Woman Encounters Sasquatch at Sullivan Lake — Then the Government Calls Her

0:00 You're listening to Big the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Angelique Benham today. Angelique is with the group Legacy Discoveries in search of the truth.

0:42 She's got many, many years of really researching into the forest people. Correct, correct, Yeah, that's awesome. That is so cool, Angelique. You know, when I have the privilege of having a research around the show, I always like to know how they got their start, Much like you had just asked me before we started rolling, what was it that first got you interested into doing this twenty plus years of research? Well, my very first encounter is what got me interested in it. I actually come from a background of a family that didn't believe in Sasquatch. We were extremely skeptical.

1:29 I grew up on the reservation in the Callville Reservation in northeastern Washington. But I had grown up kind of believing that it was mostly a legend or something that happened many, many years ago, but wasn't really anything that was in my wheelhouse, anything I expected to ever have happened to me. More or less, I believed that it might have been something that they did to kind of keep the kids from wandering too far from camp, you know. So I have to admit that, in my naivete and in my youthful arrogance, I didn't really believe in sasquatch.

2:17 So it completely changed my life. One day when I took my three sons and my sister in law and my three nephews and we decided to go up to Sullivan Lake in the northeastern corner of Washington State, And when we were kayaking, I ended up having a extremely close encounter with a large male Sasquatch who was sitting on the bank of Sullivan Lake. While I was kayaking very slowly past him. He looked so human that I didn't know I was looking at a sasquatch. My entire frame of reference was always the Patterson Gimlin film from the nineteen sixties, and so I thought that if Bigfoot did exist, they all looked like Patty. I didn't know that not only do they exist, but they vary, just like we do, in their appearances, from what could look like the Patterson Gimlin film all the way to what I saw, which was a hairy man that was just

3:50 a man with a lot of hair. I really didn't know that he was a sasquatch. What caught my attention was that he was absolutely enormous, just a tank of a man, and very very tall, and he was very good looking. He didn't he wasn't scary in any way, shape or form. He was very attractive. But when I was kayaking past him, I had left my vest, my life fest with one of my kids, and so I didn't have a life fest, and so I was staying right up against the shore while I was kayaking, so that if I rolled my boat, I could be right there offshore and I wouldn't have to worry about anything being caught too far out, you know, without a life fest.

4:55 So I was very close to him. I was probably only about eight feet away, and I have since gone back to that area and gone to where that stump was, and eight feet might even be counting it a little bit far. So I was very close to him. He was sitting on a log, and as I was passing him, I looked over at him and waved, and I thought that he was a man when he stood up, though, I did get a good look at him at one point where I realized that this man whom I first thought was an elder man wearing turtleneck and long sleeves and ninety degree weather, and thinking, well, that's a little odd, but you know some people do that. When I passed in front of him, I was able to realize that he was actually covered in hair and he was naked, And then I was embarrassed. I didn't want to look at him because I was embarrassed because I realized then that he was nude. And I also didn't want to offend him because his face was so intelligent human and

6:27 he had a very proud kind of almost I want to say, regal look about him. He had very excellent, excellent posture. He actually had one foot one leg crossed over the other was holding on to his knee, so very very good posture, and just held his chin up really high and proud, and he had just these beautiful eyes that were just stunning. I mean, I've never seen I've never seen a set of contacts. I've never seen anything that even resembled the eye colored that he had.

7:13 So I was caught off guard by the way that this man looked. And then when I realized as I was passing him that it was hair and not clothes, then I was almost ashamed of myself because I was gawing at him, and I didn't want him to feel embarrassed, you know, that I was staring at him, so I looked away, but I looked over my shoulder, and when I looked over my shoulder, he had stood up and he had reached up with his arm and it pulled a branch out of his face. And this man was absolutely enormous. He wasn't just tall, he was he was probably four fe across the shoulder, and his biceps were just enormous, and I could literally see his muscles ripple when he moved his arm. And then he lifted his foot up and I could see the muscles on his thigh just ripple, and I remember thinking, judging from the looks of him, that he was probably two feet taller than my dad, and my dad was six foot six, so he was a very, very, very big man. And I was more wondering about this man with all this

8:45 body hair, and I felt really embarrassed because I didn't want him to be feel like I was judging him for his hair, the body hair. So I looked away, and when I looked back the last time, he was gone. Now, Sylvan Lake is an enormous lake, and so when I got about halfway across or halfway down the lake, I met up with my family because they were all ahead of me. When I met up with them, my sister in law went, oh, look, there's a hunter up there.

9:27 And I looked up on the top of the mountain, and for those of you that want to google it, it was it's called Hall Mountain, and Hall Mountain has a bald spot across it's a meadow that faces the lake. And when I looked up there to the top of Hall Mountain, there was that man and he was walking parallel with me. And as I was clear down on the lake and he was up there. We could stills see him, and he was staying with me. And he did that all the way until we got to the other side of the mountain and to the far side of the lake, and he disappeared into the trees. But he followed me that whole day, and I still I didn't.

10:25 It didn't sit well with me that this man was so big and so hairy, but I didn't think of him as a Sasquatch. I thought of him as this big, hairy neudiced who for some reason was walking and not concerned about the terrain because Hall Mountain is really steep and rocky, and was just following. It was one of those things that it was like it didn't sit well with me, but I didn't. I still didn't want to think sasquatch because it just wasn't. He didn't look like Patterson the Patterson Gimlin film. He looked like a man.

11:19 He looked like a tall man. So after I saw him, it started bugging me and I ended up getting on a website. Now this is back in the year two thousand. I got on a website and I was looking for anybody that could give me answers to what I was trying to find out about this disease because I thought he must have a genetic disorder with the hair, you know, and I wanted to learn about that. And I was in college and I had just gotten my first computer, and we were I was trying to do some research. But you really couldn't find much in the year two thousand.

12:02 It really wasn't It really wasn't a really really good research back then. But I did find a chat room that had a forum where you could fill out any kind of an anomaly. It could been little people, could have been ghosts, could have been you know, aliens. You posted it in this chat room full of your peers and then they would kind of give you their best answers. And I did that, but people were given me answers that I wasn't looking for. They were saying, well, you may you probably saw a sasquatch or a bigfoot, and I'm going no, I just saw a big airy man.

12:51 What's this disease? What's this disorder? You know? And they weren't giving me answer that I wanted, So I kind of gave up and I showd the computer down. Now, back then, I probably I didn't worry too much about hackers. It was still kind of becoming a new thing twenty five years ago. So if they asked me for my phone number, I probably gave it. I probably gave out a bunch of information to get on this website. And it wasn't long after that I got a phone call from a gentleman who excuse me, it came up on a caller ID box. I had a caller ID box attached to my landline and it said US Government on it. Well, I have a brother. Yeah, I have a brother who works in the US government, and he retired from the US government. And so when I saw US Government, I thought something bad had happened to my brother. So I picked up and I'm waiting to hear something horrible, you know, that my brother had passed away or something bad, you know.

14:07 And this gentleman you know, asked me, is this Angelique? And yes, this is me, And then he introduced himself to me and said he worked for some department. He gave me his name, told me that the department. But I wasn't paying attention because I was expecting the worst of the worst. But he said, I want to talk to you about the sasquatch you saw at Sullivan Lake, and I went, no, what, I didn't see it sasquatch. I just saw a big hairy man. And it still wasn't connecting because I was still waiting for him. You know, why would the US government be calling me and I was still waiting for him to tell me something about my brother. Well, when I said that, then, I don't know if I irritated him or I don't know if he was I don't know if he was laughing, but I could hear him on the other and just kind of go, I want to talk to you about the sassage that you saw Lake. Well, to be honest with you, at the moment, it instantly completely freaked me out. I didn't have it caught me off guard. Wasn't expected that, and I don't know why, but my gut just hang up.

15:41 Talk to this guy, don't give him information, do not talk and all to him. As I said, I didn't see his ass All I saw was a big hairy man and I hung up. Now, twenty five years later, I wish I heard what he had to say. I really wish I had to found out what this guy wanted to talk to me about, because it probably would have been really interesting. I don't know if he was caught. He sounded like he was being official. Whether or not that was just his persona, and he just happened to be calling me on his lunch break. I don't know, but now I would like to know what it was he wanted to talk to me about. But I didn't and I hung up, and he did try calling me back, and I saw us government and I didn't pick up.

16:41 So that to me was like, okay, what the heck did I did? I, you know, And so I talked to my kids about it, because they were from you know, freshman in high school on down to you know, middle school, and I had asked him. Ask my kids, I said, did you see the guy? And they said, yeah, we saw a hunter walking up on the hill. And I'm like, okay, well, and then I told them about the phone call and stuff. Well, my oldest son told me and he goes, you know, mom, he said, there's this new website that the guys at school are talking about. You might want to tell your story on it and see if they can help you.

17:32 And of course that was the BFRO and I went ahead and I said, okay, and I found it and I filled out the little template. And for those of you that go back and watch it and look at it, that the date on it was actually wrong. It's I think it's in the website it's two thousand and two, but it really happened to me to the year two thousand because it happened right after my brother died. My brother died May two thousand, So there's just that glitch. But anyway, whenever you fill out something, especially a Class A siding, the BFRO will send somebody to talk to you and interview you. Well, I got interviewed by a man and we ended up talking for like I'm not kidding, we had to have talked at least two to three hours, if not more, and we ended up turning out to be really good friends. And that man is Mel Skahan and mel' skahnd Yeah, so for those who know who Mel is. Mel was featured on Flash of Beauty and I think several documentaries and stuff. Fantastic individual. Him and his wife Christine are really good friends of mine. But Mel ended up being kind of my mentor for a long time. And when when he talked to me and

19:07 we really discussed everything that I saw. Then he basically solidified it for me and said, okay, yeah, you did see one of the forest people. They don't all look like the Patterson Gimlin film. So you know, for those who say, well, they only have long arms or they only have no neck and stuff, well, they vary just like we do in color and size and eye color, in you know, everything, and so just like we do. And that was my very very very first encounter that I know of. I do believe now from all the research that we've done and for the many encounters that we have had, I believe there may have been more that I just was unaware of. But that was the first one that I visually came in very close contact with and could describe exactly what he looked like. And yeah, so that was my very first one. That's what started it for me.

20:21 That's absolutely incredible encounter. I know that you also have been interviewed by Sybylla Irwin. Correct, yes, and she has a really cool artists rendering of what she drew what you described, and it is just very cool. I'm going to probably put that in the description of this episode so people can check that out as well. But a question I had about what you saw that day, because you mentioned that the eyes were very you know, they really drew you in. Were they eyes where you could see whites around the pupils or where they all went color?

21:01 Yeah, No, they were just like our eyes. You could see, you could see the whites. You could see Actually, I was close enough to him that I could literally see his eye color and I could see his eyelashes around his eyes. He had really just and I can't like just pick out a color and go they were brown or they were orange. They were just an absolutely beautiful golden brown that was really light, a light colored golden brown that was somewhat hazel almost but more on a yellow brown. Look beautiful. I mean absolutely the most beautiful color I had ever seen. And I've, trust me, twenty five years. I've looked and I've looked for any kind of you know, any kind of like maybe the oh gosh, why am I drawing a blank right now? Contacts or anything to put in your eye to come up with that color. I've never seen anything even close. Sibylla did a fantastic job of being able to get as close as anybody's been able to now even even the photo as much as she did, it's still it still isn't the real thing. But I've even had people try to

22:35 use AI to try to try to get close to what he looked like, and not even similar Sabylla did a fantastic job. Not only that, but she was able to bring in the map and show the mountain and the diagrams to show where we were at, photos of the beach and stuff. She did a fantastic job. So and she's not just that, but she's just a wonderful person. She's just a good person too, and I really like her. She really seems like. That. She definitely is, you know. I also enjoy watching her interviews and hopefully someday I'll be able to talk to her. We'll see. But the hair that you saw as well on it, did you notice that it was a certain color or was there a certain length to it?

23:27 Well? What it was? From a distance, it looked like he had silver gray hair from a distance, and it was short, kind of trim, and from a distance, I thought he was a grandpa. I thought he was an elder because he had I had seen him from probably one hundred yards away when I first saw him, and he was walking down down the embankment following two little boys. And the little boys were like our little boys. They were wearing little shorts and stuff. So I don't know to this day if those little boys had actually seen him, or whether or not he was, you know, maybe behind them.

24:20 They weren't paying attention. But he looked like an elder that had silver hair and was watching and protecting these little boys while they were playing at the water's edge. Now, when I got up close, the two little boys took off up the hill, and he stayed there by the bank and let me go right past him. When I got up close to him. That was one of the things that kind of caught me off guard, was that he wasn't as old as I thought he was. I was expecting an old man, and he wasn't. Maybe in his early forties. He had Sultan pepper hair, and the dark part of his hair was maybe a little bit reddsh a little bit of well, if you know, a horse is kind of a sorrow color, but mostly salt and pepper. So but when I got up close to him, it was almost like it was more of a reflection of the sun. Was the silver color. When I got up close to him, it didn't look as dark as it did from it. It didn't look as as white as it did from a distance. It looked darker. Does that make.

25:39 Sense, Yeah, it absolutely does. Okay, you had seen the individual also walk you mentioned, and did it have a particular gait to the way it walked or anything out of the ordinary. No. No, he is smooth, just smooth and graceful. And when he walked down the hill towards the water with the little boys in front of him, he just watched the little boys and then sat down. When he was up on the hill, what I noticed was that he was well. He was walking what looked like a casual pace, very casual, very just just a normal I'm out for a walk, but was keeping up with me. And he was clear up on the mountain and I was clear down here, so he had to have been really covering a lot of ground quickly, But he didn't look like he was doing much more than just out for a Sunday stroll. I did notice that he would look down at his feet, and then he would look over at me, and then he would look down at his feet and then he would look over So it was like he was watching where he was walking, and then he would look down to where I was down at the water,

27:11 and he just it would be like what anybody else would do. There really was nothing about it that looked supernatural, other than I know that he had to have really been covering a lot of ground, but doing it in what looked like just a casual, normal gait. Gotcha. Has anyone else reported seeing any any other individual that looks like the one that you saw in the same area. I don't think so, not to my knowledge. I do know that Sullivan Lake has had more reports of things like tree knocks and whoops and sounds and stuff up in that area, but I don't know if anybody's actually seen him. I do know that I've recently gone back.

28:09 I went with one of my teammates, Tanya, and her and I went back this summer and we walked out to where it all happened, and we'd found some structures and some things like that that we were able to kind of go, Okay, they're still here. They are absolutely still there. And I have met a couple of my friends that have said that they've had a couple footfalls in the dark around their tent and stuff. So there's a few there's still some activity going on over there, but I don't know if it's him. It could be any of the Klan, could.

28:50 Be any absolutely, absolutely, just curious. This area of Washington has come up a few times in the last month than Actually I just did an interview very recently with two gentlemen. Are you familiar with the area called Gypsy Meadows? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, yep. Is that any place that you have had interactions or things occur in. I haven't because I moved out of the Carville National Forest not too long after this incident had happened, and I moved over to North Idaho. I didn't have any like I said earlier, that I know of, I could have had encounters and just didn't know it because they're pretty They're pretty good at coming up real close to you without you realizing that they're there. I do know that Gypsy Meadows has a lot of We've had a lot of reports that came out of Gypsy Meadows, but most that's I think Will Almer has more of that area.

30:04 He's a researcherund the Stevens County, that whole Carville National Forest area, So that's kind of his territory. We work more over in North Idaho. Now, okay, gotcha. Yeah, I've actually was just reaching out to Will earlier today to see if we could have a conversation about that area. So that's pretty cool that you have that connections as well. So after you had this experience, how did it affect you in the days after? Sometimes or for example, sometimes people will have strange things happen, or they'll get really into the subject, or sometimes it'll just lay dormant for a few years and then they'll get into it longer, or they'll get into it later in life.

30:58 It didn't I thought that that was an only encounter forever ever happened, and so I was just really cool the experience. But it happened again. I just kind of went that was cool. I kind of moved on with my life. It wasn't very long until after I would say probably about two years after that. Then my kids and I started having more We started having more encounters where I had one of them come up in the yard one time when my kids were there, they were older teenagers at that time, had a pizza party and we lived out in the Carville National Forest and my middle son opened up the door to let my dog out, and there was one standing right off the porch, and he pulled the dog back in shut the door because he was kind of going, what did I just see?

32:06 Open the door again and it was still standing there, and then he said it tried to shoot at him, like get away, get away, and he said it was he enormous. This is a deck, so it was up high on the deck and it was eye level to him. And at that time he was probably five foot eight, five foot nine at the time. And then he called my oldest son, who was at that time, you know, in high school, to come look. And then he opened the door and he said all he saw was it turned and looked at him and then turned around and he said, Mom, it was this enormous, big, hairy dude and he was just running up the road and disappeared in the trees over there. So the next day, of course, that was at night, you know. The next day, we went out and we found the tracks. They weren't they weren't castable tracks, but they were impressions in the bank where it had where it had jumped up the bank, and we saw that it was headed up the Mountain.

33:13 So and we lived out you know, on by Forest Service land, so we didn't have neighbors. It was right off the yard, went straight up into the Selkirks. So he just ran right out of the yard and went right up the hill and they saw that one. I didn't see him, They saw that one. Okay, gotcha. And that was in the Colville Reservation, the. Carville National Forest. Yeah, so it was outside outside of Calville. Yeah, kind of in will Will's territory exactly. Yes, absolutely. So was that a thing where when you were in that area you were experiencing just that one interaction or did stuff happen off and on for multiple years when you were in that worstereia, Well, that was.

34:12 When things started to happen where it was we you know, it would be when you would least expect it, just like driving down the road or something out you know, out in the woods, and then you would just catch a glimpse of you know, somebody walking that you'd take a double take and it would be like, okay, that's not natural, that that's not natural, and then it would just be gone. And it would always be when you least expected it, Like and usually when I had somebody with me who also witnessed it, So it wasn't like at that point in time I was trying to be very very very still skeptical and say, okay, is this my imagination or did you know? Am I just you know what caused that? And then it would be the same the other person with me who would also be going, yeah, I saw that. I saw it too. I was with this lady by the name Madonna who was with the BFROO, and her and I started researching together, and it was more just for fun. I never expected to find anything.

35:26 But on our very first outing, we went up to Little Twin Lakes, which is a part of where Will does a lot of his investigation, and we found in January in a big snowy the snowy ground. No, please excuse me, it wasn't January. It was there was still snow on the ground, but it wasn't was starting to melt. There was mud, so it would have been seeing Carbo area probably in February, probably the middle part of be Worry. We found a mud bog and coming out of just these bushes that were so thick and so thorny, nobody in their right mind would ever want to ever crawl in there. Coming out of those bushes were perfect sets of human looking bare feet going right into the water, and so you know it was her and I both tried to cast that, but it was the very first cast I had ever done. We picked up every stick and every pebble, and I mean, we didn't know how to cast it correctly, and it was just a big glob is all it was. But I think Donnas still has that that casting, but I'm not sure. So, you know, little things were happening in the Cavell area. But it was after we moved to North Idaho that I had

36:56 some property out by river and it was I had seventy seven acres and it was lake front property, but it was a private lake where it was literally just my place, so nobody else lived on that lake. I had three sides of that lake was for or three sides that the property was for service. So I had no close neighbors. And it was wilderness, I mean, and in North Idaho you have grizzlies, you have moose, you have elk, you have everything. And it was on that property that we started going, wait a second, you know, we're hearing noises in the middle of the night that we can't explain. We've all lived in the forest our whole lives. We know what we know what elks sound like, we know what you know everything. If you lived in the Inland Northwest, you know what these animals sound like.

37:58 And we couldn't get we couldn't figure out what it was. And I ended up having asking Mel, and Mel came up to visit and brought a recorder and was able to go out on my property about three o'clock in the morning. He came out and did a bunch of calls and was able to get responses and recorded I that was just it was. So from that point of time it just escalated. I started meeting people who had encounters. Those people started putting me in contact with other people who had encounters, and it started turning into that this collection of people just would they would see me and go, hey, I heard you had some going on. You know, well this happened to me in that same area, you know, And this happened, and this happened, and this happened, and all these people and it just escalated to the point that we kind of went, my goodness, you know, there's this is a hot spot this is a huge hot spot.

39:11 So I did a little bit of research and the area that that was was the Hoodoo Valley. So the Hoodoo Valley. Yeah, the Hoodoo Valley in North Idaho has been known for many, many, many generations for their being just things happening that are supernatural, paranormal all over, not just Bigfoot. There's also people that have had encounters with dogmen. There's been uh uh, these white things we don't even I don't even know what they are, but they're tall and bald, and they kind of look almost like a sasquatch, but they're hairless and they look really really scary. There's been encounters with people saying that there's aliens, all kinds of stuff in Hohodo Valley, Hoo Doo Valley connected to who do mountain? Who do? Uh yeah, who do mountain? And so this whole area is all connected to the Selkirks.

40:21 So the Selkirks start out at the base of the Spokane Valley right at the edge of the Polue and they go all the way up where they meet into Canada. And then you can either go east and go right into the Cabinet Mountain range and go right into Montana, or you go west and end up over in the you know, up over the Cascades and then up over into Canada. So I mean basically, once you hit this area, you go all the way up into Canada and it just doesn't stop. And there's places that you can get from Spokane Valley up into Canada and never cross a road.

41:05 I mean it it's wilderness, so you know, all anything could be up in here, but it's not. It's not just you know that we've experienced this stuff coming at us and hearing things and talking to people. It's that after a while, it got to the point where we started having interactions with them. I was going to ask you next, when did that start, because yeah, I can absolutely tell that it. It did happen at one point. Yeah, oh absolutely. So yeah. So what started for me was about four years ago. I was just freshly divorced and about a brand new Jeep and I was out prison the back logging roads just playing around and this tree I've come around, this really really narrow dirt road was literally just idling because it was it was just a dart road and there was a fresh fallen pine tree that was the road was getting ready to go right around this pine tree. And as I was coming around the corner, I saw a flash of black at the end of the pine tree and I knew it

42:35 was It was like the biggest bear I had ever seen. And I mean, I've been up in the woods so much, and I've camped and worked in logging and reinforestation and stuff, so bears or that's a part of life. It's just a part of life. But this was like the biggest bear I have ever seen in my life. And when I stepped on the brakes, I was sitting there idling, and this bear didn't leave, and I thought, well, that's kind of weird, because usually the sound of a vehicle that bears are out of there. They just they're gone if they hear a vehicle. And I'm sitting there and I'm about I don't know, maybe I would say, probably forty feet from it, and it started rocking back and forth like this, and I went, okay, wait a second, that's not what Bears don't rock back and forth like that.

43:37 And so I sat and really looked at what I was looking at, and then I realized what I was seeing was I was seeing a woman, a hairy woman squatted down like on her haunches, whether her feet tucked up underneath her. She had hands on both sides of her eyes like this, and I could see her down her shoulder, I could see the side of her breast, I could see all her hip down her legs and her feet, and she was sitting and rocking back and forth.

44:20 And I went, Okay, I know what I'm looking at. I know what I'm looking at now. And by then I had had enough encounters, you know, spotty encounters that I had talked to mel. I had been working with a mentor from the Lakota tribe who had been helping me, telling me what to do, you know, and so I knew at that point in time that I needed to talk to her. So I rolled down my window and I stuck my head out and I said, I see you. I'm not here to hert too. I'm not here to cause you any problems. I'm not going to take your picture, but I have to go that way with my vehicle, so I'm going to come on ahead of you, and I just want you to know I'm not here to hurt you. And it was like after I said that, because at first, you know, I've got my hand on the gear shift. I'm like, do I pop it in reverse?

45:30 I mean, I don't know if I if I need to get out of here, I gotta be ready. But it was like I kind of got this feeling like it's okay, go ahead. So I'm okay, and I just popped it in first, and I just let myself just slowly kind of idle forward. And as I got towards her, I started noticing that at her feet, that black, that black color that she was started almost like a vibration. It was like it no, it wasn't. Almost it was vibrating like a shimmery kind of thing, almost like oh goodness, like when you see a heat wave come across the highway.

46:21 It vibrating and vibrating. That black started when visible turned light turned into like it looked like a bush, like a quaky act that romory green leaves you see in Alaska quake eas It's a leaf that kind of moves a lot, and it flips from like lighter colored green to a darker grain shine. And I watched her just kind of I guess chameleon into like this green quaky bush, and I went, wow, Okay, So I just saw her go into something I'd never even thought of before, and went, Okay, that's that's weird, but I'm gonna just keep on forward.

47:29 And as I was passing the tree, I was looking over and I still couldn't see her. I could see the pine boughs and the needles and stuff off the pine tree and what looked like the quaky bush at the far end. But halfway down the tree, this little head popped up and I was eye level with a little gray, kind of gray skinned, ash skinned little boy. And I was literally looking into this face of a child that looked like he was maybe two years old too, like a toddler. He had a little bit of hair, but not a lot. He wasn't like covered in hair.

48:28 He had like I guess pork chops is what you'd call it, kind of the whiskers down here, but the rest of his face didn't have any hair. And he was actually kind of a cute little little guy. But he looked over at her at the end of the tree, and he looks at me, and he kind of got a look on his face like oh, and he ducked back down behind the tree again and vanished behind the tree. And here I am just coasting by going Did I just see that? And I looked over and that was when I saw another another one standing up against the back her She was standing underneath a tree, had her back against a tree. And it was a young woman who looked like, uh, maybe fifteen sixteen years old. But she was very pretty. She had she looked very like an Australian Aborigine. She had very dark skin, very like full lips. She just she actually was very pretty and just built like Olympic runner. Like you could see her six pack, and you could tell that she was nude,

50:01 but it was like you couldn't really see anything. It was all kind of covered in dark hair, but you could still see the muscle structure on her. She was ripped. She was ripped, but she was proportionately ripped like athletic athletic jar I mean, Olympic athlete, is what she looked like. When I went past, I looked back and I couldn't see either any of them again. But I hopped down the road a little ways and I reached a dead end. I had to turn around and come back. And when I had to turn around and come back, I couldn't see any of them again. Now I went and I took one of my teammates at the time. I was in Sasquatch Sisters Northwest and I was with Cindy Goodbreak, and I took her with me, and because she wanted to see she wanted to see that. So I went back the next day and I took Cindy with me, And when we got there, that quaky bush there was no quaky bush. It was just the pine tree. There was no bushes around it. It was just a pine tree.

51:18 So that was something that literally happened from the woman we got out. We found all around it was bald spots on the ground behind the tree where they had been sitting and had worn the grass completely bare. And there were bones all over, stacks of little piles of bones of different various bones, like you'd find a hit bone with a vertebrae and maybe a femur or something, but you wouldn't find the whole carcass. You would just find pieces. So it was almost like they gathered there to have dinner, you know, right, And we that was just the beginning of when we started realizing that that's what they do. So I started doing my own kind of research when it came to going and looking for fallen trees and stuff, and we found I can't tell you how many trees that had bones and bear spots behind it where they use it like a blind. They sit behind it and they watch human activity. So, you know, I always encourage people that if you're in an area where there's forest and there's you know, say homes or you know some popular populated area, look for that one

52:49 fallen tree, look for that one tree that parallels, and then go behind it and you'll find the bear spots where they sit there and they watch. Because it's a perfect blind, you don't see him. They can see out, but you don't see them. That is such a cool experience. It's actually something I was gonna I was going to ask you because and I'll just tell the story really quick. I had a very I had a kind of similar experience like that out in Oak Ridge in twenty twenty four, down by the reservoir. And I remember I was driving. Okay, so there's this guy I know, his name is Bill from out in Oregon, and he's like, he's like, when you're ready to see one, all you have to do is just say in your mind, I'm ready to see one, and I was. It was the last day before I left to go back to Iowa. I was driving down this road by the reservoir and I was like, you know what, But in my mind, I was like, you know what, I'm ready to see one. Literally, I drive by this pine tree that's covered with ivy and I see the silhouette of what looks like a seven foot sasquatch, and then a half a second later it disappears into the ivy and I was like, I don't know what just happened. And the crazy thing is is that this

54:23 last year, or July of twenty twenty five, I go back to the same area. I can't find the pine tree. Really I find it. Yeah, the whole pine tree. I can't find it. And I'm like, so, I don't know what happened that day, but well I heard your account just then. I was like, man, what a cool thing. Sounds a little bit familiar, So yeah, yeah, cool stuff. Well I did. I got a hold of mouse Gayhan again and I told him what happened, and all he did was he just goes, congratulations, you saw one cloak finally, and I was like, that's bloging and that because he was like he was almost applauding me, so he was like, congratulations. Yeah, So that was that was the beginning of me meeting her and her kids. Okay, Now where that took place, it was literally, as the crow flies, right about half a mile from where I used to live on the ranch. Now, I had to leave that ranch when I married my ex husband, and I lost it all, of course, because I left it all to be with him, and now I'm divorced, so I've lost my property. But I still go back there all the time because there's a forest service,

55:54 you know, around that whole area. So I go up to the forest service and I spend time up in there being with her. Now, this was the very beginning of when I met doctor igor Bertsev from Russia. Oh sure and yeah, and he started working with me on learning how to do mind speak. Then I had Tanya Braddek who is part of our team, and she has Existential Impath podcast, and so she teaches how to mind speak and how to be empathic and intuitive to your surroundings to know when something's going on. So Tanya and I have literally been partners in going out and researching since then. So it's been about four years of almost every single weekend, sometimes a couple times a week, going out into the woods and tracking, finding structures, and then going into these areas and asking to communicate and what you said about what he told you about asking to see one. That's a huge thing because what we found to be extremely successful is that you have to think

57:25 of these people as basically they are a uncivilized they're more civilized than what you realize, though uncivilized tribe that you would meet in say the rainforest of Brazil. Okay, you come across this tribe, you have to think of it interculturally. What's the first thing that you do? You show respect? You do not. You do not assume that because they're human shape and look like you, that they're going to just automatically think and have the same morals, the same you know, more's the same rules that we do.

58:15 They're not. You have to go into it, put your ego aside, and go into it with a humble attitude to learn from them and be kind when you do it and respectful. What we do is we enter in when we see a structure, which is it's so simple. You don't have to go out in the middle of the night. You don't have to go up in the middle of nowhere and hike in twenty miles. You don't have to do that. You literally go where you find evidence, and you just go back to that area. And then you state your intention. Introduce yourself, because if you're meeting somebody for the first time, what's the first thing you do.

59:04 You introduce yourself. Introduce the people that are around you. You ask to have a friendly encounter with them. State your intention. Your intention is that you want to learn from them, and you would like to be able to take the information that they're going to give you back to our people and teach our people. Then you show respect by you show respect by being one hundred percent honest. You tell them, I'm only here for the day. If you're here for the day, I might be back, but I might not. You tell them when you're leaving, and if you're going to come back, be sure to tell them that you're going to come back. Do not, ever, ever, ever tell them that you're not going to come back and then change your mind later and come back, because to them, that's a lie. You just gave them, a falsehood.

1:00:08 You told me, you weren't coming back, but you're here now. Now we can't trust you. Trust is one hundred percent with them, and truth is one hundred percent. And when I go out in the woods, I was even I was even taught do not go out in the woods and wear makeup. If you're a woman, don't go out wearing makeup. This is fake. If you're wearing makeup, that's not you. And they don't like that. They want truth. They want you to tell them what you're there for. Who are you, and you know, basically state why you're here. And then if they so choose to communicate with you, make sure you give an offering. But don't do candy.

1:00:58 Don't do things process foods. They make us sick. They make them sick. Don't give them candy. Don't introduce tooth decay. Okay, if you've got apples, you can bring them something natural like apples. You can give them nuts. They love nuts. Don't do peanut butter, though they love peanut butter. Don't get me wrong, but peanut butter isn't good for them anymore. And there's a lot of additives and stuff. So what we do is we gift tobacco and we use natural tobacco. We get American spirit because it's loose and it's natural, and then we bring it out to them because for generations, tobacco has always been utilized by the native tribes as an offering of friendship and honor. Even today, when you're out of pow Wow, when you're meeting elders, you always bring tobacco. So it's a high honor to bring tobacco.

1:02:05 So we give them tobacco and we state this is an offering for you in token of our friendship. After you've introduced yourself, then you let them know that this tobacco is for them. And you don't put it on the ground. They're not dogs, they're not animals. They're not going to lap it up off the ground. You put it on a stump, or you put it on a rock, but you don't put it directly on the ground. That's disrespectful. So everything that you do you do with respect. And then on your way out, you thank them for the time that they allowed you to be there. You thanked them.

1:02:48 If they gave you noises, hoots, hollers, whatever, you thank them for that. Tell them that it made you happy and that you want to come back again and be with them again. And each time you go back it gets better and better. And I will tell you that some of the most beautiful experiences I have ever experienced in my life have been with the forest people who have allowed me to come in and see their children, be with them, listen to them laugh and giggle and play practical jokes. We've had just some funny things. They have a great sense of humor. We've had some funny things happen where they've liked to sneak up on us and then bark really loud to make you jump and squeal, and then they laugh. And so I mean, it's just like being around the children. The children are the ones.

1:03:54 It's just like being around your own kids. It's exactly the same way the parents. The parents are more stoic. They're very protective of their children, and if they feel that you're endangering one of them, they will scare you away. So these you know where people are thinking that they're coming in contact with a demon, well they can be pretty scary, yeah, but they're not demons. They're just getting you away from their baby, you know, and anything any parent would do. So they're just it's there. It's miraculous to watch and see and witness and have other people with me while this happens and witness it and see it and go, oh my goodness. And yet people are still people still will go, you're crazy, You're insane. It's all a hoax, you know. And I think anybody that has experienced it is going to say the same thing that most of this you can't talk about. I have family members I can't talk about. I can't talk to this about. I have friends I can't talk to this about.

1:05:23 I've lost friends, family members, lost a job because wow, really, you know, people just go, you're a quack, and and it's not it. We've had so many people who were witnesses to it all and we've all experienced it, just going oh my goodness, and yet none of us can talk outside of this community. And it's really frustrating. So when you are are doing that where you're you know, stating your intention and asking different things, are you doing that verbally then or is it in your mind? Because I've heard both.

1:06:06 Well, actually we do both. We did learn, we did learn how to do mind speak. Tanya is actually just absolutely adept at it. She's amazing at it. But what I do is usually out loud speak out loud. Tanya can do it all through mind speak I do. I have learned how to do mind speak and have had some pretty amazing things that have happened through it that have been validated by other people. So it is. It is a legitimate thing, and it is a legitimate science that like even doctor BURTSAIV had told us that they've been doing this for many many years in the US government experimenting with my speak or telepathy. So it is something that's legitimate. But not all people have the ability, and like myself, I have it only when I least expect it, so it'll happen, and then I can try and try and try in nothing for months, and then all of a sudden, I'll just be walking in the forest and boom, I'll get something like who are you and what are you here for? Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to introduce myself, you know, so something like that.

1:07:34 But you know, there was that I wanted to share with you something that happened over in Oregon. You said that you were over in the well am It National Forest. Ye, over in the Cascade region. Yep, Yeah, So I was up in the West Cascades with a friend of mine and I have to tell you this, do we have enough time for Genia? Okay? So I had to take my friend and I my friend Carlos, So Carlos, I can't pronounce his last name of Abascal a abuscle. Yeah. Okay. So Carlos traveled the world recently looking for sasquatch and when he got back, and actually he found some amazing things and he did find in the majority of the countries that he was in evidence of it. But I'm going to let him share that with you because he's a world traveler on that.

1:08:42 But when he got back, we wanted to spend a weekend and go up into the West Cascades as just kind of an excursion. I was living down in Roseberg, Oregon at the time, and he's living in band and we decided to kind of meet, you know, and go over to the ocean and then make our way back. Well, as we were coming up a mountain, just on a forest service road is all it was, we found this enormous structure. And you know, when you go up into that area, you don't find a lot of snow load there. There isn't a lot of snow down in that area.

1:09:22 It's more rain rainforest, so it's not you don't find as many structures per se, you know, snow load, you know, windfall, that kind of thing as you do over here, Whereas over there, when you find something, you can pretty much get out, walk around it and look to see if there's holes in the ground or a stump, or if it was done by log and equipment, and if it's legit, and you know that you've ruled out all those different things from you know, anything from you know, even just a landslide or whatever. But if you're able to rule out all of those things and you see that it's a big structure, you know that they're in the area. Now.

1:10:15 One thing really interesting about that area is that the game trails are so easy to spot and easy to follow, and the footprints that we found were enormous, and we had probably eight different individuals that we were able to track going up and down this mountain side. Well, we found this one structure, and we had come up with a decision that we were going to try something different with our research. Is that we were going to try and camp at the base of one of the structures. Now, I don't recommend doing that. That was a huge mistake, so please, for any of your listeners, do not do that.

1:11:00 That's a disrespect. And we didn't realize it. Okay, we have since learned, but we did decide that we were going to camp there. Now, it was right off the road and it was just a forest service gravel road. It was right off the road, so the road's up here, and we hiked down about twenty five yards down to the only flat spot we could find, and we decided to just set up our chairs. We didn't even put up a tent, so we parked our two vehicles face nose to nose. I have my jeep. He has a tahoe where he's got one of those roof top tents, so he's, yeah, he's set to go at any given time.

1:11:48 And I'm set to go because I've got a rubicon so i can lay my seats down and sleep in the back. And so we hiked down the trail, we set up our chairs, and we decided that what we were going to do was we were going to invite them to us, instead of going and trying to look for them. We were just going to say Hey, we invite you to come join us at our camp. And we decided we were just gonna sit there and laugh and joke and talk and just be ourselves and not do anything like make any calls or knocks on trees or do anything. We were just going to beat two people hanging out in the woods. And we were sitting there and right about the time that it got dark off through the trees, we started hearing. Now, for anybody that's been in that kind of the forest, and I know that you have. You've got those huge like you know, just almost like they almost look like palm fronds. They're just everywhere, the thick, thick foliage. And it was a somewhat of a dry year last year, so it was like walking on corn flakes. You can hear, just just crunching and excuse me. So we're sitting there and I

1:13:18 told Carlos, I said, did you hear that? Did you hear the footsteps? And he goes, yep, I heard it. And I said, okay, let's just keep right on talking and see if they're going to come up to us. And we heard and it was by pedal, It absolutely by pedal, and it was just coming closer and closer, coming at us, coming up towards us through the brush, going. Sh well, it gets to ride about I would say, probably about twenty five thirty yards from us.

1:14:02 And I stood up and I decided that I was going to greet them, and we had made We had also decided that we were going to speak to them in old languages. We weren't going to talk to them in English, because English is a new language. We wanted to talk to them in old languages and see if that's something that would resonate with them better. So I told, you know, Carlos, I said, Carlos, you talked to them in Spanish. I'm going to talk to them in la Quota. And so okay, we made this deal. And as he was getting closer, I stood up and I introduced myself in Lakota and greeted the person in Lakota. And Carlos hadn't even gotten he hadn't even gotten the chance to even state who he was.

1:14:53 And that. Stopped, turned and went crash crash, crash, crash crash, and ran directly at us. And it's dark, I can't see anything. It's coming at me, and I'm literally we can feel the ground shape like an elephant is coming at us. And I turned Carlos and I went, Carlos, it's time for us to go. Carlos goes, yep, and we stood up, and I was like, I turned around and I headed up the hill and I just said, we're really sorry, We're sorry. We should not have been down here. We were down here too close to your structure. It was disrespectful.

1:15:43 I am so sorry. We're going to go up on the road where we belong, where our people go. We're going to go back up on the road. And Carlos is saying, yep, we're sorry, We're going up on the road now. We literally, oh, hey, anybody that's ever been bleff charged by a bear or or had anything coming at you, you know that if you're if you're in its territory, you need to get out. You need to leave. You need to get in your car and go away. Okay, we didn't. We just went up to the road because that's where we told him where we were gonna go, and we set our chairs down right between the two vehicles, and we literally sat in the dark at the top of that trail that we had just come up. Were about twenty twenty yard twenty five yards down that being bluff charged us. So we didn't Yeah, we didn't leave.

1:16:48 We stayed there, but we stayed between the two vehicles and we sat there and we could hear it paced back and forth, but it never came, never came up. Okay, So oh, I'm sitting there, Carlos sits in his chair. We're talking about it, and everything goes silent down there. So we're like, okay, okay, it's fine with us being up here. We don't have to leave. We're gonna stay here. We're still gonna stay the night. But it's okay, it's not it's not angry at us for being down by the structure. So we're going to stay right here. So we're talking and then Carlos tells me. He goes, you know, I just put something out there in mind speak that I want to see one of them, and he got mind speak back and he goes, I just heard if you want to see us come back one down, and Carlos goes and I told Carlos, so that was a challenge, and he goes, he goes, yeah, I said, are you going to do it? He goes, no, he goes, I'm not going down there, he goes, but I think I am gonna walk down the road in the dark and see if I can communicate with them up here on the road. And I said, Okay, you go right on ahead.

1:18:21 I'm going to stay right here. I'm going to let you do what you're gonna do. I'm going to stay right here. And I sat between the two vehicles in the dark, and it was pitch dark. I couldn't see my hand in front of my face, and I could hear Carlo's pacing, pacing back and forth, pace pace at the back of his tahoe. And I'm just thinking to myself, Okay, well, maybe he's kind of decided that he doesn't want to walk all the way down there by himself, and he's just staying away from me to see if anything happens. And I sat there for good probably an hour, and and I'm going to up. Hey, he's just right over there.

1:19:02 He's not coming back. I don't want to talk to him because if I do, he's it's going to interrupt what he's trying to do. I'm just going to go to bed. So I crawled in my jeep and I put the seats down and crawled into my sleeping bag and I was in my in my the back of my jeep, and I'm thinking to myself, Okay, well, if anything happens, he's gonna he'll yell. I'll hear it, you know. And so I'm in there for a while and probably, oh, I don't know. A couple hours later, you know, I fell asleep. I woke up and I could hear him and it sounded like he was irritated, like he was just may you know. And I'm going, oh, oh, you know, Carlos is irritated. I don't know what he's irritated at.

1:19:55 You know, the guy's got a temper. So I just kind of went, well, if he's irrit tated, I'm going to leave him to it. I'm not gonna, you know, just let him be, you know. And I could hear him walking around the backside of my of my jeep and muling around and clanking the chairs and you know, and I'm going, Okay, I don't know what he's upset about, but I'll find out in the morning. I'm not going to get up. So I go back to sleep, and I wake up in the morning and I'm hearing his tent zipper off the top of his his roof tent and he's coming down, crawling down the ladder off the top of his rig and and and I said, okay, well, time to get up. So I crawl out and I said, well, how did it go last night? And he goes, he goes, what do you mean? How did he go? What a minute? Well, tell me what happened? You know, did you did you?

1:20:53 You know? I noticed that you didn't go very far. And he's like, what do you mean I didn't go very far? And I'm like, well, I noticed that you just kind of stayed right there at the end of your rig. And he goes, no, I would walk down the road like two miles. He goes, I was gone for like a couple hours. And I'm like, wait a second. I said, that wasn't you pacing back and forth at the backside of your rig? And he goes, no, that was them. And I'm like, oh my goodness. I said, okay, so what were you angry about? Because I could hear you like mumbling and knocking stuff around and he goes, it wasn't me, He goes, it was them. He goes, I went when I got back, I crawled up into my tent and I was listening to them, like talking to each other, and they were they were mumbling around, and he goes, I was like, should I go down there and see if Bange leagues? Okay, he goes. He goes, no, he said, if something happens, she'll scream that's wow. And so I'm in my rig thinking it's him, and he's up there listening, knowing that it's them, and I, you know,

1:22:23 completely oblivious. I'm sitting there literally what ten feet maybe fourteen feet away from them for hours in the pitch dark. Now we got up the next you know, walked around that day and found that that trail, that game trail that they climbed up and down, literally crossed the road right at the backside of his rig and went right up the mountain. And we we must accounted probably at that site, probably three different individuals. So and they went to other structures. So we had literally camped on their game trail. And they did not like, oh my goodness, but they were respectful. They didn't. They could have. They could have ruined everything, they could have thrown the chairs, they could have they could have done so much but they were respectful. They just walked around talked about us, I'm sure, and probably you know, cussed us out, you know, for having tried to go down there and stay at their structure. But you know, that was a huge learning experience for us, and it was it was something that I learned then that those structures are sacred and they're

1:23:53 not to be They're not to be messed with. Don't don't mess with them. If you see, you can visit it, don't touch it, and don't stay there, because I think they're sacred. They're sacred ground to them. It's like a going to a longhouse or a church, you know. Oh interesting, Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I next time I find one, I'm not even going to I know some people that would go inside of them. I wouldn't even do that. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, don't go inside. It's okay to be near them, don't go inside because first of all, you don't know what it's used for. You don't know what it's used for. There's a lot of missing for one one, and you don't know if it's well, I mean, let's get real, if it could be something like a you know, a entrance to something else you know, or even you know, something like a portal or something. It's just it's just it's best stay out of what you don't know, visit on the outside, show respect, but don't don't go in, and don't try to don't try to interfere with their life. You know.

1:25:15 Oh man, what what an incredible account? Mm hm that that's going to stick with me for for a while. But Angelie, this has been such a such an interesting conversation. There's been a lot that I think people can learn from this. Thank you for coming on and for sharing what you've experienced over the years and what you've learned. Thank you, Thank you for having me. Absolutely, are there ways that people can keep up to date with what you're doing or do you kind of let people know by when you go on a podcast every once in a while. Or well, actually you can contact us, and I please ask that if you do that, you let me know that you saw this podcast, so that I don't think you're a hacker or somebody, because I'm not going to respond and I'm not going to friend you unless you say I saw you on Jeremy's program, you know, Jeremiah's program.

1:26:17 I'm sorry, Yeah, I'll let it slide. No one else gets to say. Forget me here, I am talking about respect. I'm sorry, but yeah so but no. You can reach us on Legacy Discoveries in Search of the Truth. We're on YouTube and you can see where my son has been documenting day by day by day his interactions and gifting with a group of adolescents that have come in and gifted him casts and they've gifted him their footprints, their handprints, flowers, trinkets.

1:26:59 Been going on for over a year, almost two years, so you can see that day by day documentation on YouTube. We're also on Facebook on two different pages on Facebook Legacy Discoveries, and then you can reach me Angelie Benham on Facebook once more. If you do, please tell me you saw me on this channel. And as as a note, please don't just contact me because you want to start an argument. If you're you're if you're friending me to start an argument. I wish you well in life. But yes, I appreciate you so much for having me on here, and I really I really like what you've got going and the people that you've had on here are just tremendous, really really fantastic people. Thank you for having me on.

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