"I Was Surrounded by Whoops in Oklahoma"

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All it is is was then,
Robert, have you ever heard of I

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know exactly where it is in that
area, Every single person there goes the

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other. If you can ask,
just randomly ask somebody, but you believe

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it's as much asked the damn loote. And then they stand up, and

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then they start movinging from tree to
tree to tree towards the hogs. The

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biggest one, the one in front, goes back to all fours and takes

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off immediately. And what happens next
is what scared the crab out of him,

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because it literally it came off of
all fours, hit the hog with

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two hands, breaking its back,
grabbed it by the hind legs, swung

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it over to the tree and smashed
his head on the tree and slung it

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over its shoulder and looked right at
him in his tree stand. The following

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episode of Big Society contains extreme exploit
language. Please be aware of your surroundings

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if you're listening without headphones. Thank
you. All right, Well you want

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to ask questions? Do you have
any questions for me yet? Well,

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I'm going to go ahead and get
into where this thing started before we get

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to start, so just to make
sure, so I'm gonna present. So

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this is Robert, and Robert is
wanting to share some encounter stories to do

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with Bigfoot. He's got he's got
some stuff to share with us. So

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sit back, relax, all and
Robert, I'm gonna just let you share

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what's what's on your mind. Fantastic. All right. Well, I'm gonna

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share a little background about myself really
quick, because I think that might be

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important. I grew up in Oklahoma, eastern Oklahoma, and a little tiny

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town of Evener. Nobody's probably ever
heard of that town unless they're gonna be

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listening. You might have a couple
of guys listening to this podcast from there.

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I'm sure. Um, I've been
all over the place. Um,

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but most of my life I've spent
it in the woods, whether hunting,

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fishing, trapping, you name it. Um. In ninety four I got

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addicted to rock climbing, and I
have been doing that ever since I am

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forty eight years old, So I've
been doing it in a very long time.

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Any chance I can get into the
woods to go hunting or climbing,

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I'm I'm gone. Um Uh.
I live to do that. I don't

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really live to work very much.
Um. I work to be able to

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afford to go outside. Um,
you know, as a child. Um,

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you know, everybody's in the Patterson
Gimblin film. UM, so definitely

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take my interests as a kid,
you know, um the whole big Foot,

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thank you. UM. I moved
to Oklahoma when I was about fourteen,

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a little maybe thirteen, and h
I got introduced to the side of

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the family that I didn't really know, um, my grandmother's side, and

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one of my cousins, he's actually
a great cousin, had built a cabin

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and he told me a story about
this cabin that he built and his girlfriend

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went out there at the time.
I think they might have been married,

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might have been his wife, and
they had a bit of an encounter themselves.

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He told me the story freaked me
out. Then of course he showed

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me the cabin. They really freaked
me out. As a fortuneeer, I

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was like, okay, because you
know, I'm kind of used to going

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in the wood by myself. He
said, don't never do that unless you're

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carrying a side on, Yes,
sir. Later on, me and a

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buddy of mine decided we're gonna go
do a little hog un and we went

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out to a little area called Deer's
Out and near well the closest, the

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closest next city, I guess if
that's what you want to call Mina,

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Oklahoma. Um is Mina, Oklahoma. And it's still a couple thirty miles

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through the woods to get there,
maybe maybe more. Um it's just on

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the Queen Wilhelmina side of the mountains. And we decided to go up and

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we're just going to drive up this
old logging road and see if we could

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find some hog tracks coming across the
road and maybe get out and get lucky.

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And it rained a couple of days
prior to that, and we came

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around this curve and my buddy came
to an abrupt stop, and when he

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did, I knew exactly what he
was looking at, because I was looking

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at one on the right hand side
and he was looking at one on the

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left hand side. And basically what
had happened was we were looking at some

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very large, barefooted prints that literally
one stride across the road, so basically

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one stride was as wide as this
old board truck. We got out,

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of course, we grabbed our rifles
and we headed off in the direction of

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those prints, and we got about
seventy yards off the road and we were

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like, nah, we're not doing
this, So we jumped back in the

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truck and continued on our way.
That was the first instance I actually seen

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actually will sign of a sasquatch.
I mean, I don't know who's running

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around out in the woods making making
big prints like that. Um, you

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know, the closest town is,
you know, between thirty and fifty miles

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away, and everything in between there
is just the woods. I don't know

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who would be doing that. So
we were pretty we're pretty taken it back

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by it. And of course that
was back in eighty ninety maybe eighty nine.

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It was a long time ago,
but it was very interesting to me.

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UM. So you know that the
subject of sasquatch was was definitely ingrained

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to me at that point. Um. Once I've seen sign, it was

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Ah, that was a that was
a definite something's out there. Um,

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if it leaves a track in the
woods, it's more than likely living.

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UM I contracted you to talk about
talk about later on in life. UM,

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I had I'd been living in Dallas, and in Dallas, um I

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was running the climate facility there and
the closest climbing area to us. We've

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been Austin. It's about three and
a half hour drive. And the next

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closest area is corse U Canyan Ranch
up in um, Arkansas near the Buffalo

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River region, which I'll get to
in a minute. UM. But growing

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up in Oklahoma, I know that
there's a bunch of fluffy, luffy sandstone

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to climb out there, and so
we started looking at areas just across the

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Red River there UM near Atka,
in the McGee Creek area, UM for

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boulders and rock lines to develop.
UM. We wanted to develop some areas

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so climbers in our general vicinity had
a little closer area to go to.

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UM. Really quickly we found we
found a lot of areas, so we

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decided UM. This was in two
thousand and ten. UM. I had

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other friends go with me out to
McGee Creek and we drove all the way

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out Highway three there and to the
second exit like we were told to go

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in. It's I don't know,
twenty miles outside of a toca and then

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another I don't know ten miles down
to basically a dirt road. It's kind

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of concrete, I guess blacktop,
and we drove all the way to the

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end. It's kind of like a
just a circle parking area, and we

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see that there was a trail that
walked off into the woods. So we

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all got out and we were just
there to hike around and see what the

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boulders look like and see if we
could find stuff to climb. We were

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there total of about thirty minutes.
Before we left. We walked into the

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woods and there was a trail forked. One went off to the left and

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one went off to the right down
into the Hall of Theirs. And as

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we were walking down there, one
of my friends was from actually from DC

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is a Jamaica fella. He was
pretty much grew up in the city and

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he was very new to rock climbing
and he was excited to get out in

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the woods because he hadn't done a
lot of that. The other two friends

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of mine, of course females,
and another another male that was with me

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without a man nameless. And as
we walked into the woods, we got

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in there, I don't know,
a couple a couple hundred yards and the

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first thing we hear off to our
left in the distance was a very pronounced

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whoop and once that whoop happened,
one up on top of the hill happens

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another whoop, and then we got
a long guttural I don't even know what

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to call it. Howell, I
guess, and everybody's looking at me,

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and my friend Mario goes up,
what was that? Actually, I can

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tell you what it isn't I said, it's not a bear, it's not

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a coyote, and dear, don't
make sounds like that. And we continued

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on and we started looking at a
rock that we came upon, and the

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next thing we know, we hear
another couple of whoops, and then a

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tree comes out, and at that
point we decided that we were going to

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go ahead and leave the area.
UM. So we turned around and went

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back to the car, and we
actually drove all the way back around into

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Atoka and then went back into Stringtown
to look at some more rock that we

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had found on the on the other
side of Mickey Creek. U. But

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that that that instance right there really
kind of drew me into that area.

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It was really interesting for me,
kind of scary for the other boats.

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UM. We did find another area. UM. It took a little getting.

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We had to get We had to
get a course permission from a couple

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of landowners because um, their property
lines kind of crossed this outcropping of rock

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that ran for about a quarter of
a mile or maybe a little longer actually,

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And our first outing out there,
one of the gentlemen that we've gotten

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permission from was a Chalkcot gentleman,
and him and his son came riding up

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on the four wheelers and asked me
and my friend Kensey at the time we

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were out there, we're going to
camp out for the weekend. They come

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walking or driving up on the four
wheelers and I mean the first thing out

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of his mouth was, Hey,
you guys camping out here tonight. And

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we're like, yeah, we're gonna
be here for the weekend. He goes,

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I wouldn't do that if I were
you, And we're like why he

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said, He goes, this is
sasquatched this home, and I was like,

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wait a minute, Like really,
He's like he's like, oh yeah,

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he's like everybody in this area knows. He goes, he goes,

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this is their home. He goes, Kimara, let me let me show

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you what I mean. We're on
the right side of this road. And

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he takes us over to the left
hand side of the road and there's an

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opening that you could consider a campsite. And as we crossed this little creek

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to to walk over there, he
stumps his foot and the whole thing echoes.

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So there's definitely a cave system or
a hollow, a very large hollow

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space underneath this this area. And
he goes, they live here, and

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we're like interesting, So we had
we had a kind of an interesting conversation

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um about that. And then he
told us, of course that you know,

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um, they he finds, you
know, footprints in his yard all

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the time. When his garden gets
robbed, they should come in and take

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squash and cabbage and other things that
he grows out there, and he just

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lets him do it. So I
was very interested to talk to this guy,

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we said, we sat and spoke
for a while. UM. So

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coming back to McGee Creek, UM, same person, Kensei Ckensey, my

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friend Kenzie. We decided to go
out there back in two thousand and ten.

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We wanted to find a little area
that was in the place that we

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got scared out of that day,
and we decided to go out there.

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Um. That was in two thousand
and eleven. It was probably it was

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a second week of March. In
February of that year, there was a

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terrible, terrible ice storm in Oklahoma. I mean it looked like a bomb

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went off in Oklahoma and just everything
just got flattened. And in March the

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weather kind of perked up a little
bit on that second week, and as

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climbers, we like it a little
bit cold for sandstone. Sandstone tends to

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get a little bit more friction to
it for not only your hands but you

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but your climbing shoes as well,
So you tend to stick to it a

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little bit better when it's got cold
temps, you know, around fifties,

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even into the forties. So we
decided we're going to go out here because

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we'd already figured out the areas that
we wanted to boulder, and some of

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the rocks have already. We had
a couple of friends to go out there,

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and I already put up some boulder
routes, so we decided to go

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out. We stopped into Zoka,
Um that's a little liquor store there,

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and we grabbed a half pint of
Southern Comforts because it was getting cold that

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night. Um, so We got
there and we pulled down. There is

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a ranger station there. Um little
house. And we pulled down right before

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the ranger station and pull off into
a primitive camp area. And next to

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this camp area is u is a
bob wire fenced off area where where people

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will pull in their their trailers with
their horses. Um. This this,

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this place has hardly ever used.
McGee Creek is unless you're going fishing the

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huge lake out there. Um,
but a lot of people go out there

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and ride their horses on the trail
out there. It's about seven miles out

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and back on that trail, maybe
nine. Um. So we set up

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camp and I go, hey,
man, I'm gonna go ahead and start

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on camp fire. Go ahead and
set up the tent, get all the

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stuff out of the car. I'm
gonna grab wood across the street. I

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just there's wood everywhere because of the
storm that came through her and just knocked

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everything down. So I hop over
this for a while or bobble of our

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fence, and um, there's a
tree there. It's a it's got a

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lie in it. And so I
just start picking up long branches and snapping

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them off in between the wy to
try to make firewood. And I'm also

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throwing this wood over the top of
the bob wire fence into the road so

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I can carry it a little bit
easier into the campsite. And I did

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this for u fifteen or twenty minutes. I'm just snapping wood, I mean,

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just cracking it as hard as I
could, trying to get stuff broke

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up and anyway, get the fire
started. We hang out, We take

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a couple of sets of soco.
It starts getting pretty cold. We chatted

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a little bit. He's like,
man, let's let's just hit the hit

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the bed. Their girls are going
to be here in the morning pretty early,

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so let's do that. I was
like, man, I'm I'm I'm

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okay with that. Let's do it. Anyway. We had two female friends

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of ours coming to meet us that
that morning. The thing is, we

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hopefully gave good enough directions for them
to get there. We were thinking about

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that because there is no phone service
out there. It's you're you're in the

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middle of nowhere. Um. So
later on that night, I'm already all

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I've been asleep. I passed out
pretty hard and the next thing I know,

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Kenzie is trying to wake me up. Rob get up, Like,

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what's up, man, He's like, some of these in our fucking campsite.

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And I hear something out there and
it it's I know exactly what it

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is. It's my cooler, Okay. I have one of those little FlipTop

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blue and white flip top iglue coolers. Right, just a little one,

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right, and whatever it was,
Okay. At this point, I'm thinking

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it's a raccoon. Um. Kensey
crawls over the top of me and starts

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to unzip the tent and he says, Rob, get the fuck up.

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He's in our campsite. He go, Rock, get the fuck up.

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He just stuck down behind the car. I said, fuck it, get

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that motherfucker. I thought for sure
there was going to be a guy there.

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And when we came out of that
tent, all balls. They shribbled

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pretty quick. When it stood up, and it was it was playing as

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day buddy, right in between seven
and eight feet tall. It was as

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wide as my refrigerator. And it
immediately just took off down the fence line

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there and it sounded like elk running
through the brush. I mean it was

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a lot of noise, okay,
and then the fence we hear the fence

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break, and then we continue to
hear the woods just get destroyed for I

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don't know the next hundred yards or
so. And the reason I say that

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is because the next morning we did
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We stayed up pretty much until the
sun came up. I finally fell asleep,

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and then about seven forty five eight
am, my phone rings, which

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was weird because, like I said, you shouldn't have service out there,

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and they're no sales service. I
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they were just close enough when they
called that it connected because literally when they

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called that, they were literally passing
our campsite. And I was like,

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hey, you guys just passed us. When you get to the ranger station,

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turned back around, We're going to
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And so me and Kinsey go,
we can't say ship to the girls and

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I'm like, oh, no,
they're not gonna they will immediately want to

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go home. Yeah, and the
girls pull in and we haven't went and

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looked on the other side of the
car. We didn't do nothing. We

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were just standing there waiting for the
girls. Their girls come in, we

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greet them a horse there there maybe
ten minutes and here comes a gentleman and

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his wife pulling a trailer with horses
in it, and they pull into the

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little lot there that they had created
just on the other side of the bob

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wire fence. World. This happened
that night. So we decided we're gonna

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go ahead and cook breakfast, and
we started doing that over the campfire and

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got that thing stirred back up and
started getting some breakfast going. Um,

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we noticed that the guy who's trying
to pull his horses out of his trailer,

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those horses do not want to come
out of the trailer. They are

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whinnying, and they came, they
backed out and ran back in. They

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backed out and ran back in.
So me and Kensey walked over to the

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fence and were like, as everything
okay. He goes, I don't know

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what the hell is wrong my damn
horses, And me and Kensey kind of

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looked at each other. I'm like, maybe we do. You know That's

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what I was thinking, And I'm
sure you sure that's what he was thinking

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too. And he goes, well, I guess they're damn crazy today,

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and you put them back in the
trailer. Lock the trailer up and backed

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out and went on down the route. Wow. Well, since we were

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standing there, I start looking around, and of course I look up and

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at about eight or nine feet up, all of the branches as far as

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you can see down this fence line
are broken. So I start looking on

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the ground. Now, the ground
out there is not soft. There's it

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is a very rocky area. I
mean, finding prints in this area would

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be next to impossible, um,
most of it. Unless you're down near

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the river or the or the creek
or the or the or the lake,

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that's probably going to be a little
bit of impossible. Um. But there's

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a lot of leaf matter on the
ground, and you can see where those

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prints were. It was. You
know, when you run through leaves,

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you can see you can see those
prints, right, So of course we

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had to measure. We had to
measure those and I would basically have to

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do the splits in between the front
and rear of those prints. But the

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biggest thing I noticed once we got
about twenty yards down the fence line was

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that the fence was broken. And
you can see right there at the fence

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line there was a little bit of
dirt I guess you want to call it.

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With leaf matter on it, But
you can see where he actually spun

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on his on his foot to redirect
himself and once again looking up that between

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eight and nine feet up. Most
of the branches were taken out for the

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next hundred yards basically, I mean, you can just look at all of

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the damage that he created running through
there, which which leads me to believe

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that when he was doing that,
he had his arms up or at least,

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you know what I mean, Like
it happened to be how high up?

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How high up did the broken branches
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in between it was right around eight
ten to nine feet okay, just about

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about we'll just call it three feet
up my head, yeah, easily.

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But and I can understand why.
I mean, I guess if I was

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running for my life, I would
put my hands in front of me,

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you know what I mean, and
like run through the run through the brush,

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trying to clear it out of my
face. So I can understand that.

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When I think about it, I
think about I think about that,

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right, I think, like,
what would I do if I was running

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away from something through the woods in
the middle of the night. I would

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put my hands up and try to
get all of the you know, make

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sure I wasn't getting hit in the
face. Sure, So that's the only

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thing that I could I could think
of that happened clearly. UM needs to

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say. Um, Kenzie was a
little bit freaked out. Um, he's

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never experienced anything like that before.
UM, and I kind of I kind

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of had just a few years prior
to that. It was I freaked out,

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absolutely, Um, it wasn't.
It wasn't something I expected um to

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happen. And UM, I've sat
back and thought about what happened. Maybe

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it was me breaking all of that
wood up, the snapping of the wood,

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you know, I thought about it. It was like, maybe that's

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what brought it in. It could
have been the campfire. It could have

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been a lot of things. But
I feel like snapping that wood for that

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amount of time sure brought maybe got
him interested. Um. So me and

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Kensey decided to we went We went
climbing anyway. We went down back to

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the trail that we got scared out
of and we had instead of going right,

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Um, we went back and left
and we bolted around a little bit,

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and I started to notice, um
some tree breaks. UM and I

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noticed one and then another and it
all went, It all kind of started

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to go down towards the edge of
the lake, and there is a cliff

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line that runs that area there down
to the lake, and so I just

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kind of made a mental note.
We climbed for the day, and we

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left. We came back a month
later in April. Um. It had

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rained UM a couple of days prior, and we got out there because we

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figured that the sunshine and the wind
would definitely dried off that sandstone, and

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so we decided to go back out
and and see what we can find.

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Well, there's a there's another area
that we were told about, UM,

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and we needed to go down that
horse trail to find it. UM.

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And supposedly there were one hundred foot
cliff line out there. We couldn't see

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it on Google Maps, but you
know, all the locals were saying,

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yeah, they're a huge cliff out
there. Okay, let's go find this

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cliff. And what do they call
it? I think they call it wood

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booger Halla, which is kind of
right for bigfoot booger Halla. It was

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called um. Yeah. UM.
So we're we're going out there. We

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just want to see if we can
find this rock. Um. We're trying

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to develop rock there just because it's
close and we have a I have a

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lot of climbers in my just crap, tons of people, um that want

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to climb outside, and this is
this is just a great idea for us.

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And anyway, we decided to go
down this trail and we get about

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in between three and four miles then
and I'm seeing tracks, of course,

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I've seen Turkey tracks, seeing gear
tracks U. And at about three mile

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mark, I looked down and I
see a little barefooted print and I'm like,

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I really take a look at it. And I mean we're talking about

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size six or eight, you know, not a very big foot. But

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it's barefooted. And it's three miles
fifty miles, you know, forty miles

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from anywhere Turial and I'm thinking,
I'm thinking that's a baby squatch foot maybe.

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And I go, hey, Kensey, I put my I put my

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my nalgam bottle down and I go, hey, Kensey checked this out.

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He goes, dude, you missed
it. He goes, come here,

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and I, of course take go
back to him, and sure enough,

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there it is playing his day.
And we measured it out and it's probably

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eight inches across the toes and about
sixteen inches as long and it was,

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and then and then just about three
feet to the left of it, there's

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the little one right next to it. So of course we grab up pictures.

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We put the analogy and by all
our foot next to it, we

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snap all these pictures. Now,
this is two thousand and what was that

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two thousand and eleven. This is
two thousand and eleven, was a very

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long time ago. Um. I
really wish I had those pictures because we

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uploaded them to the computers at the
gym and then those computers. Yeah,

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I really wish I had those.
That would be great. UM, I

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would share them with you, But
those computers were trash when I got them,

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and they were trash shortly after.
Um. So, UM, that

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is McGee Creek. The reason I
bring that area up is because that instance,

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UM really kind of kind of made
me think this is a place they

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stay. And I can understand why
they stay there. There's plenty of game,

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there's plenty of waterway little creeks to
get in. I actually went out

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there and stayed a week and survived
off fish for the whole week. I

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just caught fish and hate them because
it's they're just right there. It's readily

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available, and there's an area that
we got down into, and I really

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want to go back there. I
live in Pennsylvania now, so there might

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be a minute before I go visit
it, um. But there's a's a

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it's a very sandy area down in
this creek bed, and I always wanted

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to go down there because if it
were me and I was trying to find

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food, it would be a really
good area to go to. A lot

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of a lot of logs and stuff
in the water. You could noodle out

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of catfish pretty easy. I'm pretty
sure. Being from Oklahoma, we do

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that stuff. We will go in
the water and stick our hands in rocks

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and pull out catfish. This is
noodling. It is a thing, um.

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And that's basically what I did while
we were out there. I would

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go out and fish, and if
I couldn't find if I couldn't if I

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couldn't catch one on rod and rear
a, I'd get in there and get

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my hand to get and get wet
and who now, Uh, it's pretty

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funny little suport. Unless you grab
a hold of a turtle. Then it's

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not so good, right, It's
not I got a few friends that are

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missing the fingers. Um yeah,
no snap and turtle, they know,

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joke buddy, Yeah, by bye
bye bye fingers out anyway, I understand

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why they're there. Um, Like
I said, lots of game, lots

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of water, lots of area,
and no people. There's just nobody out

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there. I mean there's nobody goes
out there to do anything, but you

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know, occasionally go out to ride
horses on the trail, but it's not

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very heavily used. Now, something
interesting happened in the years visiting this place

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because we started going out there pretty
regularly just to boulder around because we had

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the two areas to develop. Um, so we were going out there pretty

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frequently. Um. So I told
you that there would cross the road to

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get to Firewood. It was a
four wire bob wire fence that I just

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you know, just hop right on
over. We come back out there in

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two thousand, late two thousand and
eleven, I guess it would have been

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in the fall. I believe it
was September October. And now there is

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a ten foot chain leak fence all
the way around everything. And I mean,

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and I mean Jeremy, I mean
everything, all of the McGee Creek

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area is off to the left,
and there is this ranch on the right.

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And not only did they do the
McGee Creek area to the road that

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takes you down to the boat dot, the whole area now has a ten

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foot chain leak fence around it.
I got I got to ask you questions

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real quick, Robert, I've got, I've got, I got some questions.

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This is getting a wild dude.
Um, Okay, so myself listeners

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were not familiar with the Oklahoma map. Is any of this taking place in

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the eastern part of Oklahoma? Yes, sir, Yes, sir, Yeah,

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it would be it would be considered
that. Okay, So Hanno Hannobie

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is just is right there, bro
Okay. Not only that, Boggy Creek

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is right there, the Boggy Creek, Okay, it's the Washitas and I'm

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it's actually I'm on the kayan Mishi
side. Okay. The Kaya Mishi's run

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into Atoka, Okay, Atoka Reservoir
just on the just north of the Atoka

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Reservoir, that's north Boggy Creek,
and then Boggy Creek runs out through um

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runs out forty three there all the
way back to Stardust Lake into the other

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area. Um that I told you
about that there was on the other side

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of this specific area. Um.
So, forty three runs through Stringtown out

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of Atoka. You go through Atoka, you're going south. Um, you

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take String Town over on forty three. Forty three will take you all the

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way back out the Sardist Lake.
So in between forty three and Highway three

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sits McGee Creek, Okay, and
from there to Arkansas. It's just woodsmen,

409
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.720
It's just it's just it's the the
Kyne. She's run into the Washatas.

410
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.039
The Washatas run into the Winding Stairs. The winding stairs run into the

411
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.839
Blues. The Blues run into Queen
Willamina and then the Poto Mountain Range,

412
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.079
and then from there it's the Bostons
and the Ozarks. All of this is

413
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:41.599
woodsmen, Robert, have you ever
heard of I know exactly where it is.

414
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.119
Yeah, I have. I have
a few friends that are interested in

415
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:49.240
this, uh in this in this
uh in this thing. Yeah, I've

416
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:56.359
talked to a few people about this. Um. Yeah, Um, it

417
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.240
is. It's very prevalent where where
I grew up. Okay, It's it's

418
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:06.839
it's like, hey, that's a
bear, like it's we know they're there,

419
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.440
there's a bear in that area.
Every single person there goes to,

420
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.480
oh there, that's watch out there. You can ask just randomly ask somebody,

421
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.480
but you believe this, ask watch
as a damn lutely like they'll just

422
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:24.920
tell you like it's not it's not
a it's not a conspiracy theory. I'll

423
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.519
tell you that. We're we're all
out of those. By the way,

424
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:31.440
there are no more conspiracy theories there. It's all it's all out in the

425
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.680
open. Okay. And and and
one of the gentlemen that that um,

426
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:40.880
he told me a story and uh, we actually just bumped into each other

427
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:47.119
at um Um and we started talking
and he told me a story. Um,

428
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:52.640
he went out and he had a
wanted to kill some hogs and he

429
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:54.400
set up on a trail. And
I'm just gonna tell you this story real

430
00:32:54.480 --> 00:33:00.599
quick. Okay, Okay, So
he's and this is his story, not

431
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.519
mine. And let me tell you, I believe this guy one hundred percent.

432
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.920
He has no reason to lie.
He goes to church on Sunday and

433
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:08.680
Wednesday. I promise you this guy
has no reason to lie about this.

434
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:13.519
It freaked him out terribly to the
point where he won't go back out there,

435
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:15.960
Like, he will not go back
out He's like, I will never

436
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.960
go hunt out there again. Nope. Well, here's his story. He's

437
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.559
sitting in his tree stand and the
trail comes down off the hill, off

438
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:29.240
the hill and comes down into the
gully, and he sees he sees a

439
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.240
bunch of hogs coming this way,
and he's like, all right, I'm

440
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:37.640
about to get me some and he
decides to take something ticks his eye down

441
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.880
into the gully off to his right, he sees movements, so he starts

442
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:45.640
to look down there, thinking that
he's going to see more hogs. He

443
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:52.599
does not. He sees two very
large critters on all fours and then they

444
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:59.680
stand up, and then they start
moving from tree to tree to tree towards

445
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:05.759
the dogs. Once again, it
the hogs start coming down the hill,

446
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:12.360
and once again, the biggest one, the one in front, goes back

447
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:16.840
to all fours and takes off immediately
on all fours, by the way,

448
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:22.559
not on two feet, on all
fours, towards the hog. And what

449
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:28.519
happens next is what scared the crap
out of him, because it literally it

450
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:32.559
came off of all fours hit the
hog with two hands, breaking its back,

451
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.480
grabbed it by the hind legs,
swung it over to the tree and

452
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.440
smashed his head on the tree and
slung it over its shoulder and looked right

453
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:49.239
at him in his tree stand and
just walked off. He said that hog

454
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:53.840
was three hundred pounds, no problem, at least two hundred and fifty to

455
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:59.480
three hundred pounds. He said it
took two hands to smash that hog.

456
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.719
He finished it off by by swirling
it around and smashing his head against the

457
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.119
tree. Oh my goodness. And
when he was telling me this story,

458
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:12.119
I'm getting jills thinking about it right
now, me too, because I can

459
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.199
understand how, how and why he
will never go back to that area,

460
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:22.119
especially when it looked right at him
like thanks, I'm sure you can't share

461
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.559
this gentleman's name or no, I
wouldn't do that. Okay, that's not

462
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.880
that. Yeah, I know,
I know that was my sneaky journalist way

463
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:37.360
of of. You know, if
I understand, you know, I understand.

464
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:43.159
Yeah, yeah, So I mean
that was and that's his story,

465
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.039
and I guarantee I believe it um
because when he told it, I mean,

466
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.960
I'm a pretty good judge character when
it comes to when people are lying

467
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.920
to me, and I'm telling you, he he was. He was excited

468
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.639
about it and also it frightened him, which leads me to my next story.

469
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:05.880
Um so um as a rock climber. Um, this one is a

470
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:14.639
prior achievements. Um, this is
the one that scared you. Um.

471
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:20.360
Okay. So in two thousand and
four, UM, me and my climbing

472
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.000
partner, Carl, we decided that
we were going to have a little bit

473
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:29.480
of an adventure. We climb um
in Arkansas. I was living in Failability

474
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:37.079
at the time, and we climb
out in the Buffalo River region of Arkansas.

475
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:39.679
Now, the Buffalo River is,
as far as I know, it's

476
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.360
the only river in the United States
is the National Park upon itself. It

477
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:49.400
is beautiful, it is untouched,
it is magnificent. There is nobody out

478
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.840
there except actual hillbuilitings. Okay.
And and and that's dumbass rock. And

479
00:36:52.840 --> 00:37:00.599
that's dumbass rock climber lots of us
um um. But we decided we're going

480
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.039
to go to work for the Boy
Scouts of America. So I quit my

481
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.280
job and and we decided to go
ahead and go do that. So I

482
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:13.760
was going to be the treking director
and the assistant climbing director for a high

483
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.639
adventure camp for the Boy Scouts of
America located there on the Buffalo River.

484
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.719
Carl was going to be the climbing
instructor for the climbing walls and all of

485
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.679
that stuff. I was going to
run the trekking group. Basically, the

486
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.440
Boy Scouts were looking for their fifty
mile badges, fifty miles on the river,

487
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.199
fifty miles on trail. So that
was my job to take you know,

488
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.440
meaningwhere between fifteen and thirty scouts down
the river for fifty miles or on

489
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.360
trail for fifty miles. It was
a three day process no matter what.

490
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.719
We were pretty athletic guys. We
spend all of our time either working out,

491
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.559
climbing or running around in the woods. So and we do all of

492
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:57.079
the working out and the climbing to
go run around in the woods. So

493
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.760
when we get there, Arkansas is
basically a little Colorado. I mean it's

494
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:05.519
a little tiny Colorado. It's it's
it's amazing and everything is either up or

495
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:13.559
down. Um, the Ozark Mountains
are amazing. Um. We got we

496
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.719
had to go down to South Texas
and uh and do a little bit of

497
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:20.119
boy scout, a little bit of
a boy scout course to get ready for

498
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.559
um what we were about to deal
with at the High Adventure camp there and

499
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:28.159
on the Buffalo River region. And
once we got done with that, we

500
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.920
got back up there. Um.
And basically we remained there from April through

501
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:37.119
August in the woods in a tent. That's where we lived. UM.

502
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.000
So every morning we would get up
and we would take a run on the

503
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.320
trails. Um. We you know, the short run was about twelve miles

504
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:49.400
along runs about sixteen UM. And
this is this is terrain that most people

505
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.039
coming up from Louisiana and whatnot,
they're not going to have a very good

506
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.960
time with this. Boys. Um, Like I said, everything is up

507
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.599
um. And so we we took
a run that warning. It was a

508
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.400
short one. We did six miles
out and six miles back. We took

509
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.719
the BRT Highroad was what we called
it, so it was the upper Trail,

510
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:12.679
and then we came back on the
BRT Lower Trail, which ran through

511
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.559
and around right next to the river. The reason we did that is because

512
00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:20.000
during the heat of the day,
it's nice to be able to just check

513
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:25.719
your ass in the river. Also, this river is lined with limestone cliffs

514
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:30.719
and it looks like they've been painted
on. They're just beautiful. And we

515
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.039
wanted to take a look at a
few areas to see if we could actually

516
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.400
go back in there and place a
gear on them and climb them. So

517
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:43.039
we stopped in a place called Horseshoe
Bend, actually was just a little ways

518
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.079
past Horseshoe Bend, and we decided
to jump into the water, which we

519
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:53.199
stuck our stuff underneath this low lying
pine tree and proceeded to jump in the

520
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.480
water. Well, I came out
of the water and sat down, and

521
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:59.840
now I'm staring at this beautiful,
pristine rock that has never been touched,

522
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.639
and I want to climate. And
as I'm looking up there, I noticed

523
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:10.559
that there's something kind of just standing. They're not looking like a tree,

524
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.559
and I'm looking at it now.
The cliff is about one hundred foot tall,

525
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:23.119
maybe one twenty and about forty yards
back off the top of that,

526
00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.880
there's two cedar trees standing there,
kind of post it up. And there's

527
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:35.079
something that's a little bit taller than
those cedar trees just standing in the middle,

528
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:38.719
and it is very human shaped,
and I'm looking at it, thinking

529
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:45.599
no, and I go, hey, Carl, get your ass out of

530
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.880
the water and come here and look
at this. Carl comes, I was

531
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.599
like, what are you looking at
that rock? I was like yeah,

532
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:54.039
I was until I've seen whatever the
hell's standing right there between those cedar trees.

533
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:59.000
He goes, holy shit, what
is that? And at about that

534
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:05.039
moment it starts rocking side to side
and the trees are not moving. It

535
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.840
was like looking at a at a
monkey in a cage, you know,

536
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:13.920
that anxious look. Now can we
make out any features? No, it's

537
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.800
you know, it's one hundred and
some odd feet up and forty yards back

538
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.199
and he's standing in between these two
cedars trees. But it freaks us sound

539
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:27.039
enough that we walked back into the
water calmly, and we're looking up at

540
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.159
the cliff line, going a man, is that a big foot? Like?

541
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:30.559
What that's going to be a big
foot? Right? Like? What

542
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:32.840
the hell is that? Like?
Is that a guy with it freaking gilli

543
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.800
suit on? Like? What is
that? And I'm like, let's walk

544
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.199
back out and see if it's there, because if it's if it's gone,

545
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:45.320
then we're not crazy. So we
walk back out and we look up there

546
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:50.199
and it's gone. Those two cedar
trees are empty in the middle. We're

547
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.239
like, holy shit. We put
our stuff on and we casually put our

548
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:59.719
shoes back on and casually trotted our
asses down the trail back to camp.

549
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:08.199
So, which is the beginning of
this next story. Stone that was on

550
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.400
a Saturday, camp started Oh,
no, excuse me, that was on

551
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.400
a Friday. Camp started to fill
up. The next day on Saturday,

552
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:24.280
we had we had troopers coming in
and my first my first group was just

553
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:28.760
kind of a small group that was
about twenty two of them, and I

554
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:34.239
needed to do fifty miles on trail
with these kids. And we went out

555
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.880
and we did that. I took
him, I took him twenty five out,

556
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:43.440
twenty five back. The following week, I had to do the same

557
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:46.239
thing and we had a we had
a troop that came in from Louisiana and

558
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:51.679
they said, oh, you know, we've been to New Mexico the Jamboree

559
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:52.840
and we hid in fourteen er and
it was fine. I was like,

560
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.480
yeah, that fourteen or ain't nothing
compared to this terrain. Pack a lot

561
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:00.960
of water and food before we leave. Um, and you know, the

562
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:06.360
Scout masters aren't exactly the most healthy
dudes. UM. I figured they're gonna

563
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.480
be lagging behind. UM. But
I wanted to take UM. I wanted

564
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.519
to take them to Steel Creek out
UM. So leaving the camp, UM,

565
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.920
you you have to go through UM
Kyle's landing and then you go on.

566
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:21.360
You're on the VRT for a long
ways until you get the steel creaking

567
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.000
UM. So that was our destination. UM. We have to take UM

568
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.480
with the kids. I always take
a high road, UM. The low

569
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:30.639
road. I don't want to.
I don't want to. I don't want

570
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:35.599
to risk it. UM. So
we get to Kyle's landing, I explained

571
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:37.480
to them, Hey, listen,
this is gonna be a really, really

572
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.119
beautiful once we get to the top
of this. You guys are gonna get

573
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:44.519
Christine views of the Buffalo River when
we get to the actual top, he

574
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:45.960
goes. I said, you know, we're gonna sit down and we'll have

575
00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:51.679
lunch, and uh, it's gonna
be about another hour to have two hours

576
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.000
before that happens, um, and
most of this journey is going to be

577
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.840
uphill. I will probably be far
in front of you because I tend to

578
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:01.159
I've been out here for a few
months, you know, or a few

579
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:06.360
weeks, and these trails are pretty
easy for me. But I will check

580
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.159
on you and come back to you. If you need me, just scream

581
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:12.400
or holler or whistle. And you
know, I was like, hey,

582
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.199
I talked to the I talked to
the to the the troop masters, and

583
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.159
I was like, hey, like
just guys, may keep an eye on

584
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:21.840
the boys and got to stay everybody, stay on the trail. So we

585
00:44:21.880 --> 00:44:23.840
start heading up the trail, and
of course I have a pretty fast paced

586
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:28.800
when I'm hiking, so I probably
got I don't know, seventy or eighty

587
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:35.199
yards in front of the kids as
we're going up this trail. As I

588
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.559
as it gets up to the top
of this trail, or as I'm starting

589
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:44.360
to get to the top of this
trail, I hear limb snap, and

590
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:49.360
I mean it was loud, man, like a big limb snap. Something

591
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.519
something stepped and it hit the ground
and you could hear the snap and then

592
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:58.440
the hit on the ground. So
I actually took off running towards it like

593
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:04.039
a numb nuts because and the reason
this is is because in this part of

594
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:07.920
Arkansas, it's the only part of
Arkansas that actually has elk in it.

595
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:13.840
The Colorado brought elk into this area, and so sometimes they're in this area,

596
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:15.920
and they could have just been,
you know, busting through the brush

597
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:21.719
for all I knew. But I
took off running towards it. This is

598
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:28.519
where I get scared as I as
I see the limb that's laying now and

599
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:35.119
halfway on and off of the trail, I noticed that this is probably six

600
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:39.840
and a half seven inches around,
and I look up and I see where

601
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:46.320
it had snapped off, and then
I look off to the left and there

602
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:53.840
it was. He's probably forty yards
away. He is. He has his

603
00:45:54.079 --> 00:46:00.760
arm wrapped around an oak tree that
I would say is I don't know,

604
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.920
maybe a good twenty five or thirty
inches across twenty five maybe across the front,

605
00:46:06.960 --> 00:46:09.960
and his arm is all the way
basically around to the front of it.

606
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.960
And he is actually in a crouched
position, and I can see half

607
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.599
of his chest, half of his
face, and of course his enormous arms

608
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.719
and legs. And he was definitely
mailed with us to leave at that,

609
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:31.960
and he's just he's just there.
And of course I I wasn't doing a

610
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:37.519
double take. I was completely one
focused and frozen because at this point.

611
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:45.280
That's when Fright kicks in his hand. Let's go as he stands up.

612
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:52.280
And when he did, he stepped
away from the tree. And that's where

613
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:59.320
I you can really kind of really
suck in the massive amount of muscle on

614
00:46:59.559 --> 00:47:07.360
these human harry people. Yeah,
I would. I would. Honestly,

615
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.599
he looked like a big hairy dude
man. Like the best way to describe

616
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.760
it, Um, I was very
locked in on him. He didn't have

617
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:22.159
any he didn't have any hair on
his pecks. Um, he didn't have

618
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.360
any a lot of hair on his
face, um, other than the normal

619
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:31.639
man beard, really a little high
on the cheek, bones, very very

620
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.199
large eyes, sunk back um.
Of course, the the his brow ridge

621
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:44.320
was very defined, big, very
large, flat nose, and his jaw

622
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:51.440
line was just it was enormous,
these big almost very thin lists. But

623
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:59.760
just it looks a little awkward,
it's so wide. Um, I would,

624
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:07.559
I'd be a little clustered here.
I would say he was probably he

625
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:13.760
looked like the biggest linebacker on an
NFL, like a left tackle in pads

626
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:17.679
without the pads, you know what
I mean. Like he was just it

627
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:24.519
was just he was so oddly big. Yeah, and The coolest part was

628
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:31.199
is when he started to turn away, he showed his teeth like he grimaced

629
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.920
at me. I don't I don't
really know how to take that, but

630
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.320
an ape will do that if you're
looking him in the eyes, you know

631
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:43.079
what I mean. And stily did
that. He just kind of did this

632
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:47.440
gnarly grin at me. And that's
and then he just kind of turned stepped

633
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:54.280
behind the tree and then started to
walk away, but kept the tree at

634
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:59.679
his back. And then as he
as he started up the hill there,

635
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:05.920
I could hear the kids running up
and he would use his long ass arm

636
00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:14.360
to like push off of trees and
to grab trees and and move off of

637
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:19.079
them, and kind of like an
orangutan would do. And his arms were

638
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:23.599
ungodly long. The coolest part was
was being able to see not both of

639
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:29.840
them hands were of course enormous,
but the hair. The coolest part was,

640
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:34.000
I mean the hair hung long off
of his arms. Correct, Okay,

641
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.199
they hung long. I'm trying to
It hung long off of his arms.

642
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:44.480
And then when he turned around,
his hair was brownish red and black

643
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:50.000
mostly, and then when when he
turned around, it was a more of

644
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:55.440
a reddish brown and gray that kind
of came down his back just like a

645
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:00.760
silver back gorilla. Really, you
know that that almost pattern that came came

646
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:08.400
down to an apex his glutes.
I can remember just how big everything was.

647
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:15.920
His arms, his biceps were definitely
larger than my legs. They were

648
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:20.000
just And not only that, even
through all of the hair, there wasn't

649
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:25.039
a lot of hair around the bicep
area, so you could see it.

650
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:30.679
It was kind of thin there,
and you could see how massive and muscular

651
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:37.360
this this being was. I would
represent him. You know those um refrigerators

652
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.199
with the two doors. He was
as thick as one of those, and

653
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:45.599
definitely as wide as a refrigerator.
It would be the only way that I

654
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:50.840
could describe him. He was probably
in the seven and a half to eight

655
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.599
foot range, and one of his
pecks was as white as my whole chest,

656
00:50:55.199 --> 00:51:02.800
just one I would I would I
would say he was very barrel chested

657
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.239
like. It was just very pronounced
out to the front. And the reason

658
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:09.960
that I know that it is because
of the way he stepped away from me.

659
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:19.760
I got a very good side angle
of this massive fella. Um needles

660
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.800
to say, I'm I'm standing there, um and shocked that I'm actually looking

661
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.960
at one. Um, and this
was, of course prior this is two

662
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.679
thousand and four, this is prior
to two thousand and eleven. And I

663
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:32.480
hear the kids coming running up.
What was that? What was that?

664
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.800
What was that? And of course
I've got to turn my attention to the

665
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.119
scouts that are running up behind me, and I'm like, oh, guys,

666
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:44.079
you missed it. You guys missed
the elk. Like I didn't know

667
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.519
what else to say, Like what
am I gonna say? I'm gonna I've

668
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.679
just seen a sasquatch. I got
thirty freaking kids behind me, ages ten

669
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.559
to you know, thirteen, Like, no, you guys missed the elk.

670
00:51:54.840 --> 00:52:00.199
You know. Um. Funny thing
is is James, the guy that

671
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.679
was one of the scout masters.
Um, he noticed that I was a

672
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.239
little been out of shape, if
you want to say that. He goes

673
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:13.000
everything. Okay. I'm like,
oh, let's just keep hiking and we'll

674
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:19.559
talk about this later, maybe just
maybe. So we hike another hour or

675
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.599
so, when we get um an
hour and a half or so, and

676
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.480
we get to this little overlook area
where I was just I stopped the kids

677
00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:30.760
and we have we have lunch,
and scout master coming back up to me,

678
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:34.880
He's like, hey, so,
well happened over there? I said,

679
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.400
did you did you see that that
branch that was across the across the

680
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.320
trail there that I moved off as
we walked away. He goes, yeah.

681
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:45.599
I said, did you notice how
fresh that was? He goes,

682
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:49.159
actually I did. I was like, yeah, well you missed was the

683
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.119
two footprints right next to it?
Because he goes, I missed that?

684
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:58.920
I was like, yeah, so
this is what I think happened, Jeremy.

685
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:00.679
I think we spooked him. Yeah, And he was up in a

686
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:06.360
tree okay, And when he jumped
out of that tree, he grabbed that

687
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:10.280
branch to stop this fall, and
the branch broke. And then there were,

688
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:15.039
of course, there was the two
inventions. Now I looked at that

689
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:19.480
as the kids were already as they
were on me. Okay, and then

690
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:22.920
I moved that branch off of the
trail, and I'm looking at these,

691
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.639
I mean, and they're in the
ground a good inch and a half two

692
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.280
inches like. He was a very
heavy. If I were to guess how

693
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:35.039
much he weighed, I would say
he was well andre the giant was five

694
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:38.400
hundred pounds. He was bigger than
Andrew, So he was in the six

695
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:43.719
hundred pounds range. He had to
be. Man, there's just no possible

696
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:46.239
way that he weighed less than that. Like I'm looking at him, going,

697
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:52.360
there's just there's no way they weigh
less than that. It's just all

698
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:54.800
muscle too. On top of that, like, it's just it's all muscle.

699
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.880
So he had to be in that
range of weight because I'm pretty sure

700
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:04.559
him and Andrea, I mean,
Andrea would have been looking at his chin,

701
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:07.800
you know what I mean, Like, oh yeah, and Andrea was

702
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.639
a five and he would have been
looking at him, like, you know,

703
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:13.239
in his chin right at least in
the top of his chest. I

704
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.559
mean, because he was definitely a
head taller than Andre the giant, you

705
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:22.679
know, the wrestler. Do you
remember, so what the shape of the

706
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:29.119
head of of of it looked like? Yeah, I think I think I

707
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:34.079
think there, I think their head
um. I think their head shape is

708
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.679
a little deceiving. Okay, because
right back to the hair, Now,

709
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:45.239
did it slope backwards, yes,
does it look crowned, yes, But

710
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:50.840
his hair was extremely long over the
top of his hair as it as it

711
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:57.159
came down across his shoulders and on
top of that, it was dread lucky

712
00:54:58.039 --> 00:55:02.679
in a sense. It was very
matted and very oily and very and very

713
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:09.280
almost dreadlock like coming down off of
his head into his back hair. And

714
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:13.719
the only reason I'm telling you this
is because I was forty yards away from

715
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:16.239
this thing. Yeah, like he
was right there. He was right there,

716
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:20.719
and I was taking all of this
in and try enough to ship myself

717
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:22.880
early because I mean he really could. He could took three or four steps

718
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.320
and been on me, and then
he would have you know, thank god,

719
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.039
that wasn't on. I wasn't on
the menue. You just wanted to

720
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:35.039
get out of the way. But
you said you saw the big foot walking

721
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:38.760
away from you, correct, Yes, I did. Did you notice anything

722
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:43.920
about the bottoms of its feet at
all when it was walking? And it's

723
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:53.079
really specific? Yes. Yeah.
So they when they walk away one they

724
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:59.400
bring their leg up on the back
side. They bring it up almost ninety

725
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:04.960
degrees right almost. I'd say seventy
to ninety degrees seven, I'd say seventy.

726
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.159
We'll put it at seventy there,
Okay. The funny thing is is

727
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:14.400
that we all know that they kind
of walk on a type tight rope and

728
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:19.360
and and what you notice is that
the hip, the hip kind of comes

729
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:25.599
out and back as they step away. It's like their hip is I don't

730
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:30.719
even know how to explain that.
I don't. It's kind of you just

731
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:35.679
can't. I can't do it.
It's completely it's a completely different locomotion.

732
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:38.400
If you're looking at it, you're
talking about the actual gait of the the

733
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:44.800
sasquatch. How it's actual the actual
gait. Yeah, it's And not only

734
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:50.800
that, it was it's kind of
weird. It's kind of like he's really

735
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:55.880
soft stepping and taking small strides,
but it's very pronounced on the backside.

736
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:01.679
Right, it's just very pronounced on
the back side. Another thing I noticed

737
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:10.559
was, um, how it seemed
that his that his leg and his foot

738
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:16.639
were attached. There was more foot
on the back of the femur, right,

739
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:21.320
like the femur comes down into your
foot and it attaches to our heel

740
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.519
on the backside. But it seemed
to me, I'm just looking at it

741
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:29.920
into my mind's eye, that there
was just more foot on the back end,

742
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:34.079
and then it was more towards the
middle um, which I guess would

743
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:40.559
create that mid parcel break right in
the foot right. UM. Now I

744
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:49.679
had to look back at that in
my in my head in two thousand and

745
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:52.480
four, right, because after that, of course, you start you start

746
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:58.440
looking at you start looking things up, you start listening to doctor Meldrum.

747
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:04.800
You know, you start to make
friends, UM that have these encounters.

748
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.199
UM. I made friends with a
gentleman. I wonder if I can use

749
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:12.320
his name, M Well, he
wrote, he wrote a really good,

750
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:16.880
interesting book about this. UM.
His name is Mitchell. UM. I'll

751
00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:21.639
give you his first name, and
then I will I will let you know.

752
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.679
I'll actually send you his UM his
paper. He actually sends it to

753
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:31.320
me UM before it got peer reviewed
and before his book was published. UM

754
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:37.679
about an instance that happened UM in
Mount Saint Helens, UM up up in

755
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:44.079
Washington. UM hm, so yeah, I've done a little bit. I've

756
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.840
done my research and then looking back
at that and then taking a look at

757
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:52.519
videos that you show. UM,
I can tell the difference between a dude

758
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:55.559
and a soup and a dude that's
not in a suit, you know what

759
00:58:55.559 --> 00:59:02.280
I mean, Like, yeah,
it's airy up, it's very very apparent.

760
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.920
This was no dude in the suit. This was definitely no dude in

761
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:14.039
the suit. This was the real
deal. It's it's scared the living shit

762
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:21.519
out of me. I'm actually surprised
I didn't piss myself. I was just

763
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:28.920
standing there like this is not happening, Like you are frozen. There's nothing

764
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:34.639
and then everything afterwards, you're just
sitting there and you cannot stop thinking about

765
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:39.679
what you just witnessed. It is. It's life changing. Really. It's

766
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:44.280
one thing to see put prints.
It's one thing to see a dude at

767
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:49.440
night stand up behind your car and
take off running and break everything in the

768
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.800
woods. But that was after this
happened. So I was pretty shook on

769
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:59.880
that. After this, and then
when that happened to me Gee Creek,

770
01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:07.679
it just concreted mine my will to
want to know more about this subject,

771
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:12.079
about these creatures. If that's what
you want to call him, I'd like

772
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.480
to call them wood people, because
that's what they all. Uh yeah,

773
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:22.719
they're somewhere in between us and say
Neander Fall or something. It would be

774
01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:27.039
the best way to kind of explain
it. And I don't necessarily think they

775
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:32.079
all look alike like we think,
because he didn't look like a classic Patty

776
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:37.119
you know what I mean. Like
it it didn't look like that. I

777
01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:44.159
mean he did in a sense as
far as body morphology and features are concerned,

778
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:49.360
Yes, But the way the hair
was, the way he was built,

779
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:54.679
the facial features, it wasn't that
classic Patty look. Was he was.

780
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:01.719
He was menacing, really very why
wild would would just as as wild

781
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:07.239
as you could. I can only
imagine that if you were born in the

782
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.119
woods, that you would look like
that too. Wow. You would have

783
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:14.159
to you'd have to adapt, you
know what I mean, Like if you

784
01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:16.599
were born in the woods and you
had to adapt to living in that type

785
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:22.679
of environment, you that's what you
would turn into one way or another through

786
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:31.000
time. You know what I mean? Um? That is that is a

787
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:37.559
fantastic story, Robert. That's probably
one of that's easily in the top three

788
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:43.079
stories I've ever heard. And I've
I've done this since twenty nineteen. And

789
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:50.639
dude, have you ever have you
shared this on any other programs or anything?

790
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:54.840
No? No, no, no, Ike. I've spoke to this

791
01:01:54.960 --> 01:02:00.159
with the people that were with me. My best friend in Ouca, him

792
01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:02.239
who still lives there. Um,
because he was he was with me for

793
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.920
the footprints, the first ones.
Um and you know you know, I

794
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.519
mean he he lives his life in
the woods as well. Um. Um,

795
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:15.039
he understands where they are and uh
and that they're there, you know.

796
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:16.519
Um. And like I said,
most of the people in that general

797
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:21.679
vicinity they that's that's normal. I
mean, if you go to Washington,

798
01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:25.039
that's normal. Like you go and
you start talking to Native Americans, which

799
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.239
I am as well, Um,
it's normal. Oh okay um. I'm

800
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:38.079
a pachi yaki in s bench okay
um. Wow, So I I understand

801
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:43.400
some things about my culture. And
and if it's on a totem, it's

802
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.280
a real it's a real animal.
Most totems as you come, as you

803
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:51.360
come down, we're gonna have you
know, an eagle, h a wolf,

804
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:53.760
a bear. Um, as you
go north, they have a wolf,

805
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:58.440
an eagle, a bear, and
a Sasquatch at top. And there's

806
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:02.800
a reason for that. Every single
tribe basically in the United States has a

807
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:07.440
name for it. That's odd,
right, Like why would they have a

808
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:12.440
name for something that doesn't exist,
And not only that, why would every

809
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:19.159
tribe have a name for it if
they didn't exist. It doesn't make any

810
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:24.199
sense. It just doesn't make any
sense. Um. And this is my

811
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:32.559
speculation. If you and I were
to prove in a court of law that

812
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:39.039
Sasquash existed, there's a lot of
things. They become off limits. The

813
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:45.360
US government would have to now protect
those areas, so by by logging,

814
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:49.639
by oil, bye, buy anything
you want to do in those woods,

815
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.920
because now you have a protected people
of the woods and the woods. So

816
01:03:53.599 --> 01:04:00.079
if if people wonder why why the
government would cover something like that, it's

817
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.400
all about money. Initially it wasn't
about that. I think initially when they

818
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:09.920
started digging them up in Ohio in
the eighteen hundreds, they didn't know what

819
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:15.960
to do with that because, I
mean, you're talking about early Christian Americans.

820
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:19.840
Right, where does that fit in? Right? Like, where does

821
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:25.000
that fit in? How do you
explain that to God fearing people in the

822
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:29.239
eighteen hundred and you're talking about the
mound build? Answer? Right, you're

823
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:32.559
right? Like the answer is you
don't, right, you don't. You

824
01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:35.599
take that stuff, you get rid
of it, and you don't talk about

825
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:39.400
it, and anybody else that talks
about it you just go, oh,

826
01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:43.679
you're crazy. And then later on
in life you just get called a conspiracy

827
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:46.639
theorist because that's the that's the that's
the new that's the new out for truth.

828
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:51.119
Oh you're telling truth, but nope, your conspiracy theorist. So that's

829
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:57.440
the new. But back then it
was you know, they didn't know,

830
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:00.320
they didn't know how to they didn't
know how to explain it to people,

831
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:03.719
so they just didn't. They just
tried to whisk it away. But if

832
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:06.760
you look, if you look back
and you start to do research and you

833
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:12.519
start to look up all of these
old newspaper clippings and stuff from around America

834
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:16.119
in those times, there's actually a
lot of it. I mean there's stuff

835
01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:20.199
in Arkansas where there's so there's so
much of it. There's a doctor that

836
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:24.480
was in Arkansas who found one up
in a cave with a narrow in its

837
01:05:24.559 --> 01:05:29.079
chest and brought all his bones back
and had him downstairs for years, and

838
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:32.639
there was a there was an article
about it in the paper like uh,

839
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:35.719
and then who came in to get
it? Oh? The Smithsonian said hey

840
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:41.079
man, yeah, yeah, right
bye bye. Bone dumped it in the

841
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:49.119
east by all the mammoth tusks,
you know, right right. So I

842
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:54.159
am I'm not a believer. I'm
a knower when it comes when it comes

843
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.199
to this, when it comes to
this subject, um, I have a

844
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:01.960
follow up question about I believe it
was in the Mcgreek McGee Creek section.

845
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:06.599
Um, you said that you can't. You went back to that area and

846
01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:12.320
there was chain link fence that was
ten feet high where the barbed wire was.

847
01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:17.519
Oh yeah, all the way around
it now all the way so and

848
01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.360
like I said, that road,
that road is a few miles long.

849
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:26.239
Um. And as it gets to
the McGee Creek borderline, there's a fence.

850
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:30.880
There's a ten foot tall chain link
fence that runs all the way down

851
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:32.719
the road. Now and then there's
a road that turns left to take you

852
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.400
down to the boat dock, and
it runs for it's a couple a mile

853
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:41.480
or so to the to the maybe
a little further down to the boat boat

854
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:45.800
ramp, and it is completely ten
foot fence all the way down both sides

855
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.679
and then all the way back into
the camp site to right it stops.

856
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:54.519
Um, it stops right at this
camp site that I was I was in,

857
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:59.760
um and then continues kind of behind
it and down them and then down

858
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:03.239
the mountain for a ways. Um. So there is an open area for

859
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:08.800
you to go into. But now
that other stuff you can't go past.

860
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:13.960
Defense kind of kind of makes you
go, hmmm, I wonder why they

861
01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:20.199
did that. So they keep in
stuff? Yes, right, like,

862
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:27.960
there's no reason I can think of
or Oklahoma game and fish to commission to

863
01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:33.519
spend that type of money around the
whole area if they didn't know. And

864
01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:38.039
that brings me back to this.
When I go out there, I open

865
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:41.639
I openly carry my gun. I
do not in Oklahoma. They do not

866
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:45.639
give a They don't care. They
just don't care exactly. Um. I

867
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:48.079
ran to that ranger more than once, and we have talked more than once.

868
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:53.679
And the one time that I asked
him about it, he goes,

869
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:57.079
he just just looked at me.
He said, I understand what exactly why

870
01:07:57.119 --> 01:08:00.639
you're caring that. I was like, you, do you understand that there's

871
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:03.119
a bunch of big fellows out here? He goes, Oh, yeah,

872
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.000
we we know all about it.
Can you can meet the name of that

873
01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:14.320
you know? I will not he
is that he is, He is the

874
01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:17.079
ranger there, and he I guarantee
you he will not bat an eye and

875
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:21.960
tell you yes, Um, if
you ask him straight up do these are

876
01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:26.079
these things out here? You'll go, oh, yeah, he will not

877
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.840
bat an eye at it. But
like I said, people in that area,

878
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.039
they just they don't care to tell
you the truth. They're though,

879
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:36.000
some of the most truthful people that
you'll ever come across. They don't care

880
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.520
what you think about them, they
don't know you. They'll just tell you

881
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:42.880
the truth. You know. That's
how we grew up in Obama. Like

882
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:45.600
you tell the truth or you get
in trouble, you know, um,

883
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.800
And they're not afraid to say that. No. I understand why you care

884
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:55.520
that because once you once you've heard
the whoops and tree crash behind you and

885
01:08:55.640 --> 01:08:58.560
had stuff come into your campside,
you tend to carry a gun when you

886
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:00.399
go out there. You've been when
you're rock climb. Okay, I took

887
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.800
my forty five with me, no
matter what. Now, would that hurt

888
01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:10.159
him or it or they? I
don't know. I doubt it. I

889
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:15.439
would. I would probably just shoot
it in the air. I don't think

890
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:20.000
I could shoot one right there.
The people really the only way I can

891
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:28.640
explain them, just while harry people
would be the That's the only way to

892
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:31.399
really kind of explain. There's no
way I could pull the trigger even if

893
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:38.079
I had a gun and at in
Arkansas on the Buffalo, if I would

894
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:41.119
have had a gun. There is
no way I could have pulled the trigger.

895
01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.520
No way, There's no way,
because that is a living, breathing

896
01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:57.479
Wow, he's part of our ancestry
somehow. There's just no there's no way,

897
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:03.079
there's no way that they don't have
human g I just I would find

898
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:08.840
it very hard to believe that they
don't have some type of human DNA.

899
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.000
I mean, I guess me.
Melville Kitchens kind of kind of said that,

900
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:15.479
right, like, just like it's
in between eight and human and here

901
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:21.159
I here's something that I thought was
really interesting. I watched this video of

902
01:10:21.199 --> 01:10:29.119
a chimpanzee and there were numbers being
being brought up on a computer screen.

903
01:10:29.119 --> 01:10:33.319
If he got those numbers right one
through twenty by pressing them on the screen,

904
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:36.119
he'd get a treat. And then
they would mix the numbers up and

905
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:39.920
they'd leave the screen on, and
then he would do the numbers, even

906
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:44.000
though they were scrambled, and he'd
get a treat, and then they just

907
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:48.319
flashed the screen and all of those
squares were now blank and all of the

908
01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:51.760
numbers were jumbled, and he still
got them right. And all they did

909
01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:56.399
is flash it at him one second, and he's still got the numbers exactly

910
01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:00.479
right, which leads me to believe
that if you grow up in the woods

911
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.359
as a chimpanzee and you have to
fight for your food, and you have

912
01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:08.680
to learn, and you have to
use the trees and the woods to your

913
01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:13.479
advantage, your thought process is probably
ten to twenty times faster than the humans

914
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:17.239
because we lost that ability long ago. Now, if you think a sasquatch,

915
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:21.359
if Sasquatch kept that ability, that's
why he's the hidenzy campion of the

916
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:26.800
world. Absolutely, because he knows
you're in his house before you do.

917
01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.520
And if you stumble on to one
of them, is because he wanted you

918
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.920
to see him, or he was
sleeping or taking care of an infant or

919
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:38.479
something and you just got lucky to
walk up on him right or on them

920
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:44.800
or whatever. That's how I think
about it in those terms, Like the

921
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:51.359
reason that they survive is because they're
instinctually more adapt to their surroundings and they

922
01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:59.520
have to think at such a phenomenal
level to be able to survive in the

923
01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.560
woods. I mean, I could
walk out in the woods today and nobody

924
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.520
would ever know I was there,
and I could survive out there, no

925
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:09.800
problem. I grew up in the
woods. I have no problem. I

926
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:13.399
know the mushrooms you can eat.
I can catch fish, I can kill

927
01:12:13.479 --> 01:12:18.000
deer. I can do that with
a sling shot. So to be born

928
01:12:18.079 --> 01:12:23.680
out there into that and then and
then you have to you have to watch

929
01:12:23.720 --> 01:12:26.720
what your parents do, and you
have to learn all of these things and

930
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:31.239
what you can and can't eat,
your your your thought process when it comes

931
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:36.960
to being able to adapt to trees. Because obviously they have a mid tarsal

932
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:42.479
break, so that foot obviously works
really great for climbing. I don't see

933
01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:45.760
how it couldn't because jimps have a
mid tarsal break, you know what I

934
01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:54.960
mean, they climb really well.
Um, so what that makes me think

935
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:59.680
that their their minds work a lot
faster than ours do when it comes to

936
01:12:59.760 --> 01:13:03.960
that because they are an apex predator
like a chimpanzee. People think chimpanzees are

937
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:06.680
all cute and cuddley. They are
not. They will rip your face off.

938
01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:14.680
They are vicious, vicious critters.
Um. You know the billy apes

939
01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:17.560
or the bondo apes. You know
six foot tall chimpanzees that kill lions.

940
01:13:17.560 --> 01:13:23.199
Okay, Like, if those things
exist, what makes you think we don't

941
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:27.520
have one in the United States,
absolutely, you know what I mean,

942
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:31.600
like, yeah, you know,
it makes no sense to me. Um.

943
01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:35.760
And and there's a there's a tribe
um. I guess it's Alaska,

944
01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:41.359
Canada there on that border of Alaska
and Canada. I mean their story is

945
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:46.239
when they came across the land bridge
that their big brother Sasquatch, is the

946
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:49.600
one that helped them get there.
I mean I even have a picture of

947
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:54.800
their flag and it's a Sasquatch,
you know. I mean their name actually

948
01:13:54.840 --> 01:14:00.039
translates basically Sasquatch. You know,
like like well, I mean, and

949
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:03.640
the deal is is like if you
want information, you should probably listen to

950
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:10.560
the people that the natives, right, Like those those stories have been to

951
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:15.000
pass down for thousands of years.
I mean, people take the Bible seriously,

952
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:18.520
those stories has been passed down for
thousands of years, you know,

953
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:23.039
Like why wouldn't you listen to the
people that lived on this land, who

954
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:26.039
lived in those woods, who had
to had to do that. Why wouldn't

955
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.880
you listen to them? Um for
information? If you want information, right,

956
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:31.560
Like, it makes no sense.
That's like that's like you're you know,

957
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:34.159
like you tell telling your grandma,
I don't want to listen to you

958
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:38.359
because you don't know anything, and
you're well right, like, it makes

959
01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.920
no sense. You're an infant compared
to her. She's been through it,

960
01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:45.479
you know, like you should probably
listen to your elders, um, and

961
01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:49.880
and and the American Indian tribes.
Those are your elders when it comes to

962
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:54.000
this side of the planet. And
I'm and what I mean by that is

963
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:59.359
Mexico to Canada, right North America. You know, um, because every

964
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.560
single a single person from Canadas to
Mexico, those are those are your Native

965
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:06.560
Americans. So you should probably listen
to them. That is the interesting part.

966
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:11.560
There's the stories are very similar.
You mentioned you're in Pennsylvania. Now,

967
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:19.760
um, have you have you started
to look into how out there are

968
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:25.760
you near the Chestnut room? Uh? You know what, let me look.

969
01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:29.119
I don't know, honestly, I
don't know. I'll tell you right

970
01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:31.119
now. If I go out my
door, there's a mountain on the right,

971
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.199
and there's a mountain on the left, and there's one right behind me,

972
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:36.640
and I can literally go I can
go deer hunt in my backyard there

973
01:15:36.640 --> 01:15:41.079
you go, I mean right there. I can walk outside and go in

974
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:44.640
the woods and there are plenty of
deer back here. Um. We are

975
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:49.119
in the let's see, where would
this be? Um, I'm near um

976
01:15:50.840 --> 01:16:00.800
uh Williamsport. Um. So basically
everything around us, all the way into

977
01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:05.239
the Great Lakes, all the way
up into New York State, it's just

978
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:11.520
woods men everywhere. Everywhere. It's
the cast Skill Mountains really, and and

979
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:15.279
then you come out of the cat
Squit Cat Skills into Susquehanna. I'm on

980
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:21.520
the Susquehanna River. Um. Um, it's all of this is woods out

981
01:16:21.560 --> 01:16:26.479
here, man like. I cannot
wait to explore this place much further than

982
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:30.319
I have. Um. And you
mentioned what was the name of the place

983
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:36.399
you just mentioned. So the region
there's a region of Pennsylvania that's heavily known

984
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:43.680
for Bigfoot and weird stuff in UFO
is that's the southwest corner Chestnut Ridge,

985
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:47.600
some really weird stuff that goes on
over there. But there's also your area.

986
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:54.079
You're getting closer to screen Chestnut Ridge, New York, nut Chestnut Hill,

987
01:16:54.159 --> 01:17:00.720
PA, Chestnut Road, Apple,
that's New York. Is that we'll

988
01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:04.720
just look at Chestnut Hill, Yes, okay, okay, southeast corner.

989
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:13.079
Um, it's it's southwest like around
around Uniontown southwest, Yeah, southwest.

990
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:19.880
I'm looking on my map here to
see, Um, I would suspect they're

991
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:24.840
here too. Where I'm I'm telling
you, buddy, it's just if if

992
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:27.319
I were living in the woods,
I would be living in these woods.

993
01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:33.439
UM say, Union City or Uniontown, Uniontown kind of an area south of

994
01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:39.520
Pittsburgh. Yep, I see that. That's just a few hours for me.

995
01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:44.560
Um towards west. Um. But
yeah, in between here and there,

996
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:47.920
all it is is woods and rivers. There's hardly any people out here.

997
01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:53.760
All of the towns are very small
unless you go into like Allentown or

998
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:59.000
Scranton, UM or you know,
Williamsport everything else. On the outskirts,

999
01:17:59.039 --> 01:18:04.680
it is pretty much you know,
rednecks exact Yeah, exactly so. And

1000
01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:08.680
I say that, I say that
with love. I mean I grew I

1001
01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:10.920
grew up like that, you know
what I mean. Like when I got

1002
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.640
here, Um, I have a
bit of an accent, and and everybody

1003
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.239
around me at an accent, and
I'm like, what in the hell where

1004
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:21.439
am I? Because I thought for
sure they'd have a northern accent. I

1005
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:24.960
mean, I call my buddy up, I call my buddy up in Oklahoma.

1006
01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:26.920
I was like, dude, I
got something to tell you. He

1007
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:29.720
knows what's that. I said that
the country is country no matter where you

1008
01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:31.920
are in the States. I think
all of these some bitches talk just like

1009
01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:34.479
we do. He's like, are
you serious. I was like, I'm

1010
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:36.880
telling you, man, listen,
and I just We're in the bar and

1011
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:41.199
I'm these guys are talking and he
was like, they do sound like us.

1012
01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:45.800
I was like, yeah, it's
crazy. So yeah, I mean

1013
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.359
everybody out here, everybody in this
Yeah, everybody around here are They're all

1014
01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:54.199
hunters, fishermen, outdoorsmen everywhere you're
looking. I mean I got here right

1015
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:57.560
as hunts as a deer seasonal starter. And uh, I mean I went

1016
01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:00.359
to Walmart and there was literally a
line all the way from one side of

1017
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:03.239
Walmart to the other, people trying
to get you know, get their license

1018
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:05.439
and get their tag. Oh exactly. You know, you know, you

1019
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:09.439
know, you're you know you're you
know you're in a good area. Win.

1020
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:14.680
Um. But yeah, I do
want to explore this, um,

1021
01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:18.119
this side of the country. UM
when it comes to the subject um and

1022
01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:20.960
so I am going to look into
it. I'll jump on the vfr O

1023
01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:26.000
and see where most of those sidings
come from and see what I can't do

1024
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:30.279
about getting into those areas or and
work if I'm close to those areas,

1025
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:33.199
Um, because I'm assuming I'm I've
got to be pretty close. Because I'm

1026
01:19:33.279 --> 01:19:36.520
nestled between just the mountains. I
think he everywhere here is up there.

1027
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.319
You'll be surprised once you start looking. There's there's a ton of big foot

1028
01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:46.079
action that goes on in Pennsylvania.
But Robert, Yeah, this has been

1029
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:55.239
yeah, an awesome, like absolutely
fantastic chat. Your encounters, brothers are

1030
01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:59.000
intense, the most intense I've ever
heard, to be honest, Like,

1031
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:05.279
it's gonna take a while to process. It's a while for me to process

1032
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:12.239
it, but yeah, a while. And you know, I've heard other

1033
01:20:12.239 --> 01:20:15.920
people's stories too. You know,
you tend to come across people that want

1034
01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:19.159
to tell you their story. Um. And then I've actually been friends with

1035
01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:24.720
a guy, um since around two
thousand. He was actually part of my

1036
01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:28.840
motorcycle crew. User. He was
the lead guy for a motorcycle club.

1037
01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:31.279
And um, he had a he
had a he had something happened to him

1038
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:35.119
while he was a kid in um
in Arkansas and in the Folk region.

1039
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:40.399
Oh yeah, Folk Carkansas, yeah. Um, that's what he was from

1040
01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:44.880
and from what I he would not
he to this day, he will not

1041
01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:47.920
tell me that story. Wow,
that's how frightened he was. He's like,

1042
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:49.680
Nope, I won't talk about it, man, leave it, leave

1043
01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:53.680
it alone, leave it alone.
Like he will not, he will not

1044
01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:58.359
talk about it. And I understand
now I kind of understand why. Um

1045
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:01.359
one, there's this stigma of you
telling your story and people thinking you're crazy.

1046
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:04.039
At this point, I'm forty eight
years old. I can care less.

1047
01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:11.319
Um yeah, Like I don't care
what you think it happened. I

1048
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:15.479
was there too bad. You either
take take me for for who I am

1049
01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:18.520
or you don't don't care. But
I actually, I do understand how people

1050
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:23.199
with encounter, especially when they were
young, might not ever want to talk

1051
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:25.880
about that. You know, I
was. I was. I was kind

1052
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:29.119
of blessed to be old enough to
wrap my head around what just happened,

1053
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:34.600
because it was. It was freaking
freaky. Man. It it changes you

1054
01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:39.800
everything about you, and I don't
know that it changed me for the better,

1055
01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:44.640
um immediately. Um, it took
a while for that for that change.

1056
01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:46.000
The better, the better side to
come out of that, because I

1057
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:49.279
was, I was pretty. I
was pretty skeptical about about the woods after

1058
01:21:49.279 --> 01:21:53.640
that. I was like, man, you know, like I love being

1059
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:56.199
at here, but shit, I
really need to carry a gun, you

1060
01:21:56.239 --> 01:21:59.880
know, like what appens? What
do you? What do you do?

1061
01:22:00.359 --> 01:22:05.560
Like? Yeah, what I mean? Because it it scares you to your

1062
01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:10.640
to your soul. You're you're confused, man, I was confused for a

1063
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:15.119
very long time after that. My
god, did that really happen? Like

1064
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:17.760
am I freaking nuts? Like you
run through it over and over and you're

1065
01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:20.640
like, no, I was there, there, it was. I see

1066
01:22:20.680 --> 01:22:24.479
it. I can when you when
you think about it, you see it

1067
01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:30.680
in your mind's eye clearly. I
mean I can. I can literally see

1068
01:22:30.760 --> 01:22:33.439
his skin and that it was kind
of oily. I can see all of

1069
01:22:33.479 --> 01:22:38.920
those things because you take it all
in man, like you just there's nothing

1070
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:45.960
else to do but sit there,
frozen and just let it happen. And

1071
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:50.960
as an observer, I was very
observant because I was I was already kind

1072
01:22:51.000 --> 01:22:55.439
of not one. You're never gonna
You're never gonna be ready for that to

1073
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:59.319
happen. It's just when it does, it's You're lucky. It's like seeing

1074
01:22:59.319 --> 01:23:02.119
a cougar. Man, you know
what I mean like, um, and

1075
01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.600
I've I've been in the woods a
lot, and I've had some encounters and

1076
01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:11.119
I've seen some cougars. Um.
But it's because I'm always in the woods.

1077
01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:14.359
Um. So people that aren't always
in the woods, they don't really

1078
01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:20.239
understand what's out there. You know, they're they're looking at National Geographic on

1079
01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:25.600
TV or the History Channel or whatever
m from their couch. Um they don't.

1080
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:29.079
They don't actually go out in the
woods for fun and stay out there

1081
01:23:29.239 --> 01:23:31.680
for months at a time. And
it's head you know, like I've done

1082
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:35.319
that. I would much rather do
that actually sometimes than go to work.

1083
01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:38.640
I would much rather just I wish
I could work in the woods. That

1084
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:40.920
would be right right there, you
go. I did for a long time.

1085
01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:44.159
Yeah, I did for a while. I just I worked. I

1086
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:47.359
worked in oils, so uh and
that's what I did. I spent sixteen

1087
01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:50.239
hours a day in the woods,
you know, trying to find oil.

1088
01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:56.520
Um. You know, once you
get older, you're like, oh,

1089
01:23:56.560 --> 01:24:00.880
I guess an office shop feel a
lot better. Um. Well, you

1090
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:03.760
know, yeah, and then of
course, like you know, running running

1091
01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:09.439
the climate facility. Um. You
know, during the week, I'm inside

1092
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:12.680
the gym on the weekends, I'm
guiding. I'm in the woods. I'm

1093
01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:15.079
taking out boy scouts, I'm taking
out pas, I'm taking out clients,

1094
01:24:15.079 --> 01:24:19.000
I'm taking out the team kids.
You know, we're taking trip Stark and

1095
01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:23.199
so we're taking Tripsdale Path. So
we're trying to go to the Red River

1096
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:27.079
Gorge. We're we're always trying to
get somewhere, or we're going to Colorado

1097
01:24:27.199 --> 01:24:31.560
to climb of fourteener or whatever.
Um, we're trying. We we spend

1098
01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:35.520
our time working to get outside.
Um. And I've always done that my

1099
01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:43.399
whole life. I worked so I
can afford to go outside. Um,

1100
01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:46.520
because that's where all the funds out. You know, that's where you experienced.

1101
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:53.119
Life is outside, you know.
And rock climbing is taking me everywhere.

1102
01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:56.920
I mean I've been all over Europe
and in Mexico and the Leaves and

1103
01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:03.920
Germany and Spain, Austria, just
the name of you. UM. I

1104
01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:09.079
really enjoy being out there. Uh. Given if it's just hiking, you

1105
01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:12.720
know, just being in nature is
the best place to be as far as

1106
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.279
I'm concerned. But when you have
an experience like that, it tends to

1107
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.960
tends to record thought process. To
say, just for a little while,

1108
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:27.239
but it's like everything you know,
and I haven't had the privilege of seeing

1109
01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:31.319
things like that, but I have
experienced in Iowa, like stuff messing with

1110
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:34.439
my tent. I've got on audio
and we heard wood knocks and we heard

1111
01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:40.000
a big tree get pushed over in
front of us. And this is on

1112
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:43.279
a in an area in Iowa.
Me and my buddy, we're looking for

1113
01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:46.199
bigfoot last summer. And you know, so I haven't had that like class

1114
01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:50.359
a like really crazy, you know, being able to look at it.

1115
01:25:50.520 --> 01:26:00.319
But I've heard somebody trusting things.
I don't know that. I don't know

1116
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:02.119
that i'd wish it on anybody real, But if you're lucky enough to have

1117
01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:08.319
it happened, I hope it's um. I think that it would be okay

1118
01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:13.479
with you because now you've you've had
time to research and and see it and

1119
01:26:13.479 --> 01:26:16.520
and see the videos and hear the
vocalization and all of these things, right,

1120
01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.439
so you might process it a little
bit better. In two thousand and

1121
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:23.720
four, I you know, I
had done my research, so I was

1122
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:28.920
not ready for that and meshed me
up a little bit, just a little

1123
01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.720
bit. That's kind of hard to
admit. I'm a big chuck guy right

1124
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:43.319
there you go, tough rock climb
or whatever whatever. Um, but yeah,

1125
01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:45.039
I mean mentally you have to wrap
wrap your head around that, and

1126
01:26:45.079 --> 01:26:51.880
it's it's exciting. Uh looking back
on it, it's it's uh pretty freaking.

1127
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:57.880
I feel blessed and more than anything
now that I actually got to see

1128
01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:03.000
one up close and personal like that. Um, but it's like seeing a

1129
01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:06.560
UFO right once you look. Once
you see one, you never stopped looking

1130
01:27:06.640 --> 01:27:10.840
up. No, you always want
to see it again. Now I totally

1131
01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:14.640
get that. Yeah, yeah,
yep, yep, you always look.

1132
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:18.199
I'm out, I look it up
right now. The stars are out,

1133
01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:24.359
I'm my my neck is outstretched.
Um. You never stopped looking up and

1134
01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:27.439
and and an instance like that,
Um, you never start looking. You

1135
01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:30.920
never stopped looking for sign when you're
in the woods. I'm always looking for

1136
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:33.920
sign for deer. This morning I
found I found some really good signed because

1137
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:38.720
my dog jumped up a giant buck
in my backyard and now I found his

1138
01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:43.920
rub line and head line. Um
next next, next season, I'm just

1139
01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:45.399
gonna I'm gonna feed him, making
my pet and then put him on my

1140
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:49.800
wall. There you go, um, there you go. Um, but

1141
01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:53.399
yeah, I mean you know,
I never stopped looking for stuff like that.

1142
01:27:53.479 --> 01:27:56.199
Now, um we were talking about
in Megee Creek, I found I

1143
01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.439
found the brake line. While I
went back to that break line more than

1144
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:04.199
once, and I followed it,
and it goes for miles really and it's

1145
01:28:04.279 --> 01:28:10.319
it's about the same size trees and
you can follow it. I followed it

1146
01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:13.640
for at least a mile and a
half, at least at the least I

1147
01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:15.840
followed it for a mile and a
half. I went down to the first

1148
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:20.079
point that I found it, and
I went that would be I went east

1149
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:24.239
first and followed that, followed that
break line, and I got to a

1150
01:28:24.279 --> 01:28:28.640
point where it just stopped at the
at the lake, um, at this

1151
01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:32.680
little area where you can drop off
the cliff line onto this beachy area and

1152
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:38.079
this big flat rock. And so
then I turned around and I followed it

1153
01:28:38.159 --> 01:28:43.880
back and you could follow that thing
all the way back into with berhala,

1154
01:28:45.000 --> 01:28:53.039
Wow, it's there. And then
I also started putting little treats out there

1155
01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:55.479
every time I go out there.
So I go to that brake line and

1156
01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:58.800
I found I found some antlers,
So I put I put the antlers on

1157
01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:00.319
that break you know, and see
what happened. I'd come back later.

1158
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:05.880
They're gone. I don't know what
would take antlers unless you had a hand.

1159
01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:09.439
They were gone, or there was
another human. It could have been

1160
01:29:09.439 --> 01:29:12.479
another human, right, But I
found some antlers. I thought, why

1161
01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:15.560
not, I'll just leave them right
here and see and see if they're see

1162
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:17.239
if they're there. The next time
I come, they were not. I

1163
01:29:17.319 --> 01:29:20.199
came back. What that was a
time I did that. I came back

1164
01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:27.520
the weekend after they were gone.
I just wanted to see it. You

1165
01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:30.279
know, I heard about gift me. I actually contacted the bfr O there.

1166
01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:36.840
I actually contacted the bfr O there
um that year about this um and

1167
01:29:36.840 --> 01:29:42.279
and talk to one talk to a
lady about it and uh and we were

1168
01:29:42.319 --> 01:29:45.199
gonna set up um a time to
go out on a little camp out there.

1169
01:29:45.279 --> 01:29:50.279
And it never really happened that since
really it never happened. Oh my

1170
01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:54.840
goodness, No, it never happened. We just we couldn't get connected,

1171
01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:59.199
we couldn't figure it out. And
then I ended up moving to Colorado.

1172
01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:04.439
Um so, man, so I
just never really had but you know,

1173
01:30:04.920 --> 01:30:09.399
UM, I gave them all of
the information. I gave them where to

1174
01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:13.479
go and why um, you know, I told him about the prince,

1175
01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:16.880
I told him about the encounter in
in the campsite. I told him about

1176
01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:19.239
the tree breaks. I told them
where to find them and how to find

1177
01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:24.119
them. Um so hopefully they're doing
a research out there. That was my

1178
01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:27.920
main goal. I wanted them to
go out there and get that get that

1179
01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:30.520
research. I told I've told my
best friend. I told the guy.

1180
01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:33.640
You know, we me and the
guy who was there, we've talked about

1181
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:36.319
it plenty of times. And then
I did. I did contact to be

1182
01:30:36.399 --> 01:30:40.520
a horror and that one because they
need to go out there and take away

1183
01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:45.840
in that area refectly. And if
I was sorry, what what county is

1184
01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:53.920
that? Um Atoka County? I
believe it's Atoka a Toka County. It

1185
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:58.720
might be how do you stay a
t o k a Atoka? Just like

1186
01:30:59.039 --> 01:31:03.199
just like Okay, Oklahoma. It's
on Highway sixty nine and you said it's

1187
01:31:03.199 --> 01:31:08.239
around two thousand and four, you
would have you would have um put that

1188
01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:12.960
in Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it was oh wait that two thousand.

1189
01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:15.920
That would have been in two thousand
eleven, Okay. And it might have

1190
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:17.399
been after that. It might have
been after that. Like I said,

1191
01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:20.239
I had, I had to.
I had to take all that in for

1192
01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:26.960
a while before I thought to give
them a hall. Yeah, ok,

1193
01:31:27.079 --> 01:31:30.600
Oklahoma. Um, if you're looking
up on the map, it could be

1194
01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:34.680
I think it's a Toka county.
I think that's what the county is.

1195
01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:38.640
I'm trying to zoom out to see
if they give me county. But oh

1196
01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:43.239
it might be. No, it's
gotta it's gotta be a Toka. I

1197
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:46.920
think. Um, when you're coming
up sixty nine, you come through Durant,

1198
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:51.520
hit a Toca, and then from
a Toca you'll hit the Calister and

1199
01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:58.680
then um and from there that is
those are the washing toss so the washingtons

1200
01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:01.960
and then the Kyamee She's they're all
basically the same mountain range. Gotcha.

1201
01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:08.359
Wow, Robert, this has been
an amazing chat. Thank you so much

1202
01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:14.560
for for hanging out with me tonight. Appreciate it has been amazing. Absolutely

1203
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:24.640
any appreciate it. Any final final
thoughts before we uh we look towards wrapping

1204
01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:31.560
things up for tonight. Final thoughts. Let's see, I would say my

1205
01:32:31.640 --> 01:32:38.239
final thoughts really are I'm I really
appreciate what you do, um, and

1206
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:41.920
I I hope you continue to do
it. And I hope you continue to

1207
01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:46.159
bring awareness to what's going on out
there. UM. One way or another.

1208
01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:50.000
It needs to come out. It
needs to be it needs to be

1209
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:55.039
mainstream. If you if you would, um, I think people need to

1210
01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:57.920
know that they should probably protect the
woods a little bit. Sure, I

1211
01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.840
should. They should care about it, UM, because we're not the only

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01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:02.920
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you'd like to make a special one time

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1215
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podcast, but they never have any
new stuff. Keep up the good work,

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my friend. Well, I appreciate
that, Wayland. If you'd like

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to buy me a coffee as well, you can head on over to the

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show notes and find the link in
there. Become a supporting member of the

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Bigfoot Society podcast by going to www
dot Patreon dot com forward slash the Bigfoot

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Society and receive extra episodes and early
ad free episodes as well. If you've

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got a personal bigfoot encounter you would
like to submit for me to share on

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the podcast, Please head on over
to www dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot com.

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There you'll find the Share your Bigfoot
Encounter form a little lower on the

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page, and please take a minute
to share as many details as you can.

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Please state if the encounter is anonymous
or what name you would like associated

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with the encounter, and as always, thanks for listening.