Aug. 28, 2025

Dragged From His Car by Sasquatch | Washington

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Season 1

What happens when a pastor from Oregon spends decades chasing Sasquatch through the Blue Mountains, Highway 12, and beyond — and keeps running into the unexplained?



In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit down with Kevin, a lifelong Bigfoot researcher whose journey began as a child in Puyallup, Washington, listening to “samurai chatter” with his father. Kevin’s story spans the infamous Puyallup Screams, late-night encounters near Packwood, gifting exchanges at Deduct Springs, and even the moment a patrolman accidentally urinated on a Sasquatch — only to be met with a roar that shook the night.



From flipping logs in search of beetles, to roadside stand-offs on Highway 12, to deep mysteries in the Indian Heaven Wilderness, Kevin shares accounts that will leave you questioning what walks our forests after dark. More than just tales of terror, this episode reveals how the search for Bigfoot has shaped a lifetime of faith, research, and family connection.



If you’ve ever wondered what it feels like when the woods wake up around you — this is the episode you can’t miss.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account is from a man who grew up with

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Bigfoot in his backyard and never stopped chasing the mystery.

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From screams in the night to broken branches deep in

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the Blue Mountains to a roadside encounter outside Packwood that

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left a family speechless. These are the accounts that Kevin

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is sharing that spanned decades. Somewhere in the middle of

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all these years, something happened that changed how Kevin looked

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at Sasquatch forever, and maybe it'll change you as well.

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This is one episode you won't want to miss, so

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stay with us, all right, Big for Society've got the

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privilege of talking to Kevin Kevin's I guess I could

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say Kevin is a friend in an individual that I

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met at the Sasquatch Summerfest festival in Oakridge, Oregon. I

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came over to the table and we started chatting, and

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he knows his stuff in multiple different ways. He's a

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lifelong Bigfoot researcher and also a pastor from Oregon, so

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really connected.

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Well.

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But welcome to the show, Kevin. How are you doing today?

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I'm doing great, fantastic looking forward to this absolutely. Man.

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I'm looking at the map that you gave me right now.

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I'm gonna get it all up on the wall looking good.

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Had to send it in the mail from sisters and

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I was like, man, I hope, I hope this gets through.

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And it got through with no issues. So we are

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good there. But you know, Kevin, We've got a lot

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of ground to cover today. You have really been in

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it for a long time, and so I'm going to say,

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let's start with this. You know, what was it that

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first got you into the Bigfoot at into Bigfoot at

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a very young age?

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Yeah, let's yeah, that's a good place to start. I

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believe it would have been about nineteen sixty seven sixty eight,

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right in there, and he had moved up from California.

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My dad was an optometrist, and we bought a place

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out on South Hill, pew Wallup, and at that time

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it was there were a huge set of power lines

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that ran by evergreen forests, but there really wasn't anything

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up there. It was just woods and I can remember

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the trees lining Meridian, which is the main drag that

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runs through pew wall Up and up over South hill

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and all the way out to the mountains, and it

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was just trees and big trees, lots of trees everywhere,

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and there were no housing developments. It was just this

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one housing development, and then there was another one to

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the west of us, too, but it was just uncut ground,

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uncut area. And we lived at the very back of

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this Evergreen Forest housing development. And Dad had bought a

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three bedroom, two bath with a garage home and it

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was right back on the corner. And I can remember

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playing in the woods and I just loved it there.

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I learned how to ride my bicycle. I can remember

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crashing on my bike a couple of times and getting

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pretty beat up. But the cool thing was my dad

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came in one night and he opened my bedroom window

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all the way and he said, listen to this, and

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outside we could hear this is what I call now

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their signal calls, and they're signaling one another figuring out

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what it was. They were figuring, I'm here where you at,

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and don't go wandering off and getting in trouble. That's

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what the signal call is. And it was it's kind

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of a beak and almost a almost sounds metallic. If

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you're really close to it, but it's a screen and

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it was echoing through the woods. And then another one

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different voice, and he said, those are bigfoot. That's what

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my dad told me. And I was probably seven at

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the time, maybe eight, And it was impressive because he

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would come in several nights a week and open my

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window and set by my dad wake me up, and

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we would listen to chatter, the samurai chatter. That was

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the first time I ever heard that, And you know,

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it was just it was cool because my dad would

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read the newspaper every night and he would pull bigfoot articles.

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This is this is now the late sixties, early seventies,

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and he would pull these articles that were common in

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the newspaper. People would send in their reportings. A reporter

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would go out and they would write a big article.

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And so we started keeping a scrap book together, my

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dad and I did about the big foot phenomenon. He

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was also interested in UFOs at the time and I

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wasn't at the time, but I mean, it was still interesting.

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But for him, he liked the bigfoot and the UFOs.

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He didn't ever tie them together. That would come years

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later where he would start to tie that together. But anyways,

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so that's how I got my start. And so all

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the articles I remember Pierce County Sheriff's Deputy, if they're

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still alive, they're probably listening to this, which is kind

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of interesting. But he stepped out of his patrol car

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at the end of a cul de sac of the

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housing development was starting to go in and there was

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still mostly woods in the area, and he got out

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to relieve himself, and as he was relieving himself, apparently

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he had actually relieved himself on a sasquatch that was

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in the brush right there, and it stood up to

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its full height and screamed at him. And it was

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one of those war screens. It's like that scene and

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Harry and the Henderson with the girl's hair goes flying.

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I could see the guy's hat anything go flying back.

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But anyways, he jumps back at his patrol car because

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this thing is going away from him and it's continuing

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to roar and to scream and to make all these

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this rackettest noise. I think that's a good word, rackettess noise.

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And he said, can you record this to the dispatch

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lady and she says, yes, I will, And that was

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the first of many of the pewall Up screams. Oh,

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and I still have an old copy of that from

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the dispatch, and it was a really clear because the

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animal was really close to him and his patrol car,

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and so it really came out pretty good and then

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it got quieter as it went. But the pewall Up screams,

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the Snahoma screams, the Ohio screams, I would say all

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of those are those signal calling where they're trying to

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identify where one another or at as they're feeding through

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the night, just trying to keep tabs on each other.

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So Kevin wrote real quick man that that is wild.

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Should is it like an old cassette you have that

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has that on it?

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No, I don't have that, but it's part of who

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is it that explain that to me? I think it

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was Bob Timmas Oh wow, Because Bob Titmus slept under

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a bunch of equipment out at South Hill Pewollip and

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he had the original copy cassette that they had recorded,

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but he went out and got his own that were

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just as good, and I think those are the ones

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that are on the BFR website. Still, the pewoll Up screams,

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they sound like coyotes going off, and I think that

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was Bob Titmas's recordings. I'm pretty sure. I mean, Bob's

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not around anymore to ask him, were those your recordings,

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because I can't quite remember, but it seemed to me

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like his were the ones that they used on the

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BFRL website.

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Okay, I think I remember us talking about this at

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the festival, how you used to hang out with Bob Tiitmos,

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and I was just like, this is absolutely crazy. So

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this is like mid mid seventies that you're hanging out

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with Bob Timmos.

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Oh no, no, no, this would come years later. Okay, Yeah,

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he was just living for me because I'd set in

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his kitchen and he would tell me stories about the

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past and anyways, he was talking about the Puolu and

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how that was one of his best because he was

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able to get really good recordings of these vocalizations. And

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the sasquatch would do a sounding and as they would

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do a sounding, the coyotes would just rrupt. They would

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just start hooting and hollering and yipping. The coyotes would

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and then the sasquatch would scream again, a sounding scream

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and in all silence right down all of this stuff

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and going, wow, I never even thought of that.

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That's incredible, that's.

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What and yeah. And then later he had mentioned to

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me that why do you think that the coyotes follow

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the elk? And I went, I don't know, I never

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thought of it. Said, well, the elk stir up the mice,

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and the coyotes are scooping up the mice as they're

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following the elk. And I went, WHOA, would that be

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the same thing with sasquatching. He's a bengo, you got it?

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Oh wow, isn't that awesome? But you know he's a tracker.

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He was the one that showed Jerry Crew how to

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pour the plaster of Paris castings of that first footprint

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that went on the AP in nineteen fifty eight and

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hit the Worldwide AP Service and showing him holding this

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big cast. And that's where the title Bigfoot came from,

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because it was on that article at AP wire. It

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came out about Jerry Crew and he was the head

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cat skinner there. He was the bulldozer driver clearing that

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road in Bluff Creek and made that casting after Bob

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told him how to do it. So he was the

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local taxidermist.

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Bob was a tax exactly right, right, And there's not

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I mean, you can find some info about Bob, but

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he never wrote a book or anything.

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No, he didn't.

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Yeah, why that's why it's so important. He is mentioned

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in it. But when you can find more info about Bob,

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titmus it's very you can get very interesting.

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For sure.

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So you were in Pialla and then your dad is

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you know, listen to this. You've got the scrap book.

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You guys are you know, working through stuff? And then

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so does that set you on just a lifelong you know, Okay,

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I'm really going to figure out what this is. I'm

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totally into this bigfoot thing from there on out.

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No, I really don't think so. It was more like

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I was always fascinated with the subject, and you know,

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there would be in search of what them on and

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Lennard Nime why would come on? And all the TV stuff,

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And then you've got the thing down there in Louisiana,

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the Falk Monster and all of those things that a

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lot of the kids in my my age, even kids younger,

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would watch them because they would reshow them. But I

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remember going and seeing the legend of Bogey Creek at

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the Auburn Theater in Washington, and that was quite the thing.

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I came out of there really impressed. And I still

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had nightmares since I was growing up of a hand

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coming in while I was using the bathroom scared the whoopy.

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I don't know if you've ever seen that, Jeremiah.

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Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

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It it really is talk about getting personal. But anyway,

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so for me, it was it was something my dad

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and I did together. I loved it. And then all

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of a sudden, they're just I didn't even really think

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about this, but they're just weren't any more newspaper articles

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coming out. And you know, I went up through junior

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high and high school and nothing. I go to college

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at Central Washington University on Ellensburg, Washington, and I'm playing

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football over there, and then I'm also becoming a teacher,

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studying to be teaching. My wife and I both were

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at that time. And my dad calls me on the

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phone and says, hey, there is a Tacoma News Tribune

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article today about a guy named Grover Krantz. He's a

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professor of Washington State University. My dad attended Washington State University.

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That was one of his colleges. But anyways, so he

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was pretty excited because he says, they're talking about dermal ridges.

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And I said, what are dermal ridges? And he says, well,

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why don't you go see if you can get a copy.

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It's today's paper, it's the Tacoma News Tribune, and you

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should have something there on campus. He said, just go

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up the library. And I say, I know right where

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the newspapers are. They have all the newspapers. So I

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went down to the library that evening and rode my

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bike down there and went up and talked to the

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library and she says, yeah, I've got the copy of

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the tant here. I got several copies of it. You

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want one? And I said, yeah, I love one, and

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so I did. I grabbed that original copy and I

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went home and I consumed him and I read it

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a second time. I read a third time, and I'm going, wow,

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this is cool. There's there's dermal ridges, there's fingerprints on

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the footprints. And in that article he was talking about

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Grover Krantz was they were interviewing him. They was talking

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about how he had contacted some of his sources that

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have lots of plaster casts and had them go through

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their collection. And when they did, they called me back

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and said, yeah, there's there's a good number of them

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that have fingerprints on them, because this guy didn't have

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any clue what they were. And the guy was Bob Chedmus.

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He had the world's large fats collecting, you know, he

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when he was young, he would he would go all

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over the United States poor cast teach people how to

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do that, but he would collect them and he even

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drained one of the ponds I think it was upon

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Blue Creek Mountain down in the Bluff Creek area. He

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drained the pond because he saw there were footprints and

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when he did he was able to cast leg and

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butt prints. So the Scukum cast that was taken in

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two thousand wasn't the first butt cast that had ever

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been taken. And then I met another guy who actually

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he didn't cast them, but he took lots of pictures

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and measured and put his AR fifteen down next to

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the to the butt prints. There were two butt prints

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in the snow. And this was in the Blue Mountains,

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really close to the ski area down there called Bluewood.

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And I was a skier too, so we'd be up

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skiing on the different I knew all the different ski areas,

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and in the summertime I would walk around some of

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these skiers and look for Sasquatch stuff like Stevens Pass

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no Qualmy paths. I'd be up at Alpa Pol climbing

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the hills because I love the hike and looking for

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Sasquatch stuff. I never found anything on those trips, but

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I've heard lots of great stories of people who go

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in and they clean those trails during the late summer

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to get ready for the ski season, and they do

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bump into them, or they actually found tracks in different

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evidence and so forth. So that's just fascinating to me

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coming from that that era. I was a ski instructor

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for a lot of years also, and then I raced

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up at Crystal Mountain Athletic Club up at Crystal Mount,

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Washington when I was in high school. But so I

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was always kind of tied to the Eskiri as well.

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Skiers right in the middle of Sasquatch country, especially in Washington.

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One hundred per one hundred percent, I mean you are

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right right there where where the action should be should

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be happening.

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Yeah, that launched everything and that article on Tacoma News

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Tribune started off with Grover Grants talking about something that

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happened on Tiger Canyon Road in the Blue Mountains next

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to a watershed. It was the Wall Wall Watershed and

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that at this place called Bear Saddle, which you don't

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find it on a map or anything. You just got

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to know where it's at. They found a bed. They

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found fifty sixty tracks, different size, three different individuals, which

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was amazing to me. And I mean, all this was

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in that article, that Tacoma Newstribune article that I went

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and got the CWU library that my dad told me

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to go check out, and all this information was there.

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And I can't even remember what there the week it was,

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but I made plans. I was taken off. I was

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cutting class on Friday and I'm hento the Blue Mountains.

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I want to go find this Tiger Canyon Road. And

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that really launched me into it. So here I am

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a college student, you know, football player at the university,

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and I'm running off to look for Sasquatch.

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Oh wow, So you went after it?

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Yeah, yeah I did. And I went down there by

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myself and then my brother was playing football at Walla

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Walla he was there on a scholarship too. He was

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a running back, and anyways, he went with me the

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second time I went up and we had some pretty

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amazing experiences up there. We found broken tree branches and

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this is on the north side. This was up by

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Stuart's cabin. They call it. It's up by Lewis Peak.

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Those that are from the Blue Mountains area, hey, you

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know it. And I ended up spending while I was

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in college, probably about four years, really doing in depth.

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Every other week I was down to the Blue Mountains again,

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my wife would go with me. And after a while,

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my wife said, I think they know when we're coming.

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They seem to be all gathered around our camp area

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and they'll vocalize, they'll leave footprints, they'll leave out gifts.

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All this stuff was going on in the eighties and

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I cast quite a few nice footprints from nineteen eighty

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seven forward. But that was in the Blue Mountains and

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I did a lot of study back there, a lot

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of running those trails. And that was when I was young,

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so I could I could move really good at that time.

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So what kind of no.

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We all are getting there? So what kind of gifts

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were you? Were you receiving in that area.

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It was interesting because I would walk along past something

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like a sawd off tree, and so you got a

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big tree trunk. And in the middle of that tree trunk.

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The next day there's a rock that's about six by

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six sitting on it. It's just a round river rock

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and you're up on the mountaintop and it's all jagged

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rocks up to there's no river rocks there. They carried

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that river rock from down to the south fork of

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the walla wall and put it on that stump for me,

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right and I had to walk by to go to

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my camp, and there's nobody else camp there. This was

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a d duck springs that happened. And I said, Alison,

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I think they left that rock for us, and she said, no,

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they wouldn't do that, and I said, well I would they.

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I didn't know anything about gifting and never heard anything

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about it, and so we would do things like we

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would make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and set

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it on the stump and it'd be gone. Well, you know,

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a bear could have got that or anything. We're looking

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around for sign maybe a raccoon grabbed it. You know,

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it could have been a raven because they're big enough

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to fly down and carry off a peanut butter and

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jelly sandwich. But then if you do that and you

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have a rock setting there afterwards, that's pretty good indication

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there was an exchange.

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That makes sense.

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So you're having stuff happen at d Ducks Springs prior

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to when the Freeman Foodage was filmed.

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Yeah, that was usually our camping spot we would camp,

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and the reason is because the pond was nice. It

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was great for I mean, after two days you get

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pretty starchy, and it's kind of nice to be able

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to jump into the water that's deep enough that you

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can actually get cleaned up. So, yeah, we had a

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lot of activity there. We had a big stump. It

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was a cedar log of bullet and what they do

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is they take those in and they cut those into

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shingles or whatever. Anyways, it was by itself been there

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for years, and the dirt had kind of piled up

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around the sides of it, and the sasquatch had taken

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and got his fingers underneath it and flipped the thing

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over and then apparently was eating the bugs underneath it.

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That's the only thing we could figure and it looked

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like he worked over the log too, because there were

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like beetles and things like that all over. And I'm

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sure that was was just a snack form. But I

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had a great footprint, and that would have been June twelfth,

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nineteen eighty seven, and that was a cast of Earl.

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And I say Earl. I'm not even sure if it

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was West Summerlin or if it was Grover Krantz and

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Greg May that had named him Earl for sure, but

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it was the only time I ever saw his footprint,

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and I never cast it again, just that one time,

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and it was it's a very strange foot his. You know,

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a lot of people think that Sasquatch footprints are like ours,

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all the toes are together, But the majority of prints

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that you find there's going to be a lot of

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movement in the toes and a lot of spreading. Their

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feet are wild. They're not contained in a shoe, and

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so they don't become what would you say, confined, and

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our feet when we walk, we can see, you know,

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the peas of the pod going across it are all

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nice and neat, and they look like a human track. Well,

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you do get those with a Sasquatch. But their toes,

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I mean, they can pick up pencils and throw a

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match you with their feet if they wanted to. They're

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very They can do a lot more than we can

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because they've never had that restriction of shoes like we have.

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But yeah, so anyways, when I found that I cast

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that immediately West Summerland Swede recognized it. Sweet Summerland Grover.

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I showed him and he said, oh yeah, and then

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he pulls out a drawer full of about five or

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six casts that were the same one. And the track

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that I have is eighteen inches long. It's fairly good sized,

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and it's a narrow foot. And typically a narrow foot

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accompanies a female sasquatch, and that the males are a

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lot whiter in the feet. But this Earl guy, he

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has a real narrow foot, or had a really narrow

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foot at least in nineteen eighty seven he did. And

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then later up above DTA and if you look on

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a Google Maps or a topographical map USGS topic graphical map,

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you can see just above where the junction of Skyline

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Road and Tiger Canyon Road come together, and it is

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literally not even a quarter mile from d Duck Springs.

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You're really kind of in that area where several you

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have the Walla Walla Watershed, which is part of the

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drainage into that watershed starts right there at that junction

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of Skyline Road and Tiger Canyon, but also the south

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fork of the Walla Walla and also all the things

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flow off to the east there go down into the

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Milk Creek Canyon, which run into the Winnaha or the

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Wanaha River, depending on who you're talking to, So they

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pronounce it different over there, the Wanaha or the Wennaha.

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And I never did get a saul at which one

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it was. Dance Ortune would call it something else, and

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then Swede would call it. So I've got you guys

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are the locals, and you don't even call it the

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same anyway.

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That's really funny.

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Did you have any sightings during those college years prior

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to the nineties.

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No. Actually, the only time I can actually say I

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had sighting was when we were at Lake Plaza trailhead,

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which is in the Indian Heaven Wilderness above Scuok of Meadows,

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and it was early in the morning. It was not light,

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but it was kitting light. You could tell the sky

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was starting to change. It's kind of that tweener. And

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something went busting through the woods. It was right by

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our camp and I'm using the bathroom and I'm getting

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walking back to the tent. As I'm walking back, there's

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this loud noise and the first thing you think of

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is elk. But when you look at what's moving through

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the brush, you can't see. It's still too dark, but

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it's upright, and I'm going, well, that's not a human.

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And that was much bigger been a human anyway. And

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so I think at that point I could say that

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I actually had a sighting. And like like just like

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in the Blue Mountains, when we would go down to

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the Indian Heaven Wilderness and we would camp at the

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Lake Placid trailhead, we would have gift exchange. They would

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vocalize we learned a ton there and that was that

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was my favorite camp when we were in the in

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the Scuoka Meadow area and we had a lot of

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activity happened there over the years. What happened as as

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a school teacher and football would start typically around the

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tenth of August, you know, the eighth to tenth, the sixth,

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somewhere in there. So that last week in July and

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the first beginning of the first week in August, we

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would go up ten days, fourteen days. The kids because

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they would be in football when they got into high school,

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but we would go up there and we would camp

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during that time and pick wild huckleberries, and we'd look

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for sasquatch stuff and call blast and I'd get out

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call blasting speakers from the BFRO because I was part

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of the BFRO then, and my kids grew up thinking

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that you didn't just go camping somewhere, you went looking

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for Bigfoot. Don't doesn't everybody do that? No, it was

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just the Lindley family.

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That's incredible. And I can cut the name out too

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if we need to. I'm just reminding myself during editing.

460
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Yeah, yeah, you don't need to. That's okay, okay, because

461
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:35.319
it's it's a trail head that is really popular and

462
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.160
the lake is beautiful. It's it's just a small lake.

463
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:40.400
It's I don't think it's deeper than twelve feet at

464
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:45.000
the deepest point, but it's warm water, great for swimming.

465
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.359
And it was only about I'm thinking I was a

466
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.400
half mile. I've been three quarters of a mile to

467
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.000
the lake and then back out again and it's pretty

468
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.559
flat and you're in all this big old girl timber.

469
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.640
It's just beautiful in there. And so yeah, it's a

470
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:04.200
great and it's that it's such a hotbed. That's whole Scuokum,

471
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.799
the whole area, that Scuokam meadows area that drain comes

472
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.160
into the Lewis River that is in Washington State. It's

473
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.480
just a phenomenal place. So the Blue Mountains was a

474
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:18.880
major research area from you, especially during college. But we

475
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.000
would go back often, and that was where I met

476
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.519
Paul Freeman too, and spent quite a bit of time

477
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.079
with him. The whole time that I knew Paul, he

478
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:28.000
was pretty much crippled. He couldn't get out and do

479
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:30.839
what he used to do. And so I was the

480
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.119
young kid and he would say, now, if you go

481
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:35.480
right down there in the south Fork, he says you

482
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.039
when you get down there, I once you get right

483
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.000
in the bottom, there's a grassy area down and then

484
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.000
there's usually footprints right along the south Fork. So go

485
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:45.000
down and check that out. For me, I was the

486
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.359
one with the mini backpack, threw it on and down

487
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:50.319
over the hill I went. But that was when I

488
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:52.480
was younger, Paul would sit and wait for me.

489
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:55.599
Oh, my goodness, that is so wild. What So that's

490
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:57.400
it was that late nineties.

491
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:04.400
No, that would have been eighty. See, I was at

492
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.839
Central I graduated in eighty eight and I started in

493
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:13.640
eighty five at Central Wash University. So got my teaching

494
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:18.880
degree and then started coaching football and track and teaching history.

495
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:21.839
I was teaching history at Person. Later they switched me

496
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:26.079
over to doing shops, so I did woodshop, metal shop, drafting,

497
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.079
you know, all that stuff. So I loved teaching. Teaching

498
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:32.960
was my thing. I did that for fifteen years. And

499
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.599
I've told people before that I didn't leave teaching because

500
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.880
I didn't like it. I loved teaching. It was. It

501
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.400
was really awesome for me. And those were some of

502
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.200
my most productive years with Sasquatch research too, because of students.

503
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.759
My goodness, I had ears everywhere. You know, You've got

504
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:50.559
I don't know, one hundred and twenty kids that are

505
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.319
seeing your class every day, and you're living in a

506
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.319
place like Morton, Washington, where I was teaching, and the

507
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.000
Sasquatch activity was just all the time. I mean, it

508
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.920
was absolutely phenomenal. Some of the stories that I've got

509
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.799
from from those years when I was teaching, So Morgan

510
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.279
kind of became the Highway twenty twelve corridor kind of

511
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.720
became the research area later. But when I was in

512
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:16.640
the Blue Mountains, it was when we were in college,

513
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.000
and so that would have been from eighty eight to

514
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:24.960
about eighty six. I think eighty six to eighty eighty eight. Yeah,

515
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:26.720
that would be right, because it was December of eighty

516
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.160
eighth that I graduated, so did my student teaching I

517
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:30.839
was done.

518
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:35.599
So just to make sure that I have this correct.

519
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.279
So you were hanging out with Paul Freeman prior to

520
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:41.200
when he recorded.

521
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:41.839
The video in ninety two.

522
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.240
Yes, when that was recorded, I knew right where it was.

523
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:48.400
I know that tree. As a matter of fact, the

524
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:50.640
stump that Earl ripped out of the ground to eat

525
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.480
the bugs underneath it is lane right in front of

526
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.400
that tree it walks by, looks like a Christmas tree.

527
00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:59.960
That's it's right below there. After he ripped it out

528
00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:02.559
of the ground, that somebody cut it up and used

529
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:04.880
it for firewood. Right there, there's kind of a cool

530
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:09.200
little campground just right there where the sasquatch went into

531
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.599
the brush and then picked up the baby. I don't

532
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.319
know if you've talked about that at all or anything else,

533
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.200
but there's definitely a baby there, and nobody knew about

534
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:20.880
that for years. I'm not even sure. Michael Freeman and

535
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:22.799
his book talks about it and then has a picture

536
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.039
of it and what he shows on his little barcodes

537
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:32.440
in his book. Oh my goodness, that was so well done,

538
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.240
and I'm really proud of Michael. Michael was just a

539
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:39.720
little kid though, when I knew his dad, and usually

540
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.240
the first place I would go is I would go

541
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.640
over to West Summerland's house because I always knew I

542
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.160
had to bed there if I needed a place to stay.

543
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:51.240
And the next place that goes over to Paul's. And

544
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:54.119
when I came into town, I would usually call Paul

545
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.559
and he'd come over to West's and so we'd all

546
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.440
be there together and we'd spend time. But they were

547
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.279
kind of my action. Later Vance Orchard would come into

548
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.680
the scene, but that would be a few years later.

549
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:09.079
They would talk of me, but we hadn't met or anything,

550
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:10.519
so that would come later.

551
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.000
So you're saying that before in the late eighties, there

552
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.960
was a time when Paul wasn't able to move around.

553
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.079
He would have you guess certain areas and you would

554
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.759
do it. Okay, okay. At a later time he was

555
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:28.920
able to record the footage. Yeah, yes, okay.

556
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.079
That was much later. Yeah, he walked around with the

557
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.480
cane even then when I was in college back in

558
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.279
the late eighties, and he was pretty much stoved up.

559
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.559
I mean, he knew right where to go. His map

560
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:42.240
on the wall at Cliff Barackman has now down at

561
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.440
his mount Hood museum, and but that was his his map,

562
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.839
and he had that on his wall, took up a

563
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.440
whole wall, and I copied Paul. I went and got

564
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.599
a bunch of USGS maps of areas that I would

565
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.079
be researching, like scucer meadows, and I'd put them on

566
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.160
my wall. And I remember when we bought this house

567
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.839
here in Roseberg, my wife said, you can't put maps

568
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:14.759
on the wall here, honey, I love you.

569
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:17.960
Just one, just one wall.

570
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:25.480
No, So anyway, yeah, no, no, that's true though.

571
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:26.680
Yeah.

572
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.160
Right, so me mullti filed with a map.

573
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:34.000
Okay, so you've got the time when you're hanging out

574
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:36.799
with Freeman, and then after that then you move up

575
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.640
to Morton to become a school teacher, where then to

576
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.440
have the kids bringing you in these accounts all the time.

577
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:48.039
Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean story after story. You know.

578
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.039
I saw where John and Sarah Brown in Highway Highway

579
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.799
twelve quarter, which was really well done, and I know

580
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.119
at least two of those are my my research that

581
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.759
they pulled from that. And then they were talking to

582
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.680
Taylor what's his first name something Taylor, And I guess

583
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:11.079
he's the biggest BFR Scott Taylor, Thank you. He's the

584
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:18.160
biggest BFROX investigator in Washington. He's done more investigations than anybody.

585
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.880
I'd like to meet the guy, but I would like

586
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.640
to compare notes more than anything. Because I got when

587
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:29.079
the Chronicle, which is the newspaper, it's a local newspaper

588
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:34.039
from Centralli and Shahalis did the interview with me. I

589
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:38.599
took my BFRO work because the BFR, when you put

590
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:44.799
an investigative report in, you might get one out of

591
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:50.359
ten that actually goes on the website. So nine of

592
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:54.920
those are setting out there in what's called the flats,

593
00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.640
and the flats are the real the real dot documentation

594
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.039
what's going on in an area, and you don't get that.

595
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.160
You only get like a taste and they'll put more

596
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.159
recent ones up too, and they'll take some of the

597
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.960
older ones off. But then you're kind of losing some

598
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:17.280
of the importance of where you're seeing characteristics repeat themselves

599
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:20.320
over and over, and if you're doing research on that

600
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.679
and you're trying to just you know, learn more about

601
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:27.280
the actual family group that you're that you're researching, you

602
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.559
lose a lot of that because history they just keep repeating.

603
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:33.199
It's just like we do we have family traditions, and

604
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.679
so do they, and so there they have patterns that

605
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.159
you can see in areas that are unique to that group,

606
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.559
even though they're the same with groups all across the

607
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.480
United States and probably around the world that are very similar.

608
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.000
In a family group, they all have little nuances. Some

609
00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.000
family groups hate humans and don't want anything to do

610
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.320
with them. Other ones think it's fun to play games

611
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:04.559
and you know, doing pranks on you. Others like the gift.

612
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.480
They all have different things. Some of them like to sing, apparently,

613
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:10.840
the ones that are down by John and Sarah Browns.

614
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:13.199
I've listened to some of their recordings that they've gotten,

615
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:19.519
and that fascinates me because I've never been around singing sasquatches.

616
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.880
If I did, it would have been when I was

617
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.079
a little boy on South Hill Pewallup, because they had

618
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.639
stuff that sounds like John and Sarah's where it's almost

619
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:31.800
like there's a female singing, and I don't I think

620
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.960
the males probably sing too, But I was just really

621
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.719
fascinated listening to John and Sarah talking about the singing

622
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.679
that they were recording, and then listening to it, I'm going,

623
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.800
you know, that might have been out there in South

624
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.719
Hill Pewallup. We may have had that singing going on too.

625
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:50.800
But each family group point is, each family group is

626
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:54.960
so unique to itself, and generations pass and they're still

627
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.159
doing the same type of things. Then there's another thing

628
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.239
that happens. If you've got a research group and it

629
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.360
seems to be really open and all of a sudden,

630
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:08.159
everything closes down and stops. Typically what's happened is whoever

631
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:12.199
the lead female, the dominant male is, they've passed away.

632
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:17.079
And now the policy changes, and usually it'll be the

633
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.679
policy changes to whether it's going to interact with humans

634
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.079
or not. And for the most part, they really are

635
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.880
scared of us because we do stupid stuff. We get

636
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:31.119
scared and then we shoot and when don't we worry

637
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.480
about asking questions later. We just shoot. But that's the

638
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:39.280
bad thing for him. And so a whole tribe, a

639
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.719
whole family group of Sasquatch can turn on you, and

640
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.559
all of a sudden, your research area is really worthless

641
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.960
because they're not going to interact with you anymore because

642
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.960
someone's passed away in the family and they don't approve

643
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:55.559
of that anymore. So it's kind of like our families,

644
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:56.760
not much different.

645
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:03.880
Yeah, I'm sure I'm gonna hold off on that question

646
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:11.199
for later. So then, so you have this time where

647
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.559
you're a teacher, you're getting reports. Did you get any

648
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:15.599
reports out of Packwood?

649
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:23.400
Yes? Yes, yeah, really good, really good reports out of Packwood.

650
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.840
That's kind of an interesting area because there's multiple rivers

651
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:31.360
that come together in the Packwood area, especially upstream from Packwood.

652
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.760
But man, I've got some that are just astounding. Let

653
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.159
me give you this a real quick example. There are

654
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.280
two teachers from I believe the South Kidsap School district.

655
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:43.840
One of them taught the high school, and I think

656
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.599
it was the husband. He was like a football coach

657
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.800
like I was, and his wife was a middle school teacher,

658
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.280
and so they have a cabin. Their family has a

659
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.440
cabin over over the other side of White Pass. What's

660
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:02.840
the big lake over there before you get to Yakama.

661
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.039
Of course it's Uh. I can't think of the name

662
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:08.840
of the lake. There's a great big lake there. Anyways,

663
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:10.960
there's cabins and stuff and they have a cabin there.

664
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:13.639
So they were on their way to this cabin. They

665
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.280
had two kids, and each of their kids had a

666
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:18.239
friend with them, so there are four kids in the car.

667
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:23.159
It was a mini van. And as they got out

668
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.159
of Packwood, they were talking. They're good excited because they

669
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:27.920
know they're going to go for White Pass. It had

670
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.960
just gotten dark, the sun had just gone down, and

671
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.719
as they're going up the road, there was a sasquat

672
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.199
standing by uh right along the side of the road,

673
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:43.239
and it was about eight feet tall. Black. The headlights

674
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.559
hit it, lit it up, and they went by it

675
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.840
without even slowing down, and the whole car just went silent.

676
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:53.760
When they supped, they were all talking and they were

677
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.719
excited about going to the cabin and they're going to

678
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.239
be a White Pass pretty soon and it's getting dark

679
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.960
and it's just the electricity and the car was phenomenal,

680
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.000
but they all went silent when they saw this thing

681
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.079
standing by the side of the road, lit up by

682
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.000
the headlights, and they went by it about ten feet

683
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.159
away from it, you know, going fifty five miles an hour,

684
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:18.239
and immediately they got maybe fifty yards down the road,

685
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:20.360
they'd got to a stop and they flipped around. But

686
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.320
as they did that, another car went past them, going

687
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.440
the opposite direction, and they looked in the head and

688
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:34.280
its brake lights came on and it slowed down. They

689
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.280
flipped around, got in behind the other car and started

690
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:39.760
going back to see if they could see it again.

691
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:41.960
And they were all looking now on the left side

692
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.079
instead of the right side, but it had crossed the

693
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:47.679
road and it was on the right side now. And

694
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.079
the wife said, I was in a passenger seat, and

695
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.840
if my window was rolled down, it was walking so

696
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:56.639
close to the line on the side of the road

697
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.079
that I could have reached out and slapped its leg

698
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:03.000
as we went by. And when they went by, the

699
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:05.480
kids all said they could see the hair part, the

700
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.159
long hair part as they went by from the car.

701
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.320
And it was only going about thirty miles an hour

702
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.760
at that point. It's going slow, but that's how close

703
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.800
it was. To the road and they all saw it,

704
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.320
all four kids and the two adults. And these are

705
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:25.519
two school teachers. And I won't mention names.

706
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.599
Right right, that's incredible, that is I mean, I've also

707
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:33.800
heard there was an interview on the show where very

708
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.239
similar where gentlemen was just driving through this Packwood area

709
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:41.519
and death there was one right there, right on the

710
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:44.840
side of the roads. Is so crazy, dude, my goodness.

711
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.760
Yeah. Yeah. There's a place up there called Palisades and

712
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:53.039
it's where the rock formations. It's really cool geological place.

713
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.880
But the rock formations go up along this cliff, this

714
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.480
huge cliff. And someone said that they did the rock

715
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:04.039
not rock, but Sylvester Stallone's movie First Blood, when he's

716
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.719
hanging off those palace, that's that's the Palisades. That's right there.

717
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:14.599
After we get about Packwood and anyways, that area, there

718
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.599
was a guy from Washington State Universe who's coming home

719
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.960
from college. It was, you know, December. He's off for

720
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.079
school and he's going back I believe to Seattle. Maybe

721
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:24.400
he was going to tom I know he was going

722
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.119
somewhere in the Pewtetownd area and that's where home was.

723
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:31.559
And as he comes around the corner. This is up

724
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:37.400
by palisades. He sees a bear squatting in the middle

725
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.199
of the road, and it's it looks really funny the

726
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.480
way it said. He's never seen a bear look like

727
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.480
that before, and he's seen lots of bears, he said,

728
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:50.119
and he's a hunter. Anyways. The thing is, he got

729
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.159
he's slowed down because he wanted to really look at

730
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.920
the bear. I mean, it's like two o'clock in the morning,

731
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.119
there's nobody on the road. There's nobody there, and it's

732
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:01.320
like December, and the thing stand up on two legs,

733
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.800
turns and looks at him, and it's in the headlights,

734
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.880
so he's getting a good look at it again. This

735
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:14.119
is right a palisades, just above Packwood, and he he

736
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:18.039
slowed down to almost a stop, and the thing finally turned,

737
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.320
took one step and then another step over the guardrail

738
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.440
and went down over the hill where the embankment is

739
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:31.039
going down into that river down below. And he backed

740
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.719
up to the spot where it was because he thought

741
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.880
he saw something. And he looked and it had peeded

742
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:40.320
in the middle of the road, and the pea was

743
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.840
running down the road towards the side, you know, because

744
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.440
the road slopes on those high high speed corners of

745
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.400
the stuff, there's a slope to it, and the pea

746
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.719
is running down in streams like a little river. And

747
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.599
it was like a confirmation. I did just see that.

748
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.599
I did, And he thought it it's funny that it

749
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.960
was squatting. He was always wondering if it was a female,

750
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.679
but there was no indication it was a female. It

751
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.639
didn't look like it had breasts or had any shape

752
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.920
to it. When I talked to him. He was talking

753
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.559
to him on the phone, and you could tell his

754
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:19.559
voice was quavering. The fear was coming back what he

755
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:23.480
had experienced that night, and that almost a terror, and

756
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:27.280
it was in his voice. You could hear it. I says,

757
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.320
you sound shook up, and he says, yeah, I'm reliving it.

758
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:36.280
So yeah, things like that. You watch people's are you

759
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.000
listen to the way they're talking, and you can hear

760
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.719
a heightened sense of urgency all of a sudden, as

761
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.039
it all comes rushing back to him and they're remembering

762
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.960
that night. In nights, the smells everything that that was

763
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.360
involved in that, and sometimes they come to tears. As

764
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:56.280
you're doing investigative work and talking with people it's pretty interesting.

765
00:43:56.719 --> 00:43:58.239
It can be quite like changing.

766
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:01.639
It really can be. In especially when you're able to

767
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:04.360
talk to that person face to face and they're right

768
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.199
in front of you. It can get very intense very quickly.

769
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:14.199
I remember that from my first year at Oakridge. So

770
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:19.000
then after that is that when you start getting involved

771
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.599
with the bf R O. Then after that period.

772
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:26.000
Yeah, it was. Boy, there was a lot that happened

773
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.119
when I got into the BFRO that was, like I say,

774
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.639
it's a it's a mini chapter in the right chapter.

775
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:36.000
But it was at that time I'd been involved with

776
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.960
just a lot of people and not really an organization.

777
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.480
I didn't want to necessarily be attached to anything. I

778
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.599
had a guy who was a weather man up in

779
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.000
Seattle and his name was Bevitocaranta. I don't know what

780
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:50.400
happened to him. I tried to find him, but I

781
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.679
can't find him. He had a buddy named Steve Hack

782
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.280
who saw a sasquatch over in the Potholes Reservoir in Washington,

783
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:58.559
out in the middle of the desert, walking along the

784
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.559
ridge line as he was fish as he was crappie

785
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:05.480
fishing out on Pottles Reservoir, and he was with several people,

786
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.639
so all three of them saw it, and you know,

787
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.559
you could see they had shorter legs, long body, long

788
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:14.400
arms down to the knees walking along this ridge. It

789
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.719
walked like a human, but it didn't walk like a human.

790
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:20.519
And at that point he got involved in this. His

791
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.800
name was Steve Hack, and so veto and Steve kind

792
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.519
of joined me, and they kind of kept me tied

793
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.280
in because at that time I was involved with school

794
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:34.440
at the university, and so we at that point we

795
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.320
went more universal. I mean, we would go down and

796
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.559
we investigate stuff down by Mount Hood, we'd be up

797
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:44.559
by Steven's Pass, we'd go up to the Mount Baker area.

798
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.800
There were just other places that I took them because

799
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.480
I was aware of what had happened up at Scenic

800
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:54.960
multiple times with my cousin who lived up there with

801
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:59.159
her family and raised four kids up there at Scenek

802
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.440
her her husban and worked on the was it the

803
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:07.159
Pacific the Great Northern Railway anyways, the big tunnel that

804
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.800
goes through Steven's Pass goes underneath the rocks and pops

805
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:14.400
out the other side, and the ski resorts up on top. Anyways,

806
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.800
they lived right there at scenic and they had sasquatch.

807
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.079
Stuff happened all the time today, So I took them

808
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.199
up there. I took Steve and Vido up there and

809
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.639
showed him this area. Well after that they would make

810
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.400
return trips up there. And just shortly after that, there

811
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.960
was a guy that was camped out in his I

812
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.400
think it was a station wagon, and he had he

813
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.079
had the tailgate of the station wagon down the old

814
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.719
station wagons, and he had his sleeping bag and he

815
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:42.639
was sleeping back there and he had his feet out

816
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.719
towards the out and then his head was inside in

817
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:47.880
case it rained. You know, if your speed get wet,

818
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.360
no big deal. But he's sleeping in his car, and

819
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:54.800
a sasquatch grabbed him by the feet in his sleeping

820
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.599
bag and rip him out of the station wagon and

821
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:59.320
drug him across.

822
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:03.360
The dirt this camp area, and then left him there

823
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:08.559
and just started jabbering, I'm doing that right, chatter as

824
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:09.440
it's walking away.

825
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:10.960
It's like, okay, now you get out of here.

826
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:15.000
Wow, that's really not funny, But in a way kind

827
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:16.679
of is because I get I laugh when.

828
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:19.960
I'm neus, But my goodness, that's wild.

829
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.000
I know. So Vito and Steve, they started they started

830
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.159
cruising up there a lot more without me once I

831
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.039
showed him that area.

832
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:31.840
So did you get to talk to that guy?

833
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.800
Sorry, no, I didn't. That was just a report that

834
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:40.760
came through and that might have been you know that

835
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:43.400
that was all pre b f R. So I'm not

836
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.880
sure how I got that information, but it was fascinating.

837
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.159
I don't think I got it. I think Steve and

838
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.599
Vito got it. And I had just showed him the

839
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.360
the area of the scenic area, and how my cousin's

840
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.519
stories about sasquatches when maybe out picking huckleberries, and and

841
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.719
they'd be right in the patch with them, the sasquatch

842
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:03.800
would be on the other side picking berries, and they'd

843
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:06.400
be on one side all the kids, and Mom would

844
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:10.039
just okay, I want everyone just to slowly pick berries,

845
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.400
and let's back out of this patch. It doesn't belong

846
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:17.960
to us, it belongs to this thing. And all the

847
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:21.400
kids would do it, Mom said, And I think that

848
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:25.039
they had some interesting things to my one of my cousins,

849
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.639
she's just really fascinating with the whole sasquatch thing, and

850
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.360
she'll call me and talk to me about it every

851
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.199
once in a while and her husband just puts up

852
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.880
with their kind of like my wife does me. She

853
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:41.039
grew up there on the up in the scenic area

854
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:46.199
by Steven's Past, okay, and so she was pretty much

855
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.519
into it like her mom was a But all the

856
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:50.800
brothers and stuff, I don't think they could really care less.

857
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.880
And again I grew up I was all about Bigfoot.

858
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.880
My dad was too, And so we'd sit there and

859
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:59.559
listen to Judy tell all the stories about what had happened.

860
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.159
Other things too, like running a bear off or porch

861
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:07.239
and electrifying the garbage can to get the bear to

862
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:11.559
leave it alone. That worked anyways. Just living out in

863
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.840
the mountains, I mean, if you're living it, you know,

864
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.280
three thousand and thirty five hundred feet elevation, and you

865
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:21.880
got a railroad going by all the time and sasquatches around,

866
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:26.199
you're not to mention bears. It's pretty pretty interesting for stories,

867
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:28.519
just regular life stories.

868
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:33.800
I learned that after I left Oakridge and start driving

869
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:38.719
around how high the cascades really are. You're not up

870
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:42.280
in them when you're in Oakridge, but when you start

871
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:46.480
crossing the cascades, it's a whole different ball game.

872
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:52.320
Yeah, it passes forty five hundred feet and five thousand

873
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.400
feet some of them. I know it's close to six

874
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:59.400
thousand down by Diamond Lake and Crater Lake and doesn't

875
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.239
look like that. And you know, now that's kind of

876
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:07.320
where I have focused my attention. Had we had I

877
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:11.360
got to reconnect again with Jeff Meldrum and at the

878
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:15.360
Glide Sasquatch Festival, and I had been let's see, this

879
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:17.559
is my fourth year I attended that. I was there

880
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.800
for the very first one. I was the only one

881
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:23.159
that got there, and I had clap plaster cast, I

882
00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:26.719
had Sasquatch stuff, and it wasn't really about Sasquatch. They

883
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.000
were just using that to raise money for the fire victims,

884
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.079
right and the people there, So they continued to do that.

885
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:34.920
That's what it's. That's where the money goes. But I

886
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:37.840
was the only one there, and so I come in

887
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:43.119
with my six suitcases of casts because before this I

888
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.840
used to go It's I don't even know how it started,

889
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:50.079
but I started doing universities and it started out I

890
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:55.760
lectured in front of the whole anthropology department over at

891
00:50:55.880 --> 00:51:00.679
Eastern Washington University. But Central I started. Maybe it's central

892
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:02.840
right where I was going to school, because I know

893
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.400
I did several of them there where I would do

894
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.679
the you know the halls, they would have a hall

895
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.679
and then they would advertise me. I would say, that's

896
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.960
the only thing. I don't want any pay. I'm not

897
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.079
doing this for money, but I am doing this for reports,

898
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.719
and I would like to get as many reports as

899
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:20.360
I can while i'm here. So I want you to advertise,

900
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.159
and I want you to take out an advertisement and

901
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:25.599
be running that advertisement for at least a month before

902
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:28.840
I give my presentation. I want people coming in from outside.

903
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.800
And they were always standing room only. I mean it

904
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.800
was just packed and people would come in because people

905
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.840
have seen these things and just looking at the advertisement,

906
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:41.320
they would think, you know, maybe this is where I

907
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:44.039
can get this off my chest. And they would come

908
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:51.760
in and they were it's almost like a confession, but yeah.

909
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.039
And so they would come in and I would get

910
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:56.480
all these reports. And that was really good with Vito

911
00:51:56.559 --> 00:51:59.239
and Steve because they could follow up a lot more

912
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.000
effectively than I could. Have more time free time that

913
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.320
they could do that. But with three of us going

914
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.239
at it, you know, Steve would take one and I

915
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.159
would take one, and veto would take one and then

916
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.119
we'd we'd go and we talked to him, call him

917
00:52:12.159 --> 00:52:14.199
on the phone, get information, go out and meet him

918
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:17.000
at the spot, and so there was always something going on.

919
00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:19.800
We were pretty active at that time. This was all

920
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:24.119
before the VFRO. Then I'm trying to remember when Russ's

921
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.039
or when ray Crow's Bigfoot conference in Hillsborough was. He

922
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.360
probably had several of them there. I only went to one,

923
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:37.239
but that was where I met Bob Titmas and at

924
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:42.599
that meeting, Rick Noll and Tom Powell and Jeff Lentley

925
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:48.320
would recommend me to Matt Moneymaker to become an investigator

926
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.000
with the BFROS. So I'm thinking it was ninety nine

927
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.119
that took place. But as they were cleaning up and

928
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.679
people were picking up chairs and picking up tables, I

929
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:04.039
sat right there it Ron mooreheads booth, and he and

930
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.199
I talked for two hours. He was a Christian, I'm

931
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:09.320
a Christian, and we're talking about Jesus Christ, but we're

932
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.440
talking about sasquatch also and what he felt they were.

933
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:18.320
And at that point I was very very strong, this

934
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.280
is gonna be maybe one of your questions. I was

935
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:25.119
very strong into the gigantopithecus. I believe this was a

936
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:31.119
biological hair leaves, you know, scat. You can hear them.

937
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:34.599
The evidence is obvious that this is a physical being.

938
00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.280
There's I still believe that today this is a physical

939
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:41.280
being we're dealing with. But he was telling me about

940
00:53:41.360 --> 00:53:45.440
you know, Genesis chapter six, verse four. But actually Genesis

941
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.320
chapter six all the way through about eight it talks

942
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:54.840
about this inner coupling of fallen angels with human women

943
00:53:55.599 --> 00:54:00.400
and producing an offspring called the Nephelin. And its kind

944
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:04.280
of interesting today. I pulled up the Passion translation just

945
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.320
wanted to see what it said about it. And it's

946
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:11.320
interesting because in verse two it says, I'm reading right

947
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.880
from the Passion. Divine beings found them very appealing talking

948
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.239
about the women, the daughters of men, and so they

949
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:23.360
took the women they wanted as their wives. And Ya

950
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:26.760
always said, my spirit will not strive with humanity, and

951
00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.800
definitely for their mortal and the lifespan shall be shortened

952
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.199
to one hundred and twenty years. Back then and later

953
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.280
there were giants on the earth who were born as

954
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:42.880
a result of this unholy union of heavenly beings with

955
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.679
human daughters. And they were the mighty ones of old,

956
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:53.000
the warriors of renowned, And that's actually that's verse four

957
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:55.719
where it talks about that, and then they talk about

958
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:58.400
how mankind was evil all the time, and so God

959
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:02.320
brought the flood. The point is is that that was

960
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.800
Ron's position, and he was trying to explain to me

961
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.000
and convince me. And then he talked about the Anakin

962
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:10.559
and he started going down the list of all these

963
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:16.000
different names that the Nephylin went by afterwards, because you know,

964
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:20.039
Goliath and David, that whole story that was he was

965
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:22.800
part of the Anik family, and the Anek were part

966
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:26.519
of the Nephilin. They were the sentence of the nephilin anikwork.

967
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:29.679
And then there was the Edomites and they were giants,

968
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.480
and the Edomites were actually referred to as harry beans.

969
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:38.000
And then if you read in the Book of Enoch,

970
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.679
there we go, right. So the Book of Knock has

971
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.280
quite a bit of reference to it as well. Also,

972
00:55:44.400 --> 00:55:47.800
Arba was the father at Kyria, and he was the

973
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:52.039
greatest amongst the Anakites, and it was said that he

974
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.400
was as tall as eighteen feet according to the Book

975
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:01.079
of Enoch, eighteen feet tall. That's that's it's amazing. I mean,

976
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.400
Goliath was like nine feet tall, so to have this

977
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:11.280
arba of the Anakites being eighteen feet tall, that's just scary.

978
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.960
Take how big man's hands would have been. But anyway,

979
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.039
so that's the biblical account. And Ron was really trying

980
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:21.880
to convince me that's what it was. And I just

981
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.559
I left there just shaking my head, saying he's deceived.

982
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:29.639
It's definitely a gigantapithe because it's you know, it's a

983
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:33.960
big ape and out there in the woods. And I

984
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.639
have since changed my mind. I came to the realization

985
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:39.880
when because one of the things that he had talked

986
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:43.320
about was that the day's going to come with this DNA.

987
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:44.880
He said, that's where it's going to be. It's going

988
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.599
to be in this DNA. And when they discover this,

989
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:50.800
they're going to find out that they've got a hybrid

990
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:56.920
that's part human in part fallen angel. And they don't

991
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:03.880
say that. They say that the nuclear DNA is actually no,

992
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.880
they don't know what it is. It's higher than anything

993
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.159
they've ever seen. There's nothing on Earth that compares to it.

994
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:13.119
It is totally unique. But the mitochondrial DNA that comes

995
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:18.039
from the female is one hundred percent human. So now

996
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:22.599
what Ron had told me was not only true, but

997
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.639
it's being repeated scientifically, which is important for the scientific method.

998
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:29.639
You have to have a hypothesis. Then your hypothesis has

999
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:33.039
to be able to be tested again and again, and

1000
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:35.159
you should be able to repeat the test. It shouldn't

1001
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:38.159
be a one time thing. And that's what they're finding

1002
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:41.800
is the more DNA samples that have been tested, you know,

1003
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:46.079
by the Olympic Project and those guys over there, Derek

1004
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:51.280
Randalls and his group than Melba Ketchum, and there's there's

1005
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.719
other geneticists that have been involved in that had an

1006
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:59.039
interesting discussion. I probably shouldn't with the geneticis I'll just

1007
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:04.000
say that. And his his comments were about Melba, that

1008
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:09.039
she created a lot of enemies and that she never

1009
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.920
had before before, that she was a renowned geneticist, but

1010
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.639
then when she started to get involved in the the

1011
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.800
bigfoot stuff, it turned on her. But the problem was

1012
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.480
she didn't even know she was getting involved with the

1013
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.159
bigfoot stuff. They kind of tricked her into that, but

1014
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.519
hers came back being it was one hundred percent mitochondrial

1015
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:30.760
human and that the nuclear DNA was from something they've

1016
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.880
never seen before. It's off the charts. And the sequencing

1017
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:40.679
that they did in the DNA sequencing was astounded. When

1018
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:43.920
when I talked about getting in with the BFROL, that

1019
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:47.000
was that was good because they got me organized. That

1020
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:50.599
was where I really started taking what Steve and Vito

1021
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.320
and I had put together and doing our reports, and

1022
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:56.480
they did it cleaner and better. The only problem I

1023
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.559
had with it is my reports. The majority of went

1024
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:04.039
into the flats for Lewis County, in King County, in

1025
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:08.119
Pierce County, and these counties that I that I grew

1026
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:10.559
up in in South Hill, pew Wall Up. I mean

1027
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:14.320
I continued to have my fingers dabbled out down there too,

1028
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.639
or up there, I should say. But I lived in

1029
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:21.239
Massi Rock for fourteen years and I taught schooled in Morton,

1030
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:26.320
and we had lots of Sasquatch activy happening around there

1031
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.679
all the time. So when the Browns came out with

1032
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.679
John and Sarah Brown came out with their Highway twelveth thing,

1033
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:35.119
I was so excited because I knew exactly some of

1034
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.000
the places where they were talking about. One of the

1035
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:41.039
couples that lived in a trailer I know right where

1036
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:44.760
that junction is. I packed parked my car there and

1037
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.920
then walked up the road where there's a gate and

1038
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:52.239
I shot a really nice three by three mule there,

1039
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.559
or not mule there. It was a blacktail right up

1040
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:58.679
that road. But I've hunted in that area. I know it.

1041
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.719
I know where the the duck ponds are there. And

1042
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:05.079
Morton there's a little pond right up by the turn

1043
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:07.800
off where you go up to the backside of Peterman Hill,

1044
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.760
and that's there's that pond down in there has had

1045
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:16.000
all kinds of sasquatch activity because they'll they plant trout

1046
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.800
in there, so people will get in, go down fish

1047
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:24.079
around this pond, excuse me, and it's probably about I

1048
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:29.039
wanted to say, it might be two or three acres

1049
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.920
of water as far as surface water would go. And

1050
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:35.400
so it's always it's always good or actually plant it.

1051
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:40.239
But people been run out of there by sasquatch. And

1052
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.239
you know, it's like getting in to the evening or

1053
01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:45.760
its first thing in the morning and they end up

1054
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:48.480
not fishing there because something didn't want them to, throwing

1055
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:50.880
rocks at him and sticks at him and screaming at him.

1056
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:54.920
And you know, the roaring scream, that roaring scream that

1057
01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:55.639
they give off.

1058
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:58.039
Oh my gosh, it's crazy.

1059
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.519
Oh it just it's wards.

1060
01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:06.400
You it does. Yeah, I've heard it. Yeah, yep. I

1061
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:07.280
was passed out.

1062
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:11.440
It's like a dinosaur. I've heard people describe it that one. Yeah,

1063
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:17.480
that's pretty good. Scratch a dinosaur and uh wow. Yeah.

1064
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:19.599
So anyways, they would run them out of that little

1065
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:23.320
pond right there on Peterman Hill and people that are

1066
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.199
from the Morton Mossy Rock area.

1067
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.079
There's there's something I want to backtrack a little bit

1068
01:01:28.119 --> 01:01:32.159
to just to clarify. So when we were talking about

1069
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:36.920
the DNA studies and so the results of the Ketchum study,

1070
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.599
are you also saying that other people got that same

1071
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.599
result as well from their studies or that was just

1072
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.400
from No.

1073
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.639
That's developing now, that's going on now, And that's that's

1074
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:50.440
what I found out.

1075
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:51.639
Oh my goodness.

1076
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:55.679
Really that's that's Yeah, there's there's more going on. I mean,

1077
01:01:55.719 --> 01:02:00.639
there's people who are afraid to go where others have

1078
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:05.039
gone before them to be ostracized, can run out of

1079
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:07.079
the community of the geneticist.

1080
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.159
There's no way this is public Like, this is not

1081
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:13.679
this can't be publican but this would be way bigger, right.

1082
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:19.039
Oh, it's huge. It basically seals the deal. The Sasquatch

1083
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:23.800
is real. It's over if they would just accept the results.

1084
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.800
And that's one of the things is if people who

1085
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:30.400
are like double checking what Melbourn did and they're running

1086
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:34.280
their own testing and running their own sequencing, they're finding

1087
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.239
the same thing. And then there's been other labs that

1088
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.360
have found the same thing, and they're going, well, our

1089
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:46.440
sample was spoiled. It had human DNA in it. Well, yeah,

1090
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:50.559
they don't. They haven't studied Melbourne work. Because the mitochondrial

1091
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:53.760
DNA is one hundred percent human. The nuclear DNA is

1092
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:57.840
something we don't know what it is, but spoiled because

1093
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:01.519
human interaction has caused that ample to be spoiled. It's

1094
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:06.280
human tissue that they're they're registry. Well that's what they should.

1095
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:07.760
So is this.

1096
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:12.119
Is this just stuff you've heard or you've actually read

1097
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:16.000
this somewhere? Who the who the other people are are

1098
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:18.519
getting these same results.

1099
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:23.559
I've gotten it from multiple sources. I think that the

1100
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:28.480
biggest one is the guy who's passed away a cancer.

1101
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:34.599
Steve talks about him all the time. To Carpenter, Scott

1102
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:40.000
carpenter who just passed away, and he's he you can

1103
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:43.400
actually get his stuff still. His son is still running

1104
01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:47.719
his Website's his stuff. Yeah, he looks like him. My goodness,

1105
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:53.400
sounds like tell that's the son. But anyways, Uh, he

1106
01:03:53.559 --> 01:03:56.800
really broke it down the best I've ever heard it

1107
01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:00.800
to understand it. I've also heard Todd Standing talk about it.

1108
01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:04.920
I've heard other people including I talked to Jeff Mildram

1109
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.880
about it in pretty good detail. We had our booths

1110
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:11.039
right next to each other two years ago up at

1111
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:14.239
Glyde and saw her was asking him a lot of

1112
01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:18.360
questions about that, because he does genetic sequencing as well,

1113
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:22.000
he's very aware of how that all works. And he

1114
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:24.199
said that a lot of it was because she was

1115
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:29.199
self publishing. People are using herself publishing as a reason

1116
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:32.760
to see They never complained about herself publishing before. It

1117
01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:36.119
was only after the sasquatch samples came out. Now all

1118
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:39.039
of a sudden that that's illegal. You can't do that.

1119
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:41.559
You got to have other people publish for you, and

1120
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.360
you can't do it yourself. But she's been doing it

1121
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:49.679
for years and it was always accepted, and so you know,

1122
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:54.480
she she is was a well well known geneticist, and

1123
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:58.960
she basically has been thrown under the table, thrown under

1124
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.639
the bus, whatever you want to call it, because of

1125
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:06.960
her stance on this. And so yeah, it's too bad.

1126
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:11.760
But at the same time, it's gonna come out and

1127
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.679
there'll be more people, there'll be more studies. But part

1128
01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:16.920
of the problem and I really feel this is true.

1129
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:20.199
This might answer another question you probably have. I really

1130
01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.840
feel it's economic more than anything. The reason the sasquatch

1131
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:28.679
has not been declared a species and the government's hiding

1132
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:34.280
it because it would destroy vast portions of economies around

1133
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:38.920
the United States and in Canada, the logging industry, the

1134
01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:42.840
mining industry. There would be that they would shut down

1135
01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:46.679
the forest because of it. And the last thing they

1136
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:51.079
need is more hindrance of the government trying to protect

1137
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:54.840
you know, a spotted hour or a little darter fish.

1138
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.400
And now you put the sasquatch in there, something that

1139
01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:03.760
may be part humid the hybred, and I just see

1140
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:06.360
the government wanting to cover it all up. Talk about

1141
01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:10.079
it now, there's nothing to see here, just keep walking.

1142
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:13.840
But yet there's tons to see and the evidence is

1143
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:19.119
so overwhelming. But at the same time, you know, it

1144
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:23.280
would just it would just tear our economy apart and

1145
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.440
the whole town's and would have to close up because

1146
01:06:26.960 --> 01:06:29.480
you know, you rely on the log industry or the

1147
01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:33.960
mining industry or whatever it happens to be. And the

1148
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:38.440
Pacific Northwest is riddled with resources, amazing resources that we

1149
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:42.400
have accessible. But once the Bigfoot is cataloged as a

1150
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:46.880
as a creature that's real, the protection for them will

1151
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.960
be the next step, and then that's where the economy

1152
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:51.559
gets destroyed. You can't let that out.

1153
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:56.159
When you were in the BFRO, Is there an event

1154
01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:59.280
that you were involved with that really sticks out that

1155
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:03.280
you're like, I can't believe that I was involved with

1156
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:04.880
that event in history.

1157
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:11.159
Yeah, I think that. My family and I doing our

1158
01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:17.199
annual late July going into August Huckleberry and Sasquatching. One

1159
01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:19.760
of the year after it would have been I think

1160
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:23.519
it was two thousand and twenty two, two thousand and one,

1161
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:26.400
we were there and they did that was when they

1162
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:31.719
had started the filming on Sasquatch Science Meets Legend, and

1163
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:35.639
I was involved with the whole crew there and behind

1164
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.079
the scene my kids. It'd be in the truck with

1165
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:40.400
me and they'd fall asleep because it's like two o'clock

1166
01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:44.000
in the morning. We're call blasting and doing night walks

1167
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.880
and they're sleeping in the truck. But they lived through

1168
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:51.159
all of that. But yeah, that was that was It

1169
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.840
was the year after the Scoo Combe cast, which they

1170
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:56.639
poured that scookom cast in two thousand and so the

1171
01:07:56.760 --> 01:08:01.719
site we were right on site and filming. I was

1172
01:08:01.760 --> 01:08:03.840
in the background. I was part of that, and we

1173
01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:08.480
had a balloon, a large balloon that was tethered at

1174
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:12.119
one of the camps and that we could raise it

1175
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:17.359
way up with you know, with infrared and night vision

1176
01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:19.279
stuff on it, so they could and they would pan

1177
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:22.159
the area. But the Sasquat seemed to know what we

1178
01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.920
were doing and they stayed out of reach. However, we

1179
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.399
had lots of whoops during that time when we were

1180
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:32.720
doing filming that We had tons of people coming up

1181
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:36.399
and giving us stories after story. Campers were coming up

1182
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:40.000
there and you know where we were camped and where

1183
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:42.479
they set up their camp. I was actually over at

1184
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:46.239
the Lake Placid trailhead my family and I and we

1185
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:48.000
would just come over and join them during the day

1186
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.920
and then the night I would go join them and

1187
01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:52.119
the rest of the camp. Most of my family would

1188
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:54.159
be sleeping, except maybe one or two boys. I want

1189
01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:56.079
to go to Dad, and of course they'd fall asleep

1190
01:08:56.119 --> 01:08:58.960
in the back of my pickup truck, but that was fine.

1191
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:03.479
But anyways, during that time, that area is called the

1192
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:07.039
Crazy Hills. You got Scuoka Meadows right there, and then

1193
01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.359
you've got the Crazy Hills just below it. It's actually

1194
01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:13.279
above it, and that's where we were lifting that balloon up.

1195
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.239
And it was interesting the first time I drove in

1196
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:21.079
there with the BFRO and this was before we this

1197
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:24.000
would have been snow was just coming off those high

1198
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:28.239
hills around Crazy Hills, and we couldn't get all the

1199
01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:30.960
way in, but we got most of the way in.

1200
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:32.640
At least we made it to the creek. There were

1201
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:36.439
scook of meadows drains out of the meadow itself, and

1202
01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:39.159
that's as far as we could get with the snow still.

1203
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:43.359
But the first time I went in there, here's this camp,

1204
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:49.159
this beautiful expensive dome tent, and there was all this

1205
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:52.720
camping equipment that was just stung all over in this

1206
01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:58.239
camp area. And someone left all their stuff never came

1207
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:00.319
back for it, which is a story you hear lot

1208
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:04.800
and it was in the Crazy Hills, and those campers

1209
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:07.680
were gone and left all that expensive equipment looked to

1210
01:10:07.720 --> 01:10:10.279
me like it was new. And then over the next

1211
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.479
couple of years it all kind of stayed there and

1212
01:10:12.520 --> 01:10:15.840
the grass grew up around it. And you know the

1213
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:19.119
tent that was brand new when I first saw it,

1214
01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:23.079
it was faded and things were getting torn and the animals,

1215
01:10:23.119 --> 01:10:25.800
I guess were chewing on it and so forth. But

1216
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:29.359
all this equipment was left behind. They're in the Crazy Hill.

1217
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:32.800
Something ran them out, and it was obvious they never

1218
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:36.800
came back for it. That was right where we were

1219
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:41.640
doing all that that stuff for Sasquatch science meets legend. Wow.

1220
01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:45.000
And that was when I got to meet a lot

1221
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:46.640
of people. When I joined the b f R, I

1222
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.680
got I got to spend time with Derrek Randalls up

1223
01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:53.760
on the mountain camping and Jeff Linley Tom Powell. These

1224
01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:57.800
guys were kind of the Bigfoot people. Rick no man,

1225
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:00.920
he he was awesome and I learned a ton from him.

1226
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.359
The other one was doctor Leroy Fish out of Oregon

1227
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:08.760
State University, and he was really into the Sasquatch stuff too,

1228
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:13.239
and so enjoyed that meeting Doug hihcheck Autumn Williams. That

1229
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:15.399
was all part of that BFR thing that we were

1230
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:19.359
doing at the time. I found two beds. One I

1231
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.399
didn't find. I didn't find any of them. I had

1232
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:23.800
people point them out to me, saying, hey, you need

1233
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:25.520
to go up here, there's a there's a bed there,

1234
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:27.159
And so I would go check them out, and sure

1235
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:30.920
enough there was a bed. When one of my football

1236
01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:35.239
players found a bed up above Mossy Rock, overlooking Mossy Rock,

1237
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:37.680
he went in the backside by Morton, but now you

1238
01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:39.840
can go in the front side because they've opened They've

1239
01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:42.760
opened the gate that used to be locked. But there

1240
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:47.439
was a huge bed. I was. I was astounded. And

1241
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:51.319
one of my football players told me about this. He

1242
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.079
didn't give me much detail. He just said, hey, we

1243
01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:56.840
were up scouting for deer and we found a bed

1244
01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:59.479
and this is how you get in there. And he

1245
01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.399
drew a quick back before me, handed me the paper

1246
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.720
and left. I didn't know much more, so I went.

1247
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:08.199
I followed his directions and went right to the spot.

1248
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.880
It's this giant cliff, probably one hundred and twenty foot

1249
01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:16.520
drop rock face and up in the woods above it,

1250
01:12:16.520 --> 01:12:21.800
it's on a steep hillside and they're trees that are Oh,

1251
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:24.920
they weren't reprod. These were some good sized trees. They

1252
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:29.079
were probably, you know, twenty four inches eighteen inches through,

1253
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:34.479
and they had woven a bed on this steep hillside,

1254
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:38.800
making that spot level. And it was probably twelve by

1255
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:43.319
eight feet that they had made this thing. People asked me,

1256
01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.119
was their hair in it? I looked at it really close,

1257
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:48.800
and I couldn't find any hair. To me, it looked

1258
01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:52.279
like they had made it and hadn't slept in it yet.

1259
01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:56.720
In other words, they got caught making the bed. And

1260
01:12:56.920 --> 01:12:59.880
when I saw this thing, I'm going, WHOA. I didn't

1261
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.600
have a camera, we didn't have phones that worked like

1262
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:07.840
that then, and I went back and got my camera.

1263
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:12.199
We went back up the next day and it was gone.

1264
01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:15.039
The remains of it. You could seem way a blow

1265
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:17.479
one hundred and twenty feet down there was a pile

1266
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:22.359
of sticks and brush and furboughs. Yeah, they had pushed

1267
01:13:22.399 --> 01:13:25.279
it off. They had to first of all unweave it

1268
01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:27.840
from the trees that were there, and then push it

1269
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:30.319
all off. They probably did it really fast because there's

1270
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:32.359
some big you know, they it's not that big of

1271
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:34.079
a deal for them, But for me, it would have

1272
01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:36.640
taken me probably an hour or two to get that

1273
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:38.479
thing chewed up. And I would have wanted a buck

1274
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:40.119
saw in a couple of things, because they were really

1275
01:13:40.159 --> 01:13:46.199
locked together, it was woven. And yeah, that was I

1276
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:51.720
was in the BFR at that time too, and so yeah,

1277
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:53.560
that bed. And then the other one that I saw

1278
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.520
was the one that was at Bear. This is back

1279
01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:58.479
in the Blue Mountains again, right, and it was in

1280
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:00.600
the watershed. You're not supposed to be in the right,

1281
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:03.119
at the top of the hill, and so it was

1282
01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:05.760
the high point right where the intake trail is where

1283
01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:08.600
they rode the horses to make sure people weren't going

1284
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:10.800
in and out of the watershed. And just down on

1285
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:14.560
the tree line below the ridge top was this well

1286
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:17.720
constructed bed. It had been there were pieces of it

1287
01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.079
still that were constructed. The rest of it had been

1288
01:14:20.079 --> 01:14:23.920
taken apart. And they did find hair in that, and

1289
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:26.640
Grover Krantz and his team with Greg May and the

1290
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.439
rest of them took most of the stuff back to

1291
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:33.079
the university, back to Washington State University for further study.

1292
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.039
But I never did hear what the results of that were.

1293
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:38.239
It just that the bed was, that it was a bed,

1294
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:41.279
and that it was legitimate. But I can see how

1295
01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.600
they constructed it. When I saw the other one in Washington,

1296
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:49.680
up above Morton and Mossy Rock, it was the same

1297
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:52.039
kind of structure. It was they had done the same thing.

1298
01:14:52.079 --> 01:14:56.039
They were weaving this thing together, and it was it

1299
01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:58.359
was interesting because it would take hands to do that.

1300
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.159
You would have to have the extery of a hand

1301
01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:04.760
to be able to form that kind of a structure.

1302
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:05.640
It's interesting.

1303
01:15:06.880 --> 01:15:08.800
Yeah, I nest It's just wild.

1304
01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:12.560
It's it's wild how in this subject history kind of

1305
01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:17.239
repeats and people forget stuff that has happened before, and

1306
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:19.359
then oh, look what these guys felt. Well it's kind

1307
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:22.119
of been found before in that sort of hold. Yeah,

1308
01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:24.319
it's very very interesting. It's worth it.

1309
01:15:24.279 --> 01:15:29.560
To Yeah, yeah, but it's there. It's been going on

1310
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:30.640
for years.

1311
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:34.840
So I want to get back to the nephylum thing

1312
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:40.520
for a minute. So I'm going to go down the

1313
01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:49.079
road with you for a bit. Okay, So how does it?

1314
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:53.239
So let's say, if these are nephilim, and so we're

1315
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:57.840
saying nephilim are not good, they are very dangerous.

1316
01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:02.479
Correct, Now you're getting into something.

1317
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:05.520
Okay, yeah, well I haven't even to stopped the question yet,

1318
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:07.600
so I know, but I know.

1319
01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:10.359
We're so then go ahead.

1320
01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:16.840
So it's like, so, why then are we going, uh,

1321
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:20.119
why are we trying to figure out? It seems like

1322
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:25.359
a very dangerous proposition both to us, to humans physically

1323
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:26.359
and spiritually.

1324
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:33.640
Yeah, yeah, it can be. Okay, I when I when

1325
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:45.479
I look at yeah this, you're dealing in the spirit realm,

1326
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.199
but you're also being dealing in the human realm. And

1327
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:52.199
that's the part humans have a hard time with because

1328
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:56.760
we try to separate the spirit from the flesh, but

1329
01:16:56.840 --> 01:17:01.039
they're both, and the Native American believe it that way.

1330
01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:08.439
And if you're a Jew, the cultural Jews, the the

1331
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:11.880
Jews see it as the spirit and the body are not.

1332
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:15.479
You can't separate them out. We in the Western world

1333
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:19.399
try to separate that out, but the Sasquatch would never

1334
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:22.880
do that. And just like us. Now, I'm gonna say

1335
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:24.960
this because I think it's important to kind of give

1336
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:29.800
lays that foundation. Ron Moorehead told me back then, and

1337
01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:32.079
I just read it again in his book on the

1338
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:36.079
Quantum Bigfoot, and he makes the come in and there

1339
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:39.720
and there It was because I've said this before too,

1340
01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:46.880
and it's that when we fell in the garden, when

1341
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:49.880
we sinned and we did what God told us not to,

1342
01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:53.680
we believe the devil. You know that did God really say?

1343
01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:59.119
He questioned what God said, and then we disobeyed. There

1344
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:02.039
had to be a conce sequence for us to be

1345
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:04.600
a sension being. We had to be able to choose.

1346
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:08.479
If we didn't have a true choice, then there couldn't

1347
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:12.239
be a real relationship between God and us. But He

1348
01:18:12.399 --> 01:18:15.439
is the God of relationship. Now how does that tie

1349
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:17.760
over to the Sasquatch, to the Bigfoot? I think it

1350
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:23.560
ties over perfectly. I think that the human side of

1351
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:27.880
them are just like us. We are longing for a

1352
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:32.640
relationship with a creator, with a God who has a beginning,

1353
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:35.439
who has an end, who gives us an identity. But

1354
01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:41.119
when you have the nephilim, you have pure rebellion and witchcraft,

1355
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:44.960
and you have because which witchcraft is is the controlling,

1356
01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:50.560
trying to control your environment. And that's that's where you're

1357
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:55.039
not trusting God. You're trusting in a spirit realm that

1358
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:59.479
is real. I mean, I do deliverance ministry. I've seen

1359
01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:01.720
people say free left and right. We've had all kinds

1360
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:05.479
of supernatural things. I believe it signs wonders, miracles, and healings,

1361
01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.199
and I believe that we had the same things that

1362
01:19:09.239 --> 01:19:12.880
the Sasquatch have today and we've lost it because of

1363
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:17.439
the fall and because of sin. The God intended us

1364
01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:21.359
to be as the Sasquatch still are in a lot

1365
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:24.319
of ways, but to worship him and not to turn

1366
01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:29.119
from him. So saying that someday we're going to have

1367
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.600
a glorified body and all of those things that we

1368
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:35.880
lost are going to be restored to us. And I

1369
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:39.000
could probably just read through the quote that might be

1370
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:45.359
the best way to do it. It says the attributes. This

1371
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:50.359
is Ron Morhead. The attributes could entail the ability to

1372
01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:55.159
work within the quantum level of consciousness. Now, for a

1373
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:57.279
lot of our listeners, they're going to have to look

1374
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:02.760
at quantum level of consciousness just as humans, in my opinion,

1375
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:06.479
were originally designed to do the Sasquatch. In other words,

1376
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:10.000
Ron is saying have an ability in a quantum level

1377
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:13.800
of consciousness. That Ron then goes on to say, just

1378
01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:17.800
as we humans had at one time before we fell

1379
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:18.600
into sin.

1380
01:20:19.439 --> 01:20:22.479
Oh oh, okay, that's huge.

1381
01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:28.920
That's huge because that's why someday we stepped back into

1382
01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:32.319
it with the glorified body. And now people say, well,

1383
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:35.880
how can you say that so authoritative? In two thousand

1384
01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:38.920
and one, I died three times. That's why I left

1385
01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:41.439
teaching and coaching, because God called me into the ministry

1386
01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:43.399
at that time. And I've been in the ministry for

1387
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:47.359
twenty two years now, but he he said, you're going

1388
01:20:47.439 --> 01:20:49.479
to leave teaching and coaching and you're going to follow

1389
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:52.039
me in the ministry, and you're going to do it

1390
01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:54.239
and you're going to teach people to know me as

1391
01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:57.359
you know me, Kevin. And so that was my call

1392
01:20:57.439 --> 01:21:01.399
into the ministry. When I look at the Sabsquatch and

1393
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:07.359
I'm seeing this mix of human and fallen angel and

1394
01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:11.760
I'm seeing they have what we once had. But yet

1395
01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:15.560
here's the other part, because I almost need to shift

1396
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:17.479
because I feel like I'm going down the wrong trail.

1397
01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:21.920
It's I believe the human side of them long for

1398
01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:25.199
the things of God, just like we do. But I

1399
01:21:25.279 --> 01:21:29.359
believe that the occultic side is also drawing them stronger

1400
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:31.960
than we do. And we are really drawn to the occult,

1401
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:35.840
we are really drawn to the spiritual side, but only

1402
01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:40.199
the spiritual side, not the relationship side, because the spirit

1403
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:43.640
side is not wrong if it's done in a relationship

1404
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:47.239
with him, but if it's done outside of him, now

1405
01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:50.079
it becomes a cultic, it becomes me, myself and I

1406
01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:53.239
and the center is no longer on God, it's on

1407
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:58.079
you and wrong. Was basically saying, we had all these

1408
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:02.439
before and someday we'll have them again. And I agree

1409
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:05.279
with him totally. And I'm pretty sure he brought that

1410
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:08.840
bomb on me back in two thy or nineteen ninety nine,

1411
01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:14.319
whenever Gray Crow's conference was there in Hillsboro, Oregon. I'm

1412
01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:16.199
pretty sure he dropped it on me then, and I

1413
01:22:16.279 --> 01:22:19.079
remember chewing on it because it keeps popping in my

1414
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:21.840
mind and I'm thinking that had to been where Anyways,

1415
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:23.560
I was talking to Ron. I never got the chance

1416
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:26.319
to ask him, do you think we talked about that?

1417
01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:28.119
Because that's so many years ago. I mean, I was

1418
01:22:28.199 --> 01:22:30.880
eighteen years ago that Ron and I talked about that,

1419
01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.920
and I poo pooed most of it. And now I'm

1420
01:22:35.000 --> 01:22:36.640
right back to that spot. And there's a lot of

1421
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:39.600
reasons for that. My death being in heaven, I was

1422
01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:42.039
there three times. I died three times. They had to

1423
01:22:42.079 --> 01:22:44.720
resuscitate me, put the paddles on me, and the restart

1424
01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:49.479
my heart. And so I had some interesting encounters in heaven.

1425
01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:54.279
But I do understand that we the glorified, mine the

1426
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:58.640
glorified spirit. Everything glorified and on the heaven side is

1427
01:22:58.840 --> 01:23:03.279
so much more than here. The colors, the smells, the experiences,

1428
01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:07.039
the sensations in heaven is part of the glorified. That's

1429
01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:10.279
what Adam and Eve lived in. And I believe to

1430
01:23:10.319 --> 01:23:14.079
some extent the Sasquatch still live there because they've tried

1431
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:17.399
hard to stay away. I also think that there's many

1432
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:21.960
different offshoots of the Nephelin, and the Sasquatch is only

1433
01:23:22.000 --> 01:23:27.680
an offshoot. They're not the methylin Does that make sense?

1434
01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:33.960
But I do know there's there's a great story, and

1435
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:35.760
I think I started to talk to you about it,

1436
01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:37.279
but I'm not sure. I might have been talking to

1437
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:42.479
somebody else. It's about Glag in North Idaho.

1438
01:23:42.760 --> 01:23:44.520
Yeah, hen you had mentioned that, yep.

1439
01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:50.319
Yeah, And in that in that when he's talking, he's

1440
01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:54.600
talking about how Glag would get really excited when Kevin

1441
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:58.960
would read to him in the Gospels and the words

1442
01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:01.560
of Jesus. He would start bouncing up and down in

1443
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:04.520
the jab because Glag could speak English. Kevin had taught

1444
01:24:04.600 --> 01:24:07.840
him how to speak rudimentary English, but he could speak

1445
01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:12.439
and he can understand him, but Glag's language itself. Kevin

1446
01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:13.039
explained his.

1447
01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:25.640
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Hey, are you there?

1448
01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:27.680
Okay, yeah, my h.

1449
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.239
My stuff just went crazy when you start talking about

1450
01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:40.479
the Gospels. Yeah, the bluetooth, the bluetooth just went crazy

1451
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.880
on me. So hold on, I'm gonna need to I

1452
01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:48.720
need to call you back in like two minutes. Sorry,

1453
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:58.279
all right, So my stuff just went crazy when Kevin

1454
01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:04.920
started talking about the Gospels. It just went and shut

1455
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:07.439
the phone off or kick the phone off the connection.

1456
01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:20.359
So we are going to try to get him back here. Okay,

1457
01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:24.560
hey Kevin, So we're back. We're recording. So we just

1458
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:28.000
got dis kind of a weird bluetooth disconnect when you

1459
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:32.520
start talking about Gleg and him learning English and hearing

1460
01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:33.520
the Gospels and stuff.

1461
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:38.159
Yeah. Yeah, so Kevin would make mention, let's let's see

1462
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.600
what happens. Let's experiment with this, because I've heard this

1463
01:25:40.640 --> 01:25:43.880
happen before. Yeah, it's it's crazy. All of a sudden,

1464
01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:46.960
you'll have him cut out. Yeah, well, it's happened again.

1465
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:53.960
Are you listening, Yeah right, yeah, exactly. Now we're back

1466
01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:59.359
to the men in black suits. Uh huh. Anyways, he

1467
01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:01.880
would get really excited. Glag would get excited as Kevin

1468
01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:04.479
would read the Gospel, so he would take his Bible

1469
01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:06.920
up and he would read out of the Gospels to him,

1470
01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:09.439
and that's where he always wanted him to read, was

1471
01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:13.279
about Jesus. And he would start talking so fast. Kevin

1472
01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:17.479
would say, slow down, slow down, pronounce your words, because

1473
01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:19.840
he would just slur them all together, you know, a

1474
01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:22.720
whole sentence would just be like one. Anyways, he would

1475
01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:26.439
just get really excited and he would talk too fast.

1476
01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:30.680
And when you were talking about anything Jesus, he would

1477
01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:33.560
just get excited, and it wasn't like an agitation. It

1478
01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:36.199
was more like, this is cool, this is what I

1479
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:40.359
want to talk about. And that was Glag and he

1480
01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:44.840
was just a young child Sasquatch. His parents had been

1481
01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:48.680
apparently shot, is what Kevin concluded, because over on the

1482
01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:51.279
Montana side of the border, because he was on the

1483
01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:54.760
Idaho side where he grew up, but the Sasquatch were

1484
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:59.159
known to be quite rough over there, and apparently there

1485
01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:02.840
was talk that two sasquatch were killed and buried up

1486
01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:06.760
in the woods, and then like the week after, he

1487
01:27:06.880 --> 01:27:11.600
finds this starving baby sasquatch. That is just a little guy,

1488
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:14.359
you know. He's like three feet tall or something like that.

1489
01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:16.920
I can't remember the details of how big he was,

1490
01:27:17.000 --> 01:27:21.119
but he certainly was. He was smaller than Kevin was.

1491
01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:24.279
Kevin was in junior high at the time, and he

1492
01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:26.920
was this was his scouting area for hunting. That's where

1493
01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:30.479
they shot deer every year and they had never seen

1494
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:34.560
anything bigfoot wise until this little blag guy shows up.

1495
01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:36.760
And it would be a few I think it was

1496
01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:41.399
months later when Kevin had met this little sasquatch that

1497
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:45.199
he finally got his name was Glag And that's the

1498
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:49.399
whole story. I said, Dutch, Is that then? I think

1499
01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:55.439
you said it? Dutch? Does this podcast also? Does that

1500
01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:56.000
sound right?

1501
01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:58.199
It?

1502
01:27:58.439 --> 01:27:58.520
No?

1503
01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:02.319
I know it's old Bigfoot Central and I'm gonna have

1504
01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:04.479
to edit this sound.

1505
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:06.840
Like I know what I'm talking about.

1506
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:12.760
Duke hold On, Yeah, that's Duke from World Bigfoot Central.

1507
01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:16.840
Yes, Yes, he was the one that was doing the

1508
01:28:16.880 --> 01:28:19.560
interview with Kevin. Okay, and I don't know Kevin ever

1509
01:28:19.600 --> 01:28:20.920
put it in a book for him. I wish he

1510
01:28:20.960 --> 01:28:24.199
would because there was just so much information. I've listened

1511
01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:27.560
to that twice, kind of like I've listened to the

1512
01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:30.760
whole Fox story the fifty years with Bigfoot in Tennessee.

1513
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:36.800
Sure that was fascinating read too, and yeah, but anyways,

1514
01:28:36.920 --> 01:28:39.000
you can learn a lot about these that have been

1515
01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:43.079
habituated over time and they've spent time with them. And

1516
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:45.840
I think a lot of the stuff that Kevin talked

1517
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.479
about with Clagg and what he experienced really lined up

1518
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:52.680
a lot with what the linguist was talking about with

1519
01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:57.640
Ron Moorehead, the guy who you know, was the specialist

1520
01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:00.560
that really took it to the next level and he's

1521
01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:08.720
still aloed today. He stepped all in. Scott Nelson, Thank you, Scott.

1522
01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:12.039
I'd love to meet that man sometime. He just the

1523
01:29:12.079 --> 01:29:16.159
way he approaches it and he can simplify the language.

1524
01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:19.960
He's it's easier to understand him than other linguists who

1525
01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:26.079
he mastered. The linguist a side of it well, and

1526
01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:28.920
he presents goods. You can understand what he's talking about,

1527
01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:32.199
and I really appreciate him. But the thing that he

1528
01:29:32.439 --> 01:29:36.199
brings up is how fast they're talking. That there's a

1529
01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:40.039
speed and a cadence that's way above human level. We

1530
01:29:40.159 --> 01:29:43.399
can't even talk at that speed. The cadence that they

1531
01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:48.439
use is remarkable, and it's outside the possibility of us

1532
01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:51.039
being able to repeat. And that's what Scott Nelson says,

1533
01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:54.159
and I agree with him. I think that was exactly

1534
01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:55.960
what he was talking about with glag when he would

1535
01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:59.239
get excited and Kevin would try to slow him down

1536
01:29:59.359 --> 01:30:03.039
because he couldn't understand the English because he was talking

1537
01:30:03.079 --> 01:30:07.159
too fast, and Glad could actually put words together way

1538
01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:10.640
faster than Kevin could, so he couldn't even understand what

1539
01:30:10.720 --> 01:30:12.680
he was saying that when he was talking too fast.

1540
01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:16.479
But Kevin had identified long before I'd heard about Scott Nelson,

1541
01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:20.920
and the Sierra Sounds had identified that these things they

1542
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:24.439
speak when they're doing their Samurai chatter in a language,

1543
01:30:24.920 --> 01:30:29.960
a known language to them that apparently is very similar

1544
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:34.199
to the Native American languages in America. And you know,

1545
01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:38.359
the Chinook jargon was a language that was spoken here

1546
01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:41.680
in the Pacific Northwest by the Indians that most of

1547
01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:45.279
the tribes could understand Chinook jargon at least part of it,

1548
01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:51.199
and that would give basic rudimentary communication skills to different

1549
01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:54.479
tribes that weren't part of the same tribe, and here

1550
01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:56.840
the Sasquatch seemed to be able to do the same thing.

1551
01:30:57.319 --> 01:31:00.520
And that comes down that fifty years with Bigfoot. I

1552
01:31:00.600 --> 01:31:02.479
think it's Channis Carter Koy.

1553
01:31:02.600 --> 01:31:04.359
Does that sound right?

1554
01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:10.199
But you know she she's done all kinds of research

1555
01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:15.359
and study herself and on linguist stuff, and uh, I

1556
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:19.359
believe she's a doctor in linguistic linguistic stuff. If not,

1557
01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:22.479
she's a doctor of something biology. I don't know. I'm

1558
01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:25.399
not really sure now I've it's been a while since

1559
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:28.239
I've re listened all the way up to like episode seven,

1560
01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:30.520
and I need to keep going because that's when they

1561
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:33.880
get into the Nephilim thing and what her grandfather thought

1562
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:37.199
it was. He thought that they were the Etomites, and

1563
01:31:37.960 --> 01:31:40.399
which is kind of interesting because they're on my list

1564
01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:44.960
here too. The Etomites as giants, but the Moabites called

1565
01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:49.760
them etomites. They were they were rapidites, and Anakites they

1566
01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:55.680
were called etomites, and he called them etamites with a D.

1567
01:31:56.359 --> 01:32:01.039
But that's yeah anyway, so that whole lineage of the

1568
01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:03.760
giants has been passed on them. We know about the

1569
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:07.640
Afghanistan giants where you know, that's that's questionable too. But

1570
01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:10.359
we have the giants that have been found and the

1571
01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:14.800
footprints and the Lubbock they say human tracks in the Lubbock,

1572
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.119
Texas area that are you know, petrified into the rock

1573
01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:22.079
that at one time was just mud along the river,

1574
01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:26.439
the Plexi river bed. And but those those footprints are

1575
01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:29.079
anywhere from eighteen to twenty two inches long.

1576
01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:33.399
Wow, Oh that's wild. Yeah, I got that up.

1577
01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:40.720
Yeah, yeah, Plexi River and it's it's yeah, the Plexi River.

1578
01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:43.920
The footprints, the human footprints they call them, and you

1579
01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:45.880
look at them and you're going, well, they got narrow

1580
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:48.600
heels like a female sasquatch or a little bit. They

1581
01:32:48.600 --> 01:32:52.800
actually have an art to them, but they're giants. They're huge.

1582
01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:56.800
Yeah they don't. They don't kept say that, but that's you.

1583
01:32:57.159 --> 01:32:59.560
It is in the writing. You'll see it. It's eighteen

1584
01:32:59.600 --> 01:33:01.920
and then twenty two inches, like there were two different

1585
01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:05.079
individuals where they come from?

1586
01:33:05.359 --> 01:33:10.520
Yeah, exactly. So does this kind of explain then? So

1587
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:13.279
there's a pattern from people I've talked to over the

1588
01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:17.119
years where they have an interaction or they're in an

1589
01:33:17.159 --> 01:33:23.199
area where it's very known for bigfoot and et cetera.

1590
01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:27.319
And then they start having things happen, like they start

1591
01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:31.640
to hear things or et cetera, et cetera, or could

1592
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:34.520
that could be something completely different. They start to hear

1593
01:33:34.720 --> 01:33:39.199
like the experienced mind speak or you know, telepathic type things.

1594
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:42.640
Yeah, it's almost like the door has been opened, right,

1595
01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:46.039
and now they're now the receivements that they it maybe

1596
01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:48.279
was there, but they never noticed it before, but now

1597
01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:51.680
they do. Yeah. I think it's both. I think that

1598
01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:57.119
they're realizing for the first time and the I think

1599
01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:00.800
that there has to be some doway that you got

1600
01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:04.560
to walk through to be able to embrace that. And

1601
01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:08.279
oftentimes the sighting is enough to shake you to the

1602
01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:12.159
point where now you're being sensitive to before you know

1603
01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:15.920
you walk by. And I've talked to fish and gain people.

1604
01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:19.079
I've talked to police officers and they say, I've been

1605
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.199
out in the woods my whole life and i have

1606
01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:25.479
never seen anything that would indicate a sasquatch. Well, there's

1607
01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:28.640
a psychological response for that, and typically what we do

1608
01:34:28.800 --> 01:34:32.239
is we don't want to think about it. It's in

1609
01:34:32.279 --> 01:34:34.800
a terror zone that we don't want to visit because

1610
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.920
we're not in control anymore, and so we lock down

1611
01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:40.960
and shut it down. We don't walk through those doors,

1612
01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:45.319
and so we're not going to accept it. So if

1613
01:34:45.359 --> 01:34:48.119
you find a footprint, you may have found a footprint

1614
01:34:48.359 --> 01:34:53.119
years ago and purposely forgot about it. You may have

1615
01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:55.159
heard sounds in the middle of the night that you

1616
01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:59.079
couldn't explain and then all of a sudden it comes

1617
01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:02.079
up and maybe they're a recording is coming over the

1618
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:04.319
TV and you're hearing that, going, I've heard that before.

1619
01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:06.880
All of a sudden, there's an identification. There was a

1620
01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:08.920
door opened at one point in your past when you

1621
01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:12.960
saw the evidence in the woods of these things and

1622
01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:16.840
you blocked it out. Number One, it wasn't convenient. Number two,

1623
01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:21.720
you're no longer in control. Those are scary topics, and

1624
01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:24.920
I really think there's a psychological into that, and that

1625
01:35:25.119 --> 01:35:28.720
humans have a very strong desire to be in control,

1626
01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:32.920
and when we're not in control, it terrifies us.

1627
01:35:35.039 --> 01:35:37.199
Yeah, I would agree, it would be.

1628
01:35:38.239 --> 01:35:41.039
It's kind of a whole funny deal because it's like,

1629
01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:45.880
so let's say, if this is an philim, then if

1630
01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:51.920
there is discovery of sasquations proved to be real across

1631
01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:57.800
the board, then in essence that proves the Bible as well.

1632
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I don't want to do that either. Yeah, yeah, that

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would be another.

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Yeah, this is so wild. Okay, what what a what

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a conversation. This has given me a lot to think about.

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Kevin.

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Thank you so much for chatting today. I mean, I

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feel like, you know, we we had such a good

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conversation at the festival just a few months ago as well,

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and I just appreciate you coming on the show and

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01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:29.479
for sharing what you've been through your thoughts on things.

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It's been a very enjoyable conversation. Good, good, good, all right, Kevin, Well, yeah,

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01:36:37.560 --> 01:36:42.319
have a good one. But I just wanted to take

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01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:44.239
him in to say thank you for listening to this

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01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:47.520
episode of the Big for Society podcast. Kevin's encounters are

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01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:49.439
the kind that stick with you, not just because of

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01:36:49.479 --> 01:36:52.600
the screams or the footprints, because of how deeply they

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01:36:52.680 --> 01:36:56.239
weave into a lifetime of searching. It's a huge thanks

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01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:58.399
to Kevin for sharing his story from the force of

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the Pacific Northwest and for finding us that sometimes the

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01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:06.079
mystery follows you from childhood into the rest of your life.

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Now.

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If you or someone you know has had a big

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01:37:30.600 --> 01:37:34.399
Foot encounter, especially around Packwood mortin the Blue Mountains or

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01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:36.560
anywhere in the world, I'd love to hear from you,

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So please send me an email bigfo Society at gmail

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everything and that will break this damn called disclosure and

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put it all wide open. So please send me your

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account and let's start the conversation. And if you don't

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send it to me, send it to anyone else. Wes Miguel,

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I don't care. I would love to talk to you,

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but at the end of the day, we need to

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get this all out in the open. And if you

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us at the Bigfoot Society, and until next time, keep

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01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:40.880
your ears open, trust your gut, and never stop asking

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01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:42.880
what else might be out there, And see you in

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the woods.