Nov. 25, 2025

Digging Into Washington Bigfoot FOIAs Reveals Disturbing Links to a U.S. President

Digging Into Washington Bigfoot FOIAs Reveals Disturbing Links to a U.S. President
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Season 1

What happens when a routine Bigfoot FOIA request uncovers redacted documents, government backing, and hints of shocking presidential involvement? In this explosive episode, we sit down with researcher and author Eric Palacios to break down newly revealed Bigfoot case files that officials never expected the public to see.



From mysterious ape sightings in Santa Fe, Texas, to whispered claims that a U.S. President may have known more about Bigfoot than anyone realized, this conversation dives deep into the shadows of American cryptid history.



We explore hidden government archives, alphabet-agency redactions, strange police reports, unexplained animal encounters, and the chilling possibility that key Bigfoot evidence was intentionally buried. If you’re fascinated by Bigfoot sightings, FOIA secrets, government cover-ups, cryptid investigations, or presidential mysteries, this episode is a must-listen.



Hit play and uncover the story they never wanted you to read.

Resources:

Bigfoot: The Redacted Truth - https://amzn.to/4oL58HD (Amazon Affiliate link that helps support the podcast

Eric's Youtube channel with Bigfoot FOIA documentaries - https://www.youtube.com/@HairyManRoad 

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right. Big for Society got

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the privilege of having Eric Pealacios back on the show.

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We have talked before, but I am really excited to

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have him on to talk about this today, Bigfoot, The

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Redacted Truth. Eric finally has his book out where he's

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got some absolute bombshells of foyer requested information that he

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has now in the public sphere. And welcome to the show.

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Eric.

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How are you doing man, Hey.

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Jeremia, I'm doing good. Thanks for having me back again.

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It's been a while.

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Absolutely, man, you have been busy. I got this book

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off Amazon and I was like, yeah, maybe there'll be

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like one or two new things, and I was like, whoa,

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there's a lot of new things. There's some really really

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really big things that are in this book that honestly

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should be in the newspaper. They should be in some newspaper,

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and I'm pretty sure they're only in this book. So man,

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And maybe we'll get into that later on the interview.

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But I mean, if you're into Bigfoot in like and

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weird stuff about Bigfoot and like, oh, there's probably stuff

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going on behind the scenes, get the book, guys. I'm

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gonna have this the link in the show notes for this.

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But Eric, what have you been up to since we

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last talked.

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I've been too a lot. There's been a lot of

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stuff going on with me. I've been doing Foyer requests

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all over the country and I've had some really incredible results.

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If you've seen my channel, Jeremiah, I've kind of talked

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to you on the side about some things I found

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just kind of keeping you in the loop and stuff

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like that, but really some incredible stuff that I honestly

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didn't know what to do with. I never really intended

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on writing a book. I had everything on my YouTube

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channel and like my Patreon, and I really thought that

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was going to be it. I didn't think it was

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going to be any further than that. But I kept

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getting these four year requests results back in one thing

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after another. I was like, this is just, you know,

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people need to know about this stuff. I mean, some

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of these reports actually have Bigfoot in the name. Some

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of these police reports, some of these federal reports that

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were going to go over they actually specifically say Bigfoot Sasquatch.

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I mean, there's even mentions in the early or the

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late sixties, early seventies of a possibly allegedly seemed like

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a government funded hunt for Bigfoot. And I wouldn't have

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believed it unless I found the documents to prove it.

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And it's really just one of the main things that

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kind of steered me to writing the book. I had

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a bunch of police reports and emails. The book also

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has some internal emails that were really never meant to

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see the light of day, pertanning to Bigfoot, and I'm

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talking about emails from park rangers, park managers, county clerks,

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and this stuff really was just kind of conversations they

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were having privately, never thinking it was going to be

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released to the public. So all that stuff. I really

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felt like the public kind of needed to see this,

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and that's where the inspiration for the book came from.

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And it did take me a little while to get

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this out because every time I thought I was finished,

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I would get another report of something and that I'd

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be like, oh, man, I can't leave this out. I

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got to figure out a way to put this in there.

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So trying to get it out by this past summer,

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but got delayed and end up coming around. I put

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it out in the fall, the end of September, and

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and yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. I'm really glad that

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you got a copy. I was gonna send you one,

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I haven't had the chance to yet, but I'm glad

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you picked it up. And I really appreciate your your

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perspective on you know, the book and everything like that.

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so I might have to do some type of follow

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a book or like a part two, just because I've,

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like I said, you never know when you're gonna get

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stuff back from these four year requests, and I've been

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getting stuff back right after the book was published. I

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got like two things right back, so I might have

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to do another one.

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Oh, I would definitely say. So, do you have a

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a report that is in this book that is just like,

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is there a number one favorite that you and you're like, oh,

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my goodness, it's just I still can't believe that that

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that is in there or do they all equally just

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just blow your mind.

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I do have one that's my favorite. It's my absolute.

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I think I've entitled the chapter in my book the

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Greatest Bigfoot Sighting of all Time just because of the

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amount of documentation there was, the people that were involved

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with this. So basically what happened was this is a

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I did a four year request to the Bureau of

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Indian Affairs, the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs, seeing if

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they had any type of you know, bigfoot sas much

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information cryptid information, and surprisingly they told me they had

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over like three thousand bigfoot documents. They only released one

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thing to me, and that one that one thing was

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it's mind blowing. And that one thing is mind blowing.

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I'm just kind of wondering, what's the other stuff about,

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you know, But this one thing, I'll read you a

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little bit of this yere in a second. But this

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one thing happened in nineteen seventy eight. It was in

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the Mescalaro Apache Reservation in New Mexico. In pretty much

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what happened was the woman was out there with her

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child at the time, and they're just walking around their property.

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They hear something and they approach this water tank and

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from behind this water tank they have comes out a bigfoot.

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And I mean the actual folder. I have the folder here.

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It actually says it's labeled animal or Bigfoot Incident Report.

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This is a federal document. It says animal or bigfoot.

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That's how I think they took it seriously because the

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amount of agents that were involved. They were at least

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four agencies involved. We know this from the incident report.

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And if I could, can I go ahead and read

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you this little piece. So this is in the book,

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and this is really what triggered the entire incident. So

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it says June twenty fifth, nineteen, a Sunday, and it

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says redacted called and requested an officer. Redacted said she

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advised that she had seen an animal or bigfoot by

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her residence. Needs someone to come and check it out.

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This is a federal document from nineteen seventy eight. Never

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seen the light of day, never would have seen the

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light of day unless someone hadn't done the Foyer request.

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And for me, like I said, this is just one

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piece of documentation. Her account is in here, the federal

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officers account in here. I believe there's like six pages

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that are in the book all total. I want to

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say there were. We never know how many pages they

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are because I believe at the top it's kind of

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redacted on how many pages there were. But for me,

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I think, really this is just the most incredible bigfoot

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sting of all time because we've got the federal rangers

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going out there investigating this, taking this incredibly seriously. We've

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got them, like I said, they're multiple accounts of what

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they saw, and in the report it's that they were

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actually they were like one hundred percent sure that it

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was a bigfoot and not a bear, because they tried

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to say the federal agents kind of tried to skew

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it and say that it was like a bear. This

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is a Native woman that's been out there probably her

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whole life. I'm sure she's seen a hundred bears come

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and go. She absolutely knew what she had seen out

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there that day, and she said it was bigfoot. Not

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only that, but in the report they also mentioned another

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signing that took place in the area called head Springs

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that was just a few days after this incident happened.

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So really, I think that's kind to be my favorite

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one because again, we hear all these stories about bigfoot

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or sasquatch surrounding or being around these Native American reservations.

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You've heard stuff in Oklahoma and stuff like that, but

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we've really never had any type of solid documentation or

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data until this report came out. For me, this is

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this is solid. This is a federal report. It's titled

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you know, animal or Bigfoot. There's no going around that.

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It's just it's wild, dude. And the other cool thing

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I love about your book is you're not just writing

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about this like you are. You scanned or took pictures

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of the pages that you got, yes, and you can

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actually see them for each case, and it is incredible.

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And I know, oh my goodness, there has got to

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be some some individuals in the government that are just like, oh, oh, guys,

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went too far this time.

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Yeah. I've actually had a meeting. I've had a meeting

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with a couple of agents because it was doing for

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your request for another area, and they were like, oh,

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you know whatever, can we have a meeting with you?

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And so I had a meeting. They called me at

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like ten o'clock in the morning. I don't I don't

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think they gave me much notice. I want to say.

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I got the email the same day and then they

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called like right away, Like I said, okay, boom. They

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called right away early in the morning, and we had

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a meeting and I sent them this. I sent them

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the Native American Bigfoot file that I received from the

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Bureau the Indian Affairs. Uh. And after I sent them that,

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they're like, we'll get back to you.

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And that was That was pretty much the end of

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the conversation right there.

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Well okay, well wait wait, so so where were these

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did they? Who were these guys associated with?

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It was the Fish and Wildlife Department. They actually I

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had a meeting with them because I was trying to

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get some files from a region that I hadn't before,

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and they said, hey, can we have a meeting with you.

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We want to want to know what you're up to,

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what are you doing? And I'm not sure you know

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what they were expecting up until I had sent them

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that document. When they had sent that, they were like, okay,

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so you're you're serious about this yet. So that was

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really that was the end of the conversation. After I

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had sent them that, they're like, okay, we'll get back

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to you. And yeah, that was.

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Did you ever were you able to have a ever

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have a face to face with them? Or this was

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just over the phone or this was just over the phone.

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Yeah, I don't know if I'd want to have a

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face to face with And this was weird because I

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was on a call and I thought it was just

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going to be me and him, but he also said, oh,

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we have this person on the line and this person

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on the line. I was like, oh, he just kind

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of blindsided me with that. I was just thinking it

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was going to be because I had a back and

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forth email a little bit of a dialogue with this

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one person and then he called me and then there's

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two other people that are kind of sitting in on

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the conversation. So whatever that was, I don't know. But

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they were really surprised when I showed them that Bureau

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of Indian Affairs document. They were really interested in that.

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Imagine if you had busted out the whole like, oh, yeah,

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American Expedition.

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I did not want to go that far. Yeah, because

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you know, I don't want to give him all the cards,

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Oh my goodness, this absolutely absolutely wild wild stuff. Can

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can you tell me that the story about what's the

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background story about the files with Robert W. Morgan? And

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and I guess we can say the President Nixon.

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it's out there, it's out there. Yeah. I have been

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incredibly fascinated with Robert Morgan. I've always known his name,

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but I didn't know how deep he went into the subject.

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And I knew he had made his documentary films and

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done some research, and I thought that was really the

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extent of it until I found his proposal for a

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big foot hunt that took place in nineteen sixty nine

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that he sent to the White House. And it was

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really kind of I mean, they were getting approval or

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help from different Department of Agriculture, they were getting the

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National Science Foundation, they were like, yeah, send us whatever

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you got. So if it wasn't directly funded, it was

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definitely going to be. It was going to be looked

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at whatever these people brought back from this expedition. Now,

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not only that, but there were other really big names

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involved with this. The Sheriff's Camania Sheriff's office was involved,

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a couple of sheriffs were involved in the expedition. And

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the proposal that Robert Morgan sent, it's in the book.

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He mentions, Hey, we'll keep this top secret. We have

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a guy willing to work at Hartwick College in New York.

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He'll process any specimens we have, any evidence we have,

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we'll send it to him, and we'll do it quietly.

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Like it says that. It says that in the document,

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the weird thing is with Hardwack College, I believe that's

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the name. It's in New York. Right out in front

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there's a Gigantopithegis statue in front of that in front

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of this university. Yeah, so that's kind of like, WHOA,

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what's going on with that? That's really interesting. But this

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was way back before that statue ever existed. This is

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in nineteen sixty nine, and this is all this is

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kind of taking place. And again, like it's he sends

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this report of their expedition to President Nixon and other

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cabinet members were involved, pretty much telling them, yeah, you

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got to go ahead. There is money mentioned. There is

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money mentioned in this documents. He's saying, you can pay

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me what I was making when I was working with

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the military. This is Robert Morgan. Robert Morgan is such

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a really kind of shadowy figure in general. I mean,

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the stuff he's kind of been associated with, the people

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he's been associated with, really really interesting guy. Even apart

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from the Bigfoot subject. He's wrote some books about infiltrating

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the mafia, and I mean, he's just a really really

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interesting person. I would have I would love to have

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a conversation with him at some point. And I mean, again,

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he was front and center kind of taking this whole

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Bigfoot expedition. I want to say he if it wasn't,

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I would probably say Tom Slick might have been the first,

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and then shortly after it it was Robert W. But

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Tom Slick was doing that out of his own pocket,

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billionaire oil guy. But again, he's had communication with the

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head the White House and it's it's it's in there,

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and in the book he has he mentions exactly what

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they did. They did have some interesting encounters or incidents happened.

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It's documented, he submits that in the report, and they planned,

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they planned a follow up. The follow up mission was

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actually to capture a specimen alive. It says that in there,

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which is just kind of when you think about it,

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you're just like they're trying to capture a specimen like

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in the early nineteen seventies. Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't

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believe it unless there was kind of documentation showing it.

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But it's it's so incredible just just to look. I mean,

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there's I mean, it's it's there's at least one page

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on here where it says the White House, Washington. It's

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like white House, Uh yeah, would you call it letterhead?

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I don't know, it's like.

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I think probably the most interesting document from that is

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that it's titled Abominable Snowman. It says whoever wherever like legislation,

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whoever needs the legislation for this, or something to that effect.

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So it kind of sounds like they were almost ready

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to construct some type of legislation if and when Robert

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Morgan would have been successful.

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The other interesting thing that you pointed out in here

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is that so the pages you have scanned in where

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it's it's Morgan's letters to pretty much to Hickelet. Long

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story short is that they have stamps on them, which

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the official White House routing stamps, which pretty much proved

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that they were They actually like got there to the

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differences along the ways and people did see them, which

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is just mind blowing.

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Absolutely at the top it'll say like date received, date

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read like those two stamps right there. Uh, and it's

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it was taken seriously. We have to say it was

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taken seriously. There were responses from National Park Service saying, hey,

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why don't you come to the Gifford Pitchett National Forest.

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You guys will have Part Blanche out here. You can

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do whatever you want. And they went out there and

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again there every every piece, every piece of their expedition

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is documented in Robert Morgan's report. And some of those

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people went out to do some really incredible things. Bob Carr,

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the anthropologist that I've actually spoken to. Uh, when I

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found his name attached to this, to this report, this

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Robert Morgan's report, I thought it was so interesting and

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I reached out to him, and to me, it almost

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felt like some of these people were put in the dark.

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Some of the people that were on this expedition, they

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knew what they were doing, but they didn't know, you know,

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who was behind it. Or they absolutely had no idea

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that Robert Morgan was in communication with the White House.

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I had sent mister Carr those letters and he's like,

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whoa this is? I didn't know this this exists?

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No way.

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Wow.

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So you you got on the phone with him?

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Absolutely yeah, oh.

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Man, Yeah, that that is. That is absolutely wild. And

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and I will also say, Robert W. Morgan is is

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I would I would have to say if I was

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to pick like my at least definitely on on my

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Mount Rushmore of Bigfoot researchers, He's on there. And I

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would say if people have never read, or if listeners

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have never read The Bigfoot Observers Field Manual by Robert W. Morgan,

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it is worth picking up. You will learn more from

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this one little book than anything else when it comes

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to researching Bigfoot and how to figure out your area

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to check out. And it's so good, it's so good.

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Robert W. Morgan is such a such a good individual.

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Imagine where that could have gone. I mean, if it

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an alternate universe, right Nixon could have been the President

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Nixon in the Bigfoot. They could have brought the Bigfoot

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back to the White House like a Lewis and Clark expedition.

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They were prepared for it. I mean, they had people

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at universities kind of standing by for when they did

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bring something back. And again, it was an expedition to

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capture something. It says it in the report, like our

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goals to capture whatever, and we're gonna make laws. We're

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gonna designate, you know, once we once everything's finished scientifically,

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we're gonna re release it back into the wild. All

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this is in the report. It's just mind blowing, like

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they had everything kind of ready for this to happen.

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The reason he was writing certain people is because he

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wanted the legislation passed immediately. When they found something, they

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wanted it passed right away, just to protect the habitat,

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protect these beings, and that we have areas where legislation

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has passed where they now are sanctuaries for bigfoot sasquatch.

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And some people might look at that as kind of

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a jokey thing. Robert Morgan was absolutely serious when he

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was looking for that, saying, hey, we need to designate

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this place a you know, safe spice for sasquatch or bigfoot,

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and other areas have followed that. I don't know unknowingly

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or knowingly, but there are places like that.

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Yeah, there's there's multiple, multiple places I'm thinking of in

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Washington where I mean, if you if you shoot, uh,

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you do not want to do that, You're gonna get

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heavily fined. I think Scamania County is actually one of

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those places. And uh, there's, uh, I know of at

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least one school where Cliff talked about this on his podcast,

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where the school project for the year is to get

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to contact different legislators in different counties in Washington and

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too to get them to see if they can pass

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a law or an ordinance like that not to hurt Bigfoot.

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If you hurt bigfoot, like there'll be consequences. So pretty

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cool stuff, Mike. So the question though, is how did

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you know to start digging under the for this. Did

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you hear something or was this just like, Hey, I

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wonder if President Nixon ever had anything to do with

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with bigfooter, Like, how did you get down this rabbit hole?

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Yeah, it wasn't really like that at all. I was

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just kind of doing foyer request for names that I

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knew they were in the field.

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To backtrack a little bit, so it sounded like you

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were just randomly picking out names of people associated with

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Bigfoot over the years. So that's probably then you just

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did a foyer for Robert W. Morgan and stumbled upon it.

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So that one was actually I didn't have to do

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a foyer for that. That was actually buried in an

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archive that I don't think anyone had ever seen before.

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This was like deep inter national archive that you had

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to like pay the access to get. So I did that,

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got access to it, and found this buried in a

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bunch of just stuff where it you would never have

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been able to find it where you were looking, And

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I'm like, what the heck is this doing here? But

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I was doing a search for Robert Morgan and that's

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really how it popped up, and it just went from there,

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and there were a lot of Robert Morgan's that I

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had to kind of comb through. But when I found that,

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I was like, holy crap, this is this and I

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dug through it and it was just kind of mind

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blowing when I found it.

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So and you'll have to excuse I don't know a

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lot about it. So national archive, So is this an

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electronic search that you're doing or you're actually going somewhere.

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This was an electronic search that was through a university.

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This university had this, I believe it's I know, it's

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like a paid service that you have to go through

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or whatever, and it's a national thing. But I think

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it's hosted by this university. So it's not officially like

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National Archive, but it's a national document from you know,

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they might have got a copy of it years ago

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and just kind of stashed it never see never, it's

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never intending for it to be public.

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Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Wow, that's crazy.

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It was there.

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It was just there the whole time, like.

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It was there the whole time. It was there the

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whole time. Yeah.

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It makes you wonder what other stuff is just there

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and you never know unless you just happen to search

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for the right keyword.

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Yeah, exactly. That's the only that's the only thing from

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my book that I found in an archive, which it's

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I've done so much digging in the archives. I found

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some really interesting stuff that I thought about putting in

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the book, and I wasn't sure, Like I have a

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it's like a card from the Bureau of the Indian Affairs.

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This was this wasn't an archive, it wasn't a four

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year request. But in there it says that it's from

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like the thirties. It says a bigfoot stole a horse

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and they had chased this bigfoot to try to find

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these horses. Whether or not that's like a I don't

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think that was a Bigfoot tribe or anything like that,

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but it says that like a bigfoot stole a horse.

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They said they went after it and stuff like that.

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But I didn't really find much other in the National

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Archives other than that. Then a couple of things, and

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I think a lot of people have seen, like the

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FBI stuff, the hair sample stuff that was taken. I

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think a lot of people are kind of familiar with that.

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Stuff that happened peter Burn one Peter Burn, Yeah, yep.

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So apart from that's really the only other thing I

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had seen in the archives that had kind of been released.

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And honestly, that made things a little bit harder because

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every time I tried searching that kept popping up, that

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Peter Burn thing kept popping up.

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So that makes it even more wild because well, in

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a way, there's a paper trail, but there's not a

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really obvious paper trail that hey, this guy found the

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Robert W. Morgan asking President Nixon and etc. About the

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Yetti expedition. I mean, now that is in a book,

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like it's out there, and I think as as hopefully,

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you know, you get on more and more or more

461
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.000
and more people listen to this and they realized, hey,

462
00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:09.640
this is man, this is a it's a really big deal.

463
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.880
Like I don't I hope people realize how big a

464
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.559
deal those documents are.

465
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.119
That's they're huge. And we know, like this is the

466
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:20.240
documents that were made public. We know there's stuff that

467
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:23.480
was not made public, and I've looked for it because

468
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:27.119
in that bundle there there was a letter that Robin

469
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.920
Morgan sent to the National Science Foundations. Basically they were

470
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.720
basically saying, hey, we're cool, you can send us anything

471
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:37.599
you want. We got a heads up from Nixon's crew

472
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:39.759
you're going to be doing this, and we want to

473
00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:41.640
we want to be kept informed about it. This is

474
00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.359
them call, you know, going back and forth. And so

475
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.599
I reached out to them, the National Science Foundation. I'm like, hey,

476
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.119
you guys had a dialogue between Robert Morgan. There were

477
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:53.119
multiple letters sent. I only have one. Can I have

478
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:54.640
the rest of them? It's a four year okay, so

479
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.039
you're a government organ as or organization, you got to

480
00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.319
give it to me. And they're like, we don't know

481
00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:01.240
what you're talking about out nothing. And so I sent

482
00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:05.039
them the letter and they were like, we can't find anything.

483
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:06.680
We don't have any record of that. And I'm like,

484
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.359
you don't have any record of it. It's your your

485
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:11.200
your letter had everything like this is your document from

486
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.319
your you know, organization they had. They didn't even have

487
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:14.960
that stuff.

488
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.000
Oh, they didn't even have the stuff you had.

489
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:19.640
They didn't know they didn't even have it.

490
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:25.839
Oh man, ooh that's wild. That is something.

491
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.039
And I hope that was news to them, that that

492
00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:30.000
whole thing was news to them. When they saw them.

493
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.000
They're like, oh okay, they're like, yeah, we we don't know.

494
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:38.160
My goodness. Has there been a time where.

495
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:40.480
You have.

496
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:47.440
I guess where you've either submitted something or received something

497
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.440
and and it got you really nervous and you're like,

498
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:54.559
there's probably gonna be consequences now that I have this information,

499
00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:56.880
Like there's gonna be kickback front, or there's gonna be

500
00:26:56.920 --> 00:26:59.079
pushed back from some something.

501
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.440
Yeah, I think there's a couple, a couple that kind

502
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:07.079
of put me in that whole thing, a recent one

503
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:10.400
that it wasn't in the book, but maybe we can

504
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.880
talk about it the end because that one is still

505
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.880
kind of an ongoing thing. But yeah, but you know,

506
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.279
there has been a few where it kind of scares me,

507
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:20.759
the ones that's the stuff that's in Texas, because I'm

508
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.160
I'm here in Texas and that's kind of not, you know,

509
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:27.079
too far to reach for some people. For me, the

510
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.720
most interesting stuff, it's it's one of the more interesting cases.

511
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.240
I call it in the book. It's called like the

512
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:40.400
Bigfoot sighting spree because in twenty nineteen in Santa Fe, Texas,

513
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:44.039
which is on East Texas, there was a just a

514
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:47.599
huge number of nine to one one calls made people

515
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:52.240
on social media all saying that there was this wild

516
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:56.480
ape on the loose and it was it kind of

517
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.240
just blew up and it was nothing had really been

518
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.079
shown as far as like did this happen? We don't know.

519
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:04.720
It was all just kind of hearsay. So when I

520
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.119
heard about it, did the foyer request and the stuff

521
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:10.680
I got back. I have the reports from all these

522
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.519
you know, from the sightings that happened. I really wish

523
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:14.880
I would have been able to get the nine to

524
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:16.759
one one phone calls. I tried to get the nine

525
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:18.799
to one one phone calls, but after I think it

526
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:23.519
was ninety days, they destroyed them, which I mean, it's

527
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.319
just terrible because we're losing so much information just hearing

528
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.319
what these people are describing. People had visuals of this thing.

529
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:32.759
A woman said it was digging through her trash cans

530
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.799
that had long arms. It was during like a thunderstorm.

531
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:37.319
She got a good look at it. She was one

532
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.440
of the first people to call, and I have that

533
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:43.119
call in the book. All the reports are amazing. They

534
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:47.599
had a drone in the air, they had dogs out

535
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:50.079
and they can't They never found anything. They have no

536
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.400
idea what this thing was. The sheriff had to put

537
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:54.680
out a thing saying, if you see a chimpanzee on

538
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.160
the loose, don't approach it. They had people from out

539
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.839
of state coming in. It was a big, big deal.

540
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.279
But I think the most interesting part about this is

541
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.000
that everyone was reporting, but it was a wild ape

542
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.680
that it was attacking people, and I was kind of like,

543
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.559
I didn't see that in any of the reports. None

544
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:13.680
of the reports mentioned attacking aggressive, none of that stuff

545
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:16.920
until I got the email. I got an internal email

546
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:19.599
from a county clerk there where she was kind of

547
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.720
talking to a friend that didn't work for the county,

548
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:25.200
and she says, there's a five foot ape on the

549
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.279
loose attacking people in Santa Fe. She never thought that

550
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.599
was going to be released, but that's kind of confirmation

551
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.799
from a source there. And I mean, I tried looking

552
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.359
for what she was talking about, but it was never mentioned.

553
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:42.200
So and I'm kind of thinking, like, were those reports,

554
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.039
like were they just omitting that stuff? Why didn't they

555
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.079
include that? Were they trying to keep people from like

556
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.200
hysteria or something? What was going on here? There was

557
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.200
a lot of questions I had about that because they

558
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.240
really didn't want to give me that stuff. At first.

559
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:56.799
It was kind of a battle. I had to send

560
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.759
like three or four emails. One of these got kicked

561
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:04.400
up the Attorney General of Texas and it got denied.

562
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.039
That got denied, and they didn't want to give me

563
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:09.319
any more information after that. So all I have is

564
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.759
this one email, And to me, it's just it's really

565
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.720
mind blowing and I've talked about this before and people

566
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.359
have reached out to me from Santa Fe And that's

567
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.680
just really wild to me because I've heard at least

568
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:27.079
three different explanations to what this thing was. Someone told

569
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:28.839
me that it was like a hat. Someone had it

570
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.640
like a chicken farm. I couldn't really find any information

571
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.880
on that. Someone else told me that it was a

572
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.759
mother and like a young one. Because people had been

573
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.079
well at least the police were trying to make it

574
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.640
sound like it was smaller than it was. Some people

575
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.319
were saying it was a capuchin monkey, I'll say some

576
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.680
people the authorities were saying it was a capuchin monkey.

577
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:51.519
Everybody they got eyes on this thing. We're saying it

578
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.359
was an ape. And when you say ape, I think

579
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.000
you know, you're thinking something big, chimpanzee, you know whatever.

580
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.519
And it even says that in the in the documentation,

581
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.240
it goes from the first report is a suspicious animal

582
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.240
and that it evolves into a suspicious person. So that

583
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.640
goes to show you something a little bit bigger out there.

584
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.519
They're talking about hearing ape howls. They're talking about hearing,

585
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.920
you know, howling things like an ape would do. And

586
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.759
one of the most intriguing people to come forward and

587
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:24.599
talk to me from that area. That was a man

588
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.480
and he told me this, and I can only kind

589
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.559
of go on his word, but he had said that

590
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:32.680
it was his son and a friend that had gone

591
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:36.440
out dove hunting and they had seen this ape in

592
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.480
a tree. They saw it and they shot at it,

593
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:42.440
and it jumped out of the tree and scratched one

594
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.440
of the kids in the faces. And that is where

595
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.519
the aggressive ape came from. That's what he told me.

596
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.680
That's where the whole attacking child or whatever, that's where

597
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.640
it came from. These guys out there dove hunting, they

598
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.319
found this thing, And to be honest with you, he

599
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.319
had a lot of knowledge about some of this area.

600
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.400
I mean, maybe that's just because he lived there, or

601
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:04.599
it sounded like he had a lot of nols from

602
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:06.720
the police reports. This is before I made a public

603
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:11.240
and published the book, So it was interesting. A lot

604
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.680
of people were seeing this, the news reports. The news

605
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:15.960
had been out there on location. While they're out there

606
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.519
talking about this, a truck drives by and goes, hey,

607
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:21.039
we just saw it over there. Like they're just saying that,

608
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:24.759
like there's there's a news clip it's out there. It's

609
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:26.480
on my channel too. I did a whole little video

610
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.119
about it. But to me, this is one of the

611
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.079
more interesting reports because recently we had these monkeys that

612
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.119
has that that truck that flipped over, some monkeys escaped.

613
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.000
We heard about this. Everyone knows this, and we know

614
00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:41.160
what type of monkeys they were, we know how many

615
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.440
there were, we know what happened to them. Why don't

616
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:45.880
we have that sort of documentation for this type of incident.

617
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:47.960
We don't have anything. We don't know where this thing

618
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:51.440
came from, what it was, where it went. They just

619
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.680
just like vanished and it went from like a national

620
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:57.319
thing to where the sheriff had to get involved to

621
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.920
just quiet after that radio silence.

622
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:07.160
It's incredible. You are still one hundred percent focusing on bigfootfolios.

623
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.799
Correct, I'm focusing on big foot stuff, but I received

624
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:16.680
some other documents from other areas that of kind of

625
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:20.240
the same subject, cryptid and stuff like that, But I'm

626
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.920
generally focusing on bigfoot sasquatch stuff.

627
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:28.880
Yeah, there was, and I don't know if this was

628
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.640
just on TikTok, but it was on YouTube as well. Actually, Okay,

629
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:34.519
And I'm just curious if you have any thoughts about it.

630
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.240
Have you heard the nine one one call for North

631
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:42.079
Carolina with the it's like something that jumps into the

632
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:42.680
ice truck.

633
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.599
I did hear this, and I called them to see

634
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.000
if I coul get a copy of that, and they

635
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.759
told me that there were like sixty people wanting that also,

636
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.000
so I would have to wait in line. I was like, Oh,

637
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:54.559
that's cool, they'll put it out when they get it.

638
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.559
So yeah, they were multiple people working trying to get

639
00:33:58.720 --> 00:33:59.559
more stuff from that.

640
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.000
Oh my goodness.

641
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:03.480
Yeah, so that should be coming out soon, if not

642
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.480
very soon, because that wasn't that long ago. It was

643
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:07.880
a couple of months back. Yeah.

644
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.280
Oh, you're saying like the whole call.

645
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.079
Yeah, there apparently there are people. There's at least, as

646
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.000
she said, there were like sixty people that had submitted

647
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.880
records request to get all that information. So we'll be

648
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.079
seeing that soon, I'm sure.

649
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.440
I was thinking about, you know, think other other things

650
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:28.920
you've done in the past, and I think one of

651
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:35.880
one of the other fascinating ones is it was it

652
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.039
it was a park ranger and you couldn't get the

653
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:42.920
information because there was a hippa issue, right, like he

654
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:44.960
got hurt or something in some way.

655
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.480
Well, we don't really know about that. I mean, that's

656
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.719
probably one of the most interesting reports I've ever received.

657
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.360
It is from the National Park Service and it's the

658
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.800
only bigfoot sighting ever released bigfoot sighting report ever released

659
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:02.599
by the National Parks and it clearly states in there,

660
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:04.559
hey group of people who are out here they saw

661
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.280
bigfoot or they said they saw bigfoot and a bunch

662
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.239
of bone piles. It says that in the document. The

663
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:12.920
other thing it says right at the top of the

664
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:15.440
document there's a bunch of redactions, of course, is that

665
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.239
it says this report has not been approved by a supervisor,

666
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.639
which I've never seen that before. I have the badge

667
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:26.960
numbers redacted. The ranger's name is redacted. It shouldn't be.

668
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.360
We should have all that information. And all we have

669
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.159
is an incident's summary report. It's just like three sentences.

670
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:36.760
We should have like a full on report time everything.

671
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.920
We don't even know how this report came in. We

672
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:40.599
don't know if it was a phone call, email. We

673
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:43.559
have no information on that. So it kind of makes

674
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.840
you wonder how what was going on here. The email

675
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.880
I got in correspondence with the report was basically saying, hey,

676
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.159
the only reason there is an incident's summary report is

677
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.119
because that ranger that was assigned to that they were

678
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.480
medically incapacitated to go to that area. So once they

679
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.559
say medic incapacitated all that type of stuff, it becomes

680
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:04.719
a hip BA exemption and we're not going to get

681
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.960
any information after that. But some people have speculated because

682
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.519
there's no much you know, we don't have the email

683
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.039
or anything. Was it the ranger that had made that

684
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:16.400
report in the first place. Is that why their name

685
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.679
is redacted? Because they were the witness where they medically

686
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:24.800
incapacitated by the bigfoot. They were bone piles there. They

687
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:30.320
were reporting bone piles, and you would think a bigfoot attack,

688
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:36.039
documented bigfoot attack might be kind of far fetched. I

689
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.559
have a whole chapter in here called bigfoot attack reports.

690
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.280
There's at least two documents, one from Michigan, another from

691
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:47.599
Alaska I believe, or Washington, I believe, and the one

692
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.599
from Ohio. It's basically a guy who's in a jeep

693
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.159
in a kind of like a recreational tree farm or

694
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.800
something like. That's midnight and he's calling the police saying, hey,

695
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.000
I need you guys to get out of here. I

696
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.719
hear bigfoot again, and he says again, and you're like,

697
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.320
what's going on here? He had to be medically evacuated

698
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.320
to the hospital, and what happens at the hospital. It's

699
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.320
a hippo exemption. That's the end of that. We're not

700
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.719
going to get any more information to that. So that

701
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:18.719
was really interesting, and it's like, I don't understand the

702
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:22.239
again part with that one. That's really weird. No explanation

703
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.320
for that. And when I put that out there, a

704
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:26.840
lot of people from Michigan started hitting me up saying like,

705
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.760
oh my god, I've heard so much about that area,

706
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.440
and it was really cool getting that response from people

707
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.159
in that community. So apparently there's quite a bit of

708
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.719
activity where this person called nine one one having to

709
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:43.239
be evacuated saying he heard bigfoot. I mean, that's a

710
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.000
documented fact right there, that happened. This guy had to

711
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:50.039
be evacuated. That's not the only time people had to

712
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:53.000
be evacuated for something like this. I also talked about

713
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.840
in the book the twenty twenty four Casachi National Forest incident,

714
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.800
where this group of teenagers had to be evacuated from

715
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.920
the area because they had seen something over five foot

716
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.400
tall on two feet with what they said was glowing

717
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:08.760
red eyes, and it was at least seven kids out there.

718
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.880
They all had to be evacuated. Now, I submitted that's

719
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.039
a national forest, Kasactui National Forest. I submitted a four

720
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.559
yr request to the National Forest Service saying, hey, what

721
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:21.880
do you guys have on this incident? Absolutely nothing. They

722
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:25.079
had no information about this, which is kind of concerning

723
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.719
when you think like a group of kids had to

724
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:31.039
be evacuated out of there. The sheriff, the natotote of

725
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.920
sheriffs were the ones who responded to this phone call.

726
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.719
Because the kids couldn't get a hold of any ranger

727
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.960
or anything like that, and I believe Kasachi even tried

728
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.760
getting hold of them. They couldn't make any contact. So

729
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:45.440
it's like, what's going on here? Why don't you guys

730
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:49.559
have any documentation for that? And I recently went out

731
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.079
to that area and it's going to be featured in

732
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.800
my next documentary. We actually went to the GPS coordinates

733
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:00.320
from the report and it was just I almost die

734
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.199
going out there. I mean, it's just like Steep, it's rocky.

735
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.119
They were honestly like my pants. I took jeans out there.

736
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.159
They were ripped to shreds. It's in the documentary. They're

737
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:15.119
completely shredded. It was about two miles, a brutal two

738
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.960
miles to get to where they were, and man, I

739
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.920
got to tell you, if there's anything in that area,

740
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.079
it's going to be in Kassasian National for us. It's

741
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:29.639
just a giant playground with swamps and stuff that. I mean,

742
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.920
we went two miles in and my clothes were ripped

743
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.920
to shreds. You know, it's there's no way anybody's gonna

744
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.320
be able to explore that full park. You know, there's

745
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.119
absolutely no way. But we went to the GPS coordinates.

746
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.559
I believe we were at the campsite. I found a

747
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.800
can that was there kind of like in that area,

748
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.119
so I want to say that that was kind of

749
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.320
that area where they were at. And while I was

750
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:56.639
out there filming for the documentary, that wasn't far from

751
00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:00.599
another report that I had received from Harrison County, Texas,

752
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:04.159
where a man had called because he says, hey, I

753
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.480
got bigfoot on my game camera, and I have that

754
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:09.760
nine to one to one phone call. He calls in saying,

755
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.159
you know there's something on my game camera. I think

756
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:13.840
it's big for it. Can you guys come take a

757
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.440
look at it. I have that full report. I went

758
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.280
out there and I spoke to this gentleman, which is

759
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.280
really awesome. At first, he was like, I don't want

760
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.519
to talk about it because they kind of disrespected him

761
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:27.920
a little bit. To his face. They were being really

762
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.280
nice and stuff, but when they put him on hold,

763
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.519
you can kind of hear some laughing or whatnot taking

764
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.639
place behind the scenes, and so I had to kind

765
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.880
of coax him to do this interview. Went to his location.

766
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.599
Kind of surprised him a little bit, but that might

767
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.880
have helped him kind of getting in the mood for

768
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.960
this interview or whatever. And he broke it down to me.

769
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:51.400
He basically said why he called the response from the

770
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:54.159
game Boarden because he was transferred from the sheriff to

771
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:56.880
the game Boarden. He told me what the game Boarden says.

772
00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:01.719
He told me what happened to those cameras, their reaction,

773
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.559
and it's to me, it's really fascinating. I got his

774
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.400
opinion on what he thinks this is, and I think

775
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:13.920
people are really going to be kind of shocked at

776
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.639
what he says in this interview because he doesn't really

777
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.760
hold a lot of punches. He was mad about how

778
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.079
he was treated because he wanted it this taken seriously.

779
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.440
And again he just kind of breaks it down like

780
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.320
a report wouldn't be able to do. He gives me

781
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.000
all that information and it was really awesome. So that's

782
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.719
going to be coming up in my next my next

783
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:33.599
project here.

784
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.840
Okay, And so these will both be released then on

785
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:42.360
your the Harry Man Road YouTube channel. Yeah you got it, okay.

786
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:47.000
Which there's some fantastic stuff on there already. Uh you know,

787
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.599
I'll have the link link for that. And you you've

788
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:55.039
done some really good documentaries also on your area Texas

789
00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:00.119
Bigfoot related ones and other Bigfoot Foya related ones as well,

790
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.840
some really good stuff on that channel. So I'm excited

791
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.880
to see those other ones come out just as well.

792
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.639
So I asked something like this a few years ago.

793
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.360
I don't know, maybe I don't know how long, maybe

794
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.320
two years. I didn't check, but feels like forever. But

795
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:22.079
in case, people haven't heard that one and they might

796
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.360
be totally different. Now, can you spend a few minutes

797
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:31.440
giving us kind of how does a person go about

798
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.039
doing a foyer request? Let's say, if they're like oh, man,

799
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:37.840
I think that something happened in this certain area of

800
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.880
Oregon around this certain date. I just I heard something

801
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:48.199
that this certain ranger station, et cetera. Is what kind

802
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.719
of things do they need to be able to do

803
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:52.239
to do that?

804
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.280
I think the most important thing is dates. If you

805
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.559
have some dates, that's really going to be the most

806
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:02.199
important thing. Some townes or agencies are a lot easier

807
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.519
to work with than others. There are some people that

808
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.840
it's it's honestly, it's not authorized. I don't think it's legal.

809
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.239
But some areas are like, if you don't fill out

810
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.079
this seven page form, it's not considered a four yer request.

811
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.039
And at that point it's it's you don't you can't

812
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:19.880
narrow things down to that effect because you don't have

813
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.360
all that information. You just have dates and stuff, and

814
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:24.519
they're like they want to know who is involved and

815
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.559
all this specific stuff. But some areas, some agencies and

816
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.360
counties and sheriff's offices, a date is sufficient if you

817
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:36.159
have a date, maybe with some other information. Some just

818
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:42.519
keywords like you know, rangers saw this, or or a

819
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.400
name of the town or something to that effect. All

820
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.920
that stuff helps. Any keywords you can find any any

821
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.559
dates that are relevant, and if you have a name

822
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.760
of someone that came forward and said something, obviously that's

823
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:59.199
probably gonna be your best bet it. There's also other

824
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.880
things you can do. I've done before, and I wouldn't

825
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:03.920
recommend it, but it is effective, as you can just

826
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.320
ask for all their emails on an email server from

827
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.880
this year, and I've done that before and I've gotten

828
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:13.800
like a couple of things out of it, but it's

829
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.440
like weeks of combing through through emails and stuff. A

830
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:19.280
I might be able to help you now with AI,

831
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:23.840
but still that's one way to go about it. But again,

832
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:25.760
the best thing you have, Like for me, I had

833
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.480
heard about like the ape incidents in Santa Fe, Texas.

834
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.159
I had the dates for that, and I basically said, hey,

835
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.239
give me all the police reports you have from this

836
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:39.199
date to this day. And so it was a small town,

837
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.119
so that was all the police reports they had, and

838
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:43.280
it was all from the monkey incident. There were six

839
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:45.119
of them, come to figure, there were six of them.

840
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:48.639
That's kind of a lot. But again, dates are probably

841
00:44:48.679 --> 00:44:51.679
the most important thing. If you've heard about something, if

842
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.760
you've seen it in the news, you might have even

843
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.400
a little bitter luck because in some of these four

844
00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:00.000
year requests you can actually like attach clips, like news clips.

845
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.159
It's like this is from this is from or whatever,

846
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.559
so that that helps a lot too. And I've done

847
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.119
that for the Santa Fe stuff because they were kind

848
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:08.880
of acting like, we don't know what you're talking about,

849
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.639
and I'm like, there were like eighty news stages out

850
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.039
there covering this. What are you talking about? You obviously

851
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.280
know about it. So I had to go a little

852
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:18.199
bit back and forth. I attached some of those reports

853
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.719
like oh that okay, Yeah, we'll send you what we got.

854
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:22.960
So it's it's it's funny.

855
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:27.559
And the other thing is there could be a monetary

856
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.119
cost to having them do this, and usually they'll tell

857
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:33.159
you up front, right is that still the case?

858
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.400
That is the case, and it really it's terrible because

859
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.920
it should be free. All this stuff should be public information.

860
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.360
It should be free. But the book that I wrote,

861
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.559
it costs me about six hundred dollars to get all

862
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:48.159
these reports, which is just kind of crazy. But yeah,

863
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.519
you've I've had to pay, and normally they will tell

864
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.320
you upfront costs, costs for you know, page or whatever.

865
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:58.199
So it's always good to have that information, but it's

866
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.119
not cheap. Some of this stuff is not cheap, and

867
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:01.639
I've had stuff that I've had to put on the

868
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.239
back burner because I don't have the money for it.

869
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.320
I just don't like some of the mammoth k bigfoot

870
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.719
shooting stuff. I did a for you on that, and

871
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.599
at first I kind of had made up my mind

872
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:12.119
about that, but I kind of want to go back

873
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.559
because there are two videos that were taking body camera

874
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.079
videos from the police and they were they wanted like

875
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.000
six thousand dollars for each one of those, and I

876
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.960
was like, that's that's not gonna happen. Florida has so

877
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.320
many bigfoot emails it's unbelievable, and they wanted just a

878
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.320
crazy amount. They're like, I'm not even gonna give you

879
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.599
a number, like it's going to be astronomical. You're not

880
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:36.639
gonna be able to afford it. So I had just

881
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.800
been doing small things at a time. I'm like, give

882
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.760
me two hundred and it would be like three hundred bucks.

883
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:43.840
Like give me fifty, it'd be like one hundred bucks.

884
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.960
You know. So there's a lot of there's a lot

885
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:51.800
of stuff out there, and surprisingly there's a lot of

886
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:56.480
stuff out there. There's police reports, there's photos, there's nine

887
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:58.320
to one to one phone calls. It's out there to

888
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.960
find it really is. And I'm really surprised that I

889
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.639
haven't seen anybody in the Bigfoot community kind of submitting

890
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.960
full your request or anything to that extent. I've seen

891
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.159
some people doing, you know, talking to talking about forest

892
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:17.159
rangers and their experiences. You hear that a lot, but

893
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.480
finding documentation. I mean, I've only found one piece of

894
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:25.360
documentation and that's from the National Park Service, and and

895
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:27.679
I'm sure there's more out there. I'm sure there's more.

896
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:35.960
Yeah, No one is, definitely, I guess, publicly doing the

897
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.760
amount of work that you are doing. No one even

898
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.920
even comes close from what I know. I know Micah

899
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.800
Hanks has done. I remember I heard him speak at

900
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.920
cryptidkon a few years ago, and he has definitely gotten

901
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:54.760
some stuff. But I mean, you are doing a whole

902
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.400
another level of work, and the things that you're getting back,

903
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.599
I mean, there's nothing that comes close to this for sure,

904
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:07.199
and I would think it'd be important to mention you. Still,

905
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:15.519
you have like a a Patreon membership where people can

906
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:20.000
join that and then you'll be posting you post stuff

907
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:26.679
up there, you know. Yeah, but it's a way to

908
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:30.079
pretty much to support this work in order to continue.

909
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.679
And I mean that's just to get I mean you

910
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.239
mentioned everything from a few hundred dollars to those bodycam

911
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:40.960
videos six thousand. That's wild, you know.

912
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.599
Yeah, No, like you said everything, that's all the funding

913
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.000
for the book, everything, haven't. I have a normal job,

914
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.559
and I love that job. It's great. This is just

915
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:52.960
what I do kind of as a hobby, as a

916
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.559
side thing, and it's unfortunately it costs so much money

917
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.920
to do that. But again, I'm trying to better the community,

918
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.119
trying to help as much as I can. I'm not

919
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:04.480
really like a track or anything. I have a background

920
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:08.800
in you know, public relations in it, and so I

921
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:11.000
just wanted to utilize what I've kind of done before.

922
00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.039
And and yeah, I've luckily I've had some success with it,

923
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.719
and and I want to keep digging and hopefully, you know,

924
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.960
we'll find some stuff with well, I've already found some

925
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:22.440
stuff that I wasn't able to fit in the book.

926
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.519
So again, I'm probably gonna have to do maybe a

927
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:27.480
series of books here with the stuff that I've accumulated.

928
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:32.639
Yeah, I hope. So now you had mentioned a few

929
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.719
minutes ago that there might be something that you could

930
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:39.239
you could share at the end or near the end

931
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:39.920
of the interview.

932
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:44.159
Yeah, I think we can talk about that now. It

933
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.000
was an email I had sent whereas a four year

934
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:50.880
request I had done for an area in Washington, and

935
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:55.960
I had I wanted to get their information because I

936
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.239
had heard about some stuff going on over there. So

937
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:01.039
I did the FOLLY request and it came back and

938
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:02.559
it was a bunch of results. It was kind of

939
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.119
one of those email server things, but I had a

940
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.199
time span, so I was able to narrow it down

941
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:09.679
a little bit. So I got this stuff back and

942
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:12.639
while I'm digging through it, I see one and it's like, well,

943
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:17.079
unidentified bone. This is their title for unidentified bone. So

944
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:18.800
I opened it up and I looked through it, and

945
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.840
basically it's an email of a woman saying, Hey, this

946
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.760
person I know just passed away and I've inherited their

947
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:32.559
entire bone collection. And this person who I inherited from

948
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.960
their biologists and they're very educated and and we have

949
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.280
this one bone. We don't know what it is. This

950
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:43.039
email was sent to a university. It got intercepted by

951
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:48.039
a sheriff's office, and the sheriff's office is basically saying like, oh,

952
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:50.519
we might want to take a look at that. There

953
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:53.079
was so they the woman actually had attached the picture

954
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.800
sent to the university, and again it was kind of intercepted.

955
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:01.679
The picture is very interesting, it's well. In the email,

956
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:04.679
it basically says she mentioned saying, Hey, we don't know

957
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.880
what this is. Could it be a baby? Bigfoot? Says

958
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.559
that in the email. And I'm gonna be doing a

959
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:13.000
video about this, showing the email and stuff like that,

960
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:16.079
because it's just it's wild. There is a photo of

961
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:20.719
the jawbone. It's an actual jaw bone, a mandible. It's small,

962
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:25.280
but it's incredibly thick. It's very thick dense. And so

963
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:30.400
I had sent it to a someone who's works with bones,

964
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.679
I'll say that on a regular basis, and they looked

965
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:34.400
at it and they were like, I've never seen anything

966
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.000
like this before. And they sent me a pamphlet of

967
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:42.920
stuff that was just like why it's not a human bone?

968
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.000
And I thought that was really interesting. The teeth, the

969
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:50.159
arrangement of the teeth looks very different. The holes there's

970
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.679
there's not there's the amount of teeth isn't correct for

971
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:56.519
something a human child or whatever. Again, the thickness is

972
00:51:56.599 --> 00:52:00.159
just way too thick. And so I had a lot

973
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.639
of questions after that. I had got that identification or

974
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.320
whatever from the person I had sent it to, and

975
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.239
I need some more help. I wanted to get a

976
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.519
second opinion. And I'm pretty good friends with mister Doug Hicheck. Doug.

977
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:15.800
He's a great guy. So I had reached out to

978
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.480
Doug and he just kind of contacted me right away, saying, hey,

979
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.519
I know a couple of people. This is amazing. We'll

980
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.119
get to work on this. And he actually did a

981
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:29.159
rendering of the bone, the jawbone with teeth, and it

982
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:34.679
looked very interesting, very interesting. So he has two anthropologists,

983
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.400
I believe looking at that now, I have not told

984
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.480
Doug this part. Here, I'm going to tell you. I

985
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:45.960
had just gotten another batch of emails in and there's

986
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.559
a continuation to this email thread, because what happened was,

987
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:50.920
like I said, it was intercepted by the Sheriff's office,

988
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:53.320
and the sheriff's office basically saying hey, we want to

989
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.760
take a look at this, and the person never responds,

990
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.760
and it's a couple of days, and the email chain

991
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:02.119
starts between people in their office and they're basically saying, hey,

992
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.639
this woman's not being cooperative. You know, we need to

993
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.760
do something about that. And it's basically saying like hey,

994
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.039
they sent another email saying, hey, there's consequence into this

995
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:13.159
if you don't bring this up here, like this is

996
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:14.840
not like you got to bring this up here and

997
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.960
show us. And so finally she responds saying like, oh, sorry,

998
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:19.800
I've been so busy, I haven't had a chance to

999
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.679
or whatever, and their other internal emails saying like she's

1000
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.119
afraid of the person who owned this or the owner,

1001
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.039
like she's it's kind of shadowy a little bit like

1002
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.599
she's it sounds like she's I don't know. I don't

1003
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.239
want to say she's hiding something, but it felt a

1004
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:37.760
little a little weird there. And so so what happens

1005
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.800
is the last email I received from this chain that

1006
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.599
I just got it basically says that this was a

1007
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.599
folly request I did to Washington. Everything happened in Washington. Okay,

1008
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.920
they flew out to Alaska to pick up this bone.

1009
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:55.800
I have no idea how that works, Like, is that

1010
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.079
not out of like their jurisdiction? Or anything like that.

1011
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.920
I would say, so I would, right.

1012
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:05.039
So it's documented saying well, at first it says hey,

1013
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:08.039
right before that it says the person who collected this

1014
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:10.719
bone is a by all, this very intelligent person. They

1015
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:12.800
know what they're looking at, or something to that effect.

1016
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.480
Like it didn't say that, but it's like this person

1017
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.159
would have known it was a human or if it was,

1018
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.039
you know, an animal, because it was a bone collection

1019
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.159
and he picked this out for a very certain reason

1020
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:28.599
and it was found in the Pacific Northwest. And again

1021
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:31.079
I have no idea how they were able a Washington

1022
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.199
Sheriff's office was able to fly out to Alaska and

1023
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:38.519
pick up this jaw. No idea, but it's in their

1024
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.599
possession now and that's the last we've heard about it.

1025
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:42.760
That is it.

1026
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:46.039
The Washington Sheriff's Office has this.

1027
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:51.039
They have that all this happened in twenty eleven.

1028
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:58.519
Okay, gotcha. So so I don't know what I would

1029
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.239
do in your situation, because it's one of those things

1030
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:06.360
where it's like there's the line where your journalist but

1031
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:10.480
then it's like, okay, how how far do I do

1032
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.199
I get involved with this? Do I call out the

1033
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:17.119
Sheriff's office and and get in the story myself and

1034
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:19.760
try to figure it out, like you know.

1035
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.559
Yeah, and it's kind of you know, it's like they're like,

1036
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.159
I'm scared to know what they're gonna say, Like, why

1037
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:28.360
are you interested in a bone? It was in a

1038
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:31.599
skull from twenty eleven? Were you involved? You know, even

1039
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:33.440
though it was probably like a teenager at that time,

1040
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.960
but but yeah, I don't know. It's uh, they were

1041
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.519
they really wanted this. And again they mentioned like, hey,

1042
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.320
there's criminal consequences if you don't bring this to us,

1043
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:45.119
and they went to get it. So it's just wild

1044
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:49.440
like they wanted this bad And hopefully I need to

1045
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:51.679
reach out to Doug with this new information. I haven't

1046
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.760
told him, but he's got his people looking at it.

1047
00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:57.559
And yeah, I mean, this is one of a few

1048
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.960
things that I received in weeks since my book had

1049
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:06.360
come out. This and another internal email that it's a

1050
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:10.800
it's a park ranger, it's a park manager, the manager

1051
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:14.559
of the park, basically sending another email to a person saying, Hey,

1052
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.039
I'm out here looking for bigfoot. I know they exist.

1053
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.880
This is the manager of a park, like sending this

1054
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:23.320
email to Ackrol he was hunting bigfoot in that park,

1055
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.199
and he's like, I know they exist, like they're here.

1056
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:26.840
Like yeah, So.

1057
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.440
Obviously we can't get into specifics about the park, but

1058
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:35.599
can you say if it was like a national park

1059
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:41.800
or anything like that. It's a state park, state park, Okay, interesting, Wow,

1060
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.159
I can think of many state parks that would fit.

1061
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:48.239
Yeah, it's a state park. And I was really blown

1062
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:50.119
away just by how forward they were. They were just

1063
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:52.320
putting it out there like I'm looking for it, says

1064
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.159
I'm looking for bigfoot, like it's here, Like it's pretty wild.

1065
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:59.719
My goodness. Has anyone reached out to you after you've

1066
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:03.079
really this book and and been like, hey, you know what.

1067
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:06.920
I've also gotten things from Foyer requests as well. Have

1068
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.559
you gotten any of those contacts yet?

1069
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.239
I haven't had anybody with that, but I've had people

1070
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.960
reach out to me with tips, got other things that

1071
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.480
were happening and stuff that I've I should foy your

1072
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:18.559
requests and I've done a few of them. So that

1073
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:21.239
was a couple of weeks ago. So I have some

1074
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.280
stuff from Maine. People from Maine reached out to me

1075
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.800
with some really interesting information and I hadn't done anything

1076
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:29.159
in Maine before. So I sent that out recently and

1077
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:32.199
I agreed to their how much it would cost and

1078
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:35.360
all that stuff. So they have something and I'll be

1079
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:39.000
getting it here soon. Whether it's any it's any substance,

1080
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:41.119
we'll see, but they're gonna send me some stuff. So

1081
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:42.840
and it's from this tip.

1082
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:49.880
Yeah, just fascinating stuff. Eric, you are doing some incredible

1083
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.719
work that is really making a difference in the community.

1084
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:59.159
I can't I can't imagine, like you know, hopefully you

1085
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.039
keep doing this for years to come and what will

1086
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.519
come up in the future from this, And it hats

1087
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.880
off to you keep doing what you're doing. And you know,

1088
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:13.880
I'm gonna people listeners, please check this book out for yourself.

1089
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:15.880
It is a thing where you can hear us talking

1090
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:18.800
about it, but when you actually read through it, you

1091
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:21.360
see the pages for yourself and you're like, oh man,

1092
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:24.159
this is wild. It's it's all over the place when

1093
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:26.360
you know where to look. So check that out. I'll

1094
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:29.679
have the link in the show notes. But is there

1095
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.519
any other any other things you would want people to

1096
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.519
know about how to keep up to date with what

1097
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:36.480
you're doing, Eric.

1098
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.679
Oh no, just you know, please reach out to me.

1099
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.840
My my you can check out my YouTube channel, Harryman Road.

1100
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:45.559
If you're interested in seeing the documents that we talked

1101
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.079
about tonight or whatever, you can you can check them out.

1102
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.440
They're in the book there. It's hard data. This is

1103
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:56.400
documentation with Bigfoot named in there. Like it's irrefutable. It's

1104
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.440
in there. We've it's it's data. It's hard data, but

1105
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:01.639
it's been out there for a long time. We just

1106
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:02.400
got to look for it.

1107
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:06.360
It's stuff. Well man, thank you again for coming on

1108
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.199
the show, and we will definitely be keep in touch

1109
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.320
with you and seeing what comes up in the future.

1110
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:14.599
But thanks again, Eric.

1111
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:16.519
Oh, thank you man, it's been my pleasure.

1112
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:21.480
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1113
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:24.760
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1114
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:28.519
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1115
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.400
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1116
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:34.719
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1117
00:59:34.719 --> 00:59:37.719
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

1118
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:41.039
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

1119
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:44.679
the FBI a federal agency or working intelligence and you

1120
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.880
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about, and

1121
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:51.280
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

1122
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:54.639
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1123
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:59.000
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1124
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:02.159
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1125
01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:05.639
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1126
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:09.559
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1127
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:12.960
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1128
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:15.960
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1129
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.480
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1130
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.280
or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or

1131
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.679
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1132
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.480
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1133
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:36.800
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1134
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:39.679
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1135
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:45.599
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1136
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:49.880
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1137
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.760
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1138
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