Aug. 27, 2025

Thanksgiving with the Swamp Apes | Florida

Thanksgiving with the Swamp Apes | Florida
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Season 1

What happens when a Florida hunter stumbles onto more than just deer in the palmettos? In this gripping and emotional episode, we sit down with Stephen, a traditional bow maker whose life was forever changed one Thanksgiving morning in 1995. Deep inside Three Lakes Wildlife Management Area, Stephen and his hunting partner came face to face with not one — but two Sasquatch, including a massive black female clutching what may have been a baby or a pregnancy.



Stephen recounts eerie moments from the swamps — snapped oak branches, thunderous bipedal chases, and the unforgettable sight of a bow-legged creature fleeing into the palmettos. We also trace his early childhood encounter in Massachusetts, the footprint discovery in Indiana, and the anxiety that followed these life-altering experiences.



From Island Pond to Johnson Slough, this episode digs into what it means to be a knower — and why one family of swamp apes left a hunter forever changed. More than just a sighting, this story raises questions about fear, belief, and the truths hiding in our forests.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account comes from a hunter who spent decades in

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the swamps of Florida. Thanksgiving morning, two figures stepped out

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of the palmettos, but one of them was holding something

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no hunter ever expects to see. This is one account

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you definitely won't want to miss, So stay with us,

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all right, Pick for a Society You've got the privilege

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of talking to Steven today. Stephen is a traditional bull

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maker from down there in Florida. He's got some really

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interesting things that have happened to him over the years,

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so it's a privilege to have him on the show today.

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How are you doing today.

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Sir, Oh, I'm doing wonderful. How about yourself?

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Yeah, I'm doing great. It's not too hot up here

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in Iowa, so we're enjoying it. We're at the corn

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sweat stuff, so if people know what that is. But

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you know, I'm going to go ahead and pass things

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over to you, Steven, so that you have the time

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to share what you experienced. I can't wait to hear

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about it.

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Man.

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Okay, well, I appreciate that. It's funny you mentioned corn sweat.

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I'm in Indiana and that's where I moved to and

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oh lord.

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We got so much corn here, it's crazy. A little

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bit about me. I was born in Massachusetts and lived

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there for up until I was eighteen or nineteen years old.

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Growing up, I was kind of like the Daniel Boone kid,

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you know. I love the woods. Spent a lot of

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time in the woods and the swamps and doing all

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kinds of stuff.

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And I was always interested in the outdoors and stuff

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and hunting and fishing and stuff like that, which my

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parents did not like me hunting. We moved to.

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The Great Woods in Norton, Massachusetts, in a little cabin

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and we lived there, I don't know, for five or

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six seven years until I moved away. I was in

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a band and the guy said, hey, let's move to Florida.

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So I just turned eighteen or nineteen. I think it

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was in seventy nine, and you know, so we went

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on the road and went to Florida and I stayed

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there and I lived in Florida for forty three years

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and from there, you know, the music career. About thirty

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years into that, I injured my ears on a show

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and started realizing that. You know, the music industry is complicated,

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and I.

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Spent my whole life wanting to do this, and I

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realized that, well, I bet I have a plan b

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you know, So I started doing a lot of things

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in between. I started my own business in eighty three,

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furniture service business, finishing mostly.

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I became a focused.

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Did that for quite a few years, did upholstery and

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service repairs on various pieces of furniture and whatnot.

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Plus played in the band.

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And then I started making bows in two thousand and

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four and between two thousd in two thousand and four,

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and uh, you know, I was really passionate about it, started.

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Making them out of wood and all that.

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But uh, I just kept doing it and doing it,

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and finally people were like, hey, these are nice, you

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know I want So that was a supplementing, supplementary income

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for me. Uh And so I just continue to do that,

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and That's where I'm at today, pretty successfully and very

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happy I have what I have. So I've been into

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hunting quite a bit my whole life, mostly bow hunting.

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Started off with compound bow and then got bored with

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that and went with trad And the place where I

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saw this is a three laces.

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Wildlife management area.

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And before I get into my studing, I want to

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back up to Massachusetts again. Me and my sister and

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I I were walking through this woods and it was massive,

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but there was a trail going right through it, through

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the middle of it, and we were always out there

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playing around, and it was snow on the ground, probably

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about six inches.

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And we decided to walk out into the woods one

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day and.

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I seen these footprints and they weren't really big, but

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they were people footprints, and it looked like barefoot but

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they probably maybe at twelve or a ten in size,

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my guess, but they were exactly.

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Right in front of each other, like step four foot step,

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and it was just like a line. That's what made

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me look at it, because whatever walked didn't walk zigzagged

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like a person would do or an animal. They were

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all in a line. And I asked my sister. If

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I said, what do you think that is, you go,

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I don't know, you know. So anyway, I never forgot that,

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didn't know what it was, and moved on and you know,

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I lived my life and whatnot.

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Moved to Florida and started hunting at this place at

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Wildlife Management area, and I had that place probably fifteen

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years straight. Every year, I'd spend three weeks out there

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every year during both season and in gun season two,

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and I had some things happen a few times. There

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was this one place that I used to love to hunt.

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It was a swamp and I don't know the name

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of it. I know it was a slough and I

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want to say it's Johnson's Slough, but it's not that.

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It's some other weird name which I can't remember. Very

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spooky swamp because you had to wade through this and

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nowhere you're going. I kept a trail cut so I

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wouldn't get lost. And there was an island out there,

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probably about two three acre island. It was a high spot,

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you know. It was full of live oak trees, big

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huge one and it was a great place because the

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bucks would go out there and bed down and stuff.

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So one time I'm out there, and I used to

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go out there alone. I always had the spooks coming

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out there, and never go out there in the dark.

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I would always wait till the sun just started coming up.

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Then I would hit the swamp. And I had to use.

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Hit boots most of the time because it was deep

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and there's you know, water moccasins and alligators and pigs

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and everything else out there, so it's a little bit spooky.

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I get out in this place and I'm sitting in

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my stand.

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Probably I don't know, about ten o'clock I heard this

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huge crash on the island.

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I felt, I felt.

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It, and I was like, dang, you know, I wonder what

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that was. And it was a tree. But so it

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just kept bugging me. So I ended up leaving early.

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Probably I stayed another hour or so, and I ended

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up walking out.

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I get about fifty yards from my stand and I

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see this huge live oak branch green, probably twelve inches across.

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And live oaks grow they have big branches that are low,

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relatively low, but this one was about twelve feet up.

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I couldn't reach it. It was just completely snapped off

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right at the tree.

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And I looked at it and I said, man, there's

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no termites in this, there's no carpenter ins. And I'm like,

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wonder why this broke, you know, And I mean it

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was a big branch, so I'm like hmm.

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So I just left. Didn'tdn't think anything, you know, I'm

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mosan and out of there and kind of told the

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guys back to the camp something weird happened to me.

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And that was about it.

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Not too long after that, it might have been the

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next season, or it might have been that season, I'm

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not sure, but I was hunting in the same slough,

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but a bout them mile the way the crow flies

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opposite of which way the creek runs, and I was

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approaching it, and the wind was blowing right where I

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was approaching.

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And I knew that was wrong, but I had to

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ease through there to get to where I was going.

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And as soon as I hit the tree line.

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Which was basically salt palmettos and cypress trees, very thick

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you couldn't see in there, I heard this huge.

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Just take off through the swamp. And that's scary because

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we didn't at the time, we didn't have bear and

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you know, we.

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Had pigs and deer and stuff like that, but this

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was like a person.

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You could tell it was a bipedal because it was

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boom boom, boom, boom.

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Boom, snap, and it was breaking these big downfall timbers

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that was jumping on or you know, and deer just

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don't do that.

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And it ran very deep in there. Actually walked in

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there a little ways to see if I could get

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an eyeball on what this was. But I never did

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find out, but it freaked me out. So I left

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there immediately went back to the camp. Talk to my

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you know, I used to hunt with the same people.

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I'm like, man, you wouldn't believe what happened. And they're like, ah,

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I could have been a bear, you know, blah blah

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blah blah blah.

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And I never seen no bear tracks, no bear out there.

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And I was always in some pretty heavy areas. So

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whether it was or not, I don't know, but so

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I just kind of wrote that off. But I think

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it was the next season. Ah, I didn't see a

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whole lot during archery. It was a gun season and

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my friend Jim but Becky good friends.

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Of mine, used to hunt with them all the time.

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It was Thanksgiving Day nineteen ninety five, and I had

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my family there and my wife and kids, and.

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You know, she had her husband there and her dogs

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and all that. We're camping out. So Jim and I

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decide we're going to go hunt until noontime. Girls will

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be cooking and all that. So we get out. We

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get out in this swamp early for a sung it's up.

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We didn't really see anything it was and the climate

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right then was dry.

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It was hot and it was dry, not real hot,

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but Florida's hot, so but it was dry. We had

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a drought, so the swamp wasn't full. And I remember

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coming out we were rifle hunting and course Three Lakes

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Management Area. You have to use a orange vest and

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a hat and all that stuff.

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So my Bronco was parked down this fire trail and

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you know, in about twenty yards and down the road

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there was about one hundred and fifty yards there was

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an overhang of live oak.

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It looked like a tunnel. It was a really cool spot.

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So I went up to my Bronco and I unloaded

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my Uh well, before I unloaded, my window on my

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bronco made a huge screak all the time, an electric window,

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and it's just going.

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Jim's laughing at and he goes, well, they're around here now,

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and I'm like, yeah, whatever.

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So I unloaded my stuff and uh I walk out

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to the road. Now Jim he's unloading his now, and

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uh I see this dude walking down the road sideways,

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like away from me. On an angle going into this

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big palmetta patch about one hundred and fifty yards and

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from head to toe.

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Uh, this dude, I call him a dude.

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He was He looked buckskin. It was like an orange

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red color. And it didn't look like a hilly suit,

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because a gilly suit is bulky. This wasn't bulky.

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This thing was really tall, like maybe seven foot, but

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it was lanky looking and long arms.

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That's what was weird to me. And I said, Jim,

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look at this dude. And he comes out and he

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looks at him and he's like, dang, you don't have

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no orange on.

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I'm like, yeah, he's crazy. I said, what kind of

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suits he got on? And then he kind of eased

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into the palmettos. So we're standing there looking going hmmm.

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And all of a sudden, right where he walked in,

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this other one walks out.

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But it walked straight to him, and it wasn't going

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diagonal down the road.

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It walked straight out and went right in the middle

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of the road, and it stopped and looked up and

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seeing us looking at it, and I'm going, whoa. And

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it was jet black and it wasn't as big, but

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it was big and had a big, fat belly, and

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you could see the breasts on it. From that distance,

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it was no doubt it was a female, because I

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remember Jimmy's.

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Like, that's a dang gal and I'm like, he's like,

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I think that's one of them dang swamp apes.

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And I'm like, oh boy, what And We're looking at

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this thing and it was jet black from head to toe.

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Now, I couldn't see any features other than a big

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belly that she was holding, and I could see her breast.

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I couldn't make any facier features or anything like that.

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But when she's seen us, it was like an old

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crap moment, you know, you could see the reaction.

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As soon as she's seen us, she just like grabbed

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her gut tighter and just started and she ran bowlegged,

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like she couldn't run right because of what she had around.

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And I think it might have been like a baby

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around her waist, or she was just very pregnant. I'm

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not sure. But she ran into the pal mettas where

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the other one ran. And meanwhile, you know, jim and

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I are going, what did we just see? You know,

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there was hair, there was hair on them things, you know,

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and we're sitting there.

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We're just like, whoa. So we go, We're going, let's

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go down there. So we went down there. We drove

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down there, and we pull up and a side on him.

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But I that didn't even enter my mind. I walked

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in there a little bit. Jim's behind me, he goes, Steve.

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He goes, I'm not going in there, and I said, yeah,

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I think you're right. He goes, A hair's on my

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neck standing up, he goes. When that happens, to go,

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I listened to it, I'm like, all right, I agree.

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So we're sitting there out by the car out.

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In the road. We're standing there actually, and this guy

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drives out and I guess he was behind us down

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the road quite a way. He pulls up.

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He goes, hey, wolves that in the road, and I

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look at it, and I got this because by now

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it's starting to sink in that I.

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Just saw something weird. And a guy's like, you know,

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they had hair on him, right, And and that just

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nailed to seal the deal for me. I like, yeah,

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it looked like hair to me. He goes, no, he goes,

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it was hair. I could was scoping them with my

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rifle and he pulled his gun out and he had

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this big old scope on it and I was like, well,

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I think there are swamp apes and he just laughed.

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He goes, well, I wouldn't doubt it. He just drove off.

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And Jim and I meanwhile, it's we're wide eyes, like

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we got this, you know we call the moon on

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where he just round eyes. You're like, oh, man, you

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know I got goosebumps right now just talking about it.

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It comes back in uh funny. These kids pull up.

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There was about four of them.

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Y'all see anything? And Jim goes, well, we just saw

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two swamp apes. You should have seen these kids? What

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And I'm like, yeah, we just saw two swamps walk

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across the road. They wasn't that swamp? And man, they

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got out of there quick. They're like, you know, I'm

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not can't say what they said, but there. Now we're leaving,

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so they just drove off. But anyway, so we we get.

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In the truck. We went back to camp. Now we

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have to go through a check station and you got

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to still a lot of card and Jim's looking at

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me like you're gonna write it down? I said, yes,

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I am. They want to know what I saw.

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So I wrote it down and the check station guy

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looks at it, because he always looks at him. You

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got start drinking kind of early, haven't you. And I'm like, sir,

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we have n't drank a lit.

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And he looked at us, and I said, y'all got

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some stuff out there that's weird. And he's like, well,

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all right, he just you know, he didn't believe us.

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So I left it at that. We just drove off,

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went back to camp, and oh man, we got back

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to camp. I remember Jim walking up to Becky's like, Becky,

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we just seen swamp apes out there. And Becky's like,

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oh man, you got he was saying, you know, she said, bs.

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You guys heard BS and me, Man, you didn't see

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and Becky and Jim's like, Becky, and you should have

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seen Jim's face. I mean he was just white and

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white eyed. And I said, back, look at him. This

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is normal to you. She started, you know, Melanie a

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little bit now. I told my wife. My wife believe me. Immediately.

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She said, wow, well you know, did they come after you?

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And I'm like, no, it was you know, it was

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a I don't know, circumstantial We were in the right

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place at the right time. The first one didn't even

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see us. But these things are real and and you know,

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I'm just like whoa and needless to.

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Say, ah, it tormented me, and it tormented Jim Becky

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would not go out in that swamp hunting again.

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I went out there two more times, and I had

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the bad vibes out there because I started putting all

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these things together that it happened out there. You know,

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two things. It was them and they were warning me

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or trying to scare me out. So I left three

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tree stands in there. I never went back in there.

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And you know, last time I went in there, I

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was with somebody and I told him, I said, I'm

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done with this place.

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I'll never come back here again. And so in between that,

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I contacted the BFRO and you know, made a e

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siting report and all that, and he took Jim's name

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out of there. I don't know why, but anyway, she

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come out, one of the girls come out and met me,

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and we walked around, went back in there, and it

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was some interesting things that we found, but nothing, you know,

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no footprints or weird stuff.

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But we did find a couple of branches twisted off

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and we found a few drops of blood on some

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palm nutters, which was kind of weird. But other than that,

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you know, nothing very pine straw ground, no evidence, and

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kind of left it at that, you know, she was

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very nice, and I said, well, you know, you probably

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walked up on a family pod or they were just

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passing through whatever, and so I just kind of.

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Left it at that and stopped hunting out there. And meanwhile,

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I'm having anxiety about this, you know, and it's really

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bothering me. Now Again, they did not threaten me. I'm

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threatening myself because what I've been taught, and this opened

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a huge rabbit hole about my education, about what I've

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been taught in life, where I come from, my origins,

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what am I supposed to eat, medical everything. Just this

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is where I woke up and I started investigating and

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talking to people and uh, you know, listening to.

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Stories and I'm going there are thousands of them. This

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is real, you know, this is absolutely real.

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So how I dealt with it is.

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I'm not going in any state for us anymore alone.

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I don't want to go out and confront these things.

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And I know from my experiences listening and learning that

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you know, they're not. Most of them are pretty passive,

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but some of them are aggressive and they will hurt

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you and fully capable of doing it.

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And I don't want to.

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Have to get in a fight with something like this,

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you know, because I'm probably on the losing end of it.

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And I don't care what your carrier. I have no

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military training.

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I'm pretty good with a bow, and but you know,

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don't even enter my mind. You know.

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I was growing up pretty ethically, you know, my father

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taught me. And so I was like, well, you know,

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these things are wild, and yeah, I have my own

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idea and when I think they are.

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But so when I moved to Indiana, which was forty

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three years after I moved to Florida, my life's parents

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passed away. They left some property to us her and

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she's like, what else time to move here? We got

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to either move or you know, get divorced or something.

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And I was like, well, okay, So I moved up.

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I was one of my business up there or down there,

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and so I moved here. So that was a big deal.

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But the year before I moved here, because I would

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come here hunting for quite a few years. It's better

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hunting for me anyway, colder and I'm more open anyway.

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I'm getting out of my tree stand on this property

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and there was some frost in the ground and I

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see this big, huge footprint and I swear when I

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saw this, my words were, are you sing kidding me?

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And I said it out loud and I looked down.

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Now it wasn't like the perfect footprint, but you could

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tell it was a footprint.

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And I still have the picture. I just have to

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dig it out of my cloud. But I put my

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foot in it backwards. That's how messed me up. I

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put it next to it. I took a picture, and

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I just got out of there, and it was only

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one and I go back and I tell my wife,

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I said, you you're not And I told my father

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in law first.

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I says, stand, I think we got squatches out here.

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And he's like, oh, yeah, you think so? Huh.

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I'm like, you just found a big old footprint right

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right near my stand.

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And he's like, well, we got some big farmers around here,

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you know. I said, well, I don't know. I'm not

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even going to think about it. I'm just gonna let

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it slide. So that was that. But this is pretty

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much where I'm at now. I live been living here

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in about three years. We don't have a lot of

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sightings around here, per se.

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There has been some within I don't know, fifteen miles radius,

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but we live in a very rural area, spotty forest

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ridge lines, and I know these things can travel and

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do whatever they do. But now some of the state

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forests around definitely there's been sightings out there.

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And I used to hunt out there, and I won't

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go out there alone anymore. I just don't want to

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be confronted with one of these.

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And now you know, I'm good now, really comfortable in

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this area hunting my little woodlots, and I mean we

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got thirty acres and I can hunt here or my

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buddies have some leases, and I don't really feel any threat.

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But I'll tell you when I'm walking in the dark,

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I'm sixty five years old, and I still get the

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ebgb's if I can't see. And I've seen something online

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the other day where these these contact lenses where you

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can see in the dark. You're like, man, I think

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I can't be a pair of them, because you know

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it might come in handy.

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But anyway, Jeremiah, that's you know that's and I know

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it's not an exciting exciting and it's not scary because

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I've some of the ones I've listened to are just

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absolutely petrifying. And I'm sure you want to know what

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it looks like and all that stuff, and I have

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my opinions. Are there any questions you have to me

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about this?

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I'm sure you absolutely absolutely it is in my opinion,

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it's a very unique one. I don't think I've ever

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heard one where there's a potential of being pregnant. That

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is a that's a brand new one for me. Before

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it gets away, I heard about those contact lenses too,

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And did you did you see this is all like allegedly,

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but what they were experiencing when they're testing them.

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Oh well no, but you know that blue glass. There's

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a name for that blue glass that the military UH

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used to use. I guess they outlawed it.

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Class so I I don't know the exact thing, but

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it's pretty much what was happening when they were using

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that that same type of deal over in Vietnam. They're

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starting to see stuff. It's the same aim deal. Now

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this is all allegedly, but it makes for an interesting

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thing to think about for sure. Now definitely want to

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talk about about your Florida sighting. It's just absolutely incredible.

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Were there any weird sounds or smells in that same

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time frame that you were down there that you noticed.

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Nope, no, But but you got to think before that

463
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:33.880
I would smell something.

464
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:38.279
In the swamp or whatever, and you know there's dead

465
00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:42.759
stuff around, and you know I would have went right

466
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.720
over my head now if I smell the skunk, because

467
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.359
some people call them skunk gapes, But.

468
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.279
No, I I didn't. We didn't smell anything. There was

469
00:26:52.319 --> 00:27:00.599
no residual of it, and you know I would still was.

470
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:05.799
But and you know, Jim didn't see anything. We didn't

471
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:06.079
see it.

472
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:09.240
We know we've seen right where they went across the road,

473
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:11.920
but he just couldn't see anything. It was so dry,

474
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:17.039
no imprints or anything. So absolutely and I wouldn't climb

475
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.319
these creatures, at least the ones I saw. They weren't

476
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:22.359
super heavy and super big.

477
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:26.039
H you know that the I say the male, I

478
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.799
don't know that it was a male because I only

479
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:31.000
saw his He come out with his right shoulder facing

480
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:35.480
me on an angle, going down away from us.

481
00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:37.440
So he didn't even see us. He didn't even look

482
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.960
down the road. He just entered out on the road

483
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.680
and started walking down. But he his gate the way.

484
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.960
He was swinging them arms and you really couldn't see

485
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:53.839
a separation between his head and his shoulders. I don't

486
00:27:53.839 --> 00:28:00.640
know if that was hair, but it was a person.

487
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.519
You know. I've had people call me about this back then.

488
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.359
I think actually did that. I'm supposed to say his name,

489
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:10.799
and I just told him he because he goes.

490
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.000
You think it could have been somebody in a suit,

491
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:18.519
And I said, anybody that wears a suit in a

492
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:23.160
wildlife management area during gun season is an idiot.

493
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.480
I mean, this place sometimes had three hundred hunters on it.

494
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.480
Now it's a big place, you know, forty fifty sixty

495
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:36.160
thousand acres. I'm not sure the toll, but it's around it.

496
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:41.400
It's huge, and there's no houses out there, plenty of food,

497
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.119
plenty of water, plenty of mosquitos.

498
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:53.279
So I don't know, man, it's it's an enigma to me.

499
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.519
But as I've gotten older, I know what it was. Right.

500
00:28:57.640 --> 00:28:58.000
You know.

501
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:06.640
You said that, So we'll just say the male and female.

502
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.319
So the male was around seven feet tall. Can you

503
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.039
remind me how tall the female seemed to be.

504
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.519
She looked like she was two feet shorter. Okay, but

505
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:24.359
she was just stocky, you know, her chest and her

506
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:29.000
belly and whatever was on her belly was round. It

507
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.799
wasn't long, you know, food or stacks of.

508
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:40.400
Wood or a bag. This was the same color as her.

509
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.480
So whether it was an infant, I don't know. But

510
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:50.279
when she wobbled off, she was holding that belly. And

511
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.319
I'm trying to think of how to describe how she ran.

512
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:56.759
And the only thing I can think of is if

513
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:03.319
you've done number two in your pants, right, yep, because

514
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.640
I had children that are anyway. Yeah, That's not the

515
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:07.759
only thing I could think of.

516
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.319
But she wobble off like that, and uh, but you

517
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:14.119
could see the reaction when she's seen us.

518
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:15.920
She went, oh no.

519
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:17.799
Oh no, got to get whatever this is out of here,

520
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:18.720
kind of you know.

521
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.599
And we were within three minutes we were down there.

522
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.839
Wow. So they were they were in there looking at us?

523
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:31.079
Oh yeah, absolutely, I'd say there was a right call

524
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.920
not to go in there. That probably would have gotten

525
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:39.240
really bad for you if there was a young one

526
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.279
being protected in some way.

527
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:43.960
I agree.

528
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:49.799
Uh, the so carrying carrying something on her stomach. Was

529
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.960
that thing whatever was being carried? Was that covered with

530
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:53.480
hair too?

531
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.200
It was the same color as her Okay, so I

532
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.519
would say, yes, that's why I think it might have been,

533
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:05.319
you know, her being pregnant.

534
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:12.039
I couldn't see any definition head or arm going around

535
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.680
her waist. I couldn't see that. It just looked like

536
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:20.160
one color. So, you know, I don't know what these

537
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:22.640
things do, if the babies ever. I know, I've heard

538
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:23.400
of people.

539
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:26.440
Saying that the babies crawl on you know, they so

540
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.599
maybe so I don't know, but she definitely it was

541
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.519
something to do with either being pregnant or had been pregnant.

542
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.359
You know. I think that's just.

543
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.400
As a as a as a hunter and an observer.

544
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.400
And bear in mind, I was quite a bit younger,

545
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.519
My eyesight was perfect, and you know, I'm.

546
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:54.599
Experienced in seeing things. So there's no way this was

547
00:31:54.640 --> 00:32:00.400
a bear. There's no way this was two people playing

548
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:07.559
a gag on us. No way. I just completely I

549
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.480
completely disagree with with that. And I thought about this

550
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.599
for years. You know, well maybe, and I guess there

551
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:20.680
is the maybe, but you know, logically I don't think

552
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.000
so I think this was what And look, I'm not

553
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.640
the only one that have seen him out there. That's

554
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.519
the other thing. You know. I didn't meet this guy,

555
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:33.640
but I read his report and he watched one for

556
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.759
a half hour in his tree stand. And there's other

557
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.720
places out there. One of them was called Island Pond.

558
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.279
That's a big island in this swamp, and I think

559
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.240
that's where he's seen his But there's other people that

560
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.799
seen him out there. I talked to a guy one

561
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.400
day that said he saw a giant barefoot.

562
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:56.640
Footprint out there one time. And this is, you know,

563
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:01.599
after I had seen it, asking questions. And you know,

564
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:03.839
most people laugh seeing any of that.

565
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:07.440
They're crazy. You know, all my friends they've hunted their

566
00:33:07.480 --> 00:33:10.079
whole eyes. I've been hunting, you know, thirty years. I

567
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:11.799
never seen you know, that's nuts.

568
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:16.240
And I'm like, all right, So this account that you

569
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.400
read about this gentleman, was that on bfr O then.

570
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:24.640
Or yes, okay, yep, And you can probably whether it's

571
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.839
a year after, it might even be the same year

572
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.319
ninety five. I mean, you're going back a long ways,

573
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:33.720
and you know things that turned digital.

574
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:35.920
Now, so your report got put up there too. Then

575
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:41.880
you're saying, oh yeah, oh yeah, all right, yep, I'm

576
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.480
going to have to I'm gonna have to see if

577
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.200
I can check that out at a later time.

578
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.319
Yeah.

579
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.680
So we already know that you weren't able to see

580
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.640
details of the face, but were you able to see

581
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.039
like a shape of the head at all?

582
00:33:57.680 --> 00:33:59.319
Yeah?

583
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:03.039
Yeah, yeah, And I've thought about this a long time.

584
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:07.599
It didn't look like an ape. Okay, it looked like

585
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.679
a cave man. That's what it looked like to me.

586
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.199
And I told Jim that, said Jim, I looked, didn't

587
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:15.480
that look kind of Neanderthal?

588
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:16.199
Like?

589
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:19.639
Yeah, it kind of looked like cave people. So that's

590
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.199
what it looked like to me. Now, of course, my

591
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:26.039
depiction of a cave person is what I learned in

592
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:30.000
the Boston Museum of Science walking through and look at

593
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:30.800
the cave people.

594
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.119
You know, they were small. You know, I don't it's

595
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:39.400
not exactly the same. But let's just say Neanderthal. That's

596
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:44.280
what it looked like to me. And you know, I

597
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:46.480
might views on what I think it is.

598
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.519
I'm just going to say it. I think it's the

599
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:55.519
missing link, or you want to call it nephelom. I

600
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.320
think it's part of that too. And you know, you

601
00:34:58.440 --> 00:34:59.840
might have to take that out. I don't know.

602
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.880
But that's just my look. I'm not saying I'm right.

603
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.920
I'm just saying that's my gut feeling because you.

604
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.199
Know, we're we're not being told.

605
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:14.559
The whole story here about everything, you know that, so

606
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.880
somebody's hiding this now why.

607
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:19.880
I mean, it's one's only guests.

608
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:24.440
But these have been in the in the forest for

609
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.719
a long time, now do they Is this an earthly thing?

610
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:34.480
Is it extraterrestrial? Is it extra dimensional? I don't know, man,

611
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:38.360
maybe wouldn't surprise me, but.

612
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:46.960
You know, they definitely can materialize, so they look real,

613
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.360
you know, and.

614
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.079
Maybe these different ones I don't know, you know, I

615
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.000
know there's you know, like the dog Man and uh

616
00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.559
the Patterson Gilman one Patty, and so there may be

617
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.199
different versions of it. I don't. You know, that's just

618
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:09.719
my feeling. But these looked like Neanderthal people. That's what

619
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.599
they look like to me. They didn't look like apes.

620
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:13.239
That's fine.

621
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:18.480
Now, if I got close to him and seeing you know,

622
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:24.039
their face, their teeth, their nose, everything, I might.

623
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.360
Have had a different perspective on that. But my observation

624
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:31.079
from the distance that I was at and my partners

625
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:35.920
were that they looked like cavemen and they didn't look cuman.

626
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:41.719
Now, the male, definitely, his arms were way longer than

627
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.400
ours were because the way he strolled, he just had

628
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.199
his his arms went way out in front of him

629
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.719
and he was just ease and you know, but you

630
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.280
could see his arms swinging real low by his knees.

631
00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:02.280
It just looked odd. So and and his color will

632
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:06.239
look it looked just like buckskin, the same color as

633
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:13.559
the deer, kind of a reddish orangish.

634
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:22.840
Were the female's arms hanging low as well.

635
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:28.280
Yes, because they were underneath her stomach. So yeah, but

636
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:34.000
you could tell she had him underneath her stomach when

637
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:35.320
she started and when.

638
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:40.719
She came across that road holding her stomach, because that

639
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:43.920
was the weird part, like what she got. You know,

640
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:48.039
we're thinking you had something like a pig or something,

641
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.119
but it wasn't anything.

642
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.920
Define like that. It just looked like the same color

643
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:58.360
as her. It looked like she was pregnant. That's and

644
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.639
Jim even said it gal, I'm like, yeah, it is

645
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:10.719
a pretty gard one, right right. So look, other people

646
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.519
have talked to me about wild people living out.

647
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:16.679
In the woods and all this stuff, and Indians possibly

648
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:18.199
Native American people.

649
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:23.639
It wasn't that now, you know, we don't know that

650
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.840
it possibly could be wild people.

651
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.000
I mean, who knows, you know, I don't know if

652
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.199
this is somebody knows about this, but you know that's

653
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.440
not really being offered.

654
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.840
So we just have to make our own decisions on

655
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.239
what we believe based on what we've seen and what

656
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:44.000
we feel, you know. And I always go by my

657
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.519
gut feeling, and I'm you know, it's not about me.

658
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.800
It's not about money, it's not about anything. It's just

659
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:55.440
about what's true. I'm a truther, you know. I taught that.

660
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:56.760
My dad taught me that.

661
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:05.079
You know, there there's a are you. Are you okay

662
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.639
if I bring up how this affected or asked questions

663
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.159
about how this affected you emotionally mentally afterwards?

664
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.519
Is that okay for sure? Man?

665
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:21.239
Because dude, you know you've done enough shows. You know

666
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.400
that it's what it does to people. Some people, it

667
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:26.320
traumatizes them so bad. And can you imagine the ones.

668
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:30.760
That have passed because of it? Right? I can see

669
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.639
where somebody would just want to wash this down, and

670
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:41.199
you know I can see that. So but you got

671
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:45.639
to talk to people about it and there's always light

672
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:52.599
in everything, Jeremiah. So look, it wasn't violent, it was

673
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.559
an education. Why I was chosen to see this, I

674
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:01.280
don't know. Maybe I wasn't. Maybe it's just or maybe

675
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.239
bad luck. I don't know, but you know, it's I've

676
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:11.199
learned to deal with it. But trying to express that

677
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:15.320
to other people that are that are believers but not knowers.

678
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.480
You know the difference. When you're a knower, You've seen

679
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.280
something and nobody can take that from you. They can

680
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:26.480
say some stuff, maybe hurt your feelings or you know,

681
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.880
but I don't second guess myself anymore. I'm not a

682
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.480
stupid person, you know. I shouldn't say stupid, ignorant. I

683
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:40.719
learn things that I don't need to learn me working,

684
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:46.280
I have my shop, no one's here. I listen and

685
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:50.960
educate myself every day on podcasts and truth channels and stuff,

686
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.000
and some of you. You've got to learn how to decipher,

687
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.360
you know, because it can be a little weird. But

688
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:00.880
I've been doing it for years. I start back when

689
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:04.679
podcasts weren't cool, you know what I'm saying, when they

690
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:11.400
just and you know, I've done a few, but it

691
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:11.960
helped me.

692
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.480
But I learned a whole lot more, especially you know,

693
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:23.119
people that have gotten some crazy sightings. So there's a

694
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.639
lot of diversity in this. It's not just one thing.

695
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:28.400
It's it's in people.

696
00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:30.440
You know, like, oh, you know, there's probably three or

697
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.559
four hundred of them. I think there's thousands.

698
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:34.360
Yeah, it's definitely thousands at least too.

699
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:39.000
And we've never really been told how much land there

700
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:41.400
is in this country in Canada and stuff in the

701
00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:44.280
land bridges and the mountainous and you just can't go

702
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.199
into these places.

703
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.079
These things they climb up vertical walls like nothing.

704
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.400
So you know, they've made a life out of hiding

705
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:57.480
and they're good at it, and you know, kudos to them.

706
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.840
You know, I think they should be protected nationally, but

707
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.000
we need to be protected, it seems like.

708
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:10.679
Now that's sure. Yeah, yeah, that's that's some pretty wild stuff.

709
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.440
Was there a way then that you were able to

710
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:21.400
overcome that anxiety that came about due to this?

711
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:24.760
Yeah, drinking a lot of beer.

712
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:32.280
Sure, that's just a joke, gotcha. I'm a country boy.

713
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.440
Many beers avery there, man, But.

714
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.840
Yeah, no, I just dealt with it, and I dealt

715
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:45.199
with it through listening and learning about them. And once

716
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.280
I realized that real, I said, Okay, so I'm still

717
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:50.639
gonna be paranoid.

718
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.159
When I'm in the woods, meaning that I'm you know,

719
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.440
aware of things would help me.

720
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.840
Jeremiah is knowing when I go in the woods, if

721
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.440
I see stacked rocks, if I see bent over trees,

722
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.440
if I see stumps sticking out of the ground upside down,

723
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:08.679
if I see x's, if I see tps, which I've

724
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:09.400
seen before.

725
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.280
I don't know where, but I've seen stuff like that,

726
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.239
and you always think turkey hunter or whatever.

727
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:20.639
But those are the signs that these creatures leave. And

728
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.440
what they're saying, you know, I don't know.

729
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:26.679
I would interpret it as you know, this is my area,

730
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.360
you know, don't better watch out or don't come on here.

731
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:37.920
So so yeah, it has helped me, but talking about

732
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:45.079
it brings up a certain level of anxiety. Yeah, it's

733
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:48.000
And the only way I can really describe it to

734
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:52.679
people is and you're going to find this amusing, I

735
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.639
think is when you first go out on stage that

736
00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.159
first song, because you don't want to mess up. I'm

737
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.320
like a perfectionist.

738
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:05.360
Everything has got to be perfect for me, and I'm

739
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.239
very hard on myself and of course, that's why I

740
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:09.119
make bows.

741
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.719
And uh yeah, so that's it's you're on edge. And

742
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:19.239
I've found in my life that when you're on edge

743
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.920
like that, you run your life better. Your alert your senses,

744
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:29.280
your gut feelings, your intuitions, everything becomes alive, you know,

745
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:34.000
you listen to that. And that's my belief.

746
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.679
So when I'm in the woods, I'm not just like, well,

747
00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:41.800
you know, I'm looking around, I'm smelling, I'm hearing, I'm

748
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.159
listening to the animals. I'm looking at the ground, I'm

749
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.360
looking at the trees everything.

750
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.360
You know, I look up in the trees.

751
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:56.719
So yeah, now call it paranoia, I'll call it just

752
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:01.480
being a great obviously, uh you know, observing.

753
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.440
Well, I don't know, but yeah, but it has helped.

754
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:10.280
Me though that that's good to hear. I don't think

755
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.480
it's paranoia. I think it's you're you're aware of what's

756
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.800
out there now, and you're you're more prepared and observant,

757
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.880
as you said two, to just be prepared for something.

758
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:30.760
After you had this situation in Florida, did anything out

759
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:35.519
of the ordinary start to happen in your house or

760
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:39.280
any other locations or is this not a thing where

761
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:40.719
you've had to deal with things like that.

762
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:44.559
Nope, not that I can ever.

763
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:51.800
Ever imagine the only thing.

764
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:58.639
No, no, no, no, you know, I never not that.

765
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:01.920
I don't believe in stuff like that. I just don't

766
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:07.000
go looking for it. You know, I'm a pretty spiritual person.

767
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:09.840
I'm not very religious, but I'm very spiritual. I believe

768
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.280
in the Creator, and you know, if I've done bad,

769
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:18.159
I try to apologize for my actions. And I believe

770
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:20.880
the Creator is in our hearts, you know, and you

771
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.519
have to apologize to yourself.

772
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:30.119
So, you know, as far as evil or funky stuff lights,

773
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:36.320
infra sound, no, I've never heard any of that or

774
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:39.440
saw never seen a UFO that I can well, I've

775
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:44.320
seen some weird stuff, but not nothing that I could say, Wow,

776
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:46.840
that was an aurable UFO.

777
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.880
Or I did have one thing happened to me one time,

778
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.400
but I think it was a meteor here in Indiana.

779
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:56.880
I was in a tree stand. This is before the sighting.

780
00:46:57.400 --> 00:46:59.480
No no, no, this is not before the sighting. This

781
00:46:59.559 --> 00:46:59.840
is the way.

782
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:03.519
I was sitting in my tree stand and I went

783
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.840
out early, about four in the morning, and I wanted

784
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.000
to get there before you know, the deer started to

785
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:10.320
move through this area.

786
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.159
And all of a sudden, this green light goes through

787
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:20.039
the woods. It freaked me out, and I couldn't see

788
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:26.320
the actual light. It's just this light went through the

789
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:27.960
woods and it was green.

790
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.960
Really fast, and that was it. So I said, wow,

791
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.920
that was a meteor. I didn't hear it. See, that's

792
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:39.840
the thing. I didn't hear it, you know, or a

793
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:41.320
boom or anything like that.

794
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.280
So I just saw that. That's the only thing I've

795
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:53.159
ever really seen that made me think, WHOA. Now, of

796
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.440
course I was in an earthquake out here one time.

797
00:47:56.360 --> 00:48:00.760
That's another, well, I guess an ant story. I was

798
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.280
in a blind on the ground not too far from

799
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.440
the house. All of a sudden, the ground starts feeling

800
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:07.000
like jelly.

801
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:11.920
It's moving, and I'm looking down thinking something's trying to

802
00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:14.599
get out of the ground, like you.

803
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:19.159
Know, goonies, those worms that come out or something. And

804
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:21.559
oh man, I could feel that gut feeling, you know,

805
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.360
that gut feeling when you're scared. Oh yeah, that's what

806
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:30.920
happened in my feet. I could see everything moving and

807
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.960
I'm like, why is this Because I've never been anything

808
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.599
like it. So I didn't see anything.

809
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:39.480
I went back to the Pops goes, do you feel

810
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.159
that earthquake and shook the whole house or over? Burber,

811
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:44.760
I said, I was wondering what that was because I

812
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.719
thought it was giant worms under the ground. You look

813
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:54.199
at me, laughed. So, but no, I don't think I've

814
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:55.800
seen anything that's.

815
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:00.440
Or heard anything that is related to that.

816
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.280
That's really I don't want to, you know, I don't

817
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.960
be freaked out.

818
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.800
I'm good with what I know. Now. Would I want

819
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.480
to see one? I would like to be friends with

820
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.880
one and trust it, and you know, like I hear,

821
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:23.360
some people have relationships with these things, you know, you know,

822
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:27.559
distant type. But do I want that to happen now?

823
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:29.239
I think I'm too old for it. I don't know

824
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:33.880
I'll be able to handle it, you know. So I

825
00:49:33.920 --> 00:49:37.039
think I'm safe, absolutely, Steve.

826
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:46.679
This has been just a really fascinating conversation. I do

827
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:51.159
mean it is. It's very unique in my opinion, thinking

828
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:53.840
over all the ones that I've heard over the years.

829
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:55.840
I do want to make sure that you were able

830
00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:59.639
to share everything that you came to the show today

831
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:00.000
to share.

832
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.199
I just want to thank my parents and my father

833
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.760
for teaching me things. My dad's ninety.

834
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:11.440
And he's he's old and he's failing, and so it's

835
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:14.119
going to come a time he's gonna leave us.

836
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.079
But you know, he did a good job.

837
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:17.960
Whether or no he thought he did, I don't know,

838
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:22.880
but you know he always taught me things. And as

839
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.920
you get older, things change, you know, life becomes more important,

840
00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:33.360
family becomes more important. I'm not a killer, and I've

841
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.880
said this before the people. I love animals and I

842
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:39.599
hate killing. When I kill a deer, it brings it.

843
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:41.239
It's emotional for me.

844
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:46.119
And I like to hunt. I do, but I don't

845
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:54.920
like to kill animals. So I guess what I'm saying

846
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.719
is is when you get older, you mellow out a

847
00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:02.800
little bit, and you're more accepted of time and what's

848
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:07.519
about to happen, and you know all that stuff. So

849
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.079
I'm just happy I had the experiences that I've had

850
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.360
and I was given the chance to see something weird

851
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:21.679
like that, And you know, I'm blessed with the talents

852
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:24.719
that I've been given that I've polished over my careers,

853
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:29.559
and you know, I'm very thankful. I don't have a lot.

854
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.840
I'm still working, but I love what I do. I

855
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:37.960
love where I am and I enjoy doing farming and

856
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:46.440
just having a peaceful life. You know, I still hunt.

857
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.440
It's not as important to me anymore, but I still

858
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.760
enjoy it, but you know, and I like to eat

859
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:56.320
your meat and all that stuff. But I have a

860
00:51:56.400 --> 00:52:01.079
big respect for the environment and animals and the place

861
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:06.159
for everybody and you know, the trees, and I just

862
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.360
want people to protect what we have, you know, and

863
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:11.960
sometimes you have to stand up and yell at somebody

864
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.320
want because people do weird stuff.

865
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:19.840
Thank you for coming on the show today, and I

866
00:52:19.880 --> 00:52:22.400
think a lot of people are going to learn some

867
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.320
things from what you've shared, from what happened down in Florida.

868
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.880
And definitely, you know, keep in touch if anything else

869
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.440
happens to you while you are out hunting in Indiana

870
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:35.639
as well, Stephen.

871
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:38.719
I will. And it's been my pleasure.

872
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:43.320
And I feel like you and I know each other

873
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.079
just because I've been listening to your voice for a

874
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:47.079
long time.

875
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:51.519
And you have a very soothing voice.

876
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:54.840
It's not aggressive, and it's I can see where people

877
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:55.639
open up to you.

878
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.639
And kind of like a counselor, you know, a bigfoot counselor.

879
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.480
There you go. Thank you for the kind words. Man

880
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:05.280
it has been. It's been a fun time.

881
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.679
Yep, enjoyed it. Jeremiah, you take care of yourself, brother.

882
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.719
You as well. Steven. Thank you for listening to this

883
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.960
episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Stephen's story is one

884
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:19.199
of the rare encounters that lingers, not just because of

885
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.159
what he saw in the Palmettos, but because of how

886
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:25.039
close it came to being something much more and huge.

887
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:27.719
Thanks to Stephen for opening up about his years and

888
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.360
the Florida Swamps and for reminding us that sometimes the

889
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.079
unknown is standing right in front of us in the

890
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.079
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