Sept. 5, 2025

California Cliff Whispers: Bigfoot Voices in the Dark

California Cliff Whispers: Bigfoot Voices in the Dark
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Season 1

What happens when one man’s childhood curiosity turns into a lifetime of terrifying encounters across California, Oregon, and beyond? In this gripping episode, we sit down with Mike — a witness whose experiences range from a shadowy figure sprinting past an abandoned UCLA camp in Lake Arrowhead… to a midnight chase through the desert tunnels of Lake Havasu… to family members hearing strange voices all night at Big Sur’s Pfeiffer Beach.


You’ll hear stories of trucks lifted five feet off the ground in the Minnesota forests, a Tahoe driver struck by something massive in a snowstorm, and eerie footsteps circling a VW bus on a rainy night near Arcata. From Cougar Falls in Oregon to the haunted woods of Mount Shasta, Mike’s accounts pull us deeper into the mystery of what’s lurking just out of sight.


This isn’t a secondhand legend — it’s a raw, emotional journey through decades of Bigfoot encounters that will leave you questioning how close you may have already come.


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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the.

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Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all.

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Right, big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking

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to Mike today. Mike is an individual I got connected

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to about some things he's wanting to share and his

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own encounter that happened in California. So welcome to the

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show today, Mike. How are you doing, sir?

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I'm doing well. Thank you.

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How are you doing doing great?

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It is always great to talk to people about their

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Bigfoot encounters. But also, I mean, there was just something

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about this area. It's a magical area, especially with Bigfoot interactions,

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as you probably know being involved with it. But you know, Mike,

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I want to make sure that we're able to have

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the time for you to share the different encounters that

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you'll be sharing today, so you'll feel free to take

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us back to when you had this experience and what

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was happening at that time.

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The first encounter I had was in southern California, I

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used to I grew up as in high school I

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will say a riverside, California, and about seventeen years old,

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a couple of friends and I.

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Had ditched school.

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And I wanted to go up in the mountains and

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just explore and going to hike and such. And it

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was nineteen eighty seven and it was in the Lake

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Arrowhead region. I don't know if you know are familiar

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with that region some of the mountains, and uh, we

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went up there and we were just driving around. My

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friend was driving and he just pulled over on a

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on a you know, a turnout, and we got out

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of the car and just started walking around. We found

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a trail and all of a sudden, it was right

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kind of right there there was a U c L

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a cabin like U c L A camp sign, and

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there was all these cabins that were like log campins

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that were vacant. It was in October, late October, so

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it was cold and there was no one around at all,

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and so we just started walking down a trail and.

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My buddies were pranksters.

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So they took off and they you know that next

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next thing, I know, I'm alone that they took off

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from each other, and.

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So I just kept walking around this.

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Camp and uh, it's probably like a half an hour later,

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I'm tried to find them.

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I couldn't find.

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Them for a little while, and I heard some noises

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and didn't think anything of it, kind.

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Of just move it noises in the woods.

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And I came around one cabin and I saw movement

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and I looked because it was about like three point

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thirty in the afternoon in October, so there were some

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shadows going on, but I could see pretty well, so

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maybe fifty yards away and maybe ten feet in from that,

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so there was trees. But I saw something standing up

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and took off really pretty quick, and I didn't hear

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it take off. I heard noises before that, I didn't

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didn't hear it take off, but it was upright and brown,

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like a dark brown. Immediately I thought it was a

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bear out here, like everyone would think. But you know,

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right in my right away, in my mind, I'm like,

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this thing was walking. So of course I wanted to

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really find my friends at that point, so I turned

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around and walked back to the car. That's the only

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thing I could think of where they probably be back

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there by now maybe I don't know, And I got

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out of there quick. So I got back and I

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asked them if they saw anything, and they both said no,

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they didn't see anything. I didn't tell them what I saw.

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I said, do you think there's bears out here and

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they're hanging on Possibly? That's all I said. I was scared.

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I kind of wanted to leave. I kind of calmed down.

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I was like, oh, it must have been a bear.

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In my head, you know, I'm just going to convince

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myself that it.

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Was a bear whatever.

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But in the back of my mind, I kept thinking,

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you know, I know it was upright, you know, but

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I'm with my friends.

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It took off. I'm fine going back further than that.

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You know. I grew up in the seventies. My first

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experience with Bigfoot was the Legend of Bogga Creek with

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a lot of people my age, and my first book

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that I read about it was probably in sixth grade,

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so that would have been like, oh gosh, I'm seventy

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eight or something, so quite a long time ago. So

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I definitely was interested in the subject. So going so,

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so going forward back to the situation.

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You know, we stayed there until.

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It got dark and we were all hanging out in

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the van just talking, and we heard footsteps and they

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were allowed, and I remember screaming big but getting down

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in the car all kind of scared, right, and my

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other friend did too.

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My other friend that was driving, he just laughed, you

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know whatever.

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But he heard it, and we all got quiet trying to

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hear it, he hear, you know, hear whatever we could.

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We had the lights on in the in the van,

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and he turned the lights off real quick, and we

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just waited there for like maybe ten fifteen minutes and

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started whispering like there's nothing, we don't hear anything, you know.

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It must have been twenty minutes later.

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We opened the van up and take the flashlight and

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went outside and we were by there was a picnic

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bench there and uh, there wasn't anything. And then a

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family or a big family raccoons came up and we're

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like that couldn't have been raccoons, you know, or scratched

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our head, like what the heck was that? But I

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was pretty convinced that maybe that was bigfoot. You know,

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well maybe it was a person, but I mean it

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was so loud, So I had this racing go on mind.

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We got to get out of here.

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It's late.

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I got to go home, and we made at home,

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you know, by like seven eight o'clock it was dark.

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So that was my first encounter. I think.

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That really got me.

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I mean I was already into it, but really got

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me going thinking that there is a much a good

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possibility this is happening to people having sidings. The next

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experience that I had was in nineteen eighty eight, and

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out of all places there's a lake habiting Nevada, I

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have gone on the map and looked for, you know,

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any sidings there.

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There really isn't any.

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There's maybe one kind of close to there, and there

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is you know, a desert sasquatch that has been reported

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on the border of California and Nevada, and then going

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west into you know, Pump Springs area and such. But

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this was you know, kind of far away, farther away

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from that It was right on.

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The river of Lake Havasu. I guess it's the Colorado River.

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And I was with a group of ten friends and

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we were camping.

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We had driven out there as a group.

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And it was probably through thirty three in the morning there,

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and it was it was in the middle of summer.

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There was no one there, not a soul anywhere. The

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whole campground was dead. We covered the grounds, no cars

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came in or out, and my friend and I went

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for just a brief hike around the campground at three

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in the morning.

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We weren't sleeping, and the milky ways was out.

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It was the most incredible milky way experience I've ever had.

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There's no you know, there's no lights out there, so

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it was it was incredible.

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I lit up this sky, the you know, the sky

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like the moon would.

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And I remember we're up on this hill, this little

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kind of hill, and we're like, oh, let's go back

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to camp. And we're going back a different way than

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we came, right on the lake, and so we started

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going on this trail and there's there's this.

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How can you explain it?

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It's there's trees growing from the left, trees growing from

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the right or maybe brush, and it was probably like

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fifteen twenty feet tall, and it kind of they can't

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have met in the middle, so it was like a

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tunnel and you could see you could see the light

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come a little bit coming through the tunnel on the

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back end, and we both kind of stopped about thirty

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fifty feet from it, and we looked at each other

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and said, okay, it was kind of dark in there,

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and we didn't have flashlights. We were all going by

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the Milky Way. I mean, you could see pretty well,

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and all of a sudden, here noise. We look at it.

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We're like, I don't know, and all of a sudden,

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something starts running at us very quickly, like unbelievably quickly.

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We turned around and ran up that hill, went all

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the way to camp, did not stop, and we were

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in shape, you know, as I was eighteen at the time.

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You know, I played football and track in high school,

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so I was back at camp pretty quick. But we

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this thing was right on us. Whatever it was, I thought,

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right at first, I thought I was a human.

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But it was black.

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It was all black, and it was like a shadow

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person coming out and you could hear the footsteps and

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we got back to camp and we're like, oh, I

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had to be at one of our friends, you know, prankness, right.

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They were all sitting by the campfire and we you know,

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we're at him and like, somebody's out there, you know,

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what's good. They didn't even matter that and they were

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just like whatever. But it could not have been a person.

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So I don't know what it was. But you know,

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with my brain, I'm thinking what I saw the year before.

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I'm thinking, you know, it had to be that, because

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what else would it have been, you know, a track

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star out there?

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Maybe?

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I mean, it was something very very fast.

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Excuse me.

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So that was that event in nineteen ninety two. You know,

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I traveled the country quite a bit in that time frame,

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nineteen ninety through nineteen ninety five.

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I traveled all over the country many times.

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And I was in Eugene, Oregon, and there was about

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you know, eight of our friends there were in a

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house and my friend's girlfriend's dad lived there and he

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was coming over because she was in town, and he

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was a logger.

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Well he came over. He was about six foot.

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Five and is a burly man, rugged, tough guy, and.

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You know, of course, but the experiences I had.

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I asked him outright, has he had any experience with Bigfoot?

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And all my friends laughed and some of them shook

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their head, like why you ask him, this guy this?

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And he just looked at me straight and the eyes

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and said yes, and my friends stopped laughing. I said, well,

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that's interesting what happened? And he said that, you know,

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over his years, he h he was probably like sixty

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at the time, he's had his equipment mess with and

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he's seen the footprints.

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So that was really really interesting to me.

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Kind of gave me a little bit of validation, and

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also just talking to somebody else that has had an experience.

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Was interesting to me as well.

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I mean I was probably twenty two at the time,

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somewhere around there, and you know, I kept out my

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reading of books and.

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Trying to get a hold of anything I could a

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big but at that point I was really kind of

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going deep on it, you know.

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I read doctor John Benda Doggles books and Greba Krantz

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I read a book by him, you know, and watching

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anything that was on TV, which is you know, TV sensationalized,

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but there's monster quest, I think is what was going

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on at that time, and I think it was nineteen

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ninety three. My brother and his wife came up to

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visit me. I live in Sanoma County now, and they're

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from southern California, and we got to talking about camping

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and they both blurted out, we're over going camping again.

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And I said why, So my wife, my wife and I,

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his wife and him. We're all sitting there talking at

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dinner and he's They were both.

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Kind of shicken h when they were talking about this.

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They're like, well, we had an experience at Fifers State

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Park in Big Sur last year, so that would have

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been nineteen ninety two that we can't explain and scared us,

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and we're over going. We're over and they had you

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know what, they have never gone camping since. Still to

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this day, they have never gone. So their story is

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they they didn't have this pre kids. They have two

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now and they're all grown up. But they went camping

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at the state park in Fifer's Beach and they slept

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on the beach and I tend and something, and then

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they had a cliff on one side that was non scalable.

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You can't scale the cliff, I don't know, sixty seventy

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feet high, I don't know, straight down and so you know,

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they woke up to like little pebbles coming down the uh,

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the wall, like somebody was coming down it. And they

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just were stting up the wide eye, going, oh my gosh.

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They could hear something some things actually, because they were

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chatting together. They were talking in a different language, and

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it sounded like they had They sounded like they were small,

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and they were talking and chatting kind of whispered chatting,

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but he couldn't make out what they were saying because

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it was in some kind of different language. And that

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went on for hours, and then finally whenever they got

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to the very bottom of like four in the morning,

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they got to the right back at the base of

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their tent and went silent.

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Nothing.

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They couldn't hear anything. Walk off, they didn't hear anything.

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He opened it, can't look nothing was there. The sun

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came up, they packed their bags and they were done camping.

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I guess for life, because they've never gone back.

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So yeah, I've I've talked to him, you know, many

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times since, and his story is the same.

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But he doesn't think it's bigfoot. He does not.

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He's a scientist and he's going in the skeptic camp.

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He didn't know.

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He's still just the status know what it was. He

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he doesn't claim to know what it was. But you know,

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especially now since you know, I've listened to SASTW chronicles

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and I don't know if you have to herem I

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have episode five point fifteen.

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Yeah, thinking about us, like, uh.

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Yeah when that episode Yeah, so when the episode first

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was played, I the hairs grow when I you know,

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rose up off my neck because it instantly reminded me

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of my brother because that was the same park and

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I'm almost certain it was the same beach that that happened. So,

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uh yeah, I found that really interesting. I have friends

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that live down there. There's a few stories here and there,

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but I they have never seen anything. I think probably

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it's a maybe migration or a path, you know, at

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an area where they go through. I'm not sure. I

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just kind of think it may be because there's not

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a lot of sidings down there, but there's not a

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lot of people either, so who knows.

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And then.

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As far as experiencing is that I've talked to people about,

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there was one more, Well, there's two more.

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There's one more in two thousand and two.

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One of my It was easy to acquaintance, you know,

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from elementary school. My kids went to school with their

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kids and they became friends, and so we became friends.

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They were on the same softball team and and so

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and so forth. So we would do things outside of

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school and work, and we went camping, and I don't

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know how the probably it was me brought up the

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brought up the bigfoot, because you know, they were talking

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scary stories, and I think one of my friends was like, yeah,

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he tell a story about bigfoot, and so I did,

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and so that, and then the discussion became a bigfoot.

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His wife and I kind of went at it. She's

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a total skeptic, but he said, yeah, my dad is really.

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Into big foot. And his dad's retired straight shooter, and

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he said that.

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So his story goes that he was in the Minnesota

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forest hunting. So he's a hunter deer hunting, and he

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was parked in his truck and so he has a

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cab over Ford f two fifty.

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It's a big truck and he sleeps in the back.

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He was sleeping in the back in early two thousands,

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and it was in the middle of the night, you know,

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two three in the morning, something picked his truck up

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five feet off the ground.

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And then dropped it.

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And that's a heavy truck and even if you had

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five men doing that, you would hear them and first

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of all, second of all, it would probably not get

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get picked up all in one.

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Just whatever picked it up.

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He said it picked it up and just dropped it

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like it was nothing, like a holy.

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And then nothing.

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So, you know, his his mind went to Bigfoot, as

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I mean, what else could what what I mean, what

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would you think it would be?

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Right?

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Your mind goes through all these things and it's like, well,

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Bear's not going to do that.

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People. It would take maybe even the strongest man in

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the world, and he might be able to do it.

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I mean, that's a heavy vehicle and it's high off

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the ground. So his mind went to Bigfoot. And he's been,

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you know, interested in Bigfoot ever since. He he goes

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out camping and he goes up to he still goes

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and hunts, and he's on the lookout for any signs

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and uh what have you. So I thought that one

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was really interesting as well.

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And the last one that I have is my wife.

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She spent a good seven years in Tahoe and like

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Tahoe and Tahoe City, and one of her friends there

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has a big foot story that he was driving home

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in the winter when it was snowing, and so it

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was driving home on the West shore, so it was

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coming from Tahoe City down to Homewood and he was

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going pretty slow because it was snowing pretty good.

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But he clearly saw it.

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It was upright, it was brown, and it was a

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big foot, and it smacked his car as he went by,

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going about twenty miles.

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An hour, you know.

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And we talked about that with not just my wife

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but a bunch of friends that know the guy, and

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they were all, yeah, that's that's what he says happened.

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And you know, a bunch of them were skeptics and

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like it, laughed about it, and I was kind of

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shaking my head on down saying, well, that probably did happen,

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because you know, I've gone and looked at all the

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sidings that are in South Lake Tahoe. He spoke kind

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of bit quiet the last few years, but a good

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fifteen years ago there was quite a bit of sidings there.

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So yeah, that's about all I have.

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With this.

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First and second sightings, second hand sightings that I have.

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Some really incredible stuff.

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I don't doubt that the story with the the truck

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being lifted up, I don't doubt at all, because I mean,

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you do hear that through through history.

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And then I've also.

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Had an individual tell me a story about a mushroom

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hunter in the Olympic Peninsula that he was I believe

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he was sleeping in his truck and it actually got

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picked up and then it was put upside down with

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him in it, and he was so he was so

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horrified that he said, forget this, I'm leaving my truck,

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like just left it. Never went back for it. So

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I don't I don't doubt that story for a second. Now,

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having these these interactions as as a younger individual, how

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did that affect the rest of your life. Did you

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ever go out looking for it yourself or or did

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you just get really involved with with the stories and

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talking to people about it.

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Well.

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I was really adventurous when I was young, you know,

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in my twenties. So that period of time eighty seven

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to like ninety five, I was hiking all over the place,

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Like I said, I was all over the United States,

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So I was on a lot of trails all over Washington, Oregon,

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a lot of Eugene area in southern Oregon. Grants passed

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northern California, and I did forget one other one. But

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you know, everything becomes subjector when you don't see something,

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you know, I mean, I guess, I mean, there's a

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lot of I don't know what classification cascob I guess sightings.

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You'd say, when you hear h scream or or you

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see stick formation or all that kind of thing. But

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mine was in my bus, So I so another story.

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But it's it's a little subject because I didn't see it,

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but or it could have been a person. But I

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was up camping in October. It was it was about

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October twenty fifth. It was poor pouring rain, freezing pouring rain,

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mind you, and it was like about two miles south

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of Arcada and a few miles north of clam Beach.

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I was right on the cliffs of the ocean. Then

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there was a beach down there.

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And I was driving back slowly, you know, down back

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to where I live in the North Bay to Day area.

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And it's about well thirty at night, and my dog's

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hair on.

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His back is up and it's just growling, really quietly,

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and so you know, I'm hearing the rain, but I'm

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hearing footsteps walk around the bus at a v VW bus.

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And I was, I was nerve wracked. I was scared

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because you know, I'm like, well, what I thought bear?

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At first? You know, there's plenty of bear up there.

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But it was circling the bus and it did it

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a couple of times, and I, you know, from my

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previous experiences, and I was, you know, already interested in

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and I'm like thinking, well, maybe it was a bigfoot.

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Who the heck would be out here? And there's there

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was at that point, there's no houses in that area.

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Now there are. I've looked at you know, Google Maps, just.

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Curious to find the beach again and look them and

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see what's developed in that area.

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So our house is like on the east.

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Side, there's a there's a highway one and then there's

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like houses in the on the hills, on the trees.

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But and another interesting thing about that, because I had

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people that were that were living in Arcadia and they

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come down and stopped for the day at that beach

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and people were saying, right next door, there's these woods,

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and they said, that's no one will camp there. I'm like,

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why because they called the ghost woods. I'm like, what,

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what you know? And then later I was thinking about

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it and I was like, well, I wonder it's because

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things are happening, you know that they can't explain. So,

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you know, like I said, a subjector and you can't

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prove anything by hearing something walk around your bus. But

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I definitely had my my suspicions that if somebody's walking

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around my bus at twelve thirty at night in freezing

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rain in October, they're crazy.

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I mean there's nuts, but there's nuts people. There are

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nuts up.

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Theres well true, yeah, me everywhere, but certain places more so.

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But did you see any tracks the next morning?

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No?

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And so, you know, getting back to what you were

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saying about searching for him, I never really went you know,

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bigfoot huntings per se.

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But I always had my eyes and ears open for

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any sign whatsoever. You know.

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I used to own property up in Laytonville area, and

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I always had my head on a swovel, you know,

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for anything that was happening.

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And you know, even on my property, I had to

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far end.

472
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.119
The property was twenty five acres, it was really dense

473
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:50.359
forests and rugged and there were some trees that were

474
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.400
didn't look right, you know. But at the same time

475
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.559
it's you know, I took pictures of time. It's on

476
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:04.920
an old phone. It's gone, but you know, I.

477
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.960
Don't know, But you know when you're when you when

478
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:07.240
you get when you when you have.

479
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.559
These experiences and you have other people tell you about

480
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.480
their experiences, and then when you dive in deeper to

481
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:17.039
the subject and you realize that there's something to it,

482
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.759
and then you talk to people like I've had a

483
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:25.359
conversation with Cliff Brockman, I've had a conversation with doctor Mildrum,

484
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:30.720
and I've gone to their lectures and you really dive

485
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.519
in deep to the evidence that that's there, you know,

486
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.279
I mean trace evidence in court can put you in

487
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.200
jail for life for murder, right, but they won't use

488
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.319
and they use it for you know, discovering humans from

489
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.920
you know, one hundred thousand years ago, but they won't

490
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:54.039
put it to Bigfoot. And these prints are way more clarity.

491
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:56.759
There's dermal ridges, there's push offs off of hills that

492
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.640
you can't do with any kind of pneumatic MECHANI. So

493
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:03.799
they want a body. I get it.

494
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.160
But the evidence is glaring right at you.

495
00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:11.680
It's just that, you know, people can't put their minds

496
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.680
around the believing it because bleeding seeing is believing, right.

497
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:19.519
Oh, a lot of people absolutely. I mean there was.

498
00:29:21.640 --> 00:29:24.319
Last month I was able to go out and Clacamus

499
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:29.279
County with the individual and yeah, I mean we found

500
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:35.759
like handprints out there and massive, absolutely massive, like if

501
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:39.400
you've ever seen the Paul Freeman ones, They're that size.

502
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:44.000
Like huge. It just blew my mind. I mean, Clacamus County.

503
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:48.880
In Oregon is is absolutely insanity. You mentioned that you

504
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.799
went out a lot in the area around Eugene. Were

505
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:56.279
you going out in the towns around Eugene then out

506
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.000
in the woods or anything like that, or.

507
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:03.160
Yeah, there's some great hiking out in Cougar Fallers ore here.

508
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:04.759
That's about twenty.

509
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:11.359
Miles east of Eugene, in east of Springfield. Very mountainous.

510
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.759
I think the Gota River is that the river goes.

511
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.480
I haven't been there for a while. There's a river

512
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.000
that goes along the highway there and it's very wooded

513
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.200
and Cougar Falls is absolutely gorgeous, beautiful.

514
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.240
There's a little like little lake with the waterfall, and

515
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.759
then there's hot Springs.

516
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:35.119
And there's a lot of high hiking around in that area,

517
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:37.720
and then east of Eugene as well.

518
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:40.680
I've done a lot of hiking.

519
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:48.359
And east of Portland and in Seattle so and then

520
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.880
as far as going up there west of Seattle, that's

521
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.440
a pretty good hot spot. But I never did see anything.

522
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:00.279
I always had my you know, and it actually I

523
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:05.160
had camped in some remote areas in westwork and as well,

524
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:11.799
close to the beach, very wooded. Still didn't seem you know,

525
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:14.240
Like I said, whenever I go camping, I keep my

526
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.640
ears and eyes open, especially now.

527
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:20.680
Oh I have one more story.

528
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:24.880
My my my, I almost said his name, but my my, my,

529
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:25.799
my really good.

530
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:26.480
Friend he.

531
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.920
I told talked to him in the lengths about Bigfoot.

532
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:39.559
And he went camping what's up with McCloud area at

533
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:43.720
this camp r V campground in McLoud And it was

534
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.680
September into September, just starting to get kind of cold,

535
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.960
and uh, there was nobody there except for the hosts,

536
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.720
you know, they lived there. And he had his little

537
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:58.599
dog it's a it was a it doesn't matter o

538
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:03.160
kaind Frinch book French bull something. And so he was

539
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:06.559
camping and he had a fire going, and he went

540
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.920
in to his tent and he was falling asleep. It

541
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.680
was who knows what time. He don't think he knew

542
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.279
what time it was, but he walked up to something

543
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:20.519
kind of playing in the fire and he's like, who

544
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:25.000
the heck would be playing in the fire and whatever

545
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:32.640
it was sounded upset, like it was making noises that

546
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:33.559
sounded upset.

547
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:35.960
And then it cleared its throat and he's like, it

548
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.200
did not sound human, but it sounded like a woman.

549
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.640
I thought that was really interesting because it was taking

550
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:48.359
logs like it was like trying to put it out. Yeah,

551
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:53.160
And he told me that story, and he was Another

552
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.599
thing about this is they put him in the very

553
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.240
very corner, right next to the woods, far and far

554
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:05.240
as far away as you can get sight. So that

555
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.799
was interesting, I thought, because again, who's going to be

556
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.839
doing that. You know, it could have been the campground

557
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:16.920
host maybe, but he said it didn't sound didn't sound right.

558
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:18.279
Absolutely.

559
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.400
I mean you take into consideration where it is too.

560
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.640
I mean, that's McCleod, California, right correct, So that's in

561
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.880
the shadow of Mount Shasta, which is also next to

562
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:36.240
you know, Dunsmere Weed Eureka, all these places in that

563
00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.640
area and in Mount Shasta itself, a lot a lot

564
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.200
of activity over the years, in definitely current days as well.

565
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:47.119
So I mean, yeah, that's that's some pretty weird stuff, dude.

566
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:50.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

567
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:55.200
You know, I've been wanting to get myself out into

568
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:01.119
the woods, but my kids work and you know everything,

569
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.880
and you know, I just got doing college, so that

570
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.160
that all got, you know, has taken a lot of

571
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:06.599
my time.

572
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:11.719
Plus I broke my back last year in a car accident,

573
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:16.159
so I can't hide quite far anymore. You know.

574
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.400
Hopefully I can get through it and get back to

575
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:24.719
where I was, But glamping's my style right now, anyway.

576
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.400
Gotcha, gotcha? I hope you you the best with that.

577
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.119
That recovery, I know, that's that can be a long road.

578
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.599
Yeah, thank you, appreciate it. But you know, you can

579
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:40.639
still get some activity from you know, if you take

580
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:46.119
your r V out anytime after after October and do

581
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.880
some winter camping. There's nobody you know in some of

582
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:57.320
these campgrounds, and uh, from what I've been reading and

583
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.920
hearing on some of the pot cast that people are

584
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.719
having experiences even just having them come to you.

585
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.599
They'll mess with your RV. I mean I've heard of

586
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:14.000
that more than once. I mean I'm thinking of the

587
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:19.280
area around Eugene east of it, Uh, you know, Dexter

588
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.559
and Lowell and Oakridge. I've gotten many reports in that

589
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:26.920
area of r v's just being swattered around like flies

590
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:33.320
when there's people in there. You mentioned Cougar Falls right right,

591
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:35.760
that's by is that up by Rainbow Oregon.

592
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:39.400
I have to look at the map.

593
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.360
Yeah, just student, it's like you're going over You're going

594
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:43.320
up to the pass right.

595
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.320
Well, if you go into Eugene, you know mean Cougar

596
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:55.320
Hot Springs. Yeah, it's Blue River yep, yeah, right by

597
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:56.280
the Cougar Reservoir.

598
00:35:58.480 --> 00:35:59.400
So you would take.

599
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.960
The one twenty sixth east, so you've got to go

600
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.119
buy Walterville, Lieberg, Vita.

601
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:07.719
And Blue River.

602
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.519
Yes, yeah, and it's it's right up in there, beautiful

603
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:16.360
area right next to the reservoir. And uh, I've had

604
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.920
you know, back when I was going there, you know,

605
00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.280
people were saying different stories.

606
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.400
You know, they've heard things, but I just didn't.

607
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:31.000
I never got any you know, definitive story told to

608
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.440
me that this my friend, my friend, you know, blah

609
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.519
blah blah. So who knows, but it's definitely a place

610
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.159
where I could see activity happening. The willham At National

611
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:41.320
Forest is right there.

612
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:46.119
Oh, it's it's so crazy. I drove drove through it.

613
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:50.480
About a month ago in July when I was out

614
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.840
there in Oak Ridge, and I mean, it's just a

615
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:56.599
weird area, you know, once I drove past. I don't

616
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:58.840
know if you remember finn Rock, that rock that's like

617
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.159
the roads, it's it, it's huge, That's just the vibes

618
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.000
are are weird. When you drive through that Rainbow and

619
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:11.239
McKinsey Bridge area. You've heard so many things and you've

620
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:15.519
experienced some things yourself. Do you have any leanings either

621
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.360
way about what you think it is that we might

622
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:22.199
be dealing with, whether it's something maybe more human related

623
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:26.960
or ape related perhaps, you know, this is.

624
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.320
The very question that I talked to doctor Meldrim about.

625
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:36.960
And you know, and why why didn't gorillas in particular,

626
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:39.760
or champanzees, why didn't they evolve like we did?

627
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.480
Why didn't they.

628
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:49.880
You know, and in particular, if Bigfoot is an omnivore,

629
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.159
which is what we think they are, because they have

630
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:57.840
been seeing stealing chickens, they carried deer, this type of thing.

631
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:04.679
Why didn't the involved like ours did, because you know, brains,

632
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:11.400
you know, accomplished brains need a lot of protein. And

633
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:14.920
he had a great answer, which I can't exactly recall him. Yeah,

634
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.840
so that thought that was very interesting. But I think,

635
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.719
you know, as we find more and more fossils and

636
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:28.000
which are really hard to find nowadays, a lot of

637
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.920
skeptics are saying.

638
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.840
Oh, well, why don't we have a body, why don't

639
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.880
we have you know, fossil evidence.

640
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:40.960
Well, you know, back forty years ago, the evolutionary tree

641
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:45.079
for humans was a lot you know, Dennis Ovan's weren't,

642
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.719
for example, weren't discovered yet.

643
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.199
And we're finding more and more pieces of that tree.

644
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.199
In discovering that, oh they're all there wasn't only four

645
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.719
now there's you know, there could have been twenty five

646
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:06.239
different upright walking apes that have contributed to a human species.

647
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:09.719
So, uh, that's what I think that it is. I

648
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:11.000
think it's one of the branches.

649
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:15.039
And just like anything else, like gorilla, chimpanzee, they have

650
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:16.239
branches before them.

651
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.639
I think it's another hominid.

652
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:26.920
Possibly they're they're there's I believe that they're smart, but

653
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.480
I don't think that they're humans. They don't have this

654
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:36.039
this capability that we do as far as being as

655
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:39.119
smart as us. I think that they are an adaptation

656
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:43.639
to their environment. They are very, very highly adapted to

657
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:48.719
their environment. But you know, uh, there's a guy in

658
00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:50.480
matt through It. I don't know if you know of

659
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:56.039
him here. Yeah, yeah, his latest book was really interesting.

660
00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:00.960
He talks about how, you know, in different cultures, Let's say,

661
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.800
you know, in the India and China, they had all

662
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.920
these different beliefs that tigers had magic powers.

663
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:10.079
And for thousands of years.

664
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.400
And the reason why it is because they are so

665
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.320
adapted to their environment, and they are so quick, and

666
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:20.920
they're so powerful, and so there was so much mystery

667
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.079
to them. I think the same thing is happening with bigfoot.

668
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.920
I think that you know, they're so rare and they

669
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:31.559
are there. They are intelligent enough to be able to

670
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.719
evade us. They stay away from us. They they know

671
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:39.880
how to hide, they know how to lay down on

672
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.679
the ground and be quiet for keck.

673
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:43.159
They can out.

674
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.480
They can out quiet you and outpatient you for an

675
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.920
hour you think it's gone, it's still there. That's my belief.

676
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.960
I really do think that they they have sealth qualities.

677
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.079
They're so they can be quiet as a mouth even

678
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.320
though the way you know, lay in are bounds. So

679
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.599
I think that that that's my nutshell of it. I

680
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.039
think that they're a hominid or an ape, you know,

681
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:13.039
that's very adapted to her environment, very quick and you

682
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:14.239
know and smart for an.

683
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:20.119
Eight Yes, interesting interesting thoughts. Thank you, Thank you for

684
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.960
sharing those. I also, before I forget, thank you for

685
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.719
sharing your original you know encounters. And that area is

686
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:33.719
not the first time that you know, Crestline Arrowhead has

687
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:38.079
come up on the show before. We've had another individual

688
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:43.679
speak about how she really went through some interesting things

689
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.280
at a house in that area. That's episode eight oh

690
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.840
seven in the Crestline Arrowhead area. But yeah, I was

691
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.280
once I heard you say that, I was like, oh man, yeah,

692
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:57.440
we we've been here before. But that whole area is

693
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:04.280
is pretty pretty wild, and I believe Eli Watson covers

694
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:10.079
while the southern California area in his Southern California documentary

695
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.039
series for Small Town Monsters on Bigfoot. But yeah, I

696
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:15.719
just wanted to say, you know, thank you so much

697
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.159
for coming on today. It has been fun talking to you, Mike,

698
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.159
and thank you for sharing everything that you've experienced and

699
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:26.320
heard over the years.

700
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:28.719
Well, thank you for having me on and I appreciate

701
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:32.519
what you're doing. I love listening to all the experiences

702
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:38.199
and helps me process my own, so yeah, I appreciate it.

703
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.199
Thank you for listening to this episode of The Bigot

704
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.199
Society Podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the

705
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.320
world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that

706
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:50.920
the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line.

707
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.400
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And remember, if you or someone you know has had

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so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com

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as much as you are. Thanks again for following along

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