Nov. 9, 2025

Family of Bigfoot Found in Oregon: A Paranormal Investigator’s True Encounter

Family of Bigfoot Found in Oregon: A Paranormal Investigator’s True Encounter
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Season 1

A veteran paranormal investigator discovers what may be a family of Bigfoot hidden deep in Oregon’s forests—and encounters something far more unsettling along the way.

For over six years, Darrin Scholl and his team have tracked strange activity in Oregon’s wilderness. From thermal camera footage and massive footprints to eerie vocalizations and unexplainable encounters, each expedition revealed new layers of mystery.

In this episode, host Jeremiah Byron of Bigfoot Society sits down with Darrin to discuss:

  • How his 30 years of paranormal research led to cryptid investigation
  • The evidence suggesting a repeating migratory pattern among Bigfoot
  • Why his team believes something else is sharing their territory
This in-depth conversation offers one of the most detailed looks yet at ongoing cryptid research in the Pacific Northwest.

Resources: https://www.youtube.com/@d.b.kinvestigations

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You're listening to Big for the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all.

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Right, Pig the Society. You get the privilege of talking

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to mister Darren Shawl today. He is an individual I

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got connected to over on the Facebook platform. And a

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little background about Darren. He's been a paranormal investigator for

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thirty years and a cryptid investigator for the past six years,

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and we're going to be talking about really what's been

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happening during those six years. Welcome to the show, Darren.

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How are you doing.

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Today, sir?

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Good? Thanks for having me on.

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Absolutely Now let's start here. So when you say just

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maybe a little background, So when you say paranormal investigator.

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Are you for the thirty years, are you the kind

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of guy that you've been going out in investigated houses

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that are haunted and things like that, just so we're

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on the same page as you.

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Basically, what I do on that for the last thirty

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years is houses cemeteries, locations in the wilderness pretty much

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wherever I get a call to go to the check

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things out and try to help the home owners feel

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a little bit more at ease with their circumstances and

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in the situation.

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So absolutely, and from what I would gather and maybe

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from what I know a little bit behind the scenes,

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it sounds like there was something that happened that kind

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of got your focus to go over to the cryptid

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side a bit.

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The funny thing is, me and my team went up

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to this old abandoned homestead. The funny thing is I

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was stopped in the supermarket and some people around town

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happen to know who I am and what I do,

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and it was a hunter and he said that he

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was up at the old homestead and he had seen

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a woman standing in the field calling his name, and

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he didn't feel very comfortable with that. So we ended

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up getting out of that situation. So I talked to

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my crew and I said, hey, we've never been up there,

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why don't we go up there? And it sounds like

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it's a hotspot. Let's go figure this out, and.

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So we go up.

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We did our initial investigation, and we had talked to

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the local historical society and they said, the cemetery is

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down the hill a little ways and curse the cemetery

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is paranormal investigators, let's go talk to them. People were

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treated very horrible up here and they were pretty much abandoned,

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so they've got to have a storytelling. While we were

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looking for the cemetery is when we stumbled, and stumbled

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is the only appropriate word. Is we stumbled upon a

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family of bigfoot and it just took off like a shot.

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And that's that was the start of our crypton investigations.

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Wow, Darren, that's intense, And I know a lot of

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listeners right now are like, a family big foot, that's awesome.

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Where is it? So we can say it's an.

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Organ right because we don't want to exactly give out

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the exact location. Because over the last six years, we've

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been able to go back during certain months and we

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are successfully locating and tracking these things. They have a path,

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these Bigfoot, the Susquatch, this pod, this family, they have

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a cycle, a have pattern that we've been able to track,

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and we're very successful that every year that when we

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go back up during these months and during these times,

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we are running into them. I'm not saying that we're

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all friendly and we don't name them or anything. We're

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encountering them every single year like clockwork.

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Some fascinating stuff.

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So when you say family or pod, which I would

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assume is the name we're using for the group of them,

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what kind of individuals and types are you seeing in

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this pod?

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What we found that one day that started this whole

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thing off was we come across this little meadow and

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this on a little valley and we're up on the

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ridge a little bit and we're being loud.

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We're just hiking through the woods, talk allow, just being

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obnoxious and joking around, and we're like, okay, we're going

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to go find the cemetery. And we go to where

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we were told the cemetery is. Oh, yeah, it's over here,

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here's your coordinates. We get down to where it is

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and we're like, okay, there's nothing here.

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And one of my guys looks down.

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We're probably about eighty five ninety feet away from them,

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and he looks across and he's like, there's something down there.

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And we've got thermal cameras and we got everything else.

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So one of my guys with the thermal camera gets

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a mon thermal camera. We've got one hiding behind a tree,

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and we've got that video on our YouTube page where

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you can see a bright hot object hiding behind a tree,

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peeking around.

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And what it was.

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There was two females and two juveniles. We could tell

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that they were females, and so we're watching them and

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they're watching us. I think it was more of a

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situation of we all caught each other off guard.

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And they were just hiding.

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They were hiding behind trees and peeking around, and we're

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just we're staring at them, and they're staring at us.

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And we got the feeling that they just expected the

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crazy humans just to walk on pass and not really

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paying any attention.

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And then they were just stuck there.

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And while we're starting watching them, their hair was just

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like a dark black and then the two they were

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about seven feet te For the two females and then

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the juveniles were probably about four and a half feet tall.

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As we're staring at him, one of my guys goes, hey,

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we had a whoop at him and see if the

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woop back.

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So we started whooping.

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That's when we got a return whoop from behind us,

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and we turned to take a look and be like, okay,

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what's behind us. We turned back around and we're like, okay,

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we can't see anything, but this is kind of getting crazy.

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Let's focus on the females and the juveniles and focus

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on what we can see. By that point, they had

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that little moment to take off from the valley, and

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that's where we lost contact with him.

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Two females, two juveniles, and then you heard something behind you.

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Correct.

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Correct, because what we've been finding out is normally you've

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got in our pod. The big male has a central

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area of this wider area. Because we've done some interviews

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with people who have seen we call them the silver

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back borrow wing, a term from gorillas, and we've interviewed

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a bunch of people in the next town over and

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they say, oh, yeah, we just he comes around, he

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gets in the garbage cans, he's by himself, and he's

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just a big nine footer. But we have had interactions

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with other males, so we're believing that those would be

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more the teenagers, the younger males that aren't exactly the

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big alpha that are seem to be protecting.

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The females and the kids.

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We've had rocks thrown at us, and we've been hit

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with that stench, which we're thinking is maybe like a

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skunk response. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to fast forward

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a year. Here, we see the females, juveniles, We get

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out of there, we're all hyped up, we're excited.

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We give it a year, go about our business. The

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following year.

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The next April, we go back up and we start

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finding like these nests. Something hits pushed down these trees

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and fill them with burns. And we were had been

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going to started going to Bigfoot conference is trying to

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learn everything that we could and there's one up in

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the Olympic Peninsula where they've been finding these big handwoven

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nests filled with huckleberries, and their research says that huckleberries

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have the medicinal quality for childbirth and the motherhood. Our

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altitude is too low for that for huckleberries, but bracken

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ferns grow plentiful and if you look up medicinal qualities

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of brack and fern, it also has childbirth and the

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motherhood type ailments that they can fix. It's a good

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medicinal property. That's year two. We start finding these nests everywhere.

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We get rocks thrown at us, and it's a bigger

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male and it's stocking us. It's walking in the creek

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next to the trail there, and we stop and we're

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talking and we get hit with that awful smell. That's

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just we tried to describe how bad it is, but

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it's just this pungent, just bad. But it didn't linger long,

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it would. It just hit us like a skunk would spray.

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So you're just you're aware that, hey, I need to

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get out of here. So we kind of looked around

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and I saw two branches from another tree we pulled down,

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and then something pulled itself up over the bank. I

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didn't get a great view of it, but it was

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definitely something large pulling itself up over the bank get

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away from us. So yeah, we ended up leaving that

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day as quickly as we could.

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I'm curious Why was it that you waited a whole

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year before going back up there.

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We were still doing the paranormal stuff pretty much full time,

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and we had other cases and everything else lined up,

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and then it was we get back around to January

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and we hang one up to our local squatch fest,

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and then we started talking about it. We're like, you

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know what, we need to go back out there, and

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also we needed to have time to learn what we're

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doing and how we're doing it and talk to people

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that do it full time and get the research in

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because we're used to sitting in an abandoned building at

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three o'clock in the morning talking.

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To a broken radio. And now it's like, okay, now.

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We've got to change our way of thinking to we're

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going to be out in the wilderness and how are

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we going to do this and how we're going to

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approach this.

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I think that's really smart of you.

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A lot of people would probably just be like, all right,

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let's hit it hard and not take the time to

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get that foundation in their Hats off to you, guys.

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Is this a thing where you are trying to get

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footprint cast as well try to get any evidence of

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any kind when you're up there in the area.

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We actually have pulled out three different footprints. In the

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first well, okay, we can't count the first year, but

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the next three years after that we've pulled out footprints.

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We go with the basic logic of Okay, everything that's

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living needs water, it needs food, and it needs shelters.

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We track the water sources that where's the streams, where

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the criets, the rivers, what's close to here, what's the

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food supply? Like, everything's going to need to eat and

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it's going to need water eventually sometime during the day.

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We've got to put ourselves in that mentality of Okay,

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these are the things we're looking for. If the question

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that myself and my team ask ourselves when we enter

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a situation is if we were stuck in the woods,

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where's the food, where's the water that we would be

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able to survive off of. It's been a lot of

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homework on our end of the and I said, for

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ghosts hunting, you're in a building, you're out of the elements,

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you got a water bottle, you got a snack on

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you or something like that. Wilderness survival, you got taken

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an effect. Know your weather, know the weather turns, especially

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up on these mountains that we go onto. Yeah, it's

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just been a lot of education before we started rolling

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out to do it pretty much monthly.

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Okay, gosha.

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So now for the last few years it sounds like

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you're going up there every month, which is awesome. Has

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there been a time when you've been able to get

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a really good look of.

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The sasquatch that you have up there?

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You mentioned that you were able to see one go

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up the side of a bank, maybe with a tree,

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But have there been any other sightings that you've been

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fortunate enough to have.

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It was the initial, but all we had was a

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thermal camera, the one with the male pulling itself up

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for the bank. We were not rolling any cameras, so

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after that one we started buying go pros body cameras,

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outfitting ourselves out to the extreme over the last couple

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of years. I'm going to stress this. I can't stress

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you enough. We are not friendly with them. We have

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been run out, We've had rocks thrown at us and

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we get too close.

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We don't name them.

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I know some people who run into these things all

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the time they name them and have we have Okay,

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let me go three years back, we were going up

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local area.

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It's April again.

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We were not rolling on anything, we weren't had no

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cameras rolling. I had one of my team go down

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a trail that we had never been down before, and

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me and the other guy were sitting there who were

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actually charging up our GoPros, a little solder battery thing.

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And we're sitting there and we're having lunch and we're

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just talking and we look across into the swampy area

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and there's a juvenile male peeking around a tree at us,

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and I'm like, of course, of course they're coming out

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right now.

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They know that everything's plugged in and that one.

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No, we didn't get anything on camera, but we did

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get a good visual of him staring at us.

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On the show, I get a lot of different types

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of sighting reports, and you have people that see them.

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What they saw looked very human, or what they saw

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looked maybe more ape like. Did it fit either of

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those or was it maybe something completely different than those two?

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This pod, this family that we have in following, they've

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got more of alla face, well, a flat nose, dark hair,

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skin color. Is it's not real like chimpanzee and it's

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not gorilla dark. It's like a be in between those two.

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Gotcha? Did it have a certain shape to its head

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at all?

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They got that classic cone on the top of the

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head there. That's about the only way I can describe

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it as it just has that.

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Gimlin Patterson film coned head.

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Gotcha. Gotcha. This is something I've never experienced before.

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But you mentioned that you guys have experienced, and that's

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you've been run out of the area at least once.

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Can you walk me through what it's like to be

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run out of an area by I guess at least

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one sasquatch would be involved.

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It's the times that we get run out are the

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times we get entirely too close to a nest or

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a feeding ground. The last time we got run out,

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we ended up finding a kill zone. There was just

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a massive bones just spread out over this little area.

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There's an elk refuge up in this area too. Something

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had to kill a couple of elk and just rip

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them apart. And as we're up there and we're trying

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to document it, and that's actually where we pulled another

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footprint was right next to one of the bodies. Some

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of us started feeling very sick. We wanted to say

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it was infrasound, but we can't really document that. But

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then there was the rocks being thrown at us. Started

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out just small rocks going through the trees, so you

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kind of hear something hitting trees next to us or

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at our feet, and then it's small, and then we

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kind of.

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Started to move.

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A little bit quicker, and we're like, okay, quick take pictures,

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take video. The footprint was still drying. We're like, okay,

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we'll just we'll leave, we'll come back and we'll get

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it in an hour or so. And as we're leaving

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the woods and hitting down this trail, the rocks are

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getting a little bit more frequent, a little bit bigger.

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We're hearing growls behind us, so it's now become more

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vocal of but you guys need to leave.

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Your time is up. You need to leave. You were

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somewhere you weren't supposed to be.

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So we ended up getting chased probably a good quarter

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mile back to the truck and just continually having things

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thrown at us. When we got to where the truck is,

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there's a little creek off to the left hand side

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of the trail and you could hear something splashing through

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the criek, really making it obvious that I'm over here.

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You need to be aware and you need to get out.

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So we ended up loading up in the truck, getting

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a majority of everybody out safe and sound, and we

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came back with just three of us to go retrieve

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the footprint real quick.

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What was that like going back to retrieve the footprint?

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What were you guys experiencing? Did things rev up when

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you went back into that area? Were you able to

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get in and out pretty quick?

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We kind of ran it.

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My guys basically parked the truck and they ended up

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running down to it, pulling it out of the ground,

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throwing it in a rain poncho, and then running back

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out as quickly as they could. I did not go

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with them to go back and get the footprint. I

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was trying to deal with getting the rest of the

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crew calmed down a little bit.

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And they said.

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Entered when they parked and entered the trail, they said

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there was no birds, there was no chipmunks, there was

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no sound. They just felt like they were watched and

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they were stocked the entire time.

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They said, they just flat out ran it.

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Just no cameras, no body cameras, no packs, no nothing,

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just get in, get out.

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Can't leave this behind. It's a good print.

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So that's really intense.

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What dimensions are the tracks that you've been able to

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pull out of this area?

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The smallest one was fourteen and a half inches long

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by like about three four inches wide, and the longest

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one we pulled out was sixteen and a half feet

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and about almost five inches wide.

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Gotcha, sixteen and a half inches by five yeah?

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Yeah, okay. Wow.

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Have you guys ever used any of your parent normal

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investigation equipment in this same area to see if it

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registers at all?

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We've tried to use some stuff. Our spirit boxes really

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don't give off a lot of anything. The EMF meters.

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There's two areas that we get a little bit of

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a spike to it, but we're not depending on the

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type of year. Is when we try to do more

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of the sits, sit down in the woods and just

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focus on things, because we've noticed that there is now

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there's a pottern to these woods.

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On when things come and when they go.

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Now, like all the aggressive males go further up the

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mountain in April and May, the females happen to leave

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the mid part of the mountain June, July and August,

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and then June, July and August we don't go up

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there because there's a whole different creature that likes to

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inhabit that area that we don't like to deal with.

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Is that something we're able to talk about at all,

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or is that just subject we're not really going to

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get into.

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Oh, we can discuss it.

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For the past three years in the area in the

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summertime June, July and August, we have been actively stopped,

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chased witnessed dogman. Yeah, there's a nice little pack of them.

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It started out with two and we were stocked out

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of there by that one. We had left up game

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cameras three years ago because we're like, okay, we haven't

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really seen much in the summertime.

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Let's put up game cameras.

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Leave them up there a month, and we'll come back

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and try to figure out what's going on with this

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area in the summertime. You know, why is all the

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activity for squatching just dead in July and August. There's

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you know, every time we go up there, there's nothing

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going on. So it's like, let's put up game cameras.

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We had actually ended up going back up to the

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old homestead do a paranormal thing, and it was like, okay,

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on our way back down, we've got game cameras. Let's

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go in and grab them and let's see what we

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Got've been up there a month. Me and my buddy

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James go in to where the game cameras are and

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we get up to where they are, and we've got

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everybody at the truck with the bionic ears and sound amplifiers,

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and one of them is like radioing us and saying

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I'm hearing breathing in the woods. So I'm like, okay,

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we'll make this quick. Maybe this is gonna be one

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of the hostile encounters where they're going to chase us. Well,

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grab the game camera and I happen to look up

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into the woods where the person's pointing to that it's

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right there. That's when I see seven foot tall bipedial

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canine got kind of like a German shepherd head, and

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it's staring at me. So I grabbed the camera and

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I back out of there. I'm not taking my eyes

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off it. It's watching me. I'm watching it. I go

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back to back with my buddy James down on the

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trail head and I'm like, dude, we need to get

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out of here. There's some I'm still staring the scene,

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dead in the eyes, and he's like staring at the

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creek on the other side of the trail and he's like,

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there's one over there. James has a pistol and he

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draws it.

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I am not armed. All I have is little hunting knife.

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So we start back and out of there real quick, carefully, quietly.

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I'm still keeping eyes on mine. He's looking down and

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he's looking at it. We get in the truck when

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we get out of there as quickly as we can.

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The next year, we went up there and we're just like, okay,

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beginning of June should be okay. No, it wasn't okay.

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We're stock where we found these tracks. We're trying to

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find these tracks, and there we couldn't cast them, and

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they looked like bigfoot tracks, but they were just the

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plant material underneath. All the trees were just pine needles

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and everything else. We're like, yeah, we're not gonna be

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able to cast this. Let's try and track it down

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and see what we can find that we can cast.

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And I stayed up on the road because I'm like, okay,

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I'm going to stay up here.

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I'm going to keep an eye out for things.

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We wear these shooting ear muffs that amplify all the

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out exterior sound. And I hear branches cracking behind me,

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and I am armed at this point because they're like, okay,

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we're get towards dog man season.

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We should have something handy.

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And I turn around and I see a dogman peering

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out from behind a tree, and then I hear a

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sound off to the right of him, and there's another

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dog man, and then there's a third dogman pops up

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and a little bit smaller, definitely a young man. The

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guys come back up and I have not drawn any weapons.

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I'm just staring at these things. I'm like, okay, we

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need to go.

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He's like.

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Looking in the woods, and he goes, okay, I see

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that one off to the left. I got ah huh,

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And then look over about twenty feet and then another

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thirty feet off of that one, and so he's eyeballing.

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He's noticing our third guy. We've been finding this.

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We can only estimate that it's a bigfoot piling trees

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up there. It's like one of those big t piez

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style things that Bigfoot seemed to be making from time

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to time. So he's like, I'm going to go over here.

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I'm going to check to see the progress on that one,

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because it used it was three sticks, then it was

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like forty sticks. And he's like, I want to go

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see the condition that it's in. I'm all right, just

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make it real quick. And then we got to get

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in the truck and get out of here. He gets

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back there and he says, there were three more things

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sitting around the teepee and they were laying in the bush,

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and he's like, I could hear him. I could hear

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him breathing. They were snarling. So we got in the

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truck and we went further up the hill where all

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the squats were. When we came back down, because we

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got to take the same road in and the same

470
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.880
road out, we were trying to be funny and decide, okay,

471
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:54.599
somebody had set up some targets and this little pull

472
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.680
out for a target practice. Why don't we stop and

473
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:01.079
we'll do some target practice. Try to make yourselves feel

474
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.240
a little bit better. I think that was pretty much

475
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:08.160
a mistake because we get back in the truck, shoot

476
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.319
some guns and hop back in the truck and we

477
00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:13.599
start back down the hill. And my buddy Josh is

478
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.960
in the seat in the backseat of the truck and

479
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:21.319
he's looking out right hand side and he goes, there's

480
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:28.759
something running beside the truck. And well, James is driving

481
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.559
and he's trying to pay attention. And I rolled down

482
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.200
the window to try to turn around get a better

483
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:33.920
look at this thing.

484
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:38.680
And I can't see any details on.

485
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:43.079
It, but it's something is definitely running beside the truck,

486
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:45.359
and it's clocking us at twenty five miles an hour

487
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:46.079
and keeping up.

488
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:49.400
Yeah, when I had the window down, you.

489
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.799
Can get a really that noxious smell of rotten meat

490
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.960
and pet urine and it was just ugly.

491
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:02.599
My goodness.

492
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.640
So that puts everything in a whole different way. Now

493
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:09.759
you're not just dealing with a pot of bigfoot or

494
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:11.920
a family group a big foot in the area. You've

495
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:16.880
also have this completely different cryptid to deal with. To

496
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:21.279
make sure I understand it, so you're saying that the

497
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:24.680
bigfoot leave during certain months and then the dog man

498
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:28.240
individuals they come into the same area.

499
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:35.039
Okay, Now, the funny thing is about before we even

500
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:39.079
dealt with the dogmen. I was wearing a Bigfoot shirts

501
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:41.440
and I was at the local fred Myers and I

502
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.240
was doing a self checkout and I was just trying

503
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.400
to get in, get out, get home, and there was

504
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.279
a lady at the self checkout next to mine. She

505
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:58.240
saw my shirt and she goes, hey, I like your shirts.

506
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.200
Did you happen to know there's foot in the backwoods here?

507
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.039
And I was like, oh, yeah, we've been tracking him

508
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:07.839
for a few years and we're trying to understand him.

509
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:09.720
So I go back to putting myself and then then

510
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.119
I'm just chit chatting, and then she says so and

511
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:17.519
she goes, yeah, the dogmen in the Bigfoot are always

512
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.880
fighting for territory up by my farm, and they're always

513
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:25.839
making such a loud racket at night. And it didn't

514
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.200
click right away, and I was like, oh, that's interressing.

515
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.359
And then she was done with her stuff and she goes,

516
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.319
all right, have a good day, and I'm like okay,

517
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.279
and I was like, wait a minute, process process, Okay,

518
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:43.279
I need to talk to this woman. Trying to finish

519
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:45.839
pack and all my stuff, pay as quick as I can,

520
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.880
run out the store, try to follow her and now

521
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:50.119
I'm an investigator.

522
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:50.960
I need to know more.

523
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.240
Where's this farm, where's this ranch? What time of the

524
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.279
year is it that these battles are going on if

525
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:01.440
you've got a wrestling match going on for free on

526
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.599
a front row seat. But I couldn't find her. Like

527
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.200
I said, what we've been finding is it seems to

528
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:13.240
be that the squatch seemed to be going up and

529
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.920
down and over this mountain into the next valley because

530
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.599
there's a river on the back side of this mountain,

531
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:25.000
so they seem to be doing springtime on my side,

532
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:30.319
and then summer they go further up and then up

533
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.960
and over for the fish room. Now the dogmen, we're

534
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.480
trying to figure out what their pattern is. We actually

535
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:44.640
interviewed a lady this summer. We went to this little

536
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:49.799
county park just off out of the way. There's a

537
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:54.720
legend of a horse thief who was hung and people

538
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:58.440
see this guy today. They'll be camping out and they'll

539
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:00.240
see a man and his dog walk around in the

540
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.279
park and it's when they turn on lights, there's nobody there.

541
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:07.839
So we're like, okay, let's go out and we'll investigate

542
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.799
this one. We didn't really pack for Bigfoot didn't pack

543
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.319
for dogmen. We just took ghost gear and we're like, okay,

544
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:18.319
we're just going to do this. As we're trying to

545
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:22.960
find the hanging tree, and we had.

546
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.599
Talked to the Historical Society and they said, oh, you

547
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:26.880
go in the.

548
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.640
Park, you take this trail, you go back five hundred

549
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:34.119
feet and there's a tree. We start getting stocked by something.

550
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.440
We're like, okay, this is weird. People have seen squatch

551
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.160
over here and this seems to be the heart of

552
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:44.599
their territory. Maybe it's a squatch. We don't see much,

553
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:48.440
don't see much. It's we can hear it around us.

554
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:48.960
In the woods.

555
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.519
We get back out, we're like, okay, do our little thing.

556
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.400
Get ready to wrap up, and we're walking toward the

557
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.920
car and one of the ladies that's been camping there

558
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.799
for a while she comes over and she goes, oh,

559
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.880
you guys are ghost hunters. I saw your gear on

560
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.680
your table more. Yeah, you we also do a bigfoot

561
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:13.000
and there's been some reports of bigfoot out here. She goes, oh,

562
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.160
I've been here for about two weeks. I haven't seen

563
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.720
any bigfoot, but there is this giant dog and she

564
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.680
puts a handout and she goes, now, it's about this

565
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.680
tall shoulder and she's about five foot two and it's

566
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.720
about five feet and she goes, yeah, it comes around

567
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.200
on all fours. It gets into my dog's food at night,

568
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:34.240
I have to chase it away. It wants to try

569
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:35.079
to get into the tent.

570
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.160
We're just like, oh, this is great.

571
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:42.599
And then we talked to the camp post and they're like, oh, yeah,

572
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.839
it's just a giant dog. He's just wandering around and

573
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.319
it's what and what dog is really five feet tall

574
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:58.440
and just roaming free. We're trying to figure out and

575
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.839
the next step on this whole thing is what's the pattern,

576
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:01.359
where are.

577
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:03.880
They going, how are they going, how they coming and going?

578
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:09.119
Why do the bigfoot go further up the mountain during

579
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.599
a certain time of the year, and do they feel safer?

580
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:15.039
These things we got to try to figure out.

581
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:19.639
Did you say that?

582
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:24.599
The camposts were rather like whatever about the whole deal,

583
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:25.760
Like it's no big deal.

584
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.320
Yeah, they said, it's been hanging out for the last

585
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:35.360
year or two and it doesn't attack anybody. They'll see

586
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.400
it four or five six times a day just walking

587
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.960
through the camp and they're like, oh yeah, it's then

588
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:45.920
when they described it, They're like, it looks like a wolf.

589
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:50.119
It's about five feet at the shoulders and it's a

590
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:56.800
dark gray with black streaks. We try to look up

591
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.119
dog breeds and have black streaks are that tall well,

592
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.760
and it's like we're really striking at a little bit.

593
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.440
We were like, does it look like a great Dane?

594
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.199
Is it a Afghan?

595
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.960
And I'm like, it just looks like a mutt. Looks

596
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:14.760
like a combination of a bunch.

597
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:21.119
Incredible man.

598
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:25.079
So, knowing that you've got the two things going on,

599
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.800
I'm sure you guys are protected in different ways when

600
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:31.760
you're going up there.

601
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:38.440
Yeah, most definitely. We were asked.

602
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.079
I was asked on a different podcast, when you're fully

603
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.239
armed to the teeth, how are the Bigfoot responding to that? Again,

604
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:49.400
I don't want to say we're friendly and everything on

605
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:59.119
certain terms, but since I've been packing in firearms when

606
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:07.239
it's in the April May months, March April May, Okay,

607
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.320
for example, this past May, we did what.

608
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:11.039
We call the sit.

609
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:14.159
We just like, Okay, it's April, we're gonna get in

610
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:18.039
gilly suits. We're gonna go and we're gonna park ourselves

611
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:22.280
along this ridge at twenty foot intervals. You know, we

612
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.000
all got cameras. We're like, okay, we know that they're here.

613
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:30.360
Experience and habit and routine have just said that, yes,

614
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:32.119
they are going to be in this area.

615
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:32.760
Is time.

616
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:42.239
We're strapped for pistols on our sides and in gilly suits.

617
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.960
We're just honkered down. Like I said, about thirty feet

618
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:55.159
in between us and this riverbed and what we There's

619
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:56.639
another one of the things that it's kind of hard

620
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:57.840
to define.

621
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.960
What it is. We heard, but.

622
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.719
And a bunch of us had heard it. So we're

623
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.519
in ghillie suits, we're laying on the bank, just looking

624
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:15.960
like logs. We start hearing this cooing. And that's the

625
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:18.280
only way word we can use to describe it is

626
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:25.760
it's a high cooing like you would coop to a

627
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:28.360
like a child. You're trying to calm down a child

628
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:28.920
a little bit.

629
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:35.480
Ooh, you know, the best way I can describe it.

630
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.920
But I kept getting closer closer, and then it's right

631
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.639
underneath the ridge underneath me.

632
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.519
I'm up a little bit higher on this over ahead,

633
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:51.760
and we didn't feel too threatened by it.

634
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:55.000
I think I was a little bit more spooked that

635
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:59.400
it was right underneath me, and it was cooing, and

636
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:03.920
I was like, you know what, it's right underneath this.

637
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:08.800
It's probably about three feet underneath me. I think it's

638
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:13.360
time to go now because it's getting real close. But

639
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.119
we're just going through the motion of These things are

640
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.360
very They know when we show up, even if we

641
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:28.280
dissent ourselves gilly suits. The minute that truck stops and

642
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:31.880
it's a big old diesel, everything in the neighborhood knows

643
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:40.119
that we're arriving. We don't draw pistols during the squatch season,

644
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.760
we don't even reach for them. It's primarily during the

645
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:53.119
summertime months that we're a little bit more jumpy.

646
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.599
When you've been sitting or doing the sit up. There

647
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:01.960
have there been any types of other interactions that have

648
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.840
happened between you, your team and whatever creatures are out

649
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:06.519
there at the time.

650
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:11.039
The reactions with the Bigfoot seem to be that. I mean,

651
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:13.480
we last time we sat there for two and a

652
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.320
half hours and.

653
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.840
Then we got the cooing. Some people will.

654
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:22.760
Hear branches breaking and something moving slowly. There might be

655
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.840
a little pebble that's thrown at us just to see

656
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.559
if we'll react. I think if we're posing no threat

657
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:32.960
and we're just playing like we're a log. Nine out

658
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:35.800
of ten times they're just they'll throw something and see

659
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:37.920
if you react. I think it's like a game to

660
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.280
the juveniles at a certain point of ah, yeah, there's

661
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:43.760
humans over there, let's little rocks. See if they'll freak

662
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.559
out and run. Normally, it's just you'll have a few

663
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.079
things hit a tree next to you. You'll get like

664
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:52.800
maybe a little whoop, a little howl in the background.

665
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.440
Once they know that you're not going to react and play,

666
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:01.719
then they just seem to just go about their business.

667
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:08.519
Has anyone on the team ever checked for radiation levels

668
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:12.360
in that area with like an RF meter or been

669
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:16.599
affected and weird physical ways after being up there.

670
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.639
One of our guys has had the constant like vertigo.

671
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.920
He doesn't come up a lot anymore, just because effect.

672
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:28.880
It just seemed to affect him a little bit more.

673
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.320
As for radiation meters, that is actually on our list

674
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.119
of things to pick up for these things. Now there's

675
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:41.639
been vertigo, there's been feeling just lightheaded from time to time,

676
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:42.480
But as.

677
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:43.199
Long as we're just.

678
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:48.840
If it's during the time that we would normally find

679
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:52.800
a nest we try to avoid those areas because, like

680
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.159
I said, they have a pattern, they have a routine.

681
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.360
They're going to be in these zones at certain times

682
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:04.320
of the year inside their nest. So we stay clear

683
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:07.280
than nests during March and April. We don't go into

684
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.199
that part of the swamp, you know, that part of

685
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.480
the mountain. We try to basically just give them the

686
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:18.440
room to breathe and do their thing. And I would say,

687
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:22.840
and it's just our theory, mind you, that when the

688
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:29.480
females are giving birth, that the older males are working

689
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:31.519
century work, so they're the ones that are out in

690
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:36.679
the outer perimeter, protecting the mothers and the newborns. And

691
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:41.079
they'll normally throw rocks at us, again, small rocks, let

692
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:42.960
us know, hey, you're not supposed to be here, and

693
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.400
then they'll get a little bit more intense. But as

694
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.079
long as we stay out of those zones, we seem

695
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:51.159
to get along pretty fine.

696
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.280
That they're okay with us, they're okay.

697
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.679
With us being there as long as we're not in

698
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:58.440
the crucial areas that we need to be.

699
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.199
If that makes any sense, No.

700
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:10.599
It absolutely does, and I would really it's on your

701
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:14.039
list already, But I would recommend definitely getting some kind

702
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.840
of RF meter. Just I think it's a thing that

703
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:22.119
is definitely being talked about in the community where people are.

704
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:26.559
There's Joe Purdue out of West Virginia. They found the

705
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:30.960
actual radioactive big Foot footprint out there in that state,

706
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:33.719
and I think it's something that needs to be a

707
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.440
little bit looked into more. So I'm glad that you

708
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:42.760
guys are doing that or planning to do that for sure.

709
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:47.159
Yeah, every year seems to be a growing moment for

710
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:51.039
the team and myself. On the first year we six

711
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.119
years ago, when we first encountered them, the only cameras

712
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.239
we had were our phones. You're only going to be

713
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.280
able to do so much with that. And then it's

714
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.599
we've grown into Okay, let's learn from everybody else. Listen

715
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:09.960
to go to these Bigfoot festivals and conferences and learn

716
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:13.000
from the people that have been doing it for a while.

717
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.960
We've had the distinct honor to talk to doctor Meldrum

718
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.639
for the last couple of years and pick his brain

719
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.360
and saying, Okay, this is what we're coming up against.

720
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.320
What would you think about this one? So I know

721
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:29.519
with his passing, we've kind of lost a resource it's

722
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:33.000
like we don't know everything.

723
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.239
About these things. We're still learning about them.

724
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:39.840
And one question that's been up to me was, if

725
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.039
you've been run out of the area and chased by

726
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.400
dog man, why do you keep going back? And it's like,

727
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.880
we want to know it's the same thing that drives

728
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.960
us to go into these common buildings and stay there

729
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:53.440
until six o'clock in the morning.

730
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:57.320
It's like I was. I grew up on a Patterson Gidland.

731
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.760
Film and my grandmother was from Arkansas, so there was

732
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.400
always the legends and the myths, and I grew up

733
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.639
with all that, but Bigfoot was never really the goal.

734
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.000
I guess you would say it's always been the ghosts.

735
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:11.800
I was just like, yeah, I'm just gonna stick with

736
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.760
the paranormal field and that's where I'm going to be.

737
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:14.239
And then.

738
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.000
Seeing them, seeing the two females and the two juveniles,

739
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.920
it's like, now I need to know more about these things.

740
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.239
So it's like I said, every single year, we're learning

741
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.960
something new, we're writing it down, we're putting it in

742
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.360
our in our arsenal and going forward to the next year,

743
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.159
and Okay, now, how are we going to do this?

744
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:35.239
How are we going to do that.

745
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:38.800
Like I said, we've been casting footprints when we find them.

746
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.679
They're getting better at that. The first one was a

747
00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:47.280
very horrible cast, but it's like, we want to know

748
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:51.320
more about these things. We just did an interview a

749
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.239
couple months back by a person in the next down

750
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:58.559
over and he gave us the exact location of the

751
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:01.760
big old silver back. He's like, yep, if you come

752
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:05.519
out during these months, he sits up on the hill

753
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:06.639
and everybody sees him.

754
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.880
Oh wow, And yeah. He said he had the damage

755
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:11.480
to his barn.

756
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.920
He said one night he had walked out and leveled

757
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:17.639
out of twelve gage and hit two blasts in the air.

758
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:21.199
You know, something was out with his chickens, and he

759
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:24.599
leveled out two blasts to scare it away. And the

760
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.119
next couple of nights something beat the crap out of

761
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.840
his barn, but a big holes in it. We got

762
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.440
to look at the barn and there was big old

763
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.199
footprints right next to where the scene was, just beaten

764
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:36.599
holes in the wall.

765
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:40.840
It's like all right, And he was like, yo, it's

766
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.719
here all the time. It likes to come in it.

767
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.880
He's had to do something new with his chickens to

768
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.840
make sure that it doesn't get his chickens.

769
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:48.079
All the time.

770
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:50.800
He said, Oh yeah, you go talk to sons and

771
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:52.519
they're gonna they're gonna tell you the same thing.

772
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:54.039
Their goats go missing.

773
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:57.800
Is absolutely wild.

774
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.719
Has anyone have you chuched any locals that have been

775
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.840
able to get, like any photographs or video of when

776
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:06.840
they're being messed with on their property.

777
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:10.880
Nine out of ten times it's early in the morning,

778
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:15.119
and they're not really thinking cameras. They're going for shotguns

779
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:20.360
and rifles because they're ranchers or farmers. Their livestock is

780
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.039
being threatened and their main concern at that point is

781
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:27.880
I need to go out and protect my livestock from

782
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:31.119
getting taken. We've talked to them, Hey, you know what,

783
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.599
maybe if you put up some outdoor security cameras and

784
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:36.599
if you capture anything.

785
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.760
You can let us get a copy of that.

786
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:42.960
These are die hard country people, just they're out in

787
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:48.199
the middle kind of nowhere, and they're just it's an

788
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:51.280
older generation and they'd rather shoot in the air with

789
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.800
twelve gage than stop and take a picture.

790
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.480
No, that makes total sense, Darren, this has been a

791
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.880
great conversation. You have one last question for you, and

792
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:08.400
have you or anyone on your team ever had any

793
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:12.920
form of what you feel is communication with either the

794
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:17.960
Bigfoot or the dog man that are in this area.

795
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:22.639
I would say the only range of communication we've had

796
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:26.599
was the cooing, because it made us feel like it

797
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:29.920
was trying to gauge us on how we were doing

798
00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:33.159
because we had rocks thrown at us and we weren't moving,

799
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:34.920
and we were there for two and a half hours

800
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.519
just laying there. So we feel the cooing, which was

801
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.519
just like if you saw like a hurt dog. Hey buddy, Hey,

802
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:45.360
what's going on buddy? We felt that was communication, but nothing,

803
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.920
no psychic impressions. No, I don't know how I support that,

804
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:54.400
just we just go that. The cooing was, hey, we're

805
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.440
just gonna we're just gonna check on you, and you

806
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:59.760
haven't moved in a while. Dogmen, on the other hand,

807
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:04.400
those ground us and I can't say anything psychic, just.

808
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:06.599
A lot of fear.

809
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.440
It makes sense, and thank you for answering that well, Darren.

810
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.280
I appreciate you coming on the show today. Is a

811
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.960
pretty cool one because it is definitely an ongoing investigation.

812
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:24.320
From what I would imagine, you guys are still going

813
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:28.880
there's no end in sight for this, I would imagine.

814
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:33.159
I certainly hope not, because I need to know more,

815
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.679
My team needs to know more, and we've been willing

816
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:42.000
to take more seasoned professionals out with us get a

817
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.960
better handle on what's going on. We put it out

818
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.519
there towards other people that deal and squatch and have

819
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.800
many more years of experience, and the offer always stands

820
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:55.880
to anybody that wants to go out. It's like, yeah,

821
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.039
come out with more about this than we do. We're

822
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:00.599
young in this profession. We'll get a time and a

823
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:01.480
place to meet us and.

824
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:01.880
We'll take you.

825
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:03.960
That's awesome.

826
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.360
At the end of our conversation here, you did mention

827
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.360
a little bit that it sounds like you do have

828
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:12.360
a YouTube channel. Is there a way then that people

829
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.360
can keep up to date with what you are doing?

830
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:18.760
Are you doing videos about this investigation anything?

831
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:24.039
I thought, yeah, we're The YouTube channel has a lot

832
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:28.840
of the Squatch videos, our outdoor stuff, our aeron normal stuff.

833
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.360
It's just everything is just a YouTube dot com slash

834
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:34.679
d became Investigations.

835
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:36.760
That's great.

836
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.000
I'll make sure to put that in the show notes

837
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:42.760
for the episode so people can check that out. But Darren,

838
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.639
thank you so much for coming on the show and

839
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:48.639
definitely keep us in the loop with what happens in

840
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:49.199
the future.

841
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:51.320
Thanks for having me.

842
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.199
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

843
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.480
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

844
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.239
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

845
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.119
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

846
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.440
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

847
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:13.440
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

848
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.760
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

849
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:20.400
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you

850
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.599
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

851
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.039
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

852
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.360
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

853
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:34.719
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

854
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.880
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

855
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:41.360
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

856
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:45.280
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

857
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.679
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

858
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:51.679
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

859
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:55.199
spiritual retreat, and you saw something that shook your faith.

860
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:59.000
Or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

861
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.400
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

862
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.239
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

863
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:12.519
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

864
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.400
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

865
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:21.360
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

866
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:22.480
We've got the mic.

867
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:24.840
See you in the woods.

868
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:27.440
Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot

869
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870
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.639
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871
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.320
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00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:35.400
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891
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