Nov. 19, 2025

Woman Encounters Sasquatch at Sullivan Lake — Then the Government Calls Her

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Season 1

When Angelique Benham went kayaking at Sullivan Lake, Washington, she never expected to lock eyes with a massive, human-like Sasquatch only eight feet away. What began as a peaceful day on the water turned into a life-changing encounter that would draw the attention of the U.S. government.

In this powerful episode, Angelique — researcher and member of Legacy Discoveries: In Search of the Truth — recounts her first-hand Bigfoot sighting, the mysterious government phone call that followed, and decades of ongoing encounters in the forests of the Pacific Northwest.

🎙️ Topics covered:

• Angelique’s close Sasquatch encounter at Sullivan Lake
• The shocking government call that followed her sighting
• Years of research on the forest people across Washington and Idaho
• How Native teachings shaped her understanding of the Sasquatch tribes
• What she’s learned from decades of Bigfoot investigations

If you’re fascinated by real Bigfoot
encounters, paranormal research, or government secrecy, this episode will keep you on the edge of your seat.

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You're listening to Big the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big Society. I've got

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the privilege of talking to Angelique Benham today. Angelique is

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with the group Legacy Discoveries in search of the truth.

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She's got many, many years of really researching into the

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forest people. Correct, correct, Yeah, that's awesome. That is so cool, Angelique.

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You know, when I have the privilege of having a

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research around the show, I always like to know how

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they got their start, Much like you had just asked

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me before we started rolling, what was it that first

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got you interested into doing this twenty plus years of research?

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Well, my very first encounter is what got me interested

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in it. I actually come from a background of a

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family that didn't believe in Sasquatch. We were extremely skeptical.

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I grew up on the reservation in the Callville Reservation

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in northeastern Washington. But I had grown up kind of

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believing that it was mostly a legend or something that

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happened many, many years ago, but wasn't really anything that

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was in my wheelhouse, anything I expected to ever have

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happened to me. More or less, I believed that it

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might have been something that they did to kind of

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keep the kids from wandering too far from camp, you know.

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So I have to admit that, in my naivete and

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in my youthful arrogance, I didn't really believe in sasquatch.

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So it completely changed my life. One day when I

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took my three sons and my sister in law and

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my three nephews and we decided to go up to

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Sullivan Lake in the northeastern corner of Washington State, And

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when we were kayaking, I ended up having a extremely

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close encounter with a large male Sasquatch who was sitting

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on the bank of Sullivan Lake. While I was kayaking

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very slowly past him. He looked so human that I

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didn't know I was looking at a sasquatch. My entire

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frame of reference was always the Patterson Gimlin film from

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the nineteen sixties, and so I thought that if Bigfoot

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did exist, they all looked like Patty. I didn't know

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that not only do they exist, but they vary, just

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like we do, in their appearances, from what could look

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like the Patterson Gimlin film all the way to what

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I saw, which was a hairy man that was just

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a man with a lot of hair. I really didn't

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know that he was a sasquatch. What caught my attention

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was that he was absolutely enormous, just a tank of

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a man, and very very tall, and he was very

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good looking. He didn't he wasn't scary in any way,

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shape or form. He was very attractive. But when I

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was kayaking past him, I had left my vest, my

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life fest with one of my kids, and so I

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didn't have a life fest, and so I was staying

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right up against the shore while I was kayaking, so

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that if I rolled my boat, I could be right

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there offshore and I wouldn't have to worry about anything

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being caught too far out, you know, without a life fest.

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So I was very close to him. I was probably

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only about eight feet away, and I have since gone

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back to that area and gone to where that stump was,

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and eight feet might even be counting it a little

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bit far. So I was very close to him. He

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was sitting on a log, and as I was passing him,

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I looked over at him and waved, and I thought

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that he was a man when he stood up, though,

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I did get a good look at him at one

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point where I realized that this man whom I first

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thought was an elder man wearing turtleneck and long sleeves

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and ninety degree weather, and thinking, well, that's a little odd,

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but you know some people do that. When I passed

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in front of him, I was able to realize that

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he was actually covered in hair and he was naked,

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And then I was embarrassed. I didn't want to look

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at him because I was embarrassed because I realized then

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that he was nude. And I also didn't want to

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offend him because his face was so intelligent human and

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he had a very proud kind of almost I want

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to say, regal look about him. He had very excellent,

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excellent posture. He actually had one foot one leg crossed

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over the other was holding on to his knee, so

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very very good posture, and just held his chin up

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really high and proud, and he had just these beautiful

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eyes that were just stunning. I mean, I've never seen

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I've never seen a set of contacts. I've never seen

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anything that even resembled the eye colored that he had.

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So I was caught off guard by the way that

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this man looked. And then when I realized as I

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was passing him that it was hair and not clothes,

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then I was almost ashamed of myself because I was

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gawing at him, and I didn't want him to feel embarrassed,

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you know, that I was staring at him, so I

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looked away, but I looked over my shoulder, and when

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I looked over my shoulder, he had stood up and

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he had reached up with his arm and it pulled

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a branch out of his face. And this man was

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absolutely enormous. He wasn't just tall, he was he was

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probably four fe across the shoulder, and his biceps were

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just enormous, and I could literally see his muscles ripple

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when he moved his arm. And then he lifted his

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foot up and I could see the muscles on his

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thigh just ripple, and I remember thinking, judging from the

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looks of him, that he was probably two feet taller

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than my dad, and my dad was six foot six,

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so he was a very, very, very big man. And

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I was more wondering about this man with all this

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body hair, and I felt really embarrassed because I didn't

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want him to be feel like I was judging him

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for his hair, the body hair. So I looked away,

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and when I looked back the last time, he was gone. Now,

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Sylvan Lake is an enormous lake, and so when I

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got about halfway across or halfway down the lake, I

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met up with my family because they were all ahead

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of me. When I met up with them, my sister

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in law went, oh, look, there's a hunter up there.

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And I looked up on the top of the mountain,

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and for those of you that want to google it,

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it was it's called Hall Mountain, and Hall Mountain has

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a bald spot across it's a meadow that faces the lake.

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And when I looked up there to the top of

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Hall Mountain, there was that man and he was walking

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parallel with me. And as I was clear down on

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the lake and he was up there. We could stills

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see him, and he was staying with me. And he

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did that all the way until we got to the

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other side of the mountain and to the far side

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of the lake, and he disappeared into the trees. But

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he followed me that whole day, and I still I didn't.

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It didn't sit well with me that this man was

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so big and so hairy, but I didn't think of

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him as a Sasquatch. I thought of him as this big,

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hairy neudiced who for some reason was walking and not

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concerned about the terrain because Hall Mountain is really steep

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and rocky, and was just following. It was one of

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those things that it was like it didn't sit well

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with me, but I didn't. I still didn't want to

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think sasquatch because it just wasn't. He didn't look like

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Patterson the Patterson Gimlin film. He looked like a man.

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He looked like a tall man. So after I saw him,

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it started bugging me and I ended up getting on

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a website. Now this is back in the year two thousand.

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I got on a website and I was looking for

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anybody that could give me answers to what I was

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trying to find out about this disease because I thought

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he must have a genetic disorder with the hair, you know,

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and I wanted to learn about that. And I was

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in college and I had just gotten my first computer,

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and we were I was trying to do some research.

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But you really couldn't find much in the year two thousand.

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It really wasn't It really wasn't a really really good

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research back then. But I did find a chat room

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that had a forum where you could fill out any

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kind of an anomaly. It could been little people, could

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have been ghosts, could have been you know, aliens. You

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posted it in this chat room full of your peers

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and then they would kind of give you their best answers.

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And I did that, but people were given me answers

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that I wasn't looking for. They were saying, well, you

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may you probably saw a sasquatch or a bigfoot, and

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I'm going no, I just saw a big airy man.

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What's this disease? What's this disorder? You know? And they

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weren't giving me answer that I wanted, So I kind

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of gave up and I showd the computer down. Now,

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back then, I probably I didn't worry too much about hackers.

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It was still kind of becoming a new thing twenty

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five years ago. So if they asked me for my

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phone number, I probably gave it. I probably gave out

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a bunch of information to get on this website. And

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it wasn't long after that I got a phone call

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from a gentleman who excuse me, it came up on

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a caller ID box. I had a caller ID box

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attached to my landline and it said US Government on it. Well,

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I have a brother. Yeah, I have a brother who

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works in the US government, and he retired from the

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US government. And so when I saw US Government, I

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thought something bad had happened to my brother. So I

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picked up and I'm waiting to hear something horrible, you know,

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that my brother had passed away or something bad, you know.

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And this gentleman you know, asked me, is this Angelique?

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And yes, this is me, And then he introduced himself

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to me and said he worked for some department. He

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gave me his name, told me that the department. But

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I wasn't paying attention because I was expecting the worst

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of the worst. But he said, I want to talk

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to you about the sasquatch you saw at Sullivan Lake,

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and I went, no, what, I didn't see it sasquatch.

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I just saw a big hairy man. And it still

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wasn't connecting because I was still waiting for him. You know,

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why would the US government be calling me and I

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was still waiting for him to tell me something about

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my brother. Well, when I said that, then, I don't

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know if I irritated him or I don't know if

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he was I don't know if he was laughing, but

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I could hear him on the other and just kind

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of go, I want to talk to you about the

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sassage that you saw Lake. Well, to be honest with you,

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at the moment, it instantly completely freaked me out. I

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didn't have it caught me off guard. Wasn't expected that,

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and I don't know why, but my gut just hang up.

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Talk to this guy, don't give him information, do not

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talk and all to him. As I said, I didn't

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see his ass All I saw was a big hairy

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man and I hung up. Now, twenty five years later,

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I wish I heard what he had to say. I

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really wish I had to found out what this guy

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wanted to talk to me about, because it probably would

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have been really interesting. I don't know if he was caught.

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He sounded like he was being official. Whether or not

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that was just his persona, and he just happened to

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be calling me on his lunch break. I don't know,

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but now I would like to know what it was

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he wanted to talk to me about. But I didn't

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and I hung up, and he did try calling me back,

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and I saw us government and I didn't pick up.

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So that to me was like, okay, what the heck

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did I did? I, you know, And so I talked

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to my kids about it, because they were from you know,

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freshman in high school on down to you know, middle school,

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and I had asked him. Ask my kids, I said,

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did you see the guy? And they said, yeah, we

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saw a hunter walking up on the hill. And I'm like, okay, well,

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and then I told them about the phone call and stuff. Well,

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my oldest son told me and he goes, you know, mom,

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he said, there's this new website that the guys at

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school are talking about. You might want to tell your

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story on it and see if they can help you.

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And of course that was the BFRO and I went

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ahead and I said, okay, and I found it and

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I filled out the little template. And for those of

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you that go back and watch it and look at it,

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that the date on it was actually wrong. It's I

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think it's in the website it's two thousand and two,

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but it really happened to me to the year two

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thousand because it happened right after my brother died. My

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brother died May two thousand, So there's just that glitch.

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But anyway, whenever you fill out something, especially a Class

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A siding, the BFRO will send somebody to talk to

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you and interview you. Well, I got interviewed by a

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man and we ended up talking for like I'm not kidding,

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we had to have talked at least two to three hours,

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if not more, and we ended up turning out to

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be really good friends. And that man is Mel Skahan

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and mel' skahnd Yeah, so for those who know who

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Mel is. Mel was featured on Flash of Beauty and

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I think several documentaries and stuff. Fantastic individual. Him and

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his wife Christine are really good friends of mine. But

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Mel ended up being kind of my mentor for a

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long time. And when when he talked to me and

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we really discussed everything that I saw. Then he basically

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solidified it for me and said, okay, yeah, you did

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see one of the forest people. They don't all look

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like the Patterson Gimlin film. So you know, for those

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who say, well, they only have long arms or they

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only have no neck and stuff, well, they vary just

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like we do in color and size and eye color,

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in you know, everything, and so just like we do.

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And that was my very very very first encounter that

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I know of. I do believe now from all the

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research that we've done and for the many encounters that

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we have had, I believe there may have been more

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that I just was unaware of. But that was the

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first one that I visually came in very close contact

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with and could describe exactly what he looked like. And yeah,

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so that was my very first one. That's what started

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it for me.

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That's absolutely incredible encounter. I know that you also have

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been interviewed by Sybylla Irwin. Correct, yes, and she has

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a really cool artists rendering of what she drew what

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you described, and it is just very cool. I'm going

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to probably put that in the description of this episode

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so people can check that out as well. But a

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question I had about what you saw that day, because

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you mentioned that the eyes were very you know, they

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really drew you in. Were they eyes where you could

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see whites around the pupils or where they all went color?

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Yeah, No, they were just like our eyes. You could see,

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you could see the whites. You could see Actually, I

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was close enough to him that I could literally see

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his eye color and I could see his eyelashes around

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his eyes. He had really just and I can't like

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just pick out a color and go they were brown

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or they were orange. They were just an absolutely beautiful

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golden brown that was really light, a light colored golden

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brown that was somewhat hazel almost but more on a

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yellow brown. Look beautiful. I mean absolutely the most beautiful

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color I had ever seen. And I've, trust me, twenty

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five years. I've looked and I've looked for any kind

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of you know, any kind of like maybe the oh gosh,

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why am I drawing a blank right now? Contacts or

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anything to put in your eye to come up with

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that color. I've never seen anything even close. Sibylla did

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a fantastic job of being able to get as close

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as anybody's been able to now even even the photo

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as much as she did, it's still it still isn't

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the real thing. But I've even had people try to

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use AI to try to try to get close to

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what he looked like, and not even similar Sabylla did

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a fantastic job. Not only that, but she was able

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to bring in the map and show the mountain and

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the diagrams to show where we were at, photos of

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the beach and stuff. She did a fantastic job. So

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and she's not just that, but she's just a wonderful person.

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She's just a good person too, and I really like her.

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She really seems like.

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That.

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She definitely is, you know. I also enjoy watching her

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interviews and hopefully someday I'll be able to talk to her.

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We'll see. But the hair that you saw as well

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on it, did you notice that it was a certain

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color or was there a certain length to it?

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Well? What it was? From a distance, it looked like

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he had silver gray hair from a distance, and it

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was short, kind of trim, and from a distance, I

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thought he was a grandpa. I thought he was an

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elder because he had I had seen him from probably

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one hundred yards away when I first saw him, and

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he was walking down down the embankment following two little boys.

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And the little boys were like our little boys. They

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were wearing little shorts and stuff. So I don't know

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to this day if those little boys had actually seen him,

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or whether or not he was, you know, maybe behind them.

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They weren't paying attention. But he looked like an elder

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that had silver hair and was watching and protecting these

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little boys while they were playing at the water's edge. Now,

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when I got up close, the two little boys took

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off up the hill, and he stayed there by the

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bank and let me go right past him. When I

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got up close to him. That was one of the

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things that kind of caught me off guard, was that

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he wasn't as old as I thought he was. I

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was expecting an old man, and he wasn't. Maybe in

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his early forties. He had Sultan pepper hair, and the

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dark part of his hair was maybe a little bit

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reddsh a little bit of well, if you know, a

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horse is kind of a sorrow color, but mostly salt

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and pepper. So but when I got up close to him,

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it was almost like it was more of a reflection

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of the sun. Was the silver color. When I got

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up close to him, it didn't look as dark as

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it did from it. It didn't look as as white

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as it did from a distance. It looked darker. Does

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that make.

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Sense, Yeah, it absolutely does. Okay, you had seen the

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individual also walk you mentioned, and did it have a

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particular gait to the way it walked or anything out

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of the ordinary.

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No. No, he is smooth, just smooth and graceful. And

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when he walked down the hill towards the water with

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the little boys in front of him, he just watched

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the little boys and then sat down. When he was

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up on the hill, what I noticed was that he

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was well. He was walking what looked like a casual pace,

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very casual, very just just a normal I'm out for

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a walk, but was keeping up with me. And he

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was clear up on the mountain and I was clear

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down here, so he had to have been really covering

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a lot of ground quickly, But he didn't look like

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he was doing much more than just out for a

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Sunday stroll. I did notice that he would look down

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at his feet, and then he would look over at me,

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and then he would look down at his feet and

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then he would look over So it was like he

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was watching where he was walking, and then he would

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look down to where I was down at the water,

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and he just it would be like what anybody else

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would do. There really was nothing about it that looked supernatural,

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other than I know that he had to have really

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been covering a lot of ground, but doing it in

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what looked like just a casual, normal gait.

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Gotcha. Has anyone else reported seeing any any other individual

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that looks like the one that you saw in the

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same area.

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I don't think so, not to my knowledge. I do

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know that Sullivan Lake has had more reports of things

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like tree knocks and whoops and sounds and stuff up

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in that area, but I don't know if anybody's actually

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seen him. I do know that I've recently gone back.

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I went with one of my teammates, Tanya, and her

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and I went back this summer and we walked out

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to where it all happened, and we'd found some structures

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and some things like that that we were able to

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kind of go, Okay, they're still here. They are absolutely

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still there. And I have met a couple of my

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friends that have said that they've had a couple footfalls

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in the dark around their tent and stuff. So there's

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a few there's still some activity going on over there,

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but I don't know if it's him. It could be

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any of the Klan, could.

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Be any absolutely, absolutely, just curious. This area of Washington

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has come up a few times in the last month

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than Actually I just did an interview very recently with

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two gentlemen. Are you familiar with the area called Gypsy Meadows?

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Oh? Yeah, absolutely, yep.

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Is that any place that you have had interactions or

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things occur in.

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I haven't because I moved out of the Carville National

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Forest not too long after this incident had happened, and

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I moved over to North Idaho. I didn't have any

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like I said earlier, that I know of, I could

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have had encounters and just didn't know it because they're

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pretty They're pretty good at coming up real close to

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you without you realizing that they're there. I do know

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that Gypsy Meadows has a lot of We've had a

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lot of reports that came out of Gypsy Meadows, but

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most that's I think Will Almer has more of that area.

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He's a researcherund the Stevens County, that whole Carville National

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Forest area, So that's kind of his territory. We work

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more over in North Idaho.

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Now, okay, gotcha. Yeah, I've actually was just reaching out

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to Will earlier today to see if we could have

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a conversation about that area. So that's pretty cool that

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you have that connections as well. So after you had

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this experience, how did it affect you in the days after?

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Sometimes or for example, sometimes people will have strange things happen,

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or they'll get really into the subject, or sometimes it'll

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just lay dormant for a few years and then they'll

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get into it longer, or they'll get into it later

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in life.

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It didn't I thought that that was an only encounter

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forever ever happened, and so I was just really cool

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the experience. But it happened again. I just kind of

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went that was cool. I kind of moved on with

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my life. It wasn't very long until after I would

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say probably about two years after that. Then my kids

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and I started having more We started having more encounters

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where I had one of them come up in the

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yard one time when my kids were there, they were

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older teenagers at that time, had a pizza party and

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we lived out in the Carville National Forest and my

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middle son opened up the door to let my dog out,

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and there was one standing right off the porch, and

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he pulled the dog back in shut the door because

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he was kind of going, what did I just see?

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Open the door again and it was still standing there,

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and then he said it tried to shoot at him,

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like get away, get away, and he said it was

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he enormous. This is a deck, so it was up

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high on the deck and it was eye level to him.

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And at that time he was probably five foot eight,

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five foot nine at the time. And then he called

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my oldest son, who was at that time, you know,

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in high school, to come look. And then he opened

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the door and he said all he saw was it

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turned and looked at him and then turned around and

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he said, Mom, it was this enormous, big, hairy dude

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and he was just running up the road and disappeared

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in the trees over there. So the next day, of course,

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that was at night, you know. The next day, we

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went out and we found the tracks. They weren't they

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weren't castable tracks, but they were impressions in the bank

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where it had where it had jumped up the bank,

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and we saw that it was headed up the Mountain.

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So and we lived out you know, on by Forest

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Service land, so we didn't have neighbors. It was right

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off the yard, went straight up into the Selkirks. So

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he just ran right out of the yard and went

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right up the hill and they saw that one. I

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didn't see him, They saw that one.

462
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:38.680
Okay, gotcha. And that was in the Colville Reservation, the.

463
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:43.839
Carville National Forest. Yeah, so it was outside outside of Calville. Yeah,

464
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.160
kind of in will Will's territory exactly.

465
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:57.799
Yes, absolutely. So was that a thing where when you

466
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:02.440
were in that area you were experiencing just that one

467
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.200
interaction or did stuff happen off and on for multiple

468
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:12.639
years when you were in that worstereia, Well, that was.

469
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:17.960
When things started to happen where it was we you know,

470
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.679
it would be when you would least expect it, just

471
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:24.840
like driving down the road or something out you know,

472
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.119
out in the woods, and then you would just catch

473
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:32.599
a glimpse of you know, somebody walking that you'd take

474
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.039
a double take and it would be like, okay, that's

475
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:39.519
not natural, that that's not natural, and then it would

476
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.000
just be gone. And it would always be when you

477
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:46.440
least expected it, Like and usually when I had somebody

478
00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:49.639
with me who also witnessed it, So it wasn't like

479
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.599
at that point in time I was trying to be

480
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.119
very very very still skeptical and say, okay, is this

481
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:02.119
my imagination or did you know? Am I just you

482
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.079
know what caused that? And then it would be the

483
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.719
same the other person with me who would also be going, yeah,

484
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.639
I saw that. I saw it too. I was with

485
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:17.800
this lady by the name Madonna who was with the BFROO,

486
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:22.599
and her and I started researching together, and it was

487
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.960
more just for fun. I never expected to find anything.

488
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:28.920
But on our very first outing, we went up to

489
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.800
Little Twin Lakes, which is a part of where Will

490
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:36.480
does a lot of his investigation, and we found in

491
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:43.360
January in a big snowy the snowy ground. No, please

492
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:47.039
excuse me, it wasn't January. It was there was still

493
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.599
snow on the ground, but it wasn't was starting to melt.

494
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.840
There was mud, so it would have been seeing Carbo

495
00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:00.519
area probably in February, probably the middle part of be Worry.

496
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:05.239
We found a mud bog and coming out of just

497
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:09.559
these bushes that were so thick and so thorny, nobody

498
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.960
in their right mind would ever want to ever crawl

499
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:16.239
in there. Coming out of those bushes were perfect sets

500
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.800
of human looking bare feet going right into the water,

501
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.440
and so you know it was her and I both

502
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:26.920
tried to cast that, but it was the very first

503
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.440
cast I had ever done. We picked up every stick

504
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.800
and every pebble, and I mean, we didn't know how

505
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.119
to cast it correctly, and it was just a big

506
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:41.000
glob is all it was. But I think Donnas still

507
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:47.199
has that that casting, but I'm not sure. So, you know,

508
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.960
little things were happening in the Cavell area. But it

509
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:56.519
was after we moved to North Idaho that I had

510
00:36:56.559 --> 00:37:02.239
some property out by river and it was I had

511
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:06.119
seventy seven acres and it was lake front property, but

512
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.639
it was a private lake where it was literally just

513
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.719
my place, so nobody else lived on that lake. I

514
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:18.800
had three sides of that lake was for or three

515
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:22.840
sides that the property was for service. So I had

516
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.280
no close neighbors. And it was wilderness, I mean, and

517
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.320
in North Idaho you have grizzlies, you have moose, you

518
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:36.119
have elk, you have everything. And it was on that

519
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.760
property that we started going, wait a second, you know,

520
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.679
we're hearing noises in the middle of the night that

521
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.719
we can't explain. We've all lived in the forest our

522
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.360
whole lives. We know what we know what elks sound like,

523
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:54.840
we know what you know everything. If you lived in

524
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:58.000
the Inland Northwest, you know what these animals sound like.

525
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.079
And we couldn't get we couldn't figure out what it was.

526
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:07.559
And I ended up having asking Mel, and Mel came

527
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.360
up to visit and brought a recorder and was able

528
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.679
to go out on my property about three o'clock in

529
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.519
the morning. He came out and did a bunch of

530
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:24.800
calls and was able to get responses and recorded I

531
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:29.960
that was just it was. So from that point of

532
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:36.199
time it just escalated. I started meeting people who had encounters.

533
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.320
Those people started putting me in contact with other people

534
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:45.960
who had encounters, and it started turning into that this

535
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:50.119
collection of people just would they would see me and go, hey,

536
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:53.199
I heard you had some going on. You know, well

537
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.239
this happened to me in that same area, you know,

538
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.559
And this happened, and this happened, and this happened, and

539
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.599
all these people and it just escalated to the point

540
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:07.639
that we kind of went, my goodness, you know, there's

541
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.920
this is a hot spot this is a huge hot spot.

542
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.599
So I did a little bit of research and the

543
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.440
area that that was was the Hoodoo Valley.

544
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:19.440
So the Hoodoo Valley.

545
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:26.000
Yeah, the Hoodoo Valley in North Idaho has been known

546
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:32.280
for many, many, many generations for their being just things

547
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:38.599
happening that are supernatural, paranormal all over, not just Bigfoot.

548
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:43.400
There's also people that have had encounters with dogmen. There's

549
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:48.719
been uh uh, these white things we don't even I

550
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.360
don't even know what they are, but they're tall and bald,

551
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.920
and they kind of look almost like a sasquatch, but

552
00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:00.920
they're hairless and they look really really scary. There's been

553
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:05.960
encounters with people saying that there's aliens, all kinds of

554
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.559
stuff in Hohodo Valley, Hoo Doo Valley connected to who

555
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.360
do mountain? Who do? Uh yeah, who do mountain? And

556
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:21.239
so this whole area is all connected to the Selkirks.

557
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:25.079
So the Selkirks start out at the base of the

558
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:29.599
Spokane Valley right at the edge of the Polue and

559
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.400
they go all the way up where they meet into Canada.

560
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.199
And then you can either go east and go right

561
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.119
into the Cabinet Mountain range and go right into Montana,

562
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:43.360
or you go west and end up over in the

563
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:48.280
you know, up over the Cascades and then up over

564
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.760
into Canada. So I mean basically, once you hit this area,

565
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.320
you go all the way up into Canada and it

566
00:40:56.440 --> 00:41:00.559
just doesn't stop. And there's places that you can get

567
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:04.400
from Spokane Valley up into Canada and never cross a road.

568
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:11.880
I mean it it's wilderness, so you know, all anything

569
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:17.000
could be up in here, but it's not. It's not

570
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:23.000
just you know that we've experienced this stuff coming at

571
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.599
us and hearing things and talking to people. It's that

572
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.760
after a while, it got to the point where we

573
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.000
started having interactions with them.

574
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:35.719
I was going to ask you next, when did that start,

575
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:40.440
because yeah, I can absolutely tell that it. It did

576
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:41.400
happen at one point.

577
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:47.159
Yeah, oh absolutely. So yeah. So what started for me

578
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:54.320
was about four years ago. I was just freshly divorced

579
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:56.840
and about a brand new Jeep and I was out

580
00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:03.000
prison the back logging roads just playing around and this

581
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:08.360
tree I've come around, this really really narrow dirt road

582
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.760
was literally just idling because it was it was just

583
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:18.480
a dart road and there was a fresh fallen pine

584
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:22.400
tree that was the road was getting ready to go

585
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:27.320
right around this pine tree. And as I was coming

586
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.719
around the corner, I saw a flash of black at

587
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.119
the end of the pine tree and I knew it

588
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:39.239
was It was like the biggest bear I had ever seen.

589
00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.320
And I mean, I've been up in the woods so much,

590
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.960
and I've camped and worked in logging and reinforestation and stuff,

591
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.199
so bears or that's a part of life. It's just

592
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:53.719
a part of life. But this was like the biggest

593
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:58.440
bear I have ever seen in my life. And when

594
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.599
I stepped on the brakes, I was sitting there idling,

595
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.159
and this bear didn't leave, and I thought, well, that's

596
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.440
kind of weird, because usually the sound of a vehicle

597
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:13.599
that bears are out of there. They just they're gone

598
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.800
if they hear a vehicle. And I'm sitting there and

599
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:23.159
I'm about I don't know, maybe I would say, probably

600
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.880
forty feet from it, and it started rocking back and

601
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.280
forth like this, and I went, okay, wait a second,

602
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:37.039
that's not what Bears don't rock back and forth like that.

603
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:41.719
And so I sat and really looked at what I

604
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:45.679
was looking at, and then I realized what I was

605
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.920
seeing was I was seeing a woman, a hairy woman

606
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:58.039
squatted down like on her haunches, whether her feet tucked

607
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.960
up underneath her. She had hands on both sides of

608
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:07.800
her eyes like this, and I could see her down

609
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:09.960
her shoulder, I could see the side of her breast,

610
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:14.480
I could see all her hip down her legs and

611
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:20.159
her feet, and she was sitting and rocking back and forth.

612
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:24.159
And I went, Okay, I know what I'm looking at.

613
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.159
I know what I'm looking at now. And by then

614
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:34.559
I had had enough encounters, you know, spotty encounters that

615
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.039
I had talked to mel. I had been working with

616
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:43.880
a mentor from the Lakota tribe who had been helping me,

617
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.639
telling me what to do, you know, and so I

618
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.119
knew at that point in time that I needed to

619
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.480
talk to her. So I rolled down my window and

620
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.679
I stuck my head out and I said, I see you.

621
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.000
I'm not here to hert too. I'm not here to

622
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:04.639
cause you any problems. I'm not going to take your picture,

623
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:09.159
but I have to go that way with my vehicle,

624
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:16.519
so I'm going to come on ahead of you, and

625
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:18.800
I just want you to know I'm not here to

626
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:24.599
hurt you. And it was like after I said that,

627
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.079
because at first, you know, I've got my hand on

628
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.639
the gear shift. I'm like, do I pop it in reverse?

629
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.719
I mean, I don't know if I if I need

630
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.239
to get out of here, I gotta be ready. But

631
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.400
it was like I kind of got this feeling like

632
00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:43.800
it's okay, go ahead. So I'm okay, and I just

633
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.519
popped it in first, and I just let myself just

634
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.360
slowly kind of idle forward. And as I got towards her,

635
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.000
I started noticing that at her feet, that black, that

636
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:03.760
black color that she was started almost like a vibration.

637
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:06.639
It was like it no, it wasn't. Almost it was

638
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:16.760
vibrating like a shimmery kind of thing, almost like oh goodness,

639
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:20.360
like when you see a heat wave come across the highway.

640
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:34.199
It vibrating and vibrating. That black started when visible turned

641
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:40.360
light turned into like it looked like a bush, like

642
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:45.599
a quaky act that romory green leaves you see in

643
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:53.559
Alaska quake eas It's a leaf that kind of moves

644
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.400
a lot, and it flips from like lighter colored green

645
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:03.199
to a darker grain shine. And I watched her just

646
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:09.920
kind of I guess chameleon into like this green quaky bush,

647
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:14.920
and I went, wow, Okay, So I just saw her

648
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:24.760
go into something I'd never even thought of before, and went, Okay,

649
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.760
that's that's weird, but I'm gonna just keep on forward.

650
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:34.360
And as I was passing the tree, I was looking

651
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.679
over and I still couldn't see her. I could see

652
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.199
the pine boughs and the needles and stuff off the

653
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:45.039
pine tree and what looked like the quaky bush at

654
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:51.440
the far end. But halfway down the tree, this little

655
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:57.119
head popped up and I was eye level with a

656
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:04.880
little gray, kind of gray skinned, ash skinned little boy.

657
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:10.960
And I was literally looking into this face of a

658
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:17.400
child that looked like he was maybe two years old too,

659
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:23.360
like a toddler. He had a little bit of hair,

660
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:27.599
but not a lot. He wasn't like covered in hair.

661
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:32.480
He had like I guess pork chops is what you'd

662
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.920
call it, kind of the whiskers down here, but the

663
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.760
rest of his face didn't have any hair. And he

664
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:44.519
was actually kind of a cute little little guy. But

665
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:48.320
he looked over at her at the end of the tree,

666
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:51.440
and he looks at me, and he kind of got

667
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:54.360
a look on his face like oh, and he ducked

668
00:48:54.480 --> 00:49:00.320
back down behind the tree again and vanished behind the tree.

669
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:04.159
And here I am just coasting by going Did I

670
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.280
just see that? And I looked over and that was

671
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:14.440
when I saw another another one standing up against the

672
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:18.840
back her She was standing underneath a tree, had her

673
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:22.159
back against a tree. And it was a young woman

674
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:31.320
who looked like, uh, maybe fifteen sixteen years old. But

675
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:38.559
she was very pretty. She had she looked very like

676
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:45.440
an Australian Aborigine. She had very dark skin, very like

677
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:51.199
full lips. She just she actually was very pretty and

678
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:57.360
just built like Olympic runner. Like you could see her

679
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:01.119
six pack, and you could tell that she was nude,

680
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:05.360
but it was like you couldn't really see anything. It

681
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:10.519
was all kind of covered in dark hair, but you

682
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:13.880
could still see the muscle structure on her. She was ripped.

683
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:19.480
She was ripped, but she was proportionately ripped like athletic

684
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:25.000
athletic jar I mean, Olympic athlete, is what she looked like.

685
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:31.800
When I went past, I looked back and I couldn't

686
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:36.800
see either any of them again. But I hopped down

687
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.039
the road a little ways and I reached a dead end.

688
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.320
I had to turn around and come back. And when

689
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:44.039
I had to turn around and come back, I couldn't

690
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:47.119
see any of them again. Now I went and I

691
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:51.599
took one of my teammates at the time. I was

692
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.239
in Sasquatch Sisters Northwest and I was with Cindy Goodbreak,

693
00:50:55.960 --> 00:51:00.960
and I took her with me, and because she wanted

694
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.119
to see she wanted to see that. So I went

695
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.280
back the next day and I took Cindy with me,

696
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:11.800
And when we got there, that quaky bush there was

697
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:14.679
no quaky bush. It was just the pine tree. There

698
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.880
was no bushes around it. It was just a pine tree.

699
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:25.119
So that was something that literally happened from the woman

700
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:31.400
we got out. We found all around it was bald

701
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:34.559
spots on the ground behind the tree where they had

702
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:39.440
been sitting and had worn the grass completely bare. And

703
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:44.880
there were bones all over, stacks of little piles of

704
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:49.880
bones of different various bones, like you'd find a hit

705
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:54.119
bone with a vertebrae and maybe a femur or something,

706
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.440
but you wouldn't find the whole carcass. You would just

707
00:51:56.480 --> 00:51:59.800
find pieces. So it was almost like they gathered there

708
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:05.119
to have dinner, you know, right, And we that was

709
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:10.800
just the beginning of when we started realizing that that's

710
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.239
what they do. So I started doing my own kind

711
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:17.679
of research when it came to going and looking for

712
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:22.719
fallen trees and stuff, and we found I can't tell

713
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:27.440
you how many trees that had bones and bear spots

714
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.039
behind it where they use it like a blind. They

715
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.760
sit behind it and they watch human activity. So, you know,

716
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:38.440
I always encourage people that if you're in an area

717
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:44.079
where there's forest and there's you know, say homes or

718
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:49.239
you know some popular populated area, look for that one

719
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:53.239
fallen tree, look for that one tree that parallels, and

720
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.880
then go behind it and you'll find the bear spots

721
00:52:56.920 --> 00:52:59.559
where they sit there and they watch. Because it's a

722
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:02.800
perfect blind, you don't see him. They can see out,

723
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.599
but you don't see them.

724
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:09.760
That is such a cool experience. It's actually something I

725
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:15.800
was gonna I was going to ask you because and

726
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.880
I'll just tell the story really quick. I had a

727
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.360
very I had a kind of similar experience like that

728
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.840
out in Oak Ridge in twenty twenty four, down by

729
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.360
the reservoir. And I remember I was driving. Okay, so

730
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:33.920
there's this guy I know, his name is Bill from

731
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:40.760
out in Oregon, and he's like, he's like, when you're

732
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.760
ready to see one, all you have to do is

733
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.360
just say in your mind, I'm ready to see one,

734
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.039
and I was. It was the last day before I

735
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.119
left to go back to Iowa. I was driving down

736
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:59.639
this road by the reservoir and I was like, you

737
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:01.960
know what, But in my mind, I was like, you

738
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.559
know what, I'm ready to see one. Literally, I drive

739
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.840
by this pine tree that's covered with ivy and I

740
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:13.519
see the silhouette of what looks like a seven foot sasquatch,

741
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:16.840
and then a half a second later it disappears into

742
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:18.840
the ivy and I was like, I don't know what

743
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:23.599
just happened. And the crazy thing is is that this

744
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.880
last year, or July of twenty twenty five, I go

745
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.920
back to the same area. I can't find the pine tree.

746
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.960
Really I find it. Yeah, the whole pine tree. I

747
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.719
can't find it. And I'm like, so, I don't know

748
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.639
what happened that day, but well I heard your account

749
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:44.719
just then. I was like, man, what a cool thing.

750
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:48.760
Sounds a little bit familiar, So yeah, yeah, cool stuff.

751
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:52.760
Well I did. I got a hold of mouse Gayhan

752
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:56.360
again and I told him what happened, and all he

753
00:54:56.440 --> 00:55:02.199
did was he just goes, congratulations, you saw one cloak finally,

754
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:08.079
and I was like, that's bloging and that because he

755
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:14.760
was like he was almost applauding me, so he was like, congratulations. Yeah,

756
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:20.320
So that was that was the beginning of me meeting

757
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:27.320
her and her kids. Okay, Now where that took place,

758
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:33.400
it was literally, as the crow flies, right about half

759
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:37.320
a mile from where I used to live on the ranch. Now,

760
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.519
I had to leave that ranch when I married my

761
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.239
ex husband, and I lost it all, of course, because

762
00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:45.760
I left it all to be with him, and now

763
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.360
I'm divorced, so I've lost my property. But I still

764
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.960
go back there all the time because there's a forest service,

765
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:56.280
you know, around that whole area. So I go up

766
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:58.920
to the forest service and I spend time up in

767
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:04.639
there being with her. Now, this was the very beginning

768
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:09.960
of when I met doctor igor Bertsev from Russia. Oh

769
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:14.559
sure and yeah, and he started working with me on

770
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:19.400
learning how to do mind speak. Then I had Tanya

771
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:24.239
Braddek who is part of our team, and she has

772
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:31.119
Existential Impath podcast, and so she teaches how to mind

773
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:36.760
speak and how to be empathic and intuitive to your

774
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:41.960
surroundings to know when something's going on. So Tanya and

775
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:47.199
I have literally been partners in going out and researching

776
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:52.440
since then. So it's been about four years of almost

777
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:57.719
every single weekend, sometimes a couple times a week, going

778
00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:03.800
out into the woods and tracking, finding structures, and then

779
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:08.880
going into these areas and asking to communicate and what

780
00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:12.719
you said about what he told you about asking to

781
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:18.639
see one. That's a huge thing because what we found

782
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:25.000
to be extremely successful is that you have to think

783
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:31.719
of these people as basically they are a uncivilized they're

784
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:37.000
more civilized than what you realize, though uncivilized tribe that

785
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:42.679
you would meet in say the rainforest of Brazil. Okay,

786
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.880
you come across this tribe, you have to think of

787
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.519
it interculturally. What's the first thing that you do? You

788
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:57.320
show respect? You do not. You do not assume that

789
00:57:57.440 --> 00:58:02.320
because they're human shape and look like you, that they're

790
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:08.800
going to just automatically think and have the same morals,

791
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:14.039
the same you know, more's the same rules that we do.

792
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:17.960
They're not. You have to go into it, put your

793
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:22.840
ego aside, and go into it with a humble attitude

794
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:27.519
to learn from them and be kind when you do

795
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:32.159
it and respectful. What we do is we enter in

796
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:37.079
when we see a structure, which is it's so simple.

797
00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:39.400
You don't have to go out in the middle of

798
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:41.880
the night. You don't have to go up in the

799
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:46.480
middle of nowhere and hike in twenty miles. You don't

800
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:50.400
have to do that. You literally go where you find evidence,

801
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.280
and you just go back to that area. And then

802
00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:02.000
you state your intention. Introduce yourself, because if you're meeting

803
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.039
somebody for the first time, what's the first thing you do.

804
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:08.599
You introduce yourself. Introduce the people that are around you.

805
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:15.000
You ask to have a friendly encounter with them. State

806
00:59:15.039 --> 00:59:18.000
your intention. Your intention is that you want to learn

807
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:20.679
from them, and you would like to be able to

808
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.119
take the information that they're going to give you back

809
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:28.000
to our people and teach our people. Then you show

810
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:35.119
respect by you show respect by being one hundred percent honest.

811
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:38.119
You tell them, I'm only here for the day. If

812
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:42.199
you're here for the day, I might be back, but

813
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:47.719
I might not. You tell them when you're leaving, and

814
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.920
if you're going to come back, be sure to tell

815
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:56.519
them that you're going to come back. Do not, ever, ever,

816
00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.199
ever tell them that you're not going to come back

817
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.440
and then change your mind later and come back, because

818
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:08.519
to them, that's a lie. You just gave them, a falsehood.

819
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:11.320
You told me, you weren't coming back, but you're here now.

820
01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:16.320
Now we can't trust you. Trust is one hundred percent

821
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:20.679
with them, and truth is one hundred percent. And when

822
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:23.719
I go out in the woods, I was even I

823
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.119
was even taught do not go out in the woods

824
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.159
and wear makeup. If you're a woman, don't go out

825
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:34.800
wearing makeup. This is fake. If you're wearing makeup, that's

826
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:38.400
not you. And they don't like that. They want truth.

827
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:42.599
They want you to tell them what you're there for.

828
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:47.960
Who are you, and you know, basically state why you're here.

829
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:53.480
And then if they so choose to communicate with you,

830
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:58.320
make sure you give an offering. But don't do candy.

831
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:04.000
Don't do things process foods. They make us sick. They

832
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:10.639
make them sick. Don't give them candy. Don't introduce tooth decay. Okay,

833
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:13.679
if you've got apples, you can bring them something natural

834
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:18.800
like apples. You can give them nuts. They love nuts.

835
01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:22.760
Don't do peanut butter, though they love peanut butter. Don't

836
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:25.639
get me wrong, but peanut butter isn't good for them anymore.

837
01:01:26.480 --> 01:01:30.079
And there's a lot of additives and stuff. So what

838
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.559
we do is we gift tobacco and we use natural tobacco.

839
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:39.920
We get American spirit because it's loose and it's natural,

840
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:44.679
and then we bring it out to them because for generations,

841
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:49.880
tobacco has always been utilized by the native tribes as

842
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:56.159
an offering of friendship and honor. Even today, when you're

843
01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:59.360
out of pow Wow, when you're meeting elders, you always

844
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:04.480
bring tobacco. So it's a high honor to bring tobacco.

845
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:10.119
So we give them tobacco and we state this is

846
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:16.599
an offering for you in token of our friendship. After

847
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:20.679
you've introduced yourself, then you let them know that this

848
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:24.119
tobacco is for them. And you don't put it on

849
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:26.880
the ground. They're not dogs, they're not animals. They're not

850
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:29.159
going to lap it up off the ground. You put

851
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.400
it on a stump, or you put it on a rock,

852
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:35.239
but you don't put it directly on the ground. That's disrespectful.

853
01:02:36.199 --> 01:02:41.719
So everything that you do you do with respect. And

854
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:44.920
then on your way out, you thank them for the

855
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.199
time that they allowed you to be there. You thanked them.

856
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:52.920
If they gave you noises, hoots, hollers, whatever, you thank

857
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:56.159
them for that. Tell them that it made you happy

858
01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:00.320
and that you want to come back again and be

859
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:05.239
with them again. And each time you go back it

860
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:09.239
gets better and better. And I will tell you that

861
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:13.000
some of the most beautiful experiences I have ever experienced

862
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:16.360
in my life have been with the forest people who

863
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:21.159
have allowed me to come in and see their children,

864
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:27.679
be with them, listen to them laugh and giggle and

865
01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:34.239
play practical jokes. We've had just some funny things. They

866
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:38.519
have a great sense of humor. We've had some funny

867
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.320
things happen where they've liked to sneak up on us

868
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.400
and then bark really loud to make you jump and squeal,

869
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:49.280
and then they laugh. And so I mean, it's just

870
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:54.000
like being around the children. The children are the ones.

871
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:59.400
It's just like being around your own kids. It's exactly

872
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:05.000
the same way the parents. The parents are more stoic.

873
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.800
They're very protective of their children, and if they feel

874
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:14.599
that you're endangering one of them, they will scare you away.

875
01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:20.679
So these you know where people are thinking that they're

876
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:24.400
coming in contact with a demon, well they can be

877
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:29.039
pretty scary, yeah, but they're not demons. They're just getting

878
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:32.840
you away from their baby, you know, and anything any

879
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:39.440
parent would do. So they're just it's there. It's miraculous

880
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:45.960
to watch and see and witness and have other people

881
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:50.199
with me while this happens and witness it and see

882
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:55.639
it and go, oh my goodness. And yet people are

883
01:04:55.679 --> 01:05:01.679
still people still will go, you're crazy, You're insane. It's

884
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:06.840
all a hoax, you know. And I think anybody that

885
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:11.440
has experienced it is going to say the same thing

886
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:16.119
that most of this you can't talk about. I have

887
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.760
family members I can't talk about. I can't talk to

888
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:22.960
this about. I have friends I can't talk to this about.

889
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:30.800
I've lost friends, family members, lost a job because wow, really,

890
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:36.239
you know, people just go, you're a quack, and and

891
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:39.920
it's not it. We've had so many people who were

892
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.519
witnesses to it all and we've all experienced it, just

893
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:47.800
going oh my goodness, and yet none of us can

894
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.920
talk outside of this community. And it's really frustrating.

895
01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:56.519
So when you are are doing that where you're you know,

896
01:05:56.599 --> 01:06:00.599
stating your intention and asking different things, are you doing

897
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.920
that verbally then or is it in your mind? Because

898
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:05.039
I've heard both.

899
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:11.119
Well, actually we do both. We did learn, we did

900
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:15.280
learn how to do mind speak. Tanya is actually just

901
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:21.440
absolutely adept at it. She's amazing at it. But what

902
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:28.119
I do is usually out loud speak out loud. Tanya

903
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:32.400
can do it all through mind speak I do. I

904
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:35.400
have learned how to do mind speak and have had

905
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:39.559
some pretty amazing things that have happened through it that

906
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:45.280
have been validated by other people. So it is. It

907
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.719
is a legitimate thing, and it is a legitimate science

908
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:54.519
that like even doctor BURTSAIV had told us that they've

909
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:57.400
been doing this for many many years in the US

910
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:04.559
government experimenting with my speak or telepathy. So it is

911
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:09.440
something that's legitimate. But not all people have the ability,

912
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:14.920
and like myself, I have it only when I least

913
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:19.400
expect it, so it'll happen, and then I can try

914
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:22.360
and try and try in nothing for months, and then

915
01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:24.800
all of a sudden, I'll just be walking in the

916
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.920
forest and boom, I'll get something like who are you

917
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.800
and what are you here for? Oh, I'm sorry, I

918
01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:34.480
forgot to introduce myself, you know, so something like that.

919
01:07:34.760 --> 01:07:38.880
But you know, there was that I wanted to share

920
01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:43.079
with you something that happened over in Oregon. You said

921
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:47.199
that you were over in the well am It National Forest.

922
01:07:47.679 --> 01:07:49.679
Ye, over in the Cascade region.

923
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:55.079
Yep, Yeah, So I was up in the West Cascades

924
01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:58.639
with a friend of mine and I have to tell

925
01:07:58.639 --> 01:08:02.559
you this, do we have enough time for Genia? Okay?

926
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:08.280
So I had to take my friend and I my

927
01:08:08.320 --> 01:08:12.360
friend Carlos, So Carlos, I can't pronounce his last name

928
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:19.319
of Abascal a abuscle. Yeah. Okay. So Carlos traveled the

929
01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:24.880
world recently looking for sasquatch and when he got back,

930
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:29.439
and actually he found some amazing things and he did

931
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:33.159
find in the majority of the countries that he was

932
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:36.800
in evidence of it. But I'm going to let him

933
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:41.760
share that with you because he's a world traveler on that.

934
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:46.079
But when he got back, we wanted to spend a

935
01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:51.000
weekend and go up into the West Cascades as just

936
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:53.920
kind of an excursion. I was living down in Roseberg,

937
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:57.600
Oregon at the time, and he's living in band and

938
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.680
we decided to kind of meet, you know, and go

939
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:04.079
over to the ocean and then make our way back. Well,

940
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:07.039
as we were coming up a mountain, just on a

941
01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.640
forest service road is all it was, we found this

942
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:16.199
enormous structure. And you know, when you go up into

943
01:09:16.319 --> 01:09:19.640
that area, you don't find a lot of snow load there.

944
01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:22.359
There isn't a lot of snow down in that area.

945
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:28.399
It's more rain rainforest, so it's not you don't find

946
01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:36.079
as many structures per se, you know, snow load, you know, windfall,

947
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:39.720
that kind of thing as you do over here, Whereas

948
01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:44.119
over there, when you find something, you can pretty much

949
01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:47.359
get out, walk around it and look to see if

950
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:50.960
there's holes in the ground or a stump, or if

951
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.600
it was done by log and equipment, and if it's legit,

952
01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.760
and you know that you've ruled out all those different

953
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:03.039
things from you know, anything from you know, even just

954
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:07.079
a landslide or whatever. But if you're able to rule

955
01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:09.960
out all of those things and you see that it's

956
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:15.199
a big structure, you know that they're in the area. Now.

957
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:18.800
One thing really interesting about that area is that the

958
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:23.800
game trails are so easy to spot and easy to follow,

959
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:30.479
and the footprints that we found were enormous, and we

960
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.960
had probably eight different individuals that we were able to

961
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:38.880
track going up and down this mountain side. Well, we

962
01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:42.159
found this one structure, and we had come up with

963
01:10:42.319 --> 01:10:45.159
a decision that we were going to try something different

964
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.319
with our research. Is that we were going to try

965
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:52.239
and camp at the base of one of the structures. Now,

966
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.279
I don't recommend doing that. That was a huge mistake,

967
01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:00.079
so please, for any of your listeners, do not do that.

968
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:04.680
That's a disrespect. And we didn't realize it. Okay, we

969
01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:09.319
have since learned, but we did decide that we were

970
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.319
going to camp there. Now, it was right off the

971
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:15.840
road and it was just a forest service gravel road.

972
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:18.720
It was right off the road, so the road's up here,

973
01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:23.520
and we hiked down about twenty five yards down to

974
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:28.239
the only flat spot we could find, and we decided

975
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:30.760
to just set up our chairs. We didn't even put

976
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:36.000
up a tent, so we parked our two vehicles face

977
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:39.640
nose to nose. I have my jeep. He has a

978
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:44.039
tahoe where he's got one of those roof top tents,

979
01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:47.960
so he's, yeah, he's set to go at any given time.

980
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:50.720
And I'm set to go because I've got a rubicon

981
01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:52.840
so i can lay my seats down and sleep in

982
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:58.039
the back. And so we hiked down the trail, we

983
01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:00.640
set up our chairs, and we decided that what we

984
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:02.960
were going to do was we were going to invite

985
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:06.840
them to us, instead of going and trying to look

986
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:09.560
for them. We were just going to say Hey, we

987
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.359
invite you to come join us at our camp. And

988
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:17.560
we decided we were just gonna sit there and laugh

989
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:21.159
and joke and talk and just be ourselves and not

990
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:25.239
do anything like make any calls or knocks on trees

991
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.239
or do anything. We were just going to beat two

992
01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:33.000
people hanging out in the woods. And we were sitting

993
01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:37.279
there and right about the time that it got dark

994
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:47.680
off through the trees, we started hearing. Now, for anybody

995
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:49.399
that's been in that kind of the forest, and I

996
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:54.800
know that you have. You've got those huge like you know,

997
01:12:55.079 --> 01:12:58.840
just almost like they almost look like palm fronds. They're

998
01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:04.439
just everywhere, the thick, thick foliage. And it was a

999
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:07.840
somewhat of a dry year last year, so it was

1000
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:11.399
like walking on corn flakes. You can hear, just just

1001
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:18.680
crunching and excuse me. So we're sitting there and I

1002
01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:20.840
told Carlos, I said, did you hear that? Did you

1003
01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:23.079
hear the footsteps? And he goes, yep, I heard it.

1004
01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:26.920
And I said, okay, let's just keep right on talking

1005
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:29.239
and see if they're going to come up to us.

1006
01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:33.720
And we heard and it was by pedal, It absolutely

1007
01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:37.560
by pedal, and it was just coming closer and closer,

1008
01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:43.359
coming at us, coming up towards us through the brush, going.

1009
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:54.199
Sh well, it gets to ride about I would say,

1010
01:13:54.359 --> 01:14:02.039
probably about twenty five thirty yards from us.

1011
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:07.319
And I stood up and I decided that I was

1012
01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:09.640
going to greet them, and we had made We had

1013
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:11.760
also decided that we were going to speak to them

1014
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:14.800
in old languages. We weren't going to talk to them

1015
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:19.199
in English, because English is a new language. We wanted

1016
01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:21.319
to talk to them in old languages and see if

1017
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:25.520
that's something that would resonate with them better. So I told,

1018
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.159
you know, Carlos, I said, Carlos, you talked to them

1019
01:14:28.359 --> 01:14:31.760
in Spanish. I'm going to talk to them in la Quota.

1020
01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.119
And so okay, we made this deal. And as he

1021
01:14:35.239 --> 01:14:40.079
was getting closer, I stood up and I introduced myself

1022
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:46.760
in Lakota and greeted the person in Lakota. And Carlos

1023
01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:51.399
hadn't even gotten he hadn't even gotten the chance to

1024
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:53.039
even state who he was.

1025
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:54.199
And that.

1026
01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:03.520
Stopped, turned and went crash crash, crash, crash crash, and

1027
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:10.239
ran directly at us. And it's dark, I can't see anything.

1028
01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:14.039
It's coming at me, and I'm literally we can feel

1029
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:17.399
the ground shape like an elephant is coming at us.

1030
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:24.239
And I turned Carlos and I went, Carlos, it's time

1031
01:15:24.279 --> 01:15:29.039
for us to go. Carlos goes, yep, and we stood up,

1032
01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:34.000
and I was like, I turned around and I headed

1033
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.640
up the hill and I just said, we're really sorry,

1034
01:15:37.000 --> 01:15:40.119
We're sorry. We should not have been down here. We

1035
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:43.600
were down here too close to your structure. It was disrespectful.

1036
01:15:43.640 --> 01:15:46.199
I am so sorry. We're going to go up on

1037
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:50.279
the road where we belong, where our people go. We're

1038
01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:53.680
going to go back up on the road. And Carlos

1039
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:55.760
is saying, yep, we're sorry, We're going up on the

1040
01:15:55.840 --> 01:16:02.720
road now. We literally, oh, hey, anybody that's ever been

1041
01:16:02.800 --> 01:16:06.920
bleff charged by a bear or or had anything coming

1042
01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:11.520
at you, you know that if you're if you're in

1043
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:15.479
its territory, you need to get out. You need to leave.

1044
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:18.520
You need to get in your car and go away. Okay,

1045
01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:22.720
we didn't. We just went up to the road because

1046
01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:24.960
that's where we told him where we were gonna go,

1047
01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:29.760
and we set our chairs down right between the two vehicles,

1048
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.319
and we literally sat in the dark at the top

1049
01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:36.880
of that trail that we had just come up. Were

1050
01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:43.319
about twenty twenty yard twenty five yards down that being

1051
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:48.239
bluff charged us. So we didn't Yeah, we didn't leave.

1052
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:51.920
We stayed there, but we stayed between the two vehicles

1053
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:54.560
and we sat there and we could hear it paced

1054
01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:58.720
back and forth, but it never came, never came up. Okay,

1055
01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:03.399
So oh, I'm sitting there, Carlos sits in his chair.

1056
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.399
We're talking about it, and everything goes silent down there.

1057
01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:10.840
So we're like, okay, okay, it's fine with us being

1058
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:14.520
up here. We don't have to leave. We're gonna stay here.

1059
01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:18.880
We're still gonna stay the night. But it's okay, it's

1060
01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:22.479
not it's not angry at us for being down by

1061
01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:25.399
the structure. So we're going to stay right here. So

1062
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:29.239
we're talking and then Carlos tells me. He goes, you know,

1063
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.640
I just put something out there in mind speak that

1064
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:38.760
I want to see one of them, and he got

1065
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:45.399
mind speak back and he goes, I just heard if

1066
01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:52.319
you want to see us come back one down, and

1067
01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:58.479
Carlos goes and I told Carlos, so that was a challenge,

1068
01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:02.479
and he goes, he goes, yeah, I said, are you

1069
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:06.760
going to do it? He goes, no, he goes, I'm

1070
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:10.239
not going down there, he goes, but I think I

1071
01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:14.079
am gonna walk down the road in the dark and

1072
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:18.359
see if I can communicate with them up here on

1073
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:21.439
the road. And I said, Okay, you go right on ahead.

1074
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:23.479
I'm going to stay right here. I'm going to let

1075
01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:25.439
you do what you're gonna do. I'm going to stay

1076
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:29.079
right here. And I sat between the two vehicles in

1077
01:18:29.159 --> 01:18:31.520
the dark, and it was pitch dark. I couldn't see

1078
01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:34.920
my hand in front of my face, and I could

1079
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:38.720
hear Carlo's pacing, pacing back and forth, pace pace at

1080
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:43.159
the back of his tahoe. And I'm just thinking to myself, Okay, well,

1081
01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:46.000
maybe he's kind of decided that he doesn't want to

1082
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:48.960
walk all the way down there by himself, and he's

1083
01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:53.159
just staying away from me to see if anything happens.

1084
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:59.239
And I sat there for good probably an hour, and

1085
01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:02.000
and I'm going to up. Hey, he's just right over there.

1086
01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:05.159
He's not coming back. I don't want to talk to

1087
01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:08.000
him because if I do, he's it's going to interrupt

1088
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:11.159
what he's trying to do. I'm just going to go

1089
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:17.039
to bed. So I crawled in my jeep and I

1090
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:19.800
put the seats down and crawled into my sleeping bag

1091
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:22.439
and I was in my in my the back of

1092
01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:26.039
my jeep, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay, well, if

1093
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:29.680
anything happens, he's gonna he'll yell. I'll hear it, you know.

1094
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:36.600
And so I'm in there for a while and probably, oh,

1095
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:39.439
I don't know. A couple hours later, you know, I

1096
01:19:39.479 --> 01:19:41.680
fell asleep. I woke up and I could hear him

1097
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:45.439
and it sounded like he was irritated, like he was

1098
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:50.720
just may you know. And I'm going, oh, oh, you know,

1099
01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:55.039
Carlos is irritated. I don't know what he's irritated at.

1100
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:58.079
You know, the guy's got a temper. So I just

1101
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:01.159
kind of went, well, if he's irrit tated, I'm going

1102
01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:03.760
to leave him to it. I'm not gonna, you know,

1103
01:20:03.960 --> 01:20:06.720
just let him be, you know. And I could hear

1104
01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:11.000
him walking around the backside of my of my jeep

1105
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:14.439
and muling around and clanking the chairs and you know,

1106
01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:17.159
and I'm going, Okay, I don't know what he's upset about,

1107
01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:20.000
but I'll find out in the morning. I'm not going

1108
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:23.800
to get up. So I go back to sleep, and

1109
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:26.159
I wake up in the morning and I'm hearing his

1110
01:20:26.600 --> 01:20:30.279
tent zipper off the top of his his roof tent

1111
01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:33.720
and he's coming down, crawling down the ladder off the

1112
01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:38.760
top of his rig and and and I said, okay, well,

1113
01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:40.960
time to get up. So I crawl out and I said, well,

1114
01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:45.199
how did it go last night? And he goes, he goes,

1115
01:20:45.439 --> 01:20:49.920
what do you mean? How did he go? What a minute? Well,

1116
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:53.479
tell me what happened? You know, did you did you?

1117
01:20:53.479 --> 01:20:56.199
You know? I noticed that you didn't go very far.

1118
01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:58.520
And he's like, what do you mean I didn't go

1119
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.640
very far? And I'm like, well, I noticed that you

1120
01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:05.800
just kind of stayed right there at the end of

1121
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:10.840
your rig. And he goes, no, I would walk down

1122
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:14.800
the road like two miles. He goes, I was gone

1123
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:18.720
for like a couple hours. And I'm like, wait a second.

1124
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:22.199
I said, that wasn't you pacing back and forth at

1125
01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:24.760
the backside of your rig? And he goes, no, that

1126
01:21:24.920 --> 01:21:29.239
was them. And I'm like, oh my goodness. I said, okay,

1127
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:32.399
so what were you angry about? Because I could hear

1128
01:21:32.479 --> 01:21:35.880
you like mumbling and knocking stuff around and he goes,

1129
01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:40.359
it wasn't me, He goes, it was them. He goes,

1130
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:43.079
I went when I got back, I crawled up into

1131
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:49.319
my tent and I was listening to them, like talking

1132
01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:54.920
to each other, and they were they were mumbling around,

1133
01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:59.840
and he goes, I was like, should I go down

1134
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:05.640
there and see if Bange leagues? Okay, he goes. He goes, no,

1135
01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:12.439
he said, if something happens, she'll scream that's wow. And

1136
01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:17.439
so I'm in my rig thinking it's him, and he's

1137
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:23.239
up there listening, knowing that it's them, and I, you know,

1138
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:29.479
completely oblivious. I'm sitting there literally what ten feet maybe

1139
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:34.399
fourteen feet away from them for hours in the pitch dark.

1140
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:38.079
Now we got up the next you know, walked around

1141
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:43.439
that day and found that that trail, that game trail

1142
01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:48.479
that they climbed up and down, literally crossed the road

1143
01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:53.560
right at the backside of his rig and went right

1144
01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:58.159
up the mountain. And we we must accounted probably at

1145
01:22:58.199 --> 01:23:03.920
that site, probably three different individuals. So and they went

1146
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:07.520
to other structures. So we had literally camped on their

1147
01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:14.760
game trail. And they did not like, oh my goodness,

1148
01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:18.640
but they were respectful. They didn't. They could have. They

1149
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:21.760
could have ruined everything, they could have thrown the chairs,

1150
01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:24.920
they could have they could have done so much but

1151
01:23:24.960 --> 01:23:29.880
they were respectful. They just walked around talked about us,

1152
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:35.159
I'm sure, and probably you know, cussed us out, you know,

1153
01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:38.000
for having tried to go down there and stay at

1154
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:41.840
their structure. But you know, that was a huge learning

1155
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:47.960
experience for us, and it was it was something that

1156
01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:53.720
I learned then that those structures are sacred and they're

1157
01:23:53.760 --> 01:23:57.680
not to be They're not to be messed with. Don't

1158
01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.960
don't mess with them. If you see, you can visit it,

1159
01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:06.159
don't touch it, and don't stay there, because I think

1160
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:09.000
they're sacred. They're sacred ground to them. It's like a

1161
01:24:09.640 --> 01:24:12.199
going to a longhouse or a church, you know.

1162
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:18.000
Oh interesting, Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I next time I

1163
01:24:18.039 --> 01:24:21.680
find one, I'm not even going to I know some

1164
01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:24.079
people that would go inside of them. I wouldn't even

1165
01:24:24.159 --> 01:24:24.359
do that.

1166
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:29.359
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, don't go inside. It's okay to

1167
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:34.560
be near them, don't go inside because first of all,

1168
01:24:34.600 --> 01:24:38.359
you don't know what it's used for. You don't know

1169
01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:41.239
what it's used for. There's a lot of missing for

1170
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:45.239
one one, and you don't know if it's well, I mean,

1171
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:47.720
let's get real, if it could be something like a

1172
01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:53.319
you know, a entrance to something else you know, or

1173
01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:57.439
even you know, something like a portal or something. It's

1174
01:24:57.560 --> 01:25:02.119
just it's just it's best stay out of what you

1175
01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:07.600
don't know, visit on the outside, show respect, but don't

1176
01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:11.199
don't go in, and don't try to don't try to

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01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:13.760
interfere with their life. You know.

1178
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:22.079
Oh man, what what an incredible account? Mm hm that

1179
01:25:22.079 --> 01:25:24.079
that's going to stick with me for for a while.

1180
01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:29.159
But Angelie, this has been such a such an interesting conversation.

1181
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:31.800
There's been a lot that I think people can learn

1182
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:35.359
from this. Thank you for coming on and for sharing

1183
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:37.760
what you've experienced over the years and what you've learned.

1184
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:41.479
Thank you, Thank you for having me.

1185
01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:46.640
Absolutely, are there ways that people can keep up to

1186
01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:50.079
date with what you're doing or do you kind of

1187
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:52.760
let people know by when you go on a podcast

1188
01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:53.880
every once in a while.

1189
01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:59.319
Or well, actually you can contact us, and I please

1190
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.840
ask that if you do that, you let me know

1191
01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:06.840
that you saw this podcast, so that I don't think

1192
01:26:06.880 --> 01:26:09.239
you're a hacker or somebody, because I'm not going to

1193
01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:12.680
respond and I'm not going to friend you unless you

1194
01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:17.600
say I saw you on Jeremy's program, you know, Jeremiah's program.

1195
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:21.399
I'm sorry, Yeah, I'll let it slide. No one else

1196
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:24.199
gets to say.

1197
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:27.680
Forget me here, I am talking about respect. I'm sorry,

1198
01:26:28.079 --> 01:26:31.520
but yeah so but no. You can reach us on

1199
01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:35.920
Legacy Discoveries in Search of the Truth. We're on YouTube

1200
01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:40.079
and you can see where my son has been documenting

1201
01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:46.000
day by day by day his interactions and gifting with

1202
01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:50.399
a group of adolescents that have come in and gifted

1203
01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:59.359
him casts and they've gifted him their footprints, their handprints, flowers, trinkets.

1204
01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:02.479
Been going on for over a year, almost two years,

1205
01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:07.319
so you can see that day by day documentation on YouTube.

1206
01:27:07.520 --> 01:27:12.239
We're also on Facebook on two different pages on Facebook

1207
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:17.920
Legacy Discoveries, and then you can reach me Angelie Benham

1208
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:21.000
on Facebook once more. If you do, please tell me

1209
01:27:21.079 --> 01:27:26.319
you saw me on this channel. And as as a note,

1210
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.840
please don't just contact me because you want to start

1211
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:33.439
an argument. If you're you're if you're friending me to

1212
01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:42.760
start an argument. I wish you well in life. But yes,

1213
01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:46.520
I appreciate you so much for having me on here,

1214
01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:52.840
and I really I really like what you've got going

1215
01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:56.159
and the people that you've had on here are just tremendous,

1216
01:27:56.199 --> 01:28:00.760
really really fantastic people. Thank you for having me on.

1217
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:01.840
I'm honored to be here.

1218
01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:07.840
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1219
01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:11.119
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1220
01:28:11.159 --> 01:28:14.920
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1221
01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:17.760
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1222
01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:21.079
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1223
01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:24.079
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

1224
01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:27.399
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

1225
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:31.039
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you

1226
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:34.239
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

1227
01:28:34.279 --> 01:28:37.680
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

1228
01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:41.000
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1229
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:45.359
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1230
01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:48.520
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1231
01:28:48.640 --> 01:28:52.039
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1232
01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:55.920
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1233
01:28:55.960 --> 01:28:59.239
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1234
01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:02.319
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1235
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:05.840
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1236
01:29:06.520 --> 01:29:09.640
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1237
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:13.039
anything with clearance, and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1238
01:29:14.399 --> 01:29:17.880
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1239
01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:23.159
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1240
01:29:23.600 --> 01:29:26.039
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1241
01:29:26.079 --> 01:29:32.000
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1242
01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:36.239
We've got the mic see you in the woods. Thank

1243
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:39.119
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

1244
01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:41.600
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1245
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:44.800
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1246
01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:47.680
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

1247
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:50.479
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01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:09.159
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1254
01:30:09.159 --> 01:30:11.560
if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting,

1255
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:14.560
please I'd love to hear from you, So email me

1256
01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:18.000
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start

1257
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.840
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1258
01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:24.640
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1259
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1262
01:30:35.479 --> 01:30:37.920
people that are into the Bigfoot subject as much as

1263
01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.720
you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot

1264
01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:44.199
Society until next time. Keep your eyes open, trust your gut,

1265
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.520
and never stop asking what else might be out there?

1266
01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:47.640
And see you in the woods.