May 25, 2026

Something ROCKED Her Truck at 1:30 AM Near Mount St. Helens!

Something ROCKED Her Truck at 1:30 AM Near Mount St. Helens!
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Season 1

For more than 20 years, Mandy has explored the wilderness alone — climbing mountains, camping deep in remote forests, and documenting the beauty of the Pacific Northwest.


Then she entered the Gifford Pinchot.


In this episode, Mandy shares the moments that changed everything:
• Whoops echoing across isolated lakes
• Massive tree structures hidden in the forest
• A clearing surrounded by broken timber
• The smell of wet dogs in the dark woods
• A violent knock near her trail
• Something rocking her truck at 1:30 AM near Mount St. Helens


From Mount Shasta to Ape Cave, this conversation dives deep into some of the most active Bigfoot territory in North America through the eyes of an experienced solo hiker who knows the outdoors intimately.


Episode 1118 is one of the most immersive wilderness encounter interviews yet.

Resources:

https://www.instagram.com/the.solohiker

https://www.youtube.com/@TheSoloHiker

Contact Mandy here: ocean222@snowcrest.net

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There was definitely clearing there, but there were broken trees

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almost in a half circle around this whole area, so

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it's pretty deliberate. It felt like it was like, Okay,

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this is like a spot, right, like something is going on. Well,

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when I was down there, I heard whooping in the woods. Yeah,

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and I was just like, okay, that's creepy. Like I'm

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a couple miles from ray truck. I'm gonna get back

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to the truck. Start walking back to the truck, and

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I got it. I'm starting to shake. This is crazy.

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I think this would affect me like this.

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You're listening to Big Flat Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, because Society. Welcome back

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to another episode. We got the privilege of talking to

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Mandy today. Mandy is a listener of the show and

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also an individual that likes to get out there in

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the Pacific Northwest in other areas and is a solo hiker,

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and we'll definitely be talking about that today and Mandy's

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had some really interesting things happen when out there solo hiking,

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as you can imagine. But welcome to the show, Mandy.

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How are you doing today?

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Thank you, Thank you for having me.

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Jeremiah.

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It's so cool to see you and be here after

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listening to so many different people's stories and such, so

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this is a total treat for me.

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So I'm good, Thank you, thank you.

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I appreciate that. I appreciate that. And just to remind you, guys,

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if you're listening to this on the let's say Spotify

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or Apple podcasts, we're trying to do as many video

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podcasts as we can over on YouTube. And we actually

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just start a rumble page as well, because you never

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know with YouTube now, so we're doing a little backup there.

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But this is going to be a video podcast, guys,

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So if you want to see what our mugs look

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like you can check us out over on those two channels.

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But Mandy, let's get right into it. Are there any

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other things the listeners would need to know about you

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for context before we start chatting?

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Well, I mean maybe for context just the solo hiker

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thing I decided to start. I have an Instagram and

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a YouTube, but I started that because my mom can't

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get to these areas that I like to get to.

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And I've been solo hiking for about twenty two years

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now for you know, like often once every couple of weeks,

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hopefully during like every week and after work. So I've

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been doing that for about twenty two years. And I

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started it for my mom so she can see all

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these awesome places that I get to visit. And then

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it kind of just snowballed from there. And I have

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a lot of people that really really enjoy just seeing

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waterfalls and mountains and lakes and such. And I don't

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speak in my videos. I'm not in my videos. It's

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solely just to show people, Okay, it's beautiful area.

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And I don't even actually tell people where I'm at.

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So yeah, just so as a caveat if somebody is

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looking into my videos and want something like I'm gonna

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follow this check around and see what she does for

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camping or hiking. I don't talk in my videos. They're

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kind of boring. They're really just about nature altogether.

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That is a cool reason to do the channel. I

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know a few people that do that, and I mean,

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the hats off to you. So that you can provide

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something like that for your mother, that's that's really cool.

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And I'm sure you're helping out so many other people

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that you'll never know how many how many people you're

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helping out with that.

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That trade, I hope, so pretty cool. I hope that

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helps me out.

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So yeah, outside of that, I'm a mom and I

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have a beautiful dog who's like fourteen and a half,

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so yeah, awesome.

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Yeah, And I will have the links to your your

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channels and accounts in the show notes and the descriptions.

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But what's the name of If people just wanted to

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search it, search for it on YouTube? What would they

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search for?

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The solo hiker?

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And I believe it's the solo Hiker two twenty two

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on YouTube, and I apologize I don't actually share it

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very often. And then it's the dot solo hiker on Instagram.

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So there's quite a few solo hikers out there. I

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didn't realize, but yeah, I think it's awesome.

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Absolutely you have. I'm looking through your bio, and I

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mean it's not just solo hiking. You're also you're paddleboarding,

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your snowboarding, your mountain climbing, biking, camping, You're also overlanding. Yes,

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you're really You're really doing anything you could do out

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there in the outdoors, and that probably puts you in

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such a wide variety of outdoor types. Yes, is that correct?

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Yes?

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Absolutely, and all seasons also, So I think that being

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outside is my number one favorite thing in the whole world,

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and so I have to be outside every day. I

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really try to be outside every day. I need it

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for my mental health and just in general. But I

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have hobbies for every season, so I don't ever get bored.

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I'm not ever, you know, bummed that it's too hot

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or bummed that it's too cold, or I can always

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find something that I really enjoy out there, and I

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think that that's those are my hobbies.

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So gotcha now living being out in that area, did

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you grow up with knowing anything about Bigfoot or sasquatch?

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Was that on your radar at all.

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No, actually not at all.

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And actually I grew up in Colorado, Western Colorado and

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have a you know, I mean, I have a pretty

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rocky past.

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Also, you know, I'm a recovered methadict.

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I was on drugs for over eleven years and so

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and now I've been clean for over twenty. So it

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was kind of like coming out to California, Northern California

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was a breakaway for me, a clean slate so that

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I could raise my son here and that's exactly what

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it was for me and him, and it's just been awesome.

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So it wasn't until I got out to California a

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couple of years into living here actually I had my

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first I wouldn't say encounter because I've never encountered I've

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never seen an animal. I've never been close enough to

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an animal where i felt like, oh, yeah, that's something else.

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Because I've been face to face with a wolf, I've

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been I've seen bears, elk, deer, that type of thing,

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but I've never seen a big foot. So it was

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just an encounter about two years after we first moved here.

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It was my first introduction to like bigfoot, like actually exists.

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You know, it took me a while. I was a

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scuff also, but prior to that, I had just barely

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heard of like Bigfoot, you know, Harry, and he had

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since when I was like, hey, you know what I mean.

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Right exactly. And it hats off to you for being

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able to break through that addiction and being able to

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move on with your life. And I know that that

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is huge part of my life. I used to work

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in a pharmacy and so I know how that can

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affect a person. And I saw so many people that

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would go down that road and you just knew what

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was happening, and it was so sad to watch. But

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it is so great to hear a story like yours

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where you're able to turn your life around, break free,

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and then you know, become a person who is enjoying

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the outdoors but also a content creator and documenting. At

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the same time, you mentioned there was there was a

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time where you encountered something and things kind of shifted

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for you, and it sounded like it was pretty intense.

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Yeah, well, I was camping actually, and this was I'm

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sweating talking about this. It's funny. It was up on

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South Fork, Sacramento River. So I live in Sisku County,

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which is just surrounded by mountains. I'm in in between

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the Cascade, you know. Mount Shasta basically is just like

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right here, and then there's the Scott Mountains, the Salmon Mountains,

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the Russian Mountains in the back Marbles, and then we've

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got the Shasta trinities over here. Well, the Sacramento is

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kind of towards more of the Shasta trinities, and so

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there's a couple of different forks of the Sacramento River

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that come down from those areas over there, Gum Boot,

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Mumbo Summit, and then you've got Parks Creek and dead

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Fall Lakes in that area there. Well, the Sacramento River

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comes down into Lake Siski, or close to Lake Siski

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is where I was, so just for context, I was

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just camping out there. It's a pretty popular place to camp.

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There's actually quite a few people out there during the summer.

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We used to see winnoveagos and trailers out there at

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a certain point until they kind of shut that down.

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So we're not talking about a.

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Crazy isolated area. It's an area right off the side

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of the road, not too far out. Camping with a

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small child. I think my son was two or three

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at the time.

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And we're right above the river.

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It was nighttime. We had a fire. My son was

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asleep in the truck and me and my husband at

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that time were sitting there just enjoying the stars, enjoying

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the fire. The fire went out, and so, I don't know,

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ten eleven o'clock at night, there was this sound that

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I have never heard in my life. And reminder that

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I'm from Colorado, I'm from like a hunting background.

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My uncle's hunted.

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I know what elk sounds like, I know what bear

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sounds like, deer, that type of thing. It was like

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nothing I've ever heard in my entire life. It was

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this deep. It's hard to explained because it was a

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deep toned, high pitched scream that happened, and it was

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just I just got goosebumps all over my body just

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now thinking about it. And at that point in time,

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I thought that wasn't a bear, that wasn't a cat, Like,

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what the heck was that? Maybe there's some psychopath out

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here that's like, that's pretty creepy, right, I was pretty

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creeped out. Well, we decided that it was, you know,

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just a fluke. It wasn't gonna happen again, and it

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was totally fine, and we just kept sitting there and

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we're just talking, and then it happened again, only it

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happened a lot closer, and for me, it just chills up.

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I just decided, that's it for me. I'm getting the

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back of the truck. I'm not even gonna hang out

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out here. And I had got in the back of

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the truck. My husband stayed out and listened for a

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lot longer and tried to just hear some more. And

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of course we didn't have cell phones then, so and

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he didn't ever hear anything else again. But it wasn't

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until later, probably two years later, that I watched some

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sort of a documentary and I wish that I could

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remember the name of it. It was probably two thousand

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and seven time period, and I heard the same noise

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on this documentary and it just, I mean, whoa, I'm convinced.

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From that point, I was like, that's exactly what we

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heard out there, That's exactly what that was. And then

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it kind of just sparked it for me from there,

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and so then since then, I've just been a little

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bit more aware. I think of my surroundings and looking

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for signs, and you know, as I progress in my

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hiking and where I'm going and whatnot, that I see

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more and more and then it starts to become almost

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like oh, yeah there's some tree breaks or oh that

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might be some knocks, you know, and you start gett

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a little more familiar. But there was a couple of

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years in there was very uneasy. You know, it made

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me feel uneasy.

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It is really interesting how when a person has an

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experience like that, it almost there's usually two paths they

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can take. It's either they become aware and it starts

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to affect them when they go out again, or they

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get super freaked out and they're like, yeah, I'm not

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going out in the woods anymore. Right, But that is

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pretty cool how it if it almost started to open

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open your eyes in a way. It sounds like you

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started to go to other places and you were you

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were seeing things that would that would stick out that

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we're not really normal looking.

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to a coworker. At that point in time. I worked

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for a state park here Castle Craigs, and I was

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a maintenance person there and so the other guy that

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I worked with, I told him about this experience and

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he was like, oh yeah, dude, bigfoots all over through there,

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like South Fork, Sacramento hot spot. Man, there's And then,

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as you know, I've been here for over twenty years now,

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in the Mount Shasta area, I've met handfuls of people

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that say the same thing, and South Fork is just

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this hot spot there's you want to see or hear

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or experience something. So with that said though, I've never

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experienced anything else up there since then, So you know,

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for me, I'm like, well, that's really cool. And I've

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heard a lot of people with a lot of cool

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stories about that type of thing, some people even stating

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that they saw him coming at them through the woods,

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you know, And I'm just like wow, okay, yeah, So

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that was just my first, very very short experience. Wasn't

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even sure what was going on until later, you.

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Know what I mean.

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You hear a lot of stories about Mount Schesta and

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maybe to Rabbit Trail for a minute, yeah please, living

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in that area. So like what I hear is, you know,

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I've talked to a few people before and you hear

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some like really intense things like people going up into

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panther meadows and things like that, and like seeing you know,

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not just Bigfoot, but other things as well. You live

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in those areas, are you hearing stories like that, like

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things of high strangeness, things that don't really make sense.

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Yeah, there's a lot of that here, not so much

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from the locals, but but more for people who visit,

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which is interesting to me because I think that a

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lot of locals don't experience that type of thing, but

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obviously you don't. I didn't start as a local, right

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I'm a local now because I've been here for twenty

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two years. But most of the stories that I've heard

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are from people who visit here who don't live here.

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So that's been interesting, especially concerning Mount Shasta, because people

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go up there for a myriad of different reasons, spiritual

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healing and they're searching for something, or climbing, you know,

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I really love to climb, and Mount Shasta is amazing

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like climbing, camping, hiking. But there's the whole. And I'm

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not an expert at this at all, but there's the whole.

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Lemurian Tee Los that whole. There's a sacred city underneath

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the mountain and the caverns and all of that, and

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so there's a lot of different energy here and people

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bring a lot of different energy here. Also, Bigfoot happens

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to be one of those entities that people.

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Oh yeah, I mean, as you've got the civilization that's

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supposedly underground. I want to say, this is the same

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area with the guy with the he found the treasure,

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but then he went missing, and then a lot of

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people will bring up Panther Meadows, but it's Bunny Flats,

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I think, is another area that's that's kind of weird.

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But one years so, you've actually gone up hiking in

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the Mount Shasta area.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I've climbed Mount Shasta. I've

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been probably ten thousand feet almost all the way around

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the mountain. Well, not a circumnavigation, but you know, just

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in general. I mean, it's fifteen minutes from my house,

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and so I do a lot of activities up on

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Mal Shasta, snowboarding back on through snowboarding, hiking and camping

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and climbing.

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Have you found that, you know, hiking and doing activities

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around there are there certain places where if you go

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into that area, it's kind of weird vibes or do

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you think that's kind of maybe visitors telling the same

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story over and over and things might get blown out

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of context a little bit.

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I think that Mount Shasta is one of those things

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where people see it on a postcard and they think, Okay, cool,

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it's just it's this mountain. But as any mountain, if

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anybody knows has ever been on a mountain, that you

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can get very disoriented on a mountain just from one

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change in the weather or change in direction. And there's

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a lot going on on Mount Shastam, and you've got

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crevasses on the north side, You've got, however, many different

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glaciers now, multiple ridge lines. You can get lost very easily.

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The rocks change, there's all sorts of gullies and all

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of the creeks that run through, and pinnacles and hoodoos,

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and it's an absolutely incredible space. So a mountain itself

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is massive amounts of energy, right and then all the

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people bringing their energy. So I would not say that

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that's far fetched at all. I don't think that I

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would say weird, but it's it's you can't it's unexplainable,

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you know, like in every mountain has its energy, and

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every area has its energy and moult Shasta's heavy energy

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man big time.

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Yeah, I've got a list of different places I want

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to check out, and I'm at the point I need

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to start branching out from Oregon a little bit. But

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it's just it's so cool, man. But I'm like, I

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gotta I gotta start hitting some northern California and some

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other places too. But you know, Mandy, you know, as

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after you had that that first experience, can you think

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of any other interesting things that happened that you know,

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kind of made you take notice as you're you're hiking

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around the Western States.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So I haven't really experienced anything else like that around

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sisk County like I mentioned, But I have experienced my

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most recent experience, and this is the reason why I.

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Reached out to you.

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I saw a video about someone talking about Pinchow and

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I had an experience in Gifford Pincho last September that

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was you know, I mean, I just in my heart

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and in my soul, I was just like, no, this

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is just bigfoot activity. It just feels like bigfoot activity.

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It just feels like it out here. And so I

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had gone on about a five day it wasn't a

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backpacking trip because I now I have a tent on

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my trucks and now I'm kind of spoiled, and I

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do just more overlanding versus backpacking. So but I went

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to I went through, you know, to Mount Jefferson, and

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then I went to Mount Adams, and then I was

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staying the night in between Mount Adams and Mount Saint

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Helen's and there was a lot. I stayed three nights

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in between before the Thursday when I climbed to Mount

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Saint Helens, which that was the main, main reason for

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going up. I'm gonna sum at Mount Saint Helens. I'm

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just gonna make it, you know, a week long trip

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out of it. So that's what I love to do,

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paddle board and do the whole thing. And it was

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in between and I actually pulled out my map because

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I made notes on my maps. I also met make

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maps for a living, so I made Yeah, so I

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made some maps and I was like, okay. So there

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was a couple of camp grounds with lake access that

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I slept at, and the one of them and I

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have a couple of just X marks here that both

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nights that I was there, I felt somebody else there

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there wasn't anybody else there, but it was more of

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like someone like peering in at me from the woods

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than just that feeling that you get. And I caught

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a fish, and that morning I caught like a nice

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little brick trout. When I was going to cook it

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up and I heard this again, I'm getting goosebumps again.

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It was like a whooping across the lake almost like yes,

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you got one, you got one. And I was just like,

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what was that not again? Not having any kind of

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an idea of Gifford Pinchot's the first time I've ever

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been in Gifford pincho And it just the feeling there,

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man like it was just suck so crazy to me

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because I kept finding all these tree breaks and the

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tree bait where they're just like bent over. There's like, dude,

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a bear is not going to break this truth like

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this figure round. But they were so uniformed it was

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almost like they were at like the six foot level.

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There was so many of them. I found probably twelve

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of them the first couple nights that I was there,

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and that, you know, I just kind of had it

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in my head and I'm like, ah, this has been

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really interesting. And I thought I could smell some bear.

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I didn't see any bear. It seems to me like

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that's bear country and it was pretty strange to me

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that I didn't see any bear. But then I made

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my way over from it was ol Ali Lake. The

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last place to stay it was ol Ali and what

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a beautiful spot, and so I made my way over. Okay,

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I love that you're saying, oh yeah, because now I'm like, dude,

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I need to hear more about this, like because I

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was just like, what is happening here? And it's like,

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I guess it's like twenty three that you come over. Anyway,

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I ended up somehow getting from ol Ali Lake over

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to Monitor Ridges, where I was going to start climbing

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mount saying, Helen's that's my plan is to.

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Get over through there.

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Well, I got detoured a couple of times and found

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this place called ape Cave, and I thought, wow, ape Cave.

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That's pretty interesting. I wonder why it's.

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Called ape Cave.

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So I've got this in my head the whole time.

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So I didn't camp at Monitor Ridge bivouac. It was

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too like it's just un level. I needed a better

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spot to camp, so I found myself an old logging road.

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It was kind of close, maybe ten miles from the bivouac.

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I think I'm saying that correctly. Anyway, that night it

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was so heavy for me that I couldn't sleep in

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my tent. I just couldn't do it. And I'm not

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afraid of the dark, and I'm not afraid of the woods.

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I've been out there for a really long time by myself,

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and there's very little that can scare me off outside

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of a man in a big truck, right, And that's

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pretty much the only thing where I'm like, nahm, and

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I you know, I'm yeah, I'm smart about it.

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I'm packing right.

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So I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm not gonna

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sleep in my tent tonight. I'm going to probably sleep

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in the cab of my truck and just get up

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early and climb the mountain and get out of here.

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And that was because my pre dinner walk I parked

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my truck. I'm thinking about this beautiful area and I

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can't wait to come back and explore this mohere. I

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want to see some of these meadows out here. And

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I took a little walk behind my truck up a hill,

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down a little trail. It was kind of like a

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deer trail system. And I found myself in the middle

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of this really strange feeling area. And it wasn't a meadow,

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it wasn't a it was a clearing. There was definitely

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a clearing there, but there were broken trees almost in

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a half circle around this whole area, so it was

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pretty deliberate. It felt like it was like, Okay, this

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is like a spot right, like something's going on. Well,

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when I was down there, I heard whooping in the

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woods and I was just like, okay, that's creepy.

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Like I'm a couple miles from ray truck.

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I'm gonna like get back to the truck, start walking

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back to the truck, and I got it. I'm starting

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to shake. This is crazy. I didn't think this would

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affect me. Like I'm walking back to the truck and

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I'm about, I don't know, maybe a quarter a mile max.

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From my truck. I know that my truck was going

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to be right around the corner. And I heard the

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loudest knock And it wasn't like a tree falling down.

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I didn't see anything flying, I didn't nothing like that,

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But it was just like it sounded like either a

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branch this big or a rock this big hitting something

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else really hard, right, and I just, dude, I just split.

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I started running. I got to my truck. I put

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all my stuff back in my truck, and I just

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sat there outside of the truck because by this point

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it's dark, like I'm walking around in the dark, right,

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And so I was just like, there's something following me.

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I didn't hear anything following me, but I thought I

460
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.880
could swear that I could smell dogs. I was like,

461
00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:50.799
there's wet dogs out here. For sure, there's wet dogs.

462
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.680
And I didn't know if there was wolves up there.

463
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:56.720
I know, you know, in Oregon, like I mentioned, I

464
00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.640
had come face to face with a wolf. And when

465
00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:01.799
I say to face, I mean about twenty five feet away.

466
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.960
Obviously not right here. But I didn't expect that, and

467
00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:07.839
so I was like, well, maybe it's wolves. Maybe it's coyotes.

468
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.359
I've had a lot of run in with coyote, but

469
00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:13.839
normally you hear them, normally they're making it like so

470
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:18.119
still just feeling really uneasy, almost like somebody's messing with

471
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:19.880
me is kind of what I thought. I thought that

472
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.920
maybe there was men out there, trying to mess with me,

473
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.039
and I'm like, okay, I'm not sleeping in my tent.

474
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.519
So I didn't put my tent up, slept in the truck.

475
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.519
Everything seemed to be fine, slept most of the night,

476
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:32.400
and woke up to the in the middle of the

477
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.359
night to something rocking my truck back and forth. Oh

478
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:39.000
my goodness, and my truck is like I've got a tacoma.

479
00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:40.640
And then I've got the tent on the top, so

480
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.480
it's kind of tall, and it's like and I'm in

481
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.359
the like the back cab part of my truck sleeping

482
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.839
and it's maybe one thirty in the morning, and it

483
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.480
woke me up, and so now I'm like, okay, something's

484
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.960
something's really rocking my truck. Well I got a little emboldened,

485
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:01.160
i think at that point, because I'm like, no, forget this,

486
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:02.799
I'm not going to deal with this. So then I

487
00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:04.640
get up and I get out with my flashlight and

488
00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.400
I'm looking around and I don't see anything.

489
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:08.200
And then I got back in.

490
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.599
And I was like, okay, locked the truck, fell back asleep,

491
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.960
didn't have another encounter, didn't have anything else happened to me.

492
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:17.440
That was pretty much it.

493
00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:23.279
So Yeah, that is absolutely horrifying. And this is before

494
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:27.240
you really knew the information about what goes on in

495
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.440
the whole Gifford beIN show Home My God.

496
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.079
Yes, yeah, And I still have no clue.

497
00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:37.640
I still don't have any idea of the magnitude. I've

498
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.799
seen like two things on Gifford Pinchow. And as soon

499
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:42.440
as I told a couple of my friends like I

500
00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:44.240
had this weird thing happen, and they were like, dude,

501
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:47.599
you were in between Mount Adams and Mount Saint Allan's, Like, Mandy,

502
00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.759
that's a really really popular place for them, Like a

503
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.839
lot of people have those types of experiences there and that.

504
00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:57.960
It really is. Yeah, did you see any tracks or

505
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.720
anything the next morning? Were you able to look around

506
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:01.279
or No?

507
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:03.799
I didn't actually because I got up at three point

508
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.440
thirty in the morning, made my coffee and then started

509
00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:08.480
hiking the mountain because I wanted to sum it by

510
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.400
you know, eight or so in the morning. So and

511
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.240
then I left right after, you know, as soon as

512
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.079
I got down from Mount Saint Helens, I split.

513
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:16.720
I didn't.

514
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:19.200
I didn't even go back to that spot, Like I'd

515
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.319
really like to go back to that spot and spend

516
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:24.640
some time there, so you know, and I'm gonna have

517
00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:26.680
to find on the on the map exactly where I

518
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:28.599
was at and see like if I can pinpoint it

519
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.839
and be like, okay, this is where this is. I

520
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.559
didn't even take notes, so, which is pretty pretty unlike me.

521
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:38.680
Actually it would be really Yeah, that would be interesting.

522
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:43.559
And so if if you go to bigfost Society podcast

523
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.839
dot com and then I have a sighting map there

524
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.160
and then you look at Gifford Pinchot National Forest, there

525
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.480
are so many dots and these are people that I've

526
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:54.759
talked to on the show. You know, there's an old

527
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:59.039
Lally Lake one that was a member's episode about a

528
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.680
guy that had some really weird stuff happened over there.

529
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:06.400
And then, oh my god, I'm sweating Jeremiah, like I'm

530
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:07.960
literally talking about that.

531
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:09.920
Yeah, I'm okay, Yeah, you're good.

532
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:10.519
Yeah good.

533
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.960
It's like there's a physiological thing going on here.

534
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.440
Definitely your account, because you said it was south of

535
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:22.400
down By eight Cave, right, m h yeah, So that

536
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:28.400
reminds me of I'm trying to find the exact one.

537
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:35.079
There was a woman I talked to where she was

538
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:43.079
overlanding and she pretty much broke down in this area

539
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:50.440
south of Saint Helen's and the rangers came out and

540
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:53.200
were trying to help her, and then all of a sudden,

541
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.440
pretty much they started hearing whoops all around them in

542
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:59.920
the woods, and the rangers got freaked out and like

543
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.680
see you later and left her there. Oh the mess,

544
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:06.759
And so she had to stay there, and then thankfully

545
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.640
she got one of her buddies to come over and fixer,

546
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:13.920
fix your vehicle. And that's that's on the map, one

547
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.160
of the pins. I can't I can't find the exact

548
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.759
one right now, but like you're you're what happened to

549
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.440
you is a thing like stuff like that happens a

550
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.880
lot in that area that Gifford beincho And I mean

551
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.359
then you have places like you know, Tire Junction and

552
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.599
Scuka Meadows. Has so much stuff happened in Scuka Meadows

553
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:32.920
and that's that's in that.

554
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.200
It's like in between, right, Yeah, So I think that

555
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:39.839
that's actually the that's the one episode that I listened

556
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.200
to and it was an older gentleman and he was

557
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.960
talking about Scuka Meadows and how he goes out there,

558
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:46.559
and I think he was the one that said that

559
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.359
he had placed cameras and he had like cameras outside

560
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.279
he was in one of the little islands, and as

561
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.720
I'm listening, I'm like, this is this is really close

562
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:57.759
to where I was. And that's when it clicked for

563
00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.680
me that I was like, I need to get a

564
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.559
hold of guy and tell him that I had these

565
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.200
because a lot of my friends, you know, I love

566
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:06.920
my friends, I love my friends, I love my family,

567
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.319
but I think a lot of people are highly skeptical

568
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:14.200
and that's okay, but I just don't really share things

569
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.920
that often, like these things are you know, my stuff

570
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:18.599
that I do, Like all of my notes that I

571
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:20.759
take and my maps and my drawings, and like all

572
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:22.880
of this stuff will be something that maybe my son

573
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:24.240
finds one day, you know what I mean, Like, I

574
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.839
don't share this kind of stuff really, So to me,

575
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.839
finding you guys, finding you and the people that listen

576
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:34.000
to your podcast and follow the Bigfoot Society like really lit.

577
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:34.480
Something for me.

578
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:36.200
And I'm like, and this is because it's very recent

579
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.359
for me that I found you, so so I'm just

580
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.599
really stoked to hear more and find out more and

581
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:43.160
go back up.

582
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.440
I can't wait to go back up. I have a

583
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:45.480
plan I'm.

584
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.720
Happy you're you're gonna, you're gonna open up the can

585
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:52.599
of worms, because I mean, there is is so there's

586
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.400
so much information when you start looking into the Gifford

587
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:58.160
Pinchot and all the bigfoot activity there, and I mean

588
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.000
it is a thing where there is definitely something going

589
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:06.480
on there. Because you know, you have Skiminia County. It's

590
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.079
pretty much protected there. I mean, they have an ordinance

591
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:15.480
where you'll get in trouble if you mess around with

592
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.519
a sasquatch. And I want to get the exact wording

593
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:25.480
real quick because I don't have it. Yeah, designates the

594
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:29.519
county as a Sasquatch refuge, makes it a crime to

595
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.599
willfully kill or hurt Bigfoot. Violators can face up to

596
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.079
one year in jail in a one thousand dollars fine

597
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:42.200
that started in nineteen sixty nine. So there's that, and

598
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.079
I mean there's so. I mean, you could look into

599
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:51.000
the whole Ape Canyon deal. That's a really cool historical

600
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:55.000
story from the nineteen twenties, I believe about what happened

601
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:56.880
to the miners up there. That's a really cool rabbit

602
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:03.759
trail to go down. Question about your your ordeal. So

603
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.240
when you I'm sure you know you were thinking back

604
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:14.440
and trying to figure out what happened, and so what

605
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.519
do you think it was that was was shaking your vehicle?

606
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.119
That honest honestly, I've rationalized it and I and I've said,

607
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.880
you know what, you dreamt it, it's not it didn't happen.

608
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.559
Likely you were just you know, it's your it's before

609
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.880
a climb, you're uncomfortable. You didn't sleep in your tent

610
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.599
because you were uncomfortable last night. You thought something was

611
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:37.759
watching you, something through something at least, if not at you,

612
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.240
toward you. And so in my head, I'm just going, Okay, dude,

613
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.200
you were just freaked out. You probably just dreamt it.

614
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.960
You probably just dreamt the truck rocking, right, But everything

615
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.279
outside of that, like I can't rationalize. I can't say, oh,

616
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:53.759
that probably just didn't happen, you.

617
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.279
Know, So I don't know.

618
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.279
I just I just felt for me, I just felt

619
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.359
like this has got to be bigfoot activity, Like I

620
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:04.400
don't know what else this would be. And for me,

621
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.079
it was a lot just the tree breaks, right because

622
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:07.759
I see the tree bricks. Because I'm a total noub

623
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.400
I don't really know what I'm looking for I've heard

624
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:15.279
about whoops, I've heard about hair and skunk capes. Like,

625
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:17.519
I've watched some stuff on skun capes, and they smell

626
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:18.480
like wet dogs.

627
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:19.680
Well so to bearss.

628
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.799
Bears smell like wet dogs also, and dogs smell like

629
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.079
wet dogs. And so for me, I rationalize things because

630
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:28.200
I'm a scientist, right, I'm like, well, no, it's probably embarrassed.

631
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.240
It is likely a bear bed area because I've done

632
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.880
that before. Also, I've actually slept in the bear bed

633
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.799
unknowingly and lasso yeah.

634
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:39.559
Real, oh yeah, goodness, you're yeah wild I know, dude.

635
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.720
It was when I first started and I didn't even

636
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.400
have a tent and I yeah, I had like a

637
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.680
bivvy and so I was out camping in the wilderness

638
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:50.920
and melt lasson and it was dark because I had

639
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.359
just hiked too far and I'm like, I need to

640
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.079
find a place to camp, and so I just zipped

641
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.599
myself into my bivvy and found the most comforty patch

642
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:01.119
of grass that I could find, and it smelled like

643
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.720
dogs smell like a wet dog. And that was one

644
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:06.240
of the nights that I actually got woken up by

645
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.440
a pack of coyote because they killed something at a

646
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.799
lake nearby, and so they were doing their thing back

647
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.680
and forth, and they were running right through where my

648
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.319
camp was and woke me up in the middle of

649
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:15.599
the night.

650
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:17.359
So I was like, okay, here we go.

651
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:19.519
Well in the morning, dude, I woke up to a

652
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.640
pile of bear poop that was like and I could

653
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.759
have touched it with like I could have touched it. It

654
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.759
was that close to me. So somebody it was like Goldilocks,

655
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:31.759
here is in my y brand new it was. I

656
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:33.359
have a picture of it. I'll send you a picture

657
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.000
of it if I can find it. It had drips

658
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:37.880
even off of it, which is disgusting.

659
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:38.319
I realized.

660
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:44.720
So you know lived Goldilock and Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

661
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.920
You yeah, yeah, yeah.

662
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:50.720
Oh my goodness, you're so lucky. You were, I know,

663
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:55.119
so crazy lucky. I can't believe. That's a wild, wild story.

664
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.720
So do you want to go back to Gifford Pinchot

665
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.240
and to investigate it more?

666
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.039
Actually have a plan to Yep, I have a plan too,

667
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:06.400
So I think likely I'm going to do it again

668
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.880
in September. So I've got myself a five day slot

669
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.960
of time that I plan on going back up. I

670
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.199
don't know if I'll try to climb Mount Saint Helens again,

671
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:20.119
but I definitely want to go up. And just I

672
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:21.760
just experienced it a little bit more. There was a

673
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:23.760
couple more lakes than I made some notes on when

674
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.639
I was driving through that, I'm like, this place would

675
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:29.960
be pretty sweet to camp at. I ended up at Olali.

676
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.880
It is where I ended up at, but I want

677
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.400
to check out some more stuff in there, and I

678
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:36.000
want to go a little bit north of there too

679
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.760
and check out. And now I want to see Scuca Meadow.

680
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:40.639
Now I'm like, I really would like to see all

681
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:41.559
of that, So I want to.

682
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.760
Yeah, Scuka Meadows is such a really interesting because I mean,

683
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.719
you've got that episode that you brought up with the

684
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.039
individual and he had the camera set up and he

685
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.119
was also just you know, I think it was solo

686
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.519
camping in that meadow in just a sleeping bag. But

687
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.320
then if you can really look into Big for History

688
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.400
a little bit and look up something called the Scukum cast,

689
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.000
and this is back I want to say, it's around

690
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.559
like twenty years ago. You can you can read about

691
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:14.760
this a lot in doctor Meldrum's book Sasquatch legend meets

692
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.760
science pretty much. Long story short is, they made this

693
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:26.920
cast of they they found where a sasquatch had laid

694
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:32.440
down in mud and tried to reach and get apples

695
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:36.599
that had been placed there by Tom Powell. And so

696
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:44.199
they have this incredible body cast, but like body cast

697
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:48.280
of love the lower part of a sasquatch. And there's

698
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.239
a lot more to it. But if I was going

699
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.360
to skuok them meadows, I would take a little bit

700
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.719
of time, and you can find all the situation online

701
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.519
to just look up scuokum cast. Yeah, just so you

702
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.480
can if you want to nerd out and appreciate it

703
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:04.800
or I mean, that's up to you, you know you.

704
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.800
Yeah, I probably will want to. Yeah, probably love.

705
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:16.239
It that that area is a wild wild area. Yeah,

706
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.119
And I mean you know about Mount Adams, how there's uh,

707
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.119
there's a lot of UFO sightings over there as well.

708
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.400
Oh yeah, I don't. I don't know anything for UFOs.

709
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:31.719
In addition, really some weird, weird stuff over there. And yeah,

710
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.440
once you once you dig into it. So so that

711
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.000
must have affected you after you had that experience south

712
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:43.519
of me of Saint Helen's and some like that had

713
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:46.440
to affected how you went out in the woods, did

714
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:46.840
it at all?

715
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.159
Or were you just well, I mean not really, Jeremiah, Honestly,

716
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:55.760
to me, I feel like again, like like the I

717
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:57.440
hate to say that I don't have anything that I'm

718
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.280
afraid of then, because because that's that would be wrong, right,

719
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.719
That's incorrect. There are things that I that I have fear,

720
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:08.400
that I'm apprehensive of. However, I don't think. I think

721
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.719
inside of me again, I rationalize things, and I think

722
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.199
it's not going to hurt me, Like I don't think

723
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.800
that something's going to hurt me. I understand that sometimes

724
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.159
I can get into a situation. We have black bear here.

725
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:27.000
They're highly timid, they run most of the time. You're

726
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:28.559
never going to have a problem with a black bear,

727
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.360
not in the lower forty eight anyway. And I have

728
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.360
never been around grizzlies, but I am highly nervous to

729
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.039
go camping or solo backpacking in Idaho and areas where

730
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.400
they have grizzly bears there. I think that I would

731
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:44.599
be a lot more concerned that it was a grizzly

732
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:48.039
bear versus a bigfoot. I feel like, in some strange

733
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:53.800
comforting sense, I'm not afraid of bigfoot, And maybe that's

734
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:58.840
naive and stupid of me, but I just don't feel

735
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:03.800
like I don't feel a threatening aura by it, even

736
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.199
if I feel like I'm being watched.

737
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:07.239
So I don't know.

738
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:08.960
I think maybe at this point, I think I'm just

739
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:12.559
naive and maybe got a little bit too big of

740
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.079
an ego, like I'm fine, I'm gonna be fine.

741
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:16.760
I'm not afraid of the dark.

742
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.559
I got a climb a tree, I've got you know, protection,

743
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.280
There's things that I have that make me feel safer.

744
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:29.320
So again, if it's a you know, big whatever color

745
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:33.440
vehicle that's following me down old logging roads, that's a

746
00:38:33.440 --> 00:38:36.679
totally different story, totally different story. And there are places

747
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.360
in the world that are in the Western United States

748
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:43.119
that I've been that I don't won't go back to

749
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:48.880
because of situations like that, you know, I mean, during

750
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.880
the time of large scale marijuana cultivation. You don't want

751
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.280
to find yourself in the wrong spot. There's a lot

752
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.760
of things like that, but it's mainly human that is

753
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.159
the like the the no go for me. You know,

754
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.039
if it's a human, I'm not going to mess with it.

755
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.639
So you're talking more probably like Emerald Triangle northern California

756
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:10.400
when you talk about stuff like that.

757
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:12.639
Yeah, you know, the humbold Area, there's some there's some

758
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:14.280
places out there that you don't want to You don't

759
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:16.559
want to go out there unless you're invited. And we

760
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:18.559
have some areas up in here in Siske County that

761
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.679
are similar also, you just you just don't, you just stare,

762
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:23.440
steer clear of those areas.

763
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.760
Yeah.

764
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:31.960
So at this point, is your is your main goal

765
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:39.119
then still going out and enjoying nature and documenting things

766
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:44.440
for your mother, et cetera. Or yeah, or so that's

767
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:49.000
that's goal number one. Has it changed where now? I

768
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.320
feel that it might change as you go along where

769
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.360
you're like, as you start to maybe have more experiences

770
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.880
that could be related to Sasquatch, you start to realize

771
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.480
and notice more or more things. Do you think it's

772
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.079
changing as you do more outdoor activities or maybe not? Yeah?

773
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.440
Yeah, I think it's slowly, Like gradually I'm getting more

774
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.159
and more bigfoot aware, you know, I'm getting more of that.

775
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.920
Like just for for example, two days ago, Moarel hunting

776
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.079
on Mount Shasta. Pretty sure I found a print, so

777
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:23.719
and I have a picture of it and I'm like,

778
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.039
it looks like a big, huge foot. To me, this

779
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:29.519
is crazy. And then recently I've had some other people

780
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.920
be like, we found bigfoot tracks on Moult Shasta.

781
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.000
So I think now I'm just like more aware.

782
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.559
Whereas before I'm looking for bear tracks, I'm looking for

783
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.440
wolf tracks, like I've tracked wolves before for fun, you know.

784
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.119
And it's like, I think that it's just an animal

785
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.280
that's been added to my list of things that I

786
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.400
would love to photograph at some point, you know what

787
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:50.960
I mean, or love to really see at some point.

788
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.480
Doesn't mean I want to meet him at two o'clock

789
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:55.639
in the morning when I'm in the middle of nowhere.

790
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.159
But I'm right intrigued.

791
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:04.960
Yeah, it sounds like you have the right, I could say,

792
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:10.960
almost intentions. Some people go about this the wrong way

793
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.639
and they're you know, oh, I want to have an

794
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:17.159
interaction so I can become famous. Well, and dude, you're

795
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:20.559
not really going to have anything happen, and that's just stuff.

796
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.360
That's how it goes, right, Yeah, And I think for me,

797
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.559
like all of this stuff is just like an awesome

798
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.119
byproduct of what I'm doing already. And make no mistake,

799
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.360
it's not altruistic, like I'm not just doing it for

800
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:32.920
my mom and other people, like I'm doing it for

801
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.320
me because this is my favorite.

802
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:35.320
Thing to do.

803
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.519
And also I love seeing my pictures. I'm also a photographer,

804
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:40.960
and so I you know, I love looking back and

805
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:43.679
be like I did that, I climbed that, I went here, like, oh,

806
00:41:43.719 --> 00:41:45.760
I got to go back here. That's right, I was here.

807
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:48.280
So it's still like a huge passion for me. And

808
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:52.400
I think that Bigfoot and bears and birds and snakes

809
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.239
and everything, it's all just like this awesome byproduct of

810
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.719
like we live with these creatures on this world, and

811
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:01.960
I'm so stoked that just to be here to witness it.

812
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.159
So I think that more than anything, it's just like fun,

813
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:05.679
you know.

814
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:14.280
And exactly have you ever done any outdoors things or

815
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.039
had any experiences like down in the Mount Hood National

816
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:21.280
Forest or like Clackamas County area.

817
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.000
Yeah, I've camped around Mount Hood quite a few times.

818
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:26.760
I have some good friends that live in Portland, and

819
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.880
so I always try to make my way in. There's

820
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.800
a like a fish lake up there that I've been

821
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.079
to a few times. I don't typically go to the

822
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.920
popular places, but I like to find stuff like a

823
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.960
little off the beaten path, and I found this amazing

824
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:42.840
camp site up there. I want to say it's like

825
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:45.960
Silver Creek, and I don't know, so it's really I

826
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.079
have spent some time up there. I haven't ever had

827
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:54.719
any experiences up there that were uncomfortable, not like I

828
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.000
did at Mount Saint Helen's area that was actually uncomfortable

829
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:03.800
for me. That was actually a like yikes, that was uncomfortable,

830
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:05.920
you know. But now I'm intrigued and I want to

831
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.159
go back.

832
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:13.880
Things. Man, that area is like it all depends what

833
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.920
you want to check out. I mean, because like, for example,

834
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:19.280
this stuff, I mean, if you're looking at a map

835
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.719
and really you just have to look at the sighting

836
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:22.639
map that I have.

837
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:24.679
I can't wait to check them out.

838
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:28.880
All there's all the stuff that's just west of Mount Hood.

839
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.679
And then you've got like the Oregon Bigfoot Highway. That's

840
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.159
a fun that's a fun thing to look into if

841
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.320
you've never looked into that. It kind of goes down

842
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.000
from Esticada down to Detroit. There's a ton of activity

843
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:45.880
on that road. It's a little remote too, and there's

844
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.039
some cool camp camping areas along there that might be

845
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:54.360
something to look into. But okay, yeah, have you ever

846
00:43:54.519 --> 00:44:01.280
had a situation where there must have been some time.

847
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.840
I mean, if you're out there for twenty plus years

848
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:10.440
doing solo stuff where you know, things got really intense

849
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:15.639
and maybe you know, I don't want to say it

850
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:18.239
almost caused the end, but it got pretty close to

851
00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.199
Have there been any really close calls when you've been

852
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:21.639
out there?

853
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:23.400
Yeah, there was.

854
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.719
There were a couple of times, actually, yeah, a handful

855
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:30.559
of times, I guess, mostly to do with the ocean,

856
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:33.440
I think, but also a couple of times in Death

857
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:39.480
Valley that were pretty sketchy. I locked myself out of

858
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:43.960
my rig in Death Valley in Marble Canyon, which is

859
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.679
really far out. It's like on a crazy four x

860
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:49.920
four road, and the canyon's beautiful and amazing. But I

861
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.960
actually locked myself out of my truck, and I thought, okay, well,

862
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:56.480
I mean I can break a window, I can break

863
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:00.000
in right, which is fine, and so I didn't really

864
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.039
worry too much about it. But like later thinking about

865
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:08.480
like Mandy, like that's not that's not good. Nobody knew

866
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:10.960
where you are. You're out in the middle of nowhere.

867
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:13.159
This whole thing happened. I managed to break into my

868
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:17.239
truck without too much issue. But I also that same

869
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:22.199
trip actually got caught in a flash flood. I shouldn't

870
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.920
say caught in it, because I actually got through it,

871
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:26.079
but I think that a lot of the people that

872
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:28.199
were behind me up on the hill got caught in it.

873
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:30.760
A lot of cars got stuck that year that were

874
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.239
just it was just like crazy flashblood. And I heard

875
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.800
it raining. It was about two in the morning and

876
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.039
I heard rain, and you know, and Death Valley.

877
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:39.559
You're like, not good.

878
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.159
I'm in a canyon, like I got to get out

879
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:43.159
of here. So I put my tent away as fast

880
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.559
as I possibly could and just haul butt down the mountain.

881
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:49.199
I was over on the in the Funeral Range at

882
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:53.000
that point in time, and coming down from there, just

883
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:58.760
hauling down this hill. I could hear water coming down

884
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.199
like I could hear it. And you're crazy, You're not

885
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.599
hearing water. There's no possible way you're hearing. But I

886
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:06.159
can almost feel like hear pebbles like coming down the

887
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:08.840
mountain like at like towards me. And when I got

888
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:11.679
down to the main road and turned right to get

889
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:15.199
like away from bad Lands area at that point, so

890
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.880
headed out of the park towards Nova towards north.

891
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.440
Basically, there was so much water.

892
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.039
Coming down the side of the hill and the next

893
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.119
day people were just caught in it. There was like

894
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:29.480
jeeps that didn't get recovered. There was all sorts of

895
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:32.199
people's vehicles that didn't get recovered. But I think me

896
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:34.599
just hearing that first drop of rain at two in

897
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.239
the morning was like get out now, and I did.

898
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:38.920
I ended up.

899
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.599
Getting out and it was okay. I've had quite a

900
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:42.519
few things like that.

901
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.239
Yeah, you got something looking out for you, Mandy. That's

902
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.320
that's some You got some wild wild stuff. Do you

903
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:51.480
ever have to have you ever had any dealings with

904
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:54.679
like with forest fires out there?

905
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.679
No, thankfully I haven't ever dealt with that, But no forests.

906
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.559
I could see the forest though. I was at Pains

907
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:05.800
Lake and it had broken out in Callahan area, and

908
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:08.280
so I could tell that there was a big fire

909
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:09.840
and I was like four miles out, but it was

910
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:11.480
so far away from me at that point, I could

911
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.800
probably have been up there for a while without it

912
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:15.599
coming over the ridge.

913
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.119
Like, I could have gotten out of there if I

914
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.000
need so I just stayed. You know.

915
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:23.320
It was fine, Yeah, it can be. It can be

916
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:26.159
some scary stuff and I'm not sure. I mean, I've

917
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:31.800
heard that the fire season out out in the PNW

918
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.000
this year is going to be really really rough. It

919
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.199
could be a extremely rough because there's no snowpack. Do

920
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:42.639
you use like a do you use a Garmin type

921
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.559
of beacon when you go out or anything like that?

922
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:48.440
I don't. I should, but I don't. I'm bad, I know, dude.

923
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.639
And I I'm also one of those people that changes

924
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:54.320
my itinerary as I go, So, like I tell people, like,

925
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:57.119
this will be I'm climbing Mount Saint Helen's on the seventeenth.

926
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.960
I have a permit, but I don't know where I'm

927
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.880
to go in between, and like my people.

928
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:05.960
Just kind of accept that that's the way that it is.

929
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:07.840
Because a tree will wave at me from this ridge

930
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.039
every ear and I gotta go like I don't know,

931
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:16.679
like and so I just yeah, I'm very safe, I'm

932
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:19.960
very thorough, I'm very fit. I have good gear, I

933
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.320
have good water, I have a filter, I have you

934
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.599
know what I mean. I think the main thing for

935
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.360
me would be a fall. A fall would be not great.

936
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.280
And I've almost been bit by a rattlesnake once and

937
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:32.880
that would be not great. And so I know that

938
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.480
there are things and I probably should just get an

939
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.840
in reach or something. And I've thought about it for years, Dude,

940
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.440
I just haven't done it for whatever reason.

941
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:44.239
I would totally say that's a great idea. I have

942
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:48.800
one when I go out anywhere. But listeners, if you're

943
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:53.079
going out, have something like that, Please, for the love

944
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.400
of goodness, do it. You never know, I mean, you

945
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:59.559
never know. As you said, there's rattlesnakes out there, and

946
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:04.280
but one fall in one of these areas when you're

947
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.360
the only person out there and there's not a lot

948
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.599
of traffic that could take you out right.

949
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.760
Yes, for sure, for sure. And the older I get,

950
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:14.840
the more I do fall. You know, I'm forty eight

951
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:18.800
now and I fall a lot more often now. So yes,

952
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:20.360
I know, and I need to just do it. I

953
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.639
just wrote myself, I'm taking notes during this. Then I

954
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:24.679
just wrote a note that was like, yeah, no, be

955
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.920
a better role model for people. They get an enterach.

956
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:33.920
Dude, there you go. Yeah, they're good stuff. Not a sponsor,

957
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:38.920
but it's something I would recommend everyone to have. Well, Mandy,

958
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.320
this has been This has been really fun chatting with you.

959
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:47.280
So let's say, do you have any goals for the

960
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.199
next year or it sounds like a big goal would

961
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:53.760
be to get back to the Gifford Pinchot maybe search.

962
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.719
So I mean, you could really just spend the next

963
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.840
few years just really looking into the Binchot. It is

964
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:01.719
so big, you know.

965
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.559
Yeah, Well, and that's what I've spent twenty two years

966
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:09.400
looking into this area, right and so, and there's you

967
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.159
could never explore everything that's around me. So I do

968
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.639
come up to Oregon quite a bit. Oregon is one

969
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.920
of my favorite places. I believe I'll probably move there

970
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:20.719
at some point in my life. I've just started dipping

971
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:25.199
into Washington. I did a two week Olympic Peninsula trip

972
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.400
three years ago, and I've just kept telling myself I

973
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.280
need to go back up there and do that again. Also,

974
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:33.440
so I've just barely broken the surface in Washington. Honestly,

975
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.679
I've had a handful of hike ups, hikes up there

976
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:42.920
closely around Portland area, and then that trip up this

977
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.960
last trip up there last September. So, but I do

978
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:48.280
you know I would like to climb I don't know,

979
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.800
climb a mountain. I don't know which one I'd like

980
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.079
to get back up and do some stuff. I feel

981
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:55.119
like I I take a three year or forty a

982
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:57.639
weekend every month no matter what, and then I try

983
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.840
to do weekend hikes. Now that I'm working and I'm

984
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.840
not teaching or working at a school and I don't

985
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.440
have the two months off every year, it's been a

986
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.679
lot more difficult to take the trips that I would

987
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:12.079
like to take sure, so I have to kind of

988
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:14.480
fit them in, but I still do.

989
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:21.360
That's awesome. That's very important too. I think something I

990
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:25.880
will ask when people sign up, and I just want

991
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:29.039
to check. So I have people all the time like, oh,

992
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:30.679
I want to reach out to this person, how do

993
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.320
I reach out? So you are actually okay with people

994
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:35.119
reaching out to you?

995
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.119
Correct, Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm so

996
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:41.440
solo that you know. I mean a good A group

997
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:44.360
of friends is a good thing. Meeting cool new people

998
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:46.480
is a good thing. And I'm actually going to be

999
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.639
at the Sasquatch the summer Fest. Also, I went ahead

1000
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.000
and got tickets for that, so I'm pretty stoked to

1001
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:56.000
hear some stories and meet some cool people. And so yeah,

1002
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.079
if you see me and you recognize me, please say hi,

1003
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:02.159
because I'm definitely out there to just yeah, let's just

1004
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:03.920
talk about cool stuff.

1005
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.400
That's awesome. I am looking forward to that as well.

1006
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.280
I will be there unless something crazy happens, but I'm

1007
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:16.199
sure and on being there again. Oakridge is a great time,

1008
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.639
so I hope to meet you there as well. But

1009
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:23.679
I'll have I've got some ways that Mandy has provided

1010
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:25.639
and you can find those in the show notes in

1011
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:30.280
the description on how to how to contact her in

1012
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:32.280
case you're like, hey, I've got some info about the

1013
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.920
Gifford Pinchow and I'm an Overlander. I know there's a

1014
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:39.679
few of you guys that are also into Bigfoot, and that.

1015
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:42.639
Would be so sweet. So yeah, that would be awesome.

1016
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:46.719
Any kind of information would be super bad, absolutely insane

1017
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:47.239
if you're.

1018
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.679
Coming out here, you know what I mean, Like, let

1019
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:49.920
me know.

1020
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.519
And it's definitely if you're coming out here, let me know, man,

1021
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:53.679
because I've got some spots.

1022
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:57.320
You know, absolutely, I will keep that in my Mandy,

1023
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:58.920
thank you so much for coming on the show. I

1024
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.800
think we'll definely have to keep an eye on stuff

1025
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.480
that you're putting out and maybe get an update it

1026
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.840
in a year or so, see how things are going

1027
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.159
for you and what happened when you were able to

1028
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:14.519
get back into the Gifford Pinchot.

1029
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:17.719
That sounds great. Thank you so much, Jeremiah's rad meeting you.

1030
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:18.760
Thank you for having me on.

1031
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:22.440
Thank you. Have you ever heard all the accounts of

1032
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:26.760
bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man,

1033
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.239
I would love to get out in those woods and

1034
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:34.360
experience it for myself. Well, guess what This year you can.

1035
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:37.960
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

1036
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:42.920
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1037
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.599
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

1038
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:50.800
even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll

1039
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:53.119
be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild.

1040
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:58.679
I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you

1041
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:05.280
haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

1042
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.360
you just got to be there. We'll leave it that

1043
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.159
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

1044
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:15.400
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

1045
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:20.400
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

1046
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.559
not only go to the festival, but you can also

1047
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:31.159
sign up for a track deep in the wild forest

1048
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.920
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots

1049
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.880
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

1050
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:43.559
up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed

1051
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.800
for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is

1052
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.920
Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in lifetime deal.

1053
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:53.159
It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

1054
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.280
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

1055
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.760
dot com and and listeners can use the code b

1056
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:07.480
sp like Bigfoot Society Podcast in order to get a

1057
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:10.559
two day pass for the price of a one day pass.

1058
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:15.800
So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

1059
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:22.280
that you guys can can get a little help with

1060
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.639
the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see

1061
00:55:25.639 --> 00:55:29.880
you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can

1062
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:32.199
talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so

1063
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:35.880
many people last year and the year before. It is

1064
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.840
an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,

1065
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:43.599
and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode,

1066
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.239
I want to say something directly to a very specific

1067
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.760
group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch

1068
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.760
or forces, and if you've seen something that no one

1069
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:56.119
can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger, a

1070
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.639
forestreet worker who's been told to stay quiet. If you're

1071
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:03.119
a PI who's seen something strange down on the ground,

1072
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.280
or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or

1073
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:09.880
working intelligence and you've stumbled upon something you're not allowed

1074
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.920
to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

1075
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:16.559
search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks

1076
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.719
that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

1077
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:23.599
on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government

1078
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:27.280
contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told

1079
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.960
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1080
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.519
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1081
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.280
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1082
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:41.559
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1083
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:46.000
that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA,

1084
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.079
or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1085
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.599
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1086
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:59.840
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1087
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:02.760
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1088
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:08.760
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

1089
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.920
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1090
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.840
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.

1091
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:18.360
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1092
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:21.519
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1093
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.400
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

1094
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1101
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.280
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1102
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.239
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1103
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1104
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.559
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1105
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1109
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1110
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:17.440
you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot

1111
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.920
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1112
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.199
and never stop asking what else might be out there?

1113
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:24.320
And see you in the woods.