A Northern Wisconsin Landowner Describes The Creature Watching Him Build In The Woods

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Jack today. Jack is an individual I got connected to and a little bit of background information for Jack. He's a twenty two year combat infantry vet. Thank you for your service to our country.

0:46 Jack, Thank you. We've got some really interesting things to go over today that Jack has experienced. I'll let him share the details for that. But Jack, is there anything else that we would need to know about you for context before we get into things. No, I'm just an ordinary guy that had quite the quite the experience. That's pretty much it. Absolutely and it's just the wildest thing where this phenomenon keeps happening to people that are just ordinary people. You can really think of any profession, and there have been individuals in that profession that I have had encounters. Jack, feel free to take us back to when you first started realizing that you were having an experience that was out of the ordinary.

1:43 Regarding this, okay, well, kind of start out with. You know, for years, I've put away money to buy a piece of land to retire on, and I decided to buy a piece of land out in Wisconsin, and I check them all Nicole National Forest in Wisconsin, and so after I was pretty excited I was able to get this piece of land in such an area that I brought. You know, I didn't have anything. I didn't have any camping gear or any of that stuff. And my grandmother years ago told me, if you feel like you're being watched, you probably are anyway. So I going up there, and I took the car and I slept in the car that night just because I wanted to be there, and always had this feeling the whole time that I was being watched. It was kind of weird. I didn't think nothing of it, but that little feeling saved me and I rack a couple times. Anyways, I went back again.

2:44 This time I had a little pop up trailer, second time I ever put it together. And one of the nights I was kind of sleeping. It was first night, and I noticed that the door was opened to the pop up. I you know, obviously had to get up. It was kind of cold, and I heard this roar, and I but I'm not scared of anything, but that scared me. Man only scares me. Man doesn't scare me. It's God scares me. This thing terrified me. And it was probably I'm guessing fifty seventy five meters away from where this sound was, and it was a roar that I just couldn't get out of them out of my head.

3:30 And I didn't think anything about after that. Very first thing I said when that happened was is what was that? Just like everybody else said as far as I can understand on all the videos. But anyways, I didn't think nothing of it, kind of made jokes about it and everything. And I'm one of those guys that, you know, I totally dissed people that believed in bigfoot or anything like that. I you know, I think it was a bobo, the squatcher or something. I kind of was like, pooh, pooh did whatever. I thought it was a joke. Anyways, so I did some mess in kind of investigating. I was trying to I went on YouTube, and I was looking for all the sounds in that area that any kind of creatures would make, and I couldn't find anything. I even talked to some guys at work and oh, that's probably coyotes, and no, I know what a coyote sounds like. Anyway, so I it was about three hours of listening to audios for different creatures and finally I looked up bigfoot sounds and I found one that was almost identical but not quite identical, and it was the top five bigfoot sounds.

4:44 It was the fourth one, and it was this is long how except for the how that I heard was extremely loud, sounded me and at the end of the how it was kind of sounded like it was frustrated, if that makes any sense. So but I didn't think of anything of that, so I just kind of went down whatever not even didn't even think about it then. And so anyway, so that was that was one year, and then the following year. I think this was two years ago. I know it was it two years ago. It was last year, and I was putting together a privy and outhouse and I kind of was just after after it, guess because I want to live on a thing and I got to have a place to do my thing to build. Anyways, so i was just kind of scanning the woods and I'm kind of on an old Indian path. This is kind of an extra it's an Indian path. It was crazy. It's how the trees are bent over and then they kind of grow up, and it's kind of an in the old Indian market.

5:43 They're about over well over one hundred and some years old. My brother pointed out most of them. I just saw too, and he just looked right up. Anyways, going back to that, so there's a water there's a water access on my on my land there. I just kind of scanned the woods a little and just it took a little break from building the privy, and I saw a black image kind of behind some dead fall, and I looked closely at it. I wasn't sure. It looked like it looked like a stump, a black stump with strange bark on it. And I just thought, well, maybe that's just disease, maybe it's just rotting. Didn't think anything of it after that until and I was thinking, wait a minute later on, I kind of got on some videos this, you know, because now my interest is peaked. And after you know, I just carried on with that and didn't think anything of it and then went back. I would say it was about June of last year, June or July, and I thought as I was building, I was building an outdoor shower at this point, and I took a little stop and I thought, wow, you know, maybe I should go over and take a look at that black stump, just to make sure, you know, because and I looked over in that area, and that black stump had moved on the other side of the dead fall. That's when I and it was still kind of behind some brush,

7:16 but not much of a brush. And I thought that thing moved, and I looked closer at it, and I kept looking closer at it, and when I saw an eyeball and I saw two eyes looking this is the process how it happened. I saw that I saw it would be the left eye, and then I saw the right eye, and they were as clear as day and I and then I saw the reflection off a cheek and it was black. It was a black skin. And then it started all coming together and it looked like a stump. The it it looked. It looked young. I don't know if it was a female or a male, but it was kind of sitting on its haunches a little bit on its heels, just watching me. That's what it was doing. It was watching me build. And I took a good look at this thing. And I always told these guys before this happened, I said, yeah, if I see a big foot, i'll dis wave at it, you know. Well, I looked, and I made sure I was made sure what I was looking at before I moved away, not looking at it, and sure it was incredible.

8:26 And I reached down for my phone in my pocket really fast to get a picture, and lo and behold, my phone isn't there. It's on the table about, you know, twenty thirty feet away. And I thought, okay, this thing, by the time I move, it's going to get up and move. Well, I grabbed my phone and I figured this out out my whole actions. I think I was in shock because of my following actions, and I grabbed the phone and I zoomed to where this black image was and I just started hitting the button as fast as I could. And that was this kind of hoped some that would come out out of that, and what I should have done is not zoom and just started taking pictures. Now that I see all the pictures, and I just thought and I was and it was towards the end of the day where I was needed to get pack everything up and head home because I had so much time and had to get going. Well, I just thought, Okay, I'm going to take pictures of this thing and I'm going to continue on and I'm not going to scare it because I think I figured out how to draw it in so I didn't want to provoke it or let it know that I saw it.

9:30 So after that, I kind of just packed up my things and I left and and then I I kind of started watching more videos, going over more videos, and it was like, wait a minute, you can honestly see you know, you can tell who's actually seen one and who hasn't, you know, and you can and it's just and they end their videos and then you see some of the videos where it's obvious it's fake. And then there's something that's obvious that this is something. Unfortunately my photos that it's kind of the closest one I got, The clearest one I got is you can it's kind of a slightly blurry image where you can see the cheekbone and you can see the eye socket and one eye, but it's not clear. So I can't even I don't.

10:17 I won't even post that. But I figured out how I drew it in because it's it happened twice and when I was using it, I was using an impact branch or an impact drill where it would make a weird click sound at the end of the drill, and I did hundreds of those, and I think that's why I came in to basically sit back and watch me build this these things, and so so I can't wait to get back there this year and try it out and see, you know, see if I can draw them back out and this time get a better picture. It's not much of a story, but that's my. Story, and I think that's an incredible account. My goodness. I do definitely have some questions for you.

11:00 Yeah, shoot them please. So you're you're looking at it it's sitting on its haunches. It looks like a black stump at first. How tall would you say that black stump type? Well, it's it's hard for me to to determine how tall it was because it was the distance. The distance I would say was probably fifty meters, and I would say, I'm just this is just a guess. I would say if it was sitting on its haunches, I'd say it was probably about six foot tall from sitting on its haunches, but I'm not absolutely positive. I got to go out to that tree and market, and because there's it was by some trees, I could market and see about where it was sitting on its haunches.

11:44 Okay, gotcha. Fifty meters is about the length of I think two tennis courts. Yeah, yeah, it was. It wasn't It wasn't very far away at all, you know, And that's it was. Honestly, it was about four to fifty meters away from me. And and you know, like I said, I think I was in shock because I could havesh I should have just sat there and just started taking pictures of it because the eyes were clear as day. Yeah, that's it was amazing I've never ever have thought that I would be one of them people that saw bigfoot in my entire life. So anyways, yeah, that's kind of that's kind of my you know, I've just been doing research and now I've been you know, looking for organizations to go to to find, you know, speak to other people and see what they've found. And I've you know, kind of burnt out on the videos. I just want to speak to some humans, but actually who actually have seen this and experienced this with me, because I feel alone. You know, there's nobody really to talk to except for my wife.

12:54 And she doesn't think I'm crazy at all, so. Which that's a plus. I I thanked her for not I thanked her for not you know, not berating me. Yeah, but yeah, so she's very supportive. And I told her, I says, if you watch, I'll try to draw it in. I warned her, says, if you see it, please don't run and don't scream, don't do anything. How long do you think, time wise, you were able to see it there in front of you. If I was able to, I probably could have sat there.

13:35 If I had time, I could have sat there the whole time and waited for it to get up and walk away. I mean, it was Cleena's day. I like I said, I didn't want to spook it and not come back. So that was kind of my thinking. But there was so many things going through my head when that happened, you know, it was I wasn't sure how to make a clear decision if I should just make sure if I got proof of this. But my thought, my thought process was, well, once I take pictures of this and then look at the pictures, then I could absolutely be absolutely positive that this is not I'm not crazy, right. Oh yeah, Well, and the pictures so you know, because it kind of you can kind of see when I walked away, it turned its head, so I got a I got a photo of it on the kind of a side, just a little bit of an angle of the face, so I zoomed in too closely and pretty much gotcha. Yeah.

14:30 So the actual the actual amount of time that you did that you were able to have eyes on, would you say it was like a minute less than a minute? Oh? What I actually had eyes on was a broad about maybe a minute and a half two minutes wow. Because I just had to convince myself that I was seeing what I was seeing, because make sure I make sure I was convinced, make sure I was convinced of what I was seeing. Yeah, and I was absolutely positive of what I saw, but I needed photos to confirm this and be able to show someone, look, I'm not crazy, this is what I saw. Well, it's again blurry photos. So I don't speak to anybody really about it. I told a couple of family members, but that's about it, and my wife. And again, I guess there's a Bigfoot Society meeting or something like that in October and something in Wisconsin. That's where I'll be. I'll be heading there.

15:28 Oh cool, Yeah, it's got to be some kind of Bigfoot conference. I would I would imagine up there. That's pretty cool. I have to look into that. Do you remember any details about the eyes themselves? The eyes? Yes, Oh yeah, jeez, it's gonna it's gonna sound kind of weird. But the eyes. You can see all the way the white all the way around the eyes. Because when I was looking at it, it was looking at me like it was surprised that I noticed it. That was the expression on its face. Does that make any sense? Yeah? So when you so you could tell it was surprised.

16:10 How could you tell it was surprised by the eyes. Itself, because the eyes were so wide, they were wide open. I could see white all the way around. Interesting. Yeah, And then and the nose. The nose was kind of a how would you say, it was like a regular nose, but it was flat. It wasn't an eight nose. It was a human nose, but flatter, if that makes any sense. The skin was black. I could see the sun reflect off its cheekbone. That's how I was able to put it all together. Once I had the eyes, and then I hit the cheekbone, and you can you can see the fore I saw the forehead. There wasn't any reflection on the forehead, but it was you can see there was a you know, no skin on the forehead.

16:57 The mouth was kind of I didn't really get a glad or glimpse at the mouth because I was so phyxiated on the eyes because I mean, when something's looking back at you like that, it's okay, what are you gonna do? You know? You know? So, yeah, that's that's that's about what I have. You know, Like I said, it was sitting on its hatches, arms were kind of on its knees and it was it looked like a big black stump with weird bark on it. And it was lumpy. That was the other one that was lumpy. That was the first time I noticed it was lumpy. I'm like, well, that's some weird that's a weird looking tree and bark because it's kind of lumpy and it had weird black bark on it. And then again the last time it was lumpy, black bark with eyeballs. Wow. Yeah, yeah.

17:52 The eyes did they have a certain color to them? You know, you guys, I see these old red eyes or no, it was just regular eyes. This this this was an ape. This was a forest ape the best way I can describe it. I mean, you would have to be that big to be able to take on the wilderness, you know, bears and moose and all that. But no, there was no red eyes. There was no green eyes. It was just I couldn't tell you the color of the eyes. I know they were black, but if I got closer you could probably see, you know, I'm guessed they were probably brown. I don't know, gotcha. Did you notice if they were if the one eye was far away from the other one, or were they close in proximity.

18:38 They weren't far away, you know, you know, they were kind of like a normal face. They weren't very far apart. They were just kind of a normal looking, you know, normal they were putting in the right place. It wasn't oddly together, oddly separated. It was just a normal face. But it was. It was not I guess it was. It wasn't a human face because it obviously couldn't have been a human face, but it was kind of a human face. That makes sense, No. It absolutely does. You know, based on other things that I've heard over the years, were there any details about the face that really made it jump out that, Okay, this is an ape like face that I'm looking at right now that.

19:28 Really jumped out? Nothing? Uh, I don't know how. No, it was no, not nothing that jumps out. It was. It was just a black face. You know. It wasn't harry. It wasn't a hairy face, but it was kind of hairy around the mouth area and but not really you know, it was kind of a beard, but it was a big beard. And the only place where there wasn't hair was on the cheekbones and on the forehead and on the nose. Okay, I've seen I've seen drawings and it was like, you know, which number one to one through twenty or whatever. And one I saw was number sixteen and it had round but it had rounder eyes. And I don't know. It's if you've done any research. I didn't, you know, kind of catch it here and there online. Okay, I've done so much surfing. It's crazy. Oh I bet.

20:26 I mean it seems that after you have an experience like this, you either jump in head first or years. I don't want anything to do with this ever again. Yeah, yep, And I was. I was, you know, the first two times I was in denial completely not not completely, but I'm still curious. And then the third time, I'm absolutely positive. I'm I'm dumbfound at that you know that this isn't unknown species after doing after doing all the surfing on net, I'm not the only one. There's other people that have seen these things do so I don't really feel totally alone about it, but still I need I need somebody to talk to about it. Absolutely.

21:14 Did you have any electronics on you the first time when you went out there? Electronics on me? Well, just my phone. There's there's no internet service out there. There's no phone service. It's literally in the middle of nowhere, gotcha. And the phone was turned on. Yeah, the phone was turned on, but it was in my camper the first time. I well, the first time I saw something, so I didn't even bother taking a picture. But this time it was on the workbench where I was, you know, putting things together, and I didn't have it in my pocket. That's true, So maybe I just want to double check. So the first time that you saw the stump slash, well bigfoot, that phone was not on.

21:59 Your person, correct, No, No, it wasn't that. Was there anything else on your person that would have been electronic? No, absolutely nothing interesting. I had a drill and a battery operated drill. That's it, Okay, it is. Are there any other things that you've noticed on the property that would tell you evidence that you might have something else on this property with you besides the vision that you had? Well, yeah, it was when I first looked at this piece of land. There was an old hard side trailer in there, and it was in the license plate. Last time anybody was there was nineteen eighty nine, and I didn't think anything about it until after I saw. What I saw is that there was a tree that was next to it. The trailer was like halfway. I mean, the tree was like halfway halfway in the trailer, and it looks like that tree fell on that trailer square on.

23:11 So so the trailer was on its left side or the tree was on its left side, and somehow this tree fell on this trailer and it had to have moved in order for that tree to land like that, it had to have been directly behind the trailer, and it wasn't. It was on the left hand side of the trailer. And I didn't think anything of it, but I get it now. I think somebody had a tree fell on that trailer for who knows what reason and left never came back. But like I said, the tree way it fell, it was impossible for it to land the way it landed, if that makes anything any But that's to look back at that that wasn't you know?

24:02 It was kind of a weird coinkydink the way the tree fell on this thing, because it would literally have to how would you say, move back and over five feet to land on this tree or land on the trailer right, So who knows. But again I look I put it all together, and I heard that sound and it was a roar. It was a definite roar, but it sounded like it was like disappointed somebody's there or something of the sort. So, and that was super close. That was that scared me. That scared me. And that's when I realized I didn't even have a butter knife to defend myself to leave any DNA. So I stayed up.

24:48 I stayed up the rest of the night waiting for the because the store was about an hour away and I was and it opened at seven, so I waited until six o'clock in the morning. This was about I don't know, two three o'clock in the morning when it happened, and I ran to the store and I got myself a machete just in case. Sure, yeah, absolutely, are there any Are there any neighbors close to the property, And if yes, have you talked to them? Been like, hey, you having any weird stuff happened around here? I do have a neighbor, and I haven't had the opportunity to speak to her. I see her, she's driving.

25:32 She drives whenever I'm there, she's driving some white truck driving by. So but this year I will go up to her house and knock on the door. She is a permanent residence there, and it would be kind of a rough life up there because it's pretty deep in the middle of nowhere. But I will go to speak with her. I'm not sure if I'm going to bring up the big foot thing right away, you know, I just want to introduce myself to her first and maybe maybe ask her if she's heard anything strange. Yeah, exactly, sounds like it sounds like a good idea. You mentioned something really interesting that you experienced after this, uh, this visual that you had, and you you started to realize that you can tell a difference between people that say that they've seen it and really haven't and people that have really really seen it and they definitely have.

26:27 Can you can you explain what that means? Yeah, I'll try to do the best I can with that. It's it's a tone of voice. It's an excitement tone in the voice when they've when you actually have seen it. That's kind of it's hard to describe it, you can. You know, you get on the videos and you hear people talk and it's like the people get too in depth, really too highly detailed, where they're really trying to push that they've actually seen it, and you have people that are kind of, you know, kind of I would you say a little more excited, a little more straightforward to the story and and how I can pick it out kind of had that job in the service also, yeah, again again, so sometimes people get way too detailed. They start going into their entire life story and it's like, we really don't want to hear this. I just want to hear what happened, you know. That's what I'm thinking of the videos.

27:32 I get it, and that's actually something I picked up something similar to that when I first went out to Oregon and was able to talk to a lot of people face to face. You're like, Okay, now I get it. Like yeah, absolutely, my goodness. So so you know what I'm you know what I'm talking I know what. You're talking about hundred percent. Yeah, yes, I sure do. So you are You're at the point where would you say, later this year twenty twenty, you're going to start building more on this property. Well, this year I am going to I gotta I have a I've got a lot of trees that are felling and I gotta chop them up. And all that this year, and I'll put up a gate, just a couple of little odds and ends this year. But yeah, as soon as the snow melts, because I think right now we got about four feet where the property is four or five feet and there's more coming, so it'll be next thaw, I'll be able to get out there, and I mean i'll do, you know, do some of my work, but I'll definitely sit down and put some time on the side to try to call them in see if I can. It's crazy, I mean, it sounds yeah with the drill. I mean people I saw people using a baseball bat on a tree or hooting and hollering or something like that. I don't know if they work, I don't know, but I know for a fact that this drill, well not for a fact that I know this drill could be one of the things that have drawn it in. I mean, I can't imagine why anything else would come in and sit there and watch, you know, be entertained with the drill because it makes a weird

29:05 sound when every time you have you know, you screw up, put a screw in. It's it's such a strange thing, but it is a pattern that I've I've seen in other ways where you know, there was an individual on the Olympic Peninsula that was able to bring them in with uh with a bagpipe. And it also sometimes maybe it's just a sound that they're not used to and so they're extremely curious about it. Who knows, right, But have you heard that drill sound in the woods around your property outside of you using the drill? No, okay, gotcha. It'd be interesting if you ever start to hear that. Sometimes that will happen like a weird mimicry type deal. Really, Oh yeah, yeah, that I've had that reported. Have you ever experienced anything on the property that is weird but you're like, it's definitely not bigfoot related, but it's still just doesn't make sense.

30:04 Nothing that I can think of right now. Cool, nothing like that, however, I did, you know, not on the property, but I took a little hike. I won't go in the woods anymore where I'm at without a without a firearm anymore. But I took a little walk up to the north at North and there was some trees falling over, and I kind of watching some videos and the squatchers were pointing out how their crisscrossed and the branches, and I noticed that before I even saw the videos, and I just thought, Wow, how did those trees end up like that? That's kind of weird, how wind blows them over and how they glinky inkly interlock each other. And then I started watching these videos and went, oh, this kind of makes sense.

30:48 Now, Well, you have an interesting situation going on your property, for sure, Jack, It'll be interesting to see what happens. Do you how are you how are you viewing things there? Are you just trying to figure out how to live with whatever is there? Or or how are you viewing this now? Oh? I'm just gonna I'm just gonna live with it. I I hope he shows up or he or she or whatever it is shows up, and you know, I'll I don't you know, I don't kill anything. I won't shoot anything anymore. I won't do any of that anymore.

31:30 I just want to live together within peace, you know, and whatever it is can come around and look and see and do whatever. Just don't break anything or you know. That's kind of my thought about this whole situation. I want to you know, live and let live, and I don't want people to come into the area and start disturbing the area looking for you know, Bigfoot or Sasquatch or whatever they want to call it, because I just, you know, I think they should live in peace, and honestly, I I think there needs to be some sort of protection at something something. Yeah, trust me, I was not a believer at all at all, and I am now.

32:15 I'm not a believer. I'm a witness and it's kind of I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse, you. Know, I think that's a great way to put it, as it can be looked at that both ways. But Jack, thank you so much for coming on the show today. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you're wanting to share about your experience. Yes, and I will let you know if I run into any other issues. You know, this year or this summer. Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it myself. Well guess what this year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool.

33:09 Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's gonna be even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot Spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal. It's just trust it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla

34:43 for giving me that code so that you guys can can get a little a little help with the costs there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can tell about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about.

35:40 And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense, if you're in the logging industry, on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts, and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a while life specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance, and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

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