"I Wanted to Scream, But Fear Gripped Me... It Was Right There, Watching Me."

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big for Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Bron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where a friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Big for Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Alex again. You may remember Alex from previous episodes back a while ago. We talked about the Bigfoot of Prince of Wales Island back in the day in Alaska, and we also talked about some interesting leave his skinwalker type situations that he had in the southwest of the US. But Alex reached out to me again. He's got some interesting things to share about his younger years, but Alex, how are you doing today, sir? Very good? How are you? Oh, I'm doing good, man. It's always a good good day when I'm able to finish out the day chatting about some interesting things over the phone for the

1:33 podcast. And man, we've had some real doozies lately with I'll tell you what, man, the one I just did. YouTube's not letting me upload it. They're they're kind of I don't know if it's just the glitch, but like, I don't know if I'll be able to put on YouTube. We'll see, but anyways, fingers crossed on that one. But Alex, what have you been up to lately? Same thing I do every night, Jeremiah try to take over the world. Sorry for half of my listeners aren't going to get that, But yeah, Thanky and the brain reference. Just in case anybody's wondering, look it up on Hulu or whatever and you might be able to find some old episodes. It's a classic for sure. Good stuff. But sorry, you're good, Alex. You were saying that, and I think we may have referenced this a little bit in one of the episodes, but you said that you wanted to get deep into a sighting that you had in your younger years. So I'm going to let you jump right into that and let's start. Let's start chatting about that. What happened to you back in those days. Okay, it was July fifth, nineteen seventy eight. I remember it pretty well. It was just the usual day.

3:06 We'd been up there, and we'd just celebrated the fourth of July the day before, and we were kind of hanging around and this is my grandpa and grandma's house in Hood River, Oregon, and it was just like any other day or whatever. This was back before I really knew about Bigfoot. I mean, you know, you've heard of it, and i'd heard people reference it. But you know, as I've stated in previous shows, you know, i'd put that in the realm of unicorns, ferries, alves, trolls, that kind of stuff, you know, mythological doesn't exist, couldn't possibly exist, and that's kind of where i'd put it, so, you know, and we'd been out berry picking and we have BlackBerry briars which grew along the road by my grandma and grandpa's house, and we go out there and we pick them and they're really good, and so we just went back to the house. My grandma made some BlackBerry pie and some other BlackBerry stuff jam and whatnot, and it was about nine o'clock I went to bed. And this is the part that really gets me, because like, I wish to God it, I wish to God, I've never seen that bigfoot man, I really do. And I'm not laughing because it's funny. I'm laughing because even talking about it just makes me like relive it. And it's like,

4:38 so it's like about one point thirty in the morning, basically, and I have to go to the bathroom. So I wake up, I do my business, and I'm coming back into my room and up above our room had no curtains on the windows, so you could see in and out and there was nothing blocking the view or anything like that. We had two windows in the back bedroom of the house, and one window was on the right side of the room. The other was on the left on the left side of the room. Right above that, my grandpa had a floodlight with a sensor on it, and if you walked out in front of that at night, it would turn on. And it had two bright floodlights over it. And so I'm getting ready, I'm walking. I just stepped into the door and walked part way into the room and that floodlight kick going. And I was sitting there thinking, Wow, that's kind of weird because it's like one thirty in the morning, and you know, it's like we had on the wall.

5:46 We had a small cloth with a little pendulum on it and it showed the time as one thirty, and so like when I saw that light kick on, I was like, because my grandpa he had that floodlight out there with censor because he worked at the sawmill up there, and he would come out and that floodlight would kick on. And he had his little white Toyota truck, a small Toyota truck, not the big ones or any of that, but it was a real small one. I don't remember exactly what model it was. I just remember it was white and it was small. I mean, it's big enough for him to fit in obviously, but you know, it wasn't a big size truck or a full size truck. So anyway, he would use that so that when he came out there, like three point thirty four in the morning to go to work, that he could get in the car. The floodlight would be on, and then he'd put his key in the door and take off. And so I'm sitting there, and right next to that truck there's a big fuel tank which he had filled regularly and had gas in it, and so he would use that to fill his vehicles and stuff. And anyway, so the light kicks on. I'm thinking, I don't know, maybe there was something going on at the sawmill, maybe he had to go into work early. So I start walking toward the window and I look out the window. And this is still hard to talk

7:28 about, man, because this is a direct sighting. This is like where you're looking at something through binoculars or a rifle scope or some type of telescopic lens or something. This is like you're like five six feet away from this thing, and it's like you look out and you're a kid, and you look out the window and you see this gigantic frigging bigfoot just standing there looking at the light. And it held its hand, not its paw didn't have a paw like a bear. It had a hand, a gigantic frigging hand. This hand was like the size of a boot or I mean, the hand was massive and musculary. I can't even describe to you how strong this bigfoot was and how strong it look. I've told people before that it looked like it could literally rip the house right off the foundation and not even break a sweat. That's how massive this thing was. And it had its hand over its eyes because the light was blinding it. I don't think it expected that, because it acted kind of surprised, and it had like a I don't know, I don't know, like a weird look on its face.

8:48 I can't really explain it, like what the hell kind of look? You know what I mean, like being blinded and putting its hand over its face. You know, it had the hand palm facing outward, and the hand was like covering its eyes, like it was holding it up to its eyes. And it's like, my brain is just gone. I can't even think. I can't even move, I'm just staring and it's like, you know, it kind of I don't know. I guess it got used to the light or something, and then the light kind of I don't know, it was just weird. It kind of looked over put its hand over you know how people put their hands over their eyes when lights or lights are there, and they kind of make it like the brow of a hat, you know, like the hats people where you know how you put your hand over your eyes and put it right around your eyebrow level where you can cover your eyes from the light. It looked in there in the window, and I think it saw me standing there, and it was kind of squinting. And I'll tell you that it was albino. It had weird pink skin. And you know how albino rabbits have those weird reddish pink eyes. That's what its eyes were like. And that's what its eyes looked like. And that scared the living hell out of me. That was the craziest looking thing I had ever

10:18 seen in my life. It probably was like four foot of the shoulders. It had like no neck. Its head was set directly on its shoulders. It looked like and it didn't look It didn't have like an ape face. You know how apes have like their where their faces it kind of protrudes and sticks out a little bit like on chimpanzees and stuff. It didn't have that. It had a flat face like humans do. And it had a weird nose. Its nose was kind of bulbous, and it was God. Even thinking about this trips me out. Seriously. It's like when I talk about it, man, it's like I'm right there again, it's like I'm looking at it. I can see it in my brain. I can just like I don't know, it's like it just happened, you know what I mean.

11:11 I mean, it's like I'm right there looking at it right now in my mind, and it's like my brain just shredded. I mean, I didn't even know what to do, man, I was so friggin scared. I didn't know if it was going to grab me through the window, if it was going to try to get in. I didn't know what it was going to do. I had no idea. And so it walks up to the window, places both hands over its eyes and stares in at me. And you know, when I say over its eyes, I mean like you know how they salute in the military, and they salute like that. But it had its it's like its thumb over on its cheek and its hand over its eye, ride both hands, its thumbs on its cheeks and its hand over it's right above its brow, and it was looking in the window at me in that bigfoot had weird eyes. It had little eyes. They were small and round and set real close together, and it's just like it was absolutely terrifying, absolutely frigging terrifying. I mean, I'm just like, what the hell, I don't even know what to do, man, I'm just like And it seemed to go on forever, you know what I mean.

12:33 It just seemed like like like it was hours, and it was really just a few seconds. I mean, it was probably only like a minute if that. And it's looking in the window and I'm just sitting there, standing there, I should say, just like dumb as can be. And I finally kind of let out a like that kind of and it kind of stepped back a little bit, and it got a surprised look on its face, you know what I mean, Like it like, I don't know, its eyes kind of opened up a little wider, and like it stepped back, and it was looking at me like, why the hell did you do that?

13:28 You know what I mean? Why is he screaming? What the hell? You know? And kind of like a surprise look, and then it just kind of kind of glares at me, and then it turns around and it starts walking away and as it walked away, it let out this really bizarre screech. I will never forget that for the rest of my life. I can't imitate it, but I heard it once a sound that was very similar to it. It was recorded in nineteen seventy five on the reservation in Washington, and it was recorded by a police officer. And I cannot remember what that gentleman's name was, but anyway, he recorded it, and it was just this really weird screech and it let it out and it was just like, you know, I can't even imitate it, but like I could feel it in my body, you know what I mean, Like it like the sound. When it hit me, it felt like I was almost like a physically hit, you know what I mean, not like a punch, but like with vibrations from the sound. And I was like, you know, I was just sitting there and I was just like completely dumbfounded. And you know, I guess my grandpa heard me, and he came running in the room. But by the time he got in there, it was already out of sight because the sucker was taken like five foot whatever strides and it

15:03 was out of side in just a few seconds. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. And so by the time he got in there, he was like, what what, what the hell? You know, what's going on? I couldn't even talk, you know, I was just sitting there like, you know kind of thing. And my grandpa was like he took me out to the front room and he sat me down and he said, boy, you need to breathe, you need to calm down. You need to think. He said, what happened? And I couldn't tell him. I don't even know how long it was, man, that I stood there or sat there on the couch looking at him, dumb as a rock. And then I was finally, after whatever time, able to get it out. And I just kind of stumbled at it and I said, Grandpa, I said, I saw a big hairy monster sitting outside my window. And I said it scared me real bad, Grandpa, And he looked right at me and he said, the craziest thing, Jeremiah.

16:11 He didn't say the moose were back, the elk were back, the dogs were back, the bears were back. He said, the damn dapes are back. As soon as I told him what I saw he said, the damn dapes are back, and he wouldn't say anything after that. I asked him, I was like, Grandpa, what do you mean? He just turned real white, like pale, like he'd just seen a ghost, you know, And he was like, my grandpa was a very religious man, and if he cursed, it was because there was like a severe provocation or something that was really and all the time I knew my grandpa. That was the only time I ever heard him curse when he said the damn dapes are back, and it's like God talking about it. Man, I'm just sitting here sweating and shaking a little bit. I'm sorry. I apologize, Jeremiah. It's just when you see something up close and personal like that, there's no way you can mistake what it is. Okay, it wasn't a bear, it wasn't a moose, wasn't an elk, wasn't a guy in a costume. It was just a large, hairy ape. And I don't know how to describe it any better than that. But I'm sitting there on the couch, man, and my grandpa will not explain himself. Now, I will tell you that a few years later he had passed away, and

17:41 my grandma had told me afterward that he worked on Mount Hood. They had a logging contract in Manhood National Forest. She did not tell me exactly where, so I don't know, but they had a logging contract up there to thin out the forest and stuff like that. And she said that when he was up there in the logging camp, they had these canvas tents, these big canvas tents where the guys would sleep, and they had some set up where they'd eat and stuff like that. She said that the Bigfoot came to his camp and would like break their axes, and they had these big, like fifty five gallon fuel drums, and those things weighed like hundreds of pounds, you know what I mean. This isn't something a normal person can lift.

18:30 In order to lift them, they had to have like heavy machinery come in to lift those things up. One of the big foots or two, I don't know how many. They found one set of tracks, so I'm assuming it's one. According to my grandma, she said they found one set of tracks. This thing had grabbed that fifty five gallon fuel drum, picked it up, carried it about one hundred feet and threw it in a ravine. You see. That's that's why when I tell you that bigfoot are like freakishly strong, it's like I'm not joking at all. If it can throw a fifty five gallon fuel drum that was filled with fuel into a ravine, that's something that is like beyond powerful. That's like almost like I don't even know where to put that. But she said that when the laggers went out the log she said, the Bigfoots would come in and tear up their camp, and they always knew it was bigfoots. They found those gigantic freaking tracks out there. My grandpa actually saw one, I guess. According to my grandma, he would never talk about it to me directly, but she said that he told her about it, and he said that they were chestnut colored, and he said they were gigantic, like ten feet tall, and he said that they could like break trees and uproot trees and stuff like that, and he said they'd throw rocks at him. And eventually the bigfoot were so

20:02 aggressive up there on Mount Hood that they scared them all away, and the loggers and lumberjacks and all that they just quit and they just abandoned their camp and left. It never went back. They didn't even go back to pick up the stuff that was out there, I guess. So it's like my grandpa knew what I saw. As soon as I was finally able to stammer out what I told him, he knew immediately what it was, you know, Like I said. He didn't say the damn bears are back, the damn guys and costumes are back. He said, the damned apes are back. And I will never forget that sighting as long as I live, man, that thing haunts me, will haunt me till the day I die.

20:49 The weird thing about it is that it had that weird pink skin and had a white hair on his body, like all white, no color in the hair except white. And the hair on its body was like three to four inches. And the next day, my grandpa and I went outside and this thing left tracks that were an inch and three quarters impressed into the ground. My grandpa was six foot and he weighed about two hundred and fifty pounds, and he barely made an impression. But whatever, however much the bigfoot I saw weighed, it left prints that were an inch and three quarters and pressed into the ground. And it had it, like I said, a five foot stride. And he measured the footprints using his tape measure, and they were twenty two inches long and they were about seven inches wide. And like I said, the sucker was massive. I'd say it'd probably have to be in the seven and a half eight foot maybe eight and a half foot range, because all windows on my grandpa's house in the back end were about six or so feet off the ground, and this thing had to been down to look in the window. So you're talking about something that's frigging massive. And like I said that, the whole incident couldn't have been more than like I don't know, maybe a minute tops. I'm not even sure, to be honest, I was so tripped out. I just I was completely dumbfounded.

22:21 And so when my grandpa finally got me calmed down, like I said, he would not discuss with me what he said about the apes. Damn bapes are back, and so you know, he looked at me and he said, boy, don't ask. And so when my grandpa said stuff like that, my grandpa was a man a few words. He was the strong, silent type. If he said boy don't ask, I knew if I kept asking, I'd get a whooping because my grandpa was not afraid to hand out a little little justice, if you know what I mean. And so I just I just dropped it, like I said. Years later, my grandma clued me in and both my grandfather Lee, who was the grandpa I grew up with, and my grandpa Pat, my flesh and blood grandpa. My grandma remarried to my grandpa Lee after my grandpa Pat passed away. My grandpa Pat was also a logger, and he had experiences with them. I guess in Timber, Oregon, which is outside of Banks, Oregon, which is not too far from Portland, but it's out in the countryside. And in Timber, Oregon, that place is massively forested. There's like hundreds of miles out there forests, or there were when I was a kid. I don't know about now. I haven't been in Oregon since nineteen ninety six. I have no idea what it looks like now. But when I was a kid,

23:52 Timber was just all forest, dick, dense, thick forest like pine trees and stuff, and they were pretty good sized. And I guess my grandpa Pat had experiences with them too. I guess I guess the big Foot would like break their axes. And my grandpa told my grandma that, you know those big saws that they have, the kind that have like two handles and it takes two people to use it, and they're metal them, they've got like wooden handles and they're probably like six feet long. I think they had one of those. And my grandma said that the bigfoots ripped the saws apart by grabbing them, putting their hands on it. And I guess one of the loggers saw them do this. It picked up the saw and this is some pretty heavy stuff, you know what I mean. And you know how people can grab pa burn rip it down the middle. That's what the big Foot did to the saw. And the metal on the saw. They ripped it like paper, just ripped it. And like they said that the big Foot were so strong that they could like twist the axes and break them just by like holding them in their hands. And like then they'd take the

25:26 metal the axe head and they'd like throw them in in like rivers, lakes, streams, whatever, they'd throw them in there, and uh, it's just like I don't know, man, it's just you know, it's just sorry, go ahead. I'm not surprised that they would have that kind of thing happened to them. I mean, there's so many stories of like individuals that might be clearing brush or in this case, cutting down trees, and I could definitely, you know, that's that's one of the easy ways to get these creatures pretty mad, it seems so, I could definitely see how, you know, you'd have axes broken or saws ripped in half, or you know, any other tools just just devastated. Thankfully, you know, the Bigfoot weren't coming after the guys themselves in this situation, although I'm sure that probably happened in other situations. But they were pretty lucky to get away with just their axes being twisted, for sure. My grandma did say that there was a guy who shot at one a Bigfoot on that mountain in Mount Hood that was on their camp. He shot at one. That guy ended up disappearing. They never heard from him again. Nobody knew what happened to him. I don't know the band's name, I don't know where he was

26:57 from. All I know is my grandma said he was a new person on the crew, and nobody really knew him very well, and I guess he saw a bigfoot and shot at it. And the next day he disappeared. And you know, again, nobody knows what happened to him. I don't have any I can only tell you what my grandma said. I can't tell you who the man was, where he was from, or anything about him. All I can tell you is what she said. So I will just say to your listeners, don't shoot at bigfoot. Don't do it. You're not not a good idea, and it's a very unhealthy idea. Even if you were to get one, you know that their brothers are right around the corner, so you're not just dealing with one. Well, as how I look at it, you've got multiples, so you better be ready. Natives I've talked to who live out in Oregon, like the Shaelis, you know, the Yakama tribe and some other stuff. Some of the people I talked to, they said that those suckers live in families, and that they look out for each other, and they whistle and call each other in when stuff like that happens. And then you get like mass attacked. And I think we can all learn and learn from the fred Beck experience from eight Kenyon in nineteen twenty four. Oh, absolutely, you shouldn't shoot a bigfoot. But

28:33 it's like, I know we're getting off topic. I'm sorry. It's just I when I talk about that sighting I had, it really really kind of shakes me up and I kind of get upset. Not a you or at your listeners, just the situation. It kind of is like PTSD for me. I tried talking to a therapist about it one time because somebody said I should. That therapist looked at me like I was a psycho, you know, like wanted to put me in a rubber room or something. I was like, what, you know, it's like whatever. So I didn't talk about this stuff for years, and you know, people would make funny It's like people say, oh, you're just doing that to get attention. Yeah, sure, okay. I like getting ridiculed and bullied and beat up and harassed, you know, Yeah, I love that. It's a lot of fun. Everybody should try it. Yeah, stupid bigfoot, right, And unfortunately that back in the day, I mean, it used to not be like how it is right now. But years ago, I mean, people would be rid of you. Still laughing if you talk about that stuff.

29:45 True, fair enough, But how how old were you again when when you had this sighting? Seven? That's right? Seven? I think I remember that from before, but I just want to make sure it was called out in this one. Do you mind sharing for context? So the Hood River is a pretty long river. Do you was it near like maybe a certain town that this took place, or for area context or I don't know if you can share that. Yeah? Sure, Hood River is near like Odell the Dallas. It's about two and a half hours. I think it's either east or west of Portland. I can't remember. I apologize, but Portland is probably the nearest big city to where it is. Hood River when I was a kid, was a small town and it was, you know, not too far from Mount Hood. You could probably get to Mount Hood probably about an hour from where we lived in the Hood River. Okay, that helps, I was I was a bit confused, but I looked at a map and I became unconfused. I was thinking of the Columbia River. Hood River is the name of the town Columbia, Hood River of the town.

31:15 The Columbia River is right near Hood River. Who were actually the city of Hood River. The spalling part of it actually is on the Columbia River, the lower part of the city. We'll be back with more big Foot society after these words from our sponsors. Wow. And back then you're saying it was it was a pretty unpopulated area. Well, my grandpa owned about oh gosh, what was about one hundred acres? Oh wow? At one time he sold a lot of it off. But yeah, we had a lot of forest on our land. And now I will tell you I never saw that bigfoot again. I can tell you the Hood River, I found out years later, has a long history of bigfoot. The Hood River Gazette has reported on bigfoot sightings for years before I was born. And plus, if you talk to Native Americans who live in that area, they'll tell you straight up that they've been seeing bigfoot for centuries before even Europeans came or settlers or any of that. And they said that the bigfoot out there would like if the Natives were out fishing, or they would do like these nets, kind of like dip nets in Alaska kind of thing. But they do those nets,

32:47 and the bigfoot would come out and grab the nets or all over their shoulders and walk back in the woods, and you know, it's just this bigfoot are so crazy. I mean, they're just they're goofy. I mean, you can't really predict or expect them to do certain things. I don't know, They're just weird. They are their own people, and I don't know whatever in any of those reports, did you ever see anyone else seeing a white one in that area like you had seen or do you think that was a pretty rare occurrence? If it helps. I talked to Peter Burne and he said that he'd never heard of an albino bigfoot that I like what I described, And I actually met him through Ray Crow of the Western Bigfoot Society at the time, it was called the Western Bigfoot Society. I met him. I met Renee de Hindon, John Green, and a bunch of the other old bigfooters old timer's, and Peter burn actually told me that he believed my story simply because of the description I gave him. He said that when I told him that the eyes were real small and set close together, he told me, he said, you don't sound like a well educated person.

34:15 He said, I'm not trying to be rude, you know. He had a British accent. He's like, I'm not trying to be rude, but you know kind of thing. He said, you don't sound like a well educated person who would know that kind of a detail. But he said, as an educated person myself, he said, I can tell you that one of the traits of albinos is to have around small eyes that are set close together. And he said, that's an inbreeding trade. And this is what he said. I don't know if it's true. I'm just telling you what the man said. I'm not a doctor, I'm not a primatologist. I don't really know anything about that kind of stuff outside of the world of Bigfoot. But that's what Peter Burn told me, and he said he would he would label my sighting as a class A simply for that detail. And you know, plus, I don't know, man, how how long ago was it that you were able to meet all those gentlemen Peter Burn? This was in the This was like late eighties, early nineties. Okay, okay, wow that yeah. I was thinking it would have been the around the early nineties by interviews I've had in the past. Did you ever meet a gentleman named Henry Franzoni. I did not know. Okay, yeah, he would have been, not that I know of. He would have been late

35:47 night, mid to late nineties. He started hanging out with Peter burn I just talked to him a few days ago. But hm, so did you actually talk to Renee and didn't face to face or was it like over the phone things? Yeah? No, no, no, I talked to him face to face. He was at a big Foot Days Daze in Washington State that I attended in the early nineties. I think it was like ninety one, ninety two, maybe I don't remember. It was sometime around then, and Ray Crow of the Western Bigfoot Society was a part of that. He had helped set it up, and Renee to Hendon was there and I got to ask him like a whole bunch of questions. And that was a salty old boy. I'll tell you what. He was no frigging nonsense at all.

36:38 He had no use for people who were telling stories or whatever. He was very blunt and very direct. And I will tell people, don't meet your heroes because sometimes they're a lot different in real life how you think they see. I liked him, but I mean, he was just you know, if he thought somebody was bsing and he had a really strong, like French Canadian accent, he'd start dogging them, you know, and he'd start like cursing them in French and stuff. Oh absolutely, absolutely, Like Renee, Renee, you know, his friends who knew what he was saying, was like, Ray, Renee, calm down, it's not that deep, you know, take it easy, take it easy, take a rith.

37:22 And he's like, here he's fucking people. They don't know what the hell they're talking about. He was so funny. One guy was telling stories and he was talking about Bigfoot, was like an interdimensional psychic UFO not And Renee looked at him and he goes, this guy is full of shit, yes, stupid. He doesn't know anything at Paul, you know. And then he starts talking in French about him. And I'm like, I don't know what he said. I don't speak French, but I know it didn't sound very nice. I know, people who knew what he was saying or turning bright red. Yeah, he was like he had no use for people saying they puts the psychic, interdimensional UFO or not. He was like, it's a fucking ape in it right. It just had this really weird way of talking, but he was so funny. He was just absolutely hilarious. And listeners will think that might be like an exaggeration, but it's not. If you go to the Sasquatch Archives YouTube channel, you can watch the video of Renee talking exactly like that. Oh yeah, dude, have you you never been there? Oh my goodness, you're gonna love it. So it's like all these people have sent in their old VHS tapes of these old conferences from the nineties and stuff to this guy in calf sorry, this guy in Canada named Todd Prescott, and he's put him on this YouTube channel called Sasquatch Archives

38:54 and it's going to change your life. You'll love it. So really, yeah, check it out later. I really did not even know about that that conference that you went to might actually even be on there. There's some really really I would love that stuff. So I would love that. You can see Renee de Hinden going up against doctor Meldrum when they were when Doctor melgam was a lot younger, of course, mustache only, but just it's it's it's a wild trip. So definitely check that out. I'll try to remember to put that in the show notes as well. But did you go to any other Bigfoot conferences or anything, or was that the main one that you went to. That's that's really Ray Crew had a lot of stuff at his Western big Foot Society. We used to meet there every once in a while, and he had different people come out there. I wasn't always able to attend because at the time I was working a lot, But when I could attend, he had John Green out there one time, and John Green let me, I tell you that guy knows Bigfoot in and out. Sure, yeah, he is a He was really like an encyclopedia. I think him passing away was a huge loss to the Bigfoot community because he took like really detailed notes on people. And I was actually able to talk to him about Albert Ausman because I asked him straight up. I said, do you think that guy was full of crap? And he goes no, he said,

40:25 I've known Albert for years and he was a very he had a very quiet way of talking, you know what I mean. And he was like, no, he says, I've known him for years. I've known him for years back then, and he said his story never changed even to the day he died. He said he never recanted the story and he always told it the same. He said it never varied or changed in any way. If he didn't know something, if somebody asked him a question, he'd tell him he didn't know it. He said. He was just real straightforward. And Uh, I don't know. I always admired the older bigfooters, you know, like like Renee John Green. Uh, you know and some of the others out there. That's that's incredible. So you actually would go to the meetings and attend those when you could, Yes, Wow, that's awesome.

41:22 Do you remember any of the other people that would that you remember from being in attendance as well? Or I heard that James Bobo Fey went there once. I did not. I was not able to be there when he did. But I guess he knew Ray Crow and he knew I guess according to Ray it was a really great meeting. He put it in his He had this this newsletter he put out called The Track right, and uh, I guess Bobo was featured in there or something, or he talked about him and what he said, and I guess it was like really he said it was not only entertaining. He said, the guy just was like a bigfoot sponge, you know what I mean. That's how Ray described him. He said he knew about bigfoot in and out, and you know, he knew Native American stuff. He knew stuff that scientists said, and he said that Bobo was He said that Bobo was really smart. He said, a lot of people here him talk and they think, oh, he's just this fake dumb guy. He said, no, he's actually highly educated and he's really intelligent. Yeah, yeah, And he said that he he was just like an encyclopedia. And I don't know, I really wish I could have met Bobo. He's he's kind of a hero to me too. Him and Cliff Merrickman. I've never had the chance to meet either one of them. I

42:52 would like to because they did have They did have a meeting that Ray went to that in another place, I do not remember where it was where they had Bob Gimblin and I had wanted to go so bad that I had to work and I could not get time off from Mark at the time because we were shorthanded. Sure, I really would love to meet Bob Gimlin, just because he's like a superstar, you know what I mean, in the Big four world. And he was a hero to me growing up because he's never recanted his story, not once, and when he tells the story, he tells it the same way, you know. And Bob seems to me to be the type of guy when I've seen him on interviews on TV just seems to be real open and real honest. And I would love to meet him.

43:43 I really would, just just to thank him for what he did and stuff like that. I've never heard anyone say that he is not a genuine person. I mean, you're absolutely right. He keeps to his story and its just it doesn't deviate, you know, It's just it's he's just one of the coolest guys I've I've not met him yet and maybe never will. He just I believe he just had his I want to say, his ninety somethings birthday is It's incredible. He's one of the last last individuals. But wow, that's a I did not know that you had those connections. That's that's very cool, Alex. The last one of the last times we had talked, you know, we talked about Alaska, and that's a fantastic episode listeners. If you haven't heard the Prince of Wales Island episode, I'll have it lengthd you need to check that out. But you'd mentioned there might be a follow up trip at one point. Has that happened or or anything of that. My wife was able to go there, I unfortunately was not.

44:55 Okay, I'm on oxygenery. Sure, Unfortunately, Sure, I don't have like a small oxygen concentrator and so you can't fly with the oxygen the metal oxygen tanks I have, gotcha, it doesn't allow that, so gotcha. I am in the process of trying to get a small portable oxygen concentrator and then I will be able to fly again. We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors. We will go up there. But if I ever do, I will definitely make sure I document everything this time. So, but yeah, I know that hasn't happened for me yet.

45:44 Unfortunately, there's some questions that I've I've started to ask just because as as you do more and more episodes, you kind of pick up on on stuff and I'm just I'm just gonna throw some out just to see throw I'm throwing them out to everyone to see if it sticks, because there's some interesting side storylines. One of one of them is did you ever have any interactions or hear anything about Bigfoot or Sasquatch in the near Oregon area. I actually lived in Saint Helens, which is not far from where near Okay. Yeah, I lived in Saint Helens for about four or five years when I was a boy, and uh, yeah, I heard stories about it a lot of times back in the eighties when I lived there. Uh that stuff wasn't really talked about because if you tried to talk about it, people would like bully you and harass you. I did make the mistake one time of sharing that I had seen Bigfoot, and I got bullied and harassed so bad that I started getting like migraines and headaches and getting ulcers and getting like physically sick.

47:14 So yeah, and Saint Helen's and Saint Helen's and Rainier probably wasn't a really good idea back then to be talking about Bigfoot because the people out there were real, no nonsense people and they didn't want to hear about stuff like that. In the Bible, it doesn't exist mention of Bigfoot anywhere in the Bible, therefore it can't be real. The comments are going to be ripping today. This is great. The YouTube comments are going to be rock and I love it. Well, I'll tell you what. They can get mad or whatever. I'm telling you what the people told me. I know, I'm not saying you know that I don't believe the Bible or any of that. I'm telling you what they told me. Absolutely. You know, if people want to get hurt about it, they can get hurt. But yeah, that's those people saying that that isn't something I'm telling them. That's what was told to me when I was getting my ass whooped by these punk kids who were bullying me. That's terrible. So you know, I uh, you know, people can get as hot as they want about that, because I know when you talk about the Bible, if you say anything that isn't just glowing and positive, these people freak out. But you know, it's like, look, it is what it is. There's jerks in Christianity.

48:28 If you can't deal with that, shut up, get out, move on, because you know, if you can't realize there's jerks in every religion and non religion, jerks are a way of life. It is what it is. It can either accept it, get over it, and move on, or you can cry about it and get angry. It's your choice. Absolutely, I choose not to be angry. It's all how you react to it, for sure. Next one is kind of a curve curveball. But I know that We've talked about some other topics as well. There's another episode where we talked about uh you skin walk or interaction and seeing a weird individual on the side of the road once I was down the Southwest, I believe.

49:15 But at any point have you heard of people seeing what looks to be like a a hyena, like a h like from Africa. Yeah, I can't say. I've never heard that, all right. I've heard stories of the troop oficbre that they kind of describe it as being like a koi wolf or a dog or something, But I've never heard of anybody saying they saw a hyena. Keep keep your ears out. It's a it's a weird thing that is starting to to more people are starting to come forward with stuff just because it's it's being talked about. Specifically on a podcast called Cryptis of the Korn, they did a really interesting episode about North America. Yeah, it's a great dude, it's a great podcast. It's it's like, if you like they talk about cryptis, but they also are biology guys, so they know a lot about the animal kingdom. So it's a great combination. In their episode about hyenas being seen, and that's probably when people see dog Man, they're actually seeing potentially a North American hyena. It's it's it'll mess with your head for sure. But yeah, that that is that is unusual. But

50:52 I've heard weird stories about other stuff, so I can discount that exactly. You have asolutely have over the years, and people that might remember the episode in Alaska you were involved with the Salvation Army. I believe you were a minister with them, correct, that is correct? Yes, Yeah, in your years of being involved with them, was there ever a time where you experienced something so weird that it almost made you walk away or it just really knocked you back a bit? That's unusual. What do you mean by weird?

51:45 Well, you know, if you're really into you know, let's say you're involved in the ministry and you're really doing the work of the Lord, you're going to come up against some opposition, right, and you might encounter some some weird, out of the ordinary things. Was there ever a time where like you really came up against some stuff that was like, You're like, I don't know what's going on here, and I'm not really sure how to deal with this one. Yes, when about Okay, this is a real crazy story, and people can write it off, disbelieve it. I really don't care, all right. When I was saying clawk, a lady called my wife and I over to the house and invited us to dinner.

52:44 And we're over there eating and then after we get done, she says to me, she was like, well, pastor, she was like, uh, she says, I don't want you to think I'm crazy. And I'm like okay. And she was like, but there's like a weird ghost upstairs in my room and it bothers me at night. And she was like. I was like, okay, I'm a pastor and I know the Bible. I understand all that, and I understand there's spirits and whatnot. I had no idea what to do, had a clue, not a ghostbuster, not a demon person, not any ect. I'm a new pastor, and like she wants me to go upstairs and make the ghost go away, so I can go upstairs. And I just afraid and asked God to put it out.

53:51 And you know, I have to tell you that that whole room was like ice cold. It was hot outside and that room was ice cold, and it was dark, and it was just really weird up there. The rest of her house was fine and no problem. It was only when I went upstairs to her bedroom and the upstairs loft area that there was a problem. And so my wife got out her Bible and she read Psalm ninety one, which is the som they call it the Psalm of spiritual warfare. And as soon as she started reading that, the ice cold all of that it like went away. And the lady told us later that she was able to sleep peacefully in the room after that. Now, can I tell you that was the spirit? I don't know. I don't know. I can tell you it was weird. It's weird. Uh was just to this day ever since I did that, I'm the demon guy. Whenever somebody just goest trouble in Klok, they called me up and asked me what they should do.

55:21 So I actually had to study. You thought that stuff. I could tell them and it's like, I don't know, you know that that's really weird, And I'm sorry. You probably weren't even asking about that. They're probably asking about something like bigfoot or whatever. But I've heard so many crazy stories and seeing weird stuffing in Klok and the surrounding area that there's been reports up there of UFOs, actual UFOs. They had a I guess a plane that was traveling here. It was a small aircraft like, uh, what do they call those the ones that have the float floatation devices on? Yeah, yeah, floatplanes. Yeah. I guess they were flying to catch a can from Klok and they got like shot a UFO shot by. It was a large silver object and it passed them like they were standing still. And they said it had no visible means of propulsion. They said it had no sound, nothing, and they said it was just the craziest looking thing. And they said it was about the size of a football field. It was.

56:37 It was really good sized. And I said they only saw it for a second and that passed by, uh, and it was just it was out of sight in like a second. And they said it was flying real crazy. They said it like shoot up at like a ninety degree angle from going straight and like took off up into the air and flew off and they never saw it again. But yeah, there's there's been a lot of weird stuff around Alaska that people have talked about. That's just bizarrow. Now. I've never seen a UFO, so I can't say anything about that, but I do know people who have seen them, and they're they're real serious about it, and I believe them. I don't know if that's what you're asking about.

57:23 I'm sorry, No, that's that's exactly when you were up there. Did you ever run into any situations where people would say they heard like baby cries in the woods? God, Yes, yeah, the kushta Ka do that crap. According to the Clinkets, and the Height has said that their version of the kushta Ka does the same thing. It makes baby cries, and what it's trying to do is lure you into the woods. And when I say kushta Ka, I mean the shape shifting evil spirit. I don't mean Bigfoot. Some people think Bigfoot is Scoushtaka. But from what I've studied since I left Klok, the majority of Clanket people that i've talked to believe that it's an evil spirit, a shape shifter, not a Bigfoot, and so they said that they do that. And then I've heard reports from the lower forty eight of Bigfoot doing that and making that kind of sound and like trying to lure people into the forest, and if the people go and follow that, they disappear and nobody ever hears from them. Again. Now I have heard that. Yes, I've not personally heard the crying or anything like that, thank goodness, because that would scare the hell out of me.

58:50 But I've heard people say, people I know real well, people who aren't liars, say that they've heard that. I'm not sure how I would I would react to that either that I've thankfully never heard that. I've never really heard that come up in Iowa ever, but it's a possibility I could hear someday, but something that's come up. I've talked to a few individuals from Alaska since we last talked, when you were up there or you know, talking to people out there. Did stories of giants ever come up at all?

59:30 Yeah? Six toed giants. Yes, is that something you can elaborate on? Yes? Absolutely, all right, you pick people We're seeing them for years. They said that the giants hunted mammoths all the way up to the twenties. They said, these gigantic six toed things, and they were gigantic, but they're not exactly like Bigfoot from the and I've heard they're just they're like when I say giant, I don't mean like ten or twelve feet. We'll be back with more big Foot society after these words from our sponsors, I mean like a lot taller than that. And from what I was told by you pick Elder, they said that those things used to hunt mammoths.

1:00:30 Wow. Was that in the southeast or what a section of Alaska that was around like Barrel, Uncleat and some other places up there? Man, that is wild. Do you think there's still mammoth up there? I can't say there are, but I can tell you that my grandmother, who was upick, said that her mom claimed to have eaten mammoth and also had like ivory from dusks that were too large to be like walrus or something like that.

1:01:20 Wow. And for reference, for you know, I wasn't familiar myself. I had to look it up. But Barrow, Alaska is is if you imagine the very very top of Alaska. M that's where you're at. So imagine the farthest north you can get, and that's where you were having some uh, some mammoth sightings. That's crazy. Wow. They say they're they're they're still around. But I haven't heard anything in the last like twenty or thirty years, anything that was recent of anyone seeing a mammoth. But some people think that they're still around. They think those six toed giants, some of them that I've talked to, they think they're the ones that hunted the mammoths to extinction. Wow, that's where ilows to it. That's just what they said. I can't say it's true. I can only tell you what people have told me now, whether it's true or not. I ray Crow of the Western Bigfoot Society always used to say, when you hear reports, always keep your skepticals on. He called his classes as skepticals, and so I encourage readers, if you hear stories, be skeptical about it.

1:02:42 Check verify stuff like that as much as you humanly can. Or if you're just the type of person who finds it entertaining, you don't really care one way or the other. Just listen to it, enjoy it, and move on. Simple. Are there any uh? I'm sure it sounds like you've always been into bigfoot. I'm sure you're you're still looking into bigfoot right now? Is there anything going on right now regarding bigfoot research that really has uh, that has you uh interested? Or is keeping you up at night in any way? In Montana? Yeah, out around Glacier National Park area.

1:03:29 Okay, there's been some real crazy stories coming out of there, really, yeah, like people disappearing, people seeing Bigfoot, people seeing something else not a Bigfoot, something weird, maybe like a baboon or something almost but it has it almost looks like a baboon, I guess, like like a I think it's called a gugway maybe sometimes. I don't know if you've ever heard about that. That's really interesting. So are these from podcasts or where are you seeing these reports come? I've actually heard them from Native people who live here in Montana. Really oh wow. Now, I will tell you they are not people who are going to come forward with that kind of stuff because they don't want to lose their jobs. But they Yeah, I've heard stories from like my wife works for Actually, I probably better not say that.

1:04:33 Yeah, let's just say she works with the native community and the medical capacity and leader with that. I don't want to get her in trouble. We don't want that to happen or anything else. Yeah, I do know that I have personally, outside of her employment, met people who are grower Cheyenne because I was listening to a big foot show one time and I was up there on the res I was listening to a big Foot show and happ I have my windows down because it was hard and hades out there, and so I had my windows down and I was listening to Monster Quest on my phone, an old episode of Monster Quest. And one of the fellows heard me tell heard me listen to that, and he comes up. He goes, oh, do you believe in Bigfoot. I was like, yeah, I believe in Bigfoot. I don't believe in it. I know it's real.

1:05:26 And he goes, how do you know? And I told him why, I know because of my sighting when I was a boy. And he looked at me and he goes, you know, there's a lot of people out here on the reservation who've seen those things even now. And he was telling me all kinds of stories about it, and it's just so weird. Like they've had stories of like children getting snatched or women. They've had stories of, you know, people who were out hunting disappearing and never being heard from again and stuff like that. Do you remember anything, any details at all about what you heard regarding something that looked like a baboon in Glacier National Park that was around Glacier National Park. They said it was large, they said it had a tail, they said it had a snout like a baboon, and they said it had weird ears, and they didn't really describe it.

1:06:33 They just said it was weird, and they said it was real, powerfully built. But they said that the face of it looked like a baboon, not like a dog man or other things. They said it looked more like a baboon. And the person I spoke to actually was like wondering if it was like some kind of weird experiment from some government facility. And I was like, I have no idea. I've never heard anything like that, and I've heard of the dog man and stuff like that, but they said this didn't look like Because I was like, what was it like a wolf like a dog or something, and They're like, no, it looked like a baboon. It had a face like a baboon, but it was much larger than a baboon, like, you know, six feet six and a half feet tall, and they said it was more powerfully built than a baboon.

1:07:27 But they said the face looked just like like if you see a picture of a baboon, that's what the face and the snout looked like on it. And it had a tail like a baboon. Wow, So I don't think I don't think it was a dog man man. A regular sized baboon is a bad day, but you get a baboon that's stronger and bigger, that's going to be a really bad day. And I mean, if any listeners have heard of a large, huge, giant baboon type cryptid in the Glacier National Park area of Montana, put it in the comments, or if you need to, you can send me an email at Big for Society at gmail dot com. But did you, Alex, over the years, and you've had a lot of contact with different types of people, did you ever have any reports of dog man sightings at all? Yes, yep. I had a friend who was from Michigan and he was from that area up north of Detroit. I cannot remember what the name of that crazy town was he was from. I apologize, he told me once, and I just I cannot right now remember what the name of the town was. But they had like a dog man that was running around there killing animals like dogs and cats.

1:08:48 And they said it was definitely a canid type thing, but it was it had hands not like pause and they said it had like it had like see how do I put this look. I'll just tell you what they said. You can take it however you want. Sure, you know how canines have the kind of bent legs, you know what I mean, kind of weird back legs. They said it had legs like that, but it had like on the bottom of it instead of having like paws, it had like feet. But it had like a wolf tail, a wolf ears, and a wolf face and the snout that wolves have. But they said it looked like something that was like part human or something. And again, I can only tell you what they said. I can't tell you what's reality from fiction.

1:09:45 I do believe the person because when they talked about it, they again I said this before on previous programs when people have really seen something. You can see in their eyes the trauma of what they experience. And that person when he told me that story, he very much. He turned white. He was shaking. This is a really strong, tough guy, you know what I mean. He's not a cry baby, you're a fusser or whatever. He was really the strong, silent type. And this dude broke down and started crying when you reported what he saw. So for him to do that is very out of character for him. And so you know, he said, don't hate me or think I'm He said, don't think I'm Oh the ussy And I apologize. That's just what the man said. I'm not trying to be bad or disgusting. I apologize by thinking anybody, but that's what he said. He said, I don't want you thinking on that. I said, I've been knowing you for a while. Dude, I know you're not like that. So I said, I believe you, and he's like, you do. It's like when I told my f and family, they got all hurt, said I was a liar and making it up, and I was like, people say stuff like that because they don't want to try to think about or deal with in their mind what you're discussing with them, because it's so outside of the realm of what they understand, and so you

1:11:19 know, they react hatefully or negatively or or foolishly because their brains can't wrap around the concept that there's things outside of what they know that exist. I mean, if I had a dollar for every time somebody asked me if I saw a friggin bear or if it was a dude in the first suit, if I had a dollar for every time some dumb I'm sorry, I want to really curse when I hear people saying like that. It's like, look, the Bigfoot had a flat face, it didn't have the snout of a bear, didn't have the weird fur ears on top of the head, okay, and it didn't look like that. It had hands and feet not pause.

1:12:08 So you know, when people tell me it was a bear, it's like, I've seen every type of bear in North America. You can show me either on TV or in the zoo, or I've gone hunting and hunted them, so I know what a bear looks like. I'm not a person who's never seen a bear. I wasn't fifty or one hundred feet away from it saw something run by it. Oh, that's a bigfoot. I saw this thing from three and a half feet away. I saw exactly clearly what it was. When I told my grandpa what it was, he didn't say, oh, the damn bears are back, or the damn guys in first suits are back. He said, the damned apes are back. Yeah, So you know, people can make of that whatever they want. I really don't care. You know, if you want to be stupid and say I saw a bear, then you're a moron because you don't know. Bears have snouts, ears on top of the head, and pause off feet and hands.

1:13:02 So you know, if you can't tell the difference between that and a bake foot at three and a half feet, then you're a more on And you don't really need to be calm in pink. And I really doubt there's a massive eight foot guy in a suit running around in nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, you can miss probably idiots, Probably not. Yeah, Alex, this has been a fun episode because there's so many tangents we've been on that it will probably in a good way that listeners will definitely get something new to look into from this episode. It's been. It's been a fun one. It is always a fun time to chat with you, sir, and I appreciate you. It was coming on again. Anything else weird comes up, feel free to reach out. But thank you so much for hanging out tonight.

1:13:55 Alex. All right, Well, God bless and you take care of my friend too, sir. All right, bye bye. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one of you listening