Nov. 8, 2025

Dr. Simeon Hein — Dark Matter Monsters, Bigfoot Science & the Electromagnetic Paranormal

Dr. Simeon Hein — Dark Matter Monsters, Bigfoot Science & the Electromagnetic Paranormal
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Season 1

In this mind-bending episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Dr. Simeon Hein — author of Dark Matter Monsters — to explore the bridge between science and the unexplained.



Simeon dives deep into how Bigfoot, UFOs/UAPs, and other paranormal encountersmay connect through dark matter physics, electromagnetic fields, and resonant energy phenomena. Discover how eyewitness reports, environmental changes, and even “the hitchhiker effect” could reveal hidden scientific truths behind mysterious creatures and high-strangeness events.



🎙️ Topics Discussed:



  • What are Dark Matter Monsters and how do they relate to Bigfoot sightings?

  • The physics of electromagnetic anomalies and environmental distortion during encounters

  • Links between Bigfoot and UFO/UAP phenomena

  • The “hitchhiker effect” and how paranormal experiences can change perception

  • Why mainstream science struggles to study unexplained events

  • Simeon's background in remote viewing and resonant sensing

  • Real-world witness patterns that point toward deeper universal laws

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You're listening to Big for the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the.

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Voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us.

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I Big the Society. I've got the privilege of talking

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to doctor Simeon Hein today. Simeon is an individual that

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I was able to meet at the twenty twenty five

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Sasquat Summerfest in Oakridge, Oregon, which is awesome to meet

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him in person. A little bit about Simeon before we

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get started. He's an author, researcher, musician, and lecturer who

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focuses on the physics and sociology of bigfoot, UFOs, remote viewing,

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and other non ordinary electro magnetic phenomena, and his books

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and more can be found on his website which is

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Simeonheine dot com and I have that linked down in

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the show notes. But welcome to the show, Simeon.

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How are you doing today, Sir Heydre Remiah, thanks a lot,

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Thanks for having me here today.

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This is so cool to be able to talk to

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you about your work, your interview to also plug flash

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of beauty. Guys, your two part interview was very instrumental

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in helping me work through a lot of things that

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I've experienced over the years and realizing that hey, it's

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really not a lot of people are experiencing things. Here's

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probably the reason why. And it's very cool you've got

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It's such an interesting book. It delves into the phenomena

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of bigfoot, UFO other things and puts the lens of

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fringe science onto it and maybe explaining.

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Why we are where we are.

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Let's say, if a person was to pick up your

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book Dark Matter Monsters and there's a big foot right

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on the cover. Yeah, yeah, which is oh man, we're

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talking about critis, we're talking about ball lightning and the

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science of secret life forms, which is fantastic. But if

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you're just to meet someone in the street and you're

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talking as you do you mentioned in the book I'm

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talking to people that are around Colorado. How do you

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present what a dark matter monster is.

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That's a good question. And I like to listen to

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people's stories the way they tell them, just like you

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do on this podcast, and I just will tell people

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what I do, and if people have had experiences that

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seem unexplainable, out of the ordinary on the edge, I

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like to listen to hear what they have to say.

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So I'm not trying to convert people that are not

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inherently interested in the topic. I'm attempting to talk to

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people that have had experience sometime in their life, or

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had a relative who had an experience, or a close

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friend or someone they really trust and they know is

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telling the truth something that's stuck at the back of

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their mind their whole lives that just doesn't fit the

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version of reality that we grew up in from our

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school system in Western culture, and I like to ask

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them about it and hear what they have to say,

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and that's how I can introduce my ideas about what

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may explain some of that. Going up now, going back

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to your question, if I'm talking to someone and they

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just don't have any interest in anything related to what

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we call the paranormal. It's going to be a very

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short conversation, but surprisingly, Jeremiah, a lot of people have

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had some sort of experience with what we call the

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paranormal somewhere. And when I'm getting my haircut or something

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like this and the hairdresser ask me what I do.

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Most of the time people say, I'm fascinated by this subject.

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I love Bigfoot, I love UFO shows. What do you

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think is really going on? Then we're gonna have a conversation.

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Are there things that you listen for in conversations like

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that really set off the Let's say, I know I

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do this when I'm talking to people. They set off

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the bells in my head and I'm like, oh, okay,

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here we go. Are there certain, let's say, phrases that

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you're listening for when you're talking to these individuals.

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Yeah, I'm listening and I'm looking at body language because

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having been involved with remote viewing what I call resonant

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viewing resonance sensy. It's something that as the monitor watching

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the viewer do their session, certain types of body language

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that repeats over and over again micro movements. We call

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them it's a subconscious body language. They're people that probably

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specialize this, that work for the FBI in law enforcement,

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attempting to tell if people are giving them a true

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story or not. And it's that type of body language

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that I can see where the person seems to be

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reliving their experience to some degree as they tell it

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to you. Again, I think you know what I'm talking about.

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You're going to hear it in the types of witnesses

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that you talk to, and it spans the range of

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paranormal phenomena. I'm including bigfoot encryptids in that category. Just

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whether you believe it's just a pure flesh and blood

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again to Epithecus Blackie, or something that has other dimensional

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aspects to it, it's still within our culture, fits in

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with that range of phenomena that is outside the ordinary

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set of belief systems that we're taught about. And so

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when people talk about these experiences, there is a degree

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of trauma and a degree of feeling insecure or unsafe

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telling the story to other people. And so that's what

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I can see, and that's what gets my interest going.

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Is that to me is an indicator of validity of ritical.

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We call it a ritical type of evidence, there's some

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verifiable aspect to it. If we hypothetically we could verify this,

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if we had been there or had other means we

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could have seen and observed using the types of im

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that we accept in science and law, that the something

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really happened to this person. They are not just making

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this up fantasizing imagining, which I'm not saying that those

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types of experiences aren't real in their own way. But

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what we want is experience, is that we can agree

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upon what happened, and we've got that with this type

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of topic in space. In fact, I'm really surprised by

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how similar people's experiences are with a lot of these phenomena,

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and that's what motivated me to write Dark Matter Monsters

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is I kept hearing the same sorts of features and

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characteristics of the environment of these encounters with Bigfoot, with

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orbs and related phenomena, and I could see these patterns.

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It led me to believe that the similarities of these

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experiences Jeremiah even debunkers pick up on this consistency of experience,

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but they use it to say humans all have the

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same type of brains, the brains creating the same sort

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of illusion that's really I think it's a cop out

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explanation actually, because you could say that about anything. To me,

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it indicates they are dealing with a similar type of

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phenomena wherever they are on the globe, and that's the

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sort of thing that I look.

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For that makes perfect sense. I did experience that for

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the first time out in Oakridge in twenty twenty four,

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because that's when I was really for the first time

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talking to people face to face, and the unitice things

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like the person really doesn't want to be there anymore.

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They get very uncomfortable, they're yes, like they're reliving it.

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You've got goosebumps on their skin, of their arms, maybe

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their eyes are kind of change like maybe dilating the

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very very interesting. But you mentioned that you started to

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notice patterns that would come up and maybe these are

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they would be referred to as maybe paranormal related. But

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would you be able to go through a few of

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these patterns that you started to notice that perhaps could

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be explained by science.

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Yes, one of them. I think one of the major

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characteristics here is this sudden feeling of the environment changing

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from something that doesn't feel hospitable or friendly or conducive

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it's a feeling that something's not right. It verges on

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being a premonition, just a feeling. It could be in

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the forest or even in a non forested area of

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a change where it seems like sound doesn't propagate the

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same way. Colors start to look a little darker, they

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lose the kind of variety of hues that were used

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to when we see color. Things shift towards the darker

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end of the visual spectrum. And there are these temperature changes.

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People describe it like a sudden stillness that seems to

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come over the area that even affects insects. And so

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you begin to wonder whether there is some sort of

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change to the structure of the environment that is affecting

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how electromagnetic waves and sound propagate through who ordinary mediums

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were used to mainly air, right, How what is going

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on that the entire range of our senses is shifted

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by the presence of these creatures or even in other

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types of situations with other types of phenomena, but you

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get the same sort of effect. Is that sounds seem different,

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the color seemed different, the temperature changes, usually it gets colder,

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and so it just goes even on a sunny day,

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you get this gut feeling like you should turn around

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and lead. And I've heard this from people that never

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even saw anything, but they said it affected their pets too,

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the pets which were normally fearless dogs. I have one

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of these myself, These types of dogs that don't seem

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afraid of anything, all of a sudden are coming back

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to you, hiding behind you or running under the car,

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something that's really unusual for them. Now, you could make

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the argument, Jeremiah, if you're just like a cut and

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dry biologist, that this is just an ordinary response to

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a predator being in the area. But the reason I

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don't think that explanation completely explains it is because of

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these other physical characteristics that change in the environment that

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you normally don't see around ordinary mammals. Everyone probably listening

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has been to the zoo at some point. You don't

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see these things happening at the zoo. You don't see

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your camera start to fail, batteries draining stuff like this,

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the electromagnetic fits. You don't see that around ordinary mammals,

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just using a zoo as a good kind of environment here,

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but you do get it around bigfoot encounters and related phenomena.

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So that's what you're looking for, and in science, that's

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the gold standard here is replicability, Isn't that What we're

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told is that repeatability. Replicability is one of the key

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features of what we considered to be modern science, is

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that different people could reproduce the same effect in a

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different setting, and that consistency is so strong around Bigfoot encryptids.

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It led me to in the direction of saying, it's

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not just fring science we're talking about. We're talking about

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an entirely different type of electro magnetism. Then we're used

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to ban reg because it affects devices too. You can

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talk to researchers to say their car batteries were affected,

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multiple batteries were affected at the same time in the

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same parking lot when I got back to their cars

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devices and so forth. So the fact that it can

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affect for the most skeptical people, you could say, the

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fact that affects electronic devices, which are usually so reliable,

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work in so many different circumstances and ranges of temperatures,

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integrated circuits and semiconductors, the fact that those are affected

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by what we're told is even if you accept just

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the idea, Okay, Bigfoot does exist, but it's just a

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rare North American would ape How would do you explain

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how it just a rare mammal if that's all Bigfoot is,

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would affect electronics? That just simply doesn't make sense from

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any sort of conventional explanation. And that's how you end

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up in the direction that I did with my writings

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in my research.

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And so absolutely, and I think something I took away

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from the book that was just fascinating because I'm not

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super versed in the uf side as well or UAP side,

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and how there are similarities between witnesses and experiencers on

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that side and on the big Foot side as well.

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But I wasn't aware of all the experiences where witnesses

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on that side or who get in close proximity will

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have really powerful physical ailments happen, or maybe things that

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could be like directed radiation or things like that.

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No, that's fascinating aspect of it, isn't it. You would

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not think there would be this parallel between UFOs what

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we now call UAP and Bigfoot. I remember going to

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Bigfoot UFO conferences before I was interested in Bigfoot, and

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you would have like one bigfoot presenter per conference, So

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I got exposed to it that way, and it was

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so fascinating that there was even some overlap between what

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would seem to be completely unrelated objects. But if you

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go back to what the witnesses say, and this goes

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back to the research of Stan Gordon from Pennsylvania, going

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back when he started as a phone answering kid for

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a UFO group in Pittsburgh after school UFO group, back

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to nineteen fifty nine, he said. When I asked him

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about it, he said them he started just fielding calls

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about UFOs, But the bigfoot encounters were there just five

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or six years later. Starting in the sixties, before the

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Patterson Gimlin film, people were reporting bigfoot around UFOs. And

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I don't blame people for thinking, how are these possibly related?

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It seems like a real stretch, going from space aliens

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to woodapes. But what it's telling you, the data are

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telling you, is that your preconceptions about it are way

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too limited, that there's something bigger going on that may

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not easily fit in any of your mental categories. But

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that's what the witnesses, some of them, say they experience.

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You only have to read Stan Gordon's books A Silent Invasion,

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Creepy Cryptids, and watch some of his presentations, and you'll

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see that this sometimes happens where people see bigfoot, experience

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them in and around their homes or wherever they are,

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and also see orbs or just full fledged UFOs in

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the same area, either at the exact same time or

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around the same time period, again suggesting that both bigfoot

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in UFOs have something to do with another type of reality,

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another version of our own reality, a pocket that that's

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the way I think of it, within our reality, or

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maybe we're in the pocket, but it's something to do

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with our reality that we haven't really looked at very much.

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But again, has that repeatability and those same sorts of

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characteristics that you just mentioned. Now, this sudden sort of

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fear that people experience is in and of itself, really

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fascinating because the witnesses I've talked to have described it

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in terms that you just used a few minutes ago

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when you asked me the question, which is it seems

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like a projected fear. It's a little different than that

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foreboding sense that people have before an encounter. This is

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a very strong feeling of dread and terror that people

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have told me they knew was not coming from withinside them,

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like it was being projected by the creature from the outside,

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because it turned off again like a light switch when

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the creature left, So they had these extreme levels of terror, panic,

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and fear. Some people describe it as the most terrifying

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feeling they've ever felt in their lives, and feeling of

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real dread, like you're about to be dinner feeling, and

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then it just vanishes really quickly. And so I'm not

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saying that this is all it is, but people have

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described it to me as something that's being projected onto them,

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almost like a type of electromagnetic or sonic weaponry from

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the creatures. And then people also sometimes get this and

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not always around UFOs and so forth, or alleged extraterrestrials

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and lifeforms like that. So the question is it something

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and it's deliberate on the part of the Bigfoot, or

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is it a byproduct of their particular sort of in

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the loosest sense of the word frequency, It could be

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either or both.

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Listeners, this conversation is just going to be the surface

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of it. You will really have to dig into the

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book to get the whole story. But this is just

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going to be a really fun conversation. Do you think

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that you mentioned or maybe alluded to it, that there's

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something else going on, maybe some kind of multiverse, or

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do you think there could be different parts of the

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US that or maybe window areas or areas of high

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strangeness that's concentrated.

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having said that, it does seem to spread out over

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the whole US, because there are no states without Bigfoot sightings.

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I was surprised even to find spending some time recently

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back in New York where I grew up looking on

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the BFRO database sightings in Westchester County where I grew

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up as a kid, which is just north of New

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York City, and then talking to people just a few

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weeks ago there and getting information about witnesses who saw

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tree structures and creatures standing at the edge of forest

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lines just outside of Suburbia, major metropolitan area, and even

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some reports right there, just twenty miles north of New

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York City. It seems to be. And that's just my

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personal case. You hear about cases on Cape cod and

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then Fila coming off from Massachusetts, where I used to

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spend time when I was a kid with my family

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having growing up on the East coast, says, you wouldn't

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expect bigfoot just because you don't have a lot of

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forest cover there the things that we expect to be

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essential to bigfoot habitat. Maybe that's mythology. Maybe they don't

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need those forests, and it's something that we're creating because

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of our association of it being like an ape or

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something like this. But if they're docing top pocket areas.

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I gave us talk about this to the Snippy twenty

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five conference near Alamosa in Colorado. If people want to

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come to that next year, I am told it will

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be open to the public. It's been a private conference

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for the Ranch family for a few years, but that

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will be open next year Snippy twenty five. And the

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more research I did into these phenomena, the more it

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seemed and this is something we can go into it

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another time. Jeremid, I'm going to put up a video

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or some videos about it on my YouTube channel shortly

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about the geology of the planet creating electromagnetic anomaly areas

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from charge clusters electrically active materials like gilsonite that's beneath

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the u Into Basin in Utah, home of the Skinwalker

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Ranch and Alamosa San Luis Valley, the silica materials that

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naturally gather static charges, which from my perspective, coming from

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this perspective that I talk about in Dark Manner Monsters,

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and I have talked about in A Flash of Beauty

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Paranormal Bigfoot, the second Flash of Beauty movie that's available

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online for people to watch, that there is this component

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to these phenomena that have to do with what we

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call coherent matter, a type of matter past plasmas, and

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this sort of gets to why we see these orbs

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and ball lightning and what we call mobile luminous objects

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anomalous light phenomena around all these different types of paranormal experiences,

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including people say they experience it around bigfoot Sasquatch Native

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Americans talked about this. So it does seem to be

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related to charge clusters condensed static electricity, something that science

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doesn't understand very well, and it seems to be related

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to certain areas, So there is an overlap there, and

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it would suggest that going back to your question.

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Is it a parallel reality or is it like multiverse

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or and this is where I'm going with my next

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YouTube video about the work of Ken Shoulders, who studied

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exotic vacuum objects charge clusters what he at one time

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called electra electromagnetic vortex vortices, vortex energy evs electron vortex.

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Structures, later called them evos. That this creates certain changes

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in the sort of electromagnetic structure of the area, which

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is conducive to other types of phenomena electronics phenomena, and

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Shoulder says life forms, electronic life forms that operate different

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types of physics, constants that were not normally used to

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so jeremi, I just answer your question. He suggests that

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it's within our reality. It's not something I've studied extensively.

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Parallel realities. Whoever at the third in the fifties creating

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this many World's interpretation of m WI Many worlds interpretation

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of quantum mechanics, and there are other versions of that

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talk about parallel realities, and I think those exist, but

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because they're paralleled, they don't often have much of an

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influence on our reality. What Shoulders is talking about is

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within our visual world, there's a dark world. He calls

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it a world of black organizations with ghostly properties. And

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he's not trying to be spooky there. He's actually talking

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from experimental research into charge clusters which he could see

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how a dark state and even had different like different

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speeds of light compared to what we're used to, which

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gets back to what we see around UFOs, UAP why

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they seem shifted into the blue spectrum and so forth,

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And this has been seen around Bigfoot. If you read

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the witness accounts, you'll see that people experience them sometimes

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with a blue glow around their bodies, which suggest to

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me that they are fifting into the blue spectrum of

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visual light from changes to what we call permittivity permeability,

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the dielectric constant and magnetic constants that usually are fixed.

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They certainly don't oscillate very much. Each substance has a

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slightly different permeability and permititivity. But if they're oscillating and

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they're active, they would make things seem blurry to our eyes.

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And that checks a big box right there, doesn't it.

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Geremany was how many times have we heard the photos

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turned out blurry? Right? How come the photos of UFOs

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are all blurry? And now that we have AI in

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advanced video photographic editing and all this. How come it's

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so sharp but it used to be? Why is it

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so blurry? And why are all the photos of Bigfoot blurry? Right?

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And all these cryptids they never quite they don't look

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quite right. And if you've looked at a lot of

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ghost photographs that people have taken, there's this blurriness to it, right,

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which leads to the skeptics to say it's an artifact

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of the camera lens and so forth. But the explanation

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from condensed matter physics is that blurrness is caused by

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what's called oscillating permittivity the dielectric constant. In other words,

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instead of being fixed like we're used to in the

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devices we're using right now to communicate and the materials

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around us, it could be fluctuating, which would mean to

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cameras and our eyes, our eyes too, it isn't going

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to look like it's in focus. And that's a really

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big one right there, because if you can explain the

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blurriness with this type of a discussion we're having here

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based on readily accepted physics, just the physics that people

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haven't looked at very much because it's outside the norm,

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then you really explained a lot, because so much of

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what we call paranormal seems to be blurry and have

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this often a blue tinge to it. And yet there

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are good I'm not saying this isn't necessarily correct, but

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there are good reasons why you see that, and people

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have seen it in the lab around low energy nuclear reaction,

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coherent energy transformations and so forth. And I suspect Jeremiah

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that this is the stuff of classified government research too,

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because doctor hal put Off, who we knew from the

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Remote Viewing program at Stanford, but also has admitted to

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being the lead scientist on boss APP program later known

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as a tip from the Department of Defense, the Department

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of Defense UFO research program. According to James Lakatski and

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his book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, how put Off has

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said publicly a couple of times, I've been there at

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one of these lectures. One of them was in Las

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Vegas in twenty eighteen at a joint meeting of the

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Society for Scientific Exploration and International Remote Viewing Association, both

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of whom I've been a member of these organizations a

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long time. Been to a line means so Howe gets

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up there and tells us that what they suspect is

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going on is that these craft can manipulate permittivity with

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meta materials that act like waveguides and effectively change their

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speed of light relative to us, which would cause each

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of them and us to be in different frames of

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reference in a sense, but yet together at the same time.

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Now Shoulders calls that. He says, these are objects that

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don't completely couple into our ordinary description of reality because

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their permittivity is different, their speed of light is increased

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by the way. For those people are thinking, wait, speed

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of light's fixed, right, this is what we were taught.

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Einstein himself wrote two papers about variable speed of light

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in nineteen I believe there's nineteen oh seven and nineteen eleven.

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Around that time, nineteen oh nine, he argued there could

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be a veriable speed of light based on mass affecting

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the speed of light as it moves through the universe

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and stars and so forth. So he even made an

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argument for it, though he didn't really push that because

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it was enough just to go with his theories of relativity.

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Was enough for him just to publicize and write about

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it at the time. But he said it could be variable,

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and that's what Hawle told us they think is going on.

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I'm saying the ASoP eight to programs and whatever it's

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called now. And this is formally classified research. So if

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this doesn't sound totally familiar, people, it's not your fault.

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This has been hidden from us because the government felt

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that it was it could reveal too many national security

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secrets to talk about it publicly. So that's as far

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as we got when Hall told us that, And he

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talked about one type of material business magnetium and so forth,

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layered waveguide materials that they didn't think was manufactured here

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on Earth. That's just another subject, but it does relate

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back to Bigfoot because you get some of these same

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anomalous blurry effects around day Foot. And one more thing, Jeremiah,

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is that even Stan Gordon wrote about his witnesses, mostly

459
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:31.119
in western Pennsylvania, all those townships in southwestern Pennsylvania south

460
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.799
east of the Pittsburgh area, west east of Pittsburgh, people

461
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:41.480
describe the creatures looking blurry to their eyes, not even

462
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.839
with the camera. They just said it looked blurry. And

463
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:47.519
this isn't just been it's these different accounts you read

464
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.160
about and hear people talk about they said the creatures

465
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:54.000
looked blurry, and then there are other cases where the

466
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:58.039
creatures looked partly invisible right like you could only see

467
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.480
him from the waist up. And there are other cases

468
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:05.240
where people only saw huge legs and nothing above the waste.

469
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.360
You've heard these encounters if you've listened to this in

470
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:12.480
a different podcast, Huge legs out there but nobody. And

471
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:16.880
then Stan Gordon takes the cake here with some creatures

472
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.480
I'm not even sure what type of creatures we're talking

473
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:22.199
about here, if it's a bigfoot or not, where there

474
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.639
were like striped invisibility, like parts were visible and parts

475
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:32.360
were transparent, and that's okay. So that checks so many

476
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.639
boxes right there. Using this sort of idea that I'm

477
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.840
talking to you about, permittivity, permeability, basic magnetic electa constant,

478
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:46.000
that's what again led me in the direction of thinking

479
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:48.960
that there's an electromagnetic aspect to all of this. It's

480
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.400
pretty important that hasn't been studied. It hasn't been studied

481
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:58.239
a lot because even bigfoot researchers, whatever that means, mainstream

482
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:02.079
bigfoot researchers, if there is just say yeah, exactly, yeah,

483
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.199
So you often hear people say, we want science to

484
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.280
accept us, so we don't want UFOs in our database.

485
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:12.039
We know anything in weird. We just want the just

486
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.159
the facts, man. But that's what the facts are. Is

487
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:17.039
that it looks blurry some of the time, and other

488
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:21.039
things like that. There's this tendency to want to normalize

489
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.639
the subject. And I kind of laugh when I hear

490
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.920
this front researchers who believe that if they sanitize bigfoot,

491
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:34.280
it'll be more acceptable to the mainstream and then maybe

492
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.840
they'll get funding. I understand the logic. I even heard

493
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.880
Jeff Meldrum say this in the interview Jeff, who we

494
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.159
all miss and who's a big researcher, very important in

495
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:47.039
getting bigfoot on the map. But even in one of

496
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.039
these interviews I heard is part of what these sort

497
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.559
of podcast memorials to him. And I never met him,

498
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.440
but I heard a lot about him and so forth.

499
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.039
I watched his presentations and so forth. But he even

500
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.559
said just stick to and I'm not trying to criticize him,

501
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.239
but he said to new researchers, oh, just stick to

502
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.079
mainstream stuff until you get ten years, until you're full professor.

503
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:16.079
All that stuff, and this is not right. You're creating

504
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:26.119
scientific falsehoods for funding, for acceptability, for career stability, and

505
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.960
I am sorry, but when you do that, you're selling out.

506
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.360
That's just how Simeon looks at it. And I'm not

507
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.880
trying to criticize other academics. I've been there. I come

508
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:40.400
from a family of academics. I know that you have

509
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.000
to play the game like in any other job, but

510
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.800
if you do it too much, you're not telling the

511
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.639
truth anymore. And that's what happened with the Bigfoot subject matter,

512
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.199
is you have these academics who are just saying, look,

513
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:57.000
it's real. And I was right downstairs from Grover Krantz

514
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:01.039
at WSU. He's right for me in the eighties. I

515
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.000
never met him, but I had a friend who hung

516
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.599
out with him a lot, who was older than me,

517
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.280
who could afford to do that, And so I wasn't

518
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.880
a subject matter that was on my radar, even though

519
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.079
the first ever Bigfoot conference, I'm told in the US

520
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.960
one of the first was at WSU in nineteen eighty nine,

521
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.960
and I didn't even know about it. It wasn't on

522
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.159
my radar back then. But Grover Kranz was really near

523
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.079
close by people like Grover and Jeff and others paid

524
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:30.480
a big price for arguing that Bigfoot was real. Just

525
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.119
on the John Dinnerdegel too from Canada. Right, these people

526
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:40.760
really put their effort into they've all three passed on now.

527
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:43.880
They put so much of their career on the line

528
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:51.159
just to say that Bigfoot was real from evidence footprints,

529
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:57.800
hair samples, vocalization, and they had that evidence in spades,

530
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.519
and they couldn't get anyone to pay attention to them

531
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:05.079
for the most part, right ignored hostility and so forth.

532
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.119
You can they all three of them talked about this,

533
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.440
and so I get that just to argue that Bigfoot

534
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.199
was real might lead you in the direction and say, look,

535
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.920
we don't want to talk about the weird, spooky, wooky stuff,

536
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:23.079
right what people call the woo, because we want science

537
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.960
to accept it. I say, to heck with that. Let's

538
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.119
just go with the evidence, let the chips fall where

539
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:33.039
they will, absolutely and let's honor the witnesses who've had

540
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:35.239
the courage to come forward and tell us their story,

541
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:38.079
which is not always easy because they have to relive

542
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.639
the experience, they relive the trauma. Yet so I say,

543
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:47.440
the heck with science accepting it. Science didn't accept electromagnetism.

544
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:52.960
They didn't accept Maxwell or James Faraday. In the day,

545
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.480
those guys were miserable. If you read their writings, they

546
00:38:56.480 --> 00:39:00.880
were considered to be weirdos believe in things that were

547
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.920
not visible. Let go that it is a temperature. Imponderables

548
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.320
they were called. They were not considered real. Anyone who's

549
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.599
ever gone off in a new direction gets a lot

550
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.760
of hostility from those who just want to count how

551
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.639
many angels are head of a pit okay, because they

552
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:27.519
want to stick with just sophistry and metaphysical arguments, while

553
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.559
data driven people who are dealing with experiments like Faraday

554
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:35.519
and Maxwell want to explain reality, and they're not popular

555
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.360
with the older guard who want to stick with things

556
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:43.760
that can't be disproved. So this is what bigfoot researchers

557
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:48.800
have encountered. But look, this is what the witnesses tell us.

558
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:52.679
They're saying. And in my field, Jeremiah, in sociology, it's

559
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:58.280
a cardinal sin to omit data of Oh absolutely, that's this, yes, yes,

560
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.920
you know what I'm talking about. It's that is the

561
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.039
strength of sociology. People make fun of sociology because it's

562
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.159
not one of the hard sciences, but it has it's

563
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.800
a softer science. But there's benefits to that, which is

564
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.360
you're told from day one you are not here to

565
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:19.039
edit what the witnesses tell you. It's true in anthropology too,

566
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:23.079
with participant observation. You're not there to decide what's real

567
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.880
and what's not. You're there to listen to what people

568
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.960
are telling you and to make sense of it over

569
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:35.719
a period of time without you judging what they're saying. Otherwise,

570
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:40.920
you're introducing bias into the scientific process, and that's what

571
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:42.199
we had happened with Bigfoot.

572
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:45.679
You're introducing it's one of the sad things. It's just

573
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.199
a sad commentary, but you hear it and you see

574
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.519
it a lot, and it's something I had to make

575
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.840
a decision on a few years ago. Is Okay, I'm

576
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:56.800
starting to get these weird accounts. What am I going

577
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:58.519
to do? Am I going to bury it? Or am

578
00:40:58.559 --> 00:40:59.760
I going to let it out there? And I was like,

579
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:03.480
you know what, they are experiencing something. It needs to

580
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.519
get out there. So that's what I decided, and I've

581
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:06.119
gone with it.

582
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:07.119
Oh good for you.

583
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.840
It's I think it's a huge decision that everyone needs

584
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.360
to make on their own. But really, if one of

585
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.400
the things I took away from your book is it

586
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.480
almost seems like, let's say we're focusing on Bigfoot, is

587
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:23.079
that they have maybe access to things that we don't

588
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:27.639
have in our understanding of science. They have access to

589
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:31.360
maybe or I guess dark matter to put it a

590
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:36.760
certain way, and that's such a I think it's for me.

591
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.440
It's a hard thing to put across. But is there

592
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.159
any way that it's able to be boiled down into

593
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:47.400
a conversation that takes place on a podcast which it's

594
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:48.960
just you're skimming the surface.

595
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:57.840
Yes, I think there is, Jeremiah. Everyone is familiar with

596
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:05.320
these little ultra cleaning devices that clean jewelry that you

597
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:09.480
can get on Amazon for like thirty bucks. Ultrasonic. If

598
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:15.000
anyone ever used like an ultrasonic toothbrush or had a

599
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.280
cleaning at the dentist where they used one of those

600
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:19.960
little tools that creates a little fat, doesn't hurt it

601
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:23.519
just very fast vibration that goes between your teeth. Using

602
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:29.679
sound to clean something, that is, when you put it

603
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:35.719
into liquids, it creates something called cavitation. This is a

604
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:40.840
really interesting subject. It's using ultrasonic frequencies to create little

605
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:47.840
bubbles in liquids, and when those bubbles collapse, they produce

606
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:54.199
a tremendous amount of energy that's called cavitation, and they

607
00:42:54.280 --> 00:43:00.320
seem to produce excess heat. And it's another way to

608
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:06.039
generate what's called lenar low energy nuclear reactions charge clusters

609
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:11.559
the way I mentioned ken shoulders before he created charge

610
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:17.800
clusters on metals and so forth with solid state electronics,

611
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:20.639
little microball lightnings as he called them. There are a

612
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.639
lot of different ways to do that, but other researchers

613
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:30.239
have used water and created use sound ultrasonic energy to

614
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:35.639
generate cavitation, which is, if you increase it enough, seems

615
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:41.559
to tap in to some sort of quantum level bonding

616
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:47.800
of molecules. And when they disassociate and come apart and

617
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:52.000
they come back together again, the little bubbles collapse, they

618
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:56.519
seem to create more heat than it uses initially to

619
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:58.800
create the bubble in the first place, which is called

620
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:04.679
excess heat. And when you start doing that, you get

621
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:12.159
all sorts of interesting transmutation going on that changes elements

622
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:18.039
from one type of element on the periodic chart into

623
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:24.360
another element. What's called alchemy or nucleonic transmutation, and one

624
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:30.880
way to do it is through high frequency sound. And

625
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:37.000
there there is evidence that once you've started to generate

626
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:44.039
this process, it can create a number of exotic nucleonic

627
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:51.360
quantum interactions involving neutrinos, anti neutrinos and so forth. And

628
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:53.840
people that are interested in this topic what used to

629
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:57.599
be called cold fusion, are interested in creating a chain

630
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:02.000
reaction whereby you take that excess heat and you put

631
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:05.920
it back into the reactor, into the experiment to create

632
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:10.639
an infinite loop of energy. And that is where the

633
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:18.159
belief and the evidence goes in the direction the debate about weather, ColdFusion,

634
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:24.000
and low energy nuclear reaction, coherent energy transformations as it's

635
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.880
now called. Is that real or not? Can you create

636
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.679
excess heat? And once you have that xcess heat, could

637
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:34.079
you feed that back in to a device or something

638
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.360
to keep it sustaining itself for long, long periods of

639
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.320
time and create very inexpensive energy. And you've heard this

640
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:47.320
discussion before. That is where this gets into the discussion

641
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.079
of dark matter, because there's some types of dark matter.

642
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.719
We've identified some types of it. People often say it's

643
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:58.800
a theoretical debate, but there is evidence for relic nutrinos.

644
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.599
You can just look on Wikipedia of all places for

645
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:08.159
cosmic background radiation, and there's strong indirect evidence for small

646
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:10.440
percentage of what we call dark matter one or two

647
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:18.280
percent to be neutrino background radiation from the cosmos from

648
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.480
big birth of the universe events billions of years ago.

649
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:26.559
They're still coming. They're still around, these little particles from

650
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:32.119
that time period, and they have gravitational effects and they

651
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.519
seem to be involved in some of these cold fusion

652
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.960
lenar reactions, and that's from the work of doctor Alexander

653
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.679
Parkamov in Russia and other researchers, and so that's one

654
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:49.280
way that these relic neutrinos seem to act like catalysts

655
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:54.000
to spur reactions on. And they're also all of the

656
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.800
same frequency and temperature because they were created at the

657
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:00.119
same time in the universe, and that's one type of

658
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.840
particle that could be involved in these sort of continuous

659
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:11.920
self looping types of energy reactions that I think some

660
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:16.639
types of organisms may take advantage of and use it

661
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.000
in a way that just helps them survive. In the

662
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:26.000
case of Bigfoot, there are number of ways in my

663
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:30.679
view that they could be generating these types of charge clusters,

664
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.360
one of which could be through cavitation. People have heard

665
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:40.960
them singing, making these very consistent humming sounds and so forth. Yes, yeah,

666
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:46.079
And I'm wondering whether they use sound to generate and

667
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:49.360
tap into this type of energy process that I'm talking about,

668
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:54.159
some sort of natural cavitation where they figured out how

669
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:57.199
to do this not in the laboratory, but right in

670
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:02.000
their bodies like they do everything else. They can generate

671
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:08.079
some sort of cavitation process and have access to types

672
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:13.480
of energy that we don't consciously realize we could access.

673
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.079
Because you talk to witnesses, they talk about this humming

674
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.360
sound around the Bigfoot. Yes, so you wonder whether they

675
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:28.559
have this natural technological ability from sound cavitation, which has

676
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:32.760
already been demonstrated in the lab. And it's something that

677
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:34.960
you don't want to turn up too much because it

678
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:41.320
can create It can create types of radiation, gamma radiation

679
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.639
and so forth, which isn't healthy to be around. I'm

680
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.840
not saying the Bigfoot are doing that, but at a

681
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.960
low level you could do it safely without the radiation.

682
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:56.360
And this it's a big subject, but there's an aspect

683
00:48:56.360 --> 00:49:02.000
of Bigfoot around gifting and their ability to morph and

684
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.159
change materials into other things. That people have talked about

685
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:10.400
occasionally even repairing things on the outside of their homes

686
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.039
that seemed irreparable.

687
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:18.639
Or even repairing people with their health. Yeah, which is that?

688
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.000
That just blows my mind. I don't even know how

689
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:22.320
to deal with that yet.

690
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:26.920
Harriet Myers has talked about that in others. Wow, healing

691
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:29.679
experiences around Bigfoot. We've heard a couple of these were

692
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:33.039
people who really seemed to have something really terminal were

693
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:37.519
healed because and they said that they heard these sounds

694
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:43.519
outside their tents the whole night. Oh. I don't have

695
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.400
the definitive answer to this. Is One way that we

696
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:53.039
can go from an animal mammal creature like Bigfoot, human,

697
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:58.920
ancient human, whatever they are, into sort of exotic physics

698
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.199
is through sound. Another way we can get there is

699
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:09.480
through hair. Hair can build up static charge. And if

700
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.599
one thing is pretty consistent across Bigfoot descriptions, it's the

701
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:16.880
amount of hair that they have, sometimes very long hair, right.

702
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:22.440
I don't think that's just for decoration. Again, it's like

703
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:29.159
nature doesn't waste anything, So they're walking along wherever they are,

704
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.239
whether it's in the forest or the deserts or the mountains.

705
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:38.719
They could be building up static charge which they store

706
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.480
through their very fine hairs. The type of hair they

707
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:48.000
have is a very fine type of hair, perfect for

708
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:52.960
creating static charges. And once you have static build up,

709
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:57.320
if you can create some charge separation and then recombine

710
00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:05.360
the charges in some way, you're creating charge clusters zy

711
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.639
vacuum objects, and these changes in permittivity that we were

712
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.159
talking about a few nits here. So those are two

713
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.280
ways that I could think of Bigfoot doing this naturally

714
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:20.320
biologically that doesn't even go beyond ordinary science. Absolutely, it's fascinating.

715
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:21.519
Thank you.

716
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.400
You were able to boil it down rather nicely in

717
00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:26.800
the way that people hear that. They're like, I want

718
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:28.840
to hear some more of that. Check out dark matter

719
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:34.639
monsters for sure. Now there's over the years when I've

720
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:39.000
noticed certain patterns in my interviews. I started to come

721
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.000
up with maybe a hypothesis of some sorts and something

722
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.559
that I've noticed, and I think your book might go

723
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.119
into it a bit as well. But what I've started

724
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:54.199
to notice is that when an individual will go into

725
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:58.920
an area that is extremely active and they have an

726
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:03.440
experience of some sort a lot of times afterwards, they

727
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:08.559
will start to almost unlock abilities or have things happen

728
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.400
everything from they might hear voices or start to have

729
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.559
things happen around their house. And some people call that

730
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:23.159
the hitchhiker effect. But does your research try to go

731
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.719
into that at all. What people experience when they're back

732
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.199
home and then weird things start to happen.

733
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:32.920
That is a I'm glad you brought that up here

734
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:36.000
in mind. That is a really interesting aspect of all

735
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:40.239
this because again, it's not just confined to Bigfoot experiences.

736
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.639
It's the same thing happens around people who've had UFO

737
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:52.159
sightings sometimes and visited some of these paranormal hotspot areas

738
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:55.000
and so forth. And yeah, it's been called the hitchhiker

739
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:59.760
effect that Caatsky talks about that in his books, a

740
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.920
type of like a medical contagion. You know, it's almost

741
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.239
like a virus, like an energetic virus you picked up

742
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:13.800
transported back home. I don't think it's literally a hitchhiker effect.

743
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:17.000
I don't think anything has attached itself to you. What's

744
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:20.960
happened is you've been exposed to another energy field with

745
00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:24.559
a different permittivity than what you're used to, and it's

746
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:28.440
caused some of your own permittivity to start oscillating a bit.

747
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.559
So the experience has changed you so that you're perceiving

748
00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:38.239
a wider range of frequencies than you did before the experience.

749
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:42.239
And now that you're perceiving a wider range of frequencies,

750
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:44.760
you're seeing more of what's out there that was there

751
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.159
the whole time, but you didn't interact with it or

752
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:52.159
see it before. Because this is something that's it goes

753
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:57.440
back to so many types of encounters, even people that

754
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:02.719
have encountered orbs in the road driving their car. There's

755
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:08.079
a case about this, the day case that Andrew Collins

756
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:12.440
writes about in his book I Think The New Circle

757
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:18.239
Makers or something starts off as a book about crop circles.

758
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:20.280
By the way, we saw some of these types of

759
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:24.360
effects around crop circle something I was involved in researching

760
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:31.480
since two nineteen ninety seven. And Collins talks about the

761
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.039
day family just encountering I forget the color of the orb,

762
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.719
whether it was bluish or something on the road on

763
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:43.920
the outskirts of London. They have missing time. When they

764
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.599
come back, a couple hours are missing. They drive home

765
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.320
and then they have these types of experiences around their homes,

766
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:57.280
see shadow people, hear voices, change their lifestyles in very

767
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:01.360
interesting ways, become very concerned about the ecology of the earth.

768
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:06.920
They quit smoking and drinking. Really a transformative effect. And

769
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:12.960
this often happens with Bigfoot experiencers too. And look, I'm

770
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:16.480
not claiming to completely explain all this, because it's really strange.

771
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:22.199
Sometimes people drive home from locations that seem far away

772
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:26.360
on the highway yet and the Bigfoot is back there

773
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.119
at their home the same night. They see them out

774
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:33.480
their window. The pets are starting to act strangely and stuff,

775
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:39.159
And it's just stretching your ability of what you could

776
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:44.599
believe if something was running all the way to get

777
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.679
back to where these people are. Not saying that's impossible,

778
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:51.760
but it does raise a lot of questions because yes,

779
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:57.639
people have this sort of experience, they see riptids back

780
00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:00.760
in their home. Now going to the extreme, like Lakatski

781
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:06.599
talks about in skin Walkers of the Pentagon, those researchers

782
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.800
from analysts as he calls them, from DA some of them,

783
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:18.000
as he says, battle hardened veterans of combat go out

784
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:23.039
to Skinwalker Ranch as part of the OFFSET program when

785
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:31.559
Big Low owned it, and they experience orbs and strange

786
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:35.119
creatures out there and so forth, UFOs. They go back

787
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:41.400
to their comfortable Maryland suburbs only to see cryptids. And

788
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:46.559
I think Lakatski's talking about dog men type cryptids back

789
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:51.119
in Maryland. That's pretty far away from Utah. You've ever

790
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:57.320
driven it. It's far away, So what is going on?

791
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.480
This is why Lakatski describes it like it can tagent

792
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:08.400
something that spreads it kind of medical analogy, because these

793
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:11.679
people were not talking to their families what they had

794
00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:16.639
been doing because us AT, I believe, was a special

795
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:19.599
access program. I don't think it was something that they

796
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:24.119
were at liberty to talk about. There was some classification involved.

797
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:28.199
And yet they claimed that their wives and kids started

798
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:34.440
seeing these dogment two in the backyards, and even the

799
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:39.199
friends of the kids started seeing them around. So that

800
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:45.079
would suggest that your frequency has been changed by being

801
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:49.800
out at Skinwalker Ranch. Your permativity or some aspect of

802
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:56.239
your the physics that makes up who you are has

803
00:57:56.320 --> 00:58:01.800
been changed, and now you're resonating in a different frequency

804
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:04.480
and you're affecting other people. So I could see why

805
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.360
they use that analogy. But I don't think it's literally

806
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:12.159
any entities attaching themselves to you. I think it's you've

807
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:17.880
had a new experience and it's changed your ability to

808
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.360
perceive and interact with what's already out there, and that

809
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:25.639
becomes this cold fusion analogy we were using a few

810
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.079
moments ago. Like with XS heat creating a self sustaining reaction,

811
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:36.199
it's like that, but with information, it's created a self

812
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:43.119
sustaining reaction that you're participating in. Two. That's my interpretation

813
00:58:43.199 --> 00:58:43.880
of Jeremi.

814
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.440
It's a really cool it really is. Do you think that?

815
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:51.559
And this is just me thinking out loud. There could

816
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:53.719
be no answer for this, but do you think that

817
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.360
change that happens to witnesses could be permanent for some

818
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:01.360
and for some others it just goes way eventually and

819
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:02.800
ya back to normal.

820
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:06.159
Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I think in many

821
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.119
cases it just goes back to normal. I know people

822
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:12.440
like this. I'll give you an example of this, okay,

823
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.559
and I have permission to talk about this story. I

824
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:19.159
had a friend from Arizona come visit me and Boulder

825
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.000
while I was working on Dark Matter Monsters. I was

826
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.840
literally putting the book together. We hadn't seen each other

827
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:27.039
in ten years. We used to do remote viewing together.

828
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:29.880
She just thought it'd be be fun to come and

829
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.280
visit and talk about the remote viewing, spend a whole

830
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:34.760
time together, hang out and talk about what we had

831
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:36.880
learned from our VW and go over our sessions and

832
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.079
things from the pastes. So I told her about writing

833
00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.000
the book. She wasn't a believer in bigfoot. She told

834
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:46.920
me later that she thought people like you and me

835
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:52.039
were like weirdos who believed in this stuff, that sort

836
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.239
of idea that we were just making this up. And

837
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:59.039
yet she went. She didn't tell me that at the time,

838
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:01.239
but she told me later. I didn't hear from her

839
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:05.599
for quite a while after she left, and then I

840
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:10.320
get a communication that she had big foot encounters around

841
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:19.239
her family's summer cabin in northeastern Arizona, in that area

842
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:24.920
Mangian Rib area, and it started to intensify. She started

843
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:27.840
seeing the tree structures, which she thought were just built

844
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:32.559
by boy scouts in the past. She took photos of them.

845
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.519
They were like the typical teepee structures with a lot

846
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:40.039
of sticks, and she heard the whooping sounds which she

847
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:43.440
had always attributed just to some forest sounds from animals,

848
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:46.239
even the smell, the kind of a wet dog smell

849
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:52.039
out the window. And this is in the forest, just

850
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.880
in a town at the edge of the forest. And

851
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:59.320
then it intensified and she went back one time, and

852
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:02.239
the way she described it was she was doing a

853
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:06.800
meditation and all of a sudden, the meditation felt too good,

854
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:12.039
it felt too strong, like something was helping her with

855
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.280
the meditation. She opened her eyes and saw a huge

856
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:19.320
sasquatch staring right at her through the picture window in

857
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:22.840
a crouch position. She said it was taller than she

858
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:26.920
was crouched squatting. It was five or six feet high,

859
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:30.960
and when it stood up, when they made eye contact it,

860
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:35.440
she said it was twelve feet or more. And it

861
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:39.239
was so terrifying for her that she just she felt

862
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:43.119
a whole range of emotions and feelings. And it was

863
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:46.639
this real strong eye contact that people described the witnesses

864
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:50.360
you have on the show and you're familiar with. It's

865
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.599
like you're not looking at an ape. You're looking at

866
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:56.159
a person with a kind of sense of mental cognition,

867
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:59.239
like they know what you are, you know what they are.

868
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.000
It's like cloking up person with a lot of hair,

869
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:06.360
and she it was such a mixture of terror and

870
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:12.239
wonder that she just fled into the car and didn't

871
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.079
even take her laptop, turn out the lights or lock

872
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:19.039
the door like in a movie. She just didn't know

873
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:21.199
what to do. So she went from being a total

874
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:25.280
non believer, and then she talks with me, this author

875
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:30.119
who's writing a book, then goes home and just state,

876
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:34.280
goes to the family's vacation place and starts seeing the

877
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.599
tree structures and hearing sounds, goes back and then has

878
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:42.039
this very close contact, maybe one hundred feet away, which

879
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:45.400
is so terrifying for she never goes back to the

880
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:52.960
cabin and they sell it. So I have always wondered, Yeah,

881
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:56.440
so that's the my world is just talking about it

882
01:02:56.480 --> 01:03:00.559
to people. Did it lead to the encounter? Did it

883
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:02.960
get her to be curious and now she's a little

884
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:07.840
more open minded. She did play around with their tree structures,

885
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:11.400
and I'm wondering whether that got them to come closer in.

886
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:16.079
But that is what we're talking about her how extreme

887
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:20.519
this can be. So is that a type of contagion effect?

888
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:24.599
We're just talking about it led to the I don't

889
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:26.920
know if we don't know the answer to these questions.

890
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:31.639
Another quick antidote, I had a friend who read the

891
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:35.719
book one of the first copies after they came off

892
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.719
the printing press, and she told me she had never

893
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:41.039
had very much interest in big book, but all of

894
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:44.360
a sudden, she started having very realistic dreams about them

895
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:48.159
after reading the book. So you could say if she

896
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:52.400
was just imagining thinking about it, or did it change

897
01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.360
her in some way to come in contact with the

898
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.480
subject and really read a book about it, and all

899
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:00.360
of a sudden her dreams change where they seem very

900
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:06.119
lucid like almost real. So those are just yeah, those

901
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:10.079
are just two examples right there where just talking about it,

902
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.719
thinking about it leads to either some very close encounters

903
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:16.480
or dream encounters. Jeremiah, it's a good question. We don't

904
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.800
totally know the answer. For some people it just goes

905
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:23.039
back to normal. Now, there are those people that never

906
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.960
want to think about it again because it was too scary.

907
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.519
I know those types of witnesses. They just don't want

908
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.360
to think about it. It scared them. They weren't believers.

909
01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:38.800
They encounter these creatures just on a nature walk and

910
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.760
just terrified them. So going back to your question, the

911
01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:50.800
weird things that happen around what about the mental telepasy. Okay,

912
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:55.480
that is a commonality with alleged extraterrestrials who that were

913
01:04:55.480 --> 01:05:01.360
in these craft uap UFOs and sasqua. You've heard this

914
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:04.559
time and again. We even heard it from Les Stroud,

915
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:10.199
remember his Survivorman Bigfoot series on YouTube. He just did

916
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.239
Survivor Man and then yeah, so he's I mean, he

917
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:15.239
was one of the early people that got me really

918
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.960
interested in the topic, just as he was just an

919
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.880
outdoors person, didn't really had no interest in the subject.

920
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:26.199
But here's something. During the filming monkey chat or something,

921
01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:30.440
gets curious and starts going to these hot spot places.

922
01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.519
And finally in the bonus episode, he goes out to

923
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:38.679
Portland area, Portland, Oregon, and he's out there, they see

924
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:44.320
orbs and he gets this telepathic contact, which he found disturbing.

925
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.320
It was so disturbing he said he went to a

926
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.400
psychiatric professional to make sure he wasn't cracking up. And

927
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.159
you've heard this before. People wonder what the heck that

928
01:05:55.400 --> 01:06:00.320
mind talk? So that is the type of thing. Going

929
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:03.119
back to the earlier part of our discussion here about

930
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:09.960
parallel realities, does it lead to some lead through of

931
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:13.119
is it a mechanical type thing where they can literally

932
01:06:13.239 --> 01:06:18.559
project some frequency into your brain that's a possibility like

933
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:23.400
the infrasound idea and so forth. Or is it like

934
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:29.800
they occupy another reality the way Ron Moorehead describes in

935
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:33.320
his encounters at the Sierra Camp, right, and there the

936
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:37.000
flash of beauty. People are coming out the crew. They're

937
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:40.400
producing a movie about the Sierra Sounds. They had a Kickstarter,

938
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:43.280
it was funded. They've been working on this for a

939
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.679
couple of years. They were out there in the Sierra

940
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.760
Nevadas filming and there is going to be an entire

941
01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:55.039
first documentary ever about the Sierra Camp, going back to

942
01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:58.519
the Johnson Brothers, even before Ron Moorehead was up there,

943
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:02.119
going back to the fifties. And I believe it was

944
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:04.000
the fifties because I've seen a little preview of it

945
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:08.320
and he yeah, people are familiar with Ron Moorehead the

946
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:11.440
Sierra Sounds, Right, it's a classic for those of us

947
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:14.400
interested in this subject. But if you talk to Ron,

948
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.280
he wasn't looking at physical creatures. He actually never saw them,

949
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:23.199
except I believe one time at a distance they were invisible.

950
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:29.760
So this is someone who's experienced them. I believe most

951
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.599
of his nine trips up to the Sierra Camp on horseback.

952
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:38.000
And yet he says you couldn't see them. You'd hear

953
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:41.840
the sounds. We've all heard the Sierra Camp recordings, right,

954
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:46.039
it's on YouTube, it's on the internet, right outside the

955
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:50.000
hunting structure. Oh, when I've talked to Ron, he said

956
01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.920
they should have cast shadows. We could have seen the

957
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:56.559
shadows in the cracks between the logs that were used

958
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:59.920
to make that hunting structure. And there were no shadows.

959
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:03.639
You pop your head out, you didn't see anything. Plus

960
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:08.599
the other weird sound phenomena they had inside the hunting structure,

961
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:14.039
sounds like gods and things like that over the structure.

962
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:18.399
Plus all the weird light phenomena in and around the

963
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:21.920
hunting structure, like one time you said there was something

964
01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:26.479
like a Star Wars like lightsaber moving through the forest.

965
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:30.680
So these all kind of go together. This is what

966
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:34.840
the witnesses tell us. The best witnesses, the Ron Mooreheads

967
01:08:34.880 --> 01:08:39.119
who brought up skeptics, deliberately brought up skeptics to try

968
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.279
to disprove what they were seeing up there, and the

969
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:44.439
skeptics said, no, it's real. We're seeing the same thing,

970
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:47.439
we're hearing the same thing. So these are people with

971
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:49.479
multiple encounters. And now we're going to have a film

972
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:54.520
about it documenting it apart from Ron's great books about it,

973
01:08:54.800 --> 01:09:00.560
Quantum Bigfoot and his first book about the Sierra Sounds themselves.

974
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:04.319
And this is what this is. What we have in

975
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:08.800
the record of evidence is these types of encounters. So

976
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.279
there are just a lot of aspects to it. But

977
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:13.960
I'm just thinking, I don't know if Ron has ever

978
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:17.760
We should ask Ron sometimes did he experience a hitchhiker effect?

979
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:22.279
That's a great question. I never heard him talk about that.

980
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:25.439
I never heard him talking about it. I don't think

981
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:27.520
he ever mentioned it. So this doesn't have to This

982
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:29.920
doesn't have to be inherently spooky. It's not like it

983
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.039
has to follow you home, but sometimes it does. It

984
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:35.640
seems to quote unquote follow you home. But again that

985
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:40.680
goes it goes back to more of these electromagnetic analogies,

986
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:46.199
the non ordinary type of electro magnetism. Let me just

987
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:49.520
use this type of analogy, Jermia. You've heard about cases

988
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:56.079
of the UFO's magnetizing non magnetic material. Would that's what

989
01:09:56.159 --> 01:10:00.600
it's like? Okay, you've been around something that's at another frequency,

990
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:05.600
whether it's through charge clusters from building up static charge

991
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:10.720
on their fur or sound cavitation or however they're doing.

992
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:15.520
This could be multiple methods. It's just like the UFOs

993
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:24.159
are capable of creating magnetization of non magnetic materials. You're

994
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:32.760
getting this sort of electro magnetization of what you generally

995
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:39.000
thought was non electromagnetic structures around your home, around your yard,

996
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:45.720
just the ordinary biological plants and fauna of nature that

997
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:49.399
it's having. I'm not saying it's like a direct type

998
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:53.399
of magnetization to me. Don't you think it seems it

999
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:57.680
doesn't an analogy, right? Yeah, absolutely what I think it is.

1000
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:00.720
I think it's closer to that. You also get that

1001
01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:05.279
by the way around culfusion lenar experiments, that magnetization of

1002
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:09.439
plastic and stuff just materials in the lab. So get

1003
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.680
the fact that you see this across different subjects. Again,

1004
01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:17.680
it's just a big clue that it's some fundamental underlying

1005
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:27.319
alternate type of electromagnetism, like alternate interpretation of Maxwell's equations

1006
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.640
that still preserve a symmetry, but it's a different type

1007
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:35.680
of symmetry like a fractal symmetry that it doesn't violate

1008
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.359
the laws of electromicisms, but it just leads us into

1009
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:41.760
a different direction that we normally don't think about a

1010
01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:45.800
lot because we live in a very corporatized type of

1011
01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:53.279
society which just commodified electromagnetism, right, It's turned it into

1012
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:56.760
something that's packaged and sold by the why exactly, And

1013
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:59.880
so though the powers that be and the ones that

1014
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.720
create the networks, and then the early electrification companies also

1015
01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:09.960
created those networks that became the three basic TV networks,

1016
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:16.279
they just institutionally had an agenda to keep people focused

1017
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:21.279
on the price of consumption and ordinary stuff that keeps

1018
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:24.479
their businesses going. And this would be why we haven't

1019
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:27.520
really spent a lot of time thinking about these alternative

1020
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.640
types of electrimagnetism. But I think when you looking at

1021
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.920
this way, yeah, I think that's what it is. And

1022
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:37.399
I'm not blaming anyone here. I'm not even creating confedracy theory.

1023
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:40.199
I'm just saying the institutions that we've had for a

1024
01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:45.039
couple hundred years had a profit motive which kept them

1025
01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:51.479
focused on getting our attention on screens and speakers that

1026
01:12:51.920 --> 01:12:55.279
basically sold their sorts of products and their types of

1027
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:59.159
entertainment and so forth, because the early TV networks also

1028
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:03.359
created their own shows. So you can see the link

1029
01:13:03.439 --> 01:13:05.840
back between the type of media you and I have

1030
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:09.680
been exposed to since we were kids, all the way

1031
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:14.800
back to the original company's Westinghouse, JP Morgan, people that

1032
01:13:15.000 --> 01:13:21.039
funded the electrification of the United States. And that's why

1033
01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:24.760
these yeah get it. So that's why this stuff seems weird.

1034
01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:28.439
It only seems weird is because we haven't been exposed

1035
01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:33.640
to the alternative interpretations just because the people that were

1036
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:37.920
delivering the media to us didn't feel it was in

1037
01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:41.680
their institutional interests to go in this direction because it

1038
01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:45.560
didn't increase the sales of their products, whether it be

1039
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:49.800
sports or entertainment, whatever. And that's why it seems so

1040
01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:52.680
superficial when you look at our media. Until the advent

1041
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:56.600
of the Internet just recently a couple decades ago, I

1042
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.520
think YouTube started when after it was at two thousand

1043
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:05.720
and six or so seven, we haven't had this democratization

1044
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:07.680
of media where we can talk like this and share

1045
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:14.159
information right on an equal playing field with major media.

1046
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:15.960
I think the good news is and all of this

1047
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:19.199
is that we have a lot of access to a

1048
01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:22.880
lot of podcasts and information like yours, like others, where

1049
01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:26.439
we can hear what people have been experiencing and give

1050
01:14:26.479 --> 01:14:30.239
them the respect they deserve the time of day to listen,

1051
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:34.159
what did you see? What did you hear, and not

1052
01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:36.800
just tell them you saw a bearer, you saw a

1053
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.239
pack of dogs, blah blah blah. They saw something really

1054
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:44.079
weird and we should just get over and accept it.

1055
01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:46.239
I'm not saying I can completely explain all of this.

1056
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:48.439
I don't want to get people the impression we're explaining

1057
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:51.039
this away. I'm not a reductionist. I'm just saying there's

1058
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:54.279
an angle on it that can give us some information

1059
01:14:54.319 --> 01:14:56.960
about what we're dealing with. We really don't understand who

1060
01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:01.319
these life forms are. What they're interest with us is

1061
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:06.760
where they lived. Actually most of the time, how do

1062
01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:09.600
they do what they do? I think we've, like you're

1063
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:11.520
saying at the very beginning, like we can cover the

1064
01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:14.520
surface of it a little bit exactly, but there's such

1065
01:15:14.520 --> 01:15:17.039
a long way to go. But the first step, Jeremiah,

1066
01:15:17.079 --> 01:15:20.079
is just to admit it's real. It exists. You could

1067
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.600
step out your door in most places now and encounter

1068
01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:26.600
something we don't even know what you encountered.

1069
01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:30.039
I think that's a great way to summarize it. But Simeon,

1070
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:33.319
You're right, it's like this is just scratching the surface

1071
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.039
for so many listeners. And I hope that this will

1072
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:39.800
they'll go out check out your book and really dive

1073
01:15:39.880 --> 01:15:41.920
into it. But I feel like this is a conversation

1074
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.520
we could go on for hours, but at this thing,

1075
01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:48.359
I'm just I've been trying. I've been wanting to have

1076
01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:50.119
you on for years, and I'm so glad you're able

1077
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:52.439
to come on. But do you mind spending a few

1078
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:55.640
minutes about how people can keep up to date with

1079
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:59.159
what you're doing and things that they want to check

1080
01:15:59.199 --> 01:16:00.439
out that you've put out there.

1081
01:16:02.199 --> 01:16:06.079
Oh? Sure. I have a whole number of websites. Some

1082
01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:10.199
are just devoted to remote viewing training. You can do

1083
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:12.760
somehe bit at home on your own. Occasionally. I have

1084
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:16.279
live classes that I do on Zoom if people want

1085
01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:19.600
to try RV for themselves. Just one little tiny aspect

1086
01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:21.560
of what we've been talking about today, I have this

1087
01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:27.359
Rvmini Class dot com site where you can see if

1088
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:31.159
what it feels like to actually get non local information.

1089
01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:34.600
It's just one component of everything we've been talking about today,

1090
01:16:34.600 --> 01:16:36.960
but it's just the part that people can experience on

1091
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.720
their own, in their own home or wherever they are.

1092
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:43.560
So my blog is the Crystalmind dot Com. I started

1093
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:46.520
that a good long time ago. We're coming up on

1094
01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:50.600
sixteen seventeen years of keeping that blog going about all

1095
01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:53.880
these different sort of topics. I have a YouTube channel

1096
01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:58.640
where people can just put my name in and you

1097
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:02.399
can find my YouTube channel and where I just discuss

1098
01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:07.840
these topics. And I have a Patreon page Dark Matter Mysteries,

1099
01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:12.359
where I'll post special things for viewers and members and stuff.

1100
01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:15.920
So those are a couple different ways that you can

1101
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:20.600
stay in contact and we can communicate. And the goal

1102
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:23.239
here is just to increase the amount of information we

1103
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:25.199
have that we're sharing with each other. And I think

1104
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:27.560
together we're all going to figure this out just the

1105
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:29.880
way to the evidence. The fact that we can all

1106
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:32.640
share it so really is really encouraging.

1107
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:35.520
One hundred percent. Doctor Simon Hin, thank you so much

1108
01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:38.279
for coming on the show. We'll have to definitely keep

1109
01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:41.119
in touch. Hopefully our paths will cross again sometime in

1110
01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:43.359
the future, but thanks again for coming on.

1111
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:46.359
Thanks Jeremiah, talk soon.

1112
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:50.039
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1113
01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:53.319
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1114
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:57.079
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1115
01:17:57.119 --> 01:18:00.479
seen something that no one can explain, or a National

1116
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:04.079
park ranger, a forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

1117
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:07.920
or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down

1118
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:10.520
on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a

1119
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:14.479
federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something

1120
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:17.520
you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter,

1121
01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:21.239
paramedic or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or

1122
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:24.239
found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the

1123
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:28.319
logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker

1124
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:32.239
with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've

1125
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:35.199
never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a

1126
01:18:35.199 --> 01:18:39.119
wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has

1127
01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:43.000
found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor,

1128
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:46.279
a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you

1129
01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:49.279
saw something that shook your faith, or if you work

1130
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:53.520
in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or anything with clearance and

1131
01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:57.359
you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want to

1132
01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:02.399
talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You can reach

1133
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:06.239
me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. The world

1134
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:08.960
needs to hear what you've been forced to carry alone.

1135
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:14.960
And you're not alone. You've got the story, We've got

1136
01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.640
the mic. See you in the woods. Thank you for

1137
01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:21.640
listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every

1138
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:24.239
encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger

1139
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:27.119
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1140
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.279
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1150
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1151
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1156
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1157
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:24.239
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1158
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.079
Keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop

1159
01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:29.279
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1160
01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:29.840
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