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Oct. 8, 2026

Father and Son Went Fishing—Then Something Swam Toward Them!

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A father and son go fishing at an isolated Illinois quarry pond. A creature growls from the opposite bank, jumps into the water, and begins swimming toward them.


In Bigfoot Society Episode 1215, author and longtime nurse John Reiners shares this reported 1983 encounter from Jackson County, Illinois—a place the previous owner had kept off limits to his own family. What happened there left the fishermen running for safety and their grandfather with questions of his own.


John also recounts his personal Kentucky encounter: a massive, hair-covered creature chasing a buck on all fours before rising onto two legs. That night launched a search for answers that eventually led to his newest book, Aquatic Sasquatch.


Join Jeremiah Byron and John for a conversation about swimming Bigfoot reports, unusual movement, and John’s theories about how these creatures might navigate the water.

Resources:

John Reiner’s First Episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHiI3Fnk3bY

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fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,

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please go to the CaringBridge link in the show notes.

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your local emergency number right now. And thank you for

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taking care of yourself while listening. All right, Bigfoot Society,

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we've got the privilege of talking to a friend, John

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Reiners today. John is an author and we'll show it

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right off the bat. Newest book is Aquatic Sasquatch. We're

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going to be talking about today. It is an amazing book.

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We've had, we were just talking, John, we recorded our

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first interview and you were like, this is about a

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year ago today, which is pretty wild. So welcome to

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the show, John. How are you doing today, sir?

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I'm doing just peachy, Jeremiah. I've been fishing at Dale

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Hollow Lake, so life can't get any better than that.

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I love it.

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I love it. What a lake that is. It's massive.

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It's beautiful.

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Man, how have things been for you since the last

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time we talked with this whole journey you're on?

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Well, everything's gone well. I'll give a little bit of

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bio for those that hadn't seen me on your show

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a year ago. My name's John Reiners. I've written three

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books that I would say I graduated high school in 85.

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So I'll be 60 coming up next month. So I'm

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kind of getting long in the tooth to my coworkers.

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I work at a hospital. So most of the people

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I work with, they're a lot younger. So I'm the

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old man, but guess who they come to if they

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need some advice. So I've been a nurse for 26 years.

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I worked orthopedics for 20. The last five years I

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work in mental health and there's a family history. And like,

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I have a sister that, that unfortunately committed suicide. At

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one point. So I knew at some point I would

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get into working in mental health. And with that, that's

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very rewarding. It's tough to do. But years earlier, my

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nursing career, I wouldn't have been able to talk to

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people who are depressed and sad. So I always tell people,

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if you're in any kind of deep depression, make sure

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to get help. Don't try to self-treat or self-medicate. That

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does not really work. But anyway, I was in the U.S.

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Coast Guard after high school. saved up money for college,

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then started a wicker and rattan importing business, did that.

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And one day I just realized after working 100 some

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days in a row without a day off, you know what?

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I wanted to go to nursing in the 80s or

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early 90s. I went to nursing school and the rest

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is history. So that's kind of a little bit of

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bio on me.

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Absolutely.

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You've had quite the journey and you have had an

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actual Bigfoot encounter yourself, which we talked about in the

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first episode, but we realized there could be some people

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that haven't heard that. You'll have to go back and

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listen to it. But do you mind sharing a bit

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about what happened that day when you had that experience?

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Yeah, it was about a year ago when I was

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on your show and that was episode 969. And it

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was about the same time of year. But anyway, to

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kind of encapsulate I'll kind of abbreviate the beginning and

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the setup, but long story short, I was being sent

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home at the hospital. I worked on an immunocompromised unit

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and I was also working on the COVID floor. Well,

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I couldn't take COVID back to the other floor. It'd

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be devastating for the patients there. So they would swab

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you every morning after work. Well, that evening I was

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ready to go to work, tested positive. So you can't

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come to work for seven days. So I'm fortunate enough,

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I built a little cabin up at Rough River Lake,

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which is in Breckenridge County where I'm at. And it's

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about 58 miles from my home in Owensboro. So to

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get away from my wife and my elderly father-in-law who

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was staying with us at the time, I wanted to

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quarantine at the lake. So I drive, it's about a

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58 mile drive from Owensboro up here to the cabin.

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And I go through a town, I go 54 East

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and I get to the town of Fordsville just past Fordsville.

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There's a highway 261. And, um, 261, you take north,

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it's an 11 mile stretch. And that's where I had

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my encounter. You got 11 miles to go and then

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you hit 105 south to go straight to Ruff River Lake.

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So on this 11 mile stretch, if you GPS it,

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it's a very rural, there's farming areas. So there's agriculture,

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food supply, corn, deer, but there's a lot of woods

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that come in and meander through it. And a lot

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of them come right up to the road. It's a

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road that you really have to watch. I've had horses

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come out and escape from farms. I've had deer. armadillos,

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all kinds of stuff. So you really got to kind

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of pay attention. I was kind of dozing off, you know,

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just looking at the line, watching for animals. I get

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about 10 miles up the road. On the right side

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of the road, you got some woods that come up

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to the road. On the left side, you have a

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row of trees right along the road. And then you

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have a gap of about 30 yards with some of

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the farming field that goes in between the two ravines.

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The second ravine was about 30 yards back from the

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first one and extended about 100 yards further. So keep

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that point in mind, the end of that ravine. So

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as I'm coming down on the right side, all of

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a sudden I see this greenish-white eyeshine. This animal enters

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the highway right away. I could see it was a buck.

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It was a trophy. If I was a hunter, that

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would be one you'd want to put on your wall.

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It had four or five times on each side, well-spread rack.

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So he gets up there. On the road, stops. He's

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looking off to the left towards the end of that ravine.

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the second ravine, kind of that direction, maybe at my eight,

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eight o'clock. So as I'm coming up, this deer's not

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even paying attention to me. And I couldn't figure out what,

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he looked kind of tired. He was panting. I'm getting closer.

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It's just a rural two lane highway. And at this

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time of year, it was about 9 PM in November.

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It was November 20th of November 17th of 2020. So

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I get up there and the thing's not going to move.

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So obviously I'm going to have to stop, get slower, slower.

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And before I stop over on the left at the

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end of that ravine, The second one, something catches my eye.

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I see two gold eyes shining back at me and

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they looked to me like about a size of a

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silver dollar. But what struck me is they were looking

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face on. It was like a predator kind of look.

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Now I grew up in the black Hills of South

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Dakota and we would get mountain lions on our property

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at certain times. So I've seen them and I know

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what their eyes shine looks like. So I know predator,

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but they were big. If it was a mountain lion,

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I was thinking, oh my gosh, this has got to

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be a world record mountain lion. We get occasional mountain

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lions in this area, but they're not something that's regular.

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But that was the first thing I thought, especially because

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it was about three feet off the ground. And beyond

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that ravine, it was all farmer's field. So he was

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standing right at the end of that ravine on the

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field level with the surface where I was at. So

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it was about three feet off the ground. I'm thinking,

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if this is a mountain lion, he's the biggest one

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in the history. But as I come up, if you

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notice how your headlights shine ahead, you get the the

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shine to the sides of your headlight. So you could

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see as you're coming closer, it illuminated what this was.

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And this thing had, I had the size of a

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basketball and it was large eyes. I saw a hooded nose.

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You could see gray skin and the rest of it

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seemed to be hair covered. Now it wasn't your classical

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conical shaped head. His head was shaped more like Brock Lesnar,

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the all-star wrestler that used to be. And anyway, the

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thing about it, it was on all fours. And it

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was moving helter skelter when like it laid its eyes

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on me. I think he was headed my way and

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he was going back and forth, just like on that picture.

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That's what I was looking at with the pair of

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gold eyes. I don't think they were glowing. I think

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my headlight was illuminating them. So that's what I'm looking at.

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And that's what this deer's looking at, apparently, because he

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was looking off in that way. So I come to

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almost a stop. Well, suddenly this deer bolts and he's

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going off into the open field. I'm thinking, why didn't

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he just turn around and go back to where he

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came from? I can explain the why in a minute.

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So he takes off at about 10 or 11 o'clock

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out into this open field. Well, this creature that's on

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this picture right here, he turns towards where the deer's

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running and in a smooth operation, he goes to galloping.

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So his legs and arms, at that time, I thought

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they were all legs. They all form into more like

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how a wolf would run and it starts running. towards

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this deer. He's gaining on him. This deer, for some reason,

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wasn't running as fast as what you'd think a deer

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running scared would run. I think it was because he

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was tired, but he was running and this thing was

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gaining on him. But as it approached him, it went

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up on two legs. It was just like a, if

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you used to see like a paper airplane going whoosh

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and going right back up, it was like that. It

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was smooth. There was no mechanical stop or awkward pause.

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It went right up to two. And a lot of

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times you'll hear people stay in the opposite like they'll

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drop and but this one went up and I think

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as it approached him he went up on two and

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I believe he went up on two because of the

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mass of antlers I think if he would have took

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it and I think they generally go for the neck

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area you think about if you're the head head level

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with the deer, you could have possibly run those horns

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into your face or your eye. I think he went

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up to be higher than the horns. And as he

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approached it, it got out of my eye, eye light.

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So I rolled, rolled my window down and I'm seeing

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if I could hear anything. I really couldn't until I

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hear a crash from the woods on my right where

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this deer came out of So then I was like,

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I don't know if something was coming through the woods

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or something through a tree or smashed a tree. It

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was a loud crash. So at that point, I took off.

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I was in this Ford F-156 cylinder. I took off

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and I went up the road because I thought something

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was going to come through and rip the door off

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my truck. So I stopped at this little post office

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in the town. It's not really a town. Now, if

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you Google it, there's a few more buildings. But at

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the time, there's just a little trailer of a post

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office and a service station kitty corner. Now, I think

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there's a church. But it's just a four-way stop sign,

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and you go rural left on 105, rural right 105,

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or continue on 261. So I take a right there.

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But I pulled in there at that post office just

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to assess and think about what just happened. And the

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thing about it is I was stupid enough to think

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about going back. I think I'm going to go back

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and see if I can see anything in the field.

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I felt sort of safe. because I was in my vehicle,

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but right before I could, here comes a semi, I

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hear the Jake brakes coming down that way. So I

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thought whatever's down there, it's gonna spook it all. So

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I thought, well, in seven days when I'm done quarantine,

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I'll go over there. And it was on private land

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where this thing attacked the deer. I figured I'd go

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ask the farmer. The farmer was standoffish. The first time

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I knocked, I never got an answer. A few months later,

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I stopped by again and the guy didn't really, I said,

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have you ever seen anything unusual on this farm? No.

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I don't really like people on my land, but when

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I had gone back on the road, I could not

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see any horns, but usually a big rack like that

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in Kentucky is not going to sit long. If somebody

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saw some horns, they probably walked out there and cut

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them off, but I couldn't see a carcass out there.

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But that time of year, all the fields trimmed down

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to the ovens, all the corn and everything. So it's

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easy to see that whole field. I did not see

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a carcass out there. So that's kind of what, where

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my mindset was. I get to my cabin and I,

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had a good friend of mine across the street. I

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called him and told him I was coming up. He

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put a couple of cold beverages on my doorstep, you know, soda.

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So I come in the house, I opened one of

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those sodas and I'm sitting down there. I figure I

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called my wife. I call her, I tell her, I

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tell her I'm up here. I'm safe. And she knew

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something was wrong. So long story short, I explained what

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I saw and she goes through the usually sure it

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wasn't a bear and all this stuff. So I Anyway,

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I was up here. I was going to use my

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seven days and write the rest of my fishing book

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more than just fishing. It's a funny fishing book. And

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because I saw this, I started researching to find out,

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you know, if I was going to order a book,

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I was going to get on Amazon. I think I'll

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order a book on Bigfoots on all four and see

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what I can learn. Well, lo and behold, I find

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out there was no books. So after researching, I started

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reaching out to people and I made a mistake right away.

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Don't ever just go on a website, say looking for

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witnesses online. I got so many witnesses, found some good ones.

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I talked to them. And then I realized after a while,

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I got enough information and had interviewed enough people. I

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think I do a book. So the new book launched

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off of that. And because of the way these animals move,

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the way I saw it move. And you hear people

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talking about swimming Sasquatch or Sasquatch in the water. A

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lot of people say they frog kick. I'm thinking, well,

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my theory on the joints from that first book goes

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hand in glove with the movements of people see them swimming.

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I think they have all the same type of joints.

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I can get in a little bit on my theory

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of the joints, what it would take to pull off.

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So that's kind of how I never really meant to

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start off writing Sasquatch books until I had my sighting.

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And I just was questing for information. And after you

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talk to so many people, you accumulate. I was very meticulous.

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I had a file with all my stuff. So then

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I launched right into this book.

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It is fascinating.

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And as you were saying before, if listeners want to

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hear more about that encounter and discussion about it, it's

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969 on the show. I'll have it in the show notes.

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And you also write about that, of course, in your

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first book, right, John?

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From what I remember there.

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Yeah, my whole story is laid out there really in

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more detail than what I just gave.

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Absolutely.

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The first book, I remember reading that and What struck

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me is that you have so many encounters in that

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book that I had never heard before. And I've heard

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a lot and a lot and a lot of stories.

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And I was like, man, he has some really interesting

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things in here. So I'd recommend, you know, we're going

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to be talking about aquatic Sasquatch today. But the first one,

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you definitely want to start with that because it is

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just as good. But As I was saying, we're going

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to talk about aquatic Sasquatch. So I am curious, you

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had mentioned that there was a similarity or the joints

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kind of combined the two books together in a way.

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So before I start, you had mentioned about the witnesses.

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And what's so funny about it, the advantage of a book,

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what you find is there's some people that don't want

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to necessarily some people get scared i've talked to people

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who are afraid to go on a podcast oh sure

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i mean you get a little bit of nerves and

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whatnot and um what happens too is you have some

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people i mean there's people that are professionals that come

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forward too but in my instance there's several doctors i

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talked to they don't want to go on record and

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identify their name on a podcast before free or ridicule

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from their cohorts because there's a lot of people that

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are ignorant on the issue and in this new book

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i actually have One really good story. I could share

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that story with you in a little while. But this

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lady who watched your episode 969. And when I told

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you I was thinking about doing one on the water. Well,

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she contacted me and said, I have a son, but

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he won't go on the podcast. If he went on one,

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it would go on Jeremiah's podcast. And he had an

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encounter that was a water experience. So she put me

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in touch with her son. And he was a student

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at Florida Atlantic University at medical school. field and he

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has a new job and he didn't want to be ridiculed.

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So he felt comfortable sharing it. He changed a little

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bit of detail, changed his first name so it wouldn't

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identify him, but he was comfortable doing it in a

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book form. And I find that to be something comforting

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for people. It's not, there's a lot of people would

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rather go on a podcast, but you do get some

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of them that I have a few of them that

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were on your podcast in this new book that reached

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out after seeing me on. So your show has a

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lot of reach. There was a lot of people contacted me.

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It actually made my work a little easier. to find

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some good witnesses from watching.

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I love that. That's awesome.

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So what I got here, this is a hinge joint

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versus saddle joint. So if people look at their knees

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and their elbows, we have what you call a hinge joint.

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And the thing about a hinge joint works just like

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a door. You only have the key movements. You have

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extension and you have flexion, extension, flexion. That's the only

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plane that those joints move in. Same thing with our knee.

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They can extend, they can flex. They can't go in

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a circle or, They can't move in odd angles. And

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if you think about it, with the hen's joint, there's

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some advantages. We have stability and it helps us walk

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on level ground better. If you notice, we humans have

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a little more trouble going up inclines, down and whatnot.

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It's not quite, it's more of an awkward type of

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joint for that kind of maneuver. But I think, and

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if you watch humans, when we walk, we kind of

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bounce more. And that's due to our hinge joints and

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the way our foot moves. But also with the hinge joint,

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it's easily, if you look at, take the NFL, people

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watch the NFL football. What's the worst thing happened to

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a running back? They get their knee blown out. Well,

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what happens to a knee getting blown out? They'll hit

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you either on the medial or lateral side, a helmet

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to the knee is almost like a ruination of a

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career of a player. Because what happens, you get your ACL,

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your MCL, all those, ligaments and tendons get tore up.

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And a lot of times you'll never get back to

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running as fast and graceful as what they did. So

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that's a big disadvantage of a hinge joint. So then

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if you look over on the other one, you have

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a saddle joint and a saddle joint is what we

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have in our thumb. That's a good example of our thumb.

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If you move your thumb, you have extension and flexion, extension, flexion, extension, flexion.

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And So that's one plane like a knee, but then

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you also have, because you're over at the top right,

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you'll see it looks like a saddle where the bones

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fit in. And the way your tendons and ligaments, now

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your ligaments are usually what join bone to bone and

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your tendons join those muscles to the bone. So like

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in a standard knee, when those get damaged, it really

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affects the way you move. You can barely move your

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extend and flex that knee. But on a saddle joint,

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you have the advantage. I think there's another slide there

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that will show the thumb. If you can click to

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that one. Yep. Yep. So on that one, you have

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that saddle joint. You have, like I was showing, your

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extension and flexion. You have adduction and abduction like that.

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And then you have circumduction, which moves around. Now imagine

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if you had a joint like that in your knees

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or your elbow, it would allow you to move your

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arms and your legs in unreal positions. huh spider crawl

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what do we have there you have arms splayed out

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legs splayed out and most of the time people say

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their arms are at such an odd angle they look

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uncomfortable how can they do it because people are thinking

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about from our own anatomy we're assuming because you see

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something shaped like a human that their anatomy is exactly

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the same and that's the rub i don't think they

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are if you think about a saddle joint, the advantages

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of it in as big as a Sasquatch witnesses say,

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think about, you have a bone that's a lot more,

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their bones are porous. They have good blood supply in

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the bones, but if you have a much larger bone,

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you have more stability already. Now, if you've got much

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bigger ligaments and tendons, now if you switch to the

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one about the anatomy cutaway, where I have a human

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knee and my theory on the Sasquatch knee and elbow.

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Yeah, right there.

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Yep. So on the left, you've got a human joint.

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And if you see in the front, you've got a kneecap.

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That kneecap kind of protects like your MCL. But it also,

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if you look at the tendons on the side, and

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that's where you're restricted to opening, closing, opening, closing. And

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you can see why that joint can get damaged if

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you get hit from the side. There's no flexibility. Now,

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if you go over to the Sasquatch, my theory on

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the Sasquatch knee, you don't have a kneecap. You've got

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a big, heavy tendon there. You've got heavy tendons on

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each side, much thicker ligaments, very much more padding. The

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ligaments in between are stabilizing ligaments that go in between

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the joint. Now, a knee like that or an elbow

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can move in a big circle. They can move back

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and forth. They can move on three different planes, basically,

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more so than a knee. And the advantage, you think,

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going up a hill, up an incline, you always hear

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about Sasquatches moving like they're on a human escalator. It's

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because a joint like that would not make you bounce

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like a hinge joint. And also if they have the

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mid-tarsal break in their foot, that would aid in it too.

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But that can explain, those two things can explain why

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they don't bounce when people see them moving through the trees.

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They're usually not bobbing like a human. And sometimes that's

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how you can identify a hoax. If you see a

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human's going to bob, if they're trying to fake somebody

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out and run between trees, they're usually bobbing. And so

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I think that the saddle joint or a modified type

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of saddle joint would greatly enhance. Now, an orthopedic surgeon

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will tell you, I've talked to several of them when

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I was writing this book. They say, yeah, but it's

455
00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:17.329
not quite as stable. But you're thinking in human terms,

456
00:22:17.349 --> 00:22:20.170
think now a much bigger bone and a bigger bone.

457
00:22:20.529 --> 00:22:22.880
Bones are highly vascular. A lot of people don't know that.

458
00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:24.960
There's a lot of blood supply. Where you don't have

459
00:22:25.019 --> 00:22:28.299
blood supply is your tendons. your tendons and ligaments tend

460
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.440
to have very poor blood supply. And that's why it

461
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.920
takes so long to heal from a bone out knee.

462
00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:34.799
You know, they got to slow that back together and

463
00:22:34.819 --> 00:22:37.029
there's not a lot of blood coming to heal. To heal,

464
00:22:37.069 --> 00:22:40.109
you need blood supply, which blood carries oxygen to those

465
00:22:40.170 --> 00:22:43.250
tendons and ligaments. So, but now if you have basically

466
00:22:43.309 --> 00:22:46.849
a knee on steroids, that's made differently, a saddle joint,

467
00:22:47.069 --> 00:22:49.170
you can take blows to the knee and your knee's

468
00:22:49.210 --> 00:22:50.809
just going to roll off of it. It's not going

469
00:22:50.829 --> 00:22:53.799
to blow. So in nature, that would be a death sentence.

470
00:22:53.819 --> 00:22:55.720
You would think of something that might be 800 pounds to,

471
00:22:56.500 --> 00:22:59.619
you damage a knee. Well, you kept the advantage. If

472
00:22:59.660 --> 00:23:01.299
your knee, even if it is damaged, you can go

473
00:23:01.339 --> 00:23:03.609
down on all fours for a while and distribute your

474
00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.309
weight and help heal that. But also if you have

475
00:23:06.329 --> 00:23:08.529
a lot more, you know, bigger bones with a lot

476
00:23:08.549 --> 00:23:12.369
more vasculature, it could bring more oxygen and heal quicker.

477
00:23:12.410 --> 00:23:14.349
Even if you do get damaged. And if you look

478
00:23:14.369 --> 00:23:17.490
at a Buffalo, the anatomy on a Buffalo, they have

479
00:23:17.670 --> 00:23:21.210
really big tendons. I've actually seen a Buffalo knee when

480
00:23:21.230 --> 00:23:23.670
I grew up in South Dakota, one when they were

481
00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:27.240
butchering a Buffalo that, um, The knee tendons, I was

482
00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:29.660
able to see the tendon. They're huge and thick. So

483
00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:31.839
if you have something like that, you can stabilize the

484
00:23:31.859 --> 00:23:34.599
knee much greater, especially when you have flexibility and it

485
00:23:34.619 --> 00:23:37.059
can bend in different directions. So that's kind of why

486
00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.319
I think that I've talked to a lot of witnesses

487
00:23:39.380 --> 00:23:42.460
in the book where they say these Bigfoot, they saw

488
00:23:42.500 --> 00:23:45.559
it frog kicking, like swimming like a frog. And their

489
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.099
legs bend out. And then they use their feet like

490
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:51.039
big old flippers. Well, that would explain if you have

491
00:23:51.099 --> 00:23:54.009
saddle joints, a human, you know, humans frog kick to

492
00:23:54.049 --> 00:23:56.509
a degree if you're doing a breaststroke. You've got a

493
00:23:56.549 --> 00:23:59.369
modified version of it, but you really don't stretch your

494
00:23:59.390 --> 00:24:02.569
legs out and then straight back behind you, like almost

495
00:24:02.609 --> 00:24:06.630
like propellers, like what people have described these Sasquatch. But

496
00:24:06.690 --> 00:24:08.799
if you have saddle joints that can move like that,

497
00:24:09.170 --> 00:24:11.380
it would go a lot to explain that as well.

498
00:24:11.859 --> 00:24:15.099
So I think that this book is a continuation on,

499
00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:17.539
because of the joints that allow them to do it,

500
00:24:17.539 --> 00:24:20.480
it allows them to be able to remain invisible from humans.

501
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:23.039
They can either drop down or like this book says,

502
00:24:23.059 --> 00:24:25.880
they can swim, they can use water, they can get

503
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.119
more food out of the water. They're more flexible. They're,

504
00:24:28.420 --> 00:24:30.660
they're more easy to hide too. They can dive and

505
00:24:30.700 --> 00:24:31.309
go underwater.

506
00:24:32.269 --> 00:24:36.069
It's, it's really, it's extremely interesting. Have you, it sounds

507
00:24:36.109 --> 00:24:40.509
like you've been presenting this at different, at different festivals

508
00:24:40.529 --> 00:24:43.069
and things like that. Have you gotten anyone that's come

509
00:24:43.150 --> 00:24:48.200
up and been like, well, I say we play devil's advocate.

510
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:50.859
Is there anyone that's been like, oh, that's, that's cool

511
00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:54.230
and all, but, We've never actually seen a Bigfoot like

512
00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:57.220
on a slab yet to see if this is actually happening.

513
00:24:57.700 --> 00:24:59.400
Has that conversation ever happened yet?

514
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:05.279
Well, last week we had our first annual. I helped

515
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:08.480
a man named Fred Chisholm in Owensboro. We had our

516
00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:12.500
first annual Blue Bridge Sasquatch Festival. For one day, our

517
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:16.759
first event, we had 7,500 attendees. Charlie Raymond was our

518
00:25:16.819 --> 00:25:19.079
keynote speaker. He commented to the two of us. He

519
00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:22.359
pulled us aside, said, gentlemen. I have never seen a

520
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:25.509
first day event with this kind of traction. But we

521
00:25:25.549 --> 00:25:27.529
put the word out, you know, we're blabbermouth. We went

522
00:25:27.569 --> 00:25:30.289
all over the newspaper. When one reporter wouldn't talk, I

523
00:25:30.329 --> 00:25:32.190
tried a second one. Then she put the article in

524
00:25:32.210 --> 00:25:34.750
the paper and we got the word out. We started

525
00:25:34.789 --> 00:25:36.650
a Facebook group. So next year, I think we're going

526
00:25:36.670 --> 00:25:38.250
to do a two day event because we had such

527
00:25:38.289 --> 00:25:41.329
good attendance. So anyway, some of these slides I'm sharing

528
00:25:41.369 --> 00:25:44.609
with you actually had made for last week's festival. Well,

529
00:25:44.630 --> 00:25:47.890
of course, you find glitches. So I was the first speaker.

530
00:25:47.930 --> 00:25:49.690
So I was the guinea pig, so to speak. I

531
00:25:49.710 --> 00:25:51.849
wanted to go first so I could go schmooze with

532
00:25:51.869 --> 00:25:53.579
people and run my booth at the festival and get

533
00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:54.890
it out of the way so I didn't be nervous

534
00:25:54.950 --> 00:25:58.039
all day. So since I was helping organize, I said,

535
00:25:58.099 --> 00:25:59.839
I'll do that first, get it out of the way.

536
00:26:00.220 --> 00:26:02.960
So unfortunately I was the one that we found out

537
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.559
our projector didn't quite work. I had 30 some slides

538
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.660
made for that presentation and only eight of them that

539
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.559
ended up working. So I knew the material well enough

540
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.019
so I was able to talk. Now here's where the rub,

541
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.119
when I'm looking in the audience, we had a pretty

542
00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:20.390
big auditorium. It's a Kentucky soundstage was the venue and

543
00:26:20.410 --> 00:26:22.269
they actually film movies there. So they had a lot

544
00:26:22.289 --> 00:26:24.950
of big rooms for vendors and we had a car

545
00:26:24.970 --> 00:26:27.759
show included that helped bring more people in a bluegrass band.

546
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.119
We made it family friendly. We had Harry and the Hendersons.

547
00:26:30.500 --> 00:26:33.779
We got permission from that production company to play in

548
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:36.220
one of the theaters. So the kids, we had face paint,

549
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.880
we had all kinds of stuff. It was a family event.

550
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.380
I've never seen so many kids, but anyway, so in

551
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.130
this theater, there's like, I think it holds 220 and

552
00:26:44.150 --> 00:26:49.069
I was pretty full. And as I'm talking, I saw

553
00:26:49.130 --> 00:26:51.650
that two people in the audience that I knew were

554
00:26:51.829 --> 00:26:55.029
orthopedic surgeons at the hospital I work at. So when

555
00:26:55.069 --> 00:26:57.819
I got to the end, I have questions. I'm thinking

556
00:26:58.059 --> 00:26:59.359
one of them guys are going to give me a

557
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:04.579
zinger and try to stump me on something. When I

558
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:06.559
took questions, I looked right at them. I was kind

559
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:08.859
of giving an eye. Don't you dare try to stick

560
00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:11.140
one on me. They did. But I had some really

561
00:27:11.180 --> 00:27:15.009
good questions. I had a few doubting Thomases that wanted

562
00:27:15.029 --> 00:27:17.200
to come to the festival anyway. But what I wanted

563
00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:19.160
to share one thing at the end of the quest

564
00:27:19.220 --> 00:27:21.460
is there were so many kids there too. So I said,

565
00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:23.440
I never had a question for many of the kids.

566
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:26.900
Any kids want to ask a question? This little girl

567
00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:29.690
raised her hand. I've got a question. She's probably, I

568
00:27:29.690 --> 00:27:33.269
don't know, eight. She comes up to the stage and

569
00:27:34.210 --> 00:27:35.950
I hand her the microphone and she goes, I need

570
00:27:35.990 --> 00:27:38.869
you to hold the microphone. So she stands up there

571
00:27:38.890 --> 00:27:41.210
and I hold the microphone. She says in the microphone,

572
00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:44.750
can a Sasquatch do this? And she does the splits

573
00:27:44.769 --> 00:27:47.519
and her legs played straight out. And then she jumped

574
00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:50.500
right back up. It brought the house down. Everybody's laughing.

575
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.609
And I was amazed. I said, I don't know. I've

576
00:27:53.619 --> 00:27:56.829
never heard of a Sasquatch doing that. That hurt me

577
00:27:56.900 --> 00:27:58.680
just looking at it. I know I couldn't do it.

578
00:27:59.109 --> 00:28:01.470
But that was the best way. I mean, it was

579
00:28:01.509 --> 00:28:04.529
such a kid-friendly, fun event. But then we had a

580
00:28:04.569 --> 00:28:07.369
couple of questions. And I'll tell you about where people

581
00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:10.509
doubted even the existence of Sasquatch. So the way I

582
00:28:10.549 --> 00:28:13.069
explained to him is there was a man named, he

583
00:28:13.089 --> 00:28:16.069
was a philosopher and a mathematician. His name was Bertrand Russell.

584
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:19.259
And he lived from like 1872. I think he died

585
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:25.160
in 1970. And what he was known for is challenging

586
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.980
witnesses on different things. So he explained it like this.

587
00:28:29.009 --> 00:28:30.440
And this is the way I told the gentleman I

588
00:28:30.460 --> 00:28:36.670
asked the question at the festival. He said, if there's

589
00:28:36.710 --> 00:28:39.789
a China teapot that's orbiting around the sun, between Earth

590
00:28:39.829 --> 00:28:44.190
and the sun, and I can see it with this

591
00:28:44.230 --> 00:28:47.759
powerful telescope, He said, to make a claim like that,

592
00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:50.420
the burden of proof lies on the person making the claim,

593
00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:53.539
not for the person to prove a negative. So I

594
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:59.069
understand completely that that's fine and well. But however, what if,

595
00:28:59.470 --> 00:29:03.309
say there was 10,000 people looking at telescopes and all

596
00:29:03.329 --> 00:29:06.450
of them were saying, I see a teapot that's orbiting around.

597
00:29:06.630 --> 00:29:09.609
So now you got 10,000 people saying it. Now replace

598
00:29:09.650 --> 00:29:11.490
that with the word Bigfoot. When you have that many

599
00:29:11.539 --> 00:29:15.319
people claiming something, if only one person's seeing it, That

600
00:29:15.380 --> 00:29:17.079
could be written off as you just don't know what

601
00:29:17.099 --> 00:29:19.000
you're looking at or you're looking at an asteroid. But

602
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.779
you have thousands and thousands over long periods of time. Well,

603
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.279
it goes to figure there's probably likely they're seeing something.

604
00:29:26.500 --> 00:29:29.420
Can some of them be misidentified? Sure. But on the

605
00:29:29.460 --> 00:29:31.640
flip side, I think there's people that see a bear.

606
00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:34.079
And because of peer pressure, everybody says, oh, it wasn't

607
00:29:34.099 --> 00:29:36.710
a big foot and they get talked out of their sighting.

608
00:29:36.750 --> 00:29:40.349
And then they, okay. Hey, it was a bear. Have

609
00:29:40.569 --> 00:29:43.799
to release the resistance, right? You don't want to be

610
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.640
laughed at by your cohorts. So I think just as

611
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:48.880
often that are talked out of it. So I think

612
00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:50.920
there's something to it when you have thousands of people

613
00:29:51.019 --> 00:29:53.119
reporting the same type of behaviors.

614
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:54.859
Oh, absolutely.

615
00:29:54.940 --> 00:29:56.619
And I agree with you a hundred percent on that because,

616
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.559
you know, I've, I've, talked to over, I figured out

617
00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:05.380
the other day, it's over a thousand people easy. And, uh,

618
00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:09.730
what people don't realize is that take that number and

619
00:30:09.950 --> 00:30:13.180
double it or triple it easy, because that's the.

620
00:30:13.299 --> 00:30:14.339
That would be the mountain.

621
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.640
There's, Easily another thousand that have been like, I can't

622
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:20.200
tell anyone about this. You know, as you were saying, like,

623
00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:24.119
it's just not comfortable, which is no problem. But there

624
00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:27.269
are so many witnesses out there. People have no idea

625
00:30:27.289 --> 00:30:31.170
the massive amount of witnesses that don't even go on

626
00:30:31.549 --> 00:30:33.089
on shows or podcasts.

627
00:30:33.109 --> 00:30:33.789
It's incredible.

628
00:30:35.390 --> 00:30:39.799
This there's a lot of the saddle joint theory. Does

629
00:30:39.819 --> 00:30:41.259
this show up in nature at all?

630
00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:50.240
That's a good question. I have never actually seen anything.

631
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.240
There are animals that have hinge joints, but they're typically

632
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:58.079
shaped quite a bit different. So there is evidence that

633
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.559
they don't all have the exact type of hinge joint.

634
00:31:00.940 --> 00:31:04.220
So I always feel like if you have, you know,

635
00:31:04.269 --> 00:31:08.009
some people theorize like a Sasquatch could be a hybridized human,

636
00:31:08.210 --> 00:31:11.009
which sounds fantastic. But if you and I both took

637
00:31:11.049 --> 00:31:14.049
and anybody listening went and took a DNA test, we're

638
00:31:14.069 --> 00:31:16.990
going to have one to three percent nandrothal in most

639
00:31:17.029 --> 00:31:20.490
of our DNA. So why couldn't a Sasquatch have 1%

640
00:31:20.490 --> 00:31:23.630
human be a totally different species? But I think because

641
00:31:23.650 --> 00:31:26.029
of that, I think way back when, I think they'd

642
00:31:26.049 --> 00:31:28.829
been around for thousands and thousands of years. I don't

643
00:31:28.849 --> 00:31:32.299
happen to think that evolution is not anti-biblical. I think

644
00:31:32.339 --> 00:31:34.460
they can both be true. I think there can be

645
00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:38.079
some evolution that these things to survive and hide over

646
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.660
time have developed these joints. You know, they slowly change from,

647
00:31:42.019 --> 00:31:44.019
you know, maybe like an odd type of hen's joint

648
00:31:44.059 --> 00:31:46.319
into more of a saddle joint. It really wouldn't take

649
00:31:46.380 --> 00:31:50.309
that much difference evolution to slowly over time evolve that,

650
00:31:50.740 --> 00:31:53.410
where they're more able as humans to take over the planet,

651
00:31:53.809 --> 00:31:56.369
where they have to survive, have to have more ways

652
00:31:56.410 --> 00:31:58.349
to hide, or they're going to go extinct.

653
00:31:59.269 --> 00:32:04.450
Man, it's one of those theories where the entire community

654
00:32:04.509 --> 00:32:08.930
misses them, but it makes you wish even more that

655
00:32:08.970 --> 00:32:12.750
you had individuals like Dr. Meldrum still around just to

656
00:32:12.789 --> 00:32:17.089
get his thoughts on on a theory like this?

657
00:32:17.109 --> 00:32:19.450
Because it is really, it's a really cool theory.

658
00:32:19.769 --> 00:32:22.630
And there's not many cool theories being thrown around like

659
00:32:22.670 --> 00:32:24.329
this anymore, to be honest.

660
00:32:24.869 --> 00:32:28.750
I've interviewed him in my first Sasquatch book. So Dr.

661
00:32:28.769 --> 00:32:31.710
Meldrum had told me that he goes, I don't want

662
00:32:31.730 --> 00:32:34.309
to like burst your bubble. I don't think that Bigfoot,

663
00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:36.569
he believed they go down on all fours. He says,

664
00:32:36.609 --> 00:32:39.670
I don't think they do it frequently. So I had

665
00:32:39.730 --> 00:32:42.349
told him, well, I don't think they do it frequently either.

666
00:32:42.369 --> 00:32:45.380
You know, Frequently can be a couple of times a week,

667
00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:47.200
you know, a couple of times a day. That's still

668
00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:49.559
not frequently. If 90 percent of your ammulation is on

669
00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:52.079
two legs, 10 percent of the time is on all four.

670
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.000
That's not frequently. And he said, well, that's fair enough.

671
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.640
So then he explained in that there's two chapters in

672
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.640
that book with him where he explained in detail how

673
00:33:01.700 --> 00:33:03.539
they could be enabled, what he was seeing with that

674
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:06.400
metatarsal break and all the different features that he needed.

675
00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:10.339
He theorized that these things could easily go up hills

676
00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:13.160
in down incline. He said, I definitely think they use

677
00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:15.819
it to get traction to go up very steep inclines

678
00:33:16.180 --> 00:33:18.240
and down steep ones. And I think they will sometimes

679
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.420
do it to hide. Well, if you think about it,

680
00:33:20.900 --> 00:33:25.029
there's along with my theory, there's one slide I sent

681
00:33:25.049 --> 00:33:28.349
you that's got some footprints in the snow. If you

682
00:33:28.369 --> 00:33:31.950
think about the way a human walks, humans, because we

683
00:33:32.049 --> 00:33:34.460
have ball and socket joints, we've got hinge joints in

684
00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:37.539
our knees and our hips. We've got ball and sockets

685
00:33:37.579 --> 00:33:42.579
when we walk. Our foot path is almost like right, left, right, left.

686
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.539
It's about the width of our shoulders. Then if you

687
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.029
take a big foot, if they do indeed have what

688
00:33:48.069 --> 00:33:51.910
I theorize a saddle type of joint, it would also

689
00:33:51.930 --> 00:33:54.309
go hand in glove to explain why more people say

690
00:33:54.349 --> 00:33:56.829
when they walk and see footprints, they run in a

691
00:33:56.890 --> 00:33:59.420
straight line. When they run in a straight line would

692
00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:02.359
explain if you think of your thumb, I can't do

693
00:34:02.380 --> 00:34:05.660
it the opposite way very easily to show, but your

694
00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:07.900
thumb kind of swing when you bring it forward. Like

695
00:34:07.980 --> 00:34:10.300
if you were going to walk with your thumb, they swing.

696
00:34:10.860 --> 00:34:14.679
And if your legs have salad joints, your joints going

697
00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:17.360
to come and swing around and rotate planting one foot.

698
00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:19.019
The next foot is going to come in front of it,

699
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.300
in front of it, in front of it. So these

700
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.409
types of joints also would explain why so many of

701
00:34:24.429 --> 00:34:26.030
the footprints run in a straight line.

702
00:34:26.670 --> 00:34:28.050
Dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, hold on.

703
00:34:28.630 --> 00:34:30.289
The Hens Joint couldn't do that. So if they're on

704
00:34:30.309 --> 00:34:31.750
Hens Joint, I find it hard to believe.

705
00:34:32.309 --> 00:34:37.429
Do you remember Sasquatch Legend Meets Science? Have you watched

706
00:34:37.469 --> 00:34:42.309
that recently? There's a part where they do a recreation of.

707
00:34:42.389 --> 00:34:43.210
Not recently.

708
00:34:44.010 --> 00:34:46.610
You should watch it again because there's a recreation part

709
00:34:46.690 --> 00:34:52.510
where they talk about how a witness noticed the weird gate.

710
00:34:53.179 --> 00:34:54.800
And the way you just described it was.

711
00:34:57.429 --> 00:34:59.409
They were talking like it was a way almost like

712
00:34:59.449 --> 00:35:03.929
a horse. Horse has that weird gait and it kind

713
00:35:03.969 --> 00:35:06.800
of goes, I can't explain it the way you just did,

714
00:35:06.860 --> 00:35:09.920
but the way that you just explained it is very

715
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:13.579
similar to something that was said way back in Sasquatch, Lizard,

716
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.440
and Meat Science, and I would recommend checking that out

717
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:16.159
again if you can.

718
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:21.800
That's really cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, definitely check it out.

719
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:23.929
But I think to pull that off, you would almost

720
00:35:24.030 --> 00:35:27.559
have to have a Sasquatch. type of joint or a

721
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.400
variation of there to be able to pull that off.

722
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:32.860
A hinge joint doesn't explain those footpaths going in a

723
00:35:32.909 --> 00:35:35.329
straight line. You just can't do it very easy. I've

724
00:35:35.349 --> 00:35:38.309
tried to do it in the mud barefooted and I

725
00:35:38.349 --> 00:35:41.269
fall over. It's not easy. So even people that see,

726
00:35:41.690 --> 00:35:45.389
you know, like Patterson Gimlin, they took straight footprints. How

727
00:35:45.429 --> 00:35:47.989
could somebody look over towards these people and keep foot

728
00:35:48.070 --> 00:35:51.320
after foot and get like a three foot stretch between

729
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.510
steps and it would be kind of hard to pull

730
00:35:53.590 --> 00:35:56.650
off in my opinion, but I think that that, that

731
00:35:56.690 --> 00:36:00.230
would explain why they have straight footpaths. The other thing too, is,

732
00:36:00.650 --> 00:36:03.369
is being able to move on all four. I don't

733
00:36:03.409 --> 00:36:07.070
know enough about woo to say that I'm more of

734
00:36:07.150 --> 00:36:11.510
a flesh and blood because what I saw looked to

735
00:36:11.550 --> 00:36:14.190
be flesh and blood and it was trying to eat.

736
00:36:14.610 --> 00:36:16.070
I think I came in on the middle of a

737
00:36:16.110 --> 00:36:18.289
hunt where there was one in the woods that had

738
00:36:18.309 --> 00:36:21.260
been chasing this deer. And I thought that's why that

739
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.449
deer was tired. And then this other one was, do

740
00:36:25.469 --> 00:36:30.250
you need to eat? So with the hair, the hair follicles,

741
00:36:30.329 --> 00:36:32.780
if you think about it, you have one up from,

742
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:38.059
there you go. So that shows hair follicles. And on

743
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:41.880
that hair follicles, you have two different kinds. You have

744
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:47.380
some animals have hollow hair. Think of a deer. You know,

745
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:48.980
you look at a deer, a deer is an ungulate.

746
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.809
It's got hooked feet. If you look at a deer, really,

747
00:36:51.829 --> 00:36:53.929
they shouldn't be very good swimmers. I mean, how do

748
00:36:53.969 --> 00:36:57.579
you swim with little sticks for feet? But what the

749
00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.880
deer's advantage is they have hollow hair. That's like a

750
00:36:59.900 --> 00:37:01.860
life jacket jump in the water. Even a deer dies,

751
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.820
they're going to float for a time. So those hollow

752
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.679
hairs help them float. Then you have hair that's like

753
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:12.989
a beaver. They're solid hair and they're covered with oil. Well,

754
00:37:13.030 --> 00:37:16.110
that oil on their hair, that protects them, insulates them

755
00:37:16.190 --> 00:37:19.420
from cold. So you see beavers like being in cold

756
00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:22.519
water that keeps them warm. So I theorize like, and

757
00:37:22.539 --> 00:37:24.900
there are some animals that have both types of hair.

758
00:37:25.539 --> 00:37:27.780
And so I feel like a Bigfoot, you'll see a

759
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:33.039
lot of people describe at times they appear to be molting.

760
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.590
Sometimes they have areas or the private areas. And I

761
00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:40.429
think that's sometimes why people don't see a lot of genitalia.

762
00:37:40.750 --> 00:37:43.710
I think that they got heavier hair in certain areas. Well,

763
00:37:43.730 --> 00:37:45.670
it couldn't be a difference of some of the hollow

764
00:37:45.710 --> 00:37:48.130
hair And then other areas have more of a solid

765
00:37:48.150 --> 00:37:50.250
type of hair, but it would help them survive. When

766
00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:53.000
you see people like in Vancouver, saying they're swimming from

767
00:37:53.099 --> 00:37:56.019
island to island, for one, that's a very strong current.

768
00:37:57.099 --> 00:37:58.280
So you have to be in the water for a

769
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.460
lengthy amount of time. You have to be able to

770
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.119
sort of float. If you weigh 800 pounds, you better

771
00:38:03.139 --> 00:38:06.989
have some way to help float. You can't do it

772
00:38:07.070 --> 00:38:09.750
all just on strength for an hour. If you also

773
00:38:09.789 --> 00:38:11.849
have some of those areas with the oil over it,

774
00:38:11.869 --> 00:38:15.679
it protects you and keeps you warm. It insulates. you

775
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:18.269
like having a jacket on. So I think that they

776
00:38:18.309 --> 00:38:20.849
have both the combination of both of those types of

777
00:38:20.869 --> 00:38:22.130
hair have some of each.

778
00:38:24.230 --> 00:38:29.739
You have another slide here about swimming as well to

779
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.599
do with, I believe. So you have like a, it's

780
00:38:32.619 --> 00:38:37.519
a comparison between Michael Phelps and how that would compare

781
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:39.260
to Sasquatch swimming.

782
00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:39.860
Is that right?

783
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:46.090
Correct. So Michael Phelps, he's the guy, you know, most

784
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:49.599
everybody agrees. He's probably the greatest swimmer, greatest human swimmer

785
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.000
that we know of that's ever walked the planet. So

786
00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:54.719
I use him as the apex human and how that

787
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:57.860
would compare to a Sasquatch. So if you think of

788
00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:01.969
Michael Phelps, the, um, his wingspan, his arms are so

789
00:39:02.030 --> 00:39:05.429
far apart. His wingspan from fingertip to fingertip is like

790
00:39:05.510 --> 00:39:09.010
six feet, seven inches. That's huge. And he's got dinner

791
00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:13.630
plate size hands. He also has, I understand like a size, um,

792
00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:18.199
think a 14 foot, maybe a 15. So they're, they

793
00:39:18.219 --> 00:39:21.099
can act like flippers. They'll help them swim. Michael Phelps

794
00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:24.789
also has lungs that are reportedly three times bigger than

795
00:39:24.809 --> 00:39:27.869
the average adult. Well, that helps him hold his breath

796
00:39:28.349 --> 00:39:30.179
and he can, you know, when they do the type

797
00:39:30.219 --> 00:39:32.380
of swim where they go underwater for a long time,

798
00:39:32.739 --> 00:39:37.159
those large lung capacity helps him with swimming tremendously. So

799
00:39:37.219 --> 00:39:39.880
now if you take a Sasquatch, I don't have the

800
00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:42.570
slide pulled up there, but it's going to be considerably more.

801
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:44.630
When you look at the size of these reported and

802
00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:47.179
the length of the arms, You can think of eight,

803
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.880
nine-foot wingspan from fingertip to fingertip. And most reports, they

804
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:55.099
don't just have dinner plate-sized hands. They have party platter-sized hands.

805
00:39:55.539 --> 00:39:58.019
So they've got the big hands. Their lungs, from when

806
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.619
you hear people talk about how they howl and bellow

807
00:40:00.699 --> 00:40:04.659
and these siren howls, they have to have immense lung capacity.

808
00:40:05.019 --> 00:40:07.949
So with that lung capacity, they can hold their breath.

809
00:40:07.989 --> 00:40:11.010
When people say they dove underwater, they never come up. Well,

810
00:40:11.050 --> 00:40:13.889
he could swim for a long ways underwater with the

811
00:40:14.150 --> 00:40:17.429
rest of the lungs. And also, coincidentally, those massive lungs

812
00:40:17.469 --> 00:40:20.329
would help. Another reason they can heal faster from knee

813
00:40:20.409 --> 00:40:28.039
injuries and the different types of injuries. You have alveoli

814
00:40:28.059 --> 00:40:30.059
on the bottom of your lungs. That's where you're at.

815
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.340
So with those bigger lungs, they're going to heal from

816
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:36.630
wounds much faster as well. So it gives us several advantages.

817
00:40:36.650 --> 00:40:41.150
And then swimming, of course, big foot. They have huge feet. Well,

818
00:40:41.170 --> 00:40:43.150
if you could swim like a frog and splay your

819
00:40:43.190 --> 00:40:45.769
legs out, like a frog, if anybody's ever seen a

820
00:40:45.809 --> 00:40:48.710
frog swimming, they have pretty good size feet for the

821
00:40:48.750 --> 00:40:51.190
size of them, those web feet, and they can kick.

822
00:40:51.210 --> 00:40:53.670
Now you think of a Sasquatch with, you know, a

823
00:40:53.670 --> 00:40:57.369
20 inch foot and being able to move and splay

824
00:40:57.389 --> 00:41:01.780
your legs out in that odd configuration. Well, that's a

825
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.920
swimming machine. That's a, that's a creature that could swim

826
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.219
really adept. So there's another thing about their eyes. You know,

827
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:10.579
most people know you hear about eye shine and stuff

828
00:41:10.619 --> 00:41:14.239
like that. So Sasquatch eyes are, If you look at

829
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.059
the eye, what makes it shine like that, most animals

830
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.650
that have eye shine, they have in the back of

831
00:41:19.690 --> 00:41:22.130
their eye, there's a retina. And behind the retina, you

832
00:41:22.170 --> 00:41:25.989
have tapetum lucidum. Now, humans don't have that. Some people

833
00:41:26.050 --> 00:41:27.630
say we do when they get a camera and it's

834
00:41:27.690 --> 00:41:30.170
red eye. Those are just blood vessels. That's all that is.

835
00:41:30.190 --> 00:41:33.719
That's not tapetum lucidum. So the creatures that have that,

836
00:41:34.579 --> 00:41:36.300
it enables them to see. You can have just a

837
00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:39.079
small sliver of a moon. They can see 10 times better.

838
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.320
A lot of times, too, they have very little. large

839
00:41:42.389 --> 00:41:44.960
from what reports people say they didn't see any whites

840
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.460
of the eyes. I theorize that their pupils are so

841
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.139
big that they, you only see the whites. If they

842
00:41:50.179 --> 00:41:52.780
turn their eyes right or left, then you can see

843
00:41:52.820 --> 00:41:54.739
the whites. I believe they have whites of the eyes,

844
00:41:55.340 --> 00:41:59.019
but with that tape and lucidum also underwater as humans,

845
00:41:59.059 --> 00:42:01.519
when we go underwater, we see blurry. You see, you

846
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:04.460
can see shapes, but it's blurry. But now you think

847
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.340
of predators that go underwater. Think of a shark or

848
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.599
a seal, a seal predator when they're hunting fish. they

849
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.260
have that eye shine. When your scuba dive will shine light,

850
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:19.219
their eyes reflect back. That is taking any light down

851
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.420
in the water, even at deep depths where they can see. Well,

852
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:25.949
if you have that, think how much easier a Sasquatch

853
00:42:25.969 --> 00:42:28.590
could find fish. They could find holes where catfish go.

854
00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:31.809
You know, humans, we go noodling. If you're underwater and

855
00:42:31.849 --> 00:42:34.530
can actually see the holes, you can see exactly where

856
00:42:34.570 --> 00:42:36.710
to go stick that massive paw and grab a fish

857
00:42:36.789 --> 00:42:38.889
out of there. So I think that that aids them

858
00:42:39.789 --> 00:42:41.679
And the other thing, if you think about it, if

859
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:50.000
they've got really big pupils and they have that very able,

860
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.119
that lucidum works, it goes through the retina and reflects

861
00:42:53.179 --> 00:42:56.320
back and forth like a mirror. It's like an amplifier.

862
00:42:56.739 --> 00:42:58.400
So at night, that's where a lot of times they

863
00:42:58.420 --> 00:43:01.699
can run in the forest and avoid smacking into a tree.

864
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:03.659
As a human, if we run full blast, we're going

865
00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:07.449
to run into a tree most likely. But also if

866
00:43:07.469 --> 00:43:10.480
you think about a lot of Sasquatch sightings, people tend

867
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.219
to see them in the daytime on the edge of

868
00:43:12.260 --> 00:43:14.679
the woods. Sometimes they'll see them out, but I think

869
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.239
the reason they're on the edge of the woods a

870
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.889
lot is because their eyes are sensitive to that bright sunlight.

871
00:43:20.369 --> 00:43:22.769
Cloudy days, you tend to have more sightings out in

872
00:43:22.789 --> 00:43:26.969
the open. But on a bright sunny day, I think

873
00:43:26.989 --> 00:43:28.769
they tend to stay on the edge if they're going

874
00:43:28.789 --> 00:43:30.840
to be curious and check a human out because I

875
00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:32.800
think it hurts their eyes unless they've been out there

876
00:43:33.179 --> 00:43:36.539
for a while. Now, some people also talk about I've

877
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:38.199
got a friend of mine said he talked to some

878
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.880
people that it looked like they had two sets of eyelids. Well,

879
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:43.519
I don't know about that. I haven't talked to anybody

880
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.139
that saw that. But if you think about, there's a

881
00:43:47.179 --> 00:43:53.030
thing called an epicanthal fold. You'll see a lot of

882
00:43:53.070 --> 00:43:58.690
people up in the far North America, like native tribe.

883
00:44:00.309 --> 00:44:03.190
They have an epicanthal fold, how their eye is. That's

884
00:44:03.269 --> 00:44:07.860
there to protect them. like from sun bouncing off the sunlight.

885
00:44:07.889 --> 00:44:10.030
You know, you talk about people going snow. I think

886
00:44:10.090 --> 00:44:13.789
sometimes when people say they look more like a Native American,

887
00:44:14.110 --> 00:44:16.389
I think some of them do have that epicanthal fold

888
00:44:16.429 --> 00:44:20.010
that helps protect from bright sun. And I think that

889
00:44:20.030 --> 00:44:24.909
their eyes are so sensitive, that gives them some reprieve

890
00:44:24.949 --> 00:44:30.469
from the bright sunlight in the daytime. So you'd asked

891
00:44:30.530 --> 00:44:34.170
earlier about the... The people that ask doubting questions if

892
00:44:34.210 --> 00:44:36.929
Sasquatch exists, another one asked, well, why don't we get

893
00:44:36.969 --> 00:44:39.789
good pictures of them? So I explained it. I've got

894
00:44:39.809 --> 00:44:43.710
a slide in there. It says 1,000 acres. So Glacier

895
00:44:43.750 --> 00:44:46.739
National Park is greater than 1,000 acres. So I challenged

896
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.920
this man to think, okay, sir, and say his name

897
00:44:49.940 --> 00:44:52.800
is Steve. So I said, Steve, suppose that I'm going

898
00:44:52.820 --> 00:44:55.260
to give you an assignment. Say we're going to put

899
00:44:55.260 --> 00:44:59.590
300 Delta Force soldiers in the Glacier National Park. I'm

900
00:44:59.610 --> 00:45:01.989
going to give them two months to habituate and take

901
00:45:02.050 --> 00:45:04.849
residents up. And their mission is to avoid humans at

902
00:45:04.909 --> 00:45:08.190
all costs. Don't leave any footprints and trails where people

903
00:45:08.210 --> 00:45:10.730
can track you. Now, two months later, I'm going to

904
00:45:10.769 --> 00:45:12.829
send you in and I'm not just sending you in.

905
00:45:12.849 --> 00:45:15.699
I'm going to give you the greatest photography equipment known

906
00:45:15.739 --> 00:45:17.960
to man. And all you have to do is get

907
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.480
a good, clear picture of one of those 300 that,

908
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.019
you know, there's 300 of them in those million plus acres.

909
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:26.280
All you have to do is just get a simple picture.

910
00:45:26.949 --> 00:45:29.449
And he says, well, that way, they're their Delta Force.

911
00:45:29.469 --> 00:45:31.699
They know how to evade and everything. I said, bingo.

912
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.980
So think about it. I said, Delta Force still has

913
00:45:36.059 --> 00:45:38.679
human senses. Now, they might be trained to be able

914
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:40.840
to smell better, you know, what to look for and

915
00:45:41.139 --> 00:45:43.840
how to see. They have to have already good genetics

916
00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:45.949
to be able to accomplish a lot of that. But

917
00:45:45.989 --> 00:45:49.150
they're still human beings. Now, if you imagine, what if

918
00:45:49.170 --> 00:45:51.769
those Delta Force, so he thought it was probably less

919
00:45:51.809 --> 00:45:54.650
than half of 1% of getting a picture, a clear picture.

920
00:45:55.619 --> 00:45:58.719
I said, it's probably less, but anyway, along that line.

921
00:45:59.110 --> 00:46:02.289
So I think now you take something that's bigger that

922
00:46:02.329 --> 00:46:05.690
can drop on all fours and hide, but has probably

923
00:46:05.690 --> 00:46:09.530
30 times better vision, you know, hundreds of times better smell.

924
00:46:09.550 --> 00:46:11.610
You know, us humans to find something, we have to

925
00:46:11.670 --> 00:46:14.590
use dogs to find drugs and things like that. What

926
00:46:14.630 --> 00:46:17.530
if this creature had senses even better than that dog?

927
00:46:18.010 --> 00:46:20.190
And they might have other senses. Think of a shark.

928
00:46:20.230 --> 00:46:23.130
They say a shark in the water can hear a heartbeat,

929
00:46:23.150 --> 00:46:26.079
the electrical impulses of a heartbeat. from up to two

930
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.739
miles away. So what if you have something like that

931
00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:31.599
that can hear the electrical impulses of your heart? They

932
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:35.469
can hear you coming way before. So they're way better

933
00:46:35.530 --> 00:46:39.030
than Delta Force. So that explains a lot of how

934
00:46:39.050 --> 00:46:40.730
they're so hard to catch up with. And I said,

935
00:46:40.989 --> 00:46:42.570
the only time I think we catch up with them

936
00:46:42.610 --> 00:46:45.170
is one, if they want to be seen. Maybe they're

937
00:46:45.190 --> 00:46:47.230
trying to push you away from an area and scare you.

938
00:46:47.469 --> 00:46:49.510
They might have a young one around the area. I

939
00:46:49.530 --> 00:46:51.860
think they kind of work as a clan. If they

940
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.679
have a female giving birth or has a small one

941
00:46:54.699 --> 00:46:57.389
that It's not able to travel real far. I think

942
00:46:57.409 --> 00:46:59.610
they have sentries around a certain area. And when people

943
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:03.179
talk about getting paced out, I think they're pacing them

944
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:08.539
out to get them out of that area. And I

945
00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:11.039
think he might accidentally, like when I saw him, so

946
00:47:11.059 --> 00:47:14.639
I think that's from humans for a bit. And, you know,

947
00:47:14.659 --> 00:47:18.530
they're worried about their own survival for food. But other

948
00:47:18.550 --> 00:47:21.210
than that, you know, I think that by and large,

949
00:47:21.289 --> 00:47:24.260
they do pretty well at evading us. So I think

950
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:30.179
when we see him, it's purely by accident. So he

951
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.440
couldn't really come up. I said, so what percentage chance

952
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.960
is that going to happen? That you're going to see

953
00:47:36.139 --> 00:47:39.510
one now that you can't catch up with the Delta force.

954
00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:42.570
And he said, yeah. And it's just like this too.

955
00:47:42.969 --> 00:47:46.230
If you say, if I came home from work this

956
00:47:46.369 --> 00:47:48.489
evening and there was a tree, somebody put in the

957
00:47:48.510 --> 00:47:51.010
middle of my living room. Well, that doesn't belong there.

958
00:47:51.030 --> 00:47:53.469
I'm going to see it right away. So now if

959
00:47:53.550 --> 00:47:56.360
I go into Sasquatch's living room and put a game camera,

960
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.239
we think that it's camoed and whatnot. I think they

961
00:47:59.260 --> 00:48:05.079
could spot a man-made object. You know, even withstanding the

962
00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:07.239
theory that they could see it, I think they could

963
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.559
smell it. I think they could smell the plastic. I

964
00:48:09.579 --> 00:48:12.679
think that that camo is not like we think it is.

965
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:14.699
I think they could see. It'd be just like me

966
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.059
spotting a tree. So I'm going to avoid that if

967
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:21.019
I think something suspicious. So in their living room, we

968
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.380
got a game cam. I don't think it makes that

969
00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:27.039
much sense that we don't get very many pictures because

970
00:48:27.099 --> 00:48:29.159
they're easy to spot. It's in their living room. It's

971
00:48:29.179 --> 00:48:31.380
something that doesn't belong there. Not to mention you got

972
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.429
a shiny lens. They probably equate that with the rifle scope.

973
00:48:35.889 --> 00:48:38.090
So why would you want to walk in front of that?

974
00:48:38.130 --> 00:48:39.710
If something could shoot out of there, make sure where

975
00:48:39.730 --> 00:48:43.090
you got the guy with the camera, you know, good

976
00:48:43.130 --> 00:48:44.710
luck getting a picture of one. Even if you got

977
00:48:44.750 --> 00:48:47.699
the best camera, you can, it's like good luck, but

978
00:48:47.739 --> 00:48:49.900
a bigger camera, a better camera is also going to

979
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:52.059
be bulkier and heavier too. It's going to slow you down.

980
00:48:52.590 --> 00:48:54.829
So most of us have these jingy little cell phones

981
00:48:55.369 --> 00:48:57.550
with it's not really set up to get something moving

982
00:48:57.590 --> 00:49:00.289
really fast past us. And then people sit there and

983
00:49:00.329 --> 00:49:02.719
poo poo. Well, everybody's got a cell phone. Well, every

984
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.860
witness I've talked to, the last thing they're thinking is

985
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.500
a cell phone. They were thinking of their survival and like,

986
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.059
I got to get out of here. I'm scared. You're

987
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.780
scared for your life or your safety. Even if you're

988
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:13.769
not scared for your life, if you see it and

989
00:49:13.849 --> 00:49:16.849
don't feel threatened, you're astonished. You're not thinking of getting

990
00:49:16.909 --> 00:49:17.949
whipping a cell phone out.

991
00:49:20.570 --> 00:49:26.980
Absolutely and i think um there's another theory that i

992
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:29.599
kind of have i've been working on and i it's

993
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:33.340
i think that there's some sort of sense they have

994
00:49:33.460 --> 00:49:39.670
where they can sense electricity in some way um And

995
00:49:39.769 --> 00:49:42.150
it kind of, it puts us in an interesting situation

996
00:49:42.190 --> 00:49:45.010
because no one's going to come, no one's going to

997
00:49:45.050 --> 00:49:47.780
go out into the field or the woods or camping

998
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.380
without some kind of electrical device. I mean, most people

999
00:49:51.420 --> 00:49:53.780
they'll have, like, if they're going hiking, they'll have some,

1000
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:59.840
even a kind of GPS locator beacon. So if that

1001
00:49:59.960 --> 00:50:03.889
is true, then it's like, are we, are we pretty

1002
00:50:03.909 --> 00:50:06.750
much broadcasting to the Bigfoot out there?

1003
00:50:06.789 --> 00:50:09.010
Hey, here we come. Yeah.

1004
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:12.179
And the very thing that people accuse, well, everybody has

1005
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:14.340
a cell phone camera with them. Well, that could be

1006
00:50:14.380 --> 00:50:17.039
one of the very things that they can hear. Right.

1007
00:50:17.179 --> 00:50:19.219
And one of the reasons they can avoid us because

1008
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:21.780
they can hear you coming. Not to mention how clumsy

1009
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.199
you are and the footsteps clawed through the, even the

1010
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:27.079
best hunters make some noise and are detectable by something

1011
00:50:27.099 --> 00:50:31.090
that's very keen. But, um, But yeah, the phone in

1012
00:50:31.130 --> 00:50:33.889
the pocket might also be our detriment at seeing one

1013
00:50:33.929 --> 00:50:36.730
because they could probably hear that, the hum or whatever.

1014
00:50:36.809 --> 00:50:41.110
They know the electrical impulse. Sharks can. Why can't a Sasquatch?

1015
00:50:42.190 --> 00:50:43.110
Yeah, absolutely.

1016
00:50:43.250 --> 00:50:46.670
And listeners, don't just go out in the woods without

1017
00:50:46.809 --> 00:50:48.190
anything to make sure you're safe.

1018
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:48.909
Make sure you're safe.

1019
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:52.239
I don't want that to be the thing that comes

1020
00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:55.800
out of this episode either. So, John, in the last

1021
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:59.369
few minutes we have– When you were putting together this book,

1022
00:50:59.929 --> 00:51:03.929
were there any witness accounts or people that you were

1023
00:51:03.969 --> 00:51:07.670
able to talk to that really stand out? They're like, wow,

1024
00:51:07.730 --> 00:51:13.119
this is an incredible example of the aquatic Sasquatch that

1025
00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:14.000
I'm putting together.

1026
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.960
Yeah. Before I start, I wanted to share, you saw

1027
00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:19.420
this because you got a copy of the book. Right

1028
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.760
in the front, very front, this is a statement by Dr.

1029
00:51:22.820 --> 00:51:26.329
Jeff Meldrum when you're talking about science. He says, I've

1030
00:51:26.389 --> 00:51:29.809
never argued that science should recognize the existence of Sasquatch.

1031
00:51:29.849 --> 00:51:32.750
Most people think he did. He said, I've simply argued

1032
00:51:32.789 --> 00:51:37.190
that science should recognize the legitimacy of pursuing the question

1033
00:51:37.230 --> 00:51:40.159
of the existence of Sasquatch. So back when he was

1034
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.059
alive and I had a conversation with him, we were

1035
00:51:42.099 --> 00:51:45.079
laughing at what science does spend money on. They get

1036
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.739
government grants to study the gerbils like pixie sticks or

1037
00:51:48.780 --> 00:51:52.599
jawbreakers better. Let's spend five million taxpayer dollars on that.

1038
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.750
Let's ignore the. tens of thousands over the years of

1039
00:51:55.789 --> 00:51:58.329
people that have seen a Bigfoot, that's not worthy of studying.

1040
00:51:58.690 --> 00:52:01.829
So that's just how ridiculous it is. So then amateur

1041
00:52:01.849 --> 00:52:05.320
sleuths get criticized for their techniques when we're not trained.

1042
00:52:05.380 --> 00:52:07.179
But darn it, we're doing work that you guys should

1043
00:52:07.219 --> 00:52:09.380
be doing. But because you're not getting paid for it,

1044
00:52:10.059 --> 00:52:13.079
very few people like Dr. Meldrum put his own personal time.

1045
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.800
And I might say a lot of genuflect, or not genuflect,

1046
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.440
like a lot of hate from his colleagues for even

1047
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:24.019
pursuing it, making us look ridiculous. Well, there's enough there

1048
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:25.739
to start looking into it. They just won't put the

1049
00:52:25.780 --> 00:52:29.769
money in studying it. Everybody can theorize. Everybody's got reasons why.

1050
00:52:30.150 --> 00:52:32.090
But I'd like to share, this is something really cool

1051
00:52:32.150 --> 00:52:35.829
that's in the book. There's Jackson County, Illinois. I talked

1052
00:52:35.849 --> 00:52:37.969
to a man named Douglas. When he grew up, this

1053
00:52:38.010 --> 00:52:42.280
happened in 1983. So his grandfather had a farm at

1054
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:46.340
Jackson County, Illinois. So they lived in Carbondale. At the time,

1055
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:49.599
now Douglas lives, he works for a big pharmaceutical company

1056
00:52:49.699 --> 00:52:52.940
over in the Boston area. So this is one reason,

1057
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.360
one guy that he wanted to do the interview via book.

1058
00:52:55.820 --> 00:52:57.400
But he said when he was a kid, they lived

1059
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.320
in Carbondale. They would go out to their grandfather's farm

1060
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:04.880
and they would go fishing in this pond that he had. Well, anyway,

1061
00:53:05.300 --> 00:53:08.780
so the grandfather had this neighbor. They always went to

1062
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:11.000
the back of the property and they got to a

1063
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.739
certain point on this game trail where there's no trespassing.

1064
00:53:14.380 --> 00:53:16.840
and signs, I'll shoot and all this stuff. So, and

1065
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.699
they were warned from the grand dad, don't go past

1066
00:53:19.739 --> 00:53:23.199
my property into this other guy's, there's a old stripper

1067
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.519
pit that this guy has. He protects it. He won't

1068
00:53:25.539 --> 00:53:27.699
even let his own family go there. So everybody kind

1069
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:29.679
of thought he's a recluse. Well, anyway, the guy dies,

1070
00:53:30.179 --> 00:53:33.300
the daughters inherit his property. So they sold part of it.

1071
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.400
They sold the back area. Their dad had always scared

1072
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:37.760
him from going back there. He said it was haunted.

1073
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:42.099
So anyway, so he sold that back acreage to this

1074
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.539
Douglas's grandfather so he had just bought that so he

1075
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:46.989
and his dad went out there oh we're going to

1076
00:53:47.030 --> 00:53:48.789
get to fish in this new place and finally see

1077
00:53:48.829 --> 00:53:52.110
what that stripper pit looks like so they get to

1078
00:53:52.150 --> 00:53:55.050
go past they take the no trespass and sign down

1079
00:53:55.510 --> 00:53:57.650
and they continue on they mander down they come up

1080
00:53:57.690 --> 00:54:00.110
and it's a really good size stripper pit and they

1081
00:54:00.130 --> 00:54:02.070
can see an area this game trail goes you can

1082
00:54:02.090 --> 00:54:05.590
see the area where it was smooth and they figured

1083
00:54:05.610 --> 00:54:07.699
that's like the game trail and you can see on

1084
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.219
the other side of the lake another area that was

1085
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.460
sort of like that so Evidently animals would cross or

1086
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.300
come from two sides to get water. A lot of

1087
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.440
the stripper pit was inaccessible and hard to fish by foot.

1088
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:21.739
So they planned on, man, we come back here at

1089
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:23.889
some point, we'll bring a canoe and just stash it

1090
00:54:23.909 --> 00:54:25.650
in the woods so we don't have to carry it

1091
00:54:25.710 --> 00:54:29.210
so far. So they started fishing. Well, pretty soon they

1092
00:54:29.250 --> 00:54:31.789
hear something on the other side and they look up

1093
00:54:31.829 --> 00:54:34.849
there and this creature standing there and he's growling out

1094
00:54:34.909 --> 00:54:37.849
on making all kinds of a racket. And he acted

1095
00:54:37.869 --> 00:54:39.769
like he was frustrated. Well, they could hear another one

1096
00:54:39.809 --> 00:54:42.289
coming through the woods and Well, this thing came running

1097
00:54:42.349 --> 00:54:45.789
forward and he didn't dive like a human would. They

1098
00:54:45.829 --> 00:54:48.429
said he pencil dived. He came in and he jumped

1099
00:54:48.469 --> 00:54:52.260
into the water feet first and it scared the heck

1100
00:54:52.340 --> 00:54:54.760
out of him. Well, this thing, they realized he was

1101
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:57.940
swimming towards them. They could see awake. So they start running.

1102
00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:01.380
They run and they can hear eventually this thing get

1103
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:04.530
on the other side and they're getting down the trail,

1104
00:55:04.570 --> 00:55:07.230
down the trail. And after a bit, they didn't hear anything,

1105
00:55:07.250 --> 00:55:09.090
but they assumed he was still hot on the trail.

1106
00:55:09.579 --> 00:55:12.199
And they got all the way back. So this thing

1107
00:55:12.219 --> 00:55:15.119
had dove down and was swimming towards them. So what

1108
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:18.250
they ended up getting back and they told their grandfather,

1109
00:55:18.690 --> 00:55:20.769
you know, what they could. And the grandfather was kind

1110
00:55:20.809 --> 00:55:23.269
of like, yeah, I don't know about that. Well, then

1111
00:55:23.289 --> 00:55:26.170
the grandfather, after they left, he thought about it and

1112
00:55:26.210 --> 00:55:28.809
he started thinking, you know, there's times I've heard odd noises,

1113
00:55:29.389 --> 00:55:31.900
you know, on the back end of the property and whatnot.

1114
00:55:32.460 --> 00:55:35.199
So anyway, he decides a couple of days later, he's

1115
00:55:35.219 --> 00:55:37.400
going to walk back there and go and investigate himself.

1116
00:55:37.980 --> 00:55:39.900
So he gets back there and before he gets to

1117
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.860
the pond, right where that no trespassing sign was on

1118
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.280
this certain oak tree, their fishing gear was all there,

1119
00:55:46.300 --> 00:55:48.699
but like the rods were busted in half and their

1120
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.280
tackle all scared, like something grabbed it and just dumped it.

1121
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.480
So then he's like, not sure if there was a

1122
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:56.860
human back there. He started to recognize why this old

1123
00:55:56.900 --> 00:56:01.239
man never wanted anybody back there. And he started putting

1124
00:56:01.260 --> 00:56:05.179
more credence in what his son and grandson was telling him.

1125
00:56:05.730 --> 00:56:07.530
that maybe there is some kind of creature. Well, then

1126
00:56:07.570 --> 00:56:09.820
he said he started getting a really odd feeling. So

1127
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:11.900
he picked up what he could. He come back. And

1128
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:13.420
the next time they come out there, he gave him

1129
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.559
a bag. I found your fishing gear. And he said,

1130
00:56:16.579 --> 00:56:18.960
let's just agree not to go back there. The grandfather

1131
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.480
had looked into it more. He never would tell him

1132
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.139
if he saw anything, but he told him enough that

1133
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:27.039
he thinks there's something back there that he said. Now,

1134
00:56:27.099 --> 00:56:28.639
I believe he said, I thought you guys were a

1135
00:56:28.659 --> 00:56:30.909
little bent when you told the story. But when I

1136
00:56:30.949 --> 00:56:33.090
went back there, He says, I know you wouldn't have

1137
00:56:33.210 --> 00:56:35.969
destroyed your fishing gear. That was really top quality gear

1138
00:56:36.570 --> 00:56:39.380
that granddad had given him at a Christmas a year earlier.

1139
00:56:39.460 --> 00:56:42.360
So he knew at that point there was something to

1140
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:45.179
what they said. So I think that was a really good,

1141
00:56:45.659 --> 00:56:49.599
really good instance of, you know, not necessarily an ocean one,

1142
00:56:49.619 --> 00:56:51.860
but this right in a farm, like a, you know,

1143
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:53.539
what I call a farm pond, but it's a stripper

1144
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:56.230
pit on the back of this guy's property. Apparently they'd

1145
00:56:56.269 --> 00:56:58.550
had the run back there and that's why the farmer

1146
00:56:58.590 --> 00:57:00.710
put it off limits. So they were so used to

1147
00:57:00.730 --> 00:57:03.469
never having humans back there. And he felt like it

1148
00:57:03.510 --> 00:57:06.349
really upset them when they, they did get that property

1149
00:57:06.389 --> 00:57:08.630
and come back there. They were, did not want them back.

1150
00:57:09.130 --> 00:57:11.349
So they never did go put the canoe there and

1151
00:57:11.389 --> 00:57:14.190
the farmer or the, their granddad, he owned it for

1152
00:57:14.230 --> 00:57:16.530
maybe like 10 more years and now it's in hands

1153
00:57:16.590 --> 00:57:21.760
of somebody else. But if you Google that County, Jackson County, Illinois,

1154
00:57:22.210 --> 00:57:24.510
you'll see a whole bunch of like little ponds and

1155
00:57:24.530 --> 00:57:27.090
stripper pits all over the place. And that's a heavy

1156
00:57:27.150 --> 00:57:29.829
deer rich area. So I've been to that County. It's

1157
00:57:29.909 --> 00:57:32.030
full of deer. So, you know, there's a lot of

1158
00:57:32.070 --> 00:57:35.090
reasons why something would take up residence at a stripper

1159
00:57:35.139 --> 00:57:37.059
pit in a remote area. And it was only 20

1160
00:57:37.059 --> 00:57:42.280
miles North of Shawnee national forest. That's a well-known Sasquatch place. So,

1161
00:57:42.619 --> 00:57:43.719
you know, it kind of adds up.

1162
00:57:44.579 --> 00:57:47.119
No, absolutely. Down there. I mean, you don't mess around.

1163
00:57:47.179 --> 00:57:48.460
They're all over the place.

1164
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.099
So that is, that's a great example, John of, the

1165
00:57:52.139 --> 00:57:54.139
type of encounters that you have in this book. And

1166
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:57.130
it's not just like you did a search for the

1167
00:57:57.170 --> 00:57:59.010
word Bigfoot and swim and.

1168
00:57:58.929 --> 00:57:59.869
You put whatever in there.

1169
00:57:59.889 --> 00:58:02.449
Like the thing I like about your books is the

1170
00:58:02.469 --> 00:58:04.980
accounts are in there for a reason and you put

1171
00:58:05.019 --> 00:58:07.980
a lot of work into it. And it is, it's

1172
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:12.380
a highly enjoyable book with, and there's also a really

1173
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.380
good interview with a good friend, uh, Jason Kenzie in there,

1174
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:16.059
in there too.

1175
00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:19.179
Oh yeah. Yeah. Jason was gracious to them. There's a

1176
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.489
lot of good info. It tells how he got into

1177
00:58:21.530 --> 00:58:24.949
searching for Sasquatch, which that's a nice, interesting story in

1178
00:58:25.010 --> 00:58:27.050
of itself. It is. It is.

1179
00:58:27.690 --> 00:58:30.090
But John, I just want to say thank you for,

1180
00:58:30.269 --> 00:58:33.469
for coming on the show for sharing about, you know,

1181
00:58:33.769 --> 00:58:36.590
a new book, aquatic Sasquatch. Thank you for hooking me

1182
00:58:36.699 --> 00:58:39.719
up with a copy of that. It's been fun to read. Um,

1183
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.579
I know your journey is not done because once you

1184
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:47.059
start going down, I mean, I can't even imagine what's

1185
00:58:47.139 --> 00:58:49.860
in your mind for the future. Yeah, it just keeps

1186
00:58:49.929 --> 00:58:52.969
going and going and going. It's the same with me, man.

1187
00:58:53.130 --> 00:58:56.090
People have no idea. But I just want to say

1188
00:58:56.110 --> 00:58:59.150
thank you for coming on the show. It was great

1189
00:58:59.210 --> 00:59:02.210
to catch up with you and to hear about all

1190
00:59:02.250 --> 00:59:05.929
your theories. And I think it's good for theories like

1191
00:59:05.969 --> 00:59:09.389
that to get out there. I mean, let's not let

1192
00:59:09.429 --> 00:59:14.219
the science, go away just because, you know, and we

1193
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:18.900
miss Dr. Meldrum, but like, let's come up with scientific

1194
00:59:18.940 --> 00:59:22.409
theories ourselves, you know, and keep that going. So thank

1195
00:59:22.429 --> 00:59:23.409
you for doing that, man.

1196
00:59:24.269 --> 00:59:27.139
Well, thank you, Jeremiah. There was about... a while back,

1197
00:59:27.219 --> 00:59:29.889
I'm just grateful to have this opportunity to talk to you.

1198
00:59:29.909 --> 00:59:32.429
I was really worried about you for a long time

1199
00:59:32.949 --> 00:59:34.429
and I've said a lot of prayers. I know all

1200
00:59:34.469 --> 00:59:37.489
your listeners have, and I think there is power in prayer.

1201
00:59:37.530 --> 00:59:39.829
I think that, um, you know, you've got a massive

1202
00:59:39.869 --> 00:59:42.469
amount of people behind you and I'm just thrilled to

1203
00:59:42.489 --> 00:59:44.389
have opportunity to come on and talk to you and

1204
00:59:44.409 --> 00:59:46.739
that you're still doing your show. You know, from our

1205
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.800
selfish perspective, we worry about you not doing the show

1206
00:59:49.900 --> 00:59:53.579
from a personal human perspective. It's great that you're able

1207
00:59:53.619 --> 00:59:56.199
to do the show and, and, and so forth. So,

1208
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:58.559
you know, I couldn't ask for anything more than that.

1209
00:59:58.599 --> 00:59:59.360
How cool is that?

1210
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:01.070
Thank you.

1211
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:04.380
I mean, there are so many people I know that

1212
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.079
are praying because my email is full every day. And

1213
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:09.429
I want to say thank you to everyone that is praying.

1214
01:00:09.469 --> 01:00:11.590
That is the most important thing you can do. And

1215
01:00:11.929 --> 01:00:13.829
that means the world to me. And it is making

1216
01:00:14.349 --> 01:00:18.969
a world of difference. And John, do you mind spending

1217
01:00:19.010 --> 01:00:21.699
a few minutes how people can keep up to date

1218
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:23.699
with what you're doing, how they can get a copy

1219
01:00:23.739 --> 01:00:26.260
of your books and all that good stuff.

1220
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:29.360
Sure. Straight on Amazon, you can get any of my

1221
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.719
books on there. But if you forget the name of

1222
01:00:31.739 --> 01:00:35.170
the book, if you go to my website, johnreiners.com, just

1223
01:00:35.190 --> 01:00:38.170
capital J, John Reiners, just like it is on the screen,

1224
01:00:38.190 --> 01:00:41.349
but all run together, johnreiners.com, you can read a little

1225
01:00:41.369 --> 01:00:44.110
bit about me and my books. And that gives links

1226
01:00:44.150 --> 01:00:46.369
right there. It'll take you straight to Amazon to get them.

1227
01:00:46.769 --> 01:00:49.769
I'm also on Facebook. If somebody wants... to hit me

1228
01:00:49.829 --> 01:00:52.349
on messenger with any questions. There's a link to my

1229
01:00:52.469 --> 01:00:56.329
email from, um, my website. If anybody's got any questions

1230
01:00:56.369 --> 01:00:58.449
or anything like that, I love to interact with people

1231
01:00:58.469 --> 01:01:01.869
and answer, answer questions for them. So, you know, those

1232
01:01:01.909 --> 01:01:04.769
are the easiest ways. Facebook, um, you know, I'm on there.

1233
01:01:04.789 --> 01:01:07.090
They can hit me up on messenger or do a

1234
01:01:07.130 --> 01:01:09.849
friend request and keep up on stuff there too.

1235
01:01:11.210 --> 01:01:11.869
Fantastic.

1236
01:01:11.909 --> 01:01:14.400
Well, we'll be keeping an eye on, on, uh, on

1237
01:01:14.420 --> 01:01:17.360
you as you travel down this road, John, and we'll

1238
01:01:17.389 --> 01:01:18.639
be with you every step of the way.

1239
01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:20.679
But thanks for hanging out today, John.

1240
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.489
Jeremiah, I really appreciate it. Godspeed.

1241
01:01:23.710 --> 01:01:26.130
If you've had a Bigfoot encounter of your own, I

1242
01:01:26.130 --> 01:01:27.949
would love to hear from you. You can send me

1243
01:01:27.969 --> 01:01:33.210
an email with your encounter at bigfootsociety at gmail.com. I've

1244
01:01:33.250 --> 01:01:36.809
come out with a free report about the top 10

1245
01:01:36.809 --> 01:01:41.809
Bigfoot hotspots. You can go over to bit.ly forward slash

1246
01:01:41.869 --> 01:01:43.550
BFS report.

1247
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.269
I'm Jeremiah Byron. Thanks for listening to Bigfoot Society, and

1248
01:01:47.329 --> 01:01:48.130
I'll see you in the woods.