Aug. 20, 2026

BIGFOOT CHASED Witness Through Rainier, Oregon | NEW KANDAHAR INFORMATION

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Season 1

Some places leave a lasting impression on everyone who experiences them, and the forests surrounding Rainier, Oregon continue to earn that reputation.


In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Ellie shares two unforgettable experiences from her childhood near Camp Wilkerson, and the Nehalem River. One night, an unseen presence surrounded a family trampoline, throwing rocks and heavy sticks from the darkness. Another evening, while returning from a chanterelle mushroom hunt, she found herself running through the woods with enormous footsteps keeping pace just behind her.


Later in the episode, Monte recounts a remarkable series of encounters spanning the Florida Everglades, Kandahar, Afghanistan, and Central Texas. His stories include a creature lifting his truck, military sightings involving multiple large figures, repeated rock-throwing incidents, and years of encounters around Marble Falls and Kerrville.


This episode explores firsthand eyewitness testimony from forests, wetlands, mountains, and remote backroads where unexplained encounters continue to be reported. Whether you're fascinated by Bigfoot research, regional hotspots, or personal witness accounts, this is an episode you won't want to miss.


If you've experienced something you can't explain, Bigfoot Society would love to hear your story.



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You're listening to Bigle Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers

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as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates

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about his medical journey, please go to the Carring Bridge

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link in the show notes. Thank you, all right, Big Society,

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We've got the privilege of talking to Ellie today. Ellie

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is a Columbia County, Oregon native, and got connected to

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me over on the TikTok platform, which there's a lot

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of really interesting conversations that happen over there. I believe

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one of the Near Oregon episodes had come across Ellie's feed,

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and so we started chatting after that and Ellie's had

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some interesting things happen in that area. So welcome to

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the show, Ellie, how are you?

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I am good, Thank you for having me.

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Fantastic. I've been looking forward to this one. It just

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interviews are very important to me right now as always,

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but it helps keep me, keep me going, keep my

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mind off cancer treatments and all that good stuff. And

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so Renier, Oregon comes up on the show a lot,

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or well, it's one of my most popular episodes because

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there's the episode which four ninety five, the late nineteen seventies,

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four years of activity bigfoot activity on the property in Renar, Oregon.

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And there are other things happening in this area. There

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are other conversations that I've had one that I can

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think of, and there's others that are off record, and

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maybe they'll come onto the show someday. Maybe not. That's

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there's no pressure there. But this place is totally active.

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But you have some things that you remember happening as

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you were growing up, Ellie, that you would like to

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share about. Some experiences out in the woods out there.

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Absolutely the first one. This is something that I actually

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think about quite frequently. It's kind of fun, but I

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used to live on a property way up on Apriy

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locals know the place. It's kind of by Camp Wilkerson,

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pretty far up in the hills. Literally no neighbors, no

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one there. We had about six to nine acres of

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our own property. So at night, I mean, it really

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was just us up there and whatever was creeping in

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the woods and this particular store. Yeah, I me and

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my siblings, we would camp outside quite frequently, especially on

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our trampoline. We would kind of grow up like having

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little campouts on our trampoline in the yard. And I'd say,

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like it was maybe forty feet from the house, our trampoline.

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It's like on the edge of the wooded you know,

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area line, property line, and our property continued off into

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the woods quite a bit too, so the property line

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just is where we'd.

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Call our yard, you know.

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Well, this particular night, we were like sleeping on the trampoline,

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typical kids stuff. And then I I don't know what

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time it was, but it was obviously it had to

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have been past midnight.

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Hitch Black.

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All you can hear is crickets. All you can hear

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is like we live next to a creek as well.

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It's actually the Nehalen river that went through our yard,

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and we were awoken, me and my sister, and we

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heard cracks.

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Were like, oh what is that?

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You know?

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An animal? Oh?

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No, So we all get very quiet and we're just listening,

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and we began to see and hear some movement in

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the bushes. We can't necessarily see what's happening in front

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of us. We just see something dark moving around in

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the bushes. And then it started throwing things at us.

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It started throwing sticks and rocks, and it would stop

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and we'd be like, what do we do. Do we

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book it for the house or do we stay put?

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It clearly knows we're here, and no. I just kept

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throwing sticks and rocks every once in a while. And

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then it got real dead, silent, not even crickets, not

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even anything, just us, and then it stopped. It was

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really spooky. It scared us. That was probably the best,

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the best experience I've had, coming along with like the

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bigfoot societies and stuff. That was the one prominent thing

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that spooked me because like, what big animal out here,

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like cougars, They're not gonna throw sticks and rocks at

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you and taunt you like that.

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You know, Wow, that that had to been super super freaky,

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and so a few things I got right off the bat,

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so Camp Wilkerson. Yeah, there's there's definitely reported activity that area,

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you know that you're talking about. There's definitely other things

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that have been reported. What was the what would you

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say the general time frame or time period that this happened? Was?

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You mean, like what year it was or how long

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did the thing happen?

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I think it was about twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, Wow,

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it would have been No, I think it's twenty fourteen.

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I'm gonna go with twenty fourteen.

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Yeah, not true.

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And how yeah that was pretty spooky.

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Super spooky. How long did it happen for?

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Honestly, the intensity of like us just being kids hanging

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out and how scary it was to have something throw

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stuff at us and hit like we had a net

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on our trampoline.

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It kept hitting the net.

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It felt like it lasted a good thirty forty minutes.

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But it could have been quick, you know, like when

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you're a kid and scary things happened. It could have

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been a fast experience. But genuinely, it felt like forever.

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I felt like we were sitting there for like thirty minutes,

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just in the dead silence, too scared to move, too

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scared to do anything.

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Yeah. Absolutely, so you are kind of like what junior

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high age at.

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That time about yeah, about going into Yeah awesome.

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How big were the sticks in the rocks that were

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being thrown at you?

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So the next morning we got up and we investigated.

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We got up, investigator walked around the trampoline. There was

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a couple of good size rocks, like hefty, at least

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like palm sized rocks thrown, and there was a couple

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sticks that were at least my arm length, A couple

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of good sized sticks kind of thick, like maybe at

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bigger than a quarter in diameter. But there were some

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beefy sticks that were thrown at us. And the rocks

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were pretty huge too. It looked like creek like rocks,

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river rocks or something. Okay, because honestly, we had so

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many trees and so much wooded area. It was weird

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to find like such smooth, kind of palm sized rocks

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like that up.

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There right right during that time that that was happening.

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Were you hearing any weird noises or smelling anything out

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of the ordinary.

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I I didn't smell anything.

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My sibling and the other gal that was with us,

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I'm pretty sure, were like, do you hear that?

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Do you smell that? And they're like breaked out.

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They thought maybe they heard breathing, you know, and I'm like,

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I don't know, guys, be quiet, ok. I'm like the

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big sister, I'm like, just just stay quiet. It's okay.

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I don't know what to do, but we're gonna stay quiet.

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And I couldn't hear anything, but they kept saying do

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you hear that? So I think that one of them

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heard some breathing.

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That's really interesting.

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Yeah, just kind of like slow deep breaths, like I

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like almost like not grouse, but like deep size almost

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every once in a while.

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How long was it before you had a conversation with

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someone else about what happened that wasn't there?

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Well?

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I think the next day we went and talked to

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my parents about it. We're like, oh my gosh, did

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you guys want to know what happened to us last night?

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And you know, they're just like, you guys are just

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freaking yourselves out. Now them was out there. And then

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some adult friend of my mom was like, oh, was

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it bigfoot? You know, trying to be funny, and it

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stuck with me deeply. It stuck with me. I was like,

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I don't know, but it scared us deeply. And what

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is going to be throwing stuff? I was like, were

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you out there? Was somebody out there throwing stuff at us?

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But that doesn't really make sense. I mean, we had

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a private driveway that was so long.

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So your parents were kind of dismissive about it. Sounds like, yeah,

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was Bigfoot ever talked about before that instance in the household?

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Yes a lot?

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Okay, yes, all the time. We always talked about it.

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And in school, particularly in Rainier. I remember going to

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what was it you get to go camp for a week.

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I forget what it's called, but either way, they talked

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about Bigfoot, showed big foot footprints, things like that. Really,

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I remember going to a couple events that were like

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a gentleman would come in and show his discoveries of

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the area and big Foot footprints, and I remember seeing

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an hold a cast at this one particular event.

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Oh, outdoor school. Excuse me. We went to outdoor school.

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They hosted an event and this gentleman had cast footprints

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of Bigfoot that we could hold and touch and see,

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and it was crazy.

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So that was put on by near schools.

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Yeah, I believe so, I think it was.

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It might have been the elementary school a trip for them,

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or it might have been the high school outdoor school,

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but yeah, it was.

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It's big talk out here.

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Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. So that would have been the

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same time period that that that happened with the school.

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I think it was a little bit after, maybe a

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year or two years after, but even before then you'd

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hear about stories.

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And I didn't grow up as a child in Rainier.

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I grew up outside the state, so like California, so

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when I came here, it was kind of a culture shock.

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Lots of woods, middle of nowhere, and then you hear

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all this stuff about bigfoot, never never hearing it before,

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you know, And yeah, it was pretty interesting to have

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an experience that close.

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Oh absolutely. I mean I can't imagine that. I bet

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I know that guy because this is so recent, like

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you're talking like ten years ago. I bet I know

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the guy that gave the talk, but it sounds like

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he's not really don't really have the name, which is

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no sweat at all, But I bet I could probably

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figure it out. I have a few Yeah, few ideas.

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I know what he looks like.

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Oh really, I could describe.

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Yeah, he was a He was a white man with

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really long gray hair and glasses. And he was kind

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of like the typical old grandpa type, you know, like

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he looked like his name would be John or something.

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I don't know. He might have been over he at

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least fifty something.

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I bet it was Henry Franzoing.

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Oh that sounds familiar. Did he have Either way, it

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was a really cool talk.

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Was he did. He have an interesting way of saying

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the word sasquatch, like sasquatch.

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I think, I think so, like sort of an accent. Yeah.

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Yeah, he's a great guy.

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He wrote a book. I know he wrote a book.

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Yes, he's wrote He's written multiple books. He's a great guy.

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He's no longer with us, unfortunately, But he was a

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guy I got to talk to multiple times, and Raynier

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was one of the areas that he really based a

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lot of his research in and he uncovered some really

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interesting things over the years down there and over an

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Oakridge too. But that's besides the point. But man, yeah,

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Henry Franzoni, what an incredible guy in the community. It

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sounds like, that's who we're talking about, so you know,

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we're we're chatting for a little bit before the second one.

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But think back to when you first moved from California

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to Oregon. Was there a story you heard that someone

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was talking about something to happened with Bigfoot and you're like, Oh, like,

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what's going on up here? This is kind of weird,

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Like this is very strange. Was there anything like that?

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Honestly, I never heard any Sasquatch stories until us kids

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started bringing it up. You know, you hear from your

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friends at school, Oh, we live in the woods, we

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go hunting, I've seen him, I've done this, I've done that,

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you know, and all hearsay speculation essentially, But kind of

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why I asked about paranormal before. I heard a lot

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about paranormal and I got really into it as a kid.

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I like wanted to know about it. I wanted to

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know about Sasquatch and all the cool creatures and things

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that we might not know about. And honestly, because of

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that experience, I went looking on my own for like

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shows and things. So honestly I would just get my

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information from shows that were happening, like the whole Big

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Foot Hunters, that was like the best show.

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Oh yeah, sure, sure, yeah, probably that.

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Was a good show.

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But I like finding Yeah, they'd be like, you're weird,

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that's not real, and I'm just like, well, I know

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what happened.

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I didn't see him.

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Sure you could say it was something, but a cougar

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didn't throw a rock at me and a stick at me.

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I didn't experience that from some big cat. I think

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I would have been eaten if it was a big cat,

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because I mean, we're in the pitch Black and we're

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just some young kids, like we're just a snack out there.

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But the thing I've heard growing up about is Bigfoot essentially.

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Taunts people like, hey, get out of here my space,

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you know.

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And that's how it felt, is like it was playing

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with us, like it wanted us to be scared. It

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wanted to freak us out because it knew what it

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was doing.

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Absolutely, I want to talk for a few minutes about

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I think it's really fascinating that your classmates were bringing

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up stories during your schooling around there, because you don't

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hear about that a lot. A lot of times in

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the town. It's like people weren't talking about it, but

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were you getting more of the thing, like like they

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were serious about what they were sharing, or they're kind

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of like, oh, yeah, we've heard these stories blah blah blah,

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or you know what were things that you may remember

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from hearing those stories in that time frame.

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I do think it was maybe to like pick on,

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pick on me. But some of the hunter stories I've

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heard are just where they like, hunters are big believers

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of sasquatch because of seeing things with their own eyes,

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like having something bigger than a bear, you know, in

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the distance, you know, or finding weird hair in places

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that just don't make sense, so like up high on

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a tree but like taller than a bear would be,

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you know, like it'd be a huge bear.

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We'd be talking about it.

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Or there was some thing about hunters seeing like trees

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positioned a certain way and knowing that a bigfoot was

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there because the trees were positioned a certain way, like

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in a triangle, almost like a teepee, but like not

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not a tepee obviously, like two sticks put together kind

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of marking almost a trail or a place, especially near

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creeks and rivers out here. Then Halom is a big one.

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So people would experience a lot of like they could

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see the tracks and like that gentleman showing the tracks.

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I'm pretty sure he had a couple of tracks from

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out here that he's.

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Got, you know, yeah, absolutely, So I wanted to check something.

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So you mentioned stories from hunters. Are the are these

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conversations you're having yourself then, or you've you've heard them

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on like different shows and things like that growing.

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Up other kids like that.

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Like I'd have a couple of friends hunt and if

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I would hang out with them, you know, they're the

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parents at they're hunters, and i'd bring something up like

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that spooky, their parents would jump in and talk about,

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oh yeah, you know I believe, or oh yeah, I

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don't believe. But the ones that usually believe always list

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off a couple things, Oh wow, so this is just

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and that's just like I don't know if they were

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telling it to me to scare me more, or telling

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me because they genuinely had those experiences.

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You know.

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But yeah, usually, like I had a couple friends that

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they went hunting with their families, and anytime i'd go

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to see them, you know, their families would bring it

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up if I brought it up, but it was never

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just like they'd jump into the conversation.

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I think people are hush hush out here about that.

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Yeah, it feels like Nier is an interesting place and

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I've never been there, but it's just I get a vibe,

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and you know, I have information from the late seventies

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from that episode, I have current day information from a

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few different sources. And then so this information and from

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you know, the twenty tens is a new time period

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for this area. But I mean, man, I've heard, I've

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heard there's some people that you want to talk to

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in the town that have some good stories, but you

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never really meet them unless you go there, you know

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what I mean. It's it's that kind of deal, and

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it's just going to like find them on the phone, right,

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but maybe some day it's But so you were saying

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that you also have a second experience as well.

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Yes, so this one's a little bit different. It's something

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that's stuck with me for years that terrified me and

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it still gives me chills thinking about it. But I

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was living in the same property. We would go hunting

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for Chantrell's quite a bit. You know, everybody does that.

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You're on your property, chantrell hunt and you sell them

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or you cook them, eat them, eat them up, you know.

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So I wanted to go with my mom's friend go

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hunting for them because I heard she was going, and

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I was like, I want to go on the hike

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with you.

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You know, we were always in those woods, so I

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was like, oh, yeah, I'm going.

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And it's maybe five pm, five pm, and they're mushing

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up this hill. I mean, they're going. We had this

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pump house, and there's a hill right behind her pump house,

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and you can see off into the distance quite a ways,

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but it's all uphill. So we're we're going out that way,

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and that's our kind of like marker when you're coming back,

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is if you can see the pump house through the trees,

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you know, you could, you know you're on your way home.

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So we just continued going that one direction. We wouldn't

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kind of deter from the path too much. So we

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were going for maybe an hour an hour and a half,

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walking just straight, and then it started getting pretty dark,

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and I, because of the previous experience, had been like

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not a fan of being out there in the dark.

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And this person I was with, they didn't have a flashlight,

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and they're just like, okay, well turn back then, you know.

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I'm like, okay, yeah, I know. The way I was

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confident in myself, I was like, nah, I can get

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home if I start mushing back, like I'm just trying

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to get back. We've walked three or four miles. Now

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I can't see the pump house. I can't see or

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hear anything besides the woods around me. And now now

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it's dark. It's like after sunset, like maybe seven thirty

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seven forty five, and I'm starting to hear something behind me,

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like I hear cracking behind me, and I'm like, oh no,

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and I stop and I turn and I'm hearing the

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cracking and it stops as I stopped, and gosh, it

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gives me chills talking about it. So I'm panicking at

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this point in my head. I'm like, either I book it,

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book it for the house. Whatever's following me will chase

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me down, and it either it gets me or it doesn't,

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you know.

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I'm like, I don't know what else to do.

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So I yell for you can keep her name if

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you want, but I yell for him, like help me,

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can you hear me nothing? And then I hear the

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cracks start moving towards me, and fight or flight kicked

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in and I booked it as fast as I could

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through these woods. I'm jumping over sticks, logs, tripping on

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branches just I mean, it's thick brush, it's not just

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the trail. And I hear it behind me, and I

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hear huge steps, I mean, like it's not quick steps

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like mine, Like it's like and it's keeping up with me.

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And in the next second, I hit the ground. I

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actually trip. I fall into this mud and I remember

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getting it all over my face and my shirt and

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my eyes and my eyes are just on fire. I

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have mud in my eyes. I'm panicked. I'm full panicked.

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At this point, I get up. I don't hear footsteps anymore,

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and I'm like, I need to get out of here.

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Something is chasing me. And I don't know how I

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did it.

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I still to this day, I have no idea how

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I got got there. But I got to my porch

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and I'm my eyes are just on fire. My mom

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hears me screaming outside, screaming from the hills, and I

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get inside and as my mom is washing this mud

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and dirt out of my eyes, I'm still like stunned,

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like what was that and ever since then, I never

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took that trail. You know, I just I don't know

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what was trailing behind me. It wasn't a cat. If

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it was a cat, I feel like I would have

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been eaten, eaten since I was, you know, running, You're

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not really supposed to do that with cougars or bears.

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Even you're not supposed to turn your back and run.

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You're supposed to stand your ground. And I ran, and

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whatever it was, it ran with me like it was

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playing a game with me.

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But yeah, freaked me out.

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That is man, how traumatizing that could have been. Was

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that a traumatizing event for you?

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Hmm?

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Yeah, absolutely. I still get chills. I still to this

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day have no idea how I got to that porch.

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I hadn't seen the pump house quite yet through the trees.

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I just remember I was hoping to god I was

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going the right way, and we only went one direction,

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so I was like, if I just run this direction,

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I should get there. And I fell before I could

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see the pump house, and I had so much dirt

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in my eyes. I couldn't see that well. It was

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blurry and my eyes were on fire. So I'm just thinking, oh, well,

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I'm gonna I'm gonna die now.

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Whatever Jason me is gonna get me.

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Wow, thinking back to when you're hearing the huge steps

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behind you, they're keeping up with you. How far back

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would you estimate that they were.

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When I first heard it, I know it was at

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least I mean, at least ten or fifteen feet from me.

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I could hear it right there, and it was such

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thick wooded area. I couldn't see anything, and I'm like,

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oh crap, is that a cat am I going to

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get eaten by a cougar now? So I was like, Okay,

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I'm just going to keep going. I don't see anything

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yet it's following me. I need to keep going, keep

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the distance between us.

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Right.

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But when I was running, it felt it felt close.

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It felt like at least ten feet from me. It

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felt like it you know, when you can feel like

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if you're in the dark and you can't see anything,

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you can feel if something's near you. It felt like

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it was near me. It didn't feel like it was

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off in the distance. And I had a minute it

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felt like it was playing a game.

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I mean, I would say so, I mean in that situation,

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that kind of large you know, bigfoot, potential creature chasing.

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I mean like if they wanted to take you out,

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they more than definitely would have.

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I mean it could have.

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Oh my goodness, it definitely could have. So and this

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was dusk or was it now dark at this time?

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So it was dusk too dark By time I got

464
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to the porch, it was dark. It was after the

465
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.559
sun had set. And you can still see everything. It's

466
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:28.839
not pitch black. It's still like you can see the

467
00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:31.359
pump house in the distance, you can see our barn

468
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:37.440
at the end of the the cutout property line. But

469
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.039
but the running, it was like I could see the

470
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:45.200
sun going down right, so just casually getting darker and darker.

471
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.079
So in my head, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, it's dusk.

472
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.960
It's time for animals to come out and hunt. And

473
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:54.480
I thought I thought it was a cougar at first.

474
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:58.079
But when I heard the steps, it didn't sound like

475
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.039
a four legged thing running after me like that or

476
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:05.839
a bear. I didn't hear anything besides huge steps that

477
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:09.240
matched mine but were longer stride, like it was just

478
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:10.200
longer strides.

479
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:11.920
It sounded like a big frickin thing.

480
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:17.400
Absolutely, And so you at this time when you're running back.

481
00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:23.000
Your friend is not with you, right.

482
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:22.880
They're still all hunting up in the hills.

483
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:26.759
Okay, So they continued further right, And so my question

484
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.640
then is were you ever able to have a conversation

485
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.119
with your mom's friend about how their trip was when

486
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:34.920
they came back.

487
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:36.519
Yeah?

488
00:26:36.680 --> 00:26:40.640
Yeah, absolutely. So I waited for them on the couch.

489
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.759
I was like, my eyes are burning still. I'm just

490
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.119
like I can't wrap my head around what happened. And

491
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:49.960
they got home way after dark. I mean they were out.

492
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.839
It was her and another person. They got home after dark,

493
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:59.160
way late, so maybe two hours after sunset. And I'm

494
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.039
running up to them. I'm like, you won't believe what

495
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:04.839
just happened to me? How are you guys here? Like

496
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:06.720
did you hear it? And they're like what? And I'm

497
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.319
like a thing? It chased after me? Did you hear

498
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:11.599
me yelling? And they're like, no, we didn't hear you yelling.

499
00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:13.559
And I'm like, how far were you guys? You guys

500
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.680
were like right behind me. I felt like they were

501
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:22.000
not that far, Like I hadn't left them that far behind,

502
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.079
you know before when I turned around, I just felt

503
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.000
like they were closer than that. And they must not

504
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:31.200
have been, because I mean, they were still mushing up

505
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:34.400
the hill, so I'm guessing the distance created in between

506
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.680
us was a lot more than I expected, so they

507
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.200
had nothing happened. They said that they didn't hear anything,

508
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.559
they didn't see anything, hear anything. They said that I

509
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.319
was kind of being weird and crazy. They're like, maybe

510
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.440
it was a cougar, and I'm like, it wasn't a cougar.

511
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:51.599
Stopped talking to me like that, it wasn't a cougar,

512
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.640
and they're like, but you know, that's the only thing

513
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.920
out here, and I'm like, that's not true. I was like,

514
00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.440
that's not true. You don't know that, I said, And

515
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:01.920
you don't know what just happened to me. And they

516
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:04.480
argued with me, you know, hey, you're home now, why

517
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:08.480
are you worried. I'm like, well, it just happened right

518
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.640
outside our you know, property line. I don't understand why

519
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.680
you're not freaked out about this. And then the conversation

520
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:16.319
kind of ended.

521
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.119
We never really talked about it. I didn't bring it

522
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:18.559
up again.

523
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:21.519
I kept it to myself because you know, I can't

524
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.400
I can't convince somebody to believe my experiences. I can

525
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.279
only share them, and how you perceive them and how

526
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.279
you feel about them.

527
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:33.000
Is up to you, absolutely, And I mean it's it's

528
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.519
terrible when someone like yourself other witnesses have to go

529
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.640
through something like that where you're trying to talk to

530
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.240
someone and they don't believe you or did you say,

531
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.640
you know, it sounds like you're acting crazier or weird,

532
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.400
or it's like why can't we just you know, believe

533
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.720
what the person is sharing and help them through that.

534
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:55.680
So I'm sorry you had to go through that. Now,

535
00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:03.000
this is how what's your approximate age when this happened? Again?

536
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.519
Oh? I think I was a well I had to

537
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.200
have been just getting into middle school. I'm guessing what

538
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.039
is it, like twelve or thirteen, maybe even older, a

539
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:14.640
little older.

540
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:20.799
So I mean really it's it's somewhere between like twenty

541
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:25.480
thirteen to twenty fifteen. Probably. Oh my goodness, it's so recent.

542
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:30.799
That's crazy. It's so it's it's very interesting. A lot

543
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.240
of my witnesses I talked to it's like twenty thirty,

544
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.880
forty years ago stuff. And when you are getting to

545
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.319
talk to someone that's like ten years ago, that's that's

546
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:44.960
really unique. So now or more for this area for

547
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:51.200
some reason. So you had man that second experience. If

548
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.119
I went through that would really really messed me up

549
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:58.319
for a while. How was it then? I mean, you've

550
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.640
already said you're not you don't go out to that

551
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.000
area anymore. How has that effected you? Sense?

552
00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.799
I think as I got older, I got braver.

553
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.440
So I practiced ghost hunting for a while and I

554
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.720
went to a couple of really spooky, freaky places out here,

555
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:17.640
and then I bought some equipment.

556
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.200
I was like, oh heck, yeah, I'm gonna do this

557
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:21.799
for real, like actually.

558
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.000
Try it out. And I am heavily spiritual. I believe

559
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:28.000
in that kind of thing, and bigfoot, I believe in aliens.

560
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:28.920
I believe in all of that.

561
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:34.160
It's kind of it'd be dumb of me to be

562
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:38.880
so close minded as a human being. So I'm intrigued.

563
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:42.799
So it didn't affect me as negatively. I thought, I

564
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.599
don't go out in the dark alone. I have to

565
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.960
have somebody with me. I'm terrified of the woods at night,

566
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.440
even when we go camping up in Vernonia, which isn't

567
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.799
far from there. That's our favorite place to camp is

568
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.720
up there, and I do get freaked out at night.

569
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.839
I have a hard time sleeping and thinking, not thinking

570
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.799
of those two stories specifically.

571
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:06.440
But I went up.

572
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.720
To that property, and that property has since been it

573
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.279
was bought. I'm not I'm not encouraging to go on

574
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:16.519
to somebody's property without permission. But no, I went exploring

575
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:19.920
up there. I went exploring up there. I was curious, Hey,

576
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.519
I want to go check out this property with my

577
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.200
ghost stuff.

578
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:22.440
You know.

579
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.599
As soon as I walked into that that property line,

580
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.720
I instantly just I felt like it was wrong.

581
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.079
I was like, I I can't do it.

582
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.839
I had there was a mental block where I'm like,

583
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.599
I am too scared. I don't want to find out

584
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.480
what's here. I don't want to see anything. I don't

585
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:43.400
want to have it come to me again.

586
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:44.640
It knows me.

587
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.880
It felt like personal, like it knows who I am,

588
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:51.160
and it'll know that I'm here, you know what I mean,

589
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.160
Like territorial. It felt like my body is like, don't

590
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.039
do this, so I didn't.

591
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:57.880
I turned around.

592
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.640
I would ghost hunt any anywhere else, or like explore

593
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:05.559
in the woods anywhere else with my friends towards young adulthood.

594
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.640
Now just like nope, I will not go up to

595
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.079
that property. It was a beautiful property then, I mean

596
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:16.240
it was absolutely gorgeous, but now it's just kind of abandoned.

597
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.160
Have you ever heard of any things happening over at

598
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:26.000
Camp Wilkerson or anything weird or bigfoot type things over there?

599
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:31.079
Just at stories offline that I've seen on my own,

600
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:34.160
Like they have those forums where you can go and

601
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:38.359
check your area for alien and bigfoot sightings, and Camp

602
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.680
Wilkerson's a hot spot apparently.

603
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.920
So is that Is that like bfroo site or you're

604
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:45.480
finding those on other things too.

605
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:48.920
I think it's just I think it's just another site.

606
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:50.559
It's just a blind search.

607
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:59.640
Cool interesting, it's it's so so very interesting. And I

608
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.559
know that the guy I was talking about earlier, Henry Franzoni,

609
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.119
he would research the Misst area too. I guess that

610
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:11.920
was a pretty active small town area. But really, I

611
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:16.559
think that whole, like Vernonia you mentioned, missed r near.

612
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.559
I've talked to people that have had stuff happen in

613
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:25.480
Deer Island down in Saint Helens. It's like that whole area.

614
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:32.000
It's just south of thirty and or I guess thirty

615
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.519
kind of wraps around It's it's it's gotta be weird.

616
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:38.240
Yeah, I think it's a hotspot.

617
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:42.599
And because it's such a huge wooded area. I mean

618
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.519
we're surrounded by the most beautiful forests out here, Like

619
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:49.079
this area is so gorgeous.

620
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.240
I mean, if I were a big Foot, this is

621
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:51.839
where I would be.

622
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:55.839
The rivers, the creeks, the wooded area to hide in,

623
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:59.400
you know, and even for animals, the animal life out

624
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:00.799
here is so extraordinary.

625
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.480
So oh sure do you think it is being actively

626
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.799
looked at for bigfoot activity right now? Do you ever

627
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:12.239
hear people or see people driving around with like bigfoot

628
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.599
cars or anything weird like that.

629
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:21.440
Honestly, no, which kind of surprises me talking about it

630
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.679
now with you. When I saw your TikTok on Rainier,

631
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.800
I was like, no, way, finally somebody's talking about the

632
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.079
weird stuff that happens out here. You don't hear about

633
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.639
Rainier very often, but even Columbia County as a whole,

634
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.559
I don't hear that many things, and you don't see

635
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.880
anybody investigating it or talking about it.

636
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.880
So yeah, absolutely, are there any other weird things you've

637
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.000
I mean, not necessarily maybe bigfoot, but it sounds like

638
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.280
you're into the weird stuff in the Columbia County is

639
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.159
your area. Have you heard of any other things that

640
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.519
have made you take notice, maybe paranormal wise or other

641
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:00.960
cryptos or things like that.

642
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:09.800
Absolutely paranormal specifically, like spirits and things people. People don't

643
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.400
realize how active this community is and some of the history.

644
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.920
There's some creepy things that have happened over the years,

645
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.920
even since the seventies, like events happening that have caused

646
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:25.000
things to be creepy, you know. So the Masonic Cemetery

647
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.719
in Saint Helen's, Oregon, it's kind of hard to get to.

648
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.400
I don't recommend going unless you have permission, of course,

649
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:38.039
but I've investigated there and it's given me some pretty

650
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:44.840
scary results, which terrifying, terrifying things. I mean, even there

651
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.079
at the cemetery, we were investigating this one night and

652
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:50.679
it's pitch dark. I mean, it's got to be like

653
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:55.360
three in the morning, and we see this like pair

654
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:57.159
of eyes in the in the bushes, and we were

655
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.079
talking about cougars and things, and sure enough, we a

656
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.360
cougar stalking us in the cemetery while we're doing this investigation.

657
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:08.360
So I'm like, I know what a cougar stalking somebody

658
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:11.360
is I feel it, I see it, and we all walk.

659
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.519
We were in a group, we were.

660
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:17.360
Safe, but you could see the cougar actually stalking us

661
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.199
through the bushes, and it was dead, silent.

662
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:20.599
We couldn't hear it.

663
00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:22.639
All we could do is see it, see it, see

664
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.320
its eyes and its crouch position watching us.

665
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:28.239
So that was our cue. We're like, all right, time

666
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.440
to go. But as for.

667
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.599
Creepy things, I mean paranormals everywhere. Anywhere you go. Paranormal

668
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.639
is everywhere. If you're looking for it, it's gonna find you.

669
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:39.760
That's what I believe.

670
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:42.960
You get.

671
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.199
The energy that you put out into this world is

672
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:50.639
what you shall receive. So if you're hunting for creepy

673
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.840
scary things, you will find creepy scary things out here,

674
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.519
including sasquatch. If you're looking hard enough in this kind

675
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.440
of area. I do believe that you would find evidence

676
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:02.239
of sasquatch.

677
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.559
Oh, I know one hundred percent you would be. You'd

678
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.280
probably just all it would take is driving out on

679
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.159
all those roads you've got out there, and you're gonna

680
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.320
start finding all sorts of I'm sure. Do you see

681
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.199
stuff like where it looks like trees have been twisted

682
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.239
and weird stuff out there. Do you ever see stuff

683
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:23.480
like that?

684
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:24.119
Absolutely?

685
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:27.719
Absolutely? Yeah, Yeah, it's just like over in Mount Hood

686
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:32.440
National Forest sounds like, which is another really active area

687
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:36.960
a lot of people know. But my goodness, this is

688
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.320
a fascinating conversation about an area that is on the

689
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:46.079
list to check out someday hopefully. I mean, you just

690
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:47.960
go north or in there and then you're going into

691
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.840
even more wild stuff. I mean, it's just the gateway,

692
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.920
one of the gateways to Washington and Mount Saint Helens

693
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.239
and all that. But thank you so much, Ellie for

694
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.920
in some time with me today. I want to make

695
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.119
sure that you were able to share everything that you

696
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.679
would want to share about your encounters today.

697
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.159
Absolutely. Thank you so much for giving me the space

698
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:14.280
to share these stories. I mean I've held them deeply

699
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.719
and haven't told them in years to really anybody, so

700
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.719
you're the first to care to listen.

701
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:22.000
Thank you so much, absolutely, and I do not take

702
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.360
that for granted. Thank you for trusting us enough with

703
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.559
those to share them. If anyone else wants to reach

704
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.559
out with their encounters as well about this area or

705
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.679
other areas, you can send me an email. Big for

706
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:35.800
society at gmail dot com. But thank you so much

707
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.639
Ellie for hanging out today. Hey Monty, how are.

708
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.400
You, hello, sir?

709
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.000
Good afternoon, Hey, good afternoon. Feel free to share your

710
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:45.920
experience there.

711
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:53.119
The year was nineteen ninety eight. I was living in Miami, Florida.

712
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.519
I was around the twenty years of age out at

713
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:03.760
the Mikusuki Indian Reservation, which is right next to the

714
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:08.519
Florida Everglades at the time. Now this day and age,

715
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:10.960
there's a big casino in that area now, But that

716
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:16.679
used to be all just wetlands. We used to after,

717
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.480
you know, like drag racing and things like that. We

718
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.920
used to bog race out there over big trucks and

719
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.519
wheels and all that good stuff. So we were knee

720
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:31.519
deep in there. This happened to me around maybe two

721
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.440
in the morning. My truck would not start and I

722
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:40.000
was on the side of the road, and the first

723
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:44.199
instance I got that I was not alone was this

724
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.159
smell of like, I don't know, it was like worse

725
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:52.800
than a skunk. I got out of the car to

726
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.440
see if I hit something or maybe something was close by,

727
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:03.800
but I didn't see anything, but know something. I got

728
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.159
back in my truck I called a friend and they

729
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:11.039
would eventually get there, but about two and a half

730
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.800
hours later, so I was alone for that amount of time.

731
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.599
In that amount of time, something brushed up against my

732
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:23.480
little truck that it rocked it back and forth quite.

733
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.760
A few times.

734
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:33.199
I just it was definitely bigger than my truck. And

735
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:37.800
at the time, I had a nineteen ninety two Bronco

736
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.960
two and I had about thirty five inch tires, so

737
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.360
it was pretty lifted. And that thing was taller than

738
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:53.559
my truck, and it rocked it like a toy. I

739
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:59.440
saw it looked like a man, but the facial features

740
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:06.920
were the nose was thicker and bigger. Uh, the his eye,

741
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:11.199
his eyebrought range. His forehead was a lot bigger. You

742
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:16.119
could tell that there was muscular Uh how would you say,

743
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:22.119
like almost like a gorilla, but bigger. And I mean

744
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.639
the smell was was horrible. I had to put my

745
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:27.760
shirt over my face to like try and breathe that

746
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:32.760
way because I just couldn't. Yeah, I couldn't breathe correctly.

747
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:36.360
I got rocked back in horrible a couple of times.

748
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:41.840
I had enough power in my car to uh lift

749
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.119
off the power windows, so I kind of cracked it

750
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:49.800
up because just a little bit so I could breathe somewhat,

751
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.920
and I got rocked back and forth quite a few times.

752
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.599
Uh at. I guess at the very end, I was

753
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.880
able to hit the horn and I find he, you know,

754
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.800
finally let out a little bleep, you know, the battery

755
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:08.280
was dying, and this thing picked up the car from

756
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.960
the front and dropped me back down. So I got it.

757
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.960
I'm pretty sure I at least a foot off. I'd say,

758
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.199
maybe maybe a little bit more, but yeah, it was

759
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.079
enough for me to be like, oh shit, this guy's

760
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:19.960
picking up the truck.

761
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:28.480
Oh my goodness. Wow. Uh yeah. So when you're seeing it,

762
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.480
it's right there, like right up next, like it's feet

763
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:32.719
away from you or less.

764
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.280
It was on the hood pretty much right there on

765
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:41.079
the Yeah. Yeah, I could see his face clear, clear

766
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.199
as day with the amount of light I had from

767
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.079
my phone at the time, which at the time was

768
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:50.159
an early flip phone, like a Motorola flip phone. So

769
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.239
I was just using the glare of the screen to

770
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:54.280
kind of look outside the window see what it was.

771
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.519
And yeah that I mean, I was sitting in my

772
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.199
truck like this thing is bigger than I am.

773
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:01.800
Yeah.

774
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.239
It definitely was not a bear, because bears don't live

775
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:09.239
in that part of the Everglades. It wasn't a man,

776
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.760
but it was definitely something bigger than a man.

777
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:16.599
Did it have any particular expression to it face?

778
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.119
It was not growling, but you could tell like when

779
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:22.320
you would you know, when you usually bite your tongue

780
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.400
or you're you're grinding your teeth. It was doing that

781
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:30.039
type of motion with his face, like I like, if

782
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:32.639
I must have disturbed it or something as I was,

783
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.480
you know, I was just leaving the area on my

784
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.760
truck started losing power, so I pulled off on the

785
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:43.199
side of the road and that that was it. I

786
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.000
mean I tried, you know, cranking it and starting it,

787
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:48.639
so obviously it's going to make starter noises trying to

788
00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:49.079
crank it.

789
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:49.280
You know.

790
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:53.719
Maybe that's what disturbed it. Maybe it was on the

791
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:55.960
side of the road, sleeping somewhere. Maybe it was a

792
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:59.159
little bit further in the brushes and I didn't notice.

793
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.400
But I mean, I wasn't trying to disturb them or anything.

794
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:06.360
But the expression on this guy's face was like I'm

795
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.639
pissed off, but I'm not too pissed off, you know.

796
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.599
It's more like more like you're a nuisance get away

797
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:13.679
from my area, but.

798
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.880
Not Yeah, yeah, I can't believe I'm up for this,

799
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:22.840
right right? Yeah, that's that's why have you heard of

800
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.119
other people experiencing things in that same area?

801
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:31.519
Yes, the Mikusuki tribes there, they have stories, really, yes,

802
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:36.079
they have stories. I mean I went back there maybe

803
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:38.920
about two weeks later, because it's like it used to

804
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.920
be a hangout spot for us to go race and whatnot,

805
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.840
because nobody would think, you know, teenagers would be inside

806
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:51.199
the everyglades bog racing, you know. Yeah, that whole the

807
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.480
exact spot that happened. Now when I went back to

808
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:57.840
Miami just to visit, is turned into a big casino

809
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:02.639
area and there's a entrance for airboat rides. And you

810
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.599
talk to the tribes people there and they tell you, oh, yeah,

811
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:09.079
that's the skunk man. According to them, they've had stories

812
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.239
for years. Ye had years and years.

813
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.920
Yeah, Tate, my buddy Ta Harnmus from from down there

814
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:18.719
is in the commons. He says, he's it's a good

815
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:20.840
area down there. I was I was curious if you

816
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.719
had thoughts about that, Tay. So I'm glad to hear that.

817
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:26.440
But Montie, thank you so much for coming up and

818
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.239
sharing what happened to you down in the U in

819
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:31.400
the Everglades area that one day.

820
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:34.320
Can I add a little bit more?

821
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:36.880
Yeah, absolutely so.

822
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.760
I when I joined the service, like most like combat chief.

823
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.599
When I joined the service. Uh, there were things that

824
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:50.199
we saw in Afghanistan in a raq that I mean,

825
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.719
I don't it would have to be a bigfoot of

826
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.800
sasqua or something along those lines. It definitely was not human.

827
00:45:58.039 --> 00:45:59.920
I'm really curious about. So you were in a f

828
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:08.840
Dhani a Stan you're saying correct, Oh wow, okay, Candahar region, Yes, yep, yes, okay.

829
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:16.000
And usually middle of the night, Uh, you start hearing

830
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:22.440
things like whoops, you know you're here. They're usually like

831
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:29.679
loud yells. They start growling too. If you do manage

832
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:34.719
to find one or see one from a distance, it

833
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.639
looks like a person. Obviously you know you're covered head

834
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:41.239
to toe in gear, but this person had no resemblance

835
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.760
of having a backpack or gear or arms of any kind.

836
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.039
It was just the silhouette of something bigger than you.

837
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:50.960
Even from a distance, you could tell this does not

838
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.079
look human. I am I am six foot. This thing

839
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.440
is clearly bigger than me, or I have to look

840
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.400
up to look at the the silhouette or prison's face.

841
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.199
I can tell you of an experience I had. It

842
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:08.039
was about four thirty in the morning, and I was

843
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.440
not twenty one. There were twelve of us, and we

844
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.480
were all looking at each other like we just see

845
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:18.239
what we just saw. We were out there in the

846
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:23.000
mountain somewhere this We did not need binoculars of any

847
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:24.960
kind to see what we were looking at. It was

848
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:31.920
that close to us, and it freaked everybody out. And

849
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.639
these are grown men with weapons. We have no idea

850
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.800
what we're looking at. But it definitely was not the

851
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:45.039
intended target. But it definitely let us know you're not

852
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:51.519
welcome where you're at. We had rocks thrown at us,

853
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.199
and not little pebbles we had. We had rocks, I

854
00:47:54.239 --> 00:48:00.039
would say, baseball or bigger thrown at us. Okay, and

855
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.039
it would not stop. It would not stop shouting or

856
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:04.039
whelping or whooping.

857
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.519
You know, yeah, yeah, it was doing woops. But it

858
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.079
was also was it yelling things at you as well?

859
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:11.480
Or was it mainly whoops?

860
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.480
No, it was it was yelling a lot. When by

861
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.320
the time we left as to start up and keep going.

862
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:25.719
We heard responses from others in the same area, so

863
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:26.920
it was not alone.

864
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:31.320
Yes, there were multiple, multiple creatures that were making sound. Yes,

865
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:35.639
oh wow, okay, yes, sir. How far away from you

866
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:36.679
do you think they were?

867
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:44.639
Uh? We were maybe fifty or sixty feet from them

868
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.039
or from the first one that we saw.

869
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.639
Okay, yeah, okay, gotcha. Yeah.

870
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:51.480
Yeah.

871
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:54.280
You said you were able to see it through binoculars.

872
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:54.760
Is that right?

873
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:56.000
Yes, sir?

874
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:59.639
What did you? Can? You describe what you saw through

875
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.119
those binoculars as fast as you can?

876
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:07.320
So we took a picture before it was dark in

877
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:11.599
that same area where the creature was standing. If I'm

878
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.719
six foot tall, this thing was clearly eight or nine

879
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.880
feet tall. Through my binoculars. It looked like he had

880
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:23.239
a medic fur, like either grayish or brownish meted fur.

881
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.679
It was a stocky built, stocky, stocky built h The

882
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.159
forehead was not like the one I saw when I

883
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:37.960
was younger. The forehead looked longer, like a taller.

884
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:40.960
What color was it?

885
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.880
It was the forehead itself or the.

886
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:56.519
Like if I wouldn't Was it covered in hair as well?

887
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:57.079
You said?

888
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:02.159
Yes, it was covered in either dark gray almost brownish

889
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.920
in color. Okay, yeah, pretty much head to toe. Yeah,

890
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.920
the forehead was a lot bigger than the one I

891
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:13.159
saw when I was, you know, in my teens. The

892
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:15.599
one I saw in my teens, I guess may be

893
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:18.119
a juvenile because his head was a little bit smaller.

894
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.159
But the one that we saw later on in life,

895
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.880
this guy's forehead was clearly a lot bigger. You know

896
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:28.559
how they usually do it in the movies, you know,

897
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.960
they elongate the skull a little bit to make this

898
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:34.320
forehead look huge. Yeah, it was, it was. It wasn't

899
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:38.199
like that more or less. Now. We thought we thought

900
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:40.119
they were playing a trick on us at first, because

901
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.679
you know, somebody else, you know, you know, playing pranks

902
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.880
on each other or what not. But if twelve of

903
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.559
us are are here right next to each other, there's

904
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:54.880
only twelve of us, there shouldn't be anything else, you know,

905
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:57.480
And you can, you can, you can report this to

906
00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:59.599
whoever you want to report. They're gonna tell you that

907
00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.280
this regard and go on with what you're doing.

908
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.679
Absolutely. What year was this again?

909
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:11.199
That incident happened around two thousand and eight, two thousand eight.

910
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.519
Okay, when you're over there would you hear other people

911
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:18.360
sharing stories that were similar to what you had seen

912
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:19.000
or experience.

913
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.280
Yes, sir. When we go back to base the following morning,

914
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:26.840
we talked to some of the locals and they have

915
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.519
definitely seen and heard things before. Yes, they have said

916
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:33.519
that they live in the caves in the mountains.

917
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:39.159
Were in What kind of interactions were the locals having

918
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:42.280
with whatever was in the caves out there.

919
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.199
They have said that when they heard their sheep or

920
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.000
their animals out into the mountains, they could graze on

921
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.559
the little grass that's growing out there. They've had interactions

922
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.960
where they either have tried to take an animal or

923
00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:59.199
tried to get them away from the area by throwing

924
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.960
rocks and sticks at them if it's late at night.

925
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:05.159
They used to tell them that they would just hear

926
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.599
what we were hearing, which is a lot of whooping

927
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.480
and yell and yelling and things being thrown at them.

928
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:16.000
And most most of them have said, okay, you know

929
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.719
that happens. Okay, we start moving our herd and we

930
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:20.800
move away from the area as much as we can,

931
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:26.000
because I just don't get it as too far as

932
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:30.920
all the fighting that's been going on, I get it.

933
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.039
You might be one curious us to know what's going on,

934
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:39.159
But it's just if you don't want to be seeing

935
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:40.480
what are you doing out you know?

936
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:46.800
Absolutely, were you friends with any individuals that were special

937
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.800
forces that had interactions with them?

938
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:52.480
So my.

939
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:59.639
Mos was explosives and ordnance demolitions. I was EUD, so

940
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.400
I was stuck around with especially forces guys most of

941
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:07.800
the time I would tag along. So yes, I can

942
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:09.679
give you a couple of names out there. I don't

943
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:10.840
know if they're still active or not.

944
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:16.360
About how about you you can send me if you

945
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:18.760
could send me some messages, that would be interesting. I

946
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.280
don't want to get anyone because this is live and

947
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.800
I don't want to put anyone's information out there that

948
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:26.800
they don't want out there, if you know what I mean, gotcha?

949
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:32.159
Have you heard of any instances over there where there

950
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:40.800
were interactions that were negative not positive? And again, we

951
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:43.159
do have to be really careful how we say certain

952
00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:46.679
things because TikTok is very like you say certain words,

953
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:47.800
you get kicked off, you know what I mean?

954
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:54.000
Correct? Yeah, As far as negative, from what I've heard

955
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:56.880
from the village people there or de Dribes people there,

956
00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:02.960
they've never had anything where the individual attacked. You know,

957
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.280
it was just mostly noises and things being thrown at them,

958
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:09.800
you know, situations like that.

959
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:12.559
Okay, gotcha.

960
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:17.480
So the tribes people say you respect the individuals. You know,

961
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.519
they considered it like a spirit or a guardian. So

962
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.920
if you respect that individual's area and property, you know

963
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:26.920
they'll respect you right back.

964
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:27.159
You know.

965
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:32.000
No, absolutely. So you said you're there in two thousand

966
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:37.199
and eight, right, dirrect, And so that means when you

967
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.400
were there, did you hear of any events that happened

968
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.760
roughly six years five or six years prior in the

969
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:50.920
Kandahar region where there was an individual that was taken

970
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:54.239
out of the area by C. One thirty.

971
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:01.920
That was my first experience have anything out there of

972
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:05.599
that type, and that was my first inclination that there

973
00:55:05.679 --> 00:55:08.519
was something else going on out there. No, I've never

974
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:08.920
heard that.

975
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:15.280
That be Okay, you there's a there's a pretty popular

976
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.719
story where there was, uh it's let's say a tall

977
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.280
individual from kandahart in two thousand and two that was

978
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:30.119
taken out by special forces, thirteen feet tall, red haired.

979
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.039
But you never heard anything to do with that.

980
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.159
When you're out there, we're talking about the giants.

981
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.239
Yeah, that's one of but that's one of the words

982
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.000
that's going to get us in trouble unfortunately, on this

983
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.440
on this platform, which is like, why would that problem?

984
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.119
Why would that word get us in trouble? Right?

985
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:48.119
Right?

986
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:50.719
That doesn't make sense, does it, Monte. But that's why

987
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:54.360
I'm still not going to use it, unfortunately. But yeah,

988
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.599
that's exactly what I'm talking about. So that never came

989
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:58.519
up during your years of service over there.

990
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:03.960
No, sure, okay, sir, they would tell us any any

991
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.880
stories that you see, anything that you see. It's all taboo.

992
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.119
You keep it to yourself. Really, you don't say anything.

993
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:11.599
You don't say anything to anybody.

994
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:12.719
You know.

995
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.119
The reason I'm saying just now is I'm here back

996
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:17.599
in the States and it's been at least good twenty

997
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:19.400
five years and done, so you know.

998
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.960
Okay, So that's wild. So you you would have these

999
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:26.840
experiences and then you really couldn't talk to anyone about

1000
00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:29.920
it because you'd been told already, hey you see this,

1001
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.960
it didn't happen, correct, Oh my goodness, dude. Yeah.

1002
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.719
Yeah. Your only interaction if you see anything out there

1003
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:42.360
is with the enemy, and that's it. If you see

1004
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:46.599
anything else that is not the mission parameters you did

1005
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:48.880
not see it, you don't speak about it period.

1006
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:53.840
Wow. That is intense. That's really intense.

1007
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:58.519
So I have a question for you is yeah, I've

1008
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:01.480
had I've had more experience and since I live now

1009
00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:06.800
in Texas with Bigfoot or sasquash or however you want

1010
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:12.119
to name it. Oh, is it like do they find you?

1011
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:14.199
Do they come and find you? Like, do they know

1012
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.880
that maybe you had past experiences with them?

1013
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:18.440
Yeah?

1014
00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:23.880
So Manty. First off, I don't want to just skip over.

1015
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:26.239
Thank you for your service during your time in Afghanistan.

1016
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:32.880
I mean that with all genuineness, Thank you, sir. There

1017
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:36.519
are many people that I've talked to over a thousand

1018
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.320
people over the last few years, okay, and a lot

1019
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:43.320
of witnesses. They will have an experience and then they

1020
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:46.559
will keep having experiences, and people think that they are

1021
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:52.320
there's some connection that happens, or wherever area they go to,

1022
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:56.440
they are more maybe seen or noticed by whatsever there.

1023
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:57.000
We don't know.

1024
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.719
But yes, you're exactly right. And I don't know what

1025
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.159
area of Texas you're having these things happening, but there's

1026
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.079
so much there's so much big for activity, especially in

1027
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:11.719
East Texas, Southeast Texas, northeast Texas. That area of the

1028
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:13.280
state is very very active.

1029
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.800
So I live in San Antonio, but I frequently travel

1030
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:19.119
to Dallas and Houston.

1031
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:27.679
Yeah right, okay, yep, that's so okay. So is it

1032
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:29.480
something you can share, like what kind of things have

1033
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:30.840
you experienced in Texas?

1034
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:31.079
Then?

1035
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:36.320
So, usually there's just one route to go to for example,

1036
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:40.280
a Dallas, it's one highway straight up. I don't I

1037
00:58:40.360 --> 00:58:43.239
don't like that. I like to go in sightse east.

1038
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.840
So I like to take the small roads around, you know,

1039
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:49.159
the little, you know, little country roads to get around town.

1040
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:50.079
You know.

1041
00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:55.119
So I go through the state parks. I go through

1042
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:58.519
the little, lesser known highways and byways to get to

1043
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:03.599
where I need to go. I had an experienced recently

1044
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:08.519
at close to Austin, Texas. It was a Marble Falls

1045
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:15.719
is the little city that's there. Okay, there's an animal

1046
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.320
sanctuary not far from there. So there's a lot of

1047
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.280
zoo animals that you normally don't see in Texas living

1048
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:31.400
in then sanctuary. And for whatever reason, that area seems

1049
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.679
to be like a hotspot for what I've seen a

1050
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:35.440
couple of times.

1051
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:44.320
Yeah, So saying that you've had multiple sightings there. You've

1052
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.000
heard other people have sightings there.

1053
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:53.480
Fifteen plus fifteen plus times I've seen something or had

1054
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:54.880
an interaction with something there.

1055
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.559
Really, yes, sir, Oh my god, over how many years?

1056
01:00:00.920 --> 01:00:04.800
Oh, since let me see, I moved here in twenty twenty,

1057
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:10.239
so five years of frequent back and forth. So I've

1058
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.599
seen them within that amount of time about fifteen or

1059
01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:20.280
so times. The very first interaction was there's a rest

1060
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.679
area in Marble Falls where you can park on the

1061
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:26.119
side of the highway there and they have, you know,

1062
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:28.760
a little restroom and a little vending machine so you

1063
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.360
could get something to eat or whatnot.

1064
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:32.239
And the.

1065
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:37.960
Officer that I guess checks all the rest stop areas

1066
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:42.639
along the way tells you to not spend the night there.

1067
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:45.840
Go to a gas station or a restop area or

1068
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:48.639
a trucker stop, but do not spend the night at

1069
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:51.960
the rest areas because cars have been broken into. And

1070
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.079
he would say, not by people, but by something else.

1071
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:00.760
Really, Oh my goodness.

1072
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.320
Uh so that was my first Okay, there's something here.

1073
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.840
On the way back from that trip, I was coming

1074
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:13.559
from Dallas back to San Antonio, and it was around

1075
01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:16.559
I would say, maybe one thirty two o'clock in the

1076
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:19.559
morning and I stopped by that same breast area and

1077
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.199
I had to use the restroom. I knew there was

1078
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.519
a restroom there that was clean, I could go use it.

1079
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:31.440
So I stopped went in there, and something attacked the

1080
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:34.360
vending machine outside because it took all the food that

1081
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:39.800
was in it. You could hear that machine being rocked

1082
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.800
back and forth. It crashed on the floor. You could

1083
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.119
hear the glass breaking, and you could hear something like

1084
01:01:45.480 --> 01:01:48.199
somebody grabbing plastic bags. You know, they were grabbing all

1085
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:52.320
the food when I opened up. When I when I flushed,

1086
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.440
it must have been startled. And then I you know,

1087
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:57.559
washed my hands as quick as I could. I went

1088
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:02.960
outside bending machine on the floor. Ye you know, potato

1089
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:05.639
chips and candy on the floor, and you know, everything

1090
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:10.119
is broken. It was not like that when I walked

1091
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:10.920
into the restroom.

1092
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:14.079
Oh wow, how long were you in there for?

1093
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.280
I would say maybe maybe ten to fifteen minutes, And

1094
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:21.880
that's wild. Yeah, so it must have been there when

1095
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:22.440
I arrived.

1096
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:23.800
Oh yeah, totally.

1097
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:27.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it must have been there just watching

1098
01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:33.760
and waiting. Yeah. My most recent experience, it was actually

1099
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.960
this year in February, in that same area, not at

1100
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:41.719
the same breastop but in that same area coming back

1101
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:44.280
also from Dallas, so it was nighttime. I like to

1102
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.880
drive a night less traffic. You know, you could pull

1103
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.440
the windows down and just relax as you drive along

1104
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:55.440
that area. There's a lot of small creeks and rivers

1105
01:02:56.840 --> 01:02:58.920
right before you get to the big lake which actually

1106
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:02.039
has a dam, so you could stop at that at

1107
01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:04.079
the dam and kind of you know, sight see they

1108
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.599
have a they I don't know if they have them now,

1109
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.960
but they have where you put quarters in, so you

1110
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:12.840
could actually look at the sites, you know, m hm.

1111
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.360
You know. So if you stand in the Damn area,

1112
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.920
you could see the little hills and rivers and whatnot,

1113
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:24.599
and you could clearly see a day something was kneeling

1114
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:28.400
down by one of those rivers drinking water and you're

1115
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:30.960
not supposed to be in that area because you know,

1116
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:34.920
for whatever security reasons, you should never never be anywhere

1117
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:38.119
near Damn. Or you have electricity. You know, there's a

1118
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.679
small power plant there, you know, So whatever it is,

1119
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:46.840
there was kneeling down drinking water where you're not supposed

1120
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:47.000
to be.

1121
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:53.320
Wow, Okay, there's a question that's really good one. When

1122
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:55.880
you walked past the vetting machine. Were there any like

1123
01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:01.360
footprints or anything left behind by whatever head rocked it over?

1124
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:03.639
Wet prints?

1125
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:07.000
Wet prints? How long were they?

1126
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:10.599
I wish I had at the time. I wish I

1127
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:12.599
had a cast. I wish I had my phone. I

1128
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.559
wish I had something to take a picture of them.

1129
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:21.920
At least they were half wet prints, because the night

1130
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.119
before I had rained, so it was still kind of

1131
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:30.639
muddy out there. I were a size fourteen. Shoot, this

1132
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:38.119
thing was bigger. Okay, that's yes, Yeah, this thing was big.

1133
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:40.599
Okay.

1134
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:45.800
Yeah, whatever we're standing there clearly was was big enough

1135
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.880
to rock or just grab the vending machine and just

1136
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:52.639
yank it from where it's at. It took it off

1137
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:57.320
the steel braces that they had drilled into the floor.

1138
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:04.159
Wow, the time when you saw it drinking out of

1139
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:05.920
the water, was that the only time that you had

1140
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.480
gotten a visual in that area? Were there other times?

1141
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:13.719
I've had other times where I've seen more than one

1142
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:14.800
in the same area?

1143
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:16.559
Oh?

1144
01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:20.559
Really, yes, sir? Is that anything you'd be able to share?

1145
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:22.039
Oh?

1146
01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:27.079
Yes, most definitely. Marble Falls, which is about thirty minutes

1147
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:31.760
away from Austin, Texas, there is a kayaking place where

1148
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:33.599
you could rent a little kayak and go out, and

1149
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:36.599
you know, you do your thing on the river end

1150
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:41.000
or in the lake itself. I was kayaking with a friend,

1151
01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:44.199
so I had another friend who was with me, and

1152
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:48.239
they pointed out, seeing, aren't people supposed to be kayaking,

1153
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.480
They shouldn't be on the edges of the of the river. Well,

1154
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:53.559
we saw it was in the afternoon, so it wasn't

1155
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:56.559
the night, so it was clear as day. This is

1156
01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:59.400
one of my few instances where I've seen something in

1157
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:04.599
the middle of the day. It was three three individuals,

1158
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:08.400
a really tall one, I would say, one around an

1159
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:12.079
average human size, so five five feet six foot at

1160
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.960
the most, and a really really small one, so I'm

1161
01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:21.320
guessing a family, And we were coming up, you know,

1162
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.920
paddling our chayaks. As we were getting up to where

1163
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:33.760
they were at, the big one stood up. It threw

1164
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:37.679
something at us, I would I'm guessing a rock or

1165
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:42.199
a log or something, and the little one stood up

1166
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:46.800
and started running for the bushes. The middle sized one

1167
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.239
looked like it hopped on top of the big one,

1168
01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.159
and the big one took off running too. This thing

1169
01:06:55.400 --> 01:07:03.000
was almost pitch black and fur the from the river's

1170
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:07.880
end into the bushes. It's a for me, it would

1171
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:11.039
take me at least a good ten minutes to run

1172
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:13.119
across that. They did it in less than that. Two

1173
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:17.559
three minutes they were in the bushes. This thing ran,

1174
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:21.159
I mean, with somebody on their back, just ran right

1175
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:21.880
into the bushes.

1176
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:30.199
Wow. Yeah, yeah, if in.

1177
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:34.360
My experience, since I've seen these had experiences before, I

1178
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:37.800
wanted to actually, you know, get on shore and look

1179
01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.719
at the area and everything. But I had a friend

1180
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:45.679
with me and she was terrified. So yeah, right, yeah, yeah,

1181
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:48.039
I wanted to go out there and see if maybe

1182
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:50.920
they were still there or you know, see if there's

1183
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:54.320
any footprints or anything left behind or anything. But she

1184
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:56.320
was like, I need to get out of here. I

1185
01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:58.440
need to you know, we need to row out of here.

1186
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:00.840
You know, she will nothing to do with that situation.

1187
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:06.280
But yeah, uh it was a pitch black fur. The

1188
01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.559
things stood up. It looked like an upright gorilla. That

1189
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:12.320
sucker was huge and just ran right into the bushes.

1190
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:22.359
Oh boy, wow, up upright gorilla. That's fascinating. First off,

1191
01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:24.680
thank you so much for coming up in chadad Monte.

1192
01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:28.119
Maybe one more question for you, Yes, in this area,

1193
01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:31.479
what is the most what is the most scared you've

1194
01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:35.319
been during an interaction in this area of Texas?

1195
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:45.399
It was flooding. Uh this past year. Yeah, this past

1196
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.520
year Kerrville, which is another city close to Austin, he

1197
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:52.600
got and then it was he got flooded.

1198
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:53.319
Uh.

1199
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:55.960
There's a story about it on the news about a

1200
01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:01.920
summer camp for girls in Cerveville. Yes, I remember that, Okay,

1201
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.119
So that area is close to that where I usually

1202
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:08.560
go to kind of just past the time. It's about

1203
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:13.000
an hour away from Marble Falls, so it's in that area,

1204
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:18.760
in that vicinity. So after the flooding, it was raining

1205
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:24.439
real heavy lightning and thunder the whole nine to the

1206
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:28.199
point where you go into the little rest stops that

1207
01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:32.840
they have on the trails out there. And I would

1208
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:36.920
not say a negative interaction, but it was definitely aggressive.

1209
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:40.199
A lot of banging and a lot of kicking on

1210
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:43.720
the doors and windows of that little hut. It's a

1211
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:48.239
little it's a rest area hut where you could sit down.

1212
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:50.640
They have a map of the area. Inside, they have

1213
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:52.720
a place where you to wash up a little bit.

1214
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.520
There's a little machine for you to eat something. There's

1215
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:59.279
there's a big glass window on the front and there's

1216
01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:02.199
two small winds. It was in the back. It's it's

1217
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:06.520
air conditioned, and it's opened only until like eight o'clock,

1218
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:08.800
nine o'clock at night, and then I guess a park

1219
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:13.680
ranger comes along and closes it. So it's just before that.

1220
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:19.960
But mind you, because of the flooding, park rangers were

1221
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:29.399
not allowed to go into that area anymore. So throughout

1222
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:32.960
the day we saw people on bicycles and hiking because

1223
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:35.239
they wanted to see what the damage was to the park.

1224
01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:35.640
You know.

1225
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:42.800
So the river actually widened quite a bit because a

1226
01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:45.920
lot of the rock on the sides where it's mostly

1227
01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:48.279
mud and limestone, so most of that was gone. So

1228
01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:52.199
the river was a lot bigger now. So most of

1229
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.359
the walkway and the bike path and everything is gone.

1230
01:10:56.239 --> 01:11:02.199
So uh, would would the creature think that it was

1231
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:06.479
our fault, that that is that happened to it, or

1232
01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:10.880
or that happened to their area, their home. But as

1233
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:12.439
soon as we were in the building, and I was

1234
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:16.560
not the only one in the building banging and kicking

1235
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.960
like somebody banging and kicking on the doors, the windows

1236
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.079
were broken. The big window in the front. They threw

1237
01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:24.760
a big rock right through it.

1238
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:27.720
Oh, wow.

1239
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:33.279
I I could not pick up that rock myself. So

1240
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:37.439
they threw a rock that big enough that it cracked.

1241
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:44.880
It just shattered the glass. There. There was a family

1242
01:11:45.039 --> 01:11:45.319
with me.

1243
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:46.279
Uh.

1244
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:49.399
They had two little kids. Those little kids, I mean

1245
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:57.600
terrified beyond you know, beyond belief. Yeah, yeah, they the father.

1246
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:00.720
I told the father to get and the kids and

1247
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.000
put them in the little corner of the room and

1248
01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:05.279
cover them up with they had a little baby blanket

1249
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:07.439
and cover them up. There will be trying to figure

1250
01:12:07.479 --> 01:12:12.439
out what's going on. So me and this gentleman, after

1251
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.880
we saw that big rock come through the window, decided

1252
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:19.439
to go outside and see what. You know, who threw

1253
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:23.520
that or you know, we're not thinking it's it's bigfoot.

1254
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.359
You know, we're thinking they're individuals messing with us or

1255
01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:27.119
just you know.

1256
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:29.720
Uh.

1257
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:36.239
As we go outside, not one, not two, but four

1258
01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:43.680
are running away from the little hut and they the

1259
01:12:44.000 --> 01:12:47.880
inclination the slope to the little hill behind the hut.

1260
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:51.399
You would you as a person, would have to crawl

1261
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:56.399
on all fours to go up that fast. These guys

1262
01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:02.000
walking upright couple of steps, boom boom, boom, boom disappeared.

1263
01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:04.239
The gentlemen wanted to pursue them. I'm like, well, you

1264
01:13:04.319 --> 01:13:08.159
have a family to look after, you know, we should Yeah,

1265
01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:10.760
we should go back and see if they're okay, you know.

1266
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:15.880
Yeah, absolutely did they Yeah, so you mentioned one earlier

1267
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:18.279
you saw it looked like a big gorilla. Did Did

1268
01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:20.159
they look like that or did they look different?

1269
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:25.239
They look like that similarly? They like that, yes, sir?

1270
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:27.880
Okay, Oh my goodness. Yeah.

1271
01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:31.159
Yeah, for sure that there's a group of them out

1272
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:34.119
there somewhere in that area, for sure. Wow.

1273
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:37.399
Did you report this to the the rangers or the

1274
01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:38.960
workers in that area at all?

1275
01:13:40.640 --> 01:13:42.920
Uh? The park ranger at the at the entrance to

1276
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:47.119
the park. Yeah, uh, yeah, we want to report you

1277
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:51.279
know this. They never gave me a police report. They

1278
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:55.359
never gave me any more information on it. When I

1279
01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:59.520
went back about a month or two after that happened. Uh,

1280
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.000
I don't know what you're talking about, sir. You never

1281
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:07.600
spoke to me. Yeah, or the story I got later

1282
01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:10.880
on when I went back again. Just oh, the park

1283
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.000
ranger you're talking about, he doesn't work here anymore.

1284
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:16.680
So that's everything.

1285
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:23.399
Is everything disappeared? All whatever information happened, it disappeared. The story, Yeah,

1286
01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:25.920
the story that they said, was that the flood took

1287
01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:28.760
out the hut. Because the hut is not there anymore.

1288
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:34.800
That's crazy. Oh my goodness. I know you mentioned it

1289
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:36.880
was during the flood, but what's the approximate month and

1290
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:39.000
year of that again, that that happened.

1291
01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:40.760
That happened last year?

1292
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:50.319
Yep, okay, so twenty twenty five. Oh it looks like

1293
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:52.119
he is muted.

1294
01:14:58.039 --> 01:14:59.760
Oh here we go, Sorry about that.

1295
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:03.159
So one thing I wanted to bring up, because you

1296
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:07.880
said you're from San Antonio, keep an eye out there.

1297
01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:12.319
I've gotten many reports from San Antonio of bigfoot sightings

1298
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:14.279
on the outside of the city, but also in the

1299
01:15:14.319 --> 01:15:16.600
middle of the city, like that green space that goes

1300
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:18.640
through the middle of the city. So keep an eye

1301
01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:20.760
out even in the San Antonio area.

1302
01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:26.439
So there was a story recently of the Riverwalk in

1303
01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:29.800
San Antonio. So the river Walk. Everybody thinks that the

1304
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:33.600
river Walk is by the Alamo, which is smacked dobb

1305
01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:36.640
in the middle of downtown San Antonio, which although tourists

1306
01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:39.800
go there and everything, But the river Walk has three sections.

1307
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:42.920
It goes from the north of the city all the

1308
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:49.399
way down to the south of the city. And a

1309
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:52.439
lot of people saw something there. It wasn't just one

1310
01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:56.399
or two people. A lot of people saw something in

1311
01:15:56.520 --> 01:16:00.199
the Riverwalk area go from point A to point B

1312
01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:03.439
and it ran. It wasn't walking, it ran. It did

1313
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:09.920
not like to be looked at. Yeah, they they, you know,

1314
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:13.079
went on social media and all the all the media sites,

1315
01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:16.399
you know, but the news never reported anything like that.

1316
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:20.800
But people have been talking about it ever since. Something

1317
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:24.239
ran from one park end to the other park end

1318
01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:25.560
and disappeared into the bushes.

1319
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:26.439
Wow.

1320
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.720
Yeah, Wow. They were having a they were having a

1321
01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:32.640
renaissance festival at the park.

1322
01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:36.560
Okay, interesting, very very interesting.

1323
01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.479
Yeah. So there was a multitude of people there, not

1324
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:41.239
just one or two or three or four. There was

1325
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:44.880
a lot of people there, and from most people said,

1326
01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.800
the thing ran from one point of the park all

1327
01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:52.840
the way to the other without without stopping, and just

1328
01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:55.640
point A to point B, without looking at anybody, and

1329
01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:56.439
just ran for it.

1330
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:03.239
There's a guy that's a researcher down there. You should

1331
01:17:03.239 --> 01:17:06.239
look up if you look at Bear County Bigfoot. His

1332
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:10.560
name is Rod Nichols. He does stuff around San Antonio.

1333
01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:12.800
He might be a guy for you to talk to

1334
01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:16.000
about that area. But MONTI, thank you, thank you so

1335
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:18.479
much for spending so much time chatting with us and

1336
01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:23.079
sharing your experience. Has incredible, incredible accounts over the years.

1337
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:26.520
Man, thank you, Yes, sir, well, it actually it feels

1338
01:17:26.520 --> 01:17:29.119
a little bit good to you to talk to someone

1339
01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:31.720
that knows about this because I've had it held in

1340
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:33.239
myself for quite a while.

1341
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.600
You know, That's why I do this, So I'm glad.

1342
01:17:35.680 --> 01:17:37.000
I'm glad it helps you as well.

1343
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:42.199
No, no, ma'am or sir, I'm not a native. My

1344
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:45.800
parents are from Guatemala, but I was born in Chicago.

1345
01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:50.199
I've never been a native, you know. But I'm guessing

1346
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:56.079
for whatever reason, I'm attracted to you know, I don't

1347
01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:58.279
know how to explain it. It just happens every now

1348
01:17:58.319 --> 01:17:58.640
and then.

1349
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:02.279
There you go, there you go. Well, mantye, I'm going

1350
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.279
to check in with a few other people, but thank

1351
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:06.119
you so much for coming up. Hopefully you can hang

1352
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:07.399
out in the chat for a while.

1353
01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:09.039
Yeah, Sair, we'll do.

1354
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:19.600
Man, that was fascinating conversation. Before we wrap this episode,

1355
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:22.199
I want to say something directly to a very specific

1356
01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:25.720
group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch

1357
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:28.720
or forces, and if you've seen something that no one

1358
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:32.000
can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or

1359
01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:35.680
forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet. If you're

1360
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:39.039
a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,

1361
01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:42.239
or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or

1362
01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:45.840
working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed

1363
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:48.880
to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

1364
01:18:48.960 --> 01:18:52.520
search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks

1365
01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:55.680
that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

1366
01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:59.520
on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government

1367
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.239
contract and you've had something happen that you've never told

1368
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:06.880
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1369
01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:10.439
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1370
01:19:10.600 --> 01:19:14.199
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1371
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:17.479
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1372
01:19:17.600 --> 01:19:21.960
that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA,

1373
01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:25.720
or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1374
01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:30.479
then I want to talk to you, Even if it's anonymous.

1375
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.680
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1376
01:19:36.319 --> 01:19:38.720
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1377
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:43.520
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1378
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:48.920
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1379
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:51.800
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.

1380
01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.319
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1381
01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:57.439
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1382
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