July 6, 2025

What We Saw Wasn't Human — And It Wouldn't Stop Coming | Michigan

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Season 1

What happens when two kids go out blueberry picking in the pine forests of Oscoda, Michigan — and come face-to-face with something that isn’t supposed to exist? In this haunting episode, Richie recounts a summer morning in 1971 that would change his life forever. Alongside his older sister, Richie encountered a tall, dark-haired creature walking calmly toward them on a wooded trail — not aggressive, not scared, just watching. What followed was a childhood memory seared into place by fear, disbelief, and the long road to understanding what they saw.

You’ll hear details of the encounter, from the trail near Van Ettan Lake to the face Richie can still describe over 50 years later. He shares how the sighting led to a lifetime of wondering — and why he believes Bigfoot wasn’t there to harm them. This isn’t just another encounter story — it’s a rare glimpse into the innocent fear of two kids, and a moment that refused to fade.
If you’re from northern Michigan, pay attention — because this one hits close to home.

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You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account is from an individual that shared what happened

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to him and his sister when they were two little

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kids out picking blueberries in the quiet forest of Ascota, Michigan.

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What happened on the trail in front of them. This

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is Richie's story about the creature that wouldn't stop. So

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stay with us, all right, Pig for Society. But the

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privilege of talking to Richie today. Richie's an individual got

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connected to that had an interesting thing happened to him

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over on the eastern side of Michigan up there, kind

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of in the north, not in the up but you know,

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we'll talk about that in a little bit. But Richie,

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welcome to the show today.

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How's it going man, So far, so good. Jeremiah yourself

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doing great.

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Always a good time when I'm able to chat with

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someone in the afternoon about what they've experienced. This is

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an interesting area. Listeners might remember if you're looking at

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a map that we have talked to an individual over

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there in Glenny before. That's actually one of the most

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listened episodes of the podcast. But this time we are

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focusing on a town called Oscota over there on the

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well edge of lake here on it looks like so Richie,

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I'm going to go ahead, though, and I want to

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pass things over to you so that you have the

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time to share what you experienced. Feel free to take

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us back to that day, anything that we need to

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know to help set the stage and the floors.

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User Well, again, this was.

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Nineteenth July August nineteen seventy one, but latest, I mean,

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might have been a year earlier. But my oldest sister

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and I were blueberry picking in the woods of Uskota.

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She was breaking my chops a little bit because I

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was actually picking more blueberries than her and kind of

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giving me a hard time. And at one point, when

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I'm looking over at her, showing her that I still

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have more berries than her, I saw something walking up

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the trail towards us. And it clearly wasn't human, but

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it was walking upright, and I just know, I said, well,

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what is that?

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And again it wasn't.

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It wasn't walking scary, It was just it was just walking.

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It was just out taking a walk. And but as

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soon as my sister her name was Christy, as soon

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as she looked over at it.

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She boom.

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I mean, she freaked, she screamed, she said run, and

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she grabbed me, and you know, and of course I

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always reacted to how she would react to something.

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Of course I would probably over the top.

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So there we are together, just running and screaming up

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the trail away from this thing and excuse me. And

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once it was out of sight, she's like, she stopped

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and she said, well, let's maybe it's not following us anymore.

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And so we just kind of looked up the path

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behind us, and then all of a sudden, there's this head,

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there's a shoulders, there's this way that's coming towards us.

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Still, but it's just walking nice, it's just walking.

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Casually, but still, you know, we turned around and headed

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towards the main road, just running and screaming.

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When we got back to the main road, we sort

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of ran and.

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Walked back to our cottage where our parents were, and

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they didn't believe us. They you know, by that time,

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I'm the only thing that I had ever seen that

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looked remotely like that was King Kong from the nineteen

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thirty three version. So I'm thinking, well, it must have

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been a gorilla. And of course, you know, my dad's like, Rich,

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there's no gorillas in the United you know, there's no gorillas.

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But you know, I'd never heard a big foot.

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At that time.

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But they didn't believe us, no matter how freaked out

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we were, and my sister and I would kind of

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talk about it on and off during the years.

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And again it was years later.

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I was watching the Steve or the six Million Dollar

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Man Bigfoot episode with Andre the Giant playing Bigfoot, and

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I'm like, I think that's what we saw, and well,

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and that just kind of from there.

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It sparked an interest in bigfoot.

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I would go to the library and whatnot and I'm like,

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that's what we saw. I know, that's what we saw.

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And she would kind of not really get into it

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or I didn't even want to accept it until we

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were both adults much years later and said, yeah, that's

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probably what we saw. She still thinks it was going

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to eat us. I think we missed out on an opportunity.

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That's that's pretty much it.

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What was the opportunity you feel that you missed out on.

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I just again, the bigfoot was just walking towards us,

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very casually, and I just think that maybe.

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It saw us as just a couple of kids.

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You know, maybe again, you know, I've I've read certain

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things where you know, Bigfoot kind of knows that, you know,

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human beings can be kind of cruel and this and that,

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but not so much kids. And I think it just

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saw us as just a couple of kids, and maybe

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it was just going to walk by us and smile

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or whatnot and just continue on its way, because it

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was coming our way. And even after we stopped to

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look back, like I said, it was still just it

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was just casually walking.

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But again, it was black hair all over, our dark

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hair all over. Even from that distance you could see

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there was hair all. I mean, it had that kind of.

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Kind of a gorilla shaped head and yeah, very long arms.

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And again, you know, my sister and I we you know,

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we still talk about it. After I found that that

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bigfoot Facebook site where I put our story. You know,

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she she loved it, and she's like, yeah, that's exactly

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how I remember it even now. Except again, you know,

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she thought that bigfoot men is meant to do us.

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Arm But.

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Wow, that that is extremely interesting. So you got, at

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least for a few seconds, a pretty good view of

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the face of whatever was of what was coming towards you?

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Right, Yeah, I would say maybe maybe it was maybe

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fifty yards you know, away from us. And again the

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trail was kind of hilly, I guess you could say,

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because again, once we ran just a little bit, you know,

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I mean, we couldn't see it because it wasn't just

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a flat trail, and all of a sudden, you know,

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we could just see like it's head, shoulders, et cetera, just.

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Kind of coming back towards us.

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But again, you know, it had hair all over its

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head and around its chin, and you know, it had

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it had hair all over it. It was not a person,

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even at that age, you know, I mean we would

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have recognized her because it had it been a person,

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we wouldn't have been running the way we did. You know,

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there's someone coming, well, we're just picking bluebear. But no,

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this was this was not a person.

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Absolutely. I found that something I struggle with and I'm

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trying to get better, whether it is how to visualize distances, right,

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And so when we say fifty yards away, if I'm

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to look that up real quick, it's it's the similar

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It's similar to the length of two swimming pool lengths.

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Would that be pretty accurate.

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Yeah, maybe, yeah, gotcha, gotcha?

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Probably very good.

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But I mean again, it was close enough to see

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that it had hair all over its head, and again

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it was it had no clothes on. You know, it

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was close enough for me to make that detail when

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I first SAWT coming. Because again when I first saw

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coming at us.

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You know, I didn't feel any fear at first. I

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just thought, well, what the heck is that?

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So when I and then I asked her, and of

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course Chris got real intense and yeah, and.

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I I, like I said back then, I always fed

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off her.

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Emotions absolutely, And I'm trying to picture that myself. And

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I believe if I had seen something too swimming pool

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lengths away, I'd be able to see some details as well.

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From what you remember, and I do know this is

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years ago, but do you remember any other details about

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the face? Could you see eyes at all or eye details?

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Not so much eye details at all.

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But again, once we got back to our parents and

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I kind of cooled down a little bit, and it

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just to me.

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The head, it kind of.

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It was shaped sort of like the way King Kong's

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was in the nineteen thirty I mean, that was my

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first thought that Oh, it must have been a gorilla,

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you know, because at that time I didn't know that

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gorillas didn't walk on two feet because King Kong did.

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But it definitely hit hair all the way around his face,

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all over its head and again it was hairy basically

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from head to toe.

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Gotcha. You say the hair was all over the face.

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Were you able to see the nose at all? Or

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was that covered with hair as well?

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I think like I think like the very center if

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if what I remember, there was some detail there was

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less hair like around the nose and whatnot, because it

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looked like the middle of the head there was not.

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So much hair.

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But the way it was, the hair was around the

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top of the head and around like underneath like the

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chin and whatnot.

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It Yeah, it wasn't human he or she wasn't he.

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Absolutely. Were you able to see any teeth that during

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any part of this?

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No?

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Okay, no, gotcha? Gotcha? And how would you describe the

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neck of the creature if that was something you were

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able to notice?

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Well, again, it to me, if I remember, it looked

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like it was almost real beefy in the shoulder areas

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where you couldn't really see the neck and it had

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longer arms than what we had, we as humans have,

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but it looked like it was kind of real beefy

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around the shoulder are you know, almost like a bodybuilder

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when they have those big muscles between the shoulder and

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the neck.

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So I didn't really notice the neck. It just looked

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like there was just big shoulders than the head.

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And yeah, gotcha, it's thinking of long arms. Absolutely, those

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arms that we just mentioned. How far down then would

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the hands go if they were like on the side

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of the body.

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It almost I would say, close close to the knees.

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I mean it was because I know mine's maybe to

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my thigh, but it it definitely looked again like the

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arms were longer than a human being. Because again right away,

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that was the first thing that I recall thinking, well,

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what is that?

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Yeah, absolutely, it is a kind of a weird question.

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But you know, thinking back in your memory and what

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you saw of the head shape of the creature, was

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the size of it similar to any household objects that

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you might be able to think of. M No, not really, okay, gotcha,

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not really, no problem. Was there anything that you notice

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that you know, the years since you've gotten into some

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bigfoot related things right, you've watched some stuff, you've ft

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some stuff. Probably is there anything that you remember from

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that day that you're like, Man, all these other people

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they're getting it wrong. They're not getting this one thing

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that we noticed during this blueberry picking session.

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Well, again it was I just I think it was

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the calmness of the whole situation except for my sister

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and me. But again, this thing, it was just walking

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at a nice pace. There's no way that I just

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don't believe that this animal had meant us any harm.

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And so for anyone that maybe had has a horror

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story or that you know, again watched that Under the

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Giant six million dollar Man episode, you know, this wasn't

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like that. The thing was just it was just just walking.

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It was just out for a walk.

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That brings up a great thing to talk about. So

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thinking back about what you saw that day, would it

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fit more like you're walking down the street and you

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see it walk by you or is this something that

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you would have seen in a zoo?

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Perhaps, Well, I mean it it definitely is I guess

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you could say, almost like in the zoo, but it

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was it definitely wasn't walking, It wasn't human, but it

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was walking. It was walking intelligent. It was just it

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just it definitely had to have seen us, and it

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was just it was just walking up right, mind, and

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it wasn't I'd swear to it that it didn't mean

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us any harm.

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A lot of people will say that it seemed to work.

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It seemed to walk with purpose, which yeah, kind of

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goes with what you're saying as well. Was there anything

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out of the ordinary about the way that it walked

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or was it pretty normal looking?

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Well, since it was the first one I'd seen anything

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like that I'd ever seen, I mean they were I

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mean normal, didn't really fit in. But and I wish,

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I mean, had we not just taken off running and

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screaming the way we did, I could have. But it

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just yeah, I mean it it knew where it was going,

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and it was just again, my sister and I were

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out there early enough in the day to where, you know,

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we knew it was going to be just us. No

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you know, nobody else, no adults out there, it was

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going to be just us. And yeah, again, without being

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too redundant, it was just it just seemed like it

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was out on a stroll. I mean, maybe it had

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a purpose. It was going someplace specific, but that trail

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actually again, we were maybe a mile maybe three quarters

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of a mile to a mile in on this trail

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that led to the main road. So maybe at some

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point it was going to get off that trail and

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had back.

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Into the woods. But you know, who's to say, Like

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I said, I just I feel like.

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We just kind of missed an opportunity by running and

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screaming the way we did.

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Sure, yeah, absolutely, was there anything else happening that day

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before you had the visual sighting that kind of tipped

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you off to like, Okay, something weird is about to happen.

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No, not at all. It was, like I said, my

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sister was.

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She was real, kind of real competitive. And you know

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again she's like, come on, I'm going to pick more

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blueberries than you today. And we we were up before

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our parents, and you know, we let him know we're

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heading out, we're going across because our cottage was right

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on Van Netting Lake. Across the street was the woods

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and basically we would walk I don't know a ways

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up the main road before we would hit that trail

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where we were where all.

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The blueberries would be growing.

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And you know, again, the whole time she was just

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kind of giving me, I'm going to pick more than

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you today.

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I'm gonna you know, bah da da da dah.

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So it was, I mean, you know, we were all

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fired up. You know, I was gonna pick more on her,

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She's gonna pick more than me. And as once we

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got going started picking them, my bucket was a little

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more full than hers. So she's kind of given me attitude.

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And at one point I'm just kind of rubbing in

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her face. And that's again when I saw what I

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saw walking up the trail, and yeah, and when she

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saw it, things went differently. And again by the time

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we got back to the main road after running and

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screaming like a little couple of little banshees, she had

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more blueberries in her bucket than I did.

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What would you say is the main thing you remember

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that makes you think, Yes, what we saw that day

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was a bigfoot and not like a bear that was

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there trying to get blueberries as well.

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The way it was walking.

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I mean, a bear, a bear's got those short legs

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when they're when they or at least all the bears

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I've seen in like the movie The Edge and whatnot,

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when they stand up and you can hear a bear growling?

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And this and that, this thing was just walking and

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it it wasn't a bear. And again, I don't know

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why a bear would have been walking on just two

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legs that far away from.

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Us, makes sense. Have you ever been back to that

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same spot since that time?

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Oh?

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Yeah, we pretty much would go there every year until

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about nineteen seventy seven, that's yeah.

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And oh yeah, I would go back there. Yeah.

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I would go up that trail almost at least once

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every year after that until, like I said, about nineteen

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seventy seven, and.

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Nope, never never saw it again.

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In the time afterwards where you started to look into

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different media related to the subject, did you ever start

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to look in to see if other people had had

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similar encounters in the same area.

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No, I didn't, Like I said, I got a little.

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It was funny.

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I always knew where our public library was from the

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year before because the year before the year before I

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saw that Steve that six Manion dollar Man episode, the

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movie Jaws came out, so I was just hooked on

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reading about great Whites. And then of course after seeing

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the the six Manion dollar Man episode, I had to

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go back and because I think this is what we saw.

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And but no, as far as anyone else from USC

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go to, I don't know. I never heard of any

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other anyone else talking about having seen bigfoot in those woods.

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That's extremely interesting. Do you feel that this encounter you

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had as a young child affected you in any other

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ways besides starting to be really focused on BIGFOOTE years?

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Well, I just I would love to go back to

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that area.

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I mean, I I I know that from what I understand,

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that whole area has been developed and it's just homes now.

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But uh, you know, I always felt like, man, I

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should I should go back there one day.

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I should.

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I don't know if I'll ever make it back up

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good again. But yeah, I mean yeah, I thought. I

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think about that a lot. It's uh, like I said,

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it's a it's a very lucid, clear memory. Uh, I

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know what I saw. And again, my sister, I mean.

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She may have.

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She has a little bit more of a it was

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a ferocious story than me, but that's just you know,

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she saw it differently, I mean I and again, but

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she knows that she agrees that it wasn't a per

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it was not a person. Uh.

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You mentioned that you had a discussion with your parents

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about this as a child. They didn't leave you did.

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Did you happen to have a discussion about that with

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them when you were an adult as well?

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Oh?

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Oh yeah, yeah. Well, like I said, after after that

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six million dollars Man episode, I remember, because I do.

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Actually I wasn't watching it with my sister, but I

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did watch it with my dad, and I'm like, you

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know what, I think, that's what Chris and I saw

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that time up in nov Kota.

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And he didn't take me seriously at first.

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And when I you know, explained to him what happened

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that day again, he's like, oh that again ya da

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da da dah.

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You said that was a gorilla, now it's a big foot. Well,

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which is that? Make up your mind?

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I'm like, well, you know, I was a little kid

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then I didn't I didn't know what a big foot was.

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And but no, he dad didn't. He dad didn't believe

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in like UFOs or you know, he just he didn't

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believe in bigfoot, so and.

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He just wasn't going to believe in it. Uh.

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I think we may have talked about it once, like

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when I was in my twenties, and uh, but again

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he would just always brush it off as no, you

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guys did not see a bigfoot. You know, you were

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a little kids, you didn't know what you saw. Well,

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that's right, I didn't know what I saw. But as

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I got older, I realized what I saw.

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And it's not like the memory is just as clear

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today as you know.

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Again, I just I remember, I can still kind of

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feel my throat hurting from all the you know, all

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the darn screaming I did.

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So yeah, I can.

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I know what that's like. Uh yeah, yeah, I've talked

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about that before on the show and talking to a

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parent and they just nope, don't want to deal with it.

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But anyways, some people, when they have experiences like this,

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they'll have other experiences later in life. Is that anything

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that's happened to you where you've had maybe not other

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Bigfoot related things happened, but things that are just out

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of the ordinary or weird.

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Well, up at that same cottage, about three cottages down

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from where the cottage was in Oscota, some relatives of

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my father died. And yeah, there were times as a

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little kid at night, if let's say, my folks would

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be out on the lake fishing, and my sisters were

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kind of watching me or whatnot, and I'm just kind

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of out playing. Sometimes I would hear weird sounds from

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this one cottage that are or are distance relatives. I

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guess they died in it. And there was one time

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I was by that cottage and.

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I heard a really weird it.

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Almost it sounded like a person, but like a person

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in pain, and God, what is that? And all of

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a sudden I saw my dad kind of walking around

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from the other side. And he was not the kind

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of guy that would mess with a kid like that.

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So I just remember asking, did you hear that? Did

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you hear that?

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And he's like here, what And and again I know

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I heard something.

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I don't know if that is in any way connected

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to the big Foot sighting. Again, they were both around

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the same time, very very early nineteen seventies.

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That is that is that is very interesting. It makes

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you almost you know, wonder if it's a thing where

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maybe you guys are more receptive to things, or you know,

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maybe he did hear it, and he's just you know,

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not wanting to to say.

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That he did.

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You know, that's that's all speculation, but it's that's very interesting. Yeah,

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so you have multiple things happening in this cabin area

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that are weird.

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Yeah, but yes, and os go to Michigan and again

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the cottage was right on Van Netton Lake.

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The cottage where we would stay.

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Again, the cottage where I heard the weird sounds like,

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I don't know, it was like three cottages down, but

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it was still on the net Lake, directly across the

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street from the other side from the woods where we

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saw Bigfoot.

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Uh, yeah, gotcha. And are those still in the family

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or or not?

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I know, by nineteen seventy seven, my dad's family had

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sold both that property off and.

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Well that was it. We just we never went back yet,

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you know after that.

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Yeah, makes sense. I'm sure that you've thought over the

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years about that visual sighting you've you've had, and so

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many people, you know, they're like, oh, man, I wish

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I had that as well. But is that anything that

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you would like to ever repeat, ever have a sighting

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like that again?

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Oh, one hundred percent, I would, because again, I just

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feel like we missed out an opportunity we could have

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possibly you know, I mean, who who in this workause,

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Hey I I high fived or wash your cands, or

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I touched the big Foot and I think and again,

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the thing was just walking towards us. It had it was,

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It meant us no harm, and it wasn't afraid of us,

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just from the way it was walking towards us. I mean,

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I'm sure by the time we started running and screaming

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for the second time, it was probably laughing its butt

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off at us. But other than that, no, I would

472
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love to have had would have another chance to cross

473
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:29.000
paths with a bigfoot.

474
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:36.200
I'm trying to think of how to say or ask this.

475
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.960
Do you have any advice for those individuals that might

476
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:46.319
be putting themselves in the situation where they're trying to

477
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.079
have a visual sighting and what to do if they

478
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:50.759
do ever have that sighting.

479
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:57.400
I would say, don't be afraid, and I would say

480
00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.839
don't run away if you know, I that's that would

481
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:05.039
be for me, because again, you know, looking back, I

482
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:08.119
only got afraid because again I would always you know,

483
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.119
it didn't matter if it was an angry situation back then,

484
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:13.599
you know, because my sister was kind of like my boss,

485
00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:16.000
you know, because if the parents, my parents were like

486
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:17.200
out on the lake fishing that.

487
00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:18.759
Night, she was in charge of me.

488
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:21.519
You know, if we were back home, because we were

489
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:24.480
raised in Lancing, Michigan. If we were back home and

490
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:27.440
it was summertime and folks were working, she was the boss.

491
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.240
She was in charge of me. It was just that's

492
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.759
how that was. So I would always kind of react

493
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:34.839
to how she reacted. But I just remember when I

494
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:39.039
first saw it walking towards us, I didn't feel any

495
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.000
fear at all. I knew it wasn't a person. And

496
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.480
that's why I asked her, what is that walking towards us?

497
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.160
Because you know, she's the oldest sister.

498
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:46.759
She would know.

499
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.160
And of course she reacted the way she did, and

500
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.079
I reacted to how she How she acted.

501
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.839
Is a question I have about your sister is kind

502
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:06.000
of tricky because you know she's not here, but just here,

503
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.480
maybe you'll be an answer. Maybe not in either way

504
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:11.720
is no problem. But you know, this definitely affected you

505
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:14.319
in a way where you got interested in the subject.

506
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:17.000
Did it affect her as well?

507
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.160
Do you think? I know?

508
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:24.799
You maybe when her and I were both in our

509
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:28.440
early twenties, you know, I mean, she's starting out raising

510
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.480
a family and whatnot, and I'm.

511
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:32.640
Work, you know, start in the workplace and whatnot.

512
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:34.440
And I think it was one time we were on

513
00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:39.200
the phone, and because she lived in Michigan, I lived

514
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.039
here by then, and I think I kind of mentioned it,

515
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:44.240
remember that time at the cottage, you know, when we

516
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.799
saw Bigfoot, and you know, yeah, she just didn't want

517
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:48.519
to talk about I didn't want to hear about it then.

518
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.000
But over the years, especially since the Internet and whatnot

519
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.240
is you know, kind of taken over our lives. You know,

520
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.599
I'll text her or email our photos or videos of

521
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.799
this that like, this is what we saw and she

522
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.839
doesn't mind talking about it now, and you know, and again,

523
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.880
her memories pretty much match mind, other than the fact

524
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.880
that she thinks that Bigfoot wanted to have us for breakfast.

525
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:22.759
Gosha, So she had a different interpretation, which is Bigfoot

526
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.640
wanted to have you for breakfast. But it sounds like

527
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:27.279
you were kind of looking at it a little a

528
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:36.279
little differently. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, it's very interesting. You mentioned

529
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.880
before that you've tried to share this a few times,

530
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.279
and there's been a lot of people that haven't believed

531
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.279
you over the years, and maybe there's been some ridicule involved,

532
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:51.759
which is definitely unfortunate. Why would you.

533
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:55.559
I love this? Sorry about that, You're good you're good.

534
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.079
Why would you decide now to to come on a

535
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:04.279
a larger platform to share something that's gotten you ridiculed

536
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:04.759
in the past.

537
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.839
Well, it's because it's for one, it's true. I'm not

538
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:11.759
lying about it. It's true. I mean.

539
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.319
And again, when I found I, you know, facebook's kind

540
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.039
of you know, I don't I just had Facebook for

541
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.319
years just to kind of post photos on this and that,

542
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.240
and then you find these groups, and just within just

543
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:29.920
this year, I found a.

544
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.559
Bigfoot group and I thought, well, that's interesting, and.

545
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:35.920
From there I decided to kind of put my what

546
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.680
I remembered about that day down in my notes on

547
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.440
my phone, and the story just kind of took root

548
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.240
from there, and I just thought, you know, let me

549
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.119
post this and see what everyone else thinks. And by

550
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.559
then I had I think, I'm I follow or I'm.

551
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.279
A member of I don't know two or three bigfoot groups.

552
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.599
And you know, all of the responses I got from

553
00:29:58.599 --> 00:29:59.680
that story have been.

554
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:01.799
Positive.

555
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:05.519
I mean, yeah, there's been a couple of smart remarks,

556
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.119
but yeah, when you put things out there, things are

557
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:09.799
going to come back, and some of those things that

558
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.640
come back aren't going to be what you want to hear.

559
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:13.279
It's just that's just a fact.

560
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.640
But it is great that it sounds like you've maybe

561
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.640
even been able to help some people through just them

562
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:28.839
hearing your your story. So I would imagine that's yeah, absolutely,

563
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:31.920
you know, Rischie, I just want to say thank you

564
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.640
for coming on the show and for sharing what happened

565
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.559
to you when you're you're a young child. I want

566
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:39.720
to make sure that you were able to share everything

567
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.599
that you had come to the show with today.

568
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:48.079
Sure, absolutely, yeah, unless you have any other questions, but yeah,

569
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.680
I think that's pretty much it. Like I said, everything

570
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:54.880
I have in the story that that you read on

571
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.200
that Facebook page and what I told you today.

572
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.759
There's no embellishment. It's what I remember.

573
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:05.440
And I mean, I know, like I think like the

574
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.000
next day after that, when we saw that, I know,

575
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.440
our parents, you know, we just my sister and I

576
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.759
just couldn't let it go. We saw that we saw

577
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.400
something in the wood, and again by then I thought, well,

578
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.440
it must have been a gorilla because I didn't hear

579
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.319
anything else, So I know, I think it was the

580
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:25.359
next day my sister and I went with our parents

581
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:27.400
in the car and we're driving up on this trail

582
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:29.599
where we were picking blueberries, and.

583
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:30.920
Of course we saw nothing.

584
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.519
We may have passed a few people along the way,

585
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:37.119
but this was you know, this was late in the day,

586
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.559
well late in the afternoon, when a lot of people

587
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.079
were on the trail, you know, picking blueberries, just hanging out,

588
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:47.000
just taking in the sights and whatnot. But no, they,

589
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.240
no one ever, no one ever believed Chris and I

590
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:54.039
just I don't know if she ever talked to her family,

591
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:54.599
like her.

592
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:58.000
Kids and her husband about it. I really don't know.

593
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.400
But you know, I have no problem talking about it

594
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.880
because it's true. I know, I know what I saw

595
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.759
it Cook, because I was so young, it took a

596
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.279
while for me to know what I saw, you know,

597
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:13.720
So yeah, I mean, yeah, maybe I sounded like a

598
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.640
dummy saying, oh, we saw gorilla in the woods in

599
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:17.200
no Scota.

600
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:21.119
You took what you saw and you used the references

601
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.200
you had as as being that young a child, and

602
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:27.920
totally makes sense. And yeah, I just want to say,

603
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.200
you know, Richie, thank you so much for coming on

604
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:33.079
the show and for for trusting us with your account.

605
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:36.440
I really appreciate you coming on today, sir.

606
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.680
Yeah, it's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

607
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.079
Hey, Deremiah. I guess I had to start over. My

608
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:55.880
name is Mark met Kim. I'm on the southeast side

609
00:32:55.920 --> 00:33:00.119
of Houston, Texas in the Kima, Texas area and Galveson Bay.

610
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.559
I've had a number of encounters up until the most

611
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:10.400
recent was in November. This recent November, probably over the

612
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.799
last twelve twelve years thirteen years or so, I spent

613
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:20.119
a ton of time in Colorado and I had, in

614
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:26.519
my opinion, twelve different encounters. Most of them have been docile,

615
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.400
when of them was maybe a little aggressive. With four

616
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:33.880
big I call him Big Harry's But if you want

617
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:35.200
to visit about it, I'd love for you to hear

618
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:39.039
about it. It's Sunday evening. I don't know what today

619
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.480
it is. I'm sorry. I had some surgery this week

620
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.319
and I've kind of been out of it, so I

621
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.599
love to hear from you. Thank you man, Bye bye.

622
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.559
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623
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.039
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624
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.440
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625
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.119
Just want to take a minute to say things. Thank

626
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:02.720
you for listening to this episode of the Big Society Podcast.

627
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.519
Richie's story is one of those encounters that stays with you,

628
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.000
not just because of what the creature did, but because

629
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.880
of what it didn't do. That calm, steady walk at

630
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.360
the silence and the question that still lingers what might

631
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:16.639
have happened if they hadn't have run? So huge thanks

632
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.199
to Richie for sharing his memory so honestly and for

633
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.639
reminding us that not every encounter is violent, but that

634
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:25.440
doesn't make it any less powerful. And if you enjoyed

635
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641
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642
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.960
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643
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.480
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644
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651
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.679
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652
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.920
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653
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