She Watched Something Crawl Toward Her Horses. Then It Stood Up.

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you firsthand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey, please go to the CaringBridge link in the show notes.

0:42 Thank you. Trasher, how's it going? What's up, dude? I actually live in the... pacific northwest so prime bigfoot company or oh yeah you know country all right well the story that i tell sometimes when i'm talking to people and uh well i drive log truck i want to start off saying that um so when i started driving log truck i started you know asking people around you know saying hey what do you think about bigfoot and all that and never really got any feedback or anything like that um but one of the stories i like to tell because it's absolutely 100% real, is a couple years ago, I was with my boy's old lady, and we never really got along all that great, and we were arguing one time, and I decided, you know, I was just going to leave the situation and go drive around in the woods, and like I said before, I live in the Pacific Northwest, and there's this patch of woods up above Myrtle Point, where I live at, decided to go drive around up in there, and they were just getting ready to log it, so they had all this big-sized rock on the road. It was a freshly bulldozed road, out in the middle of nowhere. And I drive up there, and I get to this landing.

2:06 The trees are still there. They haven't logged the trees or nothing. I get up there, and I'm on this landing, and I shut my truck off, I'm sitting there just kind of listening to the birds chirping, just kind of relaxing, you know, taking a breather. And I start hearing what I assumed at the time, what I dismissed it as, was somebody was down in the bottom of this valley chopping firewood and they had this dog barking. That's what my mind like chalked up this sound to. That's what I was hearing. I was just like, you know, that's what I'm hearing. Somebody's chopping firewood and they got a dog. so I'm not really thinking nothing about it just sitting there like I said listening to the birds and I get out of my pickup and I'm standing on the edge of this tree line looking down through these trees really thick trees like I said they hadn't logged it yet and uh I start thinking to myself well I'm just gonna let this big like let a Bigfoot yell out I watched seen it on TV you know finding Bigfoot whatever whatever that guy's name is, the big guy, I'm going to start letting out one of his Bigfoot calls he does on TV, just kind of thinking I'm funny or whatever.

3:23 So I do. I let out this big old howl, like just like the guy on Finding Bigfoot. And that sound that I heard down there, the chopping wood sound with the dog barking, as soon as I let that howl out, dude, the whole forest went absolutely quiet, like deathly quiet. The hairs on the back of my neck started standing up. I'm like, man, this is, this is kind of weird. So I start kind of backstepping towards my pickup and I start hearing this grunting sound like, like, you know, coming up the trees. I'm like, what is this? You know what I mean? So I like peek off the side of this clearing down into the tree line. And I see these trees start swaying back and forth. I'm like, man, I got to get out of here. So I go run back to my pickup. Getting my pickup, man, I tore the whole inside of my door off trying to get in my pickup and get out of there. But it was like the whole timing thing, like this sound didn't sound like it was far away. Like, I don't know, at the bottom of this gully, which was probably, I don't know, 400 yards. But the timing wasn't right. You know what I mean? Like from how far away it sounded, by the time it would take me to get to my pickup, I would have been toast, whatever this animal was. So it was just super strange. And I chalked it up to being Bigfoot because, you know, after the whole event, I was watching some videos on YouTube or whatever about

4:54 tree knocking. And I'm like, man, that sounded exactly like what I heard. And I was having a conversation with my dad about it. And he's like, well, have you ever heard of, like, samurai chatter? I was like, no. So he pulls up this video and. No joke. It sounded, you know, it kind of sounds like dogs going, you know, barking at each other or whatever. I was like, and ever since then, I swear to this day that it was, it wasn't a bear. I live in the Pacific Northwest. I drive log truck. I know what animals sound like. It was not a bear. It was not a cougar. Craziest experience of my life.

5:38 So that's, that's some wild stuff. And that's out in Coos County, right? Yeah, Coos County. Yeah, dude, Coos County is wild. There are so many things that come out of Coos County. So, yeah, what you're saying lines up, dude, with some, well, I mean, you know, with Bigfoot. I mean, dude, that's so crazy that the woods responded in that way after you did that call like Bobo. Right. So cool. Yeah, Bobo was his name. Yep, yep. And I was thinking about it. I was like, the whole reason I coordinated that sound with, somebody was chopping wood with their dog was because I had drove through some farmland to get to this location that I was at so I was like you know whatever it's probably that but after thinking about it after a while I was miles away from anybody who could have been up.

6:27 There that's wild have you ever I guess first thing is have you ever been back to that spot. No I actually intentionally avoid that spot just because of. That one encounter sure uh have you ever talked to any of your your logging uh buddies and have they ever. Had any things happen out there as well. You know here and there but it's nothing like phenomenal like something like that it's more like oh i heard this weird sound when i was chaining down the logs or whatever it was it's never like something really intimate like that. Gotcha just it's just uh something that people have to deal with out there. It sounds like it kind of happens to most people that are out there, but dude, that's wild, man. Thank you for coming up and for sharing what you experienced.

7:19 Yeah, absolutely. I saw your, saw your live and I was like, man, I got a story for this guy. So I love it. I love it. I hope to see you later, man. Yeah. I'll catch you later. Have a good one. Bye. Hey, good stuff. Always great to hear from someone out there, in the western side of Oregon. There's a lot of stuff that happens in the Coos County area. Appreciate everyone hanging out. Hey, James, how's it going? All right, brother. Hey, good. Thanks for coming up, man. Well, dude, yeah, feel free to share what you experienced out there. Well, this is 2009. I was in my backyard out here. I was feeding one of the dogs. I was on top of my dog lot feeding the dogs. I just got done, and I noticed what I thought was a tall man peeking in my uncle's truck because he kept having people steal parts off his truck out in the country where he was doing some work at. And he decided to park his truck in my backyard. This truck, I measured everything. I measured the truck at six foot three and five eights. And I seen something parked in the, well, I seen something peeking in the window. And I'm like, now what? I got a thief in the yard. I'm not skeptic, but I was open-minded. I've seen all kinds of stuff, but this right here topped the cake. I seen it peeking in with his elbows. I'm like, wait a minute, that ain't a bear. Bears don't have elbows.

8:44 And I thought, well, this must be a basketball player in a monkey suit with stilts on. I'm like, no, because when I said, shoo, shoo, go on, get. Because it was like 930. I didn't want to disturb the neighbors by yelling at it. So I just, in a light voice, you know, I said, shoo, shoo, go on, get. And I was about nine foot in the air on top of the dog lot. And when this thing stood up, the top of the cab of the trucks come up to the bottom of his ribcage. I'm like, well, that ain't no bear. That ain't no man. What am I looking at? And then it shined yellow eyes, shined out of its eyes. I'm like, oh, crap. This is a Bigfoot. So there ain't no other explanation. And the top of his head had a dome-shaped head, yellow glowing eyes, Flat teeth.

9:31 I seen everything. I measured the distance the next day from where I was standing, 54 feet away. The footprints was three big potato toes. Measured the footprint from the toe to the heel, 17 inches long, a foot across at the toes, 75 inch across the heel, and one inch and seven inch deep in the ground. I jumped up in the air and could not make a print in the ground. I weigh 175 pounds and it literally crushed the root in the ground. beside this baby maple tree. I measured the height, that 9'6, the bottom where it was standing on this bottom limb to this cedar tree.

10:12 And the shoulders was wider than the cab of the truck. And this is an old Dodge pickup truck. And it took two strides and 36 feet. And you know like how a kid blows a bubble and it's like transparent? Well, it done that. And I'm like, are you serious? There's no wonder nobody can't see them. Because it didn't know I was there until I said, shoo, shoo, go and get it. And it didn't bother me or my dogs. I had a whole lot full of dogs. And it had no interest in it. The only thing it was interested in was trying to get something to eat. So then on, I left apples, pies, everything I get, and leave it out there in the woods. And I've seen it here recently.

10:54 And here in the woods, here in the hills of Brandenburg County, North Carolina. It travels, just like people do. And people say, oh, I heard a scream. It must be a different kind of Sasquatch. I'm like, no, that's the female. When you hear a high-pitched scream, Whistling, that right there is a female Sasquatch. And you hear the, yahoo, that is a male dominant Sasquatch. All these mountain monster shows, they say, oh, it's a different kind of Sasquatch. I'm like, no, it is a male Sasquatch. And the black hair, that's a young Sasquatch. The longer they live, the bigger they get. And we're smaller versions of Sasquatch because that's where we come from. That's why we walk up around two legs and got hair. But you got reptilians and amphibians because the human embryo is a tadpole swimming in a water sack in the mother's womb, then magically turns from an amphibian to a reptile to a mammal before the mother gives birth. So we're a mix between reptile, amphibian, and mammal, which come from Sasquatch. Sasquatch is the ones of the light.

11:59 I've seen one with my own eyes turn from. A beast. to an orb of light, and then disappear into nothing. And I'm like, what the world? If I just had a camera at the time, because back then, there wasn't no smartphones. I didn't have no camcorder or nothing. The only thing I had was a flip phone, but I didn't have it with me. It was inside the house. Only my dolls are a witness. And I've seen demons in the house, which I thought was a demon. But then a hunter in 2019 come across a Sasquatch that shine white lily, but size of mouth. I'm like, well, that's what I seen in the house. But it wasn't flesh.

12:42 It was a spirit form. And that's what same area. Yeah. The same house. I've seen what's supposed to be ghost. But see, when you when people see ghost, all that is, is the one above which. And a good book, it says. The Lord hovered over the earth and said it was good. He says, when he comes back, do not fear me when you see me, for I am the Lord. But he says, thou, I say unto you, I come down like a thief in the night and shine the everlasting light on you. Well, I've seen that in the house, and I'm thinking, well, if this is the Lord, and a hunter in the woods seen the same thing I've seen in the house, I'm thinking, well, the Sasquatch is the Lord. I would have never thought that, but I put the puzzle together because I've got a 256 IQ, and if I've got a 256 IQ, I can figure anything out. And that's what I figured out. The Sasquatch is the Lord.

13:33 James, I appreciate you coming up. Are there other people that see that in that same area? Everybody denies it. No one's seen it because no one gets out there. The only thing I want to do is shoot guns. See, they don't want to go around nobody shooting guns. I don't have no gun. That's why they showed yourself to me. Because they knew I wasn't no threat. I was just out there feeding my dogs with a bucket. You know? And they sensed that. Just like other animals can sense things, they got that sixth sense. They can sense if you're going to be bad or if you're going to be good, and then they'll show themselves. But if you carry out a gun and you're ruthless and everything, they can sense that, and they ain't going to show themselves to you. I even had an Indian friend told me, he said, they'll be standing right beside you and you won't even know it. Until that night, I didn't believe until I seen it. I'm like, they do exist. And then that was 2009. 2003, I seen an orange glow of light above the house. I'm around these, what they call lay lines. And this, you know, where all these big towers, big cables run up through the United States, like through the backwoods of everybody's house, you know, big towers they put in the back, back in the 1950s, they put all these big giant tower power lines through the United States.

14:50 Well, that's their runway. You know, where they do the Sasquatch hunting right here at the Henry River Mills. You heard of that? No, I've never heard of that. Well, they filmed the movie Hunger Games. Okay. That's where I grew up at. And they almost destroyed every house down through there. They about destroyed everything down there. They still got the houses up, but they blew a house up in that movie. That was one my cousin grew up in. They blew that house up in that movie. So you're saying that there's also Bigfoot that are seen down there? Oh, yeah. People seen it down there. They get ridiculed, you know, for even mentioning that. Then they want to believe in something in the sky, but it ain't from the sky.

15:34 He's in the underworld. He lives in caves and stuff. He ain't going to come out because he's full of hair. I mean, if you're full of hair, you ain't going to come out in the sunshine unless you're moving, you know. You're moving from place to place, just like people does. They go out and grow up, your parents, and then they grow up and move somewhere else. Same thing Sasquatch does. Don't go out in the woods with no gun or nothing because I know they don't like. But I'll keep in touch, brother. BMC, thanks for coming up. How's it going? It's going well. Awesome. What have you experienced, man? Well, I've had a couple of run-ins with Bigfoot. My major one was while I was fishing. I was probably 11 or 12 fishing. Got this creepy feeling that something was watching me. And as a kid, I got scared pretty quickly, but I turned around and ran out of the woods, and I ran into something tall and hairy.

16:32 Literally ran into it. And as I'm getting out to the edge of the woods in the field, I could hear it running through the woods away from me. Wow, so you actually, you felt the hair. Oh yeah, I ran into it. I can still see the picture of it spreading. I don't know if it was the stomach or chest or whatever, but it was gray, had like black guard hairs. Oh, my goodness. What was the smell like that close? I couldn't tell. I was too scared. No, I get you. That happens a lot, actually. A lot of people, they won't even– some senses will shut down. No, I totally get it, man. Do you mind sharing what.

17:17 Area of the U.S. I am in the east coast. I'm in Maine. Really? Oh, man. I don't get a lot of people from Maine. That's awesome. Wow. I've had a few, three encounters with them. I'm guessing is this probably northern Maine? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, like Katahdin, that kind of northern Maine? A little east of the Bigelow Mountain Range. Okay. Wow. What you experienced, would you say was closer to an ape or some kind of human?

18:02 Kind of a mix. Okay. Because they vocalize with me and stuff, but they just kind of stay out of sight. I'd see them once in a great while. Were you able to see any details of the face at all? No, no face. Okay. Okay. Just loud. I don't know if you'd call it a roar or what, but I've heard a little of it a few times and ran into one. Saw a group of probably four adults. Really? Yeah. And that all happened in the same area? Oh, yeah. Within a quarter of a mile from each other.

18:48 I bet this is a pretty remote area we're talking about. Yeah, it's not too remote, but yeah, we're a few miles out of town. Okay. Are there a lot of people that report seeing them out there? Actually, no. There isn't, really. I've looked. I never reported anything either, but I've had them sleep right next to my tent when I wake up in the morning. There's footprints all over the ground around my tent. How big are the footprints? Pretty big. Yeah. Probably 12, 14 inches maybe. Okay.

19:33 Interesting. Interesting. You mentioned, so you hear roar vocalizations. Do you hear anything else ever out there? A couple hoots, nothing major. I don't hear any talking or anything. But it was me. It was a 12th birthday party. We were outside playing in the snow. And all of a sudden we heard this roar from the corner of my house lot. And we all come running inside. And it was loud. It was extremely loud. And there was this big pine tree in the corner of our lot.

20:16 And he was hiding right behind that. And that's where we saw the four adults probably in the previous summer. There is, I'm looking at a map right now. So you said around the Bigelow Mountain range. Is there a park over there at all? I'm thinking Baxter State Park. Oh, okay. Gotcha. It's between there and Bigelow Mountain. It's right along the AT Trail. Oh, is it? Oh, man, that's wild. Wow. Okay. Okay.

20:59 Crazy stuff. Oh, man, thank you for coming up and for sharing what you experienced out there over the years. Oh, yeah, you're welcome. Absolutely. And that was great. I never have people talk about Maine. That is pretty special. Thank you, BMC. Hey, Slick, how's it going? Hey, Jeremiah, how you doing? Doing good. What brings you up there? Oh. When you first started, we did a lot of messaging on Facebook. I'm Henry H. on Facebook. We talked about the siege at Honebby. I gave you Jim Whitehead's name.

21:42 Oh, my goodness. Oh, wow. Yes. Holy mackerel. Okay. Wow. So I thought I'd call you. Colin, since you had asked me a couple of times. Anyway. When I was a kid, you know, all I knew is that they were in the Pacific Northwest and that Rogue went in Arkansas. Yeah, I live in southeastern Oklahoma. Right. Was brought up in the muddy, boggy bottoms. Not to be confused with Falk Boggy, Muddy Boggy Creek.

22:23 Right. Anyway. I was a freshman or sophomore in high school and I went out hunting with three men folk in my family. And we went out to a property that sits right on Muddy Boggy. And if you picture a rectangle, a long rectangle, you would drive in at the top right hand side and we parked right there and you'd walk and maybe a fourth of the way down and a fourth of the way across this rectangle. back to the left was a little bitty pond and it was a big slew there. My grandfather brought gravel in and ten horns and he made a little road. You had to walk on that road to come through there. We went on down to the end and we're squirrel hunting and we didn't have any luck. So we were come on our way back and you know, we were on our way to the truck on this little road. Anything that saw us would see that we're on our way to the truck. And my grandfather said, why don't we, Stop and see if any ducks liked. And so I went around to the farthest side of this little pond. And I wasn't there for maybe a minute. And I heard this footfalls. It was a giant. It was all I knew.

23:44 I didn't want to turn around. I didn't want to know what it was. Still to this day, I don't know what it was. I know that my little single shot. 410 was nothing that was going to. You know, that didn't even cross my mind. And that really freaked me out. And I heard the others start to move around. We got to the truck, and I said, did any of y'all walk behind me? And they said no. So that really, really tripped me out. And I would tell my friends, just close friends about that. And I'm going to tell you it all. When I was sitting there, I heard the footfalls. I had what I call an ungenerated, I generated an unconscious thought.

24:34 Yep. And it said, don't move and you'll be okay. So I went with it because I didn't have any other plan. I was just, I wasn't, you know, I was just still, I wasn't moving. I didn't want to know what it was. And then just shortly later, there was a buzzing noise come up in my ears and it got louder and louder and louder till I thought my head was going to blow off. And I quit thinking about the giant whatever this was behind me. And it just slowly went down, and I was like a dishrag. I was just worn out. When I got back up to the truck, I asked, did one of y'all walk behind me? And I already knew the answer. It was no. And all that, having a voice in your head, and then the ringing in my ears, You know, I didn't tell anybody about it except for my close friends. And they'd all say, you know, I mean, two or three people. Ooh, I wonder what it was. That's so scary. And then I went on to college. I was probably a junior in college and was working with a girl that was a naturalist at Beaver's Bend in the summer. And I told her the story and she said, sounds like a Bigfoot to me.

25:47 And I said, what? So now I finally had... you know, the round peg to go in the round hole because I had no idea what it was. Then I moved away to Dallas and worked for 20-something years. And then my mother got ill and I came home. And after she died, I was still having this little tapping on my shoulder, hey, remember me? And I started looking online and ended up with a group called Men America Bigfoot Research Center, the MABRC, and they're in Oklahoma. And I've learned so much from them, from Jim Whitehead and another guy named David Mooney, who's passed now. But they taught me so much. There's so much information there that I hope that I have the wisdom to use it. You know what I'm saying? You have to be a member of the MABRC forums. You have to be a member.

26:50 Then you'd be a member to join the group. Well, I was on there, a member in the Blue Forums. I liked the way these people treated each other, so I just put in a membership to join the group. And, you know, I knew a racetrack from a train track, but that was about it. I grew up in the woods. I'm not really ignorant about things, but there's a lot of things I don't know. And they had an impromptu thing out on it by Ida Bell. which is close to my area, and I asked, you know, DW, could I join? He said, come on down there. And that was down on Little River, I believe it is. And you talk about screams like I'd never heard screams before.

27:41 You know, I was green behind the ears, and they were telling me stories, and I think I stayed up for two days. I'm not sure. But we were We were there. We were there. It was so hot. We were there, and during the day, and D.W. told this other guy, he said, I just saw a face, and I was just looking around, looking around, you know, to my right, and then I turned and looked in front of me. There, maybe 70 yards away, up in a tree, looked like a basketball player. He was standing on his feet, he was up the tree, standing on his feet and holding on with his hands, and he was leaned out, the top of his body was out away from the tree, and the sun hit him, and he was chocolate brown colored, and then, you know, I just, I looked, I glanced away, then glanced back, and he was gone, and I didn't say much to anybody until, you know, we write up things after the MABRC does, write up reports afterwards, and then I knew that I'd seen a Bigfoot then and that's, he looked like a high school basketball player and the prettiest color hair. So, uh, the next big thing we were at the Chickasaw national recreation area. And I was Jim, Jim, big Jim is what I call him. I call him Jimbo,

29:12 but we were by the fire. It was like two 30 in the morning. And, uh, my campsite, he had the one next to me, he didn't have a tent, he had a, one of those canopies with the tarp turned around, swung around it, you know, he didn't have a tent, and we were right up on the creek, um and we heard this uh in distress it was like a barking quack and another thing all strung together and you know here we are bigfooters i said what was that and he said you know he said uh i'm not sure so i walked over the edge and was looking down and David had kept Jim's fire just going all night up at his campsite, and I was looking over the creek when I saw out of my peripheral vision shadows between me and his fire, and I turned and I looked, and there was, this is how I just, so you'll, I don't know for a fact that this is the gender of them, but I'm pretty much sure that there was Mama, big sister, and little brother, and then big daddy came in there. Just walked right in there, but they stayed between the fire and us the whole time. And they were squatted by the fire like at that table, the three older ones. And then

30:49 little baby brother was like at the head of the table. You know, I could see his face, but all I could see was a good silhouette of the others. And we had been seeing something at night run by, you know, and they were sending that little one in, and he was checking it out and, you know, getting a hold of them. Anyway, there's so much about, you know, game cameras and if they can see our light. And I had my little night vision and was looking at it. Jim said... When they walked in, Jim said, y'all put that stuff back. And the big one turned around and looked at Jim. And then he just turned back around and put his back to him. And you talk about, I felt, I knew my place in this situation. He didn't care if we saw him. And he, you know, we were of no use to him. But at the time, Jim was in a wheelchair. And I wonder if that had something to do with it. I don't know. And also about the canopy, I announced to Jim that I was going to do some research with the IR light.

32:02 And I was looking in the back of the Big Daddy's, what I call him, and I turned my switch on. It has an extra IR light on it for that night vision. And I turned it on, and I saw him squatting And then he was coming to an abrupt stop, standing up, facing me. And the hair on his right, he made a left-hand turn. The hair on the right-hand side was all, he turned around. So he was up and around so fast. I saw it, but my brain couldn't, couldn't compute it. You know, I was looking at him the whole time and he was, he was tuned in on me, uh, And I thought to myself, I hope I didn't just get Jim killed. You know, that was the quickness. And that's when I first learned about Barrel Chested.

33:01 You know, they weren't far from us. They were 60 feet. Maybe. Maybe not even that far. Yeah, it was a sighting of a lifetime so far. Just to have them come in there like that in a So I handed the night vision to Jim. And he said, there's one down on the trail coming this way. And he said, turn that IR light off. So I did. And as soon as I did, they turned back around and was ignoring us, you know. Wait, when you turned the IR light off? Yeah, yeah. I switched it on. As soon as I switched it on, he came up and did it. I turned so quick that all the hair on the right-hand side of his body, on his arm mostly is what I saw, and his head, reminded me of David Lee Roth in the video Jump, the way his hair does.

33:55 I don't know why that brought that to mind. And, I mean, he was locked in on me, and he was, you know, serious about it. And as soon as I turned it back off, they just went back to Pilfer and Jim stuff. You know, they would sit there. And the little one would go in Jim's tent, and he'd come back out. And it was like he was, I'm not saying this is what they were doing. I'm just describing so you'll kind of get the feel of it. Like he was taking a test, and they were grading the test or something, you know, with their three backs to us and you at the head of the table. And he'd come back, and then in a minute, they started backing up and going across the street. to this woman and his two kids and this dog that had barked all day long and started pilfering right across the street.

34:51 But that dog wasn't making no noise then. So Jim and I went up there and he said, I need to go check on my electronics. So we wheeled up there and his air mattress was pulled out a little bit. He had all of his stuff in a You know, those tubs. And he said they put everything back in the tubs, but they had got his Pop-Tarts. I forgot to ask him what kind they were. That makes sense, though, because they like the sugar, right? Yeah, and I wonder if the canopy with the tarp around it is, you know, I don't know if it had been a tent. I don't know if it had been the same thing. Anyway, he said, oh, my battery's down. And, you know, sometimes it gets scary out there. And I said, I got some in my truck, and I looked down the trail back to my campsite, and it looked like the Valley of Death down there, you know, to my truck to get these batteries. And I thought, man. But I walked down there, and I just had this ease come over me and went and got the batteries. So we came back down to my campsite, and they came back over.

36:05 The Sasquatch did? Yeah. Okay. Okay. And they were crawling on the ground. I was standing there. In between our campsite, there was a little trail, and then there was briars and all kinds of brush and crap, you know, growing up there. And I could see five eyes down there on the ground. And they kept crawling closer and closer and closer. And I was kind of tripping. It was like, you know, They were waiting for us to go to bed or something. I don't know. But they were getting closer and closer, and I could tell there were three down there because I saw five eyeshines. And then in a minute, we heard a single wood knock. And they started backing out. The eyeshine backed out. I mean, this eyeshine got up to me maybe 15 feet, you know. But it was nighttime, and we were just sitting by the firelight, and There was a single wood knock, and the eyeshines started backing out, and I heard them hit the creek and go across, and then dogs down the way started barking. So I take it at that moment in time, one wood knock meant, y'all leave there. I don't know if you meant come here or what. That was, you know, and I was so green, and Jim, anybody else these days that would

37:36 have had that would have been just... shouting it from the rooftops. And, you know, that was a sighting of a lifetime and almost unbelievable. You know, when all this was going on, it lasted a long time. And Jim told me, he said, I see things that I don't tell anybody because they're unbelievable. And I thought, you know, you can tell me, Jim, because this is unbelievable. It's happening to us. But, you know, we didn't, he's so used to it. And I'm glad that it wouldn't have made a big stink out of it and, you know, get all out. Because there was no, you know, we looked for prints the next day and there was nothing.

38:18 And that was wild. It was wild. Did your research with that group ever take you down to an area called Thackerville in the Red River? And it's called Purgatory? Yeah, I've been down there two or three times. I don't know about purgatory itself. I've just, you know, we just went down there. One night I was down there with Jim and another couple of guys and we go and hang those glow sticks, you know, hang them around the perimeter of your campsite high up in the trees or whatever. So if something passes in front of it, blocks it out. And I've seen them blocked out before.

39:02 So I went and hung them out right at dusk. And I got to thinking, I don't know if I shook those good enough. And I went around and reshook them all. And we were sitting there later that night, and I'll be dang if I didn't see one of those glow sticks start shaking over there. But I never saw anything. I just saw that glow stick shaking. Thackerville's kind of, you know, the rumors about it have, kind of got me maybe shied away from there. I'll go if somebody will go with me. But, you know, I don't want to run across no dog man, you know. Oh, sure. Yeah, me neither.

39:45 Whatever. I don't want no part of those guys, I don't think. But then we were again Jim and I were up at Honubi and we were it looked like a gravel pit with people dumping their trash down there and everything but you could see it was dark and you could see I guess the moon was out because you could see two figures going along the tree line and then turning come toward us. It was like in a square, this gravel pit. And, uh, it looked like he was a gray, gray one or a white one.

40:30 He was light colored, whatever. And then another, I assume it was a female and they had a little, little one with them. And Jim said, watch this. And he flipped his flashlight on and had that little one right in his face. And, uh, I was just fascinated by looking at the hair on its face, how it was growing in his cheeks. He closed his eyes and he didn't move. And Jim said, watch this. And he turned it off, turned it back on, and that little Bigfoot was gone now. But I've had six sightings, some with multiple Bigfoots, and I've seen ten different Bigfoots. Now, I'm kind of particular what I call a sighting. I'm not talking about an image on the thermal, although I've seen those and probably could count three or four more if we were doing it that way. I'm just real, and that comes from the MABRC, you know, have kind of taught me protocol on all this stuff. I went back to sulfur. and it was just at dusk, and I was going down, driving along the creek, and I saw him.

41:52 He was up on the highway, or up on the road, and he jumped down by the tree, and I slowed down, and I got real close to that tree, and I was looking down as his eyeshine was looking up. I don't know why I didn't stop. That kind of freaked me out, but sulfur is a good place to go. I assume, I don't know if after that tornado hit, if it's still as active as it was, but you can always find a track over Guy Sandy or somewhere most any time. You know, um, there was a guy named Charles, uh, Hallmark. He did a lot of research at Chickasaw National Recreation. And, uh, Before we saw the family come in, I had gotten there late, and I had backed into the drive-out. You drive out to your little campsite and then back on the road. I had backed into it, and I was in a hurry when I left, so I threw everything into a trash bag.

43:03 I had a loaf of bread in there and some clothes. I just threw it all in there. And I got in my tent, and it was freezing cold, and I heard something hit my tent. It wasn't like, it was just like, and I thought, what the? And then about three or four minutes later, it happened again. But I was so cold, I wasn't moving, you know. And then I heard my trash bag. I thought I heard my trash bag rustling in the back of my truck, and I thought, oh, you know, raccoons have done got my loaf of bread. So when I got up in the morning, I walked right around to the driver's side. You know, I had backed in and stood up on the step side and my trash bag hadn't been bothered at all.

43:49 And then I turned and I looked and there was one of the parked trash cans right there at the end of my truck that I hadn't noticed. And I just, that made me think maybe they're still getting in the trash up there or something. Let me think about some other things that. Do you mind if I ask you about something else real quick? Sure, go ahead. Were you ever involved with anything over by Beach Creek or Smithville? Yeah, I've been there before. I never... I never.

44:36 They weren't protective or sighting or. Any yells or anything, but I was real, I think I was real close to just over the mountain from, you know, and I've done a lot of recording and, you know, analyzed it on the computer and stuff. And I've got, I have one recording where I've got, There was three whistles, about 2.30 in the morning in our camp. It was three whistles, and I would do it for you, but I'm not sure that I could. And then there was an answer on the other side of our campsite.

45:26 I've got a double microphone on my little voice recorder, and then I had a big old light, outside light shroud on it. And, you know, I have... And it does, the left and right does kind of make a difference. There was, you know, there was something messing around with, oh. Then there was a response, another whistle. I got that recorded, and that's really cool. But, you know, I first started this stuff, and I noticed some of the older guys, you know, they'd sleep in their vehicles or, and I'd be laying there in my tent, and any sound, you know, the grass growing, my heart would start thumping, and I could hear it in my ears, and I couldn't hear anything, so I had a little deep Cherokee at the time, so I just started sleeping in it, and I blocked out all the windows, because I don't want them looking at me, you know, and then I bought all black sheets and pillowcase, and I had black warm-ups, I even had a face mask, so they couldn't see me, and I was over in Arkansas with the MABRC, and everybody had left except for one guy that was just kind of passing through. He wasn't a big footer. And he had agreed to pick up the trash. We had, there

46:56 were trash bags around. He said he would haul it off to DW. And I went to town, and I said, I had in mind to, you know, scope those, trash bags out that night, and my little Jeep Cherokee, the window on the driver's side fell off the whatever, and it would only roll like a good halfway up. And so he pulled his truck up against my front door, the bed of his truck. I could still get in the back door on that driver's side, but he blocked the window, my weak point you know and here we were and i started looking for that trash and he said i've already gathered it and it was in the back of his truck so i thought he's baited my only weak spot you.

47:51 Know exactly oh my goodness that's not good oh yeah and. Then we we had a fire going and somebody had a little plastic swimming pool like you see out in front of dollar general and It was out there, and he took it, and he threw it upside down on the fire. And I was looking at my Cherokee with my night vision, trying to get them focused while I still had light. And it was just smoking so bad, I couldn't even say I just gave it up. All the windows were covered except for the back. And, you know, those little tension rods like your shower curtains on. I had little bitty ones that would hold up the.

48:35 Sunscreen in the back window, but I could only find two, so that left with both corners at the top sagging down a little bit, and in the middle it was sagging, and so, you know, after the smoke thing, I just, he also told me, he said, we pulled up, you know, we were pulling out, headed out, not under trees or anything, you know, that's a general word, one of the general rules, don't park under a tree or don't point or don't yell. So I just, and I had three voice recorders, but I couldn't get a darn one of them to work.

49:17 I went to sleep, we were right by a, lake, too, and the frogs were so loud. When they weren't frogging, it was like intense silence, you know. So I went to sleep, and I felt something. I had a four-wheeler on the trailer behind me. And I felt something hit that trailer. And then, it's really weird when you block all your eyesight and how your other senses come around. And this is what it sounded like. It sounded like there was a blanket draped over the end of the Cherokee and somebody yanked it off and came down the passenger side from the back to the front. Something ran, oh, something went across the roof towards his pickup. And You know how you're like laying there trying to take a nap and somebody comes in and they're trying to be real quiet. You know, you can tell they're trying to be quiet, but they're not. You know what I'm saying?

50:22 Oh, yeah. Well, I start hearing this dinky dinky trying to be quiet and you're not. And, you know, I was just listening. And then all of a sudden I heard talking. Now, you know, they either have a speech or they act like they have a speech just to freak us out. Now, which one is it? You know, that's more bizarre than them having speech. But my back started hurting on that air mattress, and I had to roll to one side, and they heard me, and they took off. So I went back to sleep. And I woke up to this, sounded like this raining of something down on the Cherokee.

51:13 And then the trailer went side to side on the back. You know, not the tongue down, but it went side to side. And I was laying there in my black, in my all blackness. And over in the right-hand corner where this was sagging, where I didn't have that tension rod, here comes this little green orb thing. Oh, no. Yes. And it was zigging around, zagging around, zigging around, zagging around. And then it went over to the middle, zigging around, up and down, around, and then it stopped.

51:59 And I said, he sees me now. Because I have no idea. You know, I didn't see what that thing was, but I have a pretty good idea what it was. And, you know, he did that. They came back like four times that night. You know, I'd drop off, and they'd be back. And that looking in on me through those little gaping holes started pissing me off. So I grabbed my headlight, and I was going to— It's the center one, the biggest one. And I was going to shine that headlight right in his eye when he came back. Which, you know, looking back now, I don't think that was a real good idea. But he came back and I grabbed it and I turned it on and I wasn't holding it right and I just lit up the hole inside of the Jeep. So he finally got an answer of what was in there. This whole time, this guy that was in his truck never woke up. He was haggard over the Bigfoot thing and the yells and stuff they were hearing over there. We did have one come up in the thermal when we were out at camp.

53:18 The night before everybody left, I was, you know, not everything's Bigfoot. And I keep, I tell myself, not everything is Bigfoot. And these little poster boards that I used to black out the windows, you know, they kind of got wore on the edges, and you know, you might see a small, thin sliver of light every now and again. But I was laying there, and the window wasn't up, and I heard something hit my little canopy, and I had my little rest area behind the tarp, I mean. And I heard something hit that tarp, and I rolled over and I looked out the driver's side mirror and on the ground there was a little green thing down there.

54:08 Green thing. Not everything's Bigfoot. So I just rolled back over and then I noticed on my windows a little bit of green coming through the creases where the you know I thought damn that's some lightning bugs. You know how lightning bugs like to fly a straight line So, and then the next night that happened, so I figured that I had a little visit the night before from, but then crawl on the ground and up in the trees and play peekaboo and it's just fascinating. And when you first, when you first see a good visual of one, it's, it just kind of, you know, you actually see it in the hair and the muscles and the, that, It's just amazing. And, you know, when we got to watch those four for so long, I, you know, I don't know what they are, but they looked to me like they were wild people that adapted to living in the wild.

55:24 But that whole time, too, with those four, it was like they didn't want to get real close to us because they didn't want to catch what we had. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying that's what they were doing. It seemed like they just didn't want to get close to us. They didn't care we were there and seeing them. They just didn't want to get real close to us. That is extremely interesting. I've heard the wild people thing a few times, and I think there's something to it. I haven't had a sighting yet either, but what do you think the Bigfoot community gets wrong the most about how Bigfoot look, uh, just because you've had so many sightings.

56:14 Uh, I, you know, I, I, I've seen 10. I haven't seen faces of all 10, but I've seen the bodies and the, So I can't say what's right and what's wrong with that. You can just kind of tell by the way they move and their arm swing and the length of their arms. Once you see one move, pretty much that's ingrained into you. You know, like trail cameras, after he reacted to that IR light, you know, unless you're trying to get them to stay away or... I don't think that any... I'm not saying nobody ever will, but very likely, I don't think there's going to be many pictures with a trail cam because they can... It looked like he felt that IR light. Of course, you can't...

57:15 We can't see it, but with night vision, you can see IR light. It would be just like a flashlight put on him. But he acted... not aggressively, but he was not happy with it. Wow. I don't know why they're like that. But you hear how they'll stay out of just the range of motion cameras and Stuff like that.

57:56 We were supposed to go this weekend to Arkansas. The weather was getting bad, so DW decided to put it off. I was really looking forward to it because Big Jim was going to be there. I've had sightings on my own, but when Big Jim's around, I'm locked on to him because they seem to navigate to him. but he grew up with them calling his name. Exactly. I've talked to Jim before I've interviewed him and he has some just incredible things that have happened over the years. It is out of control.

58:37 Yeah. So, you know, our little thing up at Sulphur was nothing to him, you know, it was as exciting of a lifetime to me, but he, him and David Mooney had some really good theories that, um, about maybe they rendezvous every so often. Because David had been watching this group for a long time, and he said, he had them named and he said so and so hasn't come back and now there's a blonde female and a blonde juvie with them so there may be that would be something to see if you could just see get yourself planted where they'd be coming through without them seeing you that would be kind of hard to do It's fascinating.

59:32 Go ahead. It is very fascinating. Has there ever been, in your opinion, a good video of any of them captured down there? I haven't seen one. There could be. You know, when I was doing the IR light thing, it never once crossed my mind to try and take a picture. That never crossed my mind. There they were, but you're mostly just in awe I've seen some what I think are good pictures. And, of course, Patty and this other guy, the other guy that worked for the Forestry Service, his video, he's walking and there's tracks and there's water in the tracks.

1:00:24 But the water in the tracks is muddy. It's like you're going, they've just been here. And he looks up and he goes, ooh, there he is. I can't remember that guy's name. And this is terrible. Why am I blanking on this guy's name? Because it's like right there. And I think of this all the time. And yet I'm blanking because Paul Freeman. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's, that's great footage. It's incredible. Especially when it's cleaned up. When not hijacked did that. When he gets those tracks that are the muddy water, you know, you said, look up, look up. They just were there. Oh, absolutely. I'm going to tell you, Jeremiah, while I'm thinking about it, you've come a long way and done very well. I listen to you all the time.

1:01:10 Thank you. I appreciate that. You know, I appreciate you. You're the only one I listen to. I don't take that for granted. I really appreciate that. And I'm just glad we were able to talk finally. It's been. I figured I'd never be able to actually talk to you, and I just appreciate you coming on here. Thank you. No problem. Maybe we'll get to see our campfire sometime. If you're ever coming up to Honobi, the MABRC has a little symposium every year, too. It's not as well-known as Honobi, but there's a lot of good information. There's a lot of good information on the forums, too. I just had trouble at first, you know, getting around on it because I'm not real techie, but there's a lot.

1:02:06 He's got everybody's, everybody's research on the Bindernagel and everybody's. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for, for the invites. I'll definitely keep that in mind if I ever get down there, but I appreciate you chatting tonight. Yeah, well, it's about time. I've been meaning to for a long time. You know, I don't know a whole lot. I think I know two things. But I don't know if it was beginner's luck or what, but after, you know. Anyway, thank you for having me on, Jeremiah.

1:02:46 Yes, ma'am. We'll stay in touch. You have a good one. You too. Bye-bye. Oh, that was great. That was absolutely great. My goodness. Carrie's coming up. Hopefully if we connect. Hey Carrie, how's it going? Good. How are you doing? Doing good. It sounds like you've had some stuff going on down there in Oklahoma too. Yeah. Um, the rest area thing, I just heard stories about. From truck drivers who have pulled off and slept in those rest areas off the I-35 and the R-buckles. But that wasn't my personal experience. But I've had a handful of them.

1:03:39 Oh, okay, yeah. And I'd like to preface this before I tell you guys my story because I'm. Not crazy about Bigfoot. And I don't know what it is that I've had so many. Encounters with it. So let me think of where to start here. I think it all started. When my mom was listening to a bunch of podcasts and stuff. She had listened to the Cryptic Brothers out of Tulsa, I believe. Yep. Well, then she heard a podcast.

1:04:20 About Bigfoot being pretty nearby where we live. And I grew up. Country girl you know a country kid been in the woods at night all that I never believed in Bigfoot and I told my mom I would joke with her I'd say you're crazy you know there ain't no Bigfoot and um anyway well she heard the podcast and she kept bugging me she said she said sis let's go out and clack some rocks and hoop and see if we hear anything and I heard the podcast. He should be right out here in the county next to us.

1:05:03 So she finally got me to go. And this was the first thing that ever happened to me that got me thinking, well, maybe he is real. So anyway, we go out there and she takes us. They call it the Big Bend because it's a big bend in the river and the sunset. And it's not quite dark out yet, but we go and We're clacking the rocks and she's hooping. And we hear something call back. And I'm like, okay, that's not a coyote. That's not a cow. It was something I never heard before.

1:05:45 But that still didn't have me like 100% convinced. And then. Fast forward. My parents had got like a pretty big plot of land there. And had moved out here. And they're telling me, y'all just get a house and move on out here too. And so. It's right on a river too. But it's not that big of a river. And I've never lived on a river before. Okay. And this place that was bought was kind of abandoned for a while. And we move out here. And there's a lot of stuff going on. Okay.

1:06:28 I had the experience of the clacking the rocks and the hooping or whatever. And, um, Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't finish that. Sorry. I'm sorry. I have like a handful of stuff. It's going to be hard to remember everything because like I've said, I've had a lot of stuff happen. Well, anyway, that night when we was hooping and clacking the rocks, we were out there, went to the river, still hooping. And, um, I don't know if this is appropriate to say on TikTok, but you know. We were kind of drinking a little and you know what happens, you know? So I was like, pull over. I've got to, you know, use the bathroom and it's dark outside.

1:07:13 So I remember I was behind the car. And something bipedal come running after me. And I'm the only person outside the car. My mom was inside. Our friend Emily was inside. And I didn't hardly have any time to jump in the car, slam the door. And I remember I was leaned over on the inside, rolling the window up because I was so scared of whatever ran up on me could reach through the window and grab me. And my mom. Heard it and she took off. Well, anyway, that was the first experience. Then we moved out here to this.

1:07:56 It was kind of an abandoned. Place out by the river. Okay. This is probably about a year or two later. I had kind of forgotten about the whole Bigfoot thing. Okay. So the first thing that had happened was it was about midnight. I heard this scream that was beside my house. literally like right beside my house. And I remember that it screamed so loud that, you know, when a tornado siren goes off when you're in town and it almost irritates your eardrum a little bit, it almost gets so loud.

1:08:38 It's irritating. It got that loud and that high pitched. And then it came back down. And to something that you could. Tell was, like, burl-chested and deep and huge. And when it was done screaming, it, like, went, it, like, quacked. like a little bit. And I went, what was that? And, um, I told my mom about it. And of course she's the Bigfoot person. And she was like, well, it's probably a Bigfoot. And, um, and then after that, we'd got some chickens, um, And we had been out to eat and we came back kind of late.

1:09:23 It was already dark. We had to put the chicken, we had to shut the gate on the chicken coop. And, um, we went out there and shut the gate on the chicken coop together. Cause we're just a couple of girls, you know, we're talking and putting up the chicks. Well, then we shut the. Door and, uh, the chicken coop's kind of a ways from the house. And like I said, it was dark and we heard this weird, like weird chattering like like kind of like a monkey a little bit but like it was talking in a language of their own and there was about four or five of them spread out like we were surrounded and my mom kind of like went to run and I grabbed her arm real quick and I said do not run and we walked back to the house.

1:10:24 And um. And then you know my parents are kind of older over at their house they'll like sit on the porch. A lot you know and um my mom had said that she had like heard the. Coyotes and then you could hear a coyote kind of get attacked um by a different pack but the pack had a slightly different dog bark to it and then she had recorded on her old phone she don't have the phone no more of a wood knock that was clear as day on this video but like i said unfortunately we.

1:11:04 Don't have it this was a few years back and um. Then after that my uncle we got a little john boat from my uncle and me and my older brother went out and. We're all excited. We're going to go get on the river. And he had a big old pit bulldog and he's a pretty big dog. And we go up. The river, we go around a bend and there's this sandbar. And so we get the boat up on the sandbar, we're walking down it and we. See these I guess cow bones, these big.

1:11:45 Bones all over the sandbar. And I mean, we do have mountain lions, cougars out here, you know, there's big cats, but we see these big, Oh, dog prints that are like the size of, of the littler dinner plates, saucers, I guess you call them. And I remember the dog, His dog had jumped out. And like I said, he's a pretty big old pit bulldog. And his dog prints, besides these other dog prints that we've seen, his big old pit bulldog.

1:12:26 Looked like little chihuahua prints beside him. And like I said, there's bones everywhere. And then, again, the sun was going down. And so. I remember saying, let's get out of here. Let's get out of here. Cause I was kind of freaked out, you know, um, I'd had a few things happen to me. I hadn't seen no Bigfoot, but, but at this point I, I was a believer, you know, I was enough to be scared of the dark a little bit. So I was saying, let's get out of here. And, um, My brother wasn't. He didn't think Bigfoot was real. So, of course, it took him some time, and he was looking at the bones, really investigating everything. And then before you know it, it's dark. Well, then we're coming back on the river to get to the spot where we can get out of the river and get back on the road. So we're going down the river, and we heard the same monkey sounds that me and my mom had heard when we were putting the chickens up. And like I said, it sounds like chitter chatter, but a monkey.

1:13:36 But it's like you can tell it's like their own language. And they were like following us up on the bank. And I know they were watching us in that boat. And that was pretty scary. Then the. First time that I had actually seen one, it was dark. It was in the middle of the night. I was sleeping. I'd woke up. It was probably midnight. My house was hot. I needed to go turn the air up because I couldn't sleep because I was hot. And so I go kick the air conditioner on. And I don't know what it was that drew me to the window to even walk over to the window and go look out of it.

1:14:25 But I walked over to the window and I was looking. And at the time, I had my two horses in the pasture and my best friend had her mare out here and she has a gray mare. So you can see the gray mare at night pretty easy, you know? And so I'm looking at the horses and I see something black behind it that was little. Like I'm telling you, it was like the size of, maybe look like a little black calf laying in the pasture. Like, and I was looking at it and I thought, what is that?

1:15:10 You know? And I looked at it for a second and I swear it moved slightly. So I'm watching it and it did move. And this thing is slowly creeping up closer and closer and To our horses. There's three horses standing out there. Getting closer and closer. Very slow. Okay. Well anyway. It had got probably. About 15 foot. Away from the horses. And I'm talking. This thing was low and flat.

1:15:52 And. It stood. Up. And its head, it looked like it didn't have a neck, like its head kind of rested in the shoulders, you know, it stood straight up, this thing had to have been nine foot tall, maybe 10 foot tall, I don't know if that's an over-exaggeration or not, but this thing was big, and I remember, you know, the moon was shining, it was dark, but you could see out there, this thing stood straight up, and that's when I noticed the neck thing, it didn't hardly have a neck, and then it pivoted and took a step and I remember looking at the spread on its legs and how much spread it had in between its legs when it took a step and this thing just pivoted took a big step and it cut across the pasture and this thing was gone like It was walking at a walking pace. I mean, he wasn't walking fast.

1:16:59 You know, he was unbothered. I think four or five strides, he was gone. He was already. That was the first time I seen him. And it's funny because, like, you even question yourself. Like, was that really real? Did I really see that? Because you sound crazy. It's not like you can hardly tell anybody what happened. There's no witnesses. It was just me. So that had happened. And then I seen him a second time. And this was probably about a year later.

1:17:47 Me and my boyfriend at the time and my niece. We're down on the river fishing in the middle of the day. My niece, you know, she's probably about nine or ten years old. She was saying, Aunt Carrie, let's go swimming. Let's go swimming. Well, we didn't have any swimsuits with us. But I knew around the corner where my boyfriend was fishing, around the corner where no one could see. There was a sandbar. And so I said, come on, let's go to the sandbar. And, you know, we can just get in and it'll be all right. And so.

1:18:28 I remember I had a little pistol with me and a little fanny pack. I was wearing a fanny pack with a pistol in it. And it had my cell phone in and everything. Well, so and I was wearing. A pair of boots. So we walk in. Down to the sandbar I'm talking about. And I took the boots off and I put the gun in my phone and everything in the sandbar. Well, there's like, um, so anyway, we're walking in the river. The river is not that deep at, at this bend that we're at. So we can kind of walk through it a little bit and, We're looking for these, there's shells on the river, like these big old shell kind of things. And so we're walking, we have our heads down. You know, this was probably the first thing we were doing wrong here.

1:19:20 We weren't looking around at all. We was looking straight down, looking for these shells. Okay. And it's, it's just me and my little niece. So We're walking kind of down the river, not really paying attention. It's the middle of summer. So the Johnson grass is probably about, I don't know, three, four foot tall on them banks. You know, it's all grown up. It's summer. So we're walking and I hear something right beside me over in that bank. It's like it had to have been standing there watching us. And then when we were walking, it kind of got parallel with it. It made some noise, and I looked, and this thing just.

1:20:15 Like, it was so heavy. You know there's a bunch of sticks and all kinds of stuff. And it just took off, and it was cracking, all these sticks, as it took off in that very tall Johnson grass. And for a split second, I looked. And the thing had hair on it that's probably about two inches long. And it was a reddish brown. And I could see that the tips of the hair were kind of sun bleached, you know. The only way I know how. To put it is sometimes horses' manes that are black will get like that. Like the tips of them will get kind of golden colored, you know.

1:20:57 Okay. So. Anyway, really dry hair. And only for a split second because this thing took off when we got parallel with it. And anyway, so we turned our head and we're watching it run through the tall grass and everything. And this thing. Ran around, hid in the middle of two trees and squatted down and looked at us. So. At this point, it's. Me and my niece, and we got this, I mean, I guess, this Bigfoot is in between our cell phones, my little pistol, our.

1:21:46 Clothes, everything. So. Anyway, we had no choice. We had to go get my boyfriend. And, of course, we sound crazy. You know, there's a Bigfoot over here. All of our stuff is over there. So, anyway, I've seen him in the dark, and I've seen him in broad daylight. And, yeah, it. Was the craziest thing. It was the craziest thing in the dark to me because this thing was approaching the horses. Like, you know how.

1:22:26 The big cats or the cougars, like when they walk or you can see their shoulders like roll a little bit when they're walking. This thing was spread out and crawling like a spider moves kind of like. It was just gliding and it was. Only like a foot tall and it creeped up and creeped up and creeped up. And I'm I'm telling you, when this thing stood up, it was like 10 foot tall. And that's what surprised surprised me was how low it got when it was creeping up on the horses. And again, even like the incident on the river with my niece, this thing cut across the bank with all that Johnson grass crushing everything in its path. You could hear everything snapping and squatted beside two trees. And it was also very short. very low like it makes you realize that these things can squat down and get very low and you would never see them looking at you you know um anyway and so I and we actually had the cryptic brothers come out here and investigate and um there was like choppers on the river and stuff like military and there's never been an issue since I mean and

1:24:00 it's you can feel it in the air when something's not right or when they're around like it it almost feels like they're kind of I hate to say it but they're kind of like a demonic animal you know like when they look at you and you get the feeling of I'm no longer top of the food chain. Like this thing has this odd intelligence over me, like no other animal. It's so hard to explain. And like I said, like, I'm not big foot crazy. I don't know what it is that has caused me to have all these experiences. And like I said.

1:24:41 To like, I can't go and tell everybody all these things that have happened to me. Unless they're a Bigfoot person. And that's kind of why I like listening to your TikTok on here is because, you know, it's a bunch of like-minded people. They believe you when you tell them. Yeah. Thanks for creating such a safe space for all my crazy stories. Not everybody believes them. Absolutely. And so first off, you're not crazy. Because your stories are very similar to... I mean, you're not the only one experiencing all this stuff, so you are not crazy. So thank you for sharing that. Did your boyfriend believe you when you got him?

1:25:34 Kind of, but it's... Not really. You know, it's hard. And I understand it because even I was that way. And even the stuff that happened to me, I questioned myself, you know, is this really real? Cause it's such like a supernatural, they're not regular animals, you know, like they're so scary when. You see them. It's, they have this weird intelligence about them, you know, this predatory, they're scary, you know? And you can sense them in the air when they're around. And the other animals can sense them also. You know, stuff will get dead quiet and it's just eerie. And I don't know.

1:26:21 And your average person that's never felt that or seen that, they think you're nuts. But no, I, I get it. I haven't even had a sighting. And when I start talking about stuff that isn't even close to that, people think I'm nuts too. So I'm, I'm right there with you, but you know, we both know what we're experiencing and you just gotta keep sharing and help the right people hear it. But, um, just Carrie, thank you for coming up. I appreciate you coming up. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Thanks for giving me opportunity to, Tell my stories. Yes, ma'am.

1:27:02 If you've had a Bigfoot encounter of your own, I would love to hear from you. You can send me an email with your encounter at bigfootsociety at gmail.com. I've come out with a free report about the top 10 Bigfoot hotspots. You can go over to bit.ly forward slash BFS report. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Thanks for listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'll see you in the woods.