Nov. 1, 2025

When Goliath Walked Right Up to Him! | Kentucky

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Season 1

What happens when a U.S. Army veteran follows a trail of massive footprints into a Kentucky river valley—and finds himself face-to-face with something not supposed to exist?



In this gripping and deeply unsettling episode, we sit down with Tom Shay, a seasoned Bigfoot researcher with 38 years in the field. From his first sighting in 1987 along the Ohio River near Carrollton, Kentucky, to being surrounded by violent, unseen creatures in the woods of Henry County, Tom recounts chilling encounters with “Goliath”—a 9.5-foot Sasquatch with matted red fur and a stare that paralyzes.



You’ll hear stories from Fort Campbell, Milton and beyond —tales of perfect prints, pounding chests, and the night he thought he wouldn’t make it out alive. This is not just another campfire story. It’s one of the most detailed field reports ever shared on Bigfoot Society.



If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to have a Sasquatch breathe down your neck—this is the episode for you.

Tom's FB group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/488381544566776

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to mister Tom Shay today.

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Tom is a bigfoot researcher down there from the state

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of Kentucky. He has been researching the subject for thirty

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eight years and currently has the largest collection of unique

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bigfoot casts east of the Mississippi River, all that have

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been casted by him specifically, and I do also know

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that his work has been validated by people such as

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Cliff Barrickman and the late doctor Jeff Meldrum. I've seen

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some of his collection in person, and they are incredible

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to see. If you ever get the chance to see

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them in person, I would definitely recommend it. Tom, thank

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you so much for coming on the show today, sir.

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How are you?

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Oh fine? And I'm honored to be.

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Here, absolutely, sir. Whenever I talked to researchers on the show,

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I love to start out with what was it that

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first got you into the Bigfoot subject?

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To begin with, I first got into it was my

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first sighting.

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Oh okay, all right, so let's yeah, let's go right

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into it.

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Nineteen eighty seven, I was stationed at Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

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I had to leave time cured and I decided to

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come home and see my parents. Like a week here.

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I got here, I spend a couple of days. I

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had a next girlfriend called me up as I heard

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you in town. Can you come up and we'll go

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aad and do something to night and have some sun

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and if we go back, I said sure, I'll be

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up for this afternoon, pick you up and stuff. I

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got cleaned up and everything, and it started up the

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US thirty six Highway thirty six and now that's along

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the Ohio River from Milton, Kentucky to Carleton, Kentucky and

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rock across the Rivers, Indiana, Madison, Indiana. Now, a lot

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of people need to understand that in nineteen eighty seven,

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this small community around here closed up at five thirty

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and there was nobody on the roads that time. So

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it's a late in the afternoon. It's in October about

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like it is right now, and we're having some eighty

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eighty five degree weather. At that time, it was an

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unusually warm October. And so I'm driving my way all

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my way up to Carl the Kentucky and seen that girl,

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and I noticed this gentleman I thought was a gentleman

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up on the side of the road. It wasn't. I

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was kind of confused because this thing had a this

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person had a fur coat on, and I'm trying to

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figure out why this guy got a fur coat on

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the age five degrees out. So when I get it closed,

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I slowed down and I'm looking out the passenger winda

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addy and I'm really not knowing understanding what I'm seeing.

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This is a large cherry person. After I passed and

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I sped up a little bit, turned around, come back,

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pulled off the side of the road, and actually got

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out of the car and followed it down into the

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field along the river. There after I crossed. And the

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reason I did that is because I had to understand

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what I saw. I'm getting, I'm getting ground on it

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and stuff like that, and it turned around on me

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real quick and it snarled crowd and at that time

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Era I knew it was time to go back to

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the car. I went back to my parents' house, told

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me parents thought I'd been drinking that Mom and Dad

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I just left the house. I said, I ain't been

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gone maybe ten minutes. And so I went back to

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my room and there and I sat down and I'm

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trying to figure the things out. And my dad comes

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in and says, you're going up there to see your girlfriend.

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I said, Dad, I ain't going nowhere. I said, I'm

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just a little too shook up right now. And I said, okay.

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Left it at that. My parents didn't believe in things

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like that, and I really didn't hear growing up. But

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after that I went back to the Fort Campbell and

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all that time I started digesting everything about the big

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Foot phenomenon, reaching out to other researchers and reading books

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and trying to get anything I can. And one of

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the biggest things was at that trimary researchers would not

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share or want to talk or discuss anything to anybody else.

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It was also crypti secretive. Everybody was afraid of you

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just want to take their their line life away. When

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I started researching and I decided, you know what, I'm

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going to start everything I find out, I'm going to

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share with everybody, I don't care. And ever since then,

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that's what I've been doing, is share information anything. Now.

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I don't know it all. I'm not an expert, but

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I am. I am a seasoned researcher. That's one of

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the biggest things that I have right here. I like

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to help other researchers get started.

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Tom, That's great. What a way to start things off

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for you seeing what you saw that October by the

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Ohio River. My goodness, how tall? How tall was what

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you saw?

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To be totally honest, I really couldn't be honest with

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you about it. I just knowed it was huge. Honestly,

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I had a lot of things going on in my

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mind it this time of trying to figure things out,

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and I just know it was huge. It was wider

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than I was. And I remember, I do remember because

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I'm telling this story and everything's coming back, and I can.

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See the smells and everything for that day, I remember

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I was had to look up up.

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At it in the face.

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Gotcha. Listeners will know. Just in case someone's not following

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the map of citing encounters that I have on Big

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for Society podcast dot com, I want to point out

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that this area that you're talking about is just across

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the river from southern Indiana that has really come up

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on the show quite a bit. If you've heard the

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episode about Floyd Knobs Austin Bottoms, that's the area of Indiana,

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but across the river a little bit to the west

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of where Carrollton is. It looks like it's a little

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bit further southwest. But tom after you had this encounter

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and then you start looking and researching into things. So

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was that the thing that pushed you over one hundred

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percent into Okay, now I'm going to start going out

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there all the time. Or were you still at the

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point where you're like, you know what, I'm not quite

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sure that I want to go out there and start

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looking all the time into this.

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Yet at that time where I needed to know what

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I was, I looked at what I saw There was

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a blank spot there. I saw something that shouldn't be there,

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crawling up your tout with evolutions. Staff were not as

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humans here. There's nothing else on here. You just got

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your cow, your beer and stuff like that. There's not

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a type of humanoid creature around here. So from my

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own state of mind, I had to find out what

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I was, what I saw, what I had witnessed.

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So you start going out on this really quest figure

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out what it is that you saw. You were talking

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to other people, you were reading books. But then did

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you also start to go into these areas to start

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to see if you could find this creature again?

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Yes? Yeah, Well I was in the service when I

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had a lot of time, I could get some a

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week off and leave or something like that. I would

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hop a military flat and go out to worshy State, California, Oregon, Oklahoma,

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a couple of times, Arkansas. Get some stuff in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan.

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It's really good work up in Michigan around Grayland. This

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some stuff in Georgia, but it wasn't long term stuff.

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I was there like three or four days and got

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to feel the place.

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That's interesting. Did you have any things that happened to

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you in that section of the Pacific Northwest, like your Washington, Oregon,

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northern California. Did anything happen to you when you would

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go out there, Well.

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I had some things that happened, but I couldn't say

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for sure that it was bigfoot related because I didn't

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see it and I couldn't explain what happened. I heard

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sounds and stuff like that. Just because you hear something

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in the woods doesn't mean it's a big foot absolutely.

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So you mentioned this Graylan, Michigan area. What was it

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that happened up there specifically?

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I really don't want to talk about that right now,

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So I talk to the people I was with. Sure,

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I promised them I wouldn't say too much of about it,

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But I have been working up in that area. If

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there's a military inslation up there, a proving ground like

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Oka area, okay, up around that area there, so.

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Yeah, we can definitely we'll put to the side, no

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problem at all. So, Tom, you're traveling around the US,

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it sounds like you're checking out the specific areas that

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you know are good. You're having things that might be

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considered encounters, but you're you're not having maybe visuals like

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out in the Pacific Northwest. Was there a time then

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where you finally broke through and you're like, oh, I

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was able to have another sighting or have something happened

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within a shadow of a doubt. Okay, I'm here experiencing

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this creature again.

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When I got out of the service, the traveling thing stopped.

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I focused my research locally. I went to the Sheriff's department,

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I went to the library. Actually, historians in your town,

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if you have a historical society, you can look up

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like here in my county. In nineteen sixty two, there

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was an outbreak of a big foot type creature that

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was terrorizing the county. They call it the thing or

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the Bedford beast. It looked in windows, It harassed people,

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It took hogs that killed a calf, livestock. It got

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so bad that the sheriff formed a posse, a hunting posse,

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and the state police joined in. There was a hunting

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group out of Louisville TV station, so it hit the ap.

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This happened for about thirty days, and then after the

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big hunt, I had it cornered back here and we

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had what they call the Limestone Caves along the river

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bank here. One part of the hill I had up

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in the area, but they didn't find it. And right

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after all that happened, it died down. And then periodically

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over the years more people had seen things have happened here,

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and it maybe want to maybe I just stay in

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my own little county here, so if we had all

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this stuff going on, maybe find out if there's anything

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else going on here in this county. I established myself

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here and a lot of people know who I am

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and what I do, and if they have that encounter,

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they will contact me. Or if they know somebody who

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mentioned something about an odd thing happening, I said, why

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don't you go talk to that man, Tom Shay. He

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lives black Blah Black. And I get people here all

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the time talking to me. So I had a homeowner

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that thought he saw a bear and it was right

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next to my farm, right across the road from my farm,

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And can I go back in and look around with it?

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He goes there, go ahead. So I went back in

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and looked around, and I was righting beflour with him

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and going along the access road. Now this was like

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in twenty fourteen, and I come across these fresh tracks

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that had crossed over this access road, and they were

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perfect man, like you said you saw on the ford,

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these were perfect prints. And I'm excited, and I'm sitting

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down there, and I'm a guy that likes to sit

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down and note everything about everything that's going on, because

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you've got to do that. You got to note every surroundings,

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the vegetation, the temperatures, the airspeed, what type of terrain substrate.

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And I'll get about that here in a little bit.

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But anyway, I've got here and I'm checking these tracks

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out and I'm measuring, and i'm documenting, and I get

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ready to start casting, and I carry a handgun I

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always do out in the woods. Not because I'm afraid

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of a big pot of there like that. It's I've

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actually walked up on homeless people in the woods. You

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just don't know what you're going to come up against

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the woods. To other people, that's the one thing. And

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most of you know that if you got something on

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your belt and everything you're trying to cast, it get

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in your way all the time. So I took it

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off and put it on a four wheeler and it's

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thirty thirty yards away for thirty feet thirty thirty speed

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and I'm down here on my knees and I'm getting

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ready to pour this casting material and I got a

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whipp something. Oh lord, this thinks man's like some little

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sefty take. And I had to look up and this

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thing had still been in the area and had come back,

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and it was on the other side of my four

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wheeler looking at me. And I sat there and looked

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at it while it looked at me, and it appeared

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like it was hours, but it was only seconds. And

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I tried to figure out what am I going to do?

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Am I going to make a dash for my four

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whether and get my handgun or just set here? And

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I decided I was just gonna sit there and watch

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it because I figured that there's no way I make

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it time. But like I said, it was just seconds,

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but it seemed like an eternity. They lost interest in me,

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sniffed the air, you know, looked up the air, sniffed, grunted,

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and started off down the ridge. And I had a

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habit of just strimming phones in the field, and my

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wife got me a cell phone, a slip phone, cheapy,

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and at this time here I took the phone out

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and hit video and I'm actually walking behind it videotaping

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it and I'm not paying attention. Yeah, I mean, my

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focus is on it, but I'm after the phone up

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and I'm recording. So after it went over the ridge

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and disappeared, I jumped on the foe where I left

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everything from a wood and went back to the to

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my home, went to the house and my wife knew

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I had. I was excited so scause you got something

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on your phone. Yeah, And I downloaded on the computer

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so I can watch it. And as soon as it

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came up, my wife says, that was the best share

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to ever bought. You. In the confusion, I had actually

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reversed the camera and was spending myself while I was

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following it. Now I tell people this part, and it's funny.

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It wasn't funny then, but I had big alligator cares

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of my eyes. But I tell people this because in

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the heat of the moment, things happen. You don't think,

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and I wasn't thinking. Uh, you just tell people, Tell

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other researchers this because they can learn from my mistake.

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Maybe they'll get the photo or the video, they'll calm

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down a little bit. But there's been other occasions where

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me and my team have seen them, and we sit

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there and watch them for a couple of minutes. And

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the next thing was nobody decided to take out a phone.

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Why because we're too immersed and we're looking at what

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we're seeing. That's that's it.

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Wow, Tom, that's yeah. I cannot imagine going through that.

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How far away was it from you when you were

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filming it?

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It was a little bit further away for me. It

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wasn't as as it was bottom four wheelers.

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I got some distance, gotcha.

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I would say about eighty feet maybe foot.

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Yeah, that's still all right. How big were the tracks?

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It was leaving.

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Eighteen and a half inches And these are the ones

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we called Goliath? Can we seeing the other times in

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that same areage? Actually on my farm, it's pond. There's

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a big footprint, two big footprints that we got it

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by the bank, and a big handprint. And what we

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think was it stopped there at the pond and squad

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it put one hand down and was drinking from the pond.

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And I chasted that one of the prints in one

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of the hands.

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So how big a cross? Remind me? Because I know

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I've seen these, but it's been a few years. How

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big across is your hand cast of Cliath.

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It's really huge, But you've got to understand something. There's

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a lot of exaggeration because of the silk that didn't

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put its hand down. It was the damage to weight

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and dispersed out, and it maybe it looked like it

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were a giant, but it really ain't. It really 't

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that big. The hand is really not that big. It's

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just the damage did when it's silk, and it was

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the weight, thespersal of the substrate and the way in

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my hand if you open, you're both hands up and

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put your thumbs overlap each other. That's about how wide

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it is.

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Okay, that makes sense.

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Maybe twelve inches. I'm just off the top of my head.

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I'm saying that, but I'm not really sure because it's

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not in front of me. Yeah.

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Absolutely look here with.

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All my notations in it, and I could look it up,

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but I don't have it here looking right at the moment.

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How tall is Goliath.

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Nine and a half foot? And how we did that

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was I had a friend that was a researcher too,

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that worked with me. We went back after that that

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next day and I was down where I was casting

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at and he went over to where it was at,

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and we used a yardstick and lifted up a high

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and we got a vestment of nine and a half

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foot that way. Wow, it was standing and where I

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was there on my knees casting up print, and I

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could tell when I looked just alid, I could tell

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where the head touched the branch behind it. And that's

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how I used it as a reference. So that's how

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we got the reference point on that.

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Being able to just look at it for a short

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bit of time. But you just you said you looked

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at it and you're just taking it in. Do you

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remember any details from the face when you were able

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to just look at it?

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Yes, I actually just sketched the face. It was more

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it wasn't a monkey like, it wasn't gorilla like. It

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was more manliked. They had a note supposed to a

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flat flat nose, not real flat and all. Actually, I'll

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tell you what I actually when I cat when I

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sketched it the picture right after I saw it, because

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I had it fresh in my mind and I sketched it.

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Cliff has it in his museum, the original hanging in

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the museum with the sketch of Goliath.

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I actually I have seen that. I was just there

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out in July, so I know exactly what you're talking about.

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That.

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Yeah, that's awesome. What kind of head shape did it have?

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From what you remember, it really didn't have that much

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of a comb, but it was a large head, large cheek, bones,

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had had a really nice brow. Have you seen these

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things like the pictures of n Neanderthals like that with

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a lot of hair. And the one thing about this

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when you hear about Glass is he's reddish and brawn

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and as everybody ever sees a picture of Patty with

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black short, really nice coat of hair, Goliath didn't have that.

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He had matted hair, had bris and the hair and

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stuff like that. I could tell that it wasn't chepped up.

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It was likely something that would live in the woods.

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What kind of let's say, what kind of muscular structure

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was glith? Is he a very muscular individual or sometimes

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you have big foot sightings and they're more lean and

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not entirely muscular.

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He's pretty stout. He had a chest that would you

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put two men in it. Two big men showed their lives.

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It was wide shoulders, it was muscular, It wasn't it

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wasn't the superhero type stuff you look at, but you

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could tell it was it was muscular.

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Did you notice anything about its hands or arms at all?

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No, I mostly focused on the face. The one thing

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about growing up in a farm when you have chattle

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and stuff like that. Like wolves, when they get ready

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to charge you, they'll close their eyes, and the same

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way with scenes when they get ready to lunch, they blink,

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will get right before they do anything. So I was

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watching the eyes in the face, wonder of it was

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going to charge me or what.

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So did it have any emotion in its face while

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you were watching it?

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Not really?

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No, No, And the eyes you mentioned you were looking

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at the eyes, were the eyes where they were all

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one color or did they have whites around the edges?

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They were dark? There was I to be honest, they

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were dark. It looks soulless, but that could because of

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the shadow it was ave or whatever the lighting had.

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So you mentioned that this individual has also been seen

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multiple times around the same area.

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Yes, yes, I have multiple castings at different times of

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the life. And how we do that is is a cliff.

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Late doctor Milturn taught me this little trick is that

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the big toe you can always tell the big toe

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of each individual. The big toe what's on the story.

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Nobody has the same type toe structure. So the life

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has this arrowhead type toe big toe. So that's how

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we figure out that's Goliath. The minitarsal break has that

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same push off and stuff flexibility.

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That's really interesting. Have the footprints changed in any ways

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over the years or have they been pretty consistent the

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way it looks.

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They have changed. Of course, princes are going to change anyway.

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When you cast them. They're going to be up here

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bigger or smaller or narrower. It all depends on the

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substrate and how wet and how oh they are. Because

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in the winter time they freeze, they expand and then shrink.

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And because the freezing effect and then the summertime from

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drying out and getting wet don't do the same thing.

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You don't have different things. But that's the way. You

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have to take notes and note everything in your footprint

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where you cast it. Then after you cast it, didn't

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you go over your cast and they're like that study

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it more in detail. Now we do have some juveniles

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that it's in the area, and I have one footprint

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of it about six seven years ago, and then another one.

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I think it was four years after that they had

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extremely it got a little larger and stuff as they grow,

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the same individual because the toe structure was the same.

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And I believe I just got another one here just recently.

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I think it is the same individual. I haven't cleaned

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the cast up yet. I'm still letting it cheer and

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then I'll go from there.

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Can you share a little bit about what the other

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interactions have been like with Goliath? Have they been similar

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to your interaction or have different things happened?

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At one time it walked up on me. The other

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times people have seen it, and I think we actually

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saw it once more a couple of years ago in

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a creek bed. It was in standing in the creek.

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I got a video of that, but it's really hard

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to see because well we was and where it was.

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You can see it walk out and.

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It was just a little too far away.

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But other people have seen what they I think it's

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a liar being curious moving through. I think he's just

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one of the biggest males here in the county. And

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mostly all the time they ever see this big one

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is he's alone. He's not with a group or anything

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like that. He's always solitary.

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That's a pattern I've heard before. Do you have any

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thoughts about why he is probably more a solitary individual

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than rather in a group, like a family group.

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I believe he's one of them. He's an alpha male.

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My opinion is I believe the females are actually the

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ones that are more active or in the family groups,

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and I just think that the male wander. That's my opinion.

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That's interesting. So active, Like how in let's say, like

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the lion species you have, the female lions are or

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the lionesses are more They'll be out getting the food,

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being more active that way.

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Yeah, okay, I like you.

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That's cool. That's cool. Over you say, thirty eight years,

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is this very long time to have things happen. Has

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there ever been an experience or an encounter where you

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did not really feel comfortable with what was going on

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and if you could have gotten out of there at

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the same minute, let's get out of here.

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Another tough one. Yeah.

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Yeah, there's just say that a lot of these people

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walk around and say, all my years, I've never heard

466
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:02.799
of anybody hurt anybody or anything like that.

467
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:09.000
They're not violent, And there had been some violent tendencies

468
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:13.880
that we have witnessed. I have witnessed. I was in

469
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:18.400
Henry County, Kentucky. I gentleman called meet and I think

470
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:23.440
I got these giant monkeys living on my place. And

471
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.039
I said, really yeah, and I said, talk, come out

472
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:28.880
and check it out. He goes, yeah, come on out.

473
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.920
And I went out there and most people say giant monkeys.

474
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:34.359
I have to go out and I have to check

475
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.680
the place out. After there's so been so many places

476
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.240
I have gone that people I said, they've seen something

477
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:43.880
and it was just a shadow paradolia. They're seeing things

478
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.640
in the woods that ain't there. I never found no plants,

479
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.319
I've never found no evidence and stuff like that. So

480
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.799
I go out there and I check it out before

481
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:58.680
I do a full expedition. So we're back here on

482
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:02.799
his land. We're back in from the far way back

483
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.599
in there, and so far there's a little bit of sign,

484
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:10.119
but I can't really be certain. And they were starting

485
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:11.759
to get late, and I said, I said, I'll tell

486
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:13.160
you what I said. I'll bring my team out this

487
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.319
weekend and we'll come out on our way back. You

488
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:22.599
start getting dark and uh, and we'll be honest with you.

489
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.599
We were surrounded by something. We couldn't see them, but

490
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:35.799
we had stuff beating the ground, screaming, beating their chest,

491
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:37.079
throwing stuff at.

492
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:42.240
Us, and we would move one hundred yards to two

493
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.400
hundred yards, and then all of a sudden, boots all

494
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.640
start over again, more stuff throw those chest beating.

495
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:54.200
Screaming, pounding the ground. And the only thing I had

496
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:56.200
was one of these little flashlights. I didn't have a

497
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.440
day one erthing like that. And I couldn't You couldn't

498
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.319
see them. There was far enough back into vegetation where

499
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:08.720
they couldn't We couldn't see nothing. And this kept happening

500
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.079
all the time. He was coming back to the house.

501
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.359
We get back to the house, his house, and he

502
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.359
looks at me and it all stops. There. We have

503
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.200
a big there's a big security light there at the house,

504
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.720
and there it stops. Nothing's going on now. And he

505
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:27.319
looks at me. Because we want me to do I said,

506
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.440
go inside, lock your door, and don't come out until

507
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:35.279
in the morning. And I came home, I got my car,

508
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:40.480
came home h and my wife was still up and

509
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:44.039
she goes, what do you say, I said, I quit.

510
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:53.079
I said, I'm not going back out. Yeah, the first

511
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.599
time in my life I have ever been so scared.

512
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.440
That's something that I could not see or could not

513
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:05.640
deal with. If I can see it and I know

514
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.359
what it is, I can deal with it. I'm pretty

515
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:14.039
I might not survive. I can have a pretty good chance.

516
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.799
I didn't know what I was dealing with. We had

517
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:23.079
to basic chest beating. We had pounding on the screaming

518
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.960
a three minute staff at us I mean it. And

519
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.359
I did some little research after that. It was like

520
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:38.359
chimpanzees at war when it something that invade their territory,

521
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:42.680
and then that's suing what it was. And there was

522
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.559
a three month period that I wouldn't go out I did.

523
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:51.640
I told my team, I said I quit. And it

524
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:59.519
was John Gregory, m in chief Ofton and Dusty Ruth

525
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.519
and actually the rest of my team that got me

526
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:10.960
back out in the field. And I'll tell you what

527
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:16.039
that first night in the field, I was so uncomfortable

528
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:17.640
because of what had happened.

529
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:24.240
If that thing could expoot me, and to this day,

530
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.559
I am not comfortable in being out in the woods

531
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:28.759
by myself.

532
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.079
Since that happened. Now, if I have to, I will.

533
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:40.599
I'm looking for tracks or but usually I take somebody

534
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.000
with me.

535
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.440
Did you ever go back to that same spot after

536
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:45.920
you started back up again?

537
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.400
I did, and got ready to go back into it

538
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.039
and back out. And I'm not ashamed to tell you. Yeah,

539
00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:04.079
I mean that place bothered me. And I swear any

540
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.559
other researcher go out and have something like that happen,

541
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:17.159
I want to see how they react. Yeah, it brings

542
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.920
up from me. It's a really rough right now talking

543
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.159
about it, because it does. It does mess with you.

544
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.840
I appreciate you bringing that up. I know things like

545
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:34.199
that are extremely hard to talk about. I not experience

546
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.400
that myself, but I can only imagine that property owner

547
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.679
had the property owner actually had visuals of anything on

548
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.840
the property or was it a thing where it was

549
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.639
unseen to that person as well.

550
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:51.840
No, he's all monkeys. He's all actually said, it's all

551
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:56.760
our monkeys. That was the reason why I went out there,

552
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.440
because he said the larger monkeys. But still, you go

553
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:05.559
out there, the expectations is going to be nothing. When

554
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.599
I go out on a site. When somebody sees something,

555
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.320
my first thing is tell me your story and stuff

556
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.719
like that. Okay, you can tell me your story, Okay,

557
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.920
I want to listen to you and I'll take it.

558
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:21.000
But in order for your story to have validation, I

559
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.880
have to have some type of evidence. So that's why

560
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.239
I have to go out and see if I can

561
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.000
find a book, I can find anything.

562
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:30.679
Yeah, that was actually I was going to ask you that.

563
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.599
Next is do you have a checklist for a place

564
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.440
to pass before you can launch an actual full expedition

565
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.199
into it? And so is the checklist pretty much? You

566
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.360
have to find some piece of evidence or are there

567
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:43.400
other things as well?

568
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.800
We have to find some type of time, some type

569
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:48.840
of evidence. If I don't find I've been I've been

570
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.519
to some properties, step out and walk maybe thirty yards

571
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.360
into the woods, and I turned around, told you guys,

572
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:58.440
is that there's no sense. I said, it's gonna be

573
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.079
a wasted weekend here. There's no you're telling me that

574
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.119
there's a big foot here, and we would stick it out.

575
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:09.719
We stayed the weekend and nothing happened, and the homeowner,

576
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.800
the property owner be set in there with is I

577
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:15.880
don't know, they usually coming out about this time. And

578
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:17.679
then there's other times we were set up on a

579
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.079
property and the homeowner will be set there with propy

580
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.519
owner around the fire and stuff like that and there

581
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.960
would be this down hear that that's it, that's the

582
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.840
big Foot, and it'd be a fox.

583
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.960
Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, I'd say that's definitely a

584
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.400
good rule to follow. It puts you in the areas

585
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.519
where you're going to have a much much higher chance

586
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:51.320
of having something legitimate happen. You are definitely known for

587
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:57.119
casting tracks. Usually when people are mentioning Tom Shay, they're

588
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.960
either talking about Goliath or they're talking about the track

589
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.119
that you've cast. Do you have any advice about how

590
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.599
to cast a good track to people that might not

591
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.719
be pretty good at it yet?

592
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:16.239
Yeah? The best advice I can give you is if

593
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.639
you want to learn how to really cast and all

594
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:26.760
types of substrates, wet snow, any practice, and it's gonna

595
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:31.519
cost you some money, but practice. I go to Low's

596
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.440
here or Minards, picked me up a twenty five pound

597
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.760
bag of plaster. I go out here, kill me up

598
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.480
a piece of a six ft by six foot place.

599
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:43.719
Kill it up out there, and I go out and

600
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:48.119
now walk in it all one day. Wise dry go

601
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.519
out there, and the next day go out there, put

602
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:55.960
water it down, a little good money walk through so

603
00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:58.719
I can judge how much mix. I got to use

604
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:01.760
the ratio of the water water for the substract, how

605
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:05.199
wet it is and stuff. It takes time to learn this,

606
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.119
but when you learn it, you when you're out in

607
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:11.360
the field, you can actually look at the substrate and say, Okay,

608
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.199
I don't need all this water here. I just have

609
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:17.159
to use twenty percent of it, not all of it,

610
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:21.960
because how wet it is. Ask questions other researchers who

611
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:28.039
actually tast. There's a good video on YouTube of a

612
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:36.639
gentleman showing how to tast. It's a tracking video and

613
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.039
they cast the prints and they show you how to tast,

614
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:43.000
and he even tells you that sometimes it looks like

615
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.239
pancake mixed when you mix, but there's other times that

616
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:50.280
you're going to have to The mix is gonna have

617
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.159
to be a little thicker or a little thinner, and

618
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.840
you on the substrate, you know the type of trint

619
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.719
you get here. Recently, I've been practicing in casting in

620
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:06.440
real thin fine footprints that you find. You get that

621
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:11.639
powdery stuff sometimes and something we'll s it you. So

622
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:18.679
I'm practicing with that right now. But yeah, that's it

623
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:20.039
practice and practice.

624
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.440
I'd say that's great advice. And also I think this

625
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:29.000
is with anything to be in the attitude where you

626
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:30.639
never want to be in the attitude or say Okay,

627
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.400
I made it. That's not a good place to be.

628
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.719
You're constantly practicing, you're constantly improving in craft. It sounds

629
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.920
like that's where you are, and I would recommend people

630
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.039
to be in that mindset with whatever they are doing.

631
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.000
Is there a certain way that you a certain type

632
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.840
of thing you do where you are attempting to have

633
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.920
interactions with bigfoot that you find to be most successful.

634
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.840
For example, some people are knocking on trees while some

635
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.800
other people are let's just put a chair down and

636
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.280
what's sitting in the area and see what happens.

637
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.000
We don't run around at night time. We don't beat

638
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.400
on trees, we don't do what we don't do calls

639
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.599
or nothing like that. Oh whoops. What we do is no,

640
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:18.159
I call my my not an organization. We call a

641
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:22.760
group because each individual in the group has a searching

642
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.719
skill that they dot, audio, video, stuff like that. So

643
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.079
when we got in the field, we got We don't

644
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.920
sleep in tents because if you're in a tent and

645
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.480
you got activity going on, you're gonna have to get up,

646
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.480
bumble with the zipper, try to get out and by

647
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.199
the time you're out and get your gear, everything's done.

648
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:49.639
It's gone. We put up canopies. We put a couple

649
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.320
out on the edge of the camp. We got like

650
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:56.119
sentinels out there. We're like siminels. They take turns at night.

651
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:02.000
Everybody else is at camp. We're talking. Try to entice

652
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.239
these things. They find this cheerious and they will come

653
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:09.320
up to the to the edge of the camp. And

654
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.159
that's why we got these guys out here in these

655
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:14.440
chairs zero gravity chairs. We sleep in zero gravity chairs

656
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:19.199
all the time. All our equipment set right next to us,

657
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.559
so if something happens, we can reach down, grab it

658
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.960
and we're filming. We got the audio going. That's it.

659
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.599
Because you can trim down of a tent, you know

660
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.480
you're gonna be on your hands and knees crawling out.

661
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.239
You're gonna try to get We won't be able to

662
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:35.480
see three hundred and sixty degrees. That's why we're under

663
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:41.159
a champion, and these things will come up. We had

664
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.400
one one time. I had a group out and my

665
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.320
responsibility in the group is to keep everybody, make sure

666
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:51.280
everybody's safe. Makeure everybody's got water doing okay medical wise,

667
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.199
and like that. The guys I have out on the

668
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:56.840
edge of camp and they're throning stuff like that. If

669
00:41:56.840 --> 00:42:01.639
anything happens, they can call me. And I was up

670
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:03.800
there checking everybody by the fire and stuff like that,

671
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:12.559
just be yesing like after you do it a camp, Dusty,

672
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:14.800
go back here. It's the tom You to come over here, Mick,

673
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.320
and I can't otherwise. What's up, Dusty? And he goes,

674
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:20.960
I got this thing, come up to see the signature.

675
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.239
Came up and stood up, and this hasn't moved, but

676
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.039
once you take a look at it. So I grabbed

677
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:29.320
my thermal and I'm soonering out there and I said, oh, yeah,

678
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:36.199
I see it, and about that time it moves, so

679
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.320
it's billy. It went down on all fours and it's

680
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.079
belly crawled all the way up to us. And it

681
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:44.119
gets to a certain point where the creek is and

682
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.480
it's inside this creek up on by the bench and

683
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:50.559
we're watching it. And we sat there and watched it

684
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.960
while it watched us for two and a half hours.

685
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:56.079
Now I have affidavits and everybody was there and watched it.

686
00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:00.400
They rode up the thing and signed it. We all

687
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.960
saw this and we all filmed it on our things.

688
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.000
One of my guys wanted to go down and actually

689
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:11.719
get close to it. Now I tell them, no, well there,

690
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:14.119
this is what this is is we're going to watch.

691
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:18.800
So for about two and a half hours, right, I

692
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:23.679
watched us and we watched it, and we're taking notes

693
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.719
at this time here in video and audio, and it disappears.

694
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:30.880
And what happened was it's down into that creek bed

695
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:35.159
and we lost it in that creek bed. The next

696
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.679
day we got up when a thermal you can't judge distance.

697
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.960
We were surprised to find out that this thing was

698
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.519
only like three car links from us. That's how close

699
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:59.519
it was. Three carlinks. So yeah, we just set we

700
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:01.840
don't do it. Calls, we don't do that. We do

701
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:06.159
not do nothing in parts state parks and nothing or

702
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.960
natural forces. The simple fact is, I tell my crew,

703
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:16.639
is they're contaminated because like Mammoth K, we've got researchers

704
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:18.719
in Mammoth K at one end and the other end.

705
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.440
I believe that you've got all these researchers in there,

706
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.079
and you've got them over beeting on trees. We're making

707
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.400
whooping calls and stuff like that, and you're picking this up.

708
00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:32.840
You don't know if it's an actual foot or all

709
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:38.280
of these research people. So we do it on private property.

710
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:41.000
Nobody knows we go into this property, nobody knows where

711
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.679
we're at, and most places we go at it's so

712
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.840
we have to use side by sides to get back

713
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:54.440
in there. And there's no electricity. It's all primitive. There's nothing.

714
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.639
And if anybody is back there trying to screw with

715
00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:59.840
us at night when it's dark, they're not using apply

716
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:04.239
then they got X ray vision they can see at

717
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:05.360
night and for red visions.

718
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:11.719
Yeah, wow, Tom, that I was not expecting to hear that.

719
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:16.039
That's zero gravity chairs, no tent. This super gutsy dude.

720
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.880
So you have it. I'm guessing some kind of canopy

721
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:24.559
over the chairs though, when you're sleeping in them. Yeah, okay, yeah, gotcha.

722
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.559
Always sometimes there's always two people on watch. Everybody else

723
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.000
can get some rest and stuff. You got two people now,

724
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.639
the way it is when everybody is relaxed and everything,

725
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.840
but when things happen, everybody knows what to do, and

726
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.280
mean it's everybody's on the ball. They're doing their job.

727
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:48.800
You know, the fun and games is over with. Everybody's

728
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:53.679
doing their job and it's all scientifically based. It's not hearsay.

729
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:58.159
If we get something, we have to have it on camera,

730
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.440
we have to have it moving on camera like that,

731
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.480
we have to have some type of physical evidence. The

732
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:05.440
next day we go down, we look, we find the

733
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:08.159
footprints or something like that. We document all that, we

734
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:13.880
make castings. Okay, all this is done. It's all you

735
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:18.159
can't say I saw this to somebody and not have

736
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:22.599
the evidence. I can go out here and tell you

737
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.440
all day long. I saw one up bro on the

738
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:27.679
hill day. Did you go up and check the foot prints? No,

739
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.280
because I know they're there. I look at that there

740
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.000
as okay, you're just telling me you saw something up there,

741
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.440
but you didn't go up there to check and make

742
00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:42.320
sure it was something. I asked him, was like, we're

743
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:47.639
you afraid to and no, I just know they're here. Okay,

744
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:54.039
show me some evidence. I'm sorry. In the last thirty

745
00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:01.679
eight years, I've built with some really strange people, and

746
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:07.800
I take everybody's citing seriously. Even though I find some

747
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:13.360
out lavishly stories. There was some really easy, wild stories,

748
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.679
but I documented because you never know things down the

749
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:25.280
road might happen again it's from somebody else. But here's

750
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:30.760
one I heard. This witness was telling me that they

751
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:34.000
saw this thing come out in a field, had a

752
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.800
flying saucer come down, and this alien came out, and

753
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.920
this people came out and they come up close to

754
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.719
each other. They did a bun, a chest bunk, and

755
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.440
a high five and walked off in the woods together.

756
00:47:48.679 --> 00:48:01.159
Now, this was a witness telling me this, HM tell

757
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:03.480
me you can figure out what you thought about that.

758
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:08.119
Story, gotcha, that's a pretty intense one that kind of

759
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.440
reminds me more like southwest Pennsylvania stuff. To be honest,

760
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.119
I do want to circle back to it at the

761
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.599
end of our chat here because I think it could

762
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:21.400
be really helpful for a lot of people. And it's

763
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:26.400
that kind of figure out the stuff that's in your

764
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.239
own area. And it reminds me of something that Lyle

765
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.679
Blackburn told me during I interviewed him a few years

766
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.679
because he pretty much, you need to make sure you're

767
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:38.360
the expert for the weird stuff in your area. And

768
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.000
it really makes sense because there's a good chance no

769
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.079
one else is going to take the time to do it.

770
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.280
When you were starting to. You're at the point where

771
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:51.599
people know to talk to Tom Shay for certain counties.

772
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.360
If you see something that's like a bigfoot, go to Tomshay.

773
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.079
Was it when you were first starting to do that.

774
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.519
Were you going to police departments and being like, Hey,

775
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:03.320
I'm Tom Shay, I'd research big fight. If you get

776
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:06.639
any anything, here's my card. Were you doing stuff like

777
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.719
that or do you have any advice If a person

778
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.599
is trying to become that person for their area in

779
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.719
the country, what are things that they could do to

780
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.559
get their name out there to the right people.

781
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.760
Yeah, to go to your police department, go to your

782
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.480
local shriff department, talk to your emergency management. You're a

783
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.960
judge execut like, we have good execs here. Talk to them,

784
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:29.840
tell them what you do and stuff like that. And

785
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.320
if you hear anybody has any old stories, haven't come

786
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.079
to me. It's keep me in mind. It's just like

787
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:42.360
the LBL. Now, when that story came out and stuff.

788
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.440
I went down there and I was in the LBL

789
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:51.400
for a little bit and I focused mostly on the story.

790
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.519
So I went to every place the newspapers. I went

791
00:49:54.599 --> 00:50:04.079
to shriff department, state police, everything, hospitals and nobody knew

792
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:14.800
nothing about this massacre at LBL and I can't remember

793
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:17.239
who it was, but it was I think it was

794
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.199
a county official said all that was just made up

795
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:27.360
for tourism to get people in here. And I didn't

796
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:32.599
find anything, not even in the newspaper the area, or

797
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.199
the police apartment. The share a department looked at me like,

798
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:40.199
can stay please to you're talking about you've got to

799
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:44.559
actually go out and research this place, research the area

800
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:50.800
and something like that comes up. You know, did dive

801
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.519
into it really good. One of the best places to

802
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.719
go is if you have a restaurant of you know,

803
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.280
a country restaurant in your town or something like that.

804
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.880
To everybody congregates in the morning, drink coffee and get

805
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:09.960
in there. And most of the older gentlemen do. That's

806
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:11.280
when you want to go in there and you say

807
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.360
to that drink coffee and look. Listen to the stories

808
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:19.639
they're telling each other, strange chattel mutilations that happened and

809
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:25.760
something broke into my corn crib. And listen to those stories.

810
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:29.119
And then you get a chance invite yourself into that

811
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.400
story and talk to them. You know, excuse me, I

812
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.000
will heard you say that, do you tell me what

813
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:41.119
you're talking about, be polite and if they reject you

814
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:48.280
being there and then back off, and that's how you

815
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:48.880
want to do it.

816
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:55.760
I think that's great advice. When you're talking to like

817
00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.840
law enforcement departments and things like that, do you recommend

818
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:03.760
talking to them face to face in person rather than

819
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.039
over the phone, or do you have any thoughts about that?

820
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:12.719
So go to the office. Now, you might have to

821
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:16.239
do that like several times, because the reception is whoever

822
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:19.079
it is it's in charge after you will probably or

823
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:23.079
who there was reading the desk will probably show you away.

824
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:27.039
But you keep going back and finally you'll get some information.

825
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:32.679
Gotcha look at you like you're crazy anyway.

826
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.719
Yeah, that's awesome. It makes sense to persistence and niceness

827
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.119
is a is a great combination, I think.

828
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:40.079
So.

829
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.800
I think that's some good advice for you to give out.

830
00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.639
But Tom, this has been just I think a really

831
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:50.599
good conversation. A lot of stuff that people can take

832
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:56.320
away from this chat to either start into the Bigfoot

833
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.719
subject or to become better. I want to make sure

834
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.920
that you have the time to share if there are

835
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:06.039
ways that people can keep up to date with what

836
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.920
you're doing, or if there's certain things that you want

837
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:14.159
them to check out about your work that you've done,

838
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:18.039
things like that, feel free to share those at this time.

839
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:21.760
Yeah, I just looked me up on the Facebook I

840
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:26.000
run in order to detect a Bigfoot research group on Facebook.

841
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:28.840
Anytime we ever do anything, we get any type of

842
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:35.679
verified evidence, we'll post it. If you have questions, you

843
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:40.000
can ask questions. A lot of knowledgeable people on that

844
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:47.079
site that will give you an answer. And there's no bickering,

845
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:49.360
no nothing, there's no fun making or nothing like that.

846
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:55.800
It's all science based. We're not running a fairy tale thing.

847
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:00.360
We're running things that we have actual evidence that has

848
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:07.079
been collected, a whole lot of experience people what is

849
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:11.159
in this sight? Even my team people are most are

850
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.519
really And the one thing I like about my team

851
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.119
is they're not a yes ma'am, yes serve type of deal.

852
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.719
It's all big Foot. If I say something, somebody will

853
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.920
question me. That's what I want. I want to be

854
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.599
questioned why do I believe this happened? And I'll explain

855
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.639
so just because like I've told anybody else, I don't

856
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:41.639
know it all. I'm still wondering. But yeah, and you

857
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:43.719
can look me up on Facebook two or if you

858
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:48.280
got my get my email from there and stuff like that,

859
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:53.440
and you can friend me ask me questions to help

860
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.760
you out any way I can't anybody.

861
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.679
Tom. That's great. I will definitely have the link to

862
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:06.079
that group down in the description for this episode so

863
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:10.519
people can find that easily. But I appreciate you coming

864
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.320
on today and thank you so much. Best of luck

865
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:17.840
in the future with your future investigations, and I hope

866
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:20.280
they are very fruitful for you. Thank you for coming

867
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:26.039
on the show today, Tom, Thank you sir. Before we

868
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.559
wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to

869
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.960
a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,

870
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.760
any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that

871
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:38.639
no one can explain, or if you're a National park

872
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.960
ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

873
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.920
or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on

874
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.320
the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency,

875
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:52.719
or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not

876
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:56.039
allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic,

877
00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:59.480
or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

878
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:03.079
tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry,

879
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:06.920
on a remote oil field or a trucker with government

880
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.639
contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told

881
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:14.280
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

882
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.840
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

883
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:21.599
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

884
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:24.880
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

885
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.360
that shook your faith, or if you work in the

886
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.920
shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen

887
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:35.719
what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,

888
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:41.599
even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot

889
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.840
Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear

890
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.719
what you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone.

891
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:55.039
You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you

892
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.599
in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode

893
00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.039
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894
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:03.400
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895
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.400
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896
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.639
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904
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.320
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905
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.519
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906
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912
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913
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.119
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914
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.960
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915
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.159
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916
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