Alaska Bigfoot Encounters Unveiled: Exploring the Mysterious with Larry "Beans" Baxter

0:03 I was sitting there, and I was sitting there on the swing of the cabin, and I was just having this a moment where I was like, Man, this sucks. There's nothing here, there's nothing going on, and Jeremy, I swear to God, I couldn't make this up like no sooner and I had that thought. And I actually had this thought where I was like, man, maybe maybe I should not come out here as much and focus on other areas, because I was thinking about maybe I should go out and focus on the refuge a little bit more. I swear to God, Jeremiah. As soon as I had that thought, I heard clear as day a knock behind the cabin up in the woods, and I just I was swinging right, I'm on the swing, and I just hear that and I just stopped and I didn't hear no one. And then I don't know, fifteen twenty seconds later, an airplane went over. All right, big facity, You've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman from way up north, mister Beans Baxter, from the magnificent state of Alaska. How are you doing today, sir, Oh, I'm living the dream, Jeremiah, thanks for having me on, Oh, man, you must have some crazy dreams up there too, Dude, I can't imagine being up there. So we haven't had the privilege of meeting yet, Beans, but someday I hope to meet you in person. Big fan of your book, and we did talk.

1:29 It seems like it was maybe a year or so ago. But you are actually an author if you've written several books. You've written Abandoned The History and Horror of Port Chattam, Alaska, which if you're into the port Lock case, if you know anything about that and you want to read an amazing book about it, Beans has literally written the book on it. So I'm going to have that link in the show notes. He's got another book, Squatch Cop, Investigating in document any of the big Foot phenomenon, and that is because Beans he is a military and law enforcement veteran. We might talk about that later. He also has a brand new book that has just come out, Justice Morale and Other Fairy Tales Alaskan Cops Stories. So if you're into like cool, weird stories from the life of a police officer, we all know interesting stuff happens, Beans has the book for you. So we'll have all all of those three books linked in the show notes. But anything else that I need to throw in there being so people know what they're getting into with this interview. Oh. I do a wee little podcast every once in a while called a Last Watch that's all about big foot in the Great State of Alaska. I have a YouTube channel I sometimes I post videos on there.

2:53 I post a lot of videos from places I go and visit. There's a bunch of videos from the area. A cabin up there, me hanging out with rob Boy, menzies there, and a lot of fun stuff, a lot of if you want to try and get an idea of the lay of the land, there's some cool videos you can check out where I just walk around with my camera and just show everybody the terrain. Oh nice, definitely gonna have all that linked in the show notes, for sure. There's people love the Kenai Peninsula, I think, and it just there's so much bigfoot things going on in that area. I had just released an episode a while back, episode two fifty three big Foot Society. It was all about I talked to a gentleman who is a trucker on the Kenai Peninsula and he had a few sightings. And after I released that. Bean sent me a message on Facebook and he was like, Hey, just letting you know I've already looked into that, and it's like, no way, really, I got get you us and we can chat dude. So yeah, I would love to chat on that with you. But also we're going to cover some other things because you are quite the Bigfoot investigator up there in the great state of Alaska. But Beans, so tell me, first off, how did you find out about these this trucker's story. There's a whole thing about how

4:28 you found out about it. And then so, oh, it's funny because you release your episode and I'm listening to it. I don't get took. I regret to say I don't get to listen to every single episode because I just I listened to so many podcasts and not all of them are big Foot related. I just I get it. They build, and there's occasionally I just gotta go through it and be like, I'm probably not gonna listen to this one. I'm probably not gonna listen to this one. Yeah, especially the Alaska theme bigot ones I try and listen to. And I was listening to it and I was like, this, this sounds really familiar. I'm like, this sounds like super familiar. And so the longer the episode went on, I was like, I've heard this before. And it wasn't a report that was given to me, but I was like, I know I heard this before. So I go back and I'm like looking through some of my records and stuff, and I type in Summit Lake and I find this old report that I did. I think it was from twenty eighteen, I believe is when I did report. Yeah, and what had happened is Michael Thompson or the Sasquatch Tracker dot com it contacted me. I mean Michael or probably the as far as I know, the only like year round residents that investigate bigfoot in Alaska. I'm sure there are other enthusiasts and stuff up here, but he's a sasquatch tracker and I'm a lasquatch and he had sent me

5:58 this report and he left the gentleman's name out. I believe the gentleman in the podcast his name was Tim or that was that might have been a pseudonym. I never knew the witness's name. But he sends me this report and says, hey, this isn't too far from you. This gentleman had a sighting. He's a truck driver. Uh, you know, if you get the opportunity, you can check it out. And like I said, I live in Homer and this happened and around the Summit Lake area. So that's it's a couple hours away from me, but by Alaska terms, that's relatively close. Michael lives about ten and a half hours away from me. Nothing in Alaska's close together. So I thought, yeah, all head up there and look around. And we knew the general area, but we didn't know the exact area. And when you're saying, like what could have been between mile marker, what did he say? Forty seven? I think I have forty one to eight in my report. That's seven miles of I can't get out and walk seven miles and look for tracks in the snow, especially not on a busy highway. So so yeah, I headed up there. I headed up there during the day, drove those mile markers, drove back and forth for several hours just looking. When I was didn't have a vehicle behind me, I was crawling looking for any places where something big might across the

7:30 road. Didn't really see anything. Did see a lot of people in that area recreating. So he mentioned there's a couple of big pool outs there in the area. Of course, I was there during the daytime. There were people skiing, there were people snowmobiling. I mentioned in my report, and I'd forgotten about this, so I went back and read my report. But I was driving down the road and I'm like looking up in the woodline and I see a figure like dart between two trees and slam on my brakes and I'm looking and it's like a dude on skis, like ski. Yeah. Yeah, so that kind of gave me a start. But I think I remember I even mentioned in my report he was wearing like a yellow snowsuit or something. Definitely a dude. But yeah, it was interesting because I got to go up there and check out the area. I was put off by the amount of people that were up there and were recreating. Like I said, though I was there here in the daytime, there's not probably not a lot of people there at two three o'clock in the morning exactly. One of the other things that that kind of struck me about the areas. If there's just man people recreating in here, I would think that maybe we would get more reports out of here. There'll be some tracks or something. But again, if you're out doing winter recreation and you see some big tracks in the snow, you might think, let's snowshoe tracks or something like that. So most people don't have bigfoot on the brain, like like I would or Michael Empton Wood if we went out in the woods. So I could also see

9:03 how maybe something like that wouldn't get reported or even noticed by people that were out doing winter recreation. Another interesting fact about this area that wasn't in your episode, Jeremiah. Right around this area, there is a place called Devil's Creek Trail. Oh really, And that's interesting because there's a lot of places with Devil's Lake, Devil's Creek, Devil's Trail, Scoopum Lake, names like that, and they seem to be areas of you know, bigfoot activity that occur in those areas. I told myself, I'm like, I'm gonna look into that and see if i can find out how that place got its name and forgot about it over the years and haven't went back and researched it.

9:48 But there is a place called Devil's Creek in that vicinity that's really interesting. I'm gonna have to look up. I bet you that's in Franzoni's book. He's got that great book that goes over all the like Bigfoot related names like all over the US. It's nuts. I'll put that in the show notes too as well. There was an interesting part of that interview I did with that trucker where he mentioned that I believe he went to a small diner or cafe and he was talking to an older gentleman and they had mentioned that there was like a cabin that was in the woods outside of that same area.

10:35 In it they had stories there over the years that they'd seen Bigfoot around that cabin. Is that anything that had come up as well? Or no, I haven't heard that. I did hear it in your episode. Yeah, I know the diner he's talking about there in Cooper Landing. In fact, Cooper Landing, there's a little store called wild Man's. Oh. I've been in there and I asked the lady work and I was like, Hey, is it why and she said no, it's just it's like the nickname of the guy that owns the place or something that's not has anything to do with Bigfoot. Sasquatch, a wild man, or anything like that. Coincidentally, she did tell me that her sister had a sighting of Bigfoot and casil Off, Alaska, which isn't too far from here. But yeah, that was that was a few years ago, probably back in It was about the first time we went to Port Chattom, I think in twenty eighteen. But okay, but yeah, there's a couple of places in Cooper Landing that are are getting close to Cooper Landing that I've found tracks and had experiences myself. So it's that area. It's good, it would be good habitat. I think if they're around here, they're probably in that area and probably moved through there pretty frequently. That area in your Summit Lake, it's a pretty good amalgamation of a bunch of different You've got really tall mountains and you've got thick forest, and then you've got a few like wide open flat areas, so there's

12:07 a good mix of terrain in there and enough cover for them to stay hidden if they wanted to. Personally, I think probably with the amount of people that are creating there, they probably don't live in that particular area year round, but they may certainly pass through there. Can you explain to myself and listeners that are not Alaska based, how big the Kenai Peninsula is, maybe using like lower forty eight terms or what is it? Is it huge? It's pretty big, but it's not you can drive it in a couple of hours, okay, okay, so it's doable. It's in fact in abandoned.

12:54 I have the exact measurements. I think it's how like how long. It's something like one hundred and fifty miles long, and I can't remember how long many miles across, But there's only You've got Keenai, Soldotna, Seward, Homer, and then a couple of little towns peppered around. But other than that, it's not very it's not very there's not a lot of people inveing here. It's not very occupied. There's a lot of open space. The Kenai National Wildlife Refugees here. That's several I can't remember if it's tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of acres. It's huge, So it's there's a lot going on here, and plus some of it, like for me to get this, Seward's not as the crow fly Seward is not that far away from me. But I got to drive around the Hope Pensula pretty much.

13:50 I got to go up through Cooper landing us to the Why and then turn right to go south and go another It's like, what is it, There's four hours for me to get the Steward something like that. Would you consider that peninsula a hot spot or big foot like I hear there's so many things that are Bigfoot related that happen on that peninsula or is it is that kind of just par for the course in Alaska in general, like you're going to have. I wouldn't say it's a hot spot, but it definitely has it has hot spots on it, it makes any sense. You've got Port Chatham, which has its history. You have the villages a little bit north of Port chat I mean, you have nan Wall, like Port Graham.

14:43 Those places it's almost always you almost always hear something going on. There's some kind of big Foot story or signing or something coming out of there, and some fairly recent ones too. But then you come to Homer, not a lot going on in horror, there's not any big Foot sightings around here. Homer has been here for a long time. I think it was officially, like I believe the police department was formed in sixty four or something like that, But the town has been here longer, much longer than that, and I think probably just the amount of people here, I guess they just know to stay away. It's pretty well established. Talent's been here for a while.

15:28 Then you got keen Is sold out and up the road. Not a lot of sightings like coming out of those cities, but once you get out of them into the wildlife refuge places like that, there's activity going on and there I believe that's probably one of the hot spots. And then if you head to order to Seward, not necessarily in Seward, but outside of Seward, you know, outside around Area A, that place just an hour or two outside of Seward by boat still on the peninsula, a lot of stuff coming out of there. That's where Area A is. That's where less Strout had his heard the pant hooting or whatever. That actually wasn't very far from Area A at all. Stuff like that. So I wouldn't say you can't throw a blanket over the Kenai pensula and say it's a hot spot, but there's definitely spots within the Kenai Peninsula that you could say those you would have a better chance of activity there than in other places. Has there been a time, Beans when you've been out in the woods and something just crazy has happened, Bigfoot related, and you've been it's almost man, check please.

16:37 I don't know if I want to be here right now or just anything that you're like, wow, this has been tads. I've had a few things happened to me that kind of creeping me out. One day, I was driving through the refuge, the Kenaie Refuge there, and I'm driving along. I'm driving real slow. That's pretty much just a one lane gravel road, and I'm not I don't really have an agenda in mine. I'm just I'm just I'm watching the tree line more than I'm watching the road. I'm just trucking along, crawling along. And I see this, these two trees, two pretty large trees, crossed to making an X, and I stop and I look at them, and I'm like, I'm gonna I want to go look at that, but I don't want to park right here because it's a one lane road. But I knew there was like a little pull out like a couple hundred yards up the road. So I said, I'm gonna go up here. I'm gonna pull over, and I'll walk back, and I want to check these exits out, and I wanted to see maybe if they were natural or maybe. But one of the things that I try to look for when I find something like that, you know, is it just two trees that have just crossed over, like the one has a root system attached and my other one still has a root system attached, or is it maybe one that's been pushed over and then another one that's brought in from somewhere else and placed there. That's that was what I was looking forward to try and decide if it was natural or not. So I go park, get my backpack and stuff on, walk back down towards where I saw the xes,

18:15 keep walking, keep walking looking, don't see him, and get to the point where I'm like, okay, I know I've gone too far. Turn back around, start walking back towards the truck looking look, no exes, and I'm like, I should have thrown something out of the truck, like mark X marks the spot or something. But I'm like, okay, how am I overlooking this? These are two giant trees that were making an X formation. How can I not see this? So I'm like, maybe it's because I'm several feet lower than I was while ago. I was in my truck while ago when I saw it. Let's recreate it. So I go back, get in my truck, drive back down to where I know I've gone too far, turn around, drive back through there. Cannot find it again. Absolutely, I don't know what. I cannot explain it. I don't know where they went. That's weird. It wasn't like I just drove by and was like, I'm gonna go back. I stopped, rolled my window down, looked, didn't take a picture. Should have. It's curse a big foot. I'm gonna I'm gonna come back. I'm gonna take it.

19:27 I'm gonna look. I'm gonna want to walk out. I don't remember how far it was, probably it was less than a hundred yards from the road. I'm gonna walk out there. I'm gonna look at those trees because I want to see if that looks natural or if it's something else. Go part the truck. I don't know how long it took me. I wasn't in a hurry. Fifteen twenty minutes maybe a little bit more, came walking back and could not find it again. Didn't hear anything, didn't see anything, smell anything, but I just could not find those trees again to save my life. Man, that would mess with me for a while. I like, what is going on the same area a little bit further down the road at a campsite. I mean, and my wife were in this campsite.

20:11 It's the only camp site there. It's my favorite spot. It's right next to the lake. And we were tent camping. And this was back like I didn't have my I didn't have my audio. This is what This is why I bought an audio recorder. Something. You go out, something happens and you're like, oh, if only I had this piece of equipment, then you go buy that piece of equipment. It never happens again, exactly. So it's like three four o'clock in the morning, we're snoozing in the tent. I wake up the rollover or something, and I hear just this three or four times, this like roar, whoa. It wasn't close to us, it was echo. It was far away. It wasn't close to us enough that I was like scared, or anything. But it was loud and it was I didn't recognize it, and I just I'm just laying there listening to it, and it doesn't like three times in a row or something like that. And I asked my wife. I didn't even wake her up. I didn't nudge her. I just said, did you hear that?

21:11 And she goes, what was that? And I'm like, I don't know. She's born and raised here. I'm not, but I'm pretty familiar with the wildlife. And it certainly didn't sound like a bear. It didn't sound like any kind of It was a roar, slash scream, and it was just the weirdest thing. And like I said, I you know, if i'd had a recorder, I probably would have captured it for sure, but I didn't at the time. I do now, but it was crazy. And like I said, she's born and race here. She had no idea what it was. She's like, I didn't sound like a bear. Bears have a certain a certain cadence to him, a certain tone, and this didn't really sound like that. This sounded like it was a cross between an animal and a person yelling. It was a real sound. Man, Oh boy, that would Oh, I have yet to hear vocalization. That's going to be quite the day when that happens. But man, that's probably your military and law enforcement background came into play to you know that. That's a good question. That's a good question. Actually, have you found that having that type of background really helps you out as a bigfoot researcher? Or I think it helps me to notice things maybe other people don't a little bit better awareness of my surroundings, or I notice, oh, hey, look

22:47 there's a branch broken up here or something, or maybe a couple other people have walked under it or something. Helps in that regard. It helps with the hand print. They found an area eight. We need somebody to swab this for us, and they called me out there to do it because I've actually done that in real life before with criminal cases. I've sent DNA to the crime lab for analysis. So I felt qualified to go out there and do it because I've done it in a real world scenario before. Absolutely. Since we're on the topic of Area A, what do you think is going on out there? Man? That's just the wildest place that holds Alaskan coastal Sasquatch from small town monsters, Alex Petticoff those guys. It looks like a wild place, dude. Yeah, I think Robberry and I were just out there. When was it? Was it last month? Oh, we've been out there this year. We went out there. It was our first trip out there this year. We got to run around a little bit and we found some really interesting scat that we couldn't really identify it. It's funny because if you I've got the video of when we found it, and I walk by and I look at it, and I'm like, hey, Robberty, come here and look at this. And he comes over and he goes, you can hear that. It's awesome because you I've captured him seeing it for the first time, and he goes, oh, that looks human. Oh.

24:22 And we get to looking at it and it's pretty It's not huge by any means, but it's definitely what you would expect to come out of a probably a good sized person. And it has seeds in it, so it's probably not human. But it also it doesn't really look like any bear scat that I've ever seen. So I'll send you some pictures of it, but yeah, hey, I could put those up in the YouTube version. Yeah, it's It was definitely some interesting scat, and we ended up collecting it because I I've found scat before and not collected it, and I regretted it, so I went we went ahead and pick them up. And I'm still waiting to hear back from somebody on it. I can't tell you like what we found, but I have sent it to a few people. I had Amy Boo show it to her or what are they called the Zoo Yah Zoo book project, had her show it doesn't and the general consensus with them that was probably bear. And I don't know, Like I said, it doesn't like any bear scout I've seen. I've stepped in a lot of bear scat.

25:42 I've had it on me, and it certainly didn't look like any bear scout that I've seen, But I don't know what else it could have been. It didn't look like wolf scat or coyote scat, or move scat or deer scat or anything else that could have been in that area. And so it was some interesting looking stuff. Have you ever heard anything out of the ordinary there or experienced any weird stuff happening in area? Yeah, we talk about area and all the stuff we've experienced there, and people that listen they might think that it happens all the time you get there and there's activity up to the time to leave. It's not really like that because we don't talk about the times when we're sitting around on the porch, like drinking a coke and nothing's going on. But there is quite a bit of stuff going on out there. One of the last times I was out there last year, I was sitting on the swing and I was I'd actually been going out there quite a bit and hadn't really had anything happen, and I was actually got a little discouraged. I was like, man, the place is beautiful.

26:56 It's amazing. People pay a lot of money to go out there and spend time places like this, but you know me, I want it all. I'm sitting out there. This sucks. Where are the big footing. It's like dress, when do we get to see the dynasas exactly. I'm like in this beautiful Alaskan cabin with the mountains in the background and the sun shining, and I'm like, this sucks. And I was sitting there, and I was sitting there on the swing of the cabin and I was just having this a moment where I was like, man, this sucks. There's nothing here, there's nothing going on, and Jeremy, I swear to God, I couldn't make this up, like no sooner had I had that thought.

27:37 And I actually had this thought where I was like, man, maybe maybe I should not come out here as much and focus on other areas, because I was thinking about maybe I should go out and focus on the refuge a little bit more. I swear to God, Jeremiah. As soon as I had that thought, I heard clear as day a knock behind the cabin up in the woods, and I just I was swinging right on the swing and I just hear that and I just stopped and I didn't hear no one. And then I don't know, fifteen twenty seconds later, an airplane went over, not a little little plane, a big plane. And I was like, I wonder if it had something to do with the plane. Yeah, Anyway, I sat out on the porch like a little bit longer, and another plane went over. I didn't hear a knock, so I was like, I don't think that had anything to do with it. But then I'm like, did it have something to do with me. So I don't know.

28:33 It was just a real weird, kind of little coincidence. And I don't think it was meant to be a sign or anything. But I took it as maybe I'm not done with there yet, maybe I'll keep heading u there. And like I said, I haven't really been I haven't been completely disappointed in a while out there. It seems like something happens every time I go out there, and nothing maybe nothing major, but something happens. And like when me and Robberry went out there we found that scat. We had some really interesting audio recorded that night while we were sleeping. Yeah, I think probably. I think what's happened is they've maybe the novelty of the cabin being there's maybe worn off a little bit for them. Sure, I don't think they I don't think, if this makes any sense, I don't think they're as close to the cabin as they used to be. I think they used to spend a lot of time watching the cabin. I don't I think maybe they don't do that anymore. And I know the owner cleared some alders out by the beach, and that seems seemed like there was a lot of activity in those alders, like rocks would come flying out all those alders.

29:41 It seems like that doesn't really happen anymore. So I think maybe once they realize they're not they're not going to bother us. I think they're still around. I just don't think they spend as much time focused on the cabin as they used to, and I think they've realized that it's probably not a threat. How long do you guys usually stay there when you go to visit. Usually it depends, but usually two to four or five days. I think five days. It is probably the longest I've been out there. Be interesting. I'm sure there's been Scott has probably stayed there for an extended period of time, though, I would imagine he's told me what the longest amount of time he's been out there is. I don't remember what it is. I want to say it's something like two weeks. Oh wow, But I'm not don't quote me on that. I'm not ches. I know this year, I think there's gonna be somebody out there pretty much all of June, including Alex and I hopefully. Yeah. Big things coming, for sure, big things coming. I had a good chat with Seth about that when he was on a few weeks ago. That was yeah, oh man, as TM is doing some cool stuff in Alaska in the future, sooner than people realize.

31:03 For sure. We talked about the handprint a little bit and that was really cool because I wasn't expecting yet to be in that and you came out of nowhere. It's like, oh man, it's I'm digging. It's the bean show for a little bit. This is great and it shows you do dusting the fingerprint all that good stuff. Has there been any other info or is that kind of a thing where we may see something from that in the future. We just have to hold on, I think, and I don't have like official confirmation on this. So pick this with a big foot sized gras salt. I think that is probably going to be addressed. And Leger meat science too. Maybe. I don't know. I don't want see.

31:51 I think that's what we're they're gonna they're gonna handle that. That's awesome which is being made now. And hey, even if it's not addressed, we're still getting robot baby robot baby big Foot, which is the best thing that's in big footing for years. I think I want I want to have an actual robot baby big Foot. That would be great. Anyways, I sent those swaps to Doug, so hopefully check. Yeah, they're in good hands, and hopefully he does something with them. Oh for sure, I'm sure he will. I'm sure he will. Another thing that when a lot of people over let's say the last year or so, if you say Alaska big Foot, they're gonna they're gonna think at port Lock, Right, You've spent a lot of time researching it. I would be really curious to hear it from your perspective. Would you be able to share, like what this story area of what happened at Portlock is and then how you were involved of researching maybe what you found things of that nature. So Portlock was a little fishing village, it was. It's in Port Chatham. So you're as you leave the harbor here and head out in a Catchmac Bay and turned the corner into

33:24 the real ocean and then head down about forty miles or so when you get to the very tip of the peninsula. There's a little bay in there called Port Chatham, and inside Port Chatham is Portlock. A lot of people think that there was two towns. There was a town called Port Chatam in a town called Portlock. Port Chatham's the bay and Portlock's the town. And I actually had that clarified by someone who lived in Portlock, who grew up there, so there's no confusion of that. I still hear people say that every once in a while and I'm like, that's not accurate. And so it was just a little fishing village. It had a saw mill, it had the cannery. And what a lot of people don't really realize is back then they didn't have a lot of the regulations that they do now with fishing and stuff like that, and it wasn't really a free for all. But again, it was a little bit like the Wild West. And the saw mill built these like fish traps, and that's what they used for catching the salmon in They put them like at the head of the bays and the creeks and stuff, and they would just swim into them. And they had the logging operation that fed the saw mill that made the traps, and then they were catching all the fish. So right there, you've got they were taking the

34:55 trees and they were taking a fish. So that right there might be perceived as a potential threat a resource threat to any Sasquatch that we're living in the area. So you start hearing these stories. I think I don't have my notes in front of me, but I believe right around nineteen or eight or something like that was around the first time there was an entry in one of the Canary logs about the guy. The people didn't want to work because there was something in the forest that was like coming into town and bothering the people, and they actually hired some like Pinkerton like guards to watch the town while so the people would come in and work. I spoke with a gentleman whose grandmother actually worked in the Canary when she was a little girl. I think she said or he told her, and he told me that she was like eight years old or something like that, said she was making thirty cents a day or something like that for working in the cannery. So they didn't have unions or child labor. Yeah, imagine that, you know, wake up you're eight years old, and you get woken up and you're like, all right, you're not gonna go play today, You're gonna go work in the cannery man, and you're getting thirty cents a day. So the town it was growing, it was bustling. They were having some good years to fish.

36:30 And then and the nineteen was it nineteen forties, you start hearing about things like there was I know it was thirty eight, nineteen thirty eight. You had you had a prospector go missing. Somebody came in went up into the hills to look for gold. He turned up missing. He had the death of Andrew Camlock, who was out running a logging operation. They found him dead. They said that he was crushed with a piece of logging equipment that was too big for a man to lift or a person to lift. And they blame this thing they called the Nanti knock, which is their version of a big foot. And I mentioned this in the book, and it's pretty cool because you know, you hear nanton knock means big foot, and technically they say nanton knock means a giant hairy thing or a big hairy man, and then you also hear it doesn't really translate well and there's no official like translation for it. And that's my favorite definition is that one is it just doesn't translate well, that we don't understand what it is. They give it a bunch of different abilities. The kushtaka and some of the other native lower creatures. They say it can shape shift, they say it has red eyes. They say it comes when it's foggy, it can come on the mist. They give it some supernatural attributes. And it was a time when

38:07 people were uncertain and they were scared. They weren't sure what was going on. And eventually, by nineteen fifty the town was abandoned and nobody lived there anymore. The postmaster, they said, was the last person to leave. Over time, the legs like grew and got exacerbated. I know on the internet. I can't believe something got blown out of proportion. Yeah, it got turned into a bigfoot massacre, which it wasn't. Basically, there was a series of strange and unfortunate events that they attributed to the NATO knock that may have been responsible, but there were also some economic reasons and stuff that led up to the abandonment of the town. But you still have missing people, you still have unexplained deaths, you still have bigfoot signings there. There's there was a gentleman who said that he saw a big foot walking along the beach. He said, I was carrying a club and the gentleman. He's passed away. Now, he'd passed away before I read his account. But I would love to sit down with that gentleman ask him like why did you say club and not stick or a log? Like why did you say he was carrying a club? But yeah, there's just a lot of bigfoot lore, nanto knockle lore in that area. And honestly, it may have had

39:42 something to do with the town of being abandoned and people wanting to leave, But personally, I don't think it was the main reason. I think it might have been a contributing reason. A lot of times today Jeremiah with like things. There's no, there's not there's a lot of divisiveness, there's no a lot of them. Maybe Okay, this person believes this, and this person believes that. Maybe he has a good point and she has a good point. Maybe there's some truth. It's got to be this way or it's got to be that way or yeah nothing, yeah, And I've heard a lot of people say, oh, there was no big foot Masaker, then that whole story is bunk, And I don't know. Well, there's there's some good stuff in there. There's some good scary creepy stuff in the history of Port Chatham, but it's not. It wasn't the big Foot massacre that some people make it out to me, gotcha, maybe not as killer as some people would say. Like I was saying, though you do have the resources being depleted. They were taking the trees, they were catching the fish.

40:50 If there was like a perfect storm, yeah, for to create angry big Foot, but to create a avenging Batman Bigfoot, it would have been that time and probably that place because there. I think it's a very good environment for them. Honestly, it's not a hop, skip and a jump away from Area A, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility to believe that you could walk to Area A from there. It would take you a long time, but it could happen. It's a lot of the same terrain.

41:32 There are some like glaciers and stuff you would probably have to cross over. I don't I don't think it would be I'm not gonna say human couldn't do it, but it would be very difficult. But it's not beyond the realm of possibility. They're connected by land. It's just a lot of land in between them, so there's actually there's a documentary that you had. I believe it was you with Stephen Major that had put together about the expedition to go out there as well. People can read your book, but they could also watch it on certain platforms as well. Did you notice anything once you actually got there in person, you set foot in the area. Was there anything that stepped out to you that you hadn't really made the connection before you'd been able to go there in person? There was, there were It was an amazing experience. It was one of those things that I wish I could go back and experience it again for the first time, just stepping off the boat and getting there and then just realizing how wild it is and how thick the forest it. We're walking through there, we're bushwhacking, and I'm thinking, like, how in the hell I couldn't imagine going there today and building a town like it? Just to me, it would just see these people.

43:04 They didn't have chainsaws, they didn't have you know, they didn't have heavy equipment, they didn't have four wheelers, they didn't have anything that we would take over there with us to help make any kind of endeavor like that easy. And You've got to think these people are showing up, probably with like axes and rope and just whatever they and they're building houses and they're clearing trees and they're they're just making this place. They're civilizing this place, putting the village here. And I can't imagine doing that today with today's technology. Just how what an undertaking that would be, just how thick it is and how unforgiving the terrain is. And that was one of the things that really struck me. It was just like, man, I can't believe this place was ever a town, just as wild as it is. And then we're walking along through there. We're walking, and then we do we find we start finding structures with a few remaining like structures over there. And then that was another sober and momental Man, somebody lived here. This was somebody's like house, and that's crazy to think that somebody was was probably born there and then moved away. And here it sets still today, and it survived the nineteen sixty four earthquake, it survived a few bigger earthquakes we've had since then, and it's just neat to see that. And then they have the machinery still there from the cannery, the canneries all gone okay, but you can

44:36 see that some of the machinery. And it's interesting because we were walking along the beach and we find this section of beach it's kind of littered with like old, rusty like equipment, and they're like, that's weird. How did that get here? It's just here on the beach. Then when you walk around and you walk up on the cliffs above the beach there you can see what's happening is the water, you know, the ocean is eroding that cliff face, and that equipment is still up there on that cliff, and that equipment that's on the beach has fallen through erosion. It's fallen off the cliff, and there's still some stuff up there. There's still some equipment up there, and we got we got some footage and some pictures of it. But eventually, like and another fifty hundred years, that stuff's probably gonna be gone too, because it's just gonna fall off into the ocean. That's wild man.

45:24 Yeah, listeners, if if you're not aware of what we're talking about, you gotta hit up some of the links I got in the show notes, and you gotta check his book out. And check out that documentary as well. It's a it's a fascinating look at something you may have seen another way, and it'll be worth your time for sure. And you know how there's people that that kind of focus on area history and they're like civil war buffs or they're they're like maritime you know buffs or something like that. They just they focus on a specific era or a specific thing in history, traveling, carnivals or something like that's the area. There's a section of history buffs that you'll find, particularly around Alaska, Southeast Alaska, Washington, and scattered along the coast in Canada that focus a lot on the history the fishing and cannery history. And during there was a lot of cannaries that would just they would pop up and they would last for a year or two and then they would go away, or they would move or something would happen, and there's a lot of these like history buffs. That's what they focus on, is like cannary history. And the thing is, though there's almost no information about the Port Chatham Cannery, there's a little bit and you can look at it

46:55 and find some stuff. I found some actually some pretty cool property records when I was doing my research, I found like a bill of sell somebody bought the pool hall for a dollar or something. That was probably one of those They won it in a card game and they had to do the bill of sale, but they had to put an amount on there, so they did a dollar. But yeah, there's not a lot of information out there about the cannery or the company. And from what I understand, when the cannery closed here, they moved down to Washington and opened up. I think it might even call the Portlock Cannery down and Washington. They might still be around for all I know, But there's just like a gap in the history for when they were in Port Chat. There's not a whole lot of information.

47:47 Very interesting. Is there anything right now that has you awake at night that's keep keeping you awake to do with big Foot that you're currently researching. I think about that handprint a lot, and what the what the what the results of those swabs are going to be? Yeah? Yeah, for those that haven't said, I believe it's the Lasting Coastal sund squash, I believe it's part two. Yeah, Alex and his buddies are at the cabin out there at the area A and Alex is walking. I think he's walking back from to the cabin from being up in the woods behind the cabin. It just happens to see this handprint on the back of the cabin, and it was it was a pretty good It was a good print. You could see dermal ridges. It was a good site. It wasn't huge, it was within the human range. But it was a big hand. It was bigger than my hand, which I have skinny, little girly fingers, but it was bigger than my hand. I'm pretty big guy. And so they took a lot of pictures of it, and they wanted to swab it, and they called me in to do the swabbing, and I went in and use some some swabs that I like to use back in my police career. They're called

49:20 capture swabs, and they have a little plastic tube at the top, so after you swab something, you can close the tube and the swab is protected. That way you don't have to worry about, you know, like hitting something else with it. I collected a bunch of those and some off the Doug Hicheck and we're awaiting the testing of those. And that's I would say. If anything with Bigfoot keeps me awake in hind it's wondering what's going to come back with those I know, Doctor Meldrum is pretty convinced it's a human print, and like I said, it's certainly not beyond the size or of range for a human print, but it's really weird in the area it was at and I just can't explain how it got there. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It was probably about I don't remember the exact measurements, but it's like five or six feet off the ground. It's right underneath the bunk room window where they've had some stuff go on before. You know, the story of the cooler remind me. So this room where they found on the outside of the cabin where they found this hamdprint. That room before the cabin was finished. They had it was framed up and they had kind they were starting to wall it in and it didn't have a front door, so they had like a little wood like I don't know, the two some

50:50 two by fours or something they were making. They had a little ramt going up into that room and it didn't have a door. So at night when they go to sleep, they just put this piece of drywall. I don't know if it's drywood, drywall re applywood, but they put it up to close that off, and they'd slide this big yetdy cooler in front of it. And this is one of those big, yety cooler like you could put a body in it. Wow, it's it's it takes two people to carry it. It's one of it's probably it's four foot or something. It's a big cooler. It's an awesome cooler too. It keeps stuff cold for days. Anyway, they would slide that cooler up there and it was full.

51:34 I had a bunch of meat and stuff in it for their meals for a while. I where this is. They didn't have electric or anything out there yet, so they had that door sealed off with that piece apply wood. They had to cooler propping that piece of wood up there. And there's a couple of guys sleep in that room. This one morning, it was like three four o'clock in the morning something like that. Something outside the cabin pushes on that that makeshift door. That that cooler that probably weighs anywhere from between forty and sixty pounds, slides across the room and hits the wall on the other side. The makeshift door falls in and people start yelling. The guys in the room they start yelling, go away, bear, go away bear.

52:27 They can't see anything, but they're assuming it's a bear. And then as everybody's getting scott actually the owner of the cabin actually comes running out of his bedroom with the shotgun and he's got to run like around the cabin to get to that room. And he says he's running around the cabin to get in there. He hears sum up the hill. Oh man, So that room where that happened, that's the room where the handprint was found on the outside of the cabin. That's awesome. That's a really cool additional story to know about that. Yeah, that's very cool. It'll be very interesting to see what info comes out in the future about that, hopefully. But I've got a left field question for you beans. I've talked to a few people about Alaska things over the last year. Head an episode where it talked to a gentleman. It was about southeast Alaska. But I'm just curious at you've researched a lot on the Kenai Peninsula. Have you ever run into anything to do with four toad Bigfoot. No, I haven't helped you four toad tracks or toad anything. Okay, cool. Supposedly if you do, you want

53:58 to watch your back because they're super They're the ultimate and aggressive Bigfoot, so watch out for sure. It was the stories that he was sharing. It was on in Clook on Southeast Alaska. Oh. Is that the Salvation Army guy? Yeah? Yeah, he's a cool dude. Yeah, you heard that one. Very nice guy. Man. I am. I have a feeling that we might be seeing more of you in the future, and I hope you show up in some of the STM stuff we'll see. But well I should, I should be in some of the stuff they're gonna do this trip coming up in June. Both Alex and myself are going to be speakers at the Boy Real Bigfoot Expo June tenth and eleventh. I don't know if it's coming out before or after that, but that's going to be in Fairbanks, and we're really look it's going to be the second one we've done.

54:58 Doctor Meldrum's going to be there. Jonathan Redbird over from the Unsolved Mysteries. He's one of the Novajo Rangers. I'm looking forward to sitting down with him and telling cops stories. I think that's gonna be fun. Dude. Oh, that would be a great episode if you could. Oh, man, that's a podcast episode. I don't know. We're gonna be doing a live podcast from the expo. I haven't really decided what we're gonna do it about, you know, because on one hand, I'm like I could sit down and because I've got some a lot ask a big Foot questions, I'd like to ask Doctor Meldrum. Oh for sure. Man. So I don't know what we're gonna do, but they're gonna be at some point. We're gonna be recording a live podcast during the expo, and we're gonna have a big speakers panel at the end. There's gonna be a Canadian gentleman there. I'm not super familiar with him, Red Grossinger. Apparently he's written a couple of books. I think he maybe he's a retired military gentleman. I believe he okay, is from the Yukon, or maybe he lives in the Yukon now some ploy Yeah I've heard this. Yeah, I've heard a little bit about him. Yep, that would be very interesting. I need to look more into him for sure. What's his name is? Subarctic Sasquatch. Fred Rowell's going to be there. That guy's cool, man. Yeah, he's an interesting guy. Oh jeez. And Rob Roy I think this is Rob Roy's.

56:20 I think this is his first appearance at a conference that he's going to be He's going to be a speaker and he's gonna be have a booth and be selling his bigfoot art. But man, it's gonna be awesome. Get together. That conference is the one that's one of the ones that definitely go to this year, is what it sounds like for sure. And Michael Thompson, a sasquatch tracker, the one that ordered me to report to summit. Like there he is going to be speaking and he's going to be giving a track casting workshop. Whoa really Yeah, dude, that's a legit man, Oh my goodness. Definitely going to have the info for that in the show notes. I'm pretty sure this will come out before then too, so people can check it. I'll make sure that it does. Says. I'm a one man thing. I can make that happen. Beans. It's been really fun chatting with you. This has been long overdue I definitely hope to catch up with you again in the future, But can you take a few minutes and remind people how they can keep up to date with all the cool Alaska big foot stuff that you're doing up there. Oh, I have a website, a Last Watch podcast dot com. You can go there. You can listen to the last episode. You can there's links to my videos in there.

57:49 I've got a little store where you can pick up my books. If you want autograph copies, that's where you need to pick them up, or find me at a conference. I've got a band in the History of Horror Chatham. I've got Squatch cop which is how to guide how to collect evidence and document. It felt like there was maybe a little bit of a It was just a little bit of a gap in the big foot community with stuff like that. There's a lot of good encounters and stories, but there's not a lot of good instruction manuals out there on how to do stuff like that, like what happens when you go out in the woods and you do find something? Oh yeah, sure. And my newest book, which just came out today. I actually just got my copies like five minutes before we jumped on here. I have justice, Morale and other fairy tales, a lasting cop stories. It's there's fifty stories in here, fifty short stories for my time and uniform. Some of them are funny, some of them are just give you a little insight into what it's being like a cop in Alaska, and some of them are just a little weird. There's some stories that were passed on to me from other police officers that I just felt like, Man, this needs the this needs to we need to carry the story off.

59:08 We've got a document this for prosperity's sake. So there's a couple of stories in there that I think are just classic stories that I wanted to keep keep out there and keep people up talking about and entertained with. So that just came out. So it's not on my website yet, but it'll probably will be by Monday or Tuesday. And a very good Yeah, it's been great chatting with you, beans, and thank you so much for coming on, dude, thank you for having me man. I love I love talking about Alaska and big Foot. It's my favorite two things. You'd like to make a special one time donation to big Foot Society. You can head on over to to buy me a coffee page. I'd like to shout out Brian Corbin this week for buying five coffees which will greatly help with our upcoming trip to Monsterfest and beautiful Canton, Ohio. His message says, can't wait to hear how Monsterfest goes. I'll be sharing that with the Patreon, of which Brian is also a member. Rock on, Brian, You're a great guy.

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