"I Was Surrounded by Whoops in Oklahoma"

0:00 All it is is was then, Robert, have you ever heard of I know exactly where it is in that area, Every single person there goes the other. If you can ask, just randomly ask somebody, but you believe it's as much asked the damn loote. And then they stand up, and then they start movinging from tree to tree to tree towards the hogs. The biggest one, the one in front, goes back to all fours and takes off immediately. And what happens next is what scared the crab out of him, because it literally it came off of all fours, hit the hog with two hands, breaking its back, grabbed it by the hind legs, swung it over to the tree and smashed his head on the tree and slung it over its shoulder and looked right at him in his tree stand. The following episode of Big Society contains extreme exploit language. Please be aware of your surroundings if you're listening without headphones. Thank you. All right, Well you want to ask questions? Do you have any questions for me yet? Well, I'm going to go ahead and get into where this thing started before we get to start, so just to make sure, so I'm gonna present. So this is Robert, and Robert is wanting to share some encounter stories to do with Bigfoot. He's got he's got some stuff to share with us. So sit back, relax, all and Robert, I'm gonna just let you share

1:33 what's what's on your mind. Fantastic. All right. Well, I'm gonna share a little background about myself really quick, because I think that might be important. I grew up in Oklahoma, eastern Oklahoma, and a little tiny town of Evener. Nobody's probably ever heard of that town unless they're gonna be listening. You might have a couple of guys listening to this podcast from there. I'm sure. Um, I've been all over the place. Um, but most of my life I've spent it in the woods, whether hunting, fishing, trapping, you name it. Um. In ninety four I got addicted to rock climbing, and I have been doing that ever since I am forty eight years old, So I've been doing it in a very long time.

2:19 Any chance I can get into the woods to go hunting or climbing, I'm I'm gone. Um Uh. I live to do that. I don't really live to work very much. Um. I work to be able to afford to go outside. Um, you know, as a child. Um, you know, everybody's in the Patterson Gimblin film. UM, so definitely take my interests as a kid, you know, um the whole big Foot, thank you. UM. I moved to Oklahoma when I was about fourteen, a little maybe thirteen, and h I got introduced to the side of the family that I didn't really know, um, my grandmother's side, and one of my cousins, he's actually a great cousin, had built a cabin and he told me a story about this cabin that he built and his girlfriend went out there at the time. I think they might have been married, might have been his wife, and they had a bit of an encounter themselves.

3:23 He told me the story freaked me out. Then of course he showed me the cabin. They really freaked me out. As a fortuneeer, I was like, okay, because you know, I'm kind of used to going in the wood by myself. He said, don't never do that unless you're carrying a side on, Yes, sir. Later on, me and a buddy of mine decided we're gonna go do a little hog un and we went out to a little area called Deer's Out and near well the closest, the closest next city, I guess if that's what you want to call Mina, Oklahoma. Um is Mina, Oklahoma. And it's still a couple thirty miles through the woods to get there, maybe maybe more. Um it's just on the Queen Wilhelmina side of the mountains. And we decided to go up and we're just going to drive up this old logging road and see if we could find some hog tracks coming across the road and maybe get out and get lucky.

4:14 And it rained a couple of days prior to that, and we came around this curve and my buddy came to an abrupt stop, and when he did, I knew exactly what he was looking at, because I was looking at one on the right hand side and he was looking at one on the left hand side. And basically what had happened was we were looking at some very large, barefooted prints that literally one stride across the road, so basically one stride was as wide as this old board truck. We got out, of course, we grabbed our rifles and we headed off in the direction of those prints, and we got about seventy yards off the road and we were like, nah, we're not doing this, So we jumped back in the truck and continued on our way. That was the first instance I actually seen actually will sign of a sasquatch. I mean, I don't know who's running around out in the woods making making big prints like that. Um, you know, the closest town is, you know, between thirty and fifty miles away, and everything in between there is just the woods. I don't know who would be doing that. So we were pretty we're pretty taken it back by it. And of course that was back in eighty ninety maybe eighty nine.

5:30 It was a long time ago, but it was very interesting to me. UM. So you know that the subject of sasquatch was was definitely ingrained to me at that point. Um. Once I've seen sign, it was Ah, that was a that was a definite something's out there. Um, if it leaves a track in the woods, it's more than likely living. UM I contracted you to talk about talk about later on in life. UM, I had I'd been living in Dallas, and in Dallas, um I was running the climate facility there and the closest climbing area to us. We've been Austin. It's about three and a half hour drive. And the next closest area is corse U Canyan Ranch up in um, Arkansas near the Buffalo River region, which I'll get to in a minute. UM. But growing up in Oklahoma, I know that there's a bunch of fluffy, luffy sandstone to climb out there, and so we started looking at areas just across the Red River there UM near Atka, in the McGee Creek area, UM for boulders and rock lines to develop. UM. We wanted to develop some areas so climbers in our general vicinity had a little closer area to go to.

6:50 UM. Really quickly we found we found a lot of areas, so we decided UM. This was in two thousand and ten. UM. I had other friends go with me out to McGee Creek and we drove all the way out Highway three there and to the second exit like we were told to go in. It's I don't know, twenty miles outside of a toca and then another I don't know ten miles down to basically a dirt road. It's kind of concrete, I guess blacktop, and we drove all the way to the end. It's kind of like a just a circle parking area, and we see that there was a trail that walked off into the woods. So we all got out and we were just there to hike around and see what the boulders look like and see if we could find stuff to climb. We were there total of about thirty minutes. Before we left. We walked into the woods and there was a trail forked. One went off to the left and one went off to the right down into the Hall of Theirs. And as we were walking down there, one of my friends was from actually from DC is a Jamaica fella. He was pretty much grew up in the city and he was very new to rock climbing and he was excited to get out in the woods because he hadn't done a lot of that. The other two friends of mine, of course females, and another another male that was with me without a man nameless. And as we walked into the woods, we got in there, I don't know, a couple a couple hundred yards and the

8:22 first thing we hear off to our left in the distance was a very pronounced whoop and once that whoop happened, one up on top of the hill happens another whoop, and then we got a long guttural I don't even know what to call it. Howell, I guess, and everybody's looking at me, and my friend Mario goes up, what was that? Actually, I can tell you what it isn't I said, it's not a bear, it's not a coyote, and dear, don't make sounds like that. And we continued on and we started looking at a rock that we came upon, and the next thing we know, we hear another couple of whoops, and then a tree comes out, and at that point we decided that we were going to go ahead and leave the area. UM. So we turned around and went back to the car, and we actually drove all the way back around into Atoka and then went back into Stringtown to look at some more rock that we had found on the on the other side of Mickey Creek. U. But that that that instance right there really kind of drew me into that area.

9:33 It was really interesting for me, kind of scary for the other boats. UM. We did find another area. UM. It took a little getting. We had to get We had to get a course permission from a couple of landowners because um, their property lines kind of crossed this outcropping of rock that ran for about a quarter of a mile or maybe a little longer actually, And our first outing out there, one of the gentlemen that we've gotten permission from was a Chalkcot gentleman, and him and his son came riding up on the four wheelers and asked me and my friend Kensey at the time we were out there, we're going to camp out for the weekend. They come walking or driving up on the four wheelers and I mean the first thing out of his mouth was, Hey, you guys camping out here tonight. And we're like, yeah, we're gonna be here for the weekend. He goes, I wouldn't do that if I were you, And we're like why he said, He goes, this is sasquatched this home, and I was like, wait a minute, Like really, He's like he's like, oh yeah, he's like everybody in this area knows. He goes, he goes, this is their home. He goes, Kimara, let me let me show you what I mean. We're on the right side of this road. And he takes us over to the left hand side of the road and there's an opening that you could consider a campsite. And as we crossed this little creek to to walk over there, he stumps his foot and the whole thing echoes.

11:01 So there's definitely a cave system or a hollow, a very large hollow space underneath this this area. And he goes, they live here, and we're like interesting, So we had we had a kind of an interesting conversation um about that. And then he told us, of course that you know, um, they he finds, you know, footprints in his yard all the time. When his garden gets robbed, they should come in and take squash and cabbage and other things that he grows out there, and he just lets him do it. So I was very interested to talk to this guy, we said, we sat and spoke for a while. UM. So coming back to McGee Creek, UM, same person, Kensei Ckensey, my friend Kenzie. We decided to go out there back in two thousand and ten.

11:50 We wanted to find a little area that was in the place that we got scared out of that day, and we decided to go out there. Um. That was in two thousand and eleven. It was probably it was a second week of March. In February of that year, there was a terrible, terrible ice storm in Oklahoma. I mean it looked like a bomb went off in Oklahoma and just everything just got flattened. And in March the weather kind of perked up a little bit on that second week, and as climbers, we like it a little bit cold for sandstone. Sandstone tends to get a little bit more friction to it for not only your hands but you but your climbing shoes as well, So you tend to stick to it a little bit better when it's got cold temps, you know, around fifties, even into the forties. So we decided we're going to go out here because we'd already figured out the areas that we wanted to boulder, and some of the rocks have already. We had a couple of friends to go out there, and I already put up some boulder routes, so we decided to go out. We stopped into Zoka, Um that's a little liquor store there, and we grabbed a half pint of Southern Comforts because it was getting cold that night. Um, so We got there and we pulled down. There is a ranger station there. Um little house. And we pulled down right before the ranger station and pull off into a primitive camp area. And next to this camp area is u is a bob wire fenced off area where where people

13:24 will pull in their their trailers with their horses. Um. This this, this place has hardly ever used. McGee Creek is unless you're going fishing the huge lake out there. Um, but a lot of people go out there and ride their horses on the trail out there. It's about seven miles out and back on that trail, maybe nine. Um. So we set up camp and I go, hey, man, I'm gonna go ahead and start on camp fire. Go ahead and set up the tent, get all the stuff out of the car. I'm gonna grab wood across the street. I just there's wood everywhere because of the storm that came through her and just knocked everything down. So I hop over this for a while or bobble of our fence, and um, there's a tree there. It's a it's got a lie in it. And so I just start picking up long branches and snapping them off in between the wy to try to make firewood. And I'm also throwing this wood over the top of the bob wire fence into the road so I can carry it a little bit easier into the campsite. And I did this for u fifteen or twenty minutes. I'm just snapping wood, I mean, just cracking it as hard as I could, trying to get stuff broke up and anyway, get the fire started. We hang out, We take a couple of sets of soco. It starts getting pretty cold. We chatted a little bit. He's like, man, let's let's just hit the hit the bed. Their girls are going to be here in the morning pretty early, so let's do that. I was like, man, I'm I'm I'm okay with that. Let's do it. Anyway. We had two female friends

14:56 of ours coming to meet us that that morning. The thing is, we hopefully gave good enough directions for them to get there. We were thinking about that because there is no phone service out there. It's you're you're in the middle of nowhere. Um. So later on that night, I'm already all I've been asleep. I passed out pretty hard and the next thing I know, Kenzie is trying to wake me up. Rob get up, Like, what's up, man, He's like, some of these in our fucking campsite. And I hear something out there and it it's I know exactly what it is. It's my cooler, Okay. I have one of those little FlipTop blue and white flip top iglue coolers. Right, just a little one, right, and whatever it was, Okay. At this point, I'm thinking it's a raccoon. Um. Kensey crawls over the top of me and starts to unzip the tent and he says, Rob, get the fuck up.

16:02 He's in our campsite. He go, Rock, get the fuck up. He just stuck down behind the car. I said, fuck it, get that motherfucker. I thought for sure there was going to be a guy there. And when we came out of that tent, all balls. They shribbled pretty quick. When it stood up, and it was it was playing as day buddy, right in between seven and eight feet tall. It was as wide as my refrigerator. And it immediately just took off down the fence line there and it sounded like elk running through the brush. I mean it was a lot of noise, okay, and then the fence we hear the fence break, and then we continue to hear the woods just get destroyed for I don't know the next hundred yards or so. And the reason I say that is because the next morning we did not get much sleep. That night.

17:06 We stayed up pretty much until the sun came up. I finally fell asleep, and then about seven forty five eight am, my phone rings, which was weird because, like I said, you shouldn't have service out there, and they're no sales service. I had one bar and the girls I guess they were just close enough when they called that it connected because literally when they called that, they were literally passing our campsite. And I was like, hey, you guys just passed us. When you get to the ranger station, turned back around, We're going to be on your right hand side. And so me and Kinsey go, we can't say ship to the girls and I'm like, oh, no, they're not gonna they will immediately want to go home. Yeah, and the girls pull in and we haven't went and looked on the other side of the car. We didn't do nothing. We were just standing there waiting for the girls. Their girls come in, we greet them a horse there there maybe ten minutes and here comes a gentleman and his wife pulling a trailer with horses in it, and they pull into the little lot there that they had created just on the other side of the bob wire fence. World. This happened that night. So we decided we're gonna go ahead and cook breakfast, and we started doing that over the campfire and got that thing stirred back up and started getting some breakfast going. Um, we noticed that the guy who's trying to pull his horses out of his trailer,

18:37 those horses do not want to come out of the trailer. They are whinnying, and they came, they backed out and ran back in. They backed out and ran back in. So me and Kensey walked over to the fence and were like, as everything okay. He goes, I don't know what the hell is wrong my damn horses, And me and Kensey kind of looked at each other. I'm like, maybe we do. You know That's what I was thinking, And I'm sure you sure that's what he was thinking too. And he goes, well, I guess they're damn crazy today, and you put them back in the trailer. Lock the trailer up and backed out and went on down the route. Wow. Well, since we were standing there, I start looking around, and of course I look up and at about eight or nine feet up, all of the branches as far as you can see down this fence line are broken. So I start looking on the ground. Now, the ground out there is not soft. There's it is a very rocky area. I mean, finding prints in this area would be next to impossible, um, most of it. Unless you're down near the river or the or the creek or the or the or the lake, that's probably going to be a little bit of impossible. Um. But there's a lot of leaf matter on the ground, and you can see where those prints were. It was. You know, when you run through leaves, you can see you can see those prints, right, So of course we had to measure. We had to measure those and I would basically have to do the splits in between the front and rear of those prints. But the

20:12 biggest thing I noticed once we got about twenty yards down the fence line was that the fence was broken. And you can see right there at the fence line there was a little bit of dirt I guess you want to call it. With leaf matter on it, But you can see where he actually spun on his on his foot to redirect himself and once again looking up that between eight and nine feet up. Most of the branches were taken out for the next hundred yards basically, I mean, you can just look at all of the damage that he created running through there, which which leads me to believe that when he was doing that, he had his arms up or at least, you know what I mean, Like it happened to be how high up?

21:07 How high up did the broken branches go? I would say they were in between it was right around eight ten to nine feet okay, just about about we'll just call it three feet up my head, yeah, easily. But and I can understand why. I mean, I guess if I was running for my life, I would put my hands in front of me, you know what I mean, and like run through the run through the brush, trying to clear it out of my face. So I can understand that. When I think about it, I think about I think about that, right, I think, like, what would I do if I was running away from something through the woods in the middle of the night. I would put my hands up and try to get all of the you know, make sure I wasn't getting hit in the face. Sure, So that's the only thing that I could I could think of that happened clearly. UM needs to say. Um, Kenzie was a little bit freaked out. Um, he's never experienced anything like that before. UM, and I kind of I kind of had just a few years prior to that. It was I freaked out, absolutely, Um, it wasn't. It wasn't something I expected um to happen. And UM, I've sat back and thought about what happened. Maybe it was me breaking all of that wood up, the snapping of the wood, you know, I thought about it. It was like, maybe that's what brought it in. It could have been the campfire. It could have

22:38 been a lot of things. But I feel like snapping that wood for that amount of time sure brought maybe got him interested. Um. So me and Kensey decided to we went We went climbing anyway. We went down back to the trail that we got scared out of and we had instead of going right, Um, we went back and left and we bolted around a little bit, and I started to notice, um some tree breaks. UM and I noticed one and then another and it all went, It all kind of started to go down towards the edge of the lake, and there is a cliff line that runs that area there down to the lake, and so I just kind of made a mental note. We climbed for the day, and we left. We came back a month later in April. Um. It had rained UM a couple of days prior, and we got out there because we figured that the sunshine and the wind would definitely dried off that sandstone, and so we decided to go back out and and see what we can find.

23:51 Well, there's a there's another area that we were told about, UM, and we needed to go down that horse trail to find it. UM. And supposedly there were one hundred foot cliff line out there. We couldn't see it on Google Maps, but you know, all the locals were saying, yeah, they're a huge cliff out there. Okay, let's go find this cliff. And what do they call it? I think they call it wood booger Halla, which is kind of right for bigfoot booger Halla. It was called um. Yeah. UM. So we're we're going out there. We just want to see if we can find this rock. Um. We're trying to develop rock there just because it's close and we have a I have a lot of climbers in my just crap, tons of people, um that want to climb outside, and this is this is just a great idea for us.

24:45 And anyway, we decided to go down this trail and we get about in between three and four miles then and I'm seeing tracks, of course, I've seen Turkey tracks, seeing gear tracks U. And at about three mile mark, I looked down and I see a little barefooted print and I'm like, I really take a look at it. And I mean we're talking about size six or eight, you know, not a very big foot. But it's barefooted. And it's three miles fifty miles, you know, forty miles from anywhere Turial and I'm thinking, I'm thinking that's a baby squatch foot maybe.

25:27 And I go, hey, Kensey, I put my I put my my nalgam bottle down and I go, hey, Kensey checked this out. He goes, dude, you missed it. He goes, come here, and I, of course take go back to him, and sure enough, there it is playing his day. And we measured it out and it's probably eight inches across the toes and about sixteen inches as long and it was, and then and then just about three feet to the left of it, there's the little one right next to it. So of course we grab up pictures. We put the analogy and by all our foot next to it, we snap all these pictures. Now, this is two thousand and what was that two thousand and eleven. This is two thousand and eleven, was a very long time ago. Um. I really wish I had those pictures because we uploaded them to the computers at the gym and then those computers. Yeah, I really wish I had those. That would be great. UM, I would share them with you, But those computers were trash when I got them, and they were trash shortly after. Um. So, UM, that is McGee Creek. The reason I bring that area up is because that instance, UM really kind of kind of made me think this is a place they stay. And I can understand why they stay there. There's plenty of game,

27:03 there's plenty of waterway little creeks to get in. I actually went out there and stayed a week and survived off fish for the whole week. I just caught fish and hate them because it's they're just right there. It's readily available, and there's an area that we got down into, and I really want to go back there. I live in Pennsylvania now, so there might be a minute before I go visit it, um. But there's a's a it's a very sandy area down in this creek bed, and I always wanted to go down there because if it were me and I was trying to find food, it would be a really good area to go to. A lot of a lot of logs and stuff in the water. You could noodle out of catfish pretty easy. I'm pretty sure. Being from Oklahoma, we do that stuff. We will go in the water and stick our hands in rocks and pull out catfish. This is noodling. It is a thing, um.

28:00 And that's basically what I did while we were out there. I would go out and fish, and if I couldn't find if I couldn't if I couldn't catch one on rod and rear a, I'd get in there and get my hand to get and get wet and who now, Uh, it's pretty funny little suport. Unless you grab a hold of a turtle. Then it's not so good, right, It's not I got a few friends that are missing the fingers. Um yeah, no snap and turtle, they know, joke buddy, Yeah, by bye bye bye fingers out anyway, I understand why they're there. Um, Like I said, lots of game, lots of water, lots of area, and no people. There's just nobody out there. I mean there's nobody goes out there to do anything, but you know, occasionally go out to ride horses on the trail, but it's not very heavily used. Now, something interesting happened in the years visiting this place because we started going out there pretty regularly just to boulder around because we had the two areas to develop. Um, so we were going out there pretty frequently. Um. So I told you that there would cross the road to get to Firewood. It was a four wire bob wire fence that I just you know, just hop right on over. We come back out there in two thousand, late two thousand and eleven, I guess it would have been in the fall. I believe it was September October. And now there is a ten foot chain leak fence all the way around everything. And I mean, and I mean Jeremy, I mean everything, all of the McGee Creek

29:33 area is off to the left, and there is this ranch on the right. And not only did they do the McGee Creek area to the road that takes you down to the boat dot, the whole area now has a ten foot chain leak fence around it. I got I got to ask you questions real quick, Robert, I've got, I've got, I got some questions. This is getting a wild dude. Um, Okay, so myself listeners were not familiar with the Oklahoma map. Is any of this taking place in the eastern part of Oklahoma? Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Yeah, it would be it would be considered that. Okay, So Hanno Hannobie is just is right there, bro Okay. Not only that, Boggy Creek is right there, the Boggy Creek, Okay, it's the Washitas and I'm it's actually I'm on the kayan Mishi side. Okay. The Kaya Mishi's run into Atoka, Okay, Atoka Reservoir just on the just north of the Atoka Reservoir, that's north Boggy Creek, and then Boggy Creek runs out through um runs out forty three there all the way back to Stardust Lake into the other area. Um that I told you about that there was on the other side of this specific area. Um. So, forty three runs through Stringtown out of Atoka. You go through Atoka, you're going south. Um, you take String Town over on forty three. Forty three will take you all the

31:04 way back out the Sardist Lake. So in between forty three and Highway three sits McGee Creek, Okay, and from there to Arkansas. It's just woodsmen, It's just it's just it's the the Kyne. She's run into the Washatas. The Washatas run into the Winding Stairs. The winding stairs run into the Blues. The Blues run into Queen Willamina and then the Poto Mountain Range, and then from there it's the Bostons and the Ozarks. All of this is woodsmen, Robert, have you ever heard of I know exactly where it is. Yeah, I have. I have a few friends that are interested in this, uh in this in this uh in this thing. Yeah, I've talked to a few people about this. Um. Yeah, Um, it is. It's very prevalent where where I grew up. Okay, It's it's it's like, hey, that's a bear, like it's we know they're there, there's a bear in that area. Every single person there goes to, oh there, that's watch out there. You can ask just randomly ask somebody, but you believe this, ask watch as a damn lutely like they'll just tell you like it's not it's not a it's not a conspiracy theory. I'll tell you that. We're we're all out of those. By the way, there are no more conspiracy theories there. It's all it's all out in the open. Okay. And and and one of the gentlemen that that um,

32:36 he told me a story and uh, we actually just bumped into each other at um Um and we started talking and he told me a story. Um, he went out and he had a wanted to kill some hogs and he set up on a trail. And I'm just gonna tell you this story real quick. Okay, Okay, So he's and this is his story, not mine. And let me tell you, I believe this guy one hundred percent. He has no reason to lie. He goes to church on Sunday and Wednesday. I promise you this guy has no reason to lie about this. It freaked him out terribly to the point where he won't go back out there, Like, he will not go back out He's like, I will never go hunt out there again. Nope. Well, here's his story. He's sitting in his tree stand and the trail comes down off the hill, off the hill and comes down into the gully, and he sees he sees a bunch of hogs coming this way, and he's like, all right, I'm about to get me some and he decides to take something ticks his eye down into the gully off to his right, he sees movements, so he starts to look down there, thinking that he's going to see more hogs. He does not. He sees two very large critters on all fours and then they stand up, and then they start moving from tree to tree to tree towards the dogs. Once again, it the hogs start coming down the hill,

34:06 and once again, the biggest one, the one in front, goes back to all fours and takes off immediately on all fours, by the way, not on two feet, on all fours, towards the hog. And what happens next is what scared the crap out of him, because it literally it came off of all fours hit the hog with two hands, breaking its back, grabbed it by the hind legs, swung it over to the tree and smashed his head on the tree and slung it over its shoulder and looked right at him in his tree stand and just walked off. He said that hog was three hundred pounds, no problem, at least two hundred and fifty to three hundred pounds. He said it took two hands to smash that hog.

35:00 He finished it off by by swirling it around and smashing his head against the tree. Oh my goodness. And when he was telling me this story, I'm getting jills thinking about it right now, me too, because I can understand how, how and why he will never go back to that area, especially when it looked right at him like thanks, I'm sure you can't share this gentleman's name or no, I wouldn't do that. Okay, that's not that. Yeah, I know, I know that was my sneaky journalist way of of. You know, if I understand, you know, I understand. Yeah, yeah, So I mean that was and that's his story, and I guarantee I believe it um because when he told it, I mean, I'm a pretty good judge character when it comes to when people are lying to me, and I'm telling you, he he was. He was excited about it and also it frightened him, which leads me to my next story.

35:59 Um so um as a rock climber. Um, this one is a prior achievements. Um, this is the one that scared you. Um. Okay. So in two thousand and four, UM, me and my climbing partner, Carl, we decided that we were going to have a little bit of an adventure. We climb um in Arkansas. I was living in Failability at the time, and we climb out in the Buffalo River region of Arkansas. Now, the Buffalo River is, as far as I know, it's the only river in the United States is the National Park upon itself. It is beautiful, it is untouched, it is magnificent. There is nobody out there except actual hillbuilitings. Okay. And and and that's dumbass rock. And that's dumbass rock climber lots of us um um. But we decided we're going to go to work for the Boy Scouts of America. So I quit my job and and we decided to go ahead and go do that. So I was going to be the treking director and the assistant climbing director for a high adventure camp for the Boy Scouts of America located there on the Buffalo River.

37:17 Carl was going to be the climbing instructor for the climbing walls and all of that stuff. I was going to run the trekking group. Basically, the Boy Scouts were looking for their fifty mile badges, fifty miles on the river, fifty miles on trail. So that was my job to take you know, meaningwhere between fifteen and thirty scouts down the river for fifty miles or on trail for fifty miles. It was a three day process no matter what. We were pretty athletic guys. We spend all of our time either working out, climbing or running around in the woods. So and we do all of the working out and the climbing to go run around in the woods. So when we get there, Arkansas is basically a little Colorado. I mean it's a little tiny Colorado. It's it's it's amazing and everything is either up or down. Um, the Ozark Mountains are amazing. Um. We got we had to go down to South Texas and uh and do a little bit of boy scout, a little bit of a boy scout course to get ready for um what we were about to deal with at the High Adventure camp there and on the Buffalo River region. And once we got done with that, we got back up there. Um. And basically we remained there from April through August in the woods in a tent. That's where we lived. UM.

38:37 So every morning we would get up and we would take a run on the trails. Um. We you know, the short run was about twelve miles along runs about sixteen UM. And this is this is terrain that most people coming up from Louisiana and whatnot, they're not going to have a very good time with this. Boys. Um, Like I said, everything is up um. And so we we took a run that warning. It was a short one. We did six miles out and six miles back. We took the BRT Highroad was what we called it, so it was the upper Trail, and then we came back on the BRT Lower Trail, which ran through and around right next to the river. The reason we did that is because during the heat of the day, it's nice to be able to just check your ass in the river. Also, this river is lined with limestone cliffs and it looks like they've been painted on. They're just beautiful. And we wanted to take a look at a few areas to see if we could actually go back in there and place a gear on them and climb them. So we stopped in a place called Horseshoe Bend, actually was just a little ways past Horseshoe Bend, and we decided to jump into the water, which we stuck our stuff underneath this low lying pine tree and proceeded to jump in the water. Well, I came out of the water and sat down, and now I'm staring at this beautiful, pristine rock that has never been touched, and I want to climate. And as I'm looking up there, I noticed that there's something kind of just standing. They're not looking like a tree,

40:12 and I'm looking at it now. The cliff is about one hundred foot tall, maybe one twenty and about forty yards back off the top of that, there's two cedar trees standing there, kind of post it up. And there's something that's a little bit taller than those cedar trees just standing in the middle, and it is very human shaped, and I'm looking at it, thinking no, and I go, hey, Carl, get your ass out of the water and come here and look at this. Carl comes, I was like, what are you looking at that rock? I was like yeah, I was until I've seen whatever the hell's standing right there between those cedar trees.

40:54 He goes, holy shit, what is that? And at about that moment it starts rocking side to side and the trees are not moving. It was like looking at a at a monkey in a cage, you know, that anxious look. Now can we make out any features? No, it's you know, it's one hundred and some odd feet up and forty yards back and he's standing in between these two cedars trees. But it freaks us sound enough that we walked back into the water calmly, and we're looking up at the cliff line, going a man, is that a big foot? Like? What that's going to be a big foot? Right? Like? What the hell is that? Like? Is that a guy with it freaking gilli suit on? Like? What is that? And I'm like, let's walk back out and see if it's there, because if it's if it's gone, then we're not crazy. So we walk back out and we look up there and it's gone. Those two cedar trees are empty in the middle. We're like, holy shit. We put our stuff on and we casually put our shoes back on and casually trotted our asses down the trail back to camp.

42:00 So, which is the beginning of this next story. Stone that was on a Saturday, camp started Oh, no, excuse me, that was on a Friday. Camp started to fill up. The next day on Saturday, we had we had troopers coming in and my first my first group was just kind of a small group that was about twenty two of them, and I needed to do fifty miles on trail with these kids. And we went out and we did that. I took him, I took him twenty five out, twenty five back. The following week, I had to do the same thing and we had a we had a troop that came in from Louisiana and they said, oh, you know, we've been to New Mexico the Jamboree and we hid in fourteen er and it was fine. I was like, yeah, that fourteen or ain't nothing compared to this terrain. Pack a lot of water and food before we leave. Um, and you know, the Scout masters aren't exactly the most healthy dudes. UM. I figured they're gonna be lagging behind. UM. But I wanted to take UM. I wanted to take them to Steel Creek out UM. So leaving the camp, UM, you you have to go through UM Kyle's landing and then you go on.

43:17 You're on the VRT for a long ways until you get the steel creaking UM. So that was our destination. UM. We have to take UM with the kids. I always take a high road, UM. The low road. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to risk it. UM. So we get to Kyle's landing, I explained to them, Hey, listen, this is gonna be a really, really beautiful once we get to the top of this. You guys are gonna get Christine views of the Buffalo River when we get to the actual top, he goes. I said, you know, we're gonna sit down and we'll have lunch, and uh, it's gonna be about another hour to have two hours before that happens, um, and most of this journey is going to be uphill. I will probably be far in front of you because I tend to I've been out here for a few months, you know, or a few weeks, and these trails are pretty easy for me. But I will check on you and come back to you. If you need me, just scream or holler or whistle. And you know, I was like, hey, I talked to the I talked to the to the the troop masters, and I was like, hey, like just guys, may keep an eye on the boys and got to stay everybody, stay on the trail. So we start heading up the trail, and of course I have a pretty fast paced when I'm hiking, so I probably got I don't know, seventy or eighty yards in front of the kids as we're going up this trail. As I as it gets up to the top of this trail, or as I'm starting to get to the top of this trail, I hear limb snap, and I mean it was loud, man, like a big limb snap. Something

44:49 something stepped and it hit the ground and you could hear the snap and then the hit on the ground. So I actually took off running towards it like a numb nuts because and the reason this is is because in this part of Arkansas, it's the only part of Arkansas that actually has elk in it. The Colorado brought elk into this area, and so sometimes they're in this area, and they could have just been, you know, busting through the brush for all I knew. But I took off running towards it. This is where I get scared as I as I see the limb that's laying now and halfway on and off of the trail, I noticed that this is probably six and a half seven inches around, and I look up and I see where it had snapped off, and then I look off to the left and there it was. He's probably forty yards away. He is. He has his arm wrapped around an oak tree that I would say is I don't know, maybe a good twenty five or thirty inches across twenty five maybe across the front, and his arm is all the way basically around to the front of it.

46:10 And he is actually in a crouched position, and I can see half of his chest, half of his face, and of course his enormous arms and legs. And he was definitely mailed with us to leave at that, and he's just he's just there. And of course I I wasn't doing a double take. I was completely one focused and frozen because at this point. That's when Fright kicks in his hand. Let's go as he stands up. And when he did, he stepped away from the tree. And that's where I you can really kind of really suck in the massive amount of muscle on these human harry people. Yeah, I would. I would. Honestly, he looked like a big hairy dude man. Like the best way to describe it, Um, I was very locked in on him. He didn't have any he didn't have any hair on his pecks. Um, he didn't have any a lot of hair on his face, um, other than the normal man beard, really a little high on the cheek, bones, very very large eyes, sunk back um. Of course, the the his brow ridge was very defined, big, very large, flat nose, and his jaw

47:44 line was just it was enormous, these big almost very thin lists. But just it looks a little awkward, it's so wide. Um, I would, I'd be a little clustered here. I would say he was probably he looked like the biggest linebacker on an NFL, like a left tackle in pads without the pads, you know what I mean. Like he was just it was just he was so oddly big. Yeah, and The coolest part was is when he started to turn away, he showed his teeth like he grimaced at me. I don't I don't really know how to take that, but an ape will do that if you're looking him in the eyes, you know what I mean. And stily did that. He just kind of did this gnarly grin at me. And that's and then he just kind of turned stepped behind the tree and then started to walk away, but kept the tree at his back. And then as he as he started up the hill there, I could hear the kids running up and he would use his long ass arm to like push off of trees and to grab trees and and move off of them, and kind of like an orangutan would do. And his arms were

49:19 ungodly long. The coolest part was was being able to see not both of them hands were of course enormous, but the hair. The coolest part was, I mean the hair hung long off of his arms. Correct, Okay, they hung long. I'm trying to It hung long off of his arms. And then when he turned around, his hair was brownish red and black mostly, and then when when he turned around, it was a more of a reddish brown and gray that kind of came down his back just like a silver back gorilla. Really, you know that that almost pattern that came came down to an apex his glutes. I can remember just how big everything was.

50:09 His arms, his biceps were definitely larger than my legs. They were just And not only that, even through all of the hair, there wasn't a lot of hair around the bicep area, so you could see it. It was kind of thin there, and you could see how massive and muscular this this being was. I would represent him. You know those um refrigerators with the two doors. He was as thick as one of those, and definitely as wide as a refrigerator. It would be the only way that I could describe him. He was probably in the seven and a half to eight foot range, and one of his pecks was as white as my whole chest, just one I would I would I would say he was very barrel chested like. It was just very pronounced out to the front. And the reason that I know that it is because of the way he stepped away from me.

51:10 I got a very good side angle of this massive fella. Um needles to say, I'm I'm standing there, um and shocked that I'm actually looking at one. Um, and this was, of course prior this is two thousand and four, this is prior to two thousand and eleven. And I hear the kids coming running up. What was that? What was that? What was that? And of course I've got to turn my attention to the scouts that are running up behind me, and I'm like, oh, guys, you missed it. You guys missed the elk. Like I didn't know what else to say, Like what am I gonna say? I'm gonna I've just seen a sasquatch. I got thirty freaking kids behind me, ages ten to you know, thirteen, Like, no, you guys missed the elk.

51:54 You know. Um. Funny thing is is James, the guy that was one of the scout masters. Um, he noticed that I was a little been out of shape, if you want to say that. He goes everything. Okay. I'm like, oh, let's just keep hiking and we'll talk about this later, maybe just maybe. So we hike another hour or so, when we get um an hour and a half or so, and we get to this little overlook area where I was just I stopped the kids and we have we have lunch, and scout master coming back up to me, He's like, hey, so, well happened over there? I said, did you did you see that that branch that was across the across the trail there that I moved off as we walked away. He goes, yeah.

52:42 I said, did you notice how fresh that was? He goes, actually I did. I was like, yeah, well you missed was the two footprints right next to it? Because he goes, I missed that? I was like, yeah, so this is what I think happened, Jeremy. I think we spooked him. Yeah, And he was up in a tree okay, And when he jumped out of that tree, he grabbed that branch to stop this fall, and the branch broke. And then there were, of course, there was the two inventions. Now I looked at that as the kids were already as they were on me. Okay, and then I moved that branch off of the trail, and I'm looking at these, I mean, and they're in the ground a good inch and a half two inches like. He was a very heavy. If I were to guess how much he weighed, I would say he was well andre the giant was five hundred pounds. He was bigger than Andrew, So he was in the six hundred pounds range. He had to be. Man, there's just no possible way that he weighed less than that. Like I'm looking at him, going, there's just there's no way they weigh less than that. It's just all muscle too. On top of that, like, it's just it's all muscle.

53:57 So he had to be in that range of weight because I'm pretty sure him and Andrea, I mean, Andrea would have been looking at his chin, you know what I mean, Like, oh yeah, and Andrea was a five and he would have been looking at him, like, you know, in his chin right at least in the top of his chest. I mean, because he was definitely a head taller than Andre the giant, you know, the wrestler. Do you remember, so what the shape of the head of of of it looked like? Yeah, I think I think I think there, I think their head um. I think their head shape is a little deceiving. Okay, because right back to the hair, Now, did it slope backwards, yes, does it look crowned, yes, But his hair was extremely long over the top of his hair as it as it came down across his shoulders and on top of that, it was dread lucky in a sense. It was very matted and very oily and very and very almost dreadlock like coming down off of his head into his back hair. And the only reason I'm telling you this is because I was forty yards away from this thing. Yeah, like he was right there. He was right there, and I was taking all of this in and try enough to ship myself early because I mean he really could. He could took three or four steps and been on me, and then he would have you know, thank god, that wasn't on. I wasn't on the menue. You just wanted to

55:30 get out of the way. But you said you saw the big foot walking away from you, correct, Yes, I did. Did you notice anything about the bottoms of its feet at all when it was walking? And it's really specific? Yes. Yeah. So they when they walk away one they bring their leg up on the back side. They bring it up almost ninety degrees right almost. I'd say seventy to ninety degrees seven, I'd say seventy. We'll put it at seventy there, Okay. The funny thing is is that we all know that they kind of walk on a type tight rope and and and what you notice is that the hip, the hip kind of comes out and back as they step away. It's like their hip is I don't even know how to explain that. I don't. It's kind of you just can't. I can't do it. It's completely it's a completely different locomotion.

56:36 If you're looking at it, you're talking about the actual gait of the the sasquatch. How it's actual the actual gait. Yeah, it's And not only that, it was it's kind of weird. It's kind of like he's really soft stepping and taking small strides, but it's very pronounced on the backside. Right, it's just very pronounced on the back side. Another thing I noticed was, um, how it seemed that his that his leg and his foot were attached. There was more foot on the back of the femur, right, like the femur comes down into your foot and it attaches to our heel on the backside. But it seemed to me, I'm just looking at it into my mind's eye, that there was just more foot on the back end, and then it was more towards the middle um, which I guess would create that mid parcel break right in the foot right. UM. Now I had to look back at that in my in my head in two thousand and four, right, because after that, of course, you start you start looking at you start looking things up, you start listening to doctor Meldrum.

57:58 You know, you start to make friends, UM that have these encounters. UM. I made friends with a gentleman. I wonder if I can use his name, M Well, he wrote, he wrote a really good, interesting book about this. UM. His name is Mitchell. UM. I'll give you his first name, and then I will I will let you know. I'll actually send you his UM his paper. He actually sends it to me UM before it got peer reviewed and before his book was published. UM about an instance that happened UM in Mount Saint Helens, UM up up in Washington. UM hm, so yeah, I've done a little bit. I've done my research and then looking back at that and then taking a look at videos that you show. UM, I can tell the difference between a dude and a soup and a dude that's not in a suit, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, it's airy up, it's very very apparent.

59:04 This was no dude in the suit. This was definitely no dude in the suit. This was the real deal. It's it's scared the living shit out of me. I'm actually surprised I didn't piss myself. I was just standing there like this is not happening, Like you are frozen. There's nothing and then everything afterwards, you're just sitting there and you cannot stop thinking about what you just witnessed. It is. It's life changing. Really. It's one thing to see put prints. It's one thing to see a dude at night stand up behind your car and take off running and break everything in the woods. But that was after this happened. So I was pretty shook on that. After this, and then when that happened to me Gee Creek, it just concreted mine my will to want to know more about this subject, about these creatures. If that's what you want to call him, I'd like to call them wood people, because that's what they all. Uh yeah, they're somewhere in between us and say Neander Fall or something. It would be the best way to kind of explain it. And I don't necessarily think they all look alike like we think, because he didn't look like a classic Patty you know what I mean. Like it it didn't look like that. I

1:00:37 mean he did in a sense as far as body morphology and features are concerned, Yes, But the way the hair was, the way he was built, the facial features, it wasn't that classic Patty look. Was he was. He was menacing, really very why wild would would just as as wild as you could. I can only imagine that if you were born in the woods, that you would look like that too. Wow. You would have to you'd have to adapt, you know what I mean, Like if you were born in the woods and you had to adapt to living in that type of environment, you that's what you would turn into one way or another through time. You know what I mean? Um? That is that is a fantastic story, Robert. That's probably one of that's easily in the top three stories I've ever heard. And I've I've done this since twenty nineteen. And dude, have you ever have you shared this on any other programs or anything?

1:01:50 No? No, no, no, Ike. I've spoke to this with the people that were with me. My best friend in Ouca, him who still lives there. Um, because he was he was with me for the footprints, the first ones. Um and you know you know, I mean he he lives his life in the woods as well. Um. Um, he understands where they are and uh and that they're there, you know. Um. And like I said, most of the people in that general vicinity they that's that's normal. I mean, if you go to Washington, that's normal. Like you go and you start talking to Native Americans, which I am as well, Um, it's normal. Oh okay um. I'm a pachi yaki in s bench okay um. Wow, So I I understand some things about my culture. And and if it's on a totem, it's a real it's a real animal. Most totems as you come, as you come down, we're gonna have you know, an eagle, h a wolf, a bear. Um, as you go north, they have a wolf, an eagle, a bear, and a Sasquatch at top. And there's a reason for that. Every single tribe basically in the United States has a name for it. That's odd, right, Like why would they have a name for something that doesn't exist, And not only that, why would every tribe have a name for it if they didn't exist. It doesn't make any sense. It just doesn't make any sense. Um. And this is my

1:03:24 speculation. If you and I were to prove in a court of law that Sasquash existed, there's a lot of things. They become off limits. The US government would have to now protect those areas, so by by logging, by oil, bye, buy anything you want to do in those woods, because now you have a protected people of the woods and the woods. So if if people wonder why why the government would cover something like that, it's all about money. Initially it wasn't about that. I think initially when they started digging them up in Ohio in the eighteen hundreds, they didn't know what to do with that because, I mean, you're talking about early Christian Americans.

1:04:15 Right, where does that fit in? Right? Like, where does that fit in? How do you explain that to God fearing people in the eighteen hundred and you're talking about the mound build? Answer? Right, you're right? Like the answer is you don't, right, you don't. You take that stuff, you get rid of it, and you don't talk about it, and anybody else that talks about it you just go, oh, you're crazy. And then later on in life you just get called a conspiracy theorist because that's the that's the that's the new that's the new out for truth. Oh you're telling truth, but nope, your conspiracy theorist. So that's the new. But back then it was you know, they didn't know, they didn't know how to they didn't know how to explain it to people, so they just didn't. They just tried to whisk it away. But if you look, if you look back and you start to do research and you start to look up all of these old newspaper clippings and stuff from around America in those times, there's actually a lot of it. I mean there's stuff in Arkansas where there's so there's so much of it. There's a doctor that was in Arkansas who found one up in a cave with a narrow in its chest and brought all his bones back and had him downstairs for years, and there was a there was an article about it in the paper like uh, and then who came in to get it? Oh? The Smithsonian said hey man, yeah, yeah, right bye bye. Bone dumped it in the east by all the mammoth tusks, you know, right right. So I

1:05:49 am I'm not a believer. I'm a knower when it comes when it comes to this, when it comes to this subject, um, I have a follow up question about I believe it was in the Mcgreek McGee Creek section. Um, you said that you can't. You went back to that area and there was chain link fence that was ten feet high where the barbed wire was. Oh yeah, all the way around it now all the way so and like I said, that road, that road is a few miles long. Um. And as it gets to the McGee Creek borderline, there's a fence. There's a ten foot tall chain link fence that runs all the way down the road. Now and then there's a road that turns left to take you down to the boat dock, and it runs for it's a couple a mile or so to the to the maybe a little further down to the boat boat ramp, and it is completely ten foot fence all the way down both sides and then all the way back into the camp site to right it stops.

1:06:49 Um, it stops right at this camp site that I was I was in, um and then continues kind of behind it and down them and then down the mountain for a ways. Um. So there is an open area for you to go into. But now that other stuff you can't go past. Defense kind of kind of makes you go, hmmm, I wonder why they did that. So they keep in stuff? Yes, right, like, there's no reason I can think of or Oklahoma game and fish to commission to spend that type of money around the whole area if they didn't know. And that brings me back to this. When I go out there, I open I openly carry my gun. I do not in Oklahoma. They do not give a They don't care. They just don't care exactly. Um. I ran to that ranger more than once, and we have talked more than once.

1:07:48 And the one time that I asked him about it, he goes, he just just looked at me. He said, I understand what exactly why you're caring that. I was like, you, do you understand that there's a bunch of big fellows out here? He goes, Oh, yeah, we we know all about it. Can you can meet the name of that you know? I will not he is that he is, He is the ranger there, and he I guarantee you he will not bat an eye and tell you yes, Um, if you ask him straight up do these are these things out here? You'll go, oh, yeah, he will not bat an eye at it. But like I said, people in that area, they just they don't care to tell you the truth. They're though, some of the most truthful people that you'll ever come across. They don't care what you think about them, they don't know you. They'll just tell you the truth. You know. That's how we grew up in Obama. Like you tell the truth or you get in trouble, you know, um, And they're not afraid to say that. No. I understand why you care that because once you once you've heard the whoops and tree crash behind you and had stuff come into your campside, you tend to carry a gun when you go out there. You've been when you're rock climb. Okay, I took my forty five with me, no matter what. Now, would that hurt him or it or they? I don't know. I doubt it. I would. I would probably just shoot it in the air. I don't think I could shoot one right there. The people really the only way I can

1:09:20 explain them, just while harry people would be the That's the only way to really kind of explain. There's no way I could pull the trigger even if I had a gun and at in Arkansas on the Buffalo, if I would have had a gun. There is no way I could have pulled the trigger. No way, There's no way, because that is a living, breathing Wow, he's part of our ancestry somehow. There's just no there's no way, there's no way that they don't have human g I just I would find it very hard to believe that they don't have some type of human DNA.

1:10:09 I mean, I guess me. Melville Kitchens kind of kind of said that, right, like, just like it's in between eight and human and here I here's something that I thought was really interesting. I watched this video of a chimpanzee and there were numbers being being brought up on a computer screen. If he got those numbers right one through twenty by pressing them on the screen, he'd get a treat. And then they would mix the numbers up and they'd leave the screen on, and then he would do the numbers, even though they were scrambled, and he'd get a treat, and then they just flashed the screen and all of those squares were now blank and all of the numbers were jumbled, and he still got them right. And all they did is flash it at him one second, and he's still got the numbers exactly right, which leads me to believe that if you grow up in the woods as a chimpanzee and you have to fight for your food, and you have to learn, and you have to use the trees and the woods to your advantage, your thought process is probably ten to twenty times faster than the humans because we lost that ability long ago. Now, if you think a sasquatch, if Sasquatch kept that ability, that's why he's the hidenzy campion of the world. Absolutely, because he knows you're in his house before you do.

1:11:27 And if you stumble on to one of them, is because he wanted you to see him, or he was sleeping or taking care of an infant or something and you just got lucky to walk up on him right or on them or whatever. That's how I think about it in those terms, Like the reason that they survive is because they're instinctually more adapt to their surroundings and they have to think at such a phenomenal level to be able to survive in the woods. I mean, I could walk out in the woods today and nobody would ever know I was there, and I could survive out there, no problem. I grew up in the woods. I have no problem. I know the mushrooms you can eat. I can catch fish, I can kill deer. I can do that with a sling shot. So to be born out there into that and then and then you have to you have to watch what your parents do, and you have to learn all of these things and what you can and can't eat, your your your thought process when it comes to being able to adapt to trees. Because obviously they have a mid tarsal break, so that foot obviously works really great for climbing. I don't see how it couldn't because jimps have a mid tarsal break, you know what I mean, they climb really well. Um, so what that makes me think that their their minds work a lot faster than ours do when it comes to

1:12:59 that because they are an apex predator like a chimpanzee. People think chimpanzees are all cute and cuddley. They are not. They will rip your face off. They are vicious, vicious critters. Um. You know the billy apes or the bondo apes. You know six foot tall chimpanzees that kill lions. Okay, Like, if those things exist, what makes you think we don't have one in the United States, absolutely, you know what I mean, like, yeah, you know, it makes no sense to me. Um. And and there's a there's a tribe um. I guess it's Alaska, Canada there on that border of Alaska and Canada. I mean their story is when they came across the land bridge that their big brother Sasquatch, is the one that helped them get there. I mean I even have a picture of their flag and it's a Sasquatch, you know. I mean their name actually translates basically Sasquatch. You know, like like well, I mean, and the deal is is like if you want information, you should probably listen to the people that the natives, right, Like those those stories have been to pass down for thousands of years. I mean, people take the Bible seriously, those stories has been passed down for thousands of years, you know, Like why wouldn't you listen to the people that lived on this land, who lived in those woods, who had to had to do that. Why wouldn't you listen to them? Um for information? If you want information, right,

1:14:29 Like, it makes no sense. That's like that's like you're you know, like you tell telling your grandma, I don't want to listen to you because you don't know anything, and you're well right, like, it makes no sense. You're an infant compared to her. She's been through it, you know, like you should probably listen to your elders, um, and and and the American Indian tribes. Those are your elders when it comes to this side of the planet. And I'm and what I mean by that is Mexico to Canada, right North America. You know, um, because every single a single person from Canadas to Mexico, those are those are your Native Americans. So you should probably listen to them. That is the interesting part. There's the stories are very similar. You mentioned you're in Pennsylvania. Now, um, have you have you started to look into how out there are you near the Chestnut room? Uh? You know what, let me look.

1:15:25 I don't know, honestly, I don't know. I'll tell you right now. If I go out my door, there's a mountain on the right, and there's a mountain on the left, and there's one right behind me, and I can literally go I can go deer hunt in my backyard there you go, I mean right there. I can walk outside and go in the woods and there are plenty of deer back here. Um. We are in the let's see, where would this be? Um, I'm near um uh Williamsport. Um. So basically everything around us, all the way into the Great Lakes, all the way up into New York State, it's just woods men everywhere. Everywhere. It's the cast Skill Mountains really, and and then you come out of the cat Squit Cat Skills into Susquehanna. I'm on the Susquehanna River. Um. Um, it's all of this is woods out here, man like. I cannot wait to explore this place much further than I have. Um. And you mentioned what was the name of the place you just mentioned. So the region there's a region of Pennsylvania that's heavily known for Bigfoot and weird stuff in UFO is that's the southwest corner Chestnut Ridge, some really weird stuff that goes on over there. But there's also your area.

1:16:47 You're getting closer to screen Chestnut Ridge, New York, nut Chestnut Hill, PA, Chestnut Road, Apple, that's New York. Is that we'll just look at Chestnut Hill, Yes, okay, okay, southeast corner. Um, it's it's southwest like around around Uniontown southwest, Yeah, southwest. I'm looking on my map here to see, Um, I would suspect they're here too. Where I'm I'm telling you, buddy, it's just if if I were living in the woods, I would be living in these woods.

1:17:28 UM say, Union City or Uniontown, Uniontown kind of an area south of Pittsburgh. Yep, I see that. That's just a few hours for me. Um towards west. Um. But yeah, in between here and there, all it is is woods and rivers. There's hardly any people out here. All of the towns are very small unless you go into like Allentown or Scranton, UM or you know, Williamsport everything else. On the outskirts, it is pretty much you know, rednecks exact Yeah, exactly so. And I say that, I say that with love. I mean I grew I grew up like that, you know what I mean. Like when I got here, Um, I have a bit of an accent, and and everybody around me at an accent, and I'm like, what in the hell where am I? Because I thought for sure they'd have a northern accent. I mean, I call my buddy up, I call my buddy up in Oklahoma.

1:18:24 I was like, dude, I got something to tell you. He knows what's that. I said that the country is country no matter where you are in the States. I think all of these some bitches talk just like we do. He's like, are you serious. I was like, I'm telling you, man, listen, and I just We're in the bar and I'm these guys are talking and he was like, they do sound like us. I was like, yeah, it's crazy. So yeah, I mean everybody out here, everybody in this Yeah, everybody around here are They're all hunters, fishermen, outdoorsmen everywhere you're looking. I mean I got here right as hunts as a deer seasonal starter. And uh, I mean I went to Walmart and there was literally a line all the way from one side of Walmart to the other, people trying to get you know, get their license and get their tag. Oh exactly. You know, you know, you know, you're you know you're you know you're in a good area. Win.

1:19:11 Um. But yeah, I do want to explore this, um, this side of the country. UM when it comes to the subject um and so I am going to look into it. I'll jump on the vfr O and see where most of those sidings come from and see what I can't do about getting into those areas or and work if I'm close to those areas, Um, because I'm assuming I'm I've got to be pretty close. Because I'm nestled between just the mountains. I think he everywhere here is up there. You'll be surprised once you start looking. There's there's a ton of big foot action that goes on in Pennsylvania. But Robert, Yeah, this has been yeah, an awesome, like absolutely fantastic chat. Your encounters, brothers are intense, the most intense I've ever heard, to be honest, Like, it's gonna take a while to process. It's a while for me to process it, but yeah, a while. And you know, I've heard other people's stories too. You know, you tend to come across people that want to tell you their story. Um. And then I've actually been friends with a guy, um since around two thousand. He was actually part of my motorcycle crew. User. He was the lead guy for a motorcycle club.

1:20:29 And um, he had a he had a he had something happened to him while he was a kid in um in Arkansas and in the Folk region. Oh yeah, Folk Carkansas, yeah. Um, that's what he was from and from what I he would not he to this day, he will not tell me that story. Wow, that's how frightened he was. He's like, Nope, I won't talk about it, man, leave it, leave it alone, leave it alone. Like he will not, he will not talk about it. And I understand now I kind of understand why. Um one, there's this stigma of you telling your story and people thinking you're crazy. At this point, I'm forty eight years old. I can care less. Um yeah, Like I don't care what you think it happened. I was there too bad. You either take take me for for who I am or you don't don't care. But I actually, I do understand how people with encounter, especially when they were young, might not ever want to talk about that. You know, I was. I was. I was kind of blessed to be old enough to wrap my head around what just happened, because it was. It was freaking freaky. Man. It it changes you everything about you, and I don't know that it changed me for the better, um immediately. Um, it took a while for that for that change.

1:21:44 The better, the better side to come out of that, because I was, I was pretty. I was pretty skeptical about about the woods after that. I was like, man, you know, like I love being at here, but shit, I really need to carry a gun, you know, like what appens? What do you? What do you do? Like? Yeah, what I mean? Because it it scares you to your to your soul. You're you're confused, man, I was confused for a very long time after that. My god, did that really happen? Like am I freaking nuts? Like you run through it over and over and you're like, no, I was there, there, it was. I see it. I can when you when you think about it, you see it in your mind's eye clearly. I mean I can. I can literally see his skin and that it was kind of oily. I can see all of those things because you take it all in man, like you just there's nothing else to do but sit there, frozen and just let it happen. And as an observer, I was very observant because I was I was already kind of not one. You're never gonna You're never gonna be ready for that to happen. It's just when it does, it's You're lucky. It's like seeing a cougar. Man, you know what I mean like, um, and I've I've been in the woods a lot, and I've had some encounters and I've seen some cougars. Um. But it's because I'm always in the woods.

1:23:11 Um. So people that aren't always in the woods, they don't really understand what's out there. You know, they're they're looking at National Geographic on TV or the History Channel or whatever m from their couch. Um they don't. They don't actually go out in the woods for fun and stay out there for months at a time. And it's head you know, like I've done that. I would much rather do that actually sometimes than go to work. I would much rather just I wish I could work in the woods. That would be right right there, you go. I did for a long time. Yeah, I did for a while. I just I worked. I worked in oils, so uh and that's what I did. I spent sixteen hours a day in the woods, you know, trying to find oil.

1:23:51 Um. You know, once you get older, you're like, oh, I guess an office shop feel a lot better. Um. Well, you know, yeah, and then of course, like you know, running running the climate facility. Um. You know, during the week, I'm inside the gym on the weekends, I'm guiding. I'm in the woods. I'm taking out boy scouts, I'm taking out pas, I'm taking out clients, I'm taking out the team kids. You know, we're taking trip Stark and so we're taking Tripsdale Path. So we're trying to go to the Red River Gorge. We're we're always trying to get somewhere, or we're going to Colorado to climb of fourteener or whatever. Um, we're trying. We we spend our time working to get outside. Um. And I've always done that my whole life. I worked so I can afford to go outside. Um, because that's where all the funds out. You know, that's where you experienced.

1:24:46 Life is outside, you know. And rock climbing is taking me everywhere. I mean I've been all over Europe and in Mexico and the Leaves and Germany and Spain, Austria, just the name of you. UM. I really enjoy being out there. Uh. Given if it's just hiking, you know, just being in nature is the best place to be as far as I'm concerned. But when you have an experience like that, it tends to tends to record thought process. To say, just for a little while, but it's like everything you know, and I haven't had the privilege of seeing things like that, but I have experienced in Iowa, like stuff messing with my tent. I've got on audio and we heard wood knocks and we heard a big tree get pushed over in front of us. And this is on a in an area in Iowa. Me and my buddy, we're looking for bigfoot last summer. And you know, so I haven't had that like class a like really crazy, you know, being able to look at it.

1:25:50 But I've heard somebody trusting things. I don't know that. I don't know that i'd wish it on anybody real, But if you're lucky enough to have it happened, I hope it's um. I think that it would be okay with you because now you've you've had time to research and and see it and and see the videos and hear the vocalization and all of these things, right, so you might process it a little bit better. In two thousand and four, I you know, I had done my research, so I was not ready for that and meshed me up a little bit, just a little bit. That's kind of hard to admit. I'm a big chuck guy right there you go, tough rock climb or whatever whatever. Um, but yeah, I mean mentally you have to wrap wrap your head around that, and it's it's exciting. Uh looking back on it, it's it's uh pretty freaking.

1:26:53 I feel blessed and more than anything now that I actually got to see one up close and personal like that. Um, but it's like seeing a UFO right once you look. Once you see one, you never stopped looking up. No, you always want to see it again. Now I totally get that. Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, you always look. I'm out, I look it up right now. The stars are out, I'm my my neck is outstretched. Um. You never stopped looking up and and and an instance like that, Um, you never start looking. You never stopped looking for sign when you're in the woods. I'm always looking for sign for deer. This morning I found I found some really good signed because my dog jumped up a giant buck in my backyard and now I found his rub line and head line. Um next next, next season, I'm just gonna I'm gonna feed him, making my pet and then put him on my wall. There you go, um, there you go. Um, but yeah, I mean you know, I never stopped looking for stuff like that.

1:27:53 Now, um we were talking about in Megee Creek, I found I found the brake line. While I went back to that break line more than once, and I followed it, and it goes for miles really and it's it's about the same size trees and you can follow it. I followed it for at least a mile and a half, at least at the least I followed it for a mile and a half. I went down to the first point that I found it, and I went that would be I went east first and followed that, followed that break line, and I got to a point where it just stopped at the at the lake, um, at this little area where you can drop off the cliff line onto this beachy area and this big flat rock. And so then I turned around and I followed it back and you could follow that thing all the way back into with berhala, Wow, it's there. And then I also started putting little treats out there every time I go out there. So I go to that brake line and I found I found some antlers, So I put I put the antlers on that break you know, and see what happened. I'd come back later.

1:29:00 They're gone. I don't know what would take antlers unless you had a hand. They were gone, or there was another human. It could have been another human, right, But I found some antlers. I thought, why not, I'll just leave them right here and see and see if they're see if they're there. The next time I come, they were not. I came back. What that was a time I did that. I came back the weekend after they were gone. I just wanted to see it. You know, I heard about gift me. I actually contacted the bfr O there. I actually contacted the bfr O there um that year about this um and and talk to one talk to a lady about it and uh and we were gonna set up um a time to go out on a little camp out there.

1:29:45 And it never really happened that since really it never happened. Oh my goodness, No, it never happened. We just we couldn't get connected, we couldn't figure it out. And then I ended up moving to Colorado. Um so, man, so I just never really had but you know, UM, I gave them all of the information. I gave them where to go and why um, you know, I told him about the prince, I told him about the encounter in in the campsite. I told him about the tree breaks. I told them where to find them and how to find them. Um so hopefully they're doing a research out there. That was my main goal. I wanted them to go out there and get that get that research. I told I've told my best friend. I told the guy.

1:30:30 You know, we me and the guy who was there, we've talked about it plenty of times. And then I did. I did contact to be a horror and that one because they need to go out there and take away in that area refectly. And if I was sorry, what what county is that? Um Atoka County? I believe it's Atoka a Toka County. It might be how do you stay a t o k a Atoka? Just like just like Okay, Oklahoma. It's on Highway sixty nine and you said it's around two thousand and four, you would have you would have um put that in Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was oh wait that two thousand.

1:31:13 That would have been in two thousand eleven, Okay. And it might have been after that. It might have been after that. Like I said, I had, I had to. I had to take all that in for a while before I thought to give them a hall. Yeah, ok, Oklahoma. Um, if you're looking up on the map, it could be I think it's a Toka county. I think that's what the county is. I'm trying to zoom out to see if they give me county. But oh it might be. No, it's gotta it's gotta be a Toka. I think. Um, when you're coming up sixty nine, you come through Durant, hit a Toca, and then from a Toca you'll hit the Calister and then um and from there that is those are the washing toss so the washingtons and then the Kyamee She's they're all basically the same mountain range. Gotcha.

1:32:03 Wow, Robert, this has been an amazing chat. Thank you so much for for hanging out with me tonight. Appreciate it has been amazing. Absolutely any appreciate it. Any final final thoughts before we uh we look towards wrapping things up for tonight. Final thoughts. Let's see, I would say my final thoughts really are I'm I really appreciate what you do, um, and I I hope you continue to do it. And I hope you continue to bring awareness to what's going on out there. UM. One way or another.

1:32:47 It needs to come out. It needs to be it needs to be mainstream. If you if you would, um, I think people need to know that they should probably protect the woods a little bit. Sure, I should. They should care about it, UM, because we're not the only ones at or use it. If you'd like to make a special one time donation to Bigfoot Society, you can head on over to our buy me a Coffee page and I'd like to shout out someone who has bought us a coffee this last week, mister Wayland W. Colburn his messages. I love the show. I used to listen to insert the name of another popular Bigfoot Encounter podcast, but they never have any new stuff. Keep up the good work, my friend. Well, I appreciate that, Wayland. If you'd like to buy me a coffee as well, you can head on over to the show notes and find the link in there. Become a supporting member of the Bigfoot Society podcast by going to www dot Patreon dot com forward slash the Bigfoot Society and receive extra episodes and early ad free episodes as well. If you've got a personal bigfoot encounter you would like to submit for me to share on the podcast, Please head on over to www dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot com.

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