Aug. 23, 2026

BIGFOOT MAKES EYE CONTACT with Witness on Sauvie Island, Oregon

Originally released as Episode 547 of Bigfoot Society on 10/4/24. A quiet drive through Oregon farmland turns into a moment that stays with a witness for years. In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Jeremiah Byron talks with Colleen, an Oregon...

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Season 1

Originally released as Episode 547 of Bigfoot Society on 10/4/24.


A quiet drive through Oregon farmland turns into a moment that stays with a witness for years.

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Jeremiah Byron talks with Colleen, an Oregon outdoorswoman who spent her life hunting, fishing, hiking, and camping across the Pacific Northwest. During the fall of 2020 on Sauvie Island, she and her partner encountered a large black, humanlike figure crossing a remote access road in broad daylight. The figure looked directly at them, continued calmly across the road, then appeared to stop and watch them before disappearing into dense blackberry hedges.

As the years passed, Colleen began connecting that unforgettable encounter with other unexplained experiences from across Oregon. She shares reports of mysterious tree knocks while hiking near Scappoose, unsettling nighttime footsteps outside her home on Sauvie Island, possible vocal exchanges she once believed were owls, and recent activity near her current rural property bordering miles of forest. She also reflects on childhood camping trips near Mount Hood and how those memories have taken on new meaning.

This conversation explores what happens after a life-changing encounter, how personal perspectives evolve over time, and why protecting the wild places of the Pacific Northwest has become even more important to her.

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You're listening to Bigflet Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers

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as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates

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about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge

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link in the show notes. Thank you all right, BIGFT Society.

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You've got the privilege of talking to Colleen from Oregon.

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Colleen's an individual that I've been talking to off and

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on to try to get on the show. And Colleen's

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had some very interesting things happen that she's going to

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share with us today. But thank you so much for

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coming on the show and welcome calling.

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Thank you Jeremiah. Basically I grew up out here. I

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was born in Oregon City, grew up hunting, fishing, camping,

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and hiking with my dad and my family, and feel

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really comfortable out in the woods. I never really thought

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about it too much. Bigfoot was just kind of like

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an emblem, like a character like Smoky the Bear or

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something like that, so I never really thought twice about it.

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On twenty twenty, I was living on Sauvie Island. It's

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like a big river island that's really close to Portland, Oregon.

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It's on the Columbia River and it's like thirty five

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square miles. It's like it's a really big highland. I

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didn't know how big it was when I started living

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on there, and it was really special to be living

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out there because it's like a big agricultural community and

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it's known for having beaches that people like to go to,

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and the locals kind of suffer a little bit because

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it's a bit overused, underfunded, and you know, they kind

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of suffer a little bit for having people come out

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there and just tear it all up basically. But during

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the shutdown, I kind of felt lucky to be out there.

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It was just me and my partner and our Dog,

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and we had like this double wide right on the

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river in this little trailer court really, and so we

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there's a lot of areas all over the island that

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are privately owned this they're in a trust with the

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state and the Oregon Department Official Wildlife, so they do

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open up these interior areas for just a part of

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the year, less than half of the year. It's open

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for people to go out and spend some time, you know, respectfully.

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And so we'd go out for walks all the time,

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take Kansas to the Dog and one of these spots

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I call the Savannah because it was just like big

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opens to me, grassland, and some folks have their cattle

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out there, and there's some lakes and you know, really

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nice stands of trees and it's just really pretty. So

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it's only a two miles down the road from where

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we were living. So we hop in the car and

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we're going to go out there, and it's like September,

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it's right before they're gonna shut down the island basically

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for this hunting season, and so we're just trying to

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get out there a little bit before you know, we're

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not allowed to be out there. And we turn off

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the main road onto a dirt road, and it's kind

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of a longer drive to the cattle guard that we

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got to go over, which is on the dyke for

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the Columbia River. It's like a straight away and we're

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cruising down at about like twenty miles an hour because

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we kick up a lot of dust. And I'd say

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that the stretch is about half a mile or three

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quarter mile before you get to the end where you

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enter the pasture land. And getting towards the end, me

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and my part were just kind of rambling along and

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about sixty feet maybe yards. I'm not really the best

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with this, but there was a black individual that came

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out from what I thought was a trail at the time,

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and he was crossing kind of diagonally to a access

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road for fields. They have, like all these cornfields because

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they're trying to bring in migratory birds and feer and

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whatever else. So there's all these access roads to these

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adjacent fields. So he was crossing, you know, diagonally kind

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of towards us and continuing on this access road. And

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so when he enters our vision from behind, you know,

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kind of some tall trees and BlackBerry bushes growing into

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the trees. You know. We didn't say a word to

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each other. We were just looking at this and trying

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to understand what we were looking at. And when he

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steps out into the gravel road, he looks at us,

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and it almost seems like he's not expecting us to

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be there. But he doesn't change his posture, he doesn't

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speed up, he doesn't, you know, he looked right at

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me and continued crossing the road. And my partner at

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the time, he's like slowing down obviously because someone's crossing.

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And I don't remember what I said, if I said

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any thing, but we slowed down, and we're just kind

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of in shock, I think. And so as we continue

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to roll up to the access road, you know, we

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stop to see if we can see him walking down further.

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And that's where we saw him about fifty again, possibly

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sixty feet down, and there's the BlackBerry brambles. It's a

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hedge that's kind of a barrier for I believe Cornfield

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that's beyond it. And he's standing there waiting for us,

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almost and he's and so we look at each other

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again and we just sit there for a few seconds,

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and then he dips into the hedge and he's out

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of you, and we never talked about it. I think

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that our relationship was getting twenty twenty pretty hard. We

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ended up, you know, splitting up the following February, so

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I wonder if that was a part of it. Our

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communication was just kind of shot to pieces already, and

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so we weren't or how I feel about it is

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like it took me years to digest just that small

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window of time that that experience was until I was

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just kind of like, yeah, that's that happened. I saw

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him with someone, and so it wasn't until the end

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of last year that I kind of just started thinking

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about it again. So, you know, three almost four years later,

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I'm just kind of like, yeah, okay, so so it's

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all bigfoot. And I hadn't talked to anyone about it,

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not a soul. And I was sitting at like a

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local bar, and I kind of threw it out there

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and yeah, people were like, okay, okay, calling sure. But

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after that was when I was still having having drinks

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and I after the bar closed one night, I invited

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a couple my friends up. I just got a cat

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and I was trying to socialize them. He was a

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really cute little kitten, and they came up and we

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sipped some wine, and then I was like, Okay, these

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are my friends and I'm just gonna share it with them,

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and I told him the story, and one friend he

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didn't say anything. He didn't he wasn't critical, and he

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didn't have any experience himself. He just kind of listened.

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And then my other friend made me like repeat it

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like three times, and each time that I kind of

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ran over it again, I could tell that he was

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very skeptical of it, and I was like, sure, you know,

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this is I should I totally should expect this, you know.

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And then on the third run through the story, He's like,

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what do you mean he was waiting for you? And

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I was kind of like, yeah, like what do I mean?

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You know, I don't really know what I mean by that,

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Like why was he why was he still standing there

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waiting looking at us? And at any rate, he never

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was very satisfied with anything that I had to say

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to like clarify my experience or anything like that. But

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a few months later he was van living and sometimes

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he'd stay in a French property on the island, which

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wasn't far from where we were at and I was

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working nights, so I was up usually and he calls

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me in the middle of the night and he sounds

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really shook, and he's just saying, I am so sorry

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that I made you explain yourself. I'm sorry I made

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you feel like you were lying. But there's that it's

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walking around my van, and I am so freaked out

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right now, and I just, you know, I just was like, oh,

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you know, some people they go world deep, and you know,

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and you know there's some some folks just roaming a

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little bit to check the property lines. They could be

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curious about you being on your friend's property. You know.

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I just tried to I wanted to calm them down

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a little bit because I didn't I didn't want them

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to be scared like that, you know, even though I

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did feel this kind of like, so somebody believes me,

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you know, I don't sound so crazy now to this person,

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and that I found a little bit of comfort in.

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But that around that time, since I was kind of

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trying to, you know, wrap my head around that experience

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from twenty twenty, I got on the internet and I

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really didn't go very deep. I just found some Reddit

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threads and I, you know, didn't see any other sightings

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in that area. And uh, but I heard about like

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tree knocking and the structures and stuff, and I was like, yeah,

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that's you know, that doesn't really that doesn't really apply

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to my experience. And I didn't really get the tree knocking.

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But we fast forward to about a month ago, maybe

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maybe six weeks ago, going on six weeks ago. I

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had been really struggling with making in meet and I

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had had a living situation completely fall to pieces, and

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I was just I kind of had it, and I

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was going to go for a walk and clear my

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head out on some trails out outside of Scappoose. And

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I go out on these trails. It's really nice, but

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it's hot lately, so I could hear some water below,

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and I was like, man, why don't these trails just

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go down to this little creek that's a lane, you know.

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I think I can make it down to this little creek,

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you know. So I go off trail and I get

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down to this cute little creek and it's this little

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open area and I spend some time down there and

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I'm like, okay, so I should probably get back out

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before it starts getting dim out here, and I looked

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the way I came and I was like, man, that

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was kind of a little hairer than it looked. Maybe

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maybe if I just follow along this creak a little bit,

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there'll be another way up that won't be as as rough,

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you know. So I'm kind of following a little deer

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trail along this creek and it starts kind of getting

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you know, full of stinging nettles, and I'm like, Okay,

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this is this is kind of ridiculous, but you know,

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it would be even more ridiculous to turn around, you know,

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Like I just I felt like I knew like how

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I'd get back to the road that my my car

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was parked on. I never I never felt lost. I

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never admitted to myself that I was at any rate.

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And so I'm getting out there, and I'm seeing tracks

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for animals in the mud and mostly deer and raccoon,

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and I know that there's homesteads out there. I'm I'm

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I'm half expecting to just like bust through somebody's you know,

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rhododendrons into their backyard, which would have been embarrassing, but

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I was, you know, I was open to that at

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this moment. You know. And I kind of come to

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this point where the creek really becomes thick brush and

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there's some big down trees, and I just kind of

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take a minute and I don't really think about what

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am I going to do next? You know, which way

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do I think is best to go? And I decided

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that I needed to go up this ridge. I was like,

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I know there's a road up there. I think it's

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I think it's like forty feet up. I can see

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it kind of flattens out, and I bet you that's

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a road. And so I'm going up and I'm feeling

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absolutely ridiculous, Like you just hear stories of hikers getting

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lost and getting choppered out, and I'm just always like

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thinking that these folks are idiots. And here I am, uh,

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kind of getting into some really thicked stuff, but still

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not admitting that I'm completely lost. I know that I

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know that there's a way out and that there's property,

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there's there's something I'm going to come across, you know.

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So I get up to where my vision, uh my

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visual perception stopped and it did level out, but it

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continued up again, and so I'm just I'm so exhausted

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by this point, but I gotta do it. I gotta

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go up and I, you know, get up this ridge

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and that's got some trees so I can kind of

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take some breathers here and there. And I'm like, oh,

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I can see it. I can see the road, okay,

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And I getting this this like anxious push to get

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to it. And I stepped through a pile of a

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wood and oh, what's that. It's hornets. I stepped into

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a nest of ground hornets underneath this wood pile, and

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they were all over me. And I'm allergic to bees.

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I never carry a shot kit, but I should, because

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I mean, they told me that if I was to

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get into anaphylectic shock again, it would happen faster. I

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probably have about fifteen minutes if I was to ever

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get stung again. That happened a long time ago when

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I was a child. But when this is happening to me,

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I just try to run, and I'm not very good

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at running. At this point, I'm exhausted and I'm screaming,

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just screaming. I can't even hear myself, but I I

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know I'm screaming, and they're just staying on me. They're

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in my hair. There there in my clothes. They're like

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in all the tender underarm areas or just what a mess.

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And I probably had gone about one hundred feet like

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along the ridge and finally I just laid down and

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most of them had left me alone. There was a

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couple of diehards, but I had just I just was like, okay, okay, okay.

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So so I'm just got to sit here and I

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got to figure out if I'm if I'm gonna go

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in to inflective shock here, you know, kind of waiting

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to see if I have any breathing issue use and

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just kind of give myself a minute, and I want

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to slow my heart rate down if I can't, And

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I managed to do that a little bit, and I

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come to the conclusion that, you know, I'm I'm not

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going into an eplectic shock. And how lucky am I

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to be able to get up and step onto this

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logging road that was three feet from me, Like I

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just step out on this road, and I'm just I

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can't believe that I just climbed up that thing. I

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look down and I can't even see the creek anymore,

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you know, I can't even hear the creek anymore. And

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and I'm looking at this road and I decide, okay, like,

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let's go to the left. I think, I think that

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this is the way that I want I need to go.

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I start walking, and it wasn't long before I came

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to where they had bulldozed a berm, and I think

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it was going to go back down into this ridge line.

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So I just kind of was like, all right, I

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don't think I should go this way. This isn't this

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isn't the answer. So I turn around and I start

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retracing my steps and I come to where I came

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out and continued and there was a split, and I'd

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been observing a lot of scat on the logging road,

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which was pretty overgrown in some areas with BlackBerry brambles

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and other small brush and I was seeing, now that

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looks like black bear scat there and apps that's a

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mountain lion, okay, And there's there's a lot of it.

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And then there was a huge, like more than a

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foot across pile, and I was like, what they were

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all full of BlackBerry seeds, you know, and uh, And

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I just kind of thought to myself, youse, guys are

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probably pretty tired eat blackberries. Right about now, you know,

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just and so I decided to I made my decision

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on what road I was going to take at the split,

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and about twenty feet into that, into that part of

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the road, I hear behind me a click click clock

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and it's like I felt like I was along. It

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was like a long haired cat that was all poofed out,

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like I felt.

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Like like I just felt like I spiky, Like I

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don't know how to describe how all these hairs that

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I don't have we're standing up all around me.

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And I look over my shoulder but I didn't stop,

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and there was nothing, but but I could tell from

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where the sound came from. It was just next to

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the road where I had passed twice, and the the

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logging road made up this nice little flat space, but

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the ridge continued, you know, so the sound was above

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my head and I just kind of it was like, oh,

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because the ridge continues at a really steep incline, but

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that was not a woodpecker, and I just was at

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the I think that I was in already in a

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moderate on its way to severe state of shock from

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the hornet's nest. And this happened, and I was just

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kind of like, I don't know, like what this being

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is expecting for a response from me right now, but

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I'm just kind of sure, you know, of course this

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is going to happen now. This is when it's going

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to happen, is when everything's still completely out of control.

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And I, yeah, I was really lucky because the sun

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was beginning to go down and I had gone in

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this hike around like ten in the morning, you know,

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and I'm looking at the sun figuring what time it was,

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trying to figure out my position and how much time

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do I have before this place gets really dark, and

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just more scary because of that than it's ever been

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before for me in my life. And I came across

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some trees that were down on this logging road that

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I guess hadn't been surveyed in quite some time, but

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it was you know, trees up by their routes, you know,

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stacked over each other, blocking the road which I was

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coming on. That kind of seems recent. You seem like

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there's still alive even, you know, like and I don't

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really remember us having you know, really strong weather in

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any sense in this area, so that's kind of interesting.

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It took a while for me to like start feeling

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like I wasn't being observed, because that's how I felt.

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And that instance, it took probably like a half a

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mile a mile before I was like, oh, I can

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kind of just breathe a little easier. But I just was.

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I just was keeping my pace and I didn't make

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any wrong turns because there was a number of splits

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that I came across, and I came out of these

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logging roads. I mean, they're supposed to be closed. I'm

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not supposed to be in there. I'm trespassing. I think

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that it might have been like Warehouser Land outside and

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I made it out to Dutch Canyon Road and walked out,

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and that's kind of the end of where that experience is.

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The thing about the click click clack, you know, was

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that the three knocks were a very uh precise beat.

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They didn't they they were. It was a very tight beat,

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but the third was a completely different pitch, which confused

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just confuses me still because I'm just like, okay, so

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you know, like if you take a two by four,

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like maybe one, maybe the wide side makes a different

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sound than the short side, you know, because you can't

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just this guy didn't didn't set something down and pick

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up another one, you know, to make a different pitch

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and sound than the other two. You know, that's the

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part where it just really got my attention that that

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something intelligent was trying to convey a point to me.

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And I was pretty I don't know, I don't want

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to say it just it stressed me out necessarily, but

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but it did. It kind of became hyper fixated on

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trying to understand this more. And I don't really have

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a lot of close friends at this point in my life,

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and but I'm spending time with my mom trying to

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build things up from the ground up here and talking

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to her about it, and she's like, you know, he

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could have been trying to let you know that that

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was that was the right way to go, to encourage

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you to get out the right way, you know, And

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I just kind of was like, Yeah, that totally could

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make sense. You I just can't. I can't know in

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that respect. And so since that, you know, last six

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weeks or so, I've kind of really immersed myself and

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people's stories, and I, you know, kind of have a

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different perspective on a couple of things about living on

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Sauvie island, Like I I thought that I was totally

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hoohooing with a with an owl out there out past

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the tree line across from our porch, and I just

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felt like, you know, like a nature woman, like I

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thought of, you know, I had I had an owl friend,

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Like how cool is that? And I mean I saw

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that owl. It came and checked me out on the

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beach one night, so I was sold. But every time

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and and I was kind of like, well, where is

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this guy I'm trying to where in the trees is

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this guy that's out here? It's always responding to me

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when I'm making my crappy owl call, and I kind

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of look at that very differently now. And then there

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was also a night where we had the thickest fog

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I've ever seen on the island, being on the river

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like that, and all the leaves had fallen. This might

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have been after I think it was possibly after our

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seeing him crossing. And I was out sitting on the

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porch having ciders and I can hear somebody walking in

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the leaves out in front of where we park our cars,

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and I was like, who is this person walking in

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the trees over here? And I was thinking that it

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was somebody that was trying to have an encampment nearby

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and thought that there being a really thick fog would

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be a good time to go poke around. And I

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didn't like that, so I started kind of like talking.

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I was like, you know, you really really not a

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good idea for you to be poking around here. And

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I called my partner out and I'm just like, there's

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somebody walking out over here, and he's just you know,

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like I said, our relationship was kind of shot to

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pieces at that point. And there's a can of sider

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in my hand, and he's just kind of like, okay,

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all right, calling whatever, and he goes inside. He never

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hears anything because he doesn't even he doesn't believe me.

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He doesn't spend any time on the porch with me,

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and so it's just me and this person that I

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mean thirty thirty feet from me, you know. And when

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I talked to it, it stopped, it was listening to me,

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and I was like, hey, I just I mean, you know,

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folks over here, they just are on the island itself.

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They do not take kindly to folks wandering around on properties.

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You're going to get hurt, You're going to get shot,

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you know, like you need to think about that and

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and be very very careful. You know. I wasn't like

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threatening it to shoot it or anything, but I just

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it needs to know that it's very dangerous to be

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going around people's homes like that. It's just very dangerous.

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And and it did. It just kind of started backing

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up and and I think it went towards this tree

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line that I would wo who at from my porch,

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and I just never put all that together ever before that.

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So yeah, and then there was even there was even

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when we go camping, we'd always camp out on Mount

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Hood and we'd go out to twenty four to forty

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six out past Ripplebrook Ranger Station, and we had this

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spot called Big Fan. And this was way back in

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the day when there wasn't a lot of people out

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there ever, and the ranger would come and try to

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see firewood and warning, did not have your fire too big.

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And some mold big trees out there. And it's right

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on the Collar Wash where it splits off into the

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Clackamas River. It's a really beautiful site and it's big

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enough to hold a couple of families. So one year

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we went with another family, and that night, my friend's

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dad he's like, so, you know about the mountain men, right,

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And I'm like, oh, okay, you know this is some

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campfire stuff. Sure, I just think it was twelve at

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the time. And he's like, yeah, there's mountain men out here.

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And then my dad's standing there, and I think he's

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trying to mitigate where he thinks this is going, because

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we never talked about Bigfoot, you know, more than Harry

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and the Henderson's, you know. And my dad's like, there

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are some men that come back from Vietnam that did

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not adjust to society and they prefer to stay out

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in the woods. And my friend's dad, I think, takes

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his cue and kind of lets up a little bit

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and he's like, no, they come into your camp at

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night when everyone's asleep, and they just take some beer

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and some hot dogs, just enough for a snack, you know.

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And I was like, oh, okay, sure, So I stayed up.

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I stayed up, and I waited to mature. Everybody was

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asleep before I let myself fall asleep, and I got

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up first as well, and I went and I looked

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in that cooler, and sure, sure enough, there was less

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00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:19.000
stuff in there, and I was like, man, I didn't

464
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.800
hear anything come into camp, you know. So it just

465
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:27.960
really fascinated me that there's people people ing around me

466
00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:31.559
and I can't hear, see, or be aware of them

467
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.960
at all. It just it just totally blew my mind.

468
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.320
What I didn't know was that was probably one of

469
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.960
the last times that our family went camping out there together.

470
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.320
My dad's mental health kind of started to deteriorate, and

471
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.360
you know, having teenagers just was taking wearing our parents out,

472
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.400
and we just never did it again. But I remember

473
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.320
we had gone back to that spot yearly now for

474
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.519
I sent up my tent, I share it with my

475
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.239
sister and brother of geting like, oh, I'm just kind

476
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.119
of lay here for a minute, and I like laid

477
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:11.320
there and I could just hear the trees, and I

478
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.440
was like, man, it just like it just feels like

479
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:21.840
they remember me, like like like we're familiar to the trees,

480
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:26.599
you know. And I have like these these thoughts about

481
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:31.079
like you know, when people pass away, you know, they

482
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.719
kind of after a certain point, they they kind of

483
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:40.880
become more elemental and they come into the forests and

484
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.119
some of it's dark and some of it's not, you know,

485
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.239
but it's just it's just so beautiful, big and sacred,

486
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:53.679
you know. And and I just always thought that I'm

487
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:58.239
a really weird kid, like to you know, like I

488
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.039
didn't I wouldn't even share those thoughts of anyone, you know,

489
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.000
because I was that weird kid, and I wasn't trying

490
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.519
to perpetuate it more than it already was that way,

491
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:16.039
you know, I wanted to be normal so bad, and yeah,

492
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:23.280
like that was that's basically all the the past. And

493
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:29.559
now we're living in this remote area, an unincorporated land

494
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.840
at a butt blm land with transmission lines, wooden transmission lines.

495
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:43.719
There's a reservoir nearby with a preserve forests around it,

496
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:48.159
and behind our property the forest goes all the way

497
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:53.639
to the coast for forty miles. And I don't want

498
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.559
to go for walks by myself. Me and my mom

499
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:59.800
will walk when she's up for it, and we'll just

500
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:04.320
pay a little walk down logging road down our neighbor's property.

501
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:11.800
And and so you know, last week we uh take

502
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:16.320
the dog, and even my cat went with me that time. Billy,

503
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.480
he's a year and a half and he wanted to

504
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.360
follow us and you know, I totally am into that

505
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.000
that he was freaked out about the forest. You know,

506
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.760
it's pretty overwhelming for a little guy. And we're only

507
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:34.159
like one hundred and fifty feet from the house, and

508
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.559
me and my mom got the dog and she's a

509
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:44.480
little further up, and I'm trying to coax Billy because

510
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.719
he's timid. When I look back at Billy, he was frozen.

511
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:54.760
He was locking eyes with something, and my Mom's continuing

512
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.719
me to walk, and so I'm like, oh, I better

513
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.199
go pick him up, you know, and go get him.

514
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.480
And I walk up and as soon as I come

515
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.360
close enough to him, he's like, yep, let's get out

516
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:08.239
of here. He starts logging back and I go to

517
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.480
pick him up, and I can hear a movement on

518
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:18.280
either side of this logging road. And I finished picking

519
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:21.559
up Billy and he's all about being held at this moment,

520
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:28.280
and I can hear the tree ox and I caught three.

521
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:33.239
But I went hey, Mom, and she stopped and waited

522
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:36.280
for me to catch up with her with the leaving

523
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.599
my arms. You know, let's let me carry him a

524
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.880
whole fifty feet. And I was like, ah, I thought,

525
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.119
I here's some treeknocks there. You know, I thought I

526
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.119
heard three, you know, what did you hear? She was like,

527
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.719
I was, I heard four or five? And they were gentle.

528
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:58.320
They weren't. They weren't Louie the Slugger tree Knox and whatever.

529
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.000
We continue and I want to check out this kind

530
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.000
of overgrown road that was pretty near where our stopping

531
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:09.079
point was last time. And I was thinking about leaving

532
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:11.199
a special rock or something, but I didn't bring one

533
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:15.639
with me. So we go down this little road and

534
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.519
I thought I saw visual movement, but whatever, possibly a deer.

535
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.320
We stand there a little bit and then there's, you know,

536
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:30.079
a rapid like five knock and we're just like, okay,

537
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.400
you know, let's go ahead and hit back. And then

538
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:38.280
there was a ground squirrel that started like calling, super agro,

539
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:45.840
like yoked out squirrel out there, just calling on. When

540
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.920
we started heading out now, it was just kind of huts.

541
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:56.719
That's pretty interesting. So yeah, growing up out here and

542
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:02.000
living out here is really great. But all of a sudden,

543
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:08.599
very recently, there's just like this whole new kind of

544
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:14.320
shift in my perception for it, and it's been pretty

545
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.719
challenging to adjust to it because I need to just

546
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:24.760
go to work, you know, and it's kind of you know,

547
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.400
you have like this mind blowing experience and then you

548
00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:31.400
just got to go do some really mundane stuff. How

549
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:36.119
could you do anything else when this is you know,

550
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:41.840
has like so much meaning behind it, that means so

551
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:47.639
much other stuff is real and true, and it's just

552
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:54.320
kind of shatters your you know, agreed upon understanding of

553
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.800
your reality. And I just you know, there's a part

554
00:42:57.800 --> 00:42:59.360
of me that was just like man, that's in a

555
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.840
way it can be really scary, And this is the

556
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:03.960
kind of stuff in the twentieth century that you know,

557
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.559
people would try to put these folks into a cage

558
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.519
so you can observe them and feel safe, and you

559
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.800
know they need to be protected. They don't. They're in

560
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:19.400
a lot of danger. All these fires and people literally

561
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:24.920
trying to make history and some gruesome way. It's pretty scary.

562
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.280
So I just kind of worry about them now.

563
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.079
So Colin, you definitely have been through a lot. Thank

564
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:40.800
you for sharing that entire account. Do you mind if

565
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:43.239
I ask you a few questions about different things?

566
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:45.239
Sure? Sure.

567
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.840
First off, I want to say I'm glad you're okay.

568
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:56.119
In general, I'm very glad you're okay, keep being okay,

569
00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:04.360
all right. Yeah, So it feels like there was a

570
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.079
point where you'd said that you may have had a

571
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:11.800
visual of something, But the way you were talking about

572
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.199
it feels like you may have talked yourself out of it.

573
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.440
Maybe like when our logical I say, like when our

574
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:22.000
logical side of our brain kind of talks too loud

575
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:26.360
and it over talks our big foot side. Do you

576
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.440
remember anything about what you think you may have seen

577
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.719
or any details about that that time?

578
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.760
So you're talking about walking along with my mom? Yeah,

579
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:50.280
a week ago. So yeah, So I had looked down

580
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:53.880
this little road and it's completely covered in green, you know,

581
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:58.360
it's but it's really wide, and I figure there might

582
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:05.199
have been a road to an old homestead. It's very

583
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:09.039
level and it and it looks like the creek. It

584
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:17.079
even has like a covert, uh so that the road

585
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:21.480
continues over the creek. And I just kind of was

586
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:27.320
curious if the road turned a little bit. So I

587
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.440
had stepped into the road so that all of that

588
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:38.239
vision vision was opened to me, and as I looked down,

589
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:47.000
it was like a a blur of and it was

590
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:51.480
like maybe a little black, maybe a little can and

591
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.440
it was just to the right, which there was no

592
00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:03.079
rushing through the brush. The I mean the forest floor

593
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:09.559
over here isn't the thickest brush in all places. Sometimes

594
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.280
you can see pretty far as far as like you know,

595
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:19.559
forest floors are concerned, but in this area there there

596
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.760
was it was pretty thick, you know, and there's the

597
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:29.039
creek right there, so you really just couldn't vanish without

598
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.960
making a sound. And even like when you when you

599
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:38.719
alerted her, because we come across to your quite often

600
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:44.559
and they freeze and they're perfectly fine lockinize with you,

601
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.559
but they'd rather just kind of stay still as long

602
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.280
as you don't move towards them. And they'll do that

603
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:55.599
until you move out of out of their visual spectrum.

604
00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:00.280
Not that they'll move off or you'll get them ooped,

605
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.519
and then they'll they'll make noise, they'll do their little

606
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:11.159
prance hop away and that is a very particular sound.

607
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:13.760
And there was none of that, absolutely none of that.

608
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:20.239
But the sounds that we heard, the five tree knocks,

609
00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:27.280
which were softer, so they weren't alerting everyone within a

610
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:33.639
mile and a half. They were alerting us or someone

611
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:40.440
closer to them perhaps, And it wasn't necessarily threatening, but

612
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:45.159
it was. But it was definitely like a very thorough acknowledgment,

613
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.840
and it would have been in the general direction that

614
00:47:48.920 --> 00:47:52.519
this movement that I saw was going in. You know,

615
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.719
when we came back down the road on the way home,

616
00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.880
I was like, you know, so, I know I heard

617
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.920
moving on both sides, but I don't know what Billy

618
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:09.679
was looking at. And the five tree knocks came from

619
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:12.199
that side of the road, and I was like, I

620
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.360
want to make extra pay extra attention because they had

621
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:21.519
they've done some logging nearby, and they got a bulldozers

622
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:29.039
busting up the ground on the road, so it's much

623
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.480
easier to leave an imprint. So I was trying to

624
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:38.360
pay a little extra attention. We didn't see anything, but

625
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:47.119
certainly our Calhoun Ricky was certainly very interested in some

626
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:55.119
areas with alerting in other areas. And you know, and

627
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.119
later that night, you know, my mom's husband went to

628
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:04.800
bed and so I was like, you know, so about that,

629
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.800
what do you think it was? And she's like, I

630
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.320
don't know what that was? All right, Well was it

631
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:18.079
a woodpecker? She goes, no, No, that was not a bird. Yeah,

632
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:23.760
that's as far as it went. But I definitely feel

633
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:30.920
like this would be ideal area for an animal to live,

634
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:37.840
except that we're closer and closer to more developed areas.

635
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:44.079
But like I said, from here west, it's just it's

636
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:44.880
just all forest.

637
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.320
So that's wild. And that was just a week ago,

638
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:57.239
and yeah, that's that's that's very interesting. Definitely keep me

639
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.599
in the loop about that, because I mean, that could ease.

640
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:05.639
There could be other stuff that happened out there easily.

641
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:09.280
So yeah, I feel like our I asked my mom

642
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:13.159
about our property that we're on, and it's like how

643
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:18.639
long has this been a home? You know? And the

644
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:27.199
property goes back in record to like nineteen oh five,

645
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:32.119
so this wasn't recently settled, you know, which I would think,

646
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.360
would you know, you would I would. I would expect

647
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:40.239
more disruption if that were the case. If you know,

648
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:44.840
if you had recently encroached on areas that may have

649
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.239
been considered somebody else's that they would be more apt

650
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:55.760
to being a little bit more upset about being disturbed.

651
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:01.960
But from what I understand, you know, like these these

652
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.719
these folks out here, you know, I think that they're

653
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:12.440
when they showed up, so were these homes were here,

654
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:18.039
so that's kind of like this understanding that they both exist.

655
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:25.159
And I'm just, yeah, I'm terribly interested to you know,

656
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:29.280
continued to go for walks, and but I don't want

657
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:34.360
to do it alone. And uh, and I just I do.

658
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:40.239
I just want to be really thoughtful because like I

659
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:44.400
said before, I just you know, I want them to

660
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.960
stay mysterious in a way. I don't I think that

661
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:53.119
it's necessary for you know, them to be completely understood

662
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:56.360
inside and out and every little feature of them need

663
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.119
to be documented. And you know, I don't think that

664
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:06.320
that's necessary at all. And and I just I'm just

665
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.880
so worried about them in that way.

666
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:17.280
Yeah, that's that's very interesting viewpoint. And I can I

667
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:21.320
can definitely see what you're saying for sure. Do you

668
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:25.920
have any close neighbors to that property?

669
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:32.000
Right, Yeah, we do. There's we're at the end of

670
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.800
a dirt road that's off of another dirt road, off

671
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:39.760
another dirt road, and there's folks right across from the

672
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:41.880
end of our road from us. And then there's another

673
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:47.320
stead on our road that I would say is like

674
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:54.639
two hundred feet or so from us, like an acre away,

675
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:57.920
and they're the ones that have just recently cleared some

676
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.119
of this area near where we live, and I think

677
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:08.199
there's even another further neighbor and their family has large

678
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.679
areas of land divided between their family members and they

679
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.239
log from time to time too, but I haven't really

680
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:22.639
gotten to know any of them. What's interesting is that,

681
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:26.719
like when we get down to the main turn off

682
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:32.719
to get onto uh, the main paved road on that

683
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:40.440
corner is a homestead and they have a wood carving

684
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:45.920
of they put right there, you know. So it's it's

685
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:51.559
pretty curious. I wouldn't know how to from from what

686
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:58.719
I understand, you know, we look like Portlanders basically, so

687
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:03.079
even though her Husban then grew up around this area,

688
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:06.639
you know, me showing up and my mom, you know,

689
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:12.719
we're you know, these invaders from an urban area that

690
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:18.800
isn't really well looked upon by a large amount of

691
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:24.800
people over a wide area. And so I wouldn't even

692
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:29.079
know how I would begin to broach even a small

693
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:32.559
talk conversation. I think that it would take a lot

694
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:38.480
to gain anyone's confidence at all in this area too.

695
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.840
That's we're just kind of outsiders. But but I love

696
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:44.519
I would love.

697
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:49.320
To though, Yeah, I mean, it's it's one of those

698
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.320
things where it's easier said than done, right, because it's

699
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:56.280
it's it feels like if I was in that situation,

700
00:54:56.519 --> 00:55:00.239
I would definitely want to first know my neighbors, and

701
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.360
especially if I was looking in a big foot in

702
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.480
that situation and one of them has a big like

703
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:09.920
carved bigfoot, I mean, it's like, come on, you got

704
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.440
to right again, it's easier said than done. So I

705
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.480
don't know, if I've.

706
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:20.679
Been around the situation, I think that from time to

707
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.880
time there's like some sort of a pot luck, maybe

708
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:28.440
just because there's some ranch land, and you know, some

709
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:32.559
of these families go back, you know, I think you

710
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:38.679
know too, after the Indian Wars, a lot of the

711
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:43.960
folks settled out here. The soldiers they got some nice

712
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:47.880
picks of land out here before it became settled, and

713
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:53.440
so a lot of these families have been here ever since.

714
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:58.480
And so I think that it would be really cool

715
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:03.400
if I I would definitely go and try to socialize

716
00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:08.599
and see if I could mention or admire the big

717
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.239
folk sculpture and see where it led.

718
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:16.159
So I got the idea, Okay, here's what you're gonna do.

719
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:20.519
So you the next time they have the pot look

720
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:26.440
or whatever. Yeah, you make cookies that are in the

721
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:27.840
shape of a bigfoot.

722
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:30.320
I can do it.

723
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.519
It's like a conversational piece type deale. I don't know

724
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.119
I could do that. There he is, I hear him.

725
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:46.480
Yeah he's going wild. Yeah he's a knucklehead.

726
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:53.239
What I was going to ask is going back to

727
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:57.039
when you lived on the island and you had the sighting,

728
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:01.760
was it close enough that you could or do you

729
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:07.159
remember any details about the face or just details about

730
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:09.599
it in general that you know made you kind of

731
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.119
think like, oh, that that's weird or that is like

732
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.400
how they always say it is or it's not. It's different.

733
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:28.159
No clothes. Obviously I made eye contact with it, so

734
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.880
I but it was all black and I was I

735
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:38.960
would say it was six and a half or seven feet.

736
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:43.079
It didn't I didn't get a really good look at

737
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:46.039
the hands or I didn't even look at it its feet.

738
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:49.440
And even though I was looking right at its face,

739
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:51.519
and I mean I'm coming towards it, even though we

740
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:56.079
slowed down quite a bit, it was the only thing

741
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:59.360
I was seeing, and I still didn't get like any

742
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.639
more death nis. It was just kind of all in

743
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:08.000
this mess of black and I would. I felt like

744
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.559
the shape of its head wasn't too cone like. I

745
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:16.119
felt like it was more rounded, but perhaps was a

746
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:20.079
bit higher, you know. I think that it almost looked normal,

747
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.559
because some people wear their hair higher up on their

748
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:26.280
head like that, you know, So it didn't even that

749
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:33.480
didn't even visually seem like too wildly unhuman, I mean,

750
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:38.639
unhuman to me at all. And I just kind of

751
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:43.000
gone back over it and over it, and I think

752
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.760
it had to have heard us coming down this gravel road.

753
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:55.079
Why would it do that? You know? And again you're

754
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:57.800
talking to my mom and she's like, you know, it

755
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.440
could have been a young adult and it had been,

756
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:05.559
you know, corralled by its parents tell him that, no,

757
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:08.599
you can't do that, No, you can't do that. And

758
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:12.440
it's like finding its own range out there, you know,

759
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:16.320
trying to do its own thing. Not sure why, you know,

760
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:21.599
the previous generations were so paranoid about people, you know,

761
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:32.159
and because it didn't seem afraid, it's almost like it

762
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.840
wanted to be seen, which I just boggles my mind.

763
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:43.679
I don't get it at all. And so I mean

764
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:48.360
I don't really speak with my partner of that time

765
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:53.199
very much. He started a new relationship, and I hope

766
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.599
he has success, and so I just try to leave

767
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.760
him alone. But I was like, if I'm gonna go

768
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.079
as far as to talk to you, Jeremiah, you know,

769
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:05.800
I'll go ahead and reach out. So I so I did,

770
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:11.000
and we were texting and I was like, hey, I

771
01:00:11.000 --> 01:00:13.119
was gonna ask you a question, and he's like, go ahead,

772
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:18.960
and I'm like, do you remember seeing Bigfoot? And he's like,

773
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:22.400
uh no, I mean was it up north? Was it south?

774
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:26.880
Because we were outdoors a lot and he's from the

775
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:34.159
Olympic Peninsula and uh And I just gave him the

776
01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:39.199
the details of it, the synapse, and he goes, I

777
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:43.679
do remember that, and I was just like, okay, you know,

778
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:48.480
like it doesn't really do anything, it really doesn't change anything.

779
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:53.639
But it again just kind of like when my friend,

780
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:59.000
you know, apologized for being so intense about my story

781
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:02.440
and and you know, kind of being like I apologize

782
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:04.559
about that, it just kind of gave me this like

783
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.360
comfort in being believed.

784
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:13.039
So yeah, absolutely, I mean, it's always good to have

785
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:19.920
someone else on your side when you've experienced something that's

786
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.840
out of the ordinary like that. I can definitely get

787
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:27.960
that who broke eye contact first, when you had eye contact.

788
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:34.679
With it, I do believe that it did, or it

789
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:40.880
might have just gone out of view. But when we

790
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:44.840
pulled up and came to a stop, when we could

791
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:54.119
see him again in this like hedgerow, he had stopped

792
01:01:54.760 --> 01:02:01.800
and was waiting and looked and at me. But I mean,

793
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.760
my partner was right in line with me, so I

794
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:10.280
would imagine that he may have felt similar that he

795
01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:15.800
also was talking eyes with this you know person, basically

796
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.400
is how it feels, you know. And there was like

797
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:24.400
this just moment that lasted probably four seconds or so,

798
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:30.119
but felt like an extended amount of time before it

799
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:35.480
ducked into the hedges. And then, you know, after my

800
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:40.000
friend was being critical and saying, well, what do you

801
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:42.800
mean by it was waiting for you? He kept asking

802
01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:44.840
that over and I was like, I kind of felt silly,

803
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:48.119
like it was waiting for me, Like what do I mean? Well,

804
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.679
what I think was actually happiness. It was trying to

805
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.840
make sure we weren't going to turn down that access road,

806
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:54.639
that we weren't going to come and try to get

807
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:57.840
a better look at it. That's what I think makes sense,

808
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.039
you know. And after it realized that we weren't turning

809
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:04.880
down that road. I mean, there's no there's no barrier

810
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:07.280
from us to do it, but but I would have

811
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.559
felt like it was disrespectful. That's an access road for

812
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:14.119
some someone's field. You know, I'm not trying to go

813
01:03:14.199 --> 01:03:19.440
after onto somebody's private property to that extent, but I

814
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:24.079
know some people would. So it was, you know, worried

815
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:25.239
about it a little bit.

816
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.519
What was the main thing that you noticed that made

817
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.280
you give it a kind of a classification of something

818
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:34.960
that was human?

819
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:45.360
When I looked at this, I never thought about an ape.

820
01:03:45.559 --> 01:03:49.119
I never thought about a monkey. I never thought of

821
01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:53.360
any sort of primate that I've known of like that

822
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:57.679
didn't it didn't enter my mind in one in any way.

823
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.679
Like it looked like a hairy person. And I tried

824
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.280
really hard to like crank it, and it took me

825
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:13.239
years of digesting it myself quietly before I could just

826
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:17.519
say it out loud that that was a hairy person.

827
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:22.480
Was that was a bigfoot that was maybe not as

828
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:25.960
large as other bigfoot, but I mean, I actually recently

829
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:29.280
they got you pick farms out there. Me and my

830
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:34.360
sister took her son out and went very picking, and

831
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.079
I was like Hey, what do you think about throwing

832
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:38.480
the kid out in the water. She had no idea

833
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:42.159
that there were beaches out there, so we did. We

834
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:44.559
went and took the kid out to the beach, threw

835
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:47.119
him in the water, And before we left, I took

836
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.360
her down that very road. I wanted to show her

837
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:53.639
the savannah, and as we were coming down, I'm trying

838
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:57.840
to figure out where exactly it was, and it didn't

839
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.480
come out of a foot trail, was an access road

840
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:03.320
also that it had come out of. So it was

841
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:08.239
walking down these access roads and there's wetlands in between

842
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:12.559
these areas too. There's fields wetlands, and they all have

843
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:13.360
like little.

844
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:17.760
Access footpaths or you can access some of the Some

845
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:22.639
are smaller for you know, four by fours, and then

846
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:24.559
you have like straight up, you know.

847
01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:31.039
Stuff for trucks. So these are straight up access roads

848
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:36.440
and they don't line up completely. And so it's the

849
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:41.360
last set of access roads before you really get to

850
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:47.079
the end before the cattle guard. And I finally riding

851
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:49.719
with my sister, I'm explaining to her, I'm letting her

852
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.880
know I had this experience. As we're rolling down this

853
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:59.480
road and I'm looking at I'm looking at these BlackBerry brambles, which,

854
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:08.239
without trees to climb, grow into BlackBerry brambles, you know,

855
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.400
they'll get like six or seven feet tall or so.

856
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:17.760
But these were growing into trees planted as a barrier

857
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:24.559
for their fields. So the tops of these BlackBerry brambles

858
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:29.880
were somewhere around you know, twelve feet or more. So

859
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:34.559
I just wonder about, like how when you see something

860
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:37.280
in your brain really just tries to cram it into

861
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:42.239
the parameters that it's used to. So you know, maybe

862
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:45.800
it was considerably taller than six and a half seven

863
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:51.079
feet like I originally thought when I had had the experience,

864
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:56.199
and it could have been much taller because you know,

865
01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:03.400
there's there's no like, uh street sign, poll at the

866
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:07.039
at the corner there, or a mailbox. There's it's all

867
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:12.800
just you know, wildland tall trees and monster BlackBerry bushes.

868
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:17.719
So there's a question about that in my mind.

869
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:22.119
Yeah, would you ever want to see you one again?

870
01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:27.039
I don't know.

871
01:07:29.559 --> 01:07:35.159
It's kind of interesting because you know, I loved Jane Goodall,

872
01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:39.320
and everybody you know wants to feel special, right. I

873
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:42.880
don't necessarily feel special, Okay, I feel like people This

874
01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:46.760
isn't as a unique experience as we're sold it is okay,

875
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:54.639
but uh, you know, there's like this fantasy of like, oh,

876
01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:57.679
you know, we could be friends and I can help

877
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:03.199
protect them or something, you know. But I think that

878
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:09.519
the more I see them means that the more that

879
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:14.000
they are exposed to other people, which would endanger them.

880
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:17.239
So in a way, no, I don't know, you know,

881
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:20.880
you know, in my heart, you know, I have like

882
01:08:20.960 --> 01:08:26.159
this huge love for like this region. It's not just

883
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:30.520
the state of Oregon specific northwest, you know, I love

884
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:36.960
this landscape in such an intimate way that like growing

885
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:40.720
up here, like you know, two twenty four got burnt

886
01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:43.439
to a crisp you know, and when I drove out

887
01:08:43.479 --> 01:08:46.520
that way after they opened the road up, I cannot

888
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.560
tell you how much it tore me to pieces. And

889
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:51.720
then I couldn't even get to the camp spot to

890
01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:54.520
see if those trees that I felt recognized me where

891
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:56.279
they're not. I think they did survive, by the way,

892
01:08:56.359 --> 01:09:03.279
but I haven't seen them myself since. But this is

893
01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:09.319
like this really deep reverence and in this this feeling

894
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.680
of responsibility and this drive to do what I can

895
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:19.119
to preserve it. And and I think to do that,

896
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:24.239
you've got to let these areas be wild and and

897
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:30.520
protect them. And so you know, I think that my

898
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:35.640
love for them overpowers this, you know, part of me

899
01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:42.920
to have this validate, validating experience. I'd much rather than

900
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.560
be safe and if I had to not ever see

901
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:49.199
one again, to ensure their safety, that's what I want.

902
01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:53.159
I think that's a beautiful way to put it. And yeah,

903
01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:57.359
I just let's say thank you again for spending some

904
01:09:57.399 --> 01:10:00.560
time this afternoon sharing what you've experienced over the years, Colleen.

905
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:05.840
Has been a very interesting conversation and I appreciate you

906
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:07.680
coming on today.

907
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.319
Yeah, I appreciate you making time for me too. Thank

908
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:10.960
you so much.

909
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:14.439
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

910
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.720
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

911
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.479
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

912
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:24.359
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

913
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:27.640
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

914
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:31.119
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something

915
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.119
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

916
01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:38.119
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

917
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:41.039
upon something you're not allowed to talk about, and if

918
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.600
you're a firefighter paramedic or search and rescue responder who's

919
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:48.239
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

920
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.960
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field

921
01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:55.560
or trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen

922
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:59.359
that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist,

923
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:03.119
a wild life specialist, or a field researcher under contract

924
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:06.600
who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If

925
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.439
you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual

926
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:13.199
retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or

927
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.600
if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or anything

928
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:21.119
with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then

929
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:24.439
I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

930
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.760
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

931
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.640
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

932
01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:38.560
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

933
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.840
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

934
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:45.720
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

935
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:48.199
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

936
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:51.359
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

937
01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:53.159
is often hiding just beyond the tree.

938
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:53.560
Line.

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