Oct. 2, 2025

Bigfoot in the Meadow — And He Had No Idea We Were Watching | Oregon

Bigfoot in the Meadow — And He Had No Idea We Were Watching | Oregon
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Season 1

What happens when a seasoned Oregon hunter finally sees what he's only ever dismissed as myth? In this chilling episode, we sit down with Jim — an experienced outdoorsman who spends over 300 days a year deep in the woods of the Pacific Northwest. From the slopes of Peavine Mountain to the dark timber of Hillockburn Road, Jim shares his firsthand encounters with something massive, silent, and terrifying. You’ll hear about a Sasquatch stalking an elk cow, a mountain lion fleeing in pure fear, and unexplained howls echoing through the Clackamas canyons. With one sighting near Last Creek that changed his life — and another years later high in the snow-covered hills near Goat Mountain — this episode pulls you into the forests where most never dare to go. Don’t miss this gripping tale of what’s watching from the shadows.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Jim today. Jim is

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a hunter who reached out to me from the Pacific

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Northwest over email. He has been out there quite a bit,

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that's an understatement, and he's had some really interesting things happen.

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Areas will be talking about today have definitely come up

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on the show. If you're aware of the Oregon Bigfoot Highway,

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then you'll probably be familiar with a lot of the

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areas we'll be talking about today. But welcome to the show, Jim.

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How are you doing, sir?

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I'm doing great. Thank you how are you doing doing good?

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We've already had a little chat before you went out

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and and went hunting. I think it was maybe a

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week or so ago, and that was that was an

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enjoyable time, and I've been looking forward to chatting with

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you again because you are definitely an individual who I mean,

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the amount of time you spend in the woods is incredible.

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Do you mind sharing a little bit about how much

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time you're actually out there every year?

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I'm out there a bunch, you know, on on my

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busier years, I'm probably in the woods maybe three hundred

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days a year. You know, people people have a lot

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of things they do for entertainment. I scout around and

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take drives in the mountains and you know, try to

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try to get out and venture and keep on top

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of what the animals are doing and so on and

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so forth. So I hunt virtually almost year round. I

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bring bear hunt, do quite a bit of scouting leading

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into that, and then from you know, spring bear we

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go right into we go right into the summertime, which

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then it's time to start following the elk and keeping

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an eye on where the bucks are, and and then

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we turn around and August first we open up fall

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bear season, and then September first or right about there,

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we open our archery elk season, and then October first

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we open our black tail deer season, and then and

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then that goes all the way into the first week

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in November, and then the second week in November we

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start our rifle elk season, and then if we haven't

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gotten fall bears yet, then we you know, continue to

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hunt bears all the way till the thirty first of December,

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depending on weather. But typically the only time that I'm

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not there regularly in the mountains is is you know,

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probably you know, Christmas up through February first or so,

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and then we go snow wheeling. So we go four

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wheeling in the snow because you know, that's that's what

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you can do at that time of year. So and

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then my kids. I have four boys, and and they

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two of my boys or nephews that I raised, and

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they all hunt different seasons, so it gives me the

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opportunity to go with them on all the seasons I

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don't hunt. So we're hunting archery elk right now. And

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I do a lot of calling and that kind of

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stuff for them, and tons of scouting and and when

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we can't find animals. We go separate ways until one

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of us gets into them, and then you know, we

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get together that evening and come up with a plan

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to go to the area where the animals are. And

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so that's why I get to hunt all these different seasons.

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Is pretty much between my you know, my immediate family.

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We have we have tags for every season there is,

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so I guess that's kind of the kind of the

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the store on how I spend so much time up there.

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And I'm also thirty minutes away from the mountain, so

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you know, I can be in thirty minutes, I can

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be up the corridor in Malala thirty minutes, I can

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be well up the Clockmas River outside of a stacata

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and then everything in between started to start it up there.

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When I was a little little kid, my dad took

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me camping up there and he started dragging me around

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hunting with him when I was about eight years old.

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We can't hunt here until twelve years old. Well we

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can now there's a few new things going on where

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you can mentor kids and let them hunt with your

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tag and that kind of stuff. But that was, you know,

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when I was growing up that wasn't the case, but

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my dad wanted me used to it, and he loved

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the mountains, so he he, you know, gave me my

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first hunting rifle, my thirty add six, and when I

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was eight years old, he had me start carrying it

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around in the woods. Well, I followed him deer hunting

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and el hunting and that kind of thing. So that's

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kind of the story of how I am end up

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spending a ton of time there.

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Wow, Jim, you're one of those guys. I could imagine

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you know every creature that's in the woods of this

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Clackamis County area, you know every sound. I mean, you've

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got it just locked down in the in the knowledge

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category of this area, which is extremely active Bigfoot area.

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Do you remember was there a time when you realized, Hey,

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there's something else going on out here. Maybe you had

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an experience or an encounter that really kicked things off.

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I'd had ton of a ton of experiences from age

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thirteen all the way to date, but you know, I

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wasn't you know, I really didn't have a lot. I

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don't know, I was on the fence. I you know,

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I didn't not believe that, you know, there was there

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was a creature out there that people call sasquatch. I

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did not believe it, but I was the type that

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would if you believed in it, I'd argue, you know,

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against you, And if you didn't believe in it, I'd

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argue against you. So I just, you know, it was

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just kind of on the fence and didn't really think

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much of it. Later on in the late nineties, when

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I actually saw one that changed everything, it was a

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very interesting feeling. I spent a lot of time. For example,

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you know, I'd find elk a day or two before

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the elk season would open, and I just follow them,

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and wherever I spent the night in the woods, I

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could be, you know, miles from the truck I could.

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I'd just spend the night there and wake up and

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be with the herd in the morning. And not many

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people are are It's it's spooky, especially the first handful

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of times you do it spooky just to go to

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sleep out in the middle of nowhere in the timber

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when they're you know, you have none of your typical securities.

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I mean, I was armed, so that's that's a security.

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But you can be armed and you don't and not

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feel safe. When things can come at you from any

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direction and you don't have any way to see it.

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Once you see something like that, those nights of hiking

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miles and miles and and laying down in the woods

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become few and far between. It definitely changes. I when

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I was young, I had fear of you know, noises

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I didn't recognize, and those kind of things, and you

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probably a fear of getting lost. And that was that's

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you know, I kind of point that to why I

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know that country so well pretty much from you know,

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Mounta Hood to Detroit, and I know a lot of

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other country in Oregon, but that, you know, that's my

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stomping grounds. That's when we were kids growing up, you know,

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as soon as we had driver's licenses, you know, me

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and my buddies would head up there every second we

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could after school, after you know, on the weekend, you know,

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you name it. That's that was our That was our

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stomping grounds. And we were constantly exploring. And I went

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out of my way to learn the country is good

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or better than probably anyone out there, because I had

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a kind of a fear of being lost. And that

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was about the peak of it. And you know, the

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when when I had actually seen one of these things

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in person. It it it changed everything. I sat and

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watched this thing, and I was so afraid with a

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rifle in my hand. I even had a friend with

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a rifle in his hand right next to me. And

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we were hidden in the hidden in the in the woods,

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watching this little meadow that was you know, kind of

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at the kind of at the top of a deep,

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dark timbered canyon and small little meadow. And and when

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that thing, when we saw that thing, it neither one

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of us moved. In fact, we we were so afraid

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to move, we didn't. I mean we didn't. We kind

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of looked at each other. We never said a word,

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and we ended up not walk We walked out of

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there probably an hour and a half after dark. It

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took us that long to get the nerve to move

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because we were afraid to'd see us. And in this case,

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this thing didn't see us. It had no idea we

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were there. So it was, you know, the fear of

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it realizing we were there, that that was just climbing

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inside of us. It was. It was pretty crazy.

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Oh wow, So this entire time you're having this sighting,

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it doesn't know you're there. It's kind of like you're

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almost observing something at the zoo, but I mean it's

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you're out there in the woods. Are we able to

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share where this took place? I think I have it

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in the email here, but I'm just taking.

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Yeah, that that took place. The creek bottom that the

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meadow sits up above is is last creek which comes

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off It's it's south of PV Mountain and actually the

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road that goes to the top of p Vine Mountain,

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it was within within the road that comes from Tevine

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the top of p Vine Mountain. If you follow it

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to the south, it comes out and tees into a

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road called forty two ten, And maps maps can be confused.

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Some maps will say that that's forty two, but it's

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actually forty two ten forty Unfortunately, map these maps for

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this for the Bigfoot Highway area, a lot of them

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are not after it. The road placements are accurate, but

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the road number names and things can be wrong, even

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from the Forest Service. So if you tee into the

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forty two ten road and you were to go west,

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within two hundred yards is where I actually had my

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truck parked and and and had it you know, walked,

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you know, south, directly into what would be you know,

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it's about all forty year old timber now, but at

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the time you know it was it was just basically

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very large breed grow or a reprod and there's a

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couple of little hidden meadows in there. It's very thick,

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but there's some hidden little meadows and some old skid

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roads from when they originally logged it, and we usually

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sneak down the skidder roads and then it goes into

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heavy timber right as you kind of break over the

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edge and draw and you start heading down to the creek.

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It's pretty steep, pretty deep, and pretty steep, but there's

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not real bad if you're used to the area. If

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you're not used to the area, it would be very

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steep and dark and scary, but if you're used to

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the area, it's about you know, five on the difficulty,

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you know, level of the timber and how dark and

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steep it is. And there where we were sitting, it

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was kind of funny because we were driving in and

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we were the highway was still closed down. In nineteen

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ninety six, the big flood washed out a bunch of

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a bunch of the Highway and the only way to

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get into like Highway sixty three going up the calaw

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Wash River and all that was to go up over

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Mount Hood and come in on Highway forty two, which

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is Skyline Road, and then you'd have to basically, you know,

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come all the way back in you know, probably I

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don't know, fifteen fifteen miles or twenty miles, put twenty

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miles at least, yeah, and then you'd have to drop

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down to the Highway forty six and work your way

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through the road which was very in very bad shape also,

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and then down to sixty three and go up to

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calla wash. And we intended to el kint up there

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the night. This was the night before before Cascade elk season,

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which is the third Saturday of October, or was until

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the last couple of years. We were that Friday night.

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It's about one in the morning, and we were using

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down forty two ten and a giant bull elk ran

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across the road and a young raghorned bull was following

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right behind them, and they were scared out of their

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wits and they don't usually move, you know, like that

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at one in the morning unless something's on them. Well,

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they ended up crossing the road. So we changed our

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mind and decided we were going to stay there the

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rest of the night, and we'd sneak into where the

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elk ran and you know, first at first light, And

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oddly enough, we wait till first light, and the elk

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were there, but we never saw them. And we had

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come back around lunchtime, and and we're sitting at the

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truck bs ing and all of a sudden, out of

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the blue, this great, big bull out comes running out

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of the woods and runs is running down the road

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away from us, and we're all sitting there, none of

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us even have our rifles in our hands. They're sitting

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in the back and on the back of the trucks

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and this and that, and we're we're looking at each other,

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going well, and that bull takes off running in there,

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and then we decide, okay, well, we'll figure out a

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place to camp somewhere nearby, and we're going to go

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ahead again in the evening. And we had been visiting

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for probably another hour, and all of a sudden we

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hear this rustling in the woods and a mountain lion

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comes scrambling out of the same place that that big

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bull elk came running out of which was you know,

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that last creek area in there. It came running out

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across the road with its tail between its legs. And

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I've never seen a mountain lion under any circumstances with

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its tail between its legs. No matter what they're going through,

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usually you can tell their demeanor by the way their

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ears are, whether they're going to attack, or whether they're,

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you know, curious, or whether they don't care about you.

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It's all about how their ears are setting usually, And

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unlike a dog or something like that, where you'd watch

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the tail, and this thing scrambled across the road just

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like the bull el did. And we thought that was

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one of the strangest things we've ever seen. And we

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ended up hanging out and deciding to go in a

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couple hours before before dark, and we hiked down this

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little little skidter road. It's overgrown, but it's a nice

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little trail, and me and me and one of my

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buddies that my my boy and my buddy's wife ended

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up going the other side of the road where it

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appeared that the herd was and we got down in

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there and and found that little meadow and well, we

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knew the meadow was there. We just were going to read,

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you know, we just needed to relocate it. And we

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found the meadow. Instead of walking into the meadow or anything,

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we kind of fish hooked around off of that you know,

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little trail and or skidter road and got ourselves back

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in the brush where there was nothing backgrounding us, you know,

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to where we weren't We weren't silhouettes of any way.

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We were hidding really really well in a nice quiet

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place where we had a good shooting lane into that meadow.

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And oh maybe at thirty minutes went by, and we

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could hear a couple of little sticks break, and a

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cow elk comes walking out of the timber into the

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meadow and is walking from right to left to me

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a lot pretty much within a couple of yards of

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the timber line, and walking through that meadow, and the

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elk starts to turn to go into the woods, and

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all of a sudden, here comes another one right out

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of the exact same place the cow walked out, walked

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out of the timber. And it ends up that this

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is not an elk. It's on two legs, and it

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followed right behind that cow elk just very slowly walking.

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And that's when we looked at each other and we

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looked back and it was insane. It' I think what

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was going through our heads after talking about it a

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lot since then, is that neither one of us could

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figure out what it was or why or was it?

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You know, and it it was very much like you

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know a lot of people say apes, they say humans.

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They say it had more human characteristics than anything. I

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mean the way it walked, and it was deliberately following

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that cow elk. I don't know if it was practicing

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its hunt or if it was getting ready to hunt,

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or I mean, who knows what was going on there.

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It appeared that he was hunting that elk. Can I

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say he? I don't know if it was he or she.

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It didn't have breasts, but you know, it's it's interesting

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because we were so scatterbrained looking at this thing that

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people talk about their eyes and their colors and this,

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and that the face on this thing was a blur.

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It literally was so well put together in natural camouflage

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that there were no highlights on the face at all,

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absolutely not. You couldn't see details of the eyes. It

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definitely had a very flat face. It did not have

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you know, any kind of a you know, I call

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it a dog's nose, a beak. It didn't have any

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kind of beak whatsoever. It was it was just similar

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to what a human would be. And the other thing

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that was really different compared to you know, the thousands

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of stories I've heard, is that at the tallest, this

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was maybe seven and a half feet tall. I would

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say probably closer to seven feet. I'm six three, and

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it wasn't It wasn't a lot taller than me. It

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was big. It was very scary, so it had to

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look to it that it could do whatever it wanted.

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I would say in this case, I you know, some people,

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some people say, gosh, you know, my gun wouldn't have

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been enough to kill it. I would disagree with that.

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I could have killed it, but I didn't know what

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it was. I even at you know, I was thirty

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yards away from it, and I could not verify what

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it was. I was. I mean, my mind was going

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on thousand miles an hour trying to figure out what

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the heck this thing is, and you know, the thought

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kept crossing that it was like a human in a suit,

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you know, I mean, there was no possible way that

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was the case. But your brain is still you know it,

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you know, And maybe maybe I wasn't prepared for it

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because I've never gone out looking for it. Could be

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that maybe my mind just wasn't prepared. But my mind

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couldn't settle it just you know, and I couldn't focus

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on any part of it. It was really, really weird.

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I find myself looking up and down it, like you

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see somebody stunning and you naturally, without you know, without

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putting an effort, you'd naturally kind of look up and

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down them. And it was like that. I found myself

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going up and down and up and down trying to

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figure this out, and it was it was interesting. It

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was very scary. I did feel like, you know, if

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you shot it, you better kill it because it'd probably

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rip you apart. And knowing how fast bearers move in

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the woods, from the appearance, it looks like this thing

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would be pretty fast and the bear can close the

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gap of thirty yards and just I mean it seems

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like a second they're so fast, and yeah, that was

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kind of kind of it. We stayed there until until dark,

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and then we went ahead and stayed up there the

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next morning, and we've seen exactly where it walks. So

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my friend drove back to town. The friend that was

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was with me. And by the way, that friend was

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one of the total when any of anybody ever said

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anything about Bigfoot or sasquatch, he was absolutely no possible

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way in heck that such a thing exists, absolutely no

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way until that moment. And that moment changed his life

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and his beliefs. I'll tell you it was. It was

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probably more devastating for him because I was kind of

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open minded that there was a possibility of something like this,

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but you know, he was completely close to the whole idea.

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And so he went back to town and got plaster

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and came back and casted an absolutely perfect print that

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you know going through that meadow. And we saw him standing,

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we saw him make the print, we saw him standing

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in it. So there's no question whether that print was

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real or not. And the funny thing is it is

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like a few years back, this is clear back, and

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lately in the late nineties has happened. And a few

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years back he took that he took that casting into

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the North American Bigfoot Museum. There the Cliff character and

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they glanced at the at the track and said it

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wasn't real, and I'm like, yeah, well when you see

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it standing in it, you know it's real. Yeah. So

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that was kind of something else that it kind of

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makes you know, I don't there's not you know, I

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don't follow really, you know, I'll watch YouTube stuff. I like,

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I say, I'm not and not going to be a researcher.

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They're just there's way too much controversy over that. And

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I like to hunt. I don't, you know, I don't

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like to go I don't. I don't like to go

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out there and chase, chase, you know, critters that you know,

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some people believe in and others don't. It's just to me,

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it's kind of a waste of my time. It just

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happens to be the areas that I go in. I

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seem to have a lot of activity. But again I'm

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you know, when you hunt down many years up there,

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you go to the places that you rarely see anyone.

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And I think that that's very much the case. I

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heard your interview with Oh, the guy that a lot

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of people think is crazy that I think his last

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name starts with the oh, my goodness. Anyway, he's talked

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about Scookum Lake and that kind of stuff. And I've

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actually seen that guy up at scook Them Lake. Had

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no idea until.

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Oh Henry Franzoni. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, he's no longer

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with us, but that's incredible. That's where he had. Okay, so,

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oh man, there's this This interview is going to be nuts.

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There's a few questions I want to ask before we

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leave this the Pvine Mountain area. But I'm going to

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make a note about Henry Franzonio. Yeah, he's a what

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a guy. I'm gonna make a note about that. Okay.

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So you have the sighting and it doesn't see you,

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So you're saying that it pretty much just it keeps

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following the elk cow and then it leaves the area.

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Correct, yep, had followed that that cow right into the

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timber exactly where that it basically followed that elk's footprints,

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and it literally right behind it. I would say that,

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you know, inside of inside of twenty feet behind it,

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following along. It was very very close to that elk,

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and the elk, you know, didn't didn't respond to it

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at all. So it was really really interesting because you know,

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elk are pretty spooky typically want an elk smell it's over.

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You know, they can look at you, they can hear you.

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They won't put a lot of a lot of stock

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into it, but if they smell you, it's over. And

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I don't know anyway that you could be twenty feet

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away following especially, I mean it's things not walking in

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a straight line into the wind. It's literally kind of

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come out of the woods a little bit of a

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straight line and made a bend and now going another direction.

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There's no way you could make that loop without getting

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wind of it. But the cow elk just walked on

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and that thing followed it. And you know, there was

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never any breakout where the elk took off. You can

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definitely hear once an elk gets spooped and it runs,

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it makes a lot of noise. So yeah, it was.

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It was. It was crazy and that thing never took

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its eyes off. That never took its eyes off that cow.

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And maybe that's why, you know, we I couldn't tell you,

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you know, really good details of the facial I remember

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thinking how well the face blant in and it was

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shocking to me that I remember the hands definitely being

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they were they were clearly bald on the bottom of

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the hands. There was hair on the back of the hands,

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and then it seemed that the that the hair kind

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of started about halfway up the side of the hand

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or the finger. But the hands definitely looked like an

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old working man's hands, just you know, probably you know,

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twice his fingers twice as bulky as what you would

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consider for something that size. The you know, the arm

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length was. It was right in the middle of what

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you know, some people say normal length, some people say

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down around the knees. His arms definitely, his fingertips definitely

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did not touch his knees. I would say, you know this,

458
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His fingertips were three quarters the way down his thighs.

459
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.240
And yeah, he never never once looked at us. So

460
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:05.960
that may have been why we couldn't get your or

461
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.440
why I didn't see any details to his faith is

462
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.079
that he was focused on that cal the entire time.

463
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:16.000
Absolutely. Who has the track.

464
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.839
Cast, my buddy, he's over in Montana.

465
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.680
Okay, very cool, very cool. That's cool. He still has it,

466
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:25.799
and the sounds like it did really affect him. So

467
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:29.880
tell me about you know, the Scookum Lake area. There's

468
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:32.119
a lot of history to that area. And it sounds

469
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:35.240
like you had a time where you actually ran into

470
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.519
Henry Franzoni at that area. I'd love to hear about that.

471
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:41.519
Yeah, I mean, I had no idea who he was,

472
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:44.359
and quite honestly, I thought that he was a little

473
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.920
bit crazy. But you know, I have quite a bit,

474
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.519
you know, I have a much more open mind now,

475
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.920
you know, to what was going through his head. But

476
00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.599
you know, I'm not saying I'm, you know, hundred percent

477
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.079
sold on his whole ideas and all that. But you know,

478
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.880
they who's to say, you know, But yeah, I spent

479
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:09.720
a lot of time up at skook theming up at

480
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.039
a lake called Surprise Lake, which is just west across

481
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:18.799
the canyon from scuok Them Lake, which is very Surprise

482
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:23.119
Lake was probably had less guests than than scook Them Lake,

483
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.880
and either one, we're just so far off the beaten path,

484
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:29.799
you know, you could you could hike into scoop Them Lake.

485
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.440
You still can't hike into scook Them Lake relatively easily.

486
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.079
You can even ride a motorcycle in there, that's how

487
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:38.039
good the trail is coming from the Walla side. But

488
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.839
Surprise Lake was, you know, higher in elevation west and

489
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.160
up at the top, and I heard some crazy stuff

490
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.759
up there and spent tons of time. But like I say,

491
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:54.720
it's so far out there. Once you leave you know,

492
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:57.720
Highway forty six or Highway two twenty four, whatever you

493
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.160
want to call it. It's actually Highway forty six right there.

494
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:05.160
But once you leave where Fish Creek comes off of

495
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:09.519
Highway forty six, it's fourteen miles up to up to

496
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:14.480
Scookum Lake, so you can't and it's not it's passable

497
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.039
pretty much only by foot now. They never fixed it

498
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.039
after the ninety six floods and and all the all.

499
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:27.920
The there's probably fifty creeks in that fourteen miles across

500
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.880
the road, and every one of those colverts is ripped out,

501
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.160
with some naturally some they went ahead and tore out.

502
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.240
But it's so there's really no way you're going up

503
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.880
there now. But even back then, we go up there,

504
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:44.799
you know, half a dozen or more times a year,

505
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:49.599
and I don't recall ever seeing more than I saw

506
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:54.039
one other guy on a motorcycle one time, and saw

507
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:58.440
a couple of a couple of young people camping in

508
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:03.799
a subaru or something one time, and I saw I

509
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:08.119
saw him maybe twice but I actually talked to him once,

510
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:10.480
and you know, it's just so weird to run into

511
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:14.079
somebody up there. And when I was hearing him talk

512
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:16.519
about his van and this and that, then I ended

513
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.880
up digging a little further to get it get a

514
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.720
look at him and on the TV, and I'm like, yeah,

515
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.799
that's the guy. Wow.

516
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.599
So he was just hanging out up there, just was

517
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.440
he just sitting around trying to see if you can

518
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:32.440
get any interactions.

519
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:36.000
Or well, you know, he he had said that, you know,

520
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.640
he was walking around and mostly interested in hearing what

521
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:42.400
goes on at night and that kind of stuff. But

522
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.039
you know, when i'd seen him, he was just hanging out.

523
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:49.000
He wasn't, you know, fifteen yards from his van and

524
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.559
and just hanging out. So it was just, you know,

525
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:56.000
there's very few people to do that. You really like

526
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.799
the mountains to, you know, just get that far away

527
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.680
from everything and just around. So you know, as far

528
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.160
as I was concerned, he was just a guy that

529
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.200
needed his peace and quiet and had no idea he

530
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.119
was that serious about the whole big foot thing. He

531
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:15.240
mentioned the big foot thing, Oh okay, it it. You know,

532
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:17.480
it was kind of going into one ear and out

533
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.079
the other because you know, it seemed like he was

534
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:24.240
kind of pushing more of the alien thing than than

535
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.960
and I was really really open to you know, it

536
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.079
could be a could you know, there could be certainly

537
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:35.599
a creature that was somehow left behind or managed to

538
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.480
keep itself at hiding. You know, you got tribes in

539
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:43.599
South America that you know, had just recently been noticed,

540
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.880
and other ones they didn't notice until the nineteen eighties,

541
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.319
and you know that had never had any kind of

542
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.480
communication with man. So there's some big woods up there,

543
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:55.400
and if something wanted to stay hidden, if I wanted

544
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.160
to stay hidden out there, you'd never find me. So

545
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:02.400
imagine something that's you know, lives in that you know,

546
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:06.200
in that type of type of environment. So yeah, I did.

547
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.799
I didn't take him real seriously, but you know I

548
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:13.279
did run into I did see his rig multiple times

549
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.240
over the years, and all in very very rural places

550
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.759
that normally wouldn't see anyone unless unless you were hunting

551
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.119
and been very serious about hunting.

552
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:24.279
That is so cool, and.

553
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.119
Most of the hunters don't don't get very far away.

554
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:30.000
Absolutely, was that late nineties as well that you had

555
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:31.720
you stumbled upon him?

556
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:37.039
Yeah, Yeah, Actually it was. It was about a year

557
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.839
before the flood, so it would have been about nineteen

558
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:40.480
ninety five.

559
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.319
Okay, it checks out. Yeah, wow, Oh it's so cool. So,

560
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.160
I mean it's it's not seeing Bigfoot, but it's something

561
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.559
for me just as cool, which would be, you know,

562
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.039
stumbling upon Henry Franzo anyone who's trying to do Bigfoot

563
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.079
research out in the woods. That's so cool.

564
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.599
Yeah. I didn't think it was cool until just recently

565
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.480
when I figured out who he was. Yeah.

566
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:04.400
Absolutely, you have. I'm looking at your email. So you

567
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.119
also have a second confirmed sighting, which is up on

568
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:08.440
hillock Burn Road.

569
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.160
Correct, Yeah, way up hillock Burn up where well hillock

570
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:17.359
Burn goes up. Basically hillock Burn turns into forest service

571
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.599
for a service road forty five, kind of like the

572
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.240
s Ticada two twenty four to forty six thing. As

573
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.720
soon as you enter National Forest becomes a forest service

574
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.720
road and then and then it's forty six, and in

575
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:34.759
hillock Burn's case, it becomes highway forty five and makes

576
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:36.759
the big loop around the mountain. It comes back out

577
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.359
at Memelus. There's a bridge off of off of forty

578
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:44.960
six that they call the Memeluse Bridge. And that's where

579
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.400
you know, basically the road comes and goes. Now, the

580
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.680
Memelu's Bridge has been closed out for a lot of years,

581
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.079
but back at the time, I think it was still open.

582
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:57.480
But you get up, you get way way up, and

583
00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:02.519
oddly enough that the place that I saw. The second

584
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:06.599
one was if you go all the way up up

585
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.119
forty five, and then you you basically you make your

586
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.000
first turn heading up South Fork Canyon and it takes

587
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.760
you up to a place called Helen's Lake, and there's

588
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:20.480
a couple of different ways. If you continue on the

589
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.760
road past Helens Lake, it'll take you up to the

590
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.639
road I saw him, or the way I typically go

591
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:28.920
is I take another rite and go up and and

592
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:32.079
kind of come out at the top or the brim

593
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.559
of dead Horse Canyon. And then there's a road that

594
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:39.039
drives around dead Horse Canyon and taps back into that.

595
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.920
The road that goes past Helens Lake. It may be

596
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.639
forty five forty and you know, it's the it's there

597
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.400
hasn't been a road signed up there for years and

598
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.679
years and years and years, and I don't they could

599
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:56.679
be forty five, but there's only one road that pretty

600
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:02.719
much goes from from we're dead Horse and and and

601
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.559
kind of Memaloose Lake. There's Memblus Lake. Hast has an

602
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:11.360
access trail on top also, so from that access trail

603
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.639
on top and from Dead Horse they kind of meet together,

604
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:18.480
and then they head south in between the head of

605
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.320
dead dead Horse Canyon and then over the top of

606
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.199
Luken's Creek. On your right side and on your left

607
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.480
side is basically you're at the very highest point above

608
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:33.239
at the west side of Wash Creek and Wash Creek

609
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.159
and Fish Creek. If you go up the Fish Creek

610
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.119
drainage like you're going up to Scukam Lake or Surprise Lake.

611
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:44.960
The Wash Creek is part of that huge basin, so

612
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.360
there's kind of a finger that splits the two drainages,

613
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.320
but they meet together for the bottom you know, five

614
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:55.119
or seven miles of the Fish Creek drainage. So Wash Creek,

615
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.559
going up Wash Creek and going up Fish Creek are

616
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:03.559
just very similar things. And really, as you know, terrain wise,

617
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.280
you're just you know, like Wash Creek is only you know,

618
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:11.239
a couple few miles from Scukum Lake and Wash Creek

619
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.760
burned out that there was a there was a big

620
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.599
fire up there and then the flood of ninety six

621
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:20.360
washed one of the bridges out completely, so that shut

622
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.519
that whole road down. And this was in around twenty ten,

623
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:29.000
twenty eleven, and I was it was virtually the same day.

624
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.719
This was Saturday morning, third Saturday October, opening day elk season,

625
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.960
and I was hunting pretty much in south the head

626
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.199
of South Forlork Canyon, and I wasn't get getting even

627
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:43.920
close to anything, and so I thought I'd take a

628
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.599
run way up Wash Creek and maybe drop into Luken's Creek.

629
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.559
And I got up there in the snow. We had

630
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.480
a lot of snow the night before and a lot

631
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:57.159
of snow that morning, and the snow was kind of

632
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.400
dying off. It was this sky was clearing up a

633
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:03.039
little bit. But I'm driving along and I'm, you know,

634
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:06.000
several miles up there, and the snow is about maybe

635
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:10.280
ten ten inches deeper, so maybe twelve. And I hadn't

636
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.400
seen another rig all day, so I there there was

637
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.599
nobody else up there nowhere, no one even close. And

638
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:20.920
then when I got into about four or five or

639
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.280
six inches of snow, all of a sudden, the track's vanished.

640
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:27.280
No more deer tracks, no more elf tracks, no nothing,

641
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.559
and I'm cruising along and it's getting deeper and deeper

642
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.199
and deeper, and I'm thinking to myself, well, I hate

643
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.079
to have to, you know, walk to a place I

644
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:37.760
can call a buddy to help me get out of

645
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.960
this if I do get stuck. And you know, I

646
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.400
had a big, big, big truck that was in good

647
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:47.840
shape with the right kind of tires, and I thought,

648
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:49.599
you know what, I'm just gonna you know, I haven't

649
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.599
seen a track and you know probably you know, two

650
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.480
miles and the snow's getting deep. So there's a wide

651
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.679
spot up here. I had my girlfriend with me at

652
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:03.159
the time. I know this wide spot ahead. So what

653
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:05.360
I'm going to do is, you know, in that kind

654
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.840
of snow, especially when you're breaking the path, you don't

655
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.280
you don't just you know, stop and back up and

656
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.760
turn and back up and turn. You want to you

657
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.119
want to probably try to pull a cookie if if

658
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:18.960
you can, to get you most of the way turned

659
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.880
around so you don't get stuck trying to turn around.

660
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:26.440
So I'm heading for this flat spot, and I hit

661
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.440
that little flat spot, and I pull a cookie and

662
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.440
get turned around and start, you know, get back in

663
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.159
my own ruts and start heading back down the mountain

664
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.119
and I come around the very first curve and I

665
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.440
can see something standing on the right side of the road,

666
00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.679
and I'm like, am I confused? You know what was that?

667
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.239
Because I can the timbers in the background, because it's

668
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.519
not standing out in the road where I can see

669
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.559
the you know, see that where I have a silhouette.

670
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:56.719
It's standing on the right side of the road where

671
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.880
I've got timber behind it, so it's really blending in well.

672
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.639
And though I was only you know, I got within

673
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:07.079
one hundred yards before I watched it jump off the

674
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.880
side of the road and right that particular spot there's

675
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:15.039
a rock slide there, and the rock it was either

676
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.199
a rockslide or they could have brought a ton of

677
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:19.440
rock in when they were building the road originally, so

678
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:21.599
it could it could be a base that was built.

679
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.679
It may or may not be a man made There's

680
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:25.400
a lot of rock right there, so it could. It

681
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.039
may or may not be a man made rockslide. But

682
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:33.360
whatever this was jumps off and I hauled. But you know,

683
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:35.599
to close up that hundred yards real quick, because as

684
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.760
far as I'm gonnatarned, it's probably an l and it's

685
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.239
big and dark in the wrong shape, but you know

686
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:45.440
what else could it be? And I jump out of

687
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:50.639
the truck and look down immediately, and I'm looking at footprints.

688
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.519
And you know my dan or Elk hunter boots or

689
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.679
size twelve, and these footprints were perfect footprints, and they

690
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.519
had come up out of the rock slide. So it

691
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:05.800
was about I would say, forty yards from the road

692
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:09.400
to the to the thick timber and just this rock

693
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.400
slide in between the two. And when I got out,

694
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.280
I see this footprint and it must have been waiting

695
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:18.679
for me to get down the road. It must have

696
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:20.960
hurt me coming waited for me to get down the

697
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:24.559
road so it could cross or whatever. And I get

698
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.239
out of the truck and I the first thing I'm

699
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:28.719
going to do is look at the tracks to see,

700
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.400
you know, whether it was a bowl or a cow

701
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:36.079
or whatever it was. And it was there's a human

702
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:41.000
like foot and it's you know, a barefoot, and it's

703
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.719
at least three inches maybe three and a half inches

704
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:49.400
longer than the soul of my Dianner boot. And so

705
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.880
I run over the edge immediately, and then I realized

706
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:55.440
I don't have a gun, so I yell at my

707
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.559
girlfriend to grab handing my gun, and not because I

708
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:01.800
was looking to shoot it, but because I was looking

709
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:06.840
to make sure I was protected. And I'm looking and

710
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:08.880
I can't hear or see anything down there. It goes

711
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:11.719
straight into dark timber. But what I could see is

712
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.239
that forty yards was covered by two jumps, and it

713
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.960
was it was certainly very steep, so you know, a

714
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.559
human probably could have done it in you know, maybe

715
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.639
five to ten jumps and you would have been at

716
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:29.320
the timber. Depending on how athletic you were, maybe you

717
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:32.159
could do it in five. But there was it was.

718
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.480
There was two spots where it had jumped and hit

719
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.440
a third of the way, and it jumped and hit

720
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:41.400
just before the trees, and then it walked off. And

721
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.639
the tracks coming up to the road were absolutely perfect.

722
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.039
It they walked up out of there, they stepped, they

723
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.599
crossed my first rut, they walked in and stepped into

724
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:56.199
my second rut, and walked down my rut for about oh,

725
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.440
you know, under twenty feet fifteen twenty feet, walked up

726
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:02.719
my rut and then must have heard me coming and

727
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.320
walked over to the edge. So it wasn't you know,

728
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.119
the prints were perfect. They weren't scrambling footprints by any means.

729
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.039
It was just walking very casually. Had to have some

730
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.920
weight to it, because the prints were even good in

731
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.920
my tire tracks. So you know, my truck weighs eight

732
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.719
thousand pounds and and naturally it spread over four tires,

733
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:26.360
and and you know, the tires are soft and not rigid,

734
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:32.280
and so you know, it's possible. You'll see elk tracks

735
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.840
in tire tracks where they leave a deeper impression, so

736
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.559
it's not you know, it doesn't have to be crazy heavy,

737
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.840
but it had to be pretty heavy to leave those

738
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:45.320
perfect prints, even in my rut. And I kind of

739
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.719
investigated for a few minutes. Was a little bit you know, surprised,

740
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.280
and you know, I guess the thing that surprised me

741
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:56.880
the most is that and now I'd seen one before, okay,

742
00:42:56.920 --> 00:43:00.239
ten years earlier, so this wasn't a surprise to me

743
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.880
that they exist, but it was very shocking to me

744
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.039
for it to be that far up, because the animals

745
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.800
seemed to be much lower. You know, I hadn't seen

746
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:12.000
an animal track in two miles, so maybe it was

747
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.719
moving down at that point, I don't know, but it

748
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.480
was in some pretty deep snow. You know, ten twelve

749
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.119
inches of the snow is pretty deep snow to to,

750
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:25.519
you know, try to gather. And then I told my girlfriend,

751
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.559
I said, well, do you believe in Bigfoot? And she

752
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.360
said I don't know. And I go, you want to

753
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.960
see if it's real or not? And she says, I

754
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:35.840
don't know. I said, come here, you come out of

755
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.320
the truck. I want to show you something. And she

756
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.199
walked over and looked at those tracks and jumped back

757
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.280
in my truck and started screaming for me to get

758
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.559
her off of that mountain. Oh. She was so scared

759
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.800
just by seeing the prince. And I couldn't. I couldn't

760
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.480
calm her down. It was crazy. I ended up having

761
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:55.480
to drive. I got to hunt the rest of the day,

762
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:58.119
but I had to drive fifteen miles from there to

763
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.559
hunt before she before she was like, okay, I feel

764
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:05.280
okay enough if you want to stay up here. It

765
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:06.880
was it was It was pretty crazy.

766
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:11.119
That's incredible. This was around was it twenty ten or

767
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:12.440
twenty eleven around there?

768
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.320
Yeah, twenty ten or eleven, I'm not sure which. But

769
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:16.599
one of the two.

770
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.679
You had said something, I just want to see if

771
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:21.559
you can give a little bit more detail about it

772
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:25.960
when you so when you say bear footprint, can you

773
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:28.519
maybe describe what.

774
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:32.199
You mean by that, I meant like human footprints with

775
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:37.119
no clothes on, Yeah, like you know, naked footprints. Yeah

776
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:39.920
it Yeah, they don't look anything like a bear, let

777
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.840
me tell you that. And there's they don't look anything

778
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.119
like a bear. Even when a bear tracks over itself.

779
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:47.039
You know a lot of times you'll see a bear,

780
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.400
you know, step almost to his front paw, and so

781
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.519
you take a rear foot and a front foot and

782
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.039
combine the two together, and you know a lot of

783
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:00.480
people will you know, say that's a you know, a

784
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:05.000
sasquatch track or whatever, and there's nothing further from it.

785
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.079
You know, bears, bears can't retract their claws, so they're

786
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.440
always going to have those claws sticking out. And even

787
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:12.800
a black bear's clause or you know, an inch and

788
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.639
a half plus long, so there's there's really just no

789
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:20.280
confusing that. And the pads, you know, the bears have

790
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:24.239
pads and different pads on their on their rear feet

791
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.199
versus their front feet, and it's it's for a trained eye,

792
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:31.679
it's there's no mistaking when a bear has stepped on

793
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.679
its own track. It's it's that cannot be confused. However,

794
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.519
I I've heard a lot of people, you know, and

795
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.480
and even seeing pictures where somebody said they got a

796
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.679
picture of a of a sasquatch track and I glanced

797
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:48.280
at it and I'm like, yeah, no, right, yeah, I gotcha.

798
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.599
This this area of the hillock Burn Road area, I mean,

799
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.920
it comes up a lot. There's been a ton of

800
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.320
activity up there. A lot of it is not public,

801
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.679
but it's been told to me. And there's somewhere if

802
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:07.840
you start searching for Hillockburn Road bigfoot activity, you're going

803
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.559
to find it on older websites, and it's out there.

804
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:15.559
It's definitely out there. So that's some very very interesting

805
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.599
area that you were up there. Now this is up

806
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:18.880
near Goat Mountain.

807
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:23.920
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So you literally when you

808
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:30.519
get up, oh goodness, you're probably four miles above where

809
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:33.679
you enter into National Forest. Is the road that splits

810
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.880
off that goes up to Goat Mountain and it goes

811
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.320
and dead ends. The road goes up. It's tricky to

812
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:42.320
get up to Goat Mountain. You've got to really know

813
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.800
how to do it these days. But the roads are

814
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.559
virtually cut off. Right where you hit, you hit private land.

815
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.239
So the towers, the Goat Mountain Towers, and the and

816
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.079
the Williams Lake Towers, which you know, I call them

817
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.000
all the Goat Mountain Towers, but they're two separate humps

818
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.960
a few hundred yards away from each other. Those are

819
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:10.039
both actually public land, but they're accessed from from Warehouser,

820
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.280
which is private timberland.

821
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.679
Okay, Yeah, I'm looking at it on on X right now,

822
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.599
and it's just it's so weird because you know, you're right,

823
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.280
You've got it's got Warehouser and then mount Hood National

824
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.760
Force and just I don't even know how you would

825
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:27.039
get up there. Man, it would be awesome if someone

826
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.519
from Warehouser was listening with and they had Bigfoot stories.

827
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:33.840
I can always just dream about that, but you never know, right.

828
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.800
But yeah, I don't know, you know, I don't know

829
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.960
what those guys say about it. You know. I I

830
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.400
ran and I had a lot of Warehouser property. I

831
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.400
go both in and out of, you know, public and Warehouser.

832
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:50.000
I try to put in for it every year. I

833
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:55.079
have Malala Warehouser this year and the last ten years

834
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:57.599
or so. I've been hot in Esticada warehouser and prior

835
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:03.039
to that I had a Malala warehouser. But it's really

836
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.800
interesting as you're going up when you turn into national

837
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.360
forest coming up Highway forty five or Hillock Burn, the

838
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.920
left side of the road is all National forest and

839
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.320
pretty much the right side of the road is all

840
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:20.480
all either BLM or private. There's a little bit where

841
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.679
national forest kind of crosses the road, but the higher

842
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.239
you get, the less national forest there is. So once

843
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:29.400
you get up a certain point, like you know, up

844
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:36.079
around say, for example, Williams Lake, Williams Lake's really only

845
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.800
you know, it's not very far from the main from

846
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.639
the main road, and there's a there's an actual crossover

847
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:47.159
road that's on BLM land that has a trail coming

848
00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:49.599
from public to get to Williams Lake. That's you know,

849
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:52.559
it can't be more than a half mile long. It's

850
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:56.039
really a short trail to get to Williams Lake. And

851
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.280
you can drive to Williams Lake at the other end.

852
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:00.920
So Williams Lake part of it's on and part of

853
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.159
it is on public, and then the public is up

854
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:09.159
in that higher country is all BLM land, and which

855
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:12.119
is the I don't know why it is, but BLM

856
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.000
Land just holds a ton more animals than the regular

857
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:18.719
National Forest says pretty much anywhere you go, the BLM

858
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.519
Land is just rich with you know, deer and elk

859
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.039
and bears and so on and so forth. But yeah,

860
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.000
it's and it's a complicated road system. It takes you

861
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.079
a long long time to learn it from either side.

862
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:34.639
It's you know, I remember years ago the county sheriff

863
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.159
had a this has been a long long time ago,

864
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.920
twenty five thirty years ago, the county sheriff had a

865
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.960
supposed had supposedly found a body up you know, up

866
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.519
Pasco Mountain. Somebody had found one in the rocks or

867
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:49.679
bones or something that they thought was a body, and

868
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.840
it wasn't a body, but they there was a whole

869
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:56.679
bunch of deputies that had were up there, six or

870
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.280
seven of them, and they were up there half the night.

871
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.199
They ended up coming out in the middle of you know,

872
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:05.000
in the middle mid hours of the morning because they

873
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.119
were lost up there, and they were just on the

874
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:11.360
public side and there was two ways out there. So

875
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:13.119
it can be pretty complicated.

876
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.920
Oh my goodness, that's that's intense. So Goat Mountain is

877
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.400
another area that really comes up. If you search into

878
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.960
this area for bigfoot stuff comes up a lot. The

879
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.199
Oregon Big for Highway book. You can find a lot

880
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.400
of stuff in there. Have you had things happen around

881
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:31.480
Goat Mountain as well?

882
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:36.400
Never at Goat Mountain, Okay, I've heard some crazy stuff.

883
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:38.639
I'll tell you one of the craziest things that I've

884
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:40.880
never been able to explain to this day. All right,

885
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:45.159
and this was prior to me seeing you know, that

886
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:48.559
living creature the first time I was at a lot

887
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:52.159
of people anytime they're on Highway forty five, it's they

888
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.239
go up Hillock Burn once they once they get up

889
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:57.679
in the national for us, a lot of people from

890
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.719
that point. In fact, even hillock Burn Road people, anybody

891
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.360
that goes up there, they say they're going up Goat.

892
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:07.199
So from there all the way up to the dead

893
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:10.679
Horse Canyon, which is kind of the highest point of

894
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:14.840
that road system, people refer to that all as Goat Mountain.

895
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:16.760
So when people tell you they had a sighting at

896
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:20.280
Goat Mountain, it probably wasn't on Goat Mountain. In fact,

897
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:23.719
Goat Mountains it has so many you know, that's where

898
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.960
high school kids go up and drink beer, and it's

899
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:31.159
you know, kind of a party place, and it's really

900
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:34.039
not You're probably not going to have any sightings right

901
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:37.360
on goat Mountain itself. It just but you get over,

902
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.639
you know, you get within a quarter mile any direction

903
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.599
of it, and it's very very possible. And and then

904
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.000
I would bet most of the references are, you know,

905
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.679
higher up above, you know where you would pass goat

906
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:54.679
Mountain on the main highway or the main roads. I

907
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.280
say highway, but it's literally, you know, only the first

908
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:02.079
quarter of it is paved, and even then it's barely

909
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:06.199
double wide, and then it instantly goes to single gravel

910
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.679
and it's very rough and and it's but it is

911
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.480
a main it's considered a main through road through the

912
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:15.760
four service. It's got it. It's got a two digit number.

913
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:20.519
It's a main road. So it's yeah, you'll find that

914
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.039
most of the most of your sightings of people pinpointed

915
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.360
or they knew the road they were on. It's going

916
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:27.320
to be it's going to be a four digit or

917
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:32.000
a seven digit digit number, which is yeah. So the

918
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.360
four digits means that it connects, it'll it it has

919
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.199
two ends it'll come out somewhere and then the seven

920
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:41.760
seven digit number. So basically have the four digit number,

921
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.199
which is going to start out with say forty five,

922
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:47.079
Touse it's Highway forty five. So say you have Highway

923
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.840
forty five forty Okay, you know it's going to go through.

924
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:52.320
It's going to come out at another end. Maybe it

925
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:54.280
comes out to the same road, maybe it comes out

926
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.480
to a different road, but it goes through. And then

927
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:58.599
say a spur road off of that that just goes

928
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.719
and dead end. That's going to be forty five, one

929
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:06.000
twenty or one thirty or one fifty or one seventy,

930
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.159
you know, and they continue to climb. The three digit

931
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:11.519
number gets higher as you go further up the road.

932
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:17.320
So I was on I was in Southport Canyon. I

933
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:23.679
was above Southport Canyon taking Nice, Nice and two nephews

934
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.920
with a sister in law up to a place they

935
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.519
wanted to camp, someplace rural, way out of the way,

936
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.119
someplace it was going to be more like being in nature.

937
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.519
So I thought, okay, well I can take them up

938
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:38.719
goat again, I'm referring to it as goat when it's not.

939
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.960
I can take them up goat and and give them

940
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.960
a nice place. It's easy for them to find their

941
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.239
way home, and they're not that far away from things,

942
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.039
and they might even have cell service because they're so

943
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.880
close to the towers. And I take them up and

944
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.079
help them get a camp set up on a little

945
00:53:56.199 --> 00:54:00.400
a little, tiny, little dead end log landing road, not

946
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.519
an actual road, just the little skiter where they have

947
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:04.440
the log landing in the yard or at one time

948
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:09.199
when they logged it. And we're above. We're above where

949
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.840
the west side of South Fork, the south fork of

950
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.800
the Placmus River, which is South Fork Canyon, is where

951
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:19.280
it comes out of the out of a spring, and

952
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:25.079
we are What went on elevation wise was a few

953
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:29.360
hundred feet lower than Helen's Lake, not to the forty

954
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.559
five road, kind of between the forty five road and

955
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.920
the next road that would be to the south or

956
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:40.280
uphill from it. I heard a fight of some sort

957
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.719
that you know, I can't confirm what it was the

958
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.440
only thing that I could ever tell you back at

959
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:49.800
the time is it had to be some kind of

960
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:51.639
a bear that I've never heard of make those kind

961
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:55.119
of noises before in a all out fight with a

962
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:59.840
mountain lion. It was the scariest, loudest most of Knox.

963
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.519
You know, you could picture the hair flying just by

964
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:07.360
listening to the noise. It was unbelievable, and it went

965
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:11.199
on for probably a good ten minutes straight before either

966
00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:16.760
somebody surrendered or one of them got killed. But you know,

967
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:20.719
after kind of experience and what I have now, it

968
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:23.639
makes me feel like that could have been a sasquatch,

969
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:26.079
not a bear, because I've heard bears, and I've heard

970
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:28.639
all their noises, and they make some incredible noises. They

971
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:33.039
can even sound like human, but this was just different.

972
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:37.880
It was just deeper and more throaty, and just it

973
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:42.239
was just vicious, not just not like anything I've ever

974
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:45.800
heard from a bear. And you could clearly tell them

975
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.679
ounta lion was the opponent because they make such crazy,

976
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:54.960
high pitched noises and such a different range of vocals,

977
00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:58.280
and you know, every once in a while throwing in

978
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:01.519
one of their nasty you know, rowls or rowels or

979
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:05.079
you know, whatever you would call it. It was pretty

980
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.480
clear that there was a mountline fighting something, and whatever

981
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:12.679
it was, it was a worthy opponent because this, I mean,

982
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:16.559
this was it was unbelievable, So that that's kind of

983
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:19.280
the only thing other than hearing you know, weird sounds

984
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.360
in the night that I've actually seen up goat now

985
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:29.559
at at Williams Lake a week ago Sunday, spending the

986
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:34.480
night at Williams Lake, I heard some pretty incredible stuff there.

987
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:38.239
At two thirty in the morning there, I heard something

988
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.360
woke me up and I something, you know, within fifty

989
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:49.119
yards of my tent and mine and my nephew's pickup trucks,

990
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:50.719
just up on the hill in the timber. I mean

991
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:54.079
it was very close. I definitely could have thrown it

992
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:56.480
and thrown a rock to where the sound was coming from.

993
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:02.079
But something was mumbling, very very loud, very very deep.

994
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:05.599
And I think I told you about this before. It

995
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:09.119
was mumbling kind of like you hear those Sierra sounds.

996
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.440
But it didn't have any of that weird high pitch,

997
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:20.480
massive elevations in high verse low. This was all just

998
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:27.760
really low but somewhat aggressive, and definitely it sounded like

999
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.440
it was trying to talk, except for I couldn't tell

1000
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.960
you a thing it said. It didn't, you know, none

1001
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.840
of them made It was totally foreign to me. But

1002
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:41.280
the crazy thing was this thing goes off and then

1003
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:44.039
across the lake which would be just you know, a

1004
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:48.440
couple of acres away. It's probably not one hundred and

1005
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:51.880
fifty yards across the lake at that particular point. All

1006
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:55.119
of a sudden, there's something talking exactly like that back

1007
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:57.639
at whatever was on that hillside. And they went back

1008
00:57:57.679 --> 00:57:59.639
and forth, which seemed like a half an hour, but

1009
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:03.320
it was probably five minutes, maybe ten at the max.

1010
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:07.920
But they had a conversation back and forth almost like you.

1011
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.480
You know, I've heard a lot of times being way

1012
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:12.960
up in the mountains, especially like up around like oh

1013
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:16.960
Loy Lake and the o Lolly Wilderness area. You hear

1014
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:20.440
a lot of owls around those lakes where the owls

1015
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.440
can make some incredible noises too. They don't just make

1016
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.800
the average a little who and they make loud noises,

1017
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.000
and you hear them up in those A lot of times.

1018
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:32.440
I've heard them up around. I've heard a lot of owls,

1019
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:34.679
but up there, it seems like they'll talk back and

1020
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.360
forth all night long, and you might even get two

1021
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:40.320
or three of them from you know, even a half

1022
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:43.039
mile away from each other, and they just they're so

1023
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.639
loud you can just hear they carry back and forth.

1024
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:49.199
It was a lot like you hear them conversing, except

1025
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:53.599
for it was way more mumbly not it wasn't. It

1026
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:58.119
wasn't as sharp and crisp as the detail of the

1027
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.800
noise that the owls make. Even when the owls do

1028
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:05.400
their weird you know, you know where they don't sound

1029
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:08.360
anything like a hoot, but they have multiple levels of

1030
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:14.400
you know, their vocalization. This was just not consistent like that.

1031
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.639
It was. It was pretty creepy, I'll tell you what.

1032
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:18.679
It kept me up the rest of the night. I

1033
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:22.159
did not like having something I didn't know that close

1034
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.239
to me. And it's very dark down at that lake

1035
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.960
at night. There's you're down in a hole and it's

1036
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:32.000
you know, thick brush and timber three hundred and sixty

1037
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.360
degrees around that lake. Other than that very narrow little

1038
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.519
trail road that is so narrow you couldn't turn around

1039
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.199
on it if you tried. You have to back out

1040
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:42.960
to a spot to turn around. Or there's one little

1041
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.280
tiny place right out the lake you can turn around.

1042
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:49.280
But if you're down there, we have our vehicles down there,

1043
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:51.880
and we turn around way up the road and back

1044
00:59:51.920 --> 00:59:55.599
in there. And then otherwise, once one rigs down there,

1045
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:57.599
you don't have room to turn around, and then you

1046
00:59:57.639 --> 00:59:59.639
put a tent up, you know, back in the tree

1047
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.880
is no anybody that comes in has to back back out,

1048
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:07.239
So it's very dark and a lot of noises around

1049
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.760
the lake. It's really weird because the moring the evening

1050
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:12.519
started out that we were hearing a bunch of elk bugle,

1051
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:15.039
and well not a bunch, there were two bowls that

1052
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:19.400
were bugling. But it seemed a little crazy because every

1053
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:23.239
time the elkuld bugle this happened, sometimes the coyotes go crazy,

1054
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.159
and there was probably a half a dozen coyotes up there,

1055
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.239
and they make all their yipping and screaming and and

1056
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:33.480
you know, everything from from mildly high pitched to extremely

1057
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.679
high pitch weird. You know, they they even can sound

1058
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.920
like monkeys. But that night or that next morning, there

1059
01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:41.760
was something on the other side of that lake that

1060
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:45.679
was sounded exactly like chimpanzees screaming at each other like

1061
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:48.119
they're going to go on the war path, which really

1062
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:52.119
topped off the fact that I hadn't slept, hadn't slept

1063
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.480
since you know, since those things woke me up, and

1064
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:56.559
I only went to bed like an hour before that.

1065
01:00:57.159 --> 01:00:58.960
So because I like to listen to the noise, and

1066
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:00.880
the elk were bugle and so I was just listening

1067
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:05.039
and yeah, that's that was a pretty interesting experience. So

1068
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.760
that's pretty close to Go Mountain. That's within the within

1069
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:12.239
I would say it's within easily within two miles of

1070
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.360
the towers, not by road, but by a crows fly

1071
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:18.039
easily within two miles maybe a mile and a half

1072
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:18.800
to the towers.

1073
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:23.079
And that was you said it was around like September seventh, five,

1074
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.559
so very recent it was.

1075
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:30.440
Yeah, it was Sunday a week ago. A week ago Sunday. Okay,

1076
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:37.440
it was Labor Day weekend, so yeah, the yeah, that's right, yep,

1077
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:41.000
Labor Day weekend. So yeah, as much time as I've

1078
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.400
spent up there, you know, up around Go Mountain and

1079
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:49.480
and all the places beyond, you would think that, you know,

1080
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:53.000
I'd run into something by accident. But remember I'm also

1081
01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:55.800
not looking for it, so when I find it, I

1082
01:01:56.000 --> 01:02:01.320
it's entirely by accident. I'm not comfortable around him, you know,

1083
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:05.320
I'm not if you wanted me to go on an expedition,

1084
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:08.559
I'd be heavily armed. I just you know, I don't

1085
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:10.760
want anything to do with those things. They just happened

1086
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:14.199
to be in the areas that that I spend a

1087
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:16.840
lot of time, and I've just stumbled into them, and

1088
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:18.840
and if I never saw one again, I would be

1089
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:19.639
very pleased.

1090
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:24.599
There was an interesting account that you had shared with

1091
01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:27.880
me in our first chat, and I believe it was

1092
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:32.119
around I want to say it was like around forty

1093
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:34.800
six I do with the bear that was, Yeah, is

1094
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:36.960
that something you'd be able to share on this call?

1095
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:41.840
Sure? Sure, Yeah, that was this spring that was in May.

1096
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:45.400
This I probably I could probably tell you the exact date.

1097
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.559
It was May tenth, just because I have a punch

1098
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:53.199
tag for that date. But yeah, I'd been watching this

1099
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:57.239
bear for a couple of weeks and he'd show up

1100
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:00.920
and then you know, he'd disappear. And but for some reason,

1101
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:04.840
like this hillside and and it's you know, pretty heavy

1102
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:09.400
timber bordered on heavy heavy reprod that goes down into

1103
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:13.760
a canyon that's been pretty well protected from logging down

1104
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:17.639
near the creek for a long long time. So we

1105
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:19.960
were we were down there messing around, and there's an

1106
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:23.639
old road that comes in from the opposite end that

1107
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:27.199
that that I was on the on May tenth, So

1108
01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:30.199
I kind of experienced this the first time, walking in

1109
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:33.440
from the other side on a on a dirt road

1110
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:38.400
that got pushed in and they were logging, and then

1111
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:41.320
the Forest Service was logging, but they were cutting through

1112
01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.719
Warehouser to get to get to get the logs and

1113
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.599
to get in there and do their stuff. It was

1114
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:51.039
right literally logging right on the border of Warehouser and

1115
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:54.519
the National Forest. And I couldn't figure out for the

1116
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:57.119
life of me why they punched this road in and

1117
01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.000
they took all these logs out of there, but they

1118
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:01.559
left like there must have been like six or seven

1119
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:03.880
log truck loads all stacked up on the side of

1120
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:07.519
the road, and they just abandoned them. They were good,

1121
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:12.599
full length logs, not like they were scrap ones. And

1122
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:15.880
and they literally threw a bunch of trees and pushed

1123
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:19.119
some boulders and to block the road from going in.

1124
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:22.719
Long before you know, they got all the all the

1125
01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:25.920
all the lumber out of there. So had a curiosity,

1126
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:27.840
Me and my nephew decided we were going to go

1127
01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:31.320
down to the end. And we walked down there and

1128
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:35.599
we're just looking around. We have our binoculars with us constantly.

1129
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:38.760
If you don't have them, you're not hunting. And I'm

1130
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:41.760
looking through the trees up the end of this thing,

1131
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:44.480
and I'm looking through the tree tops trying to see

1132
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:46.719
the mountain on the other side to see if there's

1133
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:49.000
any open meadows or any place I can see through

1134
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:51.800
the trees to see what you can't see from anywhere else.

1135
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:56.719
And this technique is very, very good for hunting. You

1136
01:04:56.719 --> 01:04:58.480
should be you know, you got to you gotta look

1137
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:01.840
everywhere because you just might be surprised at what you

1138
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:05.239
see that nobody can see from anywhere else. So I

1139
01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.199
was looking through and all of a sudden, I caught

1140
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:13.440
like this huge clump of branches and not really, we

1141
01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.599
won't call them branches. We'll call them fur boughs, because

1142
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.559
that's what they were. They were branches that had still

1143
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:22.480
had all the fur boughs on them. And I'm looking

1144
01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:24.679
at this thing and looking at it, and I'm it's

1145
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:27.599
like a hundred feet up in a tree, and I

1146
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.760
can see the tree pretty well at different places. So

1147
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.920
it's an old growth tree. It's you know, six eight

1148
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:37.840
feet in diameter Douglas fir, and it's like one hundred

1149
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:39.679
feet up in there. And I'm looking at this and

1150
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:42.679
I'm like, I can see the detail of this, the

1151
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:46.079
bottom of this nest, that this is weaved like in

1152
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:51.280
and out, and it's not you know, older branches. I mean,

1153
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:53.679
there's a lot of alders around, you know. Being at

1154
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:56.519
a you know, near the base of this trees, very

1155
01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.000
close to the creek bottom, you know, within fifty yards

1156
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:03.880
of the creek bottom, it was it was a very strange,

1157
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:07.480
weird thing that caught my eye. That was different. It

1158
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:11.480
was wrong, nothing was right about it. And so I

1159
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:14.719
met up with my nephew a short time later and said,

1160
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.159
you got to come look at this. And so he

1161
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:19.760
pulls up his binoculars and he's got he said. He says,

1162
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:24.159
holy smokes, that's like weave. And he goes, is that

1163
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:26.199
a nest? And I go, well, if it's a nest,

1164
01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:29.840
it's like at least eight or ten feet wide, maybe wider.

1165
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:31.920
You know, it's hard to tell from the distance what

1166
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:34.679
the real width is. I go, that's you know, it

1167
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:36.760
looks like a giant nest to me. And he goes, well,

1168
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:40.920
let's go down there and look up. So we went

1169
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:43.280
down to the base and if you get down there,

1170
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.119
it's like one hundred feet up and the canopy is

1171
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:48.599
so thick you can't see that nest at all at

1172
01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:51.840
the base of the tree looking up. But I investigated

1173
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:55.440
the tree thoroughly to see if there was any any

1174
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:58.119
spike marks from you know, a logger climbing up there,

1175
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.639
if there was any any any claw marks from bears

1176
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:06.599
or lions going up there, cougars, and there's just there's

1177
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:10.960
really no tear marks or no distinctive scratch or marks

1178
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:14.679
on us. So you know, in my impression, something had

1179
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.800
to you know, physically grab it and go up at

1180
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:20.400
like a bear, except for without claws, because the bears

1181
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:22.679
just run up at like a cat. You know, they

1182
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:25.519
use their strength, not necessarily their claws, but their claws

1183
01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.840
getting the way, so they leave all kinds of scar

1184
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.519
damage when they go up a tree, especially on that size,

1185
01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:33.960
and there's just no damage to the base of the tree. So,

1186
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:37.280
you know, we went back up until you know, we

1187
01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:40.000
could see it again, which was almost to the exact

1188
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:43.320
spot I spotted it to begin with. We couldn't seem

1189
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:45.360
to get any closer to look at it, but you know,

1190
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:49.639
we have very high quality binoculars and we could clearly

1191
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.280
see that this was all weaved out and this and that,

1192
01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:54.800
and you know, we're sitting there talking about going, is

1193
01:07:54.840 --> 01:07:57.920
this like, you know, some kind of a sasquatch nest?

1194
01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:00.880
And I said to my nap, I'm like, there's no

1195
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.199
bird I know of that can lift those branches and

1196
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:07.480
fly into that canopy and then come up with fingers

1197
01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:09.599
to be able to tie those you know, to weave

1198
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:13.199
those things in and out. And he's like, I'm totally

1199
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:16.880
with you. He's like, there's this is there's no way

1200
01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:20.920
that this is there, but it is. And so we

1201
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:23.640
kind of, you know, left it alone. And you know,

1202
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.359
in the back of our minds, we were thinking, well,

1203
01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:27.840
maybe the forest servers ran into this, and maybe they

1204
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:31.399
just shut off their logging because of it, you know,

1205
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:34.279
so it wouldn't stir up any attention or or you know,

1206
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.319
there's there's a lot of rumors around there. I know

1207
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:41.560
that a friend of mine reported a bigfoot sighting to

1208
01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:45.399
the Esticate a Ranger District, which is no longer there now.

1209
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:49.000
They operate out of a building in Sandy now, but

1210
01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:52.399
a few years back they up until a few years back,

1211
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:55.920
they had a office right at the right as you

1212
01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:01.279
come into Esticate It and he reported it and the

1213
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:04.520
gal at the desk said that. He said, well, have

1214
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:08.079
you got other people say anything? And she said, yeah,

1215
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:10.960
we've had quite a few reports, but we don't talk

1216
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:11.600
about that.

1217
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:13.439
Really.

1218
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.279
I've Oh my goodness.

1219
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:19.199
Yeah, she she flat out and said that to my buddy.

1220
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.399
He goes, you don't talk about it, he goes, She goes, yeah,

1221
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.680
that's just something we don't talk about. So it makes

1222
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.119
you wonder, you know, how much they know? If the

1223
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:31.520
if the gall at the desk, you know, here's a

1224
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:34.680
lot of this. You know what what have those forest

1225
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.640
service guys stumbled into over the years. Hard to say,

1226
01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.359
but anyway, it appeared that they kind of abandoned their operation.

1227
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:45.640
They didn't leave a mess, they didn't do they just

1228
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.319
it's like they picked up all their equipment, went home

1229
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:53.720
before they finished taking their logs out that were already cut, stripped, stacked,

1230
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.960
ready to load right onto the log trucks, and they

1231
01:09:57.119 --> 01:10:00.479
just left them sitting. So it really made sense, and

1232
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:03.159
I think that's where my curiosity came from originally to

1233
01:10:03.239 --> 01:10:05.880
walk down there to find out why why did they stop?

1234
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:08.159
You know this? Does you know they're not leaving a

1235
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:12.079
pile of logs for habitats for bunny rabbits, that's you know,

1236
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:14.720
they they do plenty of those kinds of things, but

1237
01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:19.840
bunny rabbits like brush piles, not not stacks of perfect

1238
01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:27.159
logs with no branches. So back after this, we kind of,

1239
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:29.279
you know, let it go, and we talk about it

1240
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.199
a little bit amongst each other, and about a week

1241
01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:35.199
later we're back. We're back in there, but we're in

1242
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:39.000
from another direction and just because you know, we'd seen

1243
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:41.039
some out cross the road, so we decided we'd go

1244
01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:44.079
down and investigate. And we were kind of following that

1245
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:50.359
brick bottom down which is tree, and it we found

1246
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:53.000
another one of those nests, except for this one was

1247
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:57.039
all dried up. The needles that were still up there

1248
01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:01.079
were completely brown. Ninety percent of the needs had fallen off.

1249
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:04.319
Half of the branches had just kind of crumbled. I

1250
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:06.600
guess once the you know, the fur boughs dry up,

1251
01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:09.039
maybe that's what was kind of holding some of the

1252
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:11.960
joints or whatever. But you know, down on the ground,

1253
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:16.199
you know, between the tree and the creek, the downhill

1254
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:18.159
side of the creek, there was there was all kinds

1255
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:21.399
of branches that that you know, were broken off, that

1256
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:25.079
had fallen out of that other nest. So I don't

1257
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:28.079
I don't know what why? How I don't you know.

1258
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:31.760
I was talking to another friend that said, you know, well,

1259
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:34.359
there's no reason they'd go up and live in a

1260
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:37.199
nest one hundred feet up in a tree. I said, well,

1261
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:40.640
what about if they had young, you know, and what

1262
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:43.039
if they had young what if what if mom needs

1263
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:46.399
to hunt and there's there's you know, an infant version

1264
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:49.880
or a small one that's you know, in danger to

1265
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:51.800
be around all the barriers that are in here, and

1266
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.920
all the mountain lions that are in here, and even people,

1267
01:11:55.720 --> 01:11:57.760
you know, which there's not many people once you get

1268
01:11:57.760 --> 01:12:00.560
off a road anywhere in the in the in the

1269
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:04.279
mountain hood area. But you know, but the only thing

1270
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:06.880
we could figure is maybe maybe you know, they shove

1271
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:10.319
their their youth in those things while they you know,

1272
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:15.000
while they're out hunting, and you know, it doesn't seem

1273
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:18.319
like it just doesn't seem normal for I don't know,

1274
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:22.079
but it's hard to say. There's a lot of unanswered

1275
01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:25.760
questions to that. But anyway, I ended up hunting in

1276
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:30.119
there and from the other side, and I spotted this

1277
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.720
bear over and over and he was a giant. He

1278
01:12:34.239 --> 01:12:39.159
was an absolute giant, and yeah, I'm watching him one

1279
01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:42.439
day and this might be my final opportunity, or this

1280
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:45.439
might be my opportunity. He's it looks like he might,

1281
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:48.439
you know, end up stepping someplace that he gives me

1282
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:52.960
a chance to take a shot at him, and the

1283
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:54.840
out of the out of the blue. After watching him

1284
01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:58.039
for hours, and he just disappear. And then he comes

1285
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:00.960
strolling back by the areas where I could pick him out,

1286
01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:04.439
and he's just feeding and wandering and eating berries and

1287
01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:09.319
all kinds of different stuff. But all of a sudden

1288
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:13.199
is like sitting down with his nose straight up in

1289
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:15.319
the air. So I'm thinking to myself, well, he must

1290
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:18.239
smell me. But I'm not close enough to him to

1291
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:21.119
really be a threat. And the wind's come in my way,

1292
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:23.520
so there must have been a swirl in the wind.

1293
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:28.199
And he's kind of looking he's facing downhill, and I'm

1294
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:32.079
kinda kind of half side hill downhill away from him,

1295
01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:35.720
and all of a sudden, he stands all the way

1296
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:37.840
up on his hind legs and he takes off running

1297
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:41.439
away from the area that I lose him every time

1298
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.479
I see him. He disappears into the stick stuff and

1299
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:47.439
he goes downhill. I can hear him, you know, when

1300
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:51.000
he's walking. I see where he's going, and he never

1301
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:55.000
ever goes out where he's exposed, which he takes off

1302
01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:59.199
running like something's going to eat him out through the

1303
01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:02.640
open tim and I can't get him to walk in

1304
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:04.760
that open timber, so I can get a shot at him,

1305
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:08.000
let alone have him take off running across it. And

1306
01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:10.439
then coming out of that timber, he has to run

1307
01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:14.079
through a clear cut beyond the timber, and puts himself

1308
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.119
in sight of everyone, you know, anybody driving down the

1309
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:21.159
road would be able to see him. And he vanishes.

1310
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:24.880
And then I, all of a sudden, here's some you know,

1311
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:28.720
here's some noise down below. And basically, if you follow

1312
01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.319
the tree line that i'd been watching him, the big

1313
01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:34.560
timber that he ran away from, all of a sudden,

1314
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:38.800
I see a bear go running up a tree and

1315
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.119
I'm thinking to myself, well, that was crazy, and I'm

1316
01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:45.239
looking at him, and this bear is not near as big.

1317
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.520
He's more like a better than average size bear. And

1318
01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:53.119
he's up that tree and he's panicking. He's running around

1319
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:55.119
this tree. And this is an old growth tree also,

1320
01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:59.479
and so it's really massive. In diameter, and he's running

1321
01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:02.279
around the tree, and he goes up to the first

1322
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:04.760
big branch, which is, you know, quite a ways up,

1323
01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:08.960
you know, thirty forty feet, and he gets out on

1324
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.520
this limb and he's looking and he jumps on the

1325
01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.399
back of the tree, and he's peeking around both sides

1326
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:18.800
of this tree, looking downhill, same direction that big bear

1327
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:24.359
was looking. And it seems like he gets comfortable and

1328
01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:27.239
he starts heading down the tree. Well, he gets down

1329
01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:29.840
the tree and at the very base of the tree,

1330
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:32.000
I can't see where the tree meets the dirt. I'm

1331
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:34.520
missing the last couple of feet because of the branches

1332
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:37.920
and brush and stuff kind of blocking my view. And

1333
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:41.680
this thing starts what basically, it comes out of the

1334
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:44.239
tree and it starts sneaking down the hill, and it's

1335
01:15:44.279 --> 01:15:46.720
staying a little closer to the timber. If it gets

1336
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:49.239
close to the reprod, I can't see it at all.

1337
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:51.720
But if it gets near the timber, then I can

1338
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:53.960
see it. You know, it'll show up here and there

1339
01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:57.239
on its way down to the creek. And it's staying

1340
01:15:57.319 --> 01:15:59.680
up near the timber. Well, all of a sudden, I

1341
01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:03.039
see it. It whip around and I can hear it

1342
01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:06.960
take off back up the hill. And the next thing

1343
01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.199
I know, I see him going up that tree again.

1344
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:11.359
He's going up the tree next to it, I think,

1345
01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:16.399
and he starts taking off up this other old drove tree,

1346
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:20.359
and I'm trying, I'm looking down with my binoculars, trying

1347
01:16:20.359 --> 01:16:23.159
to figure out what the heck is going on down there,

1348
01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:26.000
And all of a sudden, in one of those low spots,

1349
01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:28.560
in one of those spots that if you're near the timber,

1350
01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:31.960
I could see you. If you're near the reprod, I can't.

1351
01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:38.079
I can see this black hair, dark thing that's not

1352
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:40.800
not in the timber, it's in the it's near the reprod.

1353
01:16:40.880 --> 01:16:44.680
But I can see this black thing go across this

1354
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:48.199
low spot that's only a few yards wide, so I

1355
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:50.159
kind of only see it for a split second then

1356
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:53.920
it disappeared. So my immediate thought is, is there must

1357
01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.960
be giant black bear because that the chocolate bear I

1358
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:01.159
was watching was just unbelieve I mean, he was probably

1359
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:05.199
close to five hundred pounds and just a giant, just

1360
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:09.039
a pig with big fat rolls and just huge head

1361
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:12.119
just looked, you know, like a basketball. And so this

1362
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:16.199
other bear would have to just be huge or just wicked,

1363
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:20.800
mean and huge. So I'm watching this bear, and this bear,

1364
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:24.079
the bear that's in the tree seems to calm down

1365
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:27.079
a little bit, and then it kind of comes down

1366
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:30.359
to the bottom, and I decide, well, I only have,

1367
01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:32.600
you know, a week left of my hunt or whatever,

1368
01:17:32.720 --> 01:17:35.560
and so I'm going to go ahead and shoot that bear.

1369
01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:38.800
And he's about, you, I don't know, ten feet ten

1370
01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:41.840
feet up in the tree, and I shoot him and

1371
01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:45.680
he falls and and I'm pretty sure that you know,

1372
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:48.239
I kill him. And then all of a sudden, I

1373
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:54.159
hear this horrible screaming, just nasty, loud screaming, just stood

1374
01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:58.039
the hair up on my back, and it's going down

1375
01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:01.720
to the creek and it it keeps screaming all the

1376
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:03.439
way to the creek, and then I can hear it

1377
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:10.000
splashing down the creek, screaming at these unbelievable levels. I mean,

1378
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:13.399
it was loud, and it kept screaming as it ran.

1379
01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:16.119
It probably got at least a half a mile down

1380
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:18.960
the creek before the timber and the brush and everything

1381
01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:22.560
completely dampered the noise out. And whether it stopped screaming

1382
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:24.960
at that point or whether it just completely faded out.

1383
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.960
I'm not sure, but I've never heard a bear make

1384
01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:32.279
the noises that this thing was screaming, and so it

1385
01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:34.560
kind of left me, you know, to believe that there

1386
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:38.359
might have been something hunting those bears while I was

1387
01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:40.640
hunting those bears. But I don't know that. You know,

1388
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:42.840
It's like I say, it could have been just a

1389
01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:45.720
vicious bear. It could have been maybe they have a

1390
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.920
scream that I've never heard before. But you certainly don't

1391
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:54.920
hear them screaming and running, you know, at top speed.

1392
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.279
You know, they would they wouldn't be running at top

1393
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:01.000
speed and bellowing, you know, at the top of their

1394
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.880
lungs for you know, I mean, it seemed like it

1395
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:08.159
lasted a minute. It probably didn't. It probably lasted, you know,

1396
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:13.680
twenty seconds, but it was. It was pretty creepy, we

1397
01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:15.880
thought at first, my nept So my nephew met up

1398
01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:19.119
with me before we go to go to get this bear,

1399
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:22.680
and I said, you know, I don't know what the

1400
01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:23.279
heck's going on.

1401
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:25.720
He goes, well, maybe you didn't hit it right and

1402
01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:29.800
maybe you wounded it, and maybe it was making some

1403
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:33.560
blood curling roar that you've just never heard before.

1404
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:37.039
Because it was wounded and trying to get away. And

1405
01:19:37.399 --> 01:19:39.760
I said, you know what, we'll call it that. So

1406
01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:42.760
let's go over there and see what's going on. And

1407
01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.640
we hiked to that tree. We drove to another road

1408
01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:47.359
so it was a lot closer to get down to

1409
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:51.159
that tree. And we hiked down in there and my

1410
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:53.399
bear was laying on its back dead right where it

1411
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:54.319
fell out of the tree.

1412
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:58.079
Oh my goodness, Wow, what a wild story. I mean,

1413
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:02.720
that's it's as crazy as the first time I heard it.

1414
01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:08.039
Just it's awesome. It's that area is so intensely wild,

1415
01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:11.039
and you know, any of these places that have been

1416
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:14.000
coming up today, I mean, you got to be careful

1417
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:17.479
when you get out there. I mean, as it says

1418
01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:19.479
in the book Oregon Big for Hiway, you got to

1419
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:23.720
make sure you got a full tank of gas, you know,

1420
01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:28.319
safety safety supplies, and extra tires. You could easily, you know,

1421
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:30.880
mess up a tire up there. It is you don't

1422
01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:34.000
mess around when you're going out in these areas outside

1423
01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:38.439
of Estacada and Detroit. For sure, Jim, it has been

1424
01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.439
awesome talking to you. I do have one last question,

1425
01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:45.000
kind of a one off, and it doesn't hit no problem,

1426
01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:48.680
but have you ever heard of anything weird happening over

1427
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.079
by the let me look at my map here, it's

1428
01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:54.560
the Warm Springs Reservation.

1429
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:59.920
Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of people,

1430
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:03.439
you know, claim that they've seen stuff where where I

1431
01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:06.720
told you my original story that was above Last Creek

1432
01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:10.039
there south of Pvine. That's only a couple of miles

1433
01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:13.319
from Warm Springs Meadow, which is kind of almost borders

1434
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:17.640
the Worm Springs Indian Reservation. Yeah, there's there's a lot

1435
01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:24.760
of country that really Pinhead but a lolly butte, you know,

1436
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.760
the Pinheads that you know I ran into I'm sorry,

1437
01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:31.760
I can't keep his name, but the guy from Scuokum Lake,

1438
01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:35.479
I saw him up it up at Pinhead once. Wow.

1439
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.479
So yeah, it said, that's one of the other places

1440
01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:42.199
that I'd stumbled into him. So I'm going to say

1441
01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:44.840
there's probably an awful lot of activity there. I know

1442
01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:48.880
that if you're gonna if you're if you're going out

1443
01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:51.960
there looking for these things, you need to make sure

1444
01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:53.840
you're in a place where there's lots of alk and

1445
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:57.520
lots of bears because they they either you know, that's

1446
01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:00.439
a food source or that is well, Like I know

1447
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.720
of one place of the Calawash River where there's been

1448
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:08.359
a ton of activity, and I've had some really weird things,

1449
01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:12.199
never personally seen, but I've had some incredible stuff that

1450
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.880
could be a whole nother story going on up there,

1451
01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.199
and that is just filled with deer. There's hardly any

1452
01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:20.359
elk in that particular pocket, so it's not always elk.

1453
01:22:20.399 --> 01:22:22.600
They've got to have a good source. So it seems

1454
01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:25.560
like everywhere I hear of a sighting or I've heard

1455
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.079
somebody say, oh I saw one of these, or so

1456
01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:30.039
on and so forth, it always seems to be where

1457
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:32.279
there's a lot of elk, and there is a ton

1458
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:38.720
of elk on the reservation and back towards. I actually

1459
01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.560
saw a footprint in Badger Kirk Wilderness Area one time,

1460
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:46.199
which is kind of the other end off off reservation,

1461
01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:48.840
kind of the other end the mountain, you know, very

1462
01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:54.199
close to just basically directly east of Mount Hood. But

1463
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.680
I've never heard of anybody seeing anything over there. Every

1464
01:22:57.720 --> 01:22:59.960
time I've heard of somebody saying, oh I saw one

1465
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:02.680
or I heard one or this or that, it's always

1466
01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:08.159
been kind of where Skyline Road get gets to kind

1467
01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:11.560
of the headwaters of Cabin Creek and then through the

1468
01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:15.640
timber back towards Pinhead and then east of there. There

1469
01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:17.439
was an Indian guy I used to run into all

1470
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:20.079
the time up on forty two. His name was Rodney,

1471
01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:23.439
and he lived on the reservation, and he had claimed

1472
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:26.319
he'd seen him multiple times and they were always right

1473
01:23:26.359 --> 01:23:26.920
in that area.

1474
01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:31.960
Also, it's incredible. I mean, how cool is it. You know,

1475
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:35.399
you're out there as an outdoorsman, as a hunter, but

1476
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.920
you keep having these interactions and weird things happening, and

1477
01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:41.479
I'm just, you know, thank you so much for reaching

1478
01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:45.039
out to the show and for sharing what you've experienced

1479
01:23:45.319 --> 01:23:49.720
over the years. Jim has been delightful conversation. It's always

1480
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:51.920
fun to talk to someone who really knows the area

1481
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:55.079
around the Oregon Bigfah Highway. I just want to say

1482
01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:57.760
thank you so much for coming on the show. I

1483
01:23:57.840 --> 01:23:59.520
just want to make sure that you were able to

1484
01:23:59.560 --> 01:24:03.119
share everything that you wanted to talk about today.

1485
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:06.520
Yeah, I think we covered plenty. Maybe we'll have another

1486
01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:09.039
conversation down the road and I can tell you about

1487
01:24:09.039 --> 01:24:11.600
all the things I can't confirm absolutely.

1488
01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:14.720
Yeah, feel free to reach out and we can definitely

1489
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:16.960
set that up for later time. I'd love to have

1490
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:19.279
you back on. But thanks again, sir.

1491
01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:22.840
You bet, thank you, thank you for.

1492
01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.680
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