Dec. 7, 2024

When Research Turns to Experience: A Conversation with Lisa Semmler and Dr. David Mitchell

Join Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society as he dives deep into the intriguing world of Sasquatch and psychic phenomena with guests Lisa Semmler, a PhD candidate in Integral and Transpersonal Psychology at the California Institute of Integral...

Apple Podcasts podcast player badge
Spotify podcast player badge
Castro podcast player badge
RSS Feed podcast player badge
Apple Podcasts podcast player icon Spotify podcast player icon Castro podcast player icon RSS Feed podcast player icon
Season 1

Join Jeremiah Byron from the Bigfoot Society as he dives deep into the intriguing world of Sasquatch and psychic phenomena with guests Lisa Semmler, a PhD candidate in Integral and Transpersonal Psychology at the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS), and Dr. David S. B. Mitchell, an expert in cryptid studies specifically Sasquatch. Discover how their research bridges the gap between spirituality and psychology, focusing on experiences such as Sasquatch encounters and other exceptional phenomena. Hear personal stories, academic insights, and learn how you can participate in ongoing research. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this episode is sure to expand your understanding of these mysterious subjects.

Contact Lisa Semmler directly using this email: LSemmler@mymail.ciis.edu

Contact Dr. David directly using this email: dsbmitchell@gmail.com

To apply directly to Lisa's study please fill out the questionnaire at the following link: https://ciis.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_0rcGzNq7PpR8N9A

Resources:

California Institute of Integral Studies - https://www.ciis.edu

Exceptional Experiencer Empowerment -https://e3-initiative.com

Edge Science Journal -https://scientificexploration.org/Edge-Science

Mindfield Bulletin - https://www.parapsych.org/section/16/mindfield_bulletin.aspx

Dr. David Mitchell's article "“What goes bump in the psyche”: Relict hominoids and reality shifts as existential threats to Western culture" can be found in this book:Paranormal Ruptures (pages 21-57) | Amazon Affiliate link:https://amzn.to/4fN6EnX

Edges of Science by Thom Powell | Amazon Affiliate link:https://amzn.to/4ighnJd

🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1

Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: bigfootsociety@gmail.com

Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety
(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)

Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38

Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=shared

Recommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat

✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon -

WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.799
Welcome to Big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity

2
00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:06.120
to report from the same areas discussed in this episode,

3
00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.640
please reach out to me directly after this episode. And

4
00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:12.199
if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss

5
00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:15.359
a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly

6
00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.239
at bigfo Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish

7
00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.879
there was more Big for Society to listen to every week?

8
00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.600
Well there is now. If you become a supporting member

9
00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:27.000
over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode

10
00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:32.240
every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes.

11
00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:34.799
Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the

12
00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.799
Big for Society, and now let's get on with the show.

13
00:00:39.439 --> 00:00:41.200
All right, Big for Society. We've got the privilege of

14
00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.320
talking to a pair of new friends today. We've got

15
00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:48.920
Lisa Semler, who's a PhD candidate in the Integral and

16
00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:53.520
trans Personal Psychology department at the California Institute of Integral Studies,

17
00:00:54.039 --> 00:01:00.880
and doctor David SB. Mitchell, who specializes encrypted studies, particularly sasquatch.

18
00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.479
So I'm excited to have both of you on here today.

19
00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.120
How's it going, guys, great?

20
00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:08.280
Thank you so much for having us.

21
00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:11.560
Awesome is there anything else that my listeners would want

22
00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:14.079
to know about you guys, what you do, what the

23
00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:16.480
institute is about, and all that good stuff.

24
00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:20.719
Yes, both being connected to the California Institute of Integral Studies,

25
00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:24.439
which focuses on integral which is more or less a

26
00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:29.200
kind of holistic approach to being in human diversity and

27
00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:34.840
the human experience. Our particular program being focused on integral

28
00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.719
transpersonal psychology and also some ethics. Psychology is somewhat of

29
00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:43.799
a niche field or subdiscipline, but we are really focused

30
00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:50.959
on bringing more research oriented approaches to the larger discipline

31
00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:55.000
of psychology and specifically to the gap that often persists

32
00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:03.680
between spirituality and psychology, such as everything from near death experiences,

33
00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.280
non egoic states where you're just going beyond the ego,

34
00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:13.879
and a variety of other experiences that people can experience

35
00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:17.560
or kind of pursuit. And so that's basically what the

36
00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.759
California Institute of Integral Studies is, and we're one of

37
00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:26.120
just several institutions in the United States that focus on

38
00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:27.960
this particular aspect of psychology.

39
00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.319
Very interesting, So a lot of listeners probably right now

40
00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:34.039
they might be thinking that sounds awesome. What does Bigfoot

41
00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.280
have to do to play into all of this.

42
00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:37.439
I might be able to answer that.

43
00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:38.879
All right, go ahead, Lisa.

44
00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.360
There's a little background on myself. I'm a licensed marriage

45
00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:47.120
and family therapist in Boise, Idaho, and when I got

46
00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:51.199
my master's degree, I went on to get a PhD

47
00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:55.879
in marriage and family therapy, but then realized a solely

48
00:02:56.199 --> 00:03:00.560
Western approach was not didn't align with what my trusts were,

49
00:03:00.919 --> 00:03:04.400
and so I went to make a switch to what

50
00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:10.199
kind of psychology integrates the spirituality And that's how I

51
00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:16.759
found CIS. And because of my own personal experiences of

52
00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:23.759
either paranormal experiences, psychic experiences, states of higher consciousness that

53
00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:28.759
Western psychology would explain but not really help me in

54
00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:33.159
figuring out how to integrate it within myself. And that

55
00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.400
includes part of the reason why I'm here today is

56
00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:41.120
because I do study phenomenon related to extraterrestrial or star

57
00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:46.080
family or aliens for a broader term of our interactions

58
00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.560
with those beings and how it affects our ability to

59
00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.879
perceive and integrate that reality into our lives. And through

60
00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:59.120
my own studies, that's how cryptid experiences come along as well.

61
00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.319
So I originally reached out to you. It was in

62
00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:05.400
the vein of Hey, I've noticed that a lot of

63
00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:14.199
spirituality connection, psychic connection, energetic exchange exists between humans and

64
00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:15.520
Sasquatch as.

65
00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:19.199
Well, which is fascinating because over the few years that

66
00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:22.600
I've done this podcast coming up on past five now,

67
00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:27.439
I believe I have started to have the theory where

68
00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:30.959
it feels like these witnesses that I talk to, these experiencers,

69
00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.560
it's almost it feels weird almost even saying it, but

70
00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:37.560
that like they have these experiences, they have these interactions,

71
00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:40.720
they're in an area, and then it almost feels like

72
00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:44.800
they have something unlocked. It's very strange, and I don't

73
00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.240
know if that's even that might be close to what

74
00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:51.079
you guys are saying too, but it just keeps seeing

75
00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:53.720
it come up over and over again, and I'm not

76
00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:55.639
really sure how to wrap my mind around it. But

77
00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:56.920
it's a very strange thing.

78
00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:04.040
Absolutely, I'll just jump in briefly, so two things. One

79
00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:08.959
is absolutely what you're saying, Jeremiah. Those kinds of experiences

80
00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:12.959
can be wrapped into this larger umbrella of experiences, which

81
00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.839
we could refer to as entity encounters. At least that's

82
00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.439
how they referred to in the literature, which are a

83
00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:24.439
subset of exceptional experiences, and exceptional experiences themselves, which are

84
00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.439
a group of experiences that people can have everything again

85
00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:34.319
from trips as you would, to experiencing a variety of entities,

86
00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:37.879
from non humanoid entities to humanoid entities, etc.

87
00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:40.000
And more.

88
00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:45.680
These exceptional experiences are one facet of what transpersonal psychologists

89
00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:49.360
can study, but also they're a facet of what parapsychologists

90
00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:53.920
can study. And parapsychologists have oftentimes been associated, at least

91
00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.800
in popular literature in popular culture with things like ghosts

92
00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.920
and other types of encounters. So that's one thing. Another

93
00:06:00.959 --> 00:06:05.279
thing is that our program doesn't explicitly offer training or

94
00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:11.160
education in en cryptid encounters, specifically around Sasquatch, But this

95
00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:16.360
is an area that is ripe for more research, qualitative, quantitative,

96
00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:20.000
mixed methods research, and is also an area that some

97
00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:26.879
of our cousin or even sibling institutions like CIHS. The

98
00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:31.399
California Institute for Human Sciences is also another place where

99
00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.600
you have some of these things being looked at. The

100
00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.639
University of West Georgia is another. But we're just a

101
00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:42.560
small number of institutions institutes that are starting to look

102
00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:46.439
more so directly at some of these matters like entity

103
00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:50.959
encounters or kind of adjacent phenomenon, So I just wanted

104
00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.480
to bring that up as well.

105
00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:59.040
Have you found that people that have sasquatch encounters will

106
00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:03.079
tend to also have interactions with other things such as

107
00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.800
maybe UFOs or aliens, and that there seems to be

108
00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.199
a real connection where they're not just going to experience

109
00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:09.800
the one thing, but they're probably going to have other

110
00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:11.199
things happen in their life as well.

111
00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:17.480
That was a segment of the dissertation proposal that I

112
00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:20.160
had worked on in order to get approval to do

113
00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:23.879
the research I'm currently conducting, which is, there's a lot

114
00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:28.879
of research in the literature for the past four or

115
00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:34.639
five decades that shows a link between people having UFO

116
00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:41.439
or ET encounters and then experiencing more parasychological phenomenon, specifically

117
00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:47.879
more encounters either with pultugeists or encryptids or sasquatch or

118
00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:55.439
developing a clairvoyant ability to see spirits or fairies or elementals.

119
00:07:55.839 --> 00:07:58.800
So there is quite a bit in academic research that

120
00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:02.680
points to that, and part of the reason I chose

121
00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.439
my field of study is because I looked at all

122
00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:07.279
of that research and tried to figure out where is

123
00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:11.560
a gap in research. And one of the gaps I've found,

124
00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.639
which I eventually went with my study is called the

125
00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:21.240
et human connection that leads to psychic development. And so

126
00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:26.160
the study I'm currently conducting is a qualitative study having

127
00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:29.720
interviews and discussions with people who have had direct encounters

128
00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:35.559
with extraterrestrials or beings who they identify are not human

129
00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:39.399
but also not originating from Earth, so whether that be

130
00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:45.919
what they identify as extraterrestrials, aliens, or interdimensional beings, which

131
00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:51.360
is where a lot of sasquatch researchers put sasquatch in

132
00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:56.320
the category of interdimensional being, which would explain why humans

133
00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:59.679
have a lot of encounters with sasquatch that they capture

134
00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:04.320
on or in photographs, or they have a physical encounter

135
00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:08.600
or a psychic encounter. They hear them in the woods,

136
00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:14.759
they see evidence in footprints or hair, or mysterious things

137
00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:19.240
like broken branches or gift exchanges, but no one can

138
00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:22.600
and can seem to capture a body or have, like

139
00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:27.360
you know, an interview on a podcast with sasquatch. There

140
00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:29.960
is a lot of research to point to to say

141
00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.919
that yes, these things are connected. So my research aims

142
00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.240
to talk to people who have had et encounters who

143
00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:42.000
then develop psychic abilities as a result. And psychic abilities

144
00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:48.159
is a category that includes increased parapsychological events or anomalous events.

145
00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:51.799
And so with some of the data I've collected so far,

146
00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:57.720
some participants have noted encounters with what they interpret is

147
00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:04.799
sasquatch after they started having contact with extraterrestrials from other planets,

148
00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:06.519
of the realms, other dimensions.

149
00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.080
That's fascinating. So this contact that they're starting to have,

150
00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:15.799
would this be in all use terms used in the community,

151
00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:18.200
And if you're not familiar with them, please feel free

152
00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:20.759
to ask would this be considered like when people start

153
00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.320
to have mind speed happen?

154
00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.519
Yeah, thanks for bringing that up. I think I alluded

155
00:10:26.519 --> 00:10:29.120
to that in my communications with you before this interview.

156
00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:33.799
I had my first experience with that this summer, and

157
00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.159
I when it happened, I didn't know what to think.

158
00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.480
I didn't know what to make of it. Of all

159
00:10:38.559 --> 00:10:43.759
the psychic experiences I've had or paranormal things happened in

160
00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:45.840
my life, that was the first time where I had

161
00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.919
no context for what just happened. And I knew it

162
00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.720
was significant. I knew it was big, and so I

163
00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.919
had to reach out to other people doctor Mitchell included,

164
00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:01.720
to say, what was that? Only to have my experience

165
00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.919
validated by other people who actually have had direct contact

166
00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:07.600
or experiences with sasquatch.

167
00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:12.000
Oh wow, that's fascinating. So did that happen in the

168
00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:15.639
middle of your research or was that at the beginning or.

169
00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.840
It was July sixth of this year the little backstory

170
00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:23.559
to that. So because of the research that I do,

171
00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:28.919
I've been paying attention to a lot of Sasquatch based

172
00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:36.279
either documentaries, books, research. I also follow indigenous content creators

173
00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:39.840
on social media. Stephanie big Eagle is one of my

174
00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:44.440
favorite content creators, so I've learned through her and that

175
00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:48.120
the Lakota and Dakota tribes talk a lot about how

176
00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:53.240
Sasquatch is telepathic and they can read your aura, your

177
00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:57.440
energetic field, and determine if you are safe to be

178
00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.519
in their space or if you are not safe person

179
00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.799
to be in their space. So I've been learning these

180
00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.279
things about how Sasquatch prefers to interact with us if

181
00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.440
we're going to be in the same geographical area, and

182
00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.559
I experimented with that when I went to Whitefish, Montana

183
00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:20.200
in May of twenty twenty four, and I specifically went

184
00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.960
with the goal of I'm going to put myself in

185
00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.960
a forested area. I'm going to create the mantras to

186
00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.480
commune with them, to meditate with them, experienced telepathy if

187
00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:37.559
they're willing. So I went with good faith and gifts

188
00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:41.679
of apples and fruits, and I brought a rose quartz

189
00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:45.080
heart shaped pendant to leave as an offering in the forest.

190
00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.000
And so I had these mantras of hello, I would

191
00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:51.559
love to meet you, I'm safe for you, I'm not

192
00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:53.759
going to harm you, I'm not going to harm your babies.

193
00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:57.200
If you feel like showing yourself to me, please do.

194
00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.320
I'm not going to put you on the internet. I'm

195
00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:02.879
not going to tell anybody where you live. So I

196
00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:06.279
tried to create this environment hoping that I would have

197
00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:10.120
an experience, and of course I didn't, at least not

198
00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:13.240
in that moment that I know of. So I left

199
00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:17.039
the pendant high up on a tree. I left gifts

200
00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:19.960
of fruit and then said thank you and came back

201
00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:22.720
to home to Idaho. So that was in May, and

202
00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:25.960
then on July sixth, that was a particularly very stressful

203
00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:29.000
week for me, and I woke up at six o'clock

204
00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:32.279
in the morning with lots of racing thoughts, lots of

205
00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.799
worried thoughts about what was going on in my life.

206
00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.320
And I'm a therapist, so I tried to use my

207
00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:43.080
therapy skills of try deep breathing, stretch your body, the

208
00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:47.279
us thoughts, stopping, try soft music. Nothing would make the

209
00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:51.399
thought stop, and so I was just in my head going, oh,

210
00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:55.320
I want the stop. And then out of nowhere I

211
00:13:55.360 --> 00:14:02.679
hear really loud Ooh. I had no idea what that was.

212
00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:08.360
I had no context for what was that. All I

213
00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:11.159
know is it was loud. It got my attention, It

214
00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.559
shook me up. It stopped all the swirling that was

215
00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:18.240
going on in my head, and I was overcome with

216
00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.679
a sense of relief and I was able to go

217
00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:25.840
back to sleep. And when I so, I sat there

218
00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:28.120
for a couple of minutes before going back to sleep

219
00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:34.559
and thought, ah, that was a sasquash. That's the sound

220
00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.799
I make in the forest. That's what I've seen or

221
00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:42.799
heard about, and so I thought, wow, it felt the

222
00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.440
energy of it felt feminine, and so I thought, oh,

223
00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.440
I wonder if she got my necklace. So that was

224
00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.720
just my experience with it, but still had to take

225
00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:54.159
a lot of time to think about it because I

226
00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.519
had no idea what was that, what happened? And so

227
00:14:57.559 --> 00:14:59.679
that's when I started reaching out to other people who

228
00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.279
maybe would know more about this than I would. And

229
00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.519
one of my good friends named Alex, who I know

230
00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:08.679
has had a lot of a lot more paranormal experiences

231
00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:10.919
than I have, and she had disclosed to me that

232
00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.519
she's had encounters with sasquatch and she said, ah, all

233
00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:17.639
of that makes sense. They come to you when she

234
00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:22.559
described it as they've tagged me. So I went into

235
00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.279
a natural space, I made peace, I made the connection,

236
00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:30.360
and that was probably their recognition of we saw you

237
00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:34.240
and we're now connected. And she also said Rose Courts

238
00:15:34.279 --> 00:15:35.879
happens to be their favorite.

239
00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:43.559
Crystal courts is just from interviews I've done. If there's

240
00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:47.600
areas where there's big deposits of courts, there can be

241
00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:50.480
a lot of activity. I'm curious, why did you happen

242
00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.399
to choose that particular location in Montana that was.

243
00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.320
Based on a lot of synchronousy. So doctor Mitchella smiling

244
00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.559
because he's a part of it. So over the past

245
00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:01.600
year and a half two years, with all the research

246
00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.440
I'd been doing for my own studies, I kept coming

247
00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:09.279
across this Whitefish, Montana and it would stand out.

248
00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.720
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

249
00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:33.159
And I always thought, this town, this mountain town in Montana,

250
00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:37.759
seems to keep popping up. I should go visit. But

251
00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.559
then I would forget. Your life would get busy, and

252
00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:44.120
then it would pop up again, and I would think, Oh,

253
00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:47.279
that's so strange. But why Whitefish, Why does that seem

254
00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.720
to have a lot of UFO or ET encounter reports.

255
00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.320
And then it was last December, when we were about

256
00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:57.759
to go on Christmas break, I was having a conversation

257
00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:01.840
with doctor Mitchell and he had mentioned, Oh, I'm reading

258
00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:05.319
this book called Edges of Science. It talks a lot

259
00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.720
about the research that you're doing. So I ordered the

260
00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.599
book on Amazon and got it. The first chapter is

261
00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:19.559
about experiences in Whitefish, Montana with sasquatch. Oh that's it.

262
00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.160
That's like the third major ping. And so I waited

263
00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.119
to book a flight because flights were really expensive at

264
00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:31.519
that time, and then it just happened to be that,

265
00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.920
Oh I set up a Google alerts for flights, and

266
00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.640
I got a ping that the flight was like two

267
00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.920
hundred dollars cheaper, so I went to go book my ticket,

268
00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:44.279
and then while I was booking my flight, the price

269
00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:48.200
went down again by eighty dollars, and so I was like, Okay,

270
00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.519
message Recie, I'm supposed to go to Whitefish, Montana. And

271
00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:54.240
so that's how I ended up there.

272
00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:58.119
That's some weird synchronicities for sure. When you got back

273
00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:02.640
to your home, did you have any vivid dreams that

274
00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:03.599
started after that?

275
00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:10.880
Yes? And no, the so vivid dreams always happen for me.

276
00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:14.799
I'm a lucid dreamer. I don't recall any lucid dreams

277
00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:21.839
that were related to anything anomalist. However, after my experience

278
00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:27.359
with the sas disrupting my anxiety thoughts and giving me

279
00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:31.720
a sense of calm, I was trying to figure out

280
00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:36.480
other people sometimes know the name of their sasquatch being,

281
00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:39.799
and so I just meditated on it and put out

282
00:18:39.799 --> 00:18:42.559
a thought of I would love to know her name.

283
00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:47.200
And then about two weeks after I had that thought

284
00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:50.440
and that put out that intention, I had a dream

285
00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:55.240
that was really significant in terms of a significant actor

286
00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.680
showed up in it. So one of my college advisors

287
00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:01.880
showed up, someone I very much respected from two thousand

288
00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:06.079
and eight, and she was sitting at a desk, very serious,

289
00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.920
and she leaned over at me and she said Hyrie.

290
00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:14.039
And then that was it, and that was the end

291
00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.640
of the dream. And I woke up going the heck

292
00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:20.119
is a kyrie? Why did doctor Reader show up to

293
00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:25.079
say the word kyrie? That's weird? And I thought, Oh,

294
00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:28.440
here's the answer I've been looking for. I've wanted to

295
00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:32.480
know what's the name? What's the name? And then I

296
00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:38.440
have this random, chance, really vivid dream of my old

297
00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:44.480
college advisor showing up to say one word. So that

298
00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:45.160
did happen.

299
00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:50.079
So you go from studying and doing research to now

300
00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:53.720
you're quite in the middle of things yourself, and it

301
00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:57.680
sounds like are continuing to progress and probably become more

302
00:19:57.680 --> 00:19:58.680
and more intense.

303
00:19:58.799 --> 00:20:03.240
Right, that's correct, and it is slightly off topic, so

304
00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:06.720
I won't go too far into it. So another just

305
00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:11.559
for my own personal studies, more goddesses started coming into

306
00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:16.000
my awareness, particularly synchronistic moments when other people would mention

307
00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:19.319
to me, Hey, Lisa Artemis is trying to reach out

308
00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:23.359
to you. Artemis is the goddess of natural spaces and

309
00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:28.079
animals and nighttime hunting, and so I thought, oh, if

310
00:20:28.119 --> 00:20:31.559
there was going to be a goddess connected to natural

311
00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.839
spaces like forests and forest creatures, and one of her

312
00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:41.200
primary animal symbols is a stag or a deer, I thought, Okay,

313
00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.079
that could be a spiritual connection that I was not

314
00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:48.160
aware of. So my own personal research went in that direction.

315
00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.559
Is learning which deities are reaching out to me and

316
00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:52.599
how are they all connected.

317
00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:57.400
That's fascinating, Lisa and doctor David, we are going to

318
00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.000
get to you in a minute. Is a fascinating converse.

319
00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:06.000
Have you had to set boundaries yet with the individuals

320
00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:08.480
that you have been in contact with in any way.

321
00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:13.480
Not related to Sasquatch. I've had to set boundaries with

322
00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.480
I don't want to call them poltergeist because I don't

323
00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:18.920
know if that's what they were. I've had to set

324
00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:23.640
boundaries with energetic spirits or ghosts, if you will, bothering

325
00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:27.279
me in my home and my boundaries work. I've also

326
00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:29.839
with some of the clients I work with, I've had

327
00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:33.759
to teach them how to set firm boundaries with either

328
00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:39.000
spirits or extraterrestrial energies that were effective, but it's not

329
00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:42.240
been part of my experience that boundaries had to be

330
00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:44.720
placed with anything related to the Sasquatch.

331
00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:49.039
Okay, that is super interesting, and be careful how I

332
00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:52.599
say it, but it is. It's so incredibly par for

333
00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.960
the course. There are so many people out there that

334
00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:59.920
are also experiencing this time they go to an area,

335
00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:04.480
they come back, stuff starts to happen, and then these

336
00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:08.400
people are like, what's going on? They're just totally blown

337
00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:11.640
away and it's like the story gets repeated over and

338
00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:14.480
over and it's yeah, someone has to figure out what

339
00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:18.880
all this, why it's happening, what this means. It's so

340
00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:21.839
interesting and maybe that's just my lack of knowledge as well.

341
00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:26.759
But doctor David, have you had any interesting experiences with

342
00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.839
Sasquatch yourselves? It sounds like you're really into the topic

343
00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:31.519
of it.

344
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.759
Yeah, so before first of all, this is a wonderful conversation.

345
00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:42.200
Thank you both for having me inviting me. I have

346
00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:46.799
had some somewhat what I would say are ambiguous in

347
00:22:46.839 --> 00:22:52.319
other ways, very clear encounters, no class A class B

348
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.880
encounters for the BFRO classification. But what I have had

349
00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:01.440
are one or two visions or dreams that were for

350
00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.759
me meaningful, I guess I would say, so, I don't

351
00:23:04.839 --> 00:23:08.640
have any trace evidence, you know, footprint casts or hair

352
00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:12.720
samples or anything, but I have this one dream. Actually,

353
00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:16.319
for example, I'm waiting to share this other vision that

354
00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:18.799
I had because I want to get some more feedback

355
00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.279
from the person I was with first and maybe do

356
00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:26.079
a regression on it. But because I don't, there are

357
00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:28.559
some pieces of it that I don't entirely remember. So

358
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:31.039
I just wanted to say that, but this dream I

359
00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:35.240
had was interesting. I have been rather ambivalent in real

360
00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:40.240
life in waking life about whether or not to do

361
00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:45.240
any field investigation. I'm not a field investigator. And the

362
00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:48.400
reason I've been ambivalent is because of what we might

363
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:53.880
call in academia ontological ambiguity. There's this question that keeps

364
00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:55.839
persisting in the big fitting community as to what is

365
00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.079
asquatch right, And so that question is at the heart

366
00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:03.000
of ontological enduity, ontology dealing with the reality of the thing,

367
00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:08.599
and ambiguity being just that confusion about that nature. And

368
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:15.240
so there have been all kinds of hypotheses and narratives

369
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:19.599
put forth about sasquatch, from ets or star people to

370
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:26.839
demons to angelic beings or deithic beings, to them being

371
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:30.960
purely flesh and blood of course apes or everything from

372
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:34.920
great apes to human And so the question around not

373
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:40.920
knowing what I am spending this time of mine thinking

374
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.720
about writing about, et cetera, has been something that has

375
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:47.960
kept me playing double dutch, doing this kind of h

376
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.000
not sure approach avoidance kind of thing. So that's the background.

377
00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:55.000
But in real life I had tentatively committed to not

378
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:59.799
do any field investigator investigations at least yet, And in

379
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:03.880
the dream, even though I had made that commitment in

380
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.799
waking life, I had involved myself in a BFRORO expedition.

381
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:10.119
I think in the dream it was somewhere in Alaska,

382
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:14.920
and we'd split up. We'd been given an orientation the

383
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:19.119
night before our field outing, and then we'd split up

384
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.839
into different groups, and at some point I'd encountered this

385
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.519
cave that was up on this kind of ice shelf

386
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.559
or something like that, and ended up getting a head

387
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.039
injury or something to that effect. And as oftentimes happens

388
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.359
in dreams, the scene shifts and suddenly I'm laying on

389
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.039
a cot in my room, this room that we had

390
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:43.200
rinted out or something like that, and all the lights

391
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:47.359
are off except for there. All the lights are off

392
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:49.960
in the room except for down this hallway that my

393
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.079
cod is facing. There's a light way down the hallway.

394
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:58.039
And so then I have this. I'm looking at the wall,

395
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.880
lying on my back, and there are these two shadows,

396
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.160
one massive, rather large shadow and a smaller one that

397
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:09.519
are approaching my bed. I can't see what's making the

398
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:12.200
shadows yet because they haven't entered. They haven't come around

399
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:14.960
the corner in the hallway yet. And then they entered

400
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.960
the room, and it's a large male sasquatch and a

401
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.559
little one like hugging on his leg. And so the

402
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:24.839
large one, I don't think he ever actually said anything,

403
00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:29.960
but he comes over to the cot and he sits

404
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.160
me up, and I think at some point I had

405
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.440
to heave to move some things out of my system,

406
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.279
either before or after he did this thing where he

407
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:41.039
picks me up and he clings me over his shoulder

408
00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:46.440
and he hums, he hums. And I grew up with cats,

409
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:48.160
and so it can be reminded me of a cat's

410
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:52.839
per right. We oftentimes hear about infrasound and these incredible

411
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:58.680
frequencies that sasquatch beans can apparently generate, and so his

412
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:02.160
hums were energizing my body, the front of my body

413
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.960
along my vagus nerve, if you will, and and then

414
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:10.160
he puts me back down. And after he puts me down,

415
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:11.599
I'm staring at the two of them, and I'm not

416
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.839
really getting much in the term in terms of detail,

417
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.680
right I'm looking at them because there are really no

418
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.319
lights on in the room, there's no ambient light coming

419
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:23.720
in from outside, and so I'm looking at them. And

420
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.519
then the little one finally peeks from around his father's

421
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.920
leg and he's staring at me, and I'm getting this intense,

422
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.559
radiating sense of like joy and happiness coming from the

423
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:38.839
little one, and it's just it's almost overwhelming, and I'm

424
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.799
like Wow in the dream, and then after I woke

425
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:43.880
up later, Wow, this is really this amazing amount of

426
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:49.359
positivity coming from this being. And then at some point

427
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.039
I think there's this communication of his name and it's

428
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:57.759
something to the effect of bonum, and I said, well,

429
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.200
that's very interesting. And then at some point thereafter, soon

430
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:04.000
thereafter I woke up, and I don't have any particular

431
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:09.039
I stake no claim in terms of what Sasquatch is.

432
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:13.759
I'm interested in all accounts and all that the data

433
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:19.359
decide for me what Sasquatch is. But my main question

434
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.720
isn't so much about what Sasquatch is. It's more so

435
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:26.000
about what do Sasquatch do and what does that tell

436
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.559
us about who we are as humans? Where's the overlap

437
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.480
between who we are and what they are? And are

438
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:35.279
they truly human? Are they the original humans as some

439
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:39.039
people have suggested? And then what can we learn from

440
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.440
the narratives about Sasquatch? And some of those narratives, in

441
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.640
my opinion, include dreams. It doesn't matter if the dream

442
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:49.799
is quote unquote anthologically real or not. It matters what

443
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:51.680
we do with that, the meaning that we make, at

444
00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:57.599
least from my position in psychology. And so I found

445
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.759
the dream to be interesting. It overlapped to some extent

446
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:02.960
with some of what I've heard elsewhere in the literature,

447
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.480
and so I find it to be personally meaningful and

448
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:10.759
potentially insightful, again, mostly in terms of how that squatch

449
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:16.599
seemed to you sound in their behavior in either mundane

450
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:20.039
ways or more mysterious or mystical ones. And so, yeah,

451
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:25.400
that's one one quote unquote encounter that I've had, even

452
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.839
if it was just in my mind, and I found

453
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.319
it to be meaningful again, So thanks for asking.

454
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.519
That is that is pretty cool and I understand that

455
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:40.759
whole You're not wanting to cross the line or get

456
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:43.359
in there's that thing. And I'm pretty sure, yeah, I

457
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.799
crossed that pretty hard. About a year ago or mah,

458
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.519
two years ago. My buddy was just like, yeah, you

459
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:50.839
got to come out with me, come out with the

460
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.279
and then man, stuff started kicking off, and before I

461
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:56.359
know it, I'm out in Oregon in the middle of

462
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.480
the Willamette National Forest, thirty miles out on a forest road,

463
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:02.359
and we're getting roared and screamed at and it's once you, Yeah,

464
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.519
you need to know if you really want to cross

465
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:09.839
over that line, especially in your situation, because man, it

466
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.680
can change things. At Lisa knows that herself. She went

467
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.480
to Whitefish and then she gets back and it spam.

468
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:20.119
When you were in Whitefish, Lisa, did you try to

469
00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.559
find people that had experiences as well?

470
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.160
I did. Everyone just gave me the side eye. In fact,

471
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:32.039
I had a surreal experience, and I don't know, I

472
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:36.960
don't want to derail too far, so I have a

473
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:40.000
with all my synchronicities of how I booked the trip.

474
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:43.880
I was telling some of my clients who I work with, Hey,

475
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.160
we're going to have to reschedule your appointment because I'm

476
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.200
going to be out of town this week. And one

477
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.920
of my clients of female, said, oh, where are you going?

478
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.359
And I said, I'm going to Whitefish, Montana. And she said,

479
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.079
that's so strange. I was born in Kallis bell I

480
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:01.599
grew up there, and she's had as far as I know,

481
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.319
I've not asked her if she's had the sasquatch encounters,

482
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.240
but she's had other kinds of experiences there.

483
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.000
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

484
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:28.799
And I thought, oh, this is okay, this is in

485
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:34.200
line okay. And she recommended that I go to Moos's Saloon.

486
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.559
She said it's the best pizza and berry you'll ever have.

487
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.559
And so I walk in and I'm like, this is

488
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:46.920
very like old school dark tavern, animal heads on the wall,

489
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:52.519
like these are all locals. So I sit up at

490
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.200
the bar and I'm looking around, go okay, I stand

491
00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:00.119
out like I really don't belong here. And so it

492
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.440
was hard for me to strike up conversation with anybody. However,

493
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.240
I kept having a strange experience. I was sitting at

494
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:12.640
the bar. The barstools are very old school. There was

495
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.200
a like a six inch backrest on the bar stool,

496
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.000
and so I was leaning up on the bar and

497
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:24.200
waiting for my pizza, and I kept feeling this thud

498
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.599
on the back of my bar stool, like someone was

499
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.359
coming by and just whacking my bar stool. And I

500
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.400
kept looking behind me. Who keeps running into me? Why

501
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.039
are people like shoving past me? Are people tripping over?

502
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:37.960
Am I in the way?

503
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:39.000
And No.

504
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:41.839
Every time I would turn around and see what has

505
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.759
just hit me, there'd be nothing there. And so it

506
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.359
happened probably three or four times before I just tapped

507
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.839
on the person who was two barstools away from me.

508
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.319
I said, so sorry to bother you. Is this bar haunted?

509
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:01.039
And he was like probably, I don't know. So I

510
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.240
was like, oh, okay, something people squacken me and I

511
00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.440
don't know what it is, and he's like, oh okay.

512
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.880
So that kind of led to small little chit chat.

513
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.680
And then later on we just make little chitchat as

514
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:18.400
we're sitting there, but nothing serious. And then the bartender,

515
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.920
who was quite a salty individual. I had I think

516
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:23.960
one and a half glasses of wine, which is enough

517
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.200
for me to feel tipsy. And I said, hey, bar Cape,

518
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.319
what's the local word? Where do I need to go

519
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:31.480
to meet sasquat?

520
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:34.319
Oh?

521
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.759
No, you're one of those. And so he dismissed me

522
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:43.680
pretty easily. And so he said, I've been hunting my

523
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:48.680
entire life. I've never seen a sasquatch. So I thought, okay,

524
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.920
And then later on I said, okay, one more question.

525
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.559
Where do I got to go to have an et encounter?

526
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.160
Where do I have to go in this town to

527
00:33:56.200 --> 00:34:00.119
see UFOs? And he again just dismissed me. It was like, lady,

528
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.000
were full of all the questions, aren't you? And I

529
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.599
was like, yeah, that's kind why I'm here. So I

530
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.639
there were other restaurants I went to where I just

531
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:12.280
made casual conversation with the server or the bartender, and

532
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:17.599
they were all like, I don't know, So there's no

533
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.079
humans were on board with me there.

534
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:26.400
I bet there is someone listening to this that could

535
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:30.239
probably provide one or two. I think we're going to

536
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.320
have ways to reach out to you guys in the

537
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:35.239
show notes, if you're cool with that. Like emails.

538
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:39.840
I adore people's recommendations. I really tried to find them

539
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.719
before I went, which is how I was told to

540
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.760
go to Moose's Saloon and then. But yeah, I would

541
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.920
love if your listeners have recommendations for uh particular spots

542
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.039
to go. My airbnb where I stayed was quite magical

543
00:34:55.119 --> 00:35:00.079
and lovely. It was probably about nine miles outside of

544
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:03.920
of the downtown area of Whitefish. It was located in

545
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:08.280
the middle of the woods. I got that recommendation and

546
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:09.800
the most excitement I saw.

547
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:13.039
There was a area in your research so far, and

548
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.679
I'm going to ask it and you can decline there

549
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.239
might be stuff you can't talk about. Sure, I would

550
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:22.840
imagine you're probably partnering with people that are experiencing this

551
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.880
as well, and it's part of your research. Are there

552
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:31.519
any interesting things you've come across where people are having

553
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:34.840
these interactions that you might be able to share And

554
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:35.800
if not, that's okay.

555
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.920
I think I can share generalities without giving specifics, so

556
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.400
if anyone happens to be listening to this, they're not

557
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.480
going to know, Oh, she's talking about so and so

558
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:51.440
from this state. There are a couple of things where

559
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.599
one of my participants reported that and she didn't have

560
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:58.079
ET contact until.

561
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:02.079
Adulthood, and part of it was living in a remote

562
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.360
area where she and her spouse had acreage and some

563
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:08.960
wooded areas nearby.

564
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:14.079
And she had a particular encounter in her driveway and

565
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.639
that led to not very long after that, maybe days

566
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:22.639
or weeks, seeing bright orbs of light moving through the

567
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.840
trees of her property, and when she would go and investigate,

568
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.559
and she would try to decipher what am I seeing here?

569
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.119
Are these ets again? Are they back? But they're just

570
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.840
coming in orb form? But then her understanding as she

571
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.599
was trying to locate them or interact with them. She

572
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.000
never did go up and touch or talk to or

573
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:49.199
have an encounter with the orbs, but the telepathic communication

574
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.840
that occurred in that exchange, she surmised that it was

575
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.840
sasquatch energy presenting as an orb And then the other

576
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:02.559
one pointed to it wasn't a place where she lived,

577
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.719
but a place where she had visited in weeks Vermont,

578
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:09.800
where it was described as a portal where lots of

579
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:18.800
inexplicable things happened to either plant life, corn crops, animal mutilations,

580
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.800
not the kind of animal mutilations that you care about

581
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:29.000
in UFO citing reports, but more large animal, large predator

582
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:33.400
carrying away a deer carcass, like those kinds of reports. Yeah.

583
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.599
Another one of my participants did say that she did

584
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.440
visit a place like that where she did encounter not

585
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.360
sasquatch itself per se, but the after effects, seeing the

586
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:48.440
destruction to several rows of corn and seeing what she

587
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:52.760
described as it seemed like an entity just picked up

588
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.360
a young tree from the roots and just tossed it aside,

589
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:58.239
something just picked up a tree and tossed it. So

590
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:00.000
that has come up in my research.

591
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:07.000
That is entirely fascinating. Yeah, that really lines up with

592
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.679
people I've talked to as well, Doctor David. Have you

593
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:14.880
and you've been doing this for years and I'm not

594
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.960
sure if this is just because I'm getting more and

595
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.199
more interested in the subject, but have you felt like

596
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:27.800
there is an increase in more sightings or more experiences

597
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:29.239
over the last few years.

598
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:36.320
Yeah, Yeah, I appreciate that question. So maybe there might

599
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:40.519
be a kind of sampling error where it might be

600
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:46.199
that there's just as many experiencers having encounters. It is

601
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.719
just that people are more likely to share thanks to

602
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.000
as some folks in the Bigfitting community who were aware

603
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.000
of and Jeremiah, you might have mentioned this yourself at

604
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.000
some point since post twenty seventeen, and this is something

605
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.559
that Lisa and I talk about. You have this surge,

606
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.480
this kind of seed change in how the UFO and

607
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:10.880
ET topic are discussed in popular culture since the publication

608
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.719
of the New York Times article that discussed the existence

609
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:21.719
of the previously secret program a temp And so I

610
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:24.679
think that in some ways what we might be seeing

611
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:32.760
is potentially due to that, and also due to the

612
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:38.840
presence of Sasquatch in popular culture thanks to shows like

613
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:43.119
Monster Quest in Finding Bigfoot and maybe folks kids who

614
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:45.159
want you to watch Monster Quest or now now coming

615
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:48.519
back around to it, I think that there is a

616
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.679
bit more space for people to discuss these things. It's

617
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.079
just that even though they're still fringed as it were,

618
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.000
there's a little more comfort and people might not get

619
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.119
as mini side eyes. Even though I think they're they're

620
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.719
still very there. There are still more side eyes. There's

621
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.159
still more denial than I would pay and that's something

622
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:11.880
that I would like to change. But a long answer

623
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:18.000
to your question, maybe perhaps, perhaps, but I think that

624
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:22.840
that would take maybe some research. Hey, it's an empirical.

625
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.039
Questioners, Absolutely that I might like the answer to that.

626
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:29.719
It's something I gotta something I gotta work through myself

627
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:34.119
as well. Guys, it's been a fascinating conversation. But is

628
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:39.119
there a way that my audience can help you in

629
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:41.079
what you are researching right now?

630
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:43.599
Oh? Yeah, thank you. I'm not.

631
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.639
I am currently working on some research, but that's a

632
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.760
bit a field from basically, I'm working on some writing projects,

633
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.199
but we've already collected the data for most of them.

634
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.760
But the other most of the manuscripts currently working on

635
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.480
are not involving. They're more theoretical, inspecting the as opposed

636
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.880
to research oriented. But I can share my contact information

637
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.239
and I'd be more than welcome to have people reach

638
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.119
out to me. And I think, Jeremia, you said you'll

639
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.159
be putting some of our contact info in the show notes.

640
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.000
Absolutely, yeah, thanks.

641
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.199
But yeah, Lisa, please sure.

642
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.440
I think I also need to back up a second.

643
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:30.800
I uh just realized I hadn't provided this information yet

644
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.599
for your audience. Doctor Mitchell is actually my dissertation chairperson.

645
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.239
He has my dissertation committee for the research I'm doing.

646
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:43.800
He's my chair person at cis. My internal member of

647
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.079
my committee is doctor Dean Raden for those of you

648
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.559
who don't who aren't familiar with him, he's the chief

649
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:53.159
scientist at the Institute of Neuetic Sciences, has a long

650
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:58.079
history of doing research on these topics as a history

651
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:03.519
and electrical engineering, being and physics, and beauty in psychology.

652
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.800
And then my external member is doctor Sean Esbjorn Hargens.

653
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:12.079
He is the Dean of Integral Education and no Whatic

654
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:16.400
Sciences program director at the California Institute for Human Science.

655
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:21.679
My entire process is being overseen by these three experts

656
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:27.039
in their various fields, and so the interaction I would

657
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.320
love to see with your audience, if it happens to

658
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.360
pertain to them, if it speaks to them. Is so

659
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:38.360
I'm halfway through my research study and I still have

660
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:43.000
to recruit ten to fifteen more participants. And essentially the

661
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.920
criteria is they have to be over the age of eighteen,

662
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.400
speak and write fluent English. It is worldwide, so anyone

663
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:55.800
from the globe can participate, and there's some other screening

664
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.679
criteria that they would have to meet, but essentially, if

665
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:04.719
they've had life experiences where they've experienced et contact and

666
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:11.360
then started to develop psychic abilities, whether that be parapsychological events,

667
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:15.239
anomalist experiences, if they did start to notice and encounters

668
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:19.639
with sasquatch, or the psychic abilities. The umbrella term also

669
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:23.280
includes things like if you've had a near death experience,

670
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:29.559
if you have electrical or technology interferences, being able to

671
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:37.880
astral project or remote view, having telepathy or telekinesis by location, mediumship,

672
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:45.480
so a lot of different ways that humans higher consciousness

673
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.920
evolves as a result of their contact. So if anyone

674
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.440
in your audience can reflect on their life and go, yeah,

675
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.519
that's me, I would love to talk to them. And

676
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.239
there's a three step process, so it would be the

677
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:04.840
initial screening questionnaire that determines if they're eligible for the study,

678
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.599
and then there's a follow up questionnaire asking about it.

679
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:12.519
I provide a checklist of about twenty different psychic abilities

680
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.320
that also includes an other field, so if they happen

681
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.559
to have a different kind of psychic related experience, they

682
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:24.760
can enter that. And then also it asks about if

683
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:29.400
they have any identifiers for what beings they encountered, like

684
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.440
labels did you meet a gray, did you meet sasquatch?

685
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:36.320
Have you met or did you develop animal communication as

686
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.840
a result, and that's how you interact with sasquatch now,

687
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:43.800
So they're open fields for people to describe what their

688
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.440
experience was. So those are the two first the first

689
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.639
two processes, and then the third process is a one

690
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:55.599
hour zoom interview where I have structured my interview questions.

691
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.239
There's five main questions asking about their experiences, and then

692
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:01.280
with each question there might be three or four follow

693
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:08.079
up questions. And then from there I examine the transcripts

694
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.679
and look for commonalities in what people are reporting to me.

695
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.760
When you are done with this, I'm just going to

696
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:22.199
say a project. Just because my lack of upper terms,

697
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.320
I'm not in this. I'm in the big foot field.

698
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.199
I'm not in the educational field anymore. So my apologies.

699
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.440
But will you be publishing a paper or anything like

700
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:31.480
that regarding this.

701
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.159
Yes, this study I'm conducting is for my dissertation to

702
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.559
achieve my PhD. Maybe doctor Mitchell, if you have more

703
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.760
insight on this, so I know internally within our school,

704
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.679
they make an announcement of who is defending their thesis,

705
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.639
and my own outreach either on social media or things

706
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:57.440
I can announce when i'm going to be defending my PhD,

707
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.079
so that kind of announcement would be made, but I'm

708
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.920
not sure how it would work if CIS makes a

709
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.239
broader announcement to the world, Doctor Mitchell, do you know.

710
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.880
Yeah, that's a great question. I'm I'm not sure that

711
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:18.360
they typically do. But we can definitely share your the

712
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.599
zoom link that they end up giving you with the

713
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:26.239
Big for Society podcast community folks might be interested in attending.

714
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:30.840
And then also after you publish your dissertation, people can

715
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:34.599
look it up and get access to it online through

716
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:36.679
most likely I think it's either ProQuest or one of

717
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.199
the other databases.

718
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:43.039
Yeah, fascinating, I know definitely a lot of listeners would

719
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.639
love to read through that once that comes out. But

720
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.960
Lisa and doctor David, this has been just a really,

721
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.559
really interesting discussion. I've learned a ton from it, and

722
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.840
I would be keeping up to date with your future

723
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.079
work as well. But did you guys have any closing

724
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:05.239
thoughts before we wrap up our conversation today? And also

725
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.360
what's the best way people can keep up to date

726
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:10.360
with what you're doing with the university.

727
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.440
Great Lisa, do you want to go first or do

728
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.360
you want me to sure?

729
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:19.960
I guess some final thoughts are once I started becoming

730
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.800
aware of your work, Jeremiah, I love the content that

731
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:25.719
you bring, and I love the energy that you bring

732
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.199
to the I guess the world of the internet and

733
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:35.360
how we discuss these topics, bringing legitimacy and rational discourse

734
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.159
to these topics. I really appreciate that about you and

735
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.800
then being able to keep in touch. I would love

736
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.320
if we could do that, and I would imagine that

737
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:50.400
just in my own social medias are the social media

738
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.119
accounts that I have. I'm just not very popular on

739
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:58.280
social media. So yes, I plan on announcing to the

740
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:03.320
world when my searches published, and I plan on maybe

741
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.360
producing my own copies and given them out for Christmas gifts.

742
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:11.119
But I will definitely let you know where the general

743
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:12.920
public can find that information.

744
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:18.280
Awesome and doctor David, Yes, so a few hopefully quick

745
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:19.159
shout outs here.

746
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.440
So Lisa and I are members of the Exceptional Experience

747
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:27.039
Er Empowerment Initiative, and it's a group of individuals who

748
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:32.039
were mostly mental health professionals, but we're engaged in educational

749
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:36.280
resources and community building and sharing around ways to help

750
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:41.880
mental health professionals be more prepared to support individuals who have,

751
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:47.119
for example, entity encounters like encountering sasquatch, etc. And so

752
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.000
we do have a website and I've provided Jeremiah with

753
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:54.159
that with that link. Another thing is the Minefield Bulletin

754
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.360
from the Parapsychological Association as well as the Edge Science

755
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.880
Journal with the Society for Scientific Exploration. Those are two

756
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:09.920
organizations that are professional that also produce peer reviewed journals,

757
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:15.920
and Minefield Bulletin and Edge Science except publications accept submissions

758
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.840
from people. So if you're a solid writer and you

759
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.800
have information that you want to share with the world,

760
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.400
both Edge Science and Minefield are more public facing and

761
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:28.599
are that is, they're focus more on lay folk and

762
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.199
not necessarily on academic or the academic community. And so

763
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:36.079
I highly suggest people look at those organizations and those publications.

764
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.719
I'm on the editorial board for Minefield Bulletin. The last

765
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:42.519
thing I would say very quickly is that there's a book,

766
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.440
Paranormal Ruptures, that I contributed to as an author, and

767
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:51.039
that book received one of the twenty twenty four Book

768
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.519
Awards from the Parapsychological Association, and the chapter that I

769
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:58.960
wrote on it is about the disconnect between Western culture

770
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.360
or Western science, it's mainstream science more generally, and the

771
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.719
pursuit or discovery of sasquatch. So I would just say

772
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.719
that for anybody who's interested, are okay picking up a

773
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.440
book that has paradorable of the title, definitely check that

774
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:17.119
out or you can reach me at DSB Mitchell at

775
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.239
gmail dot com, and I'd love to hear from you

776
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.519
about any questions or anything you want to share. So

777
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.639
I'm really glad to be here, really thankful Jeremiah for

778
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:29.320
all that you do and for the community that you've cultivated.

779
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.519
Fantastic Lisa similar Doctor David SB Mitchell, thank you so

780
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.519
much for coming on the show and we will definitely

781
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:40.599
be in touch, but thank you again. To participate in

782
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:45.599
Lisa's study or contact Lisa or doctor David directly, please

783
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.599
go to these show notes which contain that information, and

784
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:50.559
thank you for listening.

785
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:51.159
Here.

786
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.719
At big for Society, our goal is to provide a

787
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:57.960
platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their

788
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.920
encounter and is safe in respect environment. But we need

789
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.239
to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you

790
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:10.559
just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot

791
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.679
Soociety at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

792
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.519
I know a lot of you have not shared your

793
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:23.039
encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time

794
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.760
that you get this off your chest and then you

795
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.039
can get some well deserved for rest because I know

796
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.920
you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through

797
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:34.679
and I appreciate every one of you listening.

798
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:39.440
Bigfoot Society podcasts hosted by our captain there Amaya Byron.

799
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.480
Whereas all Bigfoot, all the time, have you ever had

800
00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.239
the urge to do more? To be more? Now? You

801
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:52.840
can by joining Bigfoot Society on the patreons. Get out

802
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:56.159
free episodes and even number only episodes, take part in

803
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.920
movie Night and even live video chats, interact behind the

804
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:03.719
scenes with Jeremiah and other Patreon members like me, play

805
00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:08.559
it the Powerful podcast goes on, and you may contribute

806
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:13.039
a verse in our Patreon community car padm Seize the day,

807
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.159
big twitters and make your lives extraordinary.

808
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:19.519
Please take a minute to help out the show by

809
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:23.119
subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so

810
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.679
you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on

811
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.719
YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us

812
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.000
on a podcast Thank you so much. Make sure that

813
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:37.239
you're subscribed. Share the show with a friend. Really, it's

814
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:40.480
all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've

815
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.360
had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know

816
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:47.639
someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot

817
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:51.119
Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

818
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:56.960
Here's the list. These are all on Oregon by the way, Oakridge,

819
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:01.199
Dexter Fall Creek, to Shoot, National Force Area, Cultist Lake,

820
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:06.440
Spirit Lake, Subtle Lake, Mackenzie River Area, Sweet Home Area,

821
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.360
the area west of Crater Lake, east of two thirty

822
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:13.559
West Diamond Lake Highway and north of sixty two Crater

823
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:18.480
Lake Highway. You can use email Bigfoot Society at gmail

824
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:22.480
dot com. A special thank you to all the Bigfoot Society,

825
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.960
Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's your support that helps

826
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:30.159
keep the show going and I extremely appreciate it. If

827
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:33.239
you want to join in the fun, you can join

828
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.840
over at patreon dot com forward slash the big Foot Society.

829
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.400
I'll see you there and again, thanks for listening.