Jan. 5, 2026

Terrified in British Columbia | Fraser River Valley

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Season 1

Rob is a physical therapist based out of the Fraser River Valley of British Columbia, Canada. In this episode of Bigfoot Society, we journey with Rob through experiences he has had, what happens when one goes down the rabbit holes. Rob has been become an encounter collector in this region and the account he shares in this episode are unlike any others you've heard before.

Contact Rob here: robharr@icloud.com

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You've got the.

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Privilege of talking to Rob today. Rob is a physical

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therapist from around the Harrison Hot Springs area and man,

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we've been trying to set up a chat for a

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while now and I'm excited to have Rob on. He

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is the first interview of twenty twenty six for being recorded.

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So there you go. But you know, Rob, welcome to

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the show. How are you doing today, sir?

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Very good? Yeah, Happy New Year to you and all

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your listeners. I didn't realize on the first one, so

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I guess I guess the pressure is on.

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Really no pressure at all. Also, do we want to

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point out that you are you said you're immigrant from

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England to Canada to this area.

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Correct, Yeah, that's right. People can probably tell by my accent.

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I am now a Canadian citizen. I'm a dual citizen,

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but I meet here with my family in twenty sixteen,

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in July twenty sixteen to an area in southern BC

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right near the Washington border. Well, actually it's Chilliwak It

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it's in the Fraser Fraser Valley and very close to

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the Chililat Lake Valley. So I've got mountains and forests

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and rivers right on the doorstep.

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You land in Chiliac area in the Fraser Valley. How

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quickly did you realize I'm in the middle of something

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interesting going on here with all this bigfoots stuff. When

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did that start kicking in for you?

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Well? I could look back now in hindsight and realize

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it happened really in October, but I didn't quite realize

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what was going on at the time, if that makes sense.

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So I guess that sort of leads me into what happened.

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I've always grown up in a rural area in the UK,

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and I've always loved the countryside and wildlife, and we've

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got it all here, you know, beautiful heights. And at

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the time our youngest was sick and we went. It

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was a Sunday in early October, so it just started raining.

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We found out, you know how true it is about

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the Pacific Northwest being a rainforest. But we went out

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for a hike, really just looking to go out two

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three hours just for a short hike, and we went

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up the Chilliwack Lake road and picked a trail. It

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was another lake, and we were under the assumption that

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it was just going to be maybe, you know, an

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hour or two hike. I'm now a far more experienced hiker.

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I pretty much go out every weekend hiking, and this

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hike to get to this lake is probably eight to

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ten hours or more one way, So we grossly misjudged it.

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But anyway, we went off, and yeah, you know, at

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the time, we had no bear spray, no knives, you know,

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I carry those things now as well as a backpack,

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you know, with a survival kit in and first aid kit.

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And off we went.

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And the trail is quite.

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You know, quite well marked and clear, and it's a

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typical trail here. You're going through thick forest, lots of

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cedar and Douglas firs and hemlock trees, and and we

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were going up and we've been going about maybe forty

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five minutes. And the one thing I must stress is

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there's like a makeshift parking lot, and we were the

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only car there the whole time, and even when we left,

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there was no other vehicles and there was nobody up

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there at all. We didn't see any sign of anybody

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camping or anything like this. But anyway, we went up

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and part of the way up there was a very

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large tree that had uprooted, you know, it had crashed down,

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big tree, you know, something like it, probably like a

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Douglas fir, and all the roots were exposed and they

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had bits of like soil and earth on them. And

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the nice thing about this trail is at the start

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of the trailhead people have left like makeshift their branches,

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but they sort of modeled them into sort of walking sticks,

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walking canes. So we all picked one of those just

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for fun. And when we were near this tree, the

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youngest than me just started chiseling away at the earth

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around the roots. You know, I was you know, we

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were saying how amazing it is to see the you know,

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the roots of the tree. And then my youngest started

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whacking the roots, you know, these are big roots, with

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his sick and you know, he did that for a bit.

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It was all good fun, and then we carried further

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on up and then I'd say, you know, it was

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a while later that you know, it dawned upon us

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that this lake was probably quite a lot further than

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what we realized. So my wife, she was doing some

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care work at the time while she was waiting for

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her nursing qualifications to be accepted, and she had to

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do a late shift, and she said, look, I want

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to get back and relax a bit before you know,

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my work. So we turned around and we went back

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down and we came back to the very same tree route,

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and my wife was ahead, my my youngest was in

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the middle, and I was at the back. And he

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started digging and then really whacking the tree route again,

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and then I joined in with him, you know, smacking

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the tree root with our with our sticks. Now realizing

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you know, your your tree knocking. But at the time,

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you know, we were just fitting a room and my

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wife had stopped at the same time. And you know,

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this was on like a like a decline, like a

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gradient the way the trail was going, and we stopped

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for a bit and my wife was saying, listen, you know,

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I want to get back. And as we were just

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talking that there was obviously big trees near us, like

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there is in the forest, and this rock just just

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came out, flying out the bush. You know, it wasn't

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a rock that tumbled, It didn't fall from high. It

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flew out from the bush and the way I can

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describe it, the trajectory, it was like in a straight line,

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so it wasn't a loose bit of rock. And it

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flew right out, hit this tree a few meters in

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front of us, and hit the ground. So you know,

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I caught it out of my periphery. You heard it,

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you know, hit the tree, and then you heard it

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like flat on the ground. And my wife must have

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seen it as well, and she spun right around to

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me and said, was that a rock? Wore a stone?

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And I was not knowing what was going on, and

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I said yeah. And then I'm a bit of a

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practical joker, you know, back in England, if we were

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walking in the woods or something, you know, i'd throw

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a stone in the bushes to you know, make a

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sown and make out it was an animal or something,

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just to try and scare people. So my wife thought

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it was me and she said did you do that?

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And I was going no, And she said, be honest

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with me, did you do that? And I said no?

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And she said, well who did that? And I said

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I don't know. And we were going back and forth

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like this and maybe a minute, and then a second

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one came out from the same area and hit the

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tree again, the same tree. Couldn't believe it hit the

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same tree. And I won't say the language that we use,

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but you know, my wife was like, we're going, you know,

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we've got to go, and I kind of went for

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a brief second or two said hang on, hang on,

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And I was looking up into the forest and I

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couldn't see anything. But then you could hear something kind

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of breaking branches. But by the sound of it, these

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weren't small like twigs or branches. This was heavy breaking.

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And then there was just this sense of we've got

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to go right now. You know, this complete I wouldn't

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call it dread, but just this. We've got to get

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out of there. So we were, you know, we were

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almost running back down this trail. I mean I was

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at the back, my wife was in the front, and

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the youngest was in the middle. And I was virtually

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pushing my youngest and I said to him, I don't care,

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You've got to keep I don't care how tired you want,

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You've got to keep moving. And as soon as we

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started to move, I could still hear, you know, the

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odd things breaking, and then the other thing I could

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hear The only way I can decide it is sometimes

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when I've been hiking on trails, if you're hiking with

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somebody or hiking yourself, if you jump down onto a trail,

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it almost sounds like the ground is hollow. It's a

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weird sound, and I could hear like thuds, and by

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the sense of it, it was something big. Anyway, we

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were walking down for the first minute or two, I

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kept looking behind and I was just convinced we were

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going to get jumped. You know. I was convinced, and

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I don't know by what or who, but I was

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just convinced, you know, we ain't going to make it

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to the car. And none of us were talking. I

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was just occasionally going to my youngest. I was pushing

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him in the back when he was slowing down, and

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I said, just keep going. I said, you've just got

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to do this. And then in time, I don't know,

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twenty minutes or so, we started to see the car.

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There was a bit of relief. We got down to

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the parking lot, got in the car, didn't quite burn

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rubber getting out of there, but got out of there quick,

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straight on the lake road, and we were going home.

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And I would say it was probably several minutes before

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one of us talked, and you know, my wife was like,

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what happened back there? And I don't know. And we

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got home and you know, it was it was a

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weird situation and it was a scary situation. And you know,

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as we were driving back, my wife said, I don't

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ever want to go up there again, and to this

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day she hasn't. And this is this is over nine

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years ago now, So that was the initial scene. I

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mean up till then, Jeremiah. You know, we're about twenty

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minutes from Harrison Hot Springs and if you google Harrison

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Hot Springs, that's where John Green lived and I had

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a newspaper. There's a Sasquatch museum. So we've been out

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to visit that and it's all touristy, you know, there's

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sasquatch models everywhere and statues and would figures. And I'll

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be honest with you, I just thought it's a bit

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of a tourist thing, you know. I didn't put it

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down to any more than that. You know, I just thought,

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you know, i'd heard about it. I mean, I don't

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care who you are. Most people have heard a big foot,

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but to varying levels. I've heard of it back in

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the UK, I think just for fun. Once years ago

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in the UK, i'd seen one of the episodes of

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Finding Bigfoot, but I didn't think any more of it.

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I just thought it was a myth and you know,

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a tourist attraction, so I knew about it from that,

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but I didn't link, you know, the subject with what

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happened that day in the forest. But the weird thing was,

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I didn't feel it was a person either. I didn't

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get the sense it was a person, because, to be

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honest with you, if I thought it was a person,

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somebody throwing two rocks, they weren't stones. They were probably

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up and I'm trying to think maybe like a softball

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sized rock throwing that at me and my family, particularly

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when I've got a kid. I would have gone up

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in the forest looking for them to sort them out, basically,

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But I just didn't get that sense that it was

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a person. But I couldn't figure out what had happened

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or what it was. So that's, you know, I can

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look back now and think that's when it sort of happened,

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but at the time I didn't put two and two together,

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So that like I say, that was around October twenty sixteen.

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So you know when you asked, like, when did you

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first become aware? I guess unofficially that's when things started.

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I can't imagine living through that. I mean, because you're well,

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you said, you're my thousand miles out there and no

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one was out there.

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Well, we we the car, the parking lot is right

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on the road, but we were about forty five minutes

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up the trail up the mountain in the forest and

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then and there was nobody there. And I can tell

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you now this area now there's no homeless living up there.

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Nobody lives up there. It's too far out for somebody

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to do that. There are homeless in that river valley,

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but they're they're further down, way further down the road,

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closer to the town. But up where we are or

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where we were. Sorry that there were no people. And

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I also think if it was a person, right, and

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they were doing it to scare us to get us

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out the area, why weren't they doing it when we

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were going up? This happened on the way down. Would

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have thought if you were somebody up there and you

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didn't want folks being near you, you would stop them

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from coming up, not watch them, wait for them to

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go down, and then you know, try and scare them.

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If that makes sense, No, it absolutely does. Thinking back

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to how you saw the rock, the rocks fly out

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of out of the bushes. As a physical therapist, could

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you tell anything about what was throwing the rocks by

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the way it was thrown.

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Well, it was a straight trajectory. It was horizontal, you know,

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it came straight out and it was thrown with forces.

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It would be like you or I picking up a

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stone and throwing a stone. I mean, you know, you've

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got to remember we've been in the country for a

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couple of months. I was getting to grips with you know,

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the wildlife, for fauna and stuff. And you know, I

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got on that day and I was thinking, right, you know,

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a bear, you know, a bear can't pick a rock

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up like that, and for a rock and you know,

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as a as a physical therapist, there's got to be

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something with with thumbs and fingers and opposing some to

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grasp a rock and throw it. And you know, if

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either being in Asia or South America, you'd probably think

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it was a monkey or something, you know, a primate.

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But but we weren't, and I didn't think that logic

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would tell you it was a person. But I still

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can't get my head around this. I never once felt

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it was a person, and I don't know why. And

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I'll be honest with you, it troubled me. It really

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troubled me for for a bit because there was no

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people up there. I'm convinced of that. I'm convinced of that.

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It was a weird feeling, but your rational brain is

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saying to you, oh, only a person confer a rock.

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But the flip side was I strongly felt that it

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wasn't a person. And I said to my wife, you know,

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do you think anybody was up there? And she said, well,

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we didn't see or hear anyone. You know, we didn't

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see any sign or anything like that. It's, you know,

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all these years down the line, I'm still baffled by it.

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I mean, there's a bit of me now that wishes

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the wishes I could have. Well, I say, held my

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ground and waited to see what happened. I had my

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boy with me, you know, he faced is my pority,

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as is my wife. If I was alone hiker now,

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I mean, depending on how I felt, I would have

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tried to pluck up the courage to just try and

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hang in there a little bit longer and see what

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it was. But you know, I must have been later

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on that evening, I became a bit angry about it,

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and you know, kind of it's not necessarily saying, right,

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I'm going to state back, but I just wish because

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I heard something moving, you know that that I heard.

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You know, I could hear these like thuds, and I

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could hear heavy breaking your branches. You know, you could

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tell they were loud snaps. And my wife heard that

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as well. I mean, it really affects I say, it

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really affected her. She will not go to that area

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at all. She just she just doesn't do it. And

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you know, the one thing I will say in my family,

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I'm the only one that believes in this subject. The

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rest of my family thinks, you know, just think it's

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all miss So they tease me a bit. But I

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always say to my wife, well what do you think

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it was that day? And all she ever said was,

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I don't know, I don't know what it was, but

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I just don't want to go back. So it was

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it was a strange situation. And I let you know,

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after a few days, you forget about it, and you know,

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off you go again and again. I can look back

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now and think I can reflect on things that happened

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shortly after and think, oh, there was something going on,

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and what happened. My wife had a care work. She

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was doing work for a client. He just needed some

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short term care, and it just so happened this client

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and her husband that they're retired, but they're very keen

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hikers and pretty hardcore hikers, and my wife's got to

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know them. And we bought the house in the early

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part of twenty seventeen, and my wife and I liked

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them around one evening just to come and meet me

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and my boys and see the house. And it turned

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out the husband's retired from the forestry service, so he

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had a job where he would go out and survey

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forest for potential logging, and he would have to do

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like these I guess, these surveys on it on whether

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it was sustainable, harmful to the forest and stuff. And

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he'd had a career out of it. And I remember, Jeremiah,

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we were sat down in our lounge and my wife

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and this guy's wife they went upstairs. My wife was

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showing her the house and I was tatting to this

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guy and we've got friends with him now. They really

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introduced us to a lot of hiking and we're very

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grateful to impour it. And anyway, he said, you know,

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I was remember he was sitting there and he said, oh,

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you know, have you been hiking? And I said, oh,

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I've done a little bit, but you know, I'm kind

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of new to it. And he was like, I'll take

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you out. Come with me. I'll show you some great hikes.

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And we got talking and I, you know, naturally started

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asking him about wildlife and bears and stuff like that.

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And he's chatting away. And this area we get a

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lot of black bears. We don't really get grizzlies. You know,

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I've heard they pass through, but you're very unlikely to

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see one. But you know, black bears I've seen multiple times.

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But I don't know why. I said to him, didn't

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ask you a question? And he was like sure, I said,

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if you're out in the forest here, I said, what,

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what could throw a rock at you? And I love

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back now and he told his whole expression change and

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he just looked withally confused. He went, what do you mean?

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So I told him what had happened. What I've just

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told you, And I remember he looked upstairs, and then

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he looked at me and he leant forward and he

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kind of went where was this? And I was telling him,

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and then he was like, we're abouts on that trail

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and I said, well, I don't know he'd be precise thing,

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but I was telling him and he was kind of

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like and he was really thinking about it. At the time,

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I was just looking at him, thinking, oh, he's giving

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this a good thought. I still maintained to this day

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he knows stuff and he just doesn't really tell me.

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He doesn't really tell me. But anyway, then he sat

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back and he went, oh, it was a crazy hermit.

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And I said, oh, I disagree, and he went, no, no,

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you get these weird forest hermits out there. You know,

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I will say to this day I've never really met one.

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But anyway, this is what he said. And we left

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it at that, and he said, hey, we'll go out

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for a hike in a couple of weeks. We'll show

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you a different area. And it gets happened. A couple

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of weeks later, his son, who's a pretty hardcore outdoorsman, hiker, skier, etc.

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He came to visit and we all met up on

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a different location up this river valley, and my wife

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and my youngest went and my wife and his wife

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walked ahead with my youngest, and I held back with

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the husband and their son, who was about I don't know, thirty,

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And the husband waited for the ladies and my lad

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to go further ahead. And then he I remember this, Jeremiah.

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He tapped me on the arm and he went up.

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He said, there, tell him about the rock throwing. And

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I was like, well, and he meant, you know, this

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is probably February, Jeremiah, you know, and very mind it

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happened in October, he said. And he said, she son,

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listen to this, and he said, you're tell him what happened.

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So I told him it and his son looked, you

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know again, looked all serious and and oh right, and

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he's looking at his dad and he's Dan's looking at him.

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And then the son goes, where is this? And I go, oh,

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just further down here, and you know, I'm I'm going

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because there's a road really and I called it the

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Canadian side and the US side, and I said, oh,

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the US side of the road, and the Sun went

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really and he went like, what did you see? And

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I didn't see anything, but I heard, you know, stuff

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moving about and breaking, and he went oh. And they

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both had this look. And I actually said to them

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at the time, what is it? I went, just tell

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me straight, what is it? And they're like, no, no, no, no, no,

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it's nothing, it's nothing. And I said, there's something up.

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I said, you're both looking a bit weird. You know,

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you'll you'll keep this thing, you both know, and no, no, no, no, no, no,

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it's good. And then they were like, come on here,

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come on and let's catch them up, you know, before

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we lose them. And they and they sort of left

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it at that. And if I look at it now,

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I think I think they knew something that they just

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maybe didn't want to tell me. Whether that's because I

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don't know, I would have blown it off or laughed

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at them, I don't know, or or for whatever reason,

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but I think they were aware of potentially what it

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could have been at that time. And if I look

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at it now, that was, like I guess, like a

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subtle introduction. And then about yeah, it was that time

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I just started working in private clinics as a physical therapist.

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And you know, one of the great things about the

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job of the work I do is I meet people

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from all walks of life, and you know, you get

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a nice report going with people and you ask them

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about their work and their pastimes and stuff. And lots

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of people in this area do hiking, and lots of

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people do hunting. So I started asking a few hunters

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and most of them were just like, well, I don't

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know what that was. You know, that was a bit weird.

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And then two or three of them said, oh, there's

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lots of crazy people out in the area. I think

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some people even told me, well, I remember them telling me, oh,

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you know there's illegal grows, and you must have stumbled

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across an a legal grow, and I was like, well,

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it's not very well hidden. If it was, I said,

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it's on a you know, it's on a hiking trail.

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So I felt, you know, I guess I kind of

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got over it, so to speak. Jeremiah and I was

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getting more regular with my hiking and I had a

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bit of kick going, you know, their spray nice I

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started to you know, properly equip myself. And then it

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was it was later on that year, so that's twenty seventeen,

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I treated a policewoman, a member of the RCMP, and

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it just happened. They were Indigenous, and you know, after

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three or four visits with somebody, you know, you get

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comfortable with them and you chat. And I was telling,

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you know, she was asking me, you know, if you've

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been out hiking and stuff, and I'm chatting away, and

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I just got talking about things and she said, like,

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have you seen anything cool? Like wildlife? And I was

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talking and then I don't know why, but I brought

459
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this thing up about the rocks or not the rock,

460
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:32.200
the rocks, and she said, what have you been told then?

461
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.160
And I said, oh, I said, well, most people tell

462
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.680
me it's like a hermit or a crazy person. And

463
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:39.759
then she said do you think that? And I said, oh,

464
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:41.599
I said it's weird. I said, I just didn't get

465
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.559
the feeling it was. I said, but I just don't

466
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:47.000
know what it was. And then and then I remember,

467
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:52.240
you know, she said, you understand I'm indigenous, you know,

468
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.039
I'm you know, do you understand our culture and our background?

469
00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:00.240
And I said, oh, we're only very basic. And she said,

470
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:03.440
shall I tell you what I truly believe it is?

471
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.799
And I said, well, yeah, sure, I'd appreciate it, and

472
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.599
she said, I believe it's a sasquash. And initially I

473
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:14.119
kind of chuckled a bit, and then you know, I

474
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.359
suddenly realized I was chatting to a policewoman and she

475
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.039
gave me quite a stern look and she said, why

476
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:22.799
are you laughing? And I said, oh, I'm sorry. I said,

477
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.519
is that just you know, is that not a tourist thing?

478
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:32.079
And she said no. And she then explained the significance

479
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:36.119
of it in her culture. And she was telling me

480
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:44.279
that in her I guess tradition that they considered them

481
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.920
an ancient kind of tribe of humans. And I was like,

482
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:50.839
are they not like a missing link at like a

483
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.119
primate and she said, no, no, they're not. She said,

484
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:59.160
they're you know, they're like a unique people. And she said,

485
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.160
you know, a very long time ago, we actually had

486
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.880
links with them. And you know, I was like, this

487
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.240
was a bombshell for media. Am. I I was like,

488
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.759
oh my god, this is you know, where's this come from?

489
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:18.480
And her thoughts were she said, I think it was

490
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.200
throwing the rock set you could get you out, because

491
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:28.119
she felt this thing had seen something of danger maybe

492
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.880
like a bear or a googar, and it was ushering

493
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.839
you out of the area, which I thought was quite

494
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.799
an interesting way of looking at it. And then after that,

495
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:40.880
you know, I got on that day and I kind

496
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.519
of said it to my wife. You just said like, oh,

497
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.880
here we go, you know, just laughed and went, Now,

498
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.480
that's sort of nonsense. But I'm sure you know yourself

499
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.160
and from people you've spoken to. I went down a

500
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:58.000
massive rabbit hole that day. I got on Google and

501
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:00.400
then that was it. I was just all in, you know,

502
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:05.119
I was on all, you know, looking at everything online.

503
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:10.359
I started to listen to podcasts, I bought books, and

504
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.759
then for weeks afterwards, every time I went out, every

505
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.799
little snap or sound in the forest was a Sasqus.

506
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:19.559
You know, I can honestly say now. I became obsessed

507
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:26.720
with it. And it was a while later that I

508
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.920
was still treating her. She came back for a different

509
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:32.160
injury and I was looking to buy a car. I

510
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.640
was looking to buy a four wheel grind and she said, well,

511
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.759
if you do see one you like, get in touch

512
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.359
with my husband. I'll give you his cell phone. He's

513
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.720
also asked the MP he knows a lot he's a hunter,

514
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.720
he's indigenous as well. He'll come out and make sure

515
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:51.240
you get the right vehicle. I said, oh, that's great.

516
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.720
So I ended up buying a really old four runner

517
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.960
Toyota four Runner. I still have it. The husband, Harrison,

518
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:05.000
came out with me and when I bought it, he said,

519
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.400
come and pick me up. And he said, I'll show

520
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:11.720
you some kind of forest service roads, logging roads you

521
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.839
could drive up the River valley. And we went out

522
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.720
for several hours in an afternoon, you know, driving about,

523
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.480
getting out, looking around, and inevitably we got on this subject.

524
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.359
And you know, he was listening to me and he

525
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.519
was like, oh, yeah, you know, and he said, he said, yeah,

526
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.839
I agree with my wife. He said, I think you

527
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.480
came across one. And then he's got a phone out

528
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:38.359
of Jeremiah. He's got his cell phone and you have

529
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.680
a look at this, and it was a video of

530
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.240
him that his wife took from her car and they

531
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:50.119
were out in that River valley scouting for the potential game,

532
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:56.079
you know, their hunters. And on this video you can

533
00:32:56.160 --> 00:33:01.440
hear this crazy vocalization and you can see the husband

534
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.480
looking up into the forest and you can hear his

535
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:07.839
wife he's recording him on the phone, going you know,

536
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.759
what the heck is that? And he's like, I don't know,

537
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:16.640
and it goes on for about thirty seconds. Looking back

538
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:23.319
bizarre it sounded almost bits like hyaenas and I'm familiar

539
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.599
with coyotes and I said to him, is that coyotes?

540
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:27.640
And he went no, no, no, he said they weren't.

541
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.400
That wasn't a coyote. He said, trust me, He said,

542
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.200
I know my animals. And I said, what what was that?

543
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.160
And he said, it's one of these, you know, one

544
00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:41.599
of these beings. And then he said to me, he

545
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.599
said before his wife recorded it, he said, there was

546
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.720
other vocalizations and what were they like? And I remember it.

547
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.039
He always said to me it sounded like a pissed

548
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.119
off gorilla. And I you know, I said to him,

549
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.160
I said, so these things really are you know, really

550
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.599
are real? And he went, oh yeah, but he said

551
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.720
you better believe it. And he told me, I don't know.

552
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.000
It wasn't in this area. But he told me a

553
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:08.960
couple of things. He told me once when he was young,

554
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.960
he went hunting, or he was camping in the winter

555
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.440
off kind of hunting with his family. He was a

556
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.199
young kid, and when they got out in the morning,

557
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:21.480
he said there was massive footprints as well as small footprints,

558
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.519
much smaller footprints. But he said they looked like human footprints.

559
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:28.599
And I said, well, what was that and he said, oh,

560
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.840
it was clearly an adult with a young And he said,

561
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:35.760
I remember my dad and my uncle saying to me,

562
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.639
whatever you do, don't follow these footprints. So he was

563
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.199
telling me this, and then he also told me a

564
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:47.960
few years earlier, not before that, when he was a kid,

565
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.599
but a few years ago he was telling me. He was,

566
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.360
what do they call it when they do like spotting

567
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:56.679
for hunting, you know, with a scope and he was

568
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.960
looking up a mountainside with snow and he said, he's

569
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.440
or an upright being just booking it up this mountain.

570
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.239
And he said, Rod, there was no way a human

571
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.639
could do what this thing was doing. And he said

572
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.480
it was too big. And he said he watched it

573
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.440
through a scope on another mountain side, you know, for

574
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.400
about five minutes. So I was, you know, like I say,

575
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.679
that's when I started to think. And then you know,

576
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.280
you look into it and then you come across like

577
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.679
Harrison Hot Springs, Sasquatched Provincial Park, and you know, you think,

578
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:31.800
you know, I'm in an.

579
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:37.000
Area where there's quite a rich history of this. So

580
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:43.280
that was when, you know, I started to get an

581
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.239
interest in this and kind of relate back to the

582
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.079
rock and think that there could be a potential that

583
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.480
this thing was doing it. So I guess it was

584
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:56.960
twenty seventeen. Might going right back to that question of

585
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.000
yours where the penny dropped for me, so to speak.

586
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:07.440
My goodness, what a place to start, going down a

587
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.400
rabbit hole into Sasquatch, I mean, is.

588
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.079
The perfect And I went, I went head first down.

589
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.199
I I'll be honest with you, I went. It was

590
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:23.280
a bit unhealthy, you know, I just you know. And

591
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.599
then I was also really naive and thought, I'm going

592
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:29.760
to see one of these things in no time at all.

593
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.119
And I would go off exploring for one of the

594
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.760
better word, I would go off the beaten path. I

595
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:39.320
would go off on older bandoned logging roads just to

596
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.960
see where things were. Just I know, it sounds mad,

597
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.960
and I realize now it was a bit silly, just

598
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.519
in the hope of finding a track or or hearing

599
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:56.679
something or potentially seeing something, you know, But I was

600
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.360
I'm one of these people. If I get interested in something,

601
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.880
you know, I'll just read anything on it. And that's

602
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:10.800
exactly what I did. And I went through this phase where,

603
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:14.840
like I say, I was all in on it, and

604
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:18.199
then I've gone through a couple of phases where I

605
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.280
kind of go off topic or go off the subject

606
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.039
because I kind of think, no, no, it's nonsense. And

607
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:29.960
we were out in Harrison Hot Springs. This is maybe

608
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.519
a year or so later. We were out in Harrison

609
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.519
Hotsprings and we went to this museum, this Sasquats Museum,

610
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:38.480
and you know, it's not the biggest museum, but it

611
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.599
was interesting. And you know, they've got like reports in

612
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:45.639
there and cast of footprints and to be honest, you know,

613
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.360
to actually see a cast of a footprint. They've got

614
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.960
some I believe they might be original replica cast from

615
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.519
the Patterson Gimling site. But you know, you look at

616
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.719
these cast and you think, bloody hell, you know this

617
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.960
is massive. You know, you really get an appreciation how

618
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.320
big these tracks are. Anyway, I was in chatting to

619
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:11.880
the curator, so to speak, and I said, oh, I said,

620
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.679
you know, we were hiking, and my wife just rolled

621
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.199
her eyes and she had walked off, and I I'm

622
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:21.960
going to tell her, And I told her I'd tell

623
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.599
him this lady what happened. And then she was like, oh,

624
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:26.639
you know, you need to speak to this guy and

625
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:31.239
it just happens. I'm probably not going to tell you

626
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:32.920
who it was, but if I did, you know that

627
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.719
it was straight away. This guy has written books on

628
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.360
the subject, and I'd actually bought some of some of

629
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.280
these books, and he'd helped set up the museum and

630
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.559
provide the cast and different stuff and photos and things.

631
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.239
And he was from around you know, he actually knew

632
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:56.719
like John Green, Reneida Hindon, Peter Burn and Grover Krantz

633
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:00.880
all that lot. Anyway, she said he lives fairly locally.

634
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:02.719
She said you need to get in touch with him

635
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:07.920
and tell him what happened because he records and files

636
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.840
all these reports. So I was like, oh great, you know,

637
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:16.960
so I got his details and like we're doing now.

638
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:24.079
He called me and I started telling him what had happened,

639
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:29.480
and he, for one of a better word, he just

640
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:32.360
rubbished it. He went, oh no, he said, it's all

641
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.000
it's all bs. You know, they don't throw rocks. Nobody's

642
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:39.440
ever seen one throwing a rock. I was like, really,

643
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.280
I said, I've read books on it and I've read reports.

644
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.440
He went, no, no, no, he went, they don't throw rocks.

645
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.480
He went, there's been no sighting of one throwing the rock.

646
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.800
He went, there's no evidence for it. So I was like, oh, okay,

647
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:56.280
and he said, yeah, yeah, you just you came across

648
00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:59.280
a hermit and again I said, no, I don't think

649
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.400
I did. He said, no, you did. I said no.

650
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.599
I said, he had to be there at the time

651
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.760
to realize it wasn't a person. I said, if you'd

652
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.840
have been with us, you know it wasn't a person.

653
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.079
So we were starting to get I guess a little

654
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:17.679
bit heated over it, right, And anyway, I just thought, well,

655
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.119
here's here's a so called expert. So I started firing

656
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:25.679
off questions. I said, you know, what about wood knocking,

657
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.159
and he was like, yeah, people say they do, but

658
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:33.440
again there's no there's there's not one report of one

659
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:37.559
being thing making a wood knock or clacking rocks together.

660
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:41.199
Then I started asking other questions about other things, and

661
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:45.440
he just seemed to dismiss everything. I'm listening to him,

662
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.840
and to be honest, Sarah and I I was just

663
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:51.000
like this guy's been writing books on this. You know,

664
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:54.280
you can find this guy on YouTube. This guy goes

665
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:59.679
on these YouTube documentaries. You know, he's featured on some podcasts.

666
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:04.840
He famous for this. And I thought, it's just dismissing

667
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:09.920
so many things. So I said to him, do you

668
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:15.679
actually believe in it? And she kind of went, well, yeah, yeah,

669
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.719
and I went, so you do and he went yeah.

670
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:19.079
I went what do you think it is? And he

671
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:23.719
went oh, he said, I think it's an discovered North

672
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.280
American primate And I said, well, what about some of

673
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.880
the indigenous things about it being, you know, an ancient

674
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.119
human tribe. No, no, no, no, he said that. No,

675
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.079
it's not that at all. He went, it's an undisturbed primate.

676
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:41.960
And then I said, and this is still my view now,

677
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.320
and it's only my view. I appreciate that. I said

678
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.199
to him, do you not think we would have called

679
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.719
it by now? And he went no, no, it's highly intelligent.

680
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.159
And I said, so you're telling me there's an ape

681
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.360
out there more intelligent than a human. And he was like, well,

682
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.239
this is highly intelligent and I said, well, it can't

683
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.000
be that in my mind, because we would have got

684
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:07.000
one stuff in a museum or certainly catalogs by now.

685
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.480
But anyway, we we you know, we we finished the

686
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:16.679
phone call and I just was very negative about everything.

687
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:18.519
I just was like, you know what, this is all

688
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:22.199
complete nonsense. It's full of people who are out making

689
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.239
themselves to be experts and have got no true interest,

690
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:29.239
and I just taking your money. And I went off

691
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.840
the subject. You know, could be honest and put the

692
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.519
books away, stop watching anything from YouTube, stop listening to

693
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.679
some podcasts. I was just like, I've just been completely

694
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:45.920
had still baffled by what happened with the Rocks, but

695
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.400
just thought it's all you know, it's all here say

696
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:54.840
and kind of left it to that. And I guess

697
00:42:54.840 --> 00:43:00.840
I went really cold on the subject. And that period

698
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:06.440
was of leading up into two thousand and you know,

699
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.000
there was that big world event in two thousand where

700
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:14.280
things got locked down, shut down. My clinic was closed

701
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:18.440
for two months, you know, only select businesses were open.

702
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.639
So I just started doing a kind of hiking every day.

703
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.960
I was very lucky, you know, I was going out

704
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.480
several times a week. My wife was still working as

705
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.800
a nurse, the boys were home from school, you know,

706
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.039
the schools were closed. So I said to my wife,

707
00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:35.719
I'm going to go hiking. She said sure, and it

708
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.800
was great because you didn't see anyone, you had no contact.

709
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:46.440
And it was during this time that I found what

710
00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:50.840
I thought might be a large track. This was the

711
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.239
photo that I sent you a couple of days ago.

712
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:56.519
I don't know if you got to saw it to

713
00:43:56.559 --> 00:44:04.599
see it at all. Yeah, yeah, so I yeah again. Look,

714
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:06.840
it's just my opinion. I thought it looked like a

715
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.920
large human footprint. I took a photo of it. I

716
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.159
put my foot next to it. I tried to make

717
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.840
an impression in the ground. Didn't leave a mark at all.

718
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.639
You know, I weigh about two hundred and thirty pounds

719
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.679
at six foot, you know, I'm a pretty lean two thirty.

720
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.239
I go to the gym a lot and always have,

721
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.280
and I was pushing my foot in and couldn't leave

722
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:35.880
an indentation. I got home, I sad it to my

723
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:37.639
wife and I said, what do you think? She said,

724
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.280
that looks like a massive footprint, and then she laughed,

725
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.079
and then she went, oh, there you go. You know

726
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:49.079
you've got your big foot at last. And I don't know.

727
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:54.159
I kept it. I sent it to a couple of people.

728
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.599
One of them was like, yeah, yeah, that really looks

729
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:00.639
like one. One of them was like, no, no, I don't

730
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:05.400
think it is. So you know, I had the mixed

731
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.840
views on that, but just kept the photo anyway, you know,

732
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.079
just because I thought it was quite interesting. During this

733
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:18.679
period as well, id some I guess you'd call it

734
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.519
whooping from a value. One day when I was out hiking,

735
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:27.679
you know, whoops. As far as I know, there's not

736
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:32.960
anything recognized around here wildlifewise that will whoop like this

737
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.320
thing did. So for about a minute I heard this loud,

738
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:42.920
distant whooping in the mountain range. And then you know,

739
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.800
that kind of piqued my interest again. I guess I

740
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.719
started to, you know, think, hang on a second, you know. So,

741
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.119
but I was still, I guess, fifty to fifty sitting

742
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.880
on the fence. What wasn't necessarily one way or the other.

743
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:06.239
But you know, again, I was out almost every day

744
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:11.360
doing a hike for several hours a day. And then

745
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:19.400
during during that period, I was right up on an old,

746
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.679
very old trail going up a forest, up through a mountain,

747
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:28.320
and I don't know, I think i'll send you the

748
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:33.440
video of it. I videoed and took photos of to me,

749
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:40.800
but like quite a distinct tree formation, and I think

750
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:43.039
I showed you. I think I sent you the video again.

751
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:44.719
I don't know if you've been able to see it,

752
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:51.599
but I you know, i'd read about stuff and I thought, oh,

753
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:56.079
I wonder if it's anything to do. I then sent

754
00:46:56.239 --> 00:47:02.039
it to quite a recognized in the field of this subject.

755
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:05.119
They got They kindly got back to me very promptly

756
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.800
and just said, oh, no, that's one hundred percent snowfall.

757
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.519
I've seen these all the time. That's snowfall. And you

758
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:17.000
know they've been looking into this subject way longer than

759
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:24.079
I have. So I was like, okay, that's why I

760
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:28.599
appreciate it, and just thought, yeah, I'm just I'm being

761
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.519
a bit irrational now I'm putting everything down to one

762
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:37.760
of these creatures. So you know, again, I wouldn't say

763
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:40.119
it quite went off the subject, but just calmed down

764
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.920
a little bit. So up until that point I was

765
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.920
I was, I guess gepping in and out of the subject,

766
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:53.039
just just based on my experience and feedback. But in

767
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:58.920
this area where this this same rough area, where this

768
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.039
tree structure and the footprint, I might add, well, what

769
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.719
I thought was a footprint I might add, was found

770
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:11.440
during this time. Train one of the local outdoor groups

771
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.559
here was asking for volunteers to go and help the

772
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:17.400
trail maintenance, where you just go up and you know,

773
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:21.880
cut down branches and tidy up the trail. And I

774
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:23.719
went along with it. And I went with this group

775
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.280
of people, probably about ten of us, and you know,

776
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.360
I was given a pair of loppers, and there was

777
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:33.760
this plan for the day and they and they put

778
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:39.239
us all at different stages along this trail, and the

779
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:42.280
whole time you were there, you just didn't see anybody.

780
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.119
You know, they agreed to meet at certain times. I

781
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:51.159
was bending overlooking and in the forest I heard this.

782
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:56.760
I can't limit it at all, this weird whistling. So

783
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:01.159
I heard it. I sort of still that, looked around,

784
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.360
looked into the forest where it came from, didn't hear anything.

785
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.639
Turned around again, bent over, started cutting stuff again. It

786
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.480
was all the game. And I did the same thing.

787
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.400
I got up, I looked around again, and nothing again.

788
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:25.360
And this happened three or four times. And the last

789
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:27.280
time it happened, I turned around and looked into the

790
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:30.199
forest for quite a while, probably for two or three minutes,

791
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.559
because I thought, you know, I knew somebody playing games

792
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.320
with me, And it was about half an hour later

793
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:41.360
everybody met up and I saw the person who was

794
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.719
way up the trail ahead of me coming back down

795
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:48.920
round like a switched back, and I said, how far

796
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.280
up were you? And then she said, oh, I was

797
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.719
way up there. And I said was there anyone between

798
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:59.239
you and me? And she said no? And I said

799
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.280
to will you we at me? And she went no, no, no, no,

800
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:04.360
she said I've been up there. I said were you?

801
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:06.960
I said, were you like playing tricks from me? And

802
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.719
she said no, no, I wasn't. So I didn't say

803
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.679
any more than that. But it wasn't a bird whistle,

804
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.880
you know. It wasn't anything like that. And it was

805
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:22.800
every time I turned the back, something or somebody was

806
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.639
whistling at me. So again I can't I'm not even

807
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.079
going to try and attempt to whistle like it was.

808
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:35.719
But it didn't sound like a bird to me. And this,

809
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.599
you know again, I just spoke to this lady about it,

810
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:41.599
and she said, well are you asking? And I said, oh,

811
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:44.599
somebody was whistling at me and she just went, oh, okay,

812
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.599
that's weird. And I didn't think any more of it,

813
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.960
so I sort of, you know, left it at that. Again,

814
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.840
I kept hiking, you know, I kept hiking the whole time,

815
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.719
but I kind of went out with the mindset of

816
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:02.960
go out and enjoy the high forget about this thing,

817
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:07.039
just you know, appreciate the grey outdoors and listen to

818
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.719
the sounds of nature. So I, I'll be honest with you, Jeremiah,

819
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.039
I went a little bit unhealthy with it at times.

820
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:14.679
I just I just got to became a little bit

821
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.400
too obsessed with it, which wasn't a good thing. And

822
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:20.840
you know, depending on who I spoke to, I'll glow

823
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:25.559
hot and cold, you know, sort of regarding it. But

824
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:29.000
then what I started to do is a physical therapist,

825
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.840
I started to you know, when I'm chatting to a patient,

826
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.199
I asked them what they do, you know, in the

827
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:40.119
spare time. And if they were like, oh, I'm a

828
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:43.039
high court hunter, I'll go, oh, right, you know where

829
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.519
you go. And then I I try and get a

830
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.000
grasp on how receptive they are. And I always go like,

831
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.159
have you see you know a lot of wildlife? And

832
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:56.360
if they say no, I leave it at that. But

833
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.239
if they say, oh, yeah, I've seen stuff, and then

834
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.840
I'll say like, you know, you see any other stuff,

835
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:04.719
and I'll say I'll even say, like, yeah, anything weird happened.

836
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:11.360
And that's when I've started to get really accounts from

837
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:17.159
people that told me stuff. And usually when they told me,

838
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:21.400
I've then told him about the original incident back in

839
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.519
twenty sixteen with the rocks, and then we get talking

840
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:27.800
about the subject. But I remember one of them was

841
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.119
a guy and he said he was driving over one

842
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:36.920
of the bridges up this river valley and he's Adam,

843
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.119
and he saw one of these things in the river

844
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:48.719
really bathing and washing, you know, sort of stooped over wedding. It's,

845
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.280
you know, I say, rubbing itself, almost like if you're

846
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.199
in a shower and you're scratching your back, washing your back.

847
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.000
And he said to me, one hundred percent it's one

848
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:03.360
of these things. He said it wasn't a person. And

849
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.440
I said to him to believe in him, and he said, well,

850
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.880
I'm ninety nine percent convinced I've seen one, so he said,

851
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:12.960
I do. So he was an interesting one. And I

852
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:20.440
had a patient who is Indigenous. He lives on one

853
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.519
of the reserves up near one of the lakes here,

854
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:30.639
and he recalls as a kid, one of these things

855
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.199
on a regular basis, looking in through the bedroom window

856
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:39.400
at him and his siblings when he was younger. And

857
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:44.440
again he also said, as an adult, he's seen one

858
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.599
in the river in the summer. And he, you know,

859
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:54.519
when I asked him, he's similar to the the you know,

860
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:58.719
the policewoman going back years before. He said, you know,

861
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:03.079
we believe they're like an ancient side, but he thinks

862
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:08.519
that they have special abilities, you know, they they're almost

863
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:16.320
sort of supernatural beings. So he went down quite a

864
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:19.159
spiritual route on it, I guess, and I'm you know,

865
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.639
I'm you know. I wasn't disagreed with him. A tool,

866
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:24.800
you know, I said, yeah, you know, I get it,

867
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.719
but the best one I had, And this one I

868
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.760
didn't even ask about the subject or try any prompts.

869
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:40.159
This this guy, he moved here from Northern Ireland. And

870
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.400
I don't know if you've ever heard of somebody from

871
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.280
Northern Ireland. It's not like the Irish accent that you

872
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:50.000
would think of. It's a very separate accent to a

873
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.320
Republic of Irish accent. It's a very thick, kind of

874
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:58.840
like almost gruff accent, and he was telling me he

875
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:02.000
was about set two years old. He was incredibly fit,

876
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:06.239
and he said, I've always hunted and I said, oh,

877
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.880
like deer and he said no, bear and I said bear.

878
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.199
He said, yeah, I love I love bear. He said,

879
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:16.480
you know there meet their sausages, what have you? And

880
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:19.480
he said, you know, Rob, he said, I'm not one

881
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.079
of these hunters that sit in a deer stand. He said,

882
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:27.239
you know, I go on foot and I'm tracking these things.

883
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.519
But anyway, you know, I started asking him about wildlife

884
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.599
and things, and he's telling him about the hunting, and

885
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.239
I was treating him and I was doing a technique

886
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.679
and then right out the blue, he just looked at

887
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:39.480
me with a big smile on his face and he went,

888
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:43.599
I've seen a sasquatch, you know. And momentarily I thought

889
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.119
he's he been talking to does he know my wife

890
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.639
or something? So I almost looked at him and went

891
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:53.960
all right, and then I went and he went yeah,

892
00:55:54.639 --> 00:55:57.639
and he went you probably don't believe me, and I said, well,

893
00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.880
I didn't say that. I said, tell me what happened

894
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:04.440
and he said he moved to Canada when he was

895
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:08.440
eighteen or nineteen years old, and he bought a motorbike,

896
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:13.079
and he had he'd had a motorbike in Northern Ireland,

897
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.360
and you know the roads there are tarmac roads. They're

898
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.199
not like logging roads, you know forest service roads that

899
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.480
you have here. So he said, I got this motorbike

900
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.440
and he said, rob, I rode it everywhere I went

901
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.519
up the mountains, he said. I was always in the

902
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:30.559
mechanic shop having repaired. He said, I just went over

903
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:35.079
the roughest roads. But this is the story that always

904
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:38.360
stands out. He said it was in the summer. He

905
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.559
was coming up, I guess up a forest service road,

906
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.880
a logging road, and he said, I saw a staff

907
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.519
watched sunbathing. And I was like, what do you mean sunbathing?

908
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:55.960
And he said sunbathing. So he described this thing sitting

909
00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:00.480
on a rocky ledge on its side. If you can

910
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:05.079
visualize this one he propped up, resting on one elbow

911
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.480
and I was like, oh yeah, I could see what

912
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:12.559
you say, sundaying. And I said what happened and he said, well,

913
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.000
I was driving up and he said I just saw

914
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:21.000
this giant naked hairy man and I went what And

915
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:25.840
he went, I saw this giant naked hairy man and

916
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:31.280
he said. He said, I waved down, and he said

917
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:33.679
I carried on riding and I waved at him and

918
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.719
I said, so you thought it was a giant naked

919
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:37.920
hairy man and he went, yeah, that's what it looked like.

920
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.039
And I went, he did you not think it was

921
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:43.320
a bit weird? And he went, I don't know, Rob.

922
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:47.599
He said, I just arrived it. He rode after waving

923
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:49.639
at it, and then he said, then this thing got

924
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.599
up and he said I hit the brakes immediately because

925
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.760
he said it was enormous, like he just got it

926
00:57:55.880 --> 00:58:00.079
as a giant. And he said it got up and

927
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:02.880
he said, Rob, i'll tell you now, knowing what I

928
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:05.920
know about hunting, you went, it got up the side

929
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:11.320
of this mountain so quick and so swiftly. There's no

930
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.239
way a person could have done it. And he said

931
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:15.840
it went up the mountain and it was gone. And

932
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:17.360
I said what do you do? And he said, I

933
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.599
turned around and went back because he said it scared me.

934
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:26.400
And I said, so, was it like a primate and

935
00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:28.280
he went no, no, he said it's not a primate.

936
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:32.199
He said it's a giant naked hairy man. And that's

937
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:34.880
all he kept describing it. As, and I said, so

938
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:36.840
you sent there giants. He said, yeah, it's like a

939
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.440
giant man rob and he said it definitely was a man.

940
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.320
He said, you know, because I remember he made a

941
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:43.760
joke he said this. He said, this man would be

942
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.960
popular with the lady's rob, if you know what I mean.

943
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:50.719
And I went, oh, okay, but he said, all these

944
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:54.480
people will tell you it's like a primate or something

945
00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:56.920
along those lines. He said, not what I saw, but

946
00:58:57.039 --> 00:58:59.960
he said massive like he was saying. It was about

947
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:04.679
a foot broad as anything, very muscular, and he said

948
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:07.760
for speed. It went up the mountain. And it was

949
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.440
interesting because he said, I just went away and thought, oh,

950
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.760
I saw a massive, naked, hairy man. And again I said,

951
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:18.239
did you know, I think that was a bit strange

952
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.519
and he went, well, I don't know. And then he

953
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:25.320
started dating a Canadian and he was telling me he

954
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:27.440
was somewhere with it and they were looking through a

955
00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:32.199
book and there was like a drawing or something like

956
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:35.599
that of a sasquatch and then he went, oh, what's

957
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.159
this and his girlfriend at the time said, oh, we

958
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:43.519
call it's a sasquatch. And then he was like, oh,

959
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.519
I've seen that, and then he said. She was saying,

960
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:49.079
what do you mean you've seen it? And he said, oh,

961
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.400
I saw it, you know. Then he told what happened

962
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.400
and she went, no, no, these things aren't really and

963
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:56.440
he went, yeah, they I've seen one, but he always

964
00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:01.119
called it. It's weird. He calls a sas watch, but

965
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:06.760
he talks about a giant man. It was because when

966
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.239
he came back on a subsequent visit, I asked him

967
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:14.039
more and he would use the term sasquatch, but he

968
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:18.039
was adamant, adamant it was a giant hairy man, not

969
01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:20.800
not fur but hair. And then he said to me,

970
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:23.760
I said, have you ever seen one again? Since? He

971
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:25.679
went no, But he said I've smelt them. And I

972
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:27.679
said you smelt them and he said yeah. He said

973
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.800
rob he said, I've smelt bear, and I've smelt a

974
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:34.519
bear and it's got quietive think smell. He went, these thing.

975
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:37.679
He said, it stinks to high heaven. He said it's

976
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.440
worse than a skunk. And he said, I've been hunting

977
01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:43.559
before and he said, I know, I've been very close

978
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:48.159
to them. But he was such an interesting one, Jeremiah,

979
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:52.480
because if you speak to him, it was so weird

980
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:55.519
because he's described in a sas watch that's what he saw.

981
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.360
But he's talking about it as if it was a

982
01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:02.519
giant human and that's what it is in his mind.

983
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:04.400
And I said to him, so you're saying it's like

984
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.960
a person, and he went, oh, yeah, absolutely, but he

985
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.000
said it's the biggest person you've ever set eyes on.

986
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:19.119
That was one in particular that stands out to me

987
01:01:19.280 --> 01:01:22.199
because he just said it so completely out of the blue,

988
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:25.239
and it was fascinating talking to him about it. And

989
01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.440
he waved at this thing as well, because he just

990
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.320
thought it was a person, a big person. But he

991
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.159
said when it stood up, he said, then he realized,

992
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:38.119
you know, not to go any further. But this thing

993
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:41.280
took off anyway. And that I think was in the

994
01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:44.440
Mission area, the mountains around Mission, because because I was

995
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:46.400
working in a different town, I was working in a

996
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:49.639
town called Abbastad at the time, and he was telling

997
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.559
me it was out that way and he still to

998
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:54.000
this day. I mean it was a few years ago

999
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:55.840
I saw him, but up until that point he was

1000
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.440
still going out hunting and you know, up through the

1001
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:04.840
mountains things. But he he said that it's not a primate.

1002
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.840
He said, there's nothing primate about it or or ape

1003
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.519
like about it. He said, it's it's it's a giant person.

1004
01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:20.760
And you know, it's just for me. It's fascinating when

1005
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:23.400
when you know somebody and you know them as being

1006
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:26.079
very genuine and nothing up to that point has made

1007
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:29.480
you think that they fabricate or lie about anything, and

1008
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:31.480
then they come out and tell you something like that.

1009
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:39.159
It's incredible. So that that was, you know, a really

1010
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:43.880
you know, interesting one for it. And then this year,

1011
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:48.199
funnily enough, Harrison Hot Springs has a you know, it's

1012
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:51.400
got bed and breakfast, some small hotels, and it's got

1013
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:55.239
a large hotel, Harrison Hot Springs Hotel. And one of

1014
01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:58.840
my patients was at a conference there and she decided,

1015
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:03.599
because her company paid for it, to stay all week

1016
01:03:03.679 --> 01:03:07.559
at the hotel rather than commute back to her home.

1017
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.280
So anyway, I was asking her about what the hotel

1018
01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:14.800
was like, and this hotel is right by Harrison Lake,

1019
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:20.119
and she went really annoying at night and I said

1020
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:21.679
it was in the summer. I said, why is that?

1021
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.320
And she's quite an overweight lady, and she said, you know,

1022
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:29.840
when you're like me, rob, you sweat all the time.

1023
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.679
So she said, I sleep with the windows open. And

1024
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.719
she said, I had like the windows open to a

1025
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:39.440
very small balcony, and these balconies look over the lake

1026
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:42.840
and she went every night she went about two am.

1027
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:46.639
Around that time, she went, there's this weird howling. And

1028
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:48.280
I was like, well, do you in howling? She went,

1029
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:51.000
it would start over one side of the lake, in

1030
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:53.840
the mountains, and these mountains on this side of the lake,

1031
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:57.679
on the east side, that's where that's watched Provincial Park is.

1032
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:02.400
And you're not from Ruby Creek. I don't know if

1033
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:08.480
you're familiar with the Ruby Creek story, but yeah, it's

1034
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.679
out that way. So she said it would start on

1035
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:16.239
that side of the mountains. And then she said, a

1036
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.800
minute or two later, you hear it from the other

1037
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:22.679
side of the mountain. And she said these calls would

1038
01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:27.039
go back and forth for I can't remember how long.

1039
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:29.199
She said, for quite a period of time. So she said,

1040
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:31.480
I'd lie there in bed hearing it from one side

1041
01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:35.239
and over on the other. And I said, what do

1042
01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:37.760
you think. She said, they were like screams, and they

1043
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:42.599
were like owls. And I said like a wolf and

1044
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:45.719
she said, no, not a wolf. And I will say

1045
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:50.480
as far as I know, wolves are not very common

1046
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:53.000
in this area at all. I've never met anyone who've

1047
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:57.000
seen one. Coyotes, yeah, but not wolf. But she said

1048
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.800
it wasn't like a wolf. And well I can say

1049
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:04.000
about this particular lady is as a patient, I wasn't

1050
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:06.440
going to press her and go, do you think it

1051
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.519
was a sasquash because she probably would be the sort

1052
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:11.159
of the patient that wouldn't come back to see me

1053
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.920
because she think I was a crap pot. But in

1054
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:18.000
my mind, I was just chucked in a way because

1055
01:05:18.039 --> 01:05:21.880
I thought, oh, you know, it's pretty interesting what she heard.

1056
01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:23.920
And I said to her, well, it must have been

1057
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:25.639
big if you can hear it from one side and

1058
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:27.960
then you can hear it you know something else was

1059
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:30.559
calling from the other. And she was like yeah, I remember,

1060
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.480
she said, really irritated because she said it happened every

1061
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.920
night and it started to annoy me after after a while.

1062
01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:40.119
But you know, in my mind, I'm sort of thinking,

1063
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:45.320
you know, how fortunate it was, and you know, just

1064
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.320
a shame she couldn't try and somehow record it. But

1065
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:52.400
again she would only have her her sort of cell phone.

1066
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.320
But that's in you know, that's in the Harrison Hot

1067
01:05:55.360 --> 01:06:02.400
Springs area and going back. Really, he the chap that

1068
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:08.239
I mentioned, Jeremiah, that was a retired forestry service worker.

1069
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:13.599
I last hike with him last year. They now they

1070
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:16.559
now go abroad a lot for vacations and things and

1071
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:19.079
what have you. And the last time I went hiking

1072
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:21.519
with him, he used to tease me a lot about sasquatch.

1073
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:24.400
He used to go, you know, just always joke about it.

1074
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.719
And I asked him many times over the years, have

1075
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:29.760
you seen anything? And he went no, no, not not

1076
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.280
at all. And I said you believe in it and

1077
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.119
he went no, no, it's all a bunch of crap.

1078
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:37.039
And I was like, okay. But last year I was

1079
01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:41.159
hiking with him and we were going through the forest

1080
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:45.599
and we're just talking in general and he says, you

1081
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:50.039
haven't seen a sasquatch And I sort of looked up

1082
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:52.039
at him, like, oh, here we go again, and I

1083
01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.440
went no. And then he turned around and he looks

1084
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.559
into me and he went really, And I went no.

1085
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:00.880
I said, you know, I haven't And I went, why

1086
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.239
are you doing all this again? And oh, okay, you've

1087
01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:06.960
never seen anyone? And I don't know. And I said

1088
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:10.159
to him you'd better not tell me after all these

1089
01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:14.559
years you've seen something. And he went, well, I don't

1090
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:18.360
think it was a sasquad. So I asked him what

1091
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:23.519
he was on about, and what he described was I

1092
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:27.440
guess like the Predator effect, you know, the cloaking. He

1093
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:31.400
said he was out in the bush doing his work

1094
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:36.679
once and he saw When I asked him, is it

1095
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:39.400
like the Predator in the movie. He'd never seen Predator,

1096
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:41.360
so he didn't know what I was on about. But

1097
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.000
he said, it was like you were looking through a figure,

1098
01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:49.559
like a translucent figure. And really now, it's what some

1099
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.719
people would say like a cloaking effect, like that Predator effect.

1100
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:56.119
And I said, do you think it was an upright thing?

1101
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.000
He said, oh yeah. He said you could see like limbs,

1102
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:02.840
and you could see ur and it was big. So

1103
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:05.719
I said to him, you know, what do you think

1104
01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:07.480
it was? And he said, well, it's clearly not what

1105
01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:10.760
they call a sasquatch because I couldn't see you know,

1106
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:13.840
I could see right through it. But he'd never told

1107
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:15.519
me that, And I said to him, why's he never

1108
01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.279
told me that before? And he said, well, you know,

1109
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:21.159
why would I And I said, would you think it's

1110
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:23.720
anything linked sasquatch, and he said, no, not at all.

1111
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:26.600
He said, I don't know what that was, and then

1112
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.479
he kind of laughed. He went, maybe it was a

1113
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:34.119
big ghost, but he put you know, he didn't sort

1114
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:36.520
of link it in any way. And he's the sort

1115
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:38.800
of chat he teases me about the subject. So I

1116
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:42.079
wasn't even going to start saying to him, Look, you

1117
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:46.239
know some people believe these things cloak. So I again,

1118
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:52.279
I left it at that. But for this area, it's

1119
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:55.119
a strange area, Jeremiah, because people will tell you it's

1120
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:59.239
the hotbed, but when you hear you don't hear too

1121
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.439
much about it. And if you look at some of

1122
01:09:02.479 --> 01:09:05.960
the reports, they're from quite a long while ago, and

1123
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:08.560
I sometimes wonder if these things are still in the

1124
01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:12.960
area much at all. But I guess it's trying to ask,

1125
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:15.640
Like with what you do, it's trying to get the

1126
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:20.239
right individual, to get them relaxed enough to tell you.

1127
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.880
But the majority of people, if I ever hear them

1128
01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:27.880
talk about it, they rubbish the subject. They just they

1129
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:33.079
don't think there's anything to it. You know, again, if

1130
01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:35.840
you go to Harrison Hotsprings, it's a big tourist thing,

1131
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:42.840
but it's you know, it's an interesting subject. This where

1132
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:45.279
are we? We're twenty twenty six. It's twenty twenty six,

1133
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.119
not me today. Sorry, last year, it feels weird now

1134
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:54.840
saying this. Last year, last summer, we had a really

1135
01:09:54.920 --> 01:10:02.760
unusual occurrence involving my youngest on Vancouver Island. So for

1136
01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:04.760
one of a better word, it was encrypted, but it

1137
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:07.880
wasn't a sasquatch. It was a marine cryptid. Anyway, him

1138
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:14.479
and his body saw a seawater crypted off the coast

1139
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.600
where we were saying, and I realized that something like

1140
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.399
this should be reported. So I got in touch with

1141
01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:28.600
the British Columbia Cryptozoological Society and they actually came out

1142
01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:32.560
to interview my son and his buddy to get a

1143
01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:36.199
description of what they saw. I'm going slightly off topic here,

1144
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:39.640
but anyway, I then just got chatting to them about

1145
01:10:39.680 --> 01:10:41.920
general and I thought in general and I thought, pray,

1146
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:44.840
I'll use this opportunity to talk to them about sasquatch.

1147
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:50.680
And they actually took me out to the Ruby Creek

1148
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:57.800
location where the Chapman's house actually was, which was pretty

1149
01:10:57.800 --> 01:11:00.359
cool because apparently it's not an easy place to get

1150
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:02.840
to and you can only get to it with permission

1151
01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:06.439
because you kind of go down a private road. But

1152
01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.840
they showed me a bit that location, and I spent

1153
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:14.079
a day with them in that area, just driving around

1154
01:11:14.119 --> 01:11:21.640
different spots, and it was interesting talking to them. But

1155
01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:24.079
you know, they they were saying that the side things

1156
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.800
are probably dying down a little bit and becoming less

1157
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:31.119
frequent than what they were and not as not as

1158
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:36.239
reported as often either. But for me, you know, like

1159
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:38.399
I'm doing with you, it's nice when you can talk

1160
01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:41.720
to somebody that has an interest in it that doesn't

1161
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:44.560
rubbish it, because you just can't talk to people in general,

1162
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:48.920
you know, about this subject. You know, I guess if

1163
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.600
you're doing you know, what you do with the podcast

1164
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:55.279
and the channel, you know you're able to do that,

1165
01:11:55.520 --> 01:11:59.479
But in general with me, I yeah, I just I

1166
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:03.239
don't know anyone who outside of the patients that I've

1167
01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:06.279
met who have an interest in it, will believe there's

1168
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.960
anything to do with it. And I, you know, I

1169
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.640
still go out every weekend, but I now go out

1170
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:18.880
just to enjoy things, and you know, I clear my

1171
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:22.920
head and don't think about the subject, and you know,

1172
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.560
whether I will see anything again, you know, it's probably

1173
01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.680
unlikely that I will. But the stuff I've had to

1174
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:33.840
me does convince me that, you know, this is a

1175
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.720
real thing. And those patients that I haven't met, they

1176
01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:39.079
were genuine people. You know. I got a good handle

1177
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:42.159
on their personality. And I'm not a lot, you know,

1178
01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:45.439
a lie detective specialist. But when when you're a physical

1179
01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:50.680
therapist and you every day spent conversing with people, you know,

1180
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:53.960
you get to figure out yourself the little body language

1181
01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:56.359
props if a lying in different stuff. And all these

1182
01:12:56.399 --> 01:13:00.000
people were very genuine. So it's been a great experience.

1183
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:01.319
It's so far living here.

1184
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:09.439
You know, for sure, what an absolutely fascinating journey of

1185
01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:11.680
rob that you've you've been on. I hope that you

1186
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:16.800
are writing stuff down that you keep running into two

1187
01:13:16.840 --> 01:13:20.880
people that are having just wild encounters in this area,

1188
01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:24.479
which I mean, good for you. I'm glad there's someone

1189
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.079
up there with the right viewpoint of things that is

1190
01:13:28.119 --> 01:13:31.159
able to keep track of what's going on.

1191
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:39.920
My goodness. Well, just just to add, following on from

1192
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.159
what happened with my son and his buddy in the summer,

1193
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.520
I was telling one of my coworkers at work about this,

1194
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:50.279
and I know him really well and I went in

1195
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:52.319
a room with him and shut the door because he asked, oh,

1196
01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:55.079
how is your vacation on Vancouver Island? And I said, oh,

1197
01:13:55.159 --> 01:14:00.319
you know, you wouldn't believe this. And then he is like,

1198
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:03.680
I said, you probably think I'm making this up. And

1199
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:06.199
he went no, no, and he said, and we've never

1200
01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.399
discussed this. And he said, hey, Robie, what do you

1201
01:14:08.439 --> 01:14:11.960
think about the whole Sasquatch thing? And I said, oh, yeah,

1202
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:13.800
I said, I think there's something there. And he went

1203
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:17.960
me to me too, and he said, what do you

1204
01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:21.399
think about, you know, the River valley, the mountains and

1205
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.359
the trails and stuff. And I said, well, you know,

1206
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:27.439
I'm always up there hiking. And he said it's a

1207
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:32.239
weird area, isn't it? And I said it supposedly it is.

1208
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:45.319
You're familiar with the missing for one one, David olidis, yes, absolutely, yeah.

1209
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:49.520
So there are two or three cases in his book

1210
01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:53.119
that have happened up in this area. So I was

1211
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:57.399
telling my co worker this and then he said, did

1212
01:14:57.439 --> 01:14:59.760
I ever tell you what happened when we were camping?

1213
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:03.239
And I went no, and he went, I went camping

1214
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:07.840
with a buddy and they were camping by a lake

1215
01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:14.119
and this lake has these designated I guess platforms where

1216
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:18.399
you can picture tent and my coworker his tent was

1217
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:22.079
on the one that was the furthest away from the lake.

1218
01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:25.319
Behind it was just the forest and the mountain.

1219
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:29.359
And he said, I'll tell your Robbie said, I'll never

1220
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:32.039
ever go back to the area again, one hundred percent,

1221
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:36.640
not how camping. And I said, oh, what happened? And

1222
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:42.359
he said, in the night something was playing with like

1223
01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:46.359
the zip. The zip called on his tent so he

1224
01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:50.760
could hear it being toggled with and then sort of

1225
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:54.279
pulled down a little bit. And he said, when it

1226
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.600
first happened, you know, he shot up, he pulled the

1227
01:15:57.680 --> 01:15:59.640
zipper down, stuck his head out of the tent with

1228
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:02.479
a tour There was nothing that It's just a forest.

1229
01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:06.640
And he said, his buddy platform was I don't know,

1230
01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:11.560
several meters away. So he said he called out to

1231
01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:14.399
his body and said like, hey, you know, he's at you,

1232
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.520
and his body was like no anyway. You know, they

1233
01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:21.880
forgot about it. He said. About ten minutes later, same

1234
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:25.680
thing again, something pulling on the zipper, pulling it down

1235
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.880
a little bit. I said, what did you do? Then

1236
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:30.640
he said, I didn't stick my head out. Robbie said,

1237
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:32.840
I was terrified. He said, I got my torch and

1238
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:36.319
kind of shone it through the tent and he said,

1239
01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:38.880
I started yelling at my body. You know, he's at you,

1240
01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:41.840
and his buddy was yelling back at him, quite annoyed, going,

1241
01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:45.880
will you stop shouting. I'm trying to sleep, And he

1242
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:48.840
said it happened two more times, and he said the

1243
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:50.800
last time it happened, he said, I plucked up the

1244
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:54.960
courage and got out the tent with a knife and

1245
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:58.159
a torch, and he when it's so weird. Robbie went,

1246
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:00.520
there was just nothing there. And I said, like, do

1247
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:02.399
you think he was a raccoon or something like that?

1248
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:06.279
And he went, no, no, And he didn't want to

1249
01:17:06.640 --> 01:17:11.720
imply sasquatch, but he was pretty spooked about it. And

1250
01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:16.399
what was interesting about that area? I was telling him

1251
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:20.279
I had a patient who does he's not only a

1252
01:17:20.359 --> 01:17:25.880
keen hiker, but he actually helps make and maintain a

1253
01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:31.439
lot of the trails. And again we just got talking,

1254
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.159
and then you know, I started to prompt him on

1255
01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:37.119
some stuff and I told him about the rocks and

1256
01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:39.479
then he said, oh, I guess you've heard about all

1257
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:42.640
the stories of this region with the sasquatch and stuff.

1258
01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:46.000
And I said, yeah, I have, and it was really interesting.

1259
01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:50.840
And he said to me him and his wife were

1260
01:17:50.920 --> 01:17:56.279
hiking with a couple they know in that region and

1261
01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:03.319
he said, Rob, we'd heard crazy screams, like terrifying screams

1262
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:08.479
that made them turn around and head back. And again

1263
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:10.239
I said to him, you know, do you think it

1264
01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:13.239
was cougar or something like that? And he was like, no, no,

1265
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:15.760
and he said, I'm convinced it's one of these things.

1266
01:18:16.359 --> 01:18:19.039
And the interesting thing about him was, and this is

1267
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:22.880
the only time I've ever heard it mentioned by anybody.

1268
01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:26.319
On a subsequent visit, you know, naturally, I, out of

1269
01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:28.319
my own interest, I got on the subject with him

1270
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:31.600
again and I said to him, you know, we were

1271
01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:33.680
just chatting about it, and he said, have you ever

1272
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:38.760
heard of the little people? And I went and I went,

1273
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:41.520
I have. Actually, I said, not a lot. I said,

1274
01:18:41.520 --> 01:18:43.680
but if you get into this subject, I said, somewhere

1275
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.960
down the line, you hear about it. He said, he

1276
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:51.800
has indigenous friends who have a like a cabin in

1277
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:56.800
the mountain somewhere, and he was telling them about my

1278
01:18:56.920 --> 01:18:59.319
experience with the rocks, and he said to me that

1279
01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:03.880
they they said to him, tell the physical therapist that

1280
01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:06.479
that's one hundred percent of first squatch, and tell him

1281
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:09.800
to be careful. And I was like, oh, okay. And

1282
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:14.880
then they said to him tell him as well to

1283
01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:19.560
stay away from the little people. And I was like, well,

1284
01:19:19.600 --> 01:19:21.720
nine hundred percent, I haven't seen any little people. And

1285
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.479
he said, well, Rob, they said, if you see any

1286
01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:30.000
small footprints, turn around and go back, don't go any further.

1287
01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:32.600
And that's all he ever said about it, because he said,

1288
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.279
that's all they ever said about it. But that was

1289
01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:40.880
the only time that I've heard that mentioned. But what

1290
01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:44.600
was interesting that, going back years before that, the female

1291
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:47.720
I asked cmp. I remember she said to me, if

1292
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.000
you're ever out in the forest or you're hiking and

1293
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:54.800
you hear your name being called, or you hear a

1294
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:59.560
baby crying or anything like that, turn around and go back.

1295
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.119
And that's all they said. They went, don't don't try

1296
01:20:03.159 --> 01:20:06.000
and explore it, just turn around and go back immediately

1297
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:12.880
to back home again. So they're some fascinating things around

1298
01:20:12.920 --> 01:20:15.680
for sure, And I just wonder how many people are

1299
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:18.119
holding something in and just not telling you, you know,

1300
01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:19.479
what it's all about.

1301
01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:26.000
A lot, Rob, I would say, it's a lot. Half

1302
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:28.479
the people I talked to end up not going on

1303
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:32.279
the show because they're scared to lose their job or

1304
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:35.960
what people will say. So it is a lot, my friend,

1305
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:43.079
you have experienced some incredible things, and I just want

1306
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:47.600
to so the video you sent me. I don't agree

1307
01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:51.399
with the person I've said that to you, not at all,

1308
01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:57.000
not a percent. It's just is it okay if I

1309
01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:58.880
put that video in YouTuber?

1310
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:03.279
Oh of course you can. Yeah, yeah. And I mean

1311
01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:05.079
the one thing I was just going to add about

1312
01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:09.920
the video that bent over branch and these were bloody

1313
01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:15.159
thick branches right, and tall trees right. That branch is

1314
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:19.520
perfectly sitting in the center of that X. And I

1315
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:24.560
had a little look and nearby what you can't see

1316
01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:27.039
in the video, I'm not sure if you could hear it,

1317
01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:29.399
there was a very small like you couldn't even call

1318
01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:31.880
it a creek, but like a runoff from further up

1319
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:36.439
the mountain, and that middle branch that the tip of it,

1320
01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:42.520
so to speak, was wedged under the bank it. You know,

1321
01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:46.039
it wasn't just lying down on the forest floor. It

1322
01:21:46.119 --> 01:21:50.359
was wedged underneath the bank of this little creek, and

1323
01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:55.079
I just thought it looked too distinctive for me anyway,

1324
01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:58.079
you know, like number one you got that perfect X,

1325
01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:03.880
and then number two you some how got another. Well,

1326
01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:06.279
it wasn't even a branch. There was a tree that's

1327
01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.479
been bent right the way over and it's sitting on that.

1328
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:13.119
I mean, you know this this lady that told me,

1329
01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:18.600
she said, look it's snowfall. Okay, I'm no, she's probably

1330
01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:21.479
seen way more than me, but I still think it

1331
01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:25.279
looked too and it was so out of the ordinary

1332
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:28.800
of everything else around it enoughing, you know, it was strange.

1333
01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:33.600
You know, I'm I'm with you. I just kind of

1334
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:38.800
thought it's there. That's deliberate. I just don't think that's accidental.

1335
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:40.600
I don't think it's the wind. I don't think it's

1336
01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:41.039
the snow.

1337
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.159
It's absolutely deliberate. I mean I would say there's nothing

1338
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:48.439
to do with with snowload for that. That's not snowload

1339
01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:57.600
one percent in my opinion. Anyways. Also your account of

1340
01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:03.119
talking to the gentleman, which we're not going to talk

1341
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:06.720
about that gentleman, but I get it. But it's an

1342
01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:12.840
interesting journey you went through in that, which is you know,

1343
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:16.520
really you found the in quotation wise old man on

1344
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:21.359
the mountain who's allegedly has all the answers. But it

1345
01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:23.600
almost made you walk away, But you came to the

1346
01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:28.760
realization that hey, I need to figure this out for

1347
01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:35.479
myself and I have experienced things, and just because some

1348
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:39.720
other guys says it's not accurate, you know, I don't

1349
01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:42.359
think that should push people away, but unfortunately it does.

1350
01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:44.920
I mean, your story is not the first one that

1351
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:47.640
I've heard like that, But people need to realize, hey,

1352
01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:51.880
they're they're experiencing something out there and they need to

1353
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:55.039
figure it out for themselves and not relay, not rely

1354
01:23:55.239 --> 01:23:57.239
on the people that say they're experts, because there's no

1355
01:23:57.359 --> 01:23:59.800
experts in this field. That's what it comes down to.

1356
01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:05.439
Well, and that was a thing that annoyed me about

1357
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:10.840
this individual on the phone. He was talking like an expert,

1358
01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:15.119
but then he was saying there are no experts, and

1359
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:17.680
I wanted to go, well, you've written I think it's

1360
01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:20.680
three books on it, and I've seen you on different

1361
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:25.600
YouTube documentaries and you talk about you're an expert, and

1362
01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:31.000
you rubbish anything else that doesn't follow your paradigm, so

1363
01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:36.439
to speak. And then he was almost whatever I said

1364
01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:38.920
I almost got to the point in the phone conversation

1365
01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:41.800
where I just felt like coming out with things like, oh,

1366
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:45.560
what about whatnox, what about rock clerks, what about growing likes?

1367
01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:49.039
What about this? Everything was like, no, no, no, there's

1368
01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:52.680
no evidence. There's no evidence. There's no evidence, and the

1369
01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:55.239
things that done it for me. I just flat out

1370
01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:57.520
said to him, can I ask you believe in this?

1371
01:24:57.840 --> 01:25:04.560
And he hesitated, It wasn't like and then I just

1372
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:07.880
you know, in the end, I was almost just playing

1373
01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:10.159
with him, you know, just because I thought what a

1374
01:25:10.319 --> 01:25:16.239
pointless time it was for me to do it. And

1375
01:25:16.279 --> 01:25:18.000
then I think the thing that got me and I

1376
01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:21.720
argued with this hi he said, I firmly believe the

1377
01:25:21.800 --> 01:25:26.000
majority of them are a case of misidentification, and it's

1378
01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:30.359
a bear. And I said, you think it's a bear

1379
01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:33.760
walking around on two legs? And he went yeah, And

1380
01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:36.760
I went, have have you ever seen a bear walk

1381
01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:39.800
on two legs? I went, they walk like a toddler

1382
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.039
in a diaper that they've just had, you know, but

1383
01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:46.479
they just filled. I went, there's nothing graceful about bears

1384
01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:49.960
when they walk the two legs. And you know, thinking

1385
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.159
back to the thing that this irishman said, to me

1386
01:25:52.239 --> 01:25:54.680
about this thing that went up the mountain side. He said,

1387
01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:57.000
he went a bit like an athlete, you know, on

1388
01:25:57.119 --> 01:26:00.680
two legs. There's don't go up the mountain on two legs.

1389
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:02.760
So I argued with them and I said, that was

1390
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:05.439
the one thing I said, I completely disagree. I said,

1391
01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:07.640
people know what a bear looks like. And I said,

1392
01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:09.119
if you look at the build of a bear on

1393
01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:13.159
two legs, they have really narrow shoulders, they kind of

1394
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:16.279
widen out at the hips. They have broad pelvis, you know,

1395
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.399
but their shoulders are narrow, and they have distinctive ears.

1396
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:22.399
And I said, in most cases these things don't, and

1397
01:26:22.439 --> 01:26:27.880
they have massive shoulders, you know, like like plane hanger shoulders.

1398
01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:31.800
So I, yeah, I did go off it for a while,

1399
01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:34.560
but then I came back round, you know, to it again.

1400
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:40.119
And I stay very open minded. And I just convinced

1401
01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:44.239
just from particularly the people I've spoken to, you know,

1402
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:47.359
just when you when you see it in their eyes,

1403
01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:50.680
you see it in their manner, You're like, yeah, there's

1404
01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:54.199
no other explanation for it, no other explanation at all.

1405
01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:03.359
Rob, what a fascinating conversation. In my goodness, I really

1406
01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:06.560
didn't know a lot about what we were going to

1407
01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:09.319
be talking about. And I mean, you have really really

1408
01:27:10.359 --> 01:27:11.960
been able to talk to a lot of people in

1409
01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:14.359
this area. I hope that continues for you. It sounds

1410
01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:16.640
like people are starting to I don't know, they're just

1411
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:19.319
kind of drawn to you for some reason, which is

1412
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:26.479
really interesting to share their account. But is this something

1413
01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:31.199
where you hope to experience something again in the future

1414
01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:33.199
or how do you feel regarding that.

1415
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:41.520
I'd love to get a visual just to see it

1416
01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:47.600
for myself, Yeah, and just in my mind to confirm

1417
01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:52.399
what's the rocket day? How we just love that? You know,

1418
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:55.680
I know I can't prove it, but I'm so convinced

1419
01:27:55.720 --> 01:27:59.479
it wasn't a person. And then the only other thing that, potentially,

1420
01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:02.000
depending on your views of it, that could do it

1421
01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:04.680
is one of these things. So I would love just

1422
01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:10.520
to get enough of a visual, whether it's you know,

1423
01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:12.840
I'm driving in a car and one crosses a road

1424
01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:15.359
or head or whether I'm you know, like I do,

1425
01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:18.319
sitting on a rock with monoculars just just looking for

1426
01:28:18.439 --> 01:28:22.319
wildlife see one. I would so love to just to

1427
01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:24.520
just get that little glimpse, even if it's just a

1428
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:27.600
second or two, where I can just go right that's it. Yeah,

1429
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:31.199
I'm good with that, you know, I can, you know,

1430
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:38.079
happily just be very content knowing I'm not ninety percent

1431
01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:42.000
now and one hundred percent convinced that you know there's

1432
01:28:42.000 --> 01:28:45.319
something there. Yeah, I would. I would love to love

1433
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:47.399
to see one. I really would. I when I hear

1434
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.119
people like this irishman, I listen to his account, He's

1435
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:52.159
the one I always remember and I'm LIKELD, that must

1436
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:56.640
have just been amazing but probably terrifying as well. But

1437
01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:00.680
you know, I absolutely would love to see Will. Yeah,

1438
01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:03.640
but I just don't think ever Will. I don't think

1439
01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:04.199
iver Will.

1440
01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:09.960
I'm right there with you. I'm hoping that, you know,

1441
01:29:10.039 --> 01:29:13.760
hopefully twenty twenty six is the year that I'm able

1442
01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:17.720
to get a visual as visual as well. But man, Rob,

1443
01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:22.039
I was just looking and reminding myself. You first reached

1444
01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:24.399
out in November of twenty twenty four, and I am

1445
01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:28.039
just so thankful that we're actually able to have this conversation.

1446
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:32.560
Sometimes it takes a while to have them, but so

1447
01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:35.159
thankful that you were able to come on. And you

1448
01:29:35.479 --> 01:29:39.159
had also said that if people want to reach out

1449
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:43.439
to you to talk about bigfoot in this area, they're

1450
01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:44.000
able to do.

1451
01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:50.279
So right, Yeah, yeah, I'm mold and happy. Yeah, I'm

1452
01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:51.119
old and happy.

1453
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.239
Too, fantastic. I am going to put that contact info

1454
01:29:55.479 --> 01:30:02.880
then in the description for this episode, so people can

1455
01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:07.800
reach out if they would like to talk to Rob

1456
01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:11.279
about any encounters they've had in the area. And of

1457
01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:15.159
course people are always more than welcome to reach out

1458
01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:19.359
to myself if they have things to report, bigfoot sightings

1459
01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:22.199
or encounters in their area to report, they can reach

1460
01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:25.760
out to me as Bigfoot Society gmail dot com. But Rob,

1461
01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:29.319
thank you so much for coming on the show, and

1462
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:34.560
I'm sure that you'll continue to run into encounters just

1463
01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:37.800
living in this area, and we'll definitely have to keep

1464
01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:38.239
in touch.

1465
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:45.159
Yeah. Absolutely, It's like I said, I mean, I didn't

1466
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.399
have a visual, but I think I have something that

1467
01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:52.840
strongly suggests we were close to one of these things.

1468
01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:59.680
So yeah, I appreciate you, you know, seeing it was

1469
01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:01.239
a for me just to come on and talk to

1470
01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:01.800
you about it.

1471
01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:05.640
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

1472
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.920
around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, man, I

1473
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:11.840
would love to get out in those woods and experience

1474
01:31:11.880 --> 01:31:16.319
it for myself. Well guess what this year? You can

1475
01:31:17.039 --> 01:31:20.000
if this is interesting to you. Stay tuned because it's

1476
01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:24.920
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1477
01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:28.159
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

1478
01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:32.840
even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll

1479
01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:35.159
be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild.

1480
01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:40.640
I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you

1481
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:47.279
haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

1482
01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:49.399
you just got to be there. We'll leave it that

1483
01:31:49.640 --> 01:31:52.239
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

1484
01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:57.439
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

1485
01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:02.399
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

1486
01:32:02.479 --> 01:32:05.560
not only go to the festival, but you can also

1487
01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:13.199
sign up for a track deep in the wild forest

1488
01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:17.960
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots

1489
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:21.920
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

1490
01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:25.560
up for this. And yes, this will also be filmed

1491
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:28.760
for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is

1492
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:31.960
Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

1493
01:32:32.199 --> 01:32:35.199
It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

1494
01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:40.319
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

1495
01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:44.960
dot com and listeners can use the code b SP

1496
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:49.760
like Bigfoot Society Podcast in order to get a two

1497
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:52.520
day pass for the price of a one day pass.

1498
01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:57.720
So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

1499
01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:04.319
that you guys can can get a little help with

1500
01:33:04.399 --> 01:33:07.680
the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see

1501
01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:11.960
you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can

1502
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:14.239
talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so

1503
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.880
many people last year and the year before. It is

1504
01:33:18.039 --> 01:33:20.840
an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,

1505
01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:25.680
and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode,

1506
01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:28.279
I want to say something directly to a very specific

1507
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:31.800
group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch

1508
01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:34.800
or forces, and if you've seen something that no one

1509
01:33:34.880 --> 01:33:38.079
can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger or

1510
01:33:38.239 --> 01:33:41.560
forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if

1511
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:45.119
you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,

1512
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:48.359
or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or

1513
01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:51.920
working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed

1514
01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:54.960
to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

1515
01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:58.600
search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks

1516
01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:01.760
that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

1517
01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:05.640
on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government

1518
01:34:05.720 --> 01:34:09.319
contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told

1519
01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:12.960
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1520
01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:16.560
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1521
01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:20.319
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1522
01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:23.600
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1523
01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:26.039
that shook your faith, or if you work in the

1524
01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:30.640
shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance, and you've seen

1525
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:34.359
what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,

1526
01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:40.279
even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot

1527
01:34:40.359 --> 01:34:43.520
Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear

1528
01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:47.800
what you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone.

1529
01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:53.720
You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you

1530
01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:56.319
in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode

1531
01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:59.560
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01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:01.680
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1533
01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:04.640
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1534
01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:07.800
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