March 5, 2026

A Southwest Oregon Man Shares His Terrifying Close-Range Sasquatch Encounter

A Southwest Oregon Man Shares His Terrifying Close-Range Sasquatch Encounter
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Season 1

In this episode, we delve into the extraordinary experiences of Mark from southwest Oregon, whose life was permanently changed by a late-night encounter on a snowy mountain road near Grants Pass. What first appeared to be a small tree standing along a ridge revealed itself to be something towering, powerful, and far too close for comfort. That moment in the late 1980s set the course for decades of reflection, research, and unexpected encounters across some of the most active wilderness corridors in the Pacific Northwest.


Living near the Applegate and Rogue River regions, Mark shares how reports quietly surfaced over the years from hunters, firefighters, law enforcement, and everyday outdoorsmen who trusted him enough to speak. He recounts a recent investigation near Butte Falls involving thermal imaging, night vision, and his 165-pound wolf hybrid, where the forest seemed to move with intention and the night carried sounds that still defy explanation.


From repeated 3AM vocalizations near Wolf Creek and Glendale, to unsettling activity in the Diamond Lake region and Highway 138 corridor, Mark paints a vivid picture of southern Oregon as a place where something continues to operate just beyond the edges of certainty. He also reflects on the stranger elements reported by credible witnesses—anomalous lights, missing time, and phenomena that challenge simple classifications.


Mark’s grounded, thoughtful perspective brings weight to every detail. His story spans decades, terrain, and testimony, offering a rare look into ongoing activity in one of the most compelling regions for Sasquatch reports in the country.


Join us as we explore Mark’s experiences and the enduring mystery unfolding in the forests of southwest Oregon.



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You're listening to Bigflat Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society. You've got

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the privilege of talking to mister Mark Horband today from

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down there in southwest Oregon. As we were just saying,

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it's always well, it's a privilege to be able to

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talk to someone from down there. We don't get a

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lot of individuals from that area on the show. But

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welcome to the show. Mark. How are you doing today, sir?

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Good good? Thank you.

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Absolutely a little bit of info about yourself that I

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think the listeners will find interesting, as you've actually been

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in this I guess you could say, in this field

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in the Bigfoot topic since the eighties. Correct.

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Yeah, and i'd be I'd say, you know, I've had

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that term bigfoot researcher coined to me at one time,

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and I wouldn't really say that, I'd kind of say

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more of a bigfoot enthusiast since back then. And it

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just kind of fell into fell into this actually from

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like I said, that first encounter and then telling people

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about it and had people approach me since then, and

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it's just one thing after another kind of i worked

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at a hospital for thirty seven years and I've had doctors,

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you know, come up to me. I've had them. I've

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had people sitting down at lunch at the hospital before

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telling me, you know, my story and a couple of

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people laugh. And then next thing, you know, I've got

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a doctor talking to me that you know, went on

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a hight and had a experience. So it was just

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kind of been that over the years, and and uh

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lately it's just been compounding. More and more people have

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approached me, and more and more things have happened, you know.

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So and before we get into that's interesting because that

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is a thing that's been on my mind too, because

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it seems to be discussed a lot in the community.

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Do you think that it's just because people are getting

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more comfortable with sharing and it's becoming more acceptable or

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or why do you think that could be.

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Kind of you know, and I noticed, I don't know

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if it's me too. I'm approachable and my wife said

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that before, you know, I'm kind of uh, not a

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I don't know, a no nonsense type thing. A lot

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of people don't want to. I noticed that that when

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they talk to me, a lot of people don't want

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that misnomer of being crazy, you know, so they there's

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a there's a fine line there. I'm finding out where

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people are telling me things that are I've had some

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very rational people tell me some very crazy things, and

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then the other the exact opposite too. So I think

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it's the people that do know that they're not they're

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they're they're very very rational or very yeah, like I said,

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doctors and stuff like that. Police, Uh, that don't I

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don't know if they don't want to be associated with

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that or not. But the more stuff that's been coming out,

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I think people are starting to feel a little more

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comfortable with that, knowing that you know, no, you're not crazy.

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This this this is happening, and something we need to

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try to figure out what it is and explain some

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of this stuff, you know.

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One hundred percent. Yeah, I totally agree with you on that, Mark.

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Let's let's go ahead and would would you would you

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be able to take us back to that time back

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in the eighties when you had that experience and that

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kind of kicked all this off for you.

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high school, and it was probably not quite this time

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of year, but just before the day before winter, and

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me and a friend were trying to go up into

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the snow with his lifted four by four Toyota four

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by four. And I used to do this with all

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the time. We'd go get some beers, go up and

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you know, late at night whatever, and we'd go hit

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try to hit the snow. And this time had him

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and a girl with us, and we had drove this

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was actually out of southern Oregon here way up on

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an old skid road. Got to the end, we got

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up into the snow, got to this the land being

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on the skid road where you'd always find these all

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over down here in southern Oregon. Anyways, little landing a

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turnaround basically, so I'd say, it wasn't more than you know,

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thirty foot round maybe if that. So it got the

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hill going up this way, and the road or the

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hill going down this way, the road coming back this way.

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So it went up and we turned around, parked it

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in the snow, and probably about six seven foot from

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the embankment on this side, which actually would be on

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this side now going down the road. So we parked

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there at the Toyota Park like this. My friend and

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this girl they were rolling around in the snow on

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the other side, on the passenger side of the truck,

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and I was sitting on the driver's side drinking a beer,

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you know. And yeah, I'm drinking a beer, but was

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not drunk. And anyways, so I'm sitting there, just kicking back,

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looking straight up the hill, and I would say maybe

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fifty yards up the hill was the top of the ridge,

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and the moon wasn't directly behind it, but it was

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back enough to where that was lit up, so you

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could see the trees and just dark and then you

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just see the light through the trees, if that makes sense.

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So I'm sitting there and it's very very quiet, very

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quiet night, no wind, and I'm watching this tree I

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just had noticed this movement and it was going like this,

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and it was it looked just like a little Christmas

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tree basically, just literally almost. I actually I really did

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think it was just a tree moving, and I'd say

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it was maybe four or five foot tall. And so

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I sat there and I'm looking at this thing for

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quite a while and it's going just like this, and

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then it would go and it would move.

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You know.

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And back then, I wasn't afraid of nothing in the woods.

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Pretty I didn't care, you know. And I called my

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buddy over and I said, hey, you know, take a

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what the look at that thing. There's something up there

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moving this thing. And he looks at it and goes, yeah,

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you know, and I go, I'm gona go find out

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what it is. So I proceeded a step toward the

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the edge of the bankment there and there was a

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ditch there too, kind of so I had to go

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through that. But I didn't even get to that. I

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probably took maybe two steps and this thing stood up.

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It stood up, and it walked off to the left,

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and for an instant there I was like, who's up here? Yeah,

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that was my first thought was who in the heck

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is up here, you know. And then I'm like, for

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for about a mill asecond, you know, And right then

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this saying had proceeded to start just breaking branches and

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making this bellowing sound, this just warbling, just lur and

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it shook and at the same time it was coming

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down and branches were being thrown pieces of stuff, and

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and I don't know how long, you know. Everybody asked me, well,

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how long you stay? I don't. I don't. I don't remember,

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you know, I remember enough to know that this thing

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was barreling down like almost like a bear does through trees,

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which I've seen tons of that before. But I immediately

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turned my the my buddy, and is the girl. They

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were already in the in the truck, in the passenger

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side and hunkered down in there. I jumped into the

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driver's side, and this was a lifted four by four,

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so I had to climb up in it. Back then,

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in the eighties, you know, everybody had one that was,

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you know, ten foot in the air.

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To have the lights on top.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, future oh yes, yes, yeah, but

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even bigger than that, you know. So uh, I can't

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even remember what size tires that thing out on. It.

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But anyways, I get in that thing and I slammed

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that door, starked at and I mean when I was

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coming in, it felt like this was right on me,

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and it really was, because when I started that, my

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eyes went like this to the window and I could

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see this section. You know, I'm trying to You can't

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really see me, but I'm seeing maybe this section of

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it filled the entire window. You couldn't really see much.

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It was a darkish ray. Maybe I couldn't tell because

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it's so dark. The only thing that's lighting it up

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is my dash the dashlights from me starting that thing,

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putting it in gear, and I took off. And the

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funny part is I vividly remember this part. Like I

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don't know if you you when you're a kid, you

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were watching horror movies and you're watching the movie like this,

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you know where you don't want to see it, and

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that that's kind of how I'm looking at a peripheral

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and I did not want to do this for some reason.

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I just and I didn't, and I hit that took

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off in that car or in that truck, and I remember,

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I don't. This is the part I don't. There's a

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lot of it. I don't trying to piece together because

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of it was sheer panic. I mean, yeah, anyways, it.

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Sorry, well I went in that and I don't know

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if that thing hit the back of the truck or whatever,

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but spun me sideways and I kept that throttle on,

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came back out onto the snow road, and I'm kind

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of lucky we didn't crash, because you know, it was

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a mountain road and full of snow, and I'm pegged,

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you know, I'm young.

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I'm just pegged to get out of there. So after

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that didn't I'm trying to think how many years before

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I went back in the woods. You know, it was

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it was pretty pretty intense, you know. And then I

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started thinking, since then, I've been in the woods riding

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motorcycles and had weird stuff happen, always thought something else,

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and now I'm now now I've second guessed a lot

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of the other stuff that's happened to me before that point,

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you know. Wow. And so I kind of started studying there,

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or you know, looking up these things on it. And

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years later I came across the Sierra Sounds and they

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had almost that exact sound, and other than it didn't

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shake my chest like the real thing. It literally reverberated

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in you like these kids with the stereos, you know,

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just basing it. It's just crazy. But yeah, and like

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I said, I don't know, don't you know, everybody asked me, well,

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what do you think it was doing. It's like, I

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don't know, it didn't care. You know. What I thought

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it was doing was trying to kill me. So you know,

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it was not a it was very harrowing, very yeah.

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I got a few questions for you. That's that's such

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a wild first encounter. So when you saw it stand up,

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how how tall would you estimate that it was?

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Well, I was estimating maybe four to five foot, and

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it was double that when it stood it stood up,

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it was double probably, you know, so you know, nine

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foot maybe. And I tried to kind of guess that

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on the toyota how high that was up and where

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the chest or where the area that I kind of

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thought that I seen of it, And of course it's

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in a there's a ditch there too, So it's if

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it came that it was, I mean we're talking right here,

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you know, I could have just if I had the

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window down. Luckily it wasn't. I could have just touched it,

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and it had to be at least you know, eight

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nine nine foot probably I'm guessing, oh yeah, because it

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was over definitely over the top of the Toyota truck

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which was elevated from this ditch. And it's lifted too,

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So other than that part, it was hard to tell.

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But from the first initial deal when it stood up

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and walked over, like I said, I was guessing that

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might have been about a four to five foot tall

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looking tree. And I really did think it was a

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tree at first. So okay, that's the weird part.

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Right, And that's something you hear, or at least I

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hear every once in a while where it looked like

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a tree, or it merged into a tree, or there's

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something it looked like a stump when it was breaking branches.

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Were you able to see it actually breaking the branches

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or you just started to hear.

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That, just just heard it, didn't didn't see it at

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all other than maybe some movement. You know, it was

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hard because it's pitch black. Were silhouetted from behind, so

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once it stepped out of that lighted area, I guess

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you know, where it was backlit into the foliage. I

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couldn't see, but I could hear and you know, kind

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of see stuff hitting coming down. So apparently it was

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throwing stuff too, which was landing next to the side.

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And I don't know how much stuff. I don't know

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if it was even just one. To me, it was

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everything was coming at me. You know. It was like

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I said, it was not a It was not an

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experience that I could sit there and and oh yeah

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I did this and it just exactly no, I was,

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I'm out of here, you know, I'm it was absolutely terrifying.

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No if and buts about it. You know, yeah, I

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still just to to the day, it just is not

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it's still kind of I get worried. Uh yeah, to

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this day and which which we could get into. The

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next accounter, which was this just this last year wasn't

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quite as harrowing as this, but it was enough to

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put me back in that same spot.

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You know, absolutely when you saw it through the window,

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how close would you estimate that it was to the vehicle?

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Uh right there?

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Oh so feet away, not even.

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Feet away, probably maybe a foot from the It seemed like,

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you know, maybe a foot from the window. If that

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it was right smacked there and I may have actually

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even turned into it inadvertently, just because I'm on the

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edge of that ditch almost. Well, No, we were about

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six feet away, so I had to drive. I think

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I kind of just drove halfway into that thing, and

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that's when I did also go a little bit sideways,

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and I think maybe that might have been That's the

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part where I'm a little bit confused, is I can't

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tell if it hit the back and made me go

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into that ditch because I was we were a little

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ways away from it. But I just remember going into

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that thing, and then luckily it wasn't as deep as

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over here when I did, and I was able to

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just it just rode right back out and kept going.

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The other individuals that were with you, did they notice

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any other details or parts of the encounter that you

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missed because you were trying to drive.

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No, No, they were down in the thing. And the

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one friend I did I never did meet the girl

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since then, don't even remember who can even remember her

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name because it was associated with him, my friend, and

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he never wanted to talk about her anything ever ever again,

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never did never, and and the whole time they weren't

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even upright, they were down, just just basically, you know,

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head down everything in the in the passenger side.

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Last question about about this, Have you ever gone back

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to this area as a enthusiast into bigfoot since that time?

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No, No, actually I have not. I have heard of

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other stories from the same area though, and actually most

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notably one of them was a county commissioner in this area,

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and he he had I actually spoke with him. I

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heard from other people they just said, oh, you need

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to talk to this guy. You need to talk to

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him because he had this same thing. And over the

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years I've heard that and I and I actually finally

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talked with this guy, and his was pretty harrowing too.

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He's he he won't go in that same area ever again.

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You know. Now it's as far as where it's at,

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it's very very close to town where I live here.

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And but yeah, I just have I haven't been up

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I don't know, you know, I would go back up there,

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not by myself. There's a lot of places I won't

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go by actually most of them I am not going

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to go by myself. It took me a long time

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just to even ride my motorcycle around in some of

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these places, you know, And so I did a lot

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of that dirt bike riding and everything. I just that

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was just in my family. But yeah, this place I

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just haven't been and I don't know if it's the

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you know, now, I could probably do it now. It's

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not like I think I could get over that, but

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I just just logistics or something, just haven't been out

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in that area.

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Yeah, it's that whole area of Oregon. You hear a

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lot of really intense stuff out of there, and you know,

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so it's even if it's on I mean, no matter

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what side, I mean over an Applegate that area. I've

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heard stuff that's crazy down there, and then go, that's

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where you're at, right, that's exactly where, Yeah, exactly. And

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then on the other side though, you've got like you

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go into Rogue River stuff and there's wild stuff that

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happens in there too. There's weird, weird stuff that happens

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in there.

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That that's kind of the area where I was. It's, uh,

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there's Grants Pass, there's Rogue River, there's a Whimer area,

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and it's out passed up in that area where this happened.

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And where I'm at, I'm actually right next to the

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Applegate River out here, and I can ride my my backyard.

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I can drive straight up over the ridge and hit

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the Oregon Caves where Matthew Johnson had his thing, and

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and and And that's funny because somebody asked me, well,

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do you do any research behind your house? And I'm like, no,

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I don't want. I almost don't want to. I do

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because it would be convenient, but I almost don't want

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to know if there's something right in my backyard. I

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you know, it's kind of some of the getting into this.

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It's it's, uh, it's interesting, but it's unnerving at the

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same time, and it's it's kind of good step away

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from something like that, just you know, and and I

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and who knows. The more the more I do or something, it's, uh,

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it seems like I'm stepping back into a little more

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with people approaching me and everything. And uh, it's yeah,

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it's still like I said that that that first thing

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was I'm not one of those I know a lot

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of people say, well, you know, they're very they're oh,

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they're mellow, they're not gonna kill you or whatever. Try

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to tell that to somebody that just had something like

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what happened to me to them that it's uh, yeah,

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extremely hair, extremely hair.

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Oh absolutely, my goodness.

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Yeah.

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So then after that, it's so you you did not

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go out in the woods for a while, but then

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there's a point where you start to get more into it.

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You'd become an enthusiast, and you have something even happened

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recently as well as you're saying last year.

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Yeah, yeah, just this summer of this, this twenty twenty five.

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So what happened is well, probably after that first incident,

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you know, know, nothing, nothing, nothing, and then I started

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trying to understand, you know what, what I just just

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happened and seen, and so I started you know, looking

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into it, and and then I started believing some of

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the stories too that I've had heard around this area

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for since I was a kid. That's the funny part too,

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is I remember hearing a lot of them and thinking

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that's crazy. Well, so I, uh, as a result, started

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studying that it started getting more interested in it, and

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then I kind of slowly came out enough to tell people,

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you know, what happened to me, and then people started

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approaching me more and more. I had hunters and I

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had people that I know, you know, and then and

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then I even got into the point of where, you know,

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people tell me, well, you're crazy, and I'm like, no,

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this is what happened. So I'm trying to kind of

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condense this or not. But I years ago. It's actually

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he's nine years old now, I got my daughter, came

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home with a wolf hybrid and a high percentage wolf hybrid.

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He's one hundred and sixty five plus now pounds. So

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I I'm sitting here at home and I have a

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friend of mine that's a hunter that's was into Bigfoot,

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and he came by and said, hey, this guy Greg

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Roberts is having a podcast or on Facebook. He's having

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a town hall. That's what he told me. And before that,

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I actually had went to a bigfoot town hall in

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Cave Junction to just kind of see it. The same

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person got me to go to this, you know, So

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went to that and Greg Roberts was there too. I

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didn't meet him. I probably met him, but I didn't

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really know him, you know then. And that was with

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Scott Violet too from Watch Americas. But anyways, so Greg

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Roberts had this pot this Facebook town hall. Sorry, and

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so I get on there and my friend asked me,

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can you get it on your big screen TV and

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I got a big seventy five inch TV. So he's

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I go, sure, you know, So I screencasted it from

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my phone and we're watching it and he mentions that

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at the Sportsman Show, which is in Medford Outdoor Sportsman Show,

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that he's going to do a wolf talk on wolves.

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So now I'm interested. I'm like, oh wow, cool, I'd

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like to go to that. So I actually commented on there.

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I said, hey, if you need a wolf to show

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people the size, I said, I've got one. That's all

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I did. I commented at Well, he got back to

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me and said, hey, bring him. Well he thought that

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I was going to just bring a little husky, you know,

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So I brought Opa, which is a guy I could

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probably see if I could bring up a picture. He's

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actually sitting over there, laying down behind here, but he uh,

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so I brought him there. At the same time, there's

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there was these Wolves of Yellowstone, which were the wolves

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that are used in Hey on here, I'm gonna look

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for a picture here so we can get something going.

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But oh that's an AI want to hang on? Uh oh, anyways, well,

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there's I made a meme with him and let's see

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if you could see that. So oh nice, Okay, so

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that's kind of you know, that's what he looks like.

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But imagine he's big, big as a great Dane. So anyways,

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I brought him there. They had these wolves of Yellowstone there.

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Didn't know it and anyways, met with Greg. Greg was

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ecstatic and stuff. Well that passed and later on he

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got a hold of me. He had started communicating with

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me on bigfoot. He noticed, you know that I had

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commented on a lot of stuff on bigfoots and his

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page and stuff, and so he approached me with this

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idea that he's said he out in Butte Falls area

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of Oregon, which is not too far from here. He

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had He says that he had a place where it

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was very hot spot for bigfoot activity. Kind of knows

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of a family group is what he says. Up there,

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and he says, hey, I like to take your wolf

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hybrid out there and see just kind of reactions because

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he said, he goes there's there's a wolf pack that's

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known in that area. And that's another thing he does.

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I think he does some tracking for ODFW for wolves,

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so he's very knowledgeable on the wolf packs that are

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in Oregon in the in the Pacific Northwest and anyways,

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so I'm thinking he goes or first, he's saying, would

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you like to take the dog up? We'll go up

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at you know, ten at night and stay till four

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in the morning, and I just want to see how

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he reacts to if we get any kind of encounters,

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you know, of either bigfoot or wolves, you know. So

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I said sure, And I'm thinking at the time, I

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really didn't think any kind of bigfoot thing. I really

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thought wolves. I'm thinking this would be kind of cool,

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that maybe the wolves will start howling and my dog

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will start howling, and maybe they'll come in and we'll

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get some of this, you know, it'll just be just

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be cool, you know. So I really didn't even have

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I you know, I'll admit I didn't even have any

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inkling of the bigfoot thing at all kind of going

453
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.559
up there. Uh And so we had a thermal imager.

454
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:31.640
I brawled one and uh, Greg had a night vision

455
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:35.400
h goggles or something. I can't remember exactly what they were,

456
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:41.839
but I had a monocular axiom thermal imager brought with

457
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.119
us up there, and kind of the same thing. It

458
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.680
was out It was a very very remote area. It

459
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:50.880
took us a long time to get there. Greg was

460
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.000
driving in front of us. I'm driving in my van,

461
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.799
got my brother with me and the dog, and we

462
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.799
had their windows rolled down. And when we started getting

463
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.559
up into this area, just before we got there, I

464
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:04.880
didn't know we were there or getting close to the

465
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:09.799
area yet. My dog started going back and forth through

466
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.519
the windows, just like he's smelling something, and he does

467
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:15.440
that when he gets on a scent, he'll do some

468
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:20.039
strange stuff. And right about then, Greg kind of hits

469
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.359
the skids in front of us, and he stops for

470
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:26.480
a while, and I'm like, what is he doing? Nothing,

471
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.119
you know, and my dog's just really now, just alert.

472
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:33.720
He's just like this. So all of a sudden, Greg

473
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:38.279
takes off and he's driving, and about maybe two corners later,

474
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.480
I think I see something on the side of the

475
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.559
road and I think I see it move, and I'm okay,

476
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.119
is that? And my headlights are shining it and just

477
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.799
kind of turns so and I'm turning this way away

478
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.400
from it. So I didn't get a good look at

479
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:56.559
what it was, and I just dis counted it. So

480
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:00.440
we get up to a first stop where which was

481
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.000
right after that, and Greg gets out and he's like,

482
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.680
did you see that? I see an eyeshine that's where

483
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.559
I stopped. And I'm like, no, I didn't see that.

484
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.400
I go but I did think thought I saw a

485
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.480
shadow on the next corner pass where you stopped. And

486
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:17.960
he goes, well, that's interested he goes. He goes, I

487
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.880
probably got a bigfoot on the brain. And I'm thinking

488
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.319
the same thing. You know, he's he's got bigfoot on

489
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:28.200
the brain, you know. So we kept going and it

490
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.559
was probably another mile or two up to the spot

491
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.039
that he had stopped, and it was almost the same

492
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:37.599
thing like I described earlier, just just the end of

493
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:40.000
the road type of landing, very very short landing. So

494
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:43.079
we turned around, had my van parked right up right

495
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:46.559
up next to the bank, headed downhill. His car was

496
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.960
parked kind of a little bit behind me, and we

497
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.839
set up chairs and I put my dog actually brought

498
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.559
his bed and set it right in the middle of us,

499
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:01.319
down on the ground. And at first it was nothing,

500
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.519
you know. Uh, my brother took the tookapa down the road.

501
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:11.160
He I'm looking through the thermal thermal vision and watching

502
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:16.359
him and he, uh, he's going down the road. And

503
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.960
he's peeing and looking for spots to peage and marking

504
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.400
his territory, you know, doing stuff like that. And he

505
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:28.039
comes back and everything's fine, and then Chris takes him

506
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.000
down the road again, and and it's kind of funny

507
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.440
because I don't even know how my brother, I asked

508
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:34.160
him later, how did you even see? He goes, Oh,

509
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:35.960
I didn't, he goes, I just was letting the Doug

510
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:41.240
take me. So anyways, it was pitch black. It was

511
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:45.799
dead silent to pitch black, no win, and uh we're

512
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.599
not hearing nothing. But I'm watching Chris down the road,

513
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:55.440
probably twenty yards, you know, down the road, and I

514
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.279
see Apa kind of start to lift his head up

515
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.920
and he starts looking just like a pointer, you know,

516
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.880
down the road. And now he's just fixated. What is

517
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:09.480
he looking at? I'm looking at it. So I start

518
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:14.359
looking down the road and this that axiom. It it's

519
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.559
kind of hard because it burns your retina out, you know,

520
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:20.640
looking at it. And uh so I'm trying to do this,

521
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.920
and and then i'd put it back on and look,

522
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:26.680
and pretty soon I just kept it on and I'm

523
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.640
watching him and then he starts just turning like this

524
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.240
down to the ridge down to the side of us,

525
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:35.440
and there's a ridge going up this way, the ridge

526
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:37.960
down this way. If I'm looking down the road and

527
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:43.000
Apa is doing this, he's going just like this, and

528
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.880
then about part way he whips it and turns and

529
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.240
looks up the hill above us, and then he whips

530
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.480
back and then he starts back, literally backing up. And

531
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.720
my brother at the time says he could hear on

532
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.960
the the going below us. He could hear what he

533
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:05.200
thought was almost footsteps crunches every once in a while,

534
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:11.920
so he, uh, Opa now is backing up, literally backing

535
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.760
up on down the road. So my brother kind of

536
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:16.519
I think he could feel this because I'm watching him

537
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:20.519
through the night vision and he or the thermal and

538
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:23.559
he starts coming. He comes back, and then Apa out

539
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:29.360
sits down and actually he's looking down the ridge where

540
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.840
we're hearing a sound and we're still hearing this sound.

541
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.559
And then he stands up, and actually Greg's got a

542
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.679
good picture of him standing and he took a pit

543
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.960
took a picture of Apa and me and we're both

544
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:46.760
just looking down because we could hear something. So I'm

545
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.079
I'm scanning with this thermal imager Greg's looking down there.

546
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:56.000
He can hear it. I can hear it, and uh,

547
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:01.440
I see. I'm just it's just it figures too that

548
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.119
I'm I'm scanning like this, you know, I'm looking this way.

549
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.599
I start going like this, and literally right as I

550
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:11.039
just about get out of the the this point of

551
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:14.559
the tree, I see this thing go like this, just

552
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.719
a big white hot signature come out of the tree

553
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.559
and and go back as soon as I mean, I

554
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.679
didn't even get to whip back before that thing is

555
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.800
already back in there. Greg says at the same time,

556
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:29.800
he goes, I just seen He goes, I see an

557
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:31.920
eye shine and seeing a figure right behind a tree

558
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.000
with he has night vision. So I'm like and I

559
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:36.559
tell him, I go, that's weird. I go, I just

560
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.159
seen that too. So they're they're right there. So we're

561
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:46.719
focused down there. Well, APA's here and he's he's turned

562
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.880
keeps turning back up the hill, and uh, I uh

563
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.880
turn this thing down. He I kind of uh at

564
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:59.840
that moment, was like, well, why does he keep looking up?

565
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.639
You know, I don't hear anything up here. So I

566
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.280
take that thermal imager and I walk around to what

567
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:08.960
I think is in front of my van and I

568
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:15.320
look up there and I see. This is the weird part,

569
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.159
is I see this kind of I couldn't even I

570
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.519
can't even describe a morphous blob, is what I kind

571
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.800
of say. And I can't. And I thought about this afterwards.

572
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:29.119
I don't know if it was a heat signature coming

573
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.480
from behind a lot of foliage, but it wasn't like

574
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.039
there was lest white hot specs. Didn't look like a

575
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:42.480
normal something going behind foliage. It looked more like a yeah,

576
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.639
and I say this, and I hate to say it,

577
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.840
but it like almost like the predator type thing, you

578
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.800
know what I mean, just put in a heat signature

579
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:57.079
type of way. So I've got this grayish shimmer that's

580
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:00.639
not fully white hot. It's more of a grayish different

581
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.239
color that's moving. Can't really tell what it is. And

582
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.119
at first I thought, uh, my, my van has an

583
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:10.920
antenna and it has a little ball on the top,

584
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:13.559
and I'm thinking I'm looking at the ball, and so

585
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:15.880
I stick my hand and I no, my my hand.

586
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.840
My antenna is way back here, so it's not that

587
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.400
I'm looking at. There's something on the ridge above us,

588
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.360
and it's it's going by. So then I'm like, okay,

589
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:28.000
I get my phone out, because you can't hit record

590
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:30.039
on this stupid axiom. You got to go on your phone,

591
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:32.280
so you have to light up your phone, which lights

592
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.639
up everything. Yeah, it drives me crazy. I I there

593
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:37.480
probably is a way, but I didn't know how to

594
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.639
do it, so uh and I do have some recordings

595
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:46.800
of the dog that night, but uh, so I try

596
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.880
to I get that record recording started, and of course

597
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:54.440
it's gone, so didn't. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna sit

598
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.480
back down here with the dog and we're going to

599
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.719
just kind of focus down here, and I'll look up

600
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.199
there once in a while to try to see what's

601
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.719
going on. And Appa just started getting more and more

602
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:11.199
and more anxious and nervous, and which was making me nervous.

603
00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.039
It was it was almost the exact opposite. I was

604
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:17.079
just telling somebody about this the other day. Is so

605
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.039
you know how your your dog is in tune with you.

606
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.760
You know, if you're angry, your dog gets angry or whatever.

607
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.679
This was the exact opposite. My I was not. We

608
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.360
would have been oblivious that there was anything there until

609
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:35.079
other than him. And the more anxious he got, the

610
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:39.360
more anxious I was getting and pretty soon he's backing

611
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.360
up under the chairs with me. So I'm thinking, Okay,

612
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:48.239
there's something really close here, and he's just acting strange,

613
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.800
you know, and Greg's seen it too, and Greg, so

614
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:54.880
Greg kind of says, well, you know, or I told him,

615
00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:56.519
I go, Greg, I go, I kind of want to

616
00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:00.559
put him in the van because he's acting very you know,

617
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.360
you know, he's got a lot of anxiety going on here. Yeah,

618
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:08.000
and something's making him nervous as heck, here did these

619
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:11.119
this is making him nervous, you know. And I got

620
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:16.360
that feeling too that we were being surrounded and didn't

621
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:18.400
like it at all because it was starting to bring

622
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:23.519
me back to the whole thing back then. And about

623
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.679
that time, Greg says, well, we can you know, I've

624
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:28.239
seen enough. We can pack it up. Kind of. Well,

625
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.280
I had opened the van just just before that. I

626
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:33.480
started to go to proceed to open the van, and

627
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:36.199
the wind had kicked up just and there was no

628
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:38.360
wind this whole night. The wind had kicked up. In

629
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:43.599
the instant that wind kicked up, my dog just flipped out.

630
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:48.320
He just want I mean, almost tried to bust through

631
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.639
the door of the van. I opened it up. He

632
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:54.880
dives in and he goes like this on the side

633
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.880
of the van that's facing the hill, like he's trying

634
00:39:57.880 --> 00:39:59.800
to look through the windows. And then he dives down

635
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:06.559
underneath the passenger seat and just he's his eyes are

636
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.360
this big around. My brother turned on his flashlight on

637
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.199
his phone, and my dog's eyes. He's laying flat as

638
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.039
he can get on the floor and pushed in as

639
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:20.639
far as he can onto the passenger side, and his

640
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:24.159
eyes are this big around, you know. So I'm like, okay,

641
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:27.719
this is this is crazy. So I grabbed the flashlight

642
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.920
Greg and them. Now Greg's over now with Chris two

643
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.519
with them in my van, we're all right there. And

644
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.239
so I grabbed my I had a spotlight flashlight there,

645
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:41.800
grabbed it and went around the back of my van

646
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.360
to the side of the hill and I flashed that there,

647
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:49.400
and that's when I realized how dense it was, to

648
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.159
super super dense. I didn't realize that it was that

649
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.760
dense of woods there, you know, because we had got

650
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:01.760
there at night and at that instant too, the bushes

651
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:07.880
just exploded of this thing moving through it going up.

652
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:11.239
Couldn't did not get a good look. I couldn't tell

653
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:12.960
you if it was a bear or not. But I

654
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:15.000
could tell you I don't think that it was a

655
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:20.320
bear because there was multiple these things were surrounding us,

656
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.519
and like I said, I don't think a bear is

657
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.039
going to going to sit there and coordinate efforts, you know,

658
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:31.639
to try to surround us. It was a very very

659
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:37.840
weird feeling like at that moment too, I realized we

660
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.320
were being flanked basically, this one. I had a lot

661
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:45.159
of time to think about it, and I was thinking,

662
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.440
the only thing I think of is this one was

663
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:51.480
kind of maybe purposely making noise so this one could

664
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:55.199
come up around and get real close to it. And

665
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.840
it was really close because when I shine that light

666
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:00.960
and I shined it, I wish if I would have

667
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.000
shined it up a little higher, I probably would have

668
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.360
caught it because I had shined it thinking that I'm

669
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.000
looking through the woods and it was just on the

670
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:13.000
edge of my eyes of the shine, and then you know, see,

671
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.079
as soon as I see it moved, I went like this.

672
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:20.239
But the woods were just being basically exploded now at

673
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:26.800
that time. But yeah, it was another scary thing, you know,

674
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.519
but we would have been oblivious. I would have been

675
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:35.400
probably oblivious had not the dog kind of started doing

676
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.639
what he was doing at the beginning. We talked with

677
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.880
Greg after that, and he was kind of the same thing.

678
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.360
You know, he had seen. You know, we had focused

679
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.480
down there because we had heard this crunching steps, but

680
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.039
I don't know if we heard those crunching steps. We

681
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:59.599
didn't hear anything until Upas started really focusing, and then

682
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.480
we startarted focusing, and then that's when we started hearing

683
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.440
kind of started here to some stuff, if that makes.

684
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:09.760
Sense that that is wild? Did you say that was

685
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:10.800
in Butte Falls?

686
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.480
Just kind of out of that area, out of that area,

687
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:19.880
So between there, I would say, if you if you

688
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.880
took you know, and I don't want to tell where

689
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:27.000
Greg's sight is or anything like that, right he but

690
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.440
you know, if you took klam A or not a

691
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:34.400
crater Lake, Butte Falls, and then took over to like

692
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.599
Diamond Lake, you know you could in that area.

693
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:41.559
So which is, oh, my goodness, is such an area.

694
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:45.599
I've never been there, but like the hunters I've talked

695
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:50.559
to about Prospect crazy stuff and then Diamond Lake some

696
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.079
really wild stuff. And there's been multiple guys that have said,

697
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:58.199
once you get what were they saying? Once you get

698
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:02.519
west of two thirty, just look out, because that's it

699
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.320
gets really crazy west to two thirty that highway or

700
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:07.239
that road or whatever.

701
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:11.719
Oh yeah, I've met another gentleman since then, real, real

702
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:18.400
nice guy that has showed me pictures of footsteps and

703
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:23.199
tree breaks and actual he actually had figures on a

704
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:26.239
rock that were there gone and you could tell that

705
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:31.159
they're you know, they're very big. And he's like, oh,

706
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:32.599
I'll take you right to that spot if you want

707
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.000
to measure it. And I'm like, and I asked him,

708
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:37.960
I said, how come you don't get this? You need?

709
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.239
This is really good stuff.

710
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:40.079
You know.

711
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:42.639
Any He goes, I don't want to. I don't want

712
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:44.719
any kind of limelight, you know, And.

713
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.039
Which is so you're saying, like petroglyphs, right, no, no, no, no, no,

714
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:49.960
oh yeah.

715
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:55.440
These were a rock out cropping kind of a rock mountain,

716
00:44:56.079 --> 00:45:03.360
and there's two figures on there that definitely had long arms.

717
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:08.360
Just you look at it and you're going, okay, that's uh,

718
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:11.760
it looks like two bigfoots you know, on there.

719
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:15.920
Really yeah, And then and then I asked him too.

720
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:18.480
He's going through it, and I go and I was

721
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:22.480
basically he basically handed me his phone too, and I'm

722
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.480
kind of quisitive on it. I said, well, did you

723
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:28.320
get a picture of it without him? And he goes,

724
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.840
you know, that's funny, he goes, uh, and he was

725
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.079
friends with the Scott Violot. He goes, he uh said

726
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:40.880
uh no or no, he did his but he told

727
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.960
his buddy right after that, and he and his buddy

728
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.079
told him, you need to go back and uh get

729
00:45:46.119 --> 00:45:49.480
a picture of that without them, So he did. So

730
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:51.960
I'm like, okay, that's good. And literally, you know, I'm

731
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:55.679
looking at the timestamp on his phone and the pictures

732
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.199
and I'm like, okay, he didn't. These aren't manipulated, and

733
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.079
he's not the type of guy that that you know,

734
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.800
and you could kind of tell too if somebody's I've

735
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.760
done a lot of computer working, and if somebody's manipulated

736
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:12.320
time stamps on a phone or something, it's just it's

737
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.679
pretty obvious. But no, he's got a progression of pictures,

738
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:20.440
he's got footprints going around the lake. And I another thing.

739
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.039
The guy that loaned me the thermal imaging since then

740
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:28.079
are actually I can't remember it. No, it was at

741
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:32.119
about the same time he had put a recording out

742
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:38.199
in this other area out of Douglas County, Glendale, and

743
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.000
it's toward the coast, out in the middle of nowhere,

744
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.840
twenty nine miles from any town. I drove out there

745
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:50.079
with him. We got pictures of tree breaks, footprints, and

746
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.039
I actually got an audio I could let you hear this.

747
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:57.280
This was at three am. I'm gonna play it through

748
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:03.599
here because let's see here. Okay, where's my speaker on

749
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:12.719
this thing? Well, so that that's a stream that's nearby.

750
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.280
So we're working on getting a better and and I'll

751
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:21.840
do it again here. I don't know. Could you hear?

752
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:25.079
That's really good? That's extremely good audio.

753
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.000
Well, And the funny thing is that was with a

754
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.119
crappy recorder. We got a we have since bought a

755
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.800
good one. I'm still going through stuff. This is just

756
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:39.119
one that's on my phone. I have knocks, grunts, uh,

757
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:44.079
some crazy stuff that I can't figure out. I'm still

758
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.880
going through a it's super super hard. That's a hard part.

759
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:50.519
But on just this and since then, we've got a better,

760
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:54.840
uh this wild Wildlife Acoustics recorder that we're going to

761
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.800
set out and Uh. The funny part is I had

762
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.039
just went to a memorial for Scott Violet in Cave

763
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:09.920
Junction and a lady from uh oh, shoot, where is that?

764
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:12.960
Gosh darn it? Now, I can't you know what. I

765
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:17.880
got to look this up real quick. She's out of Oregon, north,

766
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:24.039
out of uh north of here. And it's not Lebanon.

767
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:27.000
Gosh darn it. What is the name of that? I'm Oakridge.

768
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:31.039
I think it's Oakridge. Yeah, well, anyway, is it Priscilla, Yes, Priscilla,

769
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:31.719
that's it.

770
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:33.599
I'm great friends with Priscilla.

771
00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:37.519
Yeah, okay, Well, Priscilla has a recording not quite as

772
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.559
good as that, exactly the same, I mean exactly the same.

773
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.920
And that's out of Oakridge. And so I actually just

774
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.800
contacted her because I'd love to run hers through. I

775
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.880
actually ran this through AI through chat GPT, grock, you know,

776
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:58.320
and said, hey, you know what this was at three am?

777
00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:01.880
This area, you know what is it? And it says

778
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.960
it doesn't match any known North American animals. So I said, okay,

779
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.599
well run this thing through the gambit of everything in

780
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:12.320
the world and tell me what's the closest match. And

781
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:14.880
it said howler monkeys of South America.

782
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:16.679
So that's cool.

783
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.239
Yeah, And it actually went into even more depth and

784
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:25.760
said that the tonal residence resident of this and that

785
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:31.199
is more indicative to a larger mammal than a howler monkey,

786
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.440
and I thought, well, that's kind of weird. I was

787
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.960
amazed that it could do that by listening to a recording,

788
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:43.559
and I was also amazed that it's like, oh wow, now, so.

789
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.880
Just real quick, it'd be interesting if you put it

790
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:52.199
into audacity and then looked at the spectrogram. That's when

791
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.239
you did that.

792
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.239
That's exactly what I've been doing to try to find

793
00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:00.320
the pieces, and some of it aren't showing up very

794
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.159
well at all. Like I actually ran past this because

795
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:08.199
it did not show up until in audacity, until I

796
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:10.800
just blew it up so much and I'm like, well,

797
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:12.840
this is really weird. And a lot of those were

798
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:19.159
like that. But yeah, it's but since then I'm getting

799
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.480
a little better. I think it was the recording too,

800
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:25.679
because it had that just from the stream. Sure, and

801
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:33.119
so but this area, this area, every single time at

802
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:37.320
a certain time of year between it's June July through

803
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:43.440
you know, August, is just it's just before hunting season,

804
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:49.239
just before elk season. Every single time this person's been

805
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:53.559
up there, and heard stuff. In fact, my own daughter

806
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.679
was her boy for her ex boyfriend now was friends

807
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:03.599
with this group and she went up there a few

808
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:08.800
years ago with them, and she's she's always gives me crap,

809
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.000
she's dad, there's no such thing as Bigfoot, you know.

810
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:15.400
Well she did until that day because she got woken

811
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.760
up at three am and said she heard two All

812
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:22.840
the girls actually woke up. The guys were probably passed

813
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:26.440
out drunk, you know, but the girls woke up and

814
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:29.639
they heard these She said she heard them, two of

815
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:35.280
them howling, you know, and it was more of a

816
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:37.920
kind of a wolf type sound. Because I let, I

817
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.320
played a couple of things for her and she said,

818
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:44.639
now that that's kind of what it sounded like. And yeah,

819
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.119
every single time they've been up there, they've they've gotten

820
00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:47.920
some So.

821
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:50.599
Is this the Glendale by Wolf Creek?

822
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:51.400
Yes?

823
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.039
Yes, Oh my godness, Wolf Creek, Holy Mackerel. I would

824
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:57.320
not go out in the woods by myself there the

825
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:01.559
stories I've gotten outside of Bigfoot, there's some weird stuff

826
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.679
going on out there, and like you would not mess

827
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.960
around in those woods or you might not come out.

828
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.079
No, yeah, and all that. Yeah, I actually stayed in

829
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:14.239
that Wolf Creek Tavern, and we didn't and we didn't

830
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.639
know it. We stayed in the haunted the most haunted

831
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.360
room there because we went up there for New Year's

832
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.679
and uh, our friends of ours wanted to go there,

833
00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:26.320
and we stayed. I stayed in that room and slept,

834
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.719
slept like a baby. Didn't didn't know it. You know,

835
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:31.400
I didn't know it at the time that it was

836
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.920
supposedly the most haunted room. I did know that they

837
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:37.719
were supposed to be haunted up there, but uh, yeah,

838
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.920
but I you don't. Yeah, I've got some stories on

839
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.519
on that type of situation. I actually have a story

840
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:51.320
that uh hits both of those things from a guy

841
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.840
too that I you know, I don't know how much

842
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.679
time we've got, No.

843
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.880
We still got time for sure. Yeah. So you're saying

844
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:02.079
like ghosts and Bigfoot.

845
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.920
Yeah, kind of a mix of really. Yeah, one guy

846
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.280
told me a story. Well I'll just go ahead and

847
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:10.519
tell it. We can go back to my or the

848
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:14.519
other things too. And this guy, this is a law

849
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.719
enforcement guy, Okay, So and I don't want to say

850
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.679
too much because I don't want to. I definitely know

851
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:24.920
he does not want anybody to know exactly who who

852
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:28.400
and where and what this is. But it was an

853
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:33.760
old house that he had bought. And this house had

854
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.280
a little bit of property very very close in town,

855
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.960
if not you know in town type of thing. But

856
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:46.239
the property had been there since. Shoot, this house had

857
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:50.000
knob in tube wiring, and there was structure of an

858
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.719
old house from like the eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds,

859
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.119
I think. Still there a chimney in the backyard. There

860
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:01.000
was old fruit trees in the backyard that have been

861
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:04.239
there for you know, one hundred years or more. Well,

862
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:10.159
he had been remodeling this house and had just weird

863
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:15.440
stuff happening in this house. And his dog wouldn't go upstairs,

864
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:18.599
that's the first thing. And he had a couple of

865
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.480
guys doing some work on it, doing like the HVAC work,

866
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.360
putting a new unit and in and everything, and they

867
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:26.840
stopped about three quarters through it and they said, we're

868
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.519
not you know, we're not doing this. This house is haunted,

869
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:34.000
you know. And he's like, you know, yeah, he kind

870
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:37.320
of he had come to that conclusion because of stuff

871
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:39.800
that's happened to him. He had been working on a

872
00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:43.000
counter in a kitchen one time and he got done

873
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.800
with the whole kitchen, and he's standing back and he's

874
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.039
looking at it, you know, and then literally he hears

875
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:52.519
right beside him somebody go, good job, you know. And

876
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:57.119
so he's he's like, okay, there's there really his ghost,

877
00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:00.480
you know. And he's a very rational person, so this

878
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.199
is not this is not somebody that just that tells

879
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.079
you some bs. So well, anyways, he's got a hot

880
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:12.119
tub in the backyard and this happened to him several times.

881
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:18.239
I guess. He was in this hot tub and he

882
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:22.960
here's this grunting over by the fruit trees, and he's like,

883
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:27.360
what the heck is And he gets stands up at

884
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.880
the hot tub and sees this figure run across, just

885
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:34.760
making a god awful sound and take off up through

886
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.719
the irrigation ditch and up into the upper part of

887
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.480
the mountain, you know, and there's houses all around in

888
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:44.719
this area. And he said that this happened more than once.

889
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:47.719
And I was telling him, I go, you know, I go,

890
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:52.639
this is really strange, because he he's I go, what

891
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:57.639
you're describing to me sounds more Bigfoot than ghost. I go,

892
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.440
but what's happening in your house is ghost and definitely

893
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:06.639
not bigfoot. So I don't know what is going on

894
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:11.440
with that whole that whole situation. You know, the whole

895
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:15.559
fruit trees there maybe established for one hundred years. It

896
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.639
sounds perfect for a bigfoot. That says, Okay, I've known

897
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:23.000
this area or you know, my whole family or whatever's

898
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.280
known in this area and just known to come back

899
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.480
here to get fruit out of the trees. And it

900
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.199
sounded like it was near the trees. Whatever this was.

901
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:34.880
He said, they've seen this black figure literally look like

902
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.639
it ran And then he actually said at one point

903
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.800
it was on all fours. It either dropped to all

904
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.639
fours and took off running and just made some weird

905
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:48.480
drunting noises he's never heard before.

906
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:53.960
But yeah, and this is wild, wild stuff.

907
00:56:54.320 --> 00:57:00.400
Yeah, just just strange, you know. And there's tons of

908
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.760
other stories from people around this area, just but that

909
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.320
one just kind of struck me as very odd. When

910
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:11.719
we were talking there about ghosts and and bigfoot, and

911
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:14.280
that's the first story I've heard of kind of a

912
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:17.320
merge of both. And you know, other than you know,

913
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:22.480
you hear these stories of in in graveyards which people

914
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:28.559
think their ghosts and they're probably bigfoot. But yeah, this

915
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:34.760
one definitely, Like I said, don't know. Associated with the house,

916
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.679
don't and the area that it's at, you'd look at

917
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:41.760
it and just go. There's no way, you know, other

918
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.920
than there is a there is a hill there, and

919
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:46.800
if you get to the top of that hill and

920
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:50.360
you follow it down and cut through backs of houses

921
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:53.920
and stuff, you could get out to where it's just

922
00:57:54.079 --> 00:58:00.360
open ground. So it's feasible. But it's very, very, very

923
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:03.119
very It's not rural. I mean, I mean it's it's

924
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.559
almost in town used to be rural. It was probably

925
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:08.400
the end of town back in the day.

926
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:12.800
So I want to make sure that you're able to

927
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:18.840
share the experiences that you were wining to just because

928
00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:20.960
I know we we got into a little Q and

929
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:24.599
a yeah rabbit trail there, but I want to make

930
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:27.440
sure you were able to share. Okay, very good. I

931
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:31.920
do have some more questions for you, Yeah, yeah, because

932
00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:35.960
you are based out of the area you're at, so

933
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:45.360
there is a for context. So we brought up Matthew

934
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:50.119
Johnson earlier, and there is that story, the account with

935
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.440
him and Adam Davies. Have you heard that in the portal?

936
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:54.280
Have you ever heard that?

937
00:58:55.079 --> 00:58:55.360
No?

938
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:57.360
No, And I'm very interesting.

939
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:03.639
Yeah, uh, you know that that's funny. As I got

940
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:06.559
a story another one that's kind of similar to that,

941
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.440
but I'll have to I'll have to ask the guy

942
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:13.760
to talk to talk about it, you know. But it's

943
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:20.239
kind of a weird portal thing where basically is he

944
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.320
was near something where he didn't have cell phone. I'll

945
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:26.320
kind of loosely tell it because I don't want to

946
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:29.320
to to uh, I'll have to ask him, you know,

947
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.639
before he could do. But basically, he was in a

948
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:36.199
he's a very rational guy too, and he had a

949
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.760
situation where he was in the middle of nowhere with

950
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:45.039
no cell phone reception whatsoever, and came across something like

951
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.119
that and all of a sudden his phone blew up

952
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:51.280
with phone messages. He all of a sudden had phone

953
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:56.119
reception and then you know, of course, he gets away

954
00:59:56.159 --> 01:00:01.559
from this and you know, it's got pictures and as

955
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:04.199
of course, doesn't have cell reception until he gets back

956
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:06.880
to his thing. And I thought that was interesting, and

957
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:10.480
I told him, And unfortunately it's been a while since

958
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:12.880
this happened, and I told him, I said, if this

959
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.159
ever happens again, you need to somehow get hold of

960
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:21.360
your cell phone. Records and see maybe your phone pinged

961
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:26.159
to tower in Chicago or something. You know, everybody with

962
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:32.199
this portal thing is you know, it's just speculation, you know,

963
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:36.199
until if you have some kind of solid evidence like that,

964
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.760
Now that's kind of a that's a big deal, you

965
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:45.199
know that that could actually put something like that out there.

966
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:49.679
You know, until then, it's so like I always tell

967
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:52.719
people because they asked me, well do you believe in

968
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:56.559
portals and all of that, and I tell him, I go, well,

969
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:59.840
I go, I don't have an inter dimensional portal meter

970
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:04.440
that I can look for them, So I'm not gonna

971
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:08.119
I can't go down. You kind of almost you take

972
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.000
it with a grain not a grain of salt, but

973
01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:14.199
you when you hear stories like from this guy and

974
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:18.400
this very credible person, you're saying, Okay, there is something there,

975
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:22.199
but until I have some kind of tangible way of

976
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:28.760
checking that, it's it's nothing. Whereas this cell phone thing was.

977
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.000
You know, I'm thinking about them going, hey, there is

978
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:35.280
a tangible way of checking to see if there really

979
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:38.360
was some anomaly, and and that would have been I

980
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:43.119
would have been it. So yeah, that's where I'm kind

981
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:46.800
of more. I you know, I'm on the practical side

982
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:51.039
of it. And I even though the experiences that happened

983
01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:54.440
to me, I'm I'm also like a big probably a

984
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:56.559
big skeptic on a lot of these things. You know,

985
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.079
a lot of these people do the AI stuff and

986
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.800
they or they'll take a circle and say Larry is

987
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:06.960
and it's like, well, I don't doubt you, but there's

988
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:11.159
nothing there that you know. And then and then you

989
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:15.320
got to take the person too and to see how

990
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:18.079
much weight you're going to give that piece of evidence.

991
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:22.159
Whereas if this guy that I'm talking about now, if

992
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:27.360
he shows me a shadow in a an area and

993
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.119
he says, hey, this wasn't there, I'm going to be like, Okay,

994
01:02:30.159 --> 01:02:33.960
this this guy's got this probably is because he he

995
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.639
most likely has another picture that doesn't show it there,

996
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:44.960
whereas somebody else that's you know, that's uh, how would

997
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.639
you say, you know, just bigfoot? Everything's bigfoot, got red

998
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:48.719
circles around everything.

999
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.639
Yeah, so that is That's very interesting, you know, because

1000
01:02:54.719 --> 01:03:00.000
I haven't talked to Adam or or Matthew about that experience,

1001
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:04.280
but that's one example of a portal experience where things

1002
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:06.480
come out of it and then there's another story out

1003
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:11.280
of Saddle Blanket Mountain near Oakridge, where Bigfoot reached out

1004
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:15.280
of a portal and almost dragged a guy inside of

1005
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.760
It's a wild one that was documented on a BFRO

1006
01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:21.639
expedition actually, So I'm just curious if you'd ever heard

1007
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.920
anything at that, and it sounds like you have. It's

1008
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:26.000
just yeah, you know, you want to have the okay

1009
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:26.480
to share it.

1010
01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:31.639
So yeah, And the good thing about where I got

1011
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.920
this sound, and actually I got some pictures of tree

1012
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.559
breaks too, if I could find him, I should have

1013
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.320
got that with you before. Annon, who knows, maybe we'll

1014
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:46.840
do this again. But the place where the sounds are

1015
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:52.519
coming from, thankfully, there has been none of the orbs

1016
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:56.559
or any of that weird stuff yet. So I'm more

1017
01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:00.920
comfortable going out there because you know, that just puts

1018
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:05.000
you in a whole different realm in a way. And

1019
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:06.880
but this other guy that I talked with with the

1020
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:11.079
cell phone, he's got an area and it's out in

1021
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:15.519
that kind of prospect area where I've talked about before,

1022
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:20.679
and he has had that kind of stuff, and he

1023
01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:23.920
actually kind of made me more of a believer in that,

1024
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:29.599
just because he's super super super rational, no no nonsense guy,

1025
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:34.800
that just you know, and he he even admits that

1026
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.960
this is some crazy weird stuff. You know, he says

1027
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.039
he's seen lights going through he's actually had pictures of

1028
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:45.239
it above water and you know, look like a ball

1029
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:49.039
of ball lightning one of them, and you know, it

1030
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:55.039
described to me some stuff, and but yeah, it's you know,

1031
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:59.480
and to me, I try to look at that like

1032
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:05.079
kind of scientifically, like, Okay, let's just instead of just

1033
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:08.639
discounting it, discounting these people, let's assume it's real. And

1034
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:13.719
let's assume what does it take to create a portal

1035
01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:17.400
or interdimensional portal or whatever it is. You know, it's

1036
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:21.360
gonna be there's gonna be some maybe some electromagnetic radiation,

1037
01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:26.519
something that can be something tangible that you can probably

1038
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.480
look for, which I don't know if anybody has. I

1039
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:34.760
don't know if anybody's even taken that to these two. Uh,

1040
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:38.280
somebody and said, hey, you know, let me take this

1041
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.800
meter out here and see if we can get any

1042
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:51.559
anomalous readings on you know, electromagnetic sensor or something to

1043
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:55.039
that type of thing. I'm not I'm not that versed

1044
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.400
on some of that science, but you know, I read

1045
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:02.800
and watch and watch TV so but uh, yeah, there's

1046
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.519
got to be oh.

1047
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:08.199
There, oh nice, there you go. Wow, Yeah that's big.

1048
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:12.039
Yeah he's and he's way back there so I can't

1049
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:16.199
even reach him. But anyways, uh yeah he couched potato.

1050
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:20.559
But yeah, so I try to look at those things

1051
01:06:20.599 --> 01:06:23.199
like that that Okay, you know, before I used to

1052
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:29.079
just even even believing in Bigfoot or believing in the

1053
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.079
evidence of Bigfoot too. I believe it because my own encounters,

1054
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:38.199
but more importantly, it's the evidence that's at hand. Uh

1055
01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.239
and uh, you know, I used to just dis count

1056
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.559
kind of that stuff with portholes, and I sometimes I'll

1057
01:06:44.559 --> 01:06:46.639
still make kind of fun of that, you know, but

1058
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:52.840
I still there's there's too many credible people that uh

1059
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:57.039
kind of talk that talk about that. So it's like, Okay,

1060
01:06:57.159 --> 01:06:59.639
there's something here. And then the other part of it

1061
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:04.599
is is it actually Bigfoot or is there a separate

1062
01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:09.800
thing going on here that is just this big Basically

1063
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:17.239
Bigfoot has an association with this aliens, dimensional beans, whatever,

1064
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.440
you know, maybe they're an experiment of theirs. I don't know,

1065
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:23.519
you know, because when you look at the Bigfoot solely

1066
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:27.280
without that thing, you can almost say it's a it's

1067
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:32.719
a unknown primate or or people. I know a lot

1068
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:35.880
of people get angry on that too. They'll say they're

1069
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:41.719
not They're not a monkey, they're a they're person. Well,

1070
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:45.840
a good, good program to watch. I don't know if

1071
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:48.679
you've seen this as it's called Unknown Cave of Bones

1072
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:49.840
on Netflix.

1073
01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:53.159
And no, I have never watched that. Actually watch it.

1074
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:55.639
And the reason why I say that is there is

1075
01:07:55.679 --> 01:08:00.639
a species of these apes. They're almost the size of

1076
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:04.400
chimpanzee home on Letti and they found them in this

1077
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:11.119
cave system in Africa. And not only did these these monkeys,

1078
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:17.920
they found out after a long investigation, that these monkeys

1079
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:24.720
monkeys buried their dead and which kind of almost shows

1080
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:27.800
that they believed in an afterlife and believed in a

1081
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:31.000
in a god. And there was other evidence of that.

1082
01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:34.319
There was evidence of them making fire. There's evidence of

1083
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:39.000
one of them being buried with a tool, which is incredible,

1084
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.960
you know, because if something's dead, why is it going

1085
01:08:42.039 --> 01:08:45.239
to give if it's a monkey or just an ape.

1086
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:48.279
You know, you hear that it's not just an ape, Well,

1087
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:53.439
these were just an ape and they were using tools

1088
01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:56.560
and they were burying their dead with a tool, which

1089
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:59.840
proves that they believed in an afterlife type of situation.

1090
01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.880
So that's not an ape. That's almost a people, but

1091
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:07.920
it is an ape. So it doesn't mean to to

1092
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:13.479
say like a Bigfoot was a gigantithipicus or some other

1093
01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:17.159
ape that's evolved, doesn't mean it's still an ape. But

1094
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:20.880
I mean, you know, it doesn't mean just because you're

1095
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:24.239
calling it an ape or whatever that it's not smart

1096
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:29.079
or isn't just like a person type of thing, if

1097
01:09:29.119 --> 01:09:29.840
that makes sense.

1098
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:33.520
So I'll have to check that out. That sounds interesting.

1099
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:35.880
Yeah, So I because I've had that a lot of times.

1100
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.119
You know, I start to talk about that, there's some

1101
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:41.119
people that kind of get they're like almost offended. No,

1102
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:45.239
they're they're forest people and they're not an ape. And

1103
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:50.960
it's like, well, you know, I understand that, but there

1104
01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:54.359
this is this is that doesn't just by saying that

1105
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.680
it's an ape or not an ape or a evolution

1106
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.079
of an ape doesn't degrade at all, you know it

1107
01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:07.279
it's here's evidence of actual apes, yeah, or from way

1108
01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:11.920
back doing stuff that's incredible. So yeah, that I watched that,

1109
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:13.920
I kind of opened my eyes on that subject.

1110
01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:19.760
So no, absolutely, Maybe one more more question for you

1111
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:23.520
we have a few minutes left. Have you ever gotten

1112
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:28.680
any reports from the Diamond Lake area or anything on

1113
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:31.199
one eight? Oh yeah, yeah.

1114
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:34.239
Okay, yes, yeah. The one In fact, the one guy

1115
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:38.359
that I was talking about earlier with all the pictures

1116
01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:42.000
and stuff was just is in that area pretty much,

1117
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:44.920
you know, lots of stuff there.

1118
01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:45.880
Uh.

1119
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:49.439
In fact, I've got a I put myself out there

1120
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:57.640
after my second deal this summer, I put myself out

1121
01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:59.720
on Facebook that hey, you know, I know a lot

1122
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:04.760
of people don't want to be considered crazy, you know,

1123
01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.199
and they got these stories and you want to tell them,

1124
01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:09.359
but you don't want to be on the line light.

1125
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.399
I said, telling to me, I don't care if people

1126
01:11:12.399 --> 01:11:16.640
think I'm crazy. They already do anyway, So but I'm

1127
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:19.119
just like telling me, I'll tell you that, you know,

1128
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:20.920
I'll try to get out there, tell you stories. And

1129
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:23.159
I got a guy out of a shady cove area

1130
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:29.119
that's told me in the prospect lots of him. And

1131
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:32.840
there's a lady that is out of there that had

1132
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.319
a face to face when she was up mushroom picking.

1133
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:41.079
And then I've had this guy where he had a

1134
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:44.560
sighting in his jeep crossing the road and then had

1135
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:50.039
it smear the jeep mirrors with mud, muddy handprints. Yeah,

1136
01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:54.760
really strange. And then I've had another firefighter actually where

1137
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:58.840
the helicopters had dropped their food. They would drop it

1138
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:03.159
twice a day and something was stealing their food. And

1139
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:07.920
one of the girls that was related to him, that

1140
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:10.399
was on the fire line. They had to walk this

1141
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:13.640
fire line. One of them did every like twice a day,

1142
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.960
once in the morning or once at night. And they

1143
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:19.239
were in the evening and she had a face to

1144
01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:21.239
face this thing. She was walking up the trail and

1145
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:24.119
it was like a stump and it had stood up

1146
01:12:24.199 --> 01:12:26.239
right front of her and she just looked right at it.

1147
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:29.319
And I still haven't I got to go. I want

1148
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:31.640
to go interview all these people and get as much

1149
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:37.000
detail as I can because it just just interesting, you know,

1150
01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:40.159
and there's just so many more, so many more. Wow.

1151
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:44.119
I'm glad there's someone like yourself where people feel comfortable

1152
01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.079
enough in that area to be able to talk to

1153
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:46.920
That's awesome.

1154
01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:48.960
Yeah, that's what I'm That's what I hope, you know.

1155
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:53.479
It's just just let me know, you know, and I'll

1156
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:56.399
try to get it out there. So I just wish

1157
01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:01.039
I My biggest thing is is I tried to well, uh,

1158
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:04.840
like you, you're asking a lot of detail. Try to

1159
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:07.119
get a lot of detail. And I don't want to

1160
01:13:07.159 --> 01:13:10.520
mess something up of somebody's story. And I don't want

1161
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:13.960
to offend them as far as where the area is,

1162
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:18.079
if there's somebody that's doing this kind of stuff. And

1163
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:21.680
uh so it's the the that's the the hard part too.

1164
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:24.039
And like I said, they don't want to say something

1165
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:27.239
wrong as far as the story. But but there's a

1166
01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:29.399
lot of them. You know, there was stories when I

1167
01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.760
was a kid. There's one area out here they used

1168
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.159
to call it the Courtz Creek area. Actually were ride

1169
01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:37.119
motorcycles all the time. They used to call it the Whistler,

1170
01:13:37.159 --> 01:13:39.880
the Courtz Creek Whistler. And I remember that when I

1171
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:41.439
was a kid. I always thought it was crazy.

1172
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:46.239
Now I don't so goodness, that's it's so awesome out there.

1173
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:51.920
It's like you can you can find activity pretty much

1174
01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:56.800
as long as you're near the cascades. It's pretty amazing. Yeah,

1175
01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:00.560
it's weird. And then even west, Yeah, yeah it's weird there.

1176
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:06.199
There's these these certain clusters I'm noticing of spots and

1177
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:10.640
uh some of them are you know, random people say

1178
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.680
oh yeah, I've hear it, but there's only like I said,

1179
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.439
this this one spot that I know of, I almost

1180
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:19.760
can just put put a hundred bucks on it and

1181
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:22.479
say go out at this time, you're going to get something.

1182
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:26.600
And that's where I've been focusing on, trying to get

1183
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:31.199
a lot of uh this audio and we're going to

1184
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:34.800
try to blanket some of the hillsides and in that

1185
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:38.159
area and try to get some really good audio because

1186
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:41.239
you know, I hear little bits and pieces of people

1187
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:45.239
and like you you're just saying like that's really good,

1188
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:47.399
and it's like to me, I'm like, wow that you know,

1189
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:50.439
it's not that great audio because I'm hearing all the

1190
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:55.439
the the creek and you know, and from what I've

1191
01:14:55.680 --> 01:14:59.600
from what I've heard, you know, and listened people up there,

1192
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:02.279
it's like this is I should be able to get

1193
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:05.640
some really really good stuff. So oh see, yeah, we'll see.

1194
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:10.880
Yeah, yeah absolutely. Mark, thank you so much for for

1195
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:14.159
hanging out with me uh for a bit today and

1196
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.920
for sharing what you've experienced and what you've heard, and

1197
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:21.520
definitely keep us in the loop with what what happens

1198
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:24.000
next down there. It sounds like you've got some really

1199
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:28.800
cool plans of uh he's a big guy. Yeah.

1200
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:32.880
Oh yeah, yeah, that's game size bed so hey.

1201
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:36.560
Oh wow, so yeah, yeah, thank you so much for

1202
01:15:36.600 --> 01:15:37.279
coming on today.

1203
01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:37.600
Mark.

1204
01:15:39.359 --> 01:15:43.560
You also are okay if individuals want to reach out

1205
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:45.239
to you directly, right, that's.

1206
01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:48.359
Fine, that's fine. I'm okay, perfectly fine with that. And

1207
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.520
and I think, aren't you. Are you going to be

1208
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:55.199
in Oregon in this summer? Yeah? I will.

1209
01:15:56.880 --> 01:15:58.760
Before I don't want to miss it. So if you

1210
01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:02.640
want to contact Mark to sometimes people like to talk

1211
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:06.239
to people from the area about their stuff. Poorbanmat gmail

1212
01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:10.760
dot com. Yeah, I will be in Oakridge for in July.

1213
01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:15.680
I'll be speaking at Priscilla's Festival, Sasquatch Summerfest, so I

1214
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.279
will be in there.

1215
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:19.399
I'm gonna try to get up there and try to

1216
01:16:19.399 --> 01:16:22.920
bring him to so I might drive them over home

1217
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:26.079
and make a weekend out of it. So we'll see

1218
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:27.640
and if I do, I'll see you there.

1219
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:30.319
So awesome. Yeah, it'd be great to me. I mean,

1220
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:33.079
it's it's uh, it's one of those where you can,

1221
01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:36.319
you know, camp out and stuff like that, so that's

1222
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:39.000
that's pretty cool. But yeah, we'll be in touch Mark

1223
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:40.119
and thank you so much.

1224
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:42.720
Okay, yeah, feel free contact Ma anytime.

1225
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:47.039
So have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot

1226
01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:50.720
activity around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, Man,

1227
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:53.199
I would love to get out in those woods and

1228
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:58.279
experience it for myself. Well, guess what This year you can.

1229
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:01.920
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

1230
01:17:01.960 --> 01:17:06.880
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1231
01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:10.920
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's gonna be even

1232
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:14.840
better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll be

1233
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:17.960
one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably

1234
01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:23.279
I'll say this, there may be stuff you haven't heard

1235
01:17:23.399 --> 01:17:29.439
anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you

1236
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:31.680
just got to be there. We'll leave at that. More

1237
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.439
about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check

1238
01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:40.079
this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary

1239
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:44.439
series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not

1240
01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:48.680
only go to the festival, but you can also sign

1241
01:17:48.760 --> 01:17:55.640
up for a track deep in the wild forest outside

1242
01:17:55.640 --> 01:18:00.359
of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the bigfoot spots to

1243
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:04.039
look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up

1244
01:18:04.039 --> 01:18:08.119
for this and yes, this will also be filmed for

1245
01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:11.319
the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching

1246
01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:13.880
for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

1247
01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:17.119
It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

1248
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:22.239
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

1249
01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:26.880
dot com and listeners can use the code b sp

1250
01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:31.640
like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two

1251
01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:34.640
day pass for the price of a one day pass.

1252
01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:39.760
So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

1253
01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:45.880
that you guys can can get a little a little

1254
01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:49.239
help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope

1255
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:52.520
to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year.

1256
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.880
We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk

1257
01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:58.680
to so many people last year and the year before.

1258
01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:02.359
It is an incredible time. You're not going to want

1259
01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:06.680
to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we

1260
01:19:06.720 --> 01:19:09.199
wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to

1261
01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:12.600
a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,

1262
01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:16.399
any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that

1263
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:19.279
no one can explain, or if you're a National park

1264
01:19:19.399 --> 01:19:22.600
ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

1265
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:26.439
or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down

1266
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:29.039
on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a

1267
01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:33.000
federal agency, or working intelligence and you've stumbled upon something

1268
01:19:33.039 --> 01:19:36.680
you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic,

1269
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.119
or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

1270
01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:43.119
tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging

1271
01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:47.000
industry on a remote oil field or a trucker with

1272
01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:50.960
government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never

1273
01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:54.920
told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1274
01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:58.479
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1275
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:02.239
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1276
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:05.520
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1277
01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:09.359
that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA,

1278
01:20:09.560 --> 01:20:12.920
NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the

1279
01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:17.600
public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even

1280
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:22.680
if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot Society

1281
01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:25.800
at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear what

1282
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:30.319
you've been forced to carry alone. And you're not alone.

1283
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:35.680
You've got the story we've got the mic see you

1284
01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:38.239
in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode

1285
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:41.479
of The Bigfoot Society Podcast. Every encounter we share reminds

1286
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:44.039
us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think,

1287
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:47.000
and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the

1288
01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:50.279
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1296
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.720
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1297
01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:16.800
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01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.600
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