"I Wanted to Scream, But Fear Gripped Me... It Was Right There, Watching Me."

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Either you're listening to the Big for
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time so far, so let's get
on with the show, all right,

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Big for Society. We've got the
privilege of talking to Alex again. You

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may remember Alex from previous episodes back
a while ago. We talked about the

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Bigfoot of Prince of Wales Island back
in the day in Alaska, and we

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also talked about some interesting leave his
skinwalker type situations that he had in the

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southwest of the US. But Alex
reached out to me again. He's got

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some interesting things to share about his
younger years, but Alex, how are

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you doing today, sir? Very
good? How are you? Oh,

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I'm doing good, man. It's
always a good good day when I'm able

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to finish out the day chatting about
some interesting things over the phone for the

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podcast. And man, we've had
some real doozies lately with I'll tell you

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what, man, the one I
just did. YouTube's not letting me upload

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it. They're they're kind of I
don't know if it's just the glitch,

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but like, I don't know if
I'll be able to put on YouTube.

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We'll see, but anyways, fingers
crossed on that one. But Alex,

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what have you been up to lately? Same thing I do every night,

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Jeremiah try to take over the world. Sorry for half of my listeners aren't

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going to get that, But yeah, Thanky and the brain reference. Just

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in case anybody's wondering, look it
up on Hulu or whatever and you might

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be able to find some old episodes. It's a classic for sure. Good

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stuff. But sorry, you're good, Alex. You were saying that,

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and I think we may have referenced
this a little bit in one of the

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episodes, but you said that you
wanted to get deep into a sighting that

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you had in your younger years.
So I'm going to let you jump right

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into that and let's start. Let's
start chatting about that. What happened to

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you back in those days. Okay, it was July fifth, nineteen seventy

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eight. I remember it pretty well. It was just the usual day.

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We'd been up there, and we'd
just celebrated the fourth of July the day

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before, and we were kind of
hanging around and this is my grandpa and

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grandma's house in Hood River, Oregon, and it was just like any other

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day or whatever. This was back
before I really knew about Bigfoot. I

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mean, you know, you've heard
of it, and i'd heard people reference

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it. But you know, as
I've stated in previous shows, you know,

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i'd put that in the realm of
unicorns, ferries, alves, trolls,

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that kind of stuff, you know, mythological doesn't exist, couldn't possibly

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exist, and that's kind of where
i'd put it, so, you know,

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and we'd been out berry picking and
we have BlackBerry briars which grew along

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the road by my grandma and grandpa's
house, and we go out there and

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we pick them and they're really good, and so we just went back to

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the house. My grandma made some
BlackBerry pie and some other BlackBerry stuff jam

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and whatnot, and it was about
nine o'clock I went to bed. And

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this is the part that really gets
me, because like, I wish to

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God it, I wish to God, I've never seen that bigfoot man,

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I really do. And I'm not
laughing because it's funny. I'm laughing because

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even talking about it just makes me
like relive it. And it's like,

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so it's like about one point thirty
in the morning, basically, and I

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have to go to the bathroom.
So I wake up, I do my

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business, and I'm coming back into
my room and up above our room had

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no curtains on the windows, so
you could see in and out and there

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was nothing blocking the view or anything
like that. We had two windows in

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the back bedroom of the house,
and one window was on the right side

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of the room. The other was
on the left on the left side of

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the room. Right above that,
my grandpa had a floodlight with a sensor

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on it, and if you walked
out in front of that at night,

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it would turn on. And it
had two bright floodlights over it. And

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so I'm getting ready, I'm walking. I just stepped into the door and

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walked part way into the room and
that floodlight kick going. And I was

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sitting there thinking, Wow, that's
kind of weird because it's like one thirty

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in the morning, and you know, it's like we had on the wall.

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We had a small cloth with a
little pendulum on it and it showed

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the time as one thirty, and
so like when I saw that light kick

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on, I was like, because
my grandpa he had that floodlight out there

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with censor because he worked at the
sawmill up there, and he would come

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out and that floodlight would kick on. And he had his little white Toyota

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truck, a small Toyota truck,
not the big ones or any of that,

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but it was a real small one. I don't remember exactly what model

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it was. I just remember it
was white and it was small. I

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mean, it's big enough for him
to fit in obviously, but you know,

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it wasn't a big size truck or
a full size truck. So anyway,

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he would use that so that when
he came out there, like three

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point thirty four in the morning to
go to work, that he could get

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in the car. The floodlight would
be on, and then he'd put his

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key in the door and take off. And so I'm sitting there, and

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right next to that truck there's a
big fuel tank which he had filled regularly

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and had gas in it, and
so he would use that to fill his

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vehicles and stuff. And anyway,
so the light kicks on. I'm thinking,

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I don't know, maybe there was
something going on at the sawmill,

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maybe he had to go into work
early. So I start walking toward the

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window and I look out the window. And this is still hard to talk

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about, man, because this is
a direct sighting. This is like where

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you're looking at something through binoculars or
a rifle scope or some type of telescopic

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lens or something. This is like
you're like five six feet away from this

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thing, and it's like you look
out and you're a kid, and you

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look out the window and you see
this gigantic frigging bigfoot just standing there looking

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at the light. And it held
its hand, not its paw didn't have

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a paw like a bear. It
had a hand, a gigantic frigging hand.

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This hand was like the size of
a boot or I mean, the

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hand was massive and musculary. I
can't even describe to you how strong this

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bigfoot was and how strong it look. I've told people before that it looked

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like it could literally rip the house
right off the foundation and not even break

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a sweat. That's how massive this
thing was. And it had its hand

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over its eyes because the light was
blinding it. I don't think it expected

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that, because it acted kind of
surprised, and it had like a I

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don't know, I don't know,
like a weird look on its face.

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I can't really explain it, like
what the hell kind of look? You

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know what I mean, like being
blinded and putting its hand over its face.

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You know, it had the hand
palm facing outward, and the hand

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was like covering its eyes, like
it was holding it up to its eyes.

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And it's like, my brain is
just gone. I can't even think.

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I can't even move, I'm just
staring and it's like, you know,

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it kind of I don't know.
I guess it got used to the

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light or something, and then the
light kind of I don't know, it

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was just weird. It kind of
looked over put its hand over you know

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how people put their hands over their
eyes when lights or lights are there,

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and they kind of make it like
the brow of a hat, you know,

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like the hats people where you know
how you put your hand over your

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eyes and put it right around your
eyebrow level where you can cover your eyes

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from the light. It looked in
there in the window, and I think

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it saw me standing there, and
it was kind of squinting. And I'll

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tell you that it was albino.
It had weird pink skin. And you

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know how albino rabbits have those weird
reddish pink eyes. That's what its eyes

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were like. And that's what its
eyes looked like. And that scared the

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living hell out of me. That
was the craziest looking thing I had ever

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seen in my life. It probably
was like four foot of the shoulders.

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It had like no neck. Its
head was set directly on its shoulders.

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It looked like and it didn't look
It didn't have like an ape face.

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You know how apes have like their
where their faces it kind of protrudes and

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sticks out a little bit like on
chimpanzees and stuff. It didn't have that.

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It had a flat face like humans
do. And it had a weird

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nose. Its nose was kind of
bulbous, and it was God. Even

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thinking about this trips me out.
Seriously. It's like when I talk about

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it, man, it's like I'm
right there again, it's like I'm looking

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at it. I can see it
in my brain. I can just like

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I don't know, it's like it
just happened, you know what I mean.

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I mean, it's like I'm right
there looking at it right now in

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my mind, and it's like my
brain just shredded. I mean, I

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didn't even know what to do,
man, I was so friggin scared.

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I didn't know if it was going
to grab me through the window, if

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it was going to try to get
in. I didn't know what it was

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going to do. I had no
idea. And so it walks up to

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the window, places both hands over
its eyes and stares in at me.

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And you know, when I say
over its eyes, I mean like you

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know how they salute in the military, and they salute like that. But

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it had its it's like its thumb
over on its cheek and its hand over

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its eye, ride both hands,
its thumbs on its cheeks and its hand

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over it's right above its brow,
and it was looking in the window at

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me in that bigfoot had weird eyes. It had little eyes. They were

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small and round and set real close
together, and it's just like it was

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absolutely terrifying, absolutely frigging terrifying.
I mean, I'm just like, what

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the hell, I don't even know
what to do, man, I'm just

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like And it seemed to go on
forever, you know what I mean.

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It just seemed like like like it
was hours, and it was really just

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a few seconds. I mean,
it was probably only like a minute if

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that. And it's looking in the
window and I'm just sitting there, standing

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there, I should say, just
like dumb as can be. And I

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finally kind of let out a like
that kind of and it kind of stepped

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back a little bit, and it
got a surprised look on its face,

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you know what I mean, Like
it like, I don't know, its

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eyes kind of opened up a little
wider, and like it stepped back,

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and it was looking at me like, why the hell did you do that?

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You know what I mean? Why
is he screaming? What the hell?

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You know? And kind of like
a surprise look, and then it

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just kind of kind of glares at
me, and then it turns around and

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it starts walking away and as it
walked away, it let out this really

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bizarre screech. I will never forget
that for the rest of my life.

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I can't imitate it, but I
heard it once a sound that was very

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similar to it. It was recorded
in nineteen seventy five on the reservation in

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Washington, and it was recorded by
a police officer. And I cannot remember

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what that gentleman's name was, but
anyway, he recorded it, and it

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was just this really weird screech and
it let it out and it was just

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like, you know, I can't
even imitate it, but like I could

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feel it in my body, you
know what I mean, Like it like

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the sound. When it hit me, it felt like I was almost like

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a physically hit, you know what
I mean, not like a punch,

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but like with vibrations from the sound. And I was like, you know,

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I was just sitting there and I
was just like completely dumbfounded. And

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you know, I guess my grandpa
heard me, and he came running in

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the room. But by the time
he got in there, it was already

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out of sight because the sucker was
taken like five foot whatever strides and it

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was out of side in just a
few seconds. We'll be back with more

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got in there, he was like, what what, what the hell?

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You know, what's going on?
I couldn't even talk, you know,

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I was just sitting there like,
you know kind of thing. And my

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grandpa was like he took me out
to the front room and he sat me

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down and he said, boy,
you need to breathe, you need to

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calm down. You need to think. He said, what happened? And

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I couldn't tell him. I don't
even know how long it was, man,

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that I stood there or sat there
on the couch looking at him,

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dumb as a rock. And then
I was finally, after whatever time,

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able to get it out. And
I just kind of stumbled at it and

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I said, Grandpa, I said, I saw a big hairy monster sitting

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outside my window. And I said
it scared me real bad, Grandpa,

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And he looked right at me and
he said, the craziest thing, Jeremiah.

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He didn't say the moose were back, the elk were back, the

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dogs were back, the bears were
back. He said, the damn dapes

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are back. As soon as I
told him what I saw he said,

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the damn dapes are back, and
he wouldn't say anything after that. I

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asked him, I was like,
Grandpa, what do you mean? He

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just turned real white, like pale, like he'd just seen a ghost,

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you know, And he was like, my grandpa was a very religious man,

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and if he cursed, it was
because there was like a severe provocation

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or something that was really and all
the time I knew my grandpa. That

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was the only time I ever heard
him curse when he said the damn dapes

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are back, and it's like God
talking about it. Man, I'm just

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sitting here sweating and shaking a little
bit. I'm sorry. I apologize,

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Jeremiah. It's just when you see
something up close and personal like that,

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there's no way you can mistake what
it is. Okay, it wasn't a

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bear, it wasn't a moose,
wasn't an elk, wasn't a guy in

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a costume. It was just a
large, hairy ape. And I don't

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know how to describe it any better
than that. But I'm sitting there on

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the couch, man, and my
grandpa will not explain himself. Now,

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I will tell you that a few
years later he had passed away, and

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my grandma had told me afterward that
he worked on Mount Hood. They had

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a logging contract in Manhood National Forest. She did not tell me exactly where,

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so I don't know, but they
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thin out the forest and stuff like
that. And she said that when he

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was up there in the logging camp, they had these canvas tents, these

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big canvas tents where the guys would
sleep, and they had some set up

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where they'd eat and stuff like that. She said that the Bigfoot came to

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his camp and would like break their
axes, and they had these big,

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like fifty five gallon fuel drums,
and those things weighed like hundreds of pounds,

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you know what I mean. This
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In order to lift them, they
had to have like heavy machinery come

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in to lift those things up.
One of the big foots or two,

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I don't know how many. They
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assuming it's one. According to my
grandma, she said they found one set

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of tracks. This thing had grabbed
that fifty five gallon fuel drum, picked

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it up, carried it about one
hundred feet and threw it in a ravine.

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You see. That's that's why when
I tell you that bigfoot are like

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freakishly strong, it's like I'm not
joking at all. If it can throw

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a fifty five gallon fuel drum that
was filled with fuel into a ravine,

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that's something that is like beyond powerful. That's like almost like I don't even

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know where to put that. But
she said that when the laggers went out

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the log she said, the Bigfoots
would come in and tear up their camp,

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and they always knew it was bigfoots. They found those gigantic freaking tracks

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out there. My grandpa actually saw
one, I guess. According to my

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grandma, he would never talk about
it to me directly, but she said

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that he told her about it,
and he said that they were chestnut colored,

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and he said they were gigantic,
like ten feet tall, and he

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said that they could like break trees
and uproot trees and stuff like that,

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and he said they'd throw rocks at
him. And eventually the bigfoot were so

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aggressive up there on Mount Hood that
they scared them all away, and the

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loggers and lumberjacks and all that they
just quit and they just abandoned their camp

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and left. It never went back. They didn't even go back to pick

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up the stuff that was out there, I guess. So it's like my

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grandpa knew what I saw. As
soon as I was finally able to stammer

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out what I told him, he
knew immediately what it was, you know,

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Like I said. He didn't say
the damn bears are back, the

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damn guys and costumes are back.
He said, the damned apes are back.

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And I will never forget that sighting
as long as I live, man,

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that thing haunts me, will haunt
me till the day I die.

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The weird thing about it is that
it had that weird pink skin and had

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a white hair on his body,
like all white, no color in the

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hair except white. And the hair
on its body was like three to four

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inches. And the next day,
my grandpa and I went outside and this

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thing left tracks that were an inch
and three quarters impressed into the ground.

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My grandpa was six foot and he
weighed about two hundred and fifty pounds,

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and he barely made an impression.
But whatever, however much the bigfoot I

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saw weighed, it left prints that
were an inch and three quarters and pressed

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into the ground. And it had
it, like I said, a five

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foot stride. And he measured the
footprints using his tape measure, and they

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were twenty two inches long and they
were about seven inches wide. And like

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I said, the sucker was massive. I'd say it'd probably have to be

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in the seven and a half eight
foot maybe eight and a half foot range,

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because all windows on my grandpa's house
in the back end were about six

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or so feet off the ground,
and this thing had to been down to

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look in the window. So you're
talking about something that's frigging massive. And

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like I said that, the whole
incident couldn't have been more than like I

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don't know, maybe a minute tops. I'm not even sure, to be

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honest, I was so tripped out. I just I was completely dumbfounded.

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And so when my grandpa finally got
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he would not discuss with me what
he said about the apes. Damn bapes

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are back, and so you know, he looked at me and he said,

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boy, don't ask. And so
when my grandpa said stuff like that,

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my grandpa was a man a few
words. He was the strong,

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silent type. If he said boy
don't ask, I knew if I kept

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asking, I'd get a whooping because
my grandpa was not afraid to hand out

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a little little justice, if you
know what I mean. And so I

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just I just dropped it, like
I said. Years later, my grandma

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clued me in and both my grandfather
Lee, who was the grandpa I grew

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up with, and my grandpa Pat, my flesh and blood grandpa. My

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grandma remarried to my grandpa Lee after
my grandpa Pat passed away. My grandpa

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Pat was also a logger, and
he had experiences with them. I guess

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in Timber, Oregon, which is
outside of Banks, Oregon, which is

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not too far from Portland, but
it's out in the countryside. And in

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Timber, Oregon, that place is
massively forested. There's like hundreds of miles

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out there forests, or there were
when I was a kid. I don't

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know about now. I haven't been
in Oregon since nineteen ninety six. I

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have no idea what it looks like
now. But when I was a kid,

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Timber was just all forest, dick, dense, thick forest like pine

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trees and stuff, and they were
pretty good sized. And I guess my

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grandpa Pat had experiences with them too. I guess I guess the big Foot

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would like break their axes. And
my grandpa told my grandma that, you

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know those big saws that they have, the kind that have like two handles

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and it takes two people to use
it, and they're metal them, they've

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got like wooden handles and they're probably
like six feet long. I think they

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had one of those. And my
grandma said that the bigfoots ripped the saws

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apart by grabbing them, putting their
hands on it. And I guess one

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of the loggers saw them do this. It picked up the saw and this

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is some pretty heavy stuff, you
know what I mean. And you know

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how people can grab pa burn rip
it down the middle. That's what the

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big Foot did to the saw.
And the metal on the saw. They

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ripped it like paper, just ripped
it. And like they said that the

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big Foot were so strong that they
could like twist the axes and break them

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just by like holding them in their
hands. And like then they'd take the

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metal the axe head and they'd like
throw them in in like rivers, lakes,

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streams, whatever, they'd throw them
in there, and uh, it's

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just like I don't know, man, it's just you know, it's just

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sorry, go ahead. I'm not
surprised that they would have that kind of

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thing happened to them. I mean, there's so many stories of like individuals

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that might be clearing brush or in
this case, cutting down trees, and

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I could definitely, you know,
that's that's one of the easy ways to

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get these creatures pretty mad, it
seems so, I could definitely see how,

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you know, you'd have axes broken
or saws ripped in half, or

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you know, any other tools just
just devastated. Thankfully, you know,

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the Bigfoot weren't coming after the guys
themselves in this situation, although I'm sure

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that probably happened in other situations.
But they were pretty lucky to get away

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with just their axes being twisted,
for sure. My grandma did say that

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there was a guy who shot at
one a Bigfoot on that mountain in Mount

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Hood that was on their camp.
He shot at one. That guy ended

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up disappearing. They never heard from
him again. Nobody knew what happened to

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him. I don't know the band's
name, I don't know where he was

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from. All I know is my
grandma said he was a new person on

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the crew, and nobody really knew
him very well, and I guess he

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saw a bigfoot and shot at it. And the next day he disappeared.

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And you know, again, nobody
knows what happened to him. I don't

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have any I can only tell you
what my grandma said. I can't tell

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you who the man was, where
he was from, or anything about him.

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All I can tell you is what
she said. So I will just

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say to your listeners, don't shoot
at bigfoot. Don't do it. You're

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not not a good idea, and
it's a very unhealthy idea. Even if

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you were to get one, you
know that their brothers are right around the

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corner, so you're not just dealing
with one. Well, as how I

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look at it, you've got multiples, so you better be ready. Natives

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I've talked to who live out in
Oregon, like the Shaelis, you know,

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the Yakama tribe and some other stuff. Some of the people I talked

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to, they said that those suckers
live in families, and that they look

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out for each other, and they
whistle and call each other in when stuff

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like that happens. And then you
get like mass attacked. And I think

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we can all learn and learn from
the fred Beck experience from eight Kenyon in

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nineteen twenty four. Oh, absolutely, you shouldn't shoot a bigfoot. But

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it's like, I know we're getting
off topic. I'm sorry. It's just

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I when I talk about that sighting
I had, it really really kind of

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shakes me up and I kind of
get upset. Not a you or at

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your listeners, just the situation.
It kind of is like PTSD for me.

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I tried talking to a therapist about
it one time because somebody said I

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should. That therapist looked at me
like I was a psycho, you know,

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like wanted to put me in a
rubber room or something. I was

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like, what, you know,
it's like whatever. So I didn't talk

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about this stuff for years, and
you know, people would make funny It's

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like people say, oh, you're
just doing that to get attention. Yeah,

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sure, okay. I like getting
ridiculed and bullied and beat up and

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harassed, you know, Yeah,
I love that. It's a lot of

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fun. Everybody should try it.
Yeah, stupid bigfoot, right, And

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unfortunately that back in the day,
I mean, it used to not be

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like how it is right now.
But years ago, I mean, people

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would be rid of you. Still
laughing if you talk about that stuff.

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True, fair enough, But how
how old were you again when when you

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had this sighting? Seven? That's
right? Seven? I think I remember

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that from before, but I just
want to make sure it was called out

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in this one. Do you mind
sharing for context? So the Hood River

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is a pretty long river. Do
you was it near like maybe a certain

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town that this took place, or
for area context or I don't know if

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you can share that. Yeah?
Sure, Hood River is near like Odell

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the Dallas. It's about two and
a half hours. I think it's either

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east or west of Portland. I
can't remember. I apologize, but Portland

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is probably the nearest big city to
where it is. Hood River when I

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was a kid, was a small
town and it was, you know,

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not too far from Mount Hood.
You could probably get to Mount Hood probably

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about an hour from where we lived
in the Hood River. Okay, that

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helps, I was I was a
bit confused, but I looked at a

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map and I became unconfused. I
was thinking of the Columbia River. Hood

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River is the name of the town
Columbia, Hood River of the town.

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The Columbia River is right near Hood
River. Who were actually the city of

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Hood River. The spalling part of
it actually is on the Columbia River,

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the lower part of the city.
We'll be back with more big Foot society

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after these words from our sponsors.
Wow. And back then you're saying it

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was it was a pretty unpopulated area. Well, my grandpa owned about oh

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gosh, what was about one hundred
acres? Oh wow? At one time

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he sold a lot of it off. But yeah, we had a lot

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of forest on our land. And
now I will tell you I never saw

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that bigfoot again. I can tell
you the Hood River, I found out

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years later, has a long history
of bigfoot. The Hood River Gazette has

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reported on bigfoot sightings for years before
I was born. And plus, if

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you talk to Native Americans who live
in that area, they'll tell you straight

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up that they've been seeing bigfoot for
centuries before even Europeans came or settlers or

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any of that. And they said
that the bigfoot out there would like if

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the Natives were out fishing, or
they would do like these nets, kind

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of like dip nets in Alaska kind
of thing. But they do those nets,

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and the bigfoot would come out and
grab the nets or all over their

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shoulders and walk back in the woods, and you know, it's just this

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bigfoot are so crazy. I mean, they're just they're goofy. I mean,

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you can't really predict or expect them
to do certain things. I don't

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know, They're just weird. They
are their own people, and I don't

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know whatever in any of those reports, did you ever see anyone else seeing

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a white one in that area like
you had seen or do you think that

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was a pretty rare occurrence? If
it helps. I talked to Peter Burne

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and he said that he'd never heard
of an albino bigfoot that I like what

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I described, And I actually met
him through Ray Crow of the Western Bigfoot

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Society at the time, it was
called the Western Bigfoot Society. I met

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him. I met Renee de Hindon, John Green, and a bunch of

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the other old bigfooters old timer's,
and Peter burn actually told me that he

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believed my story simply because of the
description I gave him. He said that

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when I told him that the eyes
were real small and set close together,

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he told me, he said,
you don't sound like a well educated person.

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He said, I'm not trying to
be rude, you know. He

406
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.719
had a British accent. He's like, I'm not trying to be rude,

407
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:23.480
but you know kind of thing.
He said, you don't sound like a

408
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:28.119
well educated person who would know that
kind of a detail. But he said,

409
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.079
as an educated person myself, he
said, I can tell you that

410
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:37.239
one of the traits of albinos is
to have around small eyes that are set

411
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:43.679
close together. And he said,
that's an inbreeding trade. And this is

412
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.440
what he said. I don't know
if it's true. I'm just telling you

413
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:50.280
what the man said. I'm not
a doctor, I'm not a primatologist.

414
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.679
I don't really know anything about that
kind of stuff outside of the world of

415
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.320
Bigfoot. But that's what Peter Burn
told me, and he said he would

416
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:05.400
he would label my sighting as a
class A simply for that detail. And

417
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:12.159
you know, plus, I don't
know, man, how how long ago

418
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:16.800
was it that you were able to
meet all those gentlemen Peter Burn? This

419
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:27.360
was in the This was like late
eighties, early nineties. Okay, okay,

420
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:34.039
wow that yeah. I was thinking
it would have been the around the

421
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.920
early nineties by interviews I've had in
the past. Did you ever meet a

422
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:44.639
gentleman named Henry Franzoni. I did
not know. Okay, yeah, he

423
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:47.400
would have been, not that I
know of. He would have been late

424
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:52.559
night, mid to late nineties.
He started hanging out with Peter burn I

425
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:58.360
just talked to him a few days
ago. But hm, so did you

426
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.840
actually talk to Renee and didn't face
to face or was it like over the

427
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:05.280
phone things? Yeah? No,
no, no, I talked to him

428
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:10.760
face to face. He was at
a big Foot Days Daze in Washington State

429
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.960
that I attended in the early nineties. I think it was like ninety one,

430
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:22.360
ninety two, maybe I don't remember. It was sometime around then,

431
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.079
and Ray Crow of the Western Bigfoot
Society was a part of that. He

432
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:29.639
had helped set it up, and
Renee to Hendon was there and I got

433
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.239
to ask him like a whole bunch
of questions. And that was a salty

434
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.679
old boy. I'll tell you what. He was no frigging nonsense at all.

435
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:44.559
He had no use for people who
were telling stories or whatever. He

436
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:49.719
was very blunt and very direct.
And I will tell people, don't meet

437
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:54.800
your heroes because sometimes they're a lot
different in real life how you think they

438
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:59.480
see. I liked him, but
I mean, he was just you know,

439
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.639
if he thought somebody was bsing and
he had a really strong, like

440
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.079
French Canadian accent, he'd start dogging
them, you know, and he'd start

441
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:14.280
like cursing them in French and stuff. Oh absolutely, absolutely, Like Renee,

442
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.039
Renee, you know, his friends
who knew what he was saying,

443
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.519
was like, Ray, Renee,
calm down, it's not that deep,

444
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.480
you know, take it easy,
take it easy, take a rith.

445
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.079
And he's like, here he's fucking
people. They don't know what the hell

446
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:31.760
they're talking about. He was so
funny. One guy was telling stories and

447
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:43.920
he was talking about Bigfoot, was
like an interdimensional psychic UFO not And Renee

448
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.920
looked at him and he goes,
this guy is full of shit, yes,

449
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:51.239
stupid. He doesn't know anything at
Paul, you know. And then

450
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.960
he starts talking in French about him. And I'm like, I don't know

451
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:58.199
what he said. I don't speak
French, but I know it didn't sound

452
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.400
very nice. I know, people
who knew what he was saying or turning

453
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:07.039
bright red. Yeah, he was
like he had no use for people saying

454
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.320
they puts the psychic, interdimensional UFO
or not. He was like, it's

455
00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:15.960
a fucking ape in it right.
It just had this really weird way of

456
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.719
talking, but he was so funny. He was just absolutely hilarious. And

457
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.719
listeners will think that might be like
an exaggeration, but it's not. If

458
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.400
you go to the Sasquatch Archives YouTube
channel, you can watch the video of

459
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.239
Renee talking exactly like that. Oh
yeah, dude, have you you never

460
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.559
been there? Oh my goodness,
you're gonna love it. So it's like

461
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:43.679
all these people have sent in their
old VHS tapes of these old conferences from

462
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:50.800
the nineties and stuff to this guy
in calf sorry, this guy in Canada

463
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.360
named Todd Prescott, and he's put
him on this YouTube channel called Sasquatch Archives

464
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.920
and it's going to change your life. You'll love it. So really,

465
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.079
yeah, check it out later.
I really did not even know about that

466
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:06.480
that conference that you went to might
actually even be on there. There's some

467
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:09.960
really really I would love that stuff. So I would love that. You

468
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:17.199
can see Renee de Hinden going up
against doctor Meldrum when they were when Doctor

469
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:22.679
melgam was a lot younger, of
course, mustache only, but just it's

470
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.760
it's it's a wild trip. So
definitely check that out. I'll try to

471
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.840
remember to put that in the show
notes as well. But did you go

472
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.239
to any other Bigfoot conferences or anything, or was that the main one that

473
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:39.840
you went to. That's that's really
Ray Crew had a lot of stuff at

474
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:45.440
his Western big Foot Society. We
used to meet there every once in a

475
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.719
while, and he had different people
come out there. I wasn't always able

476
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.199
to attend because at the time I
was working a lot, But when I

477
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:59.760
could attend, he had John Green
out there one time, and John Green

478
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:01.480
let me, I tell you that
guy knows Bigfoot in and out. Sure,

479
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.719
yeah, he is a He was
really like an encyclopedia. I think

480
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.800
him passing away was a huge loss
to the Bigfoot community because he took like

481
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:17.760
really detailed notes on people. And
I was actually able to talk to him

482
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.360
about Albert Ausman because I asked him
straight up. I said, do you

483
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.280
think that guy was full of crap? And he goes no, he said,

484
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.000
I've known Albert for years and he
was a very he had a very

485
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.159
quiet way of talking, you know
what I mean. And he was like,

486
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.840
no, he says, I've known
him for years. I've known him

487
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:43.280
for years back then, and he
said his story never changed even to the

488
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:46.719
day he died. He said he
never recanted the story and he always told

489
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.280
it the same. He said it
never varied or changed in any way.

490
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.280
If he didn't know something, if
somebody asked him a question, he'd tell

491
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.519
him he didn't know it. He
said. He was just real straightforward.

492
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:04.280
And Uh, I don't know.
I always admired the older bigfooters, you

493
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:09.880
know, like like Renee John Green. Uh, you know and some of

494
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:15.840
the others out there. That's that's
incredible. So you actually would go to

495
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:21.960
the meetings and attend those when you
could, Yes, Wow, that's awesome.

496
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.000
Do you remember any of the other
people that would that you remember from

497
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:34.599
being in attendance as well? Or
I heard that James Bobo Fey went there

498
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:37.760
once. I did not. I
was not able to be there when he

499
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:43.159
did. But I guess he knew
Ray Crow and he knew I guess according

500
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.440
to Ray it was a really great
meeting. He put it in his He

501
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:52.639
had this this newsletter he put out
called The Track right, and uh,

502
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:58.400
I guess Bobo was featured in there
or something, or he talked about him

503
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.199
and what he said, and I
guess it was like really he said it

504
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.719
was not only entertaining. He said, the guy just was like a bigfoot

505
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:07.679
sponge, you know what I mean. That's how Ray described him. He

506
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.440
said he knew about bigfoot in and
out, and you know, he knew

507
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.920
Native American stuff. He knew stuff
that scientists said, and he said that

508
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:22.599
Bobo was He said that Bobo was
really smart. He said, a lot

509
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.239
of people here him talk and they
think, oh, he's just this fake

510
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:30.079
dumb guy. He said, no, he's actually highly educated and he's really

511
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:37.519
intelligent. Yeah, yeah, And
he said that he he was just like

512
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:44.440
an encyclopedia. And I don't know, I really wish I could have met

513
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:49.480
Bobo. He's he's kind of a
hero to me too. Him and Cliff

514
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.480
Merrickman. I've never had the chance
to meet either one of them. I

515
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:59.400
would like to because they did have
They did have a meeting that Ray went

516
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.360
to that in another place, I
do not remember where it was where they

517
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:06.440
had Bob Gimblin and I had wanted
to go so bad that I had to

518
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.519
work and I could not get time
off from Mark at the time because we

519
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:14.719
were shorthanded. Sure, I really
would love to meet Bob Gimlin, just

520
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:20.519
because he's like a superstar, you
know what I mean, in the Big

521
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:25.119
four world. And he was a
hero to me growing up because he's never

522
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:30.679
recanted his story, not once,
and when he tells the story, he

523
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.199
tells it the same way, you
know. And Bob seems to me to

524
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.599
be the type of guy when I've
seen him on interviews on TV just seems

525
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:43.159
to be real open and real honest. And I would love to meet him.

526
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.639
I really would, just just to
thank him for what he did and

527
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:55.039
stuff like that. I've never heard
anyone say that he is not a genuine

528
00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.559
person. I mean, you're absolutely
right. He keeps to his story and

529
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.360
its just it doesn't deviate, you
know, It's just it's he's just one

530
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.559
of the coolest guys I've I've not
met him yet and maybe never will.

531
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:14.639
He just I believe he just had
his I want to say, his ninety

532
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:22.079
somethings birthday is It's incredible. He's
one of the last last individuals. But

533
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:27.280
wow, that's a I did not
know that you had those connections. That's

534
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.280
that's very cool, Alex. The
last one of the last times we had

535
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:37.480
talked, you know, we talked
about Alaska, and that's a fantastic episode

536
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.320
listeners. If you haven't heard the
Prince of Wales Island episode, I'll have

537
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.960
it lengthd you need to check that
out. But you'd mentioned there might be

538
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:52.239
a follow up trip at one point. Has that happened or or anything of

539
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.559
that. My wife was able to
go there, I unfortunately was not.

540
00:44:55.840 --> 00:45:01.159
Okay, I'm on oxygenery. Sure, Unfortunately, Sure, I don't have

541
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:09.199
like a small oxygen concentrator and so
you can't fly with the oxygen the metal

542
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:14.880
oxygen tanks I have, gotcha,
it doesn't allow that, so gotcha.

543
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:21.360
I am in the process of trying
to get a small portable oxygen concentrator and

544
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.280
then I will be able to fly
again. We'll be back with more big

545
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:32.079
Foot Society after these words from our
sponsors. We will go up there.

546
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:37.599
But if I ever do, I
will definitely make sure I document everything this

547
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:44.000
time. So, but yeah,
I know that hasn't happened for me yet.

548
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:52.880
Unfortunately, there's some questions that I've
I've started to ask just because as

549
00:45:53.000 --> 00:46:00.440
as you do more and more episodes, you kind of pick up on on

550
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:05.920
stuff and I'm just I'm just gonna
throw some out just to see throw I'm

551
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.679
throwing them out to everyone to see
if it sticks, because there's some interesting

552
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:16.480
side storylines. One of one of
them is did you ever have any interactions

553
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:24.480
or hear anything about Bigfoot or Sasquatch
in the near Oregon area. I actually

554
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:30.719
lived in Saint Helens, which is
not far from where near Okay. Yeah,

555
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:37.079
I lived in Saint Helens for about
four or five years when I was

556
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:45.599
a boy, and uh, yeah, I heard stories about it a lot

557
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:52.760
of times back in the eighties when
I lived there. Uh that stuff wasn't

558
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:57.880
really talked about because if you tried
to talk about it, people would like

559
00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:02.119
bully you and harass you. I
did make the mistake one time of sharing

560
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.599
that I had seen Bigfoot, and
I got bullied and harassed so bad that

561
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:13.679
I started getting like migraines and headaches
and getting ulcers and getting like physically sick.

562
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.239
So yeah, and Saint Helen's and
Saint Helen's and Rainier probably wasn't a

563
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.079
really good idea back then to be
talking about Bigfoot because the people out there

564
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.920
were real, no nonsense people and
they didn't want to hear about stuff like

565
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:32.519
that. In the Bible, it
doesn't exist mention of Bigfoot anywhere in the

566
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.519
Bible, therefore it can't be real. The comments are going to be ripping

567
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.920
today. This is great. The
YouTube comments are going to be rock and

568
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:44.320
I love it. Well, I'll
tell you what. They can get mad

569
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:46.280
or whatever. I'm telling you what
the people told me. I know,

570
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:51.079
I'm not saying you know that I
don't believe the Bible or any of that.

571
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:53.800
I'm telling you what they told me. Absolutely. You know, if

572
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.599
people want to get hurt about it, they can get hurt. But yeah,

573
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.920
that's those people saying that that isn't
something I'm telling them. That's what

574
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:07.519
was told to me when I was
getting my ass whooped by these punk kids

575
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:13.519
who were bullying me. That's terrible. So you know, I uh,

576
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.239
you know, people can get as
hot as they want about that, because

577
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.639
I know when you talk about the
Bible, if you say anything that isn't

578
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.400
just glowing and positive, these people
freak out. But you know, it's

579
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:28.119
like, look, it is what
it is. There's jerks in Christianity.

580
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.800
If you can't deal with that,
shut up, get out, move on,

581
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:36.559
because you know, if you can't
realize there's jerks in every religion and

582
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.719
non religion, jerks are a way
of life. It is what it is.

583
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.559
It can either accept it, get
over it, and move on,

584
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.000
or you can cry about it and
get angry. It's your choice. Absolutely,

585
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.960
I choose not to be angry.
It's all how you react to it,

586
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:59.400
for sure. Next one is kind
of a curve curveball. But I

587
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:04.400
know that We've talked about some other
topics as well. There's another episode where

588
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:12.480
we talked about uh you skin walk
or interaction and seeing a weird individual on

589
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.280
the side of the road once I
was down the Southwest, I believe.

590
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:24.639
But at any point have you heard
of people seeing what looks to be like

591
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:38.320
a a hyena, like a h
like from Africa. Yeah, I can't

592
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:42.960
say. I've never heard that,
all right. I've heard stories of the

593
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.119
troop oficbre that they kind of describe
it as being like a koi wolf or

594
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:51.599
a dog or something, But I've
never heard of anybody saying they saw a

595
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:58.639
hyena. Keep keep your ears out. It's a it's a weird thing that

596
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:05.480
is starting to to more people are
starting to come forward with stuff just because

597
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.400
it's it's being talked about. Specifically
on a podcast called Cryptis of the Korn,

598
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:14.840
they did a really interesting episode about
North America. Yeah, it's a

599
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:17.480
great dude, it's a great podcast. It's it's like, if you like

600
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:24.000
they talk about cryptis, but they
also are biology guys, so they know

601
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:29.760
a lot about the animal kingdom.
So it's a great combination. In their

602
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:36.280
episode about hyenas being seen, and
that's probably when people see dog Man,

603
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:43.960
they're actually seeing potentially a North American
hyena. It's it's it'll mess with your

604
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:52.119
head for sure. But yeah,
that that is that is unusual. But

605
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:57.679
I've heard weird stories about other stuff, so I can discount that exactly.

606
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:05.559
You have asolutely have over the years, and people that might remember the episode

607
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:10.400
in Alaska you were involved with the
Salvation Army. I believe you were a

608
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:20.280
minister with them, correct, that
is correct? Yes, Yeah, in

609
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:24.760
your years of being involved with them, was there ever a time where you

610
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:35.920
experienced something so weird that it almost
made you walk away or it just really

611
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:45.920
knocked you back a bit? That's
unusual. What do you mean by weird?

612
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:54.280
Well, you know, if you're
really into you know, let's say

613
00:51:54.320 --> 00:52:00.960
you're involved in the ministry and you're
really doing the work of the Lord,

614
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.440
you're going to come up against some
opposition, right, and you might encounter

615
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:09.760
some some weird, out of the
ordinary things. Was there ever a time

616
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.280
where like you really came up against
some stuff that was like, You're like,

617
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:19.800
I don't know what's going on here, and I'm not really sure how

618
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:29.599
to deal with this one. Yes, when about Okay, this is a

619
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:32.480
real crazy story, and people can
write it off, disbelieve it. I

620
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:39.159
really don't care, all right.
When I was saying clawk, a lady

621
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:44.159
called my wife and I over to
the house and invited us to dinner.

622
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:51.960
And we're over there eating and then
after we get done, she says to

623
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.320
me, she was like, well, pastor, she was like, uh,

624
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.320
she says, I don't want you
to think I'm crazy. And I'm

625
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:08.360
like okay. And she was like, but there's like a weird ghost upstairs

626
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:12.920
in my room and it bothers me
at night. And she was like.

627
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:17.840
I was like, okay, I'm
a pastor and I know the Bible.

628
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:24.079
I understand all that, and I
understand there's spirits and whatnot. I had

629
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:30.360
no idea what to do, had
a clue, not a ghostbuster, not

630
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:37.599
a demon person, not any ect. I'm a new pastor, and like

631
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:43.519
she wants me to go upstairs and
make the ghost go away, so I

632
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:51.719
can go upstairs. And I just
afraid and asked God to put it out.

633
00:53:51.760 --> 00:54:00.679
And you know, I have to
tell you that that whole room was

634
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.480
like ice cold. It was hot
outside and that room was ice cold,

635
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:14.159
and it was dark, and it
was just really weird up there. The

636
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.079
rest of her house was fine and
no problem. It was only when I

637
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:22.280
went upstairs to her bedroom and the
upstairs loft area that there was a problem.

638
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:30.760
And so my wife got out her
Bible and she read Psalm ninety one,

639
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:37.920
which is the som they call it
the Psalm of spiritual warfare. And

640
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:44.400
as soon as she started reading that, the ice cold all of that it

641
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:51.360
like went away. And the lady
told us later that she was able to

642
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:58.760
sleep peacefully in the room after that. Now, can I tell you that

643
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.400
was the spirit? I don't know. I don't know. I can tell

644
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:13.559
you it was weird. It's weird. Uh was just to this day ever

645
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:17.320
since I did that, I'm the
demon guy. Whenever somebody just goest trouble

646
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.639
in Klok, they called me up
and asked me what they should do.

647
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:24.960
So I actually had to study.
You thought that stuff. I could tell

648
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:30.079
them and it's like, I don't
know, you know that that's really weird,

649
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.519
And I'm sorry. You probably weren't
even asking about that. They're probably

650
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:38.280
asking about something like bigfoot or whatever. But I've heard so many crazy stories

651
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:45.880
and seeing weird stuffing in Klok and
the surrounding area that there's been reports up

652
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:54.280
there of UFOs, actual UFOs.
They had a I guess a plane that

653
00:55:54.400 --> 00:56:02.119
was traveling here. It was a
small aircraft like, uh, what do

654
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:07.639
they call those the ones that have
the float floatation devices on? Yeah,

655
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.840
yeah, floatplanes. Yeah. I
guess they were flying to catch a can

656
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:15.000
from Klok and they got like shot
a UFO shot by. It was a

657
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:21.199
large silver object and it passed them
like they were standing still. And they

658
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:27.280
said it had no visible means of
propulsion. They said it had no sound,

659
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:32.320
nothing, and they said it was
just the craziest looking thing. And

660
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:37.000
they said it was about the size
of a football field. It was.

661
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:43.280
It was really good sized. And
I said they only saw it for a

662
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.719
second and that passed by, uh, and it was just it was out

663
00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:51.159
of sight in like a second.
And they said it was flying real crazy.

664
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.679
They said it like shoot up at
like a ninety degree angle from going

665
00:56:54.719 --> 00:57:00.840
straight and like took off up into
the air and flew off and they never

666
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.320
saw it again. But yeah,
there's there's been a lot of weird stuff

667
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:10.159
around Alaska that people have talked about. That's just bizarrow. Now. I've

668
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:15.519
never seen a UFO, so I
can't say anything about that, but I

669
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.159
do know people who have seen them, and they're they're real serious about it,

670
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:23.360
and I believe them. I don't
know if that's what you're asking about.

671
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:29.800
I'm sorry, No, that's that's
exactly when you were up there.

672
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:35.280
Did you ever run into any situations
where people would say they heard like baby

673
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:39.519
cries in the woods? God,
Yes, yeah, the kushta Ka do

674
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:44.840
that crap. According to the Clinkets, and the Height has said that their

675
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:49.199
version of the kushta Ka does the
same thing. It makes baby cries,

676
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:53.079
and what it's trying to do is
lure you into the woods. And when

677
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:57.719
I say kushta Ka, I mean
the shape shifting evil spirit. I don't

678
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:02.000
mean Bigfoot. Some people think Bigfoot
is Scoushtaka. But from what I've studied

679
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:07.360
since I left Klok, the majority
of Clanket people that i've talked to believe

680
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:13.719
that it's an evil spirit, a
shape shifter, not a Bigfoot, and

681
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:19.280
so they said that they do that. And then I've heard reports from the

682
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:27.239
lower forty eight of Bigfoot doing that
and making that kind of sound and like

683
00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.760
trying to lure people into the forest, and if the people go and follow

684
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:39.159
that, they disappear and nobody ever
hears from them. Again. Now I

685
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:45.480
have heard that. Yes, I've
not personally heard the crying or anything like

686
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.679
that, thank goodness, because that
would scare the hell out of me.

687
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.519
But I've heard people say, people
I know real well, people who aren't

688
00:58:53.559 --> 00:59:01.119
liars, say that they've heard that. I'm not sure how I would I

689
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:07.000
would react to that either that I've
thankfully never heard that. I've never really

690
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:13.119
heard that come up in Iowa ever, but it's a possibility I could hear

691
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:19.280
someday, but something that's come up. I've talked to a few individuals from

692
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:25.639
Alaska since we last talked, when
you were up there or you know,

693
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.840
talking to people out there. Did
stories of giants ever come up at all?

694
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:35.440
Yeah? Six toed giants. Yes, is that something you can elaborate

695
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:40.639
on? Yes? Absolutely, all
right, you pick people We're seeing them

696
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:46.239
for years. They said that the
giants hunted mammoths all the way up to

697
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:53.000
the twenties. They said, these
gigantic six toed things, and they were

698
00:59:53.039 --> 01:00:02.360
gigantic, but they're not exactly like
Bigfoot from the and I've heard they're just

699
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:07.320
they're like when I say giant,
I don't mean like ten or twelve feet.

700
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:12.239
We'll be back with more big Foot
society after these words from our sponsors,

701
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:22.199
I mean like a lot taller than
that. And from what I was

702
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:29.039
told by you pick Elder, they
said that those things used to hunt mammoths.

703
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:37.079
Wow. Was that in the southeast
or what a section of Alaska that

704
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:43.159
was around like Barrel, Uncleat and
some other places up there? Man,

705
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:53.079
that is wild. Do you think
there's still mammoth up there? I can't

706
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:59.480
say there are, but I can
tell you that my grandmother, who was

707
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:07.920
upick, said that her mom claimed
to have eaten mammoth and also had like

708
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:16.320
ivory from dusks that were too large
to be like walrus or something like that.

709
01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:23.199
Wow. And for reference, for
you know, I wasn't familiar myself.

710
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:27.519
I had to look it up.
But Barrow, Alaska is is if

711
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:34.000
you imagine the very very top of
Alaska. M that's where you're at.

712
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:39.360
So imagine the farthest north you can
get, and that's where you were having

713
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:45.599
some uh, some mammoth sightings.
That's crazy. Wow. They say they're

714
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:53.159
they're they're still around. But I
haven't heard anything in the last like twenty

715
01:01:53.280 --> 01:02:00.400
or thirty years, anything that was
recent of anyone seeing a mammoth. But

716
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:06.159
some people think that they're still around. They think those six toed giants,

717
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:08.039
some of them that I've talked to, they think they're the ones that hunted

718
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:15.679
the mammoths to extinction. Wow,
that's where ilows to it. That's just

719
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.000
what they said. I can't say
it's true. I can only tell you

720
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:24.039
what people have told me now,
whether it's true or not. I ray

721
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:29.920
Crow of the Western Bigfoot Society always
used to say, when you hear reports,

722
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:36.679
always keep your skepticals on. He
called his classes as skepticals, and

723
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:42.000
so I encourage readers, if you
hear stories, be skeptical about it.

724
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:47.840
Check verify stuff like that as much
as you humanly can. Or if you're

725
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:52.000
just the type of person who finds
it entertaining, you don't really care one

726
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:53.400
way or the other. Just listen
to it, enjoy it, and move

727
01:02:53.440 --> 01:03:04.159
on. Simple. Are there any
uh? I'm sure it sounds like you've

728
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:09.039
always been into bigfoot. I'm sure
you're you're still looking into bigfoot right now?

729
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:15.440
Is there anything going on right now
regarding bigfoot research that really has uh,

730
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:21.920
that has you uh interested? Or
is keeping you up at night in

731
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:29.440
any way? In Montana? Yeah, out around Glacier National Park area.

732
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:34.079
Okay, there's been some real crazy
stories coming out of there, really,

733
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:44.440
yeah, like people disappearing, people
seeing Bigfoot, people seeing something else not

734
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:52.360
a Bigfoot, something weird, maybe
like a baboon or something almost but it

735
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:57.800
has it almost looks like a baboon, I guess, like like a I

736
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:01.599
think it's called a gugway maybe sometimes. I don't know if you've ever heard

737
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:06.320
about that. That's really interesting.
So are these from podcasts or where are

738
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:12.840
you seeing these reports come? I've
actually heard them from Native people who live

739
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:17.000
here in Montana. Really oh wow. Now, I will tell you they

740
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:19.840
are not people who are going to
come forward with that kind of stuff because

741
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:25.840
they don't want to lose their jobs. But they Yeah, I've heard stories

742
01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:31.320
from like my wife works for Actually, I probably better not say that.

743
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:38.119
Yeah, let's just say she works
with the native community and the medical capacity

744
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.440
and leader with that. I don't
want to get her in trouble. We

745
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:45.599
don't want that to happen or anything
else. Yeah, I do know that

746
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:50.119
I have personally, outside of her
employment, met people who are grower Cheyenne

747
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:55.800
because I was listening to a big
foot show one time and I was up

748
01:04:55.840 --> 01:05:00.119
there on the res I was listening
to a big Foot show and happ I

749
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:03.840
have my windows down because it was
hard and hades out there, and so

750
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:10.880
I had my windows down and I
was listening to Monster Quest on my phone,

751
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:15.039
an old episode of Monster Quest.
And one of the fellows heard me

752
01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:17.719
tell heard me listen to that,
and he comes up. He goes,

753
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:23.000
oh, do you believe in Bigfoot. I was like, yeah, I

754
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.519
believe in Bigfoot. I don't believe
in it. I know it's real.

755
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:29.159
And he goes, how do you
know? And I told him why,

756
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.519
I know because of my sighting when
I was a boy. And he looked

757
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:34.840
at me and he goes, you
know, there's a lot of people out

758
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:41.519
here on the reservation who've seen those
things even now. And he was telling

759
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:46.280
me all kinds of stories about it, and it's just so weird. Like

760
01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:55.480
they've had stories of like children getting
snatched or women. They've had stories of,

761
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:59.639
you know, people who were out
hunting disappearing and never being heard from

762
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:10.400
again and stuff like that. Do
you remember anything, any details at all

763
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:15.519
about what you heard regarding something that
looked like a baboon in Glacier National Park

764
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:24.800
that was around Glacier National Park.
They said it was large, they said

765
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.559
it had a tail, they said
it had a snout like a baboon,

766
01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.599
and they said it had weird ears, and they didn't really describe it.

767
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:41.239
They just said it was weird,
and they said it was real, powerfully

768
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:45.400
built. But they said that the
face of it looked like a baboon,

769
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.199
not like a dog man or other
things. They said it looked more like

770
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:54.559
a baboon. And the person I
spoke to actually was like wondering if it

771
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:59.599
was like some kind of weird experiment
from some government facility. And I was

772
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:03.119
like, I have no idea.
I've never heard anything like that, and

773
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:06.639
I've heard of the dog man and
stuff like that, but they said this

774
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:12.360
didn't look like Because I was like, what was it like a wolf like

775
01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.039
a dog or something, and They're
like, no, it looked like a

776
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:18.320
baboon. It had a face like
a baboon, but it was much larger

777
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:23.079
than a baboon, like, you
know, six feet six and a half

778
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:27.400
feet tall, and they said it
was more powerfully built than a baboon.

779
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.000
But they said the face looked just
like like if you see a picture of

780
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.599
a baboon, that's what the face
and the snout looked like on it.

781
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:39.360
And it had a tail like a
baboon. Wow, So I don't think

782
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:45.000
I don't think it was a dog
man man. A regular sized baboon is

783
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:48.320
a bad day, but you get
a baboon that's stronger and bigger, that's

784
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:51.760
going to be a really bad day. And I mean, if any listeners

785
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:59.960
have heard of a large, huge, giant baboon type cryptid in the Glacier

786
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:03.519
National Park area of Montana, put
it in the comments, or if you

787
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.679
need to, you can send me
an email at Big for Society at gmail

788
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:12.480
dot com. But did you,
Alex, over the years, and you've

789
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.479
had a lot of contact with different
types of people, did you ever have

790
01:08:15.560 --> 01:08:25.800
any reports of dog man sightings at
all? Yes, yep. I had

791
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:30.800
a friend who was from Michigan and
he was from that area up north of

792
01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.680
Detroit. I cannot remember what the
name of that crazy town was he was

793
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:39.840
from. I apologize, he told
me once, and I just I cannot

794
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:44.000
right now remember what the name of
the town was. But they had like

795
01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:48.800
a dog man that was running around
there killing animals like dogs and cats.

796
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:55.640
And they said it was definitely a
canid type thing, but it was it

797
01:08:55.720 --> 01:09:05.439
had hands not like pause and they
said it had like it had like see

798
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:10.279
how do I put this look.
I'll just tell you what they said.

799
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:14.319
You can take it however you want. Sure, you know how canines have

800
01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:18.239
the kind of bent legs, you
know what I mean, kind of weird

801
01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:24.119
back legs. They said it had
legs like that, but it had like

802
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.920
on the bottom of it instead of
having like paws, it had like feet.

803
01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:30.840
But it had like a wolf tail, a wolf ears, and a

804
01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:35.479
wolf face and the snout that wolves
have. But they said it looked like

805
01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:41.520
something that was like part human or
something. And again, I can only

806
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:45.359
tell you what they said. I
can't tell you what's reality from fiction.

807
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:51.399
I do believe the person because when
they talked about it, they again I

808
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:56.560
said this before on previous programs when
people have really seen something. You can

809
01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:03.039
see in their eyes the trauma of
what they experience. And that person when

810
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:09.399
he told me that story, he
very much. He turned white. He

811
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.800
was shaking. This is a really
strong, tough guy, you know what

812
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.760
I mean. He's not a cry
baby, you're a fusser or whatever.

813
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.279
He was really the strong, silent
type. And this dude broke down and

814
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:25.039
started crying when you reported what he
saw. So for him to do that

815
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:31.279
is very out of character for him. And so you know, he said,

816
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:40.600
don't hate me or think I'm He
said, don't think I'm Oh the

817
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.720
ussy And I apologize. That's just
what the man said. I'm not trying

818
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:49.279
to be bad or disgusting. I
apologize by thinking anybody, but that's what

819
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:51.479
he said. He said, I
don't want you thinking on that. I

820
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:55.319
said, I've been knowing you for
a while. Dude, I know you're

821
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:59.439
not like that. So I said, I believe you, and he's like,

822
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.279
you do. It's like when I
told my f and family, they

823
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:05.560
got all hurt, said I was
a liar and making it up, and

824
01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:11.159
I was like, people say stuff
like that because they don't want to try

825
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:14.840
to think about or deal with in
their mind what you're discussing with them,

826
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.439
because it's so outside of the realm
of what they understand, and so you

827
01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:28.279
know, they react hatefully or negatively
or or foolishly because their brains can't wrap

828
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:34.199
around the concept that there's things outside
of what they know that exist. I

829
01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:38.319
mean, if I had a dollar
for every time somebody asked me if I

830
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:42.079
saw a friggin bear or if it
was a dude in the first suit,

831
01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:48.239
if I had a dollar for every
time some dumb I'm sorry, I want

832
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:53.720
to really curse when I hear people
saying like that. It's like, look,

833
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:57.279
the Bigfoot had a flat face,
it didn't have the snout of a

834
01:11:57.279 --> 01:12:01.159
bear, didn't have the weird fur
ears on top of the head, okay,

835
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:06.039
and it didn't look like that.
It had hands and feet not pause.

836
01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:10.560
So you know, when people tell
me it was a bear, it's

837
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:13.880
like, I've seen every type of
bear in North America. You can show

838
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:18.560
me either on TV or in the
zoo, or I've gone hunting and hunted

839
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:23.319
them, so I know what a
bear looks like. I'm not a person

840
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:27.239
who's never seen a bear. I
wasn't fifty or one hundred feet away from

841
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:30.760
it saw something run by it.
Oh, that's a bigfoot. I saw

842
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.840
this thing from three and a half
feet away. I saw exactly clearly what

843
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:39.640
it was. When I told my
grandpa what it was, he didn't say,

844
01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.279
oh, the damn bears are back, or the damn guys in first

845
01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:46.239
suits are back. He said,
the damned apes are back. Yeah,

846
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.560
So you know, people can make
of that whatever they want. I really

847
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:53.720
don't care. You know, if
you want to be stupid and say I

848
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:57.760
saw a bear, then you're a
moron because you don't know. Bears have

849
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:01.760
snouts, ears on top of the
head, and pause off feet and hands.

850
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:05.439
So you know, if you can't
tell the difference between that and a

851
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:09.920
bake foot at three and a half
feet, then you're a more on And

852
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:13.319
you don't really need to be calm
in pink. And I really doubt there's

853
01:13:13.399 --> 01:13:18.239
a massive eight foot guy in a
suit running around in nineteen seventy eight.

854
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:25.520
Yeah, you can miss probably idiots, Probably not. Yeah, Alex,

855
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:29.279
this has been a fun episode because
there's so many tangents we've been on that

856
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:36.119
it will probably in a good way
that listeners will definitely get something new to

857
01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:40.199
look into from this episode. It's
been. It's been a fun one.

858
01:13:40.239 --> 01:13:43.640
It is always a fun time to
chat with you, sir, and I

859
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:48.880
appreciate you. It was coming on
again. Anything else weird comes up,

860
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:55.319
feel free to reach out. But
thank you so much for hanging out tonight.

861
01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:58.920
Alex. All right, Well,
God bless and you take care of

862
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:12.079
my friend too, sir. All
right, bye bye. Here at Bigfoot

863
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:16.319
Society, our goal is to provide
a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot

864
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:21.399
to share their encounter and a safe
and respected environment. But we need to

865
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:27.600
hear your story. If you've experienced
something that you just can't explain, please

866
01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:33.000
send me an email at Bigfoot Society
at gmail dot com. Then we can

867
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:38.880
start the conversation. And I know
a lot of you have not shared your

868
01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:44.079
encounter at all. It's been twenty
years and it's time that you get this

869
01:14:44.199 --> 01:14:47.279
off your chest and then you can
get some well deserved for rest because I

870
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:53.399
know you haven't been sleeping. I
understand what you're going through and I appreciate

871
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:54.600
every one of you listening