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Season 1

Originally released as Episode 438. What happens when a camping trip at Harrison Bay State Park turns into a night-long siege by something massive — something that walks on two legs and isn’t afraid of guns? In this gripping episode, we sit down with Mark Eller Sr. from Chickamauga, Georgia, to hear decades of personal encounters with Bigfoot across Tennessee, Georgia, and Arkansas. From eerie whoops echoing off sandstone cliffs near Raccoon Mountain Pump Station, to a terrifying moonlit night when heavy footsteps splashed closer through shallow water, to the jaw-dropping sight of a towering figure leaping highway fences at full speed in rural Arkansas — Mark’s stories will have you rethinking the quiet places you thought you knew. You’ll hear names like Missionary Ridge, Pigeon Mountain Wildlife Management Area, and Pine Tree WMA — and the unsettling events that unfolded there. This isn’t just a string of campfire tales; it’s a detailed, first-hand record from a lifelong outdoorsman who knows what he saw, heard, and felt.








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Welcome to big Foot Society. In this episode, I talked

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to Mark about his Bigfoot encounters in northwest Georgia in

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the adjacent area of Tennessee. If you've also experienced something

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in these same areas as Mark did regarding Bigfoot, please

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reach out to me immediately after this episode. And if

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you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on

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the show, please contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail

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dot com. All Right, big Fort Society got the privilege

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of talking to Mark Eller Senior. He's from Chickamauga, Georgia.

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He's a gentleman. I talked to off and on for

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quite a while, but it's been a while in common

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for us to be able to sit down and chat

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as it were over the phone. And Mark, it's great

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to talk to you again.

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Yeah, glad to be here. I'll tell a little bit

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about myself. I'm fifty six years old as of yesterday,

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born and raised in Chattanugga, Tennessee, on the outskirts of town.

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We lived near a wooded area area called Missionary Rage.

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A big stretch of would us facing us was a

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lookout mountain to the to the east, to the to

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the west, and then Simple Mountain, Raccoon Mountain, and then

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just five or six other mountains. All Chattanooga is kind

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of like a bowl. So we spent a lot of

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time in the woods, and we hunted and fished. There

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was myself and three brothers and a sister, mom and

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dad and a grandmother who lived with us, and we

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hunted fish to supplement our neils. And so anyway, spend

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a lot of time in the woods. And so I

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wanted to tell you about my education. Dropped the high

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school at the end of twelfth grade. They wanted me

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to come back for three more months. I didn't want to,

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so dropped out. Two years later, went to college, got

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in the social degree, and about fourteen years later I

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went to college and got a bachelor's degree in business

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administration from the Bellehaven University, Mississippi. Was not school programs,

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and I work for the Department of Transportation, Tennessee Department Transervation.

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I was a right away agent because I had had

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real estate experience. I had been a realtor real estate

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broker for fourteen or fifteen years, and it was kind

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of handing a lot of education with the right of

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way that's imminent domain and so just say I'm a

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little bit educated, always reading, I'm always trying to learn

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something else. And actually am currently enrolled at the University

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of Pittsburgh trying to get an engineering degree in the

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field that I worked in now on a fiber optic technician.

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I've been doing that about fifteen years. I do averages

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for all kinds of companies all over Metro Atlanta, and

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so anyway like to learn, like to read, let them

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know what's going on. So I'll start out with my

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first kind of encounter I had. It was nineteen eighty two.

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I was fourteen years old. My dad had just bought

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a boat from my uncle, and we'd never had a

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boat before. We'd always bank fished, and we were excited.

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It was just he and I and we were going

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to an area called Raccoon Mountain Pump Station. That's a

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hydro electric power station that TVA Tennessee Valley Authority operates.

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They actually suck water out of the Tennessee River up

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this big, giant pop with a slow pump, and it

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fills up this big lake at the top mountain, and

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then when extra power is needed, they drain that lake

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very fast and it goes right back into the river

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and it turns turbines and generates electricities. Well, there's a

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boat ramp there. We launched our boat and we go

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up river. We'd be going towards Dunlap, Tennessee. So Raccoon

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Mountain Pump Station is would be west of Chattanooga off

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US Highway forty one. And so we're we're out fishing.

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We're heading to a certain location my dad I wanted

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to go to and uh kind of way up river

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and we were just blow blowing Springs Branch. Only reason

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I know that is I just did. I was looking

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to uh to see it kind of exactly where we were,

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and it blowed. Blowing Springs Branch is a bunch of

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huge cliffs. On the left side of the river. There

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are sandstone cliffs, and there's all kinds of caves that

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you can see. If you're on on the opposite side

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of the river, you can see these caves, just the

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openings and small ledges, and all of that property is

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owned by a trust company, a bunch of a bunch

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of attorneys. And I don't remember what year they did this.

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It had to been, you know, prior to nineteen eighty two.

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That they bought a whole bunch of land that butts

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up against some wh All Life Management property. They bought it,

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put it into trust so no one could ever buy

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it and develop it. And you can't hunt on it.

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You can't. If you get caught on its, you go

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to jail. So I've never been to the property. I

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know where it's at. But anyway, we get to this

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area and we throw out this anchor and we're fishing

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and it's real quiet, beautiful day, beautiful skies, no wind.

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You know, a few birds you could just to see it.

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A couple of hawks and flying around. And we noticed

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that every time we caught a fish, we would hear

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this this uh kind of a whooping noise and uh.

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And I asked my dad one, dad, what is that?

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And every time we caught a fish and uh, he said,

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I don't know, this is like an owl. I said, well,

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I've never heard a owl sound like that. Then we

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noticed if we if we caught a fish that wasn't

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limit size and we threw it back, we would here

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from different directions, but it's always coming from that cliff.

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We would hear a like a uh uh. It sounded

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like somebody that was exasperated, you know that that we

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threw the fish back. And this went on for several hours,

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I mean, and every time we caught a fish, we

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heard the book and we talked about it, and we

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never could see anything. Dad went to the other side

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of the river, the forest side where we could look

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up on those cliffs, and it was just too high

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and the and the openings were too dark, and we

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would looking for owls. Okay. So went home told my

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mother about it, and she thought it was funny. And

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I never thought of it again, uh until I saw

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a spot on a one of Dave Claudis's movies four

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and one, uh missing the Hunted where he was talking

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with Ron Moorhead and they played the Sierra signs and it, man,

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it hit me like a brick that I recognized those sounds.

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And then it was about the time, right around Christmas.

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I went to saw my mother and I asked her

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did she remember, and she said, oh, yeah, your dad

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and I talked about it a lot, and she said

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he told me, which my dad never shared this with me.

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It sounded like a monkeys and the same The year

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I was born in May of sixty eight, Chattlenooga had

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a had a very small little zoo, it's called Zooville,

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and they had they had acquired a new born chimpanzee

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and his name was Hank. And we were actually born

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on the same day of the same year. And I

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always kind of, you know, like to go see him

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because of our little connection, and he's funny and very entertaining.

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And he actually passed away three years ago, I believe. Anyway,

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my mother said that Dad said it sounded like Hank

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at the zoo, hooping and hollered. So it really validated

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my memories, because memories are not always correct, and and

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you think you know this, and you think you know that,

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especially the memories of the child. So that that was

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my first, my first encounter of I don't know what,

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but man, it sure didn't sound like what what Ron

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Morehead and those guys recorded up in the Sierra Mountains.

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Were there any parts of that that also sounded like

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how when you listen to Ron Mooreheads tapes it almost

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sounds like a language or was it just you know,

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you could pick out parts of it like, okay, kind

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of sounds like that there.

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Never never heard, never heard the language part it was.

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I knew at the time that we were being observed,

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and we were thinking we were being at least I

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was it was an out because that's what my father said.

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And you know, we knew about big foot and all

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that stuff from seeing the seeing the the what was it?

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The in search of that came out in the seventies

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and and my dad talked about it. My dad said,

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you know, there's a lot of woods around here, and

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there's you know, who knows what's what's out there and

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what's not out there. And we never really talked about

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a bigfoot other than when it would come on television

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or something like that. But no, we never heard the language.

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It was just and it almost sounded like juveniles. It

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was not it was not a guttural whoop or it

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wasn't a and when they when they made their exasperation,

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it didn't sound like it came from something very large.

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But of course it was echoing through a through a

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a small you know, canyon in the water. Probably play

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tricks on the sound as well. But the found carried

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because of the water and where it was very wide right.

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There, how high up were those caves up on the

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side of the wall.

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Oh my gosh, I've been wanting to go back. My

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cousin's got a boat and he fishes that area. I

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would say sixty or seventy feet and made you the

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highest spots. But the way, the way the holes are.

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I was looking at it today on on Google Earth,

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the three D kind of like like the street view,

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but you know, you're not on the street, and you

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could you could see that you could see the holes

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in the caves. Like I said, if you if you

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went on if you go on Google Earth and go

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to the t V A Raccoon Mountain pump station and

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start there and go, you'd be going I think we

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would be northeast direction. Uh. So you start there and

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go to the right, go to the river to the right,

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and it snakes around the old bunch and then you

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look for enlarger screen and you look for the blowing

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blowing springs branch and then then look down your three

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D you'll see the you'll see those cliffs. And it

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brought like a lot of memories to see and that

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today it was amazing that that I could actually find it.

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And because I spent quite at the time while I

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was at work a lot of time while I'm working,

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I'm sitting waiting on technicians to contact me while I'm

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usually testing in a data center and they're out in

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the field, so I have a lot of times. So

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I was looking like, God, can't believe that I can

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see these cliffs like this, very high, sixty seventies maybe

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maybe eighty feet at the at the tallest point, it's

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all stands something.

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And also kind of similar question, how close were the

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caves from the top of the cliffs. So if something

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was to come from the top, how far down would

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they have to get to get to those cliffs?

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These openings are sporadic. You'll have maybe maybe twenty five

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or thirty feet up, you'll have a ledge, and then

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beyond that ledge maybe two or three four feet of

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a ledge, and then there's a big opening, and then

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maybe one or two close to each other, and then

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ten or fifteen twenty feet above there'll be two or

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three more over the little edge, and then some of

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them don't have a ledge. There's just holes. And I

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always wondered how those holes were made. And I had

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I had never I had never fished there before with

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my dad, but I had been on a boat trip

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with my uncle in that same boat that my dad

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botform and he would always go beyond that. But we

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would always look at those caves and he'd pour them out,

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you know, and even when I was nine ten years old,

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he'd pour them out, you know. Wondered who made them

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caves or what or what made those caves. But all

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that always kind of made me wonder why that property

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was bought up and put into a trust, and that

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kind of that kind of made me think, well, maybe

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somebody was trying to hide something.

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things have happened. I mean it's I don't think it's

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out of the question to say something like that that

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could have happened. Have you ever done any research to

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see if anyone else has had any experiences like that

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in that area or any weird things happen.

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Well, I'll tell you this. If you go on the

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Bigfoot Map, there's a guy I can think of his name.

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I can tell you that I'm the map. Give me

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just one second. There's a guy that's created the map

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and it is Bigfoot startings all over the country, and

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it's called Bigfoot Map Projects. And there are hundreds and

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I'm looking at it right now and all through Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama.

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I mean, it's a sea of red and red indicating

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sightings and uh, it's just it's amazing a number of

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people that have had sightings. Like I mentioned to you earlier.

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Today the chattam Nugga Times was an article about a

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group of Bigfoot walkers that are local that were having

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a conference. I didn't get the chance to read the article,

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but I will when I get back home. I'm still

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in Atlanta right now. But anyway, I thought it was

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kind of ironic. We're doing our interview tonight and this

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was in the Chattanooga paper today. So there was a

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starting a couple of months ago, and I think it

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was mister Moneymaker that had it on his podcast with

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husband Wasts that had a siding. They almost hit one

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on US eleven in Trenton, Georgia, which is, you know,

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fifteen fifteen, eighteen miles from where I live in jack Mauga, so,

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which is probably twenty five miles from Chattanooger area. Yeah.

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Bigfootmap dot com is the website if listeners are wanting

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to check that out, if you haven't already, it's awesome.

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Like you look at the area that Mark is talking

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about in a little south of it, down in the

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Crocker Crockford Pigeon Mountain Wildlife Management Area, it is just

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lit up like the fourth of July. There's all sorts

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of stuff there.

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My grandson and son in law and I camped there

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four weeks ago. It was it was the last week

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of March. And I'm gonna tell you, I'm ashamed to

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say that I didn't know that that that that Pigeon

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Mountain Wildlife Management was twenty eight twenty six thousand acres.

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I had no idea. I've been, I've been to different cars.

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I didn't know they had camping. And when I found out,

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we went and we had a absolutely wonderful time and

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we heard all kinds of noises and we were we

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were listening, stayed up very late, and this is a

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primitive camping area. There was one other group, two older guys,

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that were about a thousand yards from us, so we

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were the only people there. We heard some some some

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pretty loud movement and I have not vision and and

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infra red but we never could spot anything. But yes,

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a Pigeon Mountain is well as the crow flies. It's

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about twelvemore I live, but it's a it's about a

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forty five minute drive to get to it because you

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have to go up, up and down a mountain and

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a half really to get to it.

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It's interesting. It's even lit up more than the if

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you go further east the Blue Ridge, Georgia area cherry

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Log over where the Bigfoot Museum is, and everyone talks

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about how that area, of course is very, very full

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of Bigfoot encounters. But I mean, it is not lit

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up on this map even close to uh to the

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area that we're referring to.

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So, well, I'm gonna tell you's play Tennessee. You've got

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four or five major cities. So you've got Memphis, you've

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got Nashville, you've got Cookville, you've got Chattanooga, and you've

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got an Ox. So was that five major cities? Between

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those cities is several hundred miles of woodland and could

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I couldn't tell you how many how many state parks

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and national parks and wildlife management areas there are. There's

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areas you can get on the interstate and drive and

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if you don't have gash, you better you better get

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gas quick because there's a lot of nothingness between between

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these places, and it's it's a lot like being in Seattle. Uh,

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It's it's a lot like being in Montana. Now, those areas,

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the big towns, are a lot further away, but the

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nothingness of wilderness between those big towns is the same.

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I mean, there's nothing, just just woods, and uh, very easy,

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very easy for for a cryptid to hide. And I

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don't even like to use the word cryptied because if

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you just look at anecdotal evidence, with all of the

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credible sightings just within the last one hundred years, all

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the from I consider myself a credible person. I didn't

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see anything on this particular instance, but I heard something.

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I'm educated our person. I know I know that that's

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so something happened. And I know I have listened to

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about fifteen different varieties of owls how they found, and

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none of them sounded like what we heard, and so

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I know it wasn't the owl. And uh, I don't

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think it was a chimpanzee. But anyway, then you take

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the footprints, and then you take the hair samples. You know,

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the DNA project that Dave Plis and Scott Carpenter did,

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I mean they proved. I mean, they they got proof.

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And if you hadn't read that or seen that documentary,

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you need to see it because they they spent a

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lot of time and a lot of money, uh with

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with this DNA project. So to me, it's not it's

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not a cryptis it's there people will, I mean at

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one point somebody will. I mean they had they had hair,

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hair follicles with mitochondrial DNA. They had blood, slava and

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flesh that they were uh that that were determined once

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they once they tested it with the human genome, it

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came back as in the human the humans, the human

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whatever you want to call it. I can't think of

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what you call it, but anyway, it was human. But

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the hair follicles are not human. Hair follicles are are

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are are slick on the outside edge of bigfoot hair

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follicles are ribbed, they're jagged there. They look like they're scale.

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They look scally And there's no other animal other than

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the sashquatch that has the same hair fogicles. And they

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have those hair fodicals all over the countries, but they

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don't they're testing them with with known animals. They comes

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back unknown primates. I don't think it's a primate. I

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just don't think it's a primate. I think it's something else. Hmm.

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It's it's very interesting, and you know, we'll we'll see

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what comes in the future. I know there's also another

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DNA study going on right now with Darby or cut

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out of I think North Carolina State, perhaps a college

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up in that area. And so you know, hopefully we

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get some solid answers, you know, within our lifetime at least,

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but well, I.

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Think we will. The disclosure is coming in a lot

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of different ways, in a lot of different areas. I

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have another story or too, if you'd love to hear.

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I I hate to say story because that sounds like

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but I have a couple other incidents that happened, and

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I'll be glad to tell you about it. Yes, the

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next one happened. And this kind of this is chronological.

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And I looked up to dates on calendars because I

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wanted to be precise, and so I got married on

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September twenty seventh of nineteen eighty six, and I picked

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the day because that was the opening of squirrel seasons

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and small game season, and I knew I'd never forget

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my anniversary. So anyway, so Monday, October the twentieth, note

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we hadn't been married just a couple of weeks. My

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young wife wanted to go camping, and her parents were

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absolutely upset about it. And we had our own home,

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and I had the eye, had a job, and we

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were living away from her our parents and my parents,

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and so her dad had a pickup truck and a

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one of those campers that slid in the back of

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the pickup truck and had like the sleep route went

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over the top of the truck. So they insisted instead

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of taking my vehicle, I took his truck and used

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their campers. That way, if it rained, we wouldn't get

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rained on and neither one of us would melt or

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die whatever. But this was a very very mild October

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for where we lived. So anyway, we we I went

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ahead and you know, did what they asked. So I

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took his truck this campus, and so we went to

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Harrison Bay, which is a state park which is backwaters

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of the Chickamauga Day which is another TVA project. It's

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a hydro electric dam, and they when they built it down,

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they backflooded all this property. And this is a slew

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that I spent many weekend nights with friends quote unquote camping,

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which meant sitting around a campfire drinking a whole heck

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of a lot of beers, and nobody had a tent.

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And so anyway to this area, I knew there would

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be no one there. It was a Monday night in October,

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and she and I went, and where we went was

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a road named Maddox Cemetery Road because it's a dead

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end of that road was Maddox Cemetery, very very old

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cemetery and if somebody wants to look it up, it's

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off of a North Highway fifty eight in Chattanooga, and

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they have biden. The road used to be a two

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lane road. Now I think it's it's four lane with

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a turning lane. And I don't know if Maddox Cemetery

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Road still has a sign. However, you can find Maddox

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Cemetery on Google Maps or Google Earth, because I looked

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at up myself and uh, just the other day. And

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so anyway, so we go to end the matic Cemetery Road.

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There's a little road that me and my friends cut

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in there that lead right up to the water. Years ago,

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we cut it in there. I pulled the truck in there,

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turned around and get I don't know why I didn't

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turn it to where the front of the truck was

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aiming to the to the towards the road the exit,

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but I aimed it a different way. I don't know

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why I did that, but anyway, so my wife was

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adamant about sleeping in a tent. So I set the

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tent up and there was already a firing that probably

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me and my friends built years earlier. And I built

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a fire, and we have dinner and work, chip chat

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and have a nice time, and then it's bedtime and

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the fire going down. We were getting going the tent

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and the the truck and camper is about thirty feet

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from the entrance of our tent. So we're just laying

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there talking and I've got the zipper unzipped to the

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tent so we could actually see the stars, you know,

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but it was probably in a little bout of three

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foot by three foot area. I guess I took the

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rain the rain thing off, what did you call that?

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So we could see the stars because there was no

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no precipitation expected. All of a sudden, we started hearing footsteps,

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and it's distinct footsteps. And I'm a hunter. I'm hunting

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my whole lot squirrel, rabbit, deer, you know, I'm a hunt.

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So I raise up and I actually turned my body

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around to where I can hear where the noise is coming.

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So it's coming from the left side, out of the road,

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but it's in the woods. And I hear step step,

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step step, and the steps where they were sounded, they

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sounded either something was moving real slow or it had

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a pretty good strike. And I thought, well, dank, somebody's

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coming through here. And so I had I had a

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thirty five Marling magazine full. I had my had, uh

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three fifty seven with an eight inch barrel, and that's

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all we had with us. And so I get up

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on my knees and I wore my face is up

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to the netting, and I shout out that direction. Uh, hey,

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we're camping back here, and I'd appreciate it if you'd

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find somewhere else to fish. There's a whole lot of

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shore line, so please find some other place to fish. Well,

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it stopped for a second, and then it moved again,

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this time a little slower, and then it actually moved

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the sort of west of us. I could hear it

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going off in the distance to the west where our

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hint was, but it was still in a westernly direction,

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coming towards us. But it moved away. Then all of

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a sudden, we hear a splash in the water. Now

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this is uh you know uh. Where we're at, which

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I know you is filled with what we call red

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Georgia clay, because the Georgia clay runs all the way

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into Chattega. Uh. Red clay doesn't know any state bounds.

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But anyway, packed hard red Georgia clays. Where where we're

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at in the the ledge from the edge of the

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where the land meets the water probably isn't but about

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two feet and there's no waves or anything unless a

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boat comes through makes way. Anyway, we hear a splash

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and then we hear Now the water is probably two

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foot deep, maybe maybe deep, but then we hear splash, splash, splash.

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You could hear something taking steps. I was six foot

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five at the time. If I was danging in two

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foot of water, you wouldn't hear my footsteps because I

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would my feet that would not come out of that water.

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It would be moving in the water and I thought

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that was extremely strange, and my wife got scared, and

457
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:27.960
it was coming our direction in the water, and now

458
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:31.519
we can't see anything. Now there's a full moon, but

459
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.079
I can't see. We're not close enought to the water

460
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.400
to where I can see what's going on. Well, then

461
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:39.920
it quietens down for a few minutes. Then all of

462
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.960
a sudden, we hear something coming out of the water

463
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.759
on the opposite side of us, on the east side

464
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:49.799
of our tent, probably thirty feet forty feet away from us.

465
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:52.400
Now we're only like ten feet away from the wood edge.

466
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.799
It's walking through the wood. Now, Houller out again. Hey,

467
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.920
i'd appreciate it if you'd find another fish. We're camping here.

468
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:05.920
And uh, then it stops and then it crossed. I

469
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:10.400
hear it not just started coming towards us, but it

470
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.000
basically I felt like it was coming out of the woods,

471
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.480
crossing the road, going back to the other side of

472
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.839
the road where it was. And then it started coming

473
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:22.000
back towards and I haulered out again. I said, I've

474
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.039
got a gun and I'm not afraid to use it.

475
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:26.759
So I told my wife, I said, I handed her

476
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.440
the rifle and I said, it's got a bullet in

477
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.599
the chamber, and she knew how to shoot, and all

478
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.079
you had to do was pull the hammer back and

479
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.880
pull the trigger on that rifle. I said, don't shoot me.

480
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.359
ZiT the tent and I said, I'm going to run out.

481
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.839
And I said, I noticed there was an old tire

482
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.359
land over next to where I parked. I'm going to

483
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:47.720
run out there and I'm gonna and I carried the pistowood,

484
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.839
I'm gonna grab that tire and I'm going to throw

485
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.200
it on the fire. Now the fire was just embers

486
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.559
and no flame. And I said, then as soon as

487
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.960
I thought on fire, I'm going to run jump right

488
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:02.640
back into the tent. Don't shoot me when I come

489
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:06.960
back in, unless it's not me so anyway, and I said,

490
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.319
it won't take but a minute or two if that

491
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:10.759
fire to blaze up. And I said, when it does,

492
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.160
we're going to run and get in that camper. And

493
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.440
a normal person would say, why wouldn't you run and

494
00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:21.039
getting the truck and started up and leave. Well, her

495
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:25.200
dad's ignition switch was messed up and it had he

496
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:27.759
he had it kind of rigged where he had a

497
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.319
little alan wrench that he put in there and you

498
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.240
pushed that Allen wrench forward and it would start the truck. Well,

499
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.880
when we got there, it got parked. Getting in down

500
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.039
the truck, the Allen wrench fell and it fell on

501
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.759
the ground. And I told her, said, remind me the

502
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.519
Allen ranches over there on the ground and that way tomorrow,

503
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:47.440
or that we were going to leave on Sunday, I think,

504
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:51.480
or on Wednesday or Thursday. Remind me to get this

505
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:53.759
Allen wrench so we don't lose it. We won't be

506
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:54.960
able to get out of here if I don't have it.

507
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:57.799
So that's why, because I didn't want to take the

508
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.799
time to try to find this allanrench to get the

509
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:02.039
truck started, and then I had to back up. Now

510
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:04.319
I was just so I ran and grabbed the tire,

511
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:09.680
threw it on fire, jumped in the tent, and uh

512
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:11.960
And it took just a minute or two for the

513
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.559
for the tire to blaze, and it did and it turned.

514
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:17.319
I don't know if you've ever seen a tire that

515
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.720
on fire, but it turned the daylight and just a

516
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:25.640
quick minute and I grabbed her and she took the

517
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.640
blankets and the pillows, and I had both guns and

518
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:30.720
we ran to the back of the truck. Now this

519
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.039
camper was a little bit shorter than his eight foot

520
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.440
dead of his truck, so I had to lower the

521
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.920
tailgate and then opened the door helped her in. I

522
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.839
got in, closed the door, raised the little window of

523
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.359
the door, reached out and closed the tailgate. And that way,

524
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.200
if something had to come in, he would have to

525
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:51.200
open the tailgate and then open the door, and I

526
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:54.799
was going to be opening the fire. So I got

527
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.240
her up in the in the sleeper area that went

528
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:00.119
over the cab of the truck, and I laid in

529
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.440
the floor facing that door, and we heard whatever this

530
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.920
thing was walk around our truck for several hours, and

531
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.079
I yelled out several times. I didn't want to shoot.

532
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:16.000
I did want to fire my my my weapon off.

533
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.519
And I don't know why I didn't. I could have

534
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.240
fired my weapon off at any time in the air

535
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.000
and mine a scared whoever whatever it was off, And

536
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:31.160
but I just have I've just been talked about gun safety.

537
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.480
You shoot, you shoot a bullet, it goes somewhere and

538
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.039
then it comes down somewhere. And if you don't know

539
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.359
where that bulle's go and you probably ought not to

540
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:41.400
shoot it, and I just didn't. And I guess that

541
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.880
was my muscle memory training of growing up around weapons,

542
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:51.440
and so I never did shoot. But finally, finally it

543
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.000
went away and stopped circling our camp. And uh, I

544
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.720
mean it was it was warm enough that I had

545
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:00.880
the visath camper, had crank out window in the windows

546
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.720
hatch greens on it. I had the windows opened a

547
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:05.680
little bit all the way around just to get some

548
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.759
airplanes out there, because we did there was no power

549
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.720
to this camper. It was just slid into there because

550
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.319
we had no intentions of using it. And so we're

551
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.799
sitting there and and it was kind of it was

552
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.400
kind of muggy because it was a very mild October.

553
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.039
It was probably in the upper sixties even at night,

554
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:27.559
and so I could hear and I could hear it

555
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:30.960
walking in circles and never did see it. Never did

556
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:34.759
see it. Well. When daylight came, we were ready to go,

557
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:40.039
and I very cautiously stepped out and walked all around

558
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.440
and I could find no prints, and I didn't really

559
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:47.000
expect to find any prints. I could see my prints

560
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.240
where I ran from the tent and I was brin

561
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:52.960
Tennis's where I ran from the tent and grabbed the tire.

562
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.160
And because I was running and stopped quickly, and I

563
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.960
could see them, I couldn't see the tracks of my shoes.

564
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.960
Would like to see my prints. But what we did

565
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.240
see is I walked over to the west side of

566
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.480
our camp area and you could see the water was

567
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:11.440
clear and still you could see holes in the mud

568
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.480
beneath the water. It was perfect clear, you could see

569
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.599
the bottom there were they were and I'm not saying

570
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:19.799
you can say footprints, but you can see where some

571
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:24.759
something walked in their stride and and you know, looking

572
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.640
through water, the distance could be skewed or whatever. But

573
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.880
these these strides were pretty pretty far apart. But like

574
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.200
I said, whatever it was was walking, when it would

575
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.599
take a step, its feet would come its other foot

576
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.119
would come completely out of the water and splash back

577
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:42.559
into the water. You could see those holes in the

578
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.920
in the dirt below the water on the shoreline for

579
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.880
about thirty feet from where it went to where it

580
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:53.720
came out. So you just have to just imagine. I

581
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.079
had no idea, you know what what what that was? Uh,

582
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:58.960
I don't think it was a I don't think it

583
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:03.519
was a person because because any normal person. Somebody tells you, hey,

584
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:06.440
I've got a gun and I'm ready to defend myself

585
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:09.679
and would you please leave because we're camping here. Any

586
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:15.199
normal person would would leave. And they that whoever whatever

587
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:16.119
that was, did not.

588
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.400
That's a wild account, man. That's probably one of the

589
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.880
more intense ones I've I've taken. Did you find the

590
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.679
Alan ranch on the ground?

591
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.320
I did? I did. It was right on the ground

592
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.519
next to the trucks. And I'll tell you this was

593
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.800
my first wife. Her name was and I spoke to

594
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.559
her and she said, was okay, we're we're good friends.

595
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.360
We had four kids together, and her name was Connie,

596
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.039
and she said she'd be more than happy to attest

597
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:49.719
to the account of what happened. And we talked about it,

598
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:55.119
and she said, I went through my account and she said, uh,

599
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:57.679
that's exactly what happened. She said, I remember it. She said,

600
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.400
I have had night marriages about that, and I she said,

601
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:03.760
I've told people about that one hundred times. And sometimes

602
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.079
we'll get together. We'll have family to get together, and

603
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:09.480
of course we share children and grandchildren, and we will

604
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.239
be at the same birthday parties together. And I'm remarried

605
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.880
being married twenty four years to my second wife. And

606
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.239
so we're all we're all adults. We get along just fine.

607
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:24.079
And she'll have somebody there, maybe the guy she's married to. Now.

608
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.639
She said, hey, tell him, tell him what happened on

609
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:29.000
our temperatrip. And I tell him and he goes, well,

610
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.679
that's exactly what she said, you know. So yeah, she's

611
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.519
she's my validation. It happened. It happened. And I put

612
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.360
my hand on the stack of Bibles that happened.

613
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.840
Wow, And what what year was this again?

614
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.280
Mark? It was nineteen eighty six, nineteen eighty.

615
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:48.800
Six, So I'm guessing October, right, And I'm guessing in

616
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.320
that area there probably wasn't a lot of were there

617
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:53.719
a lot of houses? Like I'm looking at the map and.

618
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.559
Oh no, that's that's State Park. There are some houses

619
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:03.480
on that are on the Harrison Bay. Uh, it's in

620
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:06.719
another area. Most of that when the TVA built that,

621
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.119
they bought they bought all that land up in the

622
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.840
nineteen thirties. And actually my great grandfather was a state

623
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.199
He helped to lead that whole program. They paid a

624
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.880
dollar and acre for people's farm land, and uh, then

625
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.639
a lot of prospectors came in and bought bought the

626
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:26.719
bought the rest of it because they knew that people

627
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.559
would want to live on the river at searchin spots.

628
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.559
But they made a state park around there, and there

629
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.559
is a marina, Uh that's there, and then this would

630
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:39.960
be this would be north of the arena. If you

631
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.800
if you were able to look up Maddox Maddox Chapel Cemetery,

632
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.639
I pulled it right up and Uh, just the other

633
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.679
day I was telling a friend, Uh, one of one

634
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.199
of the guys I worked with. Ironically, he's not from here,

635
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.480
but his wife is from the area I grew up,

636
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:56.519
and she went to the high school right down the

637
00:36:56.599 --> 00:37:00.280
roads there, and she said that she didn't from remember

638
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.079
that road. But they they actually found the Madix Chapel

639
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.920
Cemetery and sent me a screenshot of it that I

640
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.000
looked up and found it myself. But the Maddix Chapel Road,

641
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.480
the entrance to it got changed when they get to

642
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.400
imagine widening a two lane road to a four lane

643
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.760
with a with a you know, a turning lane in

644
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.679
the middle of it. They took took a whole lot there,

645
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.960
and there was a lot of property to take because

646
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:28.079
you're right there on the on the bay anyway. Mm hmm.

647
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.679
It's it's a really interesting account, just especially if you

648
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.800
look at a map, and I would recommend listeners look

649
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:41.800
at a map. It's just it's so interesting this how

650
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.599
this whole area is laid out.

651
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.960
These things happened, like I said, I did. I never

652
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.920
said it was a big foot, but I don't think

653
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.639
it was a person, or any sane person, or it

654
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.239
could have been an insane person that was had a

655
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:56.880
very very very long stride.

656
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.159
Either way, it's it's like you're in a You're in

657
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.719
a bad situation, no matter what it is, it's not

658
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:09.840
a fun situation. When you were listening to something walking around,

659
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.960
then did you hear any other sounds that were happening

660
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:15.960
at the same time, No.

661
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.320
We got it was quiet. And see the thing about

662
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.320
it is the only reason I heard I should have

663
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.840
mentioned this, the only reason. I guess I would have

664
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:28.400
heard the footsteps, uh sooner. I mean, I mean I

665
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:32.480
would have heard the footsteps, probably later on than what

666
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.000
I did. But we were laying there and you know,

667
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.760
it's still warm out and there's like a million frogs,

668
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.440
and I don't remember hearing any crickets. But we did

669
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.880
hear an hour or two and and a few night birds.

670
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:51.559
But the frogs were almost almost deafening, uh where they

671
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.280
were chirping because it was still so warm, and uh,

672
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.079
all of a sudden it got quiet. And my wife said,

673
00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:59.920
did She said, did the did the did the frog

674
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:03.280
go to bed? I guess, I guess they did. They

675
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:05.360
all went to better at the same time, and then

676
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:09.920
with within within a minute or two, I hear the footsteps.

677
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:12.119
But she said, is that a deer? I said, no,

678
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.119
that's a dear. Don't make that deer does not make

679
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.719
those kind of steps those that's a person, somebody on

680
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.199
two feet walking. I can tell you that for sure.

681
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.400
I've heard I have tracked. You know, I could have killed.

682
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:30.119
I could have killed a thousand button bucks that were

683
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:33.280
legal to kill, but I wouldn't. I always wait for

684
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:37.079
a big, a big buck, and you know, just just

685
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.639
for the sport of it. And I know what deer

686
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:41.519
sounds like when they walks to the woods. I know

687
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:43.599
what a COLDI sounds like when I watch through the woods.

688
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.280
I know what a bear sounds like when I watched

689
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:48.480
to the woods. This thing was not any of those things.

690
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:52.440
And oh, yes, I wish I had mentioned that, but yes,

691
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:56.559
it was definitely quiet. Uh. I mean there was not

692
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.440
even any boats in the water, because this has been

693
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.440
a friday out there would have been boats out on

694
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.320
the water. You could heard music people playing the radios

695
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:06.800
in the boats. For a half mile or more, you

696
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.800
could have heard it. There was nothing at all. You

697
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:11.360
couldn't We were so far back you couldn't hear traffic,

698
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.719
and we were only about maybe a mile from Highway

699
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.920
fifty eight. But there's so much woods right there where

700
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.079
we were in this little slut that the woods. We

701
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.119
couldn't hear cars, we couldn't see the lots of cars.

702
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:29.159
So yeah, it was quiet, really interesting. It feels like

703
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:33.760
I'm going to guess someone listening out there has had

704
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.960
some I just feels like there's probably something else that

705
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.679
has happened in this particular Harrison Bay State Park over

706
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:45.000
the years since nineteen eighty six. So contact me. Listeners

707
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:48.400
are put in the comments if you've experienced something weird there,

708
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:55.119
but mark really interesting stuff so far, But what else

709
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:56.400
have you experienced as well?

710
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:01.039
Well? I've got another bigfoot related to not bigfoot related,

711
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:06.239
just big foot. I had a horrible foot injury. In

712
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:09.559
like twenty forty fourteen, I lost my achilles attendant and

713
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:13.920
had had thirteen operations, and it was to the point

714
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.280
to where I could no longer do my job as

715
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:20.199
a Department of Transputation. And I'd had a CDL licenses

716
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:25.800
nineteen nineteen, nineteen eighty nine, Yeah, nineteen eighty nine, So

717
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.440
I had an opportunity after rehabilitation, I had an opportunity

718
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.960
to go to work in the oil fields driving a

719
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.559
truck and made quite a bit of money. That was

720
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:39.679
twenty fourteen, and then the oil prices dropped and the

721
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.920
money was no longer there for being so far away

722
00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:47.079
from home, and myself and my brother in law were

723
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.400
up in Ostakota working, so we decided to come home

724
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:54.360
and we got a job team driving. We were driving

725
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:59.760
for Transport America, and so somewhere around June or July,

726
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.239
my brother in law had to go home because my

727
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.000
sister was getting ready to have a baby, so I

728
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:09.480
was driving by myself. So I looked this up, because

729
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.239
I actually made notes of this when it happened, and

730
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.559
I told my what told bove people about it. So

731
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:18.719
I went back to my notes and looked to refresh

732
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:21.639
myself to make sure. It happened on Tuesday, August the

733
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.719
eighteens of twenty fifteen. So I was driving the semi

734
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.719
like I said for Transport America. I dropped my loaded

735
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:33.440
trailer at a storage lot in West Memphis, Tennessee, and

736
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.400
I dead headed from Memphis to Little Rock. And those

737
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:41.079
who don't know what deadhead means, that when you drive

738
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:44.159
your tractor without a trailer, and normally it means you

739
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.440
don't get paid or you get paid a lot less.

740
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:51.760
So anyway, I had got a Little Rock picked up

741
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:55.199
my loaded trailers, but I only had about two hours

742
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.000
left of my drivetime for the night, and I was

743
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:00.320
trying to get the heck out of there I could

744
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:07.440
make it back to Memphis. So I see I was

745
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:13.159
traveling east on I forty between Brinkley, Arkansas and Forest City.

746
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.360
And I looked that up after the fact because I

747
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.039
didn't know where the heck I was because it was

748
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.559
two o'clock in the morning when this happened, and there

749
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:26.639
was no cars on the interstate at all at this time,

750
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:29.599
and which was kind of unusual. But there was another

751
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.760
tracking trailer right next to me, big old guy driving

752
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:37.360
a Peterbilt, and we were. And nowadays hardly any truck

753
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.199
drivers used CEB radios anymore. But I'm a CBE guy

754
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.599
and he happened to be too, and he was. He

755
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.559
pulled up next to me, we're driving side by side,

756
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:50.719
and picked up his his CD mike and showed it

757
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.039
to me, and then I picked up mine and showed

758
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.199
it to him. And then he gave me the finger

759
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.840
numbers with his fingers what channel to go to. And

760
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:04.679
we were chit chatting back fourth from the CB radio. So, uh,

761
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.599
we were traveling, man, and uh this ship that and

762
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.360
back and forth. And we were in this section in

763
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:17.679
this area between Brinkley and uh Forest City. Uh, it's

764
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:23.199
absolutely nothing. I mean, man, it is nothing, nothing, nothing

765
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:29.199
but woods, little exits exit or two here and there

766
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:34.239
didn't have you know, restaurant sign here, gas station sign

767
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.719
or or a hotel sign. It said no services. So

768
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:41.320
there was nothing. You could see, no lights of any cities.

769
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.519
There was no ambient light at all other than the

770
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:50.320
crystal clear black sky and a full moon. And we

771
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.719
could see it's like almost like daylight on the road.

772
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:56.239
And then all of a sudden and I could probably

773
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.000
really and truly this section we were at. I could

774
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.679
probably see them all mall and a half. It had

775
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:03.239
made just about because the moon was directly a bot

776
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:08.280
And so to give you the layout, the interstate was

777
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:12.559
two lanes on the two lanes going east, then then

778
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.880
a median with about a four and a half foot

779
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:24.480
concrete divider, and then two lanes going west. Then there

780
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.960
was probably forty or fifty feet of right of way

781
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.320
grass right of way that led up to a fence

782
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:36.239
that was at least six feet off and on both sides,

783
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.199
and which is normal for for a road like that,

784
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:44.599
so off in the distance, and I can't I really

785
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:46.559
can't tell you how far off in the distance it

786
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.079
was because I could see so far. But from the

787
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.599
time I saw what I saw, it had crossed the

788
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.000
road in the other side before we passed it, So anyway,

789
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.719
I didn't see this thing come over the fence. Whatever

790
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.519
it was had to come over that fence within just

791
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:10.440
a few strides of that thirty or so feet of grass,

792
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:16.639
and then acrossed two lanes of the highway, and then uh,

793
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:21.559
there were this area. There were mile markers on both

794
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.760
sides of the highway, and they had mile markers in

795
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:29.719
h I think tents, and they were on either wooden

796
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.199
posts or I can't remember, but it was. He said.

797
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.000
He was say, like my marker, just for instance, I

798
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.159
don't know what my marker was, We'll say my marker

799
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.599
two point four and uh. And it was on I

800
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.480
think it was on like a four or four post

801
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.119
right next to the concrete of four and a half

802
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.599
foot concrete divider. And this thing put its hand on

803
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.840
that sign post and threw itself over that four and

804
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:56.239
a half foot concrete divider and ran across the highway.

805
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.400
And then I did see it leap over the fence

806
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:03.159
on the other side, and and me and this guy

807
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:07.400
were side by side, and I looked over him his

808
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.079
eyes balls was big around the saucerers and mine was too,

809
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.960
and I just hit the shoulders and I at the

810
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:16.679
shoulder started slowing down, and he pulled over in front

811
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.679
of me and got out and said, did you see

812
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.440
that damn thing? And I said, yes, I did. And

813
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.239
I'm going to tell you what, Jeremiah. It was either

814
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:31.280
a really really really tall guy in a gilly suit

815
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.519
that was very athletic, that could scale that that six

816
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:39.800
foot fence, and that could throw himself over that that median,

817
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:42.960
and I'm telling you he ran thirty feet from the

818
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.840
from the fence on my side two lanes, jumped over

819
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.320
that median and then ran two lanes and thirty feet

820
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.280
or so and leapt over that fence on the other side.

821
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.119
Very very very agile, athletic, you know, seven and a

822
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.840
half eight foot tall guy and a gilly suit or

823
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:03.559
it was a sashquash, and that's all there is to it.

824
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.280
And me and that guy exchanged numbers, and we talked

825
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:13.039
several times over the years, and I tried to call him.

826
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.559
I actually I tried to taste him back last year

827
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:19.960
when you and I spoke, and apparently his numbers has

828
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:23.760
changed or he could possibly be deceased because he was

829
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.800
possibly ten keen or twelve at least at least ten

830
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:29.440
years older than I was, because he told me he'd

831
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:33.119
been driving for thirty five years. But anyway, that was

832
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:41.039
that was a absolutely jaw dropping Okay, this is definitely

833
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:45.159
something there's something going on here in my brain happening.

834
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:48.960
I mean, that's such an interesting encounter. And if you

835
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:53.199
look at it on the map, there are multiple sightings

836
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:57.360
in that area between Brinkley and the Forest City. I mean,

837
00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:58.639
especially around.

838
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.119
I never even looked at that, and I went from Palestine. Yeah,

839
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.079
I never I had. I wish I had, I should have.

840
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.519
I never even thought about looking at the map there.

841
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.320
I always look around where I live. I never even

842
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:13.199
thought about looking at it.

843
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.000
I mean, it's it's lit up pretty good in that area,

844
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:19.639
so I mean, yeah, definitely, definitely check it out. But

845
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.360
did you get a good look at the face of

846
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:22.159
the creature at all?

847
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.159
No, he was running, he I mean it ran a

848
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.960
straight line. Wasn't noose zig zagging, wasn't no nothing around

849
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:34.559
a straight line one fence to the other. And like

850
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:36.239
I said, I didn't see him some over the fence

851
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.760
on my side, but I seen him at by the

852
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:40.639
edge of the fence. So he had to jump over

853
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:42.599
that fence if he jumped over the other, and he

854
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:44.920
jumped over this one. But all I saw was the

855
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.599
side of view. And I'm gonna be honest here, I've

856
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.239
seen the gilly suit, a real one, and this thing

857
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:55.719
that they're very long and stringing, and this was not

858
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.840
like that. This thing was covered in hair, and it

859
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:02.199
was I would say, probably no longer than four inches

860
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:09.360
in its longest point. And you say it did look

861
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:11.199
like it didn't have a neck, but it was so

862
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:15.559
muscular and I could see I could see the muscles,

863
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.159
just like the Patty film. I could see. I mean,

864
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.920
it was in my headlights by the time, by the

865
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.239
time he got in front of the truck next to us,

866
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.519
within the headlight view, he was in our headlights. And

867
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.400
he jumped over that media and was past them of

868
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.239
the two lanes and across and over the fence on

869
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.760
the other side. He was gone. I mean, he was moving.

870
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.280
I couldn't tell you what speed, but we were doing.

871
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:42.920
My truck wouldn't go any faster than seventy four miles

872
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:45.159
an hour, and I was and we were going downhill,

873
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:48.119
so I was probably going faster than that. So it

874
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.239
made no work at all of jumping those fences, crossing

875
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.840
those four lanes, and jumping the other fence. It didn't

876
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:57.800
take any time at all. And I just wish I

877
00:50:57.880 --> 00:50:59.880
had had dash cam. I don't even know if they

878
00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:01.880
had dash can at the time, but I tell you what,

879
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:06.000
I have dash can now, and because I'm I'm not

880
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.760
going to miss out on on something that comes in

881
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:10.199
front of me.

882
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.679
Did you notice anything about the arms at all?

883
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.119
Uh? The arms were in like a bent running move

884
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:19.559
like like like you and I would run, you know, bent,

885
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.239
And but they were moving back and forth, right and left.

886
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.039
They weren't. They weren't hanging down. I couldn't. I'm not

887
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:26.880
gonna say they were hanging down below with knees right,

888
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.840
that crap, because they were. I couldn't. It was running

889
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.480
so uh, but they were. They were huge, for sure.

890
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.119
And they were they were very huge. And I did

891
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:42.239
see I did see his hands. I never ever really

892
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.559
thought about seeing his feet or looking at his feet,

893
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:51.760
because I was so I was so dang flabbergasted at

894
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.079
what we saw, you know, I mean, I dropped him.

895
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.400
I was. I was. My truck was automatics. I didn't

896
00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.440
have to worry about jamming any gears or anything. So

897
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.280
I had to one hand on the stairingwheel and my

898
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:04.239
left hand on the stairing wheel, right hand on on

899
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:06.599
the mic that was hanging down from the spring and

900
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:08.880
chip chatting with this guy. And all of a sudden

901
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:12.599
I saw it first and I dropped the mic. Of course,

902
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.639
the spring caught it, and I was looking and and

903
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:18.880
the guy told me he saw me drop the mic,

904
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:21.679
and he thought he thought maybe I saw a deer

905
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:25.840
right now, and he started breaking and then looked straight

906
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:28.360
ahead and then he saw it. And by the time

907
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.679
he saw it, it was in front of him and

908
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.880
jumping over the median and then watched it, you know,

909
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.400
across the other side, through the through the grass. But

910
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:40.639
we didn't we never uh uh. He was over the

911
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.039
other fence before we passed the location, so we had

912
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:45.960
a hell of a good look at him in the

913
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:50.320
in the full moon it was I guess it might

914
00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:52.920
have been a three quarter moon, but it was bright

915
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.119
out there because uh, there was there was, like I said,

916
00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.800
no ambient light from any towns that all. There's nothing

917
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:01.480
just out there.

918
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:06.239
Did you notice any particular color that would show up

919
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:07.719
like that.

920
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:14.920
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, Rusty Cinnamony Brown what

921
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:18.280
I saw? Uh. And I got a better look in

922
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:21.159
his headlights than I did mine because I was so

923
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:26.920
decdom surprised. I wasn't taking account of what I was seeing, uh,

924
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:32.960
you know, mentally breaking down what I was seeing until

925
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:36.119
his headlights hit it and I was like, oh my god,

926
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.039
that's what dad comes sasquashed. And then I saw I'm

927
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:44.960
gonna say, Cinnamony brown, and I would say full grown

928
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.920
seven and a half eight foot by the way that he,

929
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:54.599
I mean no effort at all jumping over that median.

930
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:59.199
And then no, he this thing grabbed the top rail

931
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:03.199
of this thing with its left arm and threw itself

932
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:07.239
over the fence with his entire body over the fence

933
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.199
with its left arm, with just the power of his

934
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.159
left arm. And I guess he jumped at the same time.

935
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.119
But I don't know too many, too many people that

936
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:20.079
can do that, even in my most most athletic abilities,

937
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.280
and I was. I played football. Uh I played tennis.

938
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.000
I was a cave and rescue person up until I

939
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:33.519
was in my late twenties. I played adult league football.

940
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.280
I ran when I was in school, junior high and

941
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.559
high school. I ran cross country tracks at East Lake

942
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:43.679
Elementary and Udawah High School. So uh, I was fairly

943
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:47.480
athletic and and and I was a student of kung

944
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:51.960
fu how Lo kung fu pretty athletic, and it had

945
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:55.800
ability of agility, but never anything like that.

946
00:54:57.400 --> 00:54:59.840
Did you get the feeling that it was chasing some

947
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.199
something or running away from something, or maybe a mixture

948
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:06.400
or something in between.

949
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:08.920
I just kind of felt like he was trying to

950
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:12.039
get across the road, and he had had somewhere to go,

951
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:17.400
and looking at that area where we were and looking

952
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:21.800
at my notes, there was I can't don't remember if

953
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.719
the next day exit was Palestine or if we had

954
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:28.280
just passed Palestine. And but looking at my notes, there

955
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:32.280
are a series of ponds or lakes on the left

956
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:36.239
side if I'm going if I'm going east on forty,

957
00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:38.920
there was a series of ponds and lakes on the

958
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:43.760
left side past the woods over there. I figured he

959
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:48.599
was probably going to one of those lakes for water

960
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:52.000
or for food or something. Was my was my thoughts

961
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:52.519
at the time.

962
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:57.079
I mean, if you look at the map, that area

963
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:03.159
lines up exactly where I mean, these other sightings were

964
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.199
seen over the years, almost like they're like following the

965
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.159
forest quarter up.

966
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:14.239
And over the way that butts up against if you

967
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.000
go I'm assuming the private land between the right of way,

968
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.199
then if you if you go further, if you go

969
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:28.880
further northwest, looking at Google Earth, you'll see there's there's

970
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:33.800
wildlife management that butts upright against it, many many acres.

971
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.559
And I'm telling you, I'm the notes I'm reading from

972
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.880
that that I was looking at while I was telling

973
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.280
you my story. These are notes that I made. I'm

974
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.079
looking at it right now. I made these notes on

975
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:49.960
the nineteenth day of August twenty fifteen, and I went

976
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:52.679
to Google Earth then, and then I went to Google

977
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.079
Earth today, and I had screenshots of Google Earth then

978
00:56:56.239 --> 00:56:59.519
and Google today, and they're they're a heck of a

979
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.519
lot better today they were then. But there are a

980
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:07.960
series of huge lakes, huge lakess and on the left

981
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.320
side of where he was headed. So that's where I

982
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.800
think he was going. He was going for water, because

983
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.440
I don't remember seeing I seem like I remember seeing

984
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:19.280
a couple of creeks on the right side of the road,

985
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:23.199
but not a series of ponds or at least large enough,

986
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:29.000
at least as large as those were on the other

987
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:29.960
side of the interstate.

988
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:36.199
Yeah, I'm looking up if you go further north from there,

989
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:42.679
there is a Pine Tree Wildlife Management area up there.

990
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.480
I'm looking up on X, which is not a sponsor,

991
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.280
but if you guys are listening, you know you can

992
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:50.119
reach out at any time.

993
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:52.280
Yeah.

994
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.960
On X is a great tool tease too, if you

995
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:01.199
have it. But yeah, there's definitely stuff for them to

996
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:02.079
go to.

997
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:03.000
In that area.

998
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:05.639
So man, I like that one. That was a good one, dude,

999
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:07.840
that's a great account.

1000
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:13.159
I'm still I'm still looking. I plan on going this

1001
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:17.599
summer back to the Crawford Pigeon Mountain. The funny thing

1002
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:19.960
about it is is you could name a mountain whatever

1003
00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:23.280
you want, but Pigeon Mountain is part of It's a

1004
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.360
leg that comes off of a lookout mountain, and lookout

1005
00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:29.199
mountain is like two thousand or something feet above sea level.

1006
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.679
Of course, we're that's the very edge of the Cumberland

1007
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.679
Plateau where I live. So I think it's only like

1008
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:38.239
eleven hundred feet from the base of the mountain to

1009
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:43.760
the top. And I'm I'm also a metal metal detector enthusiasts,

1010
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:47.280
and myself and my kids were metal detecting up up

1011
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:49.400
on the mountain at one time, and I had to

1012
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.000
go to the bathroom and believe myself, and I was

1013
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.719
with two of my daughters. So I stepped off way

1014
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:58.639
away and I found the little little wet weather stream

1015
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.320
which was dry at the time, and I began to

1016
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:05.599
you know, the pp and uh, all of a sudden,

1017
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:10.679
I see something shiny. And I'm also a Indian arawhead

1018
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:14.239
collector and I've got thousands of arrowheads. And what I

1019
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:20.639
thought was flint, that by my pea was was boring

1020
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:24.760
away at the soil was flint. So when I when

1021
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.400
I get done, we're leaving myself, I take my water

1022
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.639
bottle and the rent rent this thing off and it's

1023
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:35.360
a Masta Don tooth, and I've got a picture of it,

1024
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.480
and it's it's it's bigger than the palm of my hand.

1025
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:41.960
And I got a great big hand, so that that

1026
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:45.320
part of the world was underwater at one time, and

1027
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:48.760
there were Masta Dons that lived there, so for there

1028
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:50.880
to be a tooth there. And I found all kinds

1029
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.880
of sea urchins and fossils and stuff up up in

1030
00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:57.760
the area. But it's a great area, and we've done

1031
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.760
a lot of a lot of exploring. And I can't

1032
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:03.760
hike like I used to could because of my right

1033
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:09.760
foot doesn't have my achilles tendon. Got your achilles tendon

1034
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:12.559
is attached to your heels, and mine broke loose and

1035
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.760
they actually fused it to the back of my ankle,

1036
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:18.840
so my pivot point is off, so I can't I

1037
01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:23.679
can't walk around on uneven topography very well without a

1038
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.320
walking stick or at all depending upon the elevation, so

1039
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.199
I'm limited to what I can do. But we're still

1040
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:36.280
looking around and listening and seeing things and hearing stuff.

1041
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.360
We have all kinds of stuff happening around our house,

1042
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:44.480
and where we live is wooded and uh sparsely populated,

1043
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:45.840
so I'm still looking.

1044
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.320
It sounds like the area you're in, without a doubt,

1045
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.760
there's some some definite big foot activity there. Have you

1046
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.599
ever talked to like you, you're, anyone else in the

1047
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.360
area about if they've had experiperiances as well or.

1048
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:06.840
Well. I talked to my uncle, my mother's youngest brother,

1049
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:09.960
and he had he's he's the guy that got me

1050
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.239
in on ar Awhead hontings and taught me how to

1051
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:17.519
do it, and he's had experiences. He's never saw anything,

1052
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.079
but he had been paste in the woods by something,

1053
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:26.119
and whatever it was was very, very large, and he

1054
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:29.039
never he said he knew it wasn't a bear, and

1055
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:33.079
the bear we have around here they're not I mean,

1056
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:36.280
a bear around here will can kill you, but for

1057
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:38.639
the most part you don't have interactions with him like

1058
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:41.639
that around here. But he knew it wasn't a bear,

1059
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:44.079
and he knew it wasn't the person because he had

1060
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.800
shouted out. And most of us around here carry firearms

1061
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:51.639
with us because of there's dangerous in the woods. So

1062
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:53.880
there's people that live out there that's not supposed to be.

1063
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:56.280
There's fugitives, we'll live out there. There's people that have

1064
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.199
pot grows and stuff like that, and you just have

1065
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:01.400
to have you need to have a firearm. And we

1066
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.800
never went into the woods without a firearm. Even when

1067
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:08.400
I was a kid, we had high powered pellet rifles

1068
01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:12.840
and knives that our parents made sure we kept with us.

1069
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.480
And when I was walking through the woods, even on

1070
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:19.079
the outskirts of Chattanooga, up in the woods Woodland area,

1071
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.480
I had a pump pellet rifle that was as strong

1072
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:26.159
as a twenty two that was loaded and pumped and cocked,

1073
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:28.360
and I had a big knife on my hips and

1074
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.280
so just for protection, and all of us did so

1075
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.119
it's not a it's not a strange thing for us

1076
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:39.159
to do that. But anyway, he said he he knew

1077
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.039
that he was being paid by something, and he told

1078
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:47.760
me that he he is. He's kind of fell short

1079
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:51.360
of saying it was a sashquatch, but he said, I

1080
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.719
don't think it was a person, but whatever it was

1081
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:56.760
was walking on two feet. You know that that's as

1082
01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:00.000
far as he would go. But I've had numerous friends

1083
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:03.400
that once I open up to them about things that

1084
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:06.239
I've seen, because I'm not ashamed. I'll just tell you

1085
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:08.920
I'm not ashamed at all. I don't think I don't

1086
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.639
think a person should be ashamed or embarrassed to tell

1087
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:15.880
something that they saw or heard that there could be explanations,

1088
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.840
but there's sometimes there's not explanations. So tell what you

1089
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:22.519
see in here and be stand up for yourself and say,

1090
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:26.000
you know what, I'm not crazy. You know, the government,

1091
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:29.000
the TV, the news, everybody wants to try to make

1092
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:33.119
you look like you're ignorant or uneducated or whatever. But

1093
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:35.760
if you see what you see and you hear what

1094
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:39.679
you hear and stand up for it, I love that.

1095
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:43.880
Oh man, that's that's one of the best ways I've

1096
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.840
heard that said so far. Mark that that is amazing.

1097
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:52.519
You know, Uh, how do you feel about maybe sticking

1098
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:54.880
around a little bit longer. I know in the past

1099
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:59.000
we talked about this soft off show, but you've seen

1100
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:02.760
some other weird stuff. You've had a you grew up

1101
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.920
in a house that had some issues going on maybe

1102
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.320
even haunted, and how do you feel about maybe sticking

1103
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.000
around chatting about that for the members show a little bit.

1104
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.079
Hi, I'm good. I don't I don't have to report

1105
01:04:15.159 --> 01:04:18.039
back for till one pm tomorrow, so I'm good, all right.

1106
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:20.480
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

1107
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:23.400
for listening to this episode of The Big for Society podcast.

1108
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.760
Mark's encounters aren't just chilling, They're the kind that make

1109
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.840
you rethink what's possible in the dark corners of our world.

1110
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.599
It's a huge thanks to Mark for sharing these memories

1111
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.199
from Harrison Bay, Raccoon Mountain and that unforgettable night on

1112
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:39.239
I forty, and for standing by his experiences no matter

1113
01:04:39.320 --> 01:04:42.719
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01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.079
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1122
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:05.960
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1123
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:08.079
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1124
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:10.599
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1125
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1132
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:38.960
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1133
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:41.679
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1134
01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:44.239
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1135
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:45.840
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