Nov. 29, 2025

Quadrupedal Sasquatch Stalks Deer Near Owensboro, Forcing a Harrowing Escape!

Quadrupedal Sasquatch Stalks Deer Near Owensboro, Forcing a Harrowing Escape!
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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, witness John Reiners—a registered RN and the author of Crouching Behemoth: Quadrupedal Sasquatch—shares one of the most detailed quadrupedal Bigfoot encounters ever recorded.


On November 17, 2020, while driving toward Rough River Lake near Owensboro and Breckenridge County, Kentucky, John witnessed a massive buck enter the roadway, panting and distressed. Seconds later, he observed two large gold eyes shimmering from a ravine. A spider-crawling, gray-skinned quadrupedal Sasquatch emerged, stalking the deer before rising smoothly onto two legs and pursuing it at full speed.


John’s account also touches on regional Bigfoot activity tied to the Ohio River, Green River, Mammoth Cave system, and nearby Ohio County. Additional sightings discussed include incidents from Scotts Road in Indiana (1996) and the Pearl River Basin in Louisiana (2022)—all of which appear in his book.


This is an essential listen for anyone interested in spider-crawl Bigfoot, predatory Sasquatch behavior, all-fours locomotion, and rare eyewitness encounters.

Get your copy of John's book here: https://amzn.to/4a3pgA0 (Amazon affiliate link that helps support the podcast)


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You're listening to Big the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big the Society. I've

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got the privilege of talking to mister John Reiners today.

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John is the author of a newer book, Crouching Behemoth,

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Quadrupedal Sasquatch, which was a fascinating read, and we'll talk

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all about it. But welcome to the show. John. How

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are you doing today, sir, Well, I'm doing fine.

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I'd challenge you to say the name of the book

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three times fast.

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I got it one.

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There's a reason I'll get into why I'm name just well.

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And I really appreciate Jeremiah the opportunity to come on here.

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I've enjoyed the show for a long time.

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Oh, thank you, and I've got my copyright here. Is

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very cool. Even even signed love that. But it's very cool, man,

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It is cool. Well, I'll talk about it for a

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few minutes. So I went into it, and it blew

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me away by the amount of witness accounts that you

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have in it that I had not heard. When I'm

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thinking of big foot books that have really good encounters

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in there that you've never heard, I would say it's

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up there top three, to be honest, And so I mean,

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hats off to you, dude. I only recognized probably one

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of them, and that was a net from Oregon, who

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have actually been able to speak with on the show.

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But I was like, wow, these are these are incredible

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and I've never heard them in Your writing style is

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very cool. It's very like we're just talking back in

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and so so hats off to you. And you've got

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some great interviews in there with people that listeners would recognize,

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and we'll talk about that later at least one of them.

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But you know, John, I got to ask you, what

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was it that that led you to write this book

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and to gather all these encounters to begin with.

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Okay, well, I had an unusual encounter. I guess I

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should start. My encounter happened on November seventeenth, twenty twenty,

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and by trade, I'm an RN And you asked about

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the detailed, the detailed stuff in the book. I think

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that's where I get it because be prior to that,

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I was in the Coastguard. So between Coastguard training and

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being a nurse for so long, you get used to

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being detail oriented. So I had this encounter i'll get

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I'll touch on that in a minute. But the reason

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I did the book. I saw this thing and I

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was on my way to the cab and what had

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happened On that night? I worked the night shift at

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the hospital. At that point. You know, COVID was in

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full swing, so I was working on an immune compromise

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unit as well as on the COVID floor. So whenever

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I would leave the COVID floor that morning, I would

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get swabbed and then they would check it out to

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make sure I was safe to go back to the

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other unit where there's immune compromise on cancer patients and

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so forth. And that afternoon, it was like five PM.

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I got up, was getting ready for work. My phone rings.

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I get a call from the hospital. They tell me, well,

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you're positive, you can't come in tonight. So I'm like, well,

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oh boy. And so at that time it was early

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on they told me that you have to quarantine for

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seven days. Well, at the time, my father in law

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was living with us. He was getting frail as pre

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nursing home. So we were going between my wife's sister,

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you know, sharing him for a month at a time

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to you know, kind of spread out the caregiver stress.

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And I felt like, oh boy, I don't know if

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I got it that day at work or before. So

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I was worried that he might have contacted it, which

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would have been a really deal. So at the time,

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they weren't home. So I called my wife and they

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were out shopping and I said, you guys better go

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get swabbed. I've got it quarantine. So we have a

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little cabin at rough River Lake, which I'm in Owensboro, Kentucky.

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So Rough River is about fifty eight miles. So that

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was my plan. I said, well, you know what, I

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was working on a fishing book at that point, and

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I figured, well, I'll use the seven days. I'll go

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quarantine at work. On my fishing book more than just fishing,

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and so on. The way up here, it was by

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this time it was probably I left Owensboro about nine,

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So you're looking around nine point thirty. And if you

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get on Google, you'll be attle to see the site

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and you can find where I'm talking about. Fifty four

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east heads out of Owensboro and you're going towards rough

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River Lake. But when you get up to this town,

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you'll see a small bird called Fordesville. You get to

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Fordesville in Highway two sixty one runs north from there,

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So I turned there and go north. Well, stretch is

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about eleven mile stretch till you get t one O five.

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That ten mile stretch, well maybe it's about eleven miles.

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I think I've metered it out. But ten miles of

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it tavy woods and then you get into one mile

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the last mile it breaks into farmland and then you

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get to one O five. I head south to the

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Rot Lake. It's about seven more miles till I get

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to the lake. So I was kind of daydreaming and

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just driving along. I get on two sixty one north

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and I go through all the wooded area. If you've

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got to be really vigil in that area. I almost

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hit a horse one time. A horse got out on

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the road. You never know what's going to get out

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on the road. Some of these farmers and the distance

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have animals livestalk I've seen on the road. So as

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I get close to the edge of the woods, when

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I get to that last mile I spoke about, there's

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a ravine of trees that follow along the left side

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of the road. There's a farmer's field that it stands

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beyond that that breaks in between two rows of trees.

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and about thirty yards beyond that, you have a second

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ravine that goes maybe a hundred yards further. So that's

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on the left side of the road. On the right side,

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you have woods that come right up to the road

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for a little bit further and then it breaks off

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in a farmer's field on that So, as I'm coming

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down the road, I see the size shine on the

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right side of the road. He was white and made

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a tint and so anyway, so this big buck comes

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right up onto the road. And when I say a

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big buck this, I've seen smaller deer mounted on a wall.

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It had at least five times on each side. A

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really well antlered buck, pretty good size too. But he

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comes up on the road and just stops. But he's

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not staring at me. He's looking off to the left.

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And so as I was going fifty five at the time,

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it's just a two lane real highway at this time

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of night, there's very little traffic. So as this buck

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comes up, it stops. I'm trying to figure out what's

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this buck doing, and I'm looking at him, and he's

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not really looking at me too much, but it appeared

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like he was panting kind of heavily. So as I'm approaching,

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I slow down, slow down, slow down. And as I'm

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slowing down, I mentioned that second row, second ravine that

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was extended one hundred yards beyond. Something catches my eye

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over there as I'm getting closer. You know how your

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headlights shine that goes off to the side, it starts

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illuminating as you're coming up. So what catches my eye

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is two gold eye shine. And when I say two

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gold eye shine, I'm talking about a predator, because you

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know how deer they'll have monocular vision where it's on.

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This is a binocular vision head on when you see that,

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you you generally think predator right away. My first thought

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was mountain lion. But my god, these eyes are huge,

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and because I've seen mountain lions before. And the thing is,

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as I'm getting up to this deer now I'm almost

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stopped because he's not moving, and then I realize he's

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not watching me because he's looking over at what I'm

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looking at on the left. So as this thing it's

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facing me, it's coming towards me. But what was unreal

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about it? It was about three to four feet off

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the ground, and I saw a face, not a face

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like a wild animal, and it wasn't human, but it

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had gray skin, and it had the two gold eyes

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that were shimmering in or the shimmering in my in

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my headlight's the orange color. And then it looked like

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it had kind of a boxer's kind of a pug nose,

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and I could see lips. I didn't see teeth. I

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wasn't close enough to see that, but you could see

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like a mouth area, and the skin looked gray, and

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it had a receiving hairline kind of like I did,

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where the hair cane like just down maybe a couple

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of inches above the brow ridge and it wasn't really conical.

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It was slightly conical, but the best I could describe

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the head shape. If anybody's ever seen brock Lesnar, the

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All Star wrestler, I wouldn't say this just face he'd

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kill but hopefully to god he's not listening to find

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them open. He's a thousand miles away. But his head

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with shape like that, and you couldn't really see anything

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else other than it looked I'll tell you why. I

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know they were arms, but at the time I didn't.

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I saw two limbs splay out and two other in

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the back, and it was moving like a spider, kind

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of like like this coming towards me slowly, and so

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I was like, by this time, I'm almost stopped. I'm

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just looking at this thing in amazing but trying to

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figure out what I see. So as I'm comprehending this,

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I looked back over at this buck because I start

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to see movement. Well, this buck, I would say the

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this creature was probably at my nine o'clock. Well, this

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buck takes off at about eleven o'clock in my position,

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and that's out into this open farmer's field, and I'm

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thinking what is this thing doing. And I didn't know.

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He just didn't go back to the right. So this

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spider that's walking towards me sees the deer on the move,

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It turns and now it's running. It started as a

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gallop and it's at a full speed run. And I

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don't have any doubt that on all fours it was

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going to catch this deer. But what happened next was

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really amazing. As I could still see it. It went

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up smoothly as it's running on four, up on two.

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And I've heard of other people saying they've seen the

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opposite where they've gone on two and dropped to four.

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This was on four. He rises up to two, and

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I don't know why. At first, well, he was going

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to catch it on four, I wonder why. So after

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a while I contemplated what I believe was going on.

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I think that this this sasquatch. What I knew after

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it stood up. I think that he was wary of

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the bucks horns, and I think that from what I've

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done from research, I find out a lot of times

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they'll wring their neck, and that their safety conscious and

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analytical enough. I think he went up so his head

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would be higher than the deer's head, so you wouldn't

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get times in the eyes, because on all four there

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was a possibility if you go tackle something, you're gonna

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get them horns right in your face. So that's what

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I think happened. So anyway, so at this point I'm stopped.

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I just said, I'm gonna roll my window down and

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see if I can hear anything this. I was just amazed. Well,

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I didn't didn't have it down very long. I hear

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a crash off to my right, so I didn't even

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think about that, And so what it was, I don't

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know if it was a branch coming through, a creature

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smashing through, or a tree being ripped down. It was

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a loud crash, so I thought there's another one in there.

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So I was in the sixth cylinder Ford F one

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fifty at the time, so I couldn't really squeal too fast,

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but I got there out of there as quick as

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I could. Well later on what I figured happened this year.

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The reason he was panting when he got on the road.

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I think there was another one that had been stalking

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this buck for god knows how long, and I think

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the plan was for it to come right across the

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highway and wandering out for safety into that second rare,

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being a trees that was sticking out, and that's where

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the other one was on all fours, and I think

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he was on fours to be stealthy and not easily

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seen and be able to just tag that deer as

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soon as he got close without having to work too

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hard for it. I think they were hunting in Tanhem

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is what happened. I just came along at the bad time,

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and I think that the deer stopped because he saw

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an opportunity. I think he realized he was being stalked.

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He must have, because he was panting like he'd been

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chased for a while. And I don't know if he

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wanted me to just hit him and end it, or

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if he figured maybe the creature would leave him alone

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after the car was there. But so after that, I

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got down another mile and when I got to one

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oh five south, right there there's this little intersection called Mcquitie.

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If anybody google's the Earth, they could see there's a

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little post office. There's a little bit bit more building

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there now at that intersection, but at this time there

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wasn't as many buildings, but there was a little post

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office trailer in there, and at this point I'm kind

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of scared, and I guess I had to do a

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welfare check on my breeches and make sure everything was cool,

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and my heart rate slowed down, and I was contemplating,

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this is what's stupid. I almost wiped out the gene

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pool of my family. I was dumb enough to think

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I'm going to drive back there with my hidings on

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and see, like go to an angle and see if

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anything's illuminated up in this field, and see if I

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could see these creatures eating this deer. Well before I

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did something stupid. All of a sudden, I hear Jake

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Brakes of this big semi coming down north on the

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highway and or I guess he'd be west and he

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was going to go right past the sighting. So at

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that point I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna

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get onto the cab and this isn't right. And then

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I figured later seven days later, when I came back

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through in the daylight, I would look out in that

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field and see it was private property, so I couldn't

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really go on the land. But I went over and

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pulled over and looked around with some binoculars to see

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if I could see the horns or a carcass out there.

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I didn't see anything, so and it doesn't mean that

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it wasn't killed and eating right there. In Kentucky, a

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lot of times if somebody sees a dead buck, they'll

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pull over and grab the horns and cut them off

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so they can have the antlers for you know, hunting

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the rattle or whatnot, or regular friends and pretend like

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they killed a big buck, right, but don't. But anyway,

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so after that, I get to my cabin and I'm

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still kind of like not sure what to do. So

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I called my wife. She wanted me to call her

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make sure I got up here safe. Was I'm talking

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to her, she says, I can tell something's wrong. What's

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bothering you? And I said, well, I don't really want

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to tell you this, but because I kind of know

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my wife is. She's a pretty analytical person, but she

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doesn't usually believe in in like not things like bigfoot

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too much. So I tell her and she's quiet for

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a minute. She goes, are you sure you didn't see

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a mountain lion? I said, honey, I watched this thing.

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I got a perfect look at it and it went

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up on two feet, and she's she's wanting to know

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how close I was. Well, actually, I was close enough

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that I could see when it stood up it was.

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It was lean, but it had muscles. It wasn't like

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some of me here, like these big weightlifter like Lessner's

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body kind of build. It was muscular, but it was lean,

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more like a fit swimmer. And I do remember when

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its arm went up. I remember the elbow looked like

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it was an unusual place. It looked higher up, and

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that may help explain how it was able to do

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that spider walk. I don't know, but I tell her

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that back in the back in the eighties, I was

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in the Coast Guard and I had an opportunity to

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go to Madison Square Garden and I remember seeing Patrick

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Ewing play for the Knicks. That was the tallest human

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being I'd ever seen, really in my life that I remember,

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and this big foot. I was probably closer to him

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than I was Patrick Ewing because at the time I

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was poor and I was way up in the nosebleed

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section of Madison Square Garden, so Patrick Ewing didn't look

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that big, but still you could tell he was big.

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This thing was at least as tall as that Patrick Ewing,

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I think around seven foot. This thing was somewhere between

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seven and eight feet, but it was wider than like

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a human would be. I'd say maybe three feet wide

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at the shoulder, and you could see it tape down

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a little bit at the waist. But what I really

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remember seeing is in the scalpular area, there was some

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bear area that you could see some of that gray

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looking like what I saw on the face. So it

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made me realize that's hair, not for it kind of

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looks a lot more.

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Like hair, gotcha. So, and that would be around like

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the shoulder blade area.

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Correct, Okay, that scalpula right in the back.

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My goodness. That How far apart were the eyes? Would

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you say?

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If I had to guess, It's hard to I talked

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to Charlie Raymond of the KBrO and he says it's

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very hard for people to estimate distances unless you're a

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golf For people that golf know three hundred yards, two

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hundred yards and inches and whatnot. But I would say

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they were probably six inches apart. They were further removed,

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and then maybe like a horse, I would say the

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eyes were hoorse size, maybe a tad bigger, but like

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I say, they were directly on and maybe a little

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bit further apart than a horse as it would be.

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So I'm gonna say like six inches or so.

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Okay, So we talked about the shape of the head,

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but the size of it. If you were to look

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at the size of it in your mind, the size

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of the head and compare it to some kind of

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household object, what would it be compared to.

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I would say a basketball if I had to guess

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about the size of basketball. And what was weird is

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the head was enormous, but once it stood up, it

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didn't appear. Now it could have been leaning forward, I

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don't know that, but the head did not appear as

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proportionate to the body of sayers of what it seemed.

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As big as the head was, it seemed a little

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tad bit small for the size of the shoulders I

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was looking at. And like I say, I believe they

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have necks. I think they just have traps that come

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up that hide the neck. Again, kind of like brock

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lessnar he's got.

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That's three times you're gonna beatle juice brock.

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Up. But but like if you look at him that

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that's kind of like from the back, that's kind of

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what I feel like, is why the head and it

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could have been leaning. We know, as you're running, this

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thing was smooth, but I don't know if he was

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hunched because it's hard to tell from the angle. Once

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he went up, I was just amazed looking at the

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back and whatnot. But I remember seeing the head didn't

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seem as big as what the body looked like, so

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it could have been because it was leaning forward. But

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to me when I initially saw it, it looked like about

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a basketball size, but it maybe a tad bigger, but

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on the body it looked a little bit smaller on

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the body like that.

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For instance, how far away from Ohio County is this area.

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Oh ok Ohio count of So this was Breckenridge County,

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Ohio County, I would say a mile maybe two miles.

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Oh my goodness, okay, because I have gotten some wild

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stuff from Ohio County and that makes I mean, the

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whole area down there has to be wild.

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Well, I think what part of it is is. You know,

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after I've done research on this, I talked to a

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number of people, and we've got the Ohio River runs

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right on the edge. I'm like in Owensboro, runs right

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past Owensboro. But where I'm at the lake here, I'm

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probably like, I don't know, twelve to fourteen miles straight

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over to get to the river. So you got the

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Ohio River, and then the Ohio River. After Owensboro, you've

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got the Green River. Green you've heard of the Green

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River Monster. You see a lot of stuff over in

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Spotsville and things like that. But then you also have

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on the other side of where I'm out at the lake,

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Mammoth Cave is only like fifty miles away. Well, Mammoth

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Cave's got tributaries going all over the place. They're still

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never discovered the whole cave system. There's farmers around here

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that discover entrances that they didn't even know was on

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their own land for years. So who knows. Maybe these

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things move around in caves or the rivers. I don't

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think they're against jumping in a river at night and

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floating down to avoid a town like Owensboro, because on

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the other side of Owensboro they have a lot of

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Bigfoot sightings. And then on this side towards Rough River Lake,

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there's a lot over in Ohio County, so at some

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point they have to traverse Owensboro, So I figure they

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probably do it either by walking the river bank where

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there's no houses because you're in floodplains so there's nothing

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flows by. It's a perfect place to move lots of

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game down there too, and or they could just get

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in the river and just float right on down the river.

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Wow. Just for listeners, is that one of those old

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school like bird clocks from the All nighteties?

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That's my alley. Yeah, I'm at my cabin so I

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have that that bird haw haw's different birds every every hour.

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Yeah, my grandfather used to have one of those. It's

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very cool. They're hard to find. Yes, I redid him.

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But have you ever talked to Don Neil from over there?

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Yes? I have. Yeah, he's actually in the KBrO O.

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You've talked to him, and I've talked to Charlie Raymond

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who's the founder, and I actually interviewed him in the

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book as well. Don Neil told me, oh, that's how

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you need to talk to you. I wanted to interview

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don and he turned me on to Charlie.

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Yeah, it is a really good interview. So one of

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the interviews in this book is with Charlie Raymond, which

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is great also and don Neil I was able to

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interview him if I think it was a few months

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maybe half a year ago, also a really good interview

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from the same area. I would recommend people check that out.

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But so you have this really wild encounter sighting and

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then does it do you step back and you're like, man,

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I gotta figure this out or is it a thing

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where you just you jump into it and you're like,

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you know what, I'm going to go after this and

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even if it takes me out, I'm going to figure

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out what's going on here.

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Okay. So when I told you, I came to the

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cabin the quarantine. So when I got here, it was

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like a day in and I had planned. My intention

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was to work on my other book and more than

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just fishing. I was getting close to finishing that book,

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and I figured how seven days might just push me

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over the top and get this puppy done. But what

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happened by day too, I was so disturbed. I hadn't

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got around to working on it because all I could

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think about was what I saw. And so then I

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got on my computer, I started researching and really all

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I could find, and it's still true to this day.

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I could find one or two drawings of a spider,

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and I could find a video on YouTube this lady

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named Melina Sidarova, I believe it's Malina or Marina Cidarova.

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She's if you get on YouTube, you could find her

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if you look at her spyance. That's the closest thing

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I could find at the time. She moves around on

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all fours and it's really creepy, and I'm thinking, my god,

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if somebody can do it with human limbs. This of course,

455
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this bigfoot could probably have done what I thought it

456
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.240
was doing. And she does a pretty good example. That's

457
00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:20.240
the closest thing I've seen on a video that imitates

458
00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:22.759
what I saw. That movement when she's moving around like

459
00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:25.000
a spider on all four that's a pretty good video

460
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:28.039
to check out. But anyway, so what happened. I start

461
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:31.400
research and researching, and I could find some sightings and

462
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:35.359
so forth and whatnot. Then I realized that I wanted

463
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:36.680
to I'm going to get a book on it and

464
00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.279
just order it and then I'll start working on my book. Well,

465
00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:42.160
I get on Amazon, I get on good Reads, other places.

466
00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:44.720
I can't find a book on this. I'm like, my god,

467
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:47.079
nobody's ever written about this there. You know, there may

468
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.400
be a story or two written in other books. I

469
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:52.960
could not ever find a whole work on this whole thing.

470
00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:55.279
And that's one of the reasons why it's my book

471
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.920
end up four hundred and thirty nine pages. There's nothing

472
00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:01.440
ever been done as far as research just in the

473
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.559
quadrupedal motion. And at first I had a hard time

474
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:11.319
finding witnesses because sometimes people are reluctant to come forward

475
00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:13.799
with the big foot siding. But I find when they

476
00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:17.039
see something on four, they're even more reluctant because you're

477
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.279
already going to get ridiculed by some but now you're

478
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:22.559
saying on all four and now you're gonna get ridiculed

479
00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:24.680
by even some people who believe in Bigfoot or have

480
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.279
seen them, because they didn't see it on four. So

481
00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:29.240
it took me a while to figure out how to

482
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:31.319
get witnesses. And I'll tell you how I got my

483
00:24:31.359 --> 00:24:35.359
first witness This was I think it was I want

484
00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:39.720
to say twenty twenty two, right around there will every

485
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:44.039
year there's at Indiana University, they have a collegiate bicycle race.

486
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.720
It's the biggest bicycle race in the country of college

487
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:51.480
level and it's called the Little five hundred. There was

488
00:24:51.519 --> 00:24:53.799
a movie about it, I think back in the early eighties.

489
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:55.880
There's a young Dennis Quaid that was in the movie.

490
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.319
If you ever read Break of Them or watch the

491
00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:01.079
movie Breaking Away that have seen that movie, you'll know

492
00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:03.599
exactly what I'm talking about. It's a huge race. You

493
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.119
go there in the whole stadium was sold out, standing

494
00:25:06.200 --> 00:25:09.240
room only. So my nephew was enrolled at IU in

495
00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:13.640
business school. He was on the bicycle team called Novis,

496
00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.680
was their cycling team. Well, we were getting ready to

497
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.000
go up there for the race. He calls me excitedly.

498
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.079
He said, you're not going to believe it, Uncle John,

499
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.440
You're not going to believe this. And his name's Tommy.

500
00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:28.240
So Tommy tells me we were sitting around our team

501
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:31.160
one day after training, just sitting around having a cold drink,

502
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:35.759
and somehow I ended up mentioning your bigfoot sighting and

503
00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:39.119
he says, my friend Kobe that's on the team. He

504
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:42.160
stepped back and said, whoa, You're not going to believe this.

505
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:47.119
And so Kobe had told him, he said years earlier.

506
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.039
I think it was in ninety six. His whole family,

507
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:52.119
he's got a large family. I think at seven, they

508
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.000
were at Lake Monroe, well, their farm. He grew up

509
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.000
not far out of Bloomington. So they were on the

510
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.400
way back to their farm from Lake Monroe and they

511
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.680
got on this road called Scott's Road. Well, that whole area,

512
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.079
if you look at it, there's several forests that back

513
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:08.960
up there. One of them who's your National Forests, and

514
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.880
then there's several state parks. That's all. Just if you

515
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.000
get on Google Earth, you'll see it. Look at Scott's

516
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.079
Road and you'll see beyond that all the forest. So

517
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.559
they were a few miles on Scott's Road, just from

518
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:22.160
their farm, and he said, they come up to this

519
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.599
tea intersection and his dad stopped the car and said,

520
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:28.480
oh my god. And there was this creature standing under

521
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:30.519
this tree. It looked like he was picking something from

522
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:34.200
the low branches of this tree and eating them. So

523
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.839
the whole family thought. I talked to several family members

524
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.200
of his family. They all said the same thing. And

525
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.319
what happened after the thing became aware that they were

526
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.640
just sitting there in their vehicle watch and get turned,

527
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.799
it drops on all fourds and scoots right across the highway,

528
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.039
right past the front of the vehicle. So the whole

529
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.480
family got to look at it, and he said it

530
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:55.519
was it was maybe seven feet, but he said it

531
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.039
was very scrawny. It almost looked like it had names

532
00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.079
that the hair was kind of thin areas. But they

533
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:02.559
got a really good look at it, and there's a

534
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:05.119
really good description in the book of it. And so

535
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.400
then I asked him, well, your farm's not that far away.

536
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.839
Have you guys ever had anything else on your farm? Well,

537
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.000
he said, a year or two earlier, they were hiking

538
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.960
and they heard something sounded like howler monkeys in the woods.

539
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.720
If you ever google howler monkeys sounds, they're creepy. And

540
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:23.359
he said it's scared the crap out of them. And

541
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:24.920
he won't even go in their own woods on the

542
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.079
back side of their farm because those woods end up

543
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.160
going up to the National Forest and all that eventually,

544
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.240
and he said, there's something back there. And I've been

545
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.960
paced before, but I never see anything until the whole

546
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.359
family saw at that time. So that's the first witness

547
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.680
I found, and I thought, well, gosh, now I gotta

548
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.920
do this book, because by then I'd had tons of

549
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.400
information and about on all four and the types of

550
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.680
joints and articulated joints, and I'll tell you about my

551
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.480
theory on the joints here in a bit. But then

552
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.920
I got my first live witness to talk to, and

553
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.400
then it wasn't long after that he was able to

554
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.119
tell me about somebody else that he had connected with,

555
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:04.160
and now I got another witness, And then after that

556
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.279
I found out I did a stupid thing. I went

557
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:10.599
on my Facebook said anybody know anybody that's seen this? Well,

558
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.960
they come out of the woodwork, and some of them

559
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.640
I just couldn't like, man, come on. So I figured

560
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.920
out that wasn't probably the best way to go about

561
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.319
finding it. So a lot of times I just joined

562
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:24.240
a lot of different groups, and I would listen to

563
00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.319
a lot of different podcasts, and when I saw one

564
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.720
that would fit the mold, I would try to if

565
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:33.079
they said on the podcast where they had, where they

566
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.720
usually are, if they give their contact information. Most don't,

567
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:40.079
so sometimes you can find them if you're on different

568
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:43.640
Bigfoot groups. Eventually you'll find posts where somebody says I

569
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.440
saw this, and then I would instant message him and

570
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.880
then usually we would talk on the phone and then

571
00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:51.680
set up an interview. Tom and I'd do a formal interview,

572
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.079
and then I would type up what they told me

573
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.160
now in the book is you know since you've read it,

574
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:02.000
I take a lot of what their story. Sometimes I'll

575
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.720
clean up the language some of them if I don't

576
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.359
put the swear words or anything like that. But then

577
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:09.440
I always research the area. I Google earth their area, Well,

578
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.200
it's close enough, I've driven out to some of the sightings,

579
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.680
and I also researched their area, and I like to

580
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.000
put in the book maybe if it's close to a

581
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.039
state or national forest, I give the acreage, the types

582
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.400
of animals that are there, or something interesting about that area,

583
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.319
maybe who's famous from that area. So I get a

584
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:32.039
little bit in each chapter, a story besides the Bigfoot

585
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.000
story that's of interest. And some of them, you know,

586
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:36.480
you go off the deep end. One of them, I

587
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.920
got into venus fly traps that grow in the area,

588
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.240
and told how you know the story about venus fly traps.

589
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.079
So there's a lot of cool stuff in there that

590
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.759
gave me liberty to when I'm there exploring that area

591
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.960
to see what else is there.

592
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.160
There's I mean, is really well done. And would you

593
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:58.359
say there's probably about thirty, maybe around thirty accounts in there?

594
00:29:58.400 --> 00:29:59.079
What would you say?

595
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.160
I think there's actually more because there's one chapter that

596
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:06.960
has small accounts. I've just got some small shorter that

597
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.599
wasn't really enough to do a whole chapter, so count

598
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.079
I knows. I would say, maybe it's pushing like thirty

599
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:15.759
eight somewhere around there. I'm counting them up, but you're

600
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:20.400
right somewhere around thirty to thirty eight. Yeah, And some

601
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:22.880
of them I couldn't use. I did some interviews and

602
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.960
then I thanked him for their time, and it wasn't

603
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:30.400
like I felt like, like it's hard to it's hard

604
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:32.519
to say where you could get this skill, maybe from

605
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.960
different jobs I've had, like a BS meter. So I

606
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:39.119
felt like sometimes if I felt like the story didn't

607
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:43.599
always line up, or too many contradictions, or maybe I'm

608
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:45.599
not saying I don't believe in the WU, I don't

609
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.000
know enough about WU. If it had too much flying

610
00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.960
saucers and stuff, I didn't include that. And the reason

611
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.880
I didn't include that is after I talked to doctor

612
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:55.519
Melder and he wanted to know what kind of book

613
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:56.799
it was, and he goes, I'm not going in a

614
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.880
book if you got all kinds of UFO abduction with sightings.

615
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.640
So I kept it clean on that and too because

616
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.160
I wanted to get I had a promise from him

617
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.720
to interview for the book, provided I met the criteria.

618
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.640
Yeah, and that's really interesting because probably your book is

619
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:18.119
one of the last times that he an interview with

620
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.400
him was in a book before he unfortunately passed.

621
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.559
I would cass, Yeah, what I did. Would I initially

622
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:32.279
try to contact him. It's he's surprisingly accessible, or was

623
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:37.319
surprisingly accessible compared to some people. But he's a busy guy.

624
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.559
He told me. He goes John. I get thousands of

625
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.039
emails every week. I try to weed through them, and

626
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:46.640
it's so hard to answer everybody. But it had been

627
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.799
a while, like I emailed them and then emailed again,

628
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:51.559
and then I sent a letter follow up and I

629
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.960
didn't hear anything. And then I emailed again one more time.

630
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.799
I said, I guess you're busy. Well, I hadn't heard

631
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.640
at that time he had just had a stroke and

632
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.079
he emailed me back. I don't know if he typed

633
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.480
it or something. He goes, I apologize, I've had a

634
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.799
stroke and I'm in rehab, I will I promise I'll

635
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.599
contact you when I'm when I'm through rehab and back

636
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.000
to work. So what I did at that point I

637
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:18.880
knew man when he gets to work, he's going to

638
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:21.960
have so much on his desk and so forth. So

639
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.119
I thought, ah, what I'll do. I got a big envelope,

640
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:28.119
multi colored, so I figured most of his mail he gets,

641
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.720
we're going to be like the small letters. So I

642
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:33.319
got a big envelope with all kinds of color around it,

643
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.480
and I got the college address. I looked up in

644
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:41.279
their directory at Idaho, and I looked up his office,

645
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.440
and I sent a copy of my More Than Just

646
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:46.799
Fishing book and with the cover letter, and I told him,

647
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.799
I appreciate everything you've always done. I understand if you're

648
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.279
too busy to give me the time, but maybe you

649
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.200
have some downtime between rehab if you want something to

650
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.160
joyable to read. Here's a book I wrote, And after

651
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.000
you're done, I would really appreciate some consideration if I

652
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.279
could interview you about a sighting I had and talk

653
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:11.079
about the possibility of sequatch going on to all fours.

654
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:14.440
And so he ends up calling me one day, I'm

655
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.440
driving down and my phone's ringing. I'm on the way

656
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.440
up to the lake actually, and unknown numbers like I

657
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:21.880
answer it, And I was thinking it's gonna be a

658
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:26.960
telemarket or something. He goes, John, doctor Melderm. I'm like, well, helo, sir,

659
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:29.799
just at the glue. He goes, well, you know how

660
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.160
to get a guy's attention. I got this big envelope

661
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:33.920
and he said, the first thing I looked at on

662
00:33:33.960 --> 00:33:38.359
my desk, I thought, hot darn I got so it works.

663
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:42.240
And he liked the book, and so he said, I'll

664
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.119
do the interview, but I have a kiacht. I don't

665
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.720
sign on that these bigfoot go down and all four

666
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:52.519
very often. And I said, doctor Melderm, that doesn't discourage me,

667
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.279
because you just said they don't go down very often.

668
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.920
You didn't say you don't think they go down on

669
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.200
all four. And that's my premise too. I don't think

670
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.880
they're often on all four. But it's just like Starbucks.

671
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.720
I might buy a coffee once a week. I don't

672
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.119
do it very often, but I do do it. Maybe

673
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.280
these bigfoot go on all four once on occasion when

674
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.960
they're hunting or to hide. Maybe once a week. Or whatever.

675
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.119
That's not very often. So he kind of laughed at

676
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.360
that analogy. And I even told him that that movie

677
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.400
Dumb and Dumber. I remember, I can't think Jim Carrey

678
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.599
and Elizabeth Hurley. He asked her character for a date

679
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.400
and she goes, no, I wouldn't go to you a date.

680
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.199
He goes, what are the odds? And she goes a

681
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:34.800
million to one. He goes, so I still got a chance. Yeah,

682
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.280
So I told him I still got a chance, and Darna.

683
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.559
A couple of weeks later, we set up the interview

684
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.880
and I sat here. He gave me about two hours

685
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.000
of his time, and he went he unloaded on it

686
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:46.440
and told me all kinds of stuff.

687
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.840
Oh my goodness, that's really that's such an incredible opportunity

688
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.880
you're able to have. And I'm guessing there's way more

689
00:34:57.679 --> 00:34:59.639
that was not put in the book.

690
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.280
We got sidetracked and he goes, now, don't put this

691
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:04.800
in there. We got almost talking like a couple of buddies.

692
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:06.840
I found out he wasn't that much older than me,

693
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.239
so we had quite a bit in common, and so

694
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.000
we kind of talked about society and all he goes, now,

695
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.039
this is not he would tell me off the record,

696
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.000
and I was like, you, no problem, and everything I

697
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:20.440
sent him. I told him I will send the chapters.

698
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.760
It ended up being two chapters because I couldn't he

699
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.719
had too much to just go one chapter. So I

700
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.519
sent him and when I got it back, I felt

701
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.880
like a third grader that just got a paper, an

702
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.400
incomplete paper. There was red marks all over it and uh,

703
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.639
it's nothing. Oh crap. Well, some of it was just

704
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.800
stuff he wanted strict and like to clean up the

705
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.559
way he said it because I told him I was

706
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:44.960
going to type it up just like our conversation. So

707
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.719
some of it was run on sentences, and so he

708
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.119
ended up correcting all the grammar and everything, and I thought, man,

709
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:52.679
I hadn't nothing to the final ed and I put

710
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.199
that on the cover letter. So I called him. I said,

711
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:57.159
I'm sorry. I feel like I got an F on

712
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.199
my paper. He goes, no, he said, you did better

713
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.639
than a lot of my students. He goes, I'm used

714
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.800
to mark and stuff, and you know, the proper thing

715
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.039
needs to be like Heidelbergances has to be in parentheses.

716
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:11.960
I didn't have that, and he highlighted that with a marker.

717
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:13.840
But I cleaned it out and sent him back and

718
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:18.760
he put a plus solished. Yeah. Yeah, I think he

719
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:20.800
told me it was the only time he'd ever been

720
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.679
interviewed on a big Foot on All four and that

721
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:27.440
was the whole Soul interview. So I was sad when

722
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.599
he passed, but I was really fortunate to be able

723
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:30.480
to talk to him.

724
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.800
Yeah, it was a very very sad day when I

725
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.559
when I heard that as well. Yeah, are there any

726
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.599
you know, from that multiple hour discussion and then doing

727
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:46.000
all that work to put it in your book? Were

728
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:50.360
there any takeaways that really stick out that he had.

729
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.719
I'm sure he was just throwing out some incredible things

730
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.639
about you know, talking about Bigfoot down on All four

731
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.199
and how that might work or might not work with

732
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.559
the way the things that we know about the anatomy

733
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:05.440
of the creature.

734
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.079
Yeah, he actually, as you know, he had probably one

735
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:14.559
of the largest, if not the largest cast in footprint collections,

736
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:18.559
so and he'd casted many of those on his own.

737
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.000
He actually went on site a lot of times if

738
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.000
the site of the prints were preserved, and made his

739
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:26.079
own prints. So what he told me, he goes, with

740
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:30.360
all the years I've collected prints, I've never found. He said,

741
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.440
I only have a few handprints, and those are usually

742
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.400
going up the hill. So he said, I do definitely

743
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:39.159
believe they'll go to on all four going up an incline,

744
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.599
you know, kind of like a four wheel drive truck

745
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:44.440
to go up a incline. He says, I do believe that,

746
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.920
and that's where I found handprints. He says, nobody really

747
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.199
ever finds handprints with that shows they went on all

748
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.760
fours with the footprints. But I told him, and we

749
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.480
had a really good discussion on this, and he's appreciating

750
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.639
my candor, and I said, well, let me ask you

751
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.280
a question. I said, I'm just dumb enough to wonder

752
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.800
why maybe there's a reason. I said, have you ever

753
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.800
considered that the reason why nobody's found the foot prints

754
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.119
is because when they go on all four they might

755
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.199
not necessarily be on their feet, They might be on

756
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.280
the balls. A lot of witnesses I talked to at

757
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.119
this time, I told them tend to say the feet

758
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.320
were splayed out at an odd angle and on the

759
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.199
balls of their feet. And I said a lot of them,

760
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.079
some of them think they were on the fingers and

761
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.840
some think on the knuckles. I said, those would not

762
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.519
make handprints. And I said, a lot of times I

763
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.880
think that people wouldn't even know what they're looking at.

764
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.760
If they just saw the balls of feet handprints, it

765
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.599
would look like two different animals come through there. You know,

766
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.400
a lot of times people aren't going to pay attention

767
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.079
to know. And the other thing I told them, I said,

768
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.719
the other thing I think is he definitely didn't describe

769
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.480
in the wu And I said, but do you think

770
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.440
there's a more natural explanation for when people say they

771
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.760
see a big foot disappeared and we discuss hair color,

772
00:38:57.880 --> 00:38:59.480
Maybe they can blend in. But I said, if you

773
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.400
consider that, maybe they could drop down on all four.

774
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:05.280
Say there's some tall grass, somebody sees it, it drops

775
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.800
down so fast in a blink of an eye, you

776
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.320
think it disappeared. Maybe it really didn't. Maybe it dropped

777
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.239
on all four. So that was a good discussion we had.

778
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.280
And then he said he hadn't really considered that my

779
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.079
footprint theory. And I said, maybe it would explain too,

780
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.199
when somebody sees footprints disappeared like the print print print

781
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.000
and all of a sudden nothing, maybe because it dropped

782
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:27.519
all four all of a sudden. Now the weight it's

783
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.920
distributed and you no longer have the eight hundred pounds

784
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:33.719
or whatever being pressed down on two feet all of

785
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.360
a sudden from the a lema standpoint, maybe it rained

786
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.440
a little bit in the soft ground. It looks like

787
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.119
there's footprint, footprint, footprint in the middle of the field,

788
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:44.239
and the thing disappeared. Maybe he dropped all four and

789
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.320
went away. Maybe he saw somebody at farm or in

790
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.239
a field or whatever. It took off on all four.

791
00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:51.159
Oh man, that is something to think about, isn't it.

792
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.519
We might not be looking for the right thing for

793
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.920
when it, I mean, goes into sports mode and then

794
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.159
who knows how much quicker if it Maybe it can

795
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.239
move quicker when it's down on all fours as opposed

796
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:08.639
to just on two legs, and you know who knows.

797
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.920
But yeah, you could go stealth. You can do it

798
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.079
to hunt, to stalk, to hide, to blend in a

799
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:16.119
lot of different reasons, just like you know, a human.

800
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.199
It dawned on me one day I was in my

801
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:21.360
garage and I dropped a whole bunch of screws. Well,

802
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.159
I didn't stand up each time and pick up screws

803
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:26.360
and pick them up. I got down on my hands

804
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:28.360
and knees and walked around and got them all. So,

805
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.719
if you think about a sasquatch and the various food

806
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.559
needs they would have if they're rooting for roots or

807
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:37.639
getting berries from a short tree, it doesn't seem very

808
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.920
economical to stand up each time, pick the roots, stand up,

809
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.239
eat it, go back down. Why not move around on

810
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.760
all fours where you can pick the low berries, pick

811
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:48.960
what's on the ground, and forge nuts that are falling down.

812
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:51.079
It would make more sense to move around on all

813
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.519
four I think they're highly adaptable and they do what

814
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:54.840
they need to survive.

815
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:59.280
Absolutely. You had said that you have some interesting theories

816
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:00.599
about tendons.

817
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.760
Well, yeah, tendons and joints. So I had run this

818
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.519
doctor Melvin too. I think that I have a strong

819
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:12.760
background in orthopedics. I worked orthopedics for years. I work

820
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.400
in mental health now, but the years I did orthopedics,

821
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.599
I always know, like, so you say your arm, that's

822
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.400
a Hens joint, and you're having your knee a Hen's joint.

823
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.360
So when we think of a bigfoot at an odd angle,

824
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.679
we're thinking in terms of human anatomy. Just because they

825
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.440
have arms and legs like we do doesn't necessarily mean

826
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.119
that their joints are made the same. So if you

827
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.000
take a thumb and that's called a saddle joint in

828
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:38.880
your thumb, and you know it's how I can move

829
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.400
it around like that? Well, I ran it by doctor Meldam.

830
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.559
I said, what if you had a saddle joint or

831
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.360
something closer to that up in an elbow and the

832
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.280
elbows higher up where that thing can move in all

833
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.559
different directions, but you feel like a stable A saddle

834
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:57.519
joint can be stable. You're going like that and it's

835
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:01.119
not given way, So why couldn't you have maybe more

836
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.559
like a saddle joint. And when people say they see

837
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:06.519
them even on two feet, moving like they're on an escalator,

838
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:09.760
that could explain more with that saddle joint type of

839
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.280
type of joint that makes them not bounce like we bounce.

840
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.239
We've got hens joints and there's wear and tear. And

841
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.559
I ran that by doctor Melderman. I also said, you know,

842
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.559
compare like he did. Admit he said, Patty, he said

843
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:30.039
the intermemberl intramemberl index on Patty was like a ninety,

844
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.039
which means that if they take the ratio of the

845
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:37.079
four limbs and the lower limbs, and he said like humans.

846
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.920
He talked about this family in Turkey. There's a family

847
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.039
of four in Turkey that all walk on all four

848
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.320
and he goes, if you watch them, and that's all

849
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:47.920
they do, they only walk on all four. But he said,

850
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.000
if you watch them, they look like a stink bug,

851
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.280
their butts up in the air. And it's because of

852
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.119
the limb difference. And he said chimps are the same way,

853
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:57.039
their butts a little but not quite as bad as

854
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.400
a human. And he said it makes them swagger a

855
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.440
little bit when they're moving, which could explain some Piet

856
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:06.800
spider movement. But then if you take even different he said, Patty,

857
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.159
he goes, I'll can see this Patty's limbs. He believes

858
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.280
the Patterson gimen the film to be the real deal.

859
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:16.559
And he said, based on the index, he believes that

860
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.840
the limbs were conducive to go down on all fours

861
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:21.760
and make it a lot easier than it would be

862
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.760
for human So he did conceive that as well. Wow,

863
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.719
and so I think that their joints might be different

864
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:32.239
is why they can do some of these things.

865
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:37.199
That's yeah, that's a really big deal. My goodness, do

866
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:45.039
you have the account in your book that sticks out

867
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:51.519
to you as maybe a favorite description of a bigfoot

868
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:55.280
doing a spider crawl, or one that was maybe the

869
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:57.800
best description that you've heard of.

870
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:02.199
Well, there's actually quite a few good ones, but one

871
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:04.880
that's coming to mind right now, and it'll lead in

872
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.280
to another story I wanted to share with you. There

873
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.280
was a family from Ohio. It was a family of four,

874
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:14.480
and his name was Casey. The wife's name was Alice,

875
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:16.000
and I talked to both of them. They had two

876
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:21.960
kids named they was Addie and Declin. Anyway, what happened.

877
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.960
They were on Ohio and it was in twenty twenty two.

878
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:27.639
They went on vacation to Louisiana. Well, they went to

879
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.039
the Bogachita Reserve and they also went to the Pearl

880
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.519
River basin and they So the story is longer than that.

881
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.199
There kind of tells where they stayed and everything. But

882
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.320
one of the days they were driving around the area

883
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.639
just trying to you know, take it in and look

884
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:45.800
at the swamp and whatnot. So they see this gravel

885
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.719
road or this rural road they go down. Then they

886
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:50.679
see a gravel road and they turn down that. Well

887
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.559
it kind of dead ends like an the ATV trail.

888
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.199
So at this point they decide, you know what, let's

889
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:57.880
just go out into the woods and check this out.

890
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.519
There was nobody around there in the trail was there,

891
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.000
and the trail was conduced a part of their needs

892
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.760
where they have their daughters paralyzed, so they had a

893
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.880
special wheelchair that has a big knobby wheel with a

894
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.639
chair on it. It's kind of like a chariot or

895
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.360
a rickshaw. Maybe It's got a handle on each side,

896
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:17.119
so one person can go from the front and the

897
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.239
other person can push. So when they go through terrain,

898
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:21.760
this wheels designed to be able to do that, so

899
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.960
she could hike with them. So what they do as

900
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.920
a family, They got mom and dad are pushing and

901
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.599
the sons walking along beside. They're going down this trail.

902
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.800
They get back in their ways and all of a

903
00:45:32.800 --> 00:45:35.559
sudden they hear commotion on the right side a while

904
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.480
bore comes crashing through there taking goes right across the

905
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:43.199
path off to the left. Well, within a few seconds

906
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:48.719
they see two legged about seven and a half foot

907
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:52.639
tall creature with dark hair come across. Didn't even look

908
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.880
at them, was going right after this bore. Well, wasn't

909
00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:58.559
long they hear this boar squeal, squeal squeal, like this

910
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:00.800
depty squeal, and all of a sudden they hear a

911
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.039
snap and the squeal stops. And the family at this

912
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.760
point was just beside themselves, like what's going on? And

913
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:11.039
so where Spider Caral comes in and the reason why

914
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.199
they contacted me. His brother was the one that initially

915
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.239
contacted me. Said if I can get my brother to

916
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.039
talk about it, he might go in print with the story.

917
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:22.679
So anyway, so as they were discussing what they were

918
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.519
going to do, they look forward and there stands a

919
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.519
little creature on all fours that they said it was

920
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.079
about fifty pounds and it looked sort of like a chimp,

921
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.880
but they said it was on all fours, walking on

922
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.559
fours and just staring at him, and they said it

923
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:42.000
almost had a reverse mohawk. It was bald on the middle,

924
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.320
but had kind of tufts of hair on the sides,

925
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:46.239
kind of like it was young and it was like

926
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:50.079
still filling in. But this thing, she said, had blue eyes,

927
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.079
steely blue eyes. She said, we were close enough that

928
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.000
this thing it stared at us like it was in

929
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.039
awe and amazement of us, and we were staring back,

930
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.239
So she said it was like the standoff, but she

931
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:03.440
was able to give such a good description because they

932
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:07.760
got to look at it fortrong and they were so scared. Well,

933
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:10.000
then it wasn't long as they're just in the standoff.

934
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.840
They hear allowed whistle off to where they think the

935
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.559
board was killed, and the thing, without a second thought,

936
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.440
turned and took off. So now they're faced with them.

937
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:19.840
We got to get back to the vehicle, and you

938
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.480
can only go so fast pushing that wheelchair. So they

939
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:27.360
were able to get back, and luckily they weren't paste

940
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.320
out or nothing chased them. So anyway, so what happened

941
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.119
the rest of vacation was kind of disturbing for him,

942
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.840
and it kind of ruined their vacation because they couldn't sleep,

943
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:38.800
and they go back to Ohio and he went back

944
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:40.719
to work and the kids back at school, and they

945
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.400
were disturbed. They couldn't sleep at night. They were showing

946
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:49.199
classic classic signs of PTSD post traumatic stress disorder. It's

947
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:52.760
an anxiety in order, and it's unlike other anxiety disorders.

948
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:57.440
It can have external causes and the thing is whenever

949
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.840
and now they get close to woods and smell woods

950
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.599
makes them go into effects. So the family, the dad

951
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:06.280
mom decided as a family, they need to go into therapy.

952
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.480
So they went to a therapist, and so the therapist

953
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.519
didn't exactly know. They said they had a horrifying experience,

954
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.280
is how they booked it. They didn't want to tell

955
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.000
them why until they got into therapy. They get into

956
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:22.840
therapy and they're telling them a therapist and the therapist

957
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.599
starts laughing, like you got to be kidding me. A

958
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:28.920
bigfoot ran out in the trail, then a little one

959
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:30.840
come out and she was laughing and just kind of

960
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.840
making light of them. Well, he said it actually made

961
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:36.559
him worse, Like his daughter started tearing up, said let's go.

962
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.519
I want to go now. She doesn't want to talk

963
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:42.599
about it. Nobody wants to talk about it. So with that,

964
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.920
I called them back and said, in your honor, I

965
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.239
got a hold of doctor David Harmon. Doctor David Harmon

966
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:53.400
is my region. I'm in Kentucky, but in this whole region,

967
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:57.000
he's the most well known doctor who treats post traumatic

968
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:01.400
stress disorder. So I was able to get a contact

969
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:04.199
through him. Through working in healthcare, another doctor I know

970
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:06.480
was able to call him and say, could this guy

971
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.400
come and talk to you. And he want to know

972
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.519
what about And he said a big Foot book. And

973
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.519
he goes, oh, well, this will be interesting. I don't

974
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:14.800
know what I could add. So then he was intrigued,

975
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.360
so he took the appointment. I met with him and

976
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:18.719
he goes, why do you want to meet with me

977
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:22.360
about bigfoot book? And I said, first of all, I'm

978
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.039
not asking you to subscribe to whether you believe in

979
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.679
Bigfoot or not, it's not the reason I'm here. So

980
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:29.559
I just told him the story that I just told

981
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.719
you about this family and what they saw and how

982
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:35.159
disturbing it was to him, and that it kind of

983
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:38.679
was upsetting the family and tearing up their peace. And

984
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:41.760
so I told them about the therapist laughing. So I thought,

985
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:43.519
I want to do a chapter I've never seen in

986
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.119
a big Foot book, a chapter about post traumatic stress.

987
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:51.079
This story it gets overlooked. Sometimes people have sightings where

988
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:53.719
they're far enough away and it was maybe a little disturbing,

989
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.440
but not enough to emotionally wreck them. These people were

990
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:58.960
on foot and could have died, and they felt the

991
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.840
presence of it, and they were so traumatized that it

992
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.599
was ruining their family dynamics. The kids quit hanging out

993
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.559
with their other friends. The friends laughed at and want

994
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.719
them try to tell their friends at school what happened.

995
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.760
They got ridiculed. That made it worse than they go

996
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:16.039
to the therapist. So doctor David Harmon in the chapter

997
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.719
I asked him a lot of different questions about how

998
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.119
he would treat somebody like this and what post traumatic

999
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.920
stress disorder is. But basically, in somemation, what I really

1000
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:29.519
took away from it, he said, a good therapist does

1001
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.920
not have to believe the person when they came in.

1002
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:34.880
They don't have to believe that they had an accounter

1003
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:37.840
that they believed they had and saw something. He said,

1004
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:41.360
you're supposed to treat the trauma, not judge them one

1005
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:43.960
way or another. And I thought, you know what, that's

1006
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:45.800
pretty much like I do in mental health. You're not

1007
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.199
supposed to judge them. You're supposed to treat what is.

1008
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:51.679
And he said that's where he goes. That's a therapist

1009
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:54.199
that shouldn't even have a license, should be fired immediately.

1010
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:58.079
But so I thought, well, good for that, and so

1011
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.119
that family really appreciated that in there too. It gave

1012
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.920
him some insight how another therapist would feel. But since

1013
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:06.760
then they found some other help. I think they end

1014
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.199
up going through a chaplain that wasn't kind of like

1015
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.400
a don Neil kind of guy. But but yeah, that's

1016
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.320
why I did the chapter on PTSD because I thought,

1017
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.519
you know, that gets overlooked a lot of people don't

1018
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:20.880
understand the pure trauma that some witnesses really go through.

1019
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:25.079
One hundred percent. And I remember when I was reading

1020
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:26.800
the book, I was I was like, Wow, this is

1021
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.840
actually really cool that that this is in here and

1022
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.679
more people. I hope a lot of people are able

1023
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.960
to read the book, and especially that chapter I think

1024
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:45.559
is very very good help a lot of people. Do

1025
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:49.159
you have any let's see, do you have any plans

1026
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.800
to write maybe another book about big felt or is

1027
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:54.519
this just like a one off type deal.

1028
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:56.760
Well, actually, do you know Jason Canzie?

1029
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.679
Yeah, yeah, I've spent Jason out in the producing.

1030
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.800
I've interviewed him already. The book I'm working on, I

1031
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.679
thought another book. There's books that have touched on it,

1032
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.639
but so I'm working on a book. It'll be called

1033
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:14.239
Aquatic Behemoth Sasquatch Swims, and it's strictly to do with

1034
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:18.719
bigfoot sightings in the water. Involving water sightings, and I've

1035
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.199
contacted Thomas Sue and he's going to take part. Let

1036
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:23.880
me interview him for that book, and I've already got

1037
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:27.320
quite a few witnesses in there. My goal is next

1038
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.639
year I'm going to be at the Blue Bridge Bigfoot

1039
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.079
Festival first Annuel in Owensboro. There's a man going to

1040
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.840
kick that off and he owns a place called Squatch

1041
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.920
here in town, and so he's the one sponsor and

1042
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.559
it's going to be after talking to him, the guy

1043
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.119
knows what he's doing. There's going to be a lot

1044
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.400
of people there in the year after. We plan on

1045
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.639
having it a multi day festival with shoves going back

1046
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:55.360
and forth to the riverfront hotels to the center where

1047
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.639
it's going to be at. But my plan is to

1048
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.400
have that book done by the time that festival because

1049
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:01.880
I'm going to be a speaker there and I want

1050
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.000
to be able to talk about that book as well.

1051
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.840
But yes, that should be published in Hope with June

1052
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:11.679
June July next year. It'll be another lengthy one. I'm

1053
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:13.239
opening the spicott on that one.

1054
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:20.719
Too, absolutely, And I would imagine because I've seen your

1055
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.480
you've been on a few other shows as well, and

1056
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:29.519
I'm imagining you're proudly continuing to get stories about spider

1057
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.199
crawling sasquatch. Is that happening for you?

1058
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:35.079
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't been like doing tons. I

1059
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.760
don't want to oversaturate. I think this is the fourth

1060
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.760
one I've been on since March, so it's been like

1061
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.599
three or four months since I've been on one. I

1062
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.039
try not to do too many. I've tried to do

1063
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:48.559
ones of people that I listen to their show and

1064
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:50.760
I kind of know what they're about and so forth.

1065
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:57.320
But anyway, the yes, I do you like taking part?

1066
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.480
I was really glad to come on your show. But yeah,

1067
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.679
I haven't done too many. I've done a few, but

1068
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:04.000
not not a whole lot.

1069
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:09.599
So do you think there could be a part two

1070
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.280
to this book one day? Or you're just kind of

1071
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:13.079
maybe filing?

1072
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:17.840
Well, what's funny about it is, after I came out

1073
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:20.079
with the book, I've had several other people right to

1074
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:21.840
me and say, oh, man, I wish I knew that

1075
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:23.679
you were looking for it, and they give me their story,

1076
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.239
like that's a really good one. So I asked them,

1077
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.960
I said, I don't have plans on that right now,

1078
00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:30.840
but can I keep it and file in case I

1079
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.079
do a part two, I may go back to that

1080
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:36.039
after the swimming one. I'm pretty head and head over

1081
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.760
heels on this swimming one and really deep into it.

1082
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.800
And you know, still work, and I still work full

1083
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.119
time at the hospital, and I fish. I'm a fishing attic,

1084
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:47.599
so I try to find the time. I use a

1085
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:50.239
lot of time in the winter, especially when the fish

1086
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.360
is no good through the whole winter. I'll grind on

1087
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.159
the on the Big Foot book. So hopefully i'll have

1088
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:58.000
a good by the by next year June or July,

1089
00:54:58.039 --> 00:54:59.960
I'll have this other done, and then I may jump

1090
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.519
into a part two on them, because I'm getting like

1091
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.000
I say, I've had I think at least six or

1092
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:06.960
seven good ones of people that say, if you do

1093
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:09.360
another one, I'd be happy to take barrow on there.

1094
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:13.039
So oh my goodness, Yeah, you're already. You already have

1095
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.920
a good head start on that for sure. Is it

1096
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:22.000
a thing where you have you also ever gone out

1097
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:26.480
and tried to look in certain areas yourself or you

1098
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:31.719
just sticking to interviewing people and putting them together in

1099
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:32.320
a book.

1100
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:36.280
Yes, I have gone out and I've actually got there's

1101
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.559
a guy in almost Burrow. I actually had breakfast with him.

1102
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:41.320
I don't know, maybe a month and a half.

1103
00:55:42.800 --> 00:56:00.920
Uh oh, we'll give him a minute.

1104
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:03.199
Hey, John, Hey Jeremiah.

1105
00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:04.480
I don't know what happened there.

1106
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.760
Hey, that's all right. Weird stuff happens on the show.

1107
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:11.639
No problem. So you were talking to a guy in Owensboro, Yes.

1108
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:15.039
And he had heard me on another podcast back in April,

1109
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:18.199
and he didn't know my name. Well. Then later on

1110
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:21.840
this lady at our local newspaper got on somehow she

1111
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:23.760
got to copy my book and she called me up

1112
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:25.639
and said, do you want to do an interview in

1113
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.880
the newspaper. I said sure. Well, then this guy he

1114
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:30.960
had saw me in there and got my last name

1115
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:33.960
and everything in contacted me. So we went and had breakfast.

1116
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:35.480
I don't know, about a month and a half ago,

1117
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.119
and I had a huddle house and had a breakfast,

1118
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:40.800
and he told me he said he grew up on

1119
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.719
his uncle's farm, and his family's house was just right

1120
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:47.760
next to his uncle's and he had a sighting there

1121
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:50.360
and he said they had this big foot standing up

1122
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.119
in the middle of this tobacco barn when they were

1123
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:54.599
down on the field, and then he had had some

1124
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:58.480
other sightings and whatnot, and then they had one where

1125
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:00.159
he and a buddy of his was up at of

1126
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.719
the ponds at an old stripper pit on the land,

1127
00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:04.760
and when he got up there, there was a big

1128
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:06.880
foot in the water and it saw him and turn

1129
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.280
and took two steps out of the water and took off.

1130
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:12.679
So I talked to him about it, and I actually

1131
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:16.079
have a time set up now that it's getting into

1132
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:19.320
the winter, we're gonna go exploring and we'd probably spend

1133
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:21.920
the night out there and just see what's up. He's

1134
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:26.000
pretty confident that we'll hear something or see something. He said,

1135
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:28.920
almost every time he's gone out there, there's either seas

1136
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:33.000
sign of activity or odd tree formations, or hears something

1137
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:35.719
or sees movement or see something. So we're gonna go

1138
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.880
check it out. So I'm looking forward to that. I

1139
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:41.719
hunted for years. I'm not like a field squatcher, but

1140
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:44.400
I have gone out in the field numerous times. We've

1141
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:46.880
got forty acres over in Indiana. I walked through all

1142
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:49.119
that too, and there's an area there by Pigeon Creek

1143
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.039
that I walked through and been out there shining around

1144
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:58.400
I've never seen anything, but yeah, I'm getting more into that.

1145
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:04.119
That's awesome. On this has been such a great conversation. Again,

1146
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.079
thank you so much for sending me a copy of

1147
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.159
the book so I could check it out. And sure,

1148
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:13.480
I'm glad to have you on and hear things personally

1149
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:16.000
from you. And do you mind spending a few minutes

1150
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:18.800
talking to people about how they can pick up a

1151
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:22.199
copy of the book, how they can contact you directly

1152
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:26.159
with any stories or questions they might have for you.

1153
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.679
First of all, I want to appreciate you taking the

1154
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:31.440
time when I first to talk to you, I wanted

1155
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:33.840
to send you the book so I feel like you

1156
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:35.800
do such a thorough job. And I wanted you to

1157
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:37.599
have a copy in your hands so you could read

1158
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.199
it and see what I'm all about and so forth,

1159
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:43.880
and you ask great questions. I appreciate it. And to

1160
00:58:43.960 --> 00:58:47.440
contact me. I'm on Facebook. I've got John Reiners and

1161
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.239
John Reiners author, but you're going to get in contact

1162
00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:52.599
with me quicker under John Reiners. I post most of

1163
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.440
my stuff on my regular Facebook. I've got a lot

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of people on there. But if they just use instant messengers,

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the way that they can get a hold of me

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pretty quickly and if they can interact on anything I

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00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:06.639
put on Facebook. Everything I put on Facebook is either

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bigfoot related or fishing related, mostly about ninety five percent

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of it. But yeah, through theres where I've made a

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lot of contacts. If anybody has a sighting, a water sighting,

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anything like that, contact me. I'd love to talk to you.

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There's one person that was on your show recently that

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the James from UH he had a sighting in Missouri.

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I've talked to him, Okay, yeah, yeah, totally.

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He's an awesome guy.

1176
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:35.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool, good stuff, good stuff, Well man, John,

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00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:39.960
what a fun chat. Definitely keeping in keeping touch please,

1178
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:42.079
I know you're going to be getting into some more

1179
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.760
cool stuff. And yeah, I'll be keeping an eye out

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for when the second book comes out. But thanks so

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00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:49.519
much for being on the show.

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00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.360
Sure, jarem I. I really appreciate it, and I appreciate the

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00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.400
platform you give everybody, and your show is awesome. I

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00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:57.760
love listen to I listened to it a lot going

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back and forth. Like I said, I got a fifty

1186
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.199
eight mile drive. I go every week, so perfect. I

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01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:04.519
get two hours or an hour there, an hour back

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01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.679
and you know, unless I'm not speed. If I'm not

1189
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.079
speeding it, I got about a show and a half's worth.

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That's awesome. Well, thank you. I appreciate that, John, and

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01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:15.519
and we'll definitely keep in touch.

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01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:16.719
Thank you, sir.

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01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:22.519
Hey, it's me again. While I'm editing the show, make

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sure you check this out. Here's how you can get it,

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01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:29.239
because it wasn't said in the episode. You can go

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01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:34.360
to Amazon dot com search for Crouching Behemoth Quadrupedal Sasquatch

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01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:36.920
by John Reiners and I'm going to have the link

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down the show notes. Thanks guys. Before we wrap this episode,

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I want to say something directly to a very specific

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01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.760
group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch

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01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.760
or forces, and if you've seen something that no one

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01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:55.000
can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or

1203
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:58.679
forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, if you're

1204
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.119
a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,

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01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.280
or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or

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01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:08.840
working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed

1207
01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:11.920
to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

1208
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:15.559
search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks

1209
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:18.719
that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

1210
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:22.559
on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government

1211
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:26.239
contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told

1212
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:29.920
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

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01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.480
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1214
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:37.239
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1215
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.559
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1216
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:43.000
that shook your faith, or if you work in the

1217
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:47.599
shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen

1218
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:51.400
what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,

1219
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:57.239
even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot

1220
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:00.480
Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear

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01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:05.519
what you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone.

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01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:10.679
You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you

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01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:13.280
in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode

1224
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.480
of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds

1225
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.079
us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think,

1226
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:22.039
and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the

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01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.280
tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure

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01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:45.960
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1235
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:49.000
has had a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear

1236
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:52.199
from you, so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail

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01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.519
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01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:58.119
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01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.679
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1243
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.559
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1244
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:18.199
along with the Bigfoot Society until next time, keep your

1245
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.119
eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking what

1246
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.360
else might be out there? And see you in the woods.