Sasquatch of Prince of Wales Island, Alaska

0:00 If they catch you in the forest, they will kill you and eat you. And a lot of natives believe that that particular triump of bigfoot are responsible for people disappearing in like national forests. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society. In this episode, we talk to Alex, a retired Salvation Army pastor who served in Clook, Alaska on Prince of Wales's Island. Why are the Sasquatch so much more aggressive on Prince of Wales's Island? And what did Alex see in his window that one night as a seven year old? Find out this and more on this episode of Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege of chatting with Alex, and Alex is a retired Salvation Army pastor that served in Alaska.

1:07 How are you doing tonight, Alex? Doing well yourself? Oh, I'm doing great, Just hanging out on a nice Iowa night. Alex, How are you doing doing well? Just enjoying this Montana whether it's a little cold, little bit snow snowy out here, but it's nice. Oh. You know, I've talked to a few from Montana, and I know we're not talking about Montana tonight, but man, there's some crazy Montana Bigfoot things happening. It's wild, yeah, state. I've heard some stuff. I've heard a couple of stories from and I've had the privilege to meet a few of the Crow and Cheyenne people and I've had a chance to chat with them about Bigfoot, and I've heard some pretty pretty crazy stories about it. But tonight, Alex, we are here to first chat about I met you on TikTok for a little bit of context, and you and you've you've had some interesting things happen during your time in Alaska and also some interesting things you've heard as well, and I would love to have you share those with my listeners tonight.

2:14 If you don't mind, I don't mind. Let's just get started. I went to the Salvation Army there, I was stationed there. I was a pastor. I would be what you would call a lay pastor, which in their rank. The Salvation Army has quasile army ranks, so like the officers are called captains or lieutenants or majors, and I, as a lay pastor, wasn't one of those, so I would have been called an envoy, so that would have been my title. But I ran the Clock Church from June of two thousand and ten to June of two thousand and twelve.

2:55 And the really crazy part is when I first went there, I didn't know anything about southeast Alaska. I didn't know anything about Prince of Wales Island where Clok is located. Cloke and Prince of Wales are about three hours by ferry south of Ketchikan, southeast of Ketchikan, and they are about forty five minutes by plane, and the only way to get get out to the island is either buy a ferry boat or plane. So when I got off the boat, I met the captains who were who were leaving. They were the ones who'd been running the church the past few years, and they were leaving and moving on to Wrangel, Alaska. As soon as I got in the van, the captain, without knowing me or knowing anything, says to me.

3:49 He said, Alex, let me tell you something. He said that this is something you'll need to know. He said that the people here take bigfoot very seriously, like dead serious. He said, they'll talk to you about Bigfoot. If you make fun of bigfoot, or if you make light of it. He said, you'll offend people in the community, and he said, you'll never you will have a really hard time in this community. It'll cause hard feelings. Never knew this guy, never met him, never discussed bigfoot, didn't know anything about anything. And the instant I get in the van, that's the first thing he tells me. He said that these folks are really serious about Bigfoot here on Prince of Wales and so I just thought that was crazy right from the gate. You know, because generally, if you walk up someone you've never met and tell them that you know Bigfoot is real and that the people in the local area take bigfoot very seriously, you might get one of two responses, well okay, or you know something.

5:00 A lot of skeptics will be derisive. They'll be nasty or negative or make sarcastic comments. And Captain Ron said very clearly, don't do that here. And he said, if they talk to you about Bigfoot, just smile, listen to what they say, and just say thank you for letting me know, and don't blow it off. So that was my introduction to Bigfoot on Prince of Wales Island. I knew bigfoot was real because I had an experience with it when I was a kid. I actually saw one looking in my window. Was now buy no Bigfoot back in nineteen seventy eight in the Hood River, Oregon, so I knew Bigfoot was real. They didn't have to tell me about it. But Captain Ron didn't know me from Adam, didn't know anything about Bigfoot, didn't know about you know, my history with Bigfoot.

5:50 But so I learned right away that the people on Prince of Wales are the people that I interacted with were the clinkt the Haida, and the Simschian, and there were even some you pick folks and you pick or my tribe. My father on my father's side, his mother was you pick Alaska Native. As I was going along there and doing my duties in the Salvation Army, I had people sharing reports with me and things like that. But one of the things that particularly impressed me about them is I was told by one of their culture bearers. Now I don't have permission to use her name, so I won't, but she told me their stories about Bigfoot, and they believe in the Clinkett tribe, at least in clock. I don't know about the Clinkett tribe in general, because I had very limited interactions with Clinketts from outside of Clock, that they believed that Bigfoot led their people to what it's now Clock, and that it showed them how to hunt, and that big Foot showed them how to live on the island. And so they actually have Bigfoot in their family history, really in their clan history. One of the tribes in particular, especially the one this one was with. If I tried to pronounce her tribal name, I would completely slaughter it. So I'm really

7:20 not going to try to, but suffice it to say that Bigfoot is a part of that tribe, and it's in the name of their tribe, their particular tribe or tribe in the Clinkett nation, and so I thought that was very interesting. I really didn't meet anybody in to Wok or Prince of Wales who hadn't either had a sighting directly or knew someone in their immediate family who had a sighting. And I talked to many different people out there in the Clinkets. Now on Clock there's a bit of a thing because a lot of people think that this Kushtika is a big Foot. Now from what I was told by a tribal elder from saxman, which is in Ketchikan. He said that the Kushtika is like a is like the skin walker. It's an evil spirit of shape shifter. And in Clinkett Kushtika means land otterman exactly, and so it's it's very interesting. But according to Captain Joe and some of the elders from when we had celebration in Clook one year, they had a gathering of the other Clinkets from around southeast Alaska and they all came and they were saying that the tribal elders from several of the different areas like in you know,

8:58 Juneo and some of the other cities around in southeast Alaska like Sitka and some of the other places, they said the coush Deka is not a bigfoot. They said it's an evil spirit or a spirit, and it can be benevolent or harmful depending on its feelings at the time. But they said it's not biological. It's never been human, and it doesn't have children, it doesn't reproduce, and it doesn't you know, propagate or do anything that the bigfoot do. And so anyway, now the folks in clock do call bigfoot Coushtka and they believe that Coushtka is a Bigfoot. But I know when I know wh like I said, meeting with the other tribal elders, they felt differently about it. So I'll just say that it is what it is, but that that was the understanding that I had from different folks. The funny thing though about this Kushka, though, is this tribal elder from Saxman told me that they're always seen with orbs and spiritual phenomenon and they're the things that people see the travel inner dimensionally. And he said that they can appears as bigfoot, they can take on the form of Bigfoot, but he said they're not bigfoots. And he said that he feels and this was his opinion that

10:35 a lot of the people who see like quote unquote UFOs or orbs or other spiritual phenomenon with bigfoot are actually seeing a shape shifter. And that's that's what he said, because he said that what the Kushtka is so and what again, whether that's true or not, I don't know. I'm not a clinkt I don't speak for them. I can only tell you what their triblowders told me, Alex, I've got a quick question for you that that is extremely fascinating, and nodded. I was not expecting any of that at all. Um, when you said spiritual phenomenon, right, or phenomena? You said orbs and spiritual phenomena? What what else would fall into that category. One person related to me a sighting of the scoushtaka um in Ketchikan, and they said that it hit You've seen the movie Predator, right, sure, how the Predator goes invisible? They said, it did that really acushticacousta. And they said that it looked like like a part order part man is what they said. But they said it shifted into like a fish and jump into the water like a salmon, like a really large salmon and jump into the water.

12:11 But they said that it had orbs floating around it, and it said that the orbs were glowing different colors. And I think that actually, and I'm not saying all UFO phenomenon, but I think some of the UFO phenomenon associated with big Foot are actually the spiritual orbs that these shape shifters are able to manifest. And my understanding is they can actually travel in between dimensions is what they tell me. So I think that when people see a big foot that's traveling interdimensionally, I don't think that's a big foot. And it's not only them that say that. I've talked to Navajo, Zoonies, Hopies, Sue, I've talked to Crow, I've talked to Cheyenne, I've talked to Utes. I know as a u Pick person, we have a legend of the Amakok, which is the same type of creature. It's it's also associated with spiritual phenomenon like orbs appearing and disappearing, like you would follow the footprints of it, for example, and it would go on a straight line, and it would travel for so long and then it would just stop and it has nowhere to go. Have you ever been talked to any individuals by the

13:41 unto basin part of Utah? I have not, to my knowledge, No, I have not in that that's the Skinwalker Ranch. Just a random thing I wanted to throw in there just in case. But but it's just very interesting to me about all these different things. But like the actual bigfoot in Prince of Wales are different here than I think in the lower forty eight because they now I've heard a big foot doing this in other places, but I've never actually seen it personally. In Clock and in Heidelberg and Cassan and Thorne Bay and Whale Pass and Kaufman Cove and some of the other cities on Prince of Wales, they've actually been witnessed by locals the big Foot, the real Bigfoot, not the coushtaka, the actual, honest to God Sasquatchum. They've been observed pulling trees up by the roots out of the ground that are like alive, pulling them out of the ground and then turning them upside down and shoving them like three to four feet into the ground with the roots facing up towards the sky. Stay tuned from our Bigfoot society will be right back after these messages. And the Clinkett Older has told me they do that to mark their territory and that if you see that, you know that's their territory and

15:13 you're supposed to leave and not go around there, because they said if you do, they'll they'll get really aggressive with you. They'll throw rocks, they'll throw sticks, But if you don't leave, then there's actually been reports of them like grabbing a hold of people and throwing them against trees and hurting them and stuff like that. Credible reports from people who are like police officers, former military, you know, people who aren't known in the community to be liars, hoaxeres or storytellers. They don't use drugs or alcohol. They're not mentally incapacitated or ill. They're just people who saw something really crazy that they couldn't explain. How many toes do the Bigfoot have on each foot in that area? Do you know the track I saw? I had? Five?

16:07 Okay? Do you know if there's any is it talked about in that area of certain individuals I've heard or four toasd I've heard of was four to big foot? Okay, so you know what I'm about. I do. I also heard they were reddish in color, and they were smaller than the regular big Foot, and they were like way more aggressive. This is what I was so, Alex, this is world, this is wild. Yeah, they are hyper hyper aggressive. Um. They are actually called cannibal. If they catch you in the forest, they will kill you and eat you. And a lot of natives believe that that particular trip of Bigfoot are responsible for people disappearing in like National Forests and stuff like that in Alaska, and it's just it's really really interesting stuff. And by it's really funny because science is always saying there's no evidence for Bigfoot and things like that, and yet you have native tribes who I personally interacted with in Canada, like the o Jubois and others um and you would you know, some of the other First nations in Canada who are geographically separated from you know, these other natives than like the south southwest head of the US like in uh, the Navajo in like

17:41 Arizona and New Mexico and places like that. And yet they have the same legends of the same creatures and they have them right alongside eagle bear, you know, horse beaver, you know, scorpion snake, and you know they're actually reporting on creatures that they see in real life. The two natives. Bigfoot is as real as you and I. And you know, they're always they're always like they always think it's funny, the natives I've talked to, because I'll talk to them about Bigfoot and they're like, oh, the white man believes in that now, huh. You know, it's like we've been knowing about that for years old news to us. We're we're dealing with this for years. They're like, these white scientists come around here looking for Bigfoot and we tell them they're stupid, and I'm like, okay, why, And they said, because if Bigfoot wants to find you, he'll find you.

18:45 You don't find Bigfoot, he finds you, you know, and stuff like that. So they I know, I know that the Clink has told their kids to stay out of the forest and rust they're together, and to be careful when they're walking in the woods, to use the buddy system, and to make sure that they're always watching the area that they live in, especially if those those weird red reddish colored hair colored Sasquatcher running around. So, Alex, the crazy thing is is that and I have to be really careful about what I say. But I talk to a lot of people, and all the things you said about those those four toad big I've heard from at least one other person in another state, not Alaska. And it's not just like you are absolutely right, because I've heard this same almost details told that they happen, even down to pulling up the tree by the roots and putting it upside down and That's all I can say right now. It's just incredible how you your story had so many similarities. Do you think does that four toad tribe is in different states or just in the Pacific Northwest, or I think they emigrated across the lamp bearing straight land bridge, the same as

20:19 the other big foots. Sure, I'm almost wondering, based on the descriptions that people have given me, if maybe they're not some throwback to the orangutan or something of Some of the people I've heard described them in a way that almost makes them sound like orange orangutans. And it's also interesting because a lot of people they think orangutans or these you know, common peaceful apes, and yet orangutans will grab a hold of, you know, other animals, ripped them apart and eat them, you know, even their own young. So you know, that's That's just the thing is that I've heard a lot of bad reports and from what I understand this that red haired tribe. I know, there was some tribe. I was talking to a guy who was Hoopa and he said, there's oma omar or Omah, and he said that means the boss of the woods, like the boss the king of the woods, the owner of the woods, the leader of the woods, or whatever.

21:26 He said. The Omas are different than those guys. And he said that the Olmah will leave you alone if you leave them alone. The other guys the four toes, and he had a name for them, but I do not. I could not pronounce it. I'm very sorry. I guess my linguistic skills are a little weird. But um, he pronounced it, and my ear and my mouth just could not. My brain and my mouth could not coordinate to form the words. No problem. If any listeners of that name, feel free to send me an email at big Foot Society at gmail dot com. So much stuff I learned in clock. And then there's my own sighting clock. I didn't actually have a personal sighting because I was distracted, um during the event that happened. Um, if you want, I'll get into my sighting real quick about and other stuff after if you like it or not, sure, Okay. My brother Morgan and my sister Tara.

22:32 My brother Morgan passed away three years ago. I really wish that he was still alive because he could tell you, like what he saw and some of the stuff he observed that I didn't observe um during the event. But what happened was we were we were going up Big Salt Road, Big Salt Lake Road in uh In. That's a road that leads from from clock to Thorne Bay or two Kaufman Cove if you if you go right, you go to Thorn Bay. If you go left, you go to Kaufman Cove. So I turned left on Prince of Wales Island Road and we were heading towards Kaufman Cove, which is where we were going to go and visit. It's really pretty out there. There's a pebble beach and it's really nice, and I wanted to take my brother and sister up there and show it to him.

23:22 And so anyway, we get about a quarter of a mile half a mile or so up up up the road Prince of Wales Island Road, and my brother's diabetic, so he's like, Alex, can you stop. I got to use the restroom, and so I'm looking for a place to pull off and I see what it looked like. It was either like an old logging road or something. I'm not sure, but it was like it looked like at one time it had been a logging road that it hadn't been used in a while, and so we pulled off into there and he gets out and he's urinating, and then he comes back around the corner and he goes, hey, Alex, come here, and I'm like, what, man, it's cold, you know, it's April. It's it's cold. There's snow on the ground. I don't want to get out, you know. But he's like, come here, you need to look at this. And so I'm like okay, and I get out and he calls me over. I walk over to him and in a snow bank, there were three tracks and the tracks were about i'd say roughly about five feet apart, and they were in a straight line, which is weird, you know, because when people walk, they walked, you know, side by side with their feet, you know what I mean. These look like somebody who was balancing on a tie rope or something. It was weird. But there was three tracks, and they were in the snow. The ground was hard, so it didn't

24:55 leave like it did leave an impression, but it didn't leave like like a deep impression. The tracks were about I I were a size fourteen tripoli and these were a couple inches longer than mine. So I'd say about a sixteen or a seventeen, and it's its feet were wider than mine. Somebody asked me about how big I thought it was, and I'll tell you what. I am not a math person, Okay, math is actually my worst subject. So I say, well, I think they're about three or four inches. When I told Morgan that, he was like, you idiot, And I was like, he was like, those things were like six seven inches apart and there were seven six seven inches wide. It's like they're not three to four inches, you idiot, you know. And he was the best namby. So that's that's one of the reasons why I was glad he was there, because I have I have a real problem with like looking at something and reckoning how big it is, you know, and he doesn't. Morgan is very math articles he you know, was very logical and factual, and so he guess the shoe was a sixteen or a seven. It would have been if it were wearing shoes, the foot would have been like a sixteen or a seventeen. And it was wider than my tripoli. And so we're looking at it and we're like, Morgan had pictures of it, but unfortunately,

26:26 when he passed away, the pictures were lost and I don't have any photos left of him. But the other part was we got chased out before we could do any measurement or anything, because he was like he told me, said, why don't you do that big foot screen that you do? And so I did it, and I'm not going to do it right now because it would like blow our audio out, but it's it's just a basic screen. I did that, and then about twenty thirty in I don't know seconds later, something grabs ahold of a big old tree and starts shaking that sucker back and forth. It was whipping it back and forth, and that was a good sized tree. Whatever was grabbing ahold of that tree, it was monstrously strong, monstrously strong. And then like we start hearing like you know, branches breaking and stuff like that. And then off to my right, i'd say, about ten or twenty feet away, I hear a wha, and then again it goes real loud and aggressive. Just like that scared the living piss out of me. And whatever vocalization that thing was doing,

27:56 I could feel it in my body. It resonated in my body, you know what I mean. And it was like, I was like, we need to get the hell out of here now. And then so we all jump in the van, get out, peel out of there, and I head straight back to the church. I'm done. You know, I saw a big foot when I was a kid. You know, it'd be interesting to see another one. But let's not and say we did, right. But when we get back, Morgan tells me he actually saw one peeking its head out from behind a tree. He said it was it had it had a very large head, he said it had. It was black. The skin on the face was black, and the hair was black, and it had like brownish eyes. And he said he saw it for about a second or two and it popped back behind the tree. And he said it was probably about seven day feet off the ground on where the head was. And that's pretty much the experience we had with that. Now, I went back and I talked to one of the Clinkett elders. His name is al Jackson, and I actually do have permission to use his name on Prince of Wales.

29:17 They call him mister Bigfoot. Whenever anybody in any of the tribes has a big foot sighting, they go and tell Al Jackson about it. Anyway, he was featured on the show Monsters and Mysteries in Alaska. They actually interviewed him for that. That was I don't remember what year that was. Was twenty eleven, two thousand and twelve, two thousand and ten, I can't remember. But anyway, he was on that show and they interviewed him, and he took him up there up on Clok Mountain where those upside down trees are and he showed the guy and the guy actually took pictures of him and videoed him. And the thing that's weird about those trees on Clok there's no rope marks, chain marks, nothing, And that's that's not something that's you know, like a flood or something happened. Stay tuned from our Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages and you know, or a windstorm and that just happened because there's actually out in that area. There's a bunch of them, and you know they're in kind of weird places. But like, um, if you see those and you're out in the foresting in in uh near Clock Mountain, if you see those or around Clock or Heidelberg.

30:45 If you see those trees, you're supposed to leave the area and not go near there. You're not supposed to hunt there, you're not supposed to fish there, and you're not supposed to go around there. And the elders also said that if you see a big foot out there, they said, don't look them in the face, because they take it like you're trying to challenge them. And they said, don't look at in the eye, to look down to your right or your left, and they said just back away slowly. And there's just so many stories I heard about Bigfoot. It's it's just crazy. I mean, I never met a people who were so open to share their culture and their stories and their traditions with an outsider to their tribe, because they would just tell you stuff. I mean, and they didn't like try to hide it or you know, it wasn't they had stories that they wouldn't tell people, obviously, but like if it was about Bigfoot or about their clans or their totems or you know, the stuff they believe in spiritually, they tell you all about it. You know. We we have a lady who was a culture bearer, who was a good friend of my wife and I we used to go over there and listen to r Kell tales about their creation stories. And it's kind of funny because their stories are very similar to other tribal stories I've heard about creation. Did those stories have anything

32:19 to do with Bigfoot? Absolutely? Really, he's one of the big feet, one of the big people in their in their belief system. I don't want to say mythology, because sure it's actually real. They actually talk about stuff that they really observe about in nature. Now, you know, people will take it or believe it or disbelieve it. To a skeptic, everything's a dude in a suit, or you know, a misidentified black bear or brown bear or something like that, because to a skeptic, no amount of evidence other than a physical body. Well, even if you brought them a physical body, they might not accept it as evidence. You know, they might say, oh, people just made that. That's stupid. To a person who really doesn't want to hear the subject, there's nothing you can say to convince them that, you know, to a skeptic, everything's a dude in the suit. And I told a skeptic one time, I told him, I said, so if everybody's a dude in the suit. You're telling me that these there's some society of hoaxers who've been jumping out on Native Americans since time immemorial. You're in North America, Alaska, China, Russia, Asia, you know, Australia. You know there's a society of hoaxers around

33:53 the world who are wearing suits and jumping out in monkey suits and people for the last thousand, two thousand and three thousand hour many years. You know what I mean? I said, either that's what you're saying it has to be, or there is actually a real living creature that's out there right now today we're roaming the forests of different countries around around the world and people are seeing it and either they're all liars and hoaxers, or it's true and there's something to it. Now, do I believe every single bigfoot story? Now?

34:34 I do not. But you can usually tell if somebody's really had a big Foot sighting because they have tells, you know what I mean. One of the things that I watch people is their eyes. People who've really seen something, you can see it in their eyes. You know what I mean? What is it that's not seeing their eyes? Trauma Yep, somebody who's really seen a big foot up close and personal. Not you know, somebody who's seen it, like, you know, seventy five hundred yards away, and they're looking at it through a scope or pair of binoculars or something.

35:21 I'm talking about like somebody like me, as a kid who saw an albino bigfoot looking in his window and was three to four feet from it. You know. But like I said to a skeptic, everything's a et in a suit or a bear. You mentioned how you've seen the look of trauma in someone who's actually seen a big foot up close. Is that a look that you would see often in that clock area people who had an up close and personal experience. Yes, yeah, absolutelylutely. It changes you and also shreds your brain. Imagine as a seven year old kid looking out your window and seeing something looking in at you that science, religion, and all the other people out there say doesn't exist. In one fell swoop, your brain now questions everything, because if Bigfoot exists, nothing is off the table. Because I've heard as a kid growing up, I'd heard stories about bigfoot, But I put that in the same place as unicorns, trolls, elves, you know, rainbow right stuff, you know that kind of stuff. Okay, that's where I put bigfoot. But when you look out your window and you

36:52 see one of those suckers looking in at you, you're done that change. Literally. They actually have done brain scans on people who've passed polygraphs and stuff for bigfoot, and they have a different response in their brain to processing information than people who have not seen one. And they have a strong trauma response when they talk about it, and that is something you can't fake. I mean people, if somebody tells me they've seen a bigfoot, I just look them in the eye, and I do if they're smiling, if they're laughing, you know, if they're just like, you know, not taking it seriously. I don't listen to anything they say. I saw a guy who was a Navy seal. I kid you, not a guy I met who was a Navy seal. Okay, he had his d two fourteens, his military ID, all of that. He told me. He said, I was a Navy seal and he said seeing an fffing bigfoot changed my life forever, he said, Because now, he said, I used to go on the forest all the time. I used to hunt Fishpike. I can't do that anymore, he said, because that scared me so bad, he said,

38:25 He said, I was in Vietnam. He said, I faced every type of human and the animal that you can show me said. I fought bears, I fought people. He said, I fought wolves, tigers, lions, all kinds of stuff. And he said, there's nothing that scared me like that Bigfoot. And for a guy who was a Navy seal to say something like that, that's telling you something about Bigfoot. Did you mention where he had seen that bigfoot area? Yea near Pike's Peak in Colorado. Do you feel like so? The first thing is you know you in that Klook area everyone has either seen or knows someone that has seen Bigfoot. Is there are there stories that are always passed around in that area as like the ultimate in counter Slash story like this story proves that they're out there. Anything that the story you kept hearing over and over and over again referred to, there was one, and it was told to me. I actually Al Jackson introduced me to to ten people again. He's mister bigfoot Um. He's a Clinkett elder um. And he introduced me to to these guys, and they all told the same story that they had a big foot walk out they were

39:59 there was a cedar mill on the outskirts of clock where they processed cedar wood and stuff like that, and they had a big foot walk right through the middle of the factory or the saw mill, excuse me. And it was howling letting out this horrible screech. It scared them so bad they wouldn't go back there again to work for like a month. And these were people in the community who were well known in the community as honest, god fearing people who are not hoaxers, not pranksters, not liars, not alcoholics or drug addicts, don't have mental illness. They're just people who saw something really crazy they couldn't explain. And I believe them. They all saw it and they heard it walking through the middle of their work site. Almost sounds like a a portlock type situation, except for there wasn't a massive amount of people being killed, but they did leave the area and not return. That's really really interesting. Well, and plus the Hida now in Heideberg, they actually have a name for their bigfoot. They call it Gageet means like wild man or something. Like that. And they've had some stories of like bigfoot, like

41:36 you know, throwing rockster people's windows or their doors, stuff like that. Living up there. And this is a totally random question. Did you have any thoughts about missing four on one or run into any situations regarding that. They've had children, adults and people still missing in the forests that were not found. They they do have black bear on the island. They're not They probably get up to about two three hundred pounds, but the average is about one hundred and fifty two hundred pounds, and they're I mean, if you run into one, obviously you know it would cause damage, but you know it's it's just it's just weird because when you have bear kills, you know you find body parts, you know, you find where the bear dragged them off, You see blood mark, stuff like that. These are people who disappeared and are never seen again in not hiding her hair or not clothing.

43:02 They may have been carrying rifles or fishing equipment. It's all gone and nobody ever finds it. Would you ever talk to hear from people that would run into large animals that would have their next broken almost twisted and broken I've gotten reports of that from Montana, where like even creatures like grizzlies would have their necks broken. They stumble upon animals like that in Coloque, when the big foots kill something or on princip of whales, they eat it. So you don't find animals usually that are just preyed upon and not eating. So I would say that they have found animals who were killed like one it had its skull crushed in and the way it was done, it doesn't make sense that it would be a bear, because if a bear did it, you'd have, you know, claw marks and stuff like that. What it looked like is somebody took like a hammer and hit hit the deer in the head, just like one hit. And you know who could run down the deer and hit it in the head of a hammer. I don't know, just saying that's that's that's intense. It is intense. How long ago again was it

44:37 that you were in that Clooc region two thousand and ten, June two thousand and ten, the June two thousand and twelve. I still hear stories about stuff going on out there. Stay tuned from our Bigfoot society will be right back after these messages. I was going to ask if so there's still events unfolding in that area. Uh. Wow, that place is a paradise for bigfoot man. Uh, it's got it's got fish. One part of the walk has a salt lake, the other part has a freshwater lake. And you have like crabs, you have like shrimp, you have like seals, you have like uh, different fish, you have all kinds. I mean it's it's actually a temperate rainforest is what cook is classified as. And uh and Prince of Wales and so you have like lichen, you have like all kinds of fruit. They have like gooseberries, salmon berries, boisoonberries, blueberries.

45:45 They've got all kinds of berries around there. Um, it's literally like the animals they're gonna starve. Sounds like as environment. Yep, so they've said I know one guy he reported the sighting where he said he saw a big foot take a rock and there was a seal swimming in the water, and the big foot beamed it in the head and then swam out, grabbed it, threw it over its shoulders, swam back to shore and walked off into the forest with it. That is incredible. That's why I like when people tell me bigfoot throw rocks out of my note for a fact, the big foot aren't aiming at them directly. They're just trying to scare you and drive you out of their area. They will throw it at you if you don't like you don't get the hint and leave, you know what I mean.

46:43 But like they they've had reports of them doing that the beer too, you know, I've heard an anchorage. I heard reports of them doing it the moose. I actually heard of a big foot running down a moose in anchorage out and denially go for us. There was a couple of hunters out there. You're not actually supposed to carry firearms in Denali Park, but you know a lot of people disregard that because there's frigging huge grizzly bears out there, and if you encounter one, they're not afraid of people at all, and if they're hungry, they'll eat the crap out of you. So a lot of people do carry rifles out there and whatnot. But anyway, they saw a big foot run down a moose, grab it and like break its snack and drop it like a bad habit. And they said it literally picked the moose up and this is a huge moose. They said it was probably seven foot from the top of the head down, and they said that thing threw it over its shoulder and walked off. They said the big foot was about nine feet tall, and they said it was built like a brick shite house. Is what the guy said. He said that that thing was breaking massive, and he said it easily picked it up, through it over its shoulder and walked away. The strength of a big foot is unfreaking real.

48:10 That's why when I hear people saying they'll shoot one. I talked to one of the elders about that. I said, has anybody ever shot When he goes, hell, no, what do you think We're stupid? We're not going to shoot them. They live in families out there. If you see one big foot, there's two or three others surrounding you. If you shoot one, the others will come in and kill you. So that's why I laugh when I hear people saying they're going to shoot a big foot. It's like, you better hope it's alone. Can You can try to shoot a big foot, but it doesn't sound like you'll be getting away alive. Potentially, you probably know, yeah, yeah, definitely did you Another thing is oh go ahead, Sorry, no, you go ahead. I was going to ask, did you ever have any reports of people hearing a lot of vocalizations in that area? M Oh yeah, I heard of myself. Oh really, what kind of things did you hear? Well? I heard I've heard whoops, you know, like that, and there's nothing in clock on Prince Wales that makes that kind of noise. I've heard that. I've heard I've heard growls obviously that thing. I heard a bigger one. Who whoof

49:44 like that at me? I heard that. Um. I also heard one that kind of reminded me of that BASI how thinker Thunker put it on his site. I can't even imitate it. It's it's like we're real weird and high pitched, and it's just like it sounds really bizarre. But it sounded like that. And then I heard one once it was almost like that, ohio, moldhow that some people do like that? What kind of stuff? You know what I mean? I heard something very like that, And then I heard one that was like a scream and it sounded like Cliff Berrickman used to do it on Finding Bigfoot. Beginning of it. He'd do this scream and I'd be like, he just go like like that. And I heard something like that, but it was a lot louder, and it carried for miles and like you could feel it. And one of the neighbor's dogs when I heard that, years went down tail one between its legs and that thing.

51:04 Yeah, I went in the house and wouldn't come out for a week. It was hiding under the bed. It actually went all over itself and defecated on itself. It was so terrified. So you've definitely heard a few things when you're up there. Did anyone ever report anything similar to like language or something that sounded like language or anything like that. If you're talking about like that samurai chatter one, No, okay, I never heard anything like that, gotcha. If you're talking about that what's that guy's name, Oh, I can't think of that gentleman's name. He's got that Sierra sounds.

51:52 Yeah, I was. It's pretty much the same thing. That's what I was referring to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have never heard anybody say they heard anything like that. Got you. But you're sound, you're here in all sorts of things up there that is so interesting. It's it's crazier that I haven't heard more about this particular area. And maybe it's just because I'm not overly familiar with the Alaska bigfoot scene, but h man Klawok, Alaska definitely seems like it's the place you should go if you wanted to research. Is this a place you can just walk into though, or is it all like you have to be associated with the particular tribes in order to go to that area? Well, Um, it really depends, okay, because like Craig, Alaska is uh not a tribal town. It's actually a town for people who are like not natives. Um, and I don't native to Prince of Wales. I mean like people who are not a Native American.

53:05 A lot of them live there in Craig. And there's there's a guy out in Craig whose name might for the life of me, I cannot think of that man's name, but he researches bigfoot out there. He'll take you around. Um. Generally, it's a good idea to reach out to people online because there are there are like people out there in Craig or other places who let it be known that they are looking for Bigfoot on Prince of Wales.

53:46 Um. If you google it, you can usually find somebody's name pop up, and you can always email them and see what they have to say. Gotcha, do a little dig in. It sounds like you'll find him definitely, And like I said, I can offer the life of me think of that guy's name. I haven't talked him since like twenty eleven. I'm not even sure if he's even still alive, to be honest, gotcha, Yeah, he was an older man and I don't know if he's still living or even active. So, like I said, that was like you know, all those years ago. Oh yeah, exactly, Alex. This has been an amazing chat about an area of Alaska I think deserves more respect for sure. I know it gets my respect now, no question. I want to thank you for for coming on the show and for chatting for a bit.

54:46 I mean, we could talk for hours on all the stories I made. UM. No, I think I think we've covered the basics. I think we've covered enough. Um. The one thing that we do want to add though, is that just that a lot of people out there think that the interdimensional Bigfoot stuff is Bigfoot. I just want to propose to people that it might not be a big foot, it really might be a shape shift in spirit. Now, I'm not saying to people who are diehard believers a bigfoot is an interdimensional travel or traveler or a UFO not or whatever. I wouldn't for the life of me disparage them. I know people have had their experiences, and I know they believe what they believe, and so I would never try to challenge that or disrespect that. But I would just like to put a bug in somebody's ear, you know, to just think about that when you're talking about bigfoot and saying that they're associated with the orbs or UFOs or like they walk into a forest and may disappear and the tracks stop dead and there's nowhere for them to disappear. To that you might not actually have encountered a bigfoot. You might have encountered a skinwalker, a a'm a cook um or a coushaka or whatever. Just a thought, that's all I got.

56:15 Well, has been a lot of fun. Yeah, thank you for for coming on. Alex. Become a supporting member of the Bigfoot Society podcast by going to www dot Patreon dot com. Forward Slash the Bigfoot Society and receive extra episodes and early ad free episodes as well. If you've got a personal Bigfoot encounter to share, please contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and thanks for listening. Wh