Sept. 22, 2025

He Twisted the Antlers — And That’s When I Saw His Face! | Washington

He Twisted the Antlers — And That’s When I Saw His Face! | Washington
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Season 1

What would you do if you stumbled across a creature in the forest so powerful — it twisted a deer's neck with its bare hands? In this raw and jaw-dropping episode, we hear from Miguel, a lifelong outdoorsman from the Spokane region of Washington State. Miguel recounts his terrifying encounter in the buck brush near Marble Mountain, where he and a friend witnessed a massive Sasquatch kill and drag away a full-grown deer — all in broad daylight. This story includes detailed descriptions of the creature’s movements, physical appearance, and the disturbing sounds it made while feeding. Miguel’s story doesn't stop there. He also shares an equally chilling encounter with a vibrating, cloaked entity near Mount Spokane — and how these events led to a complete spiritual transformation. If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to truly see Bigfoot — and how it changes everything — don’t miss this unforgettable story from Stevens County.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Miguel today. Miguel is

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an individual I got connected to. He's from out there

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in the Spokane, Washington area. We've got a lot of

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ground to cover today. We were talking before the show

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started and already stuff was getting thrown out. That was

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very intense. So I am excited to have Miguel on

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the show. Welcome, sir, How are you doing today?

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I'm doing great. Thank you for asking. It's been you know,

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like we chatted earlier, It's like my life has kind

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of led up to this point and I'm super excited

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to let anybody know anything they'd like to about me.

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And some craziness has happened in my time, and like

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I said, I'm an open book and I'm just excited

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to be here.

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Yes, sir, Yes, sir. So how far back do we

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need to go for your story, Miguel, It sounds like

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there's a lot of stuff intertwined here and not just

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only Bigfoot related.

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Well, to be honest with you, to start that righteously,

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just a quick tidbit, because I could just blow time

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just talking about just stuff leading up to this point,

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I guess would be really as far as I can tell,

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when I kind of became conscious of myself as a

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young guy, I don't know, maybe three or four years,

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sitting down in a high chair eating, looking down at myself,

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noticing my legs and arms, and I thought to myself, dang,

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I'm a baby again. I think I've been reincarnated. I

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feel like that my parents and everybody around me has

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always thought that I was a little special in the

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way of just being since in different life aspects and whatnot,

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and it just kind of started there. To be honest,

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I didn't get along with my dad I'm fifty four now,

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and when I was about thirty five, I went to

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him and I apologized that I was such a bullheaded

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kid and that we kind of got into it a

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little bit. You know, maybe typical fathers some arguments, but

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I kind of I guess in a way, I can

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clean to my dad because I realized the reason why

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I treated him the way I did is because, like

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I said, when I was conscious another thing, I was

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a baby again. My dumb mind thought, well, he's not

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even my dad. Why do I got to listen to him? Well,

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sounds crazy, but that's the way I felt for a

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long time growing up.

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Wow, So you you never really thought of him as

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your father? Is that something that came to light later.

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Or well, it didn't take long for me to realize

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that that I was remembering, you know, past life. I

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guess some would call it or something. I just really

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felt frustrated that I was a baby again, and that's

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the key word of this again, and looking down at

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my arms and my legs, I was like, what's going

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on here? And it was just as weird. It was

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like one of my first conscious memories of myself.

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I guess, did did you also have other interesting things

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happened during your upbringing. I mean, you've already mentioned that

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sounds like you know, you can remember her past life

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where there are other things that would happen that were

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out of the ordinary for a young kid.

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Sure, I'm a twin and my brother and I and

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you know, through time, I've kind of not really researched

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it as much as just kind of seen and heard

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shows and whatnot through the years that sometimes twin babies

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have their own language, and my brother and I definitely

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had that going on, and I can kind of still

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remember a lot of that. And it kind of went

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even into one of my daughters where my wife and

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I were kind of worried because my youngest she wasn't

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little like speaking very soon like my other daughter was.

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And it went on to like maybe four almost five

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years old, and we thought, oh wow, you know the

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order she might be an a spectrum or something, and

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she wasn't at all. She was just so observe it.

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So even leading up to that time, I was a

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kid that was just super wanted to know all kinds

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of information. And so I've forgotten a little bit, but

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I learned sign language just kind of her fun and

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I was teaching my daughter's sign language and she was

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communicating with me no problem. And then we found out

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she was just listening a couple of time and it

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was just super quiet. She just didn't want to talk.

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But when she decided to come out of her shell,

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you can't shut her up. She's on her way. Maybe

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I don't know what field she's going to be doing,

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but she's taking classes and whatnot. You know, in the

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medical field. I don't know she's going to go far

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as being a doctor, but you know she speaks two

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languages and as smart as a whip. That is.

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That is fascinating. You never know what's in the mind

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of a child until one day, Man, they just start

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doing stuff. I know exactly what that's like. But you know, Miguel,

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what was it. Do you remember the first time when

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you had some sort of interaction or or you first realized,

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you know what this what bigfoot is, and how there's

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some creature out there like Bigfoot?

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Oh, definitely, definitely. So I was born in nineteen seventy one.

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We moved to Washington State out of kindergarten. I was

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here in Spokane, went to kindergarten, moved up north, maybe

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sixty five miles in a little town called Chuila, you know, Chuila,

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Washington's anybody wants to look on a map. And when

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I turned to go home off those freeway or highway

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there three ninety five north, assigning says Grand Forks. We've

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seen me seventy four miles, might say seventy six miles.

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But it's up there towards Canada, you know. And so

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hearing a lot of these big Foot stories, you know,

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I hear a lot about the Seatollera and the Olympic

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Peninsula and what And me and my friends always thought

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that was face liquor stuff over there. We're of the

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guys in the woods, you know. And when I was

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growing up, Man's off old bus number eight Cottonwood Road.

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As long as my school clothes were changed out if

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they were new, I was told to be home before dark.

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And my little red Rider baby Gun, and I and

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my twin brother, maybe a friend. Sometimes we were out

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in the woods. Man, That's all we did. I mean,

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and bean and Chulila. There's a lot of Native American

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Indian more. And Chuila actually is a word from Sahalish

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that means valley of the serpent a valley of the Snake,

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and I hear a lot of the bigfoot stuff and

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I'm sure you're familiar with the words scook them. Well,

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that's a Sahalos word in this area, but I was

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told by one of the elders that means bigfoot. And

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we camped at Schookham Lake and my dad was in

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the hunting and camping. I graduated hunting course when I

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was eight years old. I still have the other bad

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gun that was a gift for that. And you know,

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one of part of the things, it's just different these days,

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how kids are raised and just what not is uh.

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You know, we ed to you know, FI find the

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pile of bm next bikes and that's where everybody was.

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You know, we weren't really in the city, and she

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was so small. I don't know if you'd even call

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the city. You know. I graduated, I believe, with maybe

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thirty eight kids, and there's still only one stop signed

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in that little town. And I don't know the population,

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but it's it's still really small. And like I said,

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off the bus in the woods we went and because

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the idiot stuff, you know, we'd find these structures and

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they looked like teachings. You know, they'd these a typical

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angle wood, you know that weren't like giant trees. They

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were you know, biggest would be six inches around, but

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they were always just small poles. And we thought, in

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my young mind, and so we're talking first grade, second grade,

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third grade, young you know, that the Indians must still

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be around and this is just something that they were building,

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and maybe we came upon an old one, or maybe

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they're still here and we better get out of here,

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because sometimes we'd feel a little creeped out. And you know,

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with technology now and all the sharing that's going on,

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just like you and I right now, you know, wood

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knocks and the howls and the works and all that stuff.

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You know. A few years ago and I started listening

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to podcasts and whatnot, I was just like, holy moly,

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I heard that stuff all the time, you know, And

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we'd be out in the woods and we'd see something

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kind of funny and you'd smell something weird, and we

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just thought, you know, we didn't know what to think.

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And you know, now with all the sharing and all

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that stuff, you're like, oh, we were in the middle

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of it, didn't even know it, you know, And we

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would hear stories around the area. There was a bus

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driver slash football coach up there that would literally get

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red faced mad if you didn't believe his bad foot story.

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You know, the people that had those stories were serious.

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And you know, like I said, I'm fifty four now,

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and I think part of technology and the sharing was

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going on its loosened everybody's lips to the fact that

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you don't hear many people being concerned. At least my

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friends say, oh, I don't want to say anything because

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they're going to call me crazy and all that old

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cliche stuff, you know, And I think part of the

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world now is just really not olding that way anymore.

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And so you're just seeing this flood of information and

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sharing going on. Because of the Internet and these phones,

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you know, computer in your pocket, you're able to just

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click on stuff, just like I clicked on your podcast,

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and it was just like, holy moly, this so many

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stories are so simular that it's just undeniable. And then plus,

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you know, the first time I really saw something was

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very very strange because I wasn't sure what I was

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looking at. Okay, So if you're a guy standing in

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the woods and you think you see something depending on

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how far away you know it is. Because for instance,

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I've been standing there, you know, in Mother Nature, having

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these bathroom and you know, taking a heaving hunder tree

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or whatever, and almost pete on a moose and he

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was right there and I never saw him. And your

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eyes and just the way you see things, and people

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that have never hunted or never seen anything in the woods,

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you know, and then they finally see it, your mind

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and your eyes kind of change. And for instance, one

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of the things that I noticed to be true besides

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my soon become crazy bigfoot story that I have, was

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just simply picking morrell mushrooms before. I'm not a big

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mushroom fan. I don't really care for him to eat

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that much, but for fun and being in the woods,

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we would, you know, be out there doing it. And

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a friend of mine had to drive Morrell in his

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hand and he was this is what they look like.

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This was kind of dry, so you know, they might

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have more shape to him, but this is what you

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need to try to find. And I looked and looked

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and was like, I don't see anything. And we got

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into a patch and I was, you know, ten feet

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away from a friend and he's like they're everywhere, and

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I'm like, well, I don't even see anything. Well, once

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my eye saw one, it was like they just popped

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out of nowhere and came out of mother Nature's natural camouflage,

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if you will, and there they were. And when your

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eye knows what to look for and bingo, you can

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kind of see that. And young hunters have that same

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thing happened, you know, as a young person, my dad, hey,

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there's a deer. There's a deer, and be like where where?

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And once I saw one, then it was like, oh,

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you know what it looks like, and not just in

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a picture, And now you know what it looks like

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in mother nature, amongst the trees, the bushes, the brush,

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different colors, different times a year, different situations. Is it

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going across the road, is it up on a hill,

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is it close? Is it far? Is it in a field?

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Which is also very tricky on the eye, because sometimes

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you can get out in that field and you notice

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that you're actually in four foot high grass and that's

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the only reason why you saw the there's little head

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sticking up. And as a young man hunting, we learn

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all those little tricks, if you will, little things I've

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seen deer fights. I've seen deer breed, I've seen deer.

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I saw a deer crawling on its hands and knees

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one time. This is part of the story. We were

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out hunting, and we were always conscious of the orange

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and the rules, and my dad was very very strict,

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and with the grandkids and all that. Now it's carried

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on with my daughters and other grandkids. Any kind of

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gun activity. Is there was ever a gun in the room,

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even a beady gun, the mood changed and everybody was

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supposed to be very serious, very cautious, very I wouldn't

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say militant, but really very strict. And my dad was

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in Datis Fremale and he's a very he's a man's man,

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and being taught hunting was to be very very serious

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because it could be a life saver besides getting your

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own food and whatnot. You know, he wanted to definitely

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let us know that it was an example of the

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way people had to live, have to live, and you know,

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they really have to live someday if you know, stuff's

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ever got bad, and so not just that. I was

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in the Boy Scouts as well, and you know, we

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went camping sometimes in some very remote places and sometimes

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for fun, and sometimes it wasn't that fun for me.

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But he would say, you know, we're going to bring

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a little bit of food, but we're going to go

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catch or hunt our dinner. And that was also a

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respect thing. If we ever saw anything, he would get

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a little irritated if once we got older, if we

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didn't eat what was shot. And you know, I've eaten

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some weird stuff. Chipmunks tastes like pine trees, and let

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me tell you that. And you know, we used to

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catch trout and you know, dress them out and stick

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them on a stick and roll them around and the

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fire like a hot dog on a stick. And I

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don't really care for fish because of that so much now.

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But we grew up maybe a little different than some,

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but I really appreciated it now because just all the information.

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But as I'm saying, and so all the arrow hunters

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out there, and I don't know about that, because through

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my time and my friend's time and lots of other

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friends that I've had hunting, man, I've ran across some

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poor deer that I had to put out of their

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misery because they were, you know, one or two arrows

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through them and they stink and they were dying and

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just oh, man, arrows, I don't know. I'm not a

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fan of those because they don't always go and this

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was a factor, this deer. It was crawling, okay, I

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was okay. Chewheela is also kind of an easy thing

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to follow because the local ski mountain there is called

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forty nine degrees north, and that's a you know, longitude

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latitude insignia of the forty nine degrees and I believe

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the Canadian borders might be fifty I think. But anyhow,

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being in it to the local ski mountain as well,

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you're in some pretty high terrain and the world changes

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a little in altitudes because the tree line stops. And

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so you know, if you ever watch a ski movie

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or whatnot, and these people are skiing, are snowboarding this

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beautiful field. You might just see one or two trees

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and they just have this open powder field of snow

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to do whatever they want and turn however they want.

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It's a lot of fun, but that's at a certain elevation.

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So being my dad, you know, showed us the area,

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and when I was able to hop off the bus

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and just do what I want, that grew into the

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time when I was able to drive, and then, oh boy, hottie,

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we went everywhere we went, We'd get bored, there wasn't

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a whole lot to do at that time, and get

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a couple of friends and our favorite cassette tapes and

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I jump in my little eighty teen four wheel drive

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Subaru and we would go places that were just insane. Oh.

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I mean, it developed into a friend of mine, and

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I've asked to use his name. His name is Kenny Fuller,

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who's a good friend of mine. We actually have our

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thirty fifth high school reunion coming on up at the

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end of this month. And he worked from the dn

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R and then the Forest Service and so and I

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mean forever, I said, right out of high school. And

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I believe it still works for the Forest Service now.

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And he showed us some roads I just didn't even know,

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and I thought I knew, you know, And we would

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go everywhere, you know, I know, trails that I could

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walk to Canada, and it was it was just I

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don't know, nobody ever got hurt. We never really did

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anything done. We're just out cruising around just because there's

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not much else to do. And if you were hunting

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or a hunter. You know a lot of people held

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on to their special spot, their area where you know,

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their boon and crocket, giant buck would come from, and

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nobody would tell me, you know, the secret. And that

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kind of was funny because it goes along with Huckleberry.

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Even people that go out and do their own like

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logging and getting wood, you know, they don't like to

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tell anybody where their hot spot is, where they find

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the big logs and that sort of thing, you know.

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And so as we're hunting and we see this deer,

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it's about four point buck. It's got an arrow sticking

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out of it, and I believe it was on last

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legs and that's why it was crawling. Well, we're hunting,

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we're making sure that there's you know, a safe shot.

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We don't don't and haven't seen any orange. We haven't

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heard anybody use any calls. We haven't seen any other

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or heard any other vehicles come in. We know the

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land really well. And I decide, you know, even if

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I have to take it and put the tag on

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the sting, I'm going to put it out of its

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misery and so pull the trigger. It was a headshet

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got Fortunately that I just ended it. And I don't

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mean to be rude or cruel, but the thing was

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just grossly shot with this arrow, and it was just

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nasty and it's stunk, and just oh, I just I

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was proud to take a shot and put that poor

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deer out of its misery. So as my friend and

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I are walking up towards this deer, the smell changes,

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and I'm thinking this is bad, this is this is

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kind of wacky. And people that hunt that know that

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male deer in the rut, as they say, kind of stink. Anyway,

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you know that the males get big and the lands

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start going and it's part of their breathing thing with

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its smell. Which also here in the second I'll tell

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you guys about some of the Indian elder that have

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told me what the sasquatch in the big Foot and

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the difference between male and female and why and what

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they're snaring. So as we're heading towards this deer, the

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snow changes, but with that the mood changes too. The

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arrogants kind of heavy, and then you know, this animal

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just lost its life. There was a big shot, you know,

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And so we didn't really think, like I've heard a

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lot of people think, you know, I should have been

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aware that the forests got quiet. There wasn't a chirp,

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there wasn't a frog, there was no insects doing anything.

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It was totally silent. Well, we just figured that maybe

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it was just us. And the mood was heavy and

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it was stinky, and now the forest is really quiet.

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But I'm just kind of feeling, you know, I've always

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been really sensitive to things, and I just felt like

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something just wasn't right. Well, as we get closer, my

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friend puts his hand out, he hits me in the

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chest and he goes and he's quiet. We whispering. He's

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like stop, stop, and so we stop and he ducks

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and I kind of duck and I'm looking and I

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asked him what's going on? What's going on? And he goes,

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I think there's a bear coming in for that deer,

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and I'm like what. And so he hands me this

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view finder and I'm I'm trying to set the thing

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and I can't get in and focus, and so I'm like,

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heck with bat, and I scand up a little more

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to look at this thing. We're now about forty yards

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away from it, and we see this black figure coming in,

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we see little flashes, we see stuff, we move in.

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It was it was really thick what we would call

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buck brush. And this deer is I finally see a deer.

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I see this arrow sticking up lan outside. I see

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the head, I see the horns well out of this

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these bushes. I see these arms come out, grab that

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gear by the horns and twist its neck. And the

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way that it happened. Besides it just being shocking to

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see these arms come out of these bushes like that,

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and we're talking, this thing looked like a bodybuilder, you know.

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People say that, and people say that sometimes they can

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see through the fur or the hair, and that also

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comes into what elders have told me that there's two

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different kinds of bigfoot in the area, and their fur

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or their hair has to do with that fur. Like

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people would say, the fur hair is like hair. The

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thing had hair, and when its arms came out of

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these bushes, you can see the hairpine of dripping off

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its arms. You could kind of see through to the skin,

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which looked, I guess like human skin but darker but

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but just not the same tone. It had kind of

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a khaki colored tone, like a gunny sack bag were

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that bag kind of I don't know how to explain

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it khaki colored. The thing was dark brown to black

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depending on how the sun hit it. And when it

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grabbed that deer and did what it did, I I

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just wanted to turn around and get the heck out

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of there. And my friend was just like, no, no notice.

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I don't think it knows where hairless. Just wait, wait,

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And it took everything I could just I was shick

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and so bad. To be honest, I wet myself and

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I was I was almost in tears. I just had

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to go. And he just convinced me, grabbing me again

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and said you go, just hold on. This is a

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chance of a lifetime. And I was just like, man,

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it's chance to get killed. Look what it just did

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to that deer. And you could tell that that creature

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had done that move before for sure. And when it

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grabbed it and did it sting it kind of you know,

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pulls on it drug it in, and then we couldn't see.

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We could see stuff moving, we couldn't really see. And

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my friend was like, man, I didn't really see, like hands,

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are you sure? What are you talking about? Because I

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was telling him that that's not a bear. That's not a bear.

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Those are arms, man, And it's like, what do you

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need arms? I'm like arms like a human. I saw

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a hand. It grabbed those antlers with a thumb. It

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wasn't a paw. It wasn't a strike, it wasn't a swipe.

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It was a grab, a twist, a pull and power. Brother,

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we're talking, you know it. It yanked that deer kind

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of It was kind of a strange buckbrust is in

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when you're in buckbrush, the closest I could say that

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people might be able to recognize something like this would

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be I've seen shots of people chasing feral hogs around

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and they're in like these tubes where the animal has

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cored out the brush and it's in the brush. That's

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how this was. They were in it, and when that

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creature pulled on this carcass, it was like the bust

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swallowed it. It was just kind of gone. And it

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was just the fact that it was in this hole,

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if you will, that was in the buck brush. It

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pulled it towards itself. I would imagine it's doing it

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steal and then the stinks came on were real bad,

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and I think It was just because that deer carcass

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kind of let go and we heard this thing kind

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of start dagging, and it sounded human but not human, right,

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There was tones that were so deep that you've also

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heard people say, you know, I could see it in

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my chest and whatnot. Well, it didn't scream or how

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quite yet, but it definitely had a voice that and

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and it was gagging. It was gagging, and so it was.

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It wasn't really I wasn't in the mootual comedy, but

456
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:35.799
it was kind of comical in a way to hear

457
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:41.480
this thing gagging, and me and my friend were like, Okay,

458
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.240
we need to get out of here. This is just

459
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:45.839
get too weird in the stense was just too much,

460
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:48.720
even at forty five fifty yards away. I don't know

461
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.599
if we were down wind or what, but it was

462
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:56.000
eyewatering bad. As we do this, we start backing out.

463
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.359
We weren't in any buckbrush, We're above it. As the

464
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:05.359
landscape went, we were probably maybe twenty feet higher than

465
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.960
looking down this little hill, you know, forty five fifty

466
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:13.680
yards away, and we get up a little higher, kind

467
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.559
of go around to the left if I remember right, Yeah,

468
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.359
we went left. I was a little just a little ridge,

469
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:23.599
little peak, and we get a better look at it,

470
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:28.920
and this thing stands up, and that's when I was

471
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.359
just like, I can't believe this is real. I've always

472
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.200
heard about this, you know, and this is going on

473
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:42.000
when I'm maybe a year out of high school, so

474
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:46.000
it even ninety one or so, you know, and I

475
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:51.160
graduated in ninety and anyhow, so this thing stands up

476
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.359
and it doesn't see us because the way we went,

477
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.960
we were kind of like a forty five degree angle

478
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:00.640
to it. Now we're off, that's would have been its

479
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:07.599
right shoulder. Yes, wait, left shoulder, because we went left.

480
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.000
It was turned so out of its left shoulder by

481
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:13.599
a forty five three angle twenty feet higher, forty five

482
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.759
yards away. We get this look at this thing, and

483
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.359
I either either smoked us or felt us, or we

484
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:26.279
made a noise that it kind of turns. And I've

485
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.319
heard people say, you know, it didn't really have a neck.

486
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:31.920
It was built like a football player, and they're right.

487
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:39.279
This thing was just bodybuilder big. And when it turns,

488
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:41.720
we could get kind of its profile, and then you

489
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:46.039
saw the thickness of its body and its chest, and

490
00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:51.119
it was evident that There was no way that we

491
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:53.880
were looking at the bearer. There was no way we're

492
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.559
looking at some human or whatnot and just doing from

493
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:01.079
the area, both of the us looking at each other,

494
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.160
and we're just like, you know, that's a flipping bigfoot.

495
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.920
And I was in shock. He was in shock, and

496
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:12.000
it's time to go. And so as we're backing out

497
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.200
and getting ready to run, because we weren't far away

498
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.400
from the road in the truck at this point, this

499
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:24.960
thing kind of let out this maybe a growl or

500
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.599
a grunt. It was just this really low, kind of

501
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:32.160
weird I don't know if it was a last gag

502
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.039
or something, but it went and you could feel this

503
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.680
thing and it definitely saw us, because as soon as

504
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.240
it saw us and made this noise, it sat down

505
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.680
and you could tell that that motion was something that

506
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:53.039
it had done a hundred times too. It just was

507
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:56.079
instantly just this little ball and it almost went away.

508
00:31:56.160 --> 00:32:02.160
It almost looked like a rock. At that point, we're

509
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.640
just we were out of there. At that point, we

510
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.839
just had enough of that. I was just besides me

511
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.759
wetting myself a little bit and scared beyond the leaf,

512
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:18.160
and my friend being done with me hanging out. Wait, wait, wait,

513
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.519
let's look at this. You know, we'd have enough and

514
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:25.000
we're out, We're done. And so the slow backing up

515
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:29.720
turns into a full blown turnaround and run. Okay, and

516
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:35.599
so now we can hear this thing crashing through the brushes,

517
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:41.000
the buckbrush that it was in. It was in like however,

518
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:42.640
you look at it at the very start of it,

519
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.720
from the very end of it, because it didn't take

520
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:49.160
long for that thing to hit normal terrain, if you will,

521
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.680
with trees and you know, the Pacific Northwest pine trees

522
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:58.599
and tamarack and some cedar and the normal vegetation of

523
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:04.559
this thing. And we could just hear the thing going

524
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.160
and I thought it's chasing us, but it wasn't. It

525
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.279
was running away. And you could feel the ground and

526
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.599
almost shape with the weight of this thing. And the

527
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:24.200
speed was uncanny, you know. And I was fairly athletic, track, football,

528
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.400
all that stuff. I have a couple of district records,

529
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:29.759
maybe even stand. I don't know about that anymore, but

530
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:32.880
you know, I ran the four hundred and fifty flat

531
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:38.279
and I was considered pretty fast. This thing. It would

532
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.240
anybody that's ever seen a deer run. It would catch

533
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.759
a deer with ease, and not just because of the speed,

534
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.680
but just the overall power. It didn't matter if this

535
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:53.519
thing was going up or down, what kind of up

536
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.000
or down it was. It was just nothing but power,

537
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:02.960
speed agility. At the very end, when we were up

538
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:09.400
on the road getting in the truck, we could see

539
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:14.119
like the trees moving and it was over this hill

540
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:19.280
and it was gone. But the vegetation and everything, the

541
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.800
land and the whole environment was just so interrupted by

542
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:30.519
this bulldozer going through the woods like that. And that

543
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.880
was my first encounter. Was they was that right there? Now?

544
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:40.599
You know it changed the way I ever went into

545
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.440
the woods for my entire life camping. You know. I

546
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:48.119
wanted to share this with my kids, like my dad myself,

547
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.719
and so I kept that story quiet for a long time,

548
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.719
but they didn't want to scare them. I have two

549
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:57.000
daughters and they can't and fish and do their thing

550
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:00.599
now and they're not worried about it. As a father,

551
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.599
I worry about it a little bit. But you can't

552
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.840
look that stuff baby too badly, you know, you don't

553
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.840
want to. Just I feel bad for the stories and

554
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:14.280
the people that say that they just can't do it period.

555
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.440
At all ever anymore. And this wasn't even at night.

556
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.599
This is you know, probably eleven in the day before

557
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.960
noon because we were out there early. We got out

558
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.960
there not super early. Some hunters are out there track

559
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.800
dawn and you know, we're being done high school kids.

560
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:36.480
We're out there probably ten am. And it was about

561
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:41.280
an hour before we saw this, you know. And that

562
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.599
was my first encounter, was seeing something like this up there.

563
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.400
Miguel, that's absolutely that is intense, man. Thank you for

564
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.599
sharing that. Can you remind me real quick was this

565
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.760
in the actual Was this in the Sahela area then

566
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:00.000
that this all happened?

567
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.840
Yes, yes, So about eight miles away from Tuila, there's

568
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.920
another little town and we're talking little I think there's

569
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.880
maybe there's a tavern of post office in its store.

570
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:22.400
It's called Valley, Washington, and Valley is eight miles away

571
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.519
from Twela, and that's nothing in the world of hunting.

572
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.199
Eight miles from where I was, it's nothing. Some people

573
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:33.159
drive way into the woods, or from the Spokane Way

574
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:36.199
into the woods, you know, one hundred miles, eighty miles.

575
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.760
This is just a few miles from from my house.

576
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:41.880
So this is this is home cooking for me. You

577
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:51.639
know Valley, there's it's called Marble. There's another I don't

578
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.400
know if it's really designated or maybe a nickname, but

579
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.360
we all called it Iron Gates. And it was just

580
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.199
the Iron Gates that was kind of the end the

581
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.079
road above Waits Lake. People can look that up in

582
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:10.119
Valley Red Marble, Iron Gates, And I'm pretty sure it

583
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:15.199
was a Boise Cascade. It wasn't the Carville National Forest

584
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.599
because I got another story about Bigfoot there that is

585
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:23.960
above still in my parents' house past Tuila, you know,

586
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.159
tell a secret. That's where all the high school kegs

587
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:29.039
went down is in a place called the Meadows in

588
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.400
Carville National Forests. But the Iron Gates were just like

589
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:37.960
a Boise Cascade gate that you could drive no further

590
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.320
but was always open to hunting and whatnot. And so

591
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:49.280
that's where we were. We were probably at about maybe

592
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:53.440
four thousand under forty five hundred, between four thousand and

593
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:58.719
forty five hundred elevation. You could see the lake down below.

594
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:03.039
It's a beautiful country, but that's where we were at

595
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.360
when all this happened. In Stephen's County, Washington.

596
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.519
Do you remember when when you're taking it all in

597
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.760
you're you're there in the moment you see it happen.

598
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.559
Were you able to see any details of the face

599
00:38:20.960 --> 00:38:22.480
of the creature at all?

600
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:31.360
You know, yes and no. With all the obstruction and

601
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.920
all the adrenaline and all the just madness going down

602
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:40.000
your your mind. At first, I was just like, I

603
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.599
can't even believe this is true. This is And I

604
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.480
was excited too. I was like, it's real, It's real,

605
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.840
you know, I was. I was torn in so many

606
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.280
places in my head how to feel and how to

607
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.599
act in that instant's time, besides just being scared and

608
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.880
excited and your adrenaline and with fear and just all everything.

609
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.000
You know, there's a lot of people that saw, Oh

610
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.519
I wish I would have done that, or oh I

611
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.000
could have done that, or if I would have just

612
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.840
you know, but it's a time when that thing looked

613
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:15.119
over its shoulder and like I was describing, its no neck,

614
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:19.880
having a giant, big body upper just massive. It is

615
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:25.000
so hard to describe that. The only thing I've seen

616
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:28.760
that would make sense is a picture I saw of

617
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.239
somebody just on a YouTube online. Thing that was a

618
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:36.079
lady at a zoo feeding a polar bear, and she

619
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:40.400
had some food on a stick and was holding her

620
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.440
arm in the air with a stick to get up

621
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.800
to it, and this polar bear stood up. It just

622
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:49.760
absolutely dwarfed this woman. And that's the only thing I've

623
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:54.079
seen that would portray how big the thing was. But

624
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.719
I mean big, but I'm saying like maybe the height,

625
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:03.039
but it had the bear had nothing on the width

626
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:08.079
and the I think the most impressive thing was a

627
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.679
body shape was very human like, but not because it

628
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:17.519
was just so flipping huge. Now, the face the one

629
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.119
thing I can say, and I just went across it

630
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:23.880
early this year. People I'm sure will be able to

631
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:28.039
find this. I believe the man whose name is Todd Standing,

632
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.320
I think, and he's got a couple of pictures on

633
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.840
one of his shows of two different bigfoot that he caught,

634
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.840
and I believe he called the darker one Jake or

635
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:43.599
something like that. And I could say that it looked

636
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:53.639
like that. It was very dark. Its hair would sin

637
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.559
a little bit around the nose and mouth and the eyes,

638
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:01.079
but definitely like a full face of hair, if you will,

639
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:07.880
and I want to say hair. It seemed like the

640
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:12.440
facial hair would not be like a beard like people beard.

641
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:19.000
It was it was hair its head. Okay, I've got

642
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:23.199
I've got pretty long hair, and the way it hangs

643
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:28.559
on a human, it doesn't. It's not like that on

644
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:33.480
this creature. Not this thing I saw. It didn't look

645
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.639
like it had a haircut, obviously, but it was. It

646
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.079
didn't have hair going down its back, I guess, if

647
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.280
you will. On the head, it was just this fall.

648
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:46.679
It kind of had a conical shape that people talk about,

649
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:52.880
but not not so much. It wasn't a human head.

650
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:59.360
It wasn't the real conical point in this kind of head.

651
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.159
It had to look kind of like that, but but

652
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.000
but more human. And it was so dark. I couldn't

653
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:12.519
really get any definition of any eyes. I didn't see

654
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.679
any whites at all. I saw its nose in his mouth.

655
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.039
I did never see any teeth. It didn't. It didn't

656
00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:22.880
have any expression on its face, it seemed. And it

657
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:29.239
was super short experience that that I could see that

658
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:33.000
kind of angle, if you will, to the way it

659
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:37.039
turned and looked. It wasn't looking right at me. We

660
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.039
weren't square face to face, you know, it was kind

661
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:46.039
of turned. But the picture that, like I said, I

662
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.719
believe his name is Todd Standings. The did Jake Bigfoot

663
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:53.320
that he that he gets the picture of the dark One.

664
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.679
It was like that if anybody had seen that picture,

665
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.320
have you seen a picture of do you know what

666
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.440
I'm talking about, Jeraln do?

667
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.960
And I was going to comment that it is interesting

668
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.760
that that has come up. I think this is about

669
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.760
the third or fourth time where witnesses have specifically mentioned

670
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:19.360
that individual that with mister Standing so very very strange

671
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.360
things indeed, that it keeps being brought up, and it

672
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.760
sounds like it's a thing where I mean, to be honest,

673
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:28.880
you're not one hundred percent sure of his name. You

674
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:35.119
know it is Todd Standing, though, you are correct, but yeah, yeah,

675
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:40.719
oh my goodness, what yeah, wild wild wild stuff. So

676
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:46.079
you've already mentioned that you are that you're sensitive in

677
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:53.000
different ways to things growing up. Did this encounter change

678
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:57.719
any of that or bring things out in your life

679
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.920
or what was your reaction and how did your life

680
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.119
change after having this encounter?

681
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:10.519
Wow, I've never been asked that, great question, brother, It

682
00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:17.400
totally did. In hindsight. Besides the fact that going in

683
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:19.840
the woods was a different, different game at this point,

684
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.760
you know, uh, that was definitely a thing. But as

685
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:28.639
far as the sensitivity in any of that. I believe

686
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.480
it didn't really bring it on any harder, but it

687
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:35.519
definitely made me realize that a lot of the things

688
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:39.360
that were happening in my life, and that I was

689
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:41.639
still really young when you're out of high school and

690
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:46.159
being that I'm sick before now, and there's things that

691
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.440
have happened to me and whatnot with remote viewing and

692
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.079
other psychic things and craziness that have been around you

693
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:02.559
with my friends and I. It let me know that

694
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.320
this bigfoot was real. Like that, then a lot of

695
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.880
other things could definitely be real because up until that time,

696
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:14.280
you know, I was on board with the idea, you know,

697
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:21.119
especially now being able to have this technology shared and

698
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.280
being able to hear the woops and the wood knock

699
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.239
and the house and screams. We grew up with that.

700
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:33.239
Those wood knocks were like almost every time we went

701
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:35.800
in the woods. I mean, the wood knock was just like,

702
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.920
oh yeah, it was not a big deal. But but

703
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:43.360
now you're like, hey, wait a minute, that was no joke.

704
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:48.159
That was a wood knock of this creature. And now

705
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:53.800
I know that creature is real because of my first experience,

706
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:59.480
and so I now know that is that is real,

707
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.400
then a lot of other stuff could be real, and

708
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.360
a lot of things that have happened to me. It

709
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:11.239
happened that my memory recalls real or gout to be real.

710
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.599
The second thing that I've see in the woods, I

711
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.679
was about twenty seven years old. I was so scared.

712
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:25.199
I called him home to Mama. I was upon Mount Spocan.

713
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:32.280
I love bicycles, and I was fortunate enough to land

714
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.199
a job right out of high school when I moved

715
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.079
from Tuelad to Spokan at a place called Garland Cycle.

716
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:47.719
And Garland Cycle was a third generation twin shop, and

717
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:49.760
so it was really fun to me for me to

718
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:54.000
learn a lot about just a history of twin and

719
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.519
more about the bikes and mountain bikes were coming on,

720
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:59.800
you know, and I kind of left the DMX thing

721
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:05.239
and worked at this bike shop with mountain bikes. So

722
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.000
now I'm in the mountains on a mountain bike. And

723
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:15.559
Mount Spokane hosted the nationals oh Man, it was years ago.

724
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:17.920
I think it named me the ninety four or ninety

725
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.760
six ish, So there was lots of mountain I can

726
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:26.599
go down in this area. And I was with another

727
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:33.159
buddy or two and they had taken off to go

728
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:37.159
get the car because I had just crashed and my

729
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:41.360
rear wheel was done. And I did what I could.

730
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:44.119
I had a spoke prints with me and trying to

731
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:47.559
get this thing around again, and it was popping spokes

732
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:50.400
and it wasn't sitting through the frame anymore, and I

733
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:53.880
couldn't manipulate this pringle of a wheel any longer. And

734
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.880
we worked that far from the car, so they were like, hey,

735
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:00.199
we're just going to go down get the car, take

736
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.039
the carcass of his bike down if you don't want

737
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:06.320
to drag it down and walk, and we're I maede

738
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:09.760
four hundred yards in the car, you could you could

739
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:11.480
almost see the park and well we could see the

740
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.719
edge of the parking lot. It's called Kirk's Lodge. I'm

741
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.159
out Spokane, you know. It's it's gone through a different owner,

742
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:24.559
but I believe it's still Kirk's Lodge. So the way

743
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.400
to go and I'm kind of kicking rocks some little

744
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:30.440
this planet. I'm looking at my wounds and like, okay,

745
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:32.599
I'm okay. That was that was still, you know. I

746
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.519
just crashed and got it, and so I take my

747
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.280
helmet off. I was wearing a full faced helmet, and

748
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.079
I'm carrying this helmet. I've got this camel back on

749
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.920
with some water, and I eat this cliff bar and

750
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.679
I'm walking, you know, about halfway down, and I get

751
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:56.000
this feeling again, and my hairs go up on my

752
00:48:56.159 --> 00:49:00.280
neck and my arms. And there wasn't any smell or

753
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.599
anything like the first time this whole thing happened. But

754
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.400
I instantly went back to that and I'm like, Okay,

755
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:11.239
my body's telling me something. I've already seen this. This

756
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:15.719
isn't this, this is not to be taken lightly. What

757
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.400
do I need to do? And I start looking around,

758
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.000
and if you're seeing something through the woods, depending on

759
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:27.079
how far it is, you start kind of bottling, weaving

760
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.079
your head, maybe your knees, and you're kind of chucking

761
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.960
and driving to see maybe over a limb or through

762
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.360
the trees or branches, and you're you spot something, you're

763
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.400
kind of you're kind of moving it to get a

764
00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.880
better look just a little, you know. My head's bob

765
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:45.159
and I'm like, what am I seeing here? And I

766
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:50.599
see this outline of the shape, and at first I'm like, okay,

767
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.360
it's not dark, it's not black, it's not very big

768
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.760
it's not big for Okay, I'm cool, but I'm looking

769
00:49:56.800 --> 00:50:03.000
at this thing. It's about i'd say, three hundred yards away,

770
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:08.559
slightly downhill. I'm on a trail, so I got a

771
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:11.480
little bit of opening around me. But as I'm looking

772
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:15.800
through this thing, I can see a shape, is all.

773
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:22.679
And as I'm starting to, you know, Bobby breathe my head,

774
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:28.000
this flipping thing mimics me. And when it did that

775
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.920
and I saw it kind of just move up and

776
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.159
down like I was, it freaked me out so bad.

777
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.480
Excuse me. I just got adrenaline dump on that one.

778
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:50.000
And I'm sweating right now. Wow. So this thing starts

779
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:55.599
to minic me, and I remember kind of standing up

780
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:59.400
straight and I believe I crossed my arms and I

781
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:02.440
kind of did like the head shaped like no, and

782
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:08.119
it's I couldn't I couldn't see it a head per se,

783
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:13.639
but I could see like a like a silhouette or

784
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.400
a body shape. It was just it was hard to

785
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.400
see because of where it was, but you could see

786
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.400
the like that you can see the environment kind of moving.

787
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:31.679
It's really hard to describe it. The closest thing I

788
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:35.159
could say it was like if you see the Terminator movie,

789
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.320
and you see that thing, you kind of see this

790
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.800
clear sea through sort of shapely deal, but it was

791
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:49.519
more solid than that. It wasn't transparent. It's it's so

792
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.159
hard to describe. It had kind of a color maybe

793
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:57.599
to it, like a light gray ish like elephent skin,

794
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.519
kind of like that. No hair, nothing, And when I

795
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:05.039
shook my head, no, it meant me, and it started

796
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.480
to vibrate like it was shaking its head no, so

797
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.199
fast that it just dissipated and then nothing, it disappeared.

798
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.480
I was staring right at it, and at that point

799
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:23.239
I'm running, I'm like, no way. Well, in that era,

800
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.840
mountain bikes had what they call clipless pedals, and my

801
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.039
shoes had a cleat on the bottom of them that

802
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.079
were dedicated to click in the pedals, like a ska

803
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:35.960
binding in a way, and so they're not normal shoes.

804
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.679
And I'm running. You know, I'm a young man, I'm

805
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.199
in shape, but I can't run fast enough and I

806
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:47.039
wound up eating it. I fall down because I can't

807
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:51.360
keep up myself running. I'm so sick and scared and

808
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:56.639
I fall and that scares me even worse. And I

809
00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:59.800
don't really I was so tripped out at that time

810
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:03.679
that I don't remember so much the last couple hundred yards,

811
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:08.480
but I just popped out of the trail on the

812
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.639
parking lot there at Kirk's Lodge. And my friends look

813
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:12.679
at me and they're like, what is going on with you?

814
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:15.639
And I was like, I saw something in the woods.

815
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.400
I don't know what it was. It just made this

816
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:23.440
weird vibrating thing and it just disappeared. I don't know

817
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:25.519
what to say. And they're close friends of mine, and

818
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.440
so I'm not scared of telling him what I'm telling him.

819
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.039
And my other buddy had seen some stuff. He grew

820
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:38.519
up in Callville, which is maybe another thirty miles north

821
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.639
towards Canada, and there are some wether twin two and

822
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:46.840
he's also a hunter and whatnot, and he goes, he goes, man,

823
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:50.360
I've heard some things around you know, Spokane, and there's

824
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:53.280
a lot of people that say, you know, bigfoot, And

825
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:54.960
I'm like, no, no, no, it's not a big foot. Man,

826
00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:00.280
It wasn't. It was not that. And we just all

827
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.559
just they already had stuff in the car and we

828
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:07.519
jumped in the car and we're done. I'm out. When

829
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:11.400
I get back to Spokane. I'm still so scared. I

830
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:15.639
call my mom, Mom, you know, I'm scared. I can't

831
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:18.760
believe what I saw and this that she was. She's

832
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:22.239
passed now, but she was always very motherly and very

833
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:24.360
caring and willing to listen to whatever I had to

834
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.639
say because she had her and my dad had their

835
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:34.039
own moments too, and so my kids. And that kind

836
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.360
of gets me into the paranormal thing where you also

837
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:42.000
hear sometimes that maybe people think that certain things happened

838
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:48.199
to generations, if you will, or maybe sensitivity passed on

839
00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:54.679
things like that. But she was very open and listen

840
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:56.880
to me and could tell that I was. I was

841
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.880
in tears, you know, I'm twenty seven years old and

842
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:03.119
crying like a baby to my mommy. That's how bad

843
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:04.840
this thing scared me. It scared me worse than the

844
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:07.920
big flood experience did because I couldn't tell what it

845
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:13.079
was and it didn't do anything even part of this world.

846
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.440
I don't think. The way it vibrated and shook its

847
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:21.239
body until it went in nothing. I don't even know

848
00:55:21.239 --> 00:55:23.280
how to explain it. I don't even know what to

849
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.920
say anymore than what I just said. That's what happened

850
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.320
the Wednesday, and I can say, and I've asked permission.

851
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:34.639
His name is Eric Johnson. I've told this exact story

852
00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:38.280
amongst my friends. And as I'm saying this in the past,

853
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.800
about ten years ago, my buddy Eric shows me his

854
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.039
arm and he's like, look and he goes, wait, wait, wait,

855
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:48.199
and he runs in his bedroom. He comes back with

856
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:53.760
this rifle. He's seventy three, and I'm like, okay, what's

857
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:55.840
this have to do with my story? And he goes, dude,

858
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.599
I saw the same thing exactly how you said it.

859
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:03.159
And he goes when he said elephant skin, that's when

860
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.760
I was like, whoa. And he shows me this rifle

861
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:11.760
that was this late dad's that was given him, and

862
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:15.000
he said he was armed, he had this rifle with them.

863
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:17.840
And as he's showing me this thing, I noticed that

864
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:23.079
it's bent. The barrel of his rifle was bent because

865
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.079
he was so scared running when he fell down, he

866
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:30.760
bent the barrel of that done. And him and eye

867
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:33.920
story are almost I mean, they are exactly the same

868
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.480
as far as the way I described that. You know,

869
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.840
he had the same experience about fifteen miles away from

870
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:49.000
where I was, about two years after my experience with that.

871
00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:55.000
Was that some wild stuff. Miguel, My goodness, I've never

872
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:56.519
heard anything like that before.

873
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:03.000
Yeah, I mean yeah, like I said earlier before we

874
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:06.840
started recording, you know, depending on how this conversation goes,

875
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:15.159
my life has been filled with stuff like that, and

876
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:21.519
to skip a bunch of stories to fast forward, I

877
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.320
have well, I don't even know what to say. It's

878
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:28.880
so sad. I have had, I don't know, a best

879
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:32.360
friend for the last twenty five years that I have

880
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:36.079
talked to and seen nearly every day. I asked him

881
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:46.800
to be the godfather and my kids. Excuse me, I

882
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:51.079
haven't seen it for two years. The last thing he

883
00:57:51.119 --> 00:58:00.639
said to me was sorry, he said, and you go,

884
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:08.119
I'm going to protect you and left. Well, I hadn't

885
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.559
totally asked for version because I actually haven't seen him,

886
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:17.000
so I can't totally say a whole lot, but I

887
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:21.519
can say that he sold his house, had a lot

888
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:28.599
of strange things going on that night that he left

889
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:34.639
and said, Miguel, I'm going to protect you. He was

890
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.840
showing my wife and my one daughter, myself. There was

891
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:44.840
four of us including him, you know, him, my wife, Arian, myself,

892
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:49.159
and my daughter. Samara. I'll standing there looking at his

893
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.360
phone and showing me these new sets of cameras that

894
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:56.760
he had, and something came on camera and there was

895
00:58:56.800 --> 00:59:00.519
nothing to be seen. It was his kitchen, And like

896
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:03.079
I said, I can't say a whole lot without his permission.

897
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:06.159
I don't think I don't know what's going on yet.

898
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:09.679
I want to protect ten as much as he said

899
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:12.760
he could have protect me. But there was something on

900
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:16.360
that camera that sounded just like myself and my wife's voice,

901
00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:21.840
but it wasn't us. And we had a lot of

902
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.199
I can tell you some stories about that house. I

903
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:28.679
don't know what the heck, but just about three weeks

904
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.880
ago I couldn't take it anymore. I wrote a six

905
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:37.079
page letter to the person that lives there now about

906
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:42.519
things that went on to that house and the last straw,

907
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:48.000
if you will. My twin brother is very handy. He

908
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:53.880
was helping my buddy build walls and redo the basement

909
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:58.000
in ruis selling this house. In long story short, as

910
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:00.639
he was sitting there in the job around a five

911
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:04.119
gollon bucket, my brother was rolling up an extension cord

912
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:10.800
and I've asked him permission and he said, go ahead.

913
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:16.159
My twin brother's name is Mark Mark and Mike Marcos Miguel.

914
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:21.320
He's sitting on his bucket and looks to his left

915
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:26.039
and they're staring at him as a little gray alien. No,

916
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.480
that's a whole story when it's is in itself that

917
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:35.039
I can tell if anybody wants to hear. But my

918
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.559
buddy had had so many crazy things happen at that house,

919
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:41.920
and that was the last straw, and he has sold

920
01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.760
that house. I haven't seen him. I don't know where

921
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:51.280
he went. I don't know where he is. I don't know.

922
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:55.039
I really would like to call his parents and go

923
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:57.360
there and just ask and go, Okay, I don't know.

924
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:02.280
So I sent this six page letters to the person

925
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:07.119
that lives there now and told him some things because

926
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:12.119
as a father, I just I couldn't handle a thought

927
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:19.920
of if a new person has a family. I just

928
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:23.559
had to tell him whoever, you know, And the person

929
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.079
reached out to me after, you know, I've given my

930
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:29.960
phone number and whatnot, and to be fair, I've gave

931
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.480
him my address because I knew his address. I don't

932
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:34.840
know this man's name. I don't even know if it

933
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.079
was a man that responded to me. It was texting

934
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:40.880
through the phone and he said or she said that

935
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:45.000
they were using Google to protect the phone. And I

936
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:48.719
told him two or three stories, and you know, about

937
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:53.599
the gray alien and things about that house. And person

938
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:58.719
said that they've had no issues and whatnot. So that's awesome.

939
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:02.280
But that was just a few weeks ago.

940
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:10.119
I mean, Wow, you're going through a lot, Miguel. This

941
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:12.559
is a lot that you go through.

942
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:17.079
Man, Dude, you have no idea.

943
01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:20.360
I don't. Yeah, I know, this is just the tip

944
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.039
of it, you know, a tip of the iceberg.

945
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:24.800
One of the things with my life in the last

946
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:29.679
few years is indirect. Well, I got hurt at work,

947
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:35.599
and this is hard. I'm gonna trying to cry on

948
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:40.079
this one. I lost both legs. I am now at

949
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:52.079
double amputee and I've been in my room for a

950
01:02:52.119 --> 01:03:00.320
long time years, and so I've been wanting in these

951
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:03.159
podcasts and interesting things and trying to keep my mind

952
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:10.280
somewhere else. I've always liked to learn, and watching your

953
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:25.239
podcast with Martin Croves it totally changed my life. I

954
01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:31.000
used to be very religious, and I got away from

955
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:36.119
it for a long time because the stories in the

956
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:39.320
Bible were just too much. They're too outlanders for me

957
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:42.119
at the time, and I thought to myself, this can

958
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:47.480
be real. And there were other things, but that was

959
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:51.760
basically the game bones I had to pick with the Bible,

960
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:55.639
if you will, where I just couldn't believe it. Well,

961
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:01.559
hearing the podcast with you and Martin and just that

962
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:07.440
man's demeanor, I believe him nine million percent that he's

963
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:12.679
telling the absolute truth about his experience in Tennessee and

964
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:19.480
Kentucky with dog Man and whatnot. H excuse me, sorry.

965
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:26.920
Like I said, I'm a pretty sensitive guy. Uh. Hearing

966
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:33.800
that story in the podcast, it made me dive in

967
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:40.599
big time. I've listened to hundreds of podcasts, hundreds, but

968
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:46.559
I mean not just yours, but anything that seems to

969
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:49.519
be interesting. I just I just love to listen to

970
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:54.960
this stuff in. I feel so sensitive with Martin's story

971
01:04:55.079 --> 01:05:03.480
because he always said God bless and the way he

972
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:07.719
recited that prayer, in the way he said that it

973
01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:10.519
was the thing that gave him strengths, that changed his

974
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:13.599
life and maybe saved his life. I can tell you

975
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:19.280
if Martin never heard this, that his story has saved

976
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:25.719
my life with our Lord Jesus Christ, because I believe him,

977
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:29.920
and if that discuss real and it is that the

978
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:34.920
Bible has to be real. And so for the last

979
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:41.920
maybe four months, I've been religiously praying again and they've

980
01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:44.719
gotten back to my roots with the Lord. And I

981
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:52.719
can't thank him enough for that. Sorry, excuse me, he's

982
01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.679
tears of joy. Just so everybody knows, And I hope

983
01:05:55.679 --> 01:06:01.079
you don't edit this out. I want to be taken seriously.

984
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:07.000
I mean one hundred percent, not exaggerating or embarrassing any

985
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:13.639
of these stories in any way. And I have plenty

986
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:18.239
of friends and people who have around me to verify

987
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.280
this stuff. And if I can say anything to anybody

988
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:25.679
that's listening to this, that in our world is way

989
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:29.920
more profound than we all think. I just want to

990
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:35.199
let everybody know that that the world is so profound

991
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:37.639
that a lot of the things that you hear that

992
01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:41.960
you might scoff at, you might want not scoff that

993
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:43.960
you might want to listen to these people, especially if

994
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:49.920
you're talking about Bigfoot, because you know Todd Standing's pictures.

995
01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:53.320
I don't know what people want more than that. I mean,

996
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:57.280
you can tell those pictures are real. I don't know.

997
01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:03.280
I've never been fooled by any AI computer generated stuff.

998
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:06.480
You can tell when that stuff is not real, at

999
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:09.440
least I think I can. You know, there's some stuff

1000
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.840
that's definitely two. You know, it's just you can tell.

1001
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:17.039
Those pictures that that man has got of those two

1002
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:23.639
bigfoot those are real. And not only because I saw

1003
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.440
one that looked like that, the creature he calls Jake,

1004
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:33.159
but also because growing up in Chuila, I worked at

1005
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:36.719
a place that is now a casino Indian Reservation. Right,

1006
01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:40.679
it was just a Bengal hall back then. There were

1007
01:07:40.719 --> 01:07:43.639
no machines and all that stuff, you know, dating myself

1008
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:47.559
a little here now, but out of high school, working

1009
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:49.679
at a Bengal hall, you're like a waiter. People are

1010
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:53.280
sitting down playing dingo, so you know, I'm their legs.

1011
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:57.360
I'm getting their full tabs or their lunch or you know,

1012
01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.480
running around and giving them some coffee order out of

1013
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:05.159
the high school. And that was my job well, and

1014
01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:12.360
that was Indian Reservation whatever. I had the opportunity I've

1015
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.880
worked there for some time to kind of move up

1016
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:17.000
and get off the floor and not be a waiter.

1017
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:22.239
And I was given the opportunity to handle all their

1018
01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:26.920
money as a high school student. My mom worked there

1019
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:34.159
as well in the advertising marketing world. And every Friday

1020
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:41.720
afternoon we were followed by a state trooper and a

1021
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:45.079
res cop as we call it reservation police officer to

1022
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:49.560
the bank in Tuila given I won't say how much money,

1023
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:53.800
but a lot, and followed to the Bengal Hall. We

1024
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:56.159
called it just the edge of Tuila, which is now

1025
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.880
called Spokane Indian. We call it Spokane Indian Bingo back

1026
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.239
and it's now called Chuila Casino. I believe they just

1027
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:07.039
built a hotel and expanding and they've got gas stations. Now.

1028
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:11.600
It's a whole different world that working there for the

1029
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:17.199
years that I did, and then handling their money. I

1030
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:22.640
have their trust to do that as a young man,

1031
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:25.439
you know, I was in high school doing this stuff.

1032
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:30.600
I'm good with maths and helped to write a lot

1033
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:34.199
of the programs. And I'm really pretty proud of this.

1034
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:38.399
And I can't totally remember. It's either between eleven or thirteen.

1035
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:42.119
It's under fifteen, but I think I've counted thirteen people.

1036
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:46.319
I remember thirteen of us were able to for the

1037
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:53.079
first time make that spoken tribe of Indians enough money

1038
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:57.039
that their people's were able to receive like a per

1039
01:09:57.039 --> 01:10:00.680
capita check. There's a lot of other Indians have had

1040
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:04.079
and they have never had until that Dingle Hall made

1041
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:10.039
money and I wrote the programs to Rexamp and were

1042
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:11.640
able to make that place a lot of money. But

1043
01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:13.520
because of the trust that I had and the friends

1044
01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:17.000
that I made, there are a few other high school

1045
01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:20.479
students there that were living on the Indian rest that

1046
01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:24.439
I've had a lot of information told me, just like

1047
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:29.439
the word scook them, that's the Sachalous word for bigfoot.

1048
01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:33.359
And you know, my name is Miguel, and I'm the

1049
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:36.880
Spanish descent, and I've got long black hair, and I'm dark,

1050
01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:40.760
and I kind of look negatives probably am my mom

1051
01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:44.520
was adopted and you know it's a whole other story

1052
01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:51.199
too anyway, So you know, the trusted me, and so

1053
01:10:51.279 --> 01:10:56.439
I was pretty to a lot of information. And that

1054
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.840
gets into the bigfoot world too. So I've been told

1055
01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:08.880
that the reason why you smell different smells is the

1056
01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:15.600
time of the year that they hibernate is also conducive

1057
01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:22.279
with the time of the year. Maybe not the time

1058
01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:27.760
of the year, but when the female Bigfoot ovulate and

1059
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:34.000
are readable, and the smells that one might smell have

1060
01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:39.199
to do with a male or a female. And also

1061
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:44.479
that I was told by Indian owners of the Spokane tribe.

1062
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:50.319
There's twelve bands of the Spokane Indians, is what I'm

1063
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:55.079
aware of that go into Also, I'm sure you've heard

1064
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:57.720
of the Kalispell because there's a lot of bigfoot stories

1065
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:03.760
Kalispell Indians. There's also all the Indians Okanagan, but the

1066
01:12:04.159 --> 01:12:07.680
Spokane and Okanagan reds. It's quite large and pierced up

1067
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:12.279
into Canada and gets into some rough terrain. And some

1068
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:16.800
friends of mine like to kind of flaps their rights

1069
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:20.880
as tribal people and be on horseback and they can

1070
01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:25.239
cross the border. Maybe not so much now, but back

1071
01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:29.520
then at will on horseback. You know, they didn't really

1072
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:33.479
have to. It was their, their Indian land, and they

1073
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.279
were going to do they wanted on that land. And

1074
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:38.920
so for some of those people to be up in

1075
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:43.720
the woods where absolutely no manland is, they were there.

1076
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.640
And you know, I believe them when they were telling

1077
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:50.880
me these was bigfoot stuff, especially after I saw one,

1078
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:59.600
you know, like the way I did and whatnot, and

1079
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:02.720
you know, that was quite interesting. I was. I was

1080
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:08.239
just flabbergasted that they were saying such a particular information

1081
01:13:08.319 --> 01:13:10.760
that I haven't really heard before. I don't know if

1082
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:15.039
anybody has made that association. But I was told that

1083
01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:21.960
the stanch, the putrid smell that you may experience with

1084
01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:28.960
the Bigfoot creature is taken as a sign of wealth

1085
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:33.920
and uh an enticing thing to a female Bigfoot because

1086
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:38.279
the rotten meat sort of smell is supposed to be

1087
01:13:40.520 --> 01:13:43.359
taken as as I was told, like bigfoots got it

1088
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:45.680
going on. He's got a lot of food. He stinks

1089
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:49.760
so much, He's got so much food. And they say

1090
01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:52.960
that the femalees are attracted to that, and so I

1091
01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:56.720
kind of affiliate that with deer in the rut. They

1092
01:13:56.720 --> 01:14:00.680
stink and it's a it's a our our own thing,

1093
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:10.560
you know. And then the uh the way that I

1094
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:16.199
was told that they hibernate, and they hibernate not so

1095
01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:19.439
much of the season, but I was told that they

1096
01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:28.880
hibernate depending on the families woman's bigfoot ovulating and if

1097
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:33.680
there's another Bigfoot tribe in the area, that the Bigfoot

1098
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:38.359
tribe when it's their turn, if you will, they will

1099
01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:47.359
go and hibernate, not to disrupt another bigfoots opportunity to breed,

1100
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:53.239
because there's no competition, and I thought that was interesting

1101
01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:57.800
and it makes kind of sense to me. And I've

1102
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:02.439
never heard that information before. More but I was told

1103
01:15:02.680 --> 01:15:07.560
many things about Bigfoot and you know, other creatures of

1104
01:15:07.600 --> 01:15:09.640
the world and what it meant. You know what means

1105
01:15:09.760 --> 01:15:12.720
going to hawk fies by you in front of you

1106
01:15:12.800 --> 01:15:18.600
and a crow and coyotes and wolves and owls, big,

1107
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:21.279
big time owl. A lot of information about olf and

1108
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:25.600
Native Americans, for sure. And if you go into Chuila,

1109
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:28.239
right there on city hall, right on the I mean

1110
01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:33.439
it's one stoplight in five minutes and Chuila's done. It's small,

1111
01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:37.720
but right there on the five pierces the town right

1112
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:42.680
and half on the city hall painted is a portrait

1113
01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:45.840
of an Indian person nail with his head dress and

1114
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:49.319
everything but his arms open and I believe he's holding

1115
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:52.079
a spear, maybe a bow. He's in his full dress

1116
01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:57.000
and his arms were open. And it's this valley and

1117
01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:01.079
there's wooly mammoth and the creatures and in this canyon

1118
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:07.039
represents that stuff. And like I said earlier, Shuila is

1119
01:16:08.159 --> 01:16:10.920
Valley of the Snake or Valley of the serpent. And

1120
01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:15.199
you know, growing up up there kind of like being

1121
01:16:15.199 --> 01:16:17.199
a farm kid in a way, and we buffed hay

1122
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:19.760
and took care of animals and stuff. And one of

1123
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:23.319
my first jobs it was horrible. Oh. We were in

1124
01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:26.800
a dirt field dragging a trailer with no wheels, was

1125
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:31.359
just a flat board thing, s gift thing, and we

1126
01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:33.880
were to pick rocks out of the field and anything

1127
01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:38.439
bigger than a softball or whatever, throw it on the trailer.

1128
01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:42.079
And we're picking rocks. But we found a lot of arrowheads,

1129
01:16:42.720 --> 01:16:46.359
a lot of mortar and pestles and we donated them

1130
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:49.720
to the little two in the museum that's there whatnot.

1131
01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:55.039
And so Indian lore and Indian influence and stories and

1132
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:57.680
elders telling me stuff. I was really took that stuff

1133
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:02.680
to heart and seriously. And they don't share they they

1134
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:05.439
are very private peoples and a lot of stuff as

1135
01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:11.079
people know. And for them to teach you some words

1136
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:15.399
and to teach me some of their stuff and to

1137
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.640
hear that information about Bigfoot and whatever, because I told

1138
01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:24.439
that story and one of the people that was listening

1139
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:28.680
to me at the time he's passed. Unfortunately, his name

1140
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:37.640
is wrong to Terrass, be wrong to Terrash. He's from

1141
01:17:37.720 --> 01:17:40.800
a pretty big native family of will Pennant Washington there

1142
01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:45.760
and he had his wake. There was kind of invite

1143
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:50.439
only and it was intens Now, some of the songs

1144
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:53.640
that you'll hear, you know, the powwow or whatever you

1145
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:57.840
ever heard that, you know, natives singing and pounding your

1146
01:17:57.880 --> 01:18:00.399
drum and all that stuff, and the wailing that they do.

1147
01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:04.279
There's also a song that the whaling that they do

1148
01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:10.079
is to imitate some of the whaling that bigfoot sounds like.

1149
01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:13.720
And when they do that, they're honoring the totem pole

1150
01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:18.199
and different things. And when you look at a totem pole,

1151
01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:26.279
the totem pole, the very lowest figurehead is compared to

1152
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:30.399
what they find most important to them, and as they

1153
01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:37.159
go up, you know, it means different things. So when

1154
01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:40.479
I heard that the song that they were doing was

1155
01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.640
kind of a feature that the whaling that they did

1156
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:51.079
and whatnot and the sounds that you can find online

1157
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.000
with some of the stuff. Because they're human, they can't

1158
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:58.239
do it, but you can definitely tell that they're trying

1159
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:02.079
to mimic some of the sounds and the wailing that

1160
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:10.279
those creatures make. And also for listeners out there, not

1161
01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:16.960
always are those bigfoot sounds totally bigfoot sounds. You have

1162
01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:22.079
to be careful. I believe because I also think and

1163
01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:26.439
have been told that there's two kinds of Bigfoot, and

1164
01:19:26.479 --> 01:19:30.920
that touches into the flush and phone bigfoot and the

1165
01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.880
paranormal Bigfoot. Where you hear about orbs, you hear about

1166
01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:40.640
maybe even a Bigfoot being around an orb. You know.

1167
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:45.399
Martin Groves described as hunter friends seeing two orange orbs.

1168
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:50.680
Now orange has to do. I've been told to the

1169
01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:57.720
elders of the Indians that the orange depicts the spiritual

1170
01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:08.920
traveling more uh. They described it as an older, more

1171
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:15.239
sacred spiritual not always of this realm Bigfoot. And that's

1172
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:19.880
the picture of the orange one that you see in

1173
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:25.319
Todd Standing's picture, that orange Bigfoot. If you see those

1174
01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:29.800
two bigfoot, look that bigfoot again. Then you go back

1175
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:32.399
to the fact that I was trying to explain that

1176
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:37.640
the fur is different than hair. You know, the way

1177
01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:43.399
that Jake Bigfoot looks is similar, but nothing like that

1178
01:20:43.439 --> 01:20:49.239
orange one. That orange one has got. Besides orange, the

1179
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:54.840
nose is different, the mouth is different, the face structure

1180
01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:57.199
is a little different. The way the hair grows on

1181
01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.640
the face is totally different. When you look at the

1182
01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:02.640
top of the head of the orange one. The way

1183
01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:06.239
the hair is, it reminds me of the little toys

1184
01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:09.079
with the little crazy hairdew. It used to be when

1185
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:10.800
I was a kid. They were called trolls and their

1186
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.199
little TENTSI pops and it's spin the tencil and hair

1187
01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.079
freak out and it's kind of funny. Ha ha. Well,

1188
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:21.720
that weird kind of hair is what's on the orange one,

1189
01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:25.000
and that's more like fur. The dark one has more

1190
01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:31.079
like hair. Now, the orange one, I've been told is

1191
01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:36.520
from an orange orb. And when you look at the

1192
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:41.600
picture of that orange one, that one scares me. The

1193
01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:45.840
way the eyes are, the way the thing looks, and

1194
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:52.760
it's just almost emotionless. That one is the one to

1195
01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:56.640
worry about. And I've been told that those are the ones.

1196
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:03.359
As Todd said. There now you get into a biblical

1197
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:09.800
thing and watchers and whatnot. There's another video that I've

1198
01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:13.600
seen of mister Groves talking to some people, and for

1199
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:18.920
just a quick second he alludes that he respects the

1200
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:23.600
Mormon community. He doesn't really get into it too much,

1201
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:28.079
but he's trying to drop a hint. Now, I've got

1202
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:33.840
a friend that is very religious in the Mormon stuff,

1203
01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:40.199
and they keep secrets big time. Now if you're into

1204
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:47.000
that Mormon and you know that Freemasonry is very similar

1205
01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:49.439
in a lot of ways to Mormons, and one of

1206
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:54.560
the things is keeping secrets. Now, we were talking one

1207
01:22:54.640 --> 01:23:00.279
day about Bigfoot and stuff like that, and he's got

1208
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:04.279
his own experiences and beliefs, and he was so careful

1209
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:08.000
that we're at a job site. It was ready for lunch.

1210
01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:11.640
We're in the truck. As we're talking, he turns the

1211
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:15.640
truck on, turns the radio on, leans over and whispers

1212
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:18.800
this and in my ear because he's that trying to

1213
01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:23.159
be secretive in it about it. And he told me

1214
01:23:24.159 --> 01:23:31.359
that certain woman beliefs are that Bigfoot is one of

1215
01:23:31.399 --> 01:23:34.800
the cursed to walk the earth in the story of

1216
01:23:35.000 --> 01:23:36.000
Able and Cain.

1217
01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:40.079
I have heard that before, and it is I'm not

1218
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:46.840
one that is very knowledgeable in that religion, but I

1219
01:23:47.319 --> 01:23:49.960
have heard that before. It's very very interesting if you

1220
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:50.880
look into that story.

1221
01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:59.680
Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah, I don't know who knows.

1222
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:03.520
I think that story might stick in a lot of ways.

1223
01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:08.000
But again, with this technology and the sharing that's going on,

1224
01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:11.359
we now know that, you know, it's just not Patty

1225
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:14.079
in California, like Martin says, you know, it's just not

1226
01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:18.039
that they're all over the place, you know, everywhere. And

1227
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:23.399
I think that bigfoots would be a lot like humans

1228
01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:30.000
as far as Native Americans, African Americans, Norwegians, Latinos. There's

1229
01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:33.720
just different kind you know, different offspring. And I think

1230
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:37.199
they've been here since the dawn of time, and it's

1231
01:24:37.359 --> 01:24:41.800
just the technology now has kind of caught up to

1232
01:24:41.840 --> 01:24:44.479
the point where you're seeing texters and people are sharing

1233
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:48.600
stories and the taboo has been lost. I think almost.

1234
01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:51.960
I don't know any any friend of mine that has

1235
01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:55.800
a story. They'll spit it out, you know, maybe because

1236
01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:59.520
I'm trustworthy and my friends, but the taboo and cliche

1237
01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.960
seems to he's going away. Would you not agree that you?

1238
01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:07.359
Oh, yeah, yeah, We're at the point everyone it can

1239
01:25:07.399 --> 01:25:12.079
share it. It's not a problem one hundred per miguel.

1240
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:15.600
My goodness. There's a few things I want to want

1241
01:25:15.640 --> 01:25:21.359
to address, and you've shared some extremely personal things, and

1242
01:25:21.399 --> 01:25:24.640
thank you for doing so, and just hearing your account

1243
01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:31.159
about how the interview with Martin who is I want

1244
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:33.039
to tell you a story about that if I can.

1245
01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:37.119
This is one I haven't really told just because it

1246
01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:46.079
it's time Okay, So so before that interview that you heard,

1247
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:50.680
and I'm in I'm in the room before the people

1248
01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:54.960
come in to listen, and it's me and Martin, and

1249
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:02.359
I look over at Martin and he just has this

1250
01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:07.720
sense about him that I can only explain as to

1251
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:13.279
It was like he had huge wings protecting him on

1252
01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:17.159
his back. And I was like, wow, this is this

1253
01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:20.560
is intense. And I didn't know anything about Martin's background,

1254
01:26:20.560 --> 01:26:22.439
and I was like, Martin, would you like to pray?

1255
01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:27.000
So we actually prayed together before that interview. And you know,

1256
01:26:27.039 --> 01:26:30.079
I'm a Christian myself, and you know, I've talked to

1257
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:35.000
Martin a lot since then. He is an extremely you know,

1258
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:38.039
he's a he's a man of God. I mean, he's

1259
01:26:38.079 --> 01:26:41.079
a Christian as well, and we've had some really good

1260
01:26:41.159 --> 01:26:45.840
chats off record. But I mean, it's just interesting that

1261
01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:51.600
that that interview, hearing that was what was able to

1262
01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:56.000
bring you back to the faith in the Bible. And

1263
01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:58.520
I you know, I'm going to make sure that he

1264
01:26:58.640 --> 01:27:02.720
knows that because that would just make his heart be

1265
01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:06.319
so joyful. I think, so thank you for sharing that.

1266
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:10.199
That is probably the I mean that makes everything else

1267
01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:14.520
worth it for this It's very rare that someone has

1268
01:27:15.399 --> 01:27:19.439
the trust of the First Nations people I can think

1269
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:23.600
of now yourself. But also it reminds me of you know,

1270
01:27:23.680 --> 01:27:27.479
talking to to Henry Franzoni, how he was able to

1271
01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:30.479
have that trust because he worked for the people for

1272
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.359
so many years out there in the Pacific Northwest and

1273
01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:36.399
they trusted him with a lot of information. So I

1274
01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:41.119
want to say thank you for sharing that. And it's

1275
01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:45.600
just you have You've had incredible journey over the years.

1276
01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:50.239
Thank you, Thank you for sharing it. This is an

1277
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:54.279
area where I know Chiuila has a lot of stuff

1278
01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:56.479
going on, but I think you're the first person, maybe

1279
01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:00.680
on the show to share a lot of you know,

1280
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:03.279
personal accounts from this area. So thank you.

1281
01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:09.159
Yeah, I thank you. I mean it's given me a

1282
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:12.920
chance to get some more information out. And that's a

1283
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.520
big part of this is the technology is being able

1284
01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:21.000
to connect people and to open people's eyes and ears

1285
01:28:21.000 --> 01:28:24.279
more and to have a safe space to say, hey,

1286
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.439
that thing that I heard on that show, I heard

1287
01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:33.800
that too, and and you know whatnot you know one

1288
01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:36.199
of the friends of mine being in the DNR and

1289
01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:40.800
for a service for so long, you know his stories,

1290
01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:44.239
He's got a few too. You know. I have a

1291
01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:46.479
few friends that have their own stories as well, just

1292
01:28:46.479 --> 01:28:50.479
from the same area. But the end that was in

1293
01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:54.159
the DNR and Forest Service. We're talking to high school

1294
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:58.560
man years and years and years and years, you know,

1295
01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:03.600
talking to wants. It's pretty funny. I go, well, what

1296
01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:06.920
did you hear? And there's slight pause and then both

1297
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:09.079
at the same time, in the same pitch in the

1298
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:11.520
same town with both at the same time went whoop,

1299
01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:17.800
and we laughed and he's like, yeah, yeah, he goes Woodknox.

1300
01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:21.079
He told me I was so far away, as he

1301
01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:23.840
put it, from civilization that there was no way that

1302
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:26.119
could have been a human. That's what he that's what

1303
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:30.319
his main sentence is, no way that could be a human.

1304
01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:35.359
You know that guy, he was able to show me

1305
01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:39.880
some roads. I mean he knows that area of big time,

1306
01:29:40.680 --> 01:29:43.279
you know, as you know for a service and d

1307
01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:48.880
and our people would you know, and yeah, you know,

1308
01:29:48.920 --> 01:29:54.119
I've got another friend that is the nickname is called

1309
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:58.720
a hot shot, and it's a firefighter that'll jump out

1310
01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:03.199
of a plane to fight fire. And there's been some

1311
01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:08.520
gnarly fires through the years up here and whatnot. And

1312
01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:11.600
he's been a part of some of that stuff, and

1313
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:21.000
he's a couple of generations deep into that world, and

1314
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:23.760
we haven't totally gotten into the meat and potatoes a bunch,

1315
01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:31.680
but he is very adamant about knowing that we're not

1316
01:30:31.880 --> 01:30:37.439
Saint Helen's Blue. That some of the hot shots and

1317
01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:40.279
stories in that community were privy to the fact that

1318
01:30:41.720 --> 01:30:48.039
there was not only bigfoots recovered, but bigfoots communicated with.

1319
01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:53.680
And there was a person of the military that seemed

1320
01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:59.000
to know or maybe bigfoot new language enough to communicate

1321
01:30:59.039 --> 01:31:06.560
between each other, human and bigfoot communicating through language you

1322
01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:11.479
won't say or hasn't said, if it's a man knowing

1323
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:19.840
Bigfoot words or if it's bigfoot knowing human words. I

1324
01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:26.079
think it was Bigfoot knowing in words, because I've also

1325
01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:30.520
been in the woods and have heard that as people say,

1326
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:35.000
like samurai, look go, you know weird. It sounds Asian

1327
01:31:35.239 --> 01:31:44.600
role and babbling and whining or crying like babies. I've

1328
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:54.039
also been told that that is a female and that

1329
01:31:54.239 --> 01:32:01.800
is maybe one of their calls in a way to

1330
01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:07.039
say that she's ready to be, you know, ready to

1331
01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:10.479
bread if you will, and like some animal animals have

1332
01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:14.680
female and male calls that the baby crying that you

1333
01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:20.359
hear is a female bigfoot calling out for a mate.

1334
01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:24.439
There's another thing that I've been told by this hatless people.

1335
01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:27.960
Now they have another word. And I apologize for anybody,

1336
01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:31.880
said Halesh that I'm going to get this the pronunciation wrong.

1337
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:37.640
But their word for some of this was sue ape

1338
01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:42.279
and I've I've totally got that right out of there.

1339
01:32:42.560 --> 01:32:45.359
They have a certain way that sue buckey, kind of

1340
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.960
a weird way to pronounce it, but it means other

1341
01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:54.680
than them. Now we laughed, and you know, we're cutting

1342
01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:56.800
it up, and you know, I'm from Latino and I said,

1343
01:32:56.840 --> 01:32:59.680
like dringo and they're like, no, no, no, it doesn't

1344
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:03.680
have any of race asked to do with humanity that

1345
01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:06.600
we can communicate, but you're just not one of us.

1346
01:33:07.960 --> 01:33:10.279
And I said, one of us like tribal and they

1347
01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:14.800
gon't know human and I thought, wow, that's that's an

1348
01:33:15.319 --> 01:33:25.520
interesting titbit. You know. Now I also know the grandson

1349
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:32.760
of the the lady that has brought the Thehalish language

1350
01:33:32.840 --> 01:33:35.960
back to life. And if you go go to h

1351
01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:40.399
the grand Hooly, Damn, they've got like laser light shows

1352
01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:44.359
and things that they do out there and the woman's

1353
01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:48.319
voice that you hear narrating some of that stuff, and

1354
01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:53.399
that has been writing books and reviving language of this.

1355
01:33:53.520 --> 01:34:00.640
The Haalish is my friend's grandmother. His name is on Alexi.

1356
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:04.760
You know, his brother Shriman Alexi has written these books

1357
01:34:04.840 --> 01:34:10.479
and actually made a movie. I can't remember the name

1358
01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:15.199
of the movie offhand, but very respected people in the

1359
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:18.560
community up there and whatnot. And he was trying to

1360
01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:23.359
tell me that some of the words are really difficult,

1361
01:34:23.800 --> 01:34:26.439
not so much to pronounce or whatnot, but just they

1362
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:28.520
don't have words. And I was like, what do you mean?

1363
01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:31.079
And he goes, well, think about it, man, if you're

1364
01:34:31.119 --> 01:34:33.159
a Native American and a TV back in the days,

1365
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:38.159
there's no word for microwave. I thought, oh, okay, I

1366
01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:42.000
did it. Yeah, So he said some of the struggles

1367
01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:45.199
is there's no words for what they're trying to portray.

1368
01:34:46.479 --> 01:34:49.880
And one of the words that he could explain that

1369
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:52.880
it meant just not us and it boiled down and no,

1370
01:34:53.079 --> 01:35:00.720
not human, was suape. Have you ever heard is their

1371
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:02.199
word for bigfoot? Oh?

1372
01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:06.319
I have heard that. You know. There's this really great

1373
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:11.079
book that we've already mentioned him in this episode. Henry

1374
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:13.479
Franzoni came out. You can get it on Amazon. It's

1375
01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:17.800
a E version only now. But he went through and

1376
01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:21.000
analyzed pretty much the entire map of the US. And

1377
01:35:21.560 --> 01:35:25.359
he goes through and shares, Okay, this word is gookum.

1378
01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:27.960
You know, here's the meaning behind it. But here's all

1379
01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:30.920
the places in the US it's it's used in different

1380
01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:32.640
areas and why that's significant.

1381
01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:34.239
So it is.

1382
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:38.279
It's very interesting when you look into the meaning behind

1383
01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:41.840
certain words that are used regarding bigfoot.

1384
01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:47.279
Yeah. Interesting. Can I ask you, Jame, sir, what was

1385
01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:48.840
the name of the man that you mentioned? I'm gonna

1386
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:51.800
write that down because I haven't haven't let across the

1387
01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:53.680
INDUS man's information. What was his name again?

1388
01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:56.960
Yeah? So his name was Henry Franzoni. He has written

1389
01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:00.479
a few books. He is unfortunately he has passed on,

1390
01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:04.079
but you can find I interviewed him a few times,

1391
01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:09.199
but he's got interviews out there and they're very interesting.

1392
01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:12.640
You'll learn a lot from what he shares. For sure.

1393
01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:19.399
Cool Henry friend zone. Don't you thank you? Yeah? I

1394
01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:22.880
mean Tuila is such an interesting place. It's very mysterious.

1395
01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:29.840
Quick sideshoot. You know, my brother when he saw that

1396
01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:35.399
little Gray had a missing time. Just recently he said

1397
01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:38.640
he's willing to go to regressive hypnosis to maybe get

1398
01:36:38.680 --> 01:36:43.600
to the bottom of some stuff. It definitely popped my

1399
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:47.880
head and sent me back to a time of different things.

1400
01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:51.239
And I don't know if you want to get into

1401
01:36:51.279 --> 01:36:54.840
it or later or another show or whatever, but I'm

1402
01:36:54.960 --> 01:36:58.880
ninety percent sure that I've maybe my brother as well,

1403
01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:06.239
has been it's so hard to say abducted. And it's

1404
01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:10.600
the point where I'm going to go to the very

1405
01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:13.960
first house that I grew up there in the Cottonwood Road,

1406
01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:19.359
where a lot of this stuff and was happening in

1407
01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:22.760
my young life, and I have a question or two

1408
01:37:22.840 --> 01:37:27.359
for the people that still live there, and I would

1409
01:37:27.399 --> 01:37:29.720
have to video, and I played on videotaping it. So

1410
01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:32.760
there's no way that somebody could say that this was

1411
01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:35.279
a prefab thing or made up. And the only information

1412
01:37:35.319 --> 01:37:37.479
I can say that will make sense if I ever,

1413
01:37:37.680 --> 01:37:40.279
if this ever comes to light, is it simply has

1414
01:37:40.399 --> 01:37:43.760
to do with if there's a certain water sticket in

1415
01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:48.000
the back of this house still or remnants of it.

1416
01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:52.640
All makes sense and it sounds too weird, but if

1417
01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:55.439
I'm able to have the agreement of these people to

1418
01:37:55.520 --> 01:38:00.600
let me videotape them answering that question improve a lot

1419
01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:07.560
of things now that being said, Spokane is in the

1420
01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:11.359
five oh nine. That's our phone area code, right. My

1421
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:15.359
dad is a retired union burder maker, and so is

1422
01:38:15.399 --> 01:38:22.359
my twin brother. Welder's good enough that they signed non

1423
01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:27.600
disclosure agreements a long time ago and worked at Hanford,

1424
01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:31.359
which isn't far away, which is the nuclear site here

1425
01:38:31.399 --> 01:38:36.680
in Washington State. Well, a lot of people don't realize

1426
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:42.359
that I've heard seventy six, but I've heard seventy four

1427
01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:47.079
a few more times. That seventy four percent of the

1428
01:38:47.239 --> 01:38:51.760
uranium that was used to make the plutonium that came

1429
01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:56.960
from Hanford was the plutonium and this part's all facts

1430
01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:05.439
that was used to make the bomb for Haroshima and Nagasaki. Well,

1431
01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:08.800
my brother feels like that that little gray was trying

1432
01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:12.319
to ask, if you will, what does five O nine mean?

1433
01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:19.039
Because the bomb group, the bomb group that was part

1434
01:39:19.079 --> 01:39:22.119
of that is the Fibal Nights, the bomb group, and

1435
01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:26.840
all that uranium came from off the Indian reds called

1436
01:39:26.920 --> 01:39:31.319
tom Tum and the road name I think has been changed.

1437
01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:36.119
But I know somebody with a sign and it's still

1438
01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:40.640
pretty public record. It's called Uranium Road, and all that

1439
01:39:40.800 --> 01:39:46.199
uranium came from, you know, fifteen minutes twenty minutes away

1440
01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.560
from my house that I grew up in, in the

1441
01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:52.479
five of Ninth Area Code five of ninth bomb Group.

1442
01:39:53.159 --> 01:39:56.279
And the last thing that my brother and my dad

1443
01:39:56.319 --> 01:40:01.399
were working on was a project out of hands, super

1444
01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:09.840
secure armed guards everywhere, super high security appearances, and they

1445
01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:17.039
were simply welding tubes and whatnot. And it was the

1446
01:40:17.159 --> 01:40:23.439
very very first start of THERN They were part of that.

1447
01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:27.119
Now I've got some recordings with my dad and me

1448
01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:30.960
talking because he's getting old and you know, he's got

1449
01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:36.680
some profound stories and that kind of gets into you know,

1450
01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:39.720
like people say, the generations of maybe your grandma had

1451
01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:43.239
something happen, now your mom, now you that's gone down

1452
01:40:43.279 --> 01:40:45.560
with my dad, myself, and now my daughters as well.

1453
01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:51.079
And you know, when I asked him, you know what

1454
01:40:51.119 --> 01:40:54.560
they were doing, he spat it right out. He said, well,

1455
01:40:55.399 --> 01:40:57.399
we're making this thing because they were going to shift

1456
01:40:57.399 --> 01:41:00.359
it down as a border Italy or France because it's

1457
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:05.600
Nancana for aliens. There's the exact sentence, and I have

1458
01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:10.560
things recorded about that now another kind of a weird trip.

1459
01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:18.520
My dad when he was grown up, he could not walk. Now,

1460
01:41:19.279 --> 01:41:20.800
I don't know how old you are if you're a

1461
01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:24.760
music fan, but if you know the band Sublime and

1462
01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:28.600
that song, I don't practice sangaria. I don't have me

1463
01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:32.439
crystal Ball. We're talking about. Hey, that's Mexican Spanish Cuban

1464
01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:38.960
Rubi right now. My dad was taken down by the

1465
01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:42.760
back of a donkey at a young man, you know.

1466
01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:47.279
He says, he's six seven years old, to the bottom

1467
01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:53.520
somewhere in the Grand Canyon. And I had some work

1468
01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:57.159
done on him, and he calls him angels and they

1469
01:41:57.199 --> 01:42:03.159
rubbed his legs and he said, you know whom he

1470
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:07.119
can walk? And when he said that, he looked at me,

1471
01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:09.800
and I looked at him, and we both just looked

1472
01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:13.920
at my legs and I said nothing. Three. Now, with

1473
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:17.840
my personal life and my medical situation, I've had medical

1474
01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:22.600
doctors tell me a few times that they don't understand.

1475
01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:24.680
One doctor said, I don't know if this is ever

1476
01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:29.720
medically documented. Okay, Well, I had some things just come

1477
01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:32.479
out of the blow when I got hurt at work

1478
01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:36.760
and things went wrong and it was a nightmare. I've

1479
01:42:36.760 --> 01:42:41.000
had sixteen surgeries. I've died twice and I wanted to

1480
01:42:41.079 --> 01:42:45.520
losing my legs. Well, as soon as that happened, my

1481
01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:50.079
health came one hundred percent back. All the blood work

1482
01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:53.840
and everything that I've had since then, they don't understand

1483
01:42:53.880 --> 01:42:56.760
that any illness or anything that was going on in

1484
01:42:56.800 --> 01:42:59.880
my body is gone. And it was the instant that

1485
01:42:59.880 --> 01:43:04.239
I lost in my bag and my dad and both

1486
01:43:04.479 --> 01:43:10.079
we both believe that, you know, nothing is free, so

1487
01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:14.159
I wonder it's that's crazy stuff, but it's true, you know.

1488
01:43:14.279 --> 01:43:19.359
And when my dad was a young man, his best friend,

1489
01:43:19.920 --> 01:43:25.600
dad was a forest service guy park ranger in California,

1490
01:43:26.399 --> 01:43:29.439
and they used to hunt with dogs. And when he

1491
01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:33.319
told me the story, I was like, you guys hunt

1492
01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:35.600
dogs at night? I was like, how do you do that?

1493
01:43:36.119 --> 01:43:37.920
And he's like, whoa. We just let him go and

1494
01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:41.760
were waiting with me and we listened and we can

1495
01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:44.600
tell when we lead dogs treat something and then we

1496
01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:47.199
go to it, but we do it tonight, and I

1497
01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:52.199
was just like, wow, that's crazy. And you know, being

1498
01:43:52.239 --> 01:43:56.079
my dad and opening family and stuff, he tells me

1499
01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:59.520
that when he was about eighteen years old, they were

1500
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:02.479
doing that and the dogs they were running and they

1501
01:44:02.479 --> 01:44:06.640
couldn't catch whatever they were chasing. And he said they

1502
01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:10.079
listened to it until morning was coming up, and dogs

1503
01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:12.039
roll over here and the dogs are in front of them,

1504
01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:14.039
the dogs are behind them. The dogs are the left,

1505
01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:16.560
dogs in the right, and we can't catch them. They're

1506
01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:21.439
still chasing, chasing, chasing, And he said they finally were

1507
01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:25.800
coming at him. And that era of time when my dad,

1508
01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:27.920
like I said, he's eighty three now, and when he

1509
01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:32.039
was eighteen. The technology at the time, the flash lights

1510
01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:37.560
weren't very good, right, but he said flash light had

1511
01:44:37.600 --> 01:44:40.479
a freshy battery in it was the best that you

1512
01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:45.159
could get back in the day. And as the crashes

1513
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:48.760
and tumbles come through, they put the lights on something.

1514
01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:55.039
And for years he called it Bigfoot. It was dark black,

1515
01:44:56.119 --> 01:45:00.760
eight feet tall, running up right and all him button

1516
01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:04.239
but the one thing for years. And I just recently

1517
01:45:04.319 --> 01:45:07.439
told him this last year. And it's because of technology,

1518
01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:11.960
he always said. But it had a muzzle. But it

1519
01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:16.119
had a muddle. I don't know, but bigfoot, because he

1520
01:45:16.159 --> 01:45:19.119
says he's seen him too, and I showed him Jake

1521
01:45:19.159 --> 01:45:23.039
and he's like, oh yeah, bingo, that's real. But he

1522
01:45:23.079 --> 01:45:27.279
said this he had a muzzle. Well again, Martin Gross

1523
01:45:28.039 --> 01:45:31.640
and then that guy his dog man story. I told

1524
01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:35.279
him my dad and he just was floored, you know.

1525
01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:38.119
He he doesn't listen to podcasts, he doesn't run computer.

1526
01:45:38.199 --> 01:45:42.560
He's eighty three, he's doing the same, you know. And

1527
01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:45.680
when I told him that, he was just like wow,

1528
01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:49.439
He's like that that, yes, that was that. But he

1529
01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:52.760
called it bigfoot, you know. But then he was confused

1530
01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:55.680
because when he saw the Jake one, he didn't have

1531
01:45:55.720 --> 01:46:00.520
a muzzle, didn't look like that, you know. But the

1532
01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:04.079
thing that he saw was a dog man, you know.

1533
01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:08.319
And my dad's got a few stories too, and that's

1534
01:46:08.399 --> 01:46:11.840
kind of what I say, where the stories me and

1535
01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:14.680
my daughters. They both had missing time and some things

1536
01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:15.439
go on with him.

1537
01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:21.000
Oh wow. So yeah, but it definitely has gone down

1538
01:46:21.079 --> 01:46:26.239
through the family tree one hundred percent. Miguel, you have

1539
01:46:27.119 --> 01:46:30.920
I man, your your story is so so amazing to

1540
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:37.199
hear the whole thing together, what you've what you've lived through,

1541
01:46:37.439 --> 01:46:40.399
and what you've learned. And thank you for sharing it

1542
01:46:40.640 --> 01:46:43.399
with us. I mean, I just want to say thank

1543
01:46:43.399 --> 01:46:48.039
you for coming on the show. It feels like we

1544
01:46:48.119 --> 01:46:52.880
might be able to have another conversation someday. I'm sure

1545
01:46:52.920 --> 01:46:58.399
you have maybe even more things to share once you

1546
01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:01.279
think about it, but I want to make sure that

1547
01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:06.680
everything that you want to share in this conversation that

1548
01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:07.800
you were able to share it.

1549
01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:13.119
I mean, yes for the most part. Yeah, I mean

1550
01:47:13.159 --> 01:47:15.800
the biggest thing that I can say is thank you

1551
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:19.239
for having the opportunity for a safe place for people

1552
01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:22.800
that spit this stuff out, because I feel like a

1553
01:47:22.840 --> 01:47:25.279
weight has been listed right now. My man. I'm just

1554
01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:31.560
I just feel so much lighter saying this stuff. And

1555
01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:33.840
I've said it to my friends and whatnot, but to

1556
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:36.640
put it out there on a larger scale and to

1557
01:47:36.720 --> 01:47:42.199
be able to maybe have my story help others connect

1558
01:47:42.239 --> 01:47:46.880
their dots, like the stories have helped me collect my dots.

1559
01:47:46.920 --> 01:47:51.359
And Amen to the Martin Groves man. That guy saved

1560
01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:58.439
my life period, And I just sincerely would hope that

1561
01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:01.760
he knows that that there's a person in this world

1562
01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:05.840
that has gone back to Jesus Christ because of his

1563
01:48:05.920 --> 01:48:09.600
story and the way he always just says that He's

1564
01:48:09.600 --> 01:48:12.479
there to help and God bless and whatnot. And it

1565
01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:17.000
also validated not just my story but my dads and

1566
01:48:17.399 --> 01:48:19.600
has helped us, helped us kind of heal it helped

1567
01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:22.359
us maybe get the knock at the bottom of something,

1568
01:48:22.439 --> 01:48:24.920
but just the therapy has been able to spit it

1569
01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:26.960
out and know that there's other people in the world

1570
01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:31.760
that have instances and things, and you know, thankfully that

1571
01:48:31.800 --> 01:48:35.119
the technology has let us share in your podcast has

1572
01:48:35.159 --> 01:48:39.520
given some platform to share. And I'm very grateful and

1573
01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:41.880
thank you very much for this. I very much so

1574
01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:44.840
appreciate it. And you know, I do have other stories

1575
01:48:44.880 --> 01:48:47.239
and they do involve Bigfoot again, and I know that

1576
01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:50.119
I'm chatty cappy and that way because I'm just stuck

1577
01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:52.399
in this room with the legs for a while. But

1578
01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:56.359
I just want to say, Jeremiah, thank you, and if

1579
01:48:56.399 --> 01:48:58.720
you ever want to talk some more, I would be

1580
01:48:58.920 --> 01:48:59.560
grateful to you.

1581
01:49:00.880 --> 01:49:04.000
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1582
01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:07.239
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1583
01:49:07.319 --> 01:49:09.800
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1584
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1585
01:49:12.800 --> 01:49:16.039
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1604
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