Dec. 1, 2025

Forager Encounters Giant Squatting Figure in the Hamma Hamma River | Washington

Forager Encounters Giant Squatting Figure in the Hamma Hamma River | Washington
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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Jeremiah Byron talks with Angel, a lifelong outdoorswoman from the Pacific Northwest, who shares multiple stunning encounters that changed the way she sees the woods forever. From strange predation events on a Deer Island, Oregon farm to a jaw-dropping sighting of a massive, dark, human-shaped creature crouched in the Hamma Hamma River in Washington, Angel walks us through the moments that made her question everything she thought she knew about the forest.


Her story continues deep in the Willamette National Forest near Sahalie Falls, where she and her husband were forced to shelter in their SUV after a series of chilling, escalating Bigfoot whoops echoed across the ridge—sounds identical to the legendary Sierra Nevada recordings.


Angel also opens up about the emotional impact of these encounters, the eerie radio interference she experienced afterward, and a surprising family connection: her father’s own Bigfoot sighting decades earlier in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest.


If you're looking for real Bigfoot encounters, Sasquatch sightings, and firsthand wilderness experiences from the PNW, this episode delivers one of the most compelling accounts yet.

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You're listening to Bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Pickflet Society. You've got

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the privilege of talking to Angel today. Angel is a

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listener from the Pacific Northwest on the YouTube side there,

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and she's got some interesting things to share from her

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time out there in the Pacific Northwest while she is

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out forging, rock hounting, hiking and doing all those great things.

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But welcome to the show, Angel, How are you doing today?

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I'm doing good, Excited to talk Bigfoot and just yeah,

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your perspective on some of my experiences too.

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Absolutely. Let me start out by asking you a question.

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Are you a lifelong Oregon native or did you end

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up moving out there?

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So I was born and raised in Washington State, in

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eastern Washington, but I've lived in eastern Washington, western Washington,

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Oregon coast, and just traveled all over. So I consider

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all of it my home.

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Fantastic and growing up out there. Has Bigfoot kind of

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been in the background all through growing up or did

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it kick in at a certain point in your life.

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I think it's so ingrained in our culture here in

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the Pacific Northwest. You see it everywhere, like bigfoot crossing

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signs all over the place, wood carvings, and I think

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for a long time like it was just in my mind.

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It's like a running joke. When you tell people you're

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from Washington, they're like, oh, cool, Bigfoot. So for me

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it was just, oh, it's just this thing that exists,

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and it's like a just funny thing. It wasn't really

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until I got a little bit older and I started

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to have some of my own experiences that I was like,

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wait a second, this might actually be real.

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Feel free to take us back to the first point

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where things started getting real for you on the big

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foot side, when you started to realize, hey, there's actually

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some things going on here.

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Yeah. So my first experience happened in Deer Island, Oregon.

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I was living and working on a like all natural

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organic farm. The farm actually had three separate properties, and

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the one that I lived on was about one hundred acres,

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so pretty big piece of land. And that land was

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split up into gosh, several different parcels with different fields

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that we would rotate all the animals through. And I

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originally had started living there in about twenty fifteen, and

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I had left and came back and decided I wanted

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to do it again. Just loved being out there, loved

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the lack connection with nature. And so I'm living on

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this farm and it's one giant house with a big

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wraparound porch. It was just the most picturesque type of

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house that you could imagine, and like I said, surrounded

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by wildlife. We had a barn with stabled horses and

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goats and sheeps and chickens and ducks and just the

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whole thing. So one night, around midnight, we were sitting

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outside this wrap around porch and we're on the back

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and I started to hear some kind of like what

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I thought was cougar noises, but honestly really as much

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as I've been in the woods, I've never heard or

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seen a cougar. So I was like, is that what

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I think it is? So I got inside and I

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grabbed my partner at the time, and I'm like, hey,

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we should go and check this out. This sounds weird,

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And so we drove around to see if there was

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anything around, if we could scare it off, and we

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didn't see anything. There was absolutely nothing. The animals were fine,

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they were chilling, and they were all accounted for. The

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one thing I thought was weird was the horses. They

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were pretty spooked, and the rest of the animals they

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were fine. That the horses, they're very emotionally intelligent animals,

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so that definitely kind of gave me a red flag.

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But we didn't see nothing. So we just went back home.

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We went to bed and thought nothing of it. And

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the next morning we went to open up the farm

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and feed all the animals his breakfast, and we noticed

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we had about seven or eight baby lambs missing, and

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we were just like, where could they have gone? Maybe

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they got scared. So we looked everywhere, and one hundred

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acres is quite a bit of land to look. This

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isn't all clear cut. There's woods and creeks and stuff

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throughout this property. So it took us quite a while

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to go through the property, and we contacted the neighbors

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and searched on their property as well, think it maybe

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maybe they just got spooked and ran away, But we

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found nothing, and my boss actually at the time was

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real freaked out. So we called Fish and Wildlife and

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had them come out and check for signs of predation.

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Maybe it was a bear, cougar, And so they came

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out and they looked. I walked them all across the

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property line and there's just absolutely nothing. There was no

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signs of struggle, no footprints, no blood, no hair, no

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just nothing. No holes in the fence, and so we're

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just stumped. The Fish and Wildlife guy, he just said, man,

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this is crazy. Even if it were a cougar or

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a bear, like, there's no way that they could have

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taken this many animals and there'd be no sign of struggle.

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It just doesn't make sense. And so my boss actually

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thought like maybe somebody came out and played cougar music

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or cute cougar noises and that maybe it was somebody

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had just stolen animals, and I was like, there's no

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way we're in the middle of nowhere unless somebody really

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knew that these animals were there. So we're just stumped,

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and we just decided, all right, we'll keep looking and

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go from there. Then a couple days later we noticed

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that right next to our house there was this garden

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bud and it was overgrown probably years had been sitting there,

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so it was basically just overgrown, dried up mud and

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clay basically, so it was hard and right at the

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entrance of the garden. I sent you the picture I

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think you saw. It was a perfectly shaped X with

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two sticks just jammed into there. In fact, it was

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so hard that the ground was so hard that I

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tried to get it up, and it took me a

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while to get it out of the ground because it

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was in there. And so that really freaked me out,

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and I went and talked to my boss and that's

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when she was like, that is a bigfoot thing, And

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so that's where the rabbit hole started.

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It's extremely weird. I definitely have a few questions for

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you about this first story. Can you explain actually I

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want to start here first, Deer Island, I'm looking at

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on a map. It's not actually an island that you're on.

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It's just the name of a town, right, It's.

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Just the name of a town. It's actually about fifteen

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miles away from Rainier, Oregon, which I know you've done

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several videos. In fact, I went and looked on the

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map to try to find some of the places that

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you've been talking about, and in fact they're pretty close.

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Absolutely. And the thing is that the area that I

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have talked to the gentlemen about Rainier is south a

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little bit of Verner up in the hills, I believe,

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so that makes it even closer to Deer Island, and

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there's other things going on in those hills that really

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these are things that I've been told offline, but I

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can say there's other things going on in this area

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of I would say ver near Deer Island over the

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Vernonia Mist has been brought up before. There was a

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researcher named Henry Franzoni that it was his thinking that

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there was a lot of underground activity with Bigfoot and

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other things over in the Mist area, which is west

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that forest there. So there's definitely some things going on

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in this area by the Columbia River. Now you said

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that you said that there was some interesting cougar noises

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going on. Can you explain the type of noises you heard,

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because there's many different sounds that a cougar can make.

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I think what I have first originally heard sounded like

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the noises of they say cougar makes a baby noise,

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like a baby crying kind of noise. So that was

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the first noise that I heard. But then after after

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I heard that noise because it freaked me out, I

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was like, what is that. I'd never heard that before,

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and so I had gone inside and was like, hey,

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it sounds like a baby crying like outside, and my

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partner was like, oh, that's a cougar, And so I

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had him come outside with me and we listened, and

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it turned from that cry to more of like a growl,

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but it was very deep, and so I was freaked

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out because we were on the porch and you really

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couldn't see from beyond the porch maybe but five feet,

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and it was just pitch black, and so I was like,

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all right, let's go, let's get in the car, let's

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let's get our gun. I don't feel safe just being

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right here.

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I don't blame you, and probably from your research. You've

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also found that baby crying noises or baby cries, that's

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the thing that's also reported with some bigfoot encounters as well,

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especially out there in the Pacific Northwest and southeast Alaska

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as well. A lot of people will say I heard

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I started to hear these baby cry noises. Sometimes it's

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almost like people are getting lured into the woods things

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like that. So I can see definitely how you guys

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were freaked out, especially if that changed into a growling

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noise for sure. The other thing that's really interesting about this,

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this hundred acre farm area is that you have horses

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on there, and horses are a thing where it definitely

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can attract bigfoot to the area. During your time there,

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did you ever notice any anything weird or how the

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ordinary with the horses? Let's say it that way.

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There was one particular horse who all of the horses

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were very affectionate. I got very close with all the horses,

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but there was one that was particularly always antsy around dinnertime.

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And we would start at the property that we lived

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at and we would start closing and feeding them food

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at night. So we would start there and we would

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make our way to the other properties, and by the

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time we got done, it would be dark. So there

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was one that, particularly at night, he would just be

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so nervous. He did not want to go into his stall.

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Any other time he was fine, but at night he

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did not want to go into his stall. And his

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stall was the furthest one that was like facing the

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rest of the property. So the barn was in, the

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house was at the front of this one hundred acres,

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and then the rest of the property went straight backwards.

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So you have a couple other fields on either side,

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and then some trees and a creek, and then a

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couple of hills and then another big giant field. Excuse me.

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So whenever we would go and bring him inside at night,

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it was a hassle.

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Every night I could get how he would be definitely

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freaked out in that corner of the farm. Were there

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ever any points where you would notice where you would

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notice strange things done to the horses, I guess you

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would say, main or hare there anything weird done to that?

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No, but I will say that we had like all

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of the horses, like tack and stuff was on the

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opposite side, and except for we would hook the harnesses

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and the entrance, and there would be multiple times where

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the like where the entrance was and where the stalls

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started was so far like there's no way the horses

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could have knocked it down. But we would come in

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and they would be all of them, like all six

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of the harnesses would be on the floor. So I

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don't know what could have done that. I just I

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think at the time, like there, I just chopped everything

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up to it's a farm, like just things happened.

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Absolutely, that's weird, but I can definitely get what you're

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saying there. And also to ask about this area, were

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there any stories or anything you experienced about other strange

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things that would happen on the farm, things not necessarily

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related to Bigfoot, but maybe lights or voices or anything

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of that nature.

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No, not that I can really think of.

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No, gotcha. And so this was really your first kind

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of on ramp into the Bigfoot activity and realizing, Okay,

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we got something going on out here. It's a little weird.

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So then after this, how did this affect the rest

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of your life or the time of your life immediately

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after did you start really looking into Bigfoot related things

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or kind of forget about it and come back later.

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What really stuck with me more so than anything, was

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seeing that X marked into the ground, and because I

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had been working in that garden and so I know

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it wasn't there, and I know it wasn't my partner

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I So that was what got me down the rabbit

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hole of what could have done this? So then I

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start looking up that Okay, that's something that bigfoot does.

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That's a bigfoot activity. And I wouldn't say that I

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completely forgot about it. I would say that when I

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was outside, when I was out in the mountains, in

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the forest, I was looking for signs like that. I

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was looking for signs of like structures, and I have

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found quite a few interesting structures, but none that really

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made me like this is crazy. Some that I'm like, Okay,

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that could be bigfoot. But it wasn't until I had

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the next experience that kind of was like, okay, putting

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two and two together, maybe there's something more to this.

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Absolutely, your eyes are starting to get open a little bit.

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It sounds feel free to share what happened next in

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your journey.

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My next experience happened near the Olympic Forest or I

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guess the Olympic Forest and out towards the Hammahamma River area.

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I had gone out there with a couple of my

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girlfriends and we had gone hiking and fishing, and we

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had just found a ton of ferries, all kinds of berries, huckleberries, blackberries,

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you name it. And so we just decided, all right,

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let's come back here before the summer ends, and we'll

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get a bunch of berries and we'll make a bunch

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of jam. And so about a week later, after we

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had gone on this camping trip, it was three of

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us girls, I had decided, all right, time's tiken, and

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I need to get out there if I want to

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make this jam. So I ended up driving out there

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out to the Hammahammer River and was going picking some

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berries and just man, it was getting late, but I

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was on a roll and was about to be dusk,

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but it was still about light enough for me to

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be able to see what I was doing. And I

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had been out there quite a few times, so I

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wasn't really I wasn't scared. I was pretty close to

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my car. I had my pistol on me, so I

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wasn't like scared or anything. But I figured it's probably time.

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I should probably head back. So I had made my

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way like up along the road and down the river

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bank and was getting about ready to leave. But I

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stopped at this little hole out on the road that

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had right before a bridge. So it was like this

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little area right by the river. It was just an

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awesome spot and the sun's going down and you can

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just smell all the beautiful smells. It was just amazing.

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And so I jumped out and grabbed my back my

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bucket and just started picking berries. And at some point

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I heard some splashing and I was close to the river,

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so I just thought, all right, yeah, it might be

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some fish or wrap bids or something. So I'm picking.

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I was probably there for about twenty minutes, and the

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whole time I, like I said, I wasn't really scared,

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but I did feel like I was being watched, and

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I felt like I was in the Druman Show. I

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was like, man, somebody's watching me. And so I ended

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up getting into my car. And when I get into

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my car, turn my car on and my lights flash,

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and my lights are flashing like directly into the river.

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And sitting in the middle of this river was this

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just huge black thing. And I could tell that it

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was some kind of animal because it was moving, it

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wasn't still. It was big, and it was black and

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it was hairy all over. And so when I get

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in my car I turned the lights on, I just

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immediately I'm frozen, and I'm like, I was standing just

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a couple meters away from a bear, and I was

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convinced in my mind, like this is a bear. This

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is a bear. And so I just got out of

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there as quickly as I could, and I just decided,

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all right, like that was a bear, like over and

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over again. But the weird thing is, and what really

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just scared me since shows up my spine, was that

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it was about fourty five feet tall, sitting down, oh,

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crouched down, not like a bear would crouch like it

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was squatting, like a humid wood squat. And I have

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seen bears in the wild. I've seen a lot of bears,

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and I've never seen a bear crouched down like that.

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And it looked like it was eating something maybe fit.

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But where it was in the river, both sides of

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the river were overgrown with berries, and it was just

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it would be a great place for a bigfoot to

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hang out, honestly, But I was so convinced in my

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mind that it had to have been a bear. When

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I was explaining this to a few of my friends,

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they were like, how big do you think it was?

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Like four to five feet? That doesn't that sounds pretty

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big for a bear if it was crouched down. Most

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black bears around here. We have black bears and grizzly

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bears in Washington State, and mostly grizzlies on the eastern

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part of the state, So the majority of what you're

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going to get is a black bear maybe one to

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three hundred pounds. This thing was definitely bigger than that.

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That's incredible. How far away from you would you say

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it was?

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When I was picking blackberries, I was probably two meters

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six feet, but you were six feart away from it.

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But I didn't know it was there. I didn't know

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it was there at the time. I didn't know it

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was there until I got into my car and turned

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the lights on, because it was just about dark enough

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where I really couldn't see where it was dark. I

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could see where it was light, but where anywhere where

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they shadow cast it was a little too dark. It

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was overgrown, and it wasn't until I got into the

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car that I realized, like, I was just so close

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to this thing.

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Absolutely when you're in the car. How far away would

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you estimate that was.

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Maybe about twelve feet?

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Okay, wow, you mentioned it was about four to five

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feet tall sitting down, I would imagine on a rock

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something like that. How wide a cross would you say

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it was?

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Oh? I mean at least three feet across? It was broad.

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How long do you think you were able to see it?

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For I? It's hard to say because in that moment,

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like it felt like forever, but it also felt like

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it was just so quick. The animal did not move

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when I saw it, it didn't move. I was the

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one who freaked out and drove away. The whole time,

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it seemed very like relaxed, like it wasn't in any

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harm or it wasn't like on alert at all.

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What were the main things that showed you that it

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was relaxed. Were there any specific things or it was

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just nonchalant.

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It felt like it was like he was sitting in

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the middle of the river on top of some rocks,

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because there was a little bit of a rapid area,

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and it was like he was crouched down with one

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of his legs hanging down, like off of the rock

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like a human would sit, and it was like he,

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I say, he, but who knows, right, I don't want

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to assume, but the creature reaches down and it's just

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he reaches down and then puts it in his mouth,

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so it was like he was just having a snack.

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And the whole time I don't know if the creature

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realized I was there until I got into my car,

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or if the whole time, like, yeah, I don't know,

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maybe he was not there the whole time. I have

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no idea.

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Gotcha, you were looking at definitely not wearing any clothes

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at all.

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Oh no, definitely not, gotcha. It was definitely hair, But

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it was like why I thought it was a bear

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was because it was so hairy that I was like,

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I don't know, what else is this hairy? Logically in

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my mind thinking about cryptids or anything like that. Just

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logically what's to the known world? I think is where

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my mind went. Was just trying to make sense of it.

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What color would you say the hair was? That you

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could see.

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It was very dark, but mind you, it was also

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dark outside, so what I saw it looked black, but

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it could have been dark brown.

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Gotcha, and what year would you say this? Probably?

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Was this happened in twenty twenty one? Okay, summer of

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twenty twenty one.

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Yeah, from what you could see, could you get a

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sense for the build of it at all? Was it

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more lean? Was it more muscular? Could you see anything

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like that?

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I couldn't see like definition, I would say. I would

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say that it was like I said, I've seen bears

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in the wild, and I've never seen a bear that

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looked this big, So it was pretty large.

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Gotcha. Have you been to a zoo and seen a

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large ape sitting down like a gorilla sitting down or

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a video of that?

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Yeah, I guess probably. I can imagine it in my mind.

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Is it similar? Is that similar to what you saw?

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Or was it different? In some ways?

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I would say I would say it was similar if

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I didn't if I didn't know any better, which I don't,

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I would say it was similar, although like I've never

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thought about it.

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Gotcha, the time that you're able to look at it,

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were you able to see any parts of the face

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or the head at all?

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I was able to see I couldn't make out the face,

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but I was able to see the shape of the head.

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And the head was more oblong than it is. Then

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I feel like a bear's head is.

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Okay? Gotcha? So not so much a rounded head, but

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maybe a taper shape at the top or got like

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a crust to it.

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Maybe yeah, I would say, definitely like figure the top

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and then going down. Gotcha. But definitely no, like you said,

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like a bear's hair head, you think of it as

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more of that round shape.

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Did you notice anything at the ordinary about its arms

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or its hands that you could see?

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I couldn't. Again, I couldn't see like much detail, but

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I did see it reaching into the water and then

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bringing that back up to its face and putting something

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in its mouth. And from where I was standing, obviously

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this is a couple of years ago, and when you

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think back on things hard to really picture it. But

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it didn't necessarily look like claws. Like the hands or

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the paws or whatever. They were pretty big.

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How big would you be able to estimate how wide across?

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The hands were much bigger than humans or human size or.

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I would say, mut of pretty small hands, so much

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bigger than my hands, But I would say bigger than

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the average man's hands. Gotcha.

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One more question about this sighting I'm going to ask

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it because someone's asked. You mentioned you really didn't see

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much about the face, but when you saw it bring

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something up to its mouth at any point, were you

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able to see any details about the mouth or the teeth.

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No, but I will say what I could see is

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a little bit of like the movement of how it

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was chewing, And it seemed to be more like how

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a human would chew than how like a bear would

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just tear it open or swallow it it whole. But

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it was like actually chewing. You could see.

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That's really cool. Yeah, I totally get it. Yep. So

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it's not like tearing something just right like you could

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fit in at a dinner table, or it could fit

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in a dinner table and not look weird.

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The way it was. It was like, like I said,

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like it felt in that moment like this animal, bear,

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creature whatever it was like didn't mind that I was there,

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and I obviously posed no threat, but it also didn't

464
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seem to pose any threat against me.

465
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:43.079
Absolutely. So a few things about afterwards after this sighting,

466
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.559
then you drive off and you're trying to go on

467
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.839
with your life. Were you did you have anything any

468
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.720
weird physical things? Come up after this or start to

469
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.680
experiencing start to experience any other weird things in the

470
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:00.000
week after you had this sighting.

471
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:06.960
Oh yeah, actually, okay, yeah. So when I was driving

472
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.400
back at the time, I was living in Chelton, so

473
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.720
the Hammahammer River area is probably like an hour from

474
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.680
where I was living. And so I was driving back

475
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:23.559
and my I had the radio turned on, and the

476
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:31.000
radio kept going It's hard to explain. I don't even

477
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:36.039
know how to explain it. But if you've ever listened

478
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.039
now this is getting a little bit more into like

479
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.680
more paranormal, but if you've ever listened to like people

480
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.640
using ghost boxes, I don't know if you know what

481
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:50.599
that is. Okay, cool, So when I was driving home,

482
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.000
my radio kept like going in and out of being

483
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.799
a radio station to sounding like that, which really freaked

484
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:03.440
me out o which I ended up getting out, like

485
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:06.000
stopping and getting out of the car because I was like,

486
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:10.799
what is happening? Heart racing and everything, and it took

487
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:12.880
me a while to get back into the car. And

488
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.640
then after that it didn't happen. But okay, that's like

489
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.200
the one and only time that's ever happened to me.

490
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.200
To explain, for people that are not really familiar with that.

491
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.599
So you're hearing a lot of static, but every once

492
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.559
in a while you're hearing a certain word or phrase

493
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.119
that comes out and they're not really connected.

494
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:31.599
Right.

495
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:41.599
Yeah, yeah, that's very weird. So was this usually when

496
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.000
there's a person that's had interactions with Bigfoot? Was this

497
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.640
the time in your life where you're like, Okay, I'm

498
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.200
at the point it's one hundred and ten percent, I

499
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.880
just saw something. Everything is totally changed. Now, everything's different.

500
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:56.799
How did this affect you afterwards?

501
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.759
I don't know if I don't know if I've ever

502
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:08.880
had that exact kind of moment or feeling, because I've

503
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.440
always just stayed open to the fact that there's so

504
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:15.920
much that we don't know, and so it didn't really

505
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.079
surprise me as much as it was like more kind

506
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:23.640
of confirmation that, yeah, man, there really is so much

507
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.839
that we don't know and so much that is unexplored

508
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:31.599
that's just sitting so close to us and we don't

509
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:32.559
even know it.

510
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.160
That's awesome. I really like that. So at this point, then,

511
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:43.200
are you launching into trying to figure out what it

512
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.440
is that I saw or you're just going along with

513
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.160
life Hey, that was a fun experience. Let's keep going.

514
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:53.799
Oh no, I'm like full fledged, Like I am all

515
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:58.480
in on all the Facebook groups in Washington. I'm listening

516
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:04.880
to podcasts and videos and sounds, and I continue to

517
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.000
forage and hike and do all the things that I

518
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:13.440
love to do. But I just also look for signs

519
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:17.480
here and there while you're out doing these things. It's

520
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:22.320
cool when your compound, your hobbies start to compound, Like

521
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:26.159
you're going rock hounding, but you're also looking for Bigfoot exactly,

522
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:30.559
you're looking for mushrooms. In fact, I'm going right after

523
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.639
this and going out to Olympic National Forest to go

524
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:38.159
look for mushrooms and who knows what else I'll find.

525
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.760
Wow, what a really cool story so far. That is

526
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:47.000
an awesome sighting That you have another thing that happens

527
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.119
to you after this point that that you'd like to

528
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:50.760
share as well.

529
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:58.400
Correct, Yes, yeah, and this happened about August twenty twenty four,

530
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:03.639
so last year. Now, I knew a lot about Bigfoot,

531
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:07.239
but I honestly didn't really know a ton about Oakridge,

532
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.599
So I didn't know at the time how close I

533
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:14.000
was to Oakridge. I didn't even know how big of

534
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:18.000
a hot spot. It was you just hear everywhere up

535
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:20.599
here as a hot spot. So I didn't really think

536
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:24.559
twice about that. But my husband and I had gone

537
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.000
down to Oregon to go camping. We currently live here

538
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:33.199
in Washington, so we had gone down and it was

539
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.559
his first summer actually in the country. He's from Argentina,

540
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.599
so I wanted to take him to all of my

541
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:43.480
favorite spots. So I was taken him all over Washington,

542
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.960
all over Oregon, and wanted to go take him to

543
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.400
the Terwilliger Hot Springs and explore around Blue River Lake

544
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:57.079
and just get like a different perspective of the Pacific Northwest.

545
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.679
We just wanted to hike and take some cool pictures photographers.

546
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.440
So we just enjoy getting out and so we drive

547
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.880
down there. We're about seven hours in. We didn't know

548
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.280
at the time that there's a wildfire that was right

549
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.480
where we wanted to camp, and so we didn't know

550
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.800
that until we about got there. And we got there,

551
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:23.519
it was probably about seven PM, so it was still

552
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:25.760
light out. It was in the middle of summer, but

553
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.920
it was starting to get time where we needed to

554
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.920
go and find a place to camp. And the place

555
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:35.239
that we were going to camp was no longer an option.

556
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.280
We searched all around that area to try to find

557
00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:41.920
a campsite, but there was pretty much people in every

558
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:45.880
spot that we looked, so we ended up just wasting

559
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.159
a bunch of time. And by that time, it was

560
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.400
probably like eight o'clock, and I'm like, all right, we

561
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.360
need to go find just a spot to set up

562
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.000
camp and we'll find somewhere else to stay for the

563
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:01.559
weekend tomorrow. So we went and we drove up Santiam

564
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:04.480
Highway and ended up going up a couple of different

565
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:09.760
forest service roads. And we go up this road and

566
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:13.079
we're going pretty much as far as what my car

567
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.480
can take. I drive an suv, so we're doing okay,

568
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.400
but we can't four by four by any means. And

569
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.840
so we get up to the top of this mountain

570
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.519
and basically we're as far as where our car can

571
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.400
take us. And we'd stop driving because there was like

572
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.199
ditches and some fallen trees, and we just said, all right,

573
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:37.679
this is a good place to camp. Nobody can go

574
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.480
beyond here, so there shouldn't be any through traffic. It

575
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:44.440
should be good. Let's set up camp and make a

576
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.440
fire and have dinner and get to bed, basically because

577
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.599
we wanted to get up in the morning and find

578
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.360
like the camp where we were going to stay for

579
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.760
the weekend. And so we set up camp and made

580
00:37:55.760 --> 00:38:00.360
a dinner. We made some steak and potatoes and all

581
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.719
comfy around the fire and we were just hanging out

582
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:09.920
and we started to hear this noise and my husband

583
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.760
was the one who pointed it out, and I at

584
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.119
first I thought he was joking, and I was like,

585
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.400
I don't know what you're talking about. I don't hear anything.

586
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:24.679
So we turned the music off and this noise was loud,

587
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:29.039
but it was something that I had never heard before,

588
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.800
and it was like a whooping sound. And as we're

589
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:37.519
hearing it, you can tell that it's far away but

590
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:44.000
still loud enough where we can hear it, and it

591
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:49.039
was getting louder and louder, and so I'm like freaking

592
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:51.239
out at this point, and I'm like, I don't know

593
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.480
what this is. I've been out here in the woods

594
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.639
Pacific Northwest my whole life and I've never heard this.

595
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.639
It's not any kind of bird or any kind of

596
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:06.559
any animal that I've ever heard or seen here. And

597
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:11.880
I'm getting freaked out. And typically I'm not the one

598
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.960
to get freaked out. Typically, I'm let's go investigate, let's

599
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.800
see what's going on. But this was really freaking me out.

600
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:21.760
So I get in the car and my husband's still

601
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:25.320
outside and he's around the fire and he's listening to

602
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.400
the whooping sound and it's just getting louder and louder,

603
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.079
and at this point I'm like screaming at him, get

604
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:35.880
in the car, Get in the car. I don't know

605
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.280
what this is. I have my gun right next to me.

606
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.960
I have no idea is as a person whatever. It

607
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:45.079
was so loud that we could hear it, even though

608
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.400
you could tell it was probably at least hundreds of

609
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:53.639
feet away. It was just it was crazy. So we

610
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:57.760
got in the back of the suv and fell asleep,

611
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.440
and just in the morning we packed up all of

612
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:03.800
our stuff and we got out of there as quickly

613
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:08.519
as we could. But one thing I forgot to put

614
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.800
in my email to you that I just remembered. Now,

615
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.400
in the morning, we woke up and we packed all

616
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.559
of our stuff, and as we were getting ready to leave,

617
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.400
there was this truck that drove up there and drove

618
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:25.760
over to where you could no longer drive anymore. There

619
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.440
was some down trees in a creek, and he drove

620
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:33.039
up there and he just sat there where you could

621
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.119
see the mountain ridge, and he was just sitting there

622
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:40.519
with binoculars. And I didn't really think much of it.

623
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.679
But now looking back, I'm thinking, I don't know, maybe

624
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:46.639
he knew something was up there.

625
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:56.960
That had to been an extremely stressful situation. My goodness,

626
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:04.119
that area is wild. You are the Santiam Highway that's

627
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:06.840
up by sweet Home and Cascadi.

628
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.800
Let me look at the map because I've got it

629
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:14.400
marked here. I was off of National Forest Road twenty

630
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:20.320
six seventy two, so I believe that it's close to

631
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:28.239
their Sweet Home. Actually, yeah, closer to closer to Highway

632
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.119
one twenty six, so right there by let's say Clear Lake.

633
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:40.920
Oh and Sahali Falls, So right up there in those mountains.

634
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.400
If you look at where Sahali Falls is and you

635
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.559
just look to the left of there, you can see

636
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.000
a mountain range there. We were right there.

637
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.480
Okay, so you're left. So if you continue to go

638
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.119
west of Sahali Falls, that's the area you were. Yeah, okay,

639
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.360
I've driven that and that's extreme wild, my goodness. And

640
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.039
Clear Lake has stuff going on, Fish Lake has stuff

641
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:09.599
going on. That whole area is just pretty wild. Wow,

642
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.079
I'm not surprised that you were. You're having stuff going on,

643
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.079
especially when you've had those fires, which I believe the

644
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:20.199
fire you're talking about was that south of you guys

645
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:24.760
down like bell Knap Springs. Yeah, area exactly exactly what

646
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:25.360
you're talking about.

647
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.480
Okay, interesting, And at the time I didn't know that was.

648
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.639
I didn't know how close Oakridge was or like I said,

649
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:38.480
how just renowned it is for bigfoot sightings. And it

650
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.039
wasn't until I was listening to a couple of your

651
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:45.000
podcasts and wait a second, that is pretty close to

652
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.159
where we were, and some of these experiences are pretty similar.

653
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.559
Oh one hundred percent. The thing about this will lam

654
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:57.280
At National Forest Area is literally you can just throw

655
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:00.599
a dart at a map and it would be like,

656
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.320
that's the area it's going from, really the whole cascades,

657
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.000
going all the way up to Mount Hood and then

658
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.000
you've got you go all the way down to Odell Lake.

659
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:11.920
But then just keep you keep going, and you keep

660
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.960
going and everything is just bigfoot encounters. I'm looking at

661
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.960
my map on Bigfociety podcast Dot com and it's just

662
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:22.679
so many experiences in that area. When you said you

663
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.840
so you heard a whoop, you heard multiple whoops, very loud,

664
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:32.199
very close. Have you ever tried to find sounds that

665
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:35.480
are similar to that or listen to things like a

666
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:37.719
given in the zoo and been like, oh, it sounds

667
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:38.360
like that, not.

668
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.280
Oh absolutely. That was the first thing I did as

669
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.280
soon as we got reception. Actually was I looked up,

670
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:51.280
like all the animals in that area, and I started

671
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:55.320
one by one listening to their calls and as many

672
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:59.400
as I could find, at least on YouTube. And it

673
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:03.119
wasn't until I was listening to some bigfoot videos of

674
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.760
some sounds, and I think I sent you one of

675
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:10.000
the videos there. But it was this Yerra Nevada video

676
00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.719
of the whooping that I was like, man, that is

677
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:19.039
exactly what we heard in like, nothing can convince me otherwise,

678
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:20.639
like that is the same animal.

679
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:25.599
That's incredible. You mentioned that. So you ended up both

680
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.119
going to sleep in the back of the truck or

681
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:34.039
suv afterwards. Was it hard to get to sleep or

682
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:35.679
was it a thing where you guys were able to

683
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:36.880
get to sleep pretty quickly.

684
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:43.000
I think my husband knocked out pretty quickly. I was

685
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.519
wide awake, and I had the moon roof open so

686
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.480
I could just see all the stars, and I had

687
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:52.880
cracked my window just a little bit so I could

688
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.559
if I could hear anything. And after we got into

689
00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:00.119
the car, it was like it quieted down. So I

690
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:04.519
don't know if maybe we were disturbing them, or we

691
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:06.880
were a little too close or what it was, but

692
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.000
it seemed like after we got in the car and

693
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:13.159
we kind of settled ourselves down, that like everything else

694
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:14.079
settled down.

695
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:17.559
To gotcha, that kind of makes sense too. Oh, when

696
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.079
you're up in this area, were there any times where

697
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:28.000
the sounds or smells of the forest became something that

698
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:29.559
you didn't expect?

699
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:33.920
Like I said, when we calmed down, everything calmed down,

700
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.800
and all the like crickets and stuff started cricketing again,

701
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.800
the frogs started frogging, like all the normal noises that

702
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:46.519
you hear in the forest. When that whooping was happening

703
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.760
was not there, Like it was silent. Okay, besides that

704
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.920
in wings and as soon as we got in the car,

705
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:58.480
my husband knocked out. I've sat there and I just

706
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.920
waited until I heard like that normal sounds of nature

707
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:07.960
come back, and it was like, Okay, now I can

708
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:09.079
relax a little bit.

709
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.840
Absolutely. When you're out there in the woods and everything

710
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:16.239
just shuts down and there's no sound at all, it's

711
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:20.159
very disconcerting. I don't know if you experienced too. It's

712
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.159
like almost the pressure sometimes in your ears starts to change.

713
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.360
It's very weird. It's hard to explain until you've been

714
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:27.159
in that situation.

715
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.079
I think absolutely.

716
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.599
Your husband, of course is not here, But how did

717
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:38.320
he take the whole experience, especially being from Argentina and

718
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:42.599
this is his first time going into different places like

719
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:46.239
this in the Pacific Northwest, and then you first first

720
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.079
times and you experience something like this, Like, how did

721
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:49.880
that affect him?

722
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.320
I don't think that he was quite as freaked out

723
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:58.119
until he saw how freaked out I was. Like, I

724
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.920
think at first he thought like that it was like

725
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:03.360
a funny, like it's an animal, but we didn't know

726
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:06.559
what it was. But then when he saw the way

727
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:10.920
that I reacted, because he knows like, I am very

728
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:12.960
used to being in the woods, and I'm very used

729
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.360
to being in the woods alone. A lot of times

730
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:20.199
I go out hiking foraging, sometimes with people, but a

731
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:24.639
lot of times it's alone and so the way that

732
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.119
he saw me react, I think told him like, okay,

733
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:30.960
I need to get in the car, like this is

734
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:35.000
something serious. Definitely freaked him out, but I don't think

735
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:39.519
it scared him away. Now would he want to go

736
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.440
in and seek it out? I don't think so.

737
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:49.400
Gotcha after this experience, which was pretty intense. It's a

738
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.840
little different than your sighting, where that was very low key.

739
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.400
You're just watching it and then you drive off, But

740
00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:00.960
this is something coming towards you very overwhelming. How were

741
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.000
you affected after this whole ordeal?

742
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:09.280
I think in the moment it scared me, probably more

743
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:15.599
than I've ever been scared. But afterwards it was like

744
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:21.280
an adrenaline rush, like I wanted to find out more,

745
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:25.840
like what did I experience and talk to other people

746
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.760
that have had similar experiences. It's like it almost becomes

747
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.920
like addicting. No.

748
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:39.519
One hundred is I can tell you that as well. Yeah,

749
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:44.480
it's the quest for the information that we can't find

750
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.000
on the internet, and I think that might have something

751
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.079
to do with it. Where there's not many things that

752
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.039
you can't find the answer for anymore, and when you

753
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.199
have those things like Bigfoot, where other crypt is it Bigfoot?

754
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.679
Is a big one gets so so addictive because and

755
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.519
then you're like, oh, we can cross look at this

756
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:06.119
dot on the map here, and this dot on the

757
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.239
map here. There's probably more things going on here. Let's

758
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.599
check it out. Have you gotten then to the point

759
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.760
where you're like going out looking yourself or it's just

760
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:17.159
as you go out look for mushrooms and foraging, it's

761
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:18.960
right there in the back of your mind, and you're

762
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:20.719
prepared for things to happen.

763
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.840
Yeah, I think that it's always right there. I think that,

764
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:30.840
especially when you go into the woods, especially by yourself,

765
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:34.000
I think you always have to be prepared for whatever

766
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:38.320
is going to happen. But there's also I think a

767
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.840
sense of like calm in being in nature that at

768
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:48.280
least from my experience, I'm a five to one, one

769
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:51.360
hundred and ten pound girl, so I'm not a threat

770
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:56.039
and I feel I feel that energy whenever I have

771
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:01.159
had these experiences that like that they don't see me

772
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.199
as a threat, So there's a little bit more like trust,

773
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:06.400
If that makes sense.

774
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.519
Absolutely I agree with you on that. And also I

775
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:17.079
could say I know that there are at these situations

776
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:22.280
I've been in where if there are females present, especially

777
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.000
certain types of females, there can be way more activity.

778
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:29.400
It's very interesting. So I think that female presence but

779
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.840
also maybe a certain type and I don't know if

780
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.079
I can go into any more than that, but it

781
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:39.320
does need to attract activity and curiosity, which is very

782
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.559
interesting and hopefully one of those things that can be

783
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:47.440
studied one day. But Angel, what a fascinating conversation. Thank

784
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:49.920
you for coming on the show and for sharing what

785
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:53.280
you've experienced up there in Washington and Oregon over the years.

786
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.079
And I just want to make sure that you were

787
00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:58.719
able to share everything that you had come prepared to

788
00:50:58.760 --> 00:50:59.320
share today.

789
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.519
Something that I just as we're talking about this and

790
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.440
things are just coming into my mind is it's almost

791
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.679
like things come full circle and it's, oh, okay, that

792
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:13.639
makes sense. That makes sense. I just remembered when I

793
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:18.280
was a little girl. Now, my dad, he grew up

794
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:21.199
in the sixties and the seventies and was a big

795
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.119
part of the music scene and sex, drugs and rock

796
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.039
and roll was the thing. But my dad was also

797
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:32.679
an avid just outdoors and hunter, fish or hiker, all

798
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:37.360
the things. And I remember being a little girl and

799
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:43.079
my dad telling me about his encounter with Bigfoot, and

800
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:47.239
at the time I didn't believe him. But as I've

801
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.760
had these experiences. Now my dad's passed away about ten

802
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.639
years ago, but as I've had these experiences, it's almost

803
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.719
been like a I told you. So It's just ironic

804
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:02.480
how kind of full circle this all is, of being

805
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.599
told that as a little kid and not necessarily believing,

806
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:11.239
but then actually going out and having these experiences for

807
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:14.599
yourself without necessarily really trying.

808
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.960
I'm sorry that you did lose your father, but that

809
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.760
is very interesting that he was able to share that

810
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.760
with you as well. So he was able to have

811
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.960
an actual sighting. Is that anything you'd be able to share?

812
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:35.440
Not to be super forward about.

813
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:39.079
It, but yeah, I can share with you what I

814
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:42.480
remember of the story. Of course, like I said, this

815
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.039
was told to me probably twenty five years ago. But

816
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:50.280
my dad and his best friend were out in the

817
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:56.599
Gifford Pinchit National Forest and they were camping, and they

818
00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:00.360
had gone to bed, and my dad and his best friend,

819
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:03.000
and like I said, they were definitely in the music scene.

820
00:53:03.039 --> 00:53:06.039
They were definitely partying. And I think this is why

821
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.000
I thought you're making this up, because I was like,

822
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:13.400
you're probably smoking the wacky Tobacci or doing something crazy.

823
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:19.920
But they started hearing some like strange noises, so they

824
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:25.159
got up and they saw a creature standing at the

825
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.239
edge of the tree line where their campsite was, and

826
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:33.079
they got back in their tent and were scared. And

827
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.559
that was the story that I can really remember. But

828
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:41.800
I know that it was in that Gifford Pinchant National Forest,

829
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.119
and I know that there's quite a bit of activity

830
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.119
there too. Oh.

831
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:52.519
Absolutely, giffincho that could be anywhere from Mount Saint Helen's

832
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:57.159
over to Mount Adams and everywhere in between.

833
00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.480
Definitely closer to that a Mount Saint Helen's area.

834
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:05.639
That makes perfect sense. Then there's so many things that

835
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:09.360
have happened in Mount Saint Helens. It is a cool

836
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.840
connection that you do have to your father, where both

837
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:16.000
of you were able to have a sighting of something

838
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.800
that is very rare to be able to have the

839
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:21.960
sighting of a bigfoot. So it's cool that you have

840
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:26.639
that connection between the two of you there in memory.

841
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.239
But Angel, thank you so much for coming on the

842
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:33.320
show today. It has been a privilege to talk to

843
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.840
you and definitely keep us in the loop if you're

844
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.320
out there forging or picking mushrooms and you have other

845
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.079
things happen, feel free to reach out. We'd love to

846
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.800
hear about it. And thank you for chatting today.

847
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:50.760
Oh absolutely, thank you Jeremiah for just all the work

848
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.480
that you're doing for this and helping normal people feel

849
00:54:54.480 --> 00:55:00.000
like they're not crazy. Absolutely appreciate your time and thank you.

850
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.320
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

851
00:55:04.400 --> 00:55:07.599
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

852
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:11.360
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

853
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:14.239
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

854
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:17.519
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

855
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:20.559
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

856
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.840
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

857
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:27.559
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've

858
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.719
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

859
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:34.119
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

860
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.480
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense,

861
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:41.400
if you're in the logging industry on a remote oil

862
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:44.639
field or a trucker with government contracts and you've had

863
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:48.320
something happen that you've never told a soul, and if

864
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.000
you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher

865
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.760
under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

866
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:58.800
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

867
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:02.320
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

868
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.119
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

869
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.519
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

870
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:14.320
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

871
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.679
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

872
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.519
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

873
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:28.440
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

874
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.679
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

875
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:35.599
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

876
00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:38.079
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

877
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:41.239
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

878
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.159
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

879
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887
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:10.079
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888
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:13.719
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889
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895
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896
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.559
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897
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.360
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898
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