Sept. 23, 2024

What Happens When You Get Too Close to Bigfoot: A Conversation with Dr. John Baranchok, Ph.D.

Join us for an exhilarating episode of Bigfoot Society as we talk to Dr. John S. Baranchok, Ph.D., an author and investigator renowned for his work in the field of Sasquatch research. Learn about his gripping experiences, including an intense night in...

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Season 1

Join us for an exhilarating episode of Bigfoot Society as we talk to Dr. John S. Baranchok, Ph.D., an author and investigator renowned for his work in the field of Sasquatch research. Learn about his gripping experiences, including an intense night in Tennessee with multiple Bigfoot sightings and a tree explosion encounter that put him and his fellow researchers in a most interesting situation. Dr. Baranchok also delves into his methods for staying calm during high-intensity Bigfoot encounters and shares the scientific techniques behind his investigative work. Whether you're a seasoned researcher or new to the world of Bigfoot, this episode is packed with fascinating stories and expert advice you won't want to miss!

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All right, Big for Society.

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You've got the privilege of talking to doctor John Barranchok today.

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He's an author, investigator, a member of the Manimal Research Team,

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among many other things. But it's a pleasure to have

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you on the show today, John.

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Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here

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as well. I'm honored.

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Oh well, thank you. Well we're just two guys talking

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about Bigfoot, right, How cool is it?

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Yeah, yeah, it's.

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A good time.

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I've been reading your book for a few days now.

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It's extremely interesting in ways I wasn't expecting. We'll talk

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about that in a little bit.

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Of course.

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I'm referring to your book Grasping Sasquatch Prepping for Scientific

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Field Research, which is another great book from Hanger One Publishing.

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They put out some awesome, awesome books. John, How was

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it that you got involved with this crazy bigfoot field

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to begin with?

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So jeez, before I ever thought of bigfoot, I was

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living in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, and I would go

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up to this little town called Hamus Springs, and it

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has a population of about three hundred and fifty people.

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But in this little town there's a public hot spring,

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like a public at bathhouse for the volcanic cock springs.

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There's a bar, there's a Baptist convention center, and I'm

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not sure what the correct word is if it's monastery

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where the drunk priests go to dry out and deal

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with their addiction. All in this little town. And I

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would head over the mountain there and I would go

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trout fishing, And the very first time I would hike

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a half day in and then half day out fishing

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this stream that was cascading from one deep pool to

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the next, and I'd get to a deep pool and

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I could see the fish in there, and I'd make

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one cast, and no sooner I'd be reeling that cast

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in all of a sudden, from across the stream came

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this big pluche and a stone got thrown into the

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pool that I was fishing, and this happened. You know,

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I fished this same area multiple times because the fish

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were really good there, but every time this happened, getting

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stones thrown in there. There was never anyone else up

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at the trail head, and I never saw anyone else

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while I was on this trail, no human beings, and

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so at first I thought it was just some jerk

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kind of following me around throwing, you know, trying to

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ruin my fishing. And at one point I got frustrated

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enough to yell at it whatever whatever or whoever it was,

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and it stopped for about one pool, and then when

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I moved down to the next pool, the same thing

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started up. So at the time I wasn't thinking Bigfoot

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at all. I had no Bigfoot interest. But about eight

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years ago I decided to get back to doing things

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that I in my life, and one of those was

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trout fishing. So I got on I started searching maps

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to try to find good fishing holes. I live in Rome, Georgia,

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and Blue Ridge, Georgia is like an hour and a

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half two hour drive for me, so I wanted to

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fish the mountains up there around Blue Ridge. So as

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I was looking for a map, I came across this

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map of the United States and it had little yellow

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circles in a lot of the states. And when you

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clicked on the yellow circles, well, the yellow circles had

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a number in them, and when I clicked on the circles,

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it turns out it was the BFRO website, and the

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little circles corresponded to the number of expeditions that BFRO

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was putting on in that state. And so through there

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I met Lorie Wade because she was doing the Georgia

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and Tennessee state BFRO expeditions. She we had about a

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forty five minute conversation to kind of vet me to

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make sure I was serious and get along with the group.

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And so I went on her last expedition of that season,

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and as it turns out, it was an expedition of

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all in BFRO investigators. You know, they've got the hierarchy,

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they've got the your newbie, then you're a researcher. And

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then when they see some seriousness in you, you become

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an investigator. Go from a researcher to an investigator. And

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so from there I just started doing bigfoot expeditions and

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learning all kinds of things about where to look for them,

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how to look for them, you know, things that they did.

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So I just started attending her BFRO expedition in Georgia

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and Tennessee, and in the middle of that, hooked up

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with Charlie Raymond, who does Kentucky BFRORO in Kentucky, Kentucky

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Bigfoot Research Organization and one on a couple of his

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and I've been hooked ever since. And that's kind of

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how I got into it. I'm not sure how see

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Wayne Tothera and I met. I think probably over the internet.

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He was just forming minimal research when we met, and

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so I took him out to a site and we

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had a great time. And then that's also how it

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became involved with minimal research.

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That is, that's pretty cool.

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How many expeditions would you say, roughly in all you've

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been on so far?

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So I did six years straight and then came down

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with the medical condition that took me out. So she

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does like she does, I think four or five a year,

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and then Charlie does about the same. So I've never

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counted the exact number. But at this point I've got

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over three hundred hours of boots on the ground hunting

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for Bigfoot. So that's not including camping or driving up

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to the you know, to the site and getting set up.

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That's actually going out in the woods with a team

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and doing doing the research. So let's see five times

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six is about thirty. I guess around thirty expeditions.

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Wow, that that is. I mean, that's incredible to think of.

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I myself maybe three to four. I'm still relatively a

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new guy in this podcasting, but also I'm starting to

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dip my toes and into some crazy organ stuff this

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last summer, and it just kind of grows on you.

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But was there a time you can remember in those

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three hundred hours where you experience something that pushed you

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way far over to the right.

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Yeah, in hindsight, that experience that I first described in

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New Mexico when I first started learning about Bigfoot and

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hearing that you know, they throw it for rocks and

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stones that kind of made me lean heavily towards believing

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in Bigfoot. And then I had two butt puckering class

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be encounters that left me no doubt and I'd be

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happy to discuss either of.

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Those commenced with the butt puckering.

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Okay, so the first one. Laurie usually has speakers on

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all of her expeditions, people who have some expertise in

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the field, and on one of her expeditions, Scott Carpenter

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May he Rest in Peace came to our expedition and

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started telling his stories and selling some of his books.

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And of course he's into Nephilim. He was the for

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less Stroud's Bigfoot episodes. He was the Bigfoot guide for

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less Stroud's episodes, and so he was talking about these

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things materializing and de materializing in front of his face

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and in front of their faces on that on that show.

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That never made it onto the show, however, that ended

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up on the cutting room floor. But so about a

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month after that, so I bought his books. And if

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you're ever if you're familiar with Nephelim among Us or

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Nephelim among Us, revisit it out in the center of

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the book, he's got some photographic plates because he he

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would put those cameras, I forget what the trendy name

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for him is. He would put these small miniature cameras

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on his backstraps of his backpack, but instead of having

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them face forward, he had them face backwards so that

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he was viewing or recording what was coming out from

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behind him. And then he would in his book he

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would show you the original, you know, the original frame

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from that video. Then he'd clean it up and have

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a second picture of it cleaned up, and then a

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third picture being an artist rendering of what he captured.

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And I was never afraid to go into the woods

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by myself until I grew up in the country. I

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was never afraid, and until I looked at that book,

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and after I looked at those the original photographic plates

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and the touched up ones, I took on a fear

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of going into the woods because there, you know, there's

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some bigfoots there. There's some things in that book, but

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there's some things that look more like a monster than

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a bigfoot. And then there's some alien kind of stuff

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going on there. There's a photograph of an alien type

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et looking like et phone home, kind of alien sitting

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on a guy a bigfoot shoulder, kind of whispering in

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his ear. And when I saw those photographic plates, I

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became really anxious about getting back into the woods. But

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I was still skeptical about this materializing and de materializing

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right in front of it becoming invisible. Basically whatever, however

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you want to explain it being cloaking, be it just

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you know, blending in or believe or if you believe

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in the interdimensional theories, you know, slipping from one dimension

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to another, or through a portal. So about a month

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after that expedition, I decided there that I was going

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to go out on my own, but because it was

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ill advised to go out on your own into the

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woods looking for Bigfoot by yourself, I decided to take

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my dog at the time, which was a pitbull mix.

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And about fifty minutes from my house, there's a place

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called the Pocket State Park and that adjoins property with

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John's Mountain Wildlife Management Area. And so I had earlier

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asked what makes a place look squatchy, and I was told, well,

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you know, we're using ours bait, so you want to

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give them the high ground. So you're looking for a

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campsite that's at the base of a ridge or a

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cliff and has an easy access to a water source.

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So I cruised around the campgrounds in John's Mountain and

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found just a perfect site. Although it was only about

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maybe twenty thirty yards from the paved road, but it

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had ridges coming down on both sides of the camping area,

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so either side they had the high ground, and then

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on one side a creek ran through it and dumped

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into the river across the road. So I got there,

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set up my little mini trailer, and Red and I

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started hiking back along the stream looking for footprints the

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creek that dumps into the river, looking for footprints, and

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we hiked a good ways back. Didn't see a thing,

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and hear a thing. Nothing. So went back to the campsite,

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cooked dinner, and as it was just beginning to become dusk,

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dinner was over and I was just sitting at the

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campfire and read I had him tied on a long rope,

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so he had a lot of lead. But he was

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sitting about ten feet away from me at my three

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o'clock position, and all of a sudden he just sat

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up from the lane position and stuck his nose vertically

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perpendicularly to the air, and he sat like that for

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five minutes, just sniffing and sniffing and sniffing the air.

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And when he finally brought his head down, he broke

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out into all kinds of sparks, aggressive barks and snarls

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and growls, and he was orienting on something directly in

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front of us. He was I don't know if he

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was seeing something or some other way sensing something, but

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his was down and his head was down and he

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was looking directly in front of us, and I couldn't

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see a thing. And so I said, okay, Red, let's

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get the light and let's go check this out. So

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I went and got my red headlamp and I said,

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come on, Red, let's go. And when I called him

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to come with me, he crawled under my trailer. He

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didn't want to move forward at all, so but I

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had to see if there was a big foot on

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the you know, if there was something going on the road,

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because he was on to something. So I let him

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crawl under the trailer. And despite my skepticism of these

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things being able to de materialize, as I walk forward,

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up my hands out straight in front of me in

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case I didn't want to walk my whole body into

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a bigfoot if there was one cloak there. So I

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held my hands out in front of me, and for

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fear that I would run into a bigfoot.

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Big for society who would be right back after these messages.

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Well, I didn't run into any bigfoots. Walked to the street,

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scuped everything out, didn't see a darn thing, not a thing.

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the trailer, and sat down in the chair and read

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was sitting closer to me this time, wasn't sitting five

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minutes and all of a sudden Red got up and

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this time he oriented. It was nine o'clock. He was

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on my nine o'clock side. This time he oriented to

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my right at about between two and three o'clock, and

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he stuck his nose up for about five seconds, and

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when he brought his nose back down, he again he

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started growling and snarling and you know, baring his teeth,

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looking really really aggressive. And a bush about ninety feet

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from me started rattling and shaking. And as he's continuing

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to growl and snarl and bark at whatever was behind

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that bush, above his growl. I hear this, that's when

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my butt pucked. At that point, I got up and

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went to my glove compartment because the growling was still

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going on and my dog was still going wild, and

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I carried a smith and Western forty five MP in

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my glove compartment, and for the first and only time

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when I've been out looking for bigfoot, I got it

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out of the holster and I chambered around, and the

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second I heard that, you could hear the sound of

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the round being chamber. Everything got quiet, just a complete

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still of my dog what I think was a bigfoot growl,

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because I never saw the creature, but in that area

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they had bears and big cats, and I've heard both

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of them growl, and I know it wasn't one of those,

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so I counted that as a Class B bigfoot sighting

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for myself, and that out for about another fifteen minutes,

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and it was kind of unnerving at that point, so

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we just we went into the trailer, and I had

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a hard time getting to sleep at night for fear

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of something coming up to my trailer and slapping my

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trailer or whatever the case may be. So that was

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quite a harrowing experience, to say the least. In fact,

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I just took somebody back there just about a month

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and a half ago and we measured it off where

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that bush was from where I was sitting, and it

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was ninety feet from where I was sitting, And that

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night we went The gentleman David Zigan was the guy

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who I went out with. He has a new podcast

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out called Bigfoot Forensics, and he's a certified print print

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examiner or Layton Prints footprints, handprints, and so we walked

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further back and we didn't hear a thing all night.

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I did a big old roar, which is something I

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rarely do. And when he checked the video or the

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audio recordings we got, he was he tried a tree knock.

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he just let the recorder continue to record, and when

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he analyzed the recordings, I think we had three or

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four other tree knocks or you know, in the early

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morning after we had gone. So it's a it's a

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spot I'm going to continue to go back to because

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clearly there's there's some in the area there.

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Oh, I mean that would be enough for me to

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continue going to.

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Yeah, sure, so, and you know, you have people talk

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about that visceral kind of response, the response in your body,

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but I mean it was a visceral experience when I

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heard that grow and saw a fit to get up

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and get my pistol out because that was I carried

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that more for crazy humans than I did bigfoots. So

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so that's one of them.

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One thing I really like about your book that I've

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never seen any other Bigfoot related thing go into, which

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I think is very smart you went into it too,

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is you spent a lot of time pretty much teaching

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people how they can just chill out and not freak

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out in these high intensity Bigfoot related situations that you

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can get into when you're out.

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There in the woods or.

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You know, on an exhibition sometimes things can get really intense.

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And I really appreciated that that's something that you know,

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that alone is you know, worth whatever you end up

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paying for the book and you can read that multiple times.

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Do you have a certain one that you end up

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using more than the others or that you like?

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Well, so for me, I've been doing that stuff most

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of my life as a psychologist because my specialty was

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neuropsychology people that were in motor vehicle accidents or suffered

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a brain injury, and it's not uncommon for those folks

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to suffer from PTSD. And then my last job was

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with the VA Clinic Veterans and instration clinic in my

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community here, and of course lots of PTSD going on there,

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and so I start, I mean, I started training eighty

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year olds on how to do some deep breathing and

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some relaxation. And then the one that I think is

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most effective is called stress inoculation. It used to be

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called systematics desensitization during the during the old days as

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it were, but now it's been relabeled stress inoculation. And

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in stress inoculation, you first teach yourself to relax. And

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by the way, I've got the in the appendices of

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my book, I've got scripts that you can read out

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loud into a CD recorder or whatever kind of recorder.

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They're relaxation inductions and they're also the induction for uh,

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stress inoculation. So in stress inoculation, the first thing you

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do is you learn to relax, get comfortably and deeply relaxed.

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While you're practicing the relaxation at least three times a week,

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preferably daily, but a minimum of three times a week

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if you don't want it to take it take a

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year for you learn to relax, because it's not just

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drinking a beer or listening to some music. There are

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specific kind of scripts or inductions to three types of relaxation,

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deep breathing, progressive relaxation, and autogenic relaxation. And I like

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the autogenic relaxation where I'm basically just repeating a relaxing

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phrase over and over and over again. Now I'm relaxing

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my right arm, feeling more calm and feeling more peace.

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And you say that four to eight times on your

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right arm, or until your right arm becomes relaxed, then

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four to eight times for your left arm, then four

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to eight times for your right leg, then four to

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eight times for your left leg, then one to three

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times for both arms at the same time, and one

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to three times for both legs at the same time.

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And when you first start, that takes about twenty five minutes,

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but as you practice, you can get it down to

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ten minutes to go through that exercise and get deeply relaxed.

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So while you're practicing mastering relaxation, you create something called

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a desensitization hierarchy. And basically you just start brainstorming either

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every big foot encounter you've had and every big foot

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encounter you might imagine yourself having, and you rate that

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on a scale of intensity by how much it causes

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you anxiety, the low end being ones, end being ten

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being so high you would be in the throes of

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a panic attack, basically. And so you make that long

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list of all these encounters or potential encounters, and you

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rate them from one to ten. And there are ties,

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because there's several ones and several twoes and several threes.

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So you split those hairs so that you start with

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the least intense encounter and then gradually work yourself up

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to the ladder to the most intense encounter. And so

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you get into that deeply relaxed state. You begin to

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run an imaginary movie, be it mental or auditory, or

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whatever sensation you experience these things in and if as

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you're running, I'm going to refer to it as a

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mental movie. As you're running this mental movie, as soon

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as you begin to feel yourself tense up or your

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deep state or relaxation begin to deteriorate, you stop the movie. There,

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get movie out of your mind's eye or your imagination,

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and you go through your relaxation exercise again until you're

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as relaxed as you were before you had that before

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the imaginary or actual encounter bit made you tense up.

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Once you get that deeply relaxed again, you pick up

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where you left off or you stopped that mental movie,

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and you run that mental movie forward again, either until

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it disturbs your relaxation again, in which case, throughout the movie,

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relax back down, pick up where you left off the

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second time, and you keep doing that until you can

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run that entire mental movie through completely without it affecting

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your relaxation at all. And when you can stay relaxed

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and do that three times consecutively, then you go up

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to the next one, or you know, and the next one,

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and then maybe up into the first two and the

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next two and the next two, and you gradually just

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are retraining yourself to remain calm and relaxation. Is it

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opens the door to our autonomic nervous system. Our autonomic

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nervous system is what causes our fight flight response, and

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it's got an on switch, which is the excitatory switch,

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and we can all relate to somebody jumping out from

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behind a bush and startling us just to be funny.

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All that, all that stuff that happens when the on

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switch is thrown. Shallow breathing, your pupils dilate, The blood

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begins to flow away from your hands and legs, because

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when you're running, that motion helps circulate your blood through

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the through the body. Or you're fighting again, your movement

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helps circulate that blood through your body. And you know,

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you hold on to your urine, you hold onto your bowels.

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Your heart's rate increases and starts beating real fast. And

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that's the on switch, when you finally realize that somebody's

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just messing with you. Oh, I can't believe you did

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that too. Your breathing come becomes more deep and regular,

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your heart rate slows down. The blood that was flowing

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away from your hands and legs to protect your vital

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organs now flows back into your hands and legs, and

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that's what happens, and you restore yourself to a state

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of peace or calm. And that's what happens when the

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off switch gets thrown. And so you work through that

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hierarchy as high as you can get up into the

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nines and tens, where you know For me, I was

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imagining having a face to face encounter with a bigfoot.

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And after you get good at that, though, you don't

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want to be completely relaxed and limp and loose when

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you're having a bigfoot encounter. So the next step is

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something I call modulating your arousal or modulating your reactions

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to the bigfoot. And in that one you get relaxed. Again,

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do your relaxation exercise, but just imagine that scene playing

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out and in your imagination, do what you feel you

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need to do. Hide behind a rock, back off, whatever

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the case may be. If you want to move forward,

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you can program your fight flight to stay calm enough

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to move forward and investigate further, and you you program

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that into your nervous system, and then you're set to

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go basically and and again the scripts to do all

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this stuff or in the dependencies of my.

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Book big for Society, who will be right back after

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these messages.

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It's it's absolutely fascinating.

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I mean, my background is not psychology at also to me,

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it was all brand news stuff. I think everyone should

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check it out. I'm going to have the link in

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the show notes and everyone listening check it out for sure.

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Well, basically, basically, this is what we used to treat

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our war veterans who have PTSD, the strike it stress

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inoculation process and relaxation process. That's what That's what I

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used my entire career to treat PTSD.

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Okay, you stated you had about three hundred hours in

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the field. So having that much time in the field,

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I'm sure you came to a realization or you made

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some decision in your mind, like what bigfoot is that

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I'm trying to go find.

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No, I haven't.

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You haven't, Okay, I haven't.

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So so you know the title of my book is

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Grasping Sasquatch Prepping for scientific field research, and so I

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try and approach it with an open mind until we

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get some really hardcore experimental science. Right now, doctor Meldrum

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is the only one doing hardcore experimental science within his research.

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00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:58.079
Everybody else is doing something called empirical observation science, just looking,

460
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.160
trying to get a photo, trying to get some recordings,

461
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:05.160
that kind of stuff. So until until we get enough

462
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:12.119
research down to get a better handle on the origins

463
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.720
of bigfoot, I try and keep my mind wide open.

464
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.400
And that's why I neither believe or disbelieve in kind

465
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.559
of woo phenomena. I think that's in addition to the

466
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.599
flesh and blood experiments we need to do. I think

467
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:31.200
we need to try and scientifically investigate woo phenomena as well,

468
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:35.240
because you know, right now we probably have more hard

469
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:40.759
science through doctor Meldrum, experimental science through doctor Meldrum than

470
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.759
anything else. But we've there are a lot of people

471
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:48.240
who experience WU, and that's frequently in the community I

472
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.960
think frowned upon. But I don't see any reason why

473
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:57.079
those reports shouldn't be taken any less seriously than a

474
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:02.359
flesh and blood encounter. And so, you know, until there's

475
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:08.719
more experimental data in I don't have any theories of origin.

476
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:10.800
I think one of the things we do in the

477
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:16.400
Bigfoot community and the scientific method, observation is the first step,

478
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.800
and then you form a hypothesis based on that observation,

479
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:28.840
and in experimental science, an experimental sasquatch research, you develop

480
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:34.480
an experiment to test that hypothesis, you reduce those result

481
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:39.199
results down in numbers, and then you do a statistical

482
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.519
analysis to give you the answer. And that's all that's

483
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.800
in book two. Book one is about and they're on

484
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:49.480
it's all one book, but I divided into two books,

485
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.039
and book one is general stuff on Bigfoot, and then

486
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:56.159
how to reprogram your fight flight response. In book two

487
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.880
it's how to set up experiments, and I teach some

488
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:05.719
statistics in book two so that people can appreciate, you know,

489
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.039
how to begin to learn how to do the analysis

490
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.599
until we get some hard experimental data on what they are.

491
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:16.519
I'm open to all possibilities.

492
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:18.360
Yeah, I'm right there with you.

493
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:18.559
You know.

494
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:24.239
The way I look at it is even flesh and

495
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.639
blood creatures can do some weird stuff. And if you

496
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:31.280
look through the history of animals that have been discovered, Man,

497
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.039
have we discovered some weird, weird animals doing some weird

498
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:38.599
weird things. So yeah, I don't think anything's out out

499
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:40.800
of the question. And if you were to see my

500
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.480
email box, the ones, it's a lot of I wish

501
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.079
there was another term and not WU just because of

502
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.239
the connotation it has now, but it's a lot of it,

503
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:52.320
which I love.

504
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.840
But it's interesting. It's interesting to me how many of

505
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:01.440
the OG researchers, as they've gotten old or kind of

506
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:07.679
seem to migrate towards the paranormal or interdimensional or whatever

507
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.239
you want to call it other than WU. You know

508
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:19.880
Ron moorehead with his Quantum Bigfoot books and jeez Tom Cantrell.

509
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:25.000
Tom Contrell was the first to introduce the normal curve,

510
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:30.039
which is a statistical thing, to the Bigfoot community, and

511
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:37.840
now he interacts with them telepathically. And so it seems

512
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:41.039
like as people get older they kind of begin to

513
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:46.199
open themselves up to that possibility and have those experiences.

514
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:47.280
I'm sure.

515
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.119
We can try to go down this road. I'm sure

516
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.159
with your background, do you have any interesting or any

517
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:59.800
thoughts about the theory of mind speak or telepathy within

518
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:00.679
the Bigfoot world?

519
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:08.000
No, none at all. Yeah. In fact, although this experiment

520
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.039
isn't in the book, I give examples of experiments that

521
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:16.079
could be run on tree knocks and stone clacks and

522
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.239
a way to look at in the laboratory to a

523
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:24.679
way to study whether it's the infrasound giving us zapping

524
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:30.599
or are we freaking ourself out causing us to create

525
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:35.199
our own zapping experience. But one experiment that's not in

526
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:39.880
the book revolves around mind speak. And in this mind

527
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.519
speak experiment, of course, would first have to obtain a

528
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:48.800
telepath and I don't know if you saw the movie

529
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:52.079
Men Who Speak with Goats or I think that's the title,

530
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:53.599
Men who Speak with Goats or.

531
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.639
I have, and I'm familiar a little bit with the

532
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:57.599
premise of it though.

533
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:03.079
Okay, so outside Washington, there's still a brick and mortar

534
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:07.960
building where people can go learn to enhance their telepathic

535
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:13.760
abilities and psychokinetic abilities. A lot of people do remote

536
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:18.920
viewing involved with bigfoot now to locate where the bigfoots

537
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:25.119
might be and so get a well trained, well validated

538
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:36.880
telepath Go to a gifting area and telepathically ask the

539
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:42.440
bigfoot to bring you a pine cone. Go back the

540
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:47.239
next day, see if a pine cone is returned.

541
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:49.320
Okay, leave a.

542
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.360
Gift if it's returned, or leave a gift if it's not.

543
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:58.159
If something else is returned, then in the next stage

544
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.119
you ask them to bring you some more difficult to

545
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.639
obtain in the forest, like bring me a deer head skull.

546
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:09.199
They're not going to be laying all over the forest

547
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.440
floor like a pine cone is. And you see if

548
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.960
if the bigfoot received that message message, and the proof

549
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:21.039
of the message is whether they bring back The proof

550
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:24.320
of that telepathic message is if they bring back a

551
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:32.239
deer head skull. Okay. Then the third stage and you're

552
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:35.360
recording hits or missus hit being they brought back what

553
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.440
you asked them to, miss being they brought something else

554
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.960
back or didn't bring anything back. The third stage is

555
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.840
to have them bring something that they could have access

556
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:52.400
from in the camping areas, like a blanket or a

557
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.880
child's doll, something that doesn't occur naturally in the wide

558
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:02.199
open woods, but because camping areas is likely to be

559
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:07.719
present around the camping area. And so telepathically ask the

560
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.440
bigfoot to bring you back a blanket or bring you

561
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:17.400
back a child's toy. And then the final step, and

562
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:22.000
I haven't worked out exactly what item to request, because

563
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:26.360
here we really get into human subject ethics. The last

564
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:30.519
stage is to have them bring something back that they

565
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:35.880
wouldn't find in the forest or a campground. I've met

566
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.880
many people who say they the bigfoots followed them fifty

567
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:46.079
miles back from their gifting station and showed up at home. Okay,

568
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.320
And so have them bring something back from a person's property,

569
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:56.519
a bird bath or a razor, and that that would

570
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:01.119
be at camping. You know, something that you're not going

571
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.199
to find in a camping area. Or in the woods,

572
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.320
a telephone book. If you even make those these days,

573
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.400
I'm not sure. And the ethics there, of course, is

574
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:17.719
you're asking them to invade somebody's property and home right

575
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.760
now to get that. But see if they bring that back,

576
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.599
and if they can, if you get hits on all

577
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:33.280
four sequences, on all four targets, to me, that's a

578
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:40.320
good indication that telepathic communication was passing between the bigfoot

579
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.440
and the telepath making the request. And so again the

580
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:49.119
hits and the missus would be analyzed statistically and you

581
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:53.440
could tell whether there's a significant difference between their accuracy

582
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.559
for the pine cone, the deer skull, the baby doll,

583
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:02.639
and then the phone booklet say, And to me, you know,

584
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:06.039
if that if that experiment works out and you get

585
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:10.360
hits on that, and then that experiment could be replicated

586
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.480
in other areas, other areas not only within your region,

587
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:19.119
but other parts of the Nate country. I think that

588
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:23.039
would be you'd have some hard numbers to prove that

589
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.480
there's telepathic communication.

590
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:30.440
Going on, right That's that's extremely interesting. There's I don't

591
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:32.440
know if I would call this a test, but maybe

592
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.880
I would. It's come up in a few recent interviews

593
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:41.800
where the witness will say, it'll be a verbal, out

594
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.920
loud communication and it'll be something to the effect of

595
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.400
if you're here, can you do something? And a lot

596
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.119
of times the witness will say and immediately after there

597
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.599
was a tree push down. Have you ever heard of

598
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.239
of anything of that or you think that's a valid test?

599
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:04.760
I think I think if you keep track of the

600
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.440
time you do that, the time you get the tree

601
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.519
pushed down, push over, and you do that in a

602
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:20.159
variety of situations, I think I'm not well. I guess

603
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.440
this is a critique of BFR. But where I felt

604
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:28.360
like BFR fell short was we would we had walkie talkies,

605
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:32.920
we coordinate with each other across different locations. When we

606
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:35.519
were about to do a roar or a tree knock,

607
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:39.599
we'd let everybody else who was dispersed out throughout the area,

608
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:41.880
let you know we're going to do it at this

609
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:48.800
at this time, and we do it, and then you

610
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.880
know everybody hears it. We mark the time that we

611
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.119
do it, and then if there's a response, you mark

612
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:59.039
the time that you get that response. But unfortunately, I

613
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.400
think what happens, you know, when you go out on

614
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:05.679
a bfro expedition. Everybody one person is assigned as a

615
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.599
record keeper and keeps track of all those times and

616
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:13.519
experiences and what happened when and that we communicated this,

617
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.880
that and the other, and then the following morning we

618
00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:22.280
do a debriefing. So we make sure that so we

619
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:26.440
make sure that you know, the tree pushover that we

620
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:31.199
heard wasn't at the same time that somebody heard what

621
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.639
they thought were gunshots, but in fact we're tree pushovers.

622
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:40.280
This actually happened on an expedition, and so that's all good.

623
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.119
But for the most part, it appears that those notebooks

624
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.840
they can't kind of get cast to the side, and

625
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:54.000
you know, the flats. The BFRO database is more of

626
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:58.639
a narrative form than it is translated into numeric data,

627
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:01.400
and so so that all that would have to be

628
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:05.960
translated into numeric data to do this kind of analysis,

629
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.000
and that's a monumental task to do given how many

630
00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:11.000
sightings they've got.

631
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.679
Oh it's it would you'd have to have people work

632
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:14.719
on that every day.

633
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.679
Yeah, it would be insane.

634
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.760
You'd mentioned Scott Carpenter a while back, and what you

635
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.800
were talking about kind of made me think of something.

636
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.239
Is some of I get a lot of witness reports,

637
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:26.519
just a lot of them.

638
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:27.519
I love them.

639
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:34.000
I feel that there's a high likelihood that sometimes or

640
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.800
some of these witnesses could be dealing with something that

641
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:38.199
is not actually Bigfoot.

642
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:43.840
And do you think that is a real possibility.

643
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.800
That when someone is going to look for bigfoot, they

644
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:52.119
could end up finding something entirely not bigfoot? Is that

645
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:53.760
of the question, do you think?

646
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.719
Or No? No, Number one, we're kind of being a

647
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.360
Bigfoot researchers are kind kind of being put, whether we

648
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.840
like it or not, pushed into the dog man realm

649
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:10.119
because because they share common territories.

650
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.920
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

651
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:33.400
And so, you know, kind of I think it can

652
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:38.960
be tough to distinguish between dog man's sounds and bigfoot sounds,

653
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:45.000
since bigfoots can reportedly imitate virtually anything, including key fobbs,

654
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:48.920
the sound of a tin can, whatever the case may be,

655
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:54.599
not to mention nature's creatures. And so I think the

656
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:59.559
two big rule outs right now are dog man and

657
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:04.760
human intervention, because there are jerks out there that will

658
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:10.920
go out and intentionally mimic Bigfoot, you know, try and

659
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:15.920
set people up. And so, you know, I think those

660
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:18.239
are the two things that we really got to pay

661
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:23.480
attention to, and when we investigate further, try to rule

662
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:27.239
those out our end before we assign it to bigfoot.

663
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.840
Those would be the two major ones. And of course

664
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.360
you know our own minds. In the first part of

665
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:38.559
my book, I talk about a variety of paradolia, you know,

666
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:44.360
and it's become very popular to snap a snap a

667
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:49.239
shot you didn't see bigfoot, but nonetheless you snapped a

668
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.119
shot of a woodline, and then when you look in

669
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:59.079
that woodline, loan behold, you find bigfoot. And there's auditory paradolia,

670
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:04.760
whereby there can be two sources of sounds. There could

671
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.920
be just two bigfoots on either side of you, and

672
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.320
it could make the sound of being surrounded by bigfoots.

673
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:17.159
It would sound like there are ten or twelve around you.

674
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:22.320
And that's called the Glissando effect. And so you got

675
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:27.159
to count for paradolia. You gotta account for illusions, You

676
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.360
got to you gotta count for bigfoot on the brain.

677
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:33.880
This this this place where we I was this past

678
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:37.880
weekend at Sea Wayne Tutherow's squatch out up in Tennessee.

679
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.880
Believe it or not, the camping area is called sasquatch farms,

680
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.880
but there's never Yeah, but there's never been any sasquatch

681
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.599
sightings on the farm. So we weren't we weren't all

682
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:55.320
that optimistic. But we went down to a location myself

683
00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:00.719
and two other folks, David Zigan and Dan Davis. And

684
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:03.719
right now, because of my medical condition, I've got a

685
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:09.320
service dog. He's a half Anatolian Shepherd and half bull mastiff,

686
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.440
and so I take him with me wherever I go.

687
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.199
We found poop under leaves that we would have missed

688
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.280
had he not sniffed it out. And he's a good

689
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.840
early alert system. You know, when he's here something rustling

690
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:28.639
in the woods, he's gonna perk up at least and

691
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:32.639
if if it's you know, if it's significant enough, he'll

692
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:38.119
start barking and start moving in that direction. And so

693
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.920
this was the second time David and I went out together.

694
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.840
And one of the things he said, I think is

695
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:50.400
very telling. He said, before he's got into the bigfoot thing,

696
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:54.559
he could just go into the woods and kind of

697
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:59.400
passively just take mother nature in. But once you're on

698
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:03.480
a big foot it expedition, you can relax all your want,

699
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:08.079
but you're you're trying to tune in to the slightest

700
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:12.159
little changes in your environment, be it the change in

701
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:16.800
the animal sounds, that the leaves rustling, things of that nature,

702
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.079
and all of a sudden, we're not just we're not

703
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:26.440
just being there leaving ourselves open to whatever comes our way.

704
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:33.199
Now we're filtering. We're filtering our perception through a bigfoot screen.

705
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:40.519
You know, could could that what we just heard, what saw, perceived, felt,

706
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:47.039
Could that be a bigfoot? And so you literally you

707
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:51.400
add that perceptual screen to it, and you're you're more

708
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:57.320
intent and intense in your focus of hearing things. And

709
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:01.519
so as a result, you know, there's something called a

710
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:07.760
false anytime you do a test, there's a true true positive,

711
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:13.320
which means you've heard a bigfoot. There's also a false positive,

712
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:17.119
which is a sound you think was a bigfoot but

713
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.519
really wasn't. Same with photos and images, you see what

714
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.119
you think was a bigfoot, but when you investigate its closer,

715
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:32.199
it was just a burnt stump that looked like a

716
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:36.559
bigfoot from a distance. And that's a false positive. And

717
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.840
with us using bigfoot as a filter through which we

718
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:48.440
filter our perception, our chances for false positives increase our

719
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:53.639
chances of picking up on something identify and misidentifying it

720
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:58.280
as a bigfoot goes through the roof. And that's one

721
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.519
of the reasons why I think we need to shift

722
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:08.519
from observational science empirical observational science to empirical experimental science,

723
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:13.119
because in observational science, I'm sure you've cruised the sites,

724
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:18.519
it all comes down to opinions and debates and who's

725
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:22.119
got the biggest that this or the other. And the

726
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:28.920
thing about experimental science is it takes that human opinion

727
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.719
out of it because your numbers tell you whether there's

728
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.039
something significant going on or not, and then there's still

729
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.119
the human brain kicks in there and interpreting that data.

730
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:44.840
But the numbers are the ones pointing in the direction

731
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.000
rather than the force of somebody's personality or their history

732
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.719
or experience, or their credibility or whatever the case may be.

733
00:52:55.039 --> 00:53:02.199
Fascinating, man, listeners, if you have been digging this, this conversation,

734
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.159
how it's really gotten pretty deep, then you need to

735
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:09.639
check out doctor John's book, because it's just this is

736
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.480
just the surface, and it's just such it's such a

737
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:15.400
good read. I really really enjoyed it. I'm definitely gonna

738
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:18.360
be reading it a few more times, but I just wanna.

739
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:20.360
I just want to thank you for being on the

740
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.960
show tonight. It's been a a fun, fun chat.

741
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.639
Oh we're done already. I thought we were going to eleven?

742
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:32.280
Okay, But how can people?

743
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:34.760
Is there a way people can or I guess I

744
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:38.119
should say, do you have an online presence or how

745
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.480
people can keep up to date with what you're doing,

746
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:45.199
or just prefer to communicate mainly through your books?

747
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:50.639
Now I've got a Facebook. So when I was writing

748
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:55.159
my original manuscript, the original title of the book was

749
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:02.000
Bigfoot Prep, Preparing yourself for Bigfoot field Research. And I

750
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:06.360
set up a little page where I dropped excerpts of

751
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:11.440
my book that people could read while the book was

752
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.719
being formatted and published. So if you want to get

753
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.920
a read of what I've written, you can just search

754
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.199
Bigfoot Prep and that'll take you to my page where

755
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.320
and it's got a picture of the Patterson Gamelin film

756
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:32.920
still of Patty turning her head and walking, and there

757
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:36.559
you can find excerpts from my book. I've also just

758
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:41.119
got my personal page, John BARRANCHOK. And that's just it's

759
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:44.400
not a site per se, you know, it's not monetized.

760
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.639
It's just my personal page, and I go off on

761
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.440
rants and raves and things of that nature depending on

762
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:57.719
what else I'm seeing on the web at any given time.

763
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.880
My posts there tend to be pretty long because I'm

764
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:04.320
pretty long winded, as you can tell by my book.

765
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.760
But so those are the main way if you want

766
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.280
to get a hold of me is just go to

767
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:14.639
John Baranchok on Facebook and it's not uncommon for me

768
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:19.320
to have people private message me and we talk for

769
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:22.239
three four hours at a time, you know, And if

770
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:26.719
anyone wants to learn more about how to do experimental

771
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:32.000
sasquatch research rather than observational research, that's what really gets

772
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:36.800
my gears going because it's such that my mobility is

773
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:41.000
decreased because of my illness and so I can't get

774
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.239
out into the woods like I need to to run

775
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.719
some of the experiments that I would like to. So

776
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.880
I'm looking. I'm always looking for people who are interested

777
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:56.239
in doing some scientific research and coordinating that with me.

778
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:58.679
And you know, the way to get a home met

779
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.599
for that kind of thing is at my face John

780
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:07.519
Branchot Facebook page and then just at request of friendship,

781
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.559
and then we can PM together, or we can interact

782
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:14.119
over Facebook or whatever the case may be. I said

783
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:18.320
my other butt puckering story for last. So this was

784
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:22.960
up in Tennessee. I've signed a non disclosure statement, so

785
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:26.800
I can't give you the exact location. In Tennessee, BFRO

786
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:31.880
requires you to sign non disclosures. But in this area,

787
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:39.079
this was during the Civil War, and back then they

788
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:43.599
didn't call it the draft. They called it consignment. You

789
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:48.840
got consigned to the military, and this gentleman didn't. He

790
00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:52.280
wanted to avoid consignment. He couldn't make it to Canada

791
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:54.960
like a lot of folks did in the Draft when

792
00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:01.079
I was a kid. But he built this cabin midway

793
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:05.480
up a mountain, deep deep into the woods. We had

794
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:10.400
afford three streams to get to solid land to hike

795
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.639
up to this cabin. And it's a very primitive cabin.

796
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:19.400
One room, fireplace with a table and some chairs. Other

797
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:23.639
room bunk house, bunk room, if you will, and then

798
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:28.320
an outhouse. And it's still standing. And I just learned

799
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:32.920
that they put a stop on renting it for two

800
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:36.960
years because they're doing some work. But at the time

801
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.280
that I went, you could rent this cabin for thirty

802
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:42.800
five bucks a night which was incredible but not easy

803
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:48.039
to access. So sixteen of us went up to the cabin,

804
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:53.079
four groups of four, and one group was supposed to

805
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.800
go up this deer trail and go to the right,

806
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:58.559
another group go up to the deer trail, go to

807
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:05.400
the left, group went down lower and around the base

808
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:09.079
of the mountain, and then one group stayed at the cabin.

809
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:14.599
And so I was we were supposed to go to

810
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:18.239
the right, but we went to the left. And it

811
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:21.360
was one of these situations where it had rained the

812
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:26.159
night before, but all you could hear was water draining

813
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:31.480
off the mountain and the wheat the leaves blowing in

814
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:36.239
the wind. There wasn't any animal sounds whatsoever. And I

815
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.159
asked a more experienced investigator, you know, is this the

816
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.239
silence everybody talks about. You know, you hear that when

817
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:44.559
there's a big foot in the area, the forest will

818
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:49.239
shut down and be absolutely silent. And George Rickley said, well,

819
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:53.880
you know, usually when that's the case, your spidy senses tingle.

820
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:58.280
You get this sense that you're being watched, And so

821
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:03.440
I said, okay, So we started walking a gradual incline up.

822
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:07.280
We walked for about two hours trying to connect with

823
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:09.800
our walkie talkies to the group that was supposed to

824
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:12.719
be coming around the other side. I don't know where

825
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:16.719
they went, but as we were walking up that we

826
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:22.639
didn't encounter any animal life whatsoever. No turkey, no hogs,

827
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:26.199
no tree frogs. It should have been tree frogs out

828
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:31.360
after a rain. No chipmunks, squirrels wrestling. We finally got

829
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.920
a hold of the other group and long behold. They

830
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:39.599
saw deer, They spooked some turkey off the road, and

831
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:44.920
then some turkey roosting. They saw sign of boar rooting

832
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.360
in the fire road. They had all kinds of wildlife,

833
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:51.800
and by that time we realized we were never going

834
00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:54.440
to connect with each other because we weren't on the

835
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:59.639
same path. So we started walking down back to the

836
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:03.599
deer trail that we had to take from the cabin

837
01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:06.599
up to the fire road, and we were about two

838
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:10.119
three hundred yards from that deer trail. And the guys

839
01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:13.039
that I was with, they always liked when I would

840
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:17.320
we talk about hypnosis, because a hypnosis self hypnosis is

841
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:19.840
another thing that I teach in my book, and it's

842
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:23.920
another way to reprogram your fight flight response and set

843
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:28.679
appropriate levels of arousal. And so I was talking about

844
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:32.360
something with hypnosis, and I was second in line, and

845
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:37.039
George Wrigley stopped on his heel and pivoted and walked

846
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:41.320
four feet towards me and said, g all I got

847
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:46.199
out was the jay in my name. And an explosion

848
01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.360
went off over our head. A tree pushover is what

849
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.000
I now believe it to be. But it was like

850
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:58.079
a bomb going off over our head. But right after

851
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:02.239
the tree explosion, it sounded like a lion's slide was

852
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:06.880
coming down towards us, like logs and rocks were coming

853
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:10.000
down the steeper slope, and you could hear him. You

854
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.679
could hear him become airborne and go silent and then

855
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:16.800
hit the ground again, and you could hear that going.

856
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.480
And so George and I like cockroaches. When a light

857
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:25.079
gets turned turned on, we scurried to one side. Mark

858
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:29.000
Olgilbee was bringing up the rear. He scurried to the

859
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.320
other side. And the guy in the middle, the third guy,

860
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:35.760
his name was Dan Kegley, and he had the flight.

861
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.880
He had the fight response.

862
01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:40.880
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

863
01:01:57.119 --> 01:02:00.039
He pivoted on his heel and had his hand and

864
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:05.239
on his kebar knife, facing uphill, ready to go with

865
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:10.280
whatever was coming down on us. So we investigated. We

866
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.840
kept looking up at the hill. No stones or rocks

867
01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:18.000
or logs hit the fire road, but a dust of loam.

868
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.239
And I don't know if you know what loam smells like.

869
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:24.400
It's that real fertile, musky kind of soil that we

870
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:27.760
use in our gardens and things of that nature. You

871
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:31.599
could see the fine particles of loam trickling down in

872
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:34.800
the air, and it was all around us on both

873
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:39.280
sides of us. We couldn't find squat, So we started

874
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:44.039
walking down towards the deer trail. And as we're walking

875
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.159
down towards the deer trail that from the cabin the

876
01:02:47.199 --> 01:02:50.440
group radioed up to us and said, are you guys

877
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:53.480
walking down the deer trail or the fire road? Now

878
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.239
we're on the fire road ten four. So we get

879
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:00.800
to the deer trail, we start walking down the deer trail,

880
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:03.760
and about halfway down the deer trail, they radio us

881
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:07.360
up to us again, are you walking down the fire

882
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.079
road or down the deer trail? We're on the deer

883
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:13.119
trail now, for goodness sake, why do you keep asking

884
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.239
us this well, when you were on the fire road,

885
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.599
about thirty yards behind you, we saw some red eye

886
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:24.800
shine following you. And now that eye shine is above

887
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:28.960
you on the deer trail. So we pivoted around and

888
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:31.920
everybody you know, shining their lights. We didn't see a thing.

889
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.400
We got down to the cabin and all sixteen of

890
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:40.000
us reunited at the cabin, resting before we had it

891
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:42.960
do our descent, and all of a sudden, somebody planning

892
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:46.400
in the wood that says, look at that, and you'd

893
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:50.199
look into the you'd look into the woods that was

894
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:53.039
on the other side of that deer trail, and you

895
01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.679
saw a red light pop out from behind a tree,

896
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.760
go back, pop out the other side. But these were

897
01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.679
only These were anything from two feet up to about

898
01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:09.159
four feet up in height on the tree, and all

899
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:14.119
of a sudden, the whole not the entire forest, but

900
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:19.519
probably one hundred yard swath of the forest. You could

901
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:24.119
see multiple peepers going going on, all at the same time.

902
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:29.159
And we sat there for twenty minutes and watched these

903
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:33.920
things peep at us until it finally stopped and the

904
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:38.360
tree being pushed over. Was the butt puckering experience, but

905
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:41.679
this was more of just a fascinating experience seeing all

906
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:44.039
these You know, it wasn't just one or two, It

907
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:50.360
was twenty five to thirty peepers from behind trees. Eventually

908
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:53.840
they stopped. We got back down to camp where the

909
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:58.639
tree pusher over happened. We took two sticks and stuck

910
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.559
them vertically up in the und to mark that spot,

911
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:03.960
because us old men thought we were going to go

912
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:06.880
up there the next day and look closer. We were

913
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:10.760
also sore. None of us made it. But a young

914
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.119
man just out of the military, I think his name

915
01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:16.440
is Jonathan Mixon, when he heard the story, he went

916
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:20.280
up there and he comes running back to camp. He says,

917
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:23.440
I found a footprint. I need a casting I need

918
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:27.920
I need a casting kit. And he got a gentleman

919
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:32.199
by the name of Tom Bruns, who is a pediatric

920
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:36.199
physician in Chattanooga and also a big, big footer. And

921
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:40.360
they went up and they cast at this footprint. And

922
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:44.880
as they were waiting for the brick the hydrocal to solidify,

923
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:49.760
they just started looking around some more. And what they

924
01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:54.320
did that we didn't do the night before. They looked

925
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:57.679
on the down side of the fire road, our noise

926
01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:59.960
in the dust came from above us, so all we

927
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.360
did was look above us. But they had some time

928
01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:05.920
to kill, so they started me entering around and when

929
01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:10.239
they looked down at the drop off, it dropped out

930
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:13.239
between eight and ten feet and came out in a

931
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:19.360
flat plateau. And on that plateau, I think they counted

932
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:27.440
like forty infant and juvenile bigfootprints. And they weren't going

933
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:31.039
to climb down there and cast all those things, but

934
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:36.960
they were definitely there. And you know in my book

935
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:42.239
I talk about coincidence versus correlation versus causality. You know

936
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:46.000
that we saw that many peepers watched them for twenty minutes.

937
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.719
In hindsight, I think what happened was when George pivoted

938
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:53.679
on his heel, we stopped right next to like this

939
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:59.599
playground or nursery down the drop off side, and I

940
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:04.119
think we got bluff charged by probably definitely one, if

941
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.960
not two. Right on the break of the fire road.

942
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:11.719
Going down, they found another partial big footprint right on

943
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:15.320
the edge. They couldn't cast it, but fifteen feet up

944
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:19.159
that tree. There was a fresh bark tear on that

945
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:23.239
tree as well, right below where right above where that

946
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:28.239
footprint was. And when they brought down that cast. It

947
01:07:28.360 --> 01:07:33.360
was incredible. He cleaned it up and you could see

948
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.280
the entire foot. It was about seventeen and a half

949
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:44.079
inches long, about seven inches wide, and you could see

950
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:47.440
the dermal ridges, you could see the mid tarsal break,

951
01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:54.199
the great toe, you could see the end of the toeprint,

952
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.719
but the joint right below it was missing. It didn't

953
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:01.639
get imprinted, and then the joint below that was present,

954
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:05.639
and so you just had this miss. It was like

955
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:08.679
looking it was almost like looking at an X ray

956
01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:11.840
where you could see the dermo prints and the mid

957
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:17.479
tarsal break, and so that was just amazing to me.

958
01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:21.479
I you know, definitely a correlation. I'm not prepared to

959
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:26.680
say caused it because we don't have enough data to

960
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:30.760
say it was causal, but there's a pretty strong correlation

961
01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:37.039
between what happened to us finding those the tree tear,

962
01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:41.840
finding the partial print, finding all those infinite juvenile prints,

963
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:46.199
and then the cast and us watching all those peepers

964
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:46.680
that night.

965
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.920
That cast sounds incredible.

966
01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:53.199
Is that any any sort of museum or is it

967
01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:55.760
just a it's a probably a property of the BFO

968
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:56.319
type deal.

969
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:01.159
No property, I guess the the un spoken word is

970
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:05.000
he who finds it and casts it owns it? Oh okay,

971
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:09.640
and so Justin Mixon, I believe is the guy's name.

972
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:11.960
He still has that cast.

973
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:13.520
That's awesome.

974
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:17.680
So that was my other butt puckering experience.

975
01:09:19.119 --> 01:09:24.119
Man, I think I would be more freaked out by

976
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:29.279
seeing you said around like twenty to thirty. Yes, I

977
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:34.520
mean one would be one. I've never seen eyes before,

978
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.279
But to see a group of eyes like that, man,

979
01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:39.000
that would be a whole different thing.

980
01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:43.920
The thing about that night, it was completely overcast, There

981
01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:50.680
was no moon, no stars. It was dark, and I

982
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.279
you know, I'm of the school of thought that there's

983
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.520
eye shine, but this would have been eye glow because

984
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:03.960
there was no light to reflect off the big foot,

985
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.119
the back of the bigfoot's eyes, these things. It was

986
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:12.039
like looking at a red halogen light when they it

987
01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:15.600
was round, but it was that intense. The eye glow

988
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:19.359
was that intense. And they were moving around, they'd move

989
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.960
from one tree to another, and so it was real

990
01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:26.079
difficult to count exactly how many, you know, how many

991
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:29.680
were there, But for twenty minutes we sat there and

992
01:10:29.720 --> 01:10:33.439
watched a bunch of bigfoots peep at us never saw

993
01:10:33.479 --> 01:10:37.399
they never saw the parent never anything seven eight ten

994
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:41.239
foot tall, but all under four feet.

995
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:42.439
You know.

996
01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:46.560
That's that's actually a thing that's been coming up pretty

997
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:52.800
pretty regularly when I have researchers on that they can

998
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:56.640
their eyes can actually do a sort of glow like

999
01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:58.239
they actually do glow.

1000
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:00.000
Is that have you found?

1001
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:03.479
That's a pretty well established line of thought that most

1002
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:05.079
researchers are on the same page.

1003
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:09.800
Well I was when I started, you know, now eight

1004
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:13.199
years ago. Well I'm in my seventh year. When I

1005
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:18.399
started six years ago, you heard was eyeshine? Right, And

1006
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:21.880
so the eyeglow I think is relatively something new and

1007
01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:25.520
a lot of people report it. But that just that's

1008
01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:28.520
that stood out because it was so dark that night,

1009
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:32.880
there was no ambient light whatsoever to reflect off their eyes,

1010
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:37.039
and it just looked like light bulbs, literally like electronic

1011
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:40.359
light bulbs peeking out either side of the tree. So

1012
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:46.119
I don't know. I think observationally it's been established whether

1013
01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:50.000
there's eyeshine and eye glow. Again, I think that's a

1014
01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:50.960
research question.

1015
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:55.560
Gotcha, is it usually tend to be the color red

1016
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:56.119
as well?

1017
01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:00.800
Or what we were what we were seeing is red.

1018
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:05.920
But here's here's one scientific issue with that everybody in

1019
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:11.840
my group, in Lori Wade's group, we have these knocks,

1020
01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:22.239
red light bulbs, headlamps, and there's something called after images.

1021
01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:25.560
If you were around in the maybe still with the

1022
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:29.960
new cameras, when the big flashbulb goes off, you close

1023
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:33.159
your eyes and you see that bulb, you know, behind

1024
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:37.159
your eyes, and so you know one thing. Another thing

1025
01:12:37.199 --> 01:12:40.439
I think needs to be investigated is are we, in

1026
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:45.680
fact seeing red eyes? Are we experiencing a red after

1027
01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:51.359
image from those eyes because we've been walking around with

1028
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:55.279
red lights all night and so we're seeing red. I've

1029
01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:59.880
heard people that see red, green, yellow, but I think

1030
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:03.680
red and green have been the predominant reports. It is

1031
01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:04.640
my take on it.

1032
01:13:06.039 --> 01:13:09.359
That's that's a really interesting thing to think about. Yeah,

1033
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:12.640
I'm definitely going to thinking about that for a while.

1034
01:13:12.720 --> 01:13:15.720
There's people that have thoughts about that. You can reach

1035
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:17.720
out in the comments. I'd love to hear what you

1036
01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:21.520
think if you are more a researcher. Yeah, well, man,

1037
01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:23.520
that that was a good last one.

1038
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:24.159
John.

1039
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:27.159
Well, thanks, I'm sorry I made you work a little

1040
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:28.279
longer for it, but.

1041
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:33.920
I liked it. Man. Oh yeah, it's it's places like that.

1042
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:36.439
It's always good to hear that there's places like that,

1043
01:13:36.560 --> 01:13:40.800
and uh, there's more than a few places like that

1044
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:45.399
that are are not readily known to the public. But

1045
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:47.319
they kind of have to be like that so that

1046
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:49.000
they keep the way that they are, you know.

1047
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:52.600
And I would you know, for any newbies, anyone that

1048
01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:58.600
is interested in getting out, but you know, if you

1049
01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:01.720
don't like you know, people have mixed feelings about BFRORO.

1050
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:05.760
I cut my teeth on BFRO expeditions, but there's a

1051
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:08.920
lot of other groups that go out. I would highly

1052
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:13.840
recommend getting out with people that have some experience doing it,

1053
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:16.800
because if you don't know what you're looking for, if

1054
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.079
you don't know the sign, if you don't know nature,

1055
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:26.119
animal calls, you know, you can see things that aren't

1056
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.560
there or hear things that aren't there, or they are

1057
01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:31.920
there but another animal. So I really encourage people to

1058
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:34.479
get out with a group of folks who know what

1059
01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.840
they're doing. If you're just getting into it, and go

1060
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:41.119
out on expeditions with somebody who knows there's stuff, because

1061
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:44.840
otherwise it's going to be a steep learning curve for you.

1062
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:48.960
It's steep enough with somebody you know, oh absolutely.

1063
01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:54.239
That knows that is good good advice. Yeah, you don't

1064
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:58.439
want to just be launching into this by yourself. Have

1065
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.920
have someone who's further down there trail than you are.

1066
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:01.840
Absolutely.

1067
01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:06.880
Yeah, well, John, thank you so much for coming on.

1068
01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:08.199
Thank you, Jeremi.

1069
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:14.760
Very fun and enlightening conversation. And again it sounds like

1070
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:17.720
I'm telling everyone to go get your book, because I am,

1071
01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:19.800
because I like it.

1072
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:22.960
Seriously, Well, thank you so much book.

1073
01:15:23.520 --> 01:15:25.520
I think a lot of people I have in mind

1074
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:27.960
that would learn a lot from it. But in all

1075
01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:29.920
seriousness I'm going to have the link down the show

1076
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:32.560
notes and check that out. It's another great book from

1077
01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:35.680
Hanger One Publishing with Doug Hicheck. So thank you again

1078
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:37.119
John for coming on tonight.

1079
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.399
Thank you very much for inviting me Jeremiah. I really

1080
01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:41.680
enjoyed it very much.

1081
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:47.520
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1102
01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:41.039
Her and I can get on here. We can tell

1103
01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:44.199
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening.

1104
01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:46.039
That's too afraid to tell their story.

1105
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:49.119
Maybe this will give them the courage to come out.

1106
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:50.880
And now it feels so bad about it.

1107
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:53.039
Who cares what anybody thinks.

1108
01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:55.399
I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

1109
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:57.239
That's all I care about.

1110
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:17.199
Please let people know, Please let them know. If you

1111
01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:18.119
ever see.

1112
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:21.439
One of these things, you need to tell because if

1113
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:22.399
you don't, then

1114
01:18:22.439 --> 01:18:36.439
Shame on you, you have shame on you,