July 6, 2026

RED-EYED SASQUATCH BLUFF CHARGES TEAM IN TENNESSEE | ARCHIVES

Originally released as Episode 1148 of Bigfoot Society What happens when a psychologist spends hundreds of hours searching for Sasquatch? In this archived conversation, Dr. John Baranchok shares the encounters that convinced him something...

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Season 1

Originally released as Episode 1148 of Bigfoot Society


What happens when a psychologist spends hundreds of hours searching for Sasquatch?


In this archived conversation, Dr. John Baranchok shares the encounters that convinced him something extraordinary is moving through the forests of North America. From unexplained rock-throwing incidents in the mountains of New Mexico to a terrifying nighttime encounter in Tennessee involving a possible bluff charge, glowing red eyes, and a massive footprint cast, this episode is packed with firsthand experiences from years of field research.


John also discusses the science of Bigfoot investigation, how researchers can prepare themselves for high-intensity encounters, the role of perception in the wilderness, reports of mindspeak and telepathy, and why experimental research may hold the key to understanding the phenomenon.


Locations discussed include New Mexico, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, and the Appalachian Mountains.


If you've ever wondered what decades of field experience can teach us about Sasquatch, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

Resources:

Grasping Sasquatch: Prepping for Scientific Field Research by Dr. John Baranchok - https://amzn.to/3Ttt1pe (Amazon Affiliate Link)

The Nephilim Among Us Updated by Scott Carpenter - https://amzn.to/3TwDiRJ (Amazon Affiliate link)

Bigfoot Prep on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100028871298666

Contact John on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/john.baranchol


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You're listening to bigfla Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the.

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Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us.

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Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his

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fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,

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please go to the caring Bridge link in the show notes.

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Thank you.

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You've got the.

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Privilege of talking to doctor John Baranchak today. He's an author, investigator,

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a member of the Manimal Research team, among many other things.

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But it's a pleasure to have you on the show today, John.

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Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here

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as well. I'm honored.

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Oh well, thank you. Well we're just two guys talking

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about Bigfoot, right, How.

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Cool is it?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, it's a good time.

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I've been reading your book for a few days now.

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It's extremely interesting in ways I wasn't expecting. We'll talk

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about that in a little bit, of course. I'm referring

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to your book Grasping Sasquatch Prepping for Scientific Field Research,

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which is another great book from Hanger One Publishing. They

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put out some awesome, awesome books. John, How was it

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that you got involved with this crazy bigfoot field to

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begin with?

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So jeez, before I ever thought of bigfoot, I was

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living in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, and I would go

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up to this little town called Hamus Springs, and it

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has a population of about three hundred and fifty people.

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But in this little town there's a a public hot spring,

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like a public bath house for the volcanic hock springs.

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There's a bar, there's a Baptist convention center, and I'm

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not sure what the correct word is if it's monastery

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where the drunk priests go to dry out and deal

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with their addiction. All in this little town. And I

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would head over the mountain there and I would go

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trout fishing, and the very first time I would hike

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a half day in and then half day out fishing

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this stream that was cascading from one deep pool to

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the next, and I'd get to a deep pool and

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I could see the fish in there, and I'd make

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one cast, and no sooner I'd be reeling that cast

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in all of a sudden, from across the stream came

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this big pluche and a stone got thrown into the

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pool that I was fishing. And this happened. You know,

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I fished this same area multiple times because the fish

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were really good there, but every time this happened, getting

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stones thrown in there. There was never anyone else up

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at the trail head, and I never saw anyone else

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while I was on this trail, no human beings, and

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so at first I thought it was just some jerk

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kind of following me around throwing, you know, trying to

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ruin my fishing. And at one point I got frustrated

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enough to yell at it whatever whatever or whoever it was,

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and it stopped for about one pool, and then when

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I moved down to the next pool, the same thing

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started up. So at the time I wasn't thinking Bigfoot

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at all. I had no Bigfoot interest. But about eight

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years ago I decided to get back to doing things

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that I enjoyed in my life, and one of those

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was trout fishing. So I got on I started searching

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maps to try to find good fishing holes. I live

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in Rome, Georgia, and Blue Ridge, Georgia is like an

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hour and a half two hour drive for me, so

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I wanted to fish the mountains up there around Blue Ridge.

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So as I was looking for a map, I came

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across this map of the United States and it had

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little yellow circles in a lot of the states. And

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when you clicked on the yellow circles, well, the yellow

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circles had a number in them, and when I clicked

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on the circles, it turns out it was the BFRO website,

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and the little circles corresponded to the number of expeditions

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that BFRO was putting on in that state. Were there,

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I met Lorie Wade because she was doing the Georgia

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and Tennessee State BFRO expeditions. She we had about a

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forty five minute conversation to kind of vet me to

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make sure I was serious and get along with the group.

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And so I went on her last expedition of that season,

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and as it turns out, it was an expedition of

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all in BFRO investigators, you know, they've got the hierarchy,

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they've got the your newbie, then you're a researcher, and

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then when they see some seriousness in you, you become

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an investigator. Go from a researcher to an investigator. And

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so from there I just started doing Bigfoot expeditions and

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learning all kinds of things about where to look for him,

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how to look for them, you know, things that they did.

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So I just started attending her BFRO expeditions in Georgia

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and Tennessee, and in the middle of that, hooked up

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with Charlie Raymond, who does Kentucky bfrorow in Kentucky, Kentucky

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Bigfoot Research Organization and one on a couple of his

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and I've been hooked ever since. And that's kind of

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how I got into it. I'm not sure how see

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Wayne Tothera and I met. I think probably over the internet.

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He was just forming minimal research when we met, and

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so I took him out to a site and we

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had a great time. And then that's also how it

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became involved with minimal research.

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That is that's pretty cool. How many how many expeditions

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would you say roughly in all you've been on so far.

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So I did six year is straight and then came

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down with the medical condition that took me out. So

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she does like she does, I think four or five

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a year, and then Charlie does about the same. So

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I've never counted the exact number. But at this point

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I've got over three hundred hours of boots on the

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ground hunting for Bigfoot. So that's not including camping or

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driving up to the you know, to the site and

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getting set up. That's actually going out in the woods

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with a team and doing doing the research. So let's

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see five times six is about thirty. I guess around

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thirty expeditions.

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Wow, that that is. I mean, that's incredible to think of.

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I see myself maybe three to four.

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I'm still relatively a new guy in this podcasting. But

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also I'm starting to dip my toes and got into

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some crazy organ stuff this last summer, and it just

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kind of grows on you. But was there a time

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you can remember in those three hundred hours where you

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experience something that pushed you way far over to the right.

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Yeah, in hindsight, that experience that I first described in

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New Mexico when I first started learning about bigfoot and

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hearing that, you know, they throw it for rocks and stones,

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that kind of made me lean heavily towards believing in bigfoot.

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And then I had two butt puckering class be encounters

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that left me no doubt. And I'd be happy to

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discuss either of.

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Those commenced with the butt puckering.

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Okay, so the first one. Laurie usually has speakers on

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all of her expeditions, people who have some expertise in

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the field, and on one of her expeditions, Scott Carpenter

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May He Rest in Peace came to our expedition and

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started telling his stories and selling some of his books.

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And of course he's into Nephelm. He was the for

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less Stroud's Bigfoot episodes. He was the Bigfoot guide for

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less Stroud's episodes, and so he was talking about these

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things materializing and de materializing in front of his face

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and in front of their faces on that on that show.

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That never made it onto the show, however, that ended

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up on the cutting room floor. But so about a

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month after that, so I bought his books and if

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you're ever if you're familiar with Nephelm, among this or

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nepheline among us revisit it out in the center of

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the book. He's got some photographic plates because he he

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would put those cameras, I forget what the trendy name

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for him is. He would put these small miniature cameras

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on his backstraps of his backpack, but instead of having

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them face forward, he had them face backwards so that

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he was viewing or recording what was coming out from

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behind him. And then he would in his book he

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would show you the original, you know, the original frame

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from that that video. Then he'd clean it up and

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have a second picture of it cleaned up, and then

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a third picture of being an artist rendering of what

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he captured. And I was never afraid to go into

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the woods by myself until I grew up in the country.

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I was never afraid, and until I looked at that book,

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and after I looked at those the original photographic plates

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and the touched up ones, I took on a fear

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of going into the woods because there, you know, there's

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some bigfoots there. There's some things in that book, but

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there's some things that look more like a monster than

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a bigfoot. And then there's some alien kind of stuff

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going on there. There's a photograph of an alien type

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et looking like et phone home, kind of alien sitting

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on a guy a bigfoot shoulder, kind of whispering in

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his ear. And when I saw those photographic plates, I

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became really anxious about getting back into the woods. But

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I was still skeptical about this materialized and de materializing

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right in front of you, becoming invisible basically whatever, however

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you want to explain it being cloaking, be it just

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you know, blending in or believe or if you believe

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in the interdimensional theories, you know, slipping from one dimension

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to another or through a portal. So about a month

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after that expedition, I decided there that I was going

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to go out on my own, but because it was

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ill advised to go out on your own into the

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woods looking for Bigfoot by yourself, I decided to take

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my dog at the time, which was a pitbull mix.

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And about fifty minutes from my house, there's a place

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called the Pocket State Park and that adjoins property with

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John's Mountain Wildlife Management Area. And so I had earlier

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asked what makes a place look squatchy? And I was told, well,

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you know, we're using ourself as bait, so you want

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to give them the high ground. So you're looking for

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a campsite that's at the base of a ridge or

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a cliff and has an easy access to a water source.

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So I cruised around the campgrounds in John's Mountain and

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found just a perfect site. Although it was only about

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maybe twenty thirty yards from the paved road, but it

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had ridges coming down on both sides of the camping area,

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so either side they had the high ground, and then

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on one side a creek ran through it and dumped

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into the river across the road. So I got there,

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set up my little mini trailer, and Red and I

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started hiking back along the stream looking for footprints the

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creek that dumps into the river, looking for footprints, and

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we hiked good ways back. Didn't see a thing, didn't

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hear a thing, nothing, So went back to the campsite,

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cooked dinner, and as it was just beginning to become dusk,

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dinner was over and I was just sitting at the

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campfire and read I had him tied on a long rope,

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so he had a lot of lead, but he was

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sitting about ten feet away from me at my three

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o'clock position, and all of a sudden, he just sat

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up from a laying position and stuck his nose vertically

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perpendicularly to the air. And he sat like that for

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five minutes, just sniffing and sniffing and sniffing the air.

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out into all kinds of sparks, aggressive barks and gnarls

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and growls, and he was orienting on something directly in

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front of us. He was I don't know if he

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was seeing something or some other way sensing something, but

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his was down and his head was down and he

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was looking directly in front of us, and I couldn't

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see a thing, and so I said, okay, Red, let's

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get the light and let's go check this out. So

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I went and got my red headlamp and I said,

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come on, Red, let's go. And when I called him

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to come with me, he crawled under my trailer. He

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didn't want to move forward at all. So but I

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had to see if there was a big footo on

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the you know, if there was something going on the road,

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because he was on to something. So I let him

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crawl under the trailer. And despite my skepticism of these

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things being able to de materior lies. As I walked forward,

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I stuck my hands out straight in front of me

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in case I didn't want to walk my whole body

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into a bigfoot if there was one cloak there. So

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I held my hands out in front of me and

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for fear that I would run into a big foot,

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and run into any bigfoots. Walked to the street, scuped

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everything out, didn't see a darn thing, not a thing,

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went back to the campfire, pulled Red out from under

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the trailer and sat down in the chair. And Red

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was sitting closer to me this time. Wasn't sitting five

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minutes and all of a sudden Red got up, and

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this time he oriented. It was nine o'clock. He was

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on my nine o'clock side. This time he oriented to

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my right at about between two and three o'clock. And

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he stuck his numb up for about five seconds, and

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when he brought his nose back down, he again he

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started growling and snarling and you know, baring his teeth,

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looking really really aggressive. And a bush about ninety feet

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from me started rattling and shaking. And as he's continuing

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to growl and snarl and bark at whatever was behind

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that bush. Above his growl, I hear this, That's when

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my butt puckered. At that point, I got up and

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went to my glove compartment because the growling was still

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going on and my dog was still going wild, and

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I carried a smith and Western forty five MP in

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my glove compartment for the first and only time when

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I've been out looking for bigfoot. I got it out

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of the holster and I chambered around, and the second

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I heard that, you could hear the sound of the

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round being chamber. Everything got quiet, just a complete still

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of my dog what I think was a bigfoot growl,

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because I never saw the creature, but in that area

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they had bears and big cats, and I've heard both

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of them growl, and I know it wasn't one of those,

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so I counted that as a Class B bigfoot of

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sighting for myself, and we set out for about another

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fifteen minutes, and it was kind of a nerving at

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that point, so we just we went into the trailer,

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and I had a hard time getting to sleep at

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night for fear of something coming up to my trailer

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and slapping my trailer or whatever the case may be.

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So that was quite a harrowing experience, to say the least.

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In fact, I just took somebody back there just about

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a month and a half ago and we measured it

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off where that bush was from where I was sitting,

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and it was ninety feet from where I was sitting,

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And that night we went The gentleman David Zigan was

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the guy who I went out with. He has a

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new podcast out called Bigfoot Forensics, and he's a certified

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print print examiner Layton prints footprints, handprints, and so we

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walked further back and we didn't hear a thing all night.

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I did a big old roar, which is something I

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rarely do. And when he checked the video or the

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audio recordings we got, he was he tried a tree dock.

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He got one tree knock when we were there, but

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he just let the recorder continue to record, and when

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he analyzed the recordings, I think we had three or

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four other tree knocks or you know, in the early

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morning after we had gone. So it's a it's a

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spot I'm going to continue to go back to because

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clearly there's there's some in the area there.

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Oh, I mean that would be enough for me to

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continue going to Yeah.

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that visceral kind of response, the response in your body,

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but I mean it was a visceral experience when I

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heard that grow and saw fit to get up and

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get my pistol out because that was I carried that

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more for crazy humans than I did bigfoots. So so

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that's one of them. Go ahead.

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One thing I really like about your book that I've

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never seen any other Bigfoot related thing go into, which

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I think is very smart you went into it too,

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is you spend a lot of time pretty much teaching

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people how they can just chill out and not freak

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out in these high intensity Bigfoot related situations that you

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can get into when you're out there in the woods

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or you know, on an expedition sometimes things can get

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really intense. And I really appreciated that that's something that

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you know, that alone is you know, worth whatever you

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end up paying for the book, and you can read

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that multiple times. Do you have a certain one that

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you end up using more than the others or that

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you like?

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Well, so, for me, I've been doing that stuff most

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of my life as a psychologist, sure, because my specialty

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was neuropsychology people that were in motor vehicle accidents or

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suffered a brain injury, and it's not uncommon for those

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folks to suffer from PTSD. And then my last job

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was with thea VA Clinic Veterans and Instration Clinic in

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my community here, and of course lots of PTSD going

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on there, and so I start, I mean, I started

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training eighty year olds on how to do some deep

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breathing and some relaxation. And then the one that I

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think is most effective is called stress inoculation. It used

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to be called systematic desensitization during the during the old

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days as it were, but now it's been relabeled stress inoculation.

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And in stress inoculation, first teach yourself to relax. And

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by the way, I've got in the appendices of my book,

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I've got scripts that you can read out loud into

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a CD recorder or whatever kind of recorder. They're relaxation

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inductions and they're also the induction for stress inoculation. So

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in stress inoculation, the first thing you do is you

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learn to relax, get comfortably and deeply relaxed. While you're

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practicing the relaxation at least three times a week, preferably daily,

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but a minimum of three times a week if you

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don't want it to take it take a year for

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you learn to relax, because it's not just drinking a

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beer or listening to some music. There are specific kind

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of scripts or inductions to three types of relaxation, deep breathing,

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progressive relaxation, and autogenic relaxation. And I like the autogenical

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relaxation where I'm basically just repeating a relaxing phrase over

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and over and over again. Now I'm relaxing my right arm,

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feeling more calm and feeling more peace. And you say

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that four to eight times on your right arm, or

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until your right arm becomes relaxed, then four to eight

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times for your left arm, then four to eight times

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for your right leg, then four to eight times for

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your left leg, then one to three times for both

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arms at the same time, and one to three times

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for both legs at the same time. And when you

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first start, that takes you about twenty five minutes, but

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as you practice, you can get it down to ten

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minutes to go through that exercise and get deeply relaxed.

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So while you're prac mastering relaxation, you create something called

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a desensitization hierarchy, and basically you just start brainstorming either

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every big foot encounter you've had and every big foot

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encounter you might imagine yourself having, and you rate that

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on a scale of intensity by how much it causes

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you anxiety, the low end being ones, end being ten

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being so high you would, you know, be in the

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throes of a panic attack, basically. And so you make

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that long list of all these encounters or potential encounters,

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and you rate them from one to ten. And there

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are ties, because there's several ones and several twoes and

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several threes. So you split those hairs so that you

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start with the least intense encounter and then gradually work

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yourself up to the ladder to the most intense encounter.

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And so you get into that deeply relaxed state. You

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begin to run an imaginary movie, be it mental or auditory,

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or whatever sensation you experience these things in and if

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as you're running I'm going to refer to it as

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a mental movie. As you're running this mental movie, as

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soon as you begin to feel yourself tense up or

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your deep state or relaxation begin to deteriorate, you stop

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the movie there, get the movie out of your mind's

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eye or your imagination, and you go through your relaxation

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exercise again until you're as relaxed as you were before.

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You had that before the imaginary or actual encounter but

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made you tense up. Once you get that deeply relaxed again,

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you pick up where you left off or you stopped

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that mental movie, and you run that mental movie forward again,

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either until it disturbs your relaxation again, in which case

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throughout the movie, relax back down, pick up where you

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left off the second time, and you keep doing that

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until you can run that entire mental movie through completely

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without it affecting your relaxation at all. And when you

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can stay relaxed and do that three times consecutively, then

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you go up to the next one, or you know,

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in the next one, and then maybe up into the

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first two, in the next two and the next two,

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and you gradually just are retraining yourself to remain calm

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and relaxation. It opens the or to our autonomic nervous system.

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Our autonomic nervous system is what causes our fight flight response,

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and it's got an on switch, which is the excitatory switch,

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and we can all relate to somebody jumping out from

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behind a bush and startling us. Just to be funny,

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that all that stuff that happens when the on switch

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is thrown shallow breathing, your pupils dilate. The blood begins

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to flow away from your hands and legs, because when

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you're running, that motion helps circulate your blood through the

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through the body, or you're fighting again, your movement helps

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circulate that blood through your body, and you know, you

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hold on to your urine, you hold on to your bowels.

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Your heart's rate increases and starts beating real fast. And

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that's the on switch. When you finally realize that somebody's

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just with you. Oh, I can't believe you did that too.

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Your breathing come becomes more deep and regular, your heart

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rate slows down. The blood that was flowing away from

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your hands and legs to protect your vital organs now

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flows back into your hands and legs, and that's what happens,

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and you restore yourself to a state of peace or calm.

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And that's what happens when the off switch gets thrown,

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and so you work through that hierarchy as high as

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you can get up into the nines and tens where

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you know. For me, I was imagining having a you know,

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a face to face encounter with a big foot. And

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after you get good at that, though, you don't want

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to be completely relaxed and limp and loose when you're

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having a bigfoot encounter. So step is something I call

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modulating your arousal or modulating your reactions to the bigfoot.

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And in that one you get relaxed. Again, do your

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relaxation exercise, but just imagine that scene playing out and

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in your imagination, do what you feel you need to do.

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Hide behind a rock, back off, whatever the case may be.

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If you want to move forward, you can program your

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fight flight to stay calm enough to move forward and

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investigate further, and you you program that into your nervous

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system and then you're set to go. Basically, and again,

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the scripts to do all this stuff are in the

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pendencies of my books.

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It's absolutely fascinating.

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Mean, my background is not psychology at also to me,

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it was all brand news stuff. I think everyone should

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check it out. I'm going to have the link in

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the show notes, sure, and everyone listening check it out

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for sure.

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Well, basically, basically, this is what we used to treat

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our war veterans who have PTSD. The struct stress inoculation

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process and relaxation process. That's what That's what I used

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my entire career to treat PTSD.

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Okay, you stated you had about three hundred hours in

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the field. So having that much time in the field,

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I'm sure you you came to a realization or you

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made some decision in your mind, like what bigfoot is

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that I'm trying to go find.

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No, I haven't.

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You haven't, Okay, I haven't. Okay.

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So, so you know, the title of my book is

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Grasping Sasquatch Prepping for scientific field research, and so I

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trying to pro with an open mind until we get

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some really hardcore experimental science. Right now, doctor Meldrum is

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the only one doing hardcore experimental science within his research.

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00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:19.079
Everybody else is doing something called empirical observation science, just

459
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.039
looking trying to get a photo, trying to get some recordings,

460
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.559
that kind of stuff. So until we get enough research

461
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:34.960
down to get a better handle on the origins of bigfoot,

462
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:39.000
I try and keep my mind wide open. And that's

463
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:43.359
why I neither believe or disbelieve in kind of woof phenomena.

464
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.240
I think that's in addition to the flesh and blood

465
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.000
experiments we need to do. I think we need to

466
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:54.799
try and scientifically investigate woof phenomena as well, because you know,

467
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.400
right now we probably have more hard science through doctor Meldrum,

468
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.720
experimental science through doctor Meldrum than anything else. But there

469
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.759
are a lot of people who experience WU, and that's

470
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.880
frequently in the community I think frowned upon. But I

471
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:16.000
don't see any reason why those report shouldn't be taken

472
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:21.960
any less seriously than a flesh and blood encounter. And so,

473
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:28.880
you know, until there's more experimental data in I don't

474
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.920
have any theories of origin. I think one of the

475
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.839
things we do in the Bigfoot community. In the scientific method,

476
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.200
observation is the first step, and then you form a

477
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:47.359
hypothesis based on that observation. And in experimental science, an

478
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:54.519
experimental sasquatch research, you develop an experiment to test that hypothesis.

479
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.839
You reduce those result results down the numbers, and then

480
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.079
you do a statistical analysis to give you the answer.

481
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.079
And that's all that's in book two. Book one is

482
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.960
about and they're all on this. It's all one book,

483
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.239
but I divided into two books, and book one is

484
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.320
general stuff on bigfoot and then how to reprogram your

485
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.039
fight flight response. In book two it's how to set

486
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:24.400
up experiments, and I teach some statistics in book two

487
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.840
so that people can appreciate, you know, how to begin

488
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:32.480
to learn how to do the analysis until we get

489
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.960
some hard experimental data on what they are. I'm open

490
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.400
to all possibilities.

491
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:40.440
Yeah, I'm right there with you. You know.

492
00:34:41.559 --> 00:34:46.079
The way I look at it is even flesh and

493
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.519
blood creatures can do some weird stuff. And if you

494
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:53.119
look through the history of animals that have been discovered, Man,

495
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.920
have we discovered some weird, weird animals doing some weird

496
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.519
weird things. So yeah, I don't think anything's out of

497
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.519
the question. And if you were to see my email box,

498
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:07.599
the ones, it's a lot of I wish there was

499
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.960
another term and not not WU just because the connotation

500
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.679
it has now. But it's a lot of it, which

501
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:14.159
I love.

502
00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:18.679
But it's interesting. It's interesting to me how many of

503
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:23.559
the OG researchers, as they've gotten older kind of seem

504
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:29.679
to migrate towards the paranormal or interdimensional or whatever you

505
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.719
want to call it other than wu. You know Ron

506
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:41.719
moorehead with his Quantum Bigfoot books and jeez Tom Cantrell.

507
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.880
Tom Contrell was the first to introduce the normal curve,

508
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:51.920
which is a statistical thing, to the Bigfoot community, and

509
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:59.679
now he interacts with them telepathically. And so it seems

510
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:03.440
like people get older, they kind of begin to open

511
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:08.039
themselves up to that possibility and have those experiences.

512
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:09.119
I'm sure.

513
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:12.960
We can try to go down this road. I'm sure

514
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.000
with your background, do you have any interesting or any

515
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.719
thoughts about the theory of mind speak or telepathy within

516
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:22.559
the Bigfoot world?

517
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:28.239
Great questions? No, not at all. Yeah, yeah. In fact,

518
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.920
although this experiment isn't in the book, I give examples

519
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.719
of experiments that could be run on tree knocks and

520
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.840
stone clacks and a way to look at in the

521
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.920
laboratory to a way to study whether it's the infrasound

522
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.480
giving us zapping or are we freaking ourself out causing

523
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:55.519
causing us to create our own zapping experience. But one

524
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.760
experiment that's not in the book revolves around mind speak,

525
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.639
and in this mind speak experiment, I of course would

526
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:08.719
first have to obtain a telepath and I don't know

527
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.679
if you saw the movie Men Who Speak with Goats

528
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.519
or I think that's the title, Men who Speak with Goats.

529
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.360
Or I have, and I'm familiar a little bit with

530
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:19.480
the premise of it though.

531
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:24.519
Okay, so outside of Washington, there's still a brick and

532
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:28.880
mortar building where people can go learn to enhance their

533
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:35.039
telepathic abilities and psychokinetic abilities. A lot of people do

534
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:40.199
remote viewing involved with bigfoot now to locate where the

535
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:46.239
bigfoots might be and so get a well trained, well

536
00:37:46.320 --> 00:37:58.480
validated telepath go to a gifting area and telepathically ask

537
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:04.119
the bigfoot to bring you a pine cone. Go back

538
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:10.199
the next day, see if a pine cone is returned. Okay,

539
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.679
leave a gift if it's returned, or leave a gift

540
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:18.960
if it's not. If something else is returned, then in

541
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.079
the next stage you ask them to bring you something

542
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:26.119
more difficult to obtain in the forest, like bring me

543
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:30.079
a deer head skull. They're not going to be laying

544
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.360
all over the forest floor like a pine cone is.

545
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:39.280
And you see if if the bigfoot received that message message,

546
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:41.400
and the proof of the message is whether they bring

547
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:45.280
back The proof of that telepathic message is if they

548
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:51.559
bring back a deer head skull. Okay. Then the third

549
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:56.199
stage and you you're recording hits or missus hit being

550
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.079
they brought back what you asked them to, miss being

551
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:02.039
they brought something else back or didn't bring anything back.

552
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.000
The third stage is to have them bring something that

553
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.320
they could have access from in the camping areas, like

554
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:17.800
a blanket or a child's doll, something that doesn't occur

555
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:23.119
naturally in the wide open woods, but because of camping areas,

556
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.880
is likely to be present around the camping area. And

557
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:32.000
so telepathically ask the bigfoot to bring you back a

558
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.440
blanket or bring you back a child's toy. And then

559
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:42.119
the final step, and I haven't worked out exactly what

560
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.519
item to request, because here we really get into human

561
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:50.199
subject ethics. The last stage is to have them bring

562
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:55.639
something back that they wouldn't find in the forest or

563
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:00.159
a campground. I've met many people who say they the

564
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.719
bigfoots followed them fifty miles back from their gifting station

565
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:10.280
and showed up at home. Okay, And so have them

566
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.239
bring something back from a person's property, a bird bath

567
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.519
or a razor, and that would be that would be

568
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:23.159
at camping. You know something that you're not going to

569
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.599
find in a camping area or in the woods a

570
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:32.400
telephone book. If you even make those these days, I'm

571
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.480
not sure. And the ethics there, of course, is you're

572
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.880
asking them to invade somebody's property in home, oh right now,

573
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.639
to get that. But see if they bring that back,

574
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.440
and if they can, if you get hits on all

575
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:55.119
four sequences, on all four targets, to me, that's a

576
00:40:55.159 --> 00:41:02.360
good indication that telepathic communication was between the bigfoot and

577
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:07.679
the telepath making the request. And so again the hits

578
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:11.239
and the misses would be analyzed statistically and you could

579
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:15.800
tell whether there's a significant difference between their accuracy for

580
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:19.880
the pine cone, the deer skull, the baby doll, and

581
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.519
then the phone book, let's say. And to me, you know,

582
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:27.920
if that if that experiment works out and you get

583
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:32.199
hits on that, and then that experiment could be replicated

584
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.320
in other areas, other areas not only within your region,

585
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:41.000
but other parts of the Nate country. I think that

586
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.880
would be you'd have some hard numbers to prove that

587
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.440
there's telepathic communication going on.

588
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.519
Right That's that's extremely interesting. There's I don't know if

589
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.719
I would call this a test, but maybe I would.

590
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:59.440
It's come up in a few recent interviews where the

591
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:05.320
witness will say, it'll be verbal out loud communication, and

592
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.760
it'll be something to the effect of if you're here,

593
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:12.320
can you do something? And a lot of times the

594
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.480
witness will say and immediately after there was a tree

595
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.440
pushed down. Have you ever heard of anything like that?

596
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.079
Or you think that's a valid test?

597
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:26.639
I think I think if you keep track of the

598
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:31.280
time you do that, the time you get the tree

599
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:37.360
pushed down, push over, and you do that in a

600
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:42.119
variety of situations, I think I'm not I guess this

601
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.400
is a critique of BFR. But where I felt like

602
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:50.239
BFR fell short was we would we had walkie talkies,

603
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:54.760
we coordinate with each other across different locations. When we

604
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.360
were about to do a roar or a tree knock,

605
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.440
we'd let everybody else who was dispersed out throughout the area,

606
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.719
let you know we're going to do it at this

607
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:10.639
at this time, and we do it, and then you

608
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:13.760
know everybody hears it. We mark the time that we

609
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.960
do it, and then if there's a response, you mark

610
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.880
the time that you get that response. But unfortunately, I

611
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.239
think what happens, you know when you go out on

612
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:27.519
a BFRO expedition, everybody one person is assigned as a

613
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.480
record keeper and keeps track of all those times and

614
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.360
experiences and what happened when and that we communicated this,

615
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.719
that and the other, and then the following morning we

616
00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:44.079
do a debriefing. So we making sure that so we

617
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:48.280
make sure that you know, the tree pushover that we

618
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:53.039
heard wasn't at the same time that somebody heard what

619
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.519
they thought were gunshots, but in fact we're tree pushovers.

620
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:02.159
This actually happened on an expedition, and so that's all good.

621
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.000
But for the most part, it appears that those notebooks

622
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:11.039
they can't kind of get cast to the side, and

623
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:15.719
you know, the flats. The BFRO right database is more

624
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.519
of a narrative form than it is translated into numeric data,

625
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.039
and so that all that would have to be translated

626
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.360
into numeric data to do this kind of analysis, and

627
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.360
that's a monumental task to do given how many sightings

628
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:32.880
they've got.

629
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:35.559
Oh, it's it would you'd have to have people work

630
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.559
on that every day. Yeah, it would be insane. You'd

631
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.760
mentioned Scott Carpenter a while back, and what you were

632
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:45.000
talking about kind of made me think of something is

633
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.440
some of I get a lot of witness reports, just

634
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:48.360
a lot of them.

635
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:49.400
I love them.

636
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:55.840
I feel that there's a high likelihood that sometimes or

637
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:58.639
some of these witnesses could be dealing with something that

638
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:03.960
is not actually Bigfoot. And do you think that is

639
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.679
a real possibility that when someone is going to look

640
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:12.960
for bigfoot, they could end up finding something entirely not bigfoot?

641
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:15.639
Is that the question, do you think?

642
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.119
Or No? No, Number one, we're kind of being Bigfoot

643
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:23.599
researchers are kind of being put, whether we like it

644
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:29.239
or not, pushed into the dog man realm because because

645
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:34.280
they share common territories and so, you know, kind of

646
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.880
I think it can be tough to stinguish between dog

647
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:43.719
man's sounds and bigfoot sounds, since bigfoots can reportedly imitate

648
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:49.320
virtually anything, including key fobs, the sound of a tin can,

649
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.400
whatever the case may be, not to mention nature's creatures.

650
00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:57.880
And so I think the two big rule outs right

651
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:04.239
now are dog man and human intervention, because there are

652
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:11.639
jerks out there that will go out and intentionally mimic Bigfoot,

653
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:16.920
you know, try and set people up, and so, you know,

654
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.480
I think those are the two things that we really

655
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.599
got to pay attention to, and when we investigate further,

656
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.000
try to rule those out our end before we assign

657
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:30.760
it to bigfoot. Those would be the two major ones.

658
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.400
And of course you know our own minds. In the

659
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.320
first part of my book, I talk about a variety

660
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:44.280
of paradolia, you know, And it's become very popular to

661
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:48.960
snap a snap a shot you didn't see bigfoot, but

662
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:53.119
nonetheless you snapped a shot of a woodline. And then

663
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.079
when you look in that woodline, loan behold, you find bigfoot.

664
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:04.400
And there's auditory paradolia, whereby there can be two sources

665
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.719
of sounds. There could be just two bigfoots on either

666
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:12.639
side of you, and it could make the sound of

667
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:17.199
being surrounded by bigfoots. It would sound like there are

668
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.840
ten or twelve around you. And that's called the Glissando effect.

669
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:26.119
And so you got to count for paradolia. You gotta

670
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:30.920
account for illusions. You got to you gotta count for

671
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.360
bigfoot on the brain. This this this place where we

672
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.320
I was this past weekend at Sea Wayne Tutherow's squatch

673
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:41.119
out up in Tennessee. Believe it or not, the camping

674
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:45.599
area is called Sasquatch Farms, but there's never Yeah, but

675
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:50.000
there's never been any sasquatch sightings on the farm. So

676
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:53.800
we weren't we weren't all that optimistic. But we went

677
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:58.840
down to a location, myself and two other folks, David

678
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:03.800
zigan And and Dan Davis. And right now, because of

679
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.920
my medical condition, I've got a service dog. He's a

680
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:12.079
half Antoonian shepherd and half bull mastiff, and so I

681
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:15.960
take him with me wherever I go. We found poop

682
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.679
under leaves that we would have missed had he not

683
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:22.960
sniffed it out. And he's a good early alert system.

684
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:27.360
You know, when he's here something rustling in the woods,

685
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:32.280
he's gonna perk up at least and if if it's

686
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:35.559
you know, if it's significant enough, he'll start barking and

687
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:40.599
start moving in that direction. And so this was the

688
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.519
second time David and I went out together. And one

689
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:48.960
of the things he said, I think is very telling.

690
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:52.920
He said, before he's got into the Bigfoot thing, he

691
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.000
could just go into the woods and kind of passively

692
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:01.280
just take mother nature in. But once you're on a

693
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:06.079
big Foot expedition, you can relax all your want, but

694
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:10.800
you're trying to tune in to the slightest little changes

695
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.159
in your environment, be it the change in the animal sounds,

696
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.199
that the leaves rustling, things of that nature, and all

697
00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.519
of a sudden, we're not just we're not just being

698
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:29.039
there leaving ourselves open to whatever comes our way. Now

699
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:34.920
we're filtering. We're filtering our perception through a bigfoot screen.

700
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:42.280
You know, could could that what we just heard, what saw, perceived, felt,

701
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:47.440
Could that be a big foot? And so you literally

702
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:52.679
you add that perceptual screen to it, and you're you're

703
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.960
more intent and intense in your focus of hearing things.

704
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:03.239
And so as result, you know, there's something called a

705
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:09.480
false anytime you do a test, there's a true true positive,

706
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:15.039
which means you've heard a bigfoot. There's also a false positive,

707
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.880
which is a sound you think was a bigfoot but

708
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:24.280
really wasn't. Same with photos and images, you see what

709
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:28.840
you think was a bigfoot, but when you investigated closer,

710
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:33.960
it was just a burnt stump that looked like a

711
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:38.280
bigfoot from a distance. And that's a false positive. And

712
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.559
with us using bigfoot as a filter through which we

713
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:50.199
filter our perception, our chances for false positives increase our

714
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:55.400
chances of picking up on something identify and misidentifying it

715
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.920
as a bigfoot goes through the roof. And that's one

716
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:02.639
one of the reasons why I think we need to

717
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:10.280
shift from observational science empirical observational science to empirical experimental science,

718
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.880
because in observational science, I'm sure you've cruised the sites,

719
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:20.239
it all comes down to opinions and debates and who's

720
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.840
got the biggest that this or the other. And the

721
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:30.679
thing about experimental science is it takes that human opinion

722
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:34.440
out of it because your numbers tell you whether there's

723
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:38.760
something significant going on or not, and then there's still

724
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.840
the human brain kicks in there and interpreting that data,

725
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.599
but the numbers are the ones pointing in the direction

726
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:50.760
rather than the force of somebody's personality or their history

727
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.320
or experience, or their credibility or whatever the case may be.

728
00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:03.960
Fascinating, man, listeners, if you have been digging this conversation,

729
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.880
how it's really gotten pretty deep, then you need to

730
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.400
check out doctor John's book, because it's just this is

731
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:14.639
just the surface, and it's just it's such a good read.

732
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.519
I really really enjoyed it. I'm definitely gonna be reading

733
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:20.079
it a few more times. But I just want to

734
00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:22.000
I just want to thank you for for being on

735
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:25.719
the show tonight. It's been a a fun, fun chat.

736
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.360
Oh we're done already. I thought we were going to eleven.

737
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:34.000
Okay, But how can people?

738
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.480
Is there a way people can or I guess I

739
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.840
should say, do you have an online presence or how

740
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:42.199
people can keep up to date with what you're doing,

741
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:47.039
or just prefer to communicate mainly through your books.

742
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.360
Now I've got a Facebook. So when I was writing

743
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:56.880
my original manuscript, the original title of the book was

744
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:03.760
Bigfoot Prep, Preparing Yourself for Bigfoot Field Research. And I

745
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:08.079
set up a little page where I dropped excerpts of

746
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:13.159
my book that people could read while the book was

747
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.440
being formatted and published. So if you want to get

748
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:20.679
a read of what I've written, you can just search

749
00:53:20.719 --> 00:53:24.920
Bigfoot Prep and that'll take you to my page where

750
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.039
and it's got a picture of the Patterson Gamelin film

751
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:34.639
still of Patty turning her head and walking, and there

752
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:38.320
you can find excerpts from my book. I've also just

753
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:42.840
got my personal page, John Baranchok, and that's just it's

754
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:46.119
not a site per se, you know, it's not monetized.

755
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:51.400
It's just my personal page and I go off on

756
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:55.159
rants and raves and things of that nature, depending on

757
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:59.480
what else I'm seeing on the web at any given time.

758
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.639
My posts there tend to be pretty long because I'm

759
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.079
pretty long winded, as you can tell by my book.

760
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.480
But so those are the main way if you want

761
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:11.000
to get a hold of me is just go to

762
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:16.400
John Baranchok on Facebook, and it's not uncommon for me

763
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:21.079
to have people private message me and we talk for

764
00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:23.960
three four hours at a time, you know, And if

765
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.440
anyone wants to learn more about how to do experimental

766
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:33.760
sasquatch research rather than observational research, that's what really gets

767
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:38.519
my gears going because it's such that my mobility is

768
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:42.719
decreased because of my illness and so I can't get

769
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.960
out into the woods like I need to to run

770
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:49.440
some of the experiments that I would like to. So

771
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:52.599
I'm looking. I'm always looking for people who are interested

772
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.960
in doing some scientific research and coordinating that with me.

773
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:00.360
And you know, the way to get a o me

774
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.320
for that kind of thing is at my faith John

775
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:09.239
Barranchot Facebook page and then just a request of friendship

776
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.239
and then we can PM together or we can interact

777
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.840
over Facebook or whatever the case. May be, I said

778
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:20.039
my other butt puckering story for last. So this was

779
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:24.679
up in Tennessee. I've signed a non disclosure statement, so

780
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:28.519
I can't give you the exact location. In Tennessee, BFRO

781
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:33.679
requires you to sign non disclosures. But in this area,

782
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:40.800
this was during the Civil War, and back then they

783
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:45.360
didn't call it the draft. They called it consignment. You

784
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:50.559
got consigned to the military, and this gentleman didn't. He

785
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:54.039
wanted to avoid consignment. He couldn't make it to Canada

786
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.679
like a lot of folks did in the Draft when

787
00:55:56.719 --> 00:56:02.800
I was a kid. But he built this cabin midway

788
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.199
up a mountain, deep deep into the woods. We had

789
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:12.159
afford three streams to get to solid land to hike

790
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:16.360
up to this cabin. And it's a very primitive cabin.

791
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:21.119
One room, fireplace with a table and some chairs. Other

792
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:25.400
room bunk house, bunk room, if you will, and then

793
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.079
an outhouse. And it's still standing. And I just learned

794
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:34.599
that they put a stop on renting it for two

795
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:38.679
years because they're doing some work. But at the time

796
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:41.039
that I went, you could rent this cabin for thirty

797
00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:44.519
five bucks a night, which was incredible but not easy

798
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:49.760
to access. So sixteen of us went up to the cabin,

799
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:54.840
four groups of four, and one group was supposed to

800
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:57.519
go up this deer trail and go to the right,

801
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.320
another group go up to the deer trail, go to

802
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:06.840
the left, one group went down lower and around the

803
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.280
base of the mountain, and then one group stayed at

804
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:16.079
the cabin. And so I was we were supposed to

805
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:18.679
go to the right, but we went to the left.

806
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.559
And it was one of these situations where it had

807
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:26.760
rained the night before, but all you could hear was

808
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:32.559
water draining off the mountain and the wheat the leaves

809
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:36.679
blowing in the wind. There wasn't any animal sounds whatsoever.

810
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.400
And I asked a more experienced investigator, you know, is

811
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.280
this the silence everybody talks about. You know, you hear

812
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.639
that when there's a big foot in the area, the

813
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:50.000
forest will shut down and be absolutely silent. And George

814
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.440
Rickley said, well, you know usually when that's the case,

815
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.159
your spidy senses tingle. You get this sense that you're

816
00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:02.559
being watched, And so I said, okay, So we started

817
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:07.760
walking a gradual incline up. We walked for about two hours,

818
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.840
trying to connect with our walkie talkies to the group

819
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:12.920
that was supposed to be coming around the other side.

820
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:16.639
I don't know where they went, but as we were

821
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:21.760
walking up that we didn't encounter any animal life whatsoever.

822
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:26.880
No turkey, no hogs, no tree frogs. It should have

823
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:31.880
been tree frogs out after a rain. No chipmunks, squirrels wrestling.

824
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:34.679
We finally got a hold of the other group and

825
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:40.679
long behold. They saw deer, they spooked some turkey off

826
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:44.639
the road, and then some turkey roosting. They saw sign

827
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:49.199
of boar rooting in the fire road. They had all

828
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:53.039
kinds of wildlife, and by that time we realized we

829
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.639
were never going to connect with each other because we

830
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:59.480
weren't on the same path. So we started walking down

831
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:04.559
back to the deer trail that we had to take

832
00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.719
from the cabin up to the fire road, and we

833
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:10.840
were about two three hundred yards from that deer trail.

834
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:14.239
And the guys that I was with, they always liked

835
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.800
when I would we talk about hypnosis, because a hypnosis

836
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:21.280
self hypnosis is another thing that I teach in my book,

837
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:25.199
and it's another way to reprogram your fight flight response

838
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:29.760
and set appropriate levels of arousal. And so I was

839
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:33.320
talking about something with hypnosis, and I was second in line,

840
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:38.159
and George Wrigley stopped on his heel and pivoted and

841
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:42.760
walked four feet towards me and said, gee. All he

842
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.880
got out was the J in my name. And an

843
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:51.880
explosion went off over our head. A tree pushover is

844
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:54.480
what I now believe it to be. But it was

845
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:59.440
like a bomb going off over our head. But right

846
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:03.719
after the tree explosion, it sounded like a lion's slide

847
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:08.199
was coming down towards us, like logs and rocks were

848
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:11.159
coming down the steeper slope, and you could hear him.

849
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:15.239
You could hear him become airborne and go silent and

850
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:18.559
then hit the ground again, and you could hear that going.

851
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:22.239
And so George and I like cockroaches when a light

852
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:27.440
gets turned on, We scurried to one side. Mark Olgilbee

853
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:31.400
was bringing up the rear. He scurried to the other side.

854
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.199
And the guy in the middle, the third guy, his

855
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.840
name was Dan Kegley, and he had the flight He

856
01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:41.280
had the fight response. Pivoted on his heel and had

857
01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:45.679
his hand on his kebar knife, facing uphill, ready to

858
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:51.599
go with whatever was coming down on us. So we investigated.

859
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.199
We kept looking up at the hill. No stones or

860
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:59.320
rocks or logs hit the fire road, but a dust

861
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:00.880
of loam. And I don't know if you know what

862
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:04.599
loam smells like. It's that real fertile, musky kind of

863
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:08.599
soil that we use in our gardens and things of

864
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:11.960
that nature. You could see the fine particles of loam

865
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:15.400
trickling down in the air, and it was all around

866
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.880
us on both sides of us. We couldn't find squat.

867
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:25.039
So we started walking down towards the deer trail. And

868
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:28.400
as we're walking down towards the deer trail, that from

869
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:31.679
the cabin the group radioed up to us and said,

870
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:34.480
are you guys walking down the deer trail or the

871
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:37.440
fire road? Now? We're on the fire road ten four.

872
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:41.679
So we get to the deer trail, we start walking

873
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:44.480
down the deer trail, and about halfway down the deer trail,

874
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:48.119
they radio us up to us again, are you walking

875
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:51.440
down the fire road or down the deer trail. We're

876
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:53.599
on the deer trail now, for goodness sake, why do

877
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:57.280
you keep asking us this? Well, when you are on

878
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:01.760
the fire road, about thirty yards behind you, we saw

879
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:05.719
some red eye shine following you and now that eye

880
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:09.639
shine is above you on the deer trail. So we

881
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:12.920
pivoted around and everybody you know, shining their lights. We

882
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:16.079
didn't see a thing. We got down to the cabin

883
01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:21.119
and all sixteen of us reunited at the cabin, resting

884
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.760
before we had it do our descent, and all of

885
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:25.760
a sudden, somebody planning in the wood that says, look

886
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:30.559
at that, and you'd look into the you'd look into

887
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:33.400
the woods that was on the other side of that

888
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:37.400
deer trail, and you saw a red light pop out

889
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:41.360
from behind a tree, go back, pop out the other side,

890
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.480
go behind. But these were only these were anything from

891
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.320
two feet up to about four feet up in height

892
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:53.880
on the tree, and all of a sudden, the whole

893
01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:58.320
not the entire fires, but probably one hundred yards swath

894
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:04.440
of the forest. You could see multiple peepers going going on,

895
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:08.559
all at the same time. And we sat there for

896
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.519
twenty minutes and watched these things peep at us until

897
01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:18.119
it finally stopped and the tree being pushed over. Was

898
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:21.480
the butt puckering experience, but this was more of just

899
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:24.760
a fascinating experience seeing all these you know, it wasn't

900
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:28.599
just one or two, It was twenty five to thirty

901
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:33.840
peepers from behind trees. Eventually they stopped. We got back

902
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:38.480
down to camp where the tree pusher over happened. We

903
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:41.840
took two sticks and stuck them vertically up in the

904
01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:45.199
ground to mark that spot, because us old men thought

905
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:46.920
we were going to go up there the next day

906
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:50.400
and look closer. We were also sore. None of us

907
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:54.199
made it, but a young man just out of the military,

908
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.320
I think his name is Jonathan Mixon, when he heard

909
01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:00.480
the story, he went up there and he come running

910
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:03.880
back to camp. He says, I found a footprint. I

911
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:08.199
need a casting I need a casting kit. And he

912
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.679
got a gentleman by the name of Tom Bruns, who

913
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:16.440
is a pediatric physician in Chattanooga and also a big,

914
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.639
big footer, and they went up and they cast at

915
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:24.000
this footprint. And as they were waiting for the brick

916
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:29.519
the hydrocal to solidify, they just started looking around some more.

917
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.119
And what they did that we didn't do the night before.

918
01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:38.239
They looked on the down side of the fire road.

919
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:41.480
Our noise in the dust came from above us, so

920
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:44.760
all we did was look above us. But they had

921
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:47.239
some time to kill so they started me entering around

922
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:51.360
and when they looked down at the drop off, it

923
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.840
dropped out between eight and ten feet and came out

924
01:04:54.880 --> 01:05:00.440
in a flat plateau. And on that plateau, I think

925
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:08.159
they counted like forty infant and juvenile big footprints. And

926
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.760
they weren't going to climb down there and cast all

927
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:16.800
those things, but they were definitely there. And you know

928
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:23.280
in my book I talk about coincidence versus correlation versus causality.

929
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:26.960
You know that we saw that many peepers watched them

930
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:30.480
for twenty minutes. In hindsight, I think what happened was

931
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:34.840
when George pivoted on his heel, we stopped right next

932
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:40.719
to like this playground or nursery down the drop off side,

933
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:45.719
and I think we got bluff charged by probably definitely one,

934
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.559
if not two. Right on the break of the fire

935
01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:53.480
road going down, they found another partial big footprint right

936
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.920
on the edge. They couldn't cast it, but fifteen feet

937
01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.800
up that tree. There was a fresh bark tear on

938
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.239
that tree as well, right right below where right above

939
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:09.039
where that footprint was. And when they brought down that cast,

940
01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:14.119
it was incredible. He cleaned it up and you could

941
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:17.840
see the entire foot It was about seventeen and a

942
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:25.599
half inches long, about seven inches wide, and you could

943
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.320
see the dermal ridges, you could see the mid tarsal break,

944
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:35.480
the great toe. You could see the end of the

945
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.960
toe print, but the joint right below it was missing.

946
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:42.480
It didn't get imprinted, and then the joint below that

947
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:47.159
was present, and so you just had this miss It

948
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.960
was like looking it was almost like looking at an

949
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:53.280
X ray where you could see the dermal prints and

950
01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:59.000
the mid tarsal break, and so that was just amazing

951
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:03.159
to me. You know, definitely a correlation. I'm not prepared

952
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:08.360
to say caused it because we don't have enough data

953
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:11.960
to say it was causal, but there's a pretty strong

954
01:07:12.000 --> 01:07:18.920
correlation between what happened to us finding those the tree tear,

955
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:23.719
finding the partial print, finding all those infinite juvenile prints,

956
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:28.079
and then the cast and us watching all those peepers

957
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:28.559
that night.

958
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:31.800
That cast sounds incredible.

959
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:35.079
Is that any any sort of museum or is it

960
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:38.199
just a it's probably a property of the BFO type deal.

961
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:43.559
No property, I guess the unspoken word is he who

962
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:47.920
finds it and casts it owns it. Okay, and so

963
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:52.199
Justin Mixon, I believe is the guy's name. He still

964
01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:53.400
has that cast.

965
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:55.400
That's awesome.

966
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.559
So that was my other butt puckering experience.

967
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:05.320
That man, I think I would be more freaked out

968
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:10.679
by seeing you said around like twenty to thirty. Yes,

969
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:16.399
I mean one would be one. I've never seen eyes before,

970
01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:19.159
But to see a group of eyes like that, man,

971
01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:20.880
that would be a whole different thing.

972
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:25.800
The thing about that night, it was completely overcast. There

973
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:32.560
was no moon, no stars. It was dark, and I

974
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:36.159
you know, I'm of the school of thought that there's

975
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:40.399
eye shine, but this would have been eye glow because

976
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:46.239
there was no light to reflect off the bigfoot the

977
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:49.479
back of the bigfoot's eyes. These things. It was like

978
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:54.600
looking at a red halogen light when they it was round,

979
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:58.600
but it was that intense. The eye glow was that intense.

980
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.000
And they were moving around, they'd move from one tree

981
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:05.119
to another, and so it was real difficult to count

982
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:08.600
exactly how many, you know, how many were there. But

983
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:12.680
for twenty minutes we sat there and watched a bunch

984
01:09:12.720 --> 01:09:16.239
of bigfoots peepe at us never saw they never saw

985
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:20.119
the parent, never anything seven eight ten foot tall but

986
01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:23.000
all under four feet.

987
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:27.199
You know, that's that's actually a thing that's been coming

988
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:34.199
up pretty pretty regularly when I have researchers on that

989
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:37.439
they can their eyes can actually do a sort of

990
01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:41.720
glow like they actually do glow. Is that have you

991
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:45.039
found that's a pretty well established line of thought that

992
01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:46.960
most researchers are on the same page.

993
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:51.680
Well I was when I started, you know, now eight

994
01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.079
years ago. Well I'm in my seventh year. When I

995
01:09:55.119 --> 01:10:00.279
started six years ago, you heard was eyeshine? Right, And

996
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.760
so the eyeglow I think is relatively something new and

997
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:07.399
a lot of people report it. But that just that's

998
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.399
that stood out because it was so dark that night,

999
01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:14.760
there was no ambient light whatsoever to reflect off their eyes,

1000
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:18.920
and it just looked like light bulbs, literally like electronic

1001
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:22.239
light bulbs peeking out either side of the tree. So

1002
01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:28.000
I don't know. I think observationally it's been established whether

1003
01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:32.840
there's eyeshine and eyeglow. Again, I think that's a research question.

1004
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:37.439
Gotcha, is it usually tend to be the color red

1005
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:38.000
as well?

1006
01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:42.720
Or what we were what we were seeing is red.

1007
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:47.800
But here's here's one scientific issue with that. Everybody in

1008
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:53.720
my group, in Lori Wade's group, we have these knocks,

1009
01:10:54.840 --> 01:11:04.119
red light bulbs, had lamps, and there's something called after images.

1010
01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:07.439
If you were around in the maybe still with the

1011
01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:11.840
new cameras, when the big flashbulb goes off, you close

1012
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.039
your eyes and you see that bulb, you know, behind

1013
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:19.039
your eyes, and so you know, one thing. Another thing

1014
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.319
I think needs to be investigated is are we in

1015
01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:27.560
fact seeing red eyes? Are we experiencing a red after

1016
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:33.239
image from those eyes because we've been walking around with

1017
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:37.159
red lights all night and so we're seeing red. I've

1018
01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:41.800
heard people that see red, green, yellow, but I think

1019
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:45.720
red and green have been the predominant reports. Is my

1020
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:46.520
take on it.

1021
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:52.039
That's a really interesting thing to think about. Yeah, I'm

1022
01:11:52.039 --> 01:11:54.800
definitely going to thinking about that for a while. There's

1023
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.760
people that have thoughts about that. You can reach out

1024
01:11:57.760 --> 01:11:59.920
in the comments. I'd love to hear what you think,

1025
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:01.960
if you are more researcher.

1026
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.399
Yeah. Well, man, that that was a good last one.

1027
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.760
John. Well, thanks, I'm sorry I made you work a

1028
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:10.159
little longer for it, but.

1029
01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:12.800
I liked it. Man.

1030
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:16.720
Oh, yeah, it's it's places like that. It's always good

1031
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:21.000
to hear that there's places like that. And there's more

1032
01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:24.000
than a few places like that that are yeah, are

1033
01:12:24.039 --> 01:12:28.159
not readily known to the public, but they kind of

1034
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:29.760
have to be like that so that they keep the

1035
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:30.840
way that they are, you know.

1036
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.479
And I would, you know, for any newbies, anyone that

1037
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:40.479
is interested in getting out, but you know, if you

1038
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:42.279
don't like you know, a lot of people have mixed

1039
01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:46.479
feelings about BFRO. I cut my teeth on BFRO expeditions,

1040
01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:49.439
but there's a lot of other groups that go out.

1041
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:54.039
I would highly recommend getting out with people that have

1042
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:57.760
some experience doing it, because if you don't know what

1043
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.640
you're looking for, if you don't know the sign, if

1044
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:06.800
you don't know nature, animal calls, you know, you can

1045
01:13:06.920 --> 01:13:09.720
see things that aren't there, or hear things that aren't there,

1046
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:12.800
or they are there but another animal. So I really

1047
01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:15.800
encourage people to get out with a group of folks

1048
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.520
who know what they're doing. If you're just getting into it,

1049
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:22.439
and go out on expeditions with somebody who knows there's stuff,

1050
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:26.359
because otherwise it's going to be a steep learning curve

1051
01:13:26.439 --> 01:13:29.079
for you. It's steep enough with somebody you know.

1052
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:35.680
Absolutely that knows that is good good advice. Yeah, you

1053
01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:39.239
don't want to just be launching into this by yourself.

1054
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:42.800
Have have someone who's further down the trail than you are.

1055
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:48.760
Absolutely. Yeah. Well, John, thank you so much for coming on.

1056
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:50.119
Thank you, Jeremiah.

1057
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:56.640
Very fun and enlightening conversation. And again it sounds like

1058
01:13:57.079 --> 01:13:59.600
I'm telling everyone to go get your book because I am.

1059
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:02.000
I like it seriously.

1060
01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:04.920
Well, thank you so much this book.

1061
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:07.399
I think a lot of people I have in mind

1062
01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:09.840
that would learn a lot from it. But in all

1063
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:11.800
seriousness I'm going to have the link down the show

1064
01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:14.439
notes and check that out. It's another great book from

1065
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:17.600
Hangar one Publishing with Doug Hicheck. So thank you again,

1066
01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:19.000
John for coming on tonight.

1067
01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:22.279
Thank you very much for inviting me. Jeremiah, I really

1068
01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:23.560
enjoyed it very much.

1069
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.640
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

1070
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:32.920
around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I

1071
01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.800
would love to get out in those woods and experience

1072
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:40.399
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can.

1073
01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:44.000
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1075
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1076
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1077
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1078
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1079
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:05.760
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1080
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:14.000
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1081
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in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie

1082
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:22.000
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1083
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eight spots to sign up for this, and yes, this

1084
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will also be filmed for the next chapter in his

1085
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documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a

1086
01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:35.279
once in lifetime deal. It's just it's going to be

1087
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a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on

1088
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me that code so that you guys can can get

1093
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1094
01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:12.000
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1095
01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:15.279
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1096
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:19.079
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1097
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:21.920
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1098
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:25.239
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1099
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:28.239
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

1100
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:31.560
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

1101
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:35.279
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've

1102
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:38.399
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

1103
01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:41.800
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

1104
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:45.159
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1105
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:49.520
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1106
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:52.680
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1107
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:56.159
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1108
01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:59.960
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1109
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.479
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1110
01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:06.479
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1111
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:10.000
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1112
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:13.800
or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or

1113
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:17.199
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1114
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:22.039
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1115
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:27.319
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1116
01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:30.199
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1117
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:36.119
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

1118
01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:37.319
We've got the mic.

1119
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:39.640
See you in the Woods.

1120
01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:42.239
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1121
01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:45.319
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1122
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:48.439
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1123
01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:51.119
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1124
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1132
01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:17.760
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1133
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1134
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1140
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1141
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1142
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:50.119
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1143
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