Skinwalker Tales & Bigfoot Encounters

0:00 He walks out the door and he stops. Once he gets outside, he turns around and he looks at me, smiled, kind of did a little wave, and then turned into a COYOTEA welcome to Bigfoot Society. In this episode, we welcome back Alex from episode two forty two. This is time to talk about his many skinwalker encounters over the years, and he also shares a harrowing encounter with a sasquatch in Glacier National Park in Montana. What effect have these encounters had on Alex over the years and what connection did we figure out that ties his skin walker encounters to his time in Cloak, Alaska.

0:50 Find out this and more on this episode of Bigfoot Society. All Right, big Fociety, we got the privilege of talking to Alex again. You may re remember him from a few episodes back. We had talked to him about his time as a retired Salvation Army pastor up in southeast Alaska, and the response to that episode was absolutely mind blowing. I mean, it ended up going crazy viral on on TikTok and a few other places, and people really enjoyed that discussion. But Alex had reached out to me and again, and he had said, you know, I've got some some thoughts for you regarding skinwalkers, which should be an interesting discussion, and it does relate to Sasquatch as well a little bit too. But Alex, how's it going today?

1:46 Good? Very good? Thank you for asking what we reminded you of the skin walker stories. Was it a random thought in your head or was there something that came up that was like I got talked to Jeremiah about this. You remember the last time we spoke. I believe I messaged you through TikTok and I talked to you about Brenda Harris or the New Mexico shadow Seekers. Yes, okay, and you told me that you'd dinner reviewed her a while ago. I got to thinking about it and Sharon. Skinwalker stuff is really difficult for me because of the fact that so many people take that as crazy talk, more so than Bigfoot, and it can get into areas they are a little weird. Why do you think it's taken as crazy talk, Alex, Well, I met I've met people in academia. My wife was a nurse and I met a lot of people who were in academia through that, and they take a rather dim view of people, saying things like Bigfoot's and interdimensional travel Order a UFO not or things like that, and if you try to talk to them about skinwalkers. Most scientists that I've spoken to not all.

3:13 There are some who are faith based and they may have different takes on things, but the standard, every day run of the mental scientists types are people who are evidence based and fact based. They're not based. They don't take personal accounts as something to be taken as credible. Does that make sense, Oh? Absolutely, yeah. Eye witness testimony to them is just what it is, eye witness testimony, and it's always viewed as highly suspect and it's usually not taken seriously by scientists. And one of the things that I've actually talked to people about who are a lot of my others, not my mother, I mean my father's side of the family are in the sciences.

4:06 Like I have an uncle who's like a nuclear physicist, you know what I mean. And he is all about physics. He's all about science. He's all about facts, logic, reason, all of that, God, spirituality, all of that that that means nothing to him or his colleagues. That I've actually spoken to you can talk to him about that stuff, but he'll roll his eyes and look at you like you just, you know, started, you know, talking in tongues or something. You know, you might as well be babbling. It means nothing to him, right if that makes sense, And a lot of him probably feel the same way. And so the other reason I brought this up to is because there's a lot of people out there who are always pushing the big Foot is a you know, UFO, not an inner dimensional traveler, a spirit. And I've known people who are very well intentioned. They may have seen something absolutely and I take that as credible. I've met people who I believe every bit that they saw what they saw. But what I'm trying to explain is when they throw that stuff out there that mainstream scientists do not take that credibly. They immediately roll their eyes in disregard everything that they say. And when you're trying to understand Bigfoot, you have to understand that even if scientists do take a look at Bigfoot, that if you tell them that it's a UFO or not an interdimensional traveler,

5:36 that it can cloak that it can do all these things unless you have specific, fact based evidence to back that up. And I'm not talking videos or personal accounts. I'm talking about you would have to summon this thing in front of a scientist, let him see it, interview it and understand it, and record it, and do all of that for him to him or her to believe it. And so when people throw that stuff out there, it's unhelpful when we're trying to prove things like Bigfoot. Yeah, I know in our own culture and Yupik culture on my father's side, our elders taught us that Harryman was a fully biological being that he eats, lives, breathes as children, gets old, and dies just like the rest of us.

6:26 And I'm a cook. Which are the shape shifters. They're totally different. They've never been physical. They've never been When I say physical, I don't mean that they can't take on a physical form. I mean that they have never been human, Bigfoot or anything else, although they can take on physical form. So when we confuse the two and then say Bigfoot's a interdimensional traveler, for instance, scientists, as I said just now, we'll roll their eyes and be like, that's load of crap. I'm not even looking into Bigfoot and that's why we have such a hard time getting any scientists look seriously at Bigfoot because of stuff like that. Gotcha. So to recap a little bit, so the term for Bigfoot or sasquatch would be harryman. The term for skinwalker would be a'ma cook? Is that correct? I mean, you pick yes, and you pick any different cultures. In different cultures, they have different names for them. And there's going to be a few people that remember you from the Alaska episode. But what we're going to be talking about this time is not taking place in southeast Alaska. What would be the geographic region that this would be more taking place in the first one was in Littleton, Colorado, the second was on my way back from Albuquerque, New Mexico to Farmington, New Mexico. And the third one took place when we were

8:01 driving back from Arizona. Or No, the second one took place when we were driving back from Arizona. The third one took place when I was driving back from Albuquerque to Farmington. Perfect, So totally totally different geographic And did this take place before your time in clock or was this afterwards or a mixture? It's a mixture, okay? Interesting? Interesting, all right, Well, i'd be very interested to see you know, and I also think it's important to reinstate that we're not discrediting these stories that we might hear about, you know, Bigfoot and UFOs like you hear from the Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania.

8:50 But your main point is if we're going to get mainstream science to play nice with the Sasquatch and be able to prove that we have to be careful what we are sending their way. Curious to hear what you have to share, Alex, so I feel free to go right ahead. Okay. The first incident that I had with what I believed to be a skin walker was in two thousand and two. I was living in Littleton, Colorado at the time. I worked at a Diamond Shamrock gas station, which I believe it's now a Valero if it's even still in business, but I know it had converted to Valero Energy Corporation some time after I had gone on to work for a different company. And it's a really weird night. It was a full moon outside, it was about nine o'clock at night. I hadn't really had any customers coming in, and so I was kind of doing my clean up.

9:58 At the end of the night. You get everything ready, you know, take down your machines that have like drinks and stuff like that, you clean them, you know, you sweep them off the floor, you do all that. So I'm in the middle of that and I'm kind of focused on that, and then I hear the door day because when you open the door there, it had a little bell that went off so we'd know when people were in the building. And so I look up. I come up front and I get behind the register and I'm looking and I see this Native American man, probably I would say about five eight five nine, maybe one hundred and forty one hundred and thirty pounds, kind of kind of an elder.

10:45 I can't really estimate what his age would be exactly. But he came in and he just kind of came up to the counter and he looked at me and he says, well, he said, I need some loose leaf tobacco. And I'm like, okay, what kind do you want? And so he pointed out one of the kinds on a shelf that we had behind me where we kept we kept our cigarettes. Loo flew loose leaf tobacco and ch on a shelf that was behind us so people could see what they wanted, and so I brought it up through the counter. I rang it up and he was like. I was like, that'll be like I think it was like three eighty nine at the time, and he was like, well, I don't have any money. I'm like okay, and he's like, can you help me out? And I'm like, okay, sure, And so I did. I rang it up for him. I paid for it, and I gave it to him as God is my witness. He walks out the door and he stops. Once he gets outside, he turns around and he looks at me, smiled, kind of did a little wave, and then turned into a coyote. I don't mean that, like, I

12:16 turned my eyes. I turned back, and a coyote ran up to the door. I was looking at him the entire time. I did not take my eyes off of him. Number One, because the guy scared the crap out of me. He radiated evil spiritual power that I really just can't explain, and so he just morphed. That's the only way I can say it. Because he shrunk down. He almost looked like a shadow sort of for a second, and then he morphed, and then he reappeared as a coyote standing where the man was standing, and he kind of let out a little yip and then turned around and ran off. That scared the crap out of me. And so I had a friend who was a Navajo, and I asked him about it a few days later, and he told me he felt also that that was a skin walker. And he said that I'm going to tell you what he said. I'm not Navajo. I do not speak for the Navajo. I'm not in any way connected to the Navajo. I'm just going to tell you what the man told me. You can take that, believe it, or dispute it, but you would have to really dispute it with him. I can only tell you what he told me. He said

13:46 that skin walkers are people who make evil bargains with power, spiritual power, and then they gained the ability to shape shift or some evil spirits to shape shift and do things for them. And he said that's what he thought it was. And he said these people can literally change shape at will. And he said they can also summon spirits to do things for them. Again, I don't fully understand it. I may be explaining it wrong. Any errors that I make in explaining it are mine, probably because he laid a whole mass of concepts on me that I really and truly do not understand. I come from a Judeo Christian background and all that. I had no experience with that. But everything he told me lined up with the experience I had, so we both concluded that was a skin walker. Whether it was or not, I don't know. I can only tell you what it did, what I saw, and how I felt about it. Man, I got some questions for you, Alex about that. That's incredible. How do you know?

15:03 You said yourself, you've got that Judeo Christian background. What do you line that up with in your worldview? Then? Like? How does that make sense to you what you saw? I'm curious other m, I believe that the Bible doesn't explain everything. I'm not saying that the Bible's wrong or in any way incorrect. So I don't want to get the Christians after me and start having them trip out on me and lose their minds. I'm not saying anything like that. What I'm saying is not everything is in the Bible.

15:45 The reason I say that is I saw big flood. Now there are giants mentioned in the Bible, the nepheline, but this is just my understanding. They all perished in Noah's flood. Now there were giants mentioned afterward in the Bible which were also called Nepheline, like Goliath, like the Anakhem, the sons of Anak or Anac, I should say, they're mentioned in the Bible as giants, But these were people. They were not large, hairy people that you know, lived wild in the forest and did weird things. They were people. They could propagate, they could have children, and the children weren't hairy monsters. So I think that we should not confuse the two.

16:33 So I think that I just think that these things are outside of the realm of Christianity and what it can explain with whatever history and whatever knowledge we've gained through that, And so when I look into that stuff and I look at it, I just figure we don't know everything. We don't know what's really out there. We can only see what we see and try to make sense of it as best we can, if that makes any sense. Absolutely, when the gentleman turned from himself to you, said a darkish cloud and then to a coyote. Was it a normal size coyote? Like, if you had seen this coyote on the side of the road, you wouldn't have ticketness. Second, look, it's just a normal looking coyote, absolutely normal.

17:27 I mean, if you saw this thing running around, you would not know it wasn't a normal coyote. It looked like a real coyote. It wasn't overly large or overly small. Coyotes themselves are fairly small, unless they're like inner bread with another species of dog or wolf or some other kind of canine to make them larger, but they generally are fairly small. And that's about what he was. He was about the size of a small dog. And by small, I don't mean like Chihuahua or a Corgi or something like that. Actually, I'd probably say like a medium sized dog, maybe kind of like an Australian shepherd about that size. That's about how big he was.

18:12 But he had the coat of a coyote, was kind of a tannish brownish coat, and he had weird, weird yellow eyes. Oh really, yeah, they kind of had a little bit of a glow to him. Now, if you saw his eyes, that's the thing that the Navajo told me. They said that they always have glowing eyes. They described them as red eyes. But the glowing eyes I saw were kind of a I don't know, maybe yellow or orange. Maybe he turned and ran off. When he came in, his eyes didn't glow. There was one weird thing which I forgot to mention. Do you he did not appear on the video camera at all. It's kind of a big deal. Yeah, he did not appear on the video camera at all. I looked for him and it looked like I was talking to somebody who wasn't there. My manager didn't believe me.

19:14 So you have there. There was video camera footage of you talking to something that wasn't there, taking the loose leaf tobacco off the shelf, and I mean, that's just that's incredible, man. And no, it's not still out there, So if anybody wants to go find it, good luck. I don't even think that place is still in business. I don't even think the footage. Yeah, that's not going to happen, guys, So don't call Jeremiah and ask him where's the video to prove it. I don't have it. Yeah, just all on the truth. If people want to believe what I say, that's fine. If they want to disbelieve it, that's also fine. I don't care. I'm not here to prove anything.

19:57 What would have happened? Do you think if you had refused the gentlemen, the free loose leaf tobacco. I think he would have cursed me, is what I think. And I think I would have had a skin walker coming to my house to terrorize and or kill me. The Navajo gentleman I spoke to he was kind of one of their medicine men. He said, the skin walkers are nothing to play around with. He said, if you offend them, they'll send evil spirits to hunt, and that's their bargain with whatever their evil power is. However, you want to interpret that as Satan, as you know, some other god or goddess, I don't know. I know in Hinduism they have Kali. They caught us of death and rebirth.

20:45 Did you have trouble getting to sleep after that encounter? I did not sleep for a week after that, properly. I had nightmares about it. I kept seeing the eyes on that thing, the glowing eyes. I kept seeing that in my dreams. Sometimes I don't know, Oh, I don't even know if I should tell you this. Sometimes I could see weird glowing eyes looking at my window. I know you probably think I'm nuts as hell and bow your listeners too, but I swear to you. And my house was on the third floor and I saw blowing eyes looking in my window. What that is or was, I don't know, but it was the same type eyes that coyote hit. And all I can tell you is I thank God every day that I just gave him the tobacco and didn't give him any fuss.

21:45 You know, sometimes sometimes you just got that feeling and you just know that what you need to do in a certain situation. And I think you know what I'm talking about, and I'm glad. You're glad that you listened to that for sure, And after four years of doing this, I don't discount anything anymore, So don't worry about it. One thing I will tell you about Navajo is unless you like, really know them, they don't really share a lot of information with you. And that's not all Navajos, but like on their most sacred stuff, they don't really talk about it. He told me about the skinwalker because I had seen one and he believed I saw one, and he told me some things to protect myself and to you know, word that would that oft to make sure it didn't like, you know, come around me. Why do you think he believed that you saw one?

22:41 He said, it was in my eyes. That was That was literally what he said. I can't I can't give you any other explanation. He said, when somebody lies to me, I can see it in their eyes. He said. The stuff that I told him isn't stuff to some random dude could make up unless he'd actually student something. When you experienced this, this skin walker encounter in Lyttleton, did you feel a certain way at all when it was happening? Apprehensive, scared, confused, scared? Yeah, he radiated evil energy. Have you ever read like it seemed like movies like The Exorcist and stuff like that more or less those are those are basically comedies to me, they're not real or based in reality. But real possessions and exorcisms are nothing like they are on that movie. And I've talked to enough people to know that that that is true. Have you ever met somebody that you just didn't like for some reason? You can't put your finger on it.

24:00 You don't know why. They may not have done anything or said anything. They may look like really nice people on the outside, but you instinctively and instantly don't trust them. Have you ever felt somebody like that before you even saw the person, looked at them in the face, you knew. What I'm saying is as I saw him that he had, I felt he had evil. In Kent, Okay, I have experienced something like that. It's very weird experience. It's hard to explain. Well, it's like it's like my one of my aunties, she was hitchhiking from Oregon to Washington and she actually encountered the Green River Killer that I think his name was Gary Ridgeway or something like that. She actually met that guy and got away from him.

24:55 And it's like when she saw him get arrested on TV, she was like, that's the guy. That's him, that's the guy who tried to get me in. I was like, oh shit, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to curse. Oh you're you're kid. Sorry, No, don't worry about it. So it was like a Ted Bundy type dude that she ran into. Yeah, basically, yam glad she got out of that situation. For real. But the way that she described how she felt when she saw him is the same way that I felt when I saw this man that I just instinctively knew there was something wrong with him, you know what I mean. It's almost like it's just it's really hard to explain other than the fact that you just know that they are not right. Something about them is off, I don't know, very interesting, and it almost activates a fight or flight response. Maybe I don't know. It did for me in my situation, I was ready to take the dude out. But that's all I'm going to say about that one. You know, I hear you, I hear you. I didn't want to mess with this guy because he represented to me something that I felt in my I guess you could say my soul.

26:29 I just wanted to leave this guy alone and get him out the door as quick as I could and say it like that. And I had no intention of trying to fight with that guy. He did not look like somebody you would want to try that with, even though he was an older and elder and a little guy. I can tell you that I've had enough fights to tell you that I've gotten my butt whoop by smaller guys. Many times, some of the worst butt whoopings I've ever got were from guys who were probably five six, five five, maybe one thirty one forty kind of so I just instinctively knew, leave this guy alone, yaps. That's all I can tell you. Yeah, you don't want to mess with a gentleman that can turn into coote. Yeah, because I'm telling you right now that that one.

27:22 I still sometimes like if I'm on watching TV or something that somebody mentions its skin walker or something like that on a paranormal show or something, I still kind of hark back to that. It's still I can't fully wrap my mind around it. I know what I saw, I know what I experienced, I know how it felt, but I still can't understand where to place a skinwalker in my world. All I can say is I'll just leave it alone, and as long as they don't mess with me, I won't mess with them. Sure, I've got a weird question that just came into my mind. In your culture, have there ever been situations where the hairy Man and the Ama cook have actually interacted? Absolutely? Really? Yes? Is that anything you can share? No? Okay, fair enough, I was just yeah, no problem, We'll leave it at that. Would you be able to share your second story, Alex, Yes, okay, the second one was just weird, real weird. Almost not quite as weird as me talking to the guy who turned into a kyote, but it was still weird.

28:56 It might have been less weird because we were driving than it was seeing this guy physically in the store and being like two feet away from him. You know. So anyway, we're coming back from Arizona. We've been we went down to Phoenix. I have medical issues. I'm on oxygen and other stuff, and we'd gone down to Phoenix to see a specialist, and so we were driving back home. It had gotten lake because we'd stayed afterward. We did some shopping, and we did some other stuff in Albuquerque. They're not in Albuquerque. In Phoenix, excuse me. And we're driving along on this lonely structural highway in the Navajo Nation, and I'm driving down the road and I see this, this guy standing on the side of the road.

30:02 I can only say that he looked like he was dressed in the army, but he had no face. He was handing up but I did not see a face when I went by, and I was just like and I asked my wife. I was like, did you see that? She was like, nah, I didn't see nothing. And I was like, come on, you're not playing with me, right, She's like, no, I didn't see anything. And so as we passed it, it moreh from a guy in army dress. And I don't mean Salvation army, I mean like US army. He had on like camos camouflage that stuff they were I don't know what all that crap is. I was never in the military, so I don't know anything about that. I know that some people have referred to them as possibly be to us, whatever that means. That's what it looked like to me. And he had no face, and then as we passed him, he turned into a shadow and disappeared again. I talked to a Yaga Chay and I'm a whole holy person, and the Yaga Chase said that they thought again it was a skinwalker. I don't believe it was the same

31:33 one I saw years ago, but you never know. That is very interesting as well. You said it turned into like a darkness or a shadow. Yes, is it similar to the same way that the first Gentleman and Lyttleton turned into a shadow, shadowy darkness before turning into coyote or was it different? It was similar but different because when it turned into a shadow, it just faded out instead of morphing into something physical like a coyote or a bird or whatever, it just turned into like almost like if you take a shadow and you like put a light on it, it just kind of disappears, you know. It was kind of like that, but there was no light on it, and it was just there was no light coming from it or anything like that. It just became one with the darkness outside. I don't I don't know how to put that. And then I couldn't see anything.

32:54 And you saw this happen like in your rear view mirror. It sounded like as I was passing, okay, I had slowed down because I thought it was weird that a guy was standing out on the side of the road, and I thought maybe maybe they needed help. But when I saw the guy had no face af that I'm out of there. I don't give a crap about nothing. You know, you look out there and you see a guy standing there who has no face. If you're unless you're crazy, I'm not about that life, not about that life. I don't mess with that crap, you know what I'm saying. I'm not a double slayer or any of that. Yeah, I was out of there, everybody. I wasn't having none of that. Could you see? So imagine I'm imagining, you know, you've got a figure in fatigues or bdu no face. Was there still something in the area of the head or was it just like the hat?

34:01 Really it had on a military hat, you know, like in the army they have those uh camouflage the hats they were. Don't ask me to explain what it is. I'm not again, I was never in the military. You'd probably have to have a military common person comment on their uniforms, right, and it might not even been any type of military. I'm just saying that when I've seen soldiers like in different places, that's what they look like. So I don't know, you know, I could. I could almost explain a way that no face thing, But it's the disappearing thing that really gets me. Alex. That's just the part where it's it'd be hard to explain that away. You know. That's that's very very interesting. U Are you very familiar with that area or just area you go randomly too for your medical procedures. Um, I didn't go that way again, Okay, I'll be honest. I made sure to avoid that area. Yeah, sure, I'm not a fool. I don't know. I'm not the type. I'm not the type of guy who's going to go back and mess with something like that bigfoot. Maybe I might go back to places I visited, but go spirits, demons, that crap. Not about that life, and I'll mess

35:32 with that. Wow, I'll put some mountain ash around my property, some salt and some other stuff, and you know that's supposed to keep them up because they can't cry. It's a line of mountain ash. I guess according to the Navajo that I've spoken to, and I know for my own religious training, that BLUs salt can keep out spirits. So whether that works or not, I don't know. I can only tell you what I did. If somebody tells me to do something that says it'll keep stuff like that way, I'm all about that life. Sure, it keeps going weirdness and high strangeness out. I'm with that. Did anything that you've experienced in these skin walker stories? Were there and you know, sometimes in our lives, they'll be weird connections where something will happen to me at a certain point in life, and then later on there'll be a weird connection that comes from it.

36:42 Was there anything that happened out of these skin walker encounters that affected your stay in Klook or Southeast Alaska at all, Any weird connections that came up? Yeah, kind of, Okay. The thing, the thing that connects all of that is like that the legend in the clinket culture of the Cushtaka. Because I heard a lot of stories about those. Now I didn't see one on Prince of Wales, thank god, because I'm telling you right now, if I saw something like that, I'm out of there. I don't give a crap about nothing. I quit. I'm done. I'm leaving, not about that life. But when they talked about cushtaka and stuff like that, it kind of everything that they said rang true with what the Navajos teach.

37:45 And then I found out later that Navajos and Clinkets are related because they're Athabaskans. So that's a weird connection right there. I never really thought about that. That is a really good question, Jeremiah. I never really thought about that. The connection is all the time I saw a skinwalker, I knew someone who was Navajo, ZOONI hopie, whatever. But the only common denominator is a Navahos, and the Clinkets are related to the Navajos through the Athabaskans. I never thought about that. I never made that connection until you just said in a whow So you just taught me something. That's why I told you after our first interview that you're thoughtful and insightful. Questions made me think about things. Well. I never made that connection. The connection was that Navajo and Clinkets are related. That's awesome. I'm glad. I'm glad I could help like that. That's that's crazy that I never made that connection.

39:00 And Jeremiah, I promise you in my mind that just didn't click until you just asked me that question and then asked me about Plock. I never thought about that because they actually did tell me. The Clinkets and Navahos both told me that they're relatives. And I know that when the Navajos speak and they say certain words, it sounds like Clinkett and when Clinkett stock or when I had a friend who was Clinkett, who used to go to New Mexico because her son had married a Navajo woman. And she went down there and she said, I can understand about a quarter and a half of what they were saying to me, because she said, it's a lot like Clinkett. And I've had Navahos say that they can, you know, kind of understand where the clinkets are. That's so weird. I never thought about that, man.

39:50 That is absolutely crazy that I never made that connection. I'm sorry. I don't even go on about it. That just literally blows my mind. Oh you're good. That's how it's connected. That might be why I came to the clinkets to try to understand what happened. I don't, Oh my God, make sure God's spirituality. All of that is so freaking weird. I am literally mind born right now. Dude. I can't even think. Well, it's all connected somehow, right, and you just got to find the weird little threads that connected. So I'm glad I could help your connection stuff. Yeah, no problem, man, thank you. If you hadn't asked me that, I never would have made that connection. There you go. Wow, I could have had to be eight so Alex, I actually get that joke. I'm old enough to get it. Unfortunately, UM, so you've had we've talked about two out of three. There's also a third experience that happened as well. Would you be able to share that? Yes, I can. Um. I was coming back from Albuquerque again for medical stuff. Farmington has medical and stuff like that, but they don't have a lot of specialists. I have secondary pulmonary hypertension, and that basically is high blood pressure in my lungs and I have to be on oxygen because of that.

41:20 Twenty four seven six leaders five to six leaders twenty four seven, and so I have to I had to go down to Albuquerque to see a specialist who specialized in pulmonary hypertension so they could treat me for it. And you know, I had to go down there and they were adjusting my sleep at in new machine and stuff like that when I went down there, and they got me a better mask and stuff like that. And so anyway, we stayed down or not we, I should say him because my wife wasn't with me. She had to work, so she had to stay home. We were coming home. It's probably about eight o'clock or I was coming home.

42:08 I don't know why I keep saying we that's so goofy. I'm sorry. Maybe because I'm still mind blown by waiting. I'm sorry, I'm still that. I'm sorry. Anyway, I'm going home and we're going on. I'm going up the highway. The reason I think I'm saying weird is because when I get off this phone, Buddy, I'm telling my wife what you what you helped me to realize because that that literally is going to freak her out. Anyway. So I'm going home. Um. I look, I'm about halfway from Albuquerque to Farmington, and again, I'm passing through the Navajo Nation, and I see on the right side of the road a huge, freaking dire wolf. If you've ever seen in school books like an artist's rendition of what a dire wolf might have looked like, that's what I saw. That thing was freaking huge. I'm doing about seventy miles an hour, and that thing is running faster than my car and I'm driving by it. I can see it's back, I can see its legs. This thing it was all black, Harry, the hair was black. It's running along. I can

43:46 see it in my head lights. But it doesn't cast a shadow. That's what I thought was weird, is if you put a light on something and it is biological, it will have a shadow that did not have a shadow. And it's running parallel to me and then ahead of me, and I'm just kind of freaked out, um, just like tripping. And then it turns into like what looked like almost like a bat, but it wasn't like a bat bat, you know what I mean, like a real biological bat.

44:32 Like it had the outline of a bat and the head of a bat, but it was huge. And then it flew off over the over the hilltop and I lost sight of it. That's that's pretty intense. When it was running parallel to you, how high up on the car would you say the creature's head would be? Like? How high off the ground did this thing you think? If I were to guess my car and I only know this because we've measured, it is five feet and from well, I shouldn't say five feet if you if you take the let me let me think about this, Okay, my car would probably be about about five and a half six feet. I think this thing was taller than my vehicle. Wow, that would probably put it in the seven to eight foot range. Again, it was massive, and it looked just like the drawings I'd seen of dire wolves. I watched show about them years ago, and it was it was

46:04 like it was talking about, like, you know, ancient creatures like the wooly mammoth, dire wolves, dire bears, short faced bears, whatever you call them. It was talking about all that. And they did an artist's rendition of what a dire wolf would look like based on the skeleton. It looked exactly like drawing. I saw what the hell that would be doing and why it turned into a bat. The only thing I can explain is it was a skin walker. Again, I asked an Abiho holy person about it, and they also agreed that it was most likely a skin walker because they said, if it turned into a bat and stuff like that and flew off, that's a skin walker, that's a shape shifter. So again, I can only tell you what I saw. I can't tell you what the hell it was. Oh sure? Was it running on all fours or on two legs? It was running on all fours? Okay, wow, how how are how wide? Would you say? If you could say wingspan? How big a wingspan did this bad type creature have once it turned into a bat any idea I'd have to estimate, and this is only a guess. I would say twenty feet man, and I've talked to Navajos about it, and

47:37 a skinwalker isn't limited on how big it can get. Ill they can be the size of a micro microbe or they can be like gigantic stature that they're not limited like we are. But I would have to say it was at least twenty feet. That thing was freaking huge and not limited to any specific creature. It sounds like either right from what I've understood from different tribes of the Alma cook I know in musick and turn into anything. They can literally turn into anything fascinating. It's very I think it was very important to share these encounters and then for people to realize was there ever a point where there were any you seen, any like floating orbs or anything like that involved.

48:47 Yeah. Yes, the second one, the guy I saw, the one who looked like he was in the army. When he disappeared, some moors appeared in the area where he was as I passed by and then flew off. I forgot about that. Thank you for reminding me. No problem, I'm not trying to do that. It's just sometimes when you talk about this stuff, you forget little details unless some back. But yeah, no, I didn't see orbs with that. I I just when you had sent me over an outline of your encounters, I just was like, man, that's a very interesting detail, because that's a detail that you hear a lot a lot of people bring up in bigfoot sightings where there's usually orbs involved in some way, and it's just very very interesting. Would you how big would you see? Say, those orbs are that you saw about the size of a fist? Okay, any particular color there? They were all colors, like all the colors literally all the colors. Really interesting. M wow. It disappeared. And then just a few maybe two or three year or there a

50:17 whole bunch of them floating around. There was there was I don't know, I'd have to guess about twenty maybe thirty. There was a bunch of them, and there wasn't fireflies or anything like that. If somebody wants to try to explain that away as a firefly, fireflies aren't as big as my fist. It's not that I've heard that's that's a good point. I could see someone bringing that up. But I mean, yeah, fireflies. If they're getting that big, then we've got other issues. When we had started our first interview, you have mentioned a little bit about there are some bigfoot sightings in Montana or big foot encounters. Is that anything that you can share.

51:05 I spoke to a gentleman. He was what I was doing was I was listening to my friend Miguel, he runs the Sasquatch theory on YouTube page. Oh that's right, yeah man, he I was listening to that and I had my callinder down because it was hot outside. And this guy heard that and he was like, he was like, do you believe in that kind of stuff? I said, yeah, it's like he was like he thought about it for a second, and he was like, I could tell he was mulling over in his head. Should he tell me about it? And he was like, well, he said, I might think they're real too, And I said, okay, why And he said that he was out at Glacier National Park in Montana and he said that he was out there doing some hiking and he said he encountered what looked like a gigantic black gorilla, is how he described it. He said it had a face like a gorilla.

52:19 He said it had like dark skin. He said it size or black and kind of almond shaped. And he said that it was probably about seven seven and a half feet paul. And he said it was probably about three to four feet at the shoulders. And he said it was massive, and he said his muscles were really thick and heavy. The one detail he gave me which I really thought was weird, he said that the jaw on it was askew, And I said, what do you mean. He said it looked like like it had been damaged some how and not healed properly. And I was like, that's kind of an odd detail for somebody to make up, you know what I mean, Because sometimes you're a random dude saying this or that, and you're like, but when I looked at this guy in the eye, he did not look like he was lying to me. If he was lying, I think the guy should be in Hollywood. And some of his weird details about it were, I mean, you're telling me he saw a big foot and then you tell me it's jaws a skew like it's hanging a little bit to the side. He said the mouth was closed, but he said that the jaw was out of place. And I said, did it look like a recent injury, an older injury. He said, no, it was an older injury. It looked like it had healed up,

53:51 but he said the jaw was out of place. And I was sitting there thinking, Jesus, what could make the jaw of a big foot break like that? Maybe a bigger bigfoot, who knows, Maybe I don't know, I don't know. But he said that he thought that was really weird, he said. And he said it was really thick and muscle, and he said it scared him so bad he pooped himself, is what he said. And that's not a detail somebody would share if they didn't really that didn't really happen to them, because that's really embarrassing. I mean, if you defecate or urinate on yourself after you see a big foot, you're not going to go telling people to detail like that unless you're like a masochist or something, because you know people are going to be talking garbage about you. But he just right out with it, and I was like, that's crazy.

54:49 But he said it was all black, the hair, and he said the skin he could see on the face. He said the ears were really small and kind of weirdly shaped. And he just said that the eyes were black and were almond shaped. And he said it had a domed head like a mountain is how he described it. And he just came out with it. I said, have you ever told him nobody that? He said no, He's like, because I don't want people thinking I'm crazy. I said.

55:30 I looked at him and I was like, I totally totally feel you. And then I told him about my childhood bigfoot experience and he was like, that's crazy. You saw an albino. I was like, yeah, he goes, I think if I ever saw an albino, I might have just had a heart attack or a stroke. I was like, I don't know. If I saw a gigantic bigfoot and it was in the forest somewhere and it was writing, you know, like a few feet away from me, and I had no protection and nothing between me and it, I said, I might have gave up the ghost. So you know, it's just that was weird. And then I've heard other stories, but they were all, you know, just secondhand stuff, and I don't like sharing that because that's not to me reliable because if you if you take people in the cine them in a circle and you tell the story here, by the time he gets back to you, it's totally different. So it's when it's secondhand stuff, I don't I don't take that as necessarily credible. And unless I'm able to interview the person that it directly happened, to see their face, see their reactions, and see if I think they're being truthful or not, and it sounds like to that gentleman's face it we're able to look into his eyes.

56:46 When he was telling the story, he started crying, Wow. Yeah, whatever he saw it scared him so bad that even he said he saw it in like nineteen ninety seven, he said, even now, he said, I can't go in the woods, I can't hunt, I can't hike, I can't fish. He said, seeing that thing messed him up bad. He said that like if he's driving near a forest or something, he says he has panic attacks. And he said it. He said, after he saw it, it made him sick after that, And that's that's the one thing I forgot to tell you that third one I saw that turned into a bat after I saw that, I was sick for like a week. That's right, I forgot that. Yeah, I forgot about again. A weird connection. There you go. And um, going back to that third encounter of the first thank you for sharing that, that story that Gentleman's share with that was amazing that your third encounter. So what kind of sickness were you dealing with after you experienced the dire wolf back creature? I had, I had fever, I was coughing, and I felt completely drained of energy.

58:13 How can I not remember that stuff? I yeah, I must have been really thrown off by that question you told me. I am so sorry, you know, I apologize that. Really, I'm still I'm still spinning that around in my head. I apologize. But yeah, I was sick for like a week after that, and it was like I was coughing, I felt like completely drained of energy. I felt like like I just I couldn't even get out of bed. Man. I was just I was sick as a dog. Wow. Is that a common occurrence when people sometimes when people have run ins with skinwalkers, that they'll become sick like that? Or was that a pretty unique thing. I think the first two I saw it didn't affect me like that scared the crap out of me and gave me nightmares, Yeah, but not like made me sick. That third one made me sick.

59:09 So I don't know. Maybe it was mad it saw me and it cursed me. Interesting. The first guy, I gave him the tobacco he wanted, so he didn't curse me. The second guy, I just go right past him, so right, hopefully you didn't curse me, you know. But no, that third one it was bad. I mean by the time I got home, man, I was sick. Wow. Well, Alex, thank you so much for coming on again. This has been just a really insightful conversation about skinwalkers with some interesting insights about sasquatch as well.

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