Aug. 25, 2026

Something Stayed Beside His Truck All Night on Oregon’s Bigfoot Highway!

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Season 1

Sam Chandler’s journey with the Sasquatch phenomenon stretches from a remote 5,000-acre property in Ontario, Canada, to the forests of Georgia and deep into the mountains of Oregon.


In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Sam shares decades of experiences that began when he was a child and continued into adulthood. He recalls unexplained footsteps around an isolated Canadian lake, violent impacts against a cabin, strange lights moving through the forest, unusual recordings captured at night, and a terrifying solo camping experience that changed his understanding of what might be happening around him.
Years later in western Georgia, the encounters continued. Sam describes changing tree structures, unseen footsteps following his family, three separate sets of footsteps closing in around him, wood knocks, activity around his home, and interactions that became increasingly personal.


After moving to Oregon, everything intensified.


Sam takes us into remote camps near Bend, Camp Broken Arrow along the Bigfoot Highway, and the forests surrounding Oakridge. He shares experiences involving massive individuals moving through the darkness, mysterious whistles beside his tent, apparent communication, strange vibrations, rocks thrown into camp, something racing past his vehicle in the middle of the night, and an approximately 16-inch footprint discovered near a spring during Sasquatch Summer Fest 2026.

Sam also shares some of his most extraordinary experiences involving what he calls the “Sasquatch people,” including encounters he believes involved direct communication and an Oregon experience in which three individuals—a male, female, and juvenile—were presented to him with remarkable clarity.


This is a journey spanning more than 40 years, multiple states, and two countries.


Listen through to the end. Sam’s experiences around Oakridge and Sasquatch Summerfest bring the story right into the present day.

Resources:

Sam’s Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@samchandler108

Sam Chandler on Flash of Beauty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTxZiaEuAo8

LOREGON Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/3800130430285018

Oregon Bigfoot Highway book: https://www.amazon.com/Oregon-Bigfoot-Highway-Joe-Beelart/dp/0692380817



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You're listening to Big the Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers

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as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates

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about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge

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link in the show notes. Thank you all right, Big

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the Society. You get the privilege of talking to Sam

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Chandler today from out there in Bend, Oregon. How are

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you doing today, Sam, I'm good, I'm good, awesome, awesome.

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Sam was just hanging out at the Squash Summerfest festival,

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saw you hanging out and I was like, who's the

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guy Who's I don't know this guy yet because I

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know most of the players out there and I was like,

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I gotta talk to this guy. So I talked to

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Priscilla and Jeff and they're like, oh, yeah, you totally

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should talk to Sam. He's good dude. So I'm glad

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we were able to get that connected, and thank you

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for coming on the show today. Sam. Of course, we

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were talking about beforehand how you kind of present yourself,

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and you were presenting yourself more as an experiencer of

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what is going on with this phenomenon. So I think

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we'll have a very interesting chat today. This will be

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one of those interviews where we'll be chatting back and

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forth potentially as we go along. Sam has experienced a

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lot of interesting things and a lot of different areas.

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And you may have already seen Sam on things such

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as a Flash of Beauty channel, which is a great channel.

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If you guys aren't subscribed yet, make sure you're subscribed.

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But anything else that the listeners would want to know

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about you, Sam, besides being out there in Bend organ.

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Uh No, I mean I think you pretty much nailed it.

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I I'm kind of behind more of a behind the

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scenes person, like I don't really I'm not out in

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the limelight, so to speak.

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So awesome. I totally get that. That's yeah, I enjoy

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that as well. But the podcast is kind of like

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it's it's it kind of goes against what I would

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more prefer to do, but yeah, it is what it is.

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But so, Sam, what was your first bigfoot experience? How

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far does this go back in your life?

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Well, all right, so I go back to nineteen eighty

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five was when this kind of started off for me.

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in northern Virginia and our neighbors at the time they

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had a cabin that the man of the house had

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a cabin that had been in his family since the

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early nineteen hundreds in Canada. They had purchased it after

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the land had been logged and so, you know, at

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that time it really wasn't worth much. So somebody went

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and a bunch of families went in and bought up

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like five thousand acres of the land that had been logged,

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and then over the years it had been sold down

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to uh, I think two families at this point, and

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all the trees and everything I'd grown back up, so

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it was you know, back to back to its forced

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its scale again. So they invited us back in nineteen

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eighty five, and I was eight years old at the time,

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and so the first year we went there, I don't

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remember much happening when it comes to like weird activities

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or forced people's stuff. Again, I was more focused on

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fishing and everything like that. The thing that happened and

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when I got back, and again my timelines, I don't

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remember if this happened before I went or if it

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was after I got back, and I tend to think

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it was after I got back. But I was in

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my bedroom one night, and I was in bed and

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the sun was you know, it was in the summer,

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you know, probably nine or whatever that night, and there

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was still plenty of light in the room for me

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to see. And I was laying in bed and I

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heard something or something got my attention, and when I

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opened my eyes up and looked over where my dresser

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was on the other side of my dresser looking over

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top of it was like a young sasquatch person's head

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kind of peeking over at me. And it scared me

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to death, of course, you know, because that's like your

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bedroom when you're a child is like your safe space, right,

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So when that and so anyways, it didn't do anything.

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It just looked at me and he made this gesture

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like he was laughing or smiling, but like no noise

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came out of his mouth. So he just did this

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like kind of gesture, and it just it freaked me

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out and I shut down, like everything that had to

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do with paranormal stuff, because as a kid, I had

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had some experiences with like you know, seeing ghosts and

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things like that, and I had had an interest in,

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say like Bigfoot and things like that. But that experience

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kind of just like it like flipped a switch in

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which I didn't want anything to do with that anymore. Right,

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I was just like I don't want like, no, no

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more of this, Like I'm done. And I think I

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carried that with me for a long time, not really

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not really knowing that I had done it. And but

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over those years, we continued to go to the cabin

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and I uh and and things would happen it just

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like it's a one of those places where there's a

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lot of high strangeness and a lot of weird things

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would just happen in the cabin. Outside of the cabin,

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like the cabin. I didn't know what was happening at

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the time, but in the middle of the night, you know,

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you used to be sleeping and like right in like

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the corner of the room behind my head from outside,

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you'd just hear this like loud like bang and I

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didn't now I know what it was. It was like,

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you know, them slapping the cabin and things like that.

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But at the time, you know, you'd be like, wow

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that it's just like a you' to chalk it up

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as like the cabin was settling, you know in the

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night when the air would get cold. But it was

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just such a violent, you know sound. We're to hear

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footsteps a lot.

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Uh.

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There was a lot of spirit activity in the cabin.

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And I can't necessarily say it was like Sasquatch people,

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but it was just one of those places that things happened,

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you know. It was just like.

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And this is this is somewhere in Canada you're saying, correct, Okay.

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Yeah, it's in Ontario, Canada, south of Algonquin Provincial Park.

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Oh yeah, I was. I was. I was like, I

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bet it's probably that area is I don't know what's

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with that area, dude.

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It's it is such an interesting area because so it's

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five thousand acres of private land that surrounds this lake, right,

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So we're the only people there, and all the land

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around it is either privately owned or it's provincial land.

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So I mean, like nobody lives there yet. Around there's

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a couple scattered cottages and cabins here and there, but

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I mean it's like thousands of acres of just the

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open land, well not you know, forested land, and it

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has like there's some spots in there, it just does

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not it's spooky and and I don't get spooked very easily,

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but there's just places like you'll walk into and I

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have experienced in the experience this in the Appalachian Mountains

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as well, like where you're just hiking, everything's fine, and

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then you just like take one step and it's almost

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like the energy in that area it just shifts to

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like you you're not welcome here type energy. You know. Yep,

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And there's lots of places like that. So Anyways, as

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I was growing up, I started getting more and more curious.

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It's like, what what is that? What is this? I

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had one morning in particular that I remember one of

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the guys that was with us. He was an older

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retired military guy. He got up early, went up to

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the cook house, started getting coffee going, and when everybody

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else got up and went up there, he was like,

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weird thing happened this morning. He was like, I walked

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up to the cookhouse and I heard and he said

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a man. He said, I heard a man turn around

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and start to walk back into the forest. And then

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he just was like, soon you're got anyways, what time

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do you guys want to go out fishing? And I

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was like, hold up, don't just change a sub like

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let's work, you know what I mean, Like, what are

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you talking about? So, you know, over the years, I

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slowly started trying to put things together, and then around

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twenty ten, I was down by the lake one night

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and it was a full moon. All the other guys

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were up at the cabin and they were just you know,

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drinking and having a good time. And I was down

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there on the lake fishing and I heard footsteps, like

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deliberate footsteps crunching through the leaves on the ridge to

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the north, and I mean it was just like crunch, crunch, crunch,

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like very deliberate, and it felt like they wanted me

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to hear them. That's just how I perceived it at

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the time, and that was like my my trigger to like, okay,

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something's going on here, Like there's.

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How could you tell you mentioned that there was a

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certain certain times in that cabin where you could tell

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it was more spirit activity rather than sasquatch related activity.

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I'm curious how you knew the difference there.

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Well. So at the time, I this is just for

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me looking back on it, it's just it didn't align

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with things that I've had happened since. So I kind

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of okay. But my dad, my dad's we TI marine,

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you know, he's you know, like a tough dude, and

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he now that he's retired and everything, we've discussed the things.

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He's had this ability to see spirits whole life and

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he never really told me about it until my older

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So while we would stay in the cabin, he would

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get visited by spirits at night, Like we would be

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sleeping in the same room in the cabin and he

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would get visited. So he's been visited by actual spirits.

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So that's kind of why I say that the activity

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that would happen in the cabin seem to be a

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little bit different than Outsider.

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Man. That is one wild area and it sounds like

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you have what ten plus years of activity at that

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one cabin location.

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Well before I started like acknowledging it. You know, it

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happened all through eighties and the nineties. I didn't really

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start acknowledging it until like two thousand and early two thousands,

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mid two thousands. So there's just a lot of like

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there's this one area up there that has this machinery

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sound that comes from it, and it's like at least

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once a day you'll hear it. It's in the northwest

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corner of the property. You'll hear this like what sounds

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like a tank tracks or like like bulldozer tracks, like

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like clin clink clink, clin clin clin clin kick cling noise,

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And it comes from this area. And I've heard it

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so many times over the years, and I will just

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like get up or I'll hear it. And there's a

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couple of times when I started really getting a little

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more brave, I just walked towards it and I was

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trying to figure out what it was, where it was

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coming from. And it was like either as soon as

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I started walking or I would get a little closer

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to where it's coming from, it would stop every time,

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and I never figured out what it was. After I

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heard the footsteps and started opening up to it more,

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I started doing more research and trying to figure out

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what was going on. And this was back you know,

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twenty and ten, eleven and twelve, Like the internet really

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wasn't that great. I mean, much better than it was

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in like the nineties, but you know, like back then,

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trying to find information on sasquatch and things like that

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was there was a couple forums, you know, and you

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really had to search. So I made it like a

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thing where I bought like an audio recorder and then

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I would just walk around the lake and try and

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explore the land a little more. And so what started

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happening when I was exploring more was I was coming

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across more areas that were just very unwelcoming. Well, yeah,

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so it sounded weird when I said that, And so

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like I would walk into an area and I would

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get and this is when I this is when I

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first remember ever getting like a telepathic or a mind

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speed message and I and I would get mesage that

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would say don't go in there or you know, like

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and a lot of these times they would they would

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happen when I would get close to like a thicket

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or like a clump or cluster of trees that were

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really thick and dance and dark and like you couldn't

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really see in there, and so as I would approach those,

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that's when I would hear stuff like that, or I

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would just be stopped where like I couldn't walk into it.

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And so sorry, something that remind me of something Henry

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Franzoni used to say. Are you saying then you would

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you would be physically stopped by something and you physically

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could not move your own legs any further.

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Yeah, that happened once, okay, but most of the time

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I would just heed the actual like don't go in

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there warning. Wow. So and actually that time I didn't

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go into it. I walked around it, and I ended

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up in like a totally different are. Okay, it's it's

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like a long story, but I was walking to this

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remote lake that was like over a ridge back where

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the beavers had MMed up this creek and made this

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lake back there. I always had cool animal sightings back there.

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So I was walking back there one day and I

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used to walk through this cluster of cedars, and that's

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when I got like that don't go in there message,

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and so I walked around it, but I walked southwest

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and I ended up on the northeast side of the

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lake somehow. I don't know how that happened, and I

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don't remember like having necessarily a loss of time. But

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when I got back to the boat and went back

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to the cab and my dad, I remember my dad

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asking like, where have you been, you know, and I

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was like, I just went for a walk. And I

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don't use like a watch or a clock or anything

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while I'm there because when we're there, we're just kind

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of like cut off from the rest of the world,

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so we don't really worry about, right, you know, what

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time it is and stuff like that.

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You know. I'm curious what your reaction was to first

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experiencing telepathy or mind speak based on when you had

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that visual as a child that really affected you. What

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was it like when you first started first started hearing

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the TILEPTI your mind speak.

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Honestly, it didn't it didn't strike me as weird and

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looking back on it, so I don't know, I don't

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really know, like it. It didn't. I don't remember ever

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being like where that voice come from or anything like that,

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you know what I mean. It just kind of felt

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and I've had it many times since then, so I

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don't know if it's just something that I've always felt

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natural with it, if that makes any sense. It just didn't.

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It didn't strike me as like, ah. I think I

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was more shocked by the idea that I shouldn't go

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into a place that I had been into a few

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times before.

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Interesting, okay, yeah, and so.

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Uh yeah. So anyways, over the years, you know, I

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explored that area, I got to know that land really well,

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and we would have weird things happen, and periodically. Those

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guys are very tight lip because they're all old retired

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military men, so they don't really discuss things, you know,

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and they're very reserved with what they talk about. But

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going out in the boat with them fishing and by themselves,

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I've gotten each of them to admit, you know, like,

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did you guys see those lights in the sky? Do

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you see those when you're here by yourselves? You know?

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And they'd be like yeah, because we would see like

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orbs and at the time we didn't know there were orbs,

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but there were like these bright white ball lights that

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would go through the woods. And this was you know,

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back in like the nineties and the eighties, flashlights were

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like more of like a yellowish, like a very dim

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kind of yellow. These were like a bright white light,

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and we didn't know what they were. But I would

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ask the guys about that, and they would say, like

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I've seen them, you know, And I'd be like, what

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are your thoughts, Like what do you think they are?

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And they'd be like, I don't know. And now that's

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pretty much like what you would get. So moving forward

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a few years, I set up my auto recorder out

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in front of the cabin, and I would get these

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recordings at night, like rhythmic tapping on the burn barrel

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which was a fifty gallon drum, whispering, shifting, lots of sticks,

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breaking alcohol like not normal alcohols, got a couple of

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whoops and things like that. That led me to believe

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that something was going on around the cabin all the

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time at night. So sometime around in twenty twelve October

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twenty twelve, I I was like I had it in

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my mind that I was like determined to go camp

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by myself, and go out there and figure out what's

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going on. So I brought out my camping gear. I

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went out to the back of the lake in this

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area that we had heard weird noises while we were fishing,

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and so I sat up my camp. I had a

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hammock that night, strung it out and I was out there,

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got settled in. I was listening to the wolves howl,

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and I was just like totally in the zone. I

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was loving it. It was just like a right great experience.

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And then I think I had dozed off. At one

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point I woke up to a tree falling behind my head.

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I mean not not like right behind my head, but

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within you know, I'd say like fifty feet or so

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behind my head, like enough to get my attention. And

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I woke up, and you know, my heart was like boom,

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boom boom, and I was like, ah, but I just

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had this feeling somebody was there, Like it wasn't like

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a because there wasn't really like a strong wind or

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anything that would have blown a tree over. And so

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I laid there trying to you know, I was going

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to see what was going on happen next, and I

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felt so I'm in a hammock and I'm facing like

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my heads facing the north, my feet are facing south,

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and on the top of my head like where my

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crown shrucker is, like right here on the top, I

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felt what felt like a finger pushing on the top

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of my head and uh, and I, you know, just frozen.

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I remember being like okay. And right after that happened,

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I got this like energy rushed through my body and

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it was like this wave of heat and cold and

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everything just came through my body down to my feet

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and then it came back out through my head. And

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when that happened, there was a message that said and

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it was like, you know, a mind speed message. It

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said get out of here. And I was determined to

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work through my fear, because I that was my main

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goal of going out there, was to just make, you know,

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work through whatever fear I had about being out in

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the woods by myself. And so I was like, nah, man,

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you're just freaking yourself out, and so I like, just

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stay put. So I stayed stayed there, and then happened again.

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Felt the pressure and then energy within my body a

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little bit stronger at that time, and then it came.

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Another message came and it said get out of here now.

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And I was like, no, man, you're just freaking yourself out.

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You're just you're going to get through this, you know.

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And so I laid there a little longer, and then

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I felt it again the third time, and this time

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when the energy came through, it came through it's really hard,

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like like you could feel like every molecule DNA level

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type thing in my body was just like rattled, like

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heat like hot, cold, electrical sensations like everything just like

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and it came through. And then the message this time

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said get out of here now or you're going to die.

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Wow.

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And and I was like that's when I was like, Okay,

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maybe I should take this a little more serious. But

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as I was thinking that, in the pouch of my hammock,

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I had this little two way radio and the other

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my dad had the other one in the cabin just

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in case there was an emergency, and that two way

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radio started going making all this crazy static noise. And

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that's what really freaked me out, because that's when it

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stopped being my imagination it's you know, or possibly my imaginations,

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and got real, you know. And so I was like, Okay,

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screw this, I'm out and so I got up, I

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grabbed the radio. I think I grabbed my bag, but

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I don't remember exactly, but I left the hammock there,

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I went to the boat, started the boat luckily it started,

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you know, and so got off shore and went down

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to started going back to the cabin. On the way

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back to the cabin, I remember sitting in the boat

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and it was an outboard motor and I was not

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like a John boat, and I was on the outboard

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motor and I was looking up because it was a

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nine to nine horsepower, so I had to go about

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a mile and a half. It took, you know, ten

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fifteen twenty minutes, however long it took. And I remember

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looking up at the sky and just seeing like the

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color of the sky was like this greenish color. And

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I think I had to do with the way the

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moon was reflecting off the water and kind of making

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it that color. But I knew that something was gonna

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come grab me out of the boat. I don't really

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know how to explain that, but that was the feeling

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I had the whole way there. And it was like

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the most vulnerable it ever felt, right, like it's nothing

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I can do. I have like this fifteen minute boat

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ride of just being out in the open in the

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middle of a lake. But I got back to the cabin,

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went up, got in my cot in my sleeping bag,

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and was just like I just passed out, you know.

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I think it was just the adrenaline and everything just

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like crashed. And so anyways, that's when I knew. That's

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when I knew for sure that there was just a

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lot more going on than I thought. And so things

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continue to happen. I went back to I was living

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in Georgia at this time, like just outside of Atlanta

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when that happened. So I went back to Georgia and

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started looking for places around there because I had heard

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that there had been stuff going on in Georgia, and

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so I started going out and I found a place

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man like, and I know, all this sounds weird and

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like it just it just seems like synchronistically things lined

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up in this way. I went to this place and

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found signs of them. I remember the first my wife

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and I went there. We walked, it was it was

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getting close to dusk, and we started walking to where

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the trail got dark, and uh, and my wife and

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I remember that I will always remember this. We stopped

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and we both looked at each other because it had

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like a feeling, you know, like it was like a

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breeze coming from it, but that breeze was like spooky.

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And uh, I remember looking at my wife and we

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looked each other and we were like, do you want

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to do this right now? And we were both like no,

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like because we knew we were going to be back

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there in the dark at some point, and it was

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a new area, you know what I mean. So I

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started going back there a lot during the daytime and

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I ride my mountain bike around and uh, I came

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across this one area. It was a few miles back.

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He crossed over some power lines and as soon as

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you were cross over the power lines and get back

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into this one area, it just like the energy just

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was completely different, like I've mentioned before, and it felt

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like almost thick and humid, but it was just like

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it didn't feel spooky to me. It just felt intense,

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like not a peaceful place. I mean, I don't mean

453
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.799
that as like dangerous, but just like it's intense, you

454
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:16.759
know what I mean. And so I put my I

455
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:19.119
remember putting my bike like laying it down, and I

456
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.119
walked around a little bit, got a feel for the area.

457
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:25.319
The trail there goes around and then it comes back

458
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.039
up a little bit, goes through some like big rock formations,

459
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:31.160
and then you come across the power lines again a

460
00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:33.200
little bit further up. And when I crossed back over

461
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.279
this powerline, energy changed again back to normal. And so

462
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:39.519
I knew that area was like a spot I was

463
00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:42.039
gonna come visit. And so I would go back to

464
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.759
that spot over and over and over again. And then

465
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:50.920
I started noticing the tree structures in that area, and

466
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:52.599
when I would go back, they would change, they would

467
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:54.160
add to them, there would be new ones, and it

468
00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:57.319
would kind of change. And so I just had this feeling. Oh,

469
00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.400
and I would hear occasional footsteps back there, but I

470
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:03.519
could never see you went back there. And so I

471
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:06.000
just started talking out loud because I just had this

472
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:09.839
feeling that somebody was whoever was doing the tree structures,

473
00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:14.480
was watching me, and so I would start talking to them.

474
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:17.359
And I was really enthusiastic about the tree structures because honestly,

475
00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:19.279
they were really cool. Like the way that they would

476
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:21.599
do things to me, I was like, humans can't do this.

477
00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:28.240
They would like somehow move trees through other trees. I

478
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:29.759
don't really know how to explain it. I wish I

479
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:31.880
had taken more pictures and videos back then, but I

480
00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:36.200
just didn't. And so I would just ask them like

481
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:37.519
that's how I talk to them, to be like, how

482
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.359
did you do this? This is amazing, this is crazy.

483
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:43.960
How you could bend this tree in this way, you know,

484
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.559
and make it, and so like I was just general,

485
00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.960
really enthusiastic, and I think that they liked that, and

486
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.680
so they would just continue to do it. And so

487
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:54.839
I brought my wife and my kids back there one

488
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:56.960
day on a hike. And my boys were real little then,

489
00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:00.440
like I think my youngest son was like two and

490
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.000
I was like five. But so we walked back there.

491
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:08.119
We get to that area as soon as we cross

492
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:10.000
those power lines back in that area, and my wife

493
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.440
was like, she was like, I don't like this place.

494
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.680
This place feels spooky. And I was like, okay, it's

495
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.000
not just me, you know, I'm not just imagining this.

496
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.119
This is this is real. And so I was like,

497
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.039
it's fine, I've been back here a bunch. Just walk

498
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:25.400
with me and we'll be okay. So as we're walking,

499
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:28.240
I was with one of my sons. My wife was

500
00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:29.799
my other son, and she was a little bit behind

501
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:33.519
me and we started hearing footsteps behind us again, and

502
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.680
so she was like, babe, stop for seconds.

503
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:36.240
I was like okay.

504
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:38.480
So she walked up and she was like, do you

505
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:40.799
hear those footsteps And I was like yeah, and she

506
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:42.559
was like, I can't see anybody. And I was like,

507
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.079
I don't see him either. I've heard him before. I

508
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.279
was like, let's just walk, it's not a big deal.

509
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.240
So anyways, we walked around around the loop that I

510
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:53.680
was talking about. We came to the other side of

511
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:56.200
the power lines, crossed over that energy went away. Everything

512
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.599
felt normal again. And she said, I don't like that place.

513
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:00.119
I don't want to go back there ever again. And

514
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:04.640
I was like, I totally get it. That's fine, and

515
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.359
so I kept going back there. And so one day

516
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.480
I went back there and I was in the middle

517
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.160
of the loop and I was talking to them about

518
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:19.319
the tree structures and everything. And so in the middle

519
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:21.279
of me talking to them asking them a question, I

520
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:24.759
heard footsteps coming like crunch, crunch, crunch in the leaves,

521
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:26.960
and so I look over and I was like looking

522
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.799
to see if I could see anybody but I couldn't

523
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.640
see anyone walking, and so as I'm looking this way,

524
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.880
this one, like another set behind me starts coming closer.

525
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:36.799
And I turned around to look at that one, and

526
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:41.359
as that one another like a third step footsteps starts

527
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:43.480
coming up. And so there was like three sets of

528
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:48.960
footsteps like triangulating around me, like a flanking formation, And

529
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:51.039
so I just stood there and like I was looking,

530
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.720
I didn't feel I don't remember feeling fearful. I just

531
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.759
remember feeling like curious, like what is going on? And

532
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.559
so they came close. I mean, like this is the

533
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.279
thing that I I I don't remember if I imagine

534
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:05.559
seeing the leaves being depressed as they stepped in or

535
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:09.880
if that really happened, because I was just so like

536
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.319
like what is going on? You know? And so they

537
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.799
got probably within ten feet of me, and uh, and

538
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:18.720
I just remember saying like hi or hello, because I

539
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.119
was nervous at that point, and I just said like hello,

540
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.640
And as soon as I said that, I just got

541
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.160
like enveloped. It was like the whole area or like

542
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:33.240
this giant bubble of love came over me and it

543
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.319
was so life changing and palpable, and it was just

544
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.240
like someone had put me in those like hamster wheels

545
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.799
from back in the day when hamster it was like that.

546
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:45.559
It was like someone put me in one of those.

547
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:52.480
But it was just love and and I remember specifically smiling.

548
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.480
It was like my body's reaction to it. I smiled

549
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.759
and cried at the same time, and it was just

550
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:03.519
like so blissful and you fork and I'm guessing it

551
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.799
happened for maybe thirty seconds or a minute, and as

552
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.359
quickly as it happened, it just stopped. And there was

553
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:14.599
another message that said you can go now, and I

554
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.319
was like, thank you, okay, And I never heard them

555
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.920
walk away. I just walked out to the trail and

556
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.000
I called my wife. And the first thing I did,

557
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.200
I called my wife and I was just like, you're

558
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.079
never gonna believe what just happened in that place. You

559
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.240
don't like, you know, And she was like, that's amazing.

560
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.920
She's very supportive of this, you know, she doesn't really

561
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:35.880
like to partake in some of it because she's had

562
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:40.400
some scary experiences herself, right, but she's very supportive. And

563
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:41.960
she was like, that's awesome, but I'm not I'm still

564
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:43.680
not going back to that place. And I was like

565
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:49.359
I get it, but yeah, that was that was the

566
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.480
year after my experience in Canada, and so it was

567
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.079
it was like two ends of the spectrum, right, It

568
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.400
was like extreme fear extreme love, right, So, and those

569
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.839
are the two spectrums of life in general. Right, you

570
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.960
get so, but.

571
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.599
If I can, if I can, I'm noticing something that

572
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:16.759
what you're sharing at the cabin in Canada. Beforehand, you

573
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:19.440
were actively trying to get over your fear, and it

574
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.799
sounds like you got over that. And then when you're

575
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:26.400
in outside of Atlanta somewhere because you had gone, because

576
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.319
you had gotten over that fear, then you're able to

577
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.519
start to have these experiences. So your your outlook is

578
00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:37.920
or maybe your intention and your frequency is completely different.

579
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.079
I don't know if you have any thoughts about that.

580
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.880
No, I totally agree. So my experience in Canada to

581
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.160
me was probably like the most scared I've ever been, Right,

582
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.960
that's like the most scared I could be. So I

583
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:54.359
learned my limit of where my fear is, and so

584
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.039
my experience has since then. I've had experiences that I

585
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:02.200
would say probably equally as fright, but I don't get

586
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.240
that sense of fear to where I can't function, you

587
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:08.799
know what I mean, So like I'm able to kind

588
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.759
of like keep my wit and sometimes there's things that

589
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.559
have happened when we're in our groups that I just

590
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.319
don't get scared at all anymore. It's just more of like,

591
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:20.680
and I'm not saying that to try and come across

592
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:22.359
like a tough guy or anything like that. It's just

593
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.680
I just feel really comfortable in some of these situations now.

594
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:29.039
And I and I going back to what you said,

595
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:30.400
I believe a lot of it has to do with

596
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.480
I know where my fear limit is, and I know

597
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.200
now like intuitively, when I get a message or get

598
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:39.119
a feeling of like we need to get out of here,

599
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:43.160
and it's it's more of like a respect thing, right,

600
00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:44.759
So like if I'm in an area and I get

601
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.880
that feeling, it's mostly because say there's a little one

602
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.000
around or something, and they're just like, hey, with all

603
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.759
due respect, you guys shouldn't be here right now because

604
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.440
we do have little ones around, And I'm like, and

605
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.960
that will come across as that feeling of like I

606
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.039
don't really know if it's necessarly dread, but it's just

607
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:02.960
like that, Okay, we should let's just get out of

608
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:04.440
here type feelings.

609
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:10.079
That's interesting. Do you feel that the same. Do you

610
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.200
refer to them as as bigfoot or force people. I

611
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.359
want to make sure I'm referring to them the right way.

612
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.440
I refer to them specifically as Sasquatch people, and then

613
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.119
force people are different to me because there's a lot

614
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:22.920
more in the force than just Sasquatch people.

615
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.839
That's very interesting. I guess that that is another question. Then,

616
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.440
so do you feel that these messages you've been getting

617
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.200
are are from the Sasquatch people then or from the

618
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:38.000
forest people.

619
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.839
I think there's been over the years re examining it all.

620
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:43.440
I think there's been a combination of both.

621
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:48.319
Okay, interesting, and I know some people have experienced where

622
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:51.759
over the years when they get messages it'll be from

623
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.720
the same individual and they start to have some sort

624
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:59.480
of connection and there's even a you know, what is

625
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:00.559
your name? My name?

626
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:00.880
Is this?

627
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.839
Is that something that is also happening or is it

628
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:04.720
a little different than that?

629
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:09.759
Yeah, that happened in twenty nineteen, Okay, and that was here,

630
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:10.799
that was here in Oregon.

631
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.920
Okay, so we'll get there, yeah, yeah, yeah.

632
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:18.319
Yeah, But going back to that place outside of Atlanta

633
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:20.920
that I was going to. It was it's as as

634
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.079
the driving out of Atlanta was about thirty minutes west

635
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:28.880
of Atlanta. So I will say this Western Georgia, eastern

636
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.440
Atlanta or Alabama just pretty much that whole area. I'll

637
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.640
just say this Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, like that whole region

638
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.880
extremely active and Western Georgia in particular, just from my

639
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.319
experiences and the people that I met in that area,

640
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:50.279
that whole area is just super active. And I mean like,

641
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:56.839
so I would continue to go back to that area

642
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:00.119
that I had that experience in and one day and

643
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:05.200
so I wish that I could bring people to this spot.

644
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:08.360
I did bring people back there once during a conference

645
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.679
in twenty nineteen, and we did like a little night hike,

646
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.239
but there was a storm coming and so we had

647
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.360
to kind of cut it short. But where we ended

648
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.760
our little night trek back into this area is where

649
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.199
I would go back into the further force, like where

650
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:28.360
the park technically ended, and it was unofficial trail systems

651
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.320
that the bikers used like cyclists and everything had made

652
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.960
and that's how you would get back to that area

653
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.320
that I was talking about. So those areas that I

654
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.079
was going to weren't really accessed by the public a lot,

655
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:41.239
and it was surrounded by a bunch of farmland to

656
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:46.480
like privately owned farmland. And so when you would go

657
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:48.880
back to there, there was one place in the trail

658
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:52.000
that would turn pretty sharp, like a ninety degree turn,

659
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.199
and right there at that corner there was a big

660
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:58.639
cluster of like a brier patch or just like this

661
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:04.119
big thorny, I mean like a huge bush, like a

662
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.360
big truck sized but like thing of briars, and it

663
00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.679
went back really far, like you couldn't see back in

664
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:12.599
there because it would get really dark. And every time

665
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.760
I would come to that corner, there was somebody there

666
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.599
behind those briars, like on the other side, back behind it,

667
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.199
and they would let me know they were there when

668
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.079
I would walk back, because they would like shuffle their

669
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.400
feet or something, and you would hear the dirt in

670
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:27.480
the gravel be like like move, and and I would

671
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:30.320
usually that would was where I would start my talking.

672
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.239
Was there, and I would talk to them, and and

673
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.280
I've always wondered who was back there. They would never

674
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:43.920
let me see them, never, But one day I walked

675
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.800
back there, and this was after that experience, I you know,

676
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.239
talk to them for a while. I walked back and

677
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.239
there there's so many, so many weird things would happen

678
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:55.880
when I would be back there. One and so I

679
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.280
walked down the trail and you would come past this

680
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:00.400
little creek before you would get to the power lines.

681
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:03.360
And one time I was walking back there, I walked

682
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:05.760
by the briar patch. I walk to the creek right

683
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.239
before you get to the power lines, and I heard

684
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.880
something and at the same time I heard sounded like

685
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:14.679
a teenager or something like a kid say like like

686
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.639
make some noise. This one of the trees over there

687
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.519
by the creek was like boom and started doing like this,

688
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:22.599
and I was like, I looked over and there was

689
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.719
nobody there, and I was like, what the hell was that,

690
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:29.280
you know? And there was a lot of teenager pranks,

691
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.400
so like young one pranks that would happen like that, right,

692
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:33.239
Like they would just do things to kind of get

693
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.320
a reaction out of you.

694
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:36.519
I guess you could say, oh sure.

695
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:40.719
And so anyways, I while I was walking back, this

696
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.119
is when I heard this this question in my head,

697
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.960
and it said, why do you want to know what

698
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:48.599
we are when you don't know what you are?

699
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:50.159
Oh my goodness.

700
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:53.519
And I was like, and it didn't hit me at first, right,

701
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:56.199
I was just like, I don't know, Like I was

702
00:36:56.239 --> 00:36:58.840
going there every day, right, I would leave work and

703
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.559
just go straight there. So I had become like this obsession,

704
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:03.880
and I think that they had kind of been like, dude,

705
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:10.280
what are you doing? Right? And so I remember walking

706
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:11.760
around and I walked back and I was like, I'm

707
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:14.239
gonna go back to my car, walking back to my car,

708
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:15.760
and that just it just hit me. It just really

709
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.960
sunk in, Like what am I doing. I'm just I'm

710
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.719
spending so much time in the woods trying to figure

711
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:22.679
out who they are when I don't even know who

712
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.559
I am. Like, I really don't like we as humans,

713
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:26.119
we don't know who we are. We still have like

714
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.199
a missing link, you know, and like our and it's

715
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.440
like the ultimate question, like what are we? You know?

716
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.719
And so I remember I stopped going there so much

717
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.400
because there was times where I would go there and

718
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.000
they would they wouldn't interact or do anything right, and

719
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.480
I would be back there, and then when I would

720
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.119
get to my car or walk out of the area,

721
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.199
I would hear would knock from that area, right, And

722
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:52.639
it was like it was either them saying like we

723
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:54.679
were here, but we don't want to interact right now,

724
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.519
or like he's gone, you guys can come back out right.

725
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.559
And so it wasn't every time I would go back

726
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:03.400
there they would interact me. There was times I would

727
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.320
back there and I would be were those rock formations

728
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.960
where I was talking about, and I could hear something

729
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:14.039
underneath my feet banging on the rocks. Wow, another weird

730
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.280
thing that would happen right there. But another thing I

731
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.679
didn't mention was so when I was back to that

732
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.880
one time and I felt that love, like that love energy,

733
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:27.199
this is something people say don't do and I understand that,

734
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.920
and I would say don't do this. But at the time,

735
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.039
after I had experienced that much love, I'd never felt

736
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.360
that much love in my mind. And I still I

737
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.639
stand by this. Anything that would have a malevolent or

738
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:45.960
evil intent would not be able to experience that amount

739
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.239
of love and still want to remain evil or malevolent,

740
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.000
because you would not want to lose your connection to

741
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.400
that love. That's been my chasing the dragon moment ever since.

742
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.960
I've been searching for that amount of love ever since.

743
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:07.159
So anything that would radiate that wouldn't want to lose that.

744
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.000
So at the time, I was like, oh my god,

745
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:13.440
you know, this is love. So I invited them back

746
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:17.840
to my house. And people say what they want about that, right, yeah,

747
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:21.360
soa and as a general statement, I will say I

748
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:25.079
probably wouldn't recommend it if you don't know how to

749
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.599
deal with it. Because I invited them back to my house,

750
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:30.800
they started coming to my house it was either that

751
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.840
night or the night after and tapping on the windows

752
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.760
of our second story bedroom and and that didn't freak

753
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.079
me out, freak my wife out, and I apologized to

754
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.039
her for this several times, you know, but they would

755
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:47.480
just like tap the window and they would do it

756
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.679
all the times of the night, off and on for

757
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:55.119
like months because we moved to Oregon probably a year

758
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.920
or two after that incident.

759
00:39:57.960 --> 00:39:58.480
Okay, So.

760
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.960
But as I was learning to navigate through this, I

761
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.679
opened myself up to other things that I shouldn't have,

762
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:08.599
you know what I mean.

763
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:11.239
Oh, I was like, this is this is going to

764
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:17.760
be is going to be really interesting because you probably did.

765
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.239
You start to see like orbs inside your house and stuff.

766
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.760
They were outside of our house in our backyard, and

767
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:29.840
things started happening in the house. So when I say

768
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.440
inviting things backs, not a general good idea, be very specific.

769
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.280
And this is what I've learned through the years of

770
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.440
of you be very specific and you set boundaries right

771
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:44.440
of what's acceptable, what you will allow, and and stick

772
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.760
with those boundaries because they're going to be very important

773
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:50.000
as you move through this. And it's not like the

774
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:55.119
Sasquatch people are malevolent in that way. But if they

775
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:57.519
don't have an idea of where your limit is, of

776
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.719
where they're going to push too far right, they will

777
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:02.880
they will go there. And it's not them being mean.

778
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.199
Sometimes it's the teenagers or the young ones just being

779
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.840
a little bit mischievous.

780
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:11.480
Or rest Absolutely so, did you was it as simple

781
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.039
as you were like, Hey, I want you guys to

782
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.159
start and blah blah blah, you know, or I.

783
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.360
Just invited into my house, you know? I was like

784
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.599
out loud, yep, yep, because in my mind, I was like, well,

785
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:28.400
I'm going to their area, it seems like and and

786
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.440
if I'm in their actual spot, right, because I would

787
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:33.840
see tree structures which I didn't touch on, they would

788
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.199
make these giant exes right. And I don't know how

789
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.400
people interpreted exes. They could like some people say they

790
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:41.880
mean keep out, some people they say they mean like

791
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.920
welcome or friends welcome, something like that, regardless of how

792
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.840
you interpret it. I was in those areas walking around

793
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:51.559
talking to them, right. So to me, I was like,

794
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.360
it's not fair for me to do this in their

795
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.840
spot and not offer them to come interact.

796
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.039
With us in our spot. Yeah.

797
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.920
So again this is just my mentality on these things.

798
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.400
And I if you're not prepared for that to happen,

799
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.360
like actually prepared, then I wouldn't recommend doing that. Yeah,

800
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.079
but it got it got interesting, it got fun, and

801
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:19.119
it would get spooky, like I got spooked a couple

802
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.119
of times. I won't lie about that, and and it

803
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.360
was mostly because I did not know to set limits

804
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.039
and so but I will tell this one story just

805
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:31.880
to give people an idea of what it can be like.

806
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:36.159
So on on my wife, So the way I bed

807
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.440
was set up, my wife's side of the bed was

808
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.920
face this wall. The window faced the forest, and we

809
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.519
had we were in a subdivision. Another thing that I

810
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:48.480
want to touch you. We were in a subdivision, like

811
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:51.280
in suburban Atlanta, and they were coming to our house.

812
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:53.400
We were the last house on a cul de sac

813
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.760
and there was there was forest behind us, but so

814
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.960
they would usually come to that window tap on the window,

815
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.599
and my window faced the backyard, which was fencedance, so

816
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.679
it's not as easy to access. So we had this

817
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.679
neighbor that lived across the street that had this dog.

818
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:11.119
They would tie up to the tree and the dog

819
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.719
would bark a lot. And so this one day, I

820
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.400
rolled my trash cans down our driveway to the street

821
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.559
and that dog started barking, and it's just a really

822
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:21.119
it's one of those dogs that just barked for like

823
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:23.559
an hour after you got it going. And I remember

824
00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:25.440
going in the house and I said, we got to

825
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:28.360
do something about this dog, because it's just really inconsiderate

826
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.280
for everyone in the neighborhood for these people to do this,

827
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:34.280
and it's in considered for the dog too. So my

828
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.280
wife and I were like, well, should be calling animal control,

829
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:37.400
and I was like, get out, let's call it in

830
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:39.679
the morning. Let's just go to sleep, and so we

831
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.239
went to sleep, and so that night I woke up

832
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:45.079
to somebody tapping on the window on my side of

833
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:49.199
the bed, which didn't usually happen. So I remember thinking like, oh,

834
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.800
this is different, something's going on. I should I go

835
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:54.679
outside or should I wait here and see what happens?

836
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:56.239
So I just decided to lay there and wait and

837
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:59.840
see what happened next. And a couple of minutes later

838
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:03.719
I heard like a tree breaking, like crack and fall over,

839
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.920
which what happened occasionally in the woods behind our house.

840
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.639
So I didn't really think a whole lot about it.

841
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.519
I just remember thinking more like, that's exciting that they

842
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:14.360
tapped on my window this time, so they're in the

843
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:18.400
backyard now. And I fell asleep. I woke up the

844
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.519
next morning. I go out to my car. I started,

845
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:23.800
I'd totally forgotten about all of this. I started driving

846
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:27.800
on the driveway and in the driveway were my trash cans,

847
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:32.360
and they were moved into my driveway facing the other direction,

848
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:35.679
so like the handles were facing away from me. And

849
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:40.239
I remember being like, oh haha, guys, you know, because

850
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.400
that's the type of joke so'll do, Like the whoever

851
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.599
will come by the house. They would do little pranks

852
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.119
like move things around and stuff. And I was like,

853
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:48.679
oh ha ha, guys, you know you got me. And

854
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:50.320
so I got I got out of the car and

855
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.000
I moved the trash cans back down. And when I

856
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:54.480
put the trash cans back on the street and I

857
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.159
looked up at my neighbor's house, the tree that the

858
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.400
dog was always tied to was broken, pushed over, and

859
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.039
the dog was tied up to their front porch and

860
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:08.480
that dog was never outside again. And so it's just

861
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:13.199
one of those things that like, you can extrapolate that

862
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.880
all day, right, like, how did they were they listening

863
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:18.480
to us? You know, how did they know how to

864
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:21.519
do that? But that's the type of thing that happened

865
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.320
after they started coming to our house.

866
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:27.559
That that is, man, that lines up with a lot

867
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:32.239
of other things I've heard in other experiencer accounts. So

868
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:37.440
you weres you're saying then, But it did also open

869
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:41.800
it up to other things coming inside besides me, and

870
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:43.719
I don't want to If this is stuff where you're

871
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.719
not wanting to talk about, do not worry about it,

872
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:46.639
and we can build right now.

873
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.159
It's important, right, especially if I'm going to sit here

874
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:53.599
and tell tell people to open up to them, not

875
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.639
be scared of them, right. I Also it's responsible enough.

876
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.000
It's responsible for me to tell people to be careful.

877
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.039
There's other things out there, And I don't mean that

878
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.400
to scare people. I just mean, like, you know how

879
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:12.519
like in vampire movies, like vampires can't do anything to

880
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.800
you unless you invite them in your house type of stuff.

881
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:18.519
It's on that level. Right, You're a sovereign being, You

882
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.360
have free will. They cannot interfere with your free will

883
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.639
unless you give them permission to. They cannot enter you

884
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:28.360
or your domicile unless you give them permission to. So

885
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.159
you hold all the cards in this right, you're the

886
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:36.840
power player. But you have to know these beforehand, which

887
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.840
I didn't at the time. And so when I say

888
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:44.880
you invite things in, you need to set an idea

889
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.280
of like what you want to come in. So, like

890
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.480
like I always set when I go camp, I set

891
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.719
a protection around my area, around my tent, and I say, like,

892
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:57.320
you know, only things of a loving heart, entities of

893
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:59.440
a loving heart, beings of a loving heart may enter

894
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:03.840
this sacred space. Anything with malevolence or ill intent may

895
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.960
not enter this, you know. So, like that's what I

896
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.559
mean by it happens on that sort of a level.

897
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:13.079
Just setting intentions like that and sticking to them, it's

898
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:18.480
super important. So I say this because one night I

899
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.880
opened up myself to anyone who wanted to come into

900
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:26.119
my dream state and come visit me. And I was

901
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:31.239
that night visited by an entity that was not there

902
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:36.239
for good. And so I won't get into that scenario,

903
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.719
but it was my It was my experience that let

904
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:41.880
me know, like, Okay, I can't let myself be open

905
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:46.719
to just anything, right, Like you have to set and

906
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:51.039
so being respectful, having reverence for an area and for

907
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:55.440
the beings in that area, having a loving mindset, it

908
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.280
kind of sets the precedents for anything that would want

909
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:03.760
to say, like do harm to you. It like automatically

910
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.079
they're like, oh, this guy's he knows like, I'm not

911
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.000
gonna be able to trick him, because what they'll do

912
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.639
is they'll they can do things to trick you into

913
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.360
giving away your sovereignty or to giving away and opening

914
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.960
up to it. I don't know if that makes sense

915
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:20.519
to know it it does. It's a very subtle and

916
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:25.280
nuanced thing, and like and so two of the things

917
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.000
that I've noticed, the two biggest things are fear and

918
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.519
ego that leave people open to that manipulation.

919
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:36.840
So yeah, absolutely, I agree with you absolutely on that

920
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:41.639
it's there are things in this world that are evil

921
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.199
and they will try to trick you and cause your downfall,

922
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.280
and yeah, absolute, Yeah.

923
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.320
And ego is a big one because people that want

924
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:53.440
to be like the guy you know, or be like

925
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:57.519
the person, they leave themselves open and vulnerable to information

926
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.079
because they want to have that right, and so something

927
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.320
will come to them and be like, oh, I'll tell

928
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:05.639
you whatever you want to hear, and then you'll let

929
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:09.079
me in. You know. I think that there's a there's

930
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.239
just a lot of subtle nuance to all this stuff

931
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:19.039
that that people need to be careful of. So, yeah,

932
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:20.880
I forgot what I was talking about before.

933
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.199
I think that's that's that is a very good reminder

934
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.760
for people that this is not a this is not

935
00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:31.400
just this stuff you hear on podcasts is not just

936
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.599
a game. There's you got to be careful what you do, guys,

937
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.639
and and what you put your trust in, whether that

938
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:45.840
be you know, religious, religious things, or anything else. So

939
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:49.159
it sounds like, so at this time, we're about twenty eighteen,

940
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:53.039
and then twenty nineteen is when you guys move out

941
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:54.320
to Oregon. Is that right?

942
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:56.760
Twenty seventeen.

943
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.119
Yeah, it sounds like once you get out there, it

944
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.159
kind of things got even more intense.

945
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:13.519
Yeah, yeah, it jumped up a level. Yeah, and so oh,

946
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.519
I totally Yeah. So in the process of learning all

947
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:20.679
my stuff in Georgia, I actually met a group and

948
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:27.960
that was Keith beard In and Arlo Collette Williams started. Yeah,

949
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:31.360
so they started doing like campouts. Keith was having experiences

950
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.360
in the area and so they started doing campouts. They

951
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:37.519
found a spot where they had seen signs, and so

952
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:40.679
they started doing these like campouts. And so I got

953
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.119
Keith's book. I reached out to Keith and I was like,

954
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.079
one of the spots he mentioned in his book was

955
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.360
a place that I was having experiences. Because there's a

956
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.719
ton of stuff, I didn't even mention yet that I

957
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.679
had experiences in Georgia, and you know, for the sake

958
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.559
of time, I won't get into all those. But I

959
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.800
had reached out to Keith because, like I said, a

960
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.079
spot he had experience I had too, and I was like,

961
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:02.440
I want to talk to you about this, and he

962
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:03.840
was like, well, we're having a camp out. Why don't

963
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.239
you come to the camp out. So I went to

964
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:09.000
the camp out and met everybody, and this was in

965
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:10.960
a place that we had some of the most amazing

966
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:14.639
experiences at and it was a place we would see

967
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.480
eyeshine a lot. They would come into camp, they would

968
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.480
come sit right behind us when we were by the fire.

969
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:25.039
It was just one of those places that it was

970
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:30.800
a state park and the gates would close at night,

971
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.000
but they would allow us to have campouts there. And

972
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:36.199
so it got to the point where the rangers were

973
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:40.599
so happy that we were there researching in the area

974
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:43.480
or experiencing them because they knew the Sasquatch people were

975
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:45.480
there and they didn't have anyone else to talk to

976
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.119
about it. So they came to us, and eventually we

977
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:49.920
became friends with them, and they gave us the code

978
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.599
to the gate so we could go back there at night.

979
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.920
And so me and Ginger Lockwood and Paul Lockwood, her husband,

980
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:00.440
and sometimes Keith, we would go back there all the

981
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.960
time because we only lived like twenty minutes away, you know,

982
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:08.800
and I had some amazing experiences. But so I had

983
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:13.719
that up until you know, twenty seventeen, and then we

984
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:16.440
moved out here to Oregon in twenty seventeen and to Bend.

985
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.440
And I came out to Oregon in two thousand and one,

986
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.320
and I've been wanting to move out here ever since,

987
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.599
and it just took like fifteen years, you know, to

988
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:28.960
get everything lined up right. Sure, and so we moved

989
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:34.800
out here and again synchronistically. I know this sounds out there,

990
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:36.400
but this is just how things have happened, and I

991
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:41.480
have to be truthful about how they happen. This was May.

992
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.119
We moved out here in April, and so early May.

993
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.199
We're still a little naive about the weather here, right

994
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:49.880
because we're used to the East Coast, you know, and

995
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.679
so in May, like it's not warm here yet, it's

996
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.639
still cool, especially when you get in the mountains, right

997
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:57.519
there's still a ton of snow. So we're like, let's

998
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:00.480
go camp a right cool. So we get up, you know,

999
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.679
get our things together, get the kids. I found a

1000
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:05.679
place on Google Maps that I wanted to check out.

1001
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.599
So on the way up there, the road was still

1002
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:13.119
closed because they hadn't plowed from that area for like

1003
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.360
fifty miles. You still have to plow it out in

1004
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.199
late June, and so I was like, oh crap, So

1005
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.280
we go back. Found a forest road. We go up

1006
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.519
the forest road as far as we've can a few miles,

1007
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:25.800
as close as I can get to where I wanted

1008
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.239
to go, but then there was snow, and I was

1009
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.800
like shit, so we stopped. Sorry, I don't mean the

1010
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:31.239
cut side.

1011
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:35.400
Oh you're good, I'll take care of it, okay.

1012
00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.320
So I found a spot. I was like, let's just

1013
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:40.280
let's just park up here, like well, camp here for

1014
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:43.840
the night. It's a great spot, and so we set up,

1015
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.079
get a fire going, we walk around and explore. It's

1016
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:50.559
just amazing, Like there was just snow patches everywhere, but

1017
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.320
the lakes were thawing out and there was like frogs

1018
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:55.079
and it was just such a cool experience. My kids

1019
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:58.400
were excited, you know, they were like eight and five

1020
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.960
at the time. So we're sitting there by the fire

1021
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.239
and it's sun starts going down and it starts getting cold,

1022
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.360
like way colder than we thought it was going to be.

1023
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.320
We're a few thousand feet up higher than where we

1024
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.400
are here, and Ben probably like five six thousand foot

1025
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:17.239
at that point. And so we had that talk my

1026
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:18.639
wife and I was like, I don't know, man, it

1027
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.280
might be too cold for us like her and I

1028
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.199
would have been fine, but I think the kids might

1029
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:24.440
have been a little cold, and I didn't want to

1030
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:27.000
subject them to that. So I was like, why don't

1031
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:28.960
we Why don't we just call it a night, go home,

1032
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.519
and then we'll come back and we're a little better prepared.

1033
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.079
And she was like, Okay, that's a good idea. So

1034
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:37.280
it i'd gotten dark at that point, and so I

1035
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:39.440
was like, all right, I'm going to go start warming

1036
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.000
of the foreigner and we'll start packing up everything. So

1037
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.519
I go back to the foreigner and she's walking behind me,

1038
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.840
my wife, and I walk around my side of the

1039
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:51.039
car was facing the woods on the other side of

1040
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:55.000
the forest road, and so as I'm walking around my

1041
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:57.880
side to the driver's door, I walk up to it

1042
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:02.920
and to like, very very large individuals come rushing through

1043
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.599
the woods towards me and they just you know, it

1044
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:09.800
was just like see like like stops breaking and uh.

1045
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.840
And I was like I laugh at this part. I

1046
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:16.920
stopped and I look over and it's you know, it's dark.

1047
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.000
I can't see anything right there, but there's just two

1048
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.079
individuals standing there and I feel them and my wife

1049
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:26.239
stands up over the top of my foreigner. She goes,

1050
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.960
did you hear that? And I'm like, yeah, I heard that.

1051
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:34.119
They're right here, you know. And so I was like okay,

1052
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.639
really even thank you for allowing us to stay here,

1053
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.639
and like we're gonna leave, and you know, appreciate it.

1054
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:43.440
And that was just my That's how I deal with things.

1055
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.360
I just talk out loud to them, right, and I

1056
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.840
feel like it. It's just well received when I do that.

1057
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.280
So they stayed there and kind of like kept an

1058
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:54.920
eye on us, and again I didn't see them because

1059
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:59.239
it was too dark, but as we're loading up and

1060
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.760
we just left, and so again that was my like,

1061
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:03.679
this is my spot, I'm going back there, And so

1062
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:10.000
I would go back there, and jumping forward a few years,

1063
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.119
like I had been going there. I would go there

1064
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:14.199
late at night by myself. I would just try and

1065
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:18.920
figure out like who was there, and eventually they would

1066
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.760
always do things to let me know they were there.

1067
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:23.239
And they would like you know, break sticks or you know,

1068
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.960
like make noises and do things to let me know

1069
00:56:25.960 --> 00:56:31.960
they were there. And then in twenty twenty, they showed

1070
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.320
themselves to me. But that's jumping forward, and it was

1071
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:38.480
in like an interesting way where they like they sent

1072
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:41.039
me these like images of themselves while I was camping

1073
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:46.039
there by myself. Oh wow, like a psychic like a

1074
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:50.199
visual image yeah. But and that's a slippery slow to

1075
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:51.800
talk about, right, because a lot of people say, like, oh,

1076
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.079
that's just your imagination. But I had I had just

1077
00:56:55.159 --> 00:57:00.599
laid down to go to sleep, and I just closed

1078
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:02.920
my eyes and I closed my eyes and then there

1079
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:05.719
was just his face. The male's face was just right there,

1080
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:10.599
and it was crystal clear, clearer than any thing my

1081
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:12.760
eyes could do. I could see like every detail of

1082
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.480
his hair, of his facial features, and it just was

1083
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:20.320
like embedded in my memory. And it was like it bypassed,

1084
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.559
you know, like your visual cortex and all that stuff

1085
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:25.639
of your brain, and it was just like there. And

1086
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:27.199
I don't really know how to explain it, but I've

1087
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.480
since spoken to people who have experiences too, So that

1088
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:35.199
was very reassuring, you know, to me that like I

1089
00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:40.400
wasn't imagining it. So I saw him and he had

1090
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:44.639
like black hair, it was kind of I don't know,

1091
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:47.320
two inches long maybe, and it just like laid back,

1092
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:52.199
I mean, rather handsome looking face, like a like a

1093
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:57.840
primitive man type look, kind of cheekbones, very flat nose,

1094
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.559
but not like a super flat like he had this

1095
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.840
little bump on the tip of his nose. That was cool,

1096
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:06.480
but he had like kind of like an a Lincoln

1097
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:10.880
style beard, like no mustache, but his skin was like

1098
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:15.559
a dry, ashy kind of color, so it in contrast

1099
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.079
with his hair that was black, it made it look

1100
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:24.639
like a purplish, navy blue gray kind of color. And

1101
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:29.159
then so I saw his face and then it transferred

1102
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:32.719
to like a female sasquatch space, and she had brown

1103
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:38.320
hair and Caucasian colored skin like, and she was very pretty.

1104
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:40.639
And that caught me off guard. And so this is

1105
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:43.599
one of those things where it's like, in order for

1106
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:47.800
your brain and your hippocampus to make images, it usually

1107
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:50.159
takes references for things that you experienced and kind of

1108
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:52.559
puts the puzzle pieces together from what you're seeing to

1109
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:56.039
create an image in your brain. The thing that got

1110
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.960
me on this was like it caught me off guard, right,

1111
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.719
it wasn't something that I had ever really imagined happening.

1112
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.239
Was how pretty she was. She had a very pretty

1113
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:08.599
human looking face, and I remember being struck by that.

1114
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:13.400
And anyways, so she looked at me and she was

1115
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.960
very peaceful. He was stern, but peaceful. She was just

1116
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:21.119
very welcoming and peaceful. And then it transferred to a

1117
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:26.719
little one and he was black hair, Caucasian, light skin

1118
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:32.239
color face, but his head was shaped like like and

1119
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:34.119
I don't mean it's disrespectful at all, it's just the

1120
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:36.519
best way I can describe it to people like Stewie

1121
00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:39.880
from Family Guy, right, kind of like a like a

1122
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:44.760
like a football almost not that drastic, yeah, yeah, not

1123
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:47.920
that drastic, but that's the shape. And I remember like

1124
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.559
being like, oh wow, that's an interesting, you know shape.

1125
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.559
And he was very again, like very peaceful and pleasant.

1126
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.639
And so that's how I got introduced to that group.

1127
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.280
And people can say whatever they want about that interroduction,

1128
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:02.400
but I found that I feel that that's how the

1129
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.360
Sasquatch people like to present themselves, more so than being

1130
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.039
out in the open and presenting themselves in a physical

1131
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:12.960
state because it leaves them vulnerable. And so.

1132
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:20.320
That's fascinating. Anyways, I have a question about that real quick.

1133
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:28.400
So you at that point, we're not meditating. It was

1134
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.719
you had laid down, closed eyes and happened right away.

1135
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:36.320
Are you also an individual though, that does meditation as

1136
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.920
part of these interactions.

1137
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.599
I've tried, I've experimented with it. I'm just not very

1138
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:47.559
good at meditation. It's just not something I'm I'm just curious. Yeah, yeah,

1139
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:51.199
I have I have moments and and I don't want

1140
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:52.719
to force it, you know what I mean, Like I

1141
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:54.800
don't want to go into an area and force the meditation.

1142
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:57.000
But there are times where I'll be like in an

1143
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:58.880
area and I'll be very relaxed and I will actually

1144
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:03.360
just go into a state of meditation because I do

1145
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:05.800
a lot. I spend a lot of time in the woods. Uh,

1146
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.480
And so that's like my place where I go and

1147
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:11.840
unwind and ground and if I'm having issues, I'll just

1148
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:18.400
go and drum or just sit and absorb and let things,

1149
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:22.199
you know, leave. And I've had things happen in those

1150
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:26.199
types of states where they'll they've let me know that

1151
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:28.760
they've been around or while I'm there doing that type

1152
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.480
of stuff. So I will say that I think meditation

1153
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:36.320
does help. I'm just not I'm not a pro at it.

1154
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:39.880
By any interesting So after you have like these visions

1155
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:44.000
come to your to your mind, to your vision of

1156
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:48.960
the three different individuals, how does that affect things interaction

1157
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:53.880
wise or just with yourself in general? After having that experience.

1158
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.960
So that group I I have this like connection with,

1159
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:04.800
now that area actually has like random people coming up

1160
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:08.320
occasionally because it's kind of remote, but it's just close

1161
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.519
enough that sometimes people will go back there and party,

1162
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:13.960
you know, and so they'll leave like these messes. And

1163
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:16.519
part of my agreement with that group is like, hey,

1164
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:17.840
just let me know when I need to come up

1165
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.039
there pick up trash.

1166
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:20.639
I'm glad.

1167
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:23.400
And so I go up there a lot pick up trash.

1168
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:27.280
So that that instance in Oregon with that family showing

1169
01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:30.800
me themselves in that fashion was a new thing for me.

1170
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:35.880
That wasn't that was like, it was a very interesting

1171
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:42.920
experience for me. But so going back a little bit,

1172
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:48.360
I started when I started experiencing that group, I found

1173
01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:50.679
another area and it kind of in the same way

1174
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:57.199
that the Georgia stuff unfolded, started having experiences nothing crazy.

1175
01:02:57.239 --> 01:03:02.679
And so there was a conference in twenty nineteen in

1176
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:07.320
n Themclaw, Washington, Tom Pintreller, and so I was like, oh,

1177
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.519
I'm gonna go up there and see some friends because

1178
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.920
Arlen Keith were going up there, and so I was like,

1179
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:13.159
I'll go up there. So I went up to the

1180
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:18.079
conference and at this point I was not like, I

1181
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:20.440
say I'm a background person. Now I was really a

1182
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:24.400
background person. Then I was not really into opening up

1183
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:29.639
about the stuff. I was very reserved and there is

1184
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:35.119
like a period of imposter syndrome that I experienced, you know,

1185
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:41.639
coming into this. So at that conference, I was sitting

1186
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:45.719
with Keith, and the first night at the conference, they

1187
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:47.719
were like, anyone who wants to come up and talk

1188
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:49.920
about their experiences, you know, please come on up. And

1189
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:51.800
Keith was like, you should go up there and tell

1190
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:53.400
some of your stories, because you've got some great stuff.

1191
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:54.679
And I was like, I'm just not ready to talk

1192
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:57.719
about this stuff yet. And so that night I was

1193
01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:01.320
camping by myself and I went to camp and I

1194
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.760
remember I was sitting by the I was sitting by

1195
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:05.760
my campfire and I was reading I had just bought

1196
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:08.679
Ron Morehead's Quantum Bigfoot, I think that was the name

1197
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:11.440
of it. And I I was reading that book by

1198
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:13.840
the fire, and as I was reading it, I heard

1199
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:15.920
I was the only person in the campsite this night.

1200
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.800
I heard a voice in my head say you must

1201
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:26.960
speak of this. And as that happened, this weird thing

1202
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.400
happened with my brain or my mind, where like all

1203
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:33.920
my experience has kind of like filed themselves away in

1204
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:36.719
a neat fashion. I don't know I explain that part.

1205
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:40.000
Some people might understand what I'm saying. But it was

1206
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.599
almost as if all of the jumbled information that I

1207
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.639
had been acquiring over the years filed it away neatly,

1208
01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:49.880
and I just understood that, like it's really important for

1209
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:54.400
us to discuss this stuff. And so that message really

1210
01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:57.159
sank in with me again. And that's when I stepped

1211
01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:06.320
out and started talking about things and wow, and so yeah, okay, yeah,

1212
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:08.000
so let's just dive into this part because this is

1213
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:11.000
where it was weird before. This is really where it started.

1214
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:15.800
This is like where where wow. Okay, yeah, yeah, go

1215
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:16.159
for it.

1216
01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:18.599
Man, We'll just jump into this because this is where

1217
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:23.440
it really ramped up. So after that and I started

1218
01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:28.320
speaking about things coming onto the public eye a little

1219
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:34.320
bit more, I started getting these like again messages or downloads,

1220
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:40.199
and it it I don't really know how to explain

1221
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:44.360
this part. It words are hard to use, Like there's

1222
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:47.360
not really words in the English language that can explain

1223
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:50.880
some of this stuff adequately. I started getting these messages

1224
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:56.239
is that was coming from someone through a particular individual,

1225
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.599
But it was as if a group of people were

1226
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:04.239
talking to me and the messages were coming through one person.

1227
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:05.760
I don't know if that makes any sense. It's like

1228
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.039
a group kind of discusses something and then they're like,

1229
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:09.760
all right, tell them this, And then that person was

1230
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:13.320
telling this, but it was embedded in the message was

1231
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:15.559
the understanding that it was a group. So I was

1232
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.400
working with a group of people and I know this

1233
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:19.440
sounds crazy.

1234
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:21.639
But I have to do it, doesn't It doesn't.

1235
01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:23.679
I have to be honest about the stuff, right, because

1236
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:27.599
it's important. And so I reached out to Arla eventually

1237
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:33.559
because she's been she's been like my my guidance through

1238
01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:36.519
a lot of this stuff. And I was like, I'm

1239
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.480
going to run this past. You tell me what you think.

1240
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.719
And Arla is very interesting because she doesn't really answer

1241
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.159
you outright. She will give you a question or say

1242
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:48.760
something to make you think about it, right. And I

1243
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:51.400
find that the Sasquatch people do the same thing. They're

1244
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.000
not going to tell you about right, but they might

1245
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.000
do something to make you think about it. So she

1246
01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.039
would ask me these series of questions, and the questions

1247
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:01.159
kept leading me up. And I'm remember telling her a

1248
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:02.920
long time ago when we were in Georgia that like,

1249
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:07.719
for whatever reason, I looked forward to having a Sasquatch teacher,

1250
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:10.760
or like an interaction up close with one, the same

1251
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.639
way that like a little girl might think of her

1252
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.159
wedding day, you know what I mean, Like I would

1253
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.199
daydream about having this experience where I would meet a

1254
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:20.159
Sasquatch person and be able to communicate with them. I

1255
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:24.000
still and I remember saying that as a joke one day.

1256
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:29.519
So anyways, so I was bouncing stuff off her about

1257
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.400
what I was experiencing, and it was like these energy

1258
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:34.719
things were coming into me, and I was like, I

1259
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:36.599
don't really know what's going on. She'd be like, just

1260
01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:41.800
ground yourself and you'll be okay. And so I was

1261
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:45.320
going to camp some Memorial Day weekend of twenty nineteen

1262
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:52.960
and I and I'm like, I won't get into all

1263
01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:54.840
the details because there's some things I want to leave

1264
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:55.519
out on purpose.

1265
01:07:55.960 --> 01:07:57.559
Whatever you're comfortable with, Sam.

1266
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:03.199
Yeah. So there was some things that Arla said and

1267
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:04.599
I held on to them because I felt like they

1268
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:10.639
were important, but they were very vague, right, just some

1269
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:12.679
things to look for, And so I was like, okay.

1270
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:16.520
So I go up to camp and off right off

1271
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:18.479
the bat, I noticed one of the things she mentioned,

1272
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:22.760
and I was like no way. So I get to camp.

1273
01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:25.840
We set up and it was really nice the first day,

1274
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:31.399
and then these clouds came in. We're on top of

1275
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:35.159
a ridge top and you can overlook like we're about

1276
01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:37.399
sixty five hundred feet and you can look at the

1277
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:39.560
high desert all around. I mean you can see almost

1278
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.479
a Washington state from where we are. It's amazing area.

1279
01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:46.399
And unfortunately it just burned last week with one of

1280
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:47.079
the fires here.

1281
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:50.159
I have a feeling, I know, yeah, it's terrible.

1282
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:57.159
Yeah, dude, the fires right now are so some brain

1283
01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:00.520
came through that first that first night and it dropped.

1284
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:02.279
I mean, like the temperature when we got up the

1285
01:09:02.319 --> 01:09:05.640
next morning was like thirty four and it was like

1286
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:07.720
the clouds were just sitting on top of us. It

1287
01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:13.520
was cloudy and windy and foggy, just like terrible weather.

1288
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:17.319
Like any any sane individual would have left and just

1289
01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:20.319
gone home, right, and some stubborn guy and I just

1290
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:22.920
pushed through it. My kids were great sports. My wife

1291
01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:25.319
was an awesome sport about it. We played games in

1292
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.199
the tent and just cooked and made the best of

1293
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:32.239
it for two days. And I'm at that point I'm

1294
01:09:32.239 --> 01:09:34.760
starting to wonder, like is anything going to happen, you know,

1295
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.479
probably not or whatever. So that night, last night, we're

1296
01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:44.199
in camp. I'm laying in my tent. I'm gonna close

1297
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:45.800
my eyes when I say this because it just helps

1298
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.600
me bring it back. So laying in my tent and

1299
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.199
my Forerunner is maybe ten feet away. Sparked right here

1300
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:59.000
to my left, and as I'm sleeping, I hear a

1301
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:01.720
tree branch or maybe a tree just like snapped in

1302
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:03.560
half in the valley below us. It was just like

1303
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:08.359
this bow and it just like echoed it came up,

1304
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:12.840
but it got my heart beat going and I and

1305
01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:16.359
I remember trying to calm myself down, and I was like, okay,

1306
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:19.399
calm down, calm down. And it was like between the

1307
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:22.840
break and me trying to calm down was maybe like

1308
01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:26.159
two seconds. And then right next to me in the

1309
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:28.439
like outside of the tent, between me and the Forerunner

1310
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:32.960
was a whistle and it was like you know, and

1311
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:38.079
I've heard that whistle before, and so I I was like, Okay,

1312
01:10:38.079 --> 01:10:40.920
someone's here. And so I started trying to calm myself

1313
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:43.039
because your your body's going to have a reaction, right

1314
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:46.000
no matter how many times you see them or come

1315
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:49.479
to contact with them. Your body is going to have

1316
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:53.880
like a chemical or hormonal, you know, some kind of reaction. Right,

1317
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:56.079
So my heart was like WoT boot boom, boom, And

1318
01:10:56.119 --> 01:11:02.000
you have to calm yourself down. And as I'm sitting

1319
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:04.600
here trying to breathe, and again this is GE's weird,

1320
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:09.159
so just bear with me, because that's got to be

1321
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:12.119
truthful about this. I'm in my tent, my family's next

1322
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:14.840
to me, they're all asleep. I'm just trying to just

1323
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:17.199
breathing to calm myself down, and I'm taking in these

1324
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:21.800
deep breaths. And part of this like breathing meditation, I

1325
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:24.560
kind of do. So yeah, I do meditate. Like you

1326
01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:28.199
were talking about earlier. Is I imagine the cold air

1327
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:31.600
coming in when I draw it in and it goes

1328
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:34.800
into my lungs, I imagine it charging my heart, like

1329
01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:40.199
my heart center. And this is just so I was

1330
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:42.199
every time the cold air because it was in the

1331
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.760
thirties again, and so I would just you'd feel it

1332
01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:47.079
and so like it just would imagine this thing, and

1333
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:49.359
it was calming me down, and I was just waiting

1334
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:52.960
for something to happen. And as I'm doing this this

1335
01:11:54.880 --> 01:12:00.079
like light, I don't really not explain it. It was like

1336
01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:05.880
a bubble of light came out of my chest and

1337
01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:08.960
it was like around me and my family in the tent,

1338
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:14.720
and I remember looking at it being like, what is that?

1339
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:18.600
And they're asleep. My family's sleeping through this whole thing,

1340
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.159
which was another thing in itself, and that's happened a

1341
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:28.159
couple times before. And so okay, So the person standing

1342
01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:34.520
next to my tent, she introduces herself to me as

1343
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.000
showing me her name, and so I see these I

1344
01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:39.520
have my eyes closed at the time, but there's these

1345
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.680
block letters that kind of come into my field of

1346
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:44.560
view and as my eyes are closed, and it said

1347
01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:48.239
her name, which was Vavian. And they were doing this

1348
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:49.680
weird thing where they were kind of doing like this,

1349
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:57.600
coming in and out and she man, it's just really

1350
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:01.439
hard to explain this with words sometimes. So this weird

1351
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:05.600
thing happened. Where as I'm laying there trying to gather

1352
01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:09.960
all this information, this like picture book of images and

1353
01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:16.199
languages and words that I'm not familiar with start popping

1354
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:18.680
off in front of Like it's like this, you know,

1355
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.359
like a have you ever seen a flip book or whatever?

1356
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:24.199
Someone will draw an image and it was like that

1357
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:28.000
type of thing. But it was like all these things

1358
01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:30.800
that I wasn't familiar with. Symbols. I remember the DNA

1359
01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:35.079
symbol being one of them, and like light language, which

1360
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:36.880
I've learned now is light language, but at the time

1361
01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:38.399
I didn't know what it was. And so all these

1362
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:40.760
things are just going through my mind, like and it's

1363
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:45.000
just like it was like a library's worth of information

1364
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:51.960
and some sitting there and I'm like, what what is

1365
01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:56.239
going on? And so we did this weird thing. Another

1366
01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:59.319
weird thing happened. It was like I turned inside out

1367
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:04.039
and I traveled into myself. And again I don't really

1368
01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:06.079
know how to explain this. I wish I could show

1369
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:09.640
people what it was like. But I went into this

1370
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:15.199
like portal, traveled through it. It came to the other side.

1371
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:20.399
I was at this place where it was like I

1372
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:22.000
can't get into that because this is going to take

1373
01:14:22.039 --> 01:14:23.800
forever to talk about it. But it was basically like

1374
01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:25.520
where you go when you have a near death experience

1375
01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:29.520
type thing. Oh and she was there, Yeah, and so

1376
01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:36.560
she was there. That's where we met. Like again, this

1377
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.159
all sounds crazy, and I totally understand if it hadn't

1378
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.079
happened to me, I would probably have a hard time

1379
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:47.119
believing it. And so we traveled back into the physical state.

1380
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:49.439
I sat up in my tent and she was still

1381
01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:52.199
right there, and I remember rubbing my face, being like

1382
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:54.520
in my back and my body, like what is going on?

1383
01:14:54.600 --> 01:14:56.680
And I remember saying like can I come outside and

1384
01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:01.560
see you? And I passed out. It's like it was

1385
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:03.439
like she put me to sleep or something, you know

1386
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:06.560
what I mean. And then I woke up again and

1387
01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:08.920
being and then again it was just like like what

1388
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:13.960
just happened. So when you asked earlier about like when

1389
01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:17.680
you meet one and then there's like an information type

1390
01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:20.479
thing that that's how that happened. I've met people since

1391
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:25.600
then that have said that they've experienced similar things or

1392
01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:28.880
you know, not necessarily that exact scenario, but pieces of

1393
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:33.560
it maybe, And so that's very reaffirming, you know, and

1394
01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:37.239
like because I will say, man, you question your sanity

1395
01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:40.319
a lot through this, right, and so hearing other people

1396
01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:44.560
experiencing this type of thing, it is very reassuring that

1397
01:15:46.199 --> 01:15:49.279
they just you just you have a bond and a

1398
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:52.039
connection with people over this type of stuff that is

1399
01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:57.159
really hard to break. After that you have those things in.

1400
01:15:57.079 --> 01:16:02.920
Common were you able. So the way that this individual

1401
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.560
looked that you had this experience with what she said

1402
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:11.920
is vivon Vivian. Sorry did it looks? Did Vavion look

1403
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:18.039
similar to other Sasquatch people that you had seen before? No? No,

1404
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:20.399
totally different she is.

1405
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:25.960
So I've heard several references to, like, you know, there's

1406
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:29.119
different types of Sasquatch people. People like to categorize on

1407
01:16:29.199 --> 01:16:32.119
this type one to three or four or whatever, and

1408
01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:34.560
then you hear a reference to like ancient ones or

1409
01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:39.000
primal beings things like that. So what I explain her

1410
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:42.159
is she's more of like a primal being or more

1411
01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:46.159
of what Sasquatch were before they're the modern day Sasquatch.

1412
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:48.439
I don't know if that makes sense. It makes sense

1413
01:16:48.520 --> 01:16:53.159
kind of like the ancestors of the Sasquatch. So she

1414
01:16:53.359 --> 01:17:01.399
is an ancient primal being and she is from what again, Man,

1415
01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:05.720
that's gonna sound crazy, but she she has a very

1416
01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:10.560
angelic voice, she's very grandmotherly, and she has like this

1417
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:16.199
head dress thing that she wears, and it's like a

1418
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:20.880
uh I've seen it in like reference to say, like

1419
01:17:21.039 --> 01:17:26.079
fae beings in like Irish folklore and like things like

1420
01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:29.760
that it's not like it's but it's almost like it's

1421
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:31.760
part of her. I don't really know how to explain it,

1422
01:17:31.800 --> 01:17:34.159
but it's just like this headdress she wears that is

1423
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:41.199
like a way to address herself amongst her people. As like,

1424
01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:45.800
I don't really know how to explain that. You know,

1425
01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:47.000
does that make any sense?

1426
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:54.600
It's like it does, yeah, yeah, man, that is that

1427
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:59.119
is really really extremely interesting. And so then at the

1428
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:01.600
end of that, then you passed out and went to sleep,

1429
01:18:02.039 --> 01:18:04.520
and then is this a thing that you had you

1430
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:08.079
shared with your wife the next day what happened and

1431
01:18:08.079 --> 01:18:08.399
things like.

1432
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:11.039
That, And she slept through the whole thing. Man, That's

1433
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:13.760
the thing that's crazy about stuff. But we've had experience

1434
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:15.800
before where things have happened in camp and they slept

1435
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:17.399
through it, and I'm like, how are you guys sleeping

1436
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:20.560
through this? So there's that weird aspect to it there too,

1437
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:26.520
Like we had we had someone use our hatchet one

1438
01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:28.960
night at camp. I woke up to a wood knock

1439
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.720
and I was like, what is that, Like, where's this going?

1440
01:18:32.840 --> 01:18:36.119
And maybe thirty seconds later a minute later, I heard

1441
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:38.560
someone pick up our hatchet by our firewood and start

1442
01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:40.680
like pretending to chop wood with it like they were.

1443
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.600
The way I envisioned it was that it was like

1444
01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:47.520
a little one who had been watching a chop wood

1445
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:49.199
at camp all day and was like, I want to

1446
01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:51.720
try that, And so they just, you know, picked up

1447
01:18:51.760 --> 01:18:53.760
the hatchet and started chopping wood. And I was like,

1448
01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:56.439
this is awesome. Do I come out of the tent?

1449
01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.159
Do I just wait? And my family slept through the

1450
01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:02.399
whole thing. I don't know how you know what I

1451
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:04.199
mean right, just things like that happened.

1452
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:10.399
Wow, it's absolutely fascinating stuff. And I don't mean to

1453
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:16.199
jump around either, but would you be able to share

1454
01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:21.239
I know you had mentioned that you had gone out

1455
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:25.680
at least a time or two with with Jeff Rohn. Yeah, yeah,

1456
01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:28.800
I'm a good I'm a good friend to Jeff through

1457
01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:32.920
Sasquatch Summerfest. I think that would be fascinating to hear

1458
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:36.039
something that happened when that both of you were in

1459
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:36.760
this place.

1460
01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:41.640
Absolutely. So I met Jeff. We had kind of an

1461
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:44.520
online friends before I moved out here, and then I

1462
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:49.039
met him the first year I moved out here, and uh,

1463
01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:51.199
this was before I met Avion and everything like that.

1464
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:54.960
So this was kind of me getting settled, and so

1465
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.880
there's twenty seventeen, you know, So, I don't know if

1466
01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:00.560
you if you remember him mentioning mention ending a place

1467
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.880
called Camp Broke An Arrow. Absolutely, yeah, and it's off

1468
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:06.600
the Big Wood Highway and you know, like that that

1469
01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:10.039
whole area. And so he was like, I haven't been

1470
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:11.199
back there in a while. Would you want to go

1471
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:13.720
back there with me? And I was like absolutely. So

1472
01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:16.880
he and I meet up in es Decata, where he

1473
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:19.359
was living at the time, and we we drive We

1474
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:22.119
drive down there, and he was he told me he

1475
01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:25.600
went down there a couple of days before to try

1476
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:28.239
and check out the road. And he was like, man,

1477
01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:30.720
there was because before the winter before I moved there,

1478
01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:32.319
there was a crazy winter. It was a ton of

1479
01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:34.880
snow and he was like, the road it's really bad,

1480
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:37.800
like there's trees down and and stuff. And he was like,

1481
01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:39.880
we're gonna have to cut our way back. So we

1482
01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:41.720
went into it knowing we were gonna have to. I

1483
01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:43.880
brought my chainsaw, he brought you know his, And so

1484
01:20:43.960 --> 01:20:47.279
we we met up in Escada. We drove down there

1485
01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:49.800
and he said he was like, well, I went there

1486
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:51.279
last week to go check out the road, and he

1487
01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:53.520
was like, and when I got out of my truck,

1488
01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:56.279
something ran up to the wood, like you know, in

1489
01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:58.039
the woods, and he was like, it kind of freaked

1490
01:20:58.039 --> 01:20:59.560
me out. So I just left and I was like, nah,

1491
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:03.520
I get it, you know, like that that's spooky sometimes, you know,

1492
01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:06.600
especially when you're in the middle of nowhere. So we

1493
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:09.560
drove back, uh, and it took us six hours that

1494
01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:12.239
day to cut our way back. I mean, it was terrible.

1495
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:14.239
If we had known, I don't know if we had

1496
01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:16.960
we would have done it right. But at the further

1497
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:19.000
further we went in, we were like, we don't We're

1498
01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:22.079
already invested. Let's get back there. So it took six

1499
01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:24.640
hours cut our way back. We got back to camp

1500
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:26.640
and this is it's the end of a forest road

1501
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:32.479
and there's and you're kind of in this and it's elevated,

1502
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:35.800
but around you it was like this ring of ridge

1503
01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:37.479
and it kind of is like you're in the middle

1504
01:21:37.479 --> 01:21:39.960
of a bowl, but you're elevated a little bit above it.

1505
01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:43.960
It's amazing place. And they they logged it in the

1506
01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:47.239
nineties and so, but it had all grown back and

1507
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:49.479
it's real it's cool now. But so anyways, we get back.

1508
01:21:49.479 --> 01:21:52.039
There were sweaty, tired. You know, I've got our legs

1509
01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:55.720
are all cut up and bloody. And we made our

1510
01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:01.520
made our dinner and we would sleep and uh that

1511
01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:04.039
this is the first night him and I can't. So

1512
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:08.199
I had my We had gotten back there so late,

1513
01:22:08.239 --> 01:22:09.840
we didn't have a chance to set up tents or anything.

1514
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:12.079
So we just slept in our rigs, right, And so

1515
01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:14.000
I had my fore runner backed into a spot. He

1516
01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:17.119
had his truck backed up, and I went to sleep.

1517
01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:19.159
I rolled my windows down when I sleep in the

1518
01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:20.600
back of my truck because I want to be able

1519
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:22.760
to listen to everything. And I also have this weird

1520
01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:24.800
thing where if someone wants to reach in and touch me,

1521
01:22:24.840 --> 01:22:25.359
they can.

1522
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:26.960
Okay, fair enough.

1523
01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:30.600
Yeah. And so as I'm laying there going to sleep,

1524
01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:34.720
I heard there's a gifting stump that we have set up.

1525
01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:37.680
I heard someone walk up the hill from the gifting

1526
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:41.479
stump and they walked around a tree that was there,

1527
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:43.560
and they came over to the side of my foreigner

1528
01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:47.239
that I was sleeping in, and they sat down on

1529
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:53.600
a log right there, and I just remember thinking, holy crap,

1530
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:56.239
like the first time I'm here, this is happening, you know,

1531
01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:00.159
And and I what's this. In a situation like that,

1532
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:03.000
which is why you're there, the last thing you'd expect

1533
01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:07.560
to do is fall asleep instantly. Fell asleep yep, every

1534
01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:11.640
time and right, And I fell asleep and I woke

1535
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:14.720
up at some point I don't know what, and I

1536
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:18.760
woke up to the entire area, the air and everything

1537
01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:23.439
was just like this long, long, long like vibration like

1538
01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:26.760
remember while like like you know, it was just like

1539
01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:29.640
and I was like, what what's going on? And I

1540
01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:32.279
fell asleep again. I woke up again. I don't know

1541
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:34.319
how much later it was still happening, and I fell

1542
01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:38.720
asleep again. And so anyways, I I got up the

1543
01:23:38.760 --> 01:23:42.800
next morning, and oh yeah, so I woke up and

1544
01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:45.119
I realized that the sun was up, and I heard

1545
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.039
whoever was not up up, but it was like false

1546
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:50.760
dawn where the sun was starting to become a little delight, right,

1547
01:23:51.079 --> 01:23:57.000
and whoever was by my forerunner was walking around the

1548
01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.760
tree going down the hill again. So it's like they

1549
01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:02.359
had sat next to my forerounder the entire night and

1550
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:04.439
I didn't see them because by the time I woke

1551
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:06.239
up and looked over, they were already around the other

1552
01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:09.439
side of the tree going down the hill. And so anyways,

1553
01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:12.119
we got up. We're sitting around the fire drink coffee,

1554
01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:13.760
and I was telling him what happened, and he was like,

1555
01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:16.359
let me tell you what happened. So I don't. He's

1556
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:21.000
told you the story about how he was being brain scanned.

1557
01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:24.359
Oh yeah, and he was there, and I believe this

1558
01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:27.439
was the time where he he had this like vision

1559
01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:29.159
while it was happening that he was being held by

1560
01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:32.159
a Sasquatch woman and she was like like rubbing his

1561
01:24:32.199 --> 01:24:35.359
head and saying like it's gonna be okay. And yeah,

1562
01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:38.720
so that was that. So while he was experiencing that,

1563
01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:41.880
I was in the car hearing this weird vibrational stuff

1564
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:44.560
and somebody was like to me, I took it as

1565
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:46.720
they were just keeping an eye on me, right while

1566
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:49.600
this was happening to Jeff, That's how it fell. So

1567
01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:53.960
someone was like keeping guard. It was the first night

1568
01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:59.199
we camped together. And we've camped. We've camped a few times.

1569
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.760
We camped Summerfest last year. We just camped as recent Summerfest.

1570
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:07.079
Oh sorry, hold on real quick. Whenever the big Foot

1571
01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:11.079
Highway comes up, I always say, guys, read the book

1572
01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:13.960
by Joe Bielert. First, you don't just drive into the

1573
01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:18.840
Bigfoot Highway without extra gas, extra tires, extra everything to survive.

1574
01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:22.640
I'm dead serious. Okay, go ahead, No, it's it is

1575
01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:23.840
one of those places. It's crazy.

1576
01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:27.560
It's a dude. It is a very interesting place. Yeah,

1577
01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:30.840
and I will tell you one more story from that

1578
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:33.640
broken airowspot. I've camped there a few times with him now,

1579
01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.039
and this is just to kind of explain like how

1580
01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:39.600
this place is. So I go there once another year

1581
01:25:39.600 --> 01:25:42.159
and it's me and my oldest son and Jeff, and

1582
01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:44.439
we're there the first night, just us and then some

1583
01:25:44.479 --> 01:25:46.039
other people were going to come in the next day.

1584
01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:49.520
That first night, we were in the back of our

1585
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:52.239
foreigners again, because by this time it had overgrown enough

1586
01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:53.840
that you can't really set a tent up there, and

1587
01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:55.800
if you have a bunch of vehicles back there, you

1588
01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:58.680
have to kind of there's not enough room. So we

1589
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:00.439
just sat up and sleep in the back of our rigs.

1590
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:03.520
I think he had he either had his old fore

1591
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:08.000
Runner or a Sequoia then. But so anyways, my son

1592
01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:09.520
and I are sleeping in the back of our four runners.

1593
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:14.039
I have my windows down, and he's asleep in his

1594
01:26:14.039 --> 01:26:17.159
his rig and I wake up to at some point

1595
01:26:17.199 --> 01:26:19.479
in the night, I wake up to hearing his car

1596
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:24.640
door closed, Jeff's cardor close, and somebody walking up the trail,

1597
01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:28.840
like up the road the trail or whatever. And my

1598
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:30.520
first thought was, Oh, he must have to use the

1599
01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:34.479
bathroom or something. And so anyways, they go walking up

1600
01:26:34.479 --> 01:26:36.680
the trail and I'm like laying there and like, never

1601
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:39.079
hear him come back. It was probably like fifteen minutes

1602
01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:41.760
or something, and I'm like, should I go check on him?

1603
01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:44.279
Like I wonder what he's up to, And again I

1604
01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:46.920
fall back asleep. I wake up the next morning to

1605
01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:49.439
him getting out of his car and starting to do coffee,

1606
01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:51.039
and I'm like, oh, you know, he's up. So I

1607
01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:54.000
get up. I go over and I'm like like, oh, man,

1608
01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:55.560
where'd you go last night? I heard you get up,

1609
01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:57.560
you know, late, and you've gone for a while. I

1610
01:26:57.600 --> 01:26:58.920
never heard you come back. And he was like, I

1611
01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:01.880
never left my car. WHOA.

1612
01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:07.880
So yeah, it's a wild and you guys are miles

1613
01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:09.159
and miles out out there.

1614
01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:11.760
Yeah, we're a few miles back. And it's a place

1615
01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:13.720
too that not allowed. I mean, there's no reason for

1616
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:16.119
people to really go back there because right right, you know.

1617
01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:20.560
Oh my goodness, dud. Wow. So so you were saying

1618
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:25.560
in part of my interrupting, you were saying that then

1619
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:30.079
around Sasqua Summerfest, you guys had gone out or there

1620
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.640
was something that happened one of the previous years.

1621
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:41.319
Yeah. So last year at Summerfest, it's I don't know

1622
01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:43.800
how much time we have left. Butt Like, I got it.

1623
01:27:45.520 --> 01:27:47.640
I mean, I got I got time. It's Sunday afternoon.

1624
01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:52.840
I'm just chilling out and don't worry about it. I

1625
01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:55.159
got the time, Okay.

1626
01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:57.479
I gotcha. Uh So I'll try to keep it as

1627
01:27:57.479 --> 01:28:00.800
short as possible. Sorry. Last year at Summerfest, I I Drew.

1628
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:03.439
I spent Thursday before the Summerfest driving around all the

1629
01:28:03.479 --> 01:28:07.199
forest roads up there and exploring, like trying to find

1630
01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:09.760
cool places. I wanted to find a good place to camp, right,

1631
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:13.279
And so I spent four or five hours that Thursday

1632
01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:17.039
driving around and dropping pinpoints on possible cool spots to camp.

1633
01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:20.079
And I found a spot. And so normally what I'll

1634
01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:21.960
do is I'll go by my feel. Right, I'll pull

1635
01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:23.760
in an area it looks like a great camp. If

1636
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:25.359
I don't get a good feeling about it, I'm not

1637
01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:28.760
going to camp there, right, So I found this one spot.

1638
01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:33.600
It's not the biggest area, it's big enough for similar

1639
01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:36.720
or broken arrow and it's similar for like three maybe

1640
01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:38.560
four cars to park back there. And that's about it.

1641
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:43.319
But I got back there and I just got that feeling.

1642
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:45.439
It was like, this is a spot, and so I

1643
01:28:45.479 --> 01:28:47.279
was like cool. So I told Jeff, I was like,

1644
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:49.520
I found our spot. There's where we're going to camp.

1645
01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:54.800
So that first night I remember it being fairly uneventful.

1646
01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:57.279
We kind of had a feeling something might be there,

1647
01:28:57.960 --> 01:29:01.319
but it was real chill, It's very relaxing place. So

1648
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:06.119
we go to summer Fest that first day and then

1649
01:29:06.199 --> 01:29:10.439
then that night. Yeah, so that second night, i'm the

1650
01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:12.159
guys from Arizona four were there last year.

1651
01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:13.399
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, good guys.

1652
01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:16.760
And so Wayne from Arizona four came back to camp

1653
01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:19.479
with me and Jeff that second night. And so while

1654
01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:22.239
we're sitting there back at camp, I was talking. We

1655
01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:26.159
were talking to Wayne and it's they He was talking

1656
01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:29.000
about being zapped, right, and so I was trying to

1657
01:29:29.159 --> 01:29:32.199
understand what their idea of being zapped is in comparison

1658
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:35.319
to what I remember hearing people say. And Georgia was

1659
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:38.000
being zapped. And in Georgia people say you get zapped,

1660
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:40.600
you would be like incapacitated, or you weren't able to move,

1661
01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:46.399
you were kind of frozen. And I wanted to make

1662
01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:49.399
sure that I was getting their definition as zapped properly.

1663
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:51.119
So I asked him, I said, well, this is what

1664
01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:53.560
they call it back in Georgia. Is this what you

1665
01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:56.399
guys experienced? And he was like, no, it's more of

1666
01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:59.840
like a you get like a tingling sensation down sailor

1667
01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:03.840
your arm or or it's like a it's a very

1668
01:30:03.880 --> 01:30:06.600
subtle kind of tingling you'll feel in a certain part

1669
01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:08.920
of your body. And I was like, oh, that's interesting,

1670
01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:14.840
that's cool. I think I've experienced that before. So we

1671
01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:18.720
got to sleep that night and I was laying there,

1672
01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:20.119
I woke up at some point. I don't know how

1673
01:30:20.119 --> 01:30:22.600
to explain this part, really, but I know people will

1674
01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:27.000
understand this. There's a thing that can happen sometimes when

1675
01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:29.840
they when the Sasquatch people come into camp in which

1676
01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:32.880
it almost feels like there's a vacuum and it's like

1677
01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:37.279
there's no noise, but it's like there's no air, there's

1678
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:40.199
no anything, and it's I don't really know how to

1679
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:45.399
explain it, but it's just like there is just like

1680
01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:51.720
beyond quiet. And I woke up to that and I

1681
01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:54.000
was like, there's somebody here and you and I heard

1682
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:56.640
it was sounded like somebody like maybe like popping an

1683
01:30:56.640 --> 01:31:01.600
antenna on one of the cars or something. And so

1684
01:31:02.199 --> 01:31:04.840
while I'm laying there listening or just trying to see

1685
01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:07.680
if anything was going to happen, I felt like on

1686
01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:10.960
the heel of my foot near my Achilles tendant, I

1687
01:31:11.000 --> 01:31:14.840
felt this like electrical pulsation of like this like twisting

1688
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:20.479
electrical kind of sensation of like being like a like

1689
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:23.840
a very low amperage electrical kind of current. And it

1690
01:31:23.920 --> 01:31:26.159
was like the circular pattern the way it was moving.

1691
01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:27.600
And I didn't really and I was like, that is

1692
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:34.359
something I've never felt before. And so the moon was

1693
01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:39.119
not full that weekend, but it was pretty two thirds ash,

1694
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:42.079
you know, and and it was shining from behind my

1695
01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:46.199
head onto the trees that my feet were facing. And

1696
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:48.079
so when I when I started to feel that sensation,

1697
01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:50.520
I looked. I opened my eyes to look at my feet,

1698
01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:52.479
and when I looked at my feet, I saw a

1699
01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:56.920
black shadow move just like what just like move to

1700
01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:02.039
my left to the right, and my first instinct or

1701
01:32:02.079 --> 01:32:05.720
my first like thought was like, oh, that's what zapping.

1702
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:09.720
That's what Wayne was explaining what zapping feels like. So

1703
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:13.279
to me, and this is just how I interpret this situation.

1704
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:16.640
That individual was listening to us that night, because this

1705
01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:18.840
was like midnight or something that we were talking just

1706
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:20.880
you know, just sitting out in the dark talking and

1707
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:24.039
some things had happened. But so it felt like to

1708
01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:27.600
me somebody was listening to us while we were talking

1709
01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:29.720
about that. And then later on was like, this is

1710
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.560
what he was talking about and gave me like a

1711
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:34.960
you know what I mean, like, gave me a little sample.

1712
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:37.520
Of what he was really one hundred percent. Yeah, that's

1713
01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:40.359
fascinating how that that comes up. That kind of thing

1714
01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:44.199
comes up a lot in these interviews, is that someone

1715
01:32:44.239 --> 01:32:49.279
will say something and then it'll be addressed in some

1716
01:32:49.439 --> 01:32:54.520
way by some interaction with the Sasquatch people later on.

1717
01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:57.359
It's just it's so wild how it works out.

1718
01:32:57.680 --> 01:32:58.920
Oh it happens a lot.

1719
01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:05.359
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Oh my goodness. That that is really

1720
01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:10.159
cool to to know another I like figuring out and

1721
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:13.520
hearing different things that happened around that festival. It's cool.

1722
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:18.039
To hear another thing that happened, uh last year. I

1723
01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:20.399
don't know if we were able to talk. Sorry if

1724
01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:22.880
we didn't, I'm sorry. We weren't able to meet last year,

1725
01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:24.159
but we met.

1726
01:33:24.319 --> 01:33:27.119
We met briefly, but again it was very it was

1727
01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:32.439
very you know yeah.

1728
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:38.800
Yeah, oh wow, wow wow wow. So is that the

1729
01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:41.720
main the main thing you've had happened around Oakridge?

1730
01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:47.479
So that was okay? So the next night I think, okay,

1731
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:49.039
So that happened on Friday night, because that was the

1732
01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:53.119
first night at the festival, Saturday night, non theon we

1733
01:33:53.199 --> 01:33:56.880
left the festival and just Jeff and I. Chris Kramer

1734
01:33:57.039 --> 01:33:58.359
was going to come up with us that second night,

1735
01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:00.199
I believe, but then it ended up not Worth came

1736
01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:03.159
out and he couldn't come up. So it was just

1737
01:34:03.159 --> 01:34:05.279
me and Jeff that second night, and we were sitting

1738
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:08.079
by the Now we didn't have a fire last year,

1739
01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:11.239
so we were just sitting there talking and it was

1740
01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:14.720
getting close to you know, midnight again, and somebody threw

1741
01:34:14.760 --> 01:34:16.439
a rock and camp and it was a pretty decent

1742
01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:19.880
sized rock, say, like softball size, just got tossed right

1743
01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:23.279
behind Jeff's rig to Jeff's left, and he was like

1744
01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:25.479
do you hear that. I was like, yep, And so

1745
01:34:26.000 --> 01:34:28.079
we know that they were there listening to us. And

1746
01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:32.079
then so we decided to go to sleep. I get

1747
01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:33.880
in mind, I you know, like I get in, I

1748
01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:36.680
get laid down and settled in. And as soon as

1749
01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:40.600
I stopped moving, which seems to happen a lot, somebody

1750
01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:44.119
ran by my side of the foreignner just like like

1751
01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:46.840
super fastic, you know, and it made me like jump,

1752
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:51.000
you know exactly, and I laughed and I was like, oh,

1753
01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:55.439
it got me. So that was that was last year.

1754
01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:57.079
And then this year I camped in the same spot

1755
01:34:57.159 --> 01:35:00.800
Thursday night. I got there by myself and camped myself there.

1756
01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:04.800
While I was sitting and this is the same area.

1757
01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:08.479
I really liked the spots, very relaxing. I was sitting

1758
01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:11.119
there that first night and somebody broke a stick right

1759
01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:13.720
down the road from us, right down the forest road.

1760
01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:17.319
And it was a very deliberate because it was like quiet,

1761
01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:20.039
like nothing, no birds know, nothing, just like a little

1762
01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:22.159
bit of a breeze occasionally through the trees, and it

1763
01:35:22.199 --> 01:35:26.439
was just like snap. And I looked over, but it

1764
01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:28.920
was dark back there, you know, and I was like,

1765
01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:31.359
what should I do? Should I go down there, you know,

1766
01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:32.880
And so I just decided to wait. I was like,

1767
01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.279
we'll see where this goes. And I don't remember anything

1768
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:36.840
else happening that night. I went to sleep and it

1769
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:42.560
was relatively quiet. The next night, I'm sitting there. Jeff

1770
01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:44.920
and our friend Greg came back with us. This time,

1771
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:47.039
Jeff and Greg had gone to bed, and I was

1772
01:35:47.039 --> 01:35:49.399
sitting out by the fire by myself for about an hour,

1773
01:35:49.479 --> 01:35:52.039
and I was kind of, you know, just chilling, and

1774
01:35:52.119 --> 01:35:55.079
from that same spot, I heard that break, that tree

1775
01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:58.079
break or that tree branch break. I heard a woman

1776
01:35:58.159 --> 01:35:58.880
clear her throat.

1777
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:00.479
Wow.

1778
01:36:01.880 --> 01:36:04.720
And if you look so the way the firelight was going.

1779
01:36:04.880 --> 01:36:07.239
When I looked down there, it was like that was

1780
01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:08.920
like right at the edge of it. And it was

1781
01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:11.079
pitch black back there because there was really no moon

1782
01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:14.000
this year. And I looked over there and I just

1783
01:36:14.039 --> 01:36:16.920
heard and it was just like this or like kind

1784
01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:21.720
of and and I again was like should I walk

1785
01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:25.520
down there? And I didn't. I don't know, something didn't

1786
01:36:25.520 --> 01:36:27.439
feel one hundred percent about I'm not saying it was

1787
01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:30.800
like a bad situation, but I just didn't feel like

1788
01:36:32.039 --> 01:36:33.680
I should walk down there. So I just sat there

1789
01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:37.199
and I was like i'll see what happens. But I

1790
01:36:37.239 --> 01:36:38.800
think that was another one of those nights where like

1791
01:36:38.880 --> 01:36:41.319
somebody had come into camp, but it wasn't really like crazy.

1792
01:36:41.399 --> 01:36:45.079
But Sunday morning, when I got to leave, I walked back.

1793
01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:47.359
There's a spring behind camp. I walked back to the spring,

1794
01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:49.000
or as close as I could get to it, and

1795
01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:51.239
I found a sixteen inch print back there.

1796
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:52.600
Oh my goodness. Wow.

1797
01:36:52.760 --> 01:36:57.000
Really, So Jeff and Greg got up and left early

1798
01:36:57.039 --> 01:37:00.680
because Greg had to drive back to Boise, and so

1799
01:37:00.760 --> 01:37:02.319
they left and I spent about three or four hours

1800
01:37:02.319 --> 01:37:04.520
back there by myself, and that's when I found that track,

1801
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:08.039
And so it kind of I've had things like that

1802
01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:13.199
happened before, where it's like an affirmation or like we

1803
01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:15.159
were here, you know what I mean, They'll like leave

1804
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:16.880
something to let you know that they.

1805
01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:20.159
Were there one hundred percent. I mean, man, the stuff

1806
01:37:20.199 --> 01:37:24.439
I've experienced an Oakridge over Let's see, it's only been

1807
01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:30.439
two years because I missed this year. I mean, not

1808
01:37:30.560 --> 01:37:33.680
being able to move from a nylon chair, I was

1809
01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:39.159
sitting in sixteen inch tracks. Wood knocks in response to

1810
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:44.359
asking if you can make a noise out loud? The

1811
01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:48.640
weird one was down by Hills Creek Reservoir. Seeing silhouette

1812
01:37:48.640 --> 01:37:52.119
of a sasquatch go into a fine covered pine tree

1813
01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:54.760
on the side of the road. That was That was

1814
01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:59.399
that weirded me out big time. Hills Creek is weird, dude.

1815
01:37:59.520 --> 01:38:03.960
It's a fun place. But my goodness, Sam, your your

1816
01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:09.640
journey is incredible. I mean, what is the incredible road

1817
01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:15.439
that you've gone through from Canada to Georgia to Oregon.

1818
01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:21.279
And I know it's if you wrote a book, it

1819
01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:24.600
would be the most incredible book because it would just

1820
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:29.479
have so so much in it. But uh, do you

1821
01:38:29.560 --> 01:38:33.119
have maybe to ask you another one more question? Do

1822
01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:36.680
you have a goal through through all your interactions with

1823
01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:37.800
the Sasquatch people?

1824
01:38:41.159 --> 01:38:46.000
A goal? I just really love experiencing these things. Yeah,

1825
01:38:46.119 --> 01:38:49.359
It's just it's shaped me into such a different person

1826
01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:52.600
than when I started this journey. It. I grew up

1827
01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:55.720
in an urban city environment, you know, I'm watching the

1828
01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:59.800
DC area, and it's changed me into like a highly

1829
01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:03.479
spirtual I mean basically a hippie, you know what I mean.

1830
01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:08.079
Like I it's completely if twenty year old Sam met me,

1831
01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:10.159
I would twenty year old Sam would fight me, you

1832
01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:12.039
know what I mean. It was just like, like, how

1833
01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:16.199
much I've changed and I owe it to everything that

1834
01:39:16.239 --> 01:39:22.199
they've shared with me over the years, and I've paradigm

1835
01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:25.239
shift after paradigm shift has just been shattered, you know,

1836
01:39:25.279 --> 01:39:28.479
and I met such this is probably the other than that.

1837
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:30.119
The best part of it is the people that I've

1838
01:39:30.159 --> 01:39:33.880
met during this absolute sol of the earth, best people

1839
01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:34.720
I've ever met.

1840
01:39:34.880 --> 01:39:40.600
One hundred percents. Yeah, I would say I agree right

1841
01:39:40.640 --> 01:39:44.279
with you. The best part of doing this podcast for

1842
01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:48.159
years has been the relationships and the people that you

1843
01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:51.359
meet along the way. It sounds it sounds like something

1844
01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:54.520
you hear a lot, but it really is truthful. In

1845
01:39:54.560 --> 01:39:57.159
this community, you can find some incredible people that will

1846
01:39:57.239 --> 01:40:00.880
change your life. But Sam, thank you so much for

1847
01:40:00.920 --> 01:40:04.880
spending some time with your uh with your story today,

1848
01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:08.279
sharing your story, and I'm sure people were able to

1849
01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:11.439
to meet a lot or were able to learn a

1850
01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:14.760
lot from it. I hope that they they where I

1851
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:20.640
know I'll be listening to this one again. Is it

1852
01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:24.640
sounds like you are a guy who prefers to be

1853
01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:28.920
in the background or do you have anything people can

1854
01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:33.520
follow your your journeys through, like any YouTube channel or

1855
01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:34.239
anything like that.

1856
01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:39.600
I do have a YouTube channel. I'm getting better at it.

1857
01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:42.119
I did. I did speak at a conference once and

1858
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:44.680
I I feel like I watched it, you know, I

1859
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:47.880
heard people say that it was fine, but I'm very Uh,

1860
01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:50.039
this is such an important topic to me. I want

1861
01:40:50.039 --> 01:40:54.039
to be precise on my messaging. So I'm still working

1862
01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:56.720
through learning how to become a better speaker and things

1863
01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:00.399
like that. So I do have a YouTube page. You

1864
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:02.520
can find that if you look up San Chandler one

1865
01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:06.960
zero eight. That is just kind of I used to

1866
01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:09.399
do a show with Arla back in the day, and

1867
01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:12.479
there's some of our episodes on that I and then

1868
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I I've made videos of some of my adventures or whatever,

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you know, like excursions into the forest, and I kind

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of share some areas. So some of the stories I've

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talked about, I actually have videos of me sharing some

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of those stories in my YouTube. I also started recently

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a encryptid research group. It's called Lare Again l O

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R E g O N. And so I'm good friends

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with Brandy Sylvie. He does been BIT for research group

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and he likes to mainly work with like the the

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Sasquatch people and the BIT for people. But I know

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that there's a lot of other things out there in

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the woods that people have experiences with. So I started

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this as kind of like a side thing to get

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people to share their experiences with the weird things that

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happen or the other beings and entities that they've seen.

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So I do have a Facebook page on that that's

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kind of up and coming, so I'm getting, you know,

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slow roll out on that one, but so yeah, that's

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that's probably the best way to check me out. And yeah, yeah,

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thanks for having me man.

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This has been great, absolutely, So I will have a

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YouTube and Facebook group link in the show notes or

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descriptions so listeners can check that out. But thank you

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again for being on the show. Sam. We will definitely

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stay in touch and hopefully we'll be able to talk

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01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:39.680
more next year out Nokridge.

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Yeah. Absolutely.

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Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

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directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

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in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

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01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:54.439
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

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01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:57.720
a National Park ranger or forestreet worker who's been told

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01:42:57.760 --> 01:43:01.199
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

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01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:04.720
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI,

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01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:08.479
a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon

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01:43:08.640 --> 01:43:11.239
something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're

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a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard

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01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:18.479
screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're

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in the logging industry on a remote oil field or

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a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen

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01:43:26.359 --> 01:43:29.520
that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist,

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a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who

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has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're

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a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat

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and you saw something that shook your faith, or if

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you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or anything with

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clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I

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want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You

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can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

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carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

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We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

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you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

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Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

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bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

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is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

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