Feb. 24, 2026

Navy Veteran’s 9-Foot Encounter in Colorado & Catskills Activity

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Season 1

In this episode, we delve into the extraordinary experiences of David, a Navy veteran and lifelong outdoorsman whose encounters span from the high elevations of Colorado to a secluded property in the foothills of the Catskills in upstate New York. During a late-summer backpacking trip near the Maroon Bells and Snowmass Lake, David describes coming face to face with towering glowing eyes in the darkness, followed by a night filled with deliberate wood knocks, strange vocalizations, and massive footprints pressed deep into mountain soil.


Years later, after purchasing a remote cabin surrounded by dense forest and protected land, the activity begins again. What starts as distant knocking and whoops gradually moves closer to the house, bringing unexplained odors, enormous tracks in deep snow with an impossible stride, violent pounding on a nearby structure, and a daylight sighting that leaves no room for doubt. As the months unfold, the experiences build in intensity, culminating in a moment that still echoes in David’s memory.


David shares his story with clarity and composure, offering detailed observations shaped by a lifetime spent outdoors. His account paints a compelling picture of activity across two very different regions of the country, raising questions about movement, territory, and long-term presence. Join us as we explore David’s gripping journey and the unsettling patterns that followed him from the Rockies to the mountains of New York.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the.

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Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever. So stay with

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us I Big for Society. You get the privilege of

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talking to Dave today. Dave is an individual. His background

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is he's an outdoorsman and also a Navy veteran. Thank

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you for your service there, sir, and he is going

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to be sharing two different encounters. He's had one in

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the state of Colorado and then also an extended experience

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that happened in upstate New York. So welcome to the

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show today, Dave. How are you doing today, sir?

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I'm doing well.

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Thank you.

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It sounds like we have some really interesting ground to

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cover today. I believe the first encounter you'll be sharing

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is during a backpacking hiking expedition.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, that's right. So I let me back up for

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a second. I grew up in Ohio, in central Ohio,

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close to Cashockton in Licking County, right basically right on

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the line of looking into Cashockton County. So I've always

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had an interest in Bigfoot because it was always talked about,

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you know, when I was a kid. I'm After college,

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I moved to New York City, where I lived for

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about twenty years in Manhattan, and during that time I

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got into hiking and backpacking. Because you live in the

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city and you're from the Midwest, you want to get

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out as much as possible. So I got into the habit,

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good habit of doing a lot of backpacking and camping.

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Never in New York, always out West, specifically in Colorado.

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So before this happened, I'd been going out there a

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few times and continued to go out. I'd go packing

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in the summer for a couple of weeks, and then

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I would go skiing in the winter, and did that

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religiously until I got older. There was only one incident

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I had in Colorado that was in August of two thousands.

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So my partner and I this particular trip, we started

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in the Maroon Bells Wilderness and you go up this

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pass over mountain we camped. We got off to a

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late start, so we camped right over the first mountain

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in the Maroon Bells and woke up the next day

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and nothing happened. Everything was fine. I woke up the

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next day and it was a heck of a hike

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through the Bell's Wilderness for our first time doing it,

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and I just wasn't prepared at all. And the plan

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that day was to go to this lake at the

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end of the wilderness that that area called Crater Lake.

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And it was a really dry summer that summer. We

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got there and we were running out of water. We

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got there and there was no lake. It was they're

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like puddles. It was like sludge, and we panicked because

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we were running out of water. But there was We

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didn't see any There was one stream at the beginning

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of the Bells Wilderness, but nothing that we found at

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least the trail that we had taken. No water at all.

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So but I recall passing a trail going up the

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next path to get to snow Mass Lake, which is

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where we were headed. I recall there being a stream there,

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so we backtracked. It was getting late. We backtracked, went

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up this trail, so we didn't want to go all

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the way up the mountain because elevation is always a problem,

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you know. We were still kind of adapting to the

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altitude and it was exhausting. So and anybody who's been

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on this trail knows exactly what I'm talking about. But

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you you you go through the Bellsilderness and then you

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go up this trail to go over another mountain pass

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that will take you down into Snow Mass to Snow

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Mass Lake and the Snow Mass Wilderness. So we hiked

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up now and it had not rained for weeks, but

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just so happens, we saw storm clouds coming in because

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that's just how it works usually, and we I want

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to say, it wasn't that far up that pass. It

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memory memory serves. We probably hiked for for forty five

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minutes or something up this pass and the first the

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first place that we found to camp because we were

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just looking for a place to camp that was near

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the water, and this creek it had been so dry,

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it was just a small stream. It was probably two

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feet across and pretty shallow, but it was still free.

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It was still running water, so we knew that we

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could filter it and drink it. So the first place

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that we found was a ledge going up the pass

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to our left, and there had been a campfire there,

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so we knew that people had camped there before. So

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we pitched our tent, got water ate a little bit,

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and I was so tired. Uh it was it just

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started getting dark and I passed out, fell asleep. Now

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I don't know I was asleep for maybe. When I

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fell asleep it was light, and when I woke up

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it was dark. But I had to go to the bathroom.

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Now my partner was next to me and he was

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reading a book. He had his head lantern on when

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I so I said, I have to go to the bathroom.

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But I couldn't be near the tent, so I had

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to walk far away. So I got out of the

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tent and as soon as i so, there was a

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small trail going off the main main path to the tent.

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And as I looked up that little trail, I hadn't

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had my my lantern on yet. So but this was

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back in two thousands, so they didn't have at least

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not that I was aware of LED. It was all

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just battery operated and I had like a double a

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battery operated headlamp, and but it wasn't on yet. There

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was just and it was very so it had actually

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rained before, so it was very wet and uh, super quiet,

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and there was a little bit of light coming from

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my partner's headlamp in the tent because he was still reading.

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And as I looked up the trail, there was there

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were two of the biggest eyes. So I have a

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lot of experience outdoors, and I've seen ey shine from

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from mountain lions, from bobcats, from bears, deer, everything, right

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this these eyes they looked like little headlights from a car,

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except they were it was it was a green light

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and it was there was no I can't explain it.

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But you know if if if you see a deer

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at night, and the reflection the refraction from from from

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light when it hits it, it has different like it

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illuminates differently, like it it's not a solid color, right,

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these things were solid green and they were huge. I

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my first thought was we have a bear, because there

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are black bears out there, But so I freaked out

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a little bit. Now, I mind you. I you know,

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later on something that my my partner pointed out was

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it was it was so quiet. It had rain, and

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you could still hear the rain dripping off the trees.

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It had stopped raining by the time I got out,

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but it seems like very quiet. You could I could

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hear the rain dropping off the trees when I got

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out of the tent. But I'm staring at this thing.

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I think it was fear. Everything just went super quiet,

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and I'm staring at this thing. And I reached up

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and I turned on my headlamp, and when I did,

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the eyes really lit up, and so much so that

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you could see the sides of the thing illuminated like lights,

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like headlights, it illuminated the size of its face. Now

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I saw skin. I saw a little bit of hair

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on the sides, but I saw skin, you know, the

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cheekbones basically, and the eyes. And it just stood there

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and stared at me. Now, I filed a report on BFRO.

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This was back in two thousand and I was very

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bad with distinspect them. And again, anybody who's been in

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Serian probably knows where this ledge is. But it's only

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about thirty five feet from where we were to where

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the tree was. That this to to where the trail

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was that this thing was standing next to a tree.

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I'm going to fast forward a bit. We went back

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the next year and I actually was able to gauge

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better on the distance. It was closer than I had

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originally thought. But I was stuck staring at this thing,

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and I couldn't move. It didn't move, it didn't blink,

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it didn't do anything. It just stood there. And then

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I noticed behind it another set of eyes that were smaller.

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That was it was doing like a figure eight thing

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behind it. It was like bobbing back and forth behind

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this bigger one, and every once in a while it

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would get between its legs right so you could see

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this thing like moving behind it. And I just about

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crapped my pants because I had to go to the

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bathroom and they didn't know what I was going to do.

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But I couldn't speak, I couldn't move. It's like I

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was frozen staring at this thing. And again it didn't move.

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And this went on for quite a while. At some point,

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I want to say not quite a minute, but close

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to a minute. It's always hard to gauge time when

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you know, it stands still like that. But it was

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there a while because I started sputtering, trying to say

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my partner's name to get him to come out, but

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I just couldn't have like but but you know, like that,

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I just couldn't speak. And finally he's he talks, He's like,

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whats wrong, And I'm like, you have to come out here.

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You have to look at this thing. So he he

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went to open the tent, and when he did, this

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thing blinked. So at this point my eyes had adjusted

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enough that I could see more of it, but I

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could just see an outline, and it was big. It

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was really big, really tall, and it blinked and it turned.

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It turned and walked down the trail and the thing

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behind the little one behind it. I'm assuming that's what

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it was. I don't know what else it could have been.

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Like was was right on its legs and it looked

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at me, and it seemed to me moving with it

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in its stride if I made I don't know if

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it was holding onto its legs or what, but it

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was it walked down the trail. I freaked. My partner

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didn't see it, he said, he said it was a

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bear or something. I jumped back in the tent. I

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decided not to go to the bathroom. I was just

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gonna hold it. And I got back in the tent,

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and I was in a panic because I knew what

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whatever it was was big enough to harm us. The

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little tent was not gonna protect me in any way,

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us in any way. So I got back in the

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tent and I'm shaking, trying to process what I had seen.

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And my partner said, you know, when you were sleeping

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and it was raining, I heard something coming down the

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trail and it sounded like it was making deliberately, you know,

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heavy footsteps, like at first he thought it was campers

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coming down. But trust me, there's nobody up there. And

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this is towards the end of August, I believe, and

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there's an't many campers up there. You can get really

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cold at night and even snow that time of year

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in the in the Rockies, in the Colorado Rockies, so

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there just weren't that many people out. We didn't see

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anybody hiking in and only saw people when we got

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to Snow Mass and there was only like one other

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couple there. It was that late in the season. So

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I thought that was weird, like how could you hear

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something like if you walk down a trail, you don't hear.

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But he said it was still light when you heard

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them coming down, and they stopped by our our by

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that place where we had had had had put our tent,

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and it had stopped on the trail near our tent. But

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he didn't think anything of it. As to why, I

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had no idea, But I have to assume that it

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was standing there and staring at us for quite a

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while and but never smelled anything, never hurt anything at

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that point. So I got in the tent. I was

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in a panic. He told me about the footsteps he heard,

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and then I'm trying to process that, like how how

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could that be? And I didn't get much sleep that night.

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I was anything anything at all that I heard, I

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would wake up and at one point that's when the

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knocking started. And there were so where we were, so

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on this ledge. Our tent was close to the to

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the to the edge where you could just walk down

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this little ravine and get to the water. But there

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was a nature trail there that went down, so obviously

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something was using this that walkway to get down past

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the ravine onto the other side where there were a

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bunch of woods, a bunch of trees. So this thing

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was on the side nearest our tent, in the woods,

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directly over to the side of the tent and just knocking,

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and it was it was two knocks and it would stop,

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and then it would knock again and it would stop.

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And this went on all night. This went on several

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times enough to keep me awake. Every time I would

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kind of doze off, it would wake me right up.

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And my partner he passed out. He just was out out.

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And at one point this another thing. It went quiet again,

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like you could hear the rain. It rained really hard,

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not the rest of the night after that, like we

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have a torrential rain. And then it stopped, but you

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could still hear the rain drops hitting the leaves and stuff.

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There was a little bit of wind, but not much,

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but you could hear rain hitting leaves all night. And

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for whatever reason, at one point that I couldn't hear anything,

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like there's nothing, like you're in a vacuum almost, And

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the something approached the tent, but I didn't hear it

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until it was right outside the tent.

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It was like a like that.

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And right like feet away from my head, from our heads,

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and I just about lost it again. I couldn't and

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I couldn't move. I think it was fear. I couldn't move.

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I had a we had bare spray, and I had

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a big hunting knife that I always I still have

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and I always carry it with me. I just couldn't move,

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and I was trying to get my partner to wake up,

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and he was out. So I slowly moved my hand

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so my sleeping bag. Whenever you moved your hand or something,

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it made a little bit of noise, you know. I

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was trying to be quiet. Apparently I wasn't, because when

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it heard me go for my knife, it turned and

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walked down that ravine onto the other side of the woods,

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very quick moves, so fast, like it happened just like that,

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like the thing was standing there. I didn't smell anything,

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but something was definitely there. And then it started beating

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on trees down the ravine on the other side. Immediately,

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like within a minute, it started beating on trees, and

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that woke my partner up. So as soon as the

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sun came up. You usually when we wake up in

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the morning, you you know, you want to dry your tent,

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you know, you want to lay everything out and get

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it dry and stuff. There is none of that. We

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packed everything up wet and got out of there. It

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didn't really say much to each other actually, just like

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we have to go and walking up that so we

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made it up super early, made it the snow mass

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in record time, I can tell you that. And going

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up the trail there were footprints and that you know,

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clinched it for my partner. It's like, you know, like that,

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really it's amazing. And I got a picture of one

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of them. So there were two sets. There was a

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big one and a little one, and the little one

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I wear a thirty and putting my foot next to it.

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This was probably like maybe a sixteen inch footprint, but

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it was really wide and I'll actually find that picture

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and send it to you so you can show it.

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But the big one you can actually see where my

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foot is. I actually stepped in it. Now. What I

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found interesting about these prints is that it had been

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so dry up until that rain. It still seemed like

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and the ground was saturated, but it wasn't like if

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you walked on it, you couldn't make an impression at all,

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but this thing made an impression and led me to

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believe it was super heavy. I can't gauge the weight

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of it, but even the small one was heavy, heavier

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than I am, and I'm at the time, I think

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I was one seventy. I'm closer to one ninety now.

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But I just couldn't process what could make these prints,

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and so we made it up over the pass. Now,

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what I recall was as we got up to the

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top of that pass, over to the right, and I

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don't know if it's the east west north side, I

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don't know, but over to my right on this path

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there was almost like a flat area with a bunch

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of woods, and there were impressions coming. I don't know

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if they were footprints, but there were impressions coming from

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those woods onto the path. It led me to believe

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that whatever these things were, they were in that area,

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and so like they didn't come up over the pass

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from Snow Mass they'd come from this area at the

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top of the pass. I don't know why I thought that,

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is just I just had a feeling those were footprints

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that weren't quite defined enough for me to say they

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were footprints, but I was maybe want to get out

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of there. I'll tell you that. So we made it

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over the pass into snow Mass. We were there by

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like I think eleven am if that maybe earlier, but

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we had the whole day. It's snow Mass Lake, super

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cold water, went swimming in the lake, had a great time.

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That night, the knocking started again and there was knocking

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all over. It wasn't just like so you'd hear a knock,

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and this is right at snow Mass Lake and there's

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plenty of places to camp there. There was one other

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camping site. We wanted to keep away from them, but

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we we were close enough we could see them, but

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there was knocking beyond them, and then there was knocking

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on the other side, like they were communicating. But these

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were instead of two knocks, they were three knocks, sometimes two,

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sometimes three. But they were always the same. I'm cadence,

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Like it wasn't just random, Like it wasn't always kept

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the same cadence was I thought was really interesting, Like

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it was, you know, knock knock or knock knock, knock, knock,

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and then on the other side you'd hear knock, knock, knock, knock,

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the same cadence. The slow Knox will be answered with

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slow knocks, fast fast. It's very strange. That kept me

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up all night. At this point, I was so exhausted.

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We did hear woops. That was my first time hearing wolves.

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I didn't I didn't know if it was a cat.

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I didn't know what it was. And this is before

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I knew anything about whooping. But we did hear a

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lot of that, but nothing came near the camp site,

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but just enough to get on our nerves and keep

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me on my toes and exhaust me. We were supposed

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to stay it snow masks for two days. We only

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stayed for one. We left, and so this is part

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of the loo. So you go up another pass to

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this place called Geneva Lake, and we get to Geneva

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Lake and I'm I'm tired as anything. I had slept

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in a couple of nights, and as soon as we

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pitched our tent, I passed out and I didn't hear

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anything but my partner all night long he was hearing

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knocks and wolves again in Geneva Lake, and I had

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no reason to disbelieve him. I was just so exhausted

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I just slept through all that. So instead of spending

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an extra day at Geneva. So we just kept believe

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every time we heard it, I didn't want to stay.

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We would just leave. So next morning we packed up,

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we left, and that's when we went all the way

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through this small town of Crystal that you go past

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to go up Crystal Cannon to get back to Crystal.

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But so that is the Colorado story.

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That's absolutely incredible stuff. Dave, Mike Goodness. I have a

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few questions for you, just just to make sure that

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it's documented, because I don't think I heard it said.

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So the eyes on the larger one, how wide across?

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Would you estimate that those eyes were? Like the space

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between the two eyes.

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Not not very It didn't that. That's not what struck me.

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It wasn't the distance between the eyes. I mean, that didn't.

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I don't know if I can answer that, because I'm

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not good. It seemed proportional to the head. Okay, they

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weren't far apart. It's the size of them that got me,

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because they were just so big and bright. And I again,

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I've seen a lot of eye shine, especially after living

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up here in upstate New York. I've seen every kind

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of animal and eye shine and nothing's ever even so

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growing up in Ohio. I grew up in the country

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in Ohio. So I've seen it all, I thought, And

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I've seen eye shine from everything, you know, from cats

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to bears, deer, everything, and I've never seen eyes like this.

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It was it was like, like I said, like two headlights,

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but they were green, really really green.

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Right.

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Another distance question, how how far off the ground would

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you estimate that?

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Yeah, I initially thought so. That first year, we didn't

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really hang. We left, we didn't we didn't stay to

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measure anything, or we just got out of there. The

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following year we went back, same same trail, and we

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actually spent more time there, not not on this pass,

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but we camp there again. And that's when I that

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same tree was there, that this thing was standing next to,

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and I was able to go up and measure it,

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and it was probably about nine feet tall, nine feet

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off the ground. The small one was honestly, it looked

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really agile.

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It was.

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Anywhere from three to five feet. It was just moving

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so fast, and this weird elliptical figure eight way and

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up and down, and you know, seemed very agile. I

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couldn't tell the size of that, but anywhere from three

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to five feet tall. That one was. But again, I

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don't know if it was climbing behind this thing in

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the back. I just don't know. But it was fast,

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it was moving very fast.

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Thank you.

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Can you explain what the difference between something that is

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wood knocking verse something that is beating on trees? Like,

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how how does that sound different?

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No, I'm sorry, whenever I say beat on trees, I'm

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talking about knocking.

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Oh okay, good, got cha, Yeah, got cha. Sorry.

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And I asked that because I've actually experienced waking up

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at three am and something was beating on trees, and

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so I was curious if you had the same experience.

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But okay, so that's good to know.

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I don't know what they're It sounded to me like,

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so I have a where I live now, I have

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a tepee out in the woods, and I have these

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you know how they tps have lodge poles that hold

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the thing together. Right, So I had some extra lodge

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poles and one of them broke. And this was years ago,

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but I banged them together, and when I did, that's

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exactly what it sounded like. Two heavy pieces of wood

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being hit together sounded exactly like these large poles.

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That I beat together. Gotcha, but yeah.

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No beating. I whant to say beat on trees.

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I'm talking about woodknocks. Gotcha, gotcha?

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I would say, might not leave this in But the

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the other weird thing I noticed in my situation was

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there was definitely no pattern when it.

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Was just like when, why? Why?

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Why? Why?

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And when whatent like there was no pattern to it woodknocks.

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Definitely there's a pattern, like you said in your encounter,

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Yeah wow, So how long was it after that happened?

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How long did you wait.

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To share your experience or did you?

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Did you share?

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I shared it immediately I contact could b f r

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oh as soon as I got so, I well, not immediately.

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It was we were in Crusted Butte for for almost

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two weeks. Uh well in Colorado, I'm sorry for two weeks.

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Were Encrusted Butte for a week. But but driving we

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from Denver to to crest Abute, Gunnison the crest a Butte.

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Driving back, we stopped in Breckenridge, and that's when I

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reached out to and I think I filed the report. Well,

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I've written it out. I wrote it out when I

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was in crest Abute, But I uh, you know, typed

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it and sent it to b f RO within a

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couple of weeks.

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Gotcha.

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I would say, if anyone is listening they have an encounter,

462
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.960
immediately write it down. Immediately write down everything that happened

463
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.839
if you can, because your memory will sometimes play tricks

464
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:46.839
on you. And just write it, write it down.

465
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.799
Yeah, And when I went back, this is funny, you

466
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.160
can how you can distort. So I had gone back

467
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:55.720
to read that report I filed, and I'd forgotten about

468
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.559
a lot of it. I wish I could read it verbatim.

469
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:07.200
I mean, but you know, even then, it's it's always

470
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:09.799
best to write it down when it happens, because your

471
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.039
mind can play tricks on you.

472
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:12.240
Absolutely.

473
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:16.000
Is it okay to link that report to this episode

474
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:17.319
so people can read that.

475
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.599
Yeah, just note that I in the report, I think

476
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.960
I said I was like seventy feet away. It definitely

477
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.160
was not seventy feet It was much closer. And I

478
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.119
was a bad right, I just I didn't measure anything

479
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:31.640
when I was there because we just got the heck

480
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:36.240
out of there, So that's sort of a mistake on

481
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.880
my part. But it was closer, and anybody who's been

482
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:43.440
there knows this ledge for sure, because it's the only one.

483
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.599
There's actually there's a ledge towards the base, and then

484
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:49.680
there's another one up at the top. The following year

485
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.559
when we went back, we actually stayed at the top

486
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.920
and nothing. Didn't hear anything, nothing happened. But in the

487
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:02.000
morning I heard something outside the tent, but it was

488
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:05.359
the sun was out up and everything. I slowly unzipped

489
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:09.640
the tent and there was a mountain goat, big white goat,

490
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.200
you know, like right there within a couple of feet,

491
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.039
just staring at me. And as soon as it saw me,

492
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:16.599
it booked up the It was cool to watch it

493
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.200
actually climb the Sheer mountain. It was amazing to me

494
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:25.400
how how agile those things are. But so yeah, there's

495
00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:28.119
there's like two ledges that you can camp on if

496
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:29.880
you go up this path to get the snow Mass

497
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.240
Lake from the Maroon Bell's Wilderness.

498
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:33.640
That's really cool.

499
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:36.160
And I mean then there is a potential food source

500
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.200
there as well, if you've got mountain goats and probably

501
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:43.359
other things as well as since it's Colorado. But yeah, Dave,

502
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.599
those are those are the questions I have for your

503
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.640
first encounter. Would you would you be able to UH

504
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:53.559
to proceed with sharing what happened in upstate New York.

505
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.839
Sure, this is a bit longer. It went over the

506
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.480
course of a year and some odd months we did.

507
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:06.319
I didn't have the sense to my partner, the same

508
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:13.160
guy that went to me to Colorado. He's an MD,

509
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.440
he's a doctor, so he keeps really good, you know,

510
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.920
records of everything. He had the sense to keep a

511
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:26.920
journal of all this from the time when we realized

512
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.599
what was going on up until the time when it

513
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.400
stopped and how it stopped. So it's good that he

514
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.039
did that because there's no way out to remember all

515
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.759
this stuff. So I'm going through it. It's like twenty

516
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:44.640
pages long. I just want to highlight some of the

517
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:48.559
stuff because a lot of it is just sort of boring,

518
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:56.759
I guess. But so how I ended up here. It

519
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:01.759
started back. So after this happened, I got in touch

520
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:09.799
with a sasquatch group and did some volunteer work, you know,

521
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:14.640
some research work for a while. And one of the

522
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.240
guys in this group had told me about I'm sure

523
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.440
you've seen it, you know that the baby bigfoot, the

524
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.640
swinging in the tree. Have you ever seen that?

525
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:26.319
Yes? Yes, I know, which one you're talking about.

526
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.759
Yeah, I think it was in It was on YouTube

527
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.160
for a while or something. You can find it, or

528
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.119
I could find it. But he had reached out to

529
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.039
me and said, this happened in the New Pulse area

530
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:44.200
of New York. Now I have, having lived in Manhattan,

531
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:51.119
never ever went upstate, never gave it any thought. So

532
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:54.839
you know, driving in New York City was enough to

533
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.160
throw me into a panic. But you know, he asked

534
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:58.440
if I could go up to New York or to

535
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.599
New Pulse. This area. It wasn't in newpouls it was

536
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.119
right outside in Newpole's asked if I would go up

537
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:09.480
and investigate. So I did. I got a friend's car,

538
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.719
braved the city, the streets of New York City and

539
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.199
made it over the George Washington Bridge and the Palisades,

540
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:23.119
and you know, made it there at an hour our twenty.

541
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.159
I think it was not far from the city. But

542
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.920
after investigating that area, I just fell in love with it.

543
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:36.679
I had no idea this was up here. And I

544
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:38.719
don't know what year that was, but it was like

545
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.880
a year later or two years later when we ended

546
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:49.480
up looking upstate for a home. Because you know, if

547
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.159
you're a Manhattan night. You tend to not want to

548
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:57.440
be in Manhattan on weekends, especially in the summer, so

549
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.000
you either go to the Hampton's or you know, somewhere

550
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:05.920
on Long Island or the Hudson or something. But people

551
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.880
just tend to not be in the city. So we

552
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.920
had a lot of friends who had homes everywhere, so

553
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:13.360
we started looking up here. And I don't want to

554
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:18.039
give an exact location, but it's in It's about two

555
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.480
hours two and a half hours from New Paults in

556
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:26.000
the mountains in the Catskills, the foothills of the cat Skills. Anyway,

557
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:30.440
Our house is at about twelve hundred feet elevation on

558
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.000
a mountain. Well I call it a mountain, but it's

559
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:40.320
a They actually mined this area for when they were

560
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:44.119
building New York City for stone and lumber, so we

561
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.239
actually have huge quarries on our property of where they

562
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.480
mind bluestone for New York City, which is pretty cool.

563
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:56.880
So ended up finding this place, moved here, closed on

564
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:00.519
the house in November of two thousand and four, and

565
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:11.960
moved in that weekend and loved it. It's on thirty acres.

566
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:17.400
There's a no neighbors, there's there are neighbors down the road.

567
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.079
It's on a dirt road, but there's no really no

568
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:27.719
neighbors here. There's a hunting preserve next door to the

569
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.280
to the cabin we have. That's a seven hundred and

570
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:38.320
fifty acre preserve, and then there's you know, another thirty

571
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.639
five four thousand acres of just state land. So I

572
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:44.360
have a drone now and I'll fly it around. It's

573
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:48.360
pretty cool. There's nothing here down the mountain. About a

574
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:53.280
mile and a half down is a river where I

575
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.320
do a lot of fly fishing. Now, that's sort of

576
00:36:55.320 --> 00:37:04.559
the layout. So the house is on a incline, about

577
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.039
twenty degree incline. So the front of the house you

578
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:11.079
can tell us a two story cabin, but in the

579
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:15.039
back it's actually three floors. So the back half of

580
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:20.039
the back of the house is underground, and it's about

581
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:25.239
thirty two to thirty five foot distance from the top

582
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.559
of the roof to the ground in the back of

583
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.719
the house. In the front there's only like an eight

584
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:33.280
foot so it's pretty steep going down. It's a twenty

585
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:38.920
five hundred square foot house and there's a driveway, so

586
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.360
when you pull in, there's a long drive and it

587
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:47.880
goes around the back of the house to a garage

588
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:57.320
in the back and the driveway in the back. The

589
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:03.599
driveway in the back is so it's so hard to

590
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.920
explain how this is situated. But the house is on

591
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.400
an incline. So so if you're in the back of

592
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:10.760
the house and you go up to the screened and

593
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:15.880
porch and you look down, you see a lot of woods. Uh.

594
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:19.280
So it's almost like you're in a canopy. So you're

595
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.400
you're in the trees up here. But then when you

596
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.760
look down, you know, you just see woods, but you

597
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:29.519
can see for for a good well right now, it's winter,

598
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:32.800
so you can see for a good you know, two

599
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:38.159
hundred yards down and then it goes down, so there's

600
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:42.599
there's a an incline, then it goes flat for a while,

601
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.760
and then there's another, uh incline. It just goes all

602
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:48.280
the way down the mountain like that. So if you

603
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:52.639
go down into these woods, you can get lost very easily.

604
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.920
But you just keep going downhill, you'll hit the river.

605
00:38:56.119 --> 00:39:05.159
You'll be fine. But so the first it didn't think

606
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:09.920
anything of Bigfoot up here, nothing like the I mean,

607
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:11.559
we just bought a house that was beautiful, was so

608
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:13.920
happy to have it. It was a lot of work,

609
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.960
but it was one of the first weekends. So what

610
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.199
we would do this was weekend home at first, so

611
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.639
we would come in on a Friday Friday night. We

612
00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.880
would leave early Monday morning, and it takes about two

613
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.760
and a half hours to get back to the city

614
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.360
from here, so we would leave at about three point

615
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.400
thirty four in the morning. Just to make it. You'd

616
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:39.880
have to go over Bare Mountain and to the Palisades

617
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.599
and then over the gw B at the George Washington Bridge,

618
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.519
and you'd want to be at the George Washington Bridge

619
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.119
before six am because that's when the traffic really starts.

620
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.360
So we just kind of figured that out fast. So

621
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.199
maybe it was a third or fourth weekend. It was

622
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:59.719
cold that fall was super cold. This was probably mid

623
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:05.119
to of four and I'm the one who packed up

624
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.039
the car. So we had a Nissan Xterra at the time,

625
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:09.760
So I popped the hatch in the back and I

626
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.360
was loading it up, probably quarter to four in the morning,

627
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:18.079
and there was a stench out there, like it smelled

628
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.400
like it was smelled like it was right there. It

629
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.280
smelled like a rotting deer. That's what I thought. Was.

630
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:25.960
It was a deer car. There was a deer that

631
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:29.159
maybe had died in her front yard or something. And

632
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.440
at the time, I've opened up a lot of this.

633
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.559
But when they built the house, they ran out of money,

634
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.039
so they didn't do any landscaping or anything. It was

635
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.440
just a big log cabin on the side of a

636
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:47.679
mountain with no landscaping. It was just raw. So over

637
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:49.880
the years I've cleaned it all up and stuff. But

638
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:54.760
back then you had from the front of the house.

639
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:58.039
You had the driveway that went straight across the front

640
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.199
of the house, and then you had woods probably ten

641
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.400
feet from there, so you had a bunch of pine

642
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.400
trees and oak trees and stuff right there. You could literally,

643
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.119
I mean it was just literally the house was set

644
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.880
in the middle of the woods and I was looking out.

645
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:14.840
I couldn't see anything. It was dark, but I was

646
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.360
looking out trying to figure out what the smell was

647
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:19.239
coming from. It was so bad that you know, if

648
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.719
you smell a bad smell, you instinctively just stop breathing

649
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:24.559
or breathe through your mouth. It was that bad. It

650
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.960
was punching, and it just suddenly So when I went

651
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:30.519
out and I was packing and I had the luggage

652
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:34.239
and stuff. I didn't smell anything. I popped the hatch

653
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.079
and as I'm loading it, that's when the smell hit.

654
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.320
And it was sudden and it was it was harsh,

655
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.760
and it just reeked. It smelled like deer and sewage,

656
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:48.280
rotting carcass and sewage, and it was horrendous. So I

657
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.880
stopped breathing. I closed the hatch of the truck and

658
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:52.960
I went back in the house. I came in and

659
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.119
I my Greg, there's a dead deer in our front yard.

660
00:41:57.199 --> 00:42:00.599
It was so cold then, there's no way. He's like,

661
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.559
you know, day, there's no way because it's too cool there.

662
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.239
You know, you can't. Nothing's going to be rotting in

663
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:13.400
this with in this temperature. So I'm like, well, come

664
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.599
out here. So we both went out and smell was gone.

665
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:16.119
Nothing.

666
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:20.039
I didn't think anything of it. That was it went

667
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:26.239
back to the city. Following weekend, we ah came back

668
00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:31.039
to the cabin. So we were both smokers at that time,

669
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:38.480
and I mean heavy smokers, not anymore, thankfully, but we

670
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.440
both smoked cigarettes constantly, and we would always go into

671
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.880
the back porch that looked down into the woods and

672
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:53.280
we'd smoke. You know, drink beer, smoke, talk whatever. So

673
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:54.880
we spent a lot of time out there in the

674
00:42:54.920 --> 00:43:00.360
back and every time we'd go back at night, we

675
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:10.239
would hear things and we would hear tree knocking and whooping,

676
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.320
and that that was probably we were only there a

677
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:20.280
month at that point. It was you know, mid to

678
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:28.039
late December and cold, uh, and I remembered Colorado, and

679
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.920
that's when I put it together. I'm like, oh God,

680
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.679
they're here, you know, Like now, I didn't believe that

681
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.199
baby bigfoot story. I mean, I went to investigate just

682
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:43.000
because and you know, obviously in that area, I think

683
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.280
they are around there, but I just didn't give it

684
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:50.000
much thought. I just didn't think about it. But when

685
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.679
they started whooping and knocking here, I was like, oh, no,

686
00:43:54.320 --> 00:44:03.960
you know they're here too. So we got so back.

687
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:09.079
Then this went on for about a month and there

688
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:12.360
there were no footprints. We didn't smell anything other than

689
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.679
the whooping and knocking, which was pretty far. So it's

690
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.199
a mile and a half from our house down to

691
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:21.199
the river. So down in these woods though, there's a

692
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.320
bunch of ravines, there's a couple of caves. There is

693
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:26.320
a logging road from when they used to log the

694
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.760
and mill up here that goes down. Now this logging

695
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.960
road is overgrown, but it's still visible. I've gone down

696
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.000
this road a couple of times, and there's areas down

697
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:39.559
there that you just can't get into. It's it's a

698
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.960
bunch of briars and and really thick you know, forest

699
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.679
and everything. So I can't tell the distance, and the

700
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.880
acoustics up here a strange. I can't tell the I

701
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:58.440
couldn't tell the distance, but it was pretty far. And

702
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:03.079
this went on for a while. Well, we actually started

703
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:09.079
recording it. Greg started recording all this stuff over the months.

704
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:21.079
But so at one point, so this was in the winter, there's,

705
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:23.400
like I said, there's that hunting preserve next door. There's

706
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.800
actually a little cabin on this preserve next door, and

707
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:28.559
there was an old man that used to live there.

708
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.360
He's since passed away, but there's an old man that

709
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:34.519
used to live there. And he and his son came

710
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:39.639
over one afternoon, knocked on my door and he's like, ah,

711
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:41.599
you've got the house. You know, I really wanted to

712
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.840
buy this house to expand our property. Good on you

713
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:46.400
and all this stuff. And we were talking. He's like,

714
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:47.880
are you a hunter? And I'm like, no, I fit

715
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:51.480
like to fish. You know, I'll hunt if I have to.

716
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:53.840
I used to when I was younger. And he goes, well,

717
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.039
if you do hunt, and this is what stood out

718
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.199
to me was very weird. He goes, if you do hunt,

719
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.239
you know, be careful. If you think you're shooting at bear,

720
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.559
make sure you know what you're shooting at. And I'm like,

721
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:11.599
what are you talking about? And I didn't say anything

722
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.480
about bigfoot to him. It was in the back of

723
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.000
my mind. As soon as he said this, I knew

724
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:16.880
what he was talking about, but I wanted. I'm like,

725
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.480
I'm like, what are you talking about? And he said, well,

726
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:24.239
there's this bear up here. And I saw it a

727
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.960
couple of weeks ago, standing up against a tree and

728
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.199
just staring at me. And I knew not to shoot

729
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:34.840
at that one. And I'm like what And so, you know,

730
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.639
I was trying to get something out of him, but

731
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.199
and his son didn't say a word, just sitting there

732
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:42.559
and smiling, you know, looking around, looking at the house.

733
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.800
He goes, yeah, just be careful, just be careful. And

734
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.599
I'm like, okay, you know, I'm I'm not a I'm

735
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.239
not a bear hunter. But I'll heed your advice or

736
00:46:54.239 --> 00:47:01.559
something like that. So that was that. You know, they left,

737
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.440
They saw who bought this house, and they were, you know,

738
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:07.679
nice pleasure to meet, you know all that, and they

739
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:15.960
left and that was it. So throughout so from like

740
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:27.400
November through probably yeah, mid January, it was just a

741
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.760
bunch of knocking and more knocking than whooping. We only

742
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:36.519
heard whoops occasionally, but we heard them, and there's it

743
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.519
sounded exactly like the same whoops that we heard in Colorado,

744
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.199
exactly the same. The knocks sounded exactly the same. If

745
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:45.719
I didn't know any better, I think that these things

746
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:52.039
followed us from Colorado, right. But so.

747
00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:04.800
In January, this is probably the second week of January,

748
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.199
because we had friends up for the first time from

749
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:07.880
New York City.

750
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.840
Three friends came up and I had a ping pong table. So,

751
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.280
like I said, the acoustics are weird up here. You

752
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:18.000
can hear everything. And we had a ping pong table

753
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:19.639
at the time that was in the garage. There's nothing

754
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:21.599
else in the garage except for a ping pong table.

755
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:23.760
So all the guys would go down there and we

756
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:30.960
play ping pong. We were drinking that night, I went

757
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.840
to bed I want to say around eleven ish or so.

758
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.840
I've never been able to stay up late, but they

759
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.000
stayed up and they were playing ping pong. You could

760
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.679
hear the ping pong so so. And because we always

761
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:47.280
say the way this cabin's design, like has a wood

762
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:50.440
burning fireplace on the main floor, has a blower on it,

763
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.119
and when you had that going, it'll heat the whole house.

764
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.760
It gets super hot upstairs though, because it's an open

765
00:48:56.800 --> 00:48:59.199
floor plan, you know, so the heat would come straight

766
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.679
up into into the bedroom upstairs where I slept, and

767
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.840
I would always have the windows cracked to you know,

768
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.800
get that heat out. So no matter how cold it was,

769
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:12.320
it was always warm in that room, and I would

770
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.920
always have the windows cracked. And as they were playing

771
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.280
ping pong, I was sort of falling asleep to the

772
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:25.599
sound of the ping pong table when really I again,

773
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:28.440
because of the acoustics, it's hard to say how close

774
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.199
it was, but it was so close that I could

775
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:35.199
feel it vibrating my my my head. This thing started

776
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:40.159
knocking outside, probably within a couple hundred feet of the house,

777
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.440
if not closer, Like I'm convinced that it was listen.

778
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.920
It could hear the ping pong table and had responded

779
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:52.800
to that or something. But I shot up out of

780
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.079
my bed as soon as I shot now, so I

781
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:57.920
was listening to it. It knocked a few times. It

782
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.559
was super close. I panicked and I sat straight up,

783
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:03.400
and when I did, the knocking stopped. And but it

784
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.599
was dark in my room. Maybe it saw me. I

785
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.599
don't know how because it was pitch black where I was,

786
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:11.840
but it must have seen me, because as soon as

787
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:12.280
I got.

788
00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:12.880
Up it stopped.

789
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:19.239
I ran downstairs and grabbed another beer. I'm like, you know,

790
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.480
I'm not going to bed now. Didn't say anything to

791
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:25.960
the guys, just you know, let it go. So there

792
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:32.280
was that. That So that was. That was a Friday night,

793
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:38.679
Saturday night, normal night. They played ping pong for a while,

794
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:45.599
we all went to bed. I fell asleep and I

795
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.840
had the windows closed. I didn't hear anything. But my

796
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.400
friend ed, who was downstairs, so his bedroom was directly

797
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:57.719
below mine, but he had his windows cracked, and he

798
00:50:57.920 --> 00:51:02.360
said that he heard something knocking and screaming outside. The next morning,

799
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:05.320
this is Sunday morning, we wake up. He's like, there

800
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:07.800
was something knocking and screaming outside and it kept me

801
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.320
up all night and I look at Greg and we

802
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:12.559
kind of smile, and i'm can you explain it? And

803
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.280
he exactly the same kind of knocks, like two knocks,

804
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:20.679
and then this screaming, and I didn't know, you know,

805
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.079
he said it sounded like a woman screaming. He thought

806
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.480
it was our neighbors. But we don't have neighbors, right,

807
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:28.480
He goes, do you have a neighbor next door who's

808
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:32.599
some woman that's just really weird. I didn't hear anything,

809
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:35.719
but I thought that was noteworthy because he did. And

810
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:37.599
I was a little jealous because I had never heard

811
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.440
of a scream before. But I didn't know what it was.

812
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:43.000
It could have been a cat. You know, we do

813
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.639
have bobcats and mountain lions up here. I mean, if

814
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:50.639
you if you ask the the park rangers around here

815
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.880
if there are mountain lions, they'll say no, but we've

816
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:57.639
seen them. So I just had to think maybe it

817
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.880
was a mountain lion, right. I didn't know what else

818
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:05.159
could have been, And the thought of of a sasquatch

819
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.480
up here screaming just never. I couldn't process that one.

820
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:15.199
So I just let it go. So the weekend of

821
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:20.199
so that was the weekend before so there was a

822
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:25.880
movie that came out called The Village by m Night

823
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:30.679
am i An or whatever his name is, And I

824
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:33.679
was really big into movies at that time, and always

825
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.639
as soon as the movie released on DVD, I'd buy

826
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:42.400
a copy. So that movie released on January eleventh of

827
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.719
two thousand and five, so this would have been on

828
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:49.440
the fifteenth, on a Saturday. So I don't know if

829
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:50.679
I bought it in the city or if I bought

830
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:52.639
it up here, but we did have the movie here

831
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:57.719
on Saturday the fifteenth, and it was just Greg and I.

832
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:06.000
We watched The Village and we had gone downstairs for

833
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.199
a smoke. We paused the movie, went downstairs onto this

834
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:14.760
porch in the back, and when I walked out back,

835
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:18.400
I was the first one out there. I just had

836
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:23.239
a sense that I was being watched. And when Greg

837
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:29.480
came out, and this was a there was a big snowstorm,

838
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:33.440
big one. Several feet of snow fell in a matter

839
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:36.599
of hours that the only other time that happened was

840
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:39.360
just a few weeks ago. You know, the snow appears weird.

841
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.119
Sometimes you get a lot and sometimes you get none.

842
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.360
This was our first big winter here and it was

843
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:52.360
a massive snowstorm. But even though the snow was falling heavy,

844
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:56.079
you just didn't sit right with me, like something was

845
00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:00.440
going on, something was around. I had said to Greg,

846
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:02.920
you know, do you do you feel that? Do you

847
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:07.039
sense that? And he's like, yeah, I do, and just

848
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:12.239
as so so the front of the house, so there's

849
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:16.079
a there's a walk around deck all the way in

850
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:17.400
front of the house, so you can walk all the

851
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.639
way around the front of the house to the back porch,

852
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:21.719
or you can get to the bat back porch through

853
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:26.559
the through the through the house. Right, so we're looking

854
00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.639
over to the side of the house on the deck.

855
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.440
Something was drawing me there. As soon as I looked,

856
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:40.400
we heard this pop. Now it was loud, it was

857
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:42.639
that it was it was a board in the house.

858
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.000
I thought maybe that it was so cold that one

859
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.719
of the boards had snapped, or you know, I didn't

860
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.599
understand how would settled and all that kind of stuff.

861
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.840
I thought it was just a settling sound. But it

862
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:56.920
was loud enough that we put our cigarettes out and

863
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:00.639
went back inside. It scared us. I didn't want to

864
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.679
investigate it. Even though it was just feet away, I

865
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:05.880
didn't want to investigate it. We went back in the

866
00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:12.039
house went upstairs. Strangely enough, we didn't really talk about it.

867
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.480
At the end of the movie, we went back downstairs

868
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:18.800
and it stopped snowing for the most part. At that point.

869
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.440
We go back out and I turned on the light.

870
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.239
We have a big light that shines in the back

871
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:31.079
of the house and illuminates the whole backyard, and I

872
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:35.960
turned on the porch lights as well, just to feel

873
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:40.679
a little safer. And I didn't notice it. Greg did.

874
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.519
He's like, what's that? And I looked out and there

875
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:49.039
were footprints in the snow coming from under the house

876
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.679
down into the woods on the west side of the house.

877
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:59.559
And I immediately thought somebody had been walking around the house, right,

878
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.639
And I put on my boots. Wasn't prepared for how

879
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:06.760
deep the snow was, I'll tell you that. Put on

880
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:10.599
my boots, ran outside to go investigate. Greg followed me,

881
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:17.039
and the footprints were. It was directly so where we

882
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.360
had heard that pop is where this thing had been.

883
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.079
I'm assuming because of the heavy snow, it maybe was

884
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.119
just resting under the house or hiding under the house

885
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:34.360
or something, but it had left a trail from under

886
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.679
the house all the way into the woods, which is

887
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:45.719
a pretty far distance, probably fifty to seventy yards. But

888
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:48.880
what I didn't what didn't register with me at the time,

889
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:56.599
was the gate, right. So Greg's like, holy crap, look

890
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.159
at the gate on that thing. So when we're we're

891
00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:03.760
walking through the snow, you know, you have drag right,

892
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.599
like like you have to really pick your feet up

893
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:10.559
to walk in the snow without leaving a drag in

894
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:12.760
the snow. And let's say the snow is probably two

895
00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.559
and a half two feet deep. This thing there was

896
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:20.320
no drag, and it was about a five foot gate

897
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:25.079
between each step, and it was a straight line all

898
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:28.360
the way like that. Like if you look at our

899
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.320
prints next to the print this thing left, you know,

900
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:33.599
it looked like you're rolling a barrel down when we're

901
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:37.159
walking through it. But this thing had no drag, Like

902
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:41.119
it had to be big and have a huge step

903
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:45.360
to make it into the woods without any kind of.

904
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:48.760
Like what do you call it?

905
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.400
Like in the snow trail between the steps, they were

906
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:54.440
just perfect prints. Now you couldn't see the prince because

907
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:59.000
it was in snow, but they were big. And I

908
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.280
ran down to the woods to look and it went

909
00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:05.239
down the mountain. That's when I knew it couldn't have

910
00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.840
been a person, because first of all, who's in the

911
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.400
house is going to be out here in the middle

912
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.960
of nowhere hiding under our house and then run into

913
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.119
the woods. If anything, it would go out into the

914
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:21.400
to the street, not down into the woods. So I

915
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:25.039
turned around to talk to Greg, my partner, and he

916
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:28.719
was gone. He ran back into the house, so I

917
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.119
ran back in. I'm like, thanks, you know, Benedict for that,

918
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:36.599
but he's like, I don't know what that is, but

919
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.360
you know it's big and let's not mess with it.

920
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.199
So not that I was going to follow it or anything,

921
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:45.599
because it was very dark and cold and snowy, and

922
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:50.000
but that really kind of just sealed the deal for me, Like,

923
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:58.960
I knew that we had sasquatch up here, so I'm

924
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:01.039
going to fast forward. Because there was a lot that happened,

925
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:07.320
mostly just sounds audio, wood knocking, and whooping, pretty consistent.

926
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.239
Every weekend we'd come up here, we'd hear at least knocks,

927
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.239
sometimes you'd hear both, and sometimes it would just be

928
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.920
a few times on a Friday night or Saturday night.

929
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:18.360
Sometimes it would be Friday night, Saturday night, Sunday night.

930
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.840
But it. It was pretty consistent. I don't think there

931
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:29.199
was a weekend when we didn't hear something. So I'm

932
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:33.039
going to fast forward to May of two thousand and five.

933
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.920
I'd come up here alone for a weekend. Friday night.

934
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.039
Saturday night were uneventful. I heard knocks on a Saturday night,

935
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.079
but they were far away. And at that point, you know,

936
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.239
you get so used to it you just don't really

937
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:50.400
give it any thought. You're out, But mind you, I

938
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.079
was still smoking a lot. I didn't quit smoking until

939
00:59:53.480 --> 01:00:00.199
I think it was two thousand and fifteen, so I

940
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.000
was always smoking a cigarette outside and then you would

941
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:06.320
always hear stuff, but it get pretty used to it.

942
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:11.559
But it was a Sunday in May, in early May.

943
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.639
I was here alone Sunday morning. It was early in

944
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.239
the morning. I got up and I made coffee. I'm

945
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.519
an early riser. I usually get up quite early.

946
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:22.000
And.

947
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.000
The sun was just coming up. I was in the

948
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:28.880
back drinking a coffee and having a cigarette. Now I

949
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:32.039
get I'm I have a really good memory when it

950
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:38.440
comes to like, so one of my things that really

951
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:43.199
bother me about when you're looking down into the woods

952
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:45.800
from the back of the house. When they built the house.

953
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:51.039
They just bulldozed all of the trees and debris into

954
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.800
the back, like right at the at the tree line.

955
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:58.559
So it's a huge pile of garbage and trees and

956
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:01.199
rocks and everything. So I'd spent a lot of time

957
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.199
kind of removing all that, and I went down into

958
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.039
the woods and I cut down all the dead trees

959
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.119
that were standing because I just wanted a beautiful view

960
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:12.119
of the woods. So I was very aware of what

961
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.519
was out there in the back within view of the

962
01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:20.000
back of the house. And as I'm staring down there,

963
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:26.480
there's these two big pine trees, white pines probably, you know,

964
01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:34.480
seventy yards down the mountain. And I'm looking at these

965
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:37.239
two pine trees that I've seen, you know, hundreds of

966
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:41.079
times before, and there was another tree I thought was

967
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:44.159
a tree, a big stump, a big tall stump is

968
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:47.440
what it looked like to me, in between these two trees.

969
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:50.239
And that stump had never been there before. So I'm

970
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.519
looking at it because the first thing I thought was

971
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:55.320
how did I miss that one, like, you know, to

972
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:59.840
cut it down? And as I'm staring at it, it

973
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:06.280
had a leg, it walked, it took one step behind,

974
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.400
So there's there's a there's a tree to the right,

975
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:11.800
this thing in the middle, and then a tree to

976
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:17.239
the left, almost equally spaced right. This thing took one

977
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:20.880
step and went behind the tree to the left, and

978
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:24.440
I could see its form. I could see it standing there,

979
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:28.199
but it wasn't moving. And I didn't blink. I was

980
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:30.239
just staring at it, like what in that? And and

981
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:34.639
then I'm like, oh, it was a big foot. I

982
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:37.559
saw this thing. It didn't swing its arms at all.

983
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.639
It just took a step, almost like like it didn't

984
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:45.199
want to be seen. It saw me for sure, so

985
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:47.039
I was I can't tell you how long I was

986
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:52.320
staring at it, at least two cigarettes long. I'll tell

987
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.400
you because I lit another cigarette. I'm just staring at

988
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:58.599
this thing like it's just not moving, so I'm making noise,

989
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.599
I'm yelling. I'm like, hey, this thing didn't move, didn't

990
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:07.000
move an inch, but it was still there. So I

991
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.239
went to open the back door to go down the

992
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:14.239
steps to the ground level and go down and investigate.

993
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:17.400
I opened the door and then I don't know what

994
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:20.960
stopped me from going down, but I just didn't. I

995
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:26.079
just couldn't. I'm like, I'm alone. I don't know what

996
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:31.719
this thing is. And I just was processing and I'm

997
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.960
like that I'm not going to do it. So I

998
01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:37.159
went back in the house, got a glass of water,

999
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:39.440
and I decided I was going to go back to

1000
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:43.199
the city. I looked out back and it was gone

1001
01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:48.119
at that point, but that for sure I knew what

1002
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:51.800
it was. There was no doubt in my mind it was.

1003
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:52.320
It was.

1004
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:58.679
Even though I only saw the legs. It was pitch black.

1005
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:04.320
It was. It was black his pitch and very tall,

1006
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:09.400
probably about eight feet tall. I went down the following

1007
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:11.760
weekend and measured and it looked to be about eight

1008
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:17.159
feet tall and just scared the heck out of me.

1009
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:20.559
I I I'm like, they're really close to the house,

1010
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:25.119
and I didn't like. This thing was broad, thick, and

1011
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:30.440
uh sneaky.

1012
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:31.199
So that was that.

1013
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.000
I told Greg about it when I got home. I

1014
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.320
actually called him on the way back and I was

1015
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.199
very I was terrified. I left. I didn't stay. I

1016
01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:43.079
was supposed to be here all day. I didn't. I

1017
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:45.760
was going to say till Monday morning, and I didn't.

1018
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.639
I left Sunday. I left that morning. Sunday morning, I

1019
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.039
drove back to the city. I I'd rather be in

1020
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:55.920
Manhattan here alone, I'll tell you that. And called Greg

1021
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.360
and told him, and we talked about it, and he

1022
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.039
caught me down, and you know, it is what it is.

1023
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:04.280
Is we're not going to sell the place. It's fine.

1024
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:09.400
They've not done anything to us yet. And that was that.

1025
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:16.519
So that was in May, in and and so again.

1026
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:19.840
Every weekend we'd come up here, we'd hear knocks or

1027
01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:25.079
whoops or something. And mind you, I don't know if

1028
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:27.119
I said this earlier, but it wasn't just one whoop.

1029
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:28.719
There'd be a whoop and then there'd be a whoop

1030
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:30.239
somewhere else, or there'd be a knock and then there

1031
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:32.159
be a knock someone else. Like they were communicating with

1032
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:37.239
each other, but only ever two sets a knocks, like,

1033
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:41.760
not like multiple. I've read and heard people saying they're

1034
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:44.400
all over the place knocking. No, it seems to be

1035
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:48.679
like two of them communicating. I don't know, but I

1036
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:53.480
just assumed. So this went off first a couple more months.

1037
01:05:54.480 --> 01:06:00.159
Then in August of two thousand and five, I had

1038
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.400
gone to UH with Sam's Club.

1039
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:05.159
Uh.

1040
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:08.400
There's a Sam's Club in Middletown, New York that I

1041
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:12.719
went to and I used to go there and buy

1042
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.800
bulk everything because living in the city, you know, it's

1043
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:17.840
expensive to buy stuff in the city. She used buy

1044
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:21.199
toilet paper and bulk stuff at Sam's Club and it

1045
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:24.280
was less expensive. So but when I was in there

1046
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:29.840
buying stuff, I saw these they're called grapples there, apples

1047
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:33.599
that taste like grapes. It sounds gross, but they're really good.

1048
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.039
I've not seen them since, by the way, but I

1049
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.039
bought way too many of them. So they they had

1050
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:40.400
a woman there that was cutting them up and you

1051
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:42.239
could taste them. I'm like, holy call, these are great.

1052
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:48.920
So I bought way too many and we were eating

1053
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:53.280
them all weekend. We left them here the following week

1054
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.039
when we came back, they were they were squishy, they

1055
01:06:57.079 --> 01:07:03.199
were over ripe, and so I didn't think anything of this.

1056
01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:06.440
I just threw them all over into the woods side

1057
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:08.679
of the house, all of them. I don't know, maybe

1058
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:13.679
a dozen of them or so. That was on a

1059
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:18.400
Friday night. We'd just gotten up here. These they were

1060
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:20.880
on the counter, they were squishy, and I just pitched

1061
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:27.440
them right. So we ate and we were getting ready

1062
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.840
to go upstairs to watch a movie, and the doors

1063
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:40.679
were open. It was kind of warm, and so the property.

1064
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:45.239
So I said that we have thirty acres. Originally it

1065
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:48.440
was fifteen acres. There's a lot next door that's fifteen

1066
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:52.360
acres that we ended up buying because I didn't want

1067
01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:57.519
anyone building on it. So but on that lot next

1068
01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:02.000
door is a hunter shed there. You'd walk into the

1069
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.320
it's just a little shed, you know, you walk in.

1070
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:07.039
It was well built, but you'd walk in and then

1071
01:08:07.119 --> 01:08:08.599
there's be a window in the back that you could

1072
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:10.920
open up and you could, I guess, shoot in. I

1073
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:14.599
don't know, but I'm not a hunter, so I didn't,

1074
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:16.720
you know, really use it for anything other than just

1075
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:23.359
storing stuff in it. But I don't know the amount

1076
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:27.119
of time that went by, maybe half hour forty five

1077
01:08:27.119 --> 01:08:29.319
minutes after I threw those apples in the in the

1078
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:35.319
side yard, there was something on that shed, for sure,

1079
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.880
beating the heck out of it, beating it like like

1080
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.359
so so how there was always a cadence and rhythm

1081
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.760
to the knocking in the past, there wasn't here. It

1082
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.279
was just going crazy knocking and beating on this shed.

1083
01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:52.159
And I think there were two of them because it's

1084
01:08:54.319 --> 01:09:01.239
there was so much beating Craig freaked out, like, what

1085
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.439
the hell is that? And I'm looking out there. I

1086
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:06.479
got a flashlight and looked out there, but it's just

1087
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:09.720
so far you couldn't see anything. But as soon as

1088
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:11.880
I got the flashlight out, it stopped beating. As soon

1089
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:13.880
as I turned the flashlight off, it was beating again.

1090
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:21.079
And this went on for a while and I Greg

1091
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:23.119
said something. Greg's like, you shouldn't have thrown those apples

1092
01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:27.279
out there. I'm thinking that maybe they liked those apples

1093
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:32.000
and wanted more. I don't know, but just beating the

1094
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:34.439
heck out of that shed, and we were terrified. It

1095
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:38.239
was no whooping or anything, but just beating, and it

1096
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:40.039
was loud, and it was so loud at some point

1097
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.800
where you could feel it, and I thought they were

1098
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:46.600
going to break the shed. So I'm yelling and screaming,

1099
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:52.720
and they just kept beating on the shed. So I

1100
01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:54.359
don't know what to do. I have a feeling they're

1101
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:57.600
going to come to the house, and so Greg hit

1102
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.680
the alarm on the car and said the alarm off,

1103
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:05.800
and when the alarm went off, they stopped beating, and

1104
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:09.199
that was it. The next day we went out and

1105
01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:15.039
looked at the shed, now, and so you'd had in

1106
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:16.399
the front of the shed was a door where you

1107
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:18.720
could walk. In the back was this window, Like I said,

1108
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:22.199
underneath the window they had cinderblocks. Whoever had built this

1109
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:25.039
thing there, the previous owners of the lot had put

1110
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:28.000
cinder blocks, almost like steps going up to the back. Right.

1111
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:31.079
I don't know why, because I don't know, but there

1112
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:36.640
were cinder blocks. They're still there actually, and the center blocks.

1113
01:10:36.680 --> 01:10:39.720
I'd seen this before. The cinder blocks were flushed up

1114
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:45.039
against the shed. When I went out to investigate, the

1115
01:10:45.079 --> 01:10:47.760
shed looked like it had been pushed about four feet

1116
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:53.079
away from the cinder blocks, which there's no This shed

1117
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:56.960
was so heavy there's no way we could have moved.

1118
01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:01.039
It would take a crew of peace people to move

1119
01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:05.520
this shd. Granted it was flat on the ground, it

1120
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:09.279
didn't have a foundation or anything, but it was pushed

1121
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:12.079
or I don't know, it was moved from where it

1122
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:18.560
had been just a week prior. So I can't say

1123
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.720
for sure what it was, but I just have a

1124
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:24.600
feeling that this thing, these things like the apples that

1125
01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:28.920
we pitched out there, So maybe they were asking for more.

1126
01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:37.560
I don't know, but that was the end of that

1127
01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:42.000
summer and the fall was pretty uneventful. There were some

1128
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:46.000
things that happened, nothing really not, just a bunch of

1129
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:49.720
knocking and wolping and all that kind of stuff. So

1130
01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:53.439
in December of two thousand and five, so this has

1131
01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:57.600
been going on now for a year. In December of

1132
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:03.720
two thousand and five, it was cold outside. Windows were cracked.

1133
01:12:05.000 --> 01:12:08.359
It was about three point thirty in the morning. Greg

1134
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:12.760
was in the shower, I was in bed. Windows were cracked.

1135
01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:18.439
Like I said, I heard a gunshot and it sounded

1136
01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:21.880
like a thirty out six, like a powerful rifle, and

1137
01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:25.000
it was loud. I knew it was coming from the preserve,

1138
01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:28.000
from the guy, the old man next door. And I

1139
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:29.720
always knew when the old man was there because he

1140
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:31.880
had a generator that he would run, especially in the winter,

1141
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:36.039
so you always heard that generator going. And the generator

1142
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:39.720
was going, and I heard a gunshot and then I

1143
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:46.840
heard this god awful scream. It sounded like but it

1144
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.760
had it sounded like it sounded like a woman screaming,

1145
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:55.439
but as loud, and it had a different tone to it,

1146
01:12:55.520 --> 01:13:00.560
like it was. The vocalization was really weird, like really

1147
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:02.680
high and then low and then almost like there are

1148
01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:05.039
two of them, but it wasn't two of them. It's

1149
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:07.079
just one. I can't explain it. But it was this

1150
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:13.760
dual tone scream thing that I'll never forget. And it

1151
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.520
ran from the east side of the house to the

1152
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:20.439
west side of the house in record times. So by

1153
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:23.119
the time I heard that gunshot and this scream, I

1154
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:25.000
was at my window and it was already halfway. It

1155
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:28.039
was the scream was directly behind my house. Like I

1156
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.000
was staring right into the darkness at this thing screaming,

1157
01:13:31.159 --> 01:13:33.119
and it went all the way to the other side.

1158
01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:38.239
It happened so fast, and I'm yelling at Greg like

1159
01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.720
to listen, and he had just turned off the shower

1160
01:13:40.720 --> 01:13:43.840
and popped the window in the bathroom to hear like

1161
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:49.079
fading off into the back. It moved so fast, I mean, Jeremiah,

1162
01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:52.880
it moved faster than and I don't know how, you know,

1163
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:57.560
I don't know, I don't know what now. My instinct was,

1164
01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:04.640
for my gut reaction was he shot someone. I wanted

1165
01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:07.079
to jump in my truck and go over there and

1166
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:10.239
talk to him, but it was three thirty in the morning,

1167
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:11.840
and I didn't want to, you know, shoot at me

1168
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:14.399
or anything. And he was kind of crazy, this guy,

1169
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:26.720
and that was it, right, that was it. The following week,

1170
01:14:27.199 --> 01:14:29.439
I went next door and his son was there. He

1171
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.079
the old man wasn't there. His son was there, and

1172
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:35.039
I said, what happened last week? What happened on Monday?

1173
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:38.279
And he's like, I don't want to talk about it.

1174
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:41.439
I said, can you? Can you? I mean, what did

1175
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:45.119
he shoot? He shot something? He goes, no, don't worry

1176
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:49.199
about it. There's nothing to talk about. And so I

1177
01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:52.039
just didn't. You know, they weren't the friendliest guys, and

1178
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:54.800
I didn't. I didn't ask anymore.

1179
01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:55.159
After that.

1180
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:57.279
I never saw him again. He died a couple of

1181
01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.359
years later, but he never you know, I never se him.

1182
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.119
He he was he lived off the land, you know.

1183
01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.279
But it kind of doesn't didn't jive with me because

1184
01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:09.680
if he shot at this thing, but he told me

1185
01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:12.560
not to shoot. Remember the same guy that said the bear,

1186
01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:14.760
don't shoot at the bear? Like, why did he shoot

1187
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:16.880
this thing? I mean, was it trying to get into

1188
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:19.319
his house or it was just a little it was

1189
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:22.239
a little cabin that he had. It's still there. I

1190
01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:25.000
don't know what they do with it anymore, but it

1191
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:27.359
just seemed really weird to me. But but after that

1192
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:31.479
nothing never that was it. No more sounds, no more,

1193
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.600
no more footprints, no more, no more whooping, nothing, it

1194
01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:41.319
was gone. And ever since then there's been nothing. So

1195
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:43.239
this was this is a while ago, you know, this

1196
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:46.159
was back in in in five, the end of five.

1197
01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:50.920
It was a while ago, and I'm surprised, but there

1198
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:53.439
have been some reports up here. So I was on

1199
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:58.760
the uh zoning board planning board in this area for

1200
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.279
for for over a day decade, and every town board

1201
01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:05.279
meeting every month, the constable would get up and give

1202
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:10.319
a report of everything like speeding tickets, and there were

1203
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:13.840
a couple of times over the course of ten years

1204
01:16:14.199 --> 01:16:17.239
when people would report a strange animal in their yard.

1205
01:16:17.640 --> 01:16:20.640
There was a woman that lived not far from here.

1206
01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:24.560
Matter of fact, I can walk there in probably fifteen minutes,

1207
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:32.880
next to a lake, and she was convinced that so

1208
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:35.960
she always kept her front door open and had a

1209
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:39.119
screen door. Right in the summer. I don't remember the

1210
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:42.279
exact time of year, maybe it was August again, but

1211
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:48.720
she walked out of her kitchen to her to her

1212
01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:51.600
front where the I guess the foyer where the front

1213
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:55.119
door was, and she saw what she described as a tall,

1214
01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:59.960
hairy man standing at her door. She screamed, called the

1215
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:04.279
called the constable. And now this was years after my

1216
01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:07.319
experience in the scream that I heard. She screamed, called

1217
01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:09.239
the constable, the constable. How to make a report on it?

1218
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:12.760
I asked his names, he's gone out. I asked what

1219
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:16.279
that report was about. He's like, you know, we get

1220
01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:19.039
these sometimes, these crazy reports. You know, these old women

1221
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:23.680
they you know, blah blah blah. Just kind of wrote

1222
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:27.239
it off as some crazy old lady thing. And that

1223
01:17:27.560 --> 01:17:31.159
kind of stuck with me too, because I believe her,

1224
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:37.279
you know, so that's my story.

1225
01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:43.560
Oh my goodness, youth man. Logically, it sounds to me

1226
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:48.000
like that old guy probably killed the bigfoot or they

1227
01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:48.880
got scared off.

1228
01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:52.640
I think I think he shot it and hit it,

1229
01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:56.119
and it was it ran off screaming.

1230
01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:56.399
Because it was hit.

1231
01:17:56.560 --> 01:18:02.840
That's what I think. Because that gunshot was loud, you know,

1232
01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:10.399
it definitely was a high caliber gun, a rifle, And yeah,

1233
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:12.600
I think he I think he hit it. I do.

1234
01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:17.520
You're like, I had the visual and then it's like

1235
01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:19.520
it I was like, oh, it's really on.

1236
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:22.359
Yeah. I mean, it was just that one visual of

1237
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:25.960
all the things, the footprints, I mean, there's other yeah,

1238
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:30.000
the hours to go through the journal, but there's just

1239
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:33.119
some highlights that I that I wrote down there. You know,

1240
01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:37.359
we have footprints all over you know, a huge, massive

1241
01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:44.279
pile of of of dung, you know, of in the

1242
01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:47.039
woods in our back It was the biggest pile of

1243
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:50.039
poop I've ever seen in my life. And I've seen

1244
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:53.960
bear poop before. This thing was massive. And I'm not

1245
01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:58.359
going to keep it or anything, but you know, a

1246
01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:00.800
lot of strange stuff, but it was that one sighting

1247
01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:04.920
that sealed the deal for me. And the banging and

1248
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:07.960
the moving of the shed and the wolves and the

1249
01:19:08.000 --> 01:19:09.800
knocks that we heard. It all just kind of came

1250
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:15.439
together slowly over time. You know, different times when we

1251
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:17.960
would smell stuff that I didn't you know, but I

1252
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:20.960
mean just random you'd smell something rotting. And it was

1253
01:19:20.960 --> 01:19:24.239
always in winter. Like you know, there are a ton

1254
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:26.520
of animals up here, and there's a lot of things

1255
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.039
that die up here, and you can smell them all

1256
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:33.279
the time. But you know, I had friends up here

1257
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:35.319
that are shot deer and they've dressed them down in

1258
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:37.079
the woods in the backyard, and you can smell that.

1259
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:41.239
But nothing like what you when you smell it, you

1260
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:44.119
knew what it was, and that happened several times, but

1261
01:19:44.159 --> 01:19:46.600
the most distinct was the first time that I smelled

1262
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:48.760
it out front, like it had to be close. It

1263
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:55.880
was so strong, and I the stench was horrible. So

1264
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:58.039
you can tell the difference between a rotting carcass and

1265
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:02.560
then whatever set these things give off because it's it's putrid.

1266
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:04.800
Absolutely.

1267
01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:07.560
I mean the area you're talking about too, like the Catskills,

1268
01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:12.039
just on my sighting map alone, like the stuff, the

1269
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:16.239
stuff I have in there is really wild stuff. Yeah,

1270
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:18.960
even across the Hudson two over into Red Hook, there's

1271
01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.520
stuff over there. It's a perfect area because yeah, it's

1272
01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:25.039
you've really had like quarter going up from the Poconos

1273
01:20:25.159 --> 01:20:29.399
and then up through that Hudson area and then up

1274
01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:33.079
into western mass in northwestern Connecticut. It's just it's the

1275
01:20:33.119 --> 01:20:36.359
whole thing. Yeah, it's pretty much the appellations.

1276
01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.359
Oh there's another way is this is hearsay, But I

1277
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:41.960
think it's pretty cool because I'll never forget this that

1278
01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:47.600
there I was down in Pennsylvania getting my tires changed.

1279
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:54.039
This was probably maybe twenty fifteen twenty sixteen around there,

1280
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.399
and I was there early, and I was the only

1281
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:02.279
one there. I was sitting u in the lobby of

1282
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:06.520
this tire place, and local tire place, not like a

1283
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:09.359
Mavis Orta. He's a local tire place. And I knew

1284
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:12.199
the owner really well, so I used to go in

1285
01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:14.960
there and you know, for all my my car needs.

1286
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:18.600
And I was sitting there and this old man came

1287
01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:26.439
in and he looked really bad. He looked really pale,

1288
01:21:27.319 --> 01:21:30.119
and I was just sitting there staring at my phone.

1289
01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:33.880
I noticed him come in. He looked like death warmed over.

1290
01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:36.359
So I thought, maybe, you know, he was ill or something.

1291
01:21:37.119 --> 01:21:40.239
But the guy who ran the shop said, hey, I

1292
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:43.319
don't remember his name, Bob or whatever. What's going on?

1293
01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:47.479
And he's like, you're not going to believe me. You're

1294
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:50.840
not going to believe me. He's like, I think I'm

1295
01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:55.720
going to get sick. And I was listening. I wasn't,

1296
01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:58.359
you know, just listening to him. He goes, He's like, well,

1297
01:21:58.399 --> 01:22:02.960
tell me what's going on? He said me and I

1298
01:22:02.960 --> 01:22:09.039
guess his wife were having breakfast. And I'm assuming the

1299
01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:11.279
way he described it as they have a breakfast nook

1300
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.319
or something that overlooks their front yard and they were

1301
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:17.319
having breakfast in this little nook and they looked out

1302
01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:20.840
and they saw a bigfoot standing there directly in their

1303
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:25.920
front are just staring at them. And of course, as

1304
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:29.239
soon as he said that, I popped up and went over.

1305
01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:31.199
And as soon as he I came over, the guy

1306
01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:36.720
wanted nothing to you wouldn't talk about anymore. So I

1307
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:43.680
waited until this guy left, and that's when I started

1308
01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:48.600
asking questions of the owner of the shop owner about

1309
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:51.359
you know, so he told me, you know, everything the

1310
01:22:51.359 --> 01:22:55.159
guy had said, basically everything I heard. But he goes, yeah,

1311
01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:58.720
we get those reports up here all the time, like

1312
01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:03.600
it's just a matter of fact. And you know, so

1313
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:11.159
this place is, it's beautiful and there's definitely plenty. I mean,

1314
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:12.960
if just walk down the mountain that I live on,

1315
01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:15.600
and there's places that you can't get into. There's some

1316
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:18.720
ravines with some caves. I've been in one of them before.

1317
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:22.960
They're kind of dangerous, but there's places to get lost

1318
01:23:23.000 --> 01:23:26.000
down there. There's places where things can hide. Just a

1319
01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:28.199
mile and a half from the from my house down

1320
01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:32.079
to the river. You know, it's crazy. I have a

1321
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:35.199
drone that I take out and fly down. It's very dense,

1322
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:38.840
but you can see some crazy rock formations and and

1323
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:42.640
things places these things could hide just in this general area,

1324
01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:47.199
you know. So, yeah, it's really interesting.

1325
01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:50.760
Such a it's an incredible account. When you when you

1326
01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:54.439
take a bird's eye view of the entire story, it

1327
01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:58.039
is awesome. Do you ever wish that stuff would start

1328
01:23:58.079 --> 01:23:58.840
happening again?

1329
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:01.600
I do something property, Yeah.

1330
01:24:01.159 --> 01:24:04.520
Yeah, I do a lot of I don't go out

1331
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:09.920
to Colorado much anymore. I'm older and have some back problems,

1332
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:13.880
but I do go up, you know, to Lake Placid

1333
01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:18.960
a lot. Lake George area. Never had any experiences up there,

1334
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:22.239
but it sure as beautiful. But I've I've read a

1335
01:24:22.279 --> 01:24:25.560
lot of reports up in those areas, especially around Lake George.

1336
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:29.039
I wanted to go to Whitehall and check that out,

1337
01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:33.560
But you know, I've got all this around here.

1338
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:33.880
I don't.

1339
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.479
You know, it's kind of all it looks the same

1340
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:40.119
after a while, you can't. But I I would definitely

1341
01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:44.000
if if if there are some some researchers in this

1342
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:45.760
area that wanted to go to Whitehall, I'd love to

1343
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:46.279
go with them.

1344
01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:50.600
Yeah, And they have that great festival that happens I

1345
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:53.840
believe in September every year. That's that's a fun one

1346
01:24:53.960 --> 01:24:56.239
I've heard it's it's on the list to check out someday.

1347
01:24:56.319 --> 01:25:00.800
Yeah. So this area also is big with UFOs mm hmmm,

1348
01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:06.479
oh yeah. And I don't know how I feel about that,

1349
01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:09.119
but it's just as think it's interesting because there's a

1350
01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:11.119
lot of people that believe in they think they've seen

1351
01:25:11.199 --> 01:25:14.680
UFOs up here. I don't know if there's a correlation,

1352
01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:16.039
but I have read a lot about that.

1353
01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:18.680
Yeah, i'd say.

1354
01:25:19.159 --> 01:25:22.439
I mean, if you look at you know, places like

1355
01:25:22.479 --> 01:25:27.920
southwest Pennsylvania, there's definitely a correlation between bigfoot and UFO sightings,

1356
01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:33.720
especially I want to say seventies eighties like Stan Gordon

1357
01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:37.159
wrote a lot about that. Yep, yeah, you probably have

1358
01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:42.800
heard that name before. But my goodness, what a wild,

1359
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:46.840
wild account. I mean, thank you for coming on, David

1360
01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:51.800
and for sharing what you've experienced over over that that

1361
01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:54.840
year and a half there. It's just it's it's really cool.

1362
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.319
I mean, I probably would make a solid book, to

1363
01:25:57.319 --> 01:26:02.680
be honest, but I would read at least. But thank

1364
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:03.319
you so much.

1365
01:26:03.600 --> 01:26:11.439
I'll put this, try to make this journal more readable

1366
01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:15.760
and send it to you so you'll see everything. Oh cool, everything,

1367
01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:20.560
Thank you. I appreciate that awesome. Well, thank you so

1368
01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:23.640
much for coming on, sir. I do appreciate it. David,

1369
01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:26.640
it has been a pleasure you too, Jeremiah, thank you.

1370
01:26:28.239 --> 01:26:31.199
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

1371
01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:34.439
around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I

1372
01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:37.359
would love to get out in those woods and experience

1373
01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:41.960
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can

1374
01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:45.560
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

1375
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:50.520
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1376
01:26:50.600 --> 01:26:52.640
through the eleventh, twenty six.

1377
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:54.720
It's going to be.

1378
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:58.359
Even better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll

1379
01:26:58.399 --> 01:27:00.720
be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild.

1380
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:06.279
I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you

1381
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:12.880
haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

1382
01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:14.960
you just got to be there. We'll leave it that

1383
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:17.640
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods.

1384
01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:18.439
Now check this out.

1385
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1386
01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:28.680
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1387
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:32.960
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1388
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1389
01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:45.000
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1390
01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:49.159
There's only eight spots to sign up for this, and yes,

1391
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:52.880
this will also be filmed for the next chapter in

1392
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1393
01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:58.920
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1394
01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:03.800
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1395
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1396
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1397
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1398
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1399
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for giving me that code so that you guys can

1400
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I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge

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this year. We can talk about your encounter. Was able

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to talk to so many people last year and the

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year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going

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01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:47.560
to want to miss it, and I'll see you there.

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Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

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directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

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in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

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01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:02.119
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

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01:29:02.119 --> 01:29:05.399
a National park ranger or forestryt worker who's been told

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01:29:05.399 --> 01:29:08.399
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

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01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:11.720
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

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01:29:11.760 --> 01:29:15.439
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've

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01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:18.560
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

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01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:22.000
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

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01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:25.319
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

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01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:29.680
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

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01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:32.880
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

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01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:36.359
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1420
01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:40.239
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

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01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:43.600
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:46.640
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

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01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.159
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

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01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:53.960
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or

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01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:57.359
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

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01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:02.199
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

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You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

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01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:16.239
carry alone and you're not alone. You've got the story,

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01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:17.479
We've got the mic.

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See you in the woods.

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Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot

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01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:25.479
Society Podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the

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world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that

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the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line.

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If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe

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to the channel on YouTube hit the bell so you

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don't miss the next episode, and share this with a

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01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:42.960
friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if

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you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple podcast, please

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01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:48.159
follow the show there and leave us a five star

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01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:52.399
positive review because all that helps more people discover the show.

1443
01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:54.960
And remember, if you or someone you know has had

1444
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.960
a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear from you,

1445
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:01.640
so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com

1446
01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:04.439
and let's start the conversation. If you haven't gotten a

1447
01:31:04.520 --> 01:31:07.880
chance yet, check out our membership community over at www

1448
01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:10.800
dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot com and that's where you

1449
01:31:10.840 --> 01:31:14.479
can hear tomorrow's episode today early in ad free and

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01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:18.439
members only episodes every week. Also, it's a place to

1451
01:31:18.880 --> 01:31:21.720
connect with other people that are into the Bigfoot subject

1452
01:31:21.760 --> 01:31:24.439
as much as you are. Thanks again for following along

1453
01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:27.439
with the Bigfoot Society until next time. Keep your eyes open,

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01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:30.279
trust your gut, and never stop asking what else might

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01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:30.840
be out there?

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And see you in the woods.