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Season 1

What happens when a Midwest researcher finds himself face-to-face with a red-eyed creature in the deep woods of Iowa — and then it hurls a log over a six-foot boulder? In this intense and shadowy episode, we sit down with Bob Barhite, a longtime BFRO investigator and veteran of expeditions across the Driftless Area of Iowa. From glowing red eye sightings in Fayette County to terrifying nights at Backbone State Park, Bob recounts hair-raising encounters with creatures that mimic voices, throw objects, and may even use light as communication. You’ll hear stories from Yellow River, Blue Mound State Park, the Mines of Spain, and even Mount Hood — including a chilling moment when a Sasquatch reached into a tent, just inches from a man’s face. If you're into aggressive encounters, stealthy stalkers, and the mysterious Midwest, you won’t want to miss this one.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account comes from the archives from the overlooked forest

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of the Driftless region of Iowa, where something ancient still.

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Rome's Bob Barr Height, Iowa BFRO investigator and come with

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us to find out what waits in the woods of

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northeast Iowa. So stay with us all right side of

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the privilege of talking to mister Bob Barr Height today.

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He's a Midwest based Bigfoot researcher with the BFRO and

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it's a pleasure to talk to you tonight, Bob.

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Oh, that's my pleasure. Sounds like this is going to

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be fun.

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Oh yeah, it's gonna be a good one. You know.

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I'm I'm based just outside of West and Moines kind

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of western Iowa, so there's not many people to talk

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to you out there about Iowa in Midwest Bigfoot and

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we have a mutual connection. I think we both know

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Ontario Richardson. Yes, so we we had a nice chat

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during our last expedition about your name came up a

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few times, so I was like, I've got to talk

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to Bob if I can, If I can do that, eventually,

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so I'm glad that this happened. But Bob, you know,

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I'd love to ask you, what was it that got

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SHA into this whole wild bigfoot thing to begin.

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With the legend of Boggie Creek. I saw that when

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it first came out with my group of friends and

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we slept for two days with the lights on, and

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it was awesome. I think we were eight years old,

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maybe ten, something like that, but it was wonderful. And

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then we used to order books once a month through

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our grade school Scholastic Reader, and they had tons of

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bigfoot books and UFOs and sharks, and I still have

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a bunch of them too to this day. But I

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was hooked. It was a lot of fun reading it.

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And I had the opportunity in a speech class my

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sophomore year in high school to interview a guy up

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in Northeast dial where I grew up. He must have

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been pushing eighty. They didn't even have running water in

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the house. He had a siding back in the Depression,

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so it was about forty five years before I interviewed him.

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He had one on his farm. It was really cool

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to talk to this guy.

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Wow, that was Northeast Iowa.

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Right yep, up in the northeast corner.

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Oh, man, do you remember many details about that?

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Absolutely? He was out clearing stumps in spring and there

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is a stump on the edge of his field that

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he didn't recognize and was right where there's a bunch

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of woods, and he started driving his tractor over to it,

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and the stump got up and walked away. He said

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it was all brown and he thought it was just

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some hobo, but it was too big. My history's a

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little rusty, but this is twenties. I think it was

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about thirty one, okay, thirty two when he saw it.

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There's a lot of Bigfoot stuff up in the northeast,

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as people may be aware if they've you know, if

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you've watched the Finding Bigfoot Iowa episode, then you know

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about Yellow River and all that good stuff. Was this

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in an area where it's still known for Bigfoot to

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this day or was it kind of like a one off?

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No, it's an area north of Yellow River, I think,

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fairly close to French Creek and back in the woods

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in there. So yeah, it's it's still active.

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Interesting. And then so after you did that, did things

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just keep escalating and you were like, wow, this is

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kind of interesting.

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Or well then, so that was my sophomore year in

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high school, which would have been seventy nine. Life kind

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of took over and I saw the show Finding Bigfoot

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and went out to the website and by guy, you know,

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they had expeditions and I signed up for the first

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one twenty twelve. So that's the first time I really

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you ever did anything with the bfro.

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Hold on, hold on by I'm missing a big connection

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here that I just realized. So this is seventy nine

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that you interviewed a guy about Bigfoot in northeast Iowa.

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And so do you mind if I asked, like, where

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you're based out of at this time?

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This time is over in the Driftless region just west

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of Madison. Okay, so you're in Wisconsin or Iowa. I'm

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in Wisconsin. I grew up in wakan wak On, Iowa,

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not too far from where like Yellow River, French Creek,

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Uper Iowa River, all that.

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Okay, So at this time, did you have any connections

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with guys that were also interviewing people in Iowa.

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No? Oh, so there's this big gap of time. You know,

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we had kids moved all over the country, lived out

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in Oregon for a while, but the Bigfoot thing really

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never came up, and moved back to the Midwest in

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nineteen ninety eight, and you'd hear a little flashes. My

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sister still lives in Wakan, so you know she mentioned

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something about Bigfoot or like, you know, your friends still

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see it once in a while. Yeah, sure, okay, And

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I just got curious most the show hit in really

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twenty teens, right around map that I just you know,

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started watching it, and yeah, it was It was a

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lot of fun.

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The reason I brought that question up is that this

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at the same time pier so one am I really like.

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I guess you could almost say my Roman Empire is

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nineteen seventies Bigfoot Iowa history. Yeah, it's wild. So at

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the same time that you were having that interview, there

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was a group of guys in Iowa called the Iowa

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Bigfoot Information Center, and that's that's a whole side thing.

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But it's kind of cool that you were doing your

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own thing. You interviewed a guy about Bigfoot in seventy nine.

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At the same time, there are a bunch of other

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dudes that were looking into things like the Lockridge Monster,

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case other things in southeast Iowa, the palas siting, Humboldt

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County sightings, all that. There's a lot of crazy stuff,

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as you're already probably aware of. In the seventies in

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Iowa it got really crazy. But there's other episodes that

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you can listen to listeners if you haven't where I

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talked about that a lot. So finding Bigfoot got you

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all all into it, and then after that you've really

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got into I mean, you got into quite a bit

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of bigfoot expeditions. It looks like your resume is pretty wild.

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I mean, you did stuff in Iowa. I want to

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say you did stuff in Minnesota, or it says throughout

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the Midwest, in Oregon public in private expeditions. You've been

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all over the place. Were they were they public expeditions

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out in Oregon.

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Yeah, that was a public expedition in twenty thirteen on

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the south side of Mount Hood. Wow, and that was

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really cool. We were following up on a report this

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hunter and his son had They were out scouting and yeah,

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they were hassled for about five hours by a couple

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of bigfoots.

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Can you elaborate what hassled would mean?

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Sure? Yeah, So they were out archery hunting, and they

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initially heard this nondescript mumbling, and the dad described it

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as like two mutes or two hard of hearing people

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trying to talk to each other. And he went to sleep.

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The son heard footsteps around the tent and he saw

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this hand pressed down toward his father's face. Dad was

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snoring really loud, so he thought that the sun thought

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that whatever it was outside was curious. So the kid

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screamed and the kid, nineteen year old kid screamed. The

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hand disappeared. Dad woke up, and that's when the fund

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started because they could hear things walking around mumbling to

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each other. What was really interesting is when the hand

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was pulled away. They both described the sounds they heard

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is like the same sound that dad makes to his

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kid when the kid does something dumb. So it's like

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the dad Bigfoot was chastising the small one or the

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youth bigfoot for putting his hand close to a person's face.

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It finally ended when they both had to go to

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the bathroom and they ran out. They went outside and

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the dad shined this flashlight and probably twenty feet away

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there is a good eight foot tall bigfoot standing there.

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It didn't move. All it did was turn its head

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and block the light with his hands, and that's it,

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we're going. So they threw everything in the back of

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their truck and they just raced away.

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Wow, that is fantastic. Did you find anything when you

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guys went out there.

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Yeah, we found a trackway behind where the base camp was.

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It had gone up the side of the hill which

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was kind of brushy, so you could see the indentations,

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and then it came back down the others back down

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to this one track road two track road that had

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been following It looked like the day before the expedition.

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Before I got there, they had a visual sighting out

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in a clear cut of a sasquatch standing on two

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trees stumps, and it didn't notice they were driving up

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on it coming around this logging road until it was

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one hundred feet away. It saw it and it kind

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of did like Chris Farley hop and then it just

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ran away. So they nicknamed that one.

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Tommy boy, that's the greatest thing I've heard in five years.

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Yeah, and yeah, it was plausible because I know the

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investigator pretty well and we didn't have much go on

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until the last night of the expedition. Then we had

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eye glow and there was something in the brush watching

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us because we did this big cookout thing, and it

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was good at the very least. It was very scenic,

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and I really enjoyed meeting a whole different group of

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people that I'm used to hanging out with.

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Absolutely. So that was the Oregon trip, and then you've

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had it sounds like multiple expeditions in the Midwest. Are

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there any things that stick out in your mind about

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things you've experienced over the years from those West expeditions

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that you could share?

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Oh? Man, how much time do we have?

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Right?

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Yeah, the very first expedition I went on in twenty twelve,

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it was the Wednesday before I normally we don't like

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people coming in really, but they allowed me to come in.

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Got there about seven o'clock and got everything set up,

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and a couple hours later, three of us went out

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to examine this horse trail that they've always wanted to

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go on. So we walked the horse trail and then

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it empties into the back of a field. We walked

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the edge of the field to where it drops down

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where a creek is. So we were just hanging out

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there and within two minutes, three minutes, really quick. We

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all saw it at the same time, these two red

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glowing dots off to our left and about ten o'clock high,

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so up above head height. And over the course of

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about thirty seconds, those two dot slowly looked like it

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went into the ground, moved left to right and then

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down and they were really highper Yeah, that's eye glow.

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We saw eye glow. And we went back the next

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day because nobody could figure it out. Wyat disappeared into

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the ground. We went back and whatever was there you

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could see where grass had been pressed down. It walked

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down the side of a gully, and that's how it

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made its escape away from us. Within twenty minutes of

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the first time I ever went out. You know, it's

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like hitting a home run the first time you're up

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to bat. In the major leagues, there's been a lot

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of eye glow stuff going on. We did an expedition

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up in Yellow River where there was a large group

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and we got split. We were split up, and I

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was with some seniors who were in a women's choir

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from Chicago, and we stopped and let them catch their

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breath and they started singing and just talking. They you know,

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breaking all the rules. We want some quiet, you know,

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we want to see what's going on. So they're just

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talking away gap gap gap, and from atop a hill

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right across from us, these two white spots appear really

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close together, and slowly it came down the hill toward us,

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and the spots got you know, further apart until you

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can see in the center of the two white spots

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the black pupil or what appears to be a pupil,

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and then there's eye glow that came around are left

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in our right, so they're trying to out flank us.

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And that went on for about twenty minutes. It was

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the most impressive display I've ever seen. So you're it

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sounds like you're saying those those were eyes, right, it's

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our understanding, and I know it's kind of hard to believe,

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but their eyes somehow are in mid light. Yeah, I don't,

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you know, it's not like it's a flashlight, although I've

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seen the flashlight effect before, but I don't know. We're

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thinking that Lisa group, I'm with that it's a way

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to communicate over distance without making a sound. So, you know,

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one bigfoot could be on one ridge and one on

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the other side and one eyes go are white and

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kind of blank, and like, oh, there's Fred over there.

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Just a way to communicate and be silent.

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That is very interesting. You said that that was in

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I guess your first one was that in Iowa.

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Yeah, the first one was in Fayette County.

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Oh yeah, yep, okay, very nice. I talked to a

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gentleman a few years ago and he shared what was

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the weirdest story that I've ever heard. One of the

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weirdest stories I've ever heard. I've heard a few, but

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this was out of Backbone, Oh, in Iowa. And I'm

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just curious if you've ever heard of it as well.

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There's a gentlemen who said that there was a group

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of them and they saw like blue lights, blue orbs,

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and they were looking at the oars, and they looked

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behind them and there was a bigfoot that was seemed

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to be controlling it. Is that anything that you've ever

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heard of?

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I haven't heard that, but man, backbone is such a

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great place. Oh really, we did an expedition there. Oh,

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it was about this time. It was about this time

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of year, and last night of the expedition, and it

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had been active. We had all kinds of tree knocks.

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We had vocalizations. It was perfect. And there's an old

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fish hatchery in Backbone and about twenty five about twenty

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five of us were there, just kind of meeting up

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to see what was going to go on for the

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rest of the night. And then there's this the loudest

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tree knock I've ever heard. It was like a Verry

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Bomb's home run within one hundred feet of us, and

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you could hear everybody just gasp. And there was an

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investigator standing right behind me and he about plowed me

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over trying to get out of there. It was really

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a spectacular noise.

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Wow.

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So, yeah, Backbone is a great place to go. I

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enjoy it.

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I believe I've heard like a lot of people in

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that particular area they'll get almost escorted out of the

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park or.

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Yeah, yeah, we had that. So a group of three

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guys were up in this one spot in the park

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and one of them did a whoop, and then of

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from the distance, they heard the whoop come back. That's

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pretty cool. A couple of minutes later it was closer,

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another whoop. A couple of minutes after that, it was

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like right on top of them and they just and

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these are season investigators. They just turned in like bolted

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out because they it was spring, so they were thinking, well,

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maybe it's mating season. Maybe we said, hey, baby, what's

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up right?

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Hopefully not.

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Not a way to not a fun way to go out,

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I suppose, but I was right.

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So for among people that really care about Iowa Bigfoot research,

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which there's not a lot of us, or at least

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not a lot, I know, it seems like a question

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that always comes up is which one do you think

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is more squatchy Backbone or Yellow River?

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I would say Yellow River, but personally I haven't been

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over there in four or five years to check it out.

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We didn't exactly want to give it up for finding

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Bigfoot because it had been so active. But you know,

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once the show comes out, you can't really control who

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goes in there and what they do. But I do

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have a friend that occasionally goes in there, and he

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was there at the end of March, and it was,

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at least in his opinion, it was starting to get

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active again. There were tree structures, there were a couple

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of hoops. You know, take it as you want, but yeah,

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he thinks it's becoming active again.

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When you've been out looking, have you ever heard any

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sounds that don't seem to fit the location that you're at.

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Yeah. I think the best examples are just having my

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jam block, which is a percussion instrument for jazz, and

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use that for a tree dock. Having that mimic back

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at me is a very specific ping, and I've never

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heard it outside of me hitting the jam block and

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having it come back at me. That's just that's one example.

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We've had whoops which don't sound like, you know, like

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an owl or a loon. They don't sound like a

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coyote or a wolf or any other critter that lives

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in the woods, So those are unusual. I think the

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really unusual ones those when you do a knock and

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you get that back, and then you do a couple

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more knocks and you get the exact number of knocks

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back at you. Yep. And I've had that happen a

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couple of times up in northeast Ilad as well.

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Have you ever heard anything like a car door for

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a rusty gate?

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Yes?

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Really, thank you?

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Yes, oh boy, I've heard that twice in Fayette County.

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First expedition we went, I took a guy down in

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I was where we had the eye glow, and we

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went back in there and we heard the car radio effect,

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like chattering. But there's no radio anywhere near us. There's

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no road.

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Sorry, the car radio effect. I've never heard of that before.

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Okay, it sounds like a distant car radio, but there's

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no there's nothing around. There's no car where we were standing.

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It would have to have been like a hundred watt

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like a mini who concert going on for us to

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hear a car radio. Sure, there's no houses, there's no

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other people in there that we knew of, no of

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It just sounded like somebody was playing music. You couldn't

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quite make out the words. And then we heard chattering

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when we were checking out the same location about three

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years later, right at the end of March, and we

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were walking up to the main campsite, and all along

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our on one side, we kept hearing sound like a radio,

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like somebody was trying to talk on a radio to

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us the whole way up to where we were going.

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It's just there's nobody who had a radio on. Nobody

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had a walkie talkie. That's the best way to describe it,

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as somebody's trying to talk to you, oh man rusty gate. Yeah,

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I've had that actually not that far from Madison in

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Blue Mountain State Park for the Wisconsin listeners, which is

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a small park, but there's been I've had quite a

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bit of activity in there. I've had stuff thrown at

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me and eyeglow and seeing shadows out in the distance

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on the horizon moving around. But yeah, they sounded like

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a gate swinging like you described it.

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Now, do you have any explanations for that, because let's say,

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I know, this gets brought up in a few paranor

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like not so much Bigfoot podcast but paranormal ones, and

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they want to say, like, okay, meybe it's a portal.

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Maybe there's something dog man related. So it kind of

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comes up sometimes in Bigfoot conversations as well.

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My hunch would be that they're mimicking sounds as a diversion,

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trying to get our attention away from something going on

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either behind us or off to one side. That's consistent

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with having stealth thrown at me from behind that there's

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something more active, like it's like they want me to

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turn around and look at him because there's something out

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in front of me they don't want me to see

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now whether it's like a juvenile or something else, but

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that's my feeling, that's my suspicion.

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Another interesting thing that has been mentioned in two different

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parts of the US recently. Eli Watson talks about it

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in an Olympic Project doc he just did where it

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almost sounds like there's some sort of and then Alton

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Higgins also says that he heard that in the Area

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X on their podcast. Is that anything that you've ever

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heard anything where it almost sounds like there's some singing

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in the background or anything close to that.

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Yeah, that would have been the radio effect.

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Oh yeah, it just.

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Sounded like a distant car radio, like there's a song on.

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We were conversing beforehand, and you'd mentioned the Driftless region,

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which from what I'm aware, that is northeast Iowa, a

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lot of the western side of Wisconsin, and a little

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bit of the southeast corner of Minnesota. Is that correct correct?

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Yeah, And it goes down into Illinois like around Dubuque,

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Cross River and Galina on that side too, but most

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of it's in northeast Iowa, southeast Minnesota, and especially in Wisconsin.

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So a lot of listeners and I did this before

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I moved out here too. You think of the midwestern

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Iowa as cornfields and the field of dreams, it's important

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to know that places like the Driftless Region exist and

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would you be able to explain why that region is important,

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especially when it comes to bigfoot research.

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Right, So the Driftless Region exists because the last Rondic

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glaciers missed it. So instead of getting scraped down like

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western Iowa, it's this area that's kind of lost in time.

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Steep hills, underfed streams. It's just amazing. It is heavily wooded,

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it has low population, and it has an abundance of food. Yeah,

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you've got deer, You've got all kinds of fishing going

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on in the crowd streams and the cornfields that they

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still grow in there, you know, is a great place

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to go if you don't want to be seen. You

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can follow rivers, you can follow streams through the woods

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obviously and just never be seen by anybody. So you

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have means of escape. So it's like if you're a bipedal,

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a foot tall creature, creeter creature, if you're something like

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that and you want to move and not be seen.

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Northeast Iowa, Wisconsin Minnesota the best place to go.

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Mm hmm. The reports that come out of the northeast

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part of the state are are wild and these are

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things that I get every once in a while. Directly

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to me, I mean Dubute County for sure. All the

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all the time people are bringing up to Butte County,

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little Macocata River. It just sounds like if all these

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people are legit, like there's a lot of action going

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on in the Debute County area.

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Right I've helped investigate an area just south of the

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Mines of Spain. It was great. We've gone in there

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a couple of times. The investigation we were doing. It

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was a father and his kids, and it was kind

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of lake fall. We were standing on the side of

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a hill and there's this spot where these these couple

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of bowlders just you know, still sitting there, and we're

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all kind of waiting around seeing what's happened. All of

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a sudden, we all see this thing swirl and our

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first thought was it was an owl taken off, but

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it was a branch about three feet in size, not

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like a baseball bet and whatever through it had to

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throw it downward over the top of these boulders. Which

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you're about six feet tall something very tall through it.

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It wasn't like a tree branch breaking because it twirled

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in the air, you know, like you throw a branch sidearm,

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same effect. It's swirled and landed about ten feet from us.

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And there's been other sidings down in there. We've had

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the flashlight effect on our way out, which is like

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the eyeglow is so strong that it's looking at a

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base of a tree and you can see it and

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it looks like somebody's trying in a flashlight of the ground. Really,

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it's a great place, and little Mcocata, the whole area

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up there is it's a place that needs to be

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investigated more thoroughly than it is right now.

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Have you ever heard of anything coming out of the

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Macocota Caves area.

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Yeah, we've heard a couple of reports. I'm not sure

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if they came in through the message board from the

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BFRO or if they were just stuff that I've picked

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up on Facebook or other podcasts, but yeah, there's been

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stuff that's happened in there. I've always meant to go

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and spend a weekend down there, but that hasn't quite

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come to fruition yet.

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Gotcha. There's a question that I wanted to make sure

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that I asked. This is from Scott from the Patreon.

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It has to do with when you do investigations. When

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doing investigations, are there any techniques and cues that help

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establish the integrity and truthfulness of the witness?

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Sure Face to face contact is one embellishing a story.

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So the more they tell it, the more details a

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00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:56.480
person remember, you know, adds to it. You Before we

464
00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:02.839
even call anybody you know that's submitted a report, we

465
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:06.200
check out the weather, we check out time of day,

466
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:10.519
the location that they try to give him the report.

467
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:14.880
Sometimes they're very exact, sometimes they're not. Just the veracity

468
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:18.279
of the report, I guess, you know, because we get

469
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.440
all kinds. We get reports from people who I've got

470
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:26.720
a sasquatch living in my basement, Okay, thanks for letting

471
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:29.000
us know all the way up to people who've written

472
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.759
like two or three pages in word and copied and

473
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.200
pasted into the report, and there's way too much detail

474
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:43.279
for somebody to remember. It reads more like a short story.

475
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.400
And then we get the reports like the gentleman out

476
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.519
in Oregon with his son and having talked to him

477
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:53.480
and listened to him tell the story, the body, his

478
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:56.480
body language, how he reacted, how his son. You can

479
00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:01.440
see his son visibly become upset. The ratest speech the

480
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.599
guy was using as he was telling the story, and

481
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.599
the more details, you know, when he got into what

482
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:10.000
was happening, it was like his heart was increasing. He

483
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.359
was speaking kind of kind of like this, like I

484
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.119
am right now, where you just kind of start and

485
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:20.880
stop and and have nerves that whatever happened to them,

486
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:27.039
you know, it was it shook him up. And then

487
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.599
when we go into the location to do a follow

488
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:35.720
up investigation, is it plausible? I mean, did they see

489
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:39.759
what they see? What they saw again based on time

490
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:43.519
of day and the weather conditions, and you know, Moon,

491
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.160
I hope that answered the question for him.

492
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.200
I'd say that that's a really good answer for sure.

493
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.920
And a lot of that I'm like, yep, I know

494
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.319
exactly what you're what you're talking about, because it kind

495
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.359
of goes over to when I talked to people for this,

496
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:09.680
you had mentioned that there was a situation where you

497
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:14.440
took a friend to an active location and then something

498
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:16.119
kind of funny happened.

499
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.880
Oh yeah, so again that was in Blue Mountain State Park,

500
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.160
It was about nine o'clock at night, and a group

501
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:27.279
of my like three people and myself, a guy and

502
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:32.519
his girlfriend, another guide me. We had dinner together, and

503
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.359
you know, they just go, there's no such thing as bigfoot,

504
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:37.000
and they're just kind of egg and beyond. Let's go

505
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:39.720
see what happened. Let's let's go see where you go.

506
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:44.400
All right, It's about fifteen minute drive where we were,

507
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:45.839
and we park on the side of the road and

508
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:50.319
everybody gets out. Overcast night, a little bit of a

509
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:55.240
chill in the air, damp it had rained, and I

510
00:31:55.319 --> 00:32:00.240
do a high pitch boop and immediately from the it's

511
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.119
behind us, the poop comes back at us and from

512
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.240
right in front of us, whatever it was, and make

513
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.279
my hoop, my woop right back at us again and

514
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.279
make us pile it into the car. Well, we got

515
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.160
to go. It's like, come on, the show is about

516
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.160
to begin. But you know they wanted to go, so

517
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.000
I had to take them home. But it was that

518
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:23.559
was fun.

519
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.200
That just man, that blows my mind. And you just

520
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.519
you hear situations like that over and over. It's like

521
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:35.880
someone wants to get into the situation and then something

522
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:37.920
happens and they're like, we got to get out of here.

523
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:42.359
It's like, dude, why did you even like? And I

524
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.279
mean I get it. I've experienced some weird stuff in Iowa.

525
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:50.440
I haven't well, let's see tree pushed over wood Knox,

526
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:58.000
but I heard whoops in my tent. I guess nothing

527
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.480
that would really scare me yet. I mean it was

528
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:02.359
all really cool.

529
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:06.279
But had it happened with a guy who acted military.

530
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.920
We were down in Fayette County and we were walking

531
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.319
this dead end road that goes to a bridge and

532
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.759
we get to the spot where there's water that trickles

533
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.480
down the side of a hill. I think it would

534
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.680
stop and I tell him, you know, this is a

535
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.400
spot where stuff usually happens. And he looks at the

536
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.960
hill and said, what are all those white lights looking

537
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.880
at us? Oh? They're checking us out. He turns around

538
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:32.960
and wants to leave right away. I've seen it.

539
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:39.559
Wow. Yeah, I mean for some people that that is enough,

540
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.200
you know, and they're they're out. Have you ever had

541
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.599
a situation where you've actually had a visual or what

542
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.720
do you feel that the closest you've been able to

543
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:50.759
come to one?

544
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:55.559
Would be good question. So when we did an expedition

545
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.920
at Iowa in I think it was twenty fourteen. In

546
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.680
Fayette County, we do a big cookout when we were

547
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:07.559
doing this. Up by West Union, there's a park that

548
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.800
was built by a civilian conservation Corps during World War

549
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:16.719
right before World War Two, and everybody was in the

550
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.559
shelter and they were eating and having fun, and I

551
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.320
was just standing out on the periphery of it, just

552
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:28.840
watching this area down below us, and I saw something

553
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:36.480
very tall, all one color, stride between two trees and

554
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:41.960
just stop. And we knew where everybody was at the time,

555
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:46.159
so it wasn't anybody in our group, and it was

556
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.880
uniform in color, it was tall, and it was thin.

557
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:59.960
And this was mid April, late April. Again to my satisfaction, Yeah,

558
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:05.119
I can say I've seen Sasquatch. I've had shadows. I've

559
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:09.920
been with another investigator in Fayette County standing on a

560
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.480
dead end road for the and the bridge there and

561
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.880
we both have seen something big and white move between

562
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.199
a couple of rocks on the river. So I've had

563
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.559
I haven't had the classic Patterson Gimlin road crossing high

564
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.719
how you folks do, and I'm just look away type

565
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:32.639
type thing. But I've had to my satisfaction. I can

566
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.360
say I've seen something that I can't identify.

567
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:42.599
That's that's really cool. Though maybe someday I will get

568
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.559
to that. We will see. I just need to get

569
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.559
more out on the field. Another question that comes up

570
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:54.480
in Iowa big Foot circles, is everything good happens east

571
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.639
of Des Moines. How do you feel about that?

572
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.360
Well, being from northeast Iowa, Yeah, I can see that,

573
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.519
I don't you know. I'm more familiar with the eastern

574
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:10.360
part of the state, and I've driven to like go

575
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:14.719
Maaha and around there, and I went to school in

576
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:19.800
Amazon City. So it's not as heavily wooded. It's more

577
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:24.320
it's flatter. You still have some rolling hills. I wouldn't

578
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.280
say there's one hundred percent correct, because as you get

579
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:33.079
closer to Missouri from Des Moines, there's activity down there.

580
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:36.840
So we've had reports of rocks hitting cars. You know,

581
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.239
people have been just stopped on the side of the

582
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:44.039
road and the sky had a windshield cracked by a

583
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:45.480
rock that cat flung at him.

584
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:46.480
Oh wow.

585
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.320
So I wouldn't say it's one hundred percent accurate accurate

586
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.559
that the good stuff happens east to des Moines. But

587
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.280
definitely if you're in Des Moines and you want to

588
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:02.039
check out Stuffy in a county park that's out in

589
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.760
the middle of nowhere, just look for water and look

590
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.440
for trees. Google maps, best friend.

591
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.960
You could have Yeah, that actually leads to a good, quick,

592
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.960
good question. So and you may have just answered that,

593
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.800
what are your factors you look for? If let's say

594
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:20.719
you're in a new area, new state, and all you've

595
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.840
got is like you're using your map, what are the

596
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.880
main things that you're you're looking for to find the places?

597
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.360
I look for a few roads, so not like western

598
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.519
Iowa where you have crossroads about every half mile, quarter

599
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.960
mile or something like that. So it's not checkerboard like that.

600
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:44.199
But you look for trees, you know, woods, You look

601
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:50.280
for water, and just like that's a good example of

602
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:54.360
the state forest up in northern northern Wisconsin. You look

603
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:59.960
for areas where it hasn't been heavily clear cut yet,

604
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:04.159
where there's still older trees fifty sixty seven year old

605
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.119
trees and have them been cut down, but there's ponds

606
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:13.800
in it, for example, and not very many people. And

607
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.199
for me, that's a good place to start.

608
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:20.199
Gotcha, do you ever focus on what the annual amount

609
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:21.079
of rainfall is.

610
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:26.599
Not exclusively, Okay, I look more towards when does spring

611
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.880
start coming in, when does winter come in? What are

612
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.320
the temperatures. I've had activity again at Blue Mountain State

613
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:41.000
Park in Wisconsin during heavy drought. It's a constant source

614
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.840
of water. So if there's no rain, it's a lot

615
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.320
harder to find water. So you find the water and

616
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:47.880
wait for them. They're going to show up.

617
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:56.159
Sure, has there ever been a time when you were

618
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.000
either like, you know what, this is too intense. If

619
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.920
I could get out of here now, I would. Or

620
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:06.039
have you ever heard of anything reported to you from

621
00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:08.840
someone else that was like wow, If that happened to me,

622
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.079
I would be like, I'm out.

623
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:13.880
Well, I think the guy in Oregon they have the

624
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:18.239
and his son had invent stock, that would yeah, I'm out. Yeah.

625
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:22.119
Personally Fayette County again, first time I ever went out

626
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:27.960
by myself, and it was a Memorial Day weekend and

627
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.719
I got into the park really late. It was like

628
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.079
eleven thirty already at night, and I had to park

629
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:37.280
and walk into the same spot where I initially saw Igeil.

630
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:41.519
The very first time I ever went out and made

631
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:45.119
my way down in there, and I thought it was

632
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.000
in there like two or three hours. And I got

633
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.840
a videotape camera going an old Sony with night vision,

634
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.280
and I hear something rustling to my left and I

635
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:58.599
look over and whatever it was, it was kind of

636
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:03.119
standing down in a ravine, but it was almost my height.

637
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:08.039
And when I look at the video, yeah, you can

638
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:09.760
kind of make out a face, but you can definitely

639
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.880
see the shape of the head and the eyes, and

640
00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:17.920
it kind of is swaying back and forth. And sometimes

641
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.079
the discretion is a better part of valor. So I

642
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.960
got out of there really fast. Yeah, and I went

643
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.559
back and when I did watch the tape, I was

644
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:29.920
only in there maybe twenty minutes. But time wise, when

645
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:34.320
you're standing in kind of like up against a pine tree,

646
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:35.519
time stops.

647
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:41.280
Right. Yep, you made the right choice probably getting out

648
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:43.519
of there. That sounds pretty pretty interesting.

649
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.679
It was intense. Yeah.

650
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:51.719
Have you ever had any discussions with DNR officials or

651
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.800
the equivalent of such about Bigfoot?

652
00:40:56.440 --> 00:41:01.199
Yes, in Wisconsin, I had a good DNR connection. They

653
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:06.920
would field reports and just put them in a very

654
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.199
equivalent of the a dead letter office. Just put him

655
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:15.920
in a drawer and he would give me some, you know,

656
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:18.280
he'd give me the better ones or the ones that

657
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.679
the DNR themselves had. Specifically, it was up around the

658
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:26.400
Wisconsin Dells several years ago. DNR guy out he found

659
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:33.000
tracks about eight feet apart. So something very tall walked

660
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.039
through this freshly maintained gravel road and you can easily

661
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:40.119
see the footprints. He said, huge stride. Whatever it was

662
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:44.440
was very tall. Now you can't rule out basketball player

663
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.559
from the UW coming up to the Dells, but they were.

664
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.400
They get reports, they don't follow up on them. They'll

665
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:52.800
let's put them away.

666
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:58.039
How does one go about starting that type of connection,

667
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:02.159
because that's an incredible thing to have going on.

668
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:10.559
I met him through his wife. We would there's a

669
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.239
place in Mount Horror, Wisconsin where we would go, you know,

670
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:19.119
spend the evening, and once he got comfortable enough knowing me,

671
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.480
we had other hobbies that we enjoyed. He's a big

672
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:30.519
hockey fan. I love hockey. He teaches snowboarding. I don't snowboard.

673
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.360
I just plummet up. We would chat and once he

674
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.079
trusted me enough he started That's when he started giving reports.

675
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.480
So it's usually it's like a second hand connection. I

676
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.760
guess you could say, gotcha for me, it seems like

677
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.280
it's the best way. And just coming up and approaching

678
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.159
a d NR officer, Hey what you got for bigfoot?

679
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:56.039
Right? Yeah? That never goes well. No, usually doesn't work. Guys,

680
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.800
don't do it. Do you have any like bigfoot stuff

681
00:42:58.840 --> 00:42:59.599
on your vehicle?

682
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.880
I have one tiny sticker on the back window. It's

683
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:11.079
there along with the American Needs Farmer sticker University of Iowa,

684
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.760
A twins and a Viking, So yeah, everybody knows I'm certifiable.

685
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:21.199
Nice. Has having that sticker led to any any people

686
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:28.000
coming up to you or anything interesting at that.

687
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.840
I've been waived at. Somebody would pass me and wave.

688
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.840
Yeah maybe I was just going the speed limit and

689
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.000
they didn't like it, but they would wave. But people

690
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.719
coming up and wanting to talk, no, and I kind

691
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:37.519
of like it that way.

692
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:44.519
Gotcha? You know? Have you ever had any thing happen

693
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.559
in the Kettle Moraine area of Wisconsin.

694
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:53.599
We had an expedition in the Southern Moraine sout Maraine.

695
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.360
Apparently I picked a bad weekend because there was some

696
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.960
stock car races or tractor pull or something going on

697
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:06.760
that was relatively close. I haven't had anything happen, but

698
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.840
the Northern Braine would be my preference to go to.

699
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.119
Up there's a fire tower. There's a loop that has

700
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.800
a fire tower on it, and that is one of

701
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.920
the creepiest places I've ever walked. You can go in

702
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:24.239
there midday and there's so much growth in there is

703
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:28.360
like you're in at night. And I know an investigator

704
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.360
that lived up around there and would go there quite

705
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.719
a bit, and he had all kinds of activity. He's

706
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:39.960
had chattering back and forth around him. He's been escorted

707
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:44.280
out numerous times. He just he says, it just gives

708
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:45.920
him a really bad vibe going in there.

709
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:49.519
Is that j Patrocian?

710
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.960
No, it's Rick Rellis.

711
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.400
Oh yeah, Rick's the guy that told me the story

712
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:57.719
from Backbone.

713
00:44:58.400 --> 00:44:59.719
That would have been our expedition.

714
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:09.199
Really, yes, Bob, are you holding out me? No? So

715
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:15.920
you were on the expedition for the orbs in the Bigfoot. Yeah, okay, dude.

716
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.360
So they kind of questioned whether it was orbs, but okay,

717
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.840
that should be our expedition because we've got in there

718
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.280
a couple of times and it's a great place. Again.

719
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.000
So were you there for that incident or was it

720
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:33.519
a thing where like people were split up and then

721
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:35.159
they told you later about what happened.

722
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.039
I didn't find out about it until the next morning. Okay,

723
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.880
his group, you know, we divide up into groups. It's

724
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:45.199
not like one massive people to go out, so we'll

725
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:50.639
split into like usually it's one investigator and about four

726
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.000
or five other people, and we have areas where we

727
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.760
want to go. And they had a pretty good activity.

728
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:58.480
They had a good times.

729
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:02.840
It's such a crazy and it's a wild story. It's

730
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:04.719
one of the wildest. Rick is a cool guy.

731
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.079
Did he tell you about the happening that he had?

732
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:11.719
This is in Wisconsin.

733
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:19.039
I don't know. It's been I've solid four years. It's

734
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:22.440
been a while. It doesn't really it doesn't sound familiar.

735
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.800
Okay, it was out a Wisconsin expedition. It was he

736
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.760
a family of four who have never gone out before,

737
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.400
and then another investigator behind the group. And they were

738
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:39.320
walking this road and it felt like they walked into

739
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.119
a wave of electricity. So the first person felt it

740
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:45.280
and like, oh, what's that? And then person behind him,

741
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:50.039
oh my god. As they kept moving, so it was

742
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:50.880
like they hit a wall.

743
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:58.400
Is there any other explanation for what that could be?

744
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:07.559
I leaned towards like infrasound, because there are other mammals

745
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:11.960
that produce it, right, and it seems like the most

746
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:13.719
plausible explanation.

747
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:21.039
Usually larger predators, right right, Yeah, which in that area

748
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:25.000
would we be looking at, like mountain lions or.

749
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:29.400
There's a couple in that area. I don't think they

750
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.360
would produce it. I don't think they're big enough. I

751
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.760
think they would just growl and be very annoyed with you.

752
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.880
But the feeling that you're walking into a wave of electricity,

753
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:41.840
I've had. That happened a couple of times myself. One

754
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.840
was up in Yellow River. I'd crawled into the back

755
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.440
of my truck for the night, and then this wave

756
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:52.760
hit me, and it was a tingling sensation. If you've

757
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.880
ever been shocked, like you know, plugging in something into

758
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.239
an outlet and accidentally have your finger on the tongue,

759
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.440
it's not quite that intense, but it was similar. And

760
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:06.159
I remember disagreem that you're yelling like stop it, I'm

761
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.199
going to bed, and it stopped right away.

762
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:17.559
Really, oh wow, that is interesting, And no health issues, no, no.

763
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.760
Long term effects, but that it was just an annoying

764
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.199
somebody something was annoyed that I had parked my truck

765
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.920
so close to where they were going to go fishing.

766
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.360
It was next to a creek actually not that farmore

767
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:39.199
we filmed the Finding Bigfoot. So my feeling is that

768
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:42.000
I just annoyed something and it was letting me know.

769
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.559
Just realized I'm missing an obvious question. You were not

770
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.519
involved with the filming of Finding Bigfoot?

771
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:51.320
Oh? Yeah, I was involved.

772
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:55.639
You were okay the trailer? Yeah, okay. I was like,

773
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:58.800
come on, that's a question to ask my internal thoughts.

774
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.920
Can you share anything from that experience of being involved

775
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:03.800
with that episode?

776
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:08.000
Sure? If you haven't seen the episode, churn out the

777
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:13.760
last five minutes please or are you going to see

778
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:18.559
me on thermal? Because what happened? All the good stuff

779
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:23.039
happened when there wasn't a camera crew around. So there's

780
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.599
a fire tower up and Yellow River, and there was

781
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:30.320
a group of us hanging out there and I had

782
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:33.360
something chucked at me like a walnut just come flying

783
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:37.719
past my head, just missed me. Hear the whiz from it,

784
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:41.320
and hear it land right right behind me. So that

785
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:46.840
that happened. There was a couple of investigators walking the

786
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:52.000
fire tower road and something landed at their feet and

787
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.239
an investigator picked up a rock and threw it back

788
00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:59.480
in the direction where the stuff came. Not a good idea.

789
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:03.440
You get stuff frown constantly then, so they irritated something.

790
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:08.360
But that last night was it was interesting. It was

791
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:10.880
a good idea, a good plan of having us all

792
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:15.000
positioned around on this road and money meant Moneymaker and

793
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:23.119
Cliff were walking along the edge of a creek and

794
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.480
I'm trying to get their attention because on the other

795
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.719
side of the creek, right behind him, something with red

796
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:33.519
eyes was moving back and forth. Their walkie talkies weren't on,

797
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.119
and obviously they couldn't see me because it's pitch black,

798
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.199
so I'm trying to run up to them and get

799
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.880
their attention. So that's why I'm on TV in Thermal.

800
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.599
And afterwards we started questioning the crew because it's not

801
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:53.920
a huge crew. Ten to fifteen people that came with them,

802
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:56.599
and none of them were in that area where we

803
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:59.280
were seeing the y club. They were all at the

804
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:04.800
designated parking area, so something was pacing behind him on

805
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:08.119
the other side of the creek. But as the show goes,

806
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:14.360
that was a fair representation of a BFRO expedition. You know. Again,

807
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:16.199
we divide it up into groups and we had a

808
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:19.199
big cookout when it started, and it was a lot

809
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.679
of fun, except for like the last again, the very.

810
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.000
End, right exactly. Yeah, it becomes an interesting episode for sure.

811
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.280
People don't know the Iowa episode. You should go watch it.

812
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.400
I think it's like on Discovery Plus. Are there any

813
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.360
things that you would want to clear up about what

814
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.760
people might think about it.

815
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:43.079
It's definitely not a way to make money. I know

816
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:47.880
we charge, but we've got overhead, we pay insurance, there's

817
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.719
the upkeep of the database and the website, so you're

818
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:57.079
not going to get rich holding an expedition. There's you know,

819
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:02.320
we try to keep it as scientific as possible. There's

820
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:07.800
no joking, no firearms, no pranking. We don't want people

821
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.760
to disclose where we're going. Afterwards. We encourage people to

822
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:16.039
go back out into the site. You know, that would

823
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:20.119
be my main concern. People that I hear on different

824
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.320
websites that you know it's just a way to make money,

825
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.679
and no, I spend way more than anything I ever

826
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:26.239
get from it.

827
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:29.760
Gotcha, the thing I hear over and over and I

828
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:33.599
haven't been on on myself, so I'm kind of outside

829
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:35.800
person looking in. But the thing I see over and

830
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:40.039
over is that everything is faked. That happens on those.

831
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:41.199
Oh definitely not.

832
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:44.960
No, okay, that's what I figured I would say. I

833
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:45.719
don't know, guys.

834
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:51.400
I mean, at the very least, renting the Jacklinks costume.

835
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:54.119
That thing's really expensive.

836
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:57.199
Right, Yeah, you'd have to really raise the price.

837
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:02.480
Yes, no, there's absolutely there's no faking. We don't plant

838
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:04.800
evidence and oh hey guys, let's go over here.

839
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:10.920
No, gotcha, that's that's good to hear. Have you ever

840
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:15.320
captured any interesting audio evidence yourself personally?

841
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.480
After once? They've been doing this since twenty twelve, so

842
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.960
after eleven years. Last year up in Minnesota, I caught

843
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:30.119
something which most likely as a howl. It doesn't match

844
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:33.599
up with any known again known critters. There's no, it's

845
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:36.920
not coyote. It doesn't match that wave, that sonogram, it

846
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:44.920
doesn't match you know, wolf or bear. Yeah, it just

847
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:50.119
the spectrogram. It looks like something very large, very big,

848
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:54.719
very deep chest did a whoop. You can see it

849
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.960
go up, comes down, and at the very end it

850
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.719
goes back up again, sort of like the Ohio howl.

851
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:07.960
Gotcha? That is really that's awesome. What are your you know,

852
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:13.599
being up in Wisconsin, do you have any feelings towards

853
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:18.159
non bigfoot cryptids.

854
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.800
Everybody talks about the dog man, right the Beast of

855
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.800
Bray Road, And coincidently enough, in the town I live in,

856
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.760
there's a Bray Street a block from me. It's like

857
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:33.920
one block long, and there's a beast that lives on it.

858
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:35.280
It's a heck of a dog. You go out for

859
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:37.519
a walk, it's kind of say hi to you. I

860
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:44.440
haven't encountered any other cryptids. I enjoy the stories. One

861
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.320
of my best friends sponsor to borrow my recording equipment

862
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.320
and go sit in cemeteries. My goodness, knock yourself out.

863
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:52.679
Yeah not for me, dude.

864
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:53.119
Yeah.

865
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.440
The whole dog man thing freaks me out. I'm like,

866
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.920
I really, I've gotten a few reports from Iowa, but

867
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.760
I'm like, man, I hope we don't have any of

868
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:03.920
those down here. But I know there is a guy

869
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:09.559
who contacted me in northwest Iowa. I'm sure everything weird

870
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:12.280
is over in southeast Iowa, so I'm sure there's something

871
00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:15.079
over there. Do you have any advice for people that

872
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:19.679
would be wanting to kind of get into the going

873
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.400
to look for a bigfoot thing. Any advice for people

874
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:23.519
just starting out.

875
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:28.440
Sure, there is a great book by Robert W. Morris.

876
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:33.239
Oh, Robert Morgan won, Yeah, that one. It's so good,

877
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:34.760
it really is.

878
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.639
Unfortunately, we were packing up to move and that book

879
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:41.440
got packed up and I don't happen to remember the

880
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.320
name of it right now, but it's fantastic. It tells

881
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.920
you how to do this, It tells you how to

882
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.360
set up a tent, how to select a campsite. The

883
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:55.239
best advice in the book act natural and be quiet,

884
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.719
whether you're at the campsite or you go out in

885
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:04.119
the woods. Just now be yourself. Don't blair music really loud,

886
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.719
don't do anything dumb like that. There's a lot of

887
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.519
great organizations that you can hook up with, or at

888
00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:17.760
least investigate yourself and check them out. You know. Besides

889
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.280
the BFRO, there's low Land Investigators, which is in Iowa.

890
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.960
I happen to think they're great because I work with them.

891
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:31.760
Right, I think that's the only non BFRO related organization

892
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:35.599
for bigfoot, right is Lowlands. That's all I could find.

893
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.400
There should be other ones in Iowa, Okay, I don't

894
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:42.440
know how active they are. There's other organizations in the

895
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.360
Midwest that are something that should be active. But again,

896
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:50.480
if you want to do this, spend some time studying

897
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.920
the subject and find it. You know, if you're comfortable

898
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:56.960
walking at night, do it without your head lamp on.

899
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.559
You should get used to being able to see in

900
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:02.280
the dark. After a few minutes, you know, your eyes

901
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:09.199
will just and just walk a dead end road again,

902
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.000
eyes open, mouth closed, and just listen, see what's around you.

903
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:21.559
Yeah, that's that's good advice. Definitely, I would say stick

904
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.400
to the roads. Yes, for at the beginning.

905
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:29.559
Yeah, I've seen people dive into uh, you know, six

906
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:33.199
foot tall brush thinking they saw you know, eye glow,

907
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:37.360
bigfoot and they run into this cover and you know,

908
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.039
for God's say, they were chasing the moon.

909
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:41.360
Oh yes, sure.

910
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.679
So again there's another piece of advice. When you go out,

911
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:47.280
make sure you know where like cell phone towers are,

912
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:52.840
if you're going to a spot, you know, headlamps from car, headlights,

913
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:55.760
tail lights. Just check it out and make sure that

914
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.360
you know your surroundings before you commit to going out

915
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:00.960
for three four hours at a time.

916
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.000
Yeah, this is not a thing where it's like you

917
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:04.960
decide to do it at nine and you go out

918
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.960
at ten, like you need to put stuff, you need

919
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.239
to put time into preparing for this and know, like,

920
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.000
are there snakes in the area I'm going to, Maybe

921
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:16.360
I need to be prepared for if a snake is there,

922
00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:18.800
like a poisonous snake. That's kind of a big deal

923
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:22.159
in Iowa in some parts. Yeah, definitely do your homework

924
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:26.280
and you have a buddy that helps out too. But yeah,

925
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.480
that's my advice to tag on anyways. But yeah, Bob,

926
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:34.280
this has been a really fun chat. There are a

927
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.920
few things I want to ask you afterwards if you

928
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.800
have a few extra minutes. But I just really thankful

929
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.480
for you for coming on the show and just sharing

930
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:47.559
some really solid information about the Midwest in Iowa when

931
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:49.519
it comes to Bigfoot, there's not a lot of people

932
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.400
to talk to, and I just appreciate you coming on.

933
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:56.360
Are there any ways that people can do you have

934
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.639
online presence at all, or ways people can contact you

935
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:02.320
or kind of in the shadows and like to live

936
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:02.719
that way.

937
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:09.920
I lurk in the darkness Lowlanders. That website you can

938
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:14.119
content me through there. If you have a report, you

939
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.800
can put it on the BFRO website for Iowa and

940
00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:20.360
request me to be the investigator. That's the best way

941
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:24.000
to do it too. Those two awesome. That's great.

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Well, thank you so much for coming on, Bob.

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Yeah, my pleasure. It was a blast.

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Just want to say thank you for listening to this

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episode of the Big Fist Society podcast. Bob's encounters are

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the kind that stay with you, not just because of

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what he saw, but because of what watched him back

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from the woods. It's a huge thanks to Bob Barheight

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for sharing his stories from Iowa, Wisconsin and beyond and

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reminding us that some parts of the Middle West are

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still wild in ways we can't explain. If you enjoyed

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this episode, please subscribe to the channel on YouTube, hit

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the bell icons you don't miss what's coming next, and

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share this one with a friend who's into bigfoot Iowa

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or just loves a good mystery about what's out there.

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So if you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify,

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and make sure you're following the show there, and if

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you leave a positive five star review, it really helps

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more folks discover these accounts. If you or someone you

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know has had a bigfoot encounter, especially in the Driftless

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area or around places like Yellow River Backbone State Park

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or Fayette County. I would love to hear about it.

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Please email me at Big for Society at gmail dot com.

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Thanks again for being part of the Big for Society.

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Until next time, trust your gut, stay curious, and never

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stop asking what else might be out there? And see

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you in the woods.