me. His

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wife family has other land here in the county that

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I live in, and they've moved up from Florida. And

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I was actually outside skinning the deer. I'd been deer

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hunting and I'm skinning my deer out and this guy

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comes up and he says, hey, my name's no from Corbett.

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I just moved in the hill up here, and I'll

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get back with you. I see you liked hunting fish.

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I liked hunting fish too. I mean just talking the

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first I couldn't hardly keep up with him. And he said,

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I'll see you in about two weeks. And he went

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back to this truck and took off, and my wife

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walked up and said, who in the world was at

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And I said, well, I've got his name is now

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from Corda. He just moved in up here and he

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likes to hunt and fish and sees that I do too.

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So he's going to give me a cold and in

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a couple of weeks and you know, just see if

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we become friends or whatever, just hang out. So in

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about two weeks, just true to his word, he showed

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up and he said, let's go fishing. I said, okay,

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So we headed out and he was talking to me

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and talking about the property that they have up here.

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It's eighty six acres surrounded all by National Forest and

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it is actually locked behind far service gates. They are

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the only ones them and the for Service saw are

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the only ones that have access to the gate. So

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he said, it's going to be a good place for

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us to hunt. If you'll help me put out feeders

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and all that kind of stuff. He said, then them

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we'll start hunting up there. And I told him, I said, yeah,

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that'd be awesome. Just let me know when and what.

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So he told me, he said, the first thing we

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got to do is play a trick on my boys.

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And I said, okay, not written on what he meant.

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He said that they.

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Had snuck a set of falla deer horns out of

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the cabin into the front of his tilt me and

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whenever they've done that, they just stuck the horns around

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so you couldn't see nothing but the horns. And he

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seen that picture and he was like, that was actually

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back when trail Ken's had the thirty five millimeter cameras

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in them, and so he went and got it developed.

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The first thing he sees is that deer, and he said.

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He told his boy, I said, I've got to get

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in the woods. These things ain't coming around here. He said,

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I ain't a coming out of the woods till I do.

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And she said, did you look at any other pictures?

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He said, no, I ain't got time. And his BENI

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wingies and buyingies and all that crackers and stuff in

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the buggy. He's getting ready to go sit on the

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deer stand that evening, and she finally got him talked

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into going and looking at that other pictures and the

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very next one is his boy, both of his boys

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and their friends holding those deers. And he told me,

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he said, so we have got to pay them back.

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And I told him, I said, all right. For some reason,

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I remember this at the time, I hadn't thought about

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it in years, but I told him, back in the seventies,

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my dad had one of his friends was hunting and

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they come across some tracks in the snow that was barefooted.

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My dad friend is about probably six five sixty six,

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you wears a size thirteen shoe and it was bigger

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than his shoe. And in one of the locations in

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this county called stand In Indian and that's a big campground,

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the national forest and all of that. And they had

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seen that track back in the seventies. And I told

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Notion about it, and I told him, I said, I

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tell you what we'll do. I'll make you said of

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those tracks, and whenever I get those maids, we'll go

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well to some tracks up and we'll just have some

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fun with him. He said, yeah, that'll work. So we did.

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We went up there and put tracks down in the

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mud and broke a few limbs and stuff like that,

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and and honest to give us, I never would have

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thought of the big foot around here if they what

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truly was something. And I figured they'd be out west somewhere,

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and so we done real good and made up some

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stuff for them to find. And now his boys, that

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was in their mid twenties, so you know, it's not

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like little kids or nothing. But he said, I'll come

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up with them tomorrow and we'll go with them and

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see what they think. And I told him, I said,

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you'll have to go by yourself, because you go, I'll

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get tickled. I can't. I can't.

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I can't have myself that good.

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And so I stayed at the house and he went

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up and they walked right by the tracks to start with,

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and he told them, he said, now you ain't getting

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me again. I see this tracking is made and they

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said walk track, and he said this one right here,

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and when they seen it, they.

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Just freaked out, Oh lord, daddy, we've got big foots.

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On the property. We're gonna have to get over the trail.

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Can we can bind it and the woods and get

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pictures of them that'll be worth a lot of money.

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And they just took it hook line and sinker and

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so they had a band at the time and they

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had to play that night, and they was actually going

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to cancel their gig and get in the woods and loose,

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and told him said, no, you've got to honor your words.

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So they went on to their gig. And while they

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was at the gig, Nowsan was with them, of course,

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so I snuck up there and messed things up on

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the porch, turned chairs over and throw clothes on top

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of the house and all of this stuff. And whenever

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they got home, about two o'clock in the morning, they

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called her dad and told him, said that thing's been

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back up here while we was gone. So the joke

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went over real big, and the next day they figured

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out it was us. So everybody got a good life

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out of it, and men knew them started putting feeders

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out and that kind of stuff. And there was a

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hog root in his yard up so we got up

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in the top of the loft of his little cabin

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and waited on for it to come out. One evening

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and the spot where it said has got creek and

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laurel bushes real heavy around it, and there was three

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raccoons come out of the laurel bushes and out into

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the yard, and they fed around there in the yard

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for a few minutes and then turned around and run

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back in to the bushes. And when they did, one

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of them grabbed one of the raccoons. At the time,

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we didn't know what it was, but it grabbed one

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of the raccoons and started killing it. And I don't

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know if your listeners know what that sound is like,

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but it's.

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It's a terrible sound.

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And the coon quit squalling, and all of a sudden,

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you just heard a big who and everything went dead quiet.

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And I looked at him when I told him, I said, buddy, boy,

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I know every animal in these woods. I have seen

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black panthers. I have seen the red wolfs that we

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have that they turned back in the fifties, turned up

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in the fifties. I said, I have seen all of that,

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and this one I can't explain. Number One, it wasn't

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a dog, because there's no barking. Whatever jumped on that coon.

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You know, a big sized coon plus up a pretty

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good fight. So I knew it wasn't a dog, and

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I knew it wasn't somebody. And I knew it wasn't

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a bear because the roarer that it does. A bear

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don't make that kind of roar. They're just more they

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just actually just more hoff than anything. And we were

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sitting there talking requited about what it could be, and

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then it started whistling, and I told him, I said,

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Bud boy, I do not know what this is. I said,

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the sound that it made, I don't know. And for

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it to start whistling after that, I definitely don't know

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what it was. And it would whistle every few seconds,

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and about every ten to fifteen seconds, i'd say, And

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we decided we'd go outside and see what we could see.

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And when we turned the lights on in the top

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loft of the cabin, it wit whistling. And we went

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outside and never heard it no more, never thought that

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much about it. And from then on things started happening.

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The more that we was up there, the more things

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would happen. We would put up put up feeders, cut

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trails through the woods that we wanted to deer where

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we wanted to deer hunt. We wouldn't make us a trail,

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and we would come back and brush would be piled

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up on the trails going to our deer stand. Our

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feeders would be messed with the trail cameras would be

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messed with that kind of stuff. So we started paying

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a little bit more attention to what was actually going on,

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and you know, we started to realize that these limbs

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and stuff that are being carried in, they've been rung off.

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They've not been broke by byre nothing like that. They've

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not been chewed on or anything like that. They had

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actually been just like somebody had put their hands and

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wrapped them off the trees. And the more, like I

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was saying, the more we was up there, the more

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stuff that we had happened. We was putting one of

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the feeders up and I'm holding the ladder for him

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and the rockets behind me, and it's in the middle

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of winter, so we know there's no records falling, nothing

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like that, nothing else it could have been.

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And I asked him, I said, did you drop something?

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And he said no.

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I said, I think I heard something hit behind me,

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and he said, yeah, I did too, And.

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So we started just you know, just being a little

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more cautious and looking around. We never did see anything.

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We went back up to that same feeder a few

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days later and was going to fill it back up,

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and we started putting the corner in it, and one

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yelled and it done. The long drawled out yell like

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Bobo does on finding Bigfoot, that big long drawl, and

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it was so loud that it just made your whole

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body shape. And when it started, we thought it was

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actually an airplane of coming across the ridge real low,

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because the Forest Service had been doing some mapping and

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logging areas and stuff. But when it tapered off, we

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could tell it wasn't. But about fifty to seventy yards

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of bous and that was the first, other than the grail,

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the roar that it did when it got the coombe,

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that was the first vocalization that we heard. And it

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really got our attention, and you know, we didn't slow

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down of what we was doing, but we started paying

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a lot more attention, taking pictures of stuff that was

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happening and that kind of stuff. And that went on

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for years. I mean, every time we would go up there,

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we would have some kind of interaction, whether we was

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getting yelled at or stuff being placed in our trails,

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going to our deer stands, and like I said, messing

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with the feeders and the trail cameras and I was

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up there one evening men Newsom was a deer hunting

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and I'm sitting there and I hear.

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Two people, what I thought was people at the.

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Beginning, start talking and I could understand everything they said

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except the language. It was a language I'd never heard of.

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And I texted Newsom. That was on a Tuesday evening,

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and I texted him and I told him, I said,

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I hear somebody on your property. I said, I can

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tell that there's two of them, but what they're saying

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don't make any sense. I've never heard that language before,

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and I have got Native American Cherokee and my family,

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so I have actually heard third language, and honestly, was

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a lot like Native American.

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Language, but with monkey gibbers thrown in, you know, grunts and.

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That kind of stuff. Weeks and everything. So he told me,

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he said, we'll sit still until it gets dark because

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whoever it is will have to turn the lights on

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to get out. Well, we set to way way after

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dark and no lights ever come on. So we just

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decided to leave and then with us back in there

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on Thursday of the same week, and it happened again,

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and all of this is happening, so we're starting to

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put the puzzle together that there's actually something up there,

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especially once we heard the big long drawbout yill that

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it does or hell, whatever you want to call it.

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Big for society will be right back.

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After these messages, I had actually heard Bobo do that

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on finding Bigfoot, and when I heard that.

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I thought, well, that's exactly what Bobo does. And I

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told my buddy, I said, you may have some bigfoots

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up here, and he was like, you recognize, said, well,

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things is sort of adding up that way. And after

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for about two two and a half years, every time

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we would go in, they was either throwing stuff or

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putting stuff in our trails. My buddy passed away and

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I lost rights to go on to the property, but

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until we quit going on his property, we were still

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getting stuff put in our trails. I mean tops of

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pine trees broke out and drove into the ground, big

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bushes and trees broke over the trail. The yell and

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then rock throwing and stuff stopped after about two years,

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but messing whether trails and their cameras and stuff that

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continued up until he got sick, and I think it

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was twenty twenty.

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Tim I definitely have a few questions for you. This

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is i mean, a really incredible area. It sounds like,

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and I'm I'm sorry that you lost your friend as well.

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That's that's just extremely sad to hear that he has passed.

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There's probably a question that a few listeners are thinking,

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so I'm going to ask it, Yes, sir.

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What was it that.

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Did you ever have the thought when this first started

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that oh, is this just the is this just a

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retaliation prank or what was it that made you think, Okay,

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this is real and not just the boys trying to

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prank us back after we got them back.

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One thing was the bullies was still living in Florida.

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They was on their own and they was traveling with

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the band around all over Florida and Tennessee. And was

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it up here when things was happening. That was one

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of the first things is that we where we had

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our trail cameras. The bullies knew about, but you would

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walk right by without ever seeing them, so we knew

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there wasn't nobody coming on his properties. Not only did

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we have trail cameras in the woods, but we also

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had them on the driveway coming up in case people

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wanted to come in trespassing and that kind of stuff.

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But the way that we knew it wasn't his buys

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is that they was not even in the state at

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the time when most of this was going on.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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Were there ever any Did you ever have any visuals

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on the property of all of the creatures at all?

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Not on this property.

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I didn't I have seen then, but you would sort

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of have to see the layout of the property. It's

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actually laying at the mouth of where two little valleys

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come down and just one little flat spot. I mean,

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it was about the only place you could tell the

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house and the rest of it is high mountain ridges,

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and it is absolutely full of laurel bushes rhododendrons. We

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call them laurel bushes around here. But just the lay

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of the land what I have worn since then is

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it's hard to get above them. They're always going to

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have the high ground and his property. They seemed to

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stay right on the ridge right behind his house, so

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that whenever we come in, they would know we was

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there as soon as we pulled into the driveway.

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Did you ever were you able to ever get any

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audio recorded on the property?

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Not there, and that's one thing hit myself about. I

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was just documenting stuff on my phone. I wasn't really

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into researching that. I would document stuff, you know, like

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footprints and what they had break the limbs over and

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that kind of stuff, but I never really got into

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into the documentation and audio recording and all of that

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stuff until I met the guys that I'm in a

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group with now called Dirty Sack Dirty South Squashing, and

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they got me to taught me how to build recorders.

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Our audio recorders will record twenty four hours a day

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for two weeks, and then we have to go in

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and change them. And so they have got me, got

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me in on learning how to do that, and I

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have got a lot better at it. But I'm also

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a lot of the times that I'm in the woods,

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I am actually deer hunting, hog hunting that kind of stuff.

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So I ain't always got one of our pros on

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men all of.

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That stuff because it just gets too much to carry.

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But we do have certain research areas that have high activity,

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and that is where we do most of our research

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in that.

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Now, do you feel like you ever had any communication

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with the creatures on that property back and forth?

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I do. I honestly think that they have come to

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accept us. The me and my dad was up there

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bow hunting and it was getting that time evening for

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deer and stuff to start moving. And this was in

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twenty sixteen, back when it was a drive that we

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had all the wildfires, and I actually, this is one

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of the few times I have ever heard one come

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in around me. But at first I thought it was deer.

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And it's in November, so all the acrons and hicky

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nuts and all that stuff's off the trees, and there's

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rock lands about fifty yards out from me, and I

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felt comfortable enough and been around them enough to know

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that they wasn't gonna hurt me, or if they was,

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they could have done it, you know, years ago. So

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I thought, well, I'm just gonna sit here and see

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how close they'll throw the rocks. And the next one

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he had about thirty five forty yards from me, and

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then about twenty yards, and then about ten yards, and

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then the next one landed about a foot and a

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half from my foot, and I thought, well, it's definitely

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time to go, and I called my dad and told him.

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I said, well, they're up here throwing rocks at me

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it's time to go. When he told me he had

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never heard him do the whistle, and he was telling

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me there's where he was at. We took an old

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portagohn and made a blind out of it, and he

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hunted up closer to the theater and he told me,

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he said there was something down at the portajohn blind

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and it would whistle once, and something straight above me

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between me and you, it would whistle twice. And evidently

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what it had done was the second one that was done.

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The two whistles. It circled in around above me, and

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when it was time to go, they just let me know.

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I know, it's sort of hard to figure out, but

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I honestly felt like that they was used to us

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and knew that we wasn't a threat, and when they

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didn't want us to round, instead of being aggressive or

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anything like that, they would just suddenly, you know, let

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us know, usually rocks ben throwed, or a stick throat

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through the wood top of the trees or something like that.

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Did you ever try whistling back?

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I do.

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And that is actually when I was talking about the

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noose and being on the ladder putting the figure up,

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I had actually been standing there doing the whistle, and

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it probably wasn't five minutes after being up there that

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it through the rock in behind us. And for some reason,

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and I don't know why I do it, but it

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has been stuck my head. And I'll find myself just

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to walk in through the grocery store, walmart wherever, and

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I'll be doing that whistle, and I honestly don't know

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why I'm but it's just something that is stuck with me.

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And I actually do it when I'm in the woods,

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and I won't even realize I'm even doing it.

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Is that something where you could do that right now?

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Maybe not directly into the phone, but to the side.

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It'd just be would it would be interesting to hear

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what it sounded like.

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Yeah, let me get a ship water and oh, sorry

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to put you on the spot.

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Oh that's okay.

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It's just a single note to just go. That wasn't

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very loud.

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Oh really, Oh oh boy, that sounds familiar. Yes, I've

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heard that something similar in Oregon. Yeah, And we had

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there's a commun munication going back and forth and it

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was the most it was the most interesting slash horrifying

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thing I've ever seen, just the communication between one of

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our group and whatever it was just in the tree line.

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Man, that sounds familiar.

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Dude, Wow, wow, I'm glad. I'm glad that you recognize

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it that way. They know I'm not just making something.

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No, you're not, You're absolutely not. Tim.

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Wow.

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It sounds before we move on from this area. So

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it sounds like this area was sold after sold to

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someone else.

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No, once he died, his daughter got married, and the

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son in law started keeping things up up there, so

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they was you know, I only went up fire because

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of being him, being friends and doing stuff together. And

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there was really no reason for me to go back

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up there because this and law took over and was

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is a lot younger than both of us, so I

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help him. You know, we was always bowing and just

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keeping the place up, and the son in law took

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over that, so there's really been no reason for me

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to go back up there.

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It'd be interesting to know if that son in law

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is having issues happen or things happen on that property.

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I would guess it didn't just go away, but you

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never know.

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Oh, and I've talked to him and he still gets

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that creep out feeling when goose up there, like something

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of watching him and and that.

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Kind of stuff.

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And one of my research areas is actually just across

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the ridge from his property, and we have that is

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where I saw my second one, and we get a

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lot of audio and that.

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Kind of stuff from from that area.

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Like I say, which is just across the ridge from

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Notions Famili's property. If it wasn't such a big bridge

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and it was just a straight line, I would say,

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it wouldn't be not even high a mile.

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Oh okay, so I I see what you did.

461
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:20.799
So if you can't get in that area, I just

462
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:25.039
make a research area relatively close to it. And it's

463
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:30.240
probably the same bigfoot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it.

464
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:31.160
That's smart.

465
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.000
Can you walk us through what kind of things you

466
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.519
experienced over in that area? And it sounds like you

467
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.440
had some actual visual sightings over there.

468
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:44.480
Yes, sir, that area I was actually that was actually

469
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:49.400
one of my main hunting places. And then once I

470
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:54.920
started learning the signs that they leave, I started recognizing

471
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.680
it in that area. And that is when I met

472
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:02.559
Bob Trent and Dat Canbell there, the two founders of

473
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:07.599
Dirty South, Squatking and the White come up and went

474
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.200
with men. We started putting audiold recorders in there, and

475
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.240
we've got a lot of good stuff out of our one.

476
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.880
And this is it's on the subject, but it's one

477
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:21.079
of them things that we still ain't figured out.

478
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:25.039
On our audio recorders. At about two.

479
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.240
Thirty in the morning, you hear what sounds like two

480
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:33.480
hammer heads hitting together. And this place is about a

481
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.400
mile and a half back into the woods. So that's

482
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:40.400
one weird thing that we've never figured out what in

483
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:44.000
the world that was, But we have got good audio.

484
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.519
Old day we actually had them walking up and sniffing

485
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.359
and smelling the recorder, throwing rocks at the recorder, or

486
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.000
I'm pretty sure it was rocks. It could have been acorns,

487
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.960
but the time of year, they're probably eating the acron

488
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:05.079
instead of instead of throwing them. Also in that area,

489
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.359
we is word that. Like I was saying, I saw

490
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.480
my second one. We were walking in one day to

491
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.480
change all of our audio requarters out in our trail

492
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:23.200
cams and we smelled one. And just so people know,

493
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.079
they don't smell all the time.

494
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.039
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

495
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.200
They can do it just like a skump does.

496
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.160
And the reason that we know this on multiple times

497
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.799
we've had them up windows, and you'll smell them and

498
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.640
then they'll follow right along with you. You'll hear them

499
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:02.519
right up above you, and the wind's not changing directions,

500
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.400
but you don't smell them, so they do not smell

501
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.599
all the time. But we actually smelled that one, and

502
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:13.079
we're standing there talking about it. It was in an old,

503
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:18.039
growed up clear cut and everything was quiet. There wasn't

504
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:23.680
no birds making, no noise or nothing. And we're standing

505
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:27.279
there talking about smelling that, and I seen something moving

506
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:31.640
the clear cut and I told my buddy the White

507
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.039
I said, there's somethingthing moving in that clearcut. So we

508
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:37.559
stood there and talked a little while longer, and I've

509
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.400
seen it move again, and I told him, I said,

510
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.839
there's definitely something moving in that clear cut, and I

511
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:47.000
showed him worse. So he took his camera and zoomed in,

512
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.559
and there was one behind a big burn of dirt

513
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:55.359
with nothing just its head over top, and it actually

514
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.440
had a big green leaf across its forehead. You can

515
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.079
see in the pictures across its forehead and you can

516
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.839
see it south sow. It's the bridge of its snow

517
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:10.720
sticking out and the comical shape to its head So

518
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.960
that was the second one that I had ever seen,

519
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.720
and that one followed us all the way in there

520
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.400
and back out that day, and like I said, about

521
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:22.920
a mile and the heights in there and the mount

522
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:23.920
of the heights back out.

523
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.599
So you saw it through the camera. Did you actually

524
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:30.599
see it move as well?

525
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.359
I've seen it move. That's what got us to got

526
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.319
him to take the camera and zone men. Okay, oh

527
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.279
thick that it was hard to see with the naked eye,

528
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.640
but when he zoomed in with his camera and done

529
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:51.680
just a panoramic video, you could see it. Wow.

530
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.720
And you could see it moving as well during that

531
00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:54.720
time when it was zoomed in.

532
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:56.559
Yeah.

533
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:57.400
Wow.

534
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.279
Is that Are those available well to see anywhere? Is

535
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.440
that private research stuff?

536
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:08.279
Now? They should be. They've been posted on our well, actually,

537
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.079
I tell you on YouTube. If you go to White

538
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.960
Campbell on YouTube, you can find the video on there.

539
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.920
The name of it is a deer flush and a

540
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:25.359
bigfoot or something like that. Okay, deer flush on it

541
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:29.200
and bigfoot on it. I don't remember the very exact

542
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.480
compet but that's close to what it is, gotcha.

543
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:33.799
I will have to check that out later.

544
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:36.640
I did find the video I'll make sure it's it's

545
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.720
linked in the in the show notes for this.

546
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:41.599
So people can check it out.

547
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:46.480
And also in this area, I went in one morning

548
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.799
bowl hunting, and I got up to where I said that,

549
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.480
and I actually sat close to where our recorder audio

550
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.759
recorder is, and I just it was that time of

551
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.200
the morning where I could just start walking without a flashlight.

552
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.960
It was daylight enough to where I could see about

553
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:10.199
thirty forty yards ahead of me, you know good. And

554
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.840
I'm standing there, and I take my crossbow off my

555
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.559
shoulder and lean it against the train and get ready.

556
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.360
And when I hunt on the ground, I don't hunt

557
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:20.679
out of the tree stand, I said.

558
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.280
I sat on the ground, and.

559
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.880
So I took that the crossbow off and set it

560
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.519
down and was getting ready to take my backpack off.

561
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.719
And there was a door run down the hill, and

562
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:38.679
I knew something wasn't right because her eyes was real big,

563
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:42.760
in her mouth wide open, like she's being chased. And

564
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.360
when she seen me, she stopped and looked at me

565
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.559
for just a few seconds and then turn around and

566
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.599
run back up the hill. She runs probably sixty seventy

567
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.239
yards up the hill and stops and is looking up

568
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.280
the hill and turned around and runs back down to me.

569
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.760
Does that about six or seven times, just running from

570
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.440
up from me, back up, and then she finally stopped

571
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.960
about halfway, which was out of boat range. So I'm

572
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.840
just sitting there watching her, and she's looking at me

573
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.639
and looking up the hill like she don't know what

574
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:22.360
to do, and I'm thinking.

575
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:23.800
Well, what's from this crazy thing?

576
00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:27.320
Is the first thing that I thought, And I just

577
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.480
kept watching her, and she finally eased out a side

578
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.920
off over the side of the ridge that I was on,

579
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:38.239
and in about an hour after that, maybe an iron

580
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.760
two of them come through the tops of the clear

581
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:45.719
cut and they started hollering at me, and, honest to goodness,

582
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.280
I know it sounds funny, but it sounded like they

583
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:53.119
was cussing me out, and you could tell that there

584
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:57.679
was two of them doing that, And I honestly think

585
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.960
what I had done was I was I was walked

586
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.280
into where the deer was supposed to run to, and

587
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.800
the other one was supposed to be watching for it,

588
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.280
but when I come in, it had to go hide,

589
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.440
and that sort of missed their deer driver.

590
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.960
The ones that were yelling at you, were you able

591
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.840
to actually visually see them at that time, or just

592
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.320
you could tell they were there because the yells were

593
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:26.880
in the area.

594
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.440
I could just tell they was there. They was probably

595
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.280
probably two hundred yards from me, going around back around

596
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:43.239
the top of the mountain towards Newsom's side of the ridge.

597
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:48.400
Have you had multiple visual settings in that area or

598
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:50.400
was it the main one?

599
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.599
Now that that's only one that I've had in that

600
00:36:53.840 --> 00:37:01.360
area and we still have audio cords and tarl cam's

601
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:07.840
going in that area. Have you.

602
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:12.760
This is kind of.

603
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:18.679
Maybe out of the ordinary questions here, that's okay, Yeah, yeah?

604
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:23.679
And have there has there ever been any Have you

605
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.760
ever heard anything in your mind or has going into

606
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:29.400
the areas affected your dreams afterwards?

607
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:30.519
No?

608
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:35.360
Not, I've I've never. I've heard people talk.

609
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.400
About mine, mine speak or whatever you want, but I've

610
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:43.519
never I've never witnessed that. I keep telling people, and

611
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.039
I'm not making fun of people that do, but I

612
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:48.519
just tell them I must be on the wrong signal

613
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:53.599
or something, because I've heard anything like that. You know,

614
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.960
that area for over well it's about almost a year

615
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.960
to the day, but that area I could not go into.

616
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.320
I would get up there and it was just a

617
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.400
thing of dread, just like do not go in here.

618
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:17.000
I've had that happened a couple of times, and one

619
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.199
time it kept me from walking into a down tire

620
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:25.239
line one morning hunt. If I had listen to it,

621
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.079
I would have walked directly into a live pire line

622
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.480
that had the top of the pole had broke off

623
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.000
and it had come down, But it happened went low

624
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.639
enough to touch the ground. And I'm lettle Old six

625
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:41.840
feet tall, so I would have walked straight into it

626
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.760
if I happened to heed it that morning. So Ever

627
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:49.159
since then, I listened to it, and for a year

628
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:53.519
I could not go into that area, and it left

629
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:56.039
just as soon as it started. I do not know

630
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:01.960
if if maybe there was one there that had maybe

631
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.880
been hurt that was a threat, or one that's maybe

632
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.519
been run off and was aggressive or what. I don't know,

633
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.159
but I do know for and that's the only place

634
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:17.679
that I've ever felt that way about. But it was

635
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.000
at least a solid year before I could go in there.

636
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.280
So just to clarify, during that time, you were just

637
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.159
having a really bad feeling not to go into that

638
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.960
area where you're actually hearing something that said don't go

639
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:33.440
in here.

640
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:39.639
It was actually just that gut feeling like I don't

641
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:45.480
and it would almost bring fear apponent, not that you know,

642
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.719
just whatever you do, do not go into this area.

643
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:54.480
There's other places around it that hunted, maybe a high

644
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:58.679
three quarters miles away. Had no problem going to those places,

645
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.719
but it was this just this one particular area.

646
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.320
Has there ever been a time where you're out there

647
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.360
doing you know, bigfoot related research and just things have

648
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:18.360
gotten very intense in a way that you're like, you know,

649
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:20.800
we should really get out of here right now.

650
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:28.239
I've had some intense times we have actually been bluff charged.

651
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.840
This is in another area in the county that I

652
00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:40.599
live in. I have had encounters in five different places

653
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:44.159
throughout the county, so I know there's no way that

654
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.000
that one group of them can be running.

655
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:49.280
From one spot to the other spot to the other spot.

656
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:53.039
So there has to be at least five groups of

657
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.360
them here in the county. And I was taken d

658
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:01.159
White and a lady named Robert Munshadow down from Canada

659
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.559
to go with us, and we were I took them

660
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.119
to a place called Scaly Mountain that's on the North

661
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:15.840
Carolina Georgia border, and back there we went in the winter.

662
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.000
We went in February, but back before that, in like

663
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:23.079
October November, we were fixing a place for my dad

664
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:26.360
to deer hunt. And when we come back round through

665
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:29.639
the pine ticket, you could see where one had reached

666
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:31.760
up and grabbed a hold of a tree and pulled

667
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:33.639
the bark off of it. You can see where the

668
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:38.039
thumb wrapped around the tree, and where the other four fingers,

669
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.679
you know, you could see all of that clear. And

670
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.960
I was taking the white and robbing up there to

671
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.480
show them. And when you pull up, you go behind

672
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:51.559
the fire service gate and go out a little road

673
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:56.000
maybe one hundred and fifty yards, and then you go

674
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:59.159
out an old logging road till you left where we've

675
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.039
seen some structures on the right hand side. So we

676
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.039
dropped off that side and all of those pictures and

677
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.760
all of that stuff, and we come back going to

678
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.400
go around the road to where the pine tree was

679
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:16.159
that had been clawed on, and we hear something up

680
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.719
on top of the ridge just start teaching a fit.

681
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.639
Even the stuff up it knows them. I'd never heard

682
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:27.000
anything like this, and it come and just kept out

683
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.360
of side enough to wear it to where that we

684
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.960
couldn't see it, but we definitely heard it, and it

685
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:37.039
got between us and our vehicles. And that is the

686
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:40.400
only time that I've ever put my hand on my pistol.

687
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.800
I always carry one because you never know with rabbit,

688
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:48.360
coons and foxes and wild hogs and that kind of stuff,

689
00:42:48.400 --> 00:42:51.840
so always carry it for back up. I don't think

690
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.920
I'd ever had to use it on a big foot,

691
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.599
but it's most of the other animals. But anyway, it

692
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.199
got in between us and our vehicle, and it was

693
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:03.880
done a sound that if you look it up, because

694
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.599
once I heard it, I actually went and looked up

695
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:13.880
a silver back gorilla bluff charge and it's just like that,

696
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:18.239
except it is so loud, and I mean you feel it.

697
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.920
It was loud, and we just stood there. We have

698
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.400
learnt don't run, because it's like a cat in a

699
00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:30.559
mouse if you play dead or we act like we

700
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:33.559
just don't hear them, and we let them do their

701
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:37.960
stuff and go wong. You know, if the mouse places dead,

702
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:42.760
the cat lives his interest, and so we just let it,

703
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.719
let her do her sing, and then she moved on

704
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:49.480
and we went ahead, and I went out and showed

705
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.360
them the tree and we dropped off down of course

706
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.920
she went through and we found some small tracks in

707
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.719
there that might have been five inches long six the most,

708
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.039
so more than likely she had. And we also found

709
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.800
the maus down there, so more than likely she had

710
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:11.599
a small one down in the Mayis orse. She could

711
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:15.400
watch it from the top of that reage, and when

712
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.199
we started in betlaying her and the little one, she

713
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.360
come off and got it and moved on.

714
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.920
I mean, that could have been an extremely dangerous situation.

715
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.519
I mean, just think of what happens with a normal

716
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:31.360
animal in the wild, and then if you're too if

717
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:36.920
you buy mistake, mess with the younger animal. I mean,

718
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:41.480
the female mother animals can get very very intense, and

719
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.159
they could you know, I mean, in this situation, you'd

720
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.400
easily be taken out. But there's a bluff charge. So

721
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.559
if I continue down the road that I'm going, there's

722
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.039
a high likelihood that I'll probably get into one of

723
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:57.400
those situations myself one day with a bluff charge. That

724
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:02.599
must be a really intense situation. Where internally are you

725
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.840
Is there a struggle where you're like just run your bodies,

726
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.320
like saying just ron but you have to mentally say

727
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:12.199
don't go anywhere. Is there back and forth going on

728
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:13.559
in that situation.

729
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:18.079
Or really no, And I don't know if it's because

730
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:21.000
I've been in the woods so much. Just like a

731
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.559
black bear, you don't want to run from them. You

732
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.920
stand your ground and try to look bigger. And for

733
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:34.559
some reason, it never entered my mind to run. And

734
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:40.280
I was confident that if we just stood still, that

735
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:43.480
she would, you know, because if they really wanted to

736
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:48.519
hurt us, like I said before, there's been probably hundreds,

737
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.320
if not thousands of times they could have done something

738
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:52.199
to us.

739
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:56.440
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

740
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:16.760
And we didn't ever seen it coming. And so I

741
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.880
was pretty confident if we just stood still and let

742
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:23.039
her do whatever it was that she wanted to do

743
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.039
and let it move on, then we would probably be.

744
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.119
Okay, gotcha? Do you ever leave?

745
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:34.599
Are there gifting situations that are going on this area?

746
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:36.840
Is that something that you stay away from?

747
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.440
I actually stay away from it, especially gifting food. I

748
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:49.920
have ball and not in the the my main research area.

749
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:51.559
Right now, stand an Indian.

750
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.760
I have taken a ball that when it bounced, it

751
00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:01.000
lights up, and I've left that I have. If you

752
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:04.480
look in the grocery store or Walmart. You'll see the

753
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.599
tubs of chewing gum of like juicy fruit, that kind

754
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:12.000
of stuff, and I have actually left one of those.

755
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.159
I took all the papers off of it because I

756
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.840
don't want to live, but I left.

757
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.440
Just one piece of gum in it and it got

758
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:20.079
to missing.

759
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.079
The last time that we was in our research area there,

760
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.280
I left a it looked like a plastic yellow crane,

761
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:34.000
and we honestly think we found what we called a

762
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:38.639
play area up there. So I left that on top

763
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.199
of one of the trees that they had carried in

764
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:46.480
and leaned over. We're going back this Saturday to check it,

765
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.800
so hopefully we can see if they have got it

766
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:53.599
or not. But I do not ever put food out

767
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:58.440
because just like bears, I don't want them to associate

768
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:03.880
people with food. All my places that I do this

769
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.480
is on public land, and I don't want me to

770
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.760
have been carrying the food in there and them get

771
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:14.199
to expecting when they see people to expect food, and

772
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:18.239
then somebody goes in without in and they get aggressive.

773
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:23.119
And I don't think somebody would get hurt, but I

774
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.639
think that it might scare them enough to where they

775
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.519
wanted to hurt the bigfoots, you know, maybe take a

776
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.320
shot at them or something like that, So I stay

777
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:33.360
away from the food.

778
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:35.480
I mean, it may work.

779
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.719
I've got a good friend of mine that has done it,

780
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:43.119
and he would take in, go in and leave moon

781
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.000
piths and that kind of stuff and ring the bell

782
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.559
and they would come in after he runs that bell

783
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.360
and get his moon piths and stuff. But I just

784
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:56.119
don't want to do that on public land.

785
00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.360
Well, it sounds like what your friend is doing as

786
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.880
he's setting up Pavlovian response, which is, you know, the

787
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.559
famous experiment with the I believe it's a dog in

788
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:10.880
the bell in the food, And I mean, yeah, yeah,

789
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.000
there's probably a different way, a few different ways to

790
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.119
look at that, but that's pretty incredible that he set

791
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.599
it up that. I mean, he just has to rampel

792
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:21.639
and literally the bigfoot come running.

793
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:30.440
Well, and he's actually got videos and stuff that he's

794
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:36.360
been offered ten thousand dollars to put out, and he

795
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.400
won't do it because he don't want Number one, he

796
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.199
don't want them bothered. You know. One of the men, he's

797
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:47.960
a he's a and he's like, if we start putting

798
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.119
stuff like this out, then everybody and their cousin's going

799
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:54.000
to run into the woods of thinking that they can

800
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:58.719
put moon pis in the dinner bell and and if

801
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.159
people get hurt, that's one thing, but hey, don't want

802
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:02.480
them to get hurt either.

803
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:06.559
I'm guessing this is a gentleman who's kind of staying

804
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.239
under the wire. Probably not a big presence online stuff

805
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:10.599
like that.

806
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.840
Yeah, well, I can give you his name. His name

807
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:19.679
is Doug Tigue. He was actually on the show if

808
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:24.599
I ain't mistaken the evidences out there, and it actually

809
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.920
shows one up on the hill. Of course, the ones

810
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:30.719
that was supposed to be experts on the show. Oh,

811
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.000
that's probably somebody in a in a suit or something

812
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.360
like this. And if it is, then they're bigger than

813
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.280
Humming Herman monsters all I can say.

814
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.679
Right, yeah, exactly, that's that's a classic show right there.

815
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.480
Ever since that he put that out, and you know,

816
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.039
you can tell if you spend any times in the

817
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.360
woods and I've seen them, you could tell definitely that

818
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:59.480
it was one watching him. His dog got quite and

819
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.159
they was like, well, if it was a true big

820
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:06.280
put that dog would go crazy. Actually, dogs will tuck

821
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.559
their tail under them and run. I mean, the biggest

822
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:14.400
baddest dogs that there are the Belgian balla water. I've

823
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:18.239
got a buddy that is a police officer, and he

824
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:21.760
drove down the road one evening and got out to

825
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.360
let the dog use the bathroom, and he done a

826
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:28.840
whistle and one whistled back. And when that thing whistled,

827
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.679
he said, his dog like to have clawed the side

828
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:37.199
of the car trying to get back into his police car. Wow.

829
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:41.400
So Doug, he just after that, he just sort of

830
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:45.559
keeps to hisself and and he'll give, you know, keeps

831
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:47.639
us up to date and that kind of stuff. But

832
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.760
he just sort of quit putting anything out because he

833
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.840
didn't want to have to put up with all the ridicule.

834
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.480
Absolutely, I've been looking at a map of the different

835
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.039
areas that you've mentioned. It looks like it's kind of

836
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:08.239
down where North Carolina and Georgia and South Carolina meet

837
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:12.760
that kind of area. Yeah, and it's definitely there's some

838
00:52:12.800 --> 00:52:15.760
big national forest down there. It's south of the Smoky

839
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.320
Mountains National Park. But yeah, it's just man, it's just

840
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.559
forest and forest and forest down there.

841
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:26.199
I can own my research area and stand an Indian,

842
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:30.960
I can I can take you up there, and that

843
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.880
you see how vast it is. There's probably places there

844
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:35.280
that nobody's ever been.

845
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:37.599
Wow.

846
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.800
I mean, that's how big the just the woods are here.

847
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.400
Another place that you can look on your map is

848
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.480
around Rainbow Springs, which is near non Hala Lake. That

849
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:58.559
was where I saw my very first one there. That

850
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:03.400
is also an area that I just want to say,

851
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.480
that's also an area of where I've been yelled at

852
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:09.159
and where I saw my very first one.

853
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:13.280
Would you be able to share about the what happened

854
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.800
the first time that you were able to see one?

855
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.320
Oh, yes, sir. I was in there boat hunting, and

856
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:27.119
I was just minding my own business, not really thinking

857
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.119
anything about it. I knew that what was going on

858
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:32.760
over at Newss and that kind of stuff, but I

859
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:37.000
didn't think nothing about it up there. And I was

860
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.039
just walking up the redge. I was going to get

861
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:41.719
on the very tip top of the ridge and set

862
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.039
close to a clear cut and deer hunt. And I

863
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:47.800
was walking up there and all of a sudden, about

864
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.599
maybe ten yards in front of me, it come out

865
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:57.039
from behind a behind a tree, and it run probably

866
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:03.480
i'd say maybe ten another ten yards on two feet

867
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:08.079
and then it dropped down to all fours and it

868
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:13.639
got out of there quick. I mean it covered one

869
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:17.559
hundred and fifty one hundred and seventy yards in no time.

870
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:21.880
I mean by the time I looked at it and

871
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.039
I thought, well, I seen what it was. And then

872
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.360
it dropped down and I had never seen them run

873
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.079
that fast. I didn't know. So I looked back, you said,

874
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:33.639
if as another one or anything, And when I turned round,

875
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:36.400
it was it was already gone.

876
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.440
When it was running on all fours?

877
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.159
Was it was it?

878
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.760
Have you seen any other creature that runs like that

879
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.000
on all fours? Was it similar to anything else?

880
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.039
To be honest with you, it looked like a hyaena.

881
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.039
And the reason I say that is the front end

882
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.519
its horns was smush longer than its back legs. That

883
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:06.559
it was had the position of like a hyena. But

884
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:10.880
it run the best I could tell, and the best

885
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:16.519
I remember, it would put its too from hands down

886
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:19.719
and then bring its back feed up, just like a

887
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:25.880
just like a dog or a deer or anything you

888
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.119
know like that runs. It put its front legs out

889
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:31.920
and then push off and with its back legs. And

890
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:35.119
like I said, it covered some distance real quick.

891
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.360
That must have been a sight to see you for sure?

892
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:40.639
Did you go ahead?

893
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.280
I'm sorry, I was just going to say it was,

894
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:49.480
especially when you know you're you're just now grasping what's

895
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:50.000
going on.

896
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.360
In another part of the county.

897
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:57.519
Not even ready thinking that anything is going on anywhere

898
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.679
else in the county. I thought it was that they

899
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.159
was in one part of my budge's property. But then

900
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:09.679
as I've done more found more areas. I found out

901
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.400
that there's quite a few of them. But that first

902
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:16.679
one after my Budge's property was like that is you know,

903
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.599
it just flows you for a minute, because then it

904
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.559
gets you wondering, well, I wonder how many of these

905
00:56:22.599 --> 00:56:25.559
creatures they actually are in this county?

906
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:29.960
And is this in Macon County?

907
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:32.360
Yes, sir, it is.

908
00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:35.440
So did you.

909
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:39.199
Get a pretty good look at the head of the

910
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.039
creature when you had that visual?

911
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:46.039
Just it happens the fast it come out, and it

912
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:49.199
had the side of its head. You know, it wasn't

913
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:52.199
looking at me when it come out. It was looking

914
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:57.519
straight ahead, and it happened the fast. Honestly, it took

915
00:56:57.559 --> 00:56:59.880
me by surprise. I didn't get that good of a look.

916
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:03.559
In my mind, it was registering not what in the

917
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:04.880
world am I looking at.

918
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:09.920
Understood? So probably not?

919
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:13.440
I mean details like shape of the head or if

920
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.360
there was a neck to it at all.

921
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:18.360
I can tell you there wasn't no neck, because I

922
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:21.159
seen that once it dropped down and was running.

923
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:26.559
It looked like its head just stayed on its shoulders.

924
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:28.079
When it was running.

925
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:32.039
Were you able to see the bottoms of the feet

926
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:32.360
at all?

927
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:37.440
Because I was trying to look at its body, the shape, and.

928
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:44.639
Anything interesting about the color of it, or the hair

929
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.280
length or anything that you'd noticed.

930
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:51.440
It was I would say a sharp coal gray may

931
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.400
be black. It was.

932
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:55.719
It was dark colored.

933
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.559
Were you able to notice anything underneath the hair it all?

934
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:06.760
No, sir, Like I said, the whole thing probably didn't

935
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:11.280
last maybe ten fifteen seconds and it was gone.

936
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:11.760
Yep.

937
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:12.639
Absolutely.

938
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:17.320
Now the one that I well, since we're talking about

939
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:20.920
Rainbow springs, me and my dad was in there, not

940
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:25.599
this past Turkey season, but the year before in twenty

941
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:30.719
twenty three, And it was real cold that morning, and

942
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:34.800
I had put an extra cod on under my clothes

943
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:40.079
and was in our turkey hunting and didn't hear nothing.

944
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.559
So I decided to hit my woodpecker call. A lot

945
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.280
of times we'll get a response from turkeys out of that.

946
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:48.719
So I hid it, and.

947
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:51.880
Maybe one hundred.

948
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:55.880
Yards below me, a cology started, and I thought, well,

949
00:58:55.960 --> 00:59:00.000
just come on up here and I'll get rid of you.

950
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:03.159
And as soon as that cold you hushed a big

951
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:09.119
footthuler from the same area, and I was trying to

952
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:10.320
grab my phone out of my.

953
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:14.639
Pocket to get it recorded and it quit.

954
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:20.840
It probably lasted maybe five ten seconds and just over

955
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.760
paper real life while I got on. I've got on

956
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.559
my turkey vest, plus a light jacket, plus a long

957
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:29.840
sleeve shirt and a T shirt and I'm trying to

958
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:33.960
get through all of that. And once it quit, I thought, well,

959
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:38.239
don'g gone, and it done it again, so again I

960
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:41.159
tried to get my phone out and still cutting, and

961
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.159
when it stopped that time, I thought, well, that's probably

962
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:47.760
definitely the end of it. But it wound up hollering

963
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:54.280
four different times. And my dad was a good three

964
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.840
quarters of a mile a mile away from me. And

965
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.880
when we got back to the truck, I got there

966
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.199
for he didn't he come out and walking down the

967
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:06.800
road ton't He said, did you hear that holler this morning?

968
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:09.639
And I said yeah, I said it was riding under me.

969
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:11.920
He said, is that what I think it was? And

970
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.280
I told him, I said, yeah, it was definitely one of them,

971
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:17.719
and he said, man alive. He said it just echoed

972
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.920
up where he was at. But that's the That's the

973
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.079
two encounters I've had in that area.

974
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:32.119
Absolutely just just fascinating stuff from this this one county

975
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:35.599
seems like it's got a lot going on. When I

976
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.960
talked to Harley. I've talked to Harley a few times,

977
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:41.599
and I've talked to other individuals from his area, and

978
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:45.280
something that I noticed is that there is definitely seems

979
01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:48.880
to be some sort of government influence, and there are

980
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:55.079
unmarked cars seeing and just other related things. Big for

981
01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:13.920
society will be right back after these messages. Have you

982
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:19.079
ever picked up on any out of the ordinary, you know,

983
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.440
cars around when you're going out to look for a Bigfoot,

984
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:26.239
or any weird government interference with any of your bigfoot

985
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:27.039
research down there?

986
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:29.519
I had my computer to crash.

987
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:34.239
I had went to a meet up in Alabama and

988
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:39.639
met a guy named Bo and that's just his nickname.

989
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.119
And he asked me, he said, have they been to

990
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:43.079
see you? Get?

991
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:47.480
And I said who? He said, the men? And I

992
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:50.559
said no, I ain't saying nobody. He said was as

993
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.559
much as you under putting out, they will.

994
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:57.480
And I just never I thought, now they ain't you

995
01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:00.719
know what. I ain't that big book person for them

996
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:03.960
to be looking for anything I'm doing. But I started

997
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:09.559
a TikTok account and finally got enough follow wors to

998
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:13.719
where I could do a live show. And I told

999
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:16.800
I told him on there, I give them the date

1000
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:20.159
that I was going to do it and everything, and

1001
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:23.880
so my come, my son come over and was going

1002
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:25.519
to help me with it. He's going to read their

1003
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:30.920
questions and that stuff. And he gets over here and

1004
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:34.519
I'd used my laptop the day before and everything was

1005
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:36.920
working fine. So we start.

1006
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:39.920
Trying to pull it up, and my laptop does nothing

1007
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:40.440
but set.

1008
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:44.000
There and spend the little icon on it is just

1009
01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:48.039
setting our spending. And finally it gets time for us

1010
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.320
to do the live show, so we have to do

1011
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:50.760
it off.

1012
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:52.159
Off our cell phone.

1013
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:58.280
And I took my computer to the computer place here

1014
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:02.039
in town and he told me, he said, your hard

1015
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:06.559
drive's been tribes and I'm like what he said, yees,

1016
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.639
I said, You've lost everything on it. And that was

1017
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:14.400
everything that I had collected from two thousand.

1018
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:15.280
And they ate all the way up.

1019
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.360
I'm thinking that was in uh two thousand into two

1020
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:25.320
twenty twenty three, two twenty two, twenty twenty three, somewhere

1021
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:29.079
around in there. And he said, everything on this's come

1022
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:31.519
and said there's nothing that we can save off of it.

1023
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.079
And I told him, I said, well that's okay because

1024
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:39.599
I backed everything up on the thumb drive. And so

1025
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:42.880
he went ahead put a new everything in my computer

1026
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:44.280
because there wasn't nothing working.

1027
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:48.199
New hardboard, hard drive, a mother board.

1028
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:51.159
All that stuff. And I get a home and I thought, well,

1029
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:55.519
I'll download my pictures off my thumb drive. I get

1030
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:58.079
it up, plug it into my pictures, and right there's

1031
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:01.800
all the folders named when I when I keep my evidence,

1032
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:06.199
I keep it logged by the year and the location

1033
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:09.239
that it comes from. That way, when I want to

1034
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.079
go back and look, I can find it easier. And

1035
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:16.519
I started to open them up, and everything on it

1036
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:21.559
was gone, and that thumb drive had not been bothered

1037
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:24.679
since I loaded everything down on it and stuck it

1038
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:29.920
in the drawer underneath my computer. And how it got

1039
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.360
is apter or whatever you want to call it out.

1040
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.599
I don't ever know when I'm not saying that the

1041
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:39.199
government done or nothing like that, but it's just seemed

1042
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:41.960
awful funny that the day that I'm supposed to go

1043
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.079
live on TikTok and answer questions that kind of stuff,

1044
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:50.000
that my computer gets fried and done. All my years

1045
01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:54.159
of research on that thumb drive also gets gone. They

1046
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.840
was in my Bigfoot folder. Not only did I keep

1047
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:01.679
my Bigfoot stuff, but also off the trail cameras deer

1048
01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:04.480
and hogs and all that kind of stuff. So I

1049
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:09.119
had probably ain't no telling them how many thousands of

1050
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:13.800
pictures on that. And when I opened up the big

1051
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.199
Foot fall, all the other ones had nothing in them.

1052
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:19.599
The big Foot fill had one picture in it and

1053
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:23.679
that was all. And like I say, I can't I

1054
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:28.360
can't honestly say what done it? But something happened to

1055
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:33.639
it because it was working fine the night before and

1056
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:37.239
then that day, five minutes before it's supposed to go

1057
01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:39.719
live it it won't do nothing.

1058
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:45.519
That is that is a tragedy and really really makes

1059
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.719
you wonder about stuff like that. What is your what's

1060
01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:49.880
your TikTok user name?

1061
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:56.039
My TikTok is Tim Dill's thirteen okay cool?

1062
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:04.840
Something that listeners always they kind of have been pushing

1063
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:09.159
me to ask questions related to this, so I might

1064
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:14.280
start to do it, and we'll come at it like this.

1065
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:19.400
In the areas that you research, have you ever found

1066
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:24.320
evidence of other creatures besides bigfoot in those areas.

1067
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:26.760
That are not your normal animals?

1068
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:29.360
No, I've honestly not.

1069
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:38.480
The only thing that I have seen that it's hard

1070
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:42.199
to explain. I have seen a bottle of lot moving

1071
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:47.599
through the woods. If you look on your mouth, there's

1072
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:49.719
a place called poetry.

1073
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:51.960
It's also while your robe.

1074
01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:57.119
That is also one of my maind hunting and research areas.

1075
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:02.320
In that area, I have and grawl that had blocks throad.

1076
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:07.239
I'll just give you a quick story on that area.

1077
01:07:07.480 --> 01:07:10.920
I was going in and I noticed all this stuff

1078
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.679
broke across my trail. But I was going in to

1079
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:19.039
change my cameras and stuff out, and I reach up

1080
01:07:19.239 --> 01:07:22.519
and break a limb off that's about seven haigh feet high.

1081
01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:25.400
I reach up and take my phone out and document it,

1082
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:28.400
of course, and break it off and throw it on

1083
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.880
the ground out of the trail. I get up into

1084
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:36.119
where my trail goes through a laurel thicket that I've

1085
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:41.199
cut a trail through. There's a stick stuck in sideways

1086
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:43.960
that would have hit me across the chest, and went,

1087
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.519
I'd get my phone back out, document that and show

1088
01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:50.039
that there's no way that that stick could have failed there.

1089
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:53.119
I take it out, thought down, go on through. I

1090
01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:53.639
come out.

1091
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:55.880
It takes me by the iron. I have to walk

1092
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:56.960
into this area.

1093
01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.719
When I come out the other side, I'm sitting there

1094
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:03.800
rest in a minute, and a rock comes over my

1095
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.000
head and lands out in front of me in a

1096
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:08.039
clear cut, and.

1097
01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.599
So I'll get my phone back out and I'm well, they.

1098
01:08:10.519 --> 01:08:13.400
Just throw the rock. It landed here, and it seemed

1099
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.559
like it come from behind me. And I turned my

1100
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.600
camera around backwards and done that, and went on in

1101
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:22.640
and done, changed my stuff out and come back down.

1102
01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:26.439
And where I broke that first limb off, there's two

1103
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:30.840
fresh limbs laid across the trail that wasn't there. Went

1104
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.760
I went in. I mean they're green. You could tell

1105
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:36.960
they had been broken and laid down while I was gone.

1106
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:40.119
So I get my phone out document them throw them

1107
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:45.119
by the way. I'm going through another less fiction of laurels,

1108
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:48.079
and it's not like the one that had the stick

1109
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:52.600
in it. It's small, maybe twenty feet through it. I

1110
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:54.840
start into it and I hear one growl at me,

1111
01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:57.840
and I don't have the best hearing in the world,

1112
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:02.000
so I knew that it was pretty close. And I thought, well,

1113
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:04.680
you crazy things. I ain't got tons of fool I've

1114
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:07.359
got stuff I got to do. And when I come

1115
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:13.640
out the other side, it ground at me again, and

1116
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.199
I thought, well, I ain't got to fools. I just

1117
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.199
actually like I didn't hear it. And I get ready

1118
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:23.840
to step across this small frequent branch that was there,

1119
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.680
and I look and they had stuck a stick up

1120
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:30.319
between two trees that would have hit me across the

1121
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.800
bridge of the nose, and I'd get my phone out

1122
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:37.680
and document it, and I no, definitely it wasn't there,

1123
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:39.600
because I'd had to have moved it to a walk

1124
01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:40.199
up through there.

1125
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:42.800
So I get off of that.

1126
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.279
Old logging road back down into the main logging road,

1127
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:49.520
and there's a lot of a locust tree that I

1128
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:53.079
have to go wonder, and they had broken the maypole

1129
01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:56.680
over about the bigger round as a softball. They had

1130
01:09:56.800 --> 01:09:59.119
broke it over top of the the.

1131
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.680
Locust while I was up in there.

1132
01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.439
And so I'll come out and the document that and everything,

1133
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:09.560
but that is the area where I saw the light

1134
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:12.560
men knew some. He dropped me off and went on

1135
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.520
around the road hunting, and I went up in and

1136
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.399
were a hunted up there, and I come back out

1137
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.560
and I'm standing there, and me and him had just

1138
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:25.680
a few days before that bought some real bright flash

1139
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:29.840
lights from Walmart. They're super bright. And so I'm standing

1140
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:33.119
there and I looked down. That's getting dark dark, and

1141
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:37.199
I looked down the hill and I seen this orange

1142
01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:41.279
bowl about the size of a grapefruit. But it's real

1143
01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:46.880
dull orange, almost like an old lantern, to the glow

1144
01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:51.640
off an old lantern. And it's moving intelligently, I can

1145
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:55.680
tell you know. It's not just zipping here round the belts,

1146
01:10:56.079 --> 01:11:00.760
honestly looking like it's looking for something. And I thought, well,

1147
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:04.319
what's he doing with that old flight shlight. We've got

1148
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:06.319
our new ones and I always got it with him.

1149
01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:10.680
And I stand there and watch it and watch it,

1150
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:12.239
and I thought, wal go down there and see what

1151
01:11:12.279 --> 01:11:13.039
he's looking for.

1152
01:11:13.119 --> 01:11:16.319
So I turned my light on and shine down that way.

1153
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:19.439
And when I turned mine, it goes out, and I thought, well,

1154
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.600
he'd been waiting on me, so I'll get down there

1155
01:11:22.239 --> 01:11:24.880
and he's not there, and I'm thinking, well, he's going

1156
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:26.720
to try to jump out from behind a tree or

1157
01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:31.199
something scare me. And so I was for him and

1158
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:33.359
I told him, I said, I know you down here.

1159
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:38.039
I've seen the light on, so let's go. And I said, waited,

1160
01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:40.720
and he never get you up, and I thought, oh well,

1161
01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:46.520
And I got back down into the road where he

1162
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:49.560
let me out at and here he comes down the

1163
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:53.199
road to me, and we loaded all the stuff up

1164
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:55.600
and everything, and we start down road and I told him,

1165
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:59.079
I said, I just seen the weirdest thing. I said,

1166
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:01.760
I thought it was you, but there was an orange

1167
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:06.199
light moving around and it was done it intelligently, not

1168
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:11.880
just zipping around and everything like that. And he said

1169
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:16.119
seriously and I said yeah. He said he was setting

1170
01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:19.840
in my truck talking to his wife on the phone

1171
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.760
when he looked up in the road. Something called his

1172
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:27.239
attention in the rearview mirror, and he looked up and

1173
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:30.199
there was an orange wault of light come from below

1174
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:33.159
the road. It stocked in the center of the road

1175
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.159
and then it went up in to where I was at.

1176
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:41.880
That's the only thing that I've seen or had up

1177
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:45.800
in there that you know that I couldn't explain the

1178
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.199
bootfoot stuff is you know, that's easy to identify, But

1179
01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:52.359
that was the only thing that to this day I

1180
01:12:52.399 --> 01:12:53.680
still won't know what it was.

1181
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.439
There's definitely some weird things like stories like that that

1182
01:12:58.560 --> 01:12:59.960
come out of North Carolina.

1183
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:00.800
For sure.

1184
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:06.399
I found that every state seems to have it's really

1185
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:10.520
popular bigfoot stories that are or accounts that are passed

1186
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.800
around people that are interested in the community. And for example,

1187
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:17.920
like you have Oklahoma has a siege from early two thousand,

1188
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:21.079
or you've got the whole account of you know, the

1189
01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:25.680
Patterson Gimmon film filming from nineteen sixty seven. For California.

1190
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:28.600
Have you found that there's an account that seems to

1191
01:13:28.680 --> 01:13:32.359
always get passed around for North Carolina to people that

1192
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:34.119
are interested in the state.

1193
01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:40.159
Yeah, there's east of work from where I live is

1194
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:44.279
it's a a few hours driving east a place called

1195
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:47.960
South Mountain. They have the one there, they call it Nolby.

1196
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:53.399
That's the one that I think is most if you

1197
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:55.920
want to use the word famous, I think that's the

1198
01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:59.760
one that is most known in as North Carolina would

1199
01:13:59.800 --> 01:14:03.840
be Nolby.

1200
01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:07.399
Are there just a lot of sightings of that bigfoot

1201
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:10.479
around that area, or is it overly aggressive or that's

1202
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:12.119
what I haven't heard of personally.

1203
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.479
It as far as I know, it's not aggressive. It's

1204
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:19.079
just that there's things. There have been quite a few

1205
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:24.840
satins going back, you know, quite a few years, and

1206
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:26.720
instead going on today.

1207
01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:31.520
I will have to I'll have to look into that

1208
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:34.159
see if I can. Maybe if someone's from the area

1209
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:39.760
and they've experienced any knobby sightings or you know of

1210
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:43.199
the history, you feel free to reach out in the comments,

1211
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.920
or you can email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail

1212
01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:49.359
dot com. But Tim, it has been an absolute pleasure

1213
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:53.720
talking to you. You are involved with way more than

1214
01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:56.800
I would have guessed in this area, and it sounds

1215
01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.720
like you have quite a crew of researchers down there

1216
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:00.880
are looking into this.

1217
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:04.840
Yes, sir, I've got If you've got time, I can

1218
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:08.520
tell you of my most recent sighting.

1219
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:10.920
I would love that. Yeah, I definitely have the time.

1220
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:15.279
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

1221
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:35.159
It. I actually got a pretty good look at back

1222
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:40.159
up on Standing Indian. I was going in and changing

1223
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:44.760
my audio recording my trail cams out and was walking

1224
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:47.920
back out and I thought, well, I'm just gonna. It

1225
01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:50.920
was deer and deer season, so it had to be

1226
01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:55.119
into November, first of December. Well, actually I know when

1227
01:15:55.159 --> 01:15:58.600
it was. It was the first day of December in

1228
01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:03.520
twenty twenty three, and I was walking back out and

1229
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:05.159
I thought, well, I'm just gonna sit right here and

1230
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:10.239
hunt till dark. And I sat down, and I always

1231
01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:13.239
carried the Bible on my phone. I'll sit there and

1232
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.000
reading my Bible. And I've been reading the bottle ire,

1233
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:19.000
just waiting on it to get you know, lady in

1234
01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:22.039
the evening for deers start moving. And when I got

1235
01:16:22.039 --> 01:16:28.720
through reading, I thought something watching me, and I turned

1236
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:32.000
around and looked up on the little old ridge above me,

1237
01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:38.359
maybe one hundred yards if that no more than one

1238
01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:42.479
hundred and twenty, and I see one standing there looking

1239
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:46.319
at me. It's pushing seven high, fake feet tall, a

1240
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:50.760
dark color. I can see everything, but it's right shoulders

1241
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:54.880
out from behind the tree. I couldn't see its face

1242
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:59.640
real good, but I could see no neck bed brought shoulders,

1243
01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:04.760
the dollar of it, the conical head not you know,

1244
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:07.399
it wasn't like a pyramid or nothing like that, but

1245
01:17:07.479 --> 01:17:09.760
you could tell that it was more than the human's

1246
01:17:09.760 --> 01:17:14.399
head and I'm trying to get my phone back. I

1247
01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:17.119
had just switched an iPhone, and I'm trying to find

1248
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:19.079
out how to zen men and all of this stuff.

1249
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:22.319
And I know that it's not going to last. You

1250
01:17:22.399 --> 01:17:24.479
know that it's not going to stand there forever. So

1251
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:28.079
I throw my phone down and I pick up my

1252
01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:31.319
rifle and I turn around to look where it's at,

1253
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:35.239
because that's you know, when you're hunting and you learn

1254
01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:37.319
to shoot, you keep your eyes on the target and

1255
01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:39.720
you bring your gun up to it. So I was

1256
01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:42.199
watching it, and when it seemed to pick my gun up,

1257
01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:45.840
it stepped back behind the tree, and all I could

1258
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:50.560
see was it's left shoulder. And I looked and looked

1259
01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:52.840
and cut and see nothing but it's shoulder. And I thought, well,

1260
01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:54.800
I don't want it to think I'm gonna heard it,

1261
01:17:55.600 --> 01:18:00.560
So I put my gun back down and it and move.

1262
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:06.640
I watched for probably three or four minutes. It would

1263
01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:09.600
just stand there with its shoulder out, and.

1264
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:13.279
I thought, well, I'll turn them around.

1265
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:15.159
I scooted to where I could look out the.

1266
01:18:15.079 --> 01:18:16.640
Corner of my eye and watch it.

1267
01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:22.840
And once it thought I'd turned my head, it come

1268
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:25.159
out from behind it, but it dropped down to all

1269
01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:29.319
fours and crawled on its belly like an army crawl.

1270
01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:32.039
It crawled from one clump of trees to another clump

1271
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:36.800
and checked to make sure I wasn't watching it, and

1272
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:39.720
then it crawled from there back across the little old

1273
01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:45.560
ridge that it was over. And later I see that

1274
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:52.840
was in December twenty three, No, not December twenty three,

1275
01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:57.000
December twenty one. And then me and my wife went

1276
01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.439
in there and cast today. After that, I asked a

1277
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:04.600
track in there that is sixteen inches long and sixteen

1278
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:06.399
inches long and eight inches wide.

1279
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:15.640
Man, I can't imagine experience something like that. You must

1280
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:17.479
have been hardly breathing the whole time.

1281
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.840
Actually, it's I was.

1282
01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:27.199
I'm like just excited, like, okay, I find it. But

1283
01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:29.560
a good a good look.

1284
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:31.600
On one, you know what I mean. Yeah, And that's

1285
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.680
the reason I want. I wanted to see their face

1286
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:36.880
up close. That's the reason I was trying to get

1287
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:40.039
my phone out. And then when I couldn't do that.

1288
01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:42.600
Whenever I couldn't do that, that's the reason I picked

1289
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:47.680
my rifle up. I wanted to get real good face details.

1290
01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:52.199
But as soon as it see me pick up my rifle,

1291
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:57.319
it it stepped back behind there. But I've had and

1292
01:19:57.840 --> 01:20:00.319
I'm not bragging in I hope it don't sound way,

1293
01:20:00.359 --> 01:20:02.600
and I'm not trying to big and much of nothing

1294
01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:08.279
like that, but I interactions with them from Nusance property

1295
01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:13.199
on up through I don't I'm not afraid. I'm just

1296
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:17.800
excited that I'm actually getting, you know, getting to see

1297
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:22.439
another one.

1298
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:24.279
With all those years of research, do you have a

1299
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:28.920
goal of what you would like to try to accomplish before,

1300
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:34.000
you know, in the years of research that you have left.

1301
01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:37.479
I guess I would say, yeah, I would actually like

1302
01:20:37.560 --> 01:20:41.359
to get a good video of one. Not not to

1303
01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:43.000
get famous or nothing like that.

1304
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:46.319
I could care less about that, but I want it.

1305
01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:50.960
We've got some pretty good pictures between men, the guys

1306
01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:54.239
that I go with, We've got some good thermal videos,

1307
01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:57.920
real good thermal videos. But I would like to get

1308
01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:02.119
one just so I could plash it down to my grandkids.

1309
01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:10.000
You know, I'm getting ready to turn fifty seven Monday,

1310
01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.079
so I know I ain't got a lot of years left,

1311
01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:17.840
especially as bad as the Mountain's orange stuffer in here,

1312
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:20.520
but I would like to get something that I could

1313
01:21:20.560 --> 01:21:23.840
believe that my grandkids could you know something.

1314
01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:27.000
Besides, the peachers have something that they could watch.

1315
01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:32.079
And say, Even if I get to take them, that

1316
01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:35.840
would be awesome. But if not, they can look back

1317
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:39.039
and say, well here when people say they don't exist,

1318
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:43.119
well here's what my granddad found. You know, he's had

1319
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:45.880
all of these. I would love to get something like

1320
01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:51.840
that more for myself. If people wanted to accept that, fine,

1321
01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:55.119
If not, fine, I've been through that. I don't mean

1322
01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:57.439
to be a jerk or nothing. But people say, or

1323
01:21:57.560 --> 01:21:59.920
you're a believer, and I say, no, I'm gonna know.

1324
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:04.880
I'm older here, and no matter how much ridicule or

1325
01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:08.960
whatever people put on that, you know, I could there less.

1326
01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:11.520
I'm a grand man. I get over it. But I

1327
01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:14.399
would love to have something that I could pass down

1328
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:18.800
to my grandkids and maybe great green kids, and you know,

1329
01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:23.000
just to let them know. Because the way the world's going,

1330
01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:26.800
who knows what's going to be around in another thirty

1331
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:29.600
forty years, they may not even be no wilderness left

1332
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:31.760
to even set step in.

1333
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:35.600
Absolutely no, I agree. It's it's a kind of a sad,

1334
01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:40.000
sad future. And unless we fix it, what kind of

1335
01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:42.920
video set up do you have in order to try

1336
01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:46.079
to capture that you're using just your iPhone or other

1337
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:47.319
things we use.

1338
01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:50.920
We've got, of course, tons of trail cameras in the woods.

1339
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:52.359
We use gold pros.

1340
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:58.399
Our thermals are a GM Taipan I think has done

1341
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:01.960
the one thermal that I got. It's a short range thermal.

1342
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:08.640
My long range thermal is eighty N binoculars. They will

1343
01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:13.920
detect the heat's heigne teer out to a mile eighteen

1344
01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:18.279
hundred yards. So that's what I've used for my long

1345
01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:21.920
range up here. Like when the leaves get off the trees,

1346
01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:26.359
I can set and on one ridge and watch, you know,

1347
01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:28.000
for a long ways.

1348
01:23:28.479 --> 01:23:30.119
And those also record.

1349
01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:33.119
They both record video.

1350
01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:36.840
And like I say, we've got the gold pros, we've got.

1351
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:44.079
A little hand held they oh us caam couarters. They

1352
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:46.039
used to be cam corders. I don't know whatter call

1353
01:23:46.199 --> 01:23:49.600
them now, but the little hand held cam cords we have.

1354
01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:53.319
Those also use a and to think of what it is,

1355
01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:56.359
the gold Pros. And then I've got one that will

1356
01:23:56.399 --> 01:24:00.119
actually mount to my gun, but I can also so

1357
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:05.560
mounted to anything else also that I use. And the

1358
01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:10.119
audio recorders that we use there are Sonny personal recorders,

1359
01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:13.239
but we found a way they usually run off of

1360
01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:16.359
two double A batteries, but we have found a way

1361
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:20.119
to make them run off of two D batteries and

1362
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:23.159
they will, like I said, they will record twenty four

1363
01:24:23.159 --> 01:24:27.720
hours a day for two weeks. And now Bobb and

1364
01:24:27.800 --> 01:24:30.880
to What are a whole lot more technical than I am.

1365
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:34.880
I still have trouble win my cell phone sometimes, but

1366
01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:38.439
I am learning slowly but surely.

1367
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:42.640
But we also have the way my truck is fixed up.

1368
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:46.439
When we ride the back roads at night, I have

1369
01:24:46.800 --> 01:24:49.520
on my road bar. I have it fixed to where

1370
01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:54.319
I can put a mojor on it and attach my

1371
01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:57.279
thermal to it so it can go three hundred and

1372
01:24:57.319 --> 01:25:00.960
sixty degrees up down, whatever it needs to do. When

1373
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.920
we run that to laptops inside the inside my truck,

1374
01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:07.119
I'll have mine up there.

1375
01:25:07.760 --> 01:25:11.800
Bob Trent will have his with such and cuts mounted to.

1376
01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:17.079
The hood, and Dwight will have his either mounted or

1377
01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:20.399
he likes to just hold his a lot and sometimes

1378
01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:23.039
he'll ride in the back of the truck. And that's

1379
01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:25.880
just some of the ways we do our do our

1380
01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:28.560
recordings and stuff on the back roads.

1381
01:25:28.760 --> 01:25:32.760
When we're in the woods. Dwight looks like a walking

1382
01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:33.439
camera man.

1383
01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:39.920
I mean, he's always taking pictures and videos and we'll

1384
01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:43.119
get done and he'll start posting them and I'll chat

1385
01:25:43.520 --> 01:25:45.920
send him my text say when did you take that?

1386
01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:49.199
I didn't eve to see you. So he doesn't leave

1387
01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:51.239
the cameraman of the bunch.

1388
01:25:52.520 --> 01:25:55.479
It's always fascinating to hear about a new part of

1389
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.520
a state where there's intense research going on. I'd say

1390
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:03.760
we can definitely say that about Meecon County with with

1391
01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:07.680
you gentlemen, that you guys are definitely doing some great

1392
01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.840
work down there and it's it's been a pleasure chatting

1393
01:26:11.119 --> 01:26:12.680
with you today.

1394
01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:13.439
Tim.

1395
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.840
Do you have any as we kind of start to

1396
01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:18.560
roll things down, do you have any you know, final

1397
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:22.279
thoughts about bigfoot or anything regarding that.

1398
01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:26.119
One thing is, and I forgot to mention this, but

1399
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:29.800
right now we have higher simples being tested at North

1400
01:26:29.840 --> 01:26:35.640
Carolina State University. Okay, we have had some that Robin

1401
01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:40.079
Lundchad I took with her back to Canada and had

1402
01:26:40.119 --> 01:26:43.399
them and they ain't going to say there is such

1403
01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:45.920
a thing as a bigfoot, but if they was, it

1404
01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:49.520
meets all the crafter aia. So we have got that

1405
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:54.800
going on. Also. One thing is, it's one thing to

1406
01:26:54.880 --> 01:26:58.239
look them up on. You know, do your research online

1407
01:26:58.319 --> 01:27:02.520
and that helps a lot. But getting in the woods,

1408
01:27:03.159 --> 01:27:07.680
you know, is the biggest thing. Be sure you're prepared

1409
01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:11.520
because a lot of people that see them, they don't

1410
01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:14.960
ever want to go to the woods again. And then

1411
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:18.039
there's idiot us that can't wait to get back in

1412
01:27:18.079 --> 01:27:21.880
there and see if we can see another one. But

1413
01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:27.720
the main thing is stay safe that you know. It's

1414
01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:32.319
there's a lot of things out there that besides bigfoot,

1415
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:34.920
and like you said, we won't get into all of that,

1416
01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:38.439
but there's other things out there besides Bigfoot that can

1417
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:42.720
that can cause trouble. I've actually been snake bit head,

1418
01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:45.600
So just be careful and enjoy you.

1419
01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:48.359
Absolutely.

1420
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:49.159
Tim.

1421
01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:51.239
I've got one more question for you that I just

1422
01:27:51.279 --> 01:27:53.439
thought of, and then I will let you go when

1423
01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:57.399
you send. Just because you have found multiple research areas,

1424
01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:00.920
what are what are criteria you keep in mind when

1425
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:04.359
you're trying to find a new research area.

1426
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:11.239
One thing that seems I don't know if it's coincidence

1427
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:14.399
or whatever you want to call it, but one thing

1428
01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:18.920
is a food source. I have found a lot of

1429
01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:22.600
my research areas by finding places I wanted to hunt

1430
01:28:22.880 --> 01:28:26.279
putting trail cameras out finding deer in the areas, or

1431
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:29.720
we have quite a few wild hogs that kind of stuff.

1432
01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:33.840
But that is they have to have food and they

1433
01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:39.159
have to have water, and that is the two of

1434
01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:42.439
the biggest things to look for when a lot of

1435
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:46.560
times when I when I find that, I'll start deer hunting.

1436
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:49.239
And then as I learn more about the area, I'll

1437
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:53.159
start finding trees that are broke, you know, the access made,

1438
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:58.319
structures made where they've woven things together and that kind

1439
01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:01.680
of stuff. But theiggest thing is they have to have

1440
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:05.720
food and they have to have water. Shelter they can

1441
01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:09.359
make anywhere, especially around here. There's a lot of a

1442
01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:12.239
lot of caves, a lot of rock cliffs and stuff

1443
01:29:12.279 --> 01:29:16.359
for them to get in here in Making County. I

1444
01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:20.279
think they stay here year round. They don't migrate through when.

1445
01:29:20.319 --> 01:29:23.760
The reason I say that because we'll have encounters year round,

1446
01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:28.159
have them on our audio recorders year round. But I

1447
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:30.399
think the biggest thing that you want to look for

1448
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:34.560
is a food source, because something that big has to

1449
01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:36.199
have a lot of food.

1450
01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:43.079
Good good advice to keep in mind when looking for

1451
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:45.640
a new place. But Tim, thank you so much for

1452
01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:49.520
coming on Are there ways that people can keep up

1453
01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:51.720
to date with what you're doing or you kind of

1454
01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:55.439
under the you know, under the wire, like you're kind

1455
01:29:55.479 --> 01:29:57.920
of just keeped off to the side, or that there

1456
01:29:57.960 --> 01:29:59.920
are ways even people can reach out to you.

1457
01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:02.000
Oh yes, sir.

1458
01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:04.880
Anybody that wants to get a hold of me, they

1459
01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:07.239
can get a hold of me here on Facebook. You

1460
01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:08.359
can get a hold.

1461
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:09.199
Of me on TikTok.

1462
01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:15.640
I do have YouTube channel. It's the same as my TikTok.

1463
01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:18.239
But if you want to get a hold of me

1464
01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:22.039
and got questions or anything like that, since there's been

1465
01:30:22.079 --> 01:30:26.760
so much stuff going on on Facebook with fake things.

1466
01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:30.800
Just mentioned that, how mentioned Bigfoot and I'll know that

1467
01:30:31.760 --> 01:30:35.479
you've heard it from the podcast and that kind of stuff.

1468
01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:38.720
And I'll be more than glad to accept friend requests

1469
01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:42.600
and chat with you anytime you know that you got

1470
01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:46.079
a question or just want to chat or whatever. Just

1471
01:30:46.079 --> 01:30:49.600
feel free. I mean, I'm not one of them that

1472
01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:53.680
tries to stay hid. It ain't that I'm trying to

1473
01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:56.159
make the name or nothing like that. I care less

1474
01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:59.439
about that, But I don't see no use in hiding neither,

1475
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:03.520
especially if you can help other people, you know, That's

1476
01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:07.359
what it should be all about helping other people and

1477
01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:08.760
get naxers.

1478
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:13.399
Absolutely well, Tim, thank you so much for chatting today,

1479
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:15.800
and we'll have to keep in touch in the future

1480
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:18.600
to see what you guys get into next.

1481
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:19.199
But thank you.

1482
01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:22.960
Oh you're more than welcome, and thank you. Thank you

1483
01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:26.399
all the listeners. And as soon as we get some

1484
01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:29.720
information back on balk to Her samples turn up at

1485
01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:33.000
North Carolina State, I'll definitely get up with you and

1486
01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:35.640
give you the report on that.

1487
01:31:36.520 --> 01:31:40.479
Absolutely I'll be looking forward to that. Thank you, Tim,

1488
01:31:40.680 --> 01:31:45.760
Thank you, sir, and have a great eating. Stay tuned

1489
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:49.079
for a special ten minute clip from this week's special

1490
01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:54.439
members only episode in counter Pelooza four. We've talked before

1491
01:31:54.840 --> 01:32:01.199
write in messages. Yeah, oh man, it's a pleasure to

1492
01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:04.439
talk to you. We had some really interesting conversations about

1493
01:32:04.600 --> 01:32:06.520
probably a year or so ago.

1494
01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:09.600
Oh I want to say, it's been a long time.

1495
01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:15.079
Yeah. Yeah, I've been watching your podcast off and on

1496
01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:19.319
throughout the year, and I'm being in to talk to

1497
01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:22.840
you for a while too. Hopefully maybe one time, Wen

1498
01:32:22.880 --> 01:32:30.680
go bigfoot looking in Washington, Oregon sometime maybe. Yeah, I'll

1499
01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:35.279
show you some spots. I only lived up there for

1500
01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:42.439
twenty nine years. But there was a time I went

1501
01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:50.279
walking in she Hal's National Forest in Washington and I

1502
01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:55.199
had at that time, I had a rot wiler for

1503
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:58.800
a pet, and this guy he would go with me

1504
01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:01.880
on the trails. And as a matter of fact, I

1505
01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:05.920
think this was only the second time I had been

1506
01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:11.800
in the Sheehalis National Forest and partners of mine Native

1507
01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:16.119
guys Shala's Indians, they had all said, when you go

1508
01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:19.439
walking on those trails, be careful. I said, when you

1509
01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:22.720
go there when the sun comes up and when the

1510
01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:28.000
sun goes down. And I said really, I said, what forore?

1511
01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:32.680
And they were looking at me. These are like two

1512
01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:37.319
brothers and a friend of mine Hala's natives that grew

1513
01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:41.159
up there cutting wood and fishing in there and hunting

1514
01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:44.079
in there, and they said, because it's when the tall

1515
01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:51.399
people come out. And I went really, And this is

1516
01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:56.840
before I think this was probably my third running with

1517
01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:04.199
a bigfoot at this time, and it was probably a

1518
01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:06.960
year from the last time I had to run in

1519
01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:11.079
with them where I seen one. But I didn't know

1520
01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:14.479
that they were in that forest until they said that.

1521
01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:17.199
And they were like, yeah, when you're when you're moving

1522
01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:20.680
around on those trails or moving through the forest, especially

1523
01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:23.920
those trails. They said, try not to move around in

1524
01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:27.000
there when the sun's coming up or going down. I said,

1525
01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:33.720
because that's when they move around a lot. And I said, oh, okay, Well, anyways,

1526
01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:38.680
one morning I took my dog and I was like, okay,

1527
01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:43.600
let's go walk the trail, and just we're walking through

1528
01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:45.800
the forest through these trails. They got trails all through

1529
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:50.399
that forest, and I guess I don't want to really

1530
01:34:50.439 --> 01:34:55.279
says fog. It was more missed, but it was kind

1531
01:34:55.279 --> 01:35:00.279
of like foggy like. But so the myst come in

1532
01:35:01.439 --> 01:35:05.680
and visibility starts dropping down. And if you've ever been

1533
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:10.199
in that forest, it's thick. The undergrowth is thick, and

1534
01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:17.039
bushes everywhere, like five six foot high bushes everywhere, tall

1535
01:35:17.079 --> 01:35:20.720
trees everywhere, and so it starts kind of getting dark

1536
01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:25.800
real quick. When that myst came in, and I guess

1537
01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:30.000
it was probably around seven or eight in the morning,

1538
01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:34.479
so it wasn't too early. And that was my thought too.

1539
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:37.600
I was like, well, the sun has been up for

1540
01:35:37.640 --> 01:35:40.680
a little while. It's not like it's just coming up.

1541
01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:42.760
It's been up for a little while, so we should

1542
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.439
be good. Because of course I didn't want to run

1543
01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:47.560
into them, and it was just me and my dog there.

1544
01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:52.239
So we're going down the trail. Ruck said, miss comes

1545
01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:59.800
in visibility, starts dropping. Everything's getting wet, and in case

1546
01:36:00.239 --> 01:36:05.119
you don't know, when it starts raining, your scinn you know,

1547
01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:10.880
deteriorates in the air. Animals can't smell you as far

1548
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.920
as they would when it's not raining. So that's why

1549
01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:19.520
I think this happened, that they couldn't smell us as

1550
01:36:19.560 --> 01:36:22.680
far as they would have, Otherwise they would have probably

1551
01:36:22.760 --> 01:36:26.600
took off. But we're going down this trail, coming up

1552
01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:33.720
over a hill and my dog stops, and I already

1553
01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:40.920
know when he stops, he's smelling something. And I'm looking

1554
01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:44.520
around and I'm thinking bear, that's what I'm saying, because

1555
01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:48.840
they got black bears in there, or a cougar. And

1556
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:53.039
I'm like, there's something around here and he's smelling it.

1557
01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:56.119
I'm looking around, looking underneath. I'm trying to look underneath

1558
01:36:56.159 --> 01:37:02.319
the bushes to see anything. And when I squatted down,

1559
01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:09.920
I heard a snap snap, almost like a like a

1560
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:14.800
loud firecracker, like a loud M sixty firecracker going off.

1561
01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:19.439
But what it was was it was a tree branch

1562
01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:24.960
and only I can't think of it. It was the

1563
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:28.199
two males because they're the only ones that I know

1564
01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:31.600
of that break tree branches. The females they don't break

1565
01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:37.079
tree branches. They just run. This thing would snap in

1566
01:37:37.199 --> 01:37:40.479
one side of the trail and then snap on the

1567
01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:44.960
other side of the trail and right off the back.

1568
01:37:45.039 --> 01:37:50.079
I was like, this is a bigfoot. There's two big

1569
01:37:50.079 --> 01:37:56.119
foots here, because again, cougars don't break branches. Bears don't

1570
01:37:56.119 --> 01:38:01.600
break branches. And I'm like, oh man, they're right in

1571
01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:07.359
front of us. And this guy, my dog, he starts

1572
01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:12.359
he starts whining, like crying, and he's like he's crying

1573
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:15.239
beside me. And I said, yeah, let's get out of here.

1574
01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:20.520
So I turn around. We start walking real quick. I

1575
01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:23.199
don't run, but I start walking as fast as I can.

1576
01:38:23.239 --> 01:38:25.800
And he's right beside me, and he keeps looking behind me,

1577
01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:30.840
and I'm like, are they following us? Are they following us?

1578
01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:33.880
I'm not telling my dog because he keeps looking back.

1579
01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:38.720
I don't want to look back. I'm moving. We're fast

1580
01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:41.359
walking up this trail and down it. And then I

1581
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:46.760
start hearing branches, like I should say, twigs, twigs breaking

1582
01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:55.560
behind us, smack snack smack, smack smack, and I'm like,

1583
01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.279
oh man, these guys are following us. And sure enough,

1584
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:02.039
one was to the right, one was to the left

1585
01:39:02.039 --> 01:39:06.720
of me. And they followed us for I guess, maybe

1586
01:39:06.760 --> 01:39:09.920
two and a half miles down this trail back to

1587
01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:13.359
the parking area where we parked our car. When we

1588
01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:16.239
got about half a mile I guess from the parking

1589
01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:20.119
lot where we parked our car, where it started thinning out,

1590
01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:24.680
there was less trees, less bushes, I should say, they

1591
01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:28.880
weren't as high. When we got to the crest of

1592
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:34.960
this hill. That's when they stopped. They stopped following us,

1593
01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:40.279
and I turned around and all I could see was

1594
01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:51.039
now from my experience at seeing pictures, reading books of

1595
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:55.600
different bigfoots of different areas, there's some bigfoots that have

1596
01:39:55.760 --> 01:40:00.520
like a really cone head, and some I would say

1597
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:04.000
kind of like a human head. It's a little cone

1598
01:40:04.039 --> 01:40:07.760
but not as much. But some really have a cone head.

1599
01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:11.920
These ones had cone heads because I could see the

1600
01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:15.560
top of their head over the bushes. And these are

1601
01:40:15.640 --> 01:40:22.720
seven foot tall bushes. So these things I think we're

1602
01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:25.640
squatting down. They were, you know, trying not to be seen,

1603
01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:30.159
but the top of their hairy heads were sticking above

1604
01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:35.880
the bushes and they were brown, they were brown color,

1605
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:41.840
and I was like, oh, man, they're right there, and

1606
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:43.800
I knew they were watching us. I could feel it.

1607
01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:49.760
I was like, dang, I told him, I said, I'm

1608
01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:53.600
not here to harm you. I said, I'm leaving now,

1609
01:40:55.159 --> 01:40:59.600
because up until that time, I really felt bad, like

1610
01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:04.239
something bad was going to happen. And I was the

1611
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:07.520
whole time going back. I was just hoping that they

1612
01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:10.239
weren't going to do anything. But yeah, I felt a

1613
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:13.119
real bad feeling. I guess you probably know what I'm

1614
01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:15.560
talking about, Like you get a bad feeling like sometimes

1615
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:17.920
you go into a bad house or a bad area,

1616
01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:20.640
you get a bad feeling like, man, something bad is

1617
01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:26.479
about to happen. Well, anyways, so we got back to

1618
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:29.680
the car, took off. I end up coming back the

1619
01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:32.399
next day because I was like, I'm going to leave

1620
01:41:32.439 --> 01:41:36.359
a gift for him, just to let them know that

1621
01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:39.079
I didn't because I was walking that trail like maybe

1622
01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:42.279
twice a month. So I was like, yeah, I'm going

1623
01:41:42.319 --> 01:41:45.000
to be going back down that trail, and I don't

1624
01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:47.560
want to know bad problems with these people because they

1625
01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:54.439
lived there. I'm just visiting. So I went back down

1626
01:41:54.439 --> 01:42:01.680
that trail where that first incident happened, and sure enough,

1627
01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:09.479
there was like five six set of footprints. There was

1628
01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:15.319
two really big ones, two medium ones, and one small

1629
01:42:15.319 --> 01:42:21.159
one like they had a little kid. And the ones

1630
01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:25.159
in Shahla's National Force. Those ones that I ran into,

1631
01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:31.399
those ones were five to ones. They all had five toes.

1632
01:42:32.359 --> 01:42:35.680
I think I told you before, I wasn't around Mount.

1633
01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:40.359
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1648
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1649
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1650
01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:32.159
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1651
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the Bigfoot Society. I'll see you there, and again, thanks

1658
01:43:57.640 --> 01:43:58.159
for listening.

1659
01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:48.960
Her and I could get on here.

1660
01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:51.720
We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out

1661
01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:54.520
there listening it's too afraid to tell their story.

1662
01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:55.800
Maybe this will.

1663
01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:57.600
Give them the courage to come out.

1664
01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:00.439
And now I feel so bad about it. Cares what

1665
01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:01.439
anybody's thinks.

1666
01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:03.840
I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

1667
01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:23.880
That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please

1668
01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:25.239
let them know.

1669
01:45:25.399 --> 01:45:28.119
If you ever see one of these things, you need

1670
01:45:28.239 --> 01:45:31.880
to tell because if you don't, then shame on you,

1671
01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:42.399
you know, shame on you.