Skinwalker Tales & Bigfoot Encounters

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He walks out the door and he
stops. Once he gets outside, he

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turns around and he looks at me, smiled, kind of did a little

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wave, and then turned into a
COYOTEA welcome to Bigfoot Society. In this

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episode, we welcome back Alex from
episode two forty two. This is time

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to talk about his many skinwalker encounters
over the years, and he also shares

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a harrowing encounter with a sasquatch in
Glacier National Park in Montana. What effect

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have these encounters had on Alex over
the years and what connection did we figure

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out that ties his skin walker encounters
to his time in Cloak, Alaska.

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Find out this and more on this
episode of Bigfoot Society. All Right,

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big Fociety, we got the privilege
of talking to Alex again. You may

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re remember him from a few episodes
back. We had talked to him about

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his time as a retired Salvation Army
pastor up in southeast Alaska, and the

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response to that episode was absolutely mind
blowing. I mean, it ended up

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going crazy viral on on TikTok and
a few other places, and people really

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enjoyed that discussion. But Alex had
reached out to me and again, and

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he had said, you know,
I've got some some thoughts for you regarding

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skinwalkers, which should be an interesting
discussion, and it does relate to Sasquatch

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as well a little bit too.
But Alex, how's it going today?

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Good? Very good? Thank you
for asking what we reminded you of the

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skin walker stories. Was it a
random thought in your head or was there

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something that came up that was like
I got talked to Jeremiah about this.

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You remember the last time we spoke. I believe I messaged you through TikTok

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and I talked to you about Brenda
Harris or the New Mexico shadow Seekers.

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Yes, okay, and you told
me that you'd dinner reviewed her a while

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ago. I got to thinking about
it and Sharon. Skinwalker stuff is really

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difficult for me because of the fact
that so many people take that as crazy

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talk, more so than Bigfoot,
and it can get into areas they are

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a little weird. Why do you
think it's taken as crazy talk, Alex,

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Well, I met I've met people
in academia. My wife was a

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nurse and I met a lot of
people who were in academia through that,

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and they take a rather dim view
of people, saying things like Bigfoot's and

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interdimensional travel Order a UFO not or
things like that, and if you try

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to talk to them about skinwalkers.
Most scientists that I've spoken to not all.

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There are some who are faith based
and they may have different takes on

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things, but the standard, every
day run of the mental scientists types are

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people who are evidence based and fact
based. They're not based. They don't

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take personal accounts as something to be
taken as credible. Does that make sense,

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Oh? Absolutely, yeah. Eye
witness testimony to them is just what

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it is, eye witness testimony,
and it's always viewed as highly suspect and

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it's usually not taken seriously by scientists. And one of the things that I've

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actually talked to people about who are
a lot of my others, not my

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mother, I mean my father's side
of the family are in the sciences.

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Like I have an uncle who's like
a nuclear physicist, you know what I

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mean. And he is all about
physics. He's all about science. He's

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all about facts, logic, reason, all of that, God, spirituality,

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all of that that that means nothing
to him or his colleagues. That

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I've actually spoken to you can talk
to him about that stuff, but he'll

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roll his eyes and look at you
like you just, you know, started,

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you know, talking in tongues or
something. You know, you might

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as well be babbling. It means
nothing to him, right if that makes

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sense, And a lot of him
probably feel the same way. And so

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the other reason I brought this up
to is because there's a lot of people

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out there who are always pushing the
big Foot is a you know, UFO,

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not an inner dimensional traveler, a
spirit. And I've known people who

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are very well intentioned. They may
have seen something absolutely and I take that

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as credible. I've met people who
I believe every bit that they saw what

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they saw. But what I'm trying
to explain is when they throw that stuff

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out there that mainstream scientists do not
take that credibly. They immediately roll their

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eyes in disregard everything that they say. And when you're trying to understand Bigfoot,

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you have to understand that even if
scientists do take a look at Bigfoot,

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that if you tell them that it's
a UFO or not an interdimensional traveler,

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that it can cloak that it can
do all these things unless you have

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specific, fact based evidence to back
that up. And I'm not talking videos

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or personal accounts. I'm talking about
you would have to summon this thing in

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front of a scientist, let him
see it, interview it and understand it,

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and record it, and do all
of that for him to him or

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her to believe it. And so
when people throw that stuff out there,

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it's unhelpful when we're trying to prove
things like Bigfoot. Yeah, I know

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in our own culture and Yupik culture
on my father's side, our elders taught

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us that Harryman was a fully biological
being that he eats, lives, breathes

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as children, gets old, and
dies just like the rest of us.

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And I'm a cook. Which are
the shape shifters. They're totally different.

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They've never been physical. They've never
been When I say physical, I don't

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mean that they can't take on a
physical form. I mean that they have

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never been human, Bigfoot or anything
else, although they can take on physical

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form. So when we confuse the
two and then say Bigfoot's a interdimensional traveler,

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for instance, scientists, as I
said just now, we'll roll their

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eyes and be like, that's load
of crap. I'm not even looking into

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Bigfoot and that's why we have such
a hard time getting any scientists look seriously

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at Bigfoot because of stuff like that. Gotcha. So to recap a little

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bit, so the term for Bigfoot
or sasquatch would be harryman. The term

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for skinwalker would be a'ma cook?
Is that correct? I mean, you

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pick yes, and you pick any
different cultures. In different cultures, they

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have different names for them. And
there's going to be a few people that

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remember you from the Alaska episode.
But what we're going to be talking about

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this time is not taking place in
southeast Alaska. What would be the geographic

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region that this would be more taking
place in the first one was in Littleton,

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Colorado, the second was on my
way back from Albuquerque, New Mexico

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to Farmington, New Mexico. And
the third one took place when we were

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driving back from Arizona. Or No, the second one took place when we

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were driving back from Arizona. The
third one took place when I was driving

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back from Albuquerque to Farmington. Perfect, So totally totally different geographic And did

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this take place before your time in
clock or was this afterwards or a mixture?

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It's a mixture, okay? Interesting? Interesting, all right, Well,

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i'd be very interested to see you
know, and I also think it's

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important to reinstate that we're not discrediting
these stories that we might hear about,

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you know, Bigfoot and UFOs like
you hear from the Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania.

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But your main point is if we're
going to get mainstream science to play

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nice with the Sasquatch and be able
to prove that we have to be careful

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what we are sending their way.
Curious to hear what you have to share,

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Alex, so I feel free to
go right ahead. Okay. The

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first incident that I had with what
I believed to be a skin walker was

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in two thousand and two. I
was living in Littleton, Colorado at the

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time. I worked at a Diamond
Shamrock gas station, which I believe it's

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now a Valero if it's even still
in business, but I know it had

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converted to Valero Energy Corporation some time
after I had gone on to work for

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a different company. And it's a
really weird night. It was a full

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moon outside, it was about nine
o'clock at night. I hadn't really had

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any customers coming in, and so
I was kind of doing my clean up.

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At the end of the night.
You get everything ready, you know,

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take down your machines that have like
drinks and stuff like that, you

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clean them, you know, you
sweep them off the floor, you do

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all that. So I'm in the
middle of that and I'm kind of focused

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on that, and then I hear
the door day because when you open the

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door there, it had a little
bell that went off so we'd know when

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people were in the building. And
so I look up. I come up

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front and I get behind the register
and I'm looking and I see this Native

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American man, probably I would say
about five eight five nine, maybe one

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hundred and forty one hundred and thirty
pounds, kind of kind of an elder.

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I can't really estimate what his age
would be exactly. But he came

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in and he just kind of came
up to the counter and he looked at

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me and he says, well,
he said, I need some loose leaf

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tobacco. And I'm like, okay, what kind do you want? And

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so he pointed out one of the
kinds on a shelf that we had behind

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me where we kept we kept our
cigarettes. Loo flew loose leaf tobacco and

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ch on a shelf that was behind
us so people could see what they wanted,

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and so I brought it up through
the counter. I rang it up

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and he was like. I was
like, that'll be like I think it

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was like three eighty nine at the
time, and he was like, well,

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I don't have any money. I'm
like okay, and he's like,

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can you help me out? And
I'm like, okay, sure, And

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so I did. I rang it
up for him. I paid for it,

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and I gave it to him as
God is my witness. He walks

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out the door and he stops.
Once he gets outside, he turns around

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and he looks at me, smiled, kind of did a little wave,

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and then turned into a coyote.
I don't mean that, like, I

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turned my eyes. I turned back, and a coyote ran up to the

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door. I was looking at him
the entire time. I did not take

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my eyes off of him. Number
One, because the guy scared the crap

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out of me. He radiated evil
spiritual power that I really just can't explain,

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and so he just morphed. That's
the only way I can say it.

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Because he shrunk down. He almost
looked like a shadow sort of for

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a second, and then he morphed, and then he reappeared as a coyote

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standing where the man was standing,
and he kind of let out a little

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yip and then turned around and ran
off. That scared the crap out of

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me. And so I had a
friend who was a Navajo, and I

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asked him about it a few days
later, and he told me he felt

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also that that was a skin walker. And he said that I'm going to

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tell you what he said. I'm
not Navajo. I do not speak for

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the Navajo. I'm not in any
way connected to the Navajo. I'm just

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going to tell you what the man
told me. You can take that,

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believe it, or dispute it,
but you would have to really dispute it

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with him. I can only tell
you what he told me. He said

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that skin walkers are people who make
evil bargains with power, spiritual power,

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and then they gained the ability to
shape shift or some evil spirits to shape

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shift and do things for them.
And he said that's what he thought it

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was. And he said these people
can literally change shape at will. And

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he said they can also summon spirits
to do things for them. Again,

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I don't fully understand it. I
may be explaining it wrong. Any errors

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that I make in explaining it are
mine, probably because he laid a whole

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mass of concepts on me that I
really and truly do not understand. I

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come from a Judeo Christian background and
all that. I had no experience with

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that. But everything he told me
lined up with the experience I had,

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so we both concluded that was a
skin walker. Whether it was or not,

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I don't know. I can only
tell you what it did, what

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I saw, and how I felt
about it. Man, I got some

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questions for you, Alex about that. That's incredible. How do you know?

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You said yourself, you've got that
Judeo Christian background. What do you

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line that up with in your worldview? Then? Like? How does that

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make sense to you what you saw? I'm curious other m, I believe

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that the Bible doesn't explain everything.
I'm not saying that the Bible's wrong or

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in any way incorrect. So I
don't want to get the Christians after me

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and start having them trip out on
me and lose their minds. I'm not

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saying anything like that. What I'm
saying is not everything is in the Bible.

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The reason I say that is I
saw big flood. Now there are

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giants mentioned in the Bible, the
nepheline, but this is just my understanding.

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They all perished in Noah's flood.
Now there were giants mentioned afterward in

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the Bible which were also called Nepheline, like Goliath, like the Anakhem,

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the sons of Anak or Anac,
I should say, they're mentioned in the

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Bible as giants, But these were
people. They were not large, hairy

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people that you know, lived wild
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They were people. They could propagate, they could have children, and the

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children weren't hairy monsters. So I
think that we should not confuse the two.

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So I think that I just think
that these things are outside of the

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realm of Christianity and what it can
explain with whatever history and whatever knowledge we've

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gained through that, And so when
I look into that stuff and I look

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at it, I just figure we
don't know everything. We don't know what's

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really out there. We can only
see what we see and try to make

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sense of it as best we can, if that makes any sense. Absolutely,

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when the gentleman turned from himself to
you, said a darkish cloud and

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then to a coyote. Was it
a normal size coyote? Like, if

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you had seen this coyote on the
side of the road, you wouldn't have

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ticketness. Second, look, it's
just a normal looking coyote, absolutely normal.

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I mean, if you saw this
thing running around, you would not

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know it wasn't a normal coyote.
It looked like a real coyote. It

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wasn't overly large or overly small.
Coyotes themselves are fairly small, unless they're

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like inner bread with another species of
dog or wolf or some other kind of

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canine to make them larger, but
they generally are fairly small. And that's

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about what he was. He was
about the size of a small dog.

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And by small, I don't mean
like Chihuahua or a Corgi or something like

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that. Actually, I'd probably say
like a medium sized dog, maybe kind

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of like an Australian shepherd about that
size. That's about how big he was.

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But he had the coat of a
coyote, was kind of a tannish

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brownish coat, and he had weird, weird yellow eyes. Oh really,

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yeah, they kind of had a
little bit of a glow to him.

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Now, if you saw his eyes, that's the thing that the Navajo told

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me. They said that they always
have glowing eyes. They described them as

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red eyes. But the glowing eyes
I saw were kind of a I don't

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know, maybe yellow or orange.
Maybe he turned and ran off. When

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he came in, his eyes didn't
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I forgot to mention. Do you
he did not appear on the video camera

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at all. It's kind of a
big deal. Yeah, he did not

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appear on the video camera at all. I looked for him and it looked

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like I was talking to somebody who
wasn't there. My manager didn't believe me.

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So you have there. There was
video camera footage of you talking to

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something that wasn't there, taking the
loose leaf tobacco off the shelf, and

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I mean, that's just that's incredible, man. And no, it's not

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still out there, So if anybody
wants to go find it, good luck.

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I don't even think that place is
still in business. I don't even

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think the footage. Yeah, that's
not going to happen, guys, So

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don't call Jeremiah and ask him where's
the video to prove it. I don't

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have it. Yeah, just all
on the truth. If people want to

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believe what I say, that's fine. If they want to disbelieve it,

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that's also fine. I don't care. I'm not here to prove anything.

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What would have happened? Do you
think if you had refused the gentlemen,

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the free loose leaf tobacco. I
think he would have cursed me, is

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what I think. And I think
I would have had a skin walker coming

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to my house to terrorize and or
kill me. The Navajo gentleman I spoke

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to he was kind of one of
their medicine men. He said, the

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skin walkers are nothing to play around
with. He said, if you offend

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them, they'll send evil spirits to
hunt, and that's their bargain with whatever

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their evil power is. However,
you want to interpret that as Satan,

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as you know, some other god
or goddess, I don't know. I

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know in Hinduism they have Kali.
They caught us of death and rebirth.

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Did you have trouble getting to sleep
after that encounter? I did not sleep

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for a week after that, properly. I had nightmares about it. I

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kept seeing the eyes on that thing, the glowing eyes. I kept seeing

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that in my dreams. Sometimes I
don't know, Oh, I don't even

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know if I should tell you this. Sometimes I could see weird glowing eyes

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looking at my window. I know
you probably think I'm nuts as hell and

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bow your listeners too, but I
swear to you. And my house was

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on the third floor and I saw
blowing eyes looking in my window. What

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that is or was, I don't
know, but it was the same type

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eyes that coyote hit. And all
I can tell you is I thank God

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every day that I just gave him
the tobacco and didn't give him any fuss.

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You know, sometimes sometimes you just
got that feeling and you just know

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that what you need to do in
a certain situation. And I think you

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know what I'm talking about, and
I'm glad. You're glad that you listened

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to that for sure, And after
four years of doing this, I don't

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discount anything anymore, So don't worry
about it. One thing I will tell

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you about Navajo is unless you like, really know them, they don't really

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share a lot of information with you. And that's not all Navajos, but

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like on their most sacred stuff,
they don't really talk about it. He

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told me about the skinwalker because I
had seen one and he believed I saw

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one, and he told me some
things to protect myself and to you know,

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word that would that oft to make
sure it didn't like, you know,

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come around me. Why do you
think he believed that you saw one?

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He said, it was in my
eyes. That was That was literally

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what he said. I can't I
can't give you any other explanation. He

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said, when somebody lies to me, I can see it in their eyes.

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He said. The stuff that I
told him isn't stuff to some random

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dude could make up unless he'd actually
student something. When you experienced this,

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this skin walker encounter in Lyttleton,
did you feel a certain way at all

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when it was happening? Apprehensive,
scared, confused, scared? Yeah,

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he radiated evil energy. Have you
ever read like it seemed like movies like

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The Exorcist and stuff like that more
or less those are those are basically comedies

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to me, they're not real or
based in reality. But real possessions and

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exorcisms are nothing like they are on
that movie. And I've talked to enough

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people to know that that that is
true. Have you ever met somebody that

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you just didn't like for some reason? You can't put your finger on it.

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You don't know why. They may
not have done anything or said anything.

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They may look like really nice people
on the outside, but you instinctively

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and instantly don't trust them. Have
you ever felt somebody like that before you

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even saw the person, looked at
them in the face, you knew.

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What I'm saying is as I saw
him that he had, I felt he

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had evil. In Kent, Okay, I have experienced something like that.

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It's very weird experience. It's hard
to explain. Well, it's like it's

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like my one of my aunties,
she was hitchhiking from Oregon to Washington and

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she actually encountered the Green River Killer
that I think his name was Gary Ridgeway

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or something like that. She actually
met that guy and got away from him.

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And it's like when she saw him
get arrested on TV, she was

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like, that's the guy. That's
him, that's the guy who tried to

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get me in. I was like, oh shit, I'm sorry, I

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didn't mean to curse. Oh you're
you're kid. Sorry, No, don't

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worry about it. So it was
like a Ted Bundy type dude that she

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ran into. Yeah, basically,
yam glad she got out of that situation.

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For real. But the way that
she described how she felt when she

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saw him is the same way that
I felt when I saw this man that

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I just instinctively knew there was something
wrong with him, you know what I

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mean. It's almost like it's just
it's really hard to explain other than the

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fact that you just know that they
are not right. Something about them is

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off, I don't know, very
interesting, and it almost activates a fight

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or flight response. Maybe I don't
know. It did for me in my

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situation, I was ready to take
the dude out. But that's all I'm

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going to say about that one.
You know, I hear you, I

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hear you. I didn't want to
mess with this guy because he represented to

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me something that I felt in my
I guess you could say my soul.

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I just wanted to leave this guy
alone and get him out the door as

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quick as I could and say it
like that. And I had no intention

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of trying to fight with that guy. He did not look like somebody you

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would want to try that with,
even though he was an older and elder

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and a little guy. I can
tell you that I've had enough fights to

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tell you that I've gotten my butt
whoop by smaller guys. Many times,

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some of the worst butt whoopings I've
ever got were from guys who were probably

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five six, five five, maybe
one thirty one forty kind of so I

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just instinctively knew, leave this guy
alone, yaps. That's all I can

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tell you. Yeah, you don't
want to mess with a gentleman that can

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turn into coote. Yeah, because
I'm telling you right now that that one.

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I still sometimes like if I'm on
watching TV or something that somebody mentions

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its skin walker or something like that
on a paranormal show or something, I

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still kind of hark back to that. It's still I can't fully wrap my

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mind around it. I know what
I saw, I know what I experienced,

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I know how it felt, but
I still can't understand where to place

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a skinwalker in my world. All
I can say is I'll just leave it

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alone, and as long as they
don't mess with me, I won't mess

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with them. Sure, I've got
a weird question that just came into my

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mind. In your culture, have
there ever been situations where the hairy Man

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and the Ama cook have actually interacted? Absolutely? Really? Yes? Is

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that anything you can share? No? Okay, fair enough, I was

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just yeah, no problem, We'll
leave it at that. Would you be

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able to share your second story,
Alex, Yes, okay, the second

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one was just weird, real weird. Almost not quite as weird as me

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talking to the guy who turned into
a kyote, but it was still weird.

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It might have been less weird because
we were driving than it was seeing

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this guy physically in the store and
being like two feet away from him.

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You know. So anyway, we're
coming back from Arizona. We've been we

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went down to Phoenix. I have
medical issues. I'm on oxygen and other

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stuff, and we'd gone down to
Phoenix to see a specialist, and so

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we were driving back home. It
had gotten lake because we'd stayed afterward.

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We did some shopping, and we
did some other stuff in Albuquerque. They're

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not in Albuquerque. In Phoenix,
excuse me. And we're driving along on

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this lonely structural highway in the Navajo
Nation, and I'm driving down the road

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and I see this, this guy
standing on the side of the road.

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I can only say that he looked
like he was dressed in the army,

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but he had no face. He
was handing up but I did not see

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a face when I went by,
and I was just like and I asked

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my wife. I was like,
did you see that? She was like,

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nah, I didn't see nothing.
And I was like, come on,

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you're not playing with me, right, She's like, no, I

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didn't see anything. And so as
we passed it, it moreh from a

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guy in army dress. And I
don't mean Salvation army, I mean like

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US army. He had on like
camos camouflage that stuff they were I don't

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know what all that crap is.
I was never in the military, so

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I don't know anything about that.
I know that some people have referred to

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them as possibly be to us,
whatever that means. That's what it looked

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like to me. And he had
no face, and then as we passed

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him, he turned into a shadow
and disappeared again. I talked to a

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Yaga Chay and I'm a whole holy
person, and the Yaga Chase said that

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they thought again it was a skinwalker. I don't believe it was the same

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one I saw years ago, but
you never know. That is very interesting

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as well. You said it turned
into like a darkness or a shadow.

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Yes, is it similar to the
same way that the first Gentleman and Lyttleton

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turned into a shadow, shadowy darkness
before turning into coyote or was it different?

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It was similar but different because when
it turned into a shadow, it

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just faded out instead of morphing into
something physical like a coyote or a bird

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or whatever, it just turned into
like almost like if you take a shadow

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and you like put a light on
it, it just kind of disappears,

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you know. It was kind of
like that, but there was no light

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on it, and it was just
there was no light coming from it or

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anything like that. It just became
one with the darkness outside. I don't

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I don't know how to put that. And then I couldn't see anything.

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And you saw this happen like in
your rear view mirror. It sounded like

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as I was passing, okay,
I had slowed down because I thought it

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was weird that a guy was standing
out on the side of the road,

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and I thought maybe maybe they needed
help. But when I saw the guy

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had no face af that I'm out
of there. I don't give a crap

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about nothing. You know, you
look out there and you see a guy

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standing there who has no face.
If you're unless you're crazy, I'm not

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about that life, not about that
life. I don't mess with that crap,

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you know what I'm saying. I'm
not a double slayer or any of

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that. Yeah, I was out
of there, everybody. I wasn't having

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none of that. Could you see? So imagine I'm imagining, you know,

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you've got a figure in fatigues or
bdu no face. Was there still

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something in the area of the head
or was it just like the hat?

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Really it had on a military hat, you know, like in the army

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they have those uh camouflage the hats
they were. Don't ask me to explain

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what it is. I'm not again, I was never in the military.

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You'd probably have to have a military
common person comment on their uniforms, right,

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and it might not even been any
type of military. I'm just saying

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that when I've seen soldiers like in
different places, that's what they look like.

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So I don't know, you know, I could. I could almost

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explain a way that no face thing, But it's the disappearing thing that really

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gets me. Alex. That's just
the part where it's it'd be hard to

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explain that away. You know.
That's that's very very interesting. U Are

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you very familiar with that area or
just area you go randomly too for your

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medical procedures. Um, I didn't
go that way again, Okay, I'll

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be honest. I made sure to
avoid that area. Yeah, sure,

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I'm not a fool. I don't
know. I'm not the type. I'm

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not the type of guy who's going
to go back and mess with something like

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that bigfoot. Maybe I might go
back to places I visited, but go

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spirits, demons, that crap.
Not about that life, and I'll mess

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with that. Wow, I'll put
some mountain ash around my property, some

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salt and some other stuff, and
you know that's supposed to keep them up

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because they can't cry. It's a
line of mountain ash. I guess according

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to the Navajo that I've spoken to, and I know for my own religious

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training, that BLUs salt can keep
out spirits. So whether that works or

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not, I don't know. I
can only tell you what I did.

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If somebody tells me to do something
that says it'll keep stuff like that way,

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I'm all about that life. Sure, it keeps going weirdness and high

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strangeness out. I'm with that.
Did anything that you've experienced in these skin

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walker stories? Were there and you
know, sometimes in our lives, they'll

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be weird connections where something will happen
to me at a certain point in life,

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and then later on there'll be a
weird connection that comes from it.

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Was there anything that happened out of
these skin walker encounters that affected your stay

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in Klook or Southeast Alaska at all, Any weird connections that came up?

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Yeah, kind of, Okay.
The thing, the thing that connects all

407
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:17.320
of that is like that the legend
in the clinket culture of the Cushtaka.

408
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.559
Because I heard a lot of stories
about those. Now I didn't see one

409
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.480
on Prince of Wales, thank god, because I'm telling you right now,

410
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:29.760
if I saw something like that,
I'm out of there. I don't give

411
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.559
a crap about nothing. I quit. I'm done. I'm leaving, not

412
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:39.239
about that life. But when they
talked about cushtaka and stuff like that,

413
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:45.760
it kind of everything that they said
rang true with what the Navajos teach.

414
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:52.039
And then I found out later that
Navajos and Clinkets are related because they're Athabaskans.

415
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.800
So that's a weird connection right there. I never really thought about that.

416
00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:00.639
That is a really good question,
Jeremiah. I never really thought about

417
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:07.920
that. The connection is all the
time I saw a skinwalker, I knew

418
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:15.519
someone who was Navajo, ZOONI hopie, whatever. But the only common denominator

419
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:23.480
is a Navahos, and the Clinkets
are related to the Navajos through the Athabaskans.

420
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.400
I never thought about that. I
never made that connection until you just

421
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.119
said in a whow So you just
taught me something. That's why I told

422
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.880
you after our first interview that you're
thoughtful and insightful. Questions made me think

423
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:44.440
about things. Well. I never
made that connection. The connection was that

424
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:52.199
Navajo and Clinkets are related. That's
awesome. I'm glad. I'm glad I

425
00:38:52.239 --> 00:39:00.000
could help like that. That's that's
crazy that I never made that connection.

426
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.000
And Jeremiah, I promise you in
my mind that just didn't click until you

427
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:08.440
just asked me that question and then
asked me about Plock. I never thought

428
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:14.440
about that because they actually did tell
me. The Clinkets and Navahos both told

429
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.639
me that they're relatives. And I
know that when the Navajos speak and they

430
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:24.880
say certain words, it sounds like
Clinkett and when Clinkett stock or when I

431
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.639
had a friend who was Clinkett,
who used to go to New Mexico because

432
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:32.320
her son had married a Navajo woman. And she went down there and she

433
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.320
said, I can understand about a
quarter and a half of what they were

434
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.239
saying to me, because she said, it's a lot like Clinkett. And

435
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:45.199
I've had Navahos say that they can, you know, kind of understand where

436
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:50.360
the clinkets are. That's so weird. I never thought about that, man.

437
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.559
That is absolutely crazy that I never
made that connection. I'm sorry.

438
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:57.360
I don't even go on about it. That just literally blows my mind.

439
00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.039
Oh you're good. That's how it's
connected. That might be why I came

440
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:06.079
to the clinkets to try to understand
what happened. I don't, Oh my

441
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.639
God, make sure God's spirituality.
All of that is so freaking weird.

442
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:14.760
I am literally mind born right now. Dude. I can't even think.

443
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.280
Well, it's all connected somehow,
right, and you just got to find

444
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.679
the weird little threads that connected.
So I'm glad I could help your connection

445
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.960
stuff. Yeah, no problem,
man, thank you. If you hadn't

446
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.760
asked me that, I never would
have made that connection. There you go.

447
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:38.000
Wow, I could have had to
be eight so Alex, I actually

448
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:43.039
get that joke. I'm old enough
to get it. Unfortunately, UM,

449
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:50.280
so you've had we've talked about two
out of three. There's also a third

450
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.760
experience that happened as well. Would
you be able to share that? Yes,

451
00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:00.559
I can. Um. I was
coming back from Albuquerque again for medical

452
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:07.480
stuff. Farmington has medical and stuff
like that, but they don't have a

453
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:15.280
lot of specialists. I have secondary
pulmonary hypertension, and that basically is high

454
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.480
blood pressure in my lungs and I
have to be on oxygen because of that.

455
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:27.000
Twenty four seven six leaders five to
six leaders twenty four seven, and

456
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.239
so I have to I had to
go down to Albuquerque to see a specialist

457
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:37.079
who specialized in pulmonary hypertension so they
could treat me for it. And you

458
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.480
know, I had to go down
there and they were adjusting my sleep at

459
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:44.960
in new machine and stuff like that
when I went down there, and they

460
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.199
got me a better mask and stuff
like that. And so anyway, we

461
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:54.360
stayed down or not we, I
should say him because my wife wasn't with

462
00:41:54.400 --> 00:42:02.800
me. She had to work,
so she had to stay home. We

463
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:08.000
were coming home. It's probably about
eight o'clock or I was coming home.

464
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.679
I don't know why I keep saying
we that's so goofy. I'm sorry.

465
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:17.559
Maybe because I'm still mind blown by
waiting. I'm sorry, I'm still that.

466
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:23.320
I'm sorry. Anyway, I'm going
home and we're going on. I'm

467
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:30.840
going up the highway. The reason
I think I'm saying weird is because when

468
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.159
I get off this phone, Buddy, I'm telling my wife what you what

469
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.840
you helped me to realize because that
that literally is going to freak her out.

470
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:44.280
Anyway. So I'm going home.
Um. I look, I'm about

471
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:50.280
halfway from Albuquerque to Farmington, and
again, I'm passing through the Navajo Nation,

472
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.840
and I see on the right side
of the road a huge, freaking

473
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:02.280
dire wolf. If you've ever seen
in school books like an artist's rendition of

474
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.000
what a dire wolf might have looked
like, that's what I saw. That

475
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:15.079
thing was freaking huge. I'm doing
about seventy miles an hour, and that

476
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:28.840
thing is running faster than my car
and I'm driving by it. I can

477
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:36.960
see it's back, I can see
its legs. This thing it was all

478
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:46.519
black, Harry, the hair was
black. It's running along. I can

479
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:52.000
see it in my head lights.
But it doesn't cast a shadow. That's

480
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.519
what I thought was weird, is
if you put a light on something and

481
00:43:55.639 --> 00:44:01.599
it is biological, it will have
a shadow that did not have a shadow.

482
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:10.400
And it's running parallel to me and
then ahead of me, and I'm

483
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:21.159
just kind of freaked out, um, just like tripping. And then it

484
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:29.679
turns into like what looked like almost
like a bat, but it wasn't like

485
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.360
a bat bat, you know what
I mean, like a real biological bat.

486
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.920
Like it had the outline of a
bat and the head of a bat,

487
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:45.480
but it was huge. And then
it flew off over the over the

488
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:57.559
hilltop and I lost sight of it. That's that's pretty intense. When it

489
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.920
was running parallel to you, how
high up on the car would you say

490
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:08.800
the creature's head would be? Like? How high off the ground did this

491
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:21.239
thing you think? If I were
to guess my car and I only know

492
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:30.119
this because we've measured, it is
five feet and from well, I shouldn't

493
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:35.360
say five feet if you if you
take the let me let me think about

494
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:40.519
this, Okay, my car would
probably be about about five and a half

495
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:46.599
six feet. I think this thing
was taller than my vehicle. Wow,

496
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:52.559
that would probably put it in the
seven to eight foot range. Again,

497
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.199
it was massive, and it looked
just like the drawings I'd seen of dire

498
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:04.079
wolves. I watched show about them
years ago, and it was it was

499
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:08.880
like it was talking about, like, you know, ancient creatures like the

500
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:15.800
wooly mammoth, dire wolves, dire
bears, short faced bears, whatever you

501
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.320
call them. It was talking about
all that. And they did an artist's

502
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.800
rendition of what a dire wolf would
look like based on the skeleton. It

503
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:28.960
looked exactly like drawing. I saw
what the hell that would be doing and

504
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.440
why it turned into a bat.
The only thing I can explain is it

505
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:37.400
was a skin walker. Again,
I asked an Abiho holy person about it,

506
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:42.519
and they also agreed that it was
most likely a skin walker because they

507
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.920
said, if it turned into a
bat and stuff like that and flew off,

508
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:51.039
that's a skin walker, that's a
shape shifter. So again, I

509
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.559
can only tell you what I saw. I can't tell you what the hell

510
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:59.480
it was. Oh sure? Was
it running on all fours or on two

511
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:06.800
legs? It was running on all
fours? Okay, wow, how how

512
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.679
are how wide? Would you say? If you could say wingspan? How

513
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:20.119
big a wingspan did this bad type
creature have once it turned into a bat

514
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:27.480
any idea I'd have to estimate,
and this is only a guess. I

515
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:37.320
would say twenty feet man, and
I've talked to Navajos about it, and

516
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:44.000
a skinwalker isn't limited on how big
it can get. Ill they can be

517
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:51.159
the size of a micro microbe or
they can be like gigantic stature that they're

518
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:54.840
not limited like we are. But
I would have to say it was at

519
00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.679
least twenty feet. That thing was
freaking huge and not limited to any specific

520
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:07.760
creature. It sounds like either right
from what I've understood from different tribes of

521
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:13.719
the Alma cook I know in musick
and turn into anything. They can literally

522
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:27.679
turn into anything fascinating. It's very
I think it was very important to share

523
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:39.079
these encounters and then for people to
realize was there ever a point where there

524
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:47.320
were any you seen, any like
floating orbs or anything like that involved.

525
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:54.400
Yeah. Yes, the second one, the guy I saw, the one

526
00:48:54.440 --> 00:49:00.079
who looked like he was in the
army. When he disappeared, some moors

527
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:08.000
appeared in the area where he was
as I passed by and then flew off.

528
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.760
I forgot about that. Thank you
for reminding me. No problem,

529
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.119
I'm not trying to do that.
It's just sometimes when you talk about this

530
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:20.079
stuff, you forget little details unless
some back. But yeah, no,

531
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:25.000
I didn't see orbs with that.
I I just when you had sent me

532
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:30.559
over an outline of your encounters,
I just was like, man, that's

533
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:35.599
a very interesting detail, because that's
a detail that you hear a lot a

534
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:43.760
lot of people bring up in bigfoot
sightings where there's usually orbs involved in some

535
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.679
way, and it's just very very
interesting. Would you how big would you

536
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:54.639
see? Say, those orbs are
that you saw about the size of a

537
00:49:54.719 --> 00:50:02.199
fist? Okay, any particular color
there? They were all colors, like

538
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:10.880
all the colors literally all the colors. Really interesting. M wow. It

539
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:17.480
disappeared. And then just a few
maybe two or three year or there a

540
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:24.440
whole bunch of them floating around.
There was there was I don't know,

541
00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:29.960
I'd have to guess about twenty maybe
thirty. There was a bunch of them,

542
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.079
and there wasn't fireflies or anything like
that. If somebody wants to try

543
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:38.239
to explain that away as a firefly, fireflies aren't as big as my fist.

544
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.239
It's not that I've heard that's that's
a good point. I could see

545
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:45.320
someone bringing that up. But I
mean, yeah, fireflies. If they're

546
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:50.239
getting that big, then we've got
other issues. When we had started our

547
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:58.039
first interview, you have mentioned a
little bit about there are some bigfoot sightings

548
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:02.960
in Montana or big foot encounters.
Is that anything that you can share.

549
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:10.320
I spoke to a gentleman. He
was what I was doing was I was

550
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:19.480
listening to my friend Miguel, he
runs the Sasquatch theory on YouTube page.

551
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:23.719
Oh that's right, yeah man,
he I was listening to that and I

552
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:28.920
had my callinder down because it was
hot outside. And this guy heard that

553
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.920
and he was like, he was
like, do you believe in that kind

554
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:40.159
of stuff? I said, yeah, it's like he was like he thought

555
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:43.639
about it for a second, and
he was like, I could tell he

556
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.239
was mulling over in his head.
Should he tell me about it? And

557
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:52.440
he was like, well, he
said, I might think they're real too,

558
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:59.679
And I said, okay, why
And he said that he was out

559
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:06.000
at Glacier National Park in Montana and
he said that he was out there doing

560
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:13.280
some hiking and he said he encountered
what looked like a gigantic black gorilla,

561
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:16.719
is how he described it. He
said it had a face like a gorilla.

562
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.000
He said it had like dark skin. He said it size or black

563
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:32.760
and kind of almond shaped. And
he said that it was probably about seven

564
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.679
seven and a half feet paul.
And he said it was probably about three

565
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.400
to four feet at the shoulders.
And he said it was massive, and

566
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:46.800
he said his muscles were really thick
and heavy. The one detail he gave

567
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:52.119
me which I really thought was weird, he said that the jaw on it

568
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:57.239
was askew, And I said,
what do you mean. He said it

569
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:02.199
looked like like it had been damaged
some how and not healed properly. And

570
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.800
I was like, that's kind of
an odd detail for somebody to make up,

571
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:09.480
you know what I mean, Because
sometimes you're a random dude saying this

572
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:14.760
or that, and you're like,
but when I looked at this guy in

573
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:19.840
the eye, he did not look
like he was lying to me. If

574
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.480
he was lying, I think the
guy should be in Hollywood. And some

575
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:29.119
of his weird details about it were, I mean, you're telling me he

576
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:32.559
saw a big foot and then you
tell me it's jaws a skew like it's

577
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:38.280
hanging a little bit to the side. He said the mouth was closed,

578
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:45.400
but he said that the jaw was
out of place. And I said,

579
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.599
did it look like a recent injury, an older injury. He said,

580
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:51.679
no, it was an older injury. It looked like it had healed up,

581
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:55.119
but he said the jaw was out
of place. And I was sitting

582
00:53:55.119 --> 00:54:00.760
there thinking, Jesus, what could
make the jaw of a big foot break

583
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:07.000
like that? Maybe a bigger bigfoot, who knows, Maybe I don't know,

584
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:12.199
I don't know. But he said
that he thought that was really weird,

585
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:16.920
he said. And he said it
was really thick and muscle, and

586
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.000
he said it scared him so bad
he pooped himself, is what he said.

587
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:27.800
And that's not a detail somebody would
share if they didn't really that didn't

588
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.559
really happen to them, because that's
really embarrassing. I mean, if you

589
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:36.000
defecate or urinate on yourself after you
see a big foot, you're not going

590
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.960
to go telling people to detail like
that unless you're like a masochist or something,

591
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:45.000
because you know people are going to
be talking garbage about you. But

592
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.639
he just right out with it,
and I was like, that's crazy.

593
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.039
But he said it was all black, the hair, and he said the

594
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:57.480
skin he could see on the face. He said the ears were really small

595
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:07.280
and kind of weirdly shaped. And
he just said that the eyes were black

596
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:13.639
and were almond shaped. And he
said it had a domed head like a

597
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:21.440
mountain is how he described it.
And he just came out with it.

598
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:23.000
I said, have you ever told
him nobody that? He said no,

599
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:28.960
He's like, because I don't want
people thinking I'm crazy. I said.

600
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.639
I looked at him and I was
like, I totally totally feel you.

601
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:37.960
And then I told him about my
childhood bigfoot experience and he was like,

602
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.519
that's crazy. You saw an albino. I was like, yeah, he

603
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:42.639
goes, I think if I ever
saw an albino, I might have just

604
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:45.639
had a heart attack or a stroke. I was like, I don't know.

605
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:50.920
If I saw a gigantic bigfoot and
it was in the forest somewhere and

606
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:52.639
it was writing, you know,
like a few feet away from me,

607
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:57.559
and I had no protection and nothing
between me and it, I said,

608
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:00.559
I might have gave up the ghost. So you know, it's just that

609
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.320
was weird. And then I've heard
other stories, but they were all,

610
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:09.800
you know, just secondhand stuff,
and I don't like sharing that because that's

611
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not to me reliable because if you
if you take people in the cine them

612
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.119
in a circle and you tell the
story here, by the time he gets

613
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:23.239
back to you, it's totally different. So it's when it's secondhand stuff,

614
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:30.280
I don't I don't take that as
necessarily credible. And unless I'm able to

615
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:35.800
interview the person that it directly happened, to see their face, see their

616
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:39.639
reactions, and see if I think
they're being truthful or not, and it

617
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:46.159
sounds like to that gentleman's face it
we're able to look into his eyes.

618
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:52.199
When he was telling the story,
he started crying, Wow. Yeah,

619
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:58.320
whatever he saw it scared him so
bad that even he said he saw it

620
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:02.440
in like nineteen ninety seven, he
said, even now, he said,

621
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:06.719
I can't go in the woods,
I can't hunt, I can't hike,

622
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.960
I can't fish. He said,
seeing that thing messed him up bad.

623
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:20.559
He said that like if he's driving
near a forest or something, he says

624
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:27.159
he has panic attacks. And he
said it. He said, after he

625
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:30.280
saw it, it made him sick
after that, And that's that's the one

626
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:35.519
thing I forgot to tell you that
third one I saw that turned into a

627
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.159
bat after I saw that, I
was sick for like a week. That's

628
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:45.039
right, I forgot that. Yeah, I forgot about again. A weird

629
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:50.400
connection. There you go. And
um, going back to that third encounter

630
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.599
of the first thank you for sharing
that, that story that Gentleman's share with

631
00:57:54.760 --> 00:58:00.239
that was amazing that your third encounter. So what kind of sickness were you

632
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:07.840
dealing with after you experienced the dire
wolf back creature? I had, I

633
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:13.719
had fever, I was coughing,
and I felt completely drained of energy.

634
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:16.880
How can I not remember that stuff? I yeah, I must have been

635
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:20.960
really thrown off by that question you
told me. I am so sorry,

636
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:28.679
you know, I apologize that.
Really, I'm still I'm still spinning that

637
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:34.719
around in my head. I apologize. But yeah, I was sick for

638
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.559
like a week after that, and
it was like I was coughing, I

639
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:43.840
felt like completely drained of energy.
I felt like like I just I couldn't

640
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.320
even get out of bed. Man. I was just I was sick as

641
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:52.920
a dog. Wow. Is that
a common occurrence when people sometimes when people

642
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.679
have run ins with skinwalkers, that
they'll become sick like that? Or was

643
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.559
that a pretty unique thing. I
think the first two I saw it didn't

644
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:06.440
affect me like that scared the crap
out of me and gave me nightmares,

645
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.480
Yeah, but not like made me
sick. That third one made me sick.

646
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:14.360
So I don't know. Maybe it
was mad it saw me and it

647
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:21.559
cursed me. Interesting. The first
guy, I gave him the tobacco he

648
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.000
wanted, so he didn't curse me. The second guy, I just go

649
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:28.840
right past him, so right,
hopefully you didn't curse me, you know.

650
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:34.199
But no, that third one it
was bad. I mean by the

651
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.880
time I got home, man,
I was sick. Wow. Well,

652
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:42.320
Alex, thank you so much for
coming on again. This has been just

653
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:52.039
a really insightful conversation about skinwalkers with
some interesting insights about sasquatch as well.

654
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:57.360
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656
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657
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658
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659
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660
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661
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662
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:43.519
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