Aug. 12, 2025

What’s Lurking in Prince of Wales? | Alaska

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Season 1

What happens when a teenage camping trip on Prince of Wales Island turns into a face-to-face encounter with something that isn’t supposed to exist? In this wild and unforgettable episode, we sit down with Nick Blankenship — author of Mythical Owl — who shares his firsthand account of seeing a female Sasquatch rise from the riverbank in full daylight, smashing fish with a rock, just 75 feet away.

But that’s only the beginning.

From tree knocks and howls near Sandy Beach to glowing orbs above the mountains, and a white owl that landed silently on the back of his car — Nick’s life has been shaped by decades of close encounters. We dig into Native perspectives, the mystery of missing time, and a chilling pattern: these beings tend to show up not in fear… but in joy.

You’ll hear tales from Thorne River, Gravelly Creek, and the dark forests near Kasaan — where legends of abductions and school shutdowns only add to the mystery.

If you’ve ever felt the forest watching you… this is the episode for you.

Resources:

Nick's book - Mythical Owl - https://amzn.to/4l8MGG5 ( Amazon affiliate link)

Raincoast Sasquatch by Dr. J. Robert Alley - https://amzn.to/454cQVS (Amazon affiliate link)

Brushes with Bigfoot by Dr. J. Robert Alley - https://amzn.to/4froIon (Amazon affiliate link)

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You're listening to Pig for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron

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Tonight's account is from a man who grew up in

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the deep woods of southeast Alaska on Prince of Wales Island,

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where sasquatch doesn't just live in legends, it walks the

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gravel bars just seventy five feet away. This is a

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story of Nick Blankenship and what came out of the

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woods that summer by Thorn Bay. So stay with us,

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all right, PICKFA Society. You get the privilege of talking

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to an individual his name is Nick Blankenship today about

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his experiences he's had around Thorn Bay in the Prince

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of Wales Island area of southeast Alaska. This area has

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actually come up at least once on other episodes of

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the show, so I'm excited to hear Nick's story today.

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Nick is also a published author. He has a book

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about his experiences called Mythical Owl. You can find that

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if you you know, have links to it. It's on Amazon.

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But welcome to the show.

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Nick.

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It's privileged to talk to you today.

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Thank you, Jeremiah.

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You know, Nick, taking a look at your book, it

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sounds like you truly have experienced a lot of things

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that are the ordinary. But you know, I would invite

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you to to take us back as far as you

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need to, to share exactly what it is you've been

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experiencing over the years and how this does relate to

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Bigfoot in the Prince of Wales Island area.

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My name is Nick Milankinship, and we moved to Fritz

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Will's Island, Foreign Bay, Alaska in nineteen eighty eight. My

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father was a Baptist minister and a logger, and so

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he moved us here for work and ministry. I was

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early teenager my eighth grade summer, and a bunch of

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my friends and I we went camping on a river,

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the Thorn River. Thorn River flows into the Thorn Bay,

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and the bay is one of the inlets here the

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mouth of the ocean, and our bay is pretty big,

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and then it leads out to the main to the

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main water the ocean. And there's plenty of bloodlines that

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flow into the Thorn River, but Thorn River is the

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major bloodline for all these games and and things that flow.

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And we get all kinds of fish in there. We

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get wolves, black bear, all kinds of deer, and major

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amounts of birds, bees, everything just kind of is along

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the Thorn River. So, like I said, it was my

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eighth grade year, and it was a summertime. A bunch

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of us went camping, and one of my buddies came

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back and we were supposed to like set the tent up.

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A couple of us were putting sleeping bags in the tent,

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A couple of us were building the fire, and another

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guy was out just gathering little sticks of wood and

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stuff like that to cute the fire. Going middle of

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the summer, so you're talking like if it's seventy degrees here,

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you know it's blazing hot today. It's going to be

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almost seventy so it's gonna be a scorcher for southeast Alaska.

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Storm Bay is probably the warmest spot on the island.

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We're a major inlets, so we don't stick out, so

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we don't get the wind and stuff like other communities

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and camps on our island. And so the guy came

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back with some sticks and he goes back out to

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get another load, and he comes back very early and

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his face is just in Hennick's shock. He looked like

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he'd seen the ghost. And he said, hey, guys, you

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got to come with me, you know, you guys got

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to check this out. And we're like, what, you know,

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we thought she maybe saw a bear or a wolf.

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Is that? Don't say a word, just follow me. So

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we walked down the river and we're we're camping right

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on the Thorn River, but we're at Gravelly Craik. It's

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a little stream that flows into the into the Thorn River,

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and so he's asking to step on the bigger rocks,

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try not to make a lot of sound. Just come

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with me, and we're like, okay. So we walked down

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to the river with fisher jumping. Everything's, you know, just

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beautiful Southeast Alaska day. He couldn't get any better. We

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come around the bend and literally about seventy five feet

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away there was this reddish brown, hairy creature, but it

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was squatting right by the river bank. It was it

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would have been to our right, so we were looking

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at its right side of it, and all of a sudden,

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it just sped up like a human would stand up.

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It didn't have to push off the ground like a

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bearwoob with its front paws. And then when a bear

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stands up, its front legs are kind of out sticking

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out in front of him like a zombie. You know,

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they're kind of funky when they try to walk on

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two legs. But this thing was squatting, you know, just

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like a human would squat. And it stood straight up effortless.

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It just boom. It stood straight up and it looked

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right at us, and it just walked through the river

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and onto the other side. And as we were standing there,

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we could see that it was smashing a rock on

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what looked like a bunch of dead fish. It was

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like it was beating up these fish that were on

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the river bank. And when it stood up to look

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at us, we noticed that it was female. It had breasts,

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and we instantly all of us have been hunters, our

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dads are hunters, and we were in utter fear of like,

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whatever this is. If it's a female, it probably has

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a baby. And it's weird when I describe it, even

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just now, I could feel the chatter in my voice

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of whatever that was. It really freaked us out. And

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it stepped through the river. The river was about five

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and a half six feet deep at its deepest. It's

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not really that wide of a river right where the

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where the bend is, but when it walks through it.

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It was still, you know, waist high on this animal,

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this creature, it had dark brownish red hair, long hair,

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four to six inches maybe, and it had a sloping

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front forehead kind of like it went back to a cone.

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And when it turned, when when she turned, its head

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would only go part of the direction, part of its

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full direction, like you and I could turn our head

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back and forth. This would turn to where it almost

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met the shoulder, and then the whole top of the

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body would have to turn to look. So it didn't

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have as much movement as a human does. It didn't

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make any sound and just walked across the river and

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onto the other side. We all just started freaking out.

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We're like, we can't believe what we just saw. No

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way we saw this. It's in broad daylight. It's like

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two thirty somewhere between there and four o'clock in the afternoon,

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super bright out. The sun's going to stay out till

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like eleven thirty and then it's back up like at three.

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So like we get a lot of sun here in

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the summertime, and it was just beaming on this creature.

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We left our camp, we left our tents, we left

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our sleeping bags, We left our feud, we left everything.

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A couple of us had bicycles, a couple of us

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had motorbikes, and I had a three wheeler, and I

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put as many people as I could put on my

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three wheeler and we petted home. Home was like three

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miles maybe away from our campsite, and we all made

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it back. We all told our parents what we had

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just seen. And my dad, being a logger and in

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an avid hunter, he just grabs his rifle and goes

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back out with a group of guys that used to

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work for us. All they could find was just some

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bloody fish on the fish bank and that was it.

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There was no footprints nothing. He was standing or she

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was standing in rocks, not mud, so it wasn't like

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there was footprints available. And at that time a lot

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of the fish start dying off, you know, in the

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around August, so you see a lot of dead fish

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on the banks, or fish that have only been eaten

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by a bear. Maybe it's just the head gotten off

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and the rest of the body bear. So nothing looks

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too out of ordinary. Fear. I did not want to

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be part of a bigfoot abduction, and all of us were.

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We were just freaked out for many, many weeks. It

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was just something that it was the first thing you

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thought of when we woke up. It was one of

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the last things we thought about when we were going

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to bed, and it was it was just beautiful and

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and more majestic seeing something that's not supposed to be there.

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So that was my eighth grade summer and going into

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my freshman year. I wrote a story about it my

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freshman year. When we went back to school in September,

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I was in my English class and I wrote what

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I had just saw just weeks ago. I made a

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replica Bigfoot replica out of mountain dew bottles and bunny fur,

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and I sewed it all together, and I had the

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big leader bottle was its body, and I had little

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mountain dew bottles as legs and arms, and I covered

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it in bunny fur. My aunt, she's a seamstress, so

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she had all kinds of weird beads and funky eyes

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and stuff like that you could sew on shirts. I

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sewed its eyes on there and some teeth, and it

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was part of my presentation. My teacher liked it so

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well that she kept it up on the top of

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the blackboard. I think two or three years after I

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had graduated. It was just something that resonated with the school.

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It resonated with our community, several of the other kids,

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as parents. I mean, we just were a tight knit

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group here. My school at the time was only two

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hundred and twelve kids kindergartens through twelve, and we're all

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in one building. Most of the buildings here and homes

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were on floats. Even today, you're only going to find

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maybe a handful of is that actually have a foundation.

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We live in rural southeast Alaska, and that's basically my

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first real encounter with bigfoot. Since then, there has probably

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been about twenty years of nothing. It was just normalness,

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normal hunting, camping, fishing, doing the things we love to

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do here on our island. But it never left my

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back of my mind. What I saw. It's totally ingrained

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in there. It's burned into my memory. It's part of

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I think, it's part of who my DNA is and

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what makes what makes me. I also want to add,

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and I think that this goes along and I hope

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other people listening to it this would resonate with them.

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Is when a person's that true bliss with who they are,

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and they are totally comfortable in their own being, and

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they're truly having fun with their loved ones, whether that's

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family members or best friends. I think that's when the

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paranormal steps in. I've since then, I've learned that it's

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not supposed to be scary, because most of the things

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that's happened to me has happened when I was having

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the most fun time of my life. Whether I'm just

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with one of my best friends and we're laughing and

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we're having fun, and then something that appears. It's never

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when I'm down, It's never when I'm upset. And so

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it took almost twenty twenty five years for me to

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come to that realization that usually when I'm having true

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fun and my heart is pure, that's when these things appear.

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And so twenty twenty five years goes by. I'm out

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here with my sister's two kids, and we're champing, and

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we're at Sandy Beach, which is six miles out of

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Thorn Bay, so it'd be maybe nine miles away from

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my big Foot encounter from when I was in eighth grade.

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I take these kids out with my sister's kids, and

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we're champing. We're having a great time right on Sandy Beach,

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and we hear this what sounds like a woman streaming

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in the woods. And this is around midnight, maybe a

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little after midnight, and we have a small fire and

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it's starting to die down and we're going to retire

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to our tents and just chill for the night. And

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we've been up all day swimming and hiking and just

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playing and having fun and enjoying Southeast Alastet and we're

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about to go to bed and we hear what sounds

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like a woman screaming or crying in the woods. And

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I'm like, what was that? Did you guys hear that?

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And they're like yeah, and it did it again and

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made this screeching almost like a baby cry, but almost

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like a woman crying sound. And you know, we grew

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up here and I've been here since nineteen eighty eight,

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and you don't really hear those kinds of sounds. It

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was just something totally different. And again, here we were

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just my sister's kids and I and we're having true

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fun and we were our hearts were right, and I

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honestly believed this that when you're having fun that's when

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they appeared. Anyways, on the back of our tent was

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right against the forest. The front of our tent would

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look out over the ocean, and we could hear the

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footsteps as it's coming closer into camp. And made another

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This time it sounded almost like a lion roar, but

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at the end of it you could kind of, you know,

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like a woman's cry, and it freaked us out. And

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I don't want to sound tough or nothing, but I

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probably would have stayed if it wasn't for my sister's kids.

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They were I think one was thirteen and the other

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one was like maybe ten at the time, and so

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they were done. They were like, nah, we want to

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go home. And I could see my car. My car

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was across this little river that we had to cross.

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The river was a stream really, and it was like

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ankle deep. We again left everything there our camp and

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I said, you know, we'll just get it tomorrow or

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the next day, and we drove home. We drove all

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the way into town. My wife was up, you know,

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I had texted her own site, we're coming in. I

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didn't tell her why. But when we got there, the

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kids could not keep their mouth shut. They were freaking out.

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So after they go to bed, I was telling my wife.

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I was like, yeah, it was something was there and

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it sounded like a baby crying. It sounded like a

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woman trying to lure us in for like she needed help,

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and those kinds of things. Just never leave your psyching.

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I live right against the woods right now my house.

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If I go one hundred feet in any direction, I'm

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in Major Tongus National for I am in the wilderness,

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and so you can't really get away from it. We

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live here, we live in our woods. We're a part

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of it. I'm Native American. My first nation is tat Pilaklakkan,

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one of the first tribes from Texas, and I honestly

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believe that my Native American heritage and just being in

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tune with who you really are and comfortable in your

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own skin kind of helps open these these doors for

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these sightings. Again, after we had gotten married and we

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we were having our second child, and this is where

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big faith and the paranormal in my life kind of

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starts to really come come alive, if you will excuse me.

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We were in Ketchikan, Alaska, which is like I think

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about sixty miles off shore of this island onto another island, Ketchikan.

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Ketchcan has like fourteen thousand people or so, maybe a

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little more than that, but that's where the hospital is.

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We do not have any hospitals on this island. We

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have a few small clinics. And if your wife or

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whoever is going to have a baby, you have to

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go to Ketchikan and stay there at least two weeks

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before dw date, all the way up to your do gate,

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and if you go past the new gate, you just stay.

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You're not allowed to have a child here. You have

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to go to the hospital. So we're there, and we're

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there for like ten days before my second child is

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about to arrive. And I'm downstairs in the lobby and

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I'm trying to get coffee and a Coca Cola for

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my wife and you know, a donut or whatever they

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have done in the lobby, and I see this guy.

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And this guy's name is doctor Robert Alli, and at

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the time I had no idea who he is. My

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parents are pretty famous around these islands for the ministry

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and for my dad's bluegrass band that he plays in.

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And my dad plays guitar, banjomandolin fiddle, the bass. I've

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seen him play the piano. My mom plays the accordion

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and she plays the guitar. My sister plays the piano.

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My aunt and not Gole play music. So everybody's involved

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in our churches here. So I see people all the

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time that know my parents but really don't know me.

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But this guy, he's going around in the wabbie talking

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to people about Bigfoot. And I'm sitting there listening, and

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I'm staring my coffee and I had my drink in

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my other hand, the Coca Cola, and I'm like, well,

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this guy's talking to all these people in the hospital

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who are waiting for their loved ones, whether it's they're

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sick or they're having babies or whatever it is. He's

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just chatting to anybody. I have no idea who this

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guy was. So finally he said, he looks right at

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me and he says, hey, young man, have you seen

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big Foo? And you know, like fourteen fifteen other people

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just sitting around in the lobby look at me. And

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I gave him that kind of half smile like yeah, bro,

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Like if anybody in this room has seen him, I

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definitely have. Then he goes, I got a tape recorder.

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Can I record your story? And I'm like sure. So

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I sat down in front of all these people I

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don't know them from nothing, and his name is doctor

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Robert Alli. So I tell him my story. He's recording it,

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and he says, dude, I want to get you on

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one of my videos and you could watch them on

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anything like Netflix and stuff like that. And I was

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like really, and he's like yeah. So he took my

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information and my story and he listened to me. He

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asked some great questions. So I told my story to

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doctor Robert Alley. So I go back we have our child,

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and we go back home and I'm telling my father

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that I met this guy. And Dad's like, man, that

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name sounds familiar. And so mom found him on Facebook

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or I think it was Facebook and said, is this

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the deude? And I was like yeah, and she goes

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he plays bad pipes and we met him at the

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Bluegrass Festival when we were playing our bluegrass music and

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it was in Keetchikan, and I was like, wow, that's crazy.

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He was like We're like, yeah, we know this guy.

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We play music with him, and so I was like,

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well that's cool. So years go by again, and I

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want to say, let's see two thousand. I don't know,

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it's between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty somewhere in there.

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I've had a few other weird encounters that weren't bigfoot encounters,

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but they were just weird paranormal stuff, and so I

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got interested in knowing more about this doctor Robert Alley.

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So I started looking him up and my wife and

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we found out that he is like this kind of

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world renowned bigfoot researcher that's been doing this since the seventies.

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And I had no idea who he was. I just

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thought he was some old guy won the chat. I

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just thought he was a dude that played gagpipes. I

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had no clue that this guy was an anthropologist and

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a chiropractor, so he studies anatomy, studies how the body works.

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And I'm like, I really got to get a hold

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of this guy. So we're in Thorndey and my one

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of my good buddies and I we had left my

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cousin's house, and my cousin's house is literally it's about

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seventy feet from my parents' place, but that's just cutting

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through the woods. But we were walking on the road.

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So it's about to you guys down south, it would

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be like walking two blocks. So we're walking home and

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I thought I saw this beer can on the back

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of my Mitsubishi Lancer, but it looked like a tall

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Boy beer can. And I don't drink alcohol. And I

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was like, well, you know, one of my buddies, Pybe,

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put that up there. What is it? You know? And

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so being at my dad's a minister and all those things,

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it's like, dude, I don't old that beverage. Get that

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off my car. So we're walking down the road and

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I know this when I think is a beer bottle

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on the back or a beer can on the back

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of my car? And my friend David was walking with me,

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and Dave's like, what do you think that is? And

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I was like did I don't know? And all you

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could see was one little tiny street light. And now

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where I live in tharn Bay at these at those times,

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there was only maybe three street lights in town. We

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don't have any red lights. There's no such thing as

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a stop light, not like that. These are street lights

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that you see, and back then we only had a

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handful of them. Now there might be twelve street lights

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in all of town, so it gets major dark here

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after hours. Everything is closed after five o'clock. The store

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closes at seven, and that is it. There's nothing open.

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There's no gas stations, there's no banks, there's no malls,

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there's nothing. We live in the wilderness here. We had

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nothing after five o'clock. And so we get up to

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it and it's not a beer can at all. It's

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I don't know what it is at first. I walk

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right up to it, and my buddy turns a flashlight

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on it, and it happens to be a owl just

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sitting perched on the back of my fen. I'll reach

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out and I grabbed this owl with my bare hands

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and I pull him into my chest and the top

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of this owl's head is on the bottom of my chin,

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and it's just like you would do your puppy dog

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where you're just kind of reving your chin on it

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and you're like, hey, little guy, you know how you doing.

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That's how this bird was to me. And I held

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it for about forty five seconds, and my buddy's standing

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there with the flashlight. David's like, I can't believe you

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just picked up an owl. And then as soon as

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we were just kind of chatting about it, it just flew

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straight up out of my hands and was gone. It

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disappeared when it got above the street light, and it

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was just gone. We didn't think anything about it. It

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was just one of those things most of my friends

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tell me that, you know, I have these weird gifts

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like that, where if anything's gonna happen, it's gonna happened

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to me, kind of thing. And I just kind of

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chalked it up as okay, cool, I just picked up

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a white owl, And how rare is that anyway, that

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it's a white owl? And how crazy it is it

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that it allowed me to pick it up. It didn't

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fight me, it didn't try to get away any weird way.

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It just kind of nestled in me me for a

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few seconds before it flew away. So things like that

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had happened over and over in my life. We're living

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in Arizona, and uh, well, let me that track before

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I go to Arizona. So my same friend and I here,

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we were we were having a great time at my cousins,

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and David and I are walking home and we're chatting

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and we're acting like we must be the only two

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people on the planet. We're having loads of fun, and

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that's when this owl appeared. So same friend and this

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with be I want to say, two thousand and nine

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or twenty ten, I can't remember. So we went out

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the road and literally, from where I'm sitting right now,

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I can almost see the mountain that we were on,

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and we drove up to look for deer trails and

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signs of deer so that we know where we want

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to go hunting the next day. There's a couple spots

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in Thorne Bay here that if you if you get

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in the wrong spot, Joe b where there's a lot

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of wolves and so there seems to be less deer population.

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And we just wanted to make sure we were on

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the right ridge, in the right mountain. So we went

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up and we were literally, I want to say, two

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miles out of town. So the weird thing is is

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this is only about a mile away from where I

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saw Bigfoot when I was in eighth grade. We're basically

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across the street, but up the hill from from the river,

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and we're up there and this weird light it looked

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like it looked like a rock on fire coming in

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and my Buddy goes, look at that rock up in

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the end in the sky, and I'm looking up and

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it's hitch black outside, and this is like November, maybe

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early December, so it's snow on the ground. It's super cold,

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and we see this rock kind of it looks like

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it's hurling through the sky, but it looks like it's

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on fire and there's flames and it's just weird. And

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all of a sudden it stops over the bay and

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as it stops you could see that it had a

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reflection on the water. Still Now it looks like there's

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two of them, but it's just one. And I hop out.

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He hops out, and we're looking at it, and I go,

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do you give me your flashlight? And so I flash

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SOS at it, and it's a good five miles away

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or so from where it stopped above the water to

454
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.559
where we were. We were way up on this ridge,

455
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.920
I mean high up, looking down onto the ocean and

456
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.599
looking down on the muskegs and stuff like that where

457
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.880
all these deer should be. And after I flashed SOS

458
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:26.119
at it, it was immediate response. And this light starts

459
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:31.200
coming towards us, but it's moving kind of slow, about

460
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.279
a half a minute, maybe a minute goes by, and

461
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.920
it's right against the mountain, but it had came in

462
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:42.480
too low, and all of a sudden it starts kind

463
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.319
of going up the side of the ridge and we're

464
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.880
looking down on this weird light. I grabbed my buddy's

465
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.079
three O eight rifle and I looked through the scope

466
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.920
at it, and I say this in my book, Mythical Aisle.

467
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.359
I said, I'm going to punch a hole in it.

468
00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.799
And my buddy is like, dude, please don't shoot that.

469
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.759
Don't shoot that light. And I was like, dude, I'm

470
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.720
freaking out. This thing is right here, and it was huge.

471
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.319
As it started to come up the hill to us,

472
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.319
we realized it's like three hundred feet round. It's just

473
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:16.759
this huge weird light. As it finally gets about eye

474
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:20.680
level with us, it winks out from the outside edges

475
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:27.119
inward and it disappears and we're looking through the scope

476
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:28.759
and I'm like where to go. He's like, I don't know,

477
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.920
And like twenty seconds later it turns on, but up

478
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.960
higher and to the left of us, and now it

479
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.240
has the advantage it's looking down on us from before.

480
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.240
We were looking down at it from the ridge as

481
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:45.480
it's making his way up the hill. We hopped in

482
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:49.279
our truck. We drove down the road until we hit

483
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.319
the pavement, and right with the pavement hits this road.

484
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.920
If you go out of town from there, it's only

485
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.640
a half a mile to where I saw this bigfoot.

486
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.440
So we go towards the house and we end up

487
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.400
over the sortyard. And what we call sortyard is it's

488
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.759
where the loggers used to bring in all the logs

489
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.400
and they would sort it out to the different companies.

490
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:18.599
Whoever's buying lumber or shaken single or whatever, you would

491
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.319
go and have your band of logs at this place.

492
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.599
So as we get to the sortyard, it's right about

493
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.680
town and you can start to see the lights of town,

494
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:30.680
and I called my wife. All of a sudden, this

495
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.440
light comes right over top of the truck again, and

496
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.839
we stop and we both get out. This time David

497
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.400
gets out with us through la and he's looking straight

498
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.279
up at it, and I could see the light go

499
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:47.440
through his scope and hit him on the face. And

500
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.240
I'm dark skin, I'm native, and so I looked kind

501
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:55.559
of purplish green, and he's this white dude, and he

502
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:02.799
kind of looks bluish gray killer and we're chatting the

503
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.599
whole time, like, what is this? No sound? It's just

504
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.480
this huge lights. It's bigger than anything we have in town.

505
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:12.319
The only thing that I had to describe how big

506
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.680
it was was our gym, our high school gym, because

507
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.200
we don't have malls, we don't have any big buildings here,

508
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:22.039
so the biggest thing we had was our gym. And

509
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:23.759
I said, dude, it's got to be about the size

510
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:26.279
of the gym, right, He's like, right now, this is

511
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.759
the same cat I was with, the same guy I

512
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.799
was with when I found this owl on my car.

513
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:37.680
So again, I only started piecing this together later in life,

514
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.000
after I had my fourth child, and that's what made

515
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.039
me write the book Mythical Owl. I was like, man,

516
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.480
this is weird that these things happened to me. When

517
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.599
I feel like I'm that true bliss in my life

518
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.640
or I'm having just a really good time with whoever

519
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.880
it is, it seems like even these things appeared. And

520
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:05.720
so we're in we're in Arizona and we're living there.

521
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.039
We're out of Alaska, and we're like, okay, we're we're

522
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:15.000
down here now. And I kept most of my that

523
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:18.079
story to myself, my family, a couple of my friends

524
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.519
knew about the light that we saw, and I really

525
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.320
wasn't paying any kind of attention to it at all.

526
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:31.079
And then all of a sudden, in the late two thousands,

527
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.679
like within the last I want to say, maybe four years,

528
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:37.440
maybe I've heard a lot more people say, Man, you know,

529
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:41.840
I saw a bigfoot, and then in the same area,

530
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:46.719
I'll see these weird lights or I saw a ufl light,

531
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.519
and then weeks later or a year later, I see

532
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.920
a bigfoot around that same area, and it just it

533
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:55.679
just drove me mad to where I was like, man,

534
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.239
I don't know what it is. I don't know the

535
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:00.800
connection it is. I don't know if there's of vortex

536
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.920
there or what. So in my book, I took pictures

537
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.480
of these weird lights and weird things in the sky

538
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:13.519
and I added them into my book. I took pictures

539
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.800
of aerial view maps of where it was on the

540
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.599
river where I saw this bigfit creature of what I

541
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.719
would say was a female at the time, and I

542
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.079
tried to give as much information as I could. So

543
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.840
We're in Arizona and I tell my story and I'm

544
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:37.480
looking for somebody to help me figure this out. It

545
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.480
got so much that, I mean I was seeing things,

546
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:46.119
my kids started seeing stuff, and it was like, this

547
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:53.599
is happening so often now that it's like either I

548
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:57.400
don't know, I think it's like generational, like they're gonna

549
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.639
let me see these things, and then they're gonna let

550
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.559
my care and see these things. And it's one thing

551
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:05.079
when you're a child and you see whatever, and you're

552
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.280
a young person and a young adult and you see

553
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:11.000
these encounters, But it's different when your kids starts seeing them,

554
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:14.280
because then you start having these thoughts like then what

555
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.480
if they take my child? What if my child was abducted?

556
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.920
What if my child got hurt or killed by these

557
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:25.440
weird creatures? And it starts putting things in a different perspective.

558
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:30.440
So I couldn't let it go. So I got on

559
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:37.159
this page called new phone Mutual ufone network, and I

560
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.119
started chatting with somebody I have no idea who they were,

561
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:44.519
and I started telling my story about Bigfoot at Gravelly

562
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:49.960
Creek Thorn River, and the person said, look, you're on

563
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:55.760
mutual ufon network out of Arizona. I can't help you.

564
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:59.280
You have to find a representative in Alaska. To help you,

565
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.559
and I'm like, okay. So I get on the online

566
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:12.920
again and we find the guy and he's way up north,

567
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:19.679
like almost was Sila, and his name is Frank Solis.

568
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.760
So I get a hold of him. I have this

569
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.519
dude as my personal friend on my phone now and

570
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:29.719
we've been buddies now for like four years, but at

571
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.639
the time, I have no idea who this cat is.

572
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:37.159
So I call him up and we're talking and I said, look, dude,

573
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.559
I'm from Prince of Belle's Island. I'm from Thorne Bay

574
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.960
and I saw Bigfoot and I see these weird lights

575
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.239
in the sky. He took my information down, he checked

576
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.280
my stories down, and I had many of them that

577
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.480
I told and I was telling him, you know, one time,

578
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.960
we're going to have to try that. We have to

579
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:57.599
meet and do this and do that. And he's like, well, actually,

580
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:03.639
I'm going to Phoenix, Arizona for a UFO conference for

581
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:09.960
this mutual UFO network, and I'm going to a workshop

582
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:13.679
in Phoenix. How about we try to hook up and

583
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.880
you tell me your Bigfoot story while I'm there. And

584
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.679
I'm like, oh, that's cool. So now I have two

585
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:22.639
people that are in my corner doctor Robert Ally, who

586
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:27.119
is an anthropologist, bigfoot researcher. And now I have Frank Solas,

587
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:33.880
who is paranormal research, a broad spectrum of that. I'm offman, UFO,

588
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.039
anything you want to think of, he's he would be

589
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:42.400
doing those things. So after he heard my story, Frank Solas,

590
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:51.000
he's in Arizona and he's telling another mutual UFO network representative.

591
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.199
This guy's name was Dennis and he was a et R,

592
00:38:55.480 --> 00:39:01.440
which means an experiencer, someone that's not only heard stories,

593
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:06.239
that has had their own encounters with the paranormal. That

594
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:10.719
he believed that when that light was in the sky

595
00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:13.679
and it turned off and then it winked back on

596
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:18.199
twenty seconds later, Like I said that that really wasn't that.

597
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.719
That really didn't happen. It didn't wink off and then

598
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:25.440
turned back on. That was like us passing out and

599
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.800
then us reawakening again. So he thought we were abducted

600
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:34.719
by a UFO. So now he's like totally freaking out.

601
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.159
He's like, dude, I got to meet this duke. So

602
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:41.000
now I have three people that are seasons vet in

603
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:45.599
the paranormal that are wanting to know my story. So

604
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.119
my wife and I. We drove up into Phoenix from

605
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:51.599
the east side and May say to meet with these guys.

606
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.039
And we met with them. I told my stories, we

607
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:57.079
shared information, and we tried to keep in contact with

608
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:03.559
each other and and so on. So we moved back

609
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.719
to Thorn Bay from Arizona, and we're like to oh,

610
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.719
let's go home. Let's move back. You know, the kids,

611
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.559
you know, we just it's better for us to live

612
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:15.039
up there right now, and let's just go home. So

613
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:19.159
we're on our way back. Frank Soulis has no idea

614
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.119
that I'm moving back to Thorn Bay. I move up here,

615
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.480
and one of my best friends says, hey, man, until

616
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:28.280
you get your place, you can live with me. And

617
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.719
I was like, dude, I got four kids in my life.

618
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:33.559
Are you sure you could take six people. He's like, dude,

619
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:38.159
it's fine, man. We're homeboys, Dude, we're friends. I'm like, okay, man,

620
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.199
I go, we're coming. So we hopped on the ferry

621
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.679
out of Bellingham. We got to chech Acam, we got

622
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.159
on another ferry on that island in catch cat Alaska

623
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:50.440
over to Prince of Wells Island, and then we drove

624
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:54.400
right on into Thorn Bay. I wasn't in Thorn Bay

625
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:59.719
three days and my phone rings, cell phone back Frank.

626
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:03.159
So I'm like, what does this guy want? So I'm like, hey, Frank,

627
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:07.960
what's up, bro. He's like, hey man, I'm on Prince

628
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:11.519
of Wells Island. I'm like what He's like, Yeah, my

629
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:13.880
wife and I came down from Lostella. We just had

630
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:16.880
to see where you saw this bigfoot. We had to

631
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.880
see where you saw these lights in the sky. I

632
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.440
got guide your count I got radiation stuff. I got

633
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.400
you know, everything that you see on the TV shows

634
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:30.280
that they use for paranormal And he's like, my wife's

635
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.559
gonna do all the notes and she's gonna write stuff down.

636
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:36.280
We're gonna take interviews with you and whoever. So he

637
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.440
had no idea that I was in Florm Bay. He

638
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.519
was just traveling here and ends up here like within

639
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.639
three days after I have arrived. That in itself, to

640
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:50.519
me is almost paranormal. So I took Frank and his

641
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.400
wife up Deborah's her name up and she was mutual

642
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.480
UFO network also. So we went up to the hillside

643
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:00.239
and I was like, look right, here's where the light

644
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:02.639
came in. This is where the light was stopped over

645
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:04.840
the bay. You know, this is where we think it

646
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.960
winked off and turned back on. This is where it

647
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:09.800
was when we pulled the gun out on it. The

648
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:12.599
second time we pulled the gun out on it, and

649
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:14.480
I said, you know, right, here's the river bank. This

650
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.360
is where we saw Bigfoot when I was in eighth grade.

651
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.360
And they were totally awesome. They took pictures and they

652
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.039
chocked their Geiger calendar or whatever you call those things

653
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.880
and radiation stuff, and they were on top of it.

654
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.880
And since then, Frank Solis and I have been really

655
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:39.400
good friends and we've stayed in contact a lot. Most

656
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:42.679
of the pictures that I have in my book, they're

657
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:48.159
all daytime pictures except for I think too, but most

658
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.360
of them are just stuff I see. I take a

659
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.440
picture of it with my cell phone and I put

660
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:56.159
it in my book. I was not going to write

661
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.119
a book at all. I was just trying to jot

662
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:05.079
down time lines and my experiences. And my wife said, look,

663
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.159
you know, you should write this into a book of

664
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:13.000
short stories and just kind of share what you've been

665
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.480
in so as I was doing that, I started from

666
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.360
when I was a child all the way to adulthood.

667
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.679
And through that I learned that my grandparents had seen stuff,

668
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.599
and my mom and dad have seen things. Lots of

669
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:32.039
my aunt and uncles have seen stuff. And I started

670
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:34.840
putting it together and it's like, man, this is like generational.

671
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:40.119
My mom had a bigfoot encounter on the east side

672
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.639
I believe it was of Washington State, where she says

673
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.760
she had a three h eight and from the end

674
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.920
of the barrel to where the stock of the gun

675
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:53.840
starts was like eighteen inches and she said the bigfoot

676
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.760
prints in the snow were almost as big as her

677
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:02.599
gun burrel. And she was like, that's wild. Stories of

678
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.239
you know, my grandpa being freaked out thinking that there was,

679
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.519
you know, a ghost or something or a demon trying

680
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.320
to hold him at night. Why he slept at one

681
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.079
of his sister's homes. My grandma swears way, and my

682
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.840
grandma can't read or write. She's from West Virginia, and

683
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.639
she was telling me way, way way back when I

684
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.679
was maybe seventeen years old. And then this lady cannot

685
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.880
read or write, she's never been around any of those

686
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.719
kinds of things. And she said she saw the mothman.

687
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.119
And again, none of these things resonated with me, so

688
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:41.239
I started writing my book. And when I wrote my book,

689
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:45.599
I started looking up how far is it from Point Pleasant,

690
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.760
West Virginia to where my grandma was born and raised

691
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:53.159
in West Virginia, and by the birdflies, it's just a

692
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:55.719
few hours away. And I was like, man, you know,

693
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.440
and that timeline of her seeing it when she was

694
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:05.000
a little kid or a young women anyway, it could

695
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.119
have really been the same creature that people were calling mothman.

696
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.960
And so there's just it's weird. I don't think that

697
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:17.039
these creatures are in every family tree. Again, I think

698
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:21.199
they're generational. I also believe that when and I've said

699
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.360
this probably to you many times already, but when you

700
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.760
really are having a true experience with your loved ones

701
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.760
and you're really loving them and enjoying your time, I

702
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:37.400
think that these things come through, whether it's another vortex

703
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.960
or they just appear. And I think that's because there

704
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:44.639
themselves are pure at heart. You know, maybe they don't

705
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:48.639
know what it's like to have weird struggles or whatnot.

706
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:54.159
And in my book, I write things like, you know,

707
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:57.000
what is it if someone gets subducted, whether it's by

708
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.320
a bigfoot or aliens or whatever, it is. You know,

709
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:06.199
sometimes people are brought back, and that's what Dennis Johnson

710
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.480
and those guys thought that maybe we were abducted and

711
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.119
brought back. But what about those ones that go missing

712
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:14.159
for years and people just chalk it up to you know,

713
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.519
they drowned or a wolf got them or a bear.

714
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:20.320
Eighth m Yes, those things happened. But sometimes these things

715
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:24.079
happen to people and they're just gone. And that's where

716
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.079
the fear side comes in on my bet is, Man,

717
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.119
I don't want my kids messed with. I don't want

718
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:34.039
that kind of stuff. And my kids themselves see things

719
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.280
sometimes we see them together. And in my book, I

720
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:42.719
also have pictures of what they call black pillows that

721
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.440
were floating right above our swimming pool in Arizona. And

722
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:50.199
this was right before I met Vennish and Frank Soulis

723
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:55.079
in Phoenix. So again, I mean when they asked, hey, man,

724
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.199
when was the last time you had your encounter, I

725
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.320
was like, like Tuesday, And they're like what. I'm like, yeah, dude,

726
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.079
Like I see these things all the time, and so

727
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.519
it just, you know, never stopped. And when I wrote

728
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:11.960
my book, it literally took me about a year to

729
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.880
finish it and I wrote it. My wife helped me

730
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:22.800
with the timelines and stuff, and it was therapeutic. And

731
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.559
since then, there's a few places on the island that

732
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:29.599
I just don't like to go. One of them is

733
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:33.000
Gradley Creek, and it's on the Thorn River. Now. I

734
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:36.440
live on south side of Thorn Bay now, so I

735
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.440
have to cross over the Thorn River Bridge, and then

736
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:41.880
I have to cross over Falls Creek, and then I

737
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:45.840
have to pass over Graveley Creek Bridge to get to town.

738
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:47.880
So if I want to check the mail, or go

739
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.480
to the grocery store or get gas, I have to

740
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.920
literally drive right by where I saw bitchfit every day.

741
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.800
And on this island, I've been to the mountaintops, I've

742
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:03.400
been in the valleys. I've been all over hunting, hiking, fishing, camping.

743
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:08.639
Nothing bugs me really. It just seems okay that every

744
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:13.480
time I go into Graveley Creek I get creeped out.

745
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:15.599
Even right now, like if I were going to go

746
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.360
walk down Gravelly Creek, I've grabbed my gun. I don't

747
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:21.800
go down there without some kind of a weapon anymore.

748
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.320
I just don't. Ever since I was in eighth grade,

749
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.679
every time we go down through there, I get freaked out.

750
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.039
And my kids want to go swimming on the Thorn

751
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.159
River all summer long. Like, when we go swimming, it's fine,

752
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:36.920
but when we get close to the Gravelly Creek area,

753
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.920
I just start getting quiet. I start getting freaked out,

754
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.960
and I don't like it. We had a lady in

755
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.400
our church, and this would be Craig, Alaska, which is

756
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.679
like forty five miles away from Thorn Bay on the

757
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.880
other side of the island. Then one day after church

758
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.639
we were chatting and I said, hey, and I won't

759
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.400
name her name, but I said, hey, have you ever

760
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.400
been to Gravey And she's like, yeah, I go. Have

761
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.599
you ever felt anything weird? And I wasn't trying to

762
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:07.519
lead her into anything. I wanted her to tell me,

763
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.440
and she said yeah, She's like, every time I go

764
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.079
to Gravelly Creek, I feel weird. And I said, when

765
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.559
you go down the trail from where you park at

766
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:20.480
going into the river, which side of the trail freaks

767
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.840
you out? In my mind, I know it's the left

768
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:27.320
because that's where our camp was, that's where we saw

769
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:29.880
this bigfoot creature. And she automatically right in front of

770
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.119
my father, who happened to be the pastor of this church,

771
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:37.280
she says to the left, and she had no idea

772
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.000
any of this bigfoot stuff. She had no idea that

773
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:43.840
I had saw it. Sasquatch YETI Kushtika whatever you want

774
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:49.679
to call them, harry Man, and I looked right out

775
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.840
my wife like see. And this lady was a Native American,

776
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:56.519
also part of the clink at Heida tribes here on

777
00:49:56.559 --> 00:50:02.840
our island. And so through that we started interviewing all

778
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:07.920
kinds of people in sister city of Arcisisan, and there

779
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:10.239
was plenty of people over there that had which is

780
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:14.440
right down the street from where I saw Bigfoot, and

781
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.119
they were telling me how they see a family of

782
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:22.119
Bigfoot one time. Some lady got taken a long long

783
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:27.559
time ago, and they believed that Bigfoot took her. I

784
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:31.000
think as close as twenty ten, they had to shut

785
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.679
the school down because the family of Bigfoot walked through

786
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:38.039
and freak galve the kids out. And I don't remember

787
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:43.400
the exact timeframe, but over in Kullak, which is another

788
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.679
Native village on an Island, they had to shut down

789
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:53.239
a giant mill for a couple of days because somebody

790
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:56.000
had seen a bigfoot in there and it got so

791
00:50:56.159 --> 00:51:00.119
crazy and so adamant that the workers out there, the

792
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.480
loggers and the mill workers there were like, you, we

793
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:08.519
saw this bigfoot that it enticed. I forget the name

794
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:10.519
of the show, but it's a bigfit show that came up,

795
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:13.199
that comes up. And they actually did a whole interview

796
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.039
on the island about some of the guys here that

797
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.840
had seen those things. I wasn't a part of that interview,

798
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:19.719
and I was not a part of the show, but

799
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.320
I used to work at that same meal, and I

800
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:26.679
was just you know, all those things came about and

801
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.880
make you start wondering and thinking, man, you know what

802
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:35.679
is going on? And so yeah, my book was therapeutic

803
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.239
for me. My kids loved the book. They've read it

804
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.559
a couple of times. All their friends have read it.

805
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:46.360
There's been a few people here in town that were like, dude,

806
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.639
I can't believe you wrote a book, and they went

807
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.559
and bought it and then they were like, dude, you

808
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:56.599
know that's so cool that you see these things. And again,

809
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.760
when you live in a small town, I think there's

810
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:01.400
only like maybe three hundred fifty maybe four hundred people

811
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:06.840
in Thorn Bay now today, so I would say probably

812
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.360
more than half of those people I know personally, and

813
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.119
we're a tight knit and so a lot of these

814
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.800
people have heard my story growing up and maybe had

815
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.880
just kind of forgotten about it until I wrote my

816
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.679
book and then it brought back some of their own thoughts.

817
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:32.920
But yeah, I mean everything a Norththorn bridge, I had

818
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.519
pulled up there one day and set out and I

819
00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:39.079
just clapped my hands really loud, just clop clop, clap,

820
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.079
and I had a response. It sounded like a tree

821
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:46.840
notch right around the corner, and it was just you know,

822
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:48.800
it makes the hair stand up on your head or

823
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:53.239
you're like, that is wild. But again, I don't think

824
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.800
it happens to everybody. I don't really feel that you

825
00:52:56.920 --> 00:53:00.480
have to be Native American to experience these things, even

826
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:05.239
though I do know that, you know, to the Native

827
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.800
plan it's not myth you know, I didn't call it

828
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:13.760
the theological out. It's the mythical owl. But in a

829
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.000
lot of our native cultures, they're just they're there. They're

830
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.639
not looked at as taboo or false. They're looked at

831
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:23.079
as just what it is, and that's just part of it.

832
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:29.559
You got to watch out for them. Bigfoot is is

833
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.000
the man of the woods, is the female of the woods,

834
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:39.000
is the caretaker of the woods. So yeah, those things

835
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.840
just resonate and through that it helped me write my book.

836
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:49.840
And like I said, doctor or Frank Solis, the Mutual UFO,

837
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.239
he got a hold of my friend David, and David

838
00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:54.079
told him the same things. It was like, yeah, man,

839
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:56.480
my buddy topped this owl, and yeah we saw these

840
00:53:56.559 --> 00:54:00.880
lights and and then that entire me to go ahead

841
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:02.400
and write the book. And I'm like, you know what,

842
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:05.880
I got to do this And so that's basically it

843
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.039
in a nutshell for for what I've seen. And then

844
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.719
but uh, in my book, I describe it probably way

845
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:16.000
better because I had time to actually really think about

846
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:22.400
it and use more descriptive words. But but yeah.

847
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:26.639
Nick, that'sn't That whole account is incredible. The whole story

848
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:31.480
is just so amazing. You know, I do have some

849
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:34.679
some questions and and things to ask you here, if

850
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:39.599
that's all right, sure, I would imagine do you have

851
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.719
a picture of the Bigfoot replica in this book as well?

852
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:48.119
No, I do not. I drew a picture of what

853
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.280
I see, but I didn't I did not have a

854
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.880
picture of the of the little Bunny thing that I

855
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:56.000
had made. Okay, I did not do bottles.

856
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:58.880
Do you have a picture of that at all?

857
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:00.760
No?

858
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:04.679
Oh man, I can only imagine that must have looked amazing.

859
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:09.679
I want to ask a little bit specifically about the

860
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:14.400
sighting that you had of the female by the river.

861
00:55:16.760 --> 00:55:21.760
So you had said seventy five feet away, right, yeah, roughly, okay,

862
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.920
So to put that to perspective for listeners, that is

863
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.519
just over the length of a standard bowling alley, I believe.

864
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:37.840
So we're talking very close, extremely close. Curious if you

865
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:41.559
remember any details about the face at all. Do you

866
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:47.119
remember how the eyes looked, if they had whites around

867
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:49.320
the pupils or if they were all just one color.

868
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:55.760
Oh? On, it looked really dark, so all around the

869
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:00.320
eyebrows and by the cheek bones, the eyes to be

870
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:04.320
sunken in a lot, and so the browl was almost

871
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.199
like a like a baseball cap over its eyes if

872
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:09.559
you will, not that it sticks out that far. But yeah,

873
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:12.840
it was super dark, and I don't remember seeing any

874
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:17.159
whites in its eyes. It was really just dark, like

875
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:20.880
the whole eyeball took up or the whole pupil part,

876
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:23.400
the color part of the eye took up all of

877
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:27.400
the whiteness, gotcha?

878
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:31.920
Were there any ears visible or anything? I thought.

879
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:38.239
Ears? Let me think, yeah, maybe on the because it

880
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.480
was too and we saw the right of it, so

881
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.000
kind of you could kind of see an ear, But

882
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.280
I don't remember anything sticking out like you or I.

883
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:50.960
It would have been like stuck within the fur, makes sense.

884
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:56.880
The chest kind of looked dark brownish black, and you

885
00:56:56.920 --> 00:56:59.360
could kind of see breasts on this thing.

886
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:05.000
Gotcha. A lot of witnesses will say, you know, it's

887
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:09.519
covered with hair, but you can see muscles under the fur.

888
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:12.280
Is that kind of what we're talking about there?

889
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:18.280
Right? You could see down the side of her back.

890
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:21.320
You could see where the fur was really thick and

891
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:26.719
darker right down the spine, and then some of the

892
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:31.280
thigh had a huge muscle difference between the front part

893
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:33.119
of the thigh and the back part of the thigh.

894
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:36.280
You could see that there was alignment, and that was

895
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:41.280
like very descriptive, like do this thing has muscle? You know?

896
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:43.719
It's wild.

897
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:47.960
Did you notice any details about the nose at all?

898
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:56.079
The nose was kind of turned up, It didn't stick

899
00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:58.559
out very far at all from the face. It kind

900
00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:02.719
of was pushed in and it had lots of wrinkles,

901
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.719
went down by the mouth, kind of like when people

902
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.400
would draw a funny cartoon of a pig back in

903
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:18.360
the late eighties, you know, but major dark glistened between

904
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.480
a reddish and brown.

905
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:22.719
At any point, did you see teeth at all?

906
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:28.440
No, sir, I did not see teeth. She stood straight

907
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.039
up from a squat in position, so feet were flat,

908
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:36.239
and her booty would have been almost setting on its calfs,

909
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:41.559
and it just stood straight up, shoulders to the side,

910
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:44.840
arms to the side, and as it walked, it walked

911
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:47.519
like you and I just arms would stride with the

912
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:53.280
legs and it went straight through the river. Wow.

913
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:00.599
Growing up in that school out there, did their kids

914
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.400
have report sightings of things as well? Or was yours

915
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:06.679
the only one that you really remembered.

916
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:11.480
In my school? I can't really remember anybody else except

917
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:14.880
for one other guy. And he saw siding about six

918
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:18.880
miles from where I saw mine. But when he reported

919
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:21.159
it or was talking about it, he was young. He

920
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:24.639
was maybe about nineteen, so he had just graduated. He

921
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.159
saw it between here and Cassan, which is the native

922
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:28.079
village close to us.

923
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:34.239
Gotcha, which is about is about what twenty twenty five miles, I.

924
00:59:34.480 --> 00:59:36.679
Would say, yeah, maybe thirty would be tops.

925
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:42.719
Okay, gotcha. So I remember you said your dad's reaction

926
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.599
when you told what happened was he got some of

927
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:52.079
his buddies or co workers. They ran off with weapons

928
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:53.800
to try to find it.

929
00:59:53.800 --> 01:00:00.639
Correct, mister, dad totally knew that I was. We were

930
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:02.880
freaked out. He could see the look on our faces

931
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:06.840
of all of us young men. And again, you grew

932
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.159
up here, you hunt a lot, so you see bears.

933
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:11.320
He knew that I was not looking at a bear.

934
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:16.360
Absolutely. You also mentioned that your your dad was a

935
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:17.400
minister as well.

936
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.920
Yes, sir, still is what what.

937
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:27.360
Was his reaction to what was being seen on this

938
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.079
island as a minister.

939
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:36.000
His reaction was, you know the Bible sites that you know,

940
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:39.599
there's sights and wonders that we can't explain. And he

941
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:43.519
totally bought into it. He totally believes in Bigfoot and UFO.

942
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:44.639
I love that.

943
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.159
I love that dude.

944
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:52.960
That's amazing, right. And again when I when I explained

945
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:55.320
to him that when you're at true at heart, that

946
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:59.159
these things arrive and and that again kind of goes

947
01:00:59.199 --> 01:01:01.960
with the biblical sense of you know, if you really

948
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:06.599
are who you are, and you're fine with it. Why

949
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:12.039
not invite these things? You know? I don't know how

950
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:14.880
to describe it. It's weird, man. It's like it's almost

951
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.519
like whatever these creatures are know when you're at true

952
01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:21.400
bliss and they just want to be a part of it.

953
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:26.199
And it's almost like, oh, man, you've got are having

954
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:27.639
so much fun, and I want to be a part

955
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:29.119
of their party. I want to be a part of

956
01:01:29.119 --> 01:01:33.760
that action. But then when they're spotted, the reaction that

957
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.079
we give them is not the response that they want.

958
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.840
Instead of hanging out with them, we get kind of

959
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:42.960
worried and like, no man, and we leave. And that's

960
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.559
almost like a biblical sense of somebody trying to have

961
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:48.440
a lot of fun and saying, but I have leprosy

962
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.599
and I can't hang out with you. Right.

963
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:51.639
Wow.

964
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:52.960
So it's weird.

965
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:58.800
Such a such a unique way of looking at it.

966
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:01.840
It's very very different than a lot of other things

967
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.559
that I've heard on the show so far. But I mean,

968
01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:08.599
this topic has so so many different ways of looking

969
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:12.960
at this phenomenon and what it is and why it's

970
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.400
drawn to us. A lot of people will say it's

971
01:02:15.440 --> 01:02:18.320
because of traumatic events, but to hear what you've said

972
01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:23.320
something completely different and kind of refreshing as well. I

973
01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:27.119
noticed in the areas that you mentioned, which would be

974
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:33.000
Thorn Bay, Cassan, Klowok, and Craig, those are really if

975
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.800
you look at it on a map, I mean, they're

976
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:38.719
pretty they're across the island, but they're not too far

977
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:41.199
away from each other. I mean, Klowok and Craig are

978
01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:45.079
not too far in Thorn Bay and Cassan. So I

979
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:50.039
guess my question is do most of the sightings and

980
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:54.920
accounts of sasquatch on this island happened in that area

981
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.119
or there are other things you've heard from like, let's

982
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:02.519
say the far north of the island as well.

983
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:06.239
Well, that's a good question. So you would think that

984
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:09.119
most people would see bigfoot in these things in the

985
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:13.199
woods when they're way out hunting or camping or hiking

986
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:16.639
and fishing and really, really really with the enemies. I mean,

987
01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:20.280
we're already in rural Alaska, but to get way out,

988
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:24.079
you would think that that's when they would see them.

989
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:26.840
But it's weird. It's like they almost see them within

990
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.320
two or three miles of town, sometimes literally right in camp.

991
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.400
The meal that they saw in Killock. It's a huge

992
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:39.280
mill that's a big lumber mill, and lots of saws,

993
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:43.519
lots of forklifts, lots of big machinery, lots of logging

994
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:46.400
trucks coming and going. So to have one walk right

995
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:50.039
through the mill yard where people are working and talking

996
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:53.360
in broad daylight so much that they shut the middle down,

997
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.239
that's just crazy. You know, It's like whoa, you know, like,

998
01:03:57.320 --> 01:04:01.360
if they're that comfortable to get that close to society,

999
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:06.119
it's almost it's just it's kind of freaking. Oh. Absolutely.

1000
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.199
And I was just thinking of the other story that

1001
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:11.840
you shared where it was a family that went into

1002
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:13.679
a school and the school was shut down.

1003
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:18.719
Yeah, I heard that from the chief at the time

1004
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.880
of Cassanne. So he was he had a dinner at

1005
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:26.119
our house. He went to church with my parents and

1006
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.480
we had a potla dinner at my house after church,

1007
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:31.880
and he just started telling about a bunch of those

1008
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:34.920
kinds of stories. And you can see in his eyes,

1009
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.159
I mean, this guy believes in the Lord. He goes

1010
01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:41.639
to church. But also he wasn't at all fearful about saying,

1011
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:46.880
but look, these things happened in my village. And I

1012
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:49.840
think my parents were okay with that, because my mom

1013
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:54.039
had her encounter on eastern Washington way before I was

1014
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:57.119
born and way before my sister was born. But again,

1015
01:04:57.199 --> 01:04:59.039
none of those things were really told to us till

1016
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:02.280
after I started talking about my experiences.

1017
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:08.559
Absolutely, you know a question for you because well, actually

1018
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:10.760
I want to comment real quick, so I don't forget.

1019
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:14.239
First off, the show you are trying to remember the

1020
01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:17.119
name of that's Expedition Bigfoot. So if people are wanting to,

1021
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:20.440
you know, look into that, just look up Expedition Bigfoot

1022
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.000
and there's a season I believe about Alaska. Also, doctor

1023
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:27.840
Robert Alli, I've met two times. He's an amazing individual.

1024
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.920
He's got a few books out about southeast Alaska. People

1025
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.000
should go check those out and get some copies. Amazing

1026
01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:39.760
encounters in there as well. But I guess one of

1027
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:45.079
my last questions for you would be, and you have

1028
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.599
a really interesting way of looking at things because of

1029
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:53.119
your background. So when you think of what you saw

1030
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:59.760
and what's reported are you are you thinking of the

1031
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:04.840
individuals more as you know, some kind of ape or

1032
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:08.440
some kind of human or is it something completely different

1033
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:09.599
that we have going on here?

1034
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:18.920
You know, I would say that it's it's it's man,

1035
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.639
it's all of those, and it's it's all of those

1036
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:25.559
in itself and individually. And at the same time, it's

1037
01:06:25.559 --> 01:06:27.960
weird because you could say, yes, I do believe it's

1038
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:31.239
some kind of an ape. I do not believe that

1039
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.679
it's some kind of ancestry human of any kind that

1040
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:38.280
had been lost and has it evolved. I don't really

1041
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:43.039
believe that way. And again, when you see these weird

1042
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.360
lights around, it could be that it's some kind of

1043
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:50.280
an alien creature that gets put down to do whatever

1044
01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:54.960
for a while and then gets taken back in a ship,

1045
01:06:55.239 --> 01:06:58.760
or it just walks through another vortex or another dimension.

1046
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:04.639
H that we just yet to figure out how to

1047
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:09.519
get into our chap into. Uh. That's why I honestly

1048
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.599
believe that when you're at true at heart, I think

1049
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:17.480
that's when you're the most absceptable or if you will

1050
01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:20.719
to the good. They're mentioned being opened or your own

1051
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:25.679
vortexas in your own your own core spirit open instead

1052
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:28.079
of you know, being so segregated.

1053
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:32.440
That's a that's a cool way way to put it.

1054
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.599
But what a great conversation. I do want to talk

1055
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:37.960
to listeners for a bit. If there are people that

1056
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:41.840
have been listening to this episode. Uh usually the Prince

1057
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:45.840
of Wales Island ones really draw in new listeners. If

1058
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:49.559
you know about these accounts that were told, or maybe

1059
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.480
you're someone that was involved with them, please reach out.

1060
01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:54.800
I would love to talk to you and make sure

1061
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:59.000
that your account is documented properly to help other people

1062
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.039
as well. You can reach a Big for Society at

1063
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:07.320
gmail dot com. But Nick, it has been such such

1064
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:10.159
a privilege to have someone like yourself on the show

1065
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.559
who has a wealth of knowledge. I noticed your book

1066
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.280
is on Amazon. Is that the best way that you

1067
01:08:15.320 --> 01:08:17.640
would prefer people to get a copy of that or

1068
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:18.439
is there another way?

1069
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.840
I believe that's the only way, Yes.

1070
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:26.359
Sir, awesome, So guys, I will I will make sure

1071
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:30.840
to have a link for Nick's book down in the

1072
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:34.079
show notes or description wherever you're listening a Mythical Owl

1073
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:39.399
and please check that out. You can get you know,

1074
01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:43.159
a hard paper copy, or you can get kindled copy.

1075
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.840
And yeah, just you know, I can't wait to get

1076
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.520
one myself. I purposely held off because I wanted to

1077
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:51.680
hear it directly from Nick first, but I can't wait

1078
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:55.319
to go and read it as well. But Nick, thank

1079
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:58.800
you so much for coming on the show today. Any

1080
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:03.319
other closing before we end our time together today.

1081
01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:08.479
Jeremiah, I just want everybody out there to understand that,

1082
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.680
you know, it's not about keeping your eyes peeled in

1083
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:15.439
the woods and trying to find those things. I think

1084
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:20.760
that if you really are loving the people around you,

1085
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:23.600
that these things will appear to you instead of you

1086
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.520
having to try to find them. It's a whole different

1087
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:29.720
fishing game when you do it that way. I think

1088
01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:32.960
that when we look for things, we miss all the

1089
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:35.840
other opportunities that are out there, or we miss the

1090
01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.760
steps of success because we're skipping stones to try to

1091
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:42.199
to try to make something happen when you should just

1092
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:46.279
live your best life. And then these things just start

1093
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:55.199
adding to you as a gift. And it's really these

1094
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:58.520
creatures can look right into your soul. You know a

1095
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:00.159
lot of people say the same thing when and they

1096
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:03.960
see a wolf for the first time in the wild, like, wow,

1097
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:06.520
you know, it looked like it was looking directly into

1098
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.760
my soul. And I honestly believe that that's part of

1099
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:13.239
it is. It's not about trying to hunt for a bigfoot.

1100
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:17.079
It's trying to be the best you. And then these

1101
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:17.960
things will arrive.

1102
01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:22.159
Man, I love that. Such a such a great way

1103
01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.359
to look at it. But you know, Nick, thank you

1104
01:10:24.399 --> 01:10:28.079
so much for coming on the show. Definitely. If there's

1105
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:31.079
ever any updates, feel free to reach out. You can

1106
01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:33.640
send me an email. But thanks so much for chatting today.

1107
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:39.359
Man. Thanks Jeremiah and all you Big FOOTA researchers out there,

1108
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:43.279
just keep up the good work. It will happen one

1109
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:44.640
day that we find the truth.

1110
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:48.479
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

1111
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:51.119
for listening to this episode of the Big for Society podcast.

1112
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:53.600
Nick's story sticks with you not just because of what

1113
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:55.439
came out of the water, but because of how it

1114
01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:58.079
echoed through the rest of his life, from a single

1115
01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:00.119
moment by the water to lights in the sky to

1116
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:02.640
a white owl waiting on the back of his car.

1117
01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:06.520
It's huge thanks to Nick for sharing those powerful and

1118
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:10.079
mysterious experiences from Prince of Wales Island, and for reminding

1119
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:13.119
us that sometimes when we're at our most joyful, that's

1120
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:16.359
when the veil between worlds gets the thinness. If you

1121
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:19.199
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1128
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1129
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1130
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1131
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1139
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1140
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:28.199
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1141
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:30.800
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1142
01:12:30.840 --> 01:12:32.560
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