Feb. 11, 2026

A Lifetime of Bigfoot Encounters Across New England

A Lifetime of Bigfoot Encounters Across New England
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Season 1

In this episode, we explore the lifelong experiences of Gary, a witness whose encounters span decades and stretch across some of the most forested and overlooked regions of the Northeast. From early childhood experiences in the wooded neighborhoods of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to later encounters in western Massachusetts, Vermont’s remote Harriman Reservoir, and the backwoods of Rhode Island, Gary shares a journey shaped by place as much as experience.


Growing up near dense forests, rivers, reservoirs, and mountain terrain, Gary describes moments that occurred near familiar landmarks like Mount Tom, Savoy State Forest, and deep rural woodlands seldom visited after dark. These locations form the backdrop for encounters that unfolded quietly over time, often far from roads, towns, or witnesses.


Gary reflects on how geography, generational knowledge, and time spent in the woods intersected throughout his life, offering insight into why these areas continue to surface in Bigfoot reports across New England. This episode focuses on environment, history, and firsthand memory, allowing the locations themselves to play a central role in the story.


Join us as we trace Gary’s experiences through Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Vermont, and Rhode Island, and explore how the landscapes of the Northeast continue to hold stories that remain largely untold.

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You're listening to Bigfa Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society. I've got

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the privilege of talking to Gary. Gary is a listener

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of the show from the great state of Massachusetts, and

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he has some really interesting things he's going to be

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sharing today. I know a little bit about him because

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of the email that was sent. But one of these

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places I'm really excited about, and I haven't told Gary why.

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We'll get there, but it is really cool. Gary, Welcome

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to the show. How are you doing today, sir.

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Well, I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.

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Absolutely, we were talking a little bit beforehand, and I'm

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sure Gary you remember that I grew up in Western

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mass I grew up in specifically it's a small town

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called Northfield, so you know, really familiar with the places

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that we're going to be hopping around to today. And

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it's just it is a really big privilege to be

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able to talk to someone who has stories and accounts

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from places like Massachusetts, Vermont as Sometimes you don't really

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get to hear those until you know the person really well.

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So I'm glad that we were able to get connected.

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But Gary, is there anything else that the listeners would

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need to know about yourself before we get going?

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Well, like, I live in Western mass Now, I've been

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in Massachusetts on and off since nineteen seventy eight, you know,

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born in Pittsburgh and grew up for the first eighteen

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years of my life there. I have co workers that

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live in Northfield, Massachusetts. Oh really, Yeah, I didn't even

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know the town existed until I heard you talking about it,

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because I mean, there's a lot of little towns up

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that way. I can't keep a hold Oh yeah, but yeah,

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I live in Western I'm sixty years old, and I've

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had multiple experiences and really, when I listen to podcasts

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and I hear people talking about multiple sightings, multiple experiences.

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You know, my BS meter goes off sometimes, so I

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even have a hard time believing my sightings at times.

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But I mean, I know what I saw. You couldn't

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tell me otherwise, even the the like not so clear sightings.

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I know what that wasn't know, wasn't a bear, wasn't

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a person. But yeah, and that's uh pretty much mate.

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I mean, I'm not very good at public speaking. I'll

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tell my story the best I can. So. I was

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born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in nineteen sixty five. My first

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few years I lived in an area called Beck's Run.

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The locals called it that. It wasn't it was actually

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North Baldwin on the border of North Baldwin in Pittsburgh, PA.

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But there's a creek that ran through their best run,

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Beck's Run Creek, and that's what people called the area.

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When I was in nineteen sixty nine, and I remember

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this vividly, my mother went into labor with my sister.

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It was April second or third. And my grandmother, when

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I was growing up, used to tell us all the time,

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if we don't behave the Boogerman is gonna get you ins.

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That was her she never described it. And you know,

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back then, we didn't question parents or grandparents, so we

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never asked her what it looked like. And I used

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to end up having nightmares about a guy with a

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giant nose Boogerman. So the night of my first sighting,

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I was three going on four, And there's two things

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I remember about that week was my sighting and my

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sister being brought home. So my father was down to

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the hospital and I was at my grandmother's house and

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I asked her, can I get some cookies? And she goes, yeah,

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go ahead, go into the kitchen to the bread drawer

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and get them. Now their house was it was on

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a side street. Both neighbors' houses were elevated above our house.

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You could see their front their first floor from our

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second floor, nothing but wood behind us. The locals used

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to call it forty acre woods. So I go out

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into the kitchen and the window shades were still open. It

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was dark out, and I seen this giant figure looking

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at me through the window and it took a few

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seconds to process and like, and I looked and I

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went turning around, running in the living room, telling my

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grandmother there's a giant monkey looking at me through the window.

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You know. Yeah, three that's what I described as My

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grandmother said, you fool? Was he smiling at you? And

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I'm like, yes, she goes, you must have been doing

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something bad. I'm like, no, I wasn't. But yeah, that

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was my first sighting. And it was a few seconds

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through the back window. And the thing is is my

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grandparents would a lot of times they'd leave the window

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shades open because there's nothing but woods behind them. You know,

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nobody look in the window, nothing like that. So when

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I walked out into the kitchen, I saw this. The

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window sills about four five feet up off the ground,

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and this thing's head was at the top of the window.

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And it was giant. Well I mean, I'm three years old,

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so you know, six foot tall person would be giant

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to you. But it was big, and it was just

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looking at me, and you know, I say, smiling. But

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it wasn't one of those oh look, it's very inviting look.

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It was more to me menacing. It was hairy, dark hair,

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see of facial features. It looked kind of like one

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of the primitive human that they illustrate on Its eyes

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were a yellowish color, not glowing yellow, just like the

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whites of the eyes were yellowish, and it was just

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looking at me with this It was almost looked like

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an orangutang smiling at me. But I mean, I've never

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seen any seven foot orangutang. So and I know wild

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light because from the time I could read, I've read

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all kinds of wildlife books. I was interested in the outdoors.

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I used to watch Mutual of Omaha's United Kingdom every

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week religiously, and so I know I wasn't looking at

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a bear. There were no bears in that area at

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the time, and the person would have had to be

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standing on a step ladder to be where the head was.

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It was a quick sighting though. It was you know,

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boom saw it ran into the other room, so you know,

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And I kicked myself for never asking my grandmother because

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she obviously knew more about than what she was telling.

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But you didn't question adults back then. You just whatever

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they told you. You took it as a gospel. You know,

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don't swallow gum, it'll stand in your stomach to the

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rest of your life. Stuff like that. So fast forward,

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it was like a couple months later, my aunt took

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me to see a Disney movie, and at the end

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of Disney move was a nature short and I was like, yo,

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there's mister deer for all looking through the woods and stuff.

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And all of a sudden, the music got realonymous and

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they showed the Patty film The Patterson Gimlin again. Some

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people believe that there's a I can't remember the words exactly,

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and I went ballistic. I'm like yelling, my honest, that's

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when I saw in the back window, and she's like,

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everybody's looking at me and kind of like yeah. So,

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and my grandmother used to tell us all the time

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that the boogerman obo's which is an old term for

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like homeless people and a pack of wild dogs lived

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up in the woods. And I've seen the bile dogs,

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I've seen the obo's walking in out of the woods,

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and I've seen the Boogerman. So okay, you know, when

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I was really.

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You mentioned that the whites of its eyes were kind

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of yellowed. Do you remember what the center of the eyes,

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what the color of those were?

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No, you see, really, I was in the lit kitchen

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and it was looking through the windows, so it was

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kind of backdrop the darkness, and you could see features,

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but you couldn't see him too vividly. All I know

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is there's this giant, hairy person ape whatever you want

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to call it, standing there looking at me through the window.

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And then my grandmother confirmed that that was what she

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called the Boogerman and it's funny. Okay. Years later, I

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remember arguing with my grandfather. She wanted a floodlight put

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in the backyard, and my grandfather's like, what do we

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need a floodlight for. There's nobody back there, and she's like, Dad,

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sobke's banging on the walls and looking in the windows.

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I want to determin from coming. So they knew, and

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I wish I kicked myself. I wish i'd like ask

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them about, you know, what they do. And here's the thing.

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I read a book about Bigfoot in Pennsylvania, and right

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up the road from where we're at, there's like historical

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sightings on Sawmill Run Boulevard, which is around the corner

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up the road aways from that area, in those same woods.

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I mean, if you walk through those woods, you'd get

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right to that spot. But yeah, okay, so yeah, then

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I saw the PG film and my aunt, who like

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my aunt and uncle, used to take me out the

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movies and stuff. Took me out to see Boggy Creek

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and seventy four to seventy five, when I was about

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nine years old, this dime in Pittsburgh, there was always

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newspaper articles about sightings Bigfoot UFOs. You'd see snippets on

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the news, and back then it wasn't like it is

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now where they laugh where you know, Pittsburgh man saw Bigfoot.

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They're just told the news, no emotion, no, So me

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and the local kids in that neighborhood, because i'd go

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visit my grandparents on the weekend. We're talking about it,

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and I told them what I saw. They decided, well,

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we're going to go look for it. So we would

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go walk up into the woods. There'd be like a

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group of four or five of us, and slowly people

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would drop off and go back down to the bottom

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of the hill. Because my grandparents lived on Somerset in

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Susquehanna and Susquehanna ended and there was a path going

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up into those woods. So one time we're walking up there,

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kids are dropping off, dropping off. Finally I got one

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kid left with me and he finally's like I'm leaving,

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and I'm like, no, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna keep

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going to see if I see anything. Now I didn't

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think I was going to see anything. And I come

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up over a clearing and it's a flat area, and

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it's a big, wide, open area, and I'm looking and

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I see something about four foot tall standing across the

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clearing from me, with its back to me, looking into

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the crick I'm thinking, what is that Because it's only

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like four foot tall. It's not like some lumbering giant.

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And I guess it noticed that I was there. It

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turned around and it was a small big foot type

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creature and I looked at it and I'm like, this

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can't be hamnet. And then I thought about it. I'm like, Okay,

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if this thing's only four feet tall, it's got to

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be a child or something of that nature. So there's

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got to be a mother nearby. And I remember from

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like reading books and stuff, that you don't want to

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get between a bear cub and it's mother. So I

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turned around. I bolted down the hill. I mean I

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ran so fast I ended up like knocking a couple

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of kids out of the ways, screaming about Bigfoot and

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everybody in the neighborhood, went in the door and went

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in doors and stayed in the rest of the day.

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But I know what I saw that. You know, it

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sounds might sound far fetched to some people, but this

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was a four foot tall, hairy, upright human type creature.

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It was like a dark brown black color. I really

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didn't get a good look at the facial features because

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turned around and looked at me. I was like freaked out.

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I mean, I'm standing out in the woods with a

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something that shouldn't exist, not known if it's a child,

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and there's a mother nearby, and I know what a

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barrel duty if you get between her and her cubs.

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But yeah, that's my second sighting. And that's pretty much

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the end of Pennsylvania. So we moved. My mother and

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father got separated and divorced, and we moved back home

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to her home in Massachusetts, and we were living in

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Aguam And when I moved up here, we ended up

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moving to West Springfield. I went to West Springfield High

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School and I'm thinking, Okay, I'm here in Massachusetts now,

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I'm never going to see nothing like a big again.

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You know, because at that time, you didn't hear about sightings.

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You didn't know. You know, there are a whole bunch

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of people seeing stuff, but nobody is telling anybody. So

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one day, it was like nineteen eighty one, I believe,

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we were celebrating my friend's seventeenth birthday, so it had

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to be around June, and it was a bunch of

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us together at his house in West Springfield and we're like, hey,

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let's go up to Mount Tom and chase the girls around.

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That wasn't an I don't know if you know remember

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Mount Tom Amusement Park. I do, yeah, yeah, So we

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called it into a pickup truck because there was a

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different time back then, and there were three guys in

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the cabin. There were four or five of us in

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the bed of the truck. So he heads up Route five,

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but then he turns towards South Hadley, Like where's he going?

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So he goes up to Oh, it's it's Mount Holy

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Ok and the Skinner State Forest. I don't know if

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you know, we called it Skinny Mountain. I remember it.

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For a longest time, I thought it was called Skinner Mountain.

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So he pulls up New Mountain Road and then he

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turns down the wrong way down Old Mountain Road, down

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to the bottom of the hill before you walk up

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to the and he parks the truck and we're like,

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what are you doing. We're going to go for a hike.

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And the guys in the back of the truck were like, nah,

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we'll stay here. You know, we didn't we don't want

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to go hiking. We just want to go to Mount tom.

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So they go up into the woods and we're all

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sitting in the back of the pickup truck talking, talking

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about what we're going to do, and all of a sudden,

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we start hearing like this rustle in the woods and

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we're hearing like grunting, and we're like, oh, it's these guys.

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They're trying to scare us. They're like, hey, we know

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it's you. Come on out, let's go do what we're

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going to do. And then it, whatever it was, was

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getting more agitated, making noise, started shaking this tree there's

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like two foot around. Okay, these guys were all big guys,

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so it would not be beyond their physical capability of

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rocking a tree back and forth. We're like yeah. We

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kept yelling at him, thinking it was them, and next thing,

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rocks start flying out of the woods like you idiot,

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you just hit your truck. He had an old Dodge

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power wagon that was like his pride and joy. I'm like,

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you just take your truck. You're gonna chip the paint.

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And we're yelling and rocks are flying out, and all

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of a sudden, the kid grabs my shoulder and points

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up the hill coming down from the top of the mountain.

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There's those three guys walking down the hill. The ruckus

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is still going on in the woods. So we're like, guys, guys,

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come on, we got to go there. There's something in it.

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And I'm still not registering bigfoot because I'm thinking Massachusetts,

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there's no such thing. You know, Like a lot of

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people on the East Coast, they're like, well, that doesn't

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happen outside of the West coast. I'm up in Massachusets

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going yeah, no. So they're coming walking down and my

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friend's smiling because he's like, yeah, whatever, you know, you're

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just trying to get us to leave. So he gets

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in the truck and he backs it to turn it

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around to go the right way up old Mountain Road, says,

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backing it towards the woods, and there's a silhouette and

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this is all I saw was a silhouette, a large

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up upright whatever it was. Eyes were red, but I'm

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thinking is because it was a reflection from the break

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lights and we're screaming, we're banging. One of the kids

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rips the sliding windows open in his truck and climbs

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through the into the cab and he looks back and

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he's got the biggest crap eatn grim on his face.

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And as soon as his face turned around to where

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he could see what was going on, his face just dropped.

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He turned pale white. He threw it in the gear

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and he laid rubber all the way out of there.

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So I asked him later on, and I mean, you know,

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I don't know if it happened, didn't see it, but

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he's says that when he looked around, he saw a

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big hand coming out of the woods, like reaching towards

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the people in the back of the truck. If that happened,

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I don't know. I can't verify it. But something spooked

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him when he looked around, because he went from smiling

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and joking and thinking it's the funniest thing in the

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world to just turn and pale. And this is a

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big guy. It's a guy that just never gets scared

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of anything, and he just lost all the color in

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his face. But I mean, you know, as far as

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what it looked like, it was a silhouette, I don't know.

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I could have could have been. You know, it's only

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one thing that could have been from the silhouette. It

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was standing upright, and it was that rather tall. But

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could I verify that? No, I can't say what I saw,

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but I have a good idea of what I saw.

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But yeah, that's wow. So I met my stepfather when

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I was sixteen, and he started taking me hunting, and

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so one day I finally asked him. I said, have

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you ever seen anything weird in the woods? You know?

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You know you do you don't go right into bigfoot,

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you try to pussyfoot around it. And he looked at

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me and he goes, what do you mean like bigfoot?

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I'm like, yeah, well, I've never seen nothing like that.

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But you know, I'm not going to dismiss its existence.

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But you know, because I asked him, because he spent

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most of his life in the woods fishing, hunting. Uh,

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He's been all over New England, northern North State, northern

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New York State, Ohio, other places out hunting. So so

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nineteen eighty six, he goes on an ice fishing derby

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in the Haremont Reservoir in Vermont. I don't know if

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you know where that's at.

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And oh yeah, we'll talk about it in a minute.

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He's He comes home and he's like, dude, I gotta

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tell you the truth. I thought you were crazy. I

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really thought you were crazy. But I saw one and

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I'm like, okay, well what happened. So he says he

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gets up to the reservoir on Friday afternoon, they're in

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an ice fishing derby. They go to go out in

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the lake and it's it's full. There's no real good

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fishing spots. So he tells my cousin. He's like, yeah,

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we'll go over to the hotel. We'll stay for the night.

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We'll get up real early in the morning and get

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on the reservoir and sink holes before anybody else gets there.

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So about two o'clock they wake up, they pack I

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don't know if you know anything about ice fishing, but

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they pack up their ice fishing sled. They got to

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the o'ld three wheel the Killer ATVs. Back in the day,

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they had one of those and they pull it out

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and you get setting up and it's just starting to

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get light, and there they got the stove going making

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bacon and eggs, and you know, my cousin looks over

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and goes, hey, unk, look at that guy over there.

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He's on the other side of the New York like

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New York area side of the reservoir. It's not really

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New York, but that's And he's like, he's a guy

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walking up that side of the reservoir and he's looks

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like he's wearing all black. And my stepfather looks at him.

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He goes and his hands are down by his knees.

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His arms were so long that that he's walking and

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you can see the hens swaying past the knees, according

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to him. So they're like, curious, what is this? So

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they hop on the ATV and they head towards them.

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And as he get closer to my cousin, who was

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driving the a TV, just hit the brake, spun around

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and came back and he's like, unk, that was no man.

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So my father was telling me that the thing was

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like eight feet tall. He said when they got up close,

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it looked like a giant ape. And he said and

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it was just as startled as they were when they

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came over. It took turn and went into the woods

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as they come, flying back that way. But I mean,

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ever since then, he was he was hooked. He knew

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that I wasn't well for this, I wasn't crazy, and

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he knew something out there existed that he never knew existed.

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But you know, I went up with him the following

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year for the derby just because I wanted to see

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the area and get it. It's like, that's really in

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the middle of nowhere, especially that side of the reservoir.

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But yeah, that's that was my stepfather and my cousin.

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They they both since passed, but that was what they saw.

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He was telling me. It's like it's big. It had

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semi long hair, he said. His face looked like an ape.

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He said, like the arms were down swinging past the knees,

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and it just you know, every once in a while

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we would be sit around me like, yeah, I remember the

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time when a hairline restaurant, like yeah, yeah, I remember.

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But for a long time he thought I was crazy,

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But he really didn't. Like he never poo pooed anything

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I said, never told me like you're nuts you just

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keep that to himself. Then he saw it.

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Wow, So I'll share with you for a few minutes.

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So this place is really special with my family history

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growing up. We would visit the Harriman Dam multiple times

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through childhood, but I knew it as or sorry, Harriman Reservoir.

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I knew it as Graham's Dam because my let's say,

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my grandmother's brother, I believe was the caretaker of the

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dam there. So there are all sorts of stories about

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how he would go take these old wooden sleds and

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go sliding down the grass side of the dam. If

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you've been to the part where you can watch the

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water go go in, and now it's a thing where

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now you can't really go on the damn. You can

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get in a lot of trouble and it's posted. So

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I would not recommend people go mess around. But I

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remember going to that area and we just went last

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year and think I've always thought, I'm like, it is

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so remote out here in the woods are so dark,

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there's nothing out There's got to be something out here.

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So when I got your email and I was like,

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oh my goodness, Hereman Reservoir. That's that's Graham's Dam, there's

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something out there. I was just like blown away. I

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was like, I knew this email was coming eventually, and

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I was like, that's one of the coolest things I've

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ever seen. So I was I was just pumped to

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see that there is at least one reported encounter of

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Bigfoot around the Harreman Reservoir, which is actually right up

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against the Green Mountain. I want the Green Mountain, that

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big forest in southwest vermon in the Bennington Triangle area

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as well, if people know about that. But such a

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cool story, Gary, I am so glad to hear that one.

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That area is extremely remote for New England for sure.

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When my dad told me that story, he's never you know,

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you know, you got guys to be like they caught

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a twelve inch fish and it become twenty four inches

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or they saw a twenty point book and he never.

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He just told stuff like it was. He was a

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very serious, non joking type person. So if he said

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he saw Jesus walking down the street, Jesus walking down

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the street, he's that type of person. So I knew

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he wasn't pulling my leg like my buddy's got a

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My buddy's father used to tell us all kinds of

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crazy stories that you knew were bs. But my dad,

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he said it was the gospel. And when I went

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up there the following year, like you said, I'm there

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in broad daylight, it's sunny out. You couldn't see a

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foot into them woods. It is so dark than Yeah,

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I mean that was some thick growth, so that'd be

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a perfect place for something to hide. But yeah, that's

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you know, I always like to add my dad's sighting

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because his sighting it makes me realize that maybe I'm

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not crazy and delusional and I wasn't seeing things if

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somebody that level headed, did you know, somebody has no

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you know, there's no he's not gaining any clout or

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anything by telling that story. In fact, you know some

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sportsman's clubs, so they would look at him like he

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was nuts. But yeah, that was my dad's sighting. That's awesome.

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Thank you so much for sharing that.

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Yeah, he since passed away, but I remember every time

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Bigfoot would come up or be a advertisty like, start

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talking about that sighting. Again. We were painting. We were

451
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:03.279
doing a house. We're house painters and back Snowbrian came

452
00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.759
on in Rock one O two, and they were making

453
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:09.440
a making fun of some bigfoot sighting and he turned

454
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.599
on goes you remember that time I saw that bigfoot? Like, yeah, Dad,

455
00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:16.200
I do. I remember had excited him. He always went

456
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:19.839
of the We always went deer hunting and stuff like that,

457
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:21.200
but he always wanted to get out in the woods

458
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:26.440
and look around for what he saw. Yeah, And it's

459
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:29.240
funny because he spent years in the woods. He hunted,

460
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.759
he camped, he went off the before he went off

461
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:35.559
to Vietnam, he spent time in the Seneca Indian Reservation

462
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.519
hunting with the folks up that way. So I mean

463
00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.440
he was not a Yeah, he was not a stranger

464
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:43.880
to the woods, and I mean he was. It was

465
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.680
always I always joked he taught me how to hunt

466
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.839
and track, and I'm like, it's really funny that a

467
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.039
white man taught an Indian how to hunt in track

468
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.640
because I'm a part of Native American and we'd laugh

469
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:59.599
about it. But yeah, that was his sighting, you know.

470
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:05.240
After the really didn't see anything for a while there.

471
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.559
And I remember moving back to my grandparents' house in

472
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.960
Pittsburgh and one night I'm like, yeah, I'm going camping

473
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:17.440
up in them woods that I saw and set up

474
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.359
my tent, get ready, get everything set up. About three

475
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:23.160
in the morning, I just could not sleep. Those woods

476
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:28.079
make made me so nervous and see anything. But it

477
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.640
just felt like the whole time that I was not

478
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:34.000
supposed to be out there. Three o'clock in the morning,

479
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.319
I pulled my tent down, packed everything up, and hiked

480
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.279
out of the dark gass woods, just to get away

481
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.720
from that area. Then about a year later, my cousin

482
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.000
who's younger than me, wanted to go camping up there,

483
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:46.680
and he's like, well, you've been up there when you

484
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:49.079
go to show us a good place to camp. So

485
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.160
I took his friends up there and we're sitting up

486
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:56.240
there and got the campfire going, and about two in

487
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.400
the morning we're seeing spotlights and hare and hounds. Some

488
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:02.599
coon hunter come up on us and they're like, what

489
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.160
are you egans doing up here? He said, you know,

490
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:07.400
there are things up in the woods that could and

491
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:10.039
they didn't allude to what they're talking about. And it

492
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:13.400
wasn't like bear country or grizzlies at the time. I

493
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.640
don't think we had coyotes down there, you know, since

494
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.319
we you know, but they're like there's stuff up here

495
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:22.000
you don't want to mess with, do you, guys armed?

496
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.440
And we're like no, They're like, yeah, I'd get out

497
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.279
of here if I were you. And like I said,

498
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.960
they never alluded to why or what, but we knew

499
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:32.119
what they were talking about. Well I did, but yeah,

500
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:41.119
that's pretty much all my experience in Pennsylvania. So my

501
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:44.880
buddy and I, the guy who was driving the pickup truck,

502
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:50.440
we've been friends forever. He's got a house in Musquamica Beach,

503
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:55.200
that area westerly, Rhode Island, and he's the guy that

504
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.359
goes out and makes friends all over the place. So

505
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:00.519
he had made friends with some of them there. Against

506
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:05.799
it's down there, it said Native American tribe. And he

507
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:08.240
got access to a pond in the middle of nowhere

508
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.920
in Rhode Island, and you know, you know, they're like,

509
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:16.160
go ahead, don't don't leave any mess. If anybody asks

510
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.839
you tell them something and such told you could come

511
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.759
out here. So we're sitting there one night in his

512
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.000
house in Rhode Island and it's hot. It's like two

513
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.079
in the morning and it's just hotter than haighties. He's like, hey,

514
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:30.880
let's go up to the pond and go swimming, and

515
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:35.039
I'm like, this time of night because it's a it

516
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.480
was like a twenty minute drive on a dirt road.

517
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.119
Now another fifteen minute walk through the woods into this

518
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.680
so you know, yeah, okay, whatever, let's do it. It's hot.

519
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.519
I'm not going to argue. So we go up there.

520
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.200
I say it was it like twenty eleven. I believe

521
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:55.160
it was. And we're swimming nothing, you know, everything's you know, normal,

522
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.359
same as we ever did. But as we came out

523
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:02.480
of the woods, got into the car, so we're driving,

524
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.359
I have to look over to my side of the

525
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:10.440
car and there's two large silhouettes pacing the car. So

526
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.400
I tell my buddy, I'm like, look at that, and

527
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:17.720
he goes what an He speeds up and he's doing

528
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:20.039
about thirty on his dirt road and it's not like

529
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.720
the safest and they're keeping up. I can't tell you

530
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.079
what they were. I'm not going to sit there and say, yeah, definitely,

531
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.319
they were bigfoot, they were tall, dark, and they were

532
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.680
right inside the tree line, like escorting us out of

533
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.880
the woods. And as soon as we got the pavement,

534
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:38.119
we went our way and they went their way. That's

535
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:43.400
you know what was it. I don't know. I have

536
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:45.319
an idea, but I'm not going to sit there and

537
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:50.119
say one because I didn't have a clear visual sighting

538
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.079
or whatever it was. But I don't think it was

539
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:59.559
a couple of NBA players running down the path. But yeah,

540
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:02.119
you know, it's like I can't give a description because

541
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.519
I really didn't see nothing but shadows, you know, silhouettes

542
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:10.440
in the woods. Yeah, it's like, Okay, Rhode Island too.

543
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.720
But I mean, my buddy one time hopped on his

544
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:18.000
dirt bike in Westerly and rode all the way through

545
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:24.119
Connecticut and this is all trails in the Massachusetts into

546
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:28.759
my parents' house in Springfield on a dirt bike in

547
00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:34.039
the woods, without really ever traveling paved roads except for

548
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.839
the crossing. So there's a lot of woods up here,

549
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:41.119
a lot more than you think. Yeah, because like you know,

550
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:45.279
you live in Springfield or Holyoak or even Agwam, you're like,

551
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:50.680
it's really not that woodsy up here. But then you

552
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:55.920
get up into like Granby, and you know that you

553
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.000
look at the map and there's like woods all the

554
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:06.039
way up into camp that are maybe you know, maybe

555
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.759
a few small towns here and there, but nothing that big,

556
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:14.359
you know. So it's like there's enough, there's enough of

557
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:22.200
wooded area up here that anything could stay undetected if

558
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.440
they didn't make the mistake of doing the occasional road

559
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:28.000
crossing or throwing rocks at people, you know.

560
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:32.720
Oh yeah, I mean I don't think people also realize

561
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:38.559
that you can take a snowmobile from the Massachusetts New

562
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:41.160
Hampshire border all the way up to Canada. Oh yeah,

563
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:43.599
on snowmobile trails. It's crazy.

564
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:53.079
Yeah. So I've studied, read books, watched every documentary I could,

565
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:57.359
but I never really did any field research. So finally,

566
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.960
after my dad passed, I'm like, you know what, I'm

567
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.839
just start going out in the woods and looking around.

568
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:08.119
So I slowly accumulated like night vision, binoculars, infrared, you know,

569
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.480
all that stuff. So WHOA one weekend last year, I

570
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.280
was like, yeah, I'm gonna reserve a camp site up

571
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:20.679
the Savoy State Forest campground. And I doubt I'm going

572
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.159
to see anything, but you know, just spending time in

573
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.239
the woods would be nice. So I get up there

574
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.639
and I get a campsite near the entrance to the

575
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.639
camp and I got one neighbor next to me, and

576
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:35.280
it was going to pour the next night, so a

577
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.840
lot of people didn't reserve anything. So I'm sitting there

578
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:41.000
and I'm looking through my binoculars and all of a sudden,

579
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.280
I see a face and I get all excited, but

580
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.119
I'm like, no, let me focus in on this. And

581
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.159
as I brought the power up, I'm like, okay, that's

582
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.719
a bunch of leaves, you know, as a pair of

583
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:59.360
was it called paradolia? So I'm like, oh, okay. So

584
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:04.280
the next it poured, I mean buckets. It felt like

585
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.920
it sounded like people were pouring buckets of water on

586
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.800
my tent, and my tent got soaked and I ended

587
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.119
up sleeping in the car. I was going home the

588
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.079
next day anyways. So I'm sleeping there and I'm looking

589
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.320
through the binoculars and I see another face and I

590
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.119
focus in and it's a bunch of leaves again, But

591
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.039
it's like wild, how at a certain angle, at a

592
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:32.000
certain distance, stuff actually looks like something's not so Finally

593
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.960
I'm like, eh, whatever, I'm just gonna catch a nap

594
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.320
before I leave. I packed all my gear up and

595
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.760
I'm sitting in the front of the car and I

596
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.559
got the windows open because it's not raining anymore. It's

597
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:49.159
getting fresh air. And I hear a owl, you know, like, okay, owls,

598
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.559
owls are in the woods. Can I hear a Responsively,

599
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:57.119
I'm like, what is that owl? Laryngitis? So then I

600
00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:59.239
hear the owl again, you know, and I hear a

601
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:04.079
spot hooo, and I'm like, what the heck is that?

602
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.000
So finally I hear the crows. I guess they were

603
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.039
upset because they got woke up, and they're just squawking

604
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.039
away at the owl sound. And he out takes off

605
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.880
and you can hear him as he's getting further further away.

606
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.360
So I'm sitting there like that was weird. What was it?

607
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:25.800
I don't know. I started hearing movement in the woods, like, okay,

608
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.599
that could be a bear, that could be that could

609
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.639
be a person. You know, it's a campsite, there are

610
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:35.159
people out here, but I'm hearing it, and it's like

611
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.800
trying to be quiet as possible whatever it was, you know.

612
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.079
So I'm looking and I see in a little clearing,

613
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.039
I just see just a glimpse of something. I have

614
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.440
no idea it was hairy or what. It was, just

615
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:54.679
a just a glimpse, and I'm like Okay, that's weird.

616
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:59.079
But you know, I I don't know if you know

617
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:03.119
the Savoye State Forest campground at all, but you have

618
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.880
the road, the road that goes down I can't remember

619
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.280
the name of the road. And you go into the

620
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:14.159
entrance in the first left, there's like three camp sites. No, like,

621
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.960
there's the road to those campsites, a small patch of woods,

622
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:24.039
the road going in, and then nothing but woods. So

623
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:29.280
I saw something. I don't have no idea what it was.

624
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.280
I can't say definitively could have been a person. I

625
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.400
don't know what they're doing at three o'clock in the

626
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.800
morning walking through the woods. But you know, that was

627
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:46.320
pretty much the gist of that.

628
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:49.360
And that was just last year.

629
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.400
Yeah, I've had people tell me that bears will make

630
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.480
a noise that sounds like an owl, only deeper. Yeah,

631
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.280
but did they talk to the owls when that they

632
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.920
respond to owls? You know? And like, I'm not claiming

633
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:12.000
what it was, I don't know, but it was just odd. Yeah,

634
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:17.519
and it's like, yeah, I'd like to be able to

635
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.320
see one one more time before I pass away. I

636
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.719
don't care if I prove anything. I don't care if

637
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:29.400
I like have like Patterson Gimlin style, whatever. I don't care.

638
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.039
I just want to see one once more. I had

639
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.760
this theory for the longest time that you know, because

640
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.760
I saw most of this in the sixties, seventies and eighties,

641
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:46.280
that it was a dwindling species that probably went extinct

642
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.480
since then until the twenty eleven sighting and I realized, yeah, no,

643
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:58.199
I personally think it's a I'm flesh and blood. I'm

644
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.480
not dismissing any of the woo, any of the you know,

645
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:07.039
because I've seen I've had paranormal experiences. I know there's

646
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.480
more out there than what but I truly do believe

647
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:15.400
that the bigfoot creature is a flesh and blood animal.

648
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:18.800
And you know, I remember getting into a discussion with

649
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:22.920
somebody because I said it's an ape and somebody was like,

650
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.039
it's human, and I'm like, you do realize apes humans

651
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.400
are partly great ape family. And I'd gotten this whole

652
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.000
big argument about calling people apes, and like, no, the

653
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:39.960
great apes are humans. Gorillas, the different chimpanzees are rantings.

654
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.280
Those are great apes. We're part of that group. Humans

655
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:48.559
are highly advanced animals. So when somebody claims that it's human,

656
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:52.599
that doesn't mean that it's like me and you putting

657
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.239
a suit on and going to the city type. But

658
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.320
it doesn't mean that it's not an animal either. It's

659
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.519
obviously something more than a and an ape, like a

660
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:08.039
champanzee or something like that. But you know what it is,

661
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:11.960
None of us know. We don't have any refrutable proof

662
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:17.639
of what it is. And I'm willing to listen to

663
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:22.199
anybody's ideas even if I think they're batcrap crazy, because

664
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:28.960
I could be wrong. You know, all that woosd off

665
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:33.119
could be real. I doubt it. But and it's like

666
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.599
when people like wood disappeared, and like, have you ever

667
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.119
spent a lot of time in the woods, Like I

668
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:41.519
used to go deer hunting. I'd see deer disappear all

669
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.000
the time. It didn't mean that it disappeared. They knew

670
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.679
the woods better than me. They would take a sharp

671
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:50.079
left or right and next time you wouldn't see them,

672
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.760
and it looked like they just dropped off the face

673
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.960
of the earth. But that's an animal that knows the

674
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.199
wood way better than I do, and it knows how

675
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.800
to evade people. And you know, there's certain colors like

676
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:08.119
browns and blacks, that blend into the forest, especially when

677
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:12.360
you're in like a thick forest, and people can disappear

678
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.000
after so many feet into the woods. You don't you

679
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:18.239
can hear them, you don't see them. But like I said,

680
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.440
I don't dismiss anybody's ideas because none of us really

681
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:26.079
know what we're dealing with. But I'm in the flesh.

682
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:26.519
I agree.

683
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:35.320
Yeah, and wild accounts of I mean, yeah, the Savoy area,

684
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:40.079
the Savoy State Forest, there's some really interesting accounts. I

685
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.960
took one once where they had a sighting of something

686
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:49.719
by Balanced Rock and Savoy State Forest. That was pretty cool. Also,

687
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.320
have you ever heard of anything happening over by the Kabbin.

688
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.920
I've heard, in fact, I think it was on York

689
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.800
Show that I've heard it, but I would doubt it.

690
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.679
I used to go fishing at the Quabbin all the time,

691
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:04.800
and you've got to walk miles if you're not getting

692
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.199
a boat, if you're fishing off the shore, it would

693
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.679
be a half hour forty minute walk from the road

694
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:14.800
to the to the bank in thick woods. And I

695
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.800
always found it fascinating. You know, here in New England

696
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:20.679
you have middle of the woods, you have old stone walls,

697
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.960
you know, from when they were farms, because you know,

698
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:30.719
after the Revolution, this whole state was pretty much stripped

699
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.400
in farm fields. It was after the Manifest Destiny when

700
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.719
a lot of people went west to claim land. They

701
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:41.639
abandoned their farms and the forest started growing back up

702
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.039
around those farms. So you'd be out in the middle

703
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.239
of the woods and you see a foundation for a house,

704
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:48.800
stone walls, you know, And I always thought it was

705
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:50.840
kind of odd that I'd be walking out into the

706
00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:53.559
woods and quabing and here's a stone wall in the

707
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:56.360
middle of nowhere. You know, later on I found out why.

708
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.480
But I was looking around and thinking this would definitely

709
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.559
be an area where something could stay undetected. Yeah, because

710
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.719
they don't have open hunting season. There's restrictions not being

711
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:11.440
there after dark. They do do a special hunt when

712
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:15.079
the deer population gets too thick, but pretty much that

713
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.800
area is untouched, you know, other than people going fishing

714
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.280
on the quaba and people going nature hiking. But it's

715
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:28.039
not like it's not like downtown Springfield. There's not a

716
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:29.239
lot of people around.

717
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:35.280
There, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, a little a little different.

718
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.239
It is a it's a really cool area. I've had

719
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:43.239
reports from all man really all sides of it, public

720
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:49.000
and private reports. Man, Gary, thank you so much for

721
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.000
coming on the show. I really hope that you are

722
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:58.000
able to have your another sightings as you're desiring to have,

723
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:02.679
so hopefully that happens to you. I mean, you've had

724
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.360
so many experiences already. And and also another thing you

725
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:10.360
mentioned that you have your background too, like your Native

726
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:15.559
American heritage. I think that does play deep into things sometimes.

727
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.800
My mother was Native. She's passed away since. But my

728
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:22.920
dad was a hillbilly or is a hillbilly still alive?

729
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:27.280
God really shouldn't say, was my actual father my birth father.

730
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:34.159
It's a weird combination, but yeah, And I mean I

731
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:36.960
didn't grew up in a reservation. I don't have that

732
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.559
much other than what my grandfather taught me that much

733
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:48.320
knowledge of my heritage. For all intensive persons. I grew

734
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.519
up a white kid in the cities, you know, even

735
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.960
though I was you know, and I learned at a

736
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:58.360
young age to just hide that part of my my

737
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:03.440
what's the word I'm trying to think of that aspect

738
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:08.440
of who I was, because you get a lot of crap,

739
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.400
you know. Yeah, when I was a kid and I

740
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.039
live in Pittsburgh. Well do you live in a tpee?

741
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:17.239
And I'm like, I live right down the street from you.

742
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.880
We haven't used tps in a long time. Why isn't

743
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.480
your hair lung? And is your dad hot? Buffalo? And

744
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.559
like my dad's white like you, you know, like at

745
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:28.880
place i've seen buffalo is in a buffalo farm. But

746
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:32.159
you know, you get a lot of crap and a

747
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.360
lot of derogatory terms slung you away, and you learn

748
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.800
to just keep your mouth shut and only tell your

749
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:42.519
closest friends you know, about your heritage. But yeah, I

750
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:49.840
do believe that, like you were saying, there's something about

751
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:57.639
native blood that just brings these things to you. Yeah,

752
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.119
I mean, you know, I've had ultiple sightings. If I

753
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:03.639
was sitting on the outside listening to my story, I'd

754
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.800
be like, that guy's nuts. He's seeing things now, And

755
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.719
there's going to be fool that say that. You know, Yeah,

756
00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:14.360
you know, you know, it's not a story of habituation

757
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:16.880
or anything like that. I've just seen things. Most of

758
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:18.519
the time. I just happened to be in the right

759
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:21.000
place at the right time. It wasn't like I was

760
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.639
out there looking for these things all the time, but

761
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.000
they show up. And it's funny because like my grandma

762
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.079
used to tell us about the booger man all the time.

763
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:33.079
And she was originally from punk Satani, Pa where the

764
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:39.679
groundhog and she moved to that area and met my

765
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.320
grandfather in that area. My family had lived there for

766
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:46.119
like generations. They built three houses in that neighborhood. But

767
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:48.800
you know, it was like a matter of fact to her.

768
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:53.880
You know, it was as real to her as the

769
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:58.039
wild dogs and the deer and all that other stuff.

770
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:04.840
But I kicked myself absolutely. I wish I'd asked her

771
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.639
more questions about that. And it's like you always think

772
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:12.239
that you got forever and then somebody's gone. It's like

773
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:16.360
I should have said something while they're still there. I know.

774
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.679
That is if anyone is going to take anything away

775
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:26.280
from this, it's what you just said that literally, we

776
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.679
all in life think we have more time with people

777
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:32.039
and they can be gone extremely quick.

778
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.880
At my age, that is a reality. I'm losing more

779
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:41.920
people in my family than i'm gaining. You know, I'm sixty. Yeah, yeah,

780
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:46.199
that's that's my experience. It wasn't until I started like

781
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.320
talking to the guys at Squatstachusetts and hearing about all

782
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.559
the different that I'm like, oh, okay, so it's not

783
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.679
as far affected as I thought it was, you know.

784
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.559
And it's funny because I got it T shirt from

785
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.079
squad Sst. Chusetts and it's a bigfoot at the base

786
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.239
amount Holyoke with that summit view at the top, and

787
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.360
I'm like, oh, that's where I saw what I saw.

788
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:12.400
I was like, okay, okay, not that I was. I

789
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.360
don't know if it's based on a real sighting, but

790
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.480
it was just interesting that I saw that shirt and

791
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:21.800
I'm like okay. And then you hear there you go,

792
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.400
you know, and you're like at a sportsman club. I

793
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.199
used to belong to a sportsman you'll hear stuff that

794
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:30.920
you know people aren't gonna you know, you're sitting there

795
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.599
having a few beers and they're like yeah. I saw

796
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:39.880
like multiple trail campics of Cougar's hearing masks where they

797
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:48.840
say there aren'ts yes, and it's like, oh, what is this?

798
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.159
And I mean, yeah, people can fake that stuff and everything,

799
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:55.239
but these guys they weren't publicizing this stuff. They weren't

800
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:59.159
looking to get anybody's approval. They just be sitting there

801
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:00.719
and they pop their phone not and be like, yeah,

802
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.920
I got this on my trail cam. And it's funny

803
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:05.559
because when I first moved up here and I first

804
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:10.559
started hunting mask wildlife, was like adamant that there are

805
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.199
no coyotes in this area. You're not seeing coyotes. Those

806
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.840
are koy dogs and you can't swing a tree without

807
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.679
So it's like, yeah, just because you say something doesn't exist,

808
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:27.559
doesn't mean it don't exist. If I seen a panther, no,

809
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:31.320
but I know enough people that they've spent time in

810
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.599
the woods, they know what they're looking at. They didn't

811
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:35.960
see a house cat. It was like the pictures you

812
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:38.679
see of people taking pictures of cougars in their backyard

813
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:41.960
and you zoom in and it's a house cat, just

814
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:45.559
a rather large house right exactly. Yah.

815
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:50.199
Yeah, Yeah, there are definitely things out in the woods

816
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:54.440
of New England, for sure, and I appreciate you being

817
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:58.960
one of the individuals that can come forward and share

818
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.519
about places we really haven't heard a lot on the show.

819
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:05.320
But Gary, thank you so much for coming on and

820
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.679
for spending some time today to share what you've experienced

821
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:11.079
over the years.

822
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.119
Well, thank you. No, I really and I'm not into

823
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:18.840
public speaking, and after doing like a couple of podcasts,

824
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:23.800
I really wasn't looking to do another one. But listen

825
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.119
to your show. You're from the area, and I figured

826
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:31.039
i'd share my sightings with you. Since you're always looking

827
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.599
for Massachusetts in New England.

828
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:36.760
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

829
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.039
around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, Man, I

830
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:42.920
would love to get out in those woods and experience

831
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:47.480
it for myself. Well, guess what, this year you can

832
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.079
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

833
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:56.039
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

834
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.280
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

835
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.880
even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll

836
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:06.639
be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll

837
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:12.159
probably I'll say this, there may be stuff you haven't

838
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:18.400
heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

839
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:20.519
you just got to be there. We'll leave it that

840
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.320
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

841
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:28.519
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

842
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:33.519
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

843
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.679
not only go to the festival, but you can also

844
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:44.280
sign up for a track deep in the Wild forest

845
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:49.039
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot Spots

846
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.960
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

847
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:56.679
up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed

848
00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:59.880
for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is

849
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:03.039
Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

850
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:06.280
It's just trust it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

851
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:11.400
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

852
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:16.039
dot com and listeners can use the code b sp

853
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like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two

854
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:23.800
day pass for the price of a one day pass.

855
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:28.920
So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

856
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:35.039
that you guys can can get a little a little

857
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:38.400
help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope

858
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:41.679
to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year.

859
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.039
We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk

860
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:47.800
to so many people last year and the year before.

861
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.559
It is an incredible time. You're not going to want

862
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:55.840
to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we

863
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.360
wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to

864
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.760
a very specific group of liststeners. If you're in the military,

865
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:05.559
any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that

866
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.440
no one can explain, or if you're a National park

867
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:11.719
ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

868
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.599
or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down

869
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.199
on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a

870
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:22.159
federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something

871
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.840
you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic,

872
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.280
or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

873
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.320
tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging

874
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.159
industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with

875
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.119
government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never

876
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:44.079
told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

877
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.639
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

878
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.400
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

879
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.679
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

880
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.159
that shook your faith, or if you work in the

881
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:01.920
shadows CIA, NSA or anything clearance and you've seen what

882
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:05.519
the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you

883
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:11.360
even if it's anonymous, you can reach me at Bigfoot

884
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:14.639
Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear

885
00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:19.519
what you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone.

886
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:23.000
You've got the story, We've got the mic.

887
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:25.280
See you in the woods.

888
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:27.960
Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot

889
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.039
Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the

890
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:34.119
world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that

891
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:36.800
the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line.

892
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.159
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899
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900
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.440
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901
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.159
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902
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908
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909
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.960
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910
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.800
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911
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:37.440
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