Nov. 3, 2025

Sasquatch is Watching at Gypsy Meadows! | Washington

Sasquatch is Watching at Gypsy Meadows! | Washington
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Season 1

What happens when two doctors return to the same dark, remote wilderness — and bring along someone new who ends up touched through the tent by something… not human?



In this intense follow-up to their original expedition, Curtis Miller and David Fuller return to Gypsy Meadows in Northeastern Washington — this time joined by Candy Fuller, whose experiences take a terrifying turn. The trio documents enormous 14-inch tracks, hidden X structures, and a strange woven "seat" watching over their campsite. But it’s what happens late at night — the whistle responses, tree knocks, movement paralleling them in the woods, and ultimately, the moment something pushes into Candy’s thigh through the tent wall — that makes this episode unforgettable.



You’ll also hear about mysterious chatter near Gifford Pinchot National Forest, eerily clean deer remains, rocks stacked on forest pedestals, thermal footage showing something watching the camp for 30 minutes — and the chilling area locals call Skookum Valley.



Whether you're a hardened researcher or just Bigfoot-curious, this episode is a haunting reminder: they’re watching… and sometimes, they reach out.

Resources: 

The Doctors at Gypsy Meadows on Salish Sasquatch channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf26b6mg3NQ

Start of Grassman 58 channel Gypsy Meadow trip documentation here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lju2l_M-Q88

Bushcraft Explorer’s documentation of the Gypsy Meadow trip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avUu2qYnb3c

Selkirk Mountain Sasquatch - 
https://www.youtube.com/@SelkirkMountainSasquatch/videos

Bigfoot Crossroads episode with the Doctors - https://open.spotify.com/episode/6C37OxXYdeTBpPkEJxHzWC?si=b9HQNRLhSXybUz14IhBBBg

Curtis Miller email - hipandkneemd@cox.net

David Fuller email - brftndr@hotmail.com


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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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Just heads up that there's a lot of photos and

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videos that obviously you won't see in the audio version

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But enjoy this.

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Episode all right, Big the Society. We've got Curtis Miller

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and David Fuller and Candy Fuller back this time. You

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might remember Curtis and David from an earlier episode. Of course,

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they are the two doctors that we had on and

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the episode that we had about their adventures throughout I

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believe it was California and the Pacific Northwest, specifically Gypsy Meadows.

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They had said that later on in the year they

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were going to be going out again, and so a

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lot of listeners reached out to me. They were like, Hey,

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are we going to have Curtis and David back on

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to figure out what happened to these guys. I'm happy

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to say that we have them both on, and we've

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got Candy along for the ride this time as well,

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because Candy was up there with them this time too. Correct, yes, perfect,

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Before we get started, just so that our audio listeners

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can figure out voices, do you mind if I'll have

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Curtis say a few words first.

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Thanks having us, Jeremiah, it's good to be back.

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Absolutely, And David, Hey, thanks Jeremiah, it's going to be back.

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We had a really interesting year.

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And Candy, thanks for having me for my first time.

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This is going to be very interesting and a lot

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of fun.

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Absolutely, guys, is it man? Last time we talked for

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it was a good two hours. It was a pretty

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solid one. Is there any way to maybe do a

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really basic foundation about what you guys have been through

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so far, I don't know if that's even possible to

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do in a few minutes.

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You mean from our first trip twenty twenty two, And yeah,

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well now, okay, yeah sure. David and I got into

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bigfoot on a whim. I had been to Nepaul and

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seeing the pangbochet Yetti, and I knew David had an

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interest in bigfoot, so we decided to go bigfooting in

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twenty twenty two. And we're basically rookies. But just a

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quick summary of that trip. We went to the Siskiu

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Wilderness in northern California as the crow Flies. We were

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probably twenty to twenty five miles away from Bluff Creek.

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But while we were there for a whole week, we

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found a number of tree structures. We just found trees

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that were suspended by other trees, just almost as if

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they were floating in the air. Obviously they were being

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held by vines and things like that. We found a

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big igloo structure that seemed like a primitive shelter, did

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not appear to be occupied by humans, and there was

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a number of piles of large scat that were around it.

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While we were there, we also found sixteen inch footprints,

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and then our last day before we left, we had

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pine cones thrown at us. So that was quite a

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memorable trip. We didn't get back into it until twenty

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twenty four in August. We decided this time to go

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to a different place, and after watching a number of

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people on YouTube, we chose to go to northeastern Washington,

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near the Samo Priests Wilderness, to a place called Gypsy

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Meadows if you remember. There we also found sixteen and

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a half inch footprints. We found a pretty good X

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structure that seems pretty amazing, very symmetrical, and happened to

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be pretty strategic in its location. We had a number

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of vocalizations, a lot of them were associated with bard

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Owl's and we can talk a little bit about that later.

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And then one of our fellow campers about an eighth

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of a mile away from us, had a class A

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siding of a bigfoot that David and I missed by

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probably thirty seconds, and we have a little update on

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that later on in the talk. And after that trip,

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Jonathan Brown, who you know, have heard of our trip

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and he started talking to us via text and phone

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conversations and he wanted to get together with us to

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film us and interview us regarding that trip to Gypsy Meadows,

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and then after that we were on podcast with Matt

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Napp and then subsequently on your podcas. The experience of

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meeting Jonathan Brown and eventually Sarah Brown and then you

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and Matt Knapp has introduced us to a whole probably

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ten or fifteen contacts that we wouldn't have had otherwise.

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David and I are still rookies in this, but we

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have a number of people that we can send things

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to that would have never happened had we not been

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on your podcast or Matt's podcast, So that's neat and

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in fact, we've had some people reach out to us

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to get our opinion on some things that have to

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do with anatomy, because if you remember, we're both doctors,

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so that's neat here. We are rookies, and we have

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people sending us videos asking us questions about anatomy. So

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that was our background up until this last year. If

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you remember, when you were interviewing USU asked us what

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our future plans were, and I think we said on Saturday,

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we're going back to Gypsy Meadows, And that was June

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of twenty twenty five, and that was our first trip

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this year.

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Yeah, So as I Curtis said, Jonathan and Sarah Brown

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of Sally's Sasquatch they wanted to film us. So we

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went up to Gipsy. Meant it was a lot of

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snow up there, and so it didn't clear out until April,

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and so we decided to go up in June. And

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so Sarah and John invited will Omer who was Grassman

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fifty eight on YouTube and because that was his research

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area and they wanted to film his some of his stories.

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And then he invited Marshall White, which is Bushcraft Explorer

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on YouTube and along with Aaron West, was a friend

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of them, and both of them had been on their videos.

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But will and Marshall showed up on Wednesday, and Sarah

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and Jonathan were coming in on Friday. Because we're driving

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so far it's like a two thousand mile round trip,

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we decided not just to go up for the weekend,

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but we went up earlier and we decided to go

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up to the NABC and go around Mount Hood and

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maybe do another site on the way up because we

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weren't supposed to be up there till Wednesday. Candy had

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interest in Bigfoot and enjoys camping, so she wanted to go,

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and then Curtis's wife after that decided she would go,

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but she couldn't come in until Wednesday, so we picked

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her up and spoke Hanne and I let Candy describe

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it how she got interested.

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I got interested because number one, I didn't have I

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didn't have a choice because I'm living with who pretty

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much day and night. We've been watching videos, listening to

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YouTube's podcasts. So I decided I might as well go

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along and see if I can hear things and see

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things that might get me right on along with these

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two guys and believing that there's possibly a Bigfoot out there.

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So because of all the stuff that I have seen

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in the last what two years, it has really sparked

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my interest. And going with them was really a lot

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of fun and I really did enjoy it to the

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fact that I would really like to go back. I'd

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like to go all over the United States if possible,

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that would be great.

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Yeah, I mean that's the dream, right to go all

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over the United States and do Bigfoot stuff like how

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finding Bigfoot did back in the day, I think, But yeah,

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continue to keep feel free to continue, guys.

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So as we were driving up that Saturday, as David said,

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we had about a thousand miles to get to Gypsy

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Meadows from David's house, we were texting Jonathan Brown because

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he was going to meet us on Friday, and he

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told us Sarah had just gotten back from Gifford Pinchot

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and while she was there, she recorded a number of

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vocalizations in this one specific campground and it seemed like

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the campground was surrounded by things that we're doing vocalizations,

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and he even sent us a copy of that audio.

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And our plan had been to go to the NABS

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and then probably go to Mount Hood, but once we

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heard that audio, we decided to go to Gifford Pinchot

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National Forest instead and go to that campground. And the

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morning we got to the campground, Jonathan called us or

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texted us, I can't remember which, and he told us

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that the camp post had just called him and said

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that Sarah had heard that vocalization and recorded it two

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nights before. But the camp host had been sitting the

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night she left in his trailer and he heard monkey

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chatter right outside his trailer. So that was interesting. When

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we got there we met the camp host and he said, yeah,

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it happened again the night before we arrived, So two

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nights in a row, both he and his wife had

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heard monkey chatter, and his wife had said that she

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heard it. She had the TV was playing. At first,

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she thought it might be on the TV, so she

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turned the TV down and then it stopped, and when

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she turned the audio back on the TV, the monkey

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chatter happened again right outside her trailer. And she did

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that two or three times, turning the volume down and

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everything would stop. But as soon as the volume of

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the TV went up, the monkey chatter started again. So

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that was neat that for two days in a row

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before we got there, and then the maybe three or

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four days before we got there, all these vocalizations had occurred.

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And that first night that we were there, about twelve

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thirty and at one o'clock, we heard some vocalizations. We

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have them on audio. Mostly they sound like bard owls,

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and there are a lot of bar owls in the area,

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but we did have one high pitched sort of scream

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that lasted about three seconds. And once we got that

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on audio, we went and reviewed Sarah's audio that she

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had sent us and one of the vocalizations that had

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occurred in her maybe thirty or forty second audio was

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a very similar sound to that high pitched scream that

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we heard. So that was neat to get that. One

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other thing that happened I told you about us getting

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to meet people that we would have never met otherwise

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had we not been on all your podcasts. Jonathan ranged

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for us to meet a couple of BFRO people that

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were up there the net. They were there for the

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next weekend to host a BFRO camp out, but they

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were there a few days early to scout the area

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and talk to locals. So that was neat that we

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were going to be able to meet those guys as well.

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So the next morning we got up, we decided, okay,

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what are we going to do? We were there for

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a couple of days, so we just looked on the

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map and found some forest roads and say, hey, let's

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go driving. So we went driving up this forest road

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does a couple of miles up from the camp and

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as we're driving along, I see this harvested area of

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area of wood is probably one hundred yards wide, maybe

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five hundred yards deep or so. That went up a

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hill and I was like, Hey, that's fresh dirt. Let's

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check that out. So we stopped in there, walked up

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and we're looking along the edge of it, and so

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I go, hey, Kurt, come look at this. We got

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I found two tracks that were coming or perpendicular to

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the area in the soft dirt on the side. There

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was like soft dirt and then hardware cars or tractors

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or whatever had gone and then soft dirt on the side.

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And so we had two fourteen inch prints. There were

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fourteen by six inch prints there and the step length

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was fifty inches, which was a pretty big step link,

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and it was the elevation change was probably maybe six inches,

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so it could have been a normal flat would have

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been a little less than that, but not much, but

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fifty inches was a pretty big step length that that.

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So we scanned it. We the scan We use the scanner,

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and then we casted that print and it turned out

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pretty well.

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And while David was casting, we noted that there was

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an x structure very close to where these prints had

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come out of the wilderness, and maybe the extra structure

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was natural, I don't know, but it just interesting that

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it was right where the Prince came out onto this

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dirt area. And then we also noticed that whole dirt

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area that David was talking about that was parking lot size,

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had been scraped out of the forest. Everything was out

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of it, all the sticks and trees. But we found

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one little log, probably about two feet in diameter that

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was sitting in the middle of that cleared out area.

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And on top of that where four or five rocks

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stacked on top of each other. And then on top

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of that there was a branch maybe four feet long

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that was balancing on top of the rocks. Now it's

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not to say a human couldn't have done that, but

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it was all we're near this X structure and where

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David had found these prints. And then also while he

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was mixing up plaster of Paris, we started hearing chatter

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coming from up the ridge just behind the X structure,

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and this was essentially the first road from our campground.

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It was about, like David said, a couple miles up

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the road. There were no other roads that appeared to

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go off that would have gone up to there, and

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there didn't appear to be any trails, and we started

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listening to how somebody got there, I don't know. Seemed

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to be in the wilderness. But we started listening to

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the chatter and it sounded like women talking, and we

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couldn't make out what was being said, whether it was

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a foreign language or not. And this probably only lasted

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for about twenty seconds or so, but it came basically

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up the ridge right behind where David was casting this print.

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Well, David was doing the casting, I decided that I

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wanted to walk on the other side of the hard

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dirt and see if maybe I could find something on

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the other side to see if maybe it had continued

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walking in that direction. And it took me, I don't know,

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thirty seconds and I found two more footprints. So I

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had the guys come over. They looked at them, they

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measured them, and they were the exact same length as

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the first two that David had found coming down off

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of the mountain. So that was pretty exciting for me.

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So that was four prints all in one in my

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third day, second day of going out and looking for Bigfoot,

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So that was really exciting for me.

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That's fantastic.

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Yeah, that's the cast from the Gifford Pincho place.

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Most listeners are on board with us about Shoe National Forest.

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It's a big place, I mean it goes.

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All over.

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Are you able to share if you were on one

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side more than the other, or is this a place

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where it's we're keeping it under wraps because it's got

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an active research area in a way, we've.

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Been asked to keep the specific name under wraps. This

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is basically the same area where those two unfortunate men

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passed away Christmas Eve, so it's the same basic area.

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Our whole time we were in Gifford Pinchot from Sunday

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to Wednesday, we basically were within a five mile radius

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of that area.

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Candy, you had. I remember the first time that I

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found a big foot track. It's just it was the

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coolest thing. It was like, how did you feel in

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that moment where you're like, oh, I found something there?

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It is?

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Well, when I found it, of course, I didn't say

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anything right away because I had to look around to

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see if I can find it another one. One to

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me just seemed like it would be a little weird

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in that area. Seemed like there should have been at

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least one more, maybe two more. So yeah, I walked around,

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looked at it from all different angles, and then I

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realized that is what I'm looking at. I am looking

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at a footprint a foot truck. So it was all right,

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you guys, I think I found some more And that

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was the very beginning of my Okay, I need let's

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keep going. I need to find some more stuff. I

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want to hear some more stuff. So it really got

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my juices flowing in that.

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Well that was cast was hardening. I left it hardened

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for about a couple more hours. We decided to go

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drive further up the road. As we're driving along, I saw,

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I guess, a structure on the right hand side, so

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I stopped and got down and looked at it. But

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what I noticed was that the these sticks were leaning

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up against a tree, but the small parts of the

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branches were down and the largest were up, and so

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that was pretty interesting to me. And I go looking

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on there, and I grabbed some of them and I

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pulled them up and they were jammed in the ground.

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And as I looked around, I saw a game trail

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going right by there, and it made a right hand

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turn right at that area, and we headed towards the road,

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and then right across the road from there, we saw

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another X structure at that area. Jonathan had told us

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that those two bigfooters had died in that area before

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six months before. So before sundown, we went driving down

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the road that they had told us about, and about

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two thirds the way up we parked and there was

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no one else around or the cars or anything, and

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Curtis was walking ahead of us about one hundred yards

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and then Candy had an interesting experience.

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We were walking out there and I had done some

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whistling prior, just playing around, and I believe it was

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Curtis and said, hey, Candy, do a whistle. So I

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did a whistle and I got a response, and I decided, Okay,

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I'm going to do another one. So I did another whistle.

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I got another response, and they're like, okay, do it

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one more time. So I did it for a third time,

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and I got another response and it was the exact

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same whistle as I whistled. And my I don't know

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if I can whistle right at the moment because I

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have lost my voice, but I was and I got

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the exact same whistle back all three times, and that

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was very interesting.

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Boy, that is I've seen that played out in Oregon,

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and it is That's one of those things where it

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makes you really question what's going on, Wow, this is

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really happening.

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Now.

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How far away would you feel that whistle that was

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returned to your Candy?

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Oh, I would say it was maybe one hundred yards

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or if not less, if not less, And I was.

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One hundred yards in front of that, and I could

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hear it too, probably if you had our two positions,

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it was in the middle of us and however far away.

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But we almost formed like a triangle. The two of

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you know, Candy and David were at one corner of

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the triangle. I was at the other, and whatever responded

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was at the third corner of the triangle.

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That's very interesting.

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So it started getting dark, you know, get dusk was coming,

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so I said, hey, let's get going. So we got

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back in the truck and we were driving out. And

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as we're driving out, I see a tree break and

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I hadn't seen it on the way in, so it

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was a fresh break with the leaves at the end

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of the break were still green. And I got out

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of the truck go check it out. And when I

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got out of the truck, I started walking over it.

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All of a sudden, I got this feeling I need my gun,

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because as we were driving I had taken my gun

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off and in the truck, and it left it there

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because we were right along the side of the road.

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I said, no, I need my gun. So I walked

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back and opened the car door, and they, Curtis and

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Candy are like, what's going on. I just said, I

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just need my gun. So I got my gun, put

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it in the holster, and then went back and started

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looking around and inspecting there.

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And I didn't originally get out because my window was

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down and this was on my side of the truck,

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and I could see it clearly just by sticking my

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head out the window. And I saw David come back,

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and like he said, we asked, what are you doing?

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And he said, I need my gun. And I've known

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David for over fifty years and he's a big guy,

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and I've seen him stop fights just with a look.

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And I've never seen him I don't even know if

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this was scared, but I've never seen him flustered. And

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I could tell he was flustered. When I said what

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are you doing? He said, I need my gun. And

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so I got out and we just to the right

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of that picture, there's a little game trail and we took.

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That back, so we walked back there and we find this.

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There's a small meadow, only about twenty yards wide and

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maybe fifty yards long, but there's definitely some trampled down

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grass in that meadow and if something big had walked

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had gone through there. So at that time I was like, yeah,

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I'm glad I got my gun.

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This was probably only one hundred yards or so, maybe

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two hundred yards from where Candy got the whistles and

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the trampled down area. David does he studies tracking, and

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he can tell you what he saw. But it looked

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relatively fresh there.

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When you see walking through the meadow, you can see

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depending how fresh it is, shine from the grass, and

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we could still see that. So it had not happened

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very much longer from the time we had been there.

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I don't know if the tree break happened at that time.

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I don't know. I know the tree break was fresh,

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but something had definitely walked through that meadow, not too

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just some time from when.

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We were there, and just and this everything that's happening here.

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This is, you said, a few miles away from that

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area where the two gentlemen went missing.

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This was on the road. This is a road that

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they were on.

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Yeah, those whistles and that tree break were essentially in

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the area where they had parked, apparently what we were

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told by some of the locals and verified by the BFRO.

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One of the BFRO people was on search and rescue

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for the valley. He wasn't on this that their rest

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their search and rescue, but he knows people who were,

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and they said that they had parked at the end

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of the road and walked in, and so we drove

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in about a mile and a half, So we were

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essentially in the same area where they were, where the

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tree break was, and where Candy got these whistles, same

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basic road.

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What were the sounds of the forest like in that

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area besides whistling.

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At that time around the tree break, I didn't hear anything.

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I didn't either that that was quiet. I think that's

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what gave David hebgb's when we got the whistles.

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I think there were probably just normal sounds, but David's right,

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it was completely silent when I got out of the truck.

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So later that night we got some vocalizations about one am.

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They predominantly sounded like owls, so we didn't think much

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of it. I tend to be an early riser. I

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got up about five and David and Candy were still asleep,

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and most of the vocalizations we had came from the

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mountain across the main road from the campground, and this

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is also where Sarah said the vocalizations had started that

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she recorded. Now she also got some on the other

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side of the campground. All of ours came from the

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mountain area. And I decided to go for a walk

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to see if I could get either up that mountain

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easily or try to look at and about a quarter

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mile down the main road, I found a road that

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looked like it cut up into the mountain and it

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went on the back side of the mountain. I walked

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up about a mile and a half. I would say

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probably didn't get anywhere near the top of this mountain,

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but I'd probably climbed a couple hundred feet. And I'm

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looking and listening as I go up, and about ten

459
00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:24.480
feet off the road, I saw a couple of bones

460
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.279
and I didn't think much of it, but I went

461
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:28.799
and looked at them, and then I realized I know

462
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.920
a little bit of about anatomy. I'm an orthopedic surgeon,

463
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:36.119
and this looked like the fore quarter of a deer.

464
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:40.640
So what was there was basically the shoulder blade of

465
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:44.079
the deer and what would be equivalent to our upper

466
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:48.160
arm or humorous, and then the forearm for us radius

467
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.960
and ona, and then the paw. And they had been

468
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.839
picked clean. But the interesting thing about it there were

469
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.519
no other bones around. And this was probably ten feet

470
00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.000
off of the road that kind of cut up behind

471
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:03.599
the mountain. They had been picked completely clean, and yet

472
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.400
they had a scavenger hadn't come in and taken the

473
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.519
bones away. They were literally anatomics sitting there with no

474
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.839
soft tissue, no ligaments, nothing holding them. But they were

475
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:16.880
all wind up, just like they would be in an

476
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:20.039
anatomy class. Now, I don't know what that meant. I

477
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.319
don't know if the animal died there, but no other

478
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.079
bones were there. It was just interesting that basically the

479
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:30.680
front quarter of this deer was ten feet off the road.

480
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.000
And then that morning, once David and Candy were up,

481
00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:36.319
we went and met those two people who were with

482
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.480
the BFRO and they told us a number of the stories,

483
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.720
including the one about what happened on Christmas Eve. They

484
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:45.759
gave us a little more information and they said in

485
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.000
their research, they had talked to a number of people

486
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:50.759
who lived in the area, a number of the locals,

487
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:55.119
and basically the locals said that they called this Skukum Valley,

488
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.440
that was the nickname they gave to it because there

489
00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.599
were a number of sasquatchs in the air end. They

490
00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:05.279
said that most of the Sasquatch were relatively friendly, I

491
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.240
guess is the right term, at least tolerant of people.

492
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.799
But they said there was one really angry Sasquatch male

493
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.640
in the area who was known to throw rocks and

494
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:17.960
bluff charge and stuff like that. So we got that

495
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:20.160
story from the BFRO people.

496
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:24.359
And this is just accounts from people that live in

497
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.599
the area, you're saying, correct.

498
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:31.240
They had They then did research by contacting known people

499
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.119
or known bigfooters in the area and getting stories, and

500
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:36.400
they said they talked to a number of people. In fact,

501
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.799
one we'll talk about in a little bit. He came

502
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:40.920
down and talked to us a little bit later in

503
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:44.039
the week. But so that yeah, they I guess. As

504
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.079
part of their research they try to find out things

505
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.640
that happen in the area so they can pass them

506
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.599
on to the campers that come. And also they know

507
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.720
where to look and where to go at night and

508
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:57.880
stuff like that. They had done research to talking to locals.

509
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.640
So later on that afternoon, after we talk to them,

510
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:02.839
we'd stop by their camp. And then we decided we

511
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.000
had such a good time at the forest road before,

512
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:07.400
let's go up a different one. So we went back

513
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.359
and went up a different forest road. So they're driving along.

514
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.240
We come around to this corner and I see this

515
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.839
road that goes off to the right, but it's gated,

516
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.640
and I go, hey, that'd be a nice easier hike.

517
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.480
So we go on there, and it was an awesome road.

518
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.200
It was there was no obstruction, we could walk easily,

519
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:24.440
but it was gated. There was no one back there.

520
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.559
And so we're walking down this road and I usually

521
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.200
Curtis and Asally tried to. I call it tactical walking.

522
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:35.160
Curtis calls it leap frogging. But usually where one person

523
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:38.160
stops and listens while the other person goes about twenty

524
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:42.759
yards ahead in case something happens while they're walking. And

525
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:46.079
so when Candy and I would go ahead, Curtis would

526
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.960
stay back and he Curtis heard something.

527
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:54.119
Yeah, we probably were maybe two hundred yards on this road.

528
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.319
I guess we ended up going about a mile, but

529
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.480
about two hundred yards in the road was up against

530
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.279
on one side a ridge that probably went up about

531
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.200
thirty feet, and we'd walked most of the way in

532
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.480
doing this tactical leap frogging walk, and about two hundred

533
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.160
yards in I started hearing something when David and Candy

534
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.079
took off, and something walking up on the ridge, and

535
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:23.000
it seemed to be paralleling them, And when I passed

536
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.279
them on my turn, I whispered to him, we'll see

537
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.839
what happens again. And I got maybe twenty or thirty

538
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.839
yards in front of him, stopped, and they took off again,

539
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.079
and the same thing happened. This happened about four or

540
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.680
five times in a row that you could literally hear

541
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:43.799
something walking up on that thirty foot ridge paralleling David

542
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.200
and Candy. And they said they listened every time I

543
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.799
would leapfrog them, and nothing ever happened when I went

544
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.200
ahead of them. But it only happened when those two

545
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:57.400
went ahead of me, So that was interesting. What it was,

546
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:02.839
I don't know, but something definitely paralleled them on this ridge.

547
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.079
So when Curtis told us about that, we decided to

548
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:09.359
keep walking looking to the left there and down some

549
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:13.200
game trails that we started, I start following and going

550
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.000
going up in that area. And I think I mentioned

551
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.559
to you last the last time when we talked about

552
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:25.039
me wanting to learn to communicate with Sasquatches. Yes, people

553
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.000
had asked me about what are you going to do

554
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.920
when you see one? And I had been for a

555
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.319
few months now, I had been They've all been laughing

556
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.240
at me, But I've been learning a Native American sign language.

557
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.920
And so when I go up to these game trails,

558
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:41.960
and I think it's almost paralleling us. I go up

559
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.759
there and I would do Native American sign language just

560
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:47.799
to the woods. I didn't see anything but hoping that

561
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.240
they're watching or seeing things. So it was fun to

562
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.079
get some of the practice and doing that. And I

563
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.319
think that I would hope that maybe the generations of

564
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.160
Sasquatches from the Native Americans, maybe they passed it on.

565
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.200
So we did hear a few whistles as we're walking

566
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:07.240
along that side. We went in about a mile and

567
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.160
a half, I heard it, said, I mean, it was awesome.

568
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.240
It was quiet as far as normal wood sounds, things

569
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.960
like that. As we went on, we rested for a

570
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.559
while had some lunch and stuff, and when we came back,

571
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.160
getting close to the truck, I heard some rock clacks

572
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:23.960
to the right above in the same ridge area where

573
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:27.839
we had heard the parallel stuff. So I grabbed a

574
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:31.319
couple of rocks from the trail and I clacked two

575
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:34.640
clacks back, and I got a response of two clacks.

576
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.240
And I clacked again three clacks, and I get a

577
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:42.920
response back of three clacks, and I clacked again two clacks.

578
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:46.319
I get response two clacks that three different times. I

579
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.960
get through the same response back at the same time,

580
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:51.200
right before we're taking off that thing. So that was

581
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.519
really cool to hear that right as we're leaving that

582
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.720
woods in that area.

583
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:03.000
That evening in camp we were just relaxing right before sunset,

584
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.079
and all the vocalizations we had heard the first couple

585
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.759
of nights. Like I said, we're across the road. We

586
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.480
were probably in the campground maybe one hundred to two

587
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:16.599
hundred yards in from the main road, and so everything

588
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:19.079
was on that mountain across the road where I found

589
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.480
that four quarter of the deer, and so yeah, I

590
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:27.000
would estimate the calls were probably a quarter mile away,

591
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.799
half mile away, something like that. But We're resting that

592
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:33.279
evening in our campground, and all of a sudden we

593
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.039
hear a whoop, and this whoop sounded like it was

594
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:41.200
fifty yards away. Now, the campground it had a road

595
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.480
that came off the main road, probably came in about

596
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.640
fifty yards maybe one hundred yards, and then the campground

597
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.440
was formed a circle, and the circle, I would guess,

598
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:54.519
is about three eighths of a mile around, and most

599
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.359
of the campsites were on the outside of the circle,

600
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.160
and the inner portion of the circle was essentially forest.

601
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.440
There were a couple of camp sites in that center portion,

602
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:08.359
but nobody camped there the whole time we were there.

603
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:12.079
And it sounded like, if we could estimate where it was,

604
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:16.039
that whatever made this call was in that center portion,

605
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.279
so maybe just two hundred feet away. So we grabbed

606
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:23.279
our gear and David started slowly walking through that center portion.

607
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.039
Candy and I walked up the road maybe seventy five

608
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.759
eighty feet and there was one of those open camp

609
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.240
sites in the center of the circle, and we went

610
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.440
into that because it was clear, and we thought we

611
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.279
could look around, but we didn't find anything, and I

612
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:43.880
knew David was crossing that central portion of the circle,

613
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.720
and so I backed out of the campground, jogged around

614
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.799
to the other side in case he flushed something out,

615
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.359
and we probably looked for a half hour or so

616
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.759
and it was getting dark. We never heard anything else,

617
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:57.880
never saw anything else. So if something had been in

618
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.599
that circle, it either an down and hid when David

619
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.359
started going through that area, or left as soon as

620
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:08.679
he started going through and was long gone. But that

621
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:12.320
was interesting. On our last evening, and then that night

622
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.880
at three am, David and I were both awakened and

623
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.920
we thought we heard bipedal footsteps in our camp and

624
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.559
we don't have anything on our audio from that, and

625
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.679
our game cameras were down by the creek. We unfortunately

626
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:32.400
didn't have any game cameras pointing at our campground. But

627
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:38.199
that was an interesting way to end our Gifford Pinchot experience.

628
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:42.519
Yeah, we had, like I said, the bart owls. There

629
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.079
were bart owl sounds, but then they would change and

630
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:47.239
get weird. So that was similar to what we had

631
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:48.480
been heard in Gypsy Meadows.

632
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:51.880
Also, Yeah, that last evening I told you that one

633
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:54.719
of the locals had dropped by, and he came by

634
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.440
that last evening. Jonathan Brown had told him we'd be

635
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.000
there and he came by, and he was a really

636
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.320
guy to talk to. He had lived in the area

637
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:04.920
all his life. He was probably in his late fifties

638
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.159
early sixties. I would guess. He said he'd had bigfoot

639
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:11.760
experiences ever since he was a teenager hunting in the area.

640
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.880
He was an outdoorsman, did a lot of hunting. Then

641
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.360
he started telling us a number of stories, and they

642
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:20.800
were all great, and then he says, hold on, see,

643
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:22.280
I got to show you something. He went to his

644
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.960
car or his truck and pulled out this long tube

645
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.159
like you'd put a poster in, or maybe a rod

646
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.880
if you're fishing, like a long cardboard tube. And he

647
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:36.679
pulled out a map. And the map was probably two

648
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.159
and a half feet by four feet, and it was

649
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:43.800
of the whole area. And he had documented all of

650
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:51.679
his experiences on this map where he'd had sightings, vocalizations, footprints.

651
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:57.000
He probably had I would guess seventy five to eighty

652
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.440
documents on this map of dots that were color coded.

653
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:05.480
Here's where I saw one, Here's where I saw footprints.

654
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:10.280
It was just amazing, and he basically from that his

655
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.639
experience of being in the area for forty five years

656
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:18.360
or so hunting, he believes and looking as map I

657
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.599
believe him he knows the migrational pattern of these beings

658
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.559
just based on the food sources in the area, when

659
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:27.920
the berriers are ripe, when the elcher around, when the

660
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.639
deer are around. And it's just amazing the document that

661
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.920
he has. So that afternoon the next day, we finally

662
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:41.800
decided it was time to go meet everybody at Gypsy Meadows.

663
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.119
So we drove up there, picked up my wife and Spokane,

664
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:49.880
and we drove up to northeast Washington, and Sarah and

665
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:53.199
Jonathan had, as David had said, had invited Willelmer and

666
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.039
Marshall White because they had done a lot of on

667
00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:59.519
YouTube in the area. They hadn't actually been to Gypsy Meadows,

668
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.880
but they and a lot of research down along Sullivan

669
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:07.320
Creek and Sullivan Lake, which are just below Gypsy Meadows.

670
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.360
And so they came and we met them in the camp,

671
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.559
talked to them around the campfire, and got to know them.

672
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:16.880
Then about one o'clock that morning, I was awakened by

673
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.559
a loud knock that sounded like it was near our camp.

674
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.239
Stayed awake for about a half hour. I didn't hear

675
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.559
anything else, never picked up that knock on my audio,

676
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.599
which was probably fifty yards away. The next day, we

677
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.039
hiked around the area with those guys, showing them some

678
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:36.880
of the things that we had seen the previous year,

679
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:40.960
including that X structure, and where other things had been,

680
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:44.239
where that one gentleman had seen the Bigfoot and that

681
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.280
kind of thing. Spent the day doing that.

682
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.079
So I sent you the picture of Gypsy Middle Camp

683
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:52.639
site so you can get a sense of what it's

684
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.760
like there. That afternoon, after we had shown them the

685
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.960
X structure, when I'd go take a nap and actually

686
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.400
went to Candy's hammock and just resting there, and all

687
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.719
of a sudden, I hear this thud like right behind me.

688
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.719
It's eight feet behind me. And when I go and look,

689
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.159
I'm looking around at the rock and I go, was

690
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.400
there some more going to come? And I actually go

691
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:20.039
look around and I most rocks are embedded in the

692
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.920
forest bed and the needles and stuff. But there was

693
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.519
one rock that was clean that was right about eight

694
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.599
feet away from my head, and I picked it up

695
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.039
and threw it up in the air and let it

696
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:31.880
land so I could see if it sounded the same

697
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.880
and it did that I brought home and it's sitting

698
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.079
on my mantle for it.

699
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:40.239
Kenny loves the decoration.

700
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:48.840
Yeah, real quick, so candy at this point. So I'm

701
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.760
speaking from experience. When I started to get into what

702
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.440
I guess you'd call fieldwork and like going out there

703
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.280
into the field and not just like watching YouTube videos

704
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.880
about it. You get to a point where you have

705
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.480
something happened where it's really pushes you over the edge

706
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:05.880
and pasted one hundred percent.

707
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:06.800
Okay, this is real.

708
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.280
Was that something that did you ever get to that

709
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.719
experience or is that something that maybe we haven't talked

710
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.320
about yet or it is yet to come for you.

711
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:20.639
We haven't talked about it yet.

712
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:27.199
Okay, so we'll talk about it a bit. It is coming, okay, yes,

713
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:27.920
it is.

714
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:29.440
So.

715
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.000
The meadow had has three campsites, and Will, Marshall and

716
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:37.960
us took up all the site campsites there so that

717
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.880
evening before dinner, about thirty minutes was right after something

718
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.360
that had thrown a rocket by my head. Will and

719
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.639
Marshall come over and they're hearing al hoots and a

720
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:52.360
loud knock from across the road. And the same year

721
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:54.960
the previous that we had heard the same group where

722
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:59.599
I had called Samurai or Sierra sounds go running through

723
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.199
there and it ran up that ridge. So when Will

724
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.440
came over and told us he had heard that, we

725
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.840
grabbed our gear and took off and went up towards

726
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.199
that ridge up behind Marshall's camp. So as we got

727
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.280
up on the main road, we get up there also

728
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.719
when we hear these two low grunts or whoo sounds

729
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:20.480
as we come up on the road. So we went

730
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.000
across the main road we started climbing up the mountain

731
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:27.840
across air. It's a really steep angle, is difficult to climb,

732
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.719
but about seventy five feet up the mountain, Will found

733
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:34.480
another X structure and I think I sent a picture

734
00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.519
of that one. It was right in line with the

735
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.920
other one that we had found a year before, right

736
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.840
behind our camp, but you couldn't see it from the road,

737
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.880
but definitely we got into that tree line that's where

738
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.840
he had found it. So we kept climbing in about

739
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.360
fifty more vertical feet up above that X, Curtis found

740
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.280
something that was really interesting.

741
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:57.639
As David said, Will found this X and it seemed

742
00:40:57.639 --> 00:40:59.679
to be in line with the other X. We had

743
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:03.039
found the year before, wasn't quite as big. But we

744
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.480
kept going up the hill, and I think you have

745
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.239
my video that was from my GoPro on my chest pack.

746
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.840
When we got to a certain area, we probably went up,

747
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:13.480
like David said, another fifty to seventy five vertical feet,

748
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.800
And in the video you can't really it doesn't give

749
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.000
you an appreciation of the steepness, but it was probably

750
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.519
forty five or fifty degrees up, so every step forward

751
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:26.280
you'd go up a foot, or every step foot forward

752
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:28.880
you go up a foot, basically. And so we got up,

753
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:31.880
like I said, about fifty to seventy five more feet,

754
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.679
and I came to this log and I realized it

755
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:38.880
was on flat ground. I could probably easily step up

756
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.880
on that log and just keep going. Since it was

757
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.079
at a forty five degree angle above me, I decided

758
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.079
to take a quick turn to the left. I probably

759
00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:49.800
went about fifteen twenty feet, and all of a sudden,

760
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.599
I saw a number of pine boughs and they were

761
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.719
all fresh, and I saw them from a distance, and

762
00:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.199
I got closer and all the pine boughs were arranged

763
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:04.400
in a circle, and David looked. I called him over

764
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:06.480
and he looked at him and called will over, and

765
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.079
David realized that some of the pine boughs were actually

766
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.840
weaved together. There was one long one that essentially went

767
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:18.360
had been bent and interwoven, so it went about halfway

768
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:20.840
around the circle. And then in the center of the

769
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:25.280
circle was a depression that literally looked like, for lack

770
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.800
of a better term, two butt cheeks. And then we

771
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.360
turned around and looked down the hill and this was

772
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.360
essentially in line with that second X. And we looked

773
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.079
further and we could see the road through the break

774
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.599
in the trees. Now you could not see this from

775
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.639
the road because of that old saying you can't see

776
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:49.960
the forest for the trees, but when you were in

777
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.559
the trees, you could see through breaks you could see

778
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.840
the road. So this was a perfect observation point to

779
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.360
watch the road. And then we looked even further and

780
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.880
you could we were high enough up the mountain that

781
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.119
you could look over the top of the trees that

782
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.800
were between our camp and the main road, and you

783
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:11.480
could see the far side of the meadow, not very

784
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:14.599
much of it, but you could see the creek and

785
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.880
just maybe a few feet of the meadow itself. So

786
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.440
from that position of that picture that you see there,

787
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.800
you could observe the road and you could observe a

788
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.480
portion of the meadow. So that was crazy to find

789
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.400
this thing. And the year before and this year we

790
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:37.280
had always heard things up on that ridge and this

791
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.480
was a flat area. I know that I said it

792
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.519
was mostly vertical, but this was maybe a six y

793
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.719
ten foot area that was just flat. I don't know

794
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.679
if it was naturally flat or it had been made flat,

795
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.360
but these pine boughs were interwoven to create a seat.

796
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:55.639
It wasn't big enough for anything to sleep in. It

797
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:59.599
wasn't a nest. It was probably, would you say, David,

798
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.519
maybe four and a half five feet across something with that.

799
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:07.119
Yeah, it was probably five feet across. And the other

800
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.079
if you remember heard of the interesting thing is that

801
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:13.440
Will was looking around and he actually found knuckle imprints

802
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.559
on the snide. If something would put your knuckles to

803
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.320
on the ground to push up on the side of

804
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:24.440
the that seat or perch as we call it, that's

805
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:25.960
where the knuckle prints were.

806
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:29.360
I'm going to play that video real quick of the

807
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:41.599
same area.

808
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:44.519
Can I imagine or is that a place to sit?

809
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:49.880
It doesn't look like a place to lay down, but

810
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:54.039
it might be a place to sit. And we saw

811
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:56.000
that car go by, so you can see the road

812
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:03.920
probably ext Yeah, yeah, it was all we were around.

813
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:18.719
It may not be, but I don't know.

814
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.360
That is so cool man, And so that's you two guys,

815
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:26.039
and Will's with you right there.

816
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:30.679
Yes, Marshall, he was with us as well, but he

817
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:33.920
was further up the mountain. After we found that, we

818
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.119
documented it with pictures, we did not cast it. Marshall

819
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:39.880
had gone further ahead and we caught up with him,

820
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.159
and we eventually came to a rock wall that we

821
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.360
couldn't get past, so we didn't go any further. We

822
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:47.599
starting to get a little close to dark, so we

823
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.119
went back to our camp and split up for dinner.

824
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:56.760
And while Will and Marshall were in their campsite eating dinner,

825
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.760
they heard whoops coming from that area. And then later

826
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.679
that night we were all around the campfire, which is

827
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.760
kind of what we tended to do in the evenings,

828
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.679
and while we were around the campfire, a rock hit

829
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:16.239
a tree close to us. We don't have it on

830
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:20.039
a recorder, but it hit a tree, and then probably

831
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.840
twenty seconds after the rock hit the tree, we heard

832
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:26.920
two knocks coming from up in that ridge where the

833
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.119
pine boughs were formed in a circle there. They got

834
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.239
a response shortly after after we got down, maybe twenty

835
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.880
minutes after while they were eating dinner, and then later

836
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.039
that evening we got another response from up on that

837
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:45.280
same ridge, and then about two in the morning I

838
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:50.360
was awakened by predominantly I think they were bard owls,

839
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.199
or at least they sounded like bart owls, but they

840
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:56.199
were going off and they probably went for a minute

841
00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:01.079
or two, different ones calling from around the valley. And

842
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.239
the reason I mentioned this is both in twenty twenty

843
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.119
four and then again this year, on both of our trips,

844
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.800
bard owl calls were associated with strange things that happened.

845
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:18.800
So we came up with a couple of different theories.

846
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.079
We've talked to a number of people. Perhaps all the

847
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:26.800
vocalizations we heard were barn owl's, and that is one option.

848
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.440
A lot of people say bart owls can make weird calls.

849
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.880
Most of the calls may have been bard owl's, but

850
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.639
that would not explain the sierra sounds that David heard.

851
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:42.599
And if you remember, the sierra sounds that David heard

852
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.920
were witnessed by another group of campers who were awaking

853
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.880
that same night, and they said that whatever made those

854
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:53.760
calls run through their camp. So I don't think those

855
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:57.760
were owls, but maybe the vast majority of the rest

856
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.960
of the calls were out. Second theory is that Bigfoot

857
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.079
is mimicking owls at some point. Maybe still most of

858
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.760
the calls are owls, but we have had times where

859
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:13.039
the calls degenerate into other calls. They go from the

860
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.199
call of a bart owl to woops, or a car

861
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.719
call of the bart owl to a whistle. Our third

862
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:24.960
theory is perhaps Bigfoot is using the bard owl calls

863
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:30.480
to mask their movements and or eventual calls like the whoops.

864
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.920
Whatever is involved there, whether it's predominantly bart owls or bigfoot.

865
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:40.719
Strangeness always seems to occur right afterwards. And about an

866
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:44.000
hour or so after these calls I heard is when

867
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:48.400
Candy became one hundred percent of a believer.

868
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:52.920
Let me just see if I can get you a

869
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.599
little picture here. My husband decided that it would be

870
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:59.400
really fun if he brought this little, itty bitty tiny

871
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:04.400
two man and put himself and myself in this tin.

872
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.000
It was so small. If I turned to the left,

873
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.840
my face would be smashed with the tint. So that

874
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:16.559
night I woke up a few times, should say in

875
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:18.719
the middle of the night. Woke up a few times,

876
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:22.239
and I thought I could hear what seemed to be

877
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:28.079
like really soft walking, and it was up behind our tent.

878
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:34.400
I was awake. It was, I believe, just starting to

879
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.360
get a little light outside, and I was laying on

880
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:42.280
my right side and I was looking at David, and

881
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:44.559
I was trying to figure out how in the world

882
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:48.039
can someone sleep on their stomach and snore so loud,

883
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.320
And just so you know, that was the noise that

884
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.440
I was hearing. But all of a sudden, I had

885
00:49:56.559 --> 00:50:01.559
something poke into the tent, push in on my thigh,

886
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:04.480
and then released and.

887
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:05.159
Went back out.

888
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:11.239
And I just started hitting David, yelling at him, telling

889
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:14.719
him to wake up. Something has just touched me through

890
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.440
the tent. I could tell that it was not the

891
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:25.239
nose of something of an animal. It was seemed flat

892
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:29.679
and big, and when it pushed into my thigh, it

893
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.440
pushed in gently. It wasn't a strong trying to hurt me.

894
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.039
I didn't have that kind of a feeling, but it

895
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:43.840
was enough that it really scared me. And so it

896
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:47.559
took this guy about a minute to wake up, get

897
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:52.079
turned over, unzip the tent, get the flashlight, then get

898
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.760
his gun, then stand up, and we didn't see anything.

899
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:00.280
There was nothing there. Leanless to say. After that, the

900
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:04.480
last two nights, I took our bags that had our

901
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:08.239
clothes in them, and I built a wall on that

902
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.400
side of the tent and so I slept between my

903
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.280
bags and David. And the next time we're going, we're

904
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.679
getting a nice probably seven to eight man person tent

905
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.039
so that I have room to sleep in the middle.

906
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:22.000
Absolutely.

907
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:26.639
Absolutely Wow, So now your way into the Yeah, there's

908
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:29.679
something real out there territory. Yeah, that would do it.

909
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:30.960
Thank goodness.

910
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:32.880
That was very exciting.

911
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:37.360
So one thing that was interesting that later on Candy

912
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:41.400
told me about was that at night she would go

913
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.320
out if she needed to go to the bathroom. She

914
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.400
got tend to go out behind the tent area and

915
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:49.039
it'd be a hole put her she'd put her toilet

916
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.559
paper in. But she found this volleyball sized rock that

917
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:56.039
she would put over the hole where the toilet paper went.

918
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.920
And every time she went back, something had picked moved

919
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.920
that rock about two feet to the side off off

920
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:06.840
the hole, and she would go back and she'd put

921
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.000
it back when she had done, and it'd be moved again.

922
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:12.320
And when she had told us that, we started putting

923
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.920
a couple things together, wondering if whatever had been smelling

924
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:19.199
and that toilet paper had tracked her to the tent,

925
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.039
and that had pushed to see if that's where it

926
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.639
the odor had been, or where she had tracked her

927
00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:25.800
odor to that area.

928
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:32.760
And interestingly, Terry would do the same thing, except she

929
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.519
brought her toilet paper back to the campfire and through

930
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.920
it in the campfire every night, and so there was

931
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:43.320
nothing left in the forest to smell and associate with her.

932
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.079
So it's interesting that Candy's the one that got touched

933
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.199
when her toilet paper was in the forest, and Will

934
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:54.320
had set up his thermal that night pointing right towards

935
00:52:54.320 --> 00:53:02.960
our camp. Unfortunately, David's big truck was between the thermal

936
00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:07.960
and the tent, so nothing ever showed up on Will's thermal,

937
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:13.760
just like, yeah, they just seemed to know the electronics are.

938
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.199
So the next morning all of us went on a

939
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:23.320
different hikes across into the wilderness. And you can get

940
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:25.440
to the wilderness two different ways. You can either cross

941
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:27.239
the creek or at the end of the meadow, there's

942
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.039
a trail. You eventually have to cross the creek too

943
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.440
if you go through the trail. But the guys Will

944
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:37.039
and Marshall and Aaron went on a morning hike and

945
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.840
they crossed the creek right by our camp and they

946
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.960
were gone for a couple of hours when they came

947
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.480
back basically at the opening of that trailhead at the

948
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.920
end of the at the end of the meadow. The

949
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.679
four of us went on a hike in the afternoon

950
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:53.519
and we both left and came back via that trailhead,

951
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:55.760
and none of us saw anything out of the ordinary.

952
00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:58.840
The next morning, I woke up at about five point

953
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.760
thirty and everybody was asleep, and I decided to go

954
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:03.960
for a hike and I was going to go down

955
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:06.480
to that trailhead. And Will had just he was in

956
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:10.119
the last campground by the trailhead, and he was just

957
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:12.840
getting up as well, and he was starting his fire,

958
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:15.480
and we talked for a couple of minutes, and I said,

959
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.440
I'll be back in ten or fifteen minutes. I'm just

960
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.400
going to go for a quick hike. And I got

961
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.719
down to right before the trailhead, and all of a sudden,

962
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:26.360
I noticed two sticks, probably about five feet long each

963
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.039
making an X on the ground. They weren't up in

964
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.719
the air. They were lying on the laying on the ground,

965
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.960
essentially right in front of the trailhead, and it was

966
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.079
so obvious. I started thinking, how did I miss that?

967
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:42.559
The night before when we got back from our hike

968
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.599
around four thirty or five, And so I went back

969
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:47.599
before I went on a hike, and I went back

970
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:49.760
to get Will, and I asked him had they seen

971
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.000
it when they got done with their hike, and he

972
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.480
said no, And eventually everybody gets up. Nobody had seen it.

973
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.440
We've even gone back and looked at pictures and some

974
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:02.239
drone footage that Will had taken. It was not there

975
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:06.119
before on any of the pictures, and none of us

976
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:10.199
had seen it when we passed that. So somewhere between

977
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:13.320
four thirty five, when we got back in the evening

978
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.679
from our hike, and then five thirty in the morning

979
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.039
when I was hiking out the trailhead, something had placed

980
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:24.039
those sticks on the ground forming an X. There were

981
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:28.760
people camped probably a quarter mile away. We never saw

982
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.960
anybody come into the meadow, So what put it there,

983
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.880
I don't know, But that spot we didn't know it

984
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:39.639
at the time, but in August our August trip, something

985
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.440
else happened at that exact spot.

986
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.280
So Jonathan's and Sarah had shown up around Friday afternoon

987
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:54.159
around dusk, and after they got settled in, they came

988
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:56.599
over and we our camp was a bigger one, so

989
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:59.960
we had a campfire around that area, and we're just

990
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:04.320
telling stories about what happened on their property. And their

991
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:08.159
channel was the least Sasquatch channel that you can see

992
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.800
what they've recorded and stuff. But around eleven thirty, we

993
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.639
all heard a tree knock behind our camp and these

994
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.559
are all close to our camp that we're hearing us.

995
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:20.679
And about five minutes later, so the tree knock was

996
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.559
behind where our tenth was in our camp. But then

997
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:27.599
we heard a twig snap or a noise about one

998
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:30.800
hundred yards in the opposite direction, in the meadow from

999
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:33.920
where the camp was. So of course we all grabbed

1000
00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:37.880
our thermals and went over and started walking too that area.

1001
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:41.480
And we're standing there and we'll started speculating. He goes,

1002
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:46.199
there might be two individuals here because whatever made that

1003
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:49.599
knock over here has not had enough time to quietly

1004
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.960
walk over to this area where we heard this break,

1005
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:58.599
So if there's two of them, I think we're going

1006
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.639
to hear another response from this other side. And crazy enough,

1007
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.960
we get a knock back from the other direction, and

1008
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:12.400
it's like, I don't know anything about Bigfoot. That was

1009
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:14.880
pretty cool that he had predicted that was going to happen,

1010
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:15.840
And just.

1011
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.519
To quickly interrupt and give a perspective for people who

1012
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.719
don't have a picture of where all this occurred, those

1013
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:26.559
two knocks came from basically the same place where Candy's

1014
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:31.239
little rock had been moved, and also where the year

1015
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:37.199
before those individuals had run through the camp and had

1016
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:41.599
everybody David and those two campers heard Sierra sounds. So

1017
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.239
same basic area right behind that one campsite.

1018
00:57:46.599 --> 00:57:49.440
And so as we're looking around our thermals, we'll notice

1019
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:51.880
is that a motion light goes off in his camp

1020
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.519
that's at the end of the meadow from our camp.

1021
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.039
So he goes over to investigate, and I'm looking at

1022
00:57:57.039 --> 00:58:00.360
my thermal down the meadow and I just saw quick

1023
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:03.239
motion right on the edge. I could not tell what

1024
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.119
it was. I know it was on the edge of

1025
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:08.039
the meadow right across from his camp. I couldn't say

1026
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.000
what size it was I just saw a quick heat

1027
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:15.199
signature just move out. So that was interesting when he

1028
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:17.840
had that motion light come on and he had a setup,

1029
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.920
so it wasn't going to go off for limbs moving

1030
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:22.079
or trees moving or things like that. And there was

1031
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:23.840
no wind at that point with.

1032
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:27.480
That, So yeah, all that had occurred in about ten

1033
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:32.639
or fifteen minutes. Basically the meadow was surrounded by knocks,

1034
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:36.920
a branch break, and a motion like going off at

1035
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:42.599
all three corners of the meadow basically. So the next

1036
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:48.480
day Sarah and Jonathan did their filming and interviews, and

1037
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:51.480
so did Will, and that evening all of us got

1038
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:56.039
around the campfire again because that's when we had told

1039
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:58.280
stories and that's when everything had happened the night before,

1040
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:01.119
and not a lot had really happened that night. We

1041
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.119
kind of stayed up till about twelve thirty quarter or one,

1042
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.960
just talking and then we all went to bed, and

1043
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.440
about an hour after that, David and I were both

1044
00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:19.199
awakened by multiple bar owls calling from around the whole valley.

1045
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.199
And I think I sent you an audio of that,

1046
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.400
but you can tell there are probably three or four

1047
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:28.639
different volumes of the bard owl, and they went for

1048
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.199
about four or five minutes, and right in the middle

1049
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.599
on the audio, it sounds like a high pitched shriek.

1050
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.960
When David and I talked about it the next morning,

1051
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:41.639
we both thought we had heard monkey cheder who eee

1052
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:44.679
in the middle of the night during that five to

1053
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:48.639
ten second span where the high pitched shriek was. We've

1054
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.760
had some people listen to it. Nobody really knows what

1055
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.360
it was. Some people say it's an owl, and that

1056
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:57.199
owls can do a high pitched shriek. But even if

1057
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:01.079
it was an owl, I told you that seemed like

1058
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:05.920
a lot of these alcols seemed to proceed other things happening,

1059
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:10.840
or come after other things happened. That was our last

1060
01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:14.360
night there. We all went back home and the next

1061
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:17.719
morning Will sent us a video about a week or

1062
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:21.280
two later, and he has now about a week ago

1063
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:23.599
published that video, so you can go to his channel

1064
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:26.079
if you want to see it. He had moved his

1065
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:30.440
thermal to a different part of the meadow to try

1066
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:34.440
to get a view of Candy's camp or Candy's tent

1067
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:39.000
in case that individual came back and tried touching her again,

1068
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.559
and so instead of looking long ways down the meadow.

1069
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:47.239
He was looking across the meadow and he started reviewing

1070
01:00:47.280 --> 01:00:49.480
all of that video from that night, and it was

1071
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:54.559
a thermal video, and he noticed something looked like a head,

1072
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:59.440
just a white hot head, peeking out from behind a tree.

1073
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:04.119
And he has about a thirty minute period where this thing,

1074
01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.599
this white blob. You can see it slowly come out

1075
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:13.239
from behind the tree and go back, slowly, come out,

1076
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:16.920
go back. It probably came out, what would you say, David,

1077
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:19.920
thirty or forty times at that thirty minutes. I don't know.

1078
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.639
Yeah, at the end he decided he had to just

1079
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:27.480
his thermal to the left, but had been there for

1080
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:29.719
thirty minutes and it was there before he started it,

1081
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:31.440
right when he started his thermal, and it was there

1082
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:34.360
when he had moved it, So I don't know how

1083
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:37.639
long it stayed there, but it definitely was reacting like

1084
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.559
when someone would walk by the truck or something like that.

1085
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:43.000
It would definitely move back and they would go back

1086
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.599
to the campfire. He would come back out, and there's

1087
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.880
a couple of spots that you can see on his

1088
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:51.480
video where it actually looked pretty big. So we I

1089
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.239
don't know that was after we he got the video

1090
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:56.639
about a week or two after we got back from that,

1091
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.719
and so that was he was one to get back

1092
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:02.360
and do a recreation of that.

1093
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:06.119
We ended up doing that recreation in August. We'll talk

1094
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:08.840
more about our August trip, but just since it's related

1095
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:13.199
to this. Bill Bisson, whose Selkirk Mountain Sasquatch, came with

1096
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:15.599
us in the August trip and he sort of acted

1097
01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:20.159
as our peaker. We found the tree that the thing

1098
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:23.159
had been looking whatever it was coming out with the head.

1099
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.880
That tree was sixty feet from our campfire. That's it.

1100
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.079
And the reason you don't see any more of the

1101
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:35.079
body is there's a berm of dirt and so it

1102
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:38.719
could not peak the other way and see us. It

1103
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:40.880
had to peak only one way, and so it kept

1104
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.880
coming out. And in the recreation. Bill is six'. Two

1105
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:50.039
he's a big. Guy the average human head is about

1106
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:53.280
six inches from side to, side six to six and

1107
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:57.360
a half, inches and this thing was just under fifty

1108
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:02.960
percent wider Than bill's, head so probably was about eight

1109
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:06.519
eight and a half inches. Across AND i did some

1110
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:11.000
Research andre the, giant who was seven, four five hundred,

1111
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:15.559
pounds his head was eight inches side, Decide so that

1112
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:20.039
gives you an estimate of the size of whatever was

1113
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.119
looking at us in the middle of the. Night and

1114
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.679
it's a crazy. Video you may not want to watch

1115
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.280
a half hour of, it but he put the whole

1116
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.800
half hour there so you could see how many times

1117
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:34.880
it came. Out and he has a. Scale he was

1118
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:38.880
able to line Up bill's head and the individual's, head

1119
01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.960
and you can see what the. Ruler it's almost fifty percent.

1120
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:46.960
Wider the other interesting, thing you could See bill's. Neck

1121
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.639
you could not see a neck on this. Individual you

1122
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:56.119
just saw a. Head that kind of ended Our june

1123
01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:59.679
trip To Gypsy, meadows and we had decided we were

1124
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.800
going to go back one more time In, august and

1125
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.239
we had a number of things that happened there too.

1126
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.000
To just, so so both of those, trips you're traveling

1127
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:11.840
two thousand miles to get, there correct.

1128
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:18.079
A thousand each. WAY i guess that is so. Intense.

1129
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.800
Wow probably maybe we wouldn't be going back if things

1130
01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:25.400
didn't keep, happening BUT i get that those are. Happening

1131
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:29.599
we will probably, always even Though kenny said she wants

1132
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.480
to go all around the, country our heart is At

1133
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.599
Gypsy meadows. Now we'll probably always at some point return

1134
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:36.719
to do some more.

1135
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:42.039
Observation, yeah so we understand that it's very unusual for

1136
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:44.199
something to happen every time we've gone, out and we

1137
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:46.440
know that everyone ninety percent of time you go out,

1138
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:48.639
bigfooting you're not going to find anything or see. Anything

1139
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:53.119
but we've been very fortunate in what we've. Done so

1140
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.559
we had discussed. Before we didn't know what was going

1141
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.440
to happen when we went up With sarah And, john

1142
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.800
and it was great to Eat will And, marshall but

1143
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:04.679
we had decided before we went up there that we

1144
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:07.760
wanted to go back at the same time that we

1145
01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:10.880
had been there the year, before so we had already

1146
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:13.800
planned to go back In august at the same week

1147
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:17.440
that we had been, There so even though we had

1148
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.199
done a trip with, them it was already in the

1149
01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.280
works for. It so when we were going, BACK i

1150
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.119
got a hold Of will and, said, hey we're going,

1151
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:27.920
up do you want to come join? Us and he, said,

1152
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.320
yeah that'd be, Great and he really wanted to come

1153
01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:35.320
back up and recreate that situation with the thermal and

1154
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:37.760
we had put my truck in the same spot and

1155
01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:42.159
everything to make it just the way it, was so

1156
01:05:42.199 --> 01:05:43.760
he was glad to come up and we had a

1157
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:49.199
good time when. There so When will came he decided to.

1158
01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:51.760
Stay they stayed in the campground that was out by

1159
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:54.920
the bathroom area where the other gentleman had witnessed that

1160
01:05:56.199 --> 01:06:01.280
all ten staf. Squatch so we got, there we Met

1161
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:04.119
randy Lut he was the gentleman who had seen that

1162
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:07.719
sasquatch in twenty twenty. Four he had been Seeing will's

1163
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:12.800
videos And salice sasquatches videos and he was, LIKE i was,

1164
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:16.679
THERE i met those. Guys so he decided that he

1165
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:18.639
wanted to come. Up he had we had said we

1166
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:20.800
were going up In august at the same, week so

1167
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:23.199
he came up there again and camped in the same.

1168
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:27.880
Spot was interesting is he told the story that we

1169
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.039
had said that we had thought that the bigfoot had

1170
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:34.159
come out from the creek by the bathroom and out

1171
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:37.440
and that was, wrong and he was he gave A

1172
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:42.360
will did a good interview with him describing that, interaction

1173
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:46.440
and it actually said that the bigfoot had or sasquatch

1174
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.639
that we think it. Was that's what it. Was. Actually

1175
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.079
Following curtis AND i as we walked out the road

1176
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:56.719
from the meadow to the, BATHROOM i had gone into the,

1177
01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.159
bathroom And curtis had kept going out to the main,

1178
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.960
road and he had seen this thing come along the

1179
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.880
opposite side of the road to the end of that

1180
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:07.239
area and turn and go back into the woods and

1181
01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:09.719
then up the ridge where we keep talking or all

1182
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:14.480
those things keep. Happening so it was interesting that it

1183
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:19.719
was following, us not just randomly walking across from the

1184
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:23.000
bathroom like we had thought it. Had that's what we had.

1185
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.800
Thought he had told, Us AND i Told, CURTIS i

1186
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:30.000
go that we have got to get our game, up

1187
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.360
because we don't walk down that. Road we're walking and

1188
01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:37.480
looking and listening and paying attention when we're. Walking and

1189
01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.840
if something's going to follow us like that and us

1190
01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.519
not know, it that is amazing that we're missing. That

1191
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.800
so it's it really opened my eyes up to, say,

1192
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.199
hey we need to do something better from that if

1193
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:52.400
we're going to miss something like that by thirty seconds that,

1194
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:55.960
morning we had multiple. Calls we didn't get it on the.

1195
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:59.519
Audio the first night THAT i got my audio, out

1196
01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:02.559
we put A we camped at the same campsite we

1197
01:08:02.599 --> 01:08:06.599
did in twenty, four the same campsite That will camped

1198
01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:10.199
In june And there is a weather station up about

1199
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:14.679
thirty yards up on the ridge above the. Camp it's

1200
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:17.319
a rain collection place and they have a post there

1201
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:19.159
AND i thought the good place to go put an

1202
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:20.880
audio up. There SO i went AND i put one

1203
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:25.720
of my audio recorders up, there and that WHEN i

1204
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:29.600
reviewed my Audio i'm getting the first NIGHT i get,

1205
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:33.439
these it's a bang AND i don't know what it.

1206
01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:37.039
Was will record it from his. Camp it was a

1207
01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:40.359
lot quieter than from my, camp but it sounds like a,

1208
01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:44.680
drum like a if someone has a steal drum and

1209
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:48.479
they're banging it in just a single. Bang AND i

1210
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:53.359
have about probably thirty of those bangs throughout the week of,

1211
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:56.399
recorded AND i don't know where they're coming. From but

1212
01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:00.880
this first NIGHT i was recording AND i heard. This

1213
01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:06.079
it's a voice of A it's like a young or

1214
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:09.840
a female voice talking right before the, bang and then

1215
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.319
it talks two or three times after the, bang AND

1216
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:16.399
i don't know. WHAT i don't know what it. Is

1217
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.119
it was in the, LENGTH i can't recognize the words

1218
01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.960
or what's being, said but it sounds like a female

1219
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.840
type voice in, there and it's up on it's coming

1220
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:28.439
from the ridge up above our. Camp there's nothing back.

1221
01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:31.359
There it's woods and forests and it's two in the.

1222
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:35.479
Morning and so what that WAS i don't, know but

1223
01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:38.199
it's an interesting audio AND i THINK i sent that to.

1224
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:40.840
You, YEAH i can play it real. Quick it's From

1225
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.039
august twenty, fourth that. One it's like a quick went. Down,

1226
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:44.560
okay here we.

1227
01:09:44.600 --> 01:10:04.960
Go, yeah that's it for. Time that's so.

1228
01:10:05.079 --> 01:10:09.119
Weird, yeah, Crazy and we hadn't heard that we'd slipped

1229
01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:12.319
right through. It the next, morning we Decided david AND

1230
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.319
i to go on a hike across the creek into the,

1231
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:19.479
wilderness and we just barely got to the, creek which

1232
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:22.479
was probably one hundred and fifty to two hundred feet

1233
01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:26.159
away from our camp is, All and we got to

1234
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:28.600
this little place where the creek sort of went around

1235
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:33.039
a little, sandbar and right in the middle of the,

1236
01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:38.199
sandbar this pebbly kind of sandy, area we found a

1237
01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:42.319
twelve inch print where you could see toes AND i

1238
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.720
think we scanned it and sent you the scan of

1239
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:49.680
that as, well and we eventually casted. It but to

1240
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:55.399
put that in, perspective the, yeah that's. It to put

1241
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:59.279
that in, Perspective david AND i both wear size. Thirteen

1242
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:02.560
our foot is about eleven and a half, inches so

1243
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:05.920
if this was a, human their foot had to be

1244
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:09.760
a size fourteen shoe give her take to do. That

1245
01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:14.039
later in the day a lady came in at the

1246
01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:16.279
end of the meadow and she brought two horses and

1247
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.920
a trailer and two. Dogs and we're wondering if that

1248
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.920
would affect any of the activity in the, area but

1249
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:26.399
we mentioned her coming in only because it does play

1250
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:29.439
a ROLE a quick little. STORY a couple of days,

1251
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:33.960
later the second, evening we didn't really hear much except

1252
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:38.840
for some. Owls but about three in the, Morning david

1253
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:42.119
had bought a motion light and similar To, will's he

1254
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.399
said it so it was a branch moving wasn't going

1255
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:48.199
to set it, off and all of a, sudden our

1256
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:51.279
light goes off at three in the morning and we

1257
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.680
both heard footsteps going through the. Camp what it WAS

1258
01:11:54.800 --> 01:12:00.159
i don't, Know but again we had cameras and thermal all,

1259
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:05.199
around and this was probably in a dead zone where

1260
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:07.000
all the cameras might have been pointed.

1261
01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:15.279
Towards and About tuesday, evening about nine, o'clock we were

1262
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:19.760
curtismir playing. Cribbage will comes down to our camp and he, says,

1263
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:23.000
HEY i just had a large tree break right behind my,

1264
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:25.600
tent and that's like within twenty yards of his, camp

1265
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:29.359
and then he was followed by a loud. Whoop so

1266
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:31.960
we hadn't set up our thermals at that time, yet

1267
01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:34.279
so we decided to go ahead and get our thermals

1268
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:37.319
that we had boughten set. Up and we're looking at

1269
01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:39.600
one lower looking the meadow and then one we put

1270
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:42.800
curtises up on the ridge behind. Us and while we're

1271
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:44.960
setting up our, thermals all of a, sudden we hear

1272
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:49.159
a knock to the northwest where we had previously been

1273
01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:52.199
the previous year put gifts up in that. Area nothing

1274
01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:53.880
had taken the, gifts but it was about one hundred

1275
01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:57.319
yards to the northeast of where we. Were was that.

1276
01:12:57.399 --> 01:12:59.760
Knock so then we decided to sit there for about

1277
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:03.159
an hour or two in front of a truck and just.

1278
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:07.359
Listen and then we started hearing like four whoops and

1279
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:09.600
the same direction as a. Knock and then this was followed

1280
01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:12.960
by strange bar. Owls they're calling back and, forth and

1281
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.359
then all of a sudden we started hearing these weird

1282
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:19.319
duck sounds coming from the fourth the direction of the first,

1283
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:21.800
knock AND i THINK i sent you that audio, too

1284
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:25.239
And i'm, going, like, what we got ducks in the. Forest,

1285
01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:29.079
now there's no ponds or or water for these ducks

1286
01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:31.039
to be sitting in around, here just in the middle of,

1287
01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:34.479
forests coming from the, woods AND i, go, now we got.

1288
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:37.680
Ducks and so that was an interesting audio there. Too

1289
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:40.960
add to the other, thing we had two different whistles

1290
01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:44.039
in the meadow in the tree, line and another whoop

1291
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.000
came from down by the, creek and then we had

1292
01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.119
another knock that was coming from the gifting site that

1293
01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:49.800
we had recorded duck sounds.

1294
01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:55.359
From so we are going to play an audio right

1295
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:57.760
now that does have a bit of static on. IT

1296
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:02.439
i would recommend turning down the volume for people that are,

1297
01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:05.960
listening and let me do that as well a little.

1298
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:06.760
Bit, okay here we.

1299
01:14:06.840 --> 01:15:45.520
Go so those were probably TEN pm ELEVEN pm that.

1300
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:50.039
Night perhaps again many of those might be bard, owls

1301
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:53.680
but we, also As david, said heard knocks and, whistles

1302
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.760
and then whatever was making that other sound that to

1303
01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:00.760
our naked ear sounded like ducks had a. Curve around ten,

1304
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:04.000
pm so we went to bed and we had set

1305
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:07.560
up our thermals when will it had come, down Like david,

1306
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.479
said and our thermals were brand, new we didn't know

1307
01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:12.960
how long the batteries would. Last so about five in the,

1308
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.039
morning we both were awakened by rain starting to come,

1309
01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:19.600
down and we both decided to get out of bed

1310
01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:23.760
and go get our thermals so they wouldn't get, damaged

1311
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:28.840
and we brought them in and as we were bringing

1312
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:32.800
in our, thermals we heard some more, hoots owl hoots

1313
01:16:32.840 --> 01:16:36.239
like those same. Ones then we heard a whoop and

1314
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:39.439
those were coming from that same gifting area That david

1315
01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:42.359
was talking. About and just to put that in, perspective

1316
01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:48.359
that gifting area is probably fifty to seventy five yards

1317
01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:52.239
in the trail head in from that trailhead where we

1318
01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:55.760
found THE, x so all those sounds were coming from,

1319
01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:58.000
there and then down at the other end of the.

1320
01:16:58.039 --> 01:16:59.640
Meadow at five in the, morning when we went to

1321
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.319
get our, thermals we heard a couple of, whistles so

1322
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:06.960
two different, areas two different, sounds and then it quieted,

1323
01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:10.079
down and after we brought in our, Thermals david decided

1324
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:15.399
to go back to, bed and about five THIRTY i

1325
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.640
Decided i'm going to go for a, walk and it

1326
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:22.119
was still pretty. Dark sunrise wasn't until five point fifty

1327
01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:26.000
six that, morning AND i was going to walk down

1328
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:30.279
to basically that bathroom area and that other campground where

1329
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.800
That Randy lute had seen a ten bigfoot the year,

1330
01:17:33.880 --> 01:17:37.399
before AND i was just going for a. Walk and

1331
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:42.600
you know That Gypsy meadows is in a. Valley it

1332
01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:46.880
surrounded on three sides by, Mountains so even if sunrise

1333
01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:51.159
was twenty five thirty minutes, away it was still pretty.

1334
01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:54.039
Dark you could maybe see a little, light there wasn't

1335
01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:57.960
much at. All definitely could not see colors or anything like.

1336
01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:00.880
THAT i went back and looked at the the moon

1337
01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:04.079
and it was a waxing moon with only about ten

1338
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:07.760
percent and moonrise wasn't even until nine to fifty, five

1339
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:10.720
so there was no light of the moon at all that.

1340
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:14.039
Morning AND i got down to the bathroom area and

1341
01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:17.159
in one of your pictures that Showed Gypsy meadows right

1342
01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:20.680
off of the main. Road if you, there there's an

1343
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:24.279
entrance to both. Campgrounds if you go to the, right

1344
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:26.039
you go To Gypsy. Meadows if you go to the,

1345
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:30.159
left you go to the other campground Where will was.

1346
01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:34.439
Staying Bill bassan and This Randy. Lute so you can

1347
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:38.279
see both little roads, there and the little roads are

1348
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:42.439
probably each about ten feet across their one lane. Roads

1349
01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:45.359
they come together there off of the main. Road AND

1350
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:49.880
i got to that fork AND i just decided to

1351
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:53.079
look down Towards will's, camp which was then where that

1352
01:18:53.239 --> 01:18:57.000
arrow is pointed down to the left, there AND i

1353
01:18:57.039 --> 01:18:59.399
saw WHAT i thought Was will standing out in front

1354
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:01.880
of his. Camp and the REASON i thought it Was.

1355
01:19:01.960 --> 01:19:06.039
Will will has a light. Jacket if you at that

1356
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:08.199
time in the, MORNING i can't tell. Colors BUT i

1357
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:13.239
see this figure from about waste up standing behind a,

1358
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:17.880
bush AND i literally my mind just went To will

1359
01:19:18.359 --> 01:19:22.680
standing there looking or, listening and SO i waved real,

1360
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.560
quick and in the three or four steps THAT i

1361
01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:29.960
took across that one ten foot, Road will did not wave,

1362
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:31.960
back AND i didn't really think much of. IT i

1363
01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:36.840
was later lasered that distance it was eighty, yards SO

1364
01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:39.439
i thought either he didn't see. Me it was still pretty.

1365
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:41.960
Dark SO i came out to the main road which

1366
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:44.720
is on the right, there took it down about one

1367
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:48.800
hundred yards and it loops back into that campground and

1368
01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:51.319
that loop comes out where you can see it right.

1369
01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:54.840
There and WHEN i got To will's, camp he wasn't

1370
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:59.039
there and nothing was standing behind that. Bush SO i

1371
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:01.319
then spent the next fifteen to twenty minutes trying to

1372
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:04.560
figure out was This? Will was this one of the other,

1373
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:09.000
Campers randy Or Bill. BASAN i literally went into each.

1374
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:11.840
CAMPGROUND i didn't want to scare anybody or. ANYTHING i

1375
01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:16.000
would take ten steps, in, look, listen nobody was, Up

1376
01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:19.520
and just across the road and down about another fifty

1377
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.439
yards there is one other campsite and a family had

1378
01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:26.199
come in the night, before SO i even walked down

1379
01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:29.079
there and peeked into their campsite to see if anybody was.

1380
01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:35.479
Up nobody was. Up so about probably a half hour,

1381
01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:38.640
later And i'm looking around this whole. TIME i think

1382
01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:43.119
there's even game cameras showing me looking, around SO i

1383
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:47.520
clearly was looking for. Something and about half hour after,

1384
01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:50.079
That will had gotten, up AND i asked, him were

1385
01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:53.159
you up an hour ago or a half hour ago

1386
01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:55.479
standing in front of your? Camp and he said, No

1387
01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:59.359
but about a half hour before, that his motion light

1388
01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.800
had gone on and he saw a shadow on his.

1389
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:07.039
Tent now the shadow did not come up very high

1390
01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:10.199
on his, tent so he thought it was probably a

1391
01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:13.399
bear or, something and it didn't cause him any. Concern

1392
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:17.800
he didn't get out of his. Bed so eventually everybody gets,

1393
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:22.439
up and nobody had been standing, there and we started

1394
01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:25.960
to recreate, it And david behind that, bush AND i

1395
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:29.199
went back out to that fork AND i looked down

1396
01:21:29.239 --> 01:21:32.640
AND i suddenly realized this thing was much larger Than.

1397
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.479
DAVID i could not tell size at when it was,

1398
01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:40.359
dark AND i couldn't tell, color and we were EIGHT

1399
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:43.600
i was eighty yards, away but it was clearly taller Than.

1400
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:46.159
David for a couple of, REASONS i saw this thing

1401
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:52.039
from about mid abdomen Up david standing behind the. BUSH

1402
01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:56.880
i could see him just from armpits. Up AND i

1403
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.560
remembered THAT i saw the top of this individual head

1404
01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.840
at about the level of a, Branch and SO i

1405
01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:06.880
started to Have david raise his, hand and he got

1406
01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.840
his hand as far extended as he, could and he

1407
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:13.039
was just barely coming to that edge of that. Branch

1408
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:17.199
for whatever had been, there we estimated was probably between

1409
01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:19.960
seven and a half and eight feet. Tall and if

1410
01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:24.119
you remember back To Randy lut's description of a tan,

1411
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:28.960
bigfoot ALL i saw was a light. COLOR i couldn't

1412
01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:31.680
tell color because it was, DARK i couldn't tell was.

1413
01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:36.199
Tan my mind just went event, to, oh that's got

1414
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:38.039
to Be will because it's standing in front of his

1415
01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:42.359
campground And will has a light colored. Jacket so WHATEVER

1416
01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:48.239
i saw was gone after about forty five seconds.

1417
01:22:52.359 --> 01:22:55.720
That so after we did, That curtis realized he probably

1418
01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:59.880
saw saw a sasquatch, there and then we were trying

1419
01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:02.399
to discussed that With will And randy and all. Them

1420
01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:04.880
we did pull the we did pull the therm or

1421
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:09.239
the game cameras From randy's in a Show's curtis looking

1422
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.439
around and walking in and things like. That it was

1423
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:15.239
pretty cool that he got to see something even though

1424
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:16.000
he didn't know he saw.

1425
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:19.600
It and once again it was in a dead. Zone,

1426
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:24.039
yeah because WHEN i got to that, SPOT i didn't

1427
01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:27.039
trigger the. Cameras it wasn't UNTIL i got closer To

1428
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:31.560
randy's camp by about thirty feet that you see me

1429
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:35.520
looking around you and you can see that spot once

1430
01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:41.359
the camera is. Triggered but from that, spot those game

1431
01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:43.960
cameras were far enough away that they wouldn't be. Triggered

1432
01:23:44.760 --> 01:23:49.439
so once again it somehow they're either lucky or they're

1433
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:52.960
good or, both but they missed all the game cameras

1434
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:53.800
that were pointed in that.

1435
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:58.520
Direction so that, afternoon all five of, us we took

1436
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:01.279
a hike across the. Creek will found a twelve and

1437
01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:05.159
a half inch, print pretty good print in some good,

1438
01:24:05.239 --> 01:24:09.520
sand and he went and casted, it AND i think

1439
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:13.079
he posted that casting on His grassman fifty eight, channel

1440
01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:17.279
but it definitely had toes. HEARD r scanned it with his.

1441
01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:34.039
Scanner so we found out later on that evening that

1442
01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:35.960
the lady who had come into the, meadow she had

1443
01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:39.760
two horses and two, dogs and one of them had

1444
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:43.920
been missing for two. Days and apparently she had gone

1445
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:46.520
on a trail ride with her dogs and went down

1446
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:50.199
to the creek bed to the left of the where

1447
01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:54.199
we were camping In june and water her horses and the,

1448
01:24:54.279 --> 01:24:58.600
dogs and she had old dog as she had, adopted

1449
01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:01.800
and all of a sudden just started shaking and getting

1450
01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:06.920
really scared and took off and it didn't Come it

1451
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:10.039
wouldn't come back into camp for two. Days we'd see

1452
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:12.199
it out on the main road once in a, while

1453
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:15.279
we'd see it walking, around but it took about two

1454
01:25:15.359 --> 01:25:17.560
days for her to be able to catch that dog

1455
01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:21.119
before she had, left and so something had scared that

1456
01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:23.800
dog when they were down by the creek over, there

1457
01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:26.319
and that was in the same direction that we had

1458
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:30.640
seen the peaker And will's video In. June with, that

1459
01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:34.319
we did go for a night. Hike there's a historic

1460
01:25:34.600 --> 01:25:38.239
copper mine. Camp it's found by a camp site. Sixteen

1461
01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:42.640
that's a Long Sullivan lake road there and it was gated.

1462
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:44.960
Off so we parked and walked up there and that

1463
01:25:45.079 --> 01:25:47.319
was cool to go at. Night we didn't see anything

1464
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.359
at that. Point the next day, though we decided to

1465
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:53.039
go back up to the same marsh that we had

1466
01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:56.039
found those sixteen and a half inch footprints the year

1467
01:25:56.079 --> 01:25:59.479
before and the ones that had a forty eight inch

1468
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:02.279
strike step. Length SO i, go we got to go

1469
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:04.640
back up there and. Look so we go up there

1470
01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:09.439
and going around the, marsh we find another really awesome,

1471
01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:12.039
footprint but that was a fifteen and a half and

1472
01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:16.720
the step length on that one was sixty. Inches it

1473
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:21.199
was six. Zero it was amazing to the next, one

1474
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:22.920
but that print was in half of. IT u was

1475
01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:24.680
in The you could see the water in the heel

1476
01:26:25.319 --> 01:26:27.199
and you could see the toes on the front of,

1477
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:29.840
it so it's too wet to cast or anything like,

1478
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:34.239
that but we'd take those pictures and video that just

1479
01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:34.880
to put.

1480
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:39.399
Sixty inches into. Perspective in a human if you had

1481
01:26:39.399 --> 01:26:43.279
a sixty inch step right foot to left, foot that

1482
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:47.800
would make you twelve feet. Tall. WOW i do not

1483
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:52.640
know bigfoot. ANATOMY i know human, anatomy but that just

1484
01:26:53.239 --> 01:26:54.520
is a crazy step.

1485
01:26:54.560 --> 01:27:15.399
Distance and THEN i THINK i sent you a picture

1486
01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:18.680
of the right over the top of it. Too, okay

1487
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:18.960
here we.

1488
01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:22.239
Go, yeah that's.

1489
01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:25.840
Them, yeah that's. It so there's a. WAGONER i definitely

1490
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:28.880
see the toes on that and the oh, yeah and

1491
01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:31.439
the heel with the with the water and the heel

1492
01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:37.840
part with. That so that NIGHT i woke up around two.

1493
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:41.239
Thirty we had some two. Whistles we got up to

1494
01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:45.159
look around the. Camp we didn't see, anything AND i

1495
01:27:45.159 --> 01:27:47.600
went back to bed AND i was just laying in

1496
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:50.039
bed there and all of a, SUDDEN i get this

1497
01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:54.199
odor by my right side of my tent and it's

1498
01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:57.439
just a, sulfur bad smelling Odor and it was only

1499
01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:00.159
there for about three to five seconds and then it,

1500
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:03.520
disappeared AND i was going something just walked through our

1501
01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:05.600
camp because most of the, time like odor is not

1502
01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:07.960
going to just going to stick, around but it just

1503
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:12.279
came and disappeared within about fifteen. Seconds so that was

1504
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:16.319
a that was an interesting. Smell SO i Told curtis

1505
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:18.239
about that the next, morning AND.

1506
01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:20.039
I had slept through THAT i didn't know that had.

1507
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:22.439
Occurred he didn't tell me until later in the. Morning but,

1508
01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:24.920
Again i'm an early, riser AND i that, MORNING i

1509
01:28:24.960 --> 01:28:28.159
woke up at five, thirty and most DAYS i either

1510
01:28:28.239 --> 01:28:32.119
went for a, walk or i'd go bring the thermals,

1511
01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:35.399
in or check the batteries on the, audio or just

1512
01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:38.840
do something Until david got. Up SO i woke up

1513
01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:40.920
at five, thirty LIKE i, said walked out into the

1514
01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:44.640
meadow to Get david's thermal to bring it, in AND

1515
01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:47.000
i brought it in and set it under our awning

1516
01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:49.920
in our, campsite AND i was going to go get my,

1517
01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:52.199
thermal which was up on the ridge behind our, camp

1518
01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:54.560
BUT i DECIDED i was going to brush my, teeth

1519
01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:58.720
AND i walked down this gravel driveway that goes into our.

1520
01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:02.439
Campsite halfway, DOWN i turned to the right to go

1521
01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:08.319
towards the bare box where THE i had my. Toothpaste

1522
01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:10.439
SO i opened the bare, box got out my toothpaste

1523
01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:13.439
started brushing my, teeth and all of a, sudden behind,

1524
01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:17.319
ME i heard this thud and then a. Clack so

1525
01:29:17.359 --> 01:29:20.600
something had clearly thrown a rock that landed in a

1526
01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:25.880
patch of dirt behind me and then landed on this gravel.

1527
01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:28.439
Driveway AND i couldn't tell which rock it was because

1528
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:31.159
they were All there were ten thousand rocks in this gravel,

1529
01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:34.319
driveway and they were all about the same. Size BUT

1530
01:29:34.439 --> 01:29:38.159
i realized something had thrown a rock at, me AND

1531
01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:41.680
i quickly turned and scanned the tree line across the.

1532
01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:44.319
Meadow and again here's WHERE i have to learn to

1533
01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:47.720
think out of the. BOX i basically looked at this

1534
01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:51.920
spot closest to our, camp which is probably twenty five yards,

1535
01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:55.600
away thinking that in order to throw one of those

1536
01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:58.640
little rocks and have it land in the dirt and

1537
01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:01.840
then dribble on to the, driveway that's where it had to.

1538
01:30:01.880 --> 01:30:05.439
BE i couldn't see. Anything So david's thermal was only

1539
01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:07.319
twenty or thirty feet. AWAY i went and got it

1540
01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:12.199
and scanned probably forty five degrees each. Way, UNFORTUNATELY i

1541
01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:14.560
did not look clear to the, right BECAUSE i figured

1542
01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:16.800
just in my brain that was too far away for

1543
01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:20.079
something to throw a. Rock saw nothing on the, thermal

1544
01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:23.239
BUT i parked the thermal WHERE i thought the rock

1545
01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:26.760
had come from and sat down and listened for, things

1546
01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:30.920
AND i ended up hearing a knock from that same

1547
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:35.960
gifting area and then a whistle down by the, creek

1548
01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:38.840
which was so the gifting area was to our right

1549
01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:42.600
or my right AS i was sitting down watching and

1550
01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:47.000
the creek was to the. Left and probably about twenty minutes,

1551
01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:50.319
Later david woke up and finally told me that a

1552
01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:54.439
couple hours before that he smelled. Something and Then david

1553
01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:58.880
had an idea and he walked into the tree line.

1554
01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:04.039
There SO i got up around six and told him

1555
01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:05.720
about the, smell and he told me about he had

1556
01:31:05.720 --> 01:31:08.119
a rock thrown at, him SO i was going, okay

1557
01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:12.279
and he had the camera pointed directly across the camp

1558
01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:14.159
into the tree, Line SO i walked into the tree

1559
01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:17.560
line and he thermaled me going in, there BUT i

1560
01:31:17.600 --> 01:31:19.600
was looking to see IF i could find, something AND

1561
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:21.920
i worked my WAY i found. IT i went into

1562
01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:26.199
the game trail and started following that around into The

1563
01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:28.680
there was a dry creek area in, there AND i

1564
01:31:28.760 --> 01:31:31.279
was looking just looking for prints or looking for anything

1565
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:34.680
in that, area AND i kept walking out AND i

1566
01:31:34.760 --> 01:31:38.159
come out towards where the at the end of the

1567
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:41.600
meadow is that there's two rocks that go into the

1568
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:44.399
trail that goes out into the wilderness, area AND i

1569
01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:47.479
come out to the left side of, that and there's

1570
01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:54.039
another game trail right, there AND i find two footprints

1571
01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:57.640
in the pine. Needles it was a definite print and

1572
01:31:57.680 --> 01:31:59.840
you could see toes on, it and the impression had

1573
01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:01.760
to be heavy because it was pretty hard ground on,

1574
01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:04.600
that like a left footed. Print and then there was

1575
01:32:04.680 --> 01:32:08.960
another one at a ninety angle off to the right

1576
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:13.520
that was embedded in the. Ground and you could see

1577
01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:18.840
my truck from that area if you're looking and peeking

1578
01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:21.000
out to watch What curtis is doing out there with

1579
01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:23.640
the game cameras and all. That but then When curtis

1580
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:27.960
walks back to the bare, box you can't see. Him

1581
01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:31.199
and at that POINT i saw WHERE i think the

1582
01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:35.720
whatever through the rock moved forward to this open area

1583
01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:39.600
where he could stand and have cover and just lean

1584
01:32:39.640 --> 01:32:42.880
out and throw a. Rock and so it was interesting

1585
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:45.479
that right WHERE i thought that they were going to

1586
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:47.800
be thrown, from which was to the right of us

1587
01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:50.520
When curtis was not in sight is when they would

1588
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:53.840
throw the. Rock that that's WHERE i found the sixteen

1589
01:32:53.880 --> 01:32:56.399
and a half inch print and about five and a

1590
01:32:56.439 --> 01:32:59.319
half inch, WIDE i think was the print when we measured,

1591
01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:02.159
that so it had a perfect view of the. Camp

1592
01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:06.079
you couldn't See curtis when he was. Rocked so when

1593
01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:11.880
we started measuring that laser fifty, yes that we had

1594
01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:15.039
to have had to be, thrown so when we recreated,

1595
01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:17.439
it we. Couldn't neither of us got close to it

1596
01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:19.880
in ten yards of the distance of that when we

1597
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:23.840
were throwing rocks with. It we talked To will since

1598
01:33:23.880 --> 01:33:26.119
our trip and he got a report he posted in

1599
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:28.600
the last video of someone else who has stayed the

1600
01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:33.239
same campsite that reported rocks being thrown at them, also but.

1601
01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:36.640
Where david found those, prints this kind of ties the

1602
01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:40.720
story From june WHERE i found THAT. X those were

1603
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:44.039
right by the, trailhead right where we found THAT x

1604
01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:48.640
coming off the trail In, june same basic area where

1605
01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:52.399
he found two prints In august and something probably is

1606
01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:55.680
where THAT i something threw a rock at me is

1607
01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:59.720
the same place that as after we all went hiking that,

1608
01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:03.159
day AN x showed up on the ground the next.

1609
01:34:03.199 --> 01:34:08.680
Morning and that's also the area probably fifty yards more

1610
01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:13.880
into the forest there Where david recorded all those bard

1611
01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:17.560
owl sounds and duck like sounds that you played that

1612
01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:20.119
had a lot of static in. Them so that area

1613
01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:22.279
and then the area at the other end of the

1614
01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:28.279
meadow Where candy was, touched seemed to be the busiest

1615
01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:31.720
areas in gypsy. Meadows and they're both on opposite ends

1616
01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:35.000
of the, meadow and they're both have good tree coverage

1617
01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:36.399
where things can hide.

1618
01:34:36.439 --> 01:34:41.960
Easily and we'll posted the video of what our investigation

1619
01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:45.640
and document of finding those prints and stuff on his,

1620
01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:48.840
channel AND i think it's titled After hours on his.

1621
01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:52.279
Channel but one thing THAT i had thought about with

1622
01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:55.159
my interest in The Native american sign language was That

1623
01:34:55.920 --> 01:35:01.920
curtis had actually communicated with that sasquatch and by waving

1624
01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:06.319
at it and the sasquatch had seen him, waves he

1625
01:35:06.439 --> 01:35:10.880
knew That curtis had seen, him and by, Waving curtis was.

1626
01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:13.760
Communicating AND i don't know if the rock throw was another.

1627
01:35:13.800 --> 01:35:16.960
Communication he wasn't trying to Hit curtis Because curtis was

1628
01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:20.680
out of sight at that, time but maybe that was

1629
01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:22.279
the same thing that happened WHEN i was in my

1630
01:35:22.359 --> 01:35:24.920
hammock and had the rock thrown close to. Me because

1631
01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:27.399
it didn't hit me, EITHER i went out into the

1632
01:35:27.399 --> 01:35:30.039
woods again at that spot and did More Native american

1633
01:35:30.119 --> 01:35:32.760
sign to the. Woods maybe no one was, watching BUT

1634
01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:37.239
i was hoping that something was watching with. That so

1635
01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:41.079
that night we decided To, Okay i'm going to put my,

1636
01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:44.119
thermal not going down the, meadow But i'm actually going

1637
01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:47.520
to put it into the woods in down that game

1638
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:51.439
trail where that. Was and so it was. Shining it

1639
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:55.000
was watching right down the game, trail and then about

1640
01:35:55.039 --> 01:35:59.039
three in the, morning my motion light went off and

1641
01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:03.000
THEN i heard this mad bard owl come from across

1642
01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:06.199
the meadow and it was, angry and it was right

1643
01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:10.960
where my thermal camera, was and it was just angry

1644
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:13.840
and took off and started walking back towards the gifting.

1645
01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:17.319
Area in about for fifteen, minutes it was just going

1646
01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:19.720
off and you could hear it moving and going all

1647
01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:21.680
the way out to the gifting, area then back around

1648
01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:24.680
across the creek and back into the, woods AND i

1649
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:28.039
was going something was, angry AND i was, like, hey

1650
01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:32.680
it didn't like me putting a thermal camera in the

1651
01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:35.880
middle of a game trail in the woods. There but

1652
01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:37.920
it went off in the same direction where we had

1653
01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:42.479
heard those strange ducks and bart owls and all that

1654
01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:44.199
in that same gifting.

1655
01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:48.119
Area So, david when you're hearing the angry bart, owl

1656
01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:51.279
you're also hearing something walking in the woods at the same.

1657
01:36:51.319 --> 01:36:55.399
TIME i didn't hear anything. Walking it's about fifty feet,

1658
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:58.359
away BUT i COULD i could follow the direction of

1659
01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:02.000
where it's coming. From it started the angry and its

1660
01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:05.000
started right where my thermal camera, was and it was

1661
01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:08.399
in the tree, line and it just moved to the,

1662
01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:11.680
north back to where that guy had thrown the, rock

1663
01:37:12.279 --> 01:37:14.840
and then into the gifting. Area and then it seemed

1664
01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:19.319
like it kept turning back the, direction crossing the creek

1665
01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:21.560
and then going back towards the other end of the

1666
01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:23.319
meadow on the other side of the. Creek but it

1667
01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:26.000
was about fifteen minutes it just went, off and it

1668
01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:29.000
was like you could tell. Anger it wasn't just a

1669
01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:34.359
normal woo who just hooting away and just. Angry so

1670
01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:38.840
that was really strange with. It that's how our trip

1671
01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:39.520
ended at that.

1672
01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:50.159
Point is anyone actively researching this area more than once

1673
01:37:50.279 --> 01:37:51.640
or twice a year that you know.

1674
01:37:51.680 --> 01:37:55.800
Of No, Wow.

1675
01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:59.319
Will spends a fair amount of time down. Below so

1676
01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:04.000
this is probably eleven MILES i believe Up Sullivan Creek,

1677
01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:08.239
road and where he has done most of his research

1678
01:38:08.279 --> 01:38:11.880
in the area is probably two or three miles closer

1679
01:38:12.000 --> 01:38:16.800
To Sullivan. Lake he has come here twice with. Us

1680
01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:20.359
and just to put it in, perspective if you still

1681
01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:23.520
have that picture up THAT i, see the road to

1682
01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:26.840
the right is The Sullivan Creek. Road it ends about

1683
01:38:26.880 --> 01:38:30.279
a mile and a half in the direction that picture

1684
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:36.039
is looking at The Salmo Priest wilderness. Trailhead so there's beyond,

1685
01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:40.960
this there's not. Much and just So Gypsy meadows is

1686
01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:45.039
just on that road going forward that you can see

1687
01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:50.720
between the. Trees it's probably two or three hundred yards in,

1688
01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:55.199
there and just across the creek which Borders Gypsy, meadows

1689
01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:59.920
The Samo Priest wilderness. Starts so there's not much beyond

1690
01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:04.520
here to our. Knowledge nobody else is researching this. Area,

1691
01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:07.840
maybe But i've looked at a lot of. Videos there

1692
01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:10.600
have been a number of, reports, However i've seen on

1693
01:39:10.640 --> 01:39:13.680
YouTube of people having rocks thrown at him in this.

1694
01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:17.199
Area will had that one that called him shortly after

1695
01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:19.880
you heard our, video and the guy said the same.

1696
01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:23.000
Thing the week before we were there In, august he

1697
01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:25.640
had rocks thrown at him in that same. Campground so

1698
01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:28.880
there have been reports from the, area BUT i have

1699
01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:32.800
not seen at least anybody on YouTube who has done

1700
01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:35.319
research exactly In Gypsy.

1701
01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:38.199
Meadows that's Wild.

1702
01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:40.520
Man, Yeah will's one of those. GUYS i need to

1703
01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:43.279
reach out to. HIM i probably could have a good

1704
01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:47.079
conversation with him as well ABOUT i haven't really talked

1705
01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:51.239
a lot about or had a lot of conversations. About

1706
01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:53.359
it's a northeast corner Of Washington.

1707
01:39:53.479 --> 01:39:57.039
Rain, yes it's about as far north and as far

1708
01:39:57.079 --> 01:40:01.399
east as you can go In. Washington we're probablyrobably five

1709
01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:06.840
miles from The canadian, border maybe eight miles from The idaho,

1710
01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:08.439
border so it's up.

1711
01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:18.079
There after really year two going, there have your feelings

1712
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:22.880
toward the area changed it? All do you think is

1713
01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:26.560
it you, know is even more that, yes there's a

1714
01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:30.039
sasquatch there or what are your feelings towards the area

1715
01:40:30.079 --> 01:40:30.880
after the second.

1716
01:40:30.960 --> 01:40:37.079
Year, YEAH i think that they're definitely stuff. There LIKE i,

1717
01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:40.159
said we've had things happen every single time we've, gone

1718
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:43.359
SO i, think Like curtis, said we're attached to. It

1719
01:40:44.119 --> 01:40:45.560
as far as that, goes it's a heck of a

1720
01:40:45.600 --> 01:40:49.359
long way to. Go it's two one, thousand over one

1721
01:40:49.359 --> 01:40:52.920
thousand miles up. There but we definitely enjoyed every time

1722
01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:55.640
we go up. THERE i think there's other areas that

1723
01:40:55.720 --> 01:40:59.159
we can go. To i've had local contact of some

1724
01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:02.000
hunters and meet with me that have got some areas

1725
01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:06.079
up here By Sonora pass and they're interested in taking

1726
01:41:06.119 --> 01:41:08.680
me up in that. Area my son he wants us

1727
01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:12.039
to come out there and take him. Out he's a

1728
01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:16.520
total skeptic. Though he doesn't believe in, this and so

1729
01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:19.279
he wants to come here what we're talking. About so

1730
01:41:21.239 --> 01:41:24.199
Luckily curtis's retired and is able to do all this

1731
01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:27.079
research and, stuff watch all THE i get videos every

1732
01:41:27.119 --> 01:41:32.079
day From curtis and he has to listen to the

1733
01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:35.800
To but so we're definitely we're. Stuck we're going down

1734
01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:38.119
the rabbit hole WHERE i know we're gonna be going

1735
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:40.680
back To Gypsy meadows at some. Point we got an

1736
01:41:40.840 --> 01:41:44.800
invite to the guy up In Giffer pinchot to come

1737
01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:45.960
up in the, spring.

1738
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:48.359
The guy with the, map the guy with the.

1739
01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:52.880
Map we haven't finalized that, yet but we're probably gonna

1740
01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:57.119
do that and maybe in the summer go again up

1741
01:41:57.159 --> 01:42:00.840
To washington and see if we can take our bait

1742
01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:03.640
with to get the sasquatch out. Again.

1743
01:42:06.039 --> 01:42:10.279
Wow that is, super super, exciting and it is cool

1744
01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:14.840
that you do have some potential things going on in your.

1745
01:42:14.880 --> 01:42:18.520
Area that's that you could look into maybe some. Leads

1746
01:42:18.600 --> 01:42:21.000
that's SOMETHING i was going to ask here at the,

1747
01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:24.960
end as if you've ever considered looking into stuff around

1748
01:42:25.239 --> 01:42:28.800
your kind of home base area and that that's cool

1749
01:42:29.079 --> 01:42:32.479
to always have that as a as a backup plan for.

1750
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:35.239
Sure but, man, YEAH i get it once you get

1751
01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:36.119
that one.

1752
01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:36.920
Area for, me.

1753
01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:43.479
It's just outside Of Okrage oregans and go back out

1754
01:42:43.520 --> 01:42:46.600
there every year UNTIL i can't go out there. Anymore

1755
01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:48.600
it's just it's just it really draws you to. It

1756
01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:51.479
it's a weird. Thing And i'm sure even, So, candy

1757
01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:54.239
do you what are your? Feelings do you get it?

1758
01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:56.840
Now you get, it like the draft or the draw

1759
01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:58.720
to go back to a, place or what are your

1760
01:42:58.760 --> 01:42:59.680
feelings towards all?

1761
01:42:59.720 --> 01:42:59.800
This?

1762
01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:04.239
YEAH i think being A newbiet LIKE i, am and

1763
01:43:04.279 --> 01:43:09.000
then on my very first, OUTING i find PRINTS i hear,

1764
01:43:09.079 --> 01:43:13.880
NOISES i whistle and get. RESPONSES i get touched in my.

1765
01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:18.880
Tent my rock gets moved every. NIGHT i would say

1766
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:24.239
that was a pretty good first time out for someone

1767
01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:28.520
who was on the fence and not REALLY i don't

1768
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:31.000
know about. This i'm not sure if this is really

1769
01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:34.279
real or. Not but going out and having the experience

1770
01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:38.640
is completely. Different you have to go. Out you have to,

1771
01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:41.880
see you have to. Hear it's not the same watching

1772
01:43:41.920 --> 01:43:43.439
it ON. Tv you have to.

1773
01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:48.000
Go, yeah go with don't just go out by. YOURSELF

1774
01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:52.319
i know you guys, Know i'm talking to the. Listeners

1775
01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:54.359
if there's someone out, there oh, Yeah i'm going to

1776
01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:57.880
go by myself the first. Time probably Not probably you

1777
01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:01.119
should go with someone who knows what they're, doing just

1778
01:44:01.239 --> 01:44:03.640
you can learn the ropes that would. BE i would

1779
01:44:03.640 --> 01:44:04.680
recommend that being a good.

1780
01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:07.520
Idea david AND i didn't take your. Recommendation now that's.

1781
01:44:07.680 --> 01:44:10.880
Calf you guys weren't like out by yourselves, though.

1782
01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:14.159
Right we went. Together we went. Together we had researched

1783
01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:17.760
it ahead of, time we had, protection we had first.

1784
01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:22.119
Aid we're both, doctors so we felt comfortable and we're

1785
01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:24.560
going back to that. Trip we thought it was a backpacking.

1786
01:44:24.600 --> 01:44:28.199
Trip we never ever we called it a big footing,

1787
01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:32.479
trip but we never ever expected to find. Anything so

1788
01:44:32.600 --> 01:44:35.159
we've been extremely. Lucky we thought we were just going

1789
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:39.079
backpacking In, california and then all those things, happened and

1790
01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:42.479
like you, said we're now hooked and probably going to

1791
01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:44.640
continue to do it till like you, said we can't

1792
01:44:44.640 --> 01:44:45.399
do it. Anymore.

1793
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:49.880
Absolutely, yeah and, Listeners we've talked about a few other YouTube.

1794
01:44:49.960 --> 01:44:54.399
Channels i'll have those linked in the comments in this whole.

1795
01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:57.760
Time for them to go up again was really cool

1796
01:44:57.760 --> 01:45:00.319
because it was documented a few different. Ways you can

1797
01:45:00.359 --> 01:45:03.680
actually SEE i think it's actually documented On jonathan And

1798
01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:07.439
Sarah brown's channel about The gifford Ben cho stuff, too.

1799
01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:08.560
RIGHT i think that's AN es.

1800
01:45:08.880 --> 01:45:12.680
Video she has a short out just with the audio,

1801
01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:16.239
sounds and then she has a whole probably about three weeks,

1802
01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:19.119
ago put out a maybe a thirty minute video on

1803
01:45:19.279 --> 01:45:22.399
what they found At Gifford Pinchot and that was literally

1804
01:45:22.880 --> 01:45:27.640
two or three days before we were in the same. CAMPSITE, ok, gotcha?

1805
01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:28.159
Gotcha?

1806
01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:30.399
Man, guys what a crazy.

1807
01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:34.600
Update just some fantastic news to share from you. Guys

1808
01:45:34.600 --> 01:45:37.000
thank you for coming on the show and for sharing

1809
01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:41.760
what you've experienced the second year out to these places

1810
01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:46.399
and who knows what the what the future will. Bring,

1811
01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:50.359
man if guys or if, people do you have a

1812
01:45:50.359 --> 01:45:52.439
way for people to contact you if they want to

1813
01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:55.239
reach out and be, like, Hey i've been To Gypsy

1814
01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:57.960
meadows too AND i had the same thing. HAPPEN i

1815
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:01.239
can't remember if last time we had any contact way or,

1816
01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:03.600
yeah that's.

1817
01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:06.800
FINE i think you have my email OF i don't

1818
01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:09.479
know if you can put that on the info on

1819
01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:12.800
the video or we don't even. Care probably have them

1820
01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:14.600
email us and then we can give them our number

1821
01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:16.880
or something like. THAT i think you Have david's at

1822
01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:19.479
contact info. Too we're happy to have people call. Us

1823
01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:21.760
we want to hear about that. Stuff we just were

1824
01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:25.359
contacted probably two or three weeks ago by another guy

1825
01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:28.479
who was In Gifford pinchot and he saw some of

1826
01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:31.880
the stuff that we had talked about and he's comparing

1827
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:36.199
his vocalizations to ones we. Found, so LIKE i, said

1828
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:39.159
we got into this as newbies three years, ago and

1829
01:46:39.359 --> 01:46:46.279
without you And jonathan And will And Matt, napp we'd

1830
01:46:46.479 --> 01:46:48.560
still be on our. Own but we now have these

1831
01:46:48.560 --> 01:46:51.279
connections that we would have never. Had and it's great

1832
01:46:51.399 --> 01:46:55.560
because we hear stuff from these, people they hear stuff from,

1833
01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:58.359
us and sometimes it's not what you want to. Hear,

1834
01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:01.399
no that's an al or that's, nothing that's not a,

1835
01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:04.319
footprint don't worry about. It but it's still good to

1836
01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:07.560
get someone who has more knowledge and more foundation in

1837
01:47:07.640 --> 01:47:10.720
this than we. Have so we appreciate you having us on.

1838
01:47:10.840 --> 01:47:15.720
Again, absolutely thank you all for coming. On Curtis, Miller

1839
01:47:15.920 --> 01:47:18.920
David Candy. Fuller it's a pleasure meeting you for the first,

1840
01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:22.399
Time candy as, well and that definitely keep me in

1841
01:47:22.479 --> 01:47:25.119
the loop with any other things that happened to you

1842
01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:28.560
guys in the. Future but thanks for coming On. Todays

1843
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:33.159
before we wrap this, EPISODE i want to say something

1844
01:47:33.239 --> 01:47:36.439
directly to a very specific group of. Listeners if you're

1845
01:47:36.439 --> 01:47:40.199
in the, military any branch or, forces and if you've

1846
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:43.079
seen something that no one can, explain or if you're

1847
01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:46.399
A national park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1848
01:47:46.399 --> 01:47:49.840
to stay, quiet if you're a pilot who's seen something

1849
01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:52.840
strange down on the, ground or if you're with THE

1850
01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:56.840
fbi a federal, agency or working intelligence and you stumbled

1851
01:47:56.920 --> 01:48:00.640
upon something you're not allowed to talk. About and if you're, firefighter,

1852
01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:04.359
paramedic or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or

1853
01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:07.359
found tracks that didn't make. Sense if you're in the

1854
01:48:07.399 --> 01:48:11.439
logging industry on a remote oil field or a trucker

1855
01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:15.359
with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've

1856
01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:18.800
never told a. Soul and if you're a, biologist a wildlife,

1857
01:48:18.880 --> 01:48:22.600
specialist or a field researcher under contract who has found

1858
01:48:22.640 --> 01:48:26.239
evidence you're not allowed to. Report if you're a, pastor a,

1859
01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:29.720
missionary or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw

1860
01:48:29.800 --> 01:48:33.199
something that shook your, faith or if you work in the, SHADOWS,

1861
01:48:33.399 --> 01:48:37.439
CIA nsa or anything with clearance and you've seen what

1862
01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:41.000
the public, hasn't THEN i want to talk to, you

1863
01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:46.840
even if it's. Anonymous you can reach me At Bigfoot

1864
01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:50.079
society at gmail dot. Com the world needs to hear

1865
01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:53.840
what you've been forced to carry. Alone and you're not.

1866
01:48:53.960 --> 01:49:00.239
Alone you've got the, Story we've got the. Mic see

1867
01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:02.399
you in the. Woods thank you for listening to this

1868
01:49:02.439 --> 01:49:05.640
episode of The Bigfoot society. Podcast every encounter we share

1869
01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:08.319
reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we,

1870
01:49:08.399 --> 01:49:11.560
think and that the truth is often hiding just beyond

1871
01:49:11.560 --> 01:49:14.560
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1872
01:49:14.640 --> 01:49:17.319
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