Nov. 29, 2025

Witness Describes Creature Near Alden Reservoir That Changed His Life Forever

Witness Describes Creature Near Alden Reservoir That Changed His Life Forever
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Season 1

In this chilling Bigfoot Society episode, a Pennsylvania witness comes forward with a life-changing encounter deep in the woods near Alden Reservoir, Tomko Road, and Davis Street in the Scranton–Wilkes-Barre area. Frank recounts the unforgettable night he and his friends were camping at a spot they simply called “The Spot.” What began as a normal weekend in the Northeastern Pennsylvania mountains quickly turned terrifying when they experienced strange sounds, trees pulled across trails, and an encounter with something far larger—and far more intelligent—than anything they expected.

Frank shares the exact locations tied to his experience, including Witkis Villa, Holly Street, and the surrounding ridgelines and creek areas. He also reveals unsettling local lore about mysterious small creatures said to inhabit the woods, and the disturbing reaction of longtime mountain residents when he accidentally spoke an unfamiliar word linked to these legends.

If you’re interested in real Sasquatch encounters, Bigfoot sightings in Pennsylvania, Appalachian creature stories, or unexplained wilderness phenomena, this episode dives deep into a firsthand account that still haunts the witness decades later.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Frank today. Frank is

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an individual, he's a listener of the show and he's

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from out there in northeast Pennsylvania, the Scranton area, Scranton,

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Wilkespear And welcome to the show today, Frank. How are

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you doing, sir?

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Good? How you doing?

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Jeremi doing great? I'm excited for this one because we

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don't get a lot from Northeast Pennsylvania. We've had a

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few individuals come on the show, but it's not a

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really popular area like your Pacific Northwest. Any information from

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this area of a Scranton and surrounding area is great

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to hear from. Feel free, Frank, to take us back

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to what you experience that day, and we'll be there

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right with you.

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Okay, all right, So this happened, I'm going to say

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it was. I don't know the exact day.

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I know it was after high school, so it was

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probably two thousand and one, two thousand and two somewhere

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in there, and I'm almost positive it was Labor Day weekend.

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We used to have this place that's called the Spot.

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I believe it's marked on my low map there.

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But everyone if we're looking for a name or to

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name our camping area, and every time we said we're

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going off the spot, it eventually stuck. So that's what

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it was. So anyways, we're camping up there and our

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buddies just happened to have another place up There's a

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whole ridge of rocks there that are real high. It's

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it's a mountain to us, not a mount to you

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guys out there in the Pacific northwest.

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About to us, it's we're in a whole valley, a

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big bowl.

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We're in here. That whole ridge is white rocks, it's

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all quarts and everything that we called white rocks.

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So anyway, they.

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Were up above us and you can actually there's like

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the rock is about.

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It's hard to.

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Walk up about forty five degree degrees of just rocks.

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It's like we used to slide down on our butts

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to get down from there. So we would go up

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there from our camas spot, go up to theirs and

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hang out with those guys. And the only problem was

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that they never brought any wood or anything like that.

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They were never prepared, and we were a little different.

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I told my buddy Shane, I said, hey, grab the

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hatchet and the tree sauce so we can get some

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wood up there. I said, cause you're going to have

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a fire full of plastic and you know it's going

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to be smoking in our faces and whatnot.

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That's what we did and we went ahead.

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We climbed up there, we said hi to everyone, and

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sure enough there was a fire pit full of aluminum

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cans and plastic that was smoldering and it was horrible.

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So I said a Shane, I said, hey, let's go

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get some wood. And as we went up over the rocks,

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and at this point we're coming down on the side

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of the of the woods where we're getting closer to

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where the little village is up there. It's still a

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couple hundred yards in the woods, but we're going like

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closer that way. And as we're looking for wood, there

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was all these little black locust trees that were everywhere,

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and for whatever reason, they're slowly dying out in that

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area there, and so.

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That's what I would look for. Even if it was

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at night, you can see them without.

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A flashlight, you'd see these little pole the trees sticking

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up with no leaves on them or anything. So we

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were looking for that. Not to mention, it's a very

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hard wood and it burns good. So we're walking down

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this path and I can't see anything there's I could

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see why they're not getting no wood because you had

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a walk a while to get it. So anyway, we

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get away from the the where they're I would just

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say the party because they were they were camping to.

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But so anyway we get down the road and maybe

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about one hundred yards from them, and I we find

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some trees and we're hitting the tree with the hatchet

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and it was basically just bouncing off. It wasn't doing

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much we're taking turns cutting trees down. These little trees

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they were like and like I said, they're all dead,

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but there were It's a real hard wood and they're

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all about four inches across, and so it takes a

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little while to get through them with a little handsaw,

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and so I would cut one down, he'd hold the flashlight,

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and then we would take turns. So it turns out

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that he it's his turn to go ahead and cut

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the tree down, and I have the flashlight. And as

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he's cutting through the tree, the branch we're buy the

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there's oak trees all over there, all different kinds of trees,

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but we were buy an oak tree, I believe. And

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the branch above my head starts shaking and I look

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up and I can't really see nothing. So I take

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the flashlight and I pointed up in the up at

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the branch and the trees there, and I don't see anything.

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And it's only about a second or two later he yells, hey,

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I can't see nothing. So I put the flashlight back

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on him, and it wasn't ten twenty seconds later that

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the branch start shaking again, and I go ahead, and

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I'm waiting for something to fall in my head like

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a porcupine or a raccoon or something, because they're all

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over up there. And so I take the flashlight and

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look up and there's I can't see anything.

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When he says, hey, I can't see nothing.

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So we go back and forth with this a few

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times before I just said, Shane, hold on, there's something

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in this tree.

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I got to find out what's in this tree. So

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I go ahead and.

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I put the flashlight up and I'm looking at this

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branch and I'm looking for whatever is shaking this branch.

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And as I follow the branch back to the actual tree,

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I hit the wye in the tree and I come

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down the tree, and now I see what I thought

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with my brain, and it's so weird when this happens

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this way. I thought there was a tree that like

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fell down and it was on like a forty five

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degree angle maybe something like that. And in my head

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I thought there was this reddish moss hanging from the tree.

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And although it didn't make any sense really at the time,

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that's just what I'm thinking in my head. That's what

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I'm looking at here. So I come down the tree

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and I see this weird tree with this what I.

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Thought was moss hanging off of it. And now I'm like,

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what is this?

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And I come down that and I'm noticing that it's

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getting thicker, and I don't realize that as I'm panning

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to the right, I'm actually coming closer to the path

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than I'm on and lo and behold, it comes to

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this big Honestly, it looked like a hairy sheet of plywood.

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That's what it looked like at first, like just this.

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Big, hairy I thought it was moss first, but it

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didn't take me long to notice, like, what is this?

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Is this like some kind of hair or something?

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And it's and the best way to describe it is

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it had the color of like an orangutans. It was

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basically like a brownish red color color of a deer,

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I guess you could say, in this area at that

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time of year. So anyway, I am, I don't know

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what I'm looking at, and I'm close to it. When

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I say close, man, I'm sitting here looking and it

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I was about at the most I was ten feet away.

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Okay, So this light that I had.

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Was one of these older let flash light and it

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was the ones that take the big batteries you put

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in there, and it was plastic, so they weren't really

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that good. And you pushed the little button on top.

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It was one of those ones that you carry. It

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had a handle on it. And the beam of light

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isn't like lighting up all around it. It's just hitting

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the spot. And I could just see what's right in

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front of me there, and it's like as I start

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like coming up with the flashlight to see, like what

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is this?

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When I start.

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Coming up and I now I'm on the stomach, I'm

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right even, like I know this now, but I was

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dead even probably right above the belly button. And at

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that point I was at my eyes. It was where

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my eyes were even and I was five eleven, so

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you know, it's about five foot high. And I start

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coming up with the flashlight and I'm going straight up

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where i'd be its chest now. And as I'm getting

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closer to what it would be where a shoulder and

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the neck is, I could see from the light, like

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the edges of the light, I can see where the

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arm was going up to that tree, like I could

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see where the armpit would be there now, and I

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could see as I'm coming up, I could see the

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head starting and as soon as I get this, soon

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as the light starts getting near its face, this thing

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led out a huff.

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That's all all I could say to describe it is.

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It was like and it reminded me of how a

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horse like does that, like when it huffs when it's

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mad like that. It reminded me of that, but it

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did it with such force that and it was so loud.

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That I dropped.

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I had a hatchet in my left hand, the flashlight

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my right hand, and it like hitting me. I felt

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this the error it was, if you want to call

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it error, almost when people describe it as a base,

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the big speaker, when the base comes out and hits you.

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It was like that. It was like I was hit

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with this and.

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I dropped everything. I dropped the flashlight. I just like

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it almost paralyzed me for a second. Like it's and

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my hat. It was with such force. I had a

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hat on backwards and it was one that had the

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snaps on it that you can adjust it, and it

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lifted that hat up off my head. It was that

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much force when and this was all in one more motion.

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I was an athlete then, and I could run very fast,

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and so in one motion as that's happening, I dropped

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my stuff and I'm turning at the same time, grabbing

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my hat off my head, and I take off down

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the path. I'm going back to where we came from,

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and I just left Shane. I didn't even unfortunately, I

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wasn't even thinking about him. I was just thinking about

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getting the heck out of there. I'm running for my

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life because I don't know what I'm going to be. Honestly,

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I didn't know if it was a grizzly bear or

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if it was a bigfoot. I didn't and at that

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point it didn't matter because both of them were bad.

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So I was just trying to get the heck out

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of there. And like I said, as I'm.

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Running, the ridge to the rocks is to the right

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of me, and it goes up and down at different heights.

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You still got to climb up those rocks to get

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over them to get where all these.

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People are at, and that's what I'm trying to get

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back to.

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I run back there as fast as I could, and

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I climb up the rocks to get up there, So

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this way I'm up higher, and at least I thought

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I'd be safe if I was up there, and I

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happened to see the flashlight coming through the woods. I

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guess Shane grabbed a flashlight and chase after me.

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And he comes running back and when he.

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Gets to the rocks, his eyes are big, his eyes

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are really big, and he's going, what was that?

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What was that?

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And I said, I don't know. I said, I don't

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know what it was. And he climbs up on the

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rocks next to me and he's looking in the woods.

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He's shining a flashlight down there, and I'm telling him

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a grizzly bear and he's like, that wasn't a grizzly bear.

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I said, I know. I said, I.

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Don't know, and I'm like and I At that time,

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the internet was still very new. The only reason I

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really went on it was for two reasons, and that

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was to download songs off of a certain thing. I

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won't say it on here, but back then everyone would

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know there was a certain thing that you can download songs.

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They eventually got sued for it, so I won't go

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into that. But we download songs, and I would we

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talk on AOL and that was about all I really

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did on there. I had no idea that there was

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a bfro and I wasn't even It wasn't that I

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didn't believe in Sasquatch. I really thought there there would

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be a possibility that there was a big foot, but

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I never thought in a million years they would be

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in Pennsylvania. But I also knew there was no grizzly bear,

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So to me it was it would have been I

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wouldn't say, just as crazy for there to be a

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grizzly bear than a bigfoot.

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But they're both seeing.

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I knew what I seen, I knew what he's seen

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with me, and it just I couldn't figure out in

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my head what it was.

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And it stayed that way for I'm going to say.

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Sixteen years, seventeen years that I now that I didn't

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know what it was. Now. The next day I confronted

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my uncle about this, and I was telling them what.

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Happened, and he said it was probably a bucket.

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He said, they were yeah, So this way, I know

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it was labor day because he said during rut at

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this time, because he was telling me it was probably

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up on a rock and it probably huffed at you.

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And I said, Matt, this was no deer. I know

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what you know what a deer looks like we gon

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out know whatnot?

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I said. This thing was huge, I said, and.

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I'm putting my head back, you know how high I

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had to put my head back to look up at

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where its head was. And now I didn't see its face,

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and I thank god I didn't, because right when I

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got to where his mouth was, where I can actually

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with the light, the edges of the light started lighting

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its face up.

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Is when it huffed like that.

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It gave that huge huff, and you know, and to

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this day, I wonder how much it would haunt my dreams.

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But I didn't see its face. But nonetheless I knew

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that it was not this thing at arms. I didn't

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see fingers, but I did clearly see in the arm.

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I clearly seeing the outlines of the legs, the torso,

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the arm that was sticking out onto the tree, the shoulders.

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And there was no neck there.

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It's just its head just started right where I expected

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to be a neck.

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But I didn't even know what I was looking at first.

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And although I knew what it was, I just I

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never heard any stories of it being in northeast Pennsylvania.

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I never I never heard of anybody seeing a Bigfoot

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in Pennsylvania or.

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Anything like that. I didn't.

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I read ironically and hopefully we'll get to that. Is

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like I was telling you when I was a kid

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and I happened to see those lights, those orbs. So

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I was looking at a book of I think it's

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forget the exact name of it, it's a blue book,

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and I hear a lot of people reference this book ironically,

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Mysteries of the Unexplained, I think it was called. And

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in this book is where I seen ball lightning, and

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I was thought, man, maybe that's what I seen the

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ball lightning.

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And ironically you.

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Flip over a few pages and here they have a

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whole section on the Patterson Gimlin footage of the film,

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and it shows Patty there. And that is where I

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really started looking into Bigfoot. I'm going to say I

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was a teenager then, thirteen, fourteen years old, so really

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that's all I really knew about Bigfoot. That and Harry

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and Henderson's obviously everyone knew that, but other than.

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That, I didn't have much other information to go off of.

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So for years that's where it sat in the back

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of my mind, and I didn't want to It was

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weird for a while.

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I was afraid.

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I was afraid to be on my quad in the

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woods driving home for a while because I knew that

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there was something out there. I didn't know what it was,

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but I knew there was something out there. I was afraid.

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But little by little that went away because I didn't

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know what it was, and I didn't realize how revolent

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these sightings were, and it just went away, gotten back

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of my mind, and I didn't think about it for

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a long time until I'm going to say maybe seven

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years ago. Eight years ago, I happen to be on

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YouTube and somehow another one of these sites. I don't

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know if I should say their names, but it's a

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chronicle show that happened to do with encounters, and that's

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it happened to pop up.

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Somehow.

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I started listening to it, and I heard this lady

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telling her story, and I'm going, there's other people that

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seeing these things. This isn't just a siting a one

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crossing a road or something like that. This is somebody

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telling exactly that they seen it with their own eyes.

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And she's telling her a whole encounter.

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And so that went on and I'm listening to these

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and all of a sudden one day, I would listen

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to them a lot of times when I would fall asleep.

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I'd like to just listen to them until I fell asleep.

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And I hear a lot of people saying that they

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do that as well. But the one day, I'm sitting

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there with my phone on my chest and it was

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actually a woman telling a story about an encounter. And

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I'll never forget when she said it, huffed at me

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and I sat up. I fight here, I heard it

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somebody else said, and she described it almost exactly the

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way it did it to me. And it was at

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that point that I knew for fact it was that

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was it? Now? Also, I started to find it out

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that there is a lot of sightings in Pennsylvania which

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I did not know, so little by little I started realizing, Frank,

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it was what you thought.

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It was, No doubt it was.

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I knew it wasn't a grizzly, but I just what

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else is brown? And Harryan's down nine feet tall in

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the wilderness. There's two things that I can think of

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at this point and on Pennsylvania, and that's going to

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be a sasquatch, and it's not going to be a

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grizzly in this area. Maybe out in the Pacific Northwest,

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not that way, you's have grizzlies. But there's only one

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thing that it was, and I know what I seen,

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and there's no doubt in my mind that was a sasquatch.

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Now what gets me is I don't know how it

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got there. I don't know were we making noise, We

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weren't trying to be quiet or nothing like that. I

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was he the tree saw going. I guess that would

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possibly make enough noise that I wouldn't hear it walking.

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But it is just so strange when I hear people

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now talk about the paranormal aspect of these things of

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just showing up, and it was like that. It was

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almost as though it was just not there one moment

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and it was there at the next moment. Now there's

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no doubt that with us using that hatchet and hitting

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the tree, that possibly that would if it was anywhere

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in that area, and there could have been more than

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one for all I know, but if it was in

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that area, I could see how it would go. What

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are these guys doing over there? It would sound like

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tree knocks with the hatchet hitting those trees. So I

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think to myself. Maybe that's what drewing in. I don't know,

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but all I know is that it wasn't there when

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it could have been off to the side, because I

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am looking for one thing. I'm looking at the path

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and I'm looking.

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For dead trees.

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That's what I'm looking for, trees on the ground or

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a little trees that we're standing that we could cut down.

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And like I said, these locust trees would They're like

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big sticks sticking out of the ground, twenty feet high.

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They don't want branches on them anymore. No leaves are nothing.

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But they're so strong that they still stand like that,

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and you can push them over. If they're not deep

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in the ground, you just push them right over. But

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they are extremely hard, so they're really great for burning.

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They burn up like they have fuel inside them. So

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that's what we were looking for. So the thing could

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have been to the side of me, it could have

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been behind us. I have no idea, but it was

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as though one moment it wasn't there, and before I

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know it, it.

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Was behind me.

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And it's just crazy how it started shaking the tree

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like almost like I can't believe these guys don't know.

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I'm here or something it was. It's something I'll never forget.

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But now that I know this, now that I know

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that they're here, it makes going camping I wouldn't say impossible,

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But there's times at night when we're cooking food, and

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that's what really scares me when I think about it

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the most is when I'm cooking and I think, oh boy.

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What a something smells this food. I'm not afraid of.

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Black bears, I'm not afraid of anything else like that,

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but the food is what really gets me at night,

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Like the last time I was in the woods. Actually

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that's and I wonder if my uncle felt this too,

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because I felt this feeling like come over me that

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we were being watched, and it was weird that he

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wanted to get out of there right then too, and

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we no sooner. And it was in the winter time,

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so it was as quiet as could be. And this

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whole ridge here has lakes upon it, so we were

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up there on a reservoir, not lakes, but reservoirs.

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There's ponds. There's reservoirs.

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Actually, that entire top of the mountain, that entire ridge

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there has ponds that go throughout it. So if you

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were a sasquatch that was moving from south to north

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or north to south.

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That is exactly the way it would go. It would

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if I was them, That's where I would be up there.

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That's there's water.

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There's even spring water that comes out of that running

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down the mountain in multiple spots. Up there, there's all

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those little ponds that are prevalent with frogs and fish

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and snakes and all the other species of animals that

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are in this area. Anyway, that's that was that encounter,

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and so that's you go ahead and Frankton, ask me

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any questions.

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Absolutely, that is some wild stuff, man, it's really interesting.

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First question about your actual encounter. So you were there

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in about ten feet away, so you of course heard

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the huff. Was there any weird smell in that area

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at the same time.

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No, No, there was no smell. Like I said, there's

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no smell. I had no way of knowing it was there.

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And if it didn't start shaking that tree, I probably

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would have just we would have cut that tree down

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and just walked away from it.

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I did not know it was behind me.

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Yeah, no smell, no way to know. I didn't smell anything,

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not that I remember anyway. Not that I remember. I

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don't remember a smell.

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Another thing that stood out. You said the area was

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really full of a lot of quartz. Is that right?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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And as a matter of fact, I have something right

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in front of me that.

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My buddy goes hiking up there all the time and

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he will dig him out of the rocks and he

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has little jars full of them. Wow.

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Yeah, that's a definite pattern. Yeah, that comes up in

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a lot of these you've heard the interviews on the

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different shows, it seems that quartz does seem to come

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up a lot sometimes, granted, but I would say more

469
00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.319
often than not quartz as well. And it almost looks

470
00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:56.480
like if you're looking at it the area that you

471
00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.640
gave me on the map, it's not too far away

472
00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:02.480
from a lot of different wooded areas, and you have

473
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.000
the different state game lands even some state parks in

474
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:07.839
that area. Right.

475
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.440
Oh, yeah, you can go Like at the time, it

476
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.519
seemed like we're not that deep in the woods, but

477
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:17.160
when you look at it, and now, even back then,

478
00:23:17.559 --> 00:23:21.400
there was a lot more area. There's a lot more woods,

479
00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:27.519
like they had construction had really unfortunately taken away a

480
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:30.079
lot of the forest around here. They keep saying that

481
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.400
they're coal mines and it's mine scarred land, is what

482
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.240
they say. But that's not the case at all. This

483
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:38.839
is the nature will always take over what was it,

484
00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.559
what was hers, and mother nature had already taken back.

485
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.200
You couldn't tell if you walked through there if there

486
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:46.319
was coal underneathlers.

487
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:47.640
It was already.

488
00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:50.359
Even the little ponds that were once yellow when I

489
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:54.759
was a child were actually no longer yellow, and there

490
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.960
was bass in them and fishing them, and people were

491
00:23:57.960 --> 00:23:59.079
able to fish them now.

492
00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:01.160
After I don't know how long it took, but I know.

493
00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:03.759
It was twenty years from when it was yellow to

494
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.480
where they were able to fish. And now unfortunately they're

495
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:11.680
building a warehouses in those same forest and just mowed

496
00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:14.119
all them over, just fill them in, filled upon it in.

497
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:17.519
So that's unfortunate, but that's what happened. But yeah, there

498
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:21.319
is When I look up through the Hazelton area, you

499
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.759
can go for miles and miles without you'd have to

500
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:27.599
cross a road here and there, but you're going to

501
00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:29.279
be in the wilderness for a long time.

502
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:36.839
Absolutely, it is. It's such an interesting area Pennsylvania in

503
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:39.720
general is and I okay, so first off, you said

504
00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:42.759
this was around two thousand to two thousand or two

505
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:44.839
thousand and one to two thousand and twoish around that

506
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:45.640
time period.

507
00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:48.759
Yeah, yeah, right around that time. Yeah. Yeah.

508
00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:53.599
You go driving around that area, and I don't know

509
00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:58.000
if people get what it's like without going to that area.

510
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:01.680
It is very very and there's a lot of very

511
00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.200
I would say, mountainous hills you're having to drive around.

512
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.839
I spent some I actually spent some time in a

513
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:11.319
place called Clark's Summit. It would have been.

514
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:13.759
Oh yeah, the White sat squash up there.

515
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:18.160
Yeah, exactly. This is about the year there's two thousand.

516
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.200
It was right before nine to eleven when I was there.

517
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.680
As you just said, yeah, so Carbondale is in this

518
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:23.599
area too.

519
00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:25.200
And yeah exactly. Yeah.

520
00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:28.680
You have the tail the accounts of the White Bigfoot,

521
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:33.200
and there's actually a video that showed up on YouTube

522
00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.160
and that was all the way back to two thousand

523
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:37.720
and eight, so people can check that out. I'll have

524
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.759
a link to it in the show notes for this too.

525
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.799
But that's not too far away. That's probably what about

526
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:45.400
an hour we're looking at.

527
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:47.960
Yeah, yeah, at the most, at the absolute most, if

528
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.559
you jump on eighty one, eighty one north.

529
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:52.759
You're going to get there and yeah, about an hour

530
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:53.759
forty five minutes.

531
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.000
So we know that there there's other activity going on.

532
00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:01.680
And the Poconos are north of this area, right.

533
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:08.079
No, they're actually southeast. So if you went a little

534
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.279
more south and then yeah, they're southeast. Basically that's exactly

535
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.680
what they are there. We are right at the edge

536
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:15.680
of the Poconos. Really, this is the edge of it.

537
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.519
There's imaginary line. I guess you could say that they

538
00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:20.599
say it this is the Poconos and this isn't. But

539
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.200
I would say coming up to this area right here

540
00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:28.079
is where it basically ends. It doesn't matter to a

541
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:32.839
sasquatch or any other kind of animal, forrest's forest. So yeah,

542
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:34.440
that's right at the edge of the Pocono.

543
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.759
Some wild stuff also really like that. This is something

544
00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:40.960
I was going to ask you about if you mentioned

545
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.519
there's really no neck, which you know, you didn't get

546
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:45.799
to see a face, but the fact that you didn't

547
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.759
really see a neck, that's a huge indicator for sure.

548
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.240
Did you notice how long the hair was. Did you

549
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.319
get to see that at all? Like was it hanging down?

550
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.960
Well not the arms?

551
00:26:58.000 --> 00:26:59.559
Yeah, I could tell you that the hair on the

552
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:04.599
arms was about that was hanging was about three inches.

553
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.000
I'm gonna say it was hanging off. It's off its forearm,

554
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:12.440
and I could see its forearms. I didn't know at

555
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.000
the time it was a forearm until until now when

556
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.880
I'm looking back in my head and I.

557
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:18.839
Go, oh, my goodness, that was its forearm.

558
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.160
There was its upper arm, is bicep there because and

559
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:24.319
it got bigger, just like a tree would went and

560
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.279
it just slowly got bigger. And I'm like, but as

561
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.880
it hit its torso, it went from being longer longer,

562
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.240
and then it went and got shorter. And then all

563
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.440
of a sudden, I my light is directly in its torso,

564
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:39.680
and it was.

565
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:44.079
There was man, it's heart.

566
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.279
It was like it was grayish gray, like almost like

567
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:50.119
a dry mud would turn in that area. It turns

568
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.960
like a grayish color. And I swear that there was dirt.

569
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.759
There was like dry mud there with the hair too.

570
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.640
And I can't tell you how long I was, but

571
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.799
I'm guessing it was probably about the same length, about

572
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:04.920
two to three inches.

573
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:06.920
It was all about the same length.

574
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.400
It was just it wasn't I was easier to see

575
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:12.400
how long that was because the way it was hanging

576
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:16.160
off the arm bases versus miss hanging off its chest

577
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.559
on its stomach. So I'm just going by about two

578
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:20.519
to three inches, I'd.

579
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:27.680
Say, gotcha. Have you ever had a conversation with Shane

580
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:33.799
asking specifically, okay, when I ran away from you, what like,

581
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.519
what did you notice or what kind of things happened

582
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.079
up there before you started running too?

583
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:45.480
Yeah? Yeah, actually, but he basically told me that the

584
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:46.960
flashlight was on the ground.

585
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:48.960
He just grabbed that flashlight and was.

586
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:53.119
Right behind me, and he was only about maybe three

587
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.319
seconds behind me, and I'm fast, I'm not that fast.

588
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.720
It was maybe through he grabbed that flashlight. He actually

589
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.480
left the tresaw right where it was, and the hatchet

590
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:02.400
stayed where it was too.

591
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:05.839
So that's how I went. I didn't go the next day.

592
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.880
I went like it had been two or three days later,

593
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:13.279
because honestly, I wasn't in a hurry to get back there.

594
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.279
I wanted to, but I was scared. I know that

595
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.759
it was something that shouldn't have been there, whether it

596
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:24.759
have been a grizzly bear or what I really thought

597
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.680
it was a sasquatch. It was just that in my mind,

598
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:32.960
I'm saying both of them are unlikely. But what would

599
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.720
be most likely. I'm saying it would have to be there.

600
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:37.720
But what would a Gridley bear be doing here? I'm

601
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.759
going to myself and I'm thinking, and if sasquatch are real,

602
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.079
if they're a real thing, it would only be out

603
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:45.279
the Pacific Northwest. I had never even heard about them

604
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.960
being in Pennsylvania. So that's where my head was at

605
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.279
that time. And as far as my uncle's theory that

606
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:53.839
I had been a buck, that's one of the reasons

607
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:55.559
I want to go back there. One I needed to

608
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.480
get my treesaw and get the hatchet. But there was

609
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:04.079
no rocks anywhere in that area. And the actual rock

610
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.920
ledge that I'm talking about, the white rocks that is there,

611
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.880
that was about thirty or forty yards at the time.

612
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.079
It was to my left up the hill to my left,

613
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:17.359
and the house is the road was down to my right,

614
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.279
and there's a stop sign that's right there, and I

615
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.160
could see that street light.

616
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.400
There's a streetlight right there.

617
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.920
I was able to see that street light through the woods,

618
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.119
through the trees. So that's how I knew how we

619
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.559
were getting close, and I wasn't We weren't going to

620
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.240
go any closer to the road or anything looking for wood,

621
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.559
because that's where we're like, oh my goodness, we already

622
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:37.119
came this far.

623
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:38.519
We're almost near the road.

624
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.559
So that was the last tree we were getting, and

625
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:44.319
then we were gonna walk back and collect what we

626
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:47.279
sat down next to the path and grab all that

627
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.200
wood and go back, which we never ended up getting

628
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:50.559
that wood.

629
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.119
Excuse me of getting it, because it didn't.

630
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:53.640
Matter at that point.

631
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:54.640
I ran right past it.

632
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.960
How I did not fall or trip over something is

633
00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:58.440
beyond me.

634
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.440
I have no idea how I got through and.

635
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.799
Got up to that spot and ran up that path

636
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.079
without falling, without a flashlight, but.

637
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:06.960
Somehow I did it.

638
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.319
But like I said, Shane was right behind me by

639
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.839
the time I got there and climbed up those rocks

640
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.440
real quick. And it didn't take long and maybe a

641
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.359
second for me to hop up there fast. Like I said,

642
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.640
I was very agile, in really good shape. I played football,

643
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.240
I was on track and whatnot, so it wasn't much

644
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.599
for me to jump on that rock and climb up

645
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.279
on top of there. And it was only about fifteen

646
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.680
or twenty feet high really, that little mound of rocks

647
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.039
that's there on that side anyway, it's not that in

648
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.079
that area right there, it wasn't bad at all. That's

649
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.480
why people would go ahead and climb over that. And

650
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.200
then it was flat on the other side. And it's

651
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.319
still there and people still go up there, I imagine,

652
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.000
but I believe they have quad pats up there now.

653
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.000
At that time, you had a walk up there. But

654
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:53.839
it was the lookout. We called it the lookout, and

655
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.559
it was enough room for either it's flat, there's enough

656
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.960
room to put a tent or maybe you can't even

657
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.599
probably put two or three tenths there. But and like

658
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.319
I said, they had a big fire pit, and you

659
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.000
can see the entire Wyoming Valley that's a Loser and county.

660
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.440
You can see everything. So you're overlooking Nanacoke and Hannover Township.

661
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.960
But you could see the lights all the way up.

662
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:16.680
Actually I could see the lights all the way up

663
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.480
to Carbondale. From there, you could see Montage Mountain where

664
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.279
they have the ski resort up there, so you can

665
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.640
see you're up so high and there's nothing. And that's

666
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.160
why we would go up there. And there was other experiences,

667
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.119
other things that happened there. If you want me to

668
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.119
whatever you want. If you want me to go into that,

669
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.279
you just let me know.

670
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.200
Yeah, before we do. I took a quick look at

671
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:41.440
the sighting map. I have just to refresh my memory

672
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.559
over on the website Bigfoot Society podcast dot com, and

673
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:50.079
I actually have taken there's a few episodes about the

674
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:54.559
Poconos and this is so this is really interesting. One

675
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:56.960
was a guy who saw what looked like a big

676
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.799
gorilla in the woods near his new house, So that

677
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.720
was in the Poconos around two thousand and two. And

678
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.720
another guy said he saw an eight and a half

679
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:13.880
foot tall black bigfoot across the highway in fall two

680
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.200
thousand and one, and he said there are other multiple

681
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.599
reports from people in the same week, so fall two

682
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.359
thousand and one, two thousand and two. That kind of

683
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.559
lines up with your time frame as well. Yeah, too

684
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.079
far away from the area that we're talking about, so

685
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.920
there could have been something interesting going on in that

686
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:37.640
time period down there. And I screaming the post birds

687
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:39.680
and the Poconos for sure.

688
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.519
But yeah, yeah, it could have been that. One of

689
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.759
one of the theories is that they migrate and when

690
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.880
you look into where the berries would be, where they'd

691
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.200
be ripe, and where they might be at that time,

692
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.079
whether they were north and they're going to head south.

693
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.599
That's if they're following the birds. Possibly at the time

694
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.160
where the birds start heading south in this area, you'll

695
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.119
see the geese. That's when we know that winter's coming.

696
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.519
The calendar can say one thing, but when you see

697
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.840
the geese coming over your head and start they have

698
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.719
a nice v that they make and they start heading south.

699
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.239
When you see them going south, that's when you know

700
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.079
that fall is here and the cold weather's coming. Look

701
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.440
at that. They might have done the same thing, and

702
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:25.360
that's why they might have been in this whole area

703
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:26.400
at that time.

704
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:28.360
So who knows.

705
00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:33.960
Absolutely. You mentioned before the show started that you've also

706
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.639
had some other things happen actually earlier in life that

707
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.320
once you started to look back at your memories, Oh,

708
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.960
there's some other interesting stuff that happens. You mind sharing

709
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:47.880
about that as well.

710
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.039
No, absolutely, I'll tell you what.

711
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.199
There's this one before and then there is some other

712
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:55.480
things I'd like to get into.

713
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:56.880
But we'll start.

714
00:34:56.920 --> 00:35:00.239
When I was a child and I lived actually in

715
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:03.639
scrant it was more towards Scranton and the music, the

716
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.079
music area, which is it's just going up up towards

717
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.159
Scranton going north, was a park. It was called Rocky

718
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.639
Glenn Park and at one time it was a glenn.

719
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:17.079
They had it's a pond. It was a lake, but

720
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.360
it's really it's barely a lake. It was a reservoir.

721
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.840
Really had a dam there and they dammed it up

722
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.559
and he turned it into a reservoir. So it's basically

723
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.079
just a big pond for those who don't know. But

724
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.960
they created eventually they created a musement park around this

725
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.960
and so my father was he is an artist to

726
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.559
this day. Obviously if you're an artist, you know, being

727
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.119
an artist. He would do artwork for them, and they

728
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.440
had at the time, they had a fun house that

729
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:46.199
he would have to do.

730
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.840
They had a carousel that.

731
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:50.920
They were getting horses in that needed to be painted

732
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:56.079
and restored, and so there was there was work every

733
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.639
day for him up there. So eventually, instead of him

734
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:04.400
making it trip from this area of Wolfsparre up to Scranton,

735
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:05.800
the owner.

736
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:09.639
Said to my father, whose name is Frank.

737
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.159
Also, why don't you just move in the house and back, Frank,

738
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:13.760
we have this house open. Why don't you just move

739
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:15.880
in there with your family and you could come to

740
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:17.239
work every day and you'll be there.

741
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:18.760
And that's what we ended up doing.

742
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:24.440
So for the first six years of my life, I

743
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:28.800
was lucky enough to actually live with an amusement park

744
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.719
in my front yard. And this is when the park

745
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:33.159
was not.

746
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:35.079
Opened.

747
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:40.039
We would literally have to unlock the main gate to

748
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:43.599
drive into the park and drive our car. You're going

749
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.599
right past to Spider, right past all these rides, and

750
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:51.159
then you go there's a little tunnel type thing that

751
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:54.920
you go underneath the roller coaster into the picnic area

752
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.639
that's in the back, and you're passing a bunch of

753
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:02.039
pavilions that are back there that had you know, pickning

754
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:06.199
tables under there, and the last pavilion served food back there.

755
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.599
And after that pavilion, the road ended right at our house.

756
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.280
And that house was the chalet that back in the

757
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.440
day in the forties fifties, and it could have been

758
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.039
before that, but I know it was in the forties

759
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.760
and fifties when they were doing Old West. They used

760
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.719
to call it ghost Town at the Glen and they

761
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.679
had actors that they would put up in that house,

762
00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:31.199
that chalet. They would go ahead and they would stay

763
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.159
there throughout the season and then they would act and

764
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.239
do their show and whatnot, and at the end of

765
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.760
the season they would go back to wherever their home

766
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.719
was throughout the country of the world.

767
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:42.320
I don't know, but once.

768
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.639
That stopped, they needed it was the house was empty,

769
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.480
so we were lucky enough to live there. So with

770
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:51.880
that being said, we had again were in the woods.

771
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:59.239
There's a lot of woods there and there is a lake, stream,

772
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.920
spring water and what not. And we had two dogs

773
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:06.800
that I thought they were just incredible hunters because they

774
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.519
would always come back with deer legs. Now, once in

775
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.599
a while they would catch a duck and my father

776
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:12.519
would be very upset.

777
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:13.679
My father was not a hunter.

778
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.360
I got hunting from my uncle, but my father'd be

779
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.400
really upset at them for chasing down animals. But they

780
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.199
don't know their animals too. They would do their hunting themselves.

781
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.159
But anyway, they would always come home with deer legs,

782
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.400
and I thought that they were just exceptional hunters and

783
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.239
they were running deer down. But as I got older

784
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:35.440
and I started looking into this, or at least thinking back,

785
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:38.320
I don't know where. I don't know where they were

786
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.639
getting all these deer legs from, but they'd becoming back

787
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:44.239
with parts to deer, deer skulls and whatnot quite a bit.

788
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.840
So yeah, I could have been coyotes. But this is

789
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:50.920
the other thing that makes me think. And I didn't

790
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:54.159
get to tell you this, and for anybody that's offended,

791
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:57.480
I apologize, but I got to tell you exactly how

792
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:03.519
it went and what was thought. So after this, I

793
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:05.599
can maybe send you a picture of the house that

794
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.360
I got. It's not a very good picture, but it'll

795
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:11.400
show you that the windows were about six feet high.

796
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.440
That's where the windows started at the bottom of the

797
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.199
windows at this shellet, this house. And so with that

798
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:22.159
being said that you know that now there was times

799
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.280
when now there was people, there'd be people into pavilion,

800
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.599
so we'd have people that would know we lived back there.

801
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.039
They knew there was a house there, and the unfortunately

802
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:35.119
we got robbed a few times also when we weren't there, thankfully,

803
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.280
And there was one time that somebody had broke in

804
00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:43.079
and actually assault that knocked my mother out cooled.

805
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:43.960
And they just left.

806
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.320
I didn't I guess they didn't expect anybody to be there,

807
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:48.719
and they had punched her in the face and then left,

808
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.920
and I don't know who it was or what. But

809
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.159
that's one thing that happened, and my father had come

810
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.920
home and founded there. So my point is that there

811
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.719
was people that would be up there at times, and

812
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.880
so my mother is there with my aunt Ruthie, which

813
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.400
is her sister, and all of a sudden they would

814
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:15.320
see somebody standing outside looking through the window, and they

815
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.000
thought that they didn't even take they didn't take in

816
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:22.760
the consideration that for somebody to be standing out there

817
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.840
and have their head up that high to be looking

818
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:27.519
in a window, they would have to be about eight

819
00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:31.360
foot tall, and they didn't think about that never. They

820
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.400
were just afraid that there's somebody out there and they

821
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.000
could see that somebody's looking in a window and then

822
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:38.639
the next thing, you know, the person would be gone.

823
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:43.360
So that's one thing that happened there, which I heard

824
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.159
on other shows that these people that are out in

825
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:50.239
the country, they would similar things would happen. And so

826
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.679
with that being said, then we have the day I

827
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:58.840
wake up on Easter and I go outside and I'm thinking,

828
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:02.880
I I thought I found the tracks of the Easter Bunny,

829
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:08.760
because there was huge tracks in the dirt that were

830
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:15.559
big human footprints, very large sixteen to eighteen inches long

831
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.320
and about eight inches wide eight to ten inches wide,

832
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:22.360
and it in my head, I'm thinking about the Easter

833
00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.320
bunny that you take pictures with and that they have

834
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.280
these big feet. So it had and it was Easter morning.

835
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.679
I'm thinking the Easter Bunny. These are the Easter Bunny's tracks.

836
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:32.960
My cousins end up coming because like I said, it's Easter,

837
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:36.719
it's a holiday. They come up and here I am.

838
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:39.800
We're trying to tell my uncle and my father and that,

839
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.360
and they're going, yeah, sure it is. Of course they don't.

840
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.880
We're just kids and they don't realize what we actually see.

841
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.360
And I didn't realize it either. That's what it was until,

842
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:50.800
like I said, looking back on.

843
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:52.880
It now, I'm going, oh my goodness, this stuff.

844
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.920
It's all adding up to the fact that there's a

845
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.360
good possibility that these things were out there then. And

846
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:03.159
then what happened was the one night me and my

847
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:09.000
sister Melissa were and she doesn't remember this. Unfortunately, she

848
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.039
did years ago when I asked her when we were

849
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:14.599
growing up, but at this point an adulthood, she doesn't remember.

850
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:19.920
But we were sitting watching TV and where kids, we

851
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.679
were sitting on the floor, and the TV was in

852
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.480
front of us, a couple feet in front of us,

853
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:29.480
and to our left was the windows, and out there.

854
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:32.239
Out to that left there is where the lake would be.

855
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.159
The reservoir was down through the woods there, and it

856
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.239
was a really bad lightning storm that we used to

857
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:42.880
get up there, and all of a sudden, it was.

858
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:46.320
It was so crazy even to think about it right now.

859
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.800
These two balls of light, one was orange and one

860
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.199
was green. And the best way I can describe them

861
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.760
is they were just side the softballs and I seen

862
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.360
something like them once. That was it looks like it's

863
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:03.800
the ball that I seen that it would be something

864
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.400
that you would see it like Spencer's gifts at the

865
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.639
mall or something like that. I don't know, but it's

866
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:11.800
a ball that lights up that looks like it has

867
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:16.519
like a silvery like fluid inside of it. This these

868
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.519
things looked like they were orange and green, and they were.

869
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:22.559
It was a light. It was a clear it was

870
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:24.400
I was close enough to see that it was a

871
00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:25.800
ball that I could see.

872
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:26.480
The outline of it.

873
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.599
And and then it only gave out enough light that

874
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.440
it wasn't gonna light everything up around it. It wasn't

875
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.679
like it wasn't like my walls and my house lit up,

876
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:39.519
or it even put light on the ground. It was

877
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:43.199
just around, just that little bit of light that was around.

878
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:44.840
And the one was orange and.

879
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:45.639
The one was green.

880
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:50.920
And as they came through the window, and the window

881
00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:52.320
wasn't open, by the way, it was shut.

882
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:54.760
As they came through the window, they.

883
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.079
Like danced with each other. I'm gonna say it was

884
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.400
as if they were playing with each other, like as

885
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.840
they floated through they went the one went from the

886
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:05.159
left to the right and the other one went right

887
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:07.960
to left underneath it, and then they went back again

888
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:09.719
to where they were at. And then they did like

889
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:13.440
this almost like airplanes, like the way the airplanes kind

890
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.880
of circle around each other and they do a barrel roll.

891
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.920
They did like this barrel roll with each other.

892
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:23.920
And then at that point they're going through our doorway

893
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.679
and they went right out right through the front door.

894
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:28.880
And that was it.

895
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.119
They were there one minute and gone the next, and

896
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:35.079
that was it. Out of my life forever. But that's

897
00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:37.280
what happened out there. And little did I know that.

898
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:41.719
Now we come years later and you have encounter after

899
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.239
encounter that they're saying that they see these orbs through

900
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.119
the woods and they tie them to Sasquatch sightings. And

901
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.760
I never ever would have put two and two together

902
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:55.800
that I had not have listened to all these encounters

903
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.000
and just went, oh, my goodness. I thought it was

904
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.400
some sort of ball lightning, is what I thought, because

905
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.360
I told a couple of people about it growing up,

906
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.719
and someone suggested that and that's how I got into

907
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:09.199
looking at the in the book and Mysteries of the Unknown,

908
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:12.559
and there's a little there's a little section of ball

909
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.039
lighting in there that it talks about it, and it

910
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:18.400
even shows like a little illustration that somebody drew. So

911
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:21.519
that was really neat. But that's what happened up there

912
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.360
in Rocky Glenn when I was a child. But what's

913
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.280
more interesting is what happened back in the area here

914
00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.199
in Wookes Barre in these woods here close to where

915
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:36.280
I had the sighting the encounter, because there was something

916
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.000
that happened one night that was absolutely it was just

917
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.559
it was it's very scary if you ask me. So

918
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.880
we would go up there and we would camp at

919
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.679
that spot I was telling you about, and there was

920
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.800
one night that the guys there was some work going

921
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:55.840
on out there and they would still they were taking

922
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.920
the silt from the coal, and they were they found

923
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.079
the way to get money for the silk one way

924
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:03.639
or another. It was at the time when they were

925
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.360
when coal was Entracy Cole was very big in this area.

926
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.920
They the silt was just a byproduct that they weren't

927
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:10.840
worried about.

928
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.079
But they found a way to use it and to

929
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:13.920
make money from it.

930
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.480
So all of a sudden they start working at these

931
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:19.559
places out in the woods, and I guess these guys

932
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.159
there were some people that would go and mess with

933
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.320
their equipment. So they would get upset and block the

934
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:27.679
paths off with their bulldozers.

935
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:31.039
And so they would knock trees down, and then we.

936
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.199
Would have to come up there and take a chainsaw

937
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.159
and cut the tree up and open the path back up.

938
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:37.599
And this was something that went on.

939
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.000
Back and forth. It was like a little war between us.

940
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.239
The one weekend we ended up doing this, and I

941
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.840
remember me and my buddy Mark, we had to hook

942
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.159
chains to these big stumps to get them out of

943
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:50.760
the to get them out of the way once we

944
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.639
cut the tree up, because the stumps often had their

945
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.880
roots connected to them, and we would have to through

946
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.519
using a snatch blox and using chains.

947
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:03.440
And what not to move these big stumps off the road.

948
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.360
And one night we ended up coming into the woods

949
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.280
and we'd go back there, and there were so many

950
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.760
of us that would go back, and we were kids

951
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:17.360
that grew up in rural in rural Pennsylvania. So what

952
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:18.880
we did is we went in the woods. We rode

953
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.519
dirt bikes or row quads. We did lots of camping,

954
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.360
and like the other teenagers, we had parties around bonfire.

955
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:29.000
And at this time I was heck, I.

956
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.880
Was probably twenty one actually, and my cousin was coming

957
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:34.559
up and we got there only about half an hour

958
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.880
before they did, and everything was fine. There was a

959
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.400
bunch of people there and they came up late and

960
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.920
hear all those log all those stumps and such were

961
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.960
pushed in back in the path. They were all back

962
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.599
in that road blocking it. So they had to go

963
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:54.000
ahead and get them back off of there, and they

964
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.719
did it. But that's one thing that happened that was weird,

965
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:00.159
but it was nothing compared to this next thing. So

966
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:05.920
here there's a track bed that goes it's right in

967
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.039
that area there and it goes all the way up

968
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:11.800
to Alden Mountain, which is it's basically right down below

969
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.840
that ledge of white rocks where you're looking at that

970
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.360
map there, And if you could see where the ledge

971
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:19.840
of rocks are, there is a track bed that goes.

972
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.159
If you look good enough, you'll see a line through

973
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.199
the woods of trees. You can see it through there,

974
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:28.199
and that's where the track bed is. You'll see multiple

975
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:31.159
of them that are through the woods there. So at

976
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:33.880
the bottom trying to explain it the best I could,

977
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.320
but it's close to where I had this sighting at.

978
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.239
We'll just put it that way.

979
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.760
And the track bed went it was about three miles

980
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:44.119
long from the one end where we went in and

981
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.039
we got onto the track bed. And at this when

982
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:51.920
I say track bed, all they ripped all the what

983
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:53.920
do you call it, the track the pieces of wood,

984
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.320
They ripped all the ties, the railroad ties off at

985
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:59.360
air and they took all the metal and they recycled

986
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.760
it all years ago when they stopped using those railroads there.

987
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:06.039
So what it ended up doing was making roads in

988
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.840
the woods for us to drive down, and that's where

989
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.400
we would drive trucks and ACKed up trucks and whatnot.

990
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:13.679
So what happened is the one night me and my

991
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:15.880
buddy Mark were in the woods. We wanted to go

992
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.639
for a ride in the woods, and we didn't realize

993
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.400
how late it was getting, but we were out there

994
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.119
a lot longer than we should have been. But we

995
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.039
were young kids and that's what.

996
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:25.480
We were doing.

997
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.760
We were four wheeling in the woods, and we had

998
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:28.800
a couple of beers with us.

999
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:30.519
I think at twelve had we had a couple of beers.

1000
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.480
So we're drinking a little bit at a time, and

1001
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:34.800
we're stopping and we're on this track bed and he

1002
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.639
had a transfer case he had put in his jeep

1003
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.440
that was you can walk next to his jeep. It

1004
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.159
was geared so low and he would just put it

1005
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.159
in that gear and it would just go really slow

1006
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:48.719
and we would just sit there and listen to music

1007
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:51.559
and talk and we would stop every once in a while.

1008
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.159
At We had all different little places that we would

1009
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.800
stop at. One of them was a small little reservoir

1010
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.239
that was there, which unfortunately they is buried now, it's

1011
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:04.039
no longer there. It was a dam that we'd stop

1012
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.719
there and we're drinking. So as we're drinking, we would

1013
00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:09.559
have to stop and use the bathroom, and so we're

1014
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.320
getting out. Granted, this is an old CJ five jeep.

1015
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:14.480
It was from the seventies. I think that was a

1016
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:17.880
seventies six maybe, but it didn't have no top and

1017
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:20.960
no doors on it. Okay, but summertime, we're out in

1018
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.280
the open there, we're having a good time, and we

1019
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:26.800
live like I'm the stick. So it's not like when

1020
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.159
we get out of the woods, our house is right there.

1021
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.360
We don't have to drive on the roads far or

1022
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:34.400
nothing like that. We could basically take the roads right

1023
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.440
to the back alley and we're home. So that's why

1024
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.000
when I'm talking about this, we're out in the woods

1025
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:42.480
drinking and driving. We're going slow. And that's sense, not

1026
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:44.039
that I can don't it in any way. I'm just

1027
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:47.239
that's what was going on. So AnyWho, like I said,

1028
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.360
we're getting out here and there, and then we're getting

1029
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.880
back in a jeep. And as we got to the

1030
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:56.400
end of the road, we turned around because we reached

1031
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.119
the furthest point that you can go, and we couldn't

1032
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:03.719
believe it that here the sun was coming up, and

1033
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:07.719
I said, oh my goodness, Mark, we're we're gonna be

1034
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.519
in trouble. I said, because at that time we both

1035
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:13.159
worked with my uncle Matt, and we knew that we

1036
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.480
had work in just a few hours. And here we

1037
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.239
were up all night and he was gonna kill us.

1038
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:19.199
We're like, oh, he's gonna he's gonna kill us. So

1039
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.159
because the sun is coming up now we can see

1040
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:26.000
behind us. We didn't know because we were going I

1041
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.480
guess you could say west, and the sun's coming up

1042
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.280
in the east behind us. So as we turn around,

1043
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.400
now we see that the sun's coming up and the

1044
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.239
sky is but sun isn't even up yet, but the

1045
00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:37.320
sky is light, it's blue, it's dawn.

1046
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:40.360
And we start.

1047
00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:43.320
Going back, and all of a sudden, as soon as

1048
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.000
we went around this one little bend, we didn't go

1049
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:51.880
but fifty yards, and here is all the garbage that

1050
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.639
was off the side of the road that was in

1051
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:56.519
the woods, stuff that you couldn't see.

1052
00:51:56.639 --> 00:52:00.400
I knew it was there from going down driving there.

1053
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.159
Throughout the years, you would see what they used to

1054
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.480
have beer balls that were a plastic balls that were

1055
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:08.760
filled with beer back in the day, and they would

1056
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:10.840
get them in and they would end up shooting them with

1057
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.239
guns and stuff. And this used to be called the

1058
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:17.000
strip ends and strip mining, so people would throw garbage

1059
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.159
back there. They would dump all kinds of stuff from

1060
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:21.519
kid toys. There would be dolls on the side of

1061
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.440
the road and stuff, but most of it would be

1062
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:27.039
pushed to a side and covered with leaves. And now

1063
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:30.280
all of a sudden, this stuff is in the road

1064
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.960
and there's these little trees, saplings.

1065
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.880
Most of them were not big, like, not thick.

1066
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.119
I could have pushed these trees overs when I'm getting

1067
00:52:40.119 --> 00:52:45.000
at but they were pushed across the path like bent over.

1068
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:47.400
If there was dead ones there, they were pulled into

1069
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:52.840
the path. Any kind of rubbish, whether it was garbage

1070
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:55.920
or cans or whatever, it was in the road.

1071
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.800
Now and he stops.

1072
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:03.639
We both look at each other in unison and say

1073
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:05.000
what did that?

1074
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:07.599
We're like, where did that come from?

1075
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:12.079
And both of us are going all of a sudden,

1076
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:16.920
it's becoming what's hitting us. Something was behind us this

1077
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.480
whole time. Something's out here with us. And I don't

1078
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:25.159
know what it is, but it isn't some animal that

1079
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:28.639
doesn't know what it's doing. It's something that put that

1080
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:33.239
stuff there. And in my head, we both look at

1081
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.519
each other and I said, I'm not getting out to

1082
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.079
move it. He said, I'm not getting out to move

1083
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.519
it either. So he takes that thing out of that

1084
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.119
little gear and he's Now we're in just normal two

1085
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.519
wheel drive where we can go faster. And we just

1086
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:50.000
ran this stuff right over Randy's little twigs and sticks

1087
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.039
over and these little trees, and I have myself like

1088
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:55.960
tucked into the jeep and he does also, because now

1089
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:59.360
these trees are like pushed into the path and we're

1090
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:04.039
getting hit with them, the jeeps getting scratched. But I

1091
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.360
am not stop, and we're not stopping to get this

1092
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.159
stuff off the road because we don't have any weapons

1093
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.199
or nothing. We might have had pocket nice with us.

1094
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:14.880
But what did this and what got scarier is this

1095
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:20.000
As we're coming back, it didn't stop. It was like

1096
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:24.079
that the whole way back, the whole three miles. There

1097
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:26.679
was stuff pulled out of the woods and little trees

1098
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.840
pulled over, and I mean there was like old broken

1099
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:30.599
tonka trucks.

1100
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:33.599
I remember, all kind of crazy.

1101
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.760
Stuff that was just tossed to a side, that was

1102
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.440
buried in those leaves, was now in the road, in

1103
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.400
the middle of that track bed. And we're going it's

1104
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.920
becoming scarier and scarier to go. This thing, whatever it

1105
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.760
was behind us all night. It was back there the

1106
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.679
whole time doing this, and we didn't hear it. We

1107
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.639
had music playing a little bit. We have no top

1108
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:55.679
on this jeep, we have no doors on it, so

1109
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.760
there's no protection or coverage from anything, and something's out

1110
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:01.519
there with us the whole time. And we don't know

1111
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:03.960
what it was. And I'm not saying it was a sasquatch,

1112
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.480
but whether it was a human, I don't know what

1113
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.119
it was. But if it was a human, why would

1114
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.320
somebody go ahead and do that knowing we can run

1115
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:16.719
that stuff over. That doesn't make any sense. And what

1116
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:18.079
did it? I don't know.

1117
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:21.360
I don't know, but it is a very scary thing,

1118
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:23.280
and it still to this day.

1119
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.039
We were talking about it not too long ago, me

1120
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.199
and Mark, and he said, man, the hair on my

1121
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.079
arm standing up. He said, I'm just thinking about that.

1122
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:33.840
That was really crazy. I don't know, I don't know

1123
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:36.840
what did that. There was another time that we were

1124
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.239
out there looking for a bunch of our friends and

1125
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:41.639
we said, oh, there's the fire there. They are over there.

1126
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:43.760
We can see them down through the woods. We were

1127
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:44.639
up on a little on.

1128
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.599
This little knoll, so we could see the fire, and

1129
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:50.360
so we hop back in the truck and we're heading

1130
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:54.119
over there and we go down that path and the

1131
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.320
fire's not there, and we're going where the fire go.

1132
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.639
This was a nice big fire and.

1133
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.599
We can see it from two or three hundred yards

1134
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:06.880
away through the trees and stuff, and all of a sudden,

1135
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:09.239
the fire's gone. And we're like, I know it was here,

1136
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:12.559
And we hear this laugh come out of the woods

1137
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.599
that it was like the blur Witch was down there

1138
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:17.159
or something.

1139
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.280
It was a hideous, just.

1140
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:25.719
Scary laugh, like something I'd never heard before and I

1141
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:26.920
never want to hear it again.

1142
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.159
That it just echoed throughout the woods.

1143
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:33.480
And we jumped in the truck and we got the

1144
00:56:33.519 --> 00:56:34.719
heck out of there, and that was that.

1145
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:36.239
That was a totally different time.

1146
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.360
But there is some weird stuff that happened out there

1147
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.440
in those woods. And this is all the same. This

1148
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.760
is all around the fame exact time. Okay, This is

1149
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.119
like that might have happened the next summer. Okay, So

1150
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.159
this isn't like years apart. This is all around. This

1151
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:54.840
is between like two thousand and one and two thousand

1152
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:57.079
and three to two thousand and four. This is all

1153
00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:59.760
in that area that this stuff is happening. There was

1154
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.079
an other time we thought a bear. We were on

1155
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:05.039
top of those white rocks there, and we thought there

1156
00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:09.239
was about twelve of us maybe, and we would take hikes.

1157
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:09.960
We were younger.

1158
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.800
We were teenagers at this time, so I was probably

1159
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:16.519
eighteen and like I said, two thousand, it would have

1160
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:20.239
been probably, and we would take hikes and we go

1161
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:22.920
up on those rocks because it was a beautiful view,

1162
00:57:23.519 --> 00:57:26.039
and we go up there to do things that teenagers do.

1163
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:29.400
Now those things are legal throughout most of the United States,

1164
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.599
but back then they weren't. Here. We thought there was

1165
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:36.599
a bear down in the woods there, because it clearly

1166
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.760
sounded like a bear. The trees are moving back and forth.

1167
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.800
But this bear would not leave no matter we're yelling,

1168
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:47.119
we're throwing rocks at it. It just keeps circling around us.

1169
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.440
It just keeps going. Now, it couldn't go all the

1170
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:51.760
way around us, because the white rocks that we were on,

1171
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.599
this certain area that we were on there, it went

1172
00:57:55.760 --> 00:57:58.079
down to where it went like the rocks in some

1173
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:01.159
parts would go down like underneath the earth to where

1174
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.519
it be it would be dirt and ground and stuff

1175
00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:06.079
again in trees, and then they'd come back up out

1176
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:09.320
of the ground again one hundred yards over, so we

1177
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.400
were at like the edge of them. So this thing

1178
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.119
was circling us from like two o'clock if I were

1179
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:18.239
looking at a clock, from like two o'clock to four o'clock.

1180
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.960
It was just going back and forth through the trees.

1181
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.159
And you can see the trees betting mowed over and

1182
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:27.719
going back and forth, and they're shaking and we're throwing

1183
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:31.320
whatever we can get in our hands, because, like I said,

1184
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:33.320
we thought at the time that it was a bear,

1185
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:36.119
but as we were there, it didn't make any sense

1186
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:38.280
that this bear wasn't leaving, It wasn't a running from

1187
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:41.519
us or nothing. So what that was I'll never know,

1188
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:43.400
but it happened.

1189
00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:44.760
Like I said, there was.

1190
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.639
A lot of weird stuff that happened out there during

1191
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.719
those couple of years, and for all I know, that

1192
00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:52.960
could have been a sasquatch also, I don't know, but

1193
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:55.719
it was definitely some really weird stuff.

1194
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:59.679
Wow that when you put that all together, that is

1195
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.119
you're right, that's some weird stuff. And if you look

1196
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:06.199
on the map that you gave me, it looks like

1197
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.800
there's houses up there now, and it almost makes me

1198
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:12.480
wonder if the people that live up there are having

1199
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:13.639
weird stuff happen too.

1200
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:18.360
I could tell you, all right, I can tell you something, and.

1201
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:20.079
This will be the last thing that I won't go

1202
00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:21.800
too far, I know, because I know we're getting close

1203
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.639
to the anger. But if you look at that what

1204
00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:26.920
I sent you there, you will see the reservoir that

1205
00:59:26.960 --> 00:59:29.639
I'm talking about is off to the left there. It's

1206
00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:31.800
all the way down to the left, and you can

1207
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.039
see you can see the strip of white rocks. You

1208
00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.519
can see the whole little ledge of white rocks that

1209
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:38.960
I'm talking about, uh huh. And it goes they go

1210
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.199
all the way down and that right there is called

1211
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.079
the Alden Reservoir. And if you look through the woods

1212
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:48.719
there you can see where it goes to a little

1213
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:51.679
point where those white rocks are, and you'll see it

1214
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:54.119
looks like a path that goes down to a field.

1215
00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.920
And down there is where the smaller reservoir was that

1216
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.679
I said we would stop at dead dam down there,

1217
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:02.599
and just stopped there.

1218
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:03.880
Years ago.

1219
01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.639
It used to be gorgeous. It used to have it

1220
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:10.119
was made of what did my fathers say, marble? They

1221
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.280
had marble tops on it and everyone was you could

1222
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.760
see to the bottom thirty feet down. But unfortunately, after

1223
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.199
people going out there and stuff, they just ruined it, unfortunately.

1224
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.800
But nonetheless there is still fish and whatnot in there.

1225
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.320
They now it's just a pilot dirt. They just filled

1226
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:29.840
it in. But anyway, with that being said, the people

1227
01:00:29.920 --> 01:00:33.719
in these houses that you're talking about, you can't see

1228
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:36.400
it on this map, but back in the woods, there's

1229
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:40.039
a house that is actually back in the woods down

1230
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:40.880
tom Coo Ave.

1231
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.280
You can see that that tomko.

1232
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:46.239
Ave keeps going and it for whatever reason, you could

1233
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:46.679
see how it.

1234
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:49.079
Oh, you could see the house there. The house is

1235
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:49.719
back in the woods.

1236
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:51.639
If you go to the edge of the road all

1237
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:53.480
the way to the end of the road, you see

1238
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:54.400
the little house in the wood.

1239
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:54.880
Yeah.

1240
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:56.400
Okay, so that house.

1241
01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:59.760
Right there is owned by I won't say the gentleman's

1242
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:02.119
last name, but he's a good friend of the family.

1243
01:01:02.199 --> 01:01:06.920
And his grandmother used to live up there by herself.

1244
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:11.000
And my father said, this lady was she was a

1245
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:12.199
tough older woman.

1246
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:14.239
Who used to used to chew.

1247
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:17.119
She used to have a big water chew in her

1248
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:19.719
mouth and a double barreled shotgun sitting on the porch

1249
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.159
in her rock and chair, and he said, that's how

1250
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.480
she'd be sitting out there, and there was no messing

1251
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:25.239
around with that woman.

1252
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.440
She'd give you two barrels real quick if she had to.

1253
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:32.320
So anyway, he had said something to me, and he

1254
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.480
said a name that I couldn't believe because I thought

1255
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:38.280
it was all just rubbish.

1256
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:40.800
It was all just craziness. So my father used.

1257
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:43.239
To camp out in the yard there, and that house

1258
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:45.639
has no power or no water to it. There's a

1259
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:49.239
spring that they actually used gutter, and they took a

1260
01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:51.400
spring that was all the way up in the woods

1261
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:54.079
on the track bed here, which you can't it's hard

1262
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.639
to see the track bed through the I could see it,

1263
01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:57.760
but it would be hard for you to.

1264
01:01:57.880 --> 01:01:58.840
I just know it's there.

1265
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:01.400
But anyway, comes all the way down there, and they

1266
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:03.559
used the gutter to get the water all the way

1267
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:05.199
down to the house and then it goes into his

1268
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:07.599
little bathtub and that's how they got water. There's an

1269
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:11.199
outhouse there still to this day. But anyway, he said,

1270
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:14.559
the grandmother used to tell them stories about these little

1271
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:20.119
monsters that lived out there, and I couldn't believe it.

1272
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:21.079
When he said what he.

1273
01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:26.320
Should call them is Topex and I was like what,

1274
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.280
and he said it again, and I'm like, oh, my goodness.

1275
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.679
So here when I was a child.

1276
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:35.400
That little village, that little town of houses that are there,

1277
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.679
My friend Jeff and his family live in there, live

1278
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:42.840
in that area, and he used to tell me about Topex.

1279
01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.960
He used to say this, He said, there's these little ghouls,

1280
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:47.840
these little things that run around in the woods. And

1281
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:50.280
I'm like, why, you're crazy. I said, you're nuts. And

1282
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.920
so now my father's telling me this as I'm an adult,

1283
01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:56.320
and I'm saying, no, you're kidding, and he says, honestly,

1284
01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:00.880
he said, the grandmother told them that they were I

1285
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:04.320
guess you would say, almost like a siren, and they

1286
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.840
would call you into the water and try to pull

1287
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:08.280
you into the water and drown.

1288
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:10.960
You because there was a creek that's back there, and

1289
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:12.719
then there's the reservoir back there.

1290
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.800
Also there's all different little pools of water that or

1291
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:18.199
I guess if you want to be a couple feet deep,

1292
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:19.760
would be a creek, and then it'd come and do

1293
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.480
a little pool of water. But anyway, you'd say, they'd

1294
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.320
pull you in there and they drown you. And I

1295
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:26.800
just thought it was a tale, as my father did.

1296
01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:30.440
But I could tell you this years later. I had

1297
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:35.079
seen this guy's uncles in the woods and they were

1298
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.320
they kept going, Oh, I don't want to insult anybody,

1299
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:41.239
but they're not the smartest bunch. I'll just tell you

1300
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:46.960
that they were homeschooled and they if you ever seen,

1301
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:49.960
I'll just say that they didn't. Some of them weren't.

1302
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:51.280
They almost had their own language.

1303
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:53.599
Okay, at one point they didn't come off the mountain

1304
01:03:53.679 --> 01:03:56.239
very much. And that doesn't go for all of them,

1305
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:57.119
just some of them.

1306
01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:58.719
Back in the day, and.

1307
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.320
These two guys were there and we didn't want them

1308
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.360
to be there because they were bothering us. And these

1309
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:07.960
are his family and there is two uncles and they're

1310
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:11.559
sitting on this stool, this bench that we had, and

1311
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.519
we're up at that reservoir. We're up at the olden

1312
01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:16.760
reservoir and we didn't think they'd follow us, but were

1313
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:20.239
it says hanover reservoir on here. But they somehow we

1314
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:22.840
were hiking up there and somehow they ended up finding us.

1315
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.039
And we're like, oh great, here comes these guys. And

1316
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:30.320
so I had a big ramble knife on my side

1317
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:32.599
that I used to carry. He goes, that's a big

1318
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:34.320
knife on your side. He goes, look at that knife

1319
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:35.880
on and he said, yeah, that's a nice knife.

1320
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:39.519
He goes, that's pretty big, and I just said I went, yeah,

1321
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:44.079
probably big enough for a topoke topek though, And honest

1322
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:47.159
to God, when I said that, these guys went from

1323
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:48.920
a total laughter laughing there.

1324
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:53.159
When I said that word, they stopped instantly and their

1325
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:54.960
eyes got all big and they looked at me, and

1326
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:57.920
he goes, what did you say about topex? And I said,

1327
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:02.599
And in my head I thought they like I startled

1328
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:05.920
them and I said that word, He's They stopped everything instantly,

1329
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:08.400
and I said, oh, I said, it's big enough for topex,

1330
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.599
and he goes, oh yeah, and they giggled a little bit,

1331
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:13.599
and before I know it, they got on their quads

1332
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:15.760
and they left and that was it. I didn't see

1333
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:17.280
them the rest of the day. They didn't come back

1334
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:19.760
or bother us. I don't know, like I said, I

1335
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:24.840
don't know that I've searched that word, and I don't

1336
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.320
know if it's an Indian word that I'm saying wrong,

1337
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:28.639
that it's not topek.

1338
01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:30.400
It's like something that sounds like that.

1339
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.400
It's just different. But I've tried to look it up

1340
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:36.679
and search it and I can't find anything on as

1341
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:39.800
far as cryptids go. But when I think about that

1342
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.480
stuff being pulled across the path like that, and I'm going,

1343
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:47.360
something small, how to do this? Because there was nothing big,

1344
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.119
really big, And I'm like, what could have done this?

1345
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:53.079
If it was a mature adult, you would pull something.

1346
01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:54.559
Bigger that we couldn't run over in the middle of

1347
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:58.679
the road, Like why would anybody pull these little trees down?

1348
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:01.400
And they were trees, were alive. We're pulled over, And

1349
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.320
it just made me think back and go, what in

1350
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.760
the world did this? I think about them saying that

1351
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:10.480
there's these little monsters that run around the woods, and

1352
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:12.880
I'm like, oh, my goodness, can you imagine? That's one

1353
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:14.480
more thing that I don't want to think about. Not

1354
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.000
that I really put much, you know that I really

1355
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.159
believe that they're real. But I'll tell you what, there's

1356
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:21.679
a lot of things I didn't think were real in

1357
01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:24.719
this world. Now the older I'm on this earth, I

1358
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.360
come to find out they are. So it seems that

1359
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:28.880
there's a little truth and everything.

1360
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:33.920
Wow, my goodness, that's that area is an area of

1361
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:36.840
high strange there. Yeah, I'm going to be I'm going

1362
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.639
to be thinking about that for a while, not only

1363
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:43.559
just bigfoot, but you've got multiple other weirdness going on,

1364
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.599
and I guess you could say that the Wilkes Barre

1365
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:50.880
area of Pennsylvania. And this has been a fascinating conversation.

1366
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:55.199
Thank you for sharing what you experienced up there over

1367
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.400
over the years. It just it has been a very

1368
01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:06.320
cool chat. Frank, my goodness, I'm trying to think. Yeah,

1369
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:08.760
just a conversation about what your family had to go

1370
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:11.920
through and what happened to your mother. I can't imagine

1371
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:17.199
having to go through that you have, my goodness. Would

1372
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:19.440
you ever go back to that area or have you

1373
01:07:19.519 --> 01:07:22.519
been back recently to this area used to go to as.

1374
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:27.440
A Yeah, yeah, the spot what we called it. Yeah, yeah,

1375
01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:30.440
as a matter of fact, I do. It's just I

1376
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:32.599
gotta be honest with you. When the sun goes down,

1377
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.599
it's just gets It's not all the time. I'll be

1378
01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:40.480
there at night and I could feel fine. We could

1379
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:43.280
be camping out there for two or three days, and

1380
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:45.519
then all of a sudden, I will just get this

1381
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:49.239
feeling out of nowhere that it's like you can feel

1382
01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:51.559
eyes on the back of your neck or something, and

1383
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:55.559
it's like and once that happens, and it hits my

1384
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:58.920
memory and I go, oh, my goodness, and then that's it.

1385
01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.679
I can't be comfortable from that point on. So it

1386
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:06.000
sometimes is harder than others. Obviously, there's the more people

1387
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.920
that are there, the better I feel out there, and

1388
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:12.000
you can have a weapon on you. But and I'll

1389
01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:14.920
be honest with you, it's not that I'm afraid of

1390
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:18.239
any sasquatch or anything, but I would rather not see them.

1391
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:20.079
You're not going to find me ever going looking for

1392
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:20.560
these things.

1393
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:20.880
Okay.

1394
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:24.159
I don't know why anybody would. I do not because

1395
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:24.720
you don't know.

1396
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:26.439
Are you going to go in the woods looking for

1397
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:28.920
a gorilla and go, let's just see what a temperament

1398
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:31.319
it has today, because that's basically what you're doing.

1399
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:33.920
And I'm not going to be caught doing that.

1400
01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.359
I would I don't, so I go out there, but

1401
01:08:36.439 --> 01:08:39.119
I'll tell you what I do. I hope I never

1402
01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:42.119
see anything like that ever again in my life. I'll

1403
01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:44.439
be happy if I never do. But yeah, that is,

1404
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:47.840
I do go out and I do camp. Still I

1405
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:50.600
haven't camped up there, but my friends do. And the

1406
01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:53.680
thing is there is so much activity now in those

1407
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:56.039
woods that they're building.

1408
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:57.760
That trackbed that I talk to you about.

1409
01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:00.199
Where it used to be about half a mile the

1410
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.439
wilderness between the road and that track bed. Now they've

1411
01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:05.760
cut down the woods almost right up to that track bed.

1412
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:08.319
There's day ruined it out there. It isn't like it

1413
01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:08.840
used to be.

1414
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.439
But as far as when you get up on that

1415
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:14.640
mountain on top there, who knows, it's still They call

1416
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:16.640
them the green ways, I think they call them, or

1417
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.600
something similar to that, that these paths of woods where

1418
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:25.079
if it's true that Sasquatch does they do go from

1419
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:28.079
north to south, then they're gonna have to use those

1420
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.680
little those little paths and those little pieces of woods

1421
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:32.159
that you wouldn't think that they would be in.

1422
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:34.119
And there's still a lot of woods up there, it's

1423
01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:34.880
just not near me.

1424
01:09:34.960 --> 01:09:37.119
It's and that's not where we were used to going

1425
01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:39.760
as to route those twenty years that we would we'd

1426
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:41.680
be out there in the woods all the time, from

1427
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:45.039
probably from the time I was thirteen to thirty three.

1428
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.279
It wasn't like I stopped going out there. It's just

1429
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:50.760
I wouldn't be caught out there by myself or at night.

1430
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:53.399
But it's just I know that there's stuff out in

1431
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:56.880
those woods. There's stuff in the forest, and I'm not

1432
01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:57.960
I don't believe it.

1433
01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:00.000
I know it. I know it for a fact.

1434
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:03.840
So when you know that, it has a nother a

1435
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:05.800
whole a whole other thing to think about.

1436
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:07.920
Like, So anyway, that's my story.

1437
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.880
Wow, thank you so much for sharing again, Frank, and

1438
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:14.039
keep us in the loop. I know you said people

1439
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:17.079
that still go out there, maybe in places you don't

1440
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:20.359
go anywhere, And if you ever hear anything else going on,

1441
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:22.960
definitely let us know. We'd love to hear about it.

1442
01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:26.000
But yeah, I appreciate you coming on and sharing your

1443
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.520
experiences from over the years today anytime.

1444
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:30.359
Thank you very much.

1445
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.840
I appreciate it, and you have a great night. Thank you,

1446
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:33.800
very nice to meet you.

1447
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:37.920
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1448
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:41.159
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1449
01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:44.960
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1450
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:47.800
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1451
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.119
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1452
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:54.560
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

1453
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.560
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

1454
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:01.560
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

1455
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:04.479
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

1456
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:08.039
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

1457
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.680
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

1458
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:15.399
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field

1459
01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:18.560
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1460
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:22.079
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1461
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:25.960
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1462
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.359
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1463
01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:32.359
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1464
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:35.880
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1465
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.680
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1466
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:43.079
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1467
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:47.880
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1468
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:53.239
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1469
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.079
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1470
01:11:56.119 --> 01:12:01.880
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

1471
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:06.279
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1472
01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:09.159
you for listening to this episode of The Bigfoot Society Podcast.

1473
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:11.640
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1474
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:14.840
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1475
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:17.720
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

1476
01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:20.560
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1477
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1479
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:29.159
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1482
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:39.199
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1483
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:41.600
if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting,

1484
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:44.520
please I'd love to hear from you, so email me

1485
01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:48.039
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start

1486
01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:50.880
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1487
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:55.239
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1488
01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:58.359
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1489
01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:03.199
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1490
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:06.239
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1491
01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:09.079
into the Bigfoot subject as much as you are. Thanks

1492
01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:12.079
again for following along with the Bigfoot society until next time,

1493
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.920
keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop

1494
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.159
asking what else might be out there? And see you

1495
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:17.680
in the woods.