Sept. 21, 2025

It Grinned At Me from the Trees — Iowa Sasquatch Encount

It Grinned At Me from the Trees — Iowa Sasquatch Encount
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Season 1

What happens when a conservationist working in Iowa's timberlands begins to sense that something is watching him? In this eerie and intense episode, we sit down with Jesse, a forestry contractor from Van Buren County, Iowa, who shares a lifetime of strange experiences that range from childhood encounters with hairy beings to mysterious orbs, tree structures, mind-speak, and being told to leave certain areas of the woods immediately. Jesse's detailed accounts—rooted in conservation work across locations like Lockridge, Douds, and the legendary Lacey Keosauqua State Park—paint a vivid picture of how something ancient might still be hiding in Iowa's forgotten forests. If you've ever wondered what it's like to work every day in the backyard of Sasquatch, this episode will open your eyes—and keep you up at night.

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You're listening to Bigflat Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, right Big for Society. You've got

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the privilege of talking to Jesse today. Jesse is a

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hunter and a four street contractor from down in Van

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Buren County in Iowa, down the southeast section of the state.

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I've actually been on Jesse's show, which is called a

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Beast of Burden, so I'll definitely have that linked. You

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can check that out as I don't do a ton

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of interviews, but it was fun chatting with him on

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his podcast as well. But welcome to this show show, Jesse.

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How are you doing today?

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I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me.

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Absolutely, you know I'm excited to have you on the show. Finally.

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Your area really has an interesting history to it. There's

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a lot that's happened over the years. And I actually

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haven't told you this yet, but I did have an individual,

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an older gentleman, come on TikTok recently to share some

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classic encounters that happened in lacy Kiyosakua State Park down

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there in Van Buren. That'll be coming out eventually, but yeah,

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I mean, I would love to hear you know, if

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you would, I wouldn't mind sharing what you've experienced. You've

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had some really interesting things happen over over the years

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down there in Van Baren County.

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Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's been kind of a wild ride.

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I'll just start from the beginning, if that's okay, and kind.

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Of go to our recent a mess. So I'll be honest.

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When we first moved down to Van Buren, I was

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kind of a big foot nut, I mean everything. When

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I was, you know, twelve thirteen, I was just looking

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for it because I just want to have that experience

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real bad. You know, you watch all the shows. I'll

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be honest. We just discussed the students to be total straightforward.

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Some of my earlier experiences. I kind of kind of

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go like, well, did I really see something? But at

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the same time, it stuck with me for so long,

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I'm like, did I You know, It's one.

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Of those things like did I experience that?

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It was in my head? But why is it stuck

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with me if I can't brush it off? So I'll

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share a couple of those earlier moments.

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You know.

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I was taking a dog for a walk on our

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family farm in the back and it was I think springtime,

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and some of our deciduous trees, like a shingle, looak

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and ironwood, hang on to their leaves, and I bring

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that just for a pattern's sake. And I was walking

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back and I see this outline and it was really

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neat because the color mat but also contrasted against these

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trees hang on through their leaves. And what I saw

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was like this pretty good sized thing that looked like

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cousin it And it had a blend of color too,

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Like I could see from the knees up it was

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black and then kind of a lighter brown color. Then

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the cuffs around its wrist were like a blondish color

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and the head was more blondish, but I had this

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interesting color, you know, tritone of colors, but it stoock

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out like it looked like someone standing there against these trees.

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And it really shocked me. And I'm like, thirteen, I

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just run. Now, it's very possible that I my mind

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wanted to see it. I was just kicking my dog

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for a walk. I remember running back to the house

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and I recall, along here, we have a bunch of

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cedar trees. Now they're you know, twenty feet tall. They've

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grown up so much the past, you know, fifteen years twenty.

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I recall seeing this, you know, that coca nut conical

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shaped head bobbing along the tree tops.

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And I went inside and nothing happened.

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And again, you know, been a drone, a rush and going, man,

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I think I ate that up. But I'm like, I

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remember that's so distinctly, you know. So that was a

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really profound moments. And I over the years while I

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was you know, typing up my sightings and sending him

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to you just for safe keeping, hoestly, and I was like, man,

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that really stuck with me. I thought I'd bringing up

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another moment. This happened about I don't know, summertime. The

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next accounter. I was alone a lot my parents, you know,

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my my my dad worked out of state, my mom

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worked in town. I was homeschooled, so get your schoolwork done,

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you go do chores and mow of the yard, stuff

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like that. And it's a hot summer day, it's like July.

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I'm out there on the yard and I look over

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and I recall seeing like this ape shape looking face,

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like a silhouette, looking at me underneath the branches of

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the oak tree on the west sidebor yard, and it

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startled me. Insaw it. I'm like, what was that. I'm

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looking out the window and the shape is gone. Now,

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it's very likely it could have been the light of

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the sun shining on the leaves, but I remember looking

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at that eight this human looking face just at me

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with this little grin on its face, like I'm watching you,

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And you're like what I remember looking back, and you know,

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I've kept an eye on that tree line for years.

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I never had that light reflection before my yard hit

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the back of my hand, and uh man, it was

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just a really weird thing.

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And I just it was like you're being watched.

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Now. One memory that I'm trying to go chronologically here

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I was like sixteen or seventeen later on again, I'm

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home alone. My parents were past state work, and I

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was mature, you know, can handle myself, make my own food,

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you know, tend to myself. And this memory just makes

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me like, oh, it was like August or July. I

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was I'm sleeping and in the middle of the night,

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I just hear this long, loud, lying sounding wolf howl

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and it was so loud it woke me up with

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a startle.

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I'm just laying in bed and it was just like.

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And it went off for ten twelve seconds, and I

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was just laying there going, what was that? And I've

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heard a lot of kyout howels.

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I've been out west, I've heard wolf howels.

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Yeah, I've watched Dasher Geographic and I'm like, I've heard

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Lyne roars and You're like, Okay, that's that's nothing I've

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ever familiar with. I remember drabbing my little crook at

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twenty two and I went outside and my dog sleeping

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outside of summertime.

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He shed like a fiend. He's laying his craig going

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what's that?

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Dad?

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And I just shoot around the air just to deter anything.

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But let's be honest anything that big probably wouldn't care.

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So I went back inside sleep. So that was my

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earlier experiences. I do recall hearing some weird sounds, like

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I've heard the woman's scream could have been a mountain lioner, bobcat.

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I've heard what sound like someone young for help. That

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was really late in the evening and like, you know,

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seven o'clock on October on November night, you know, I thought, well,

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someone follow their bowstand and I rented get my dad.

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He goes, I don't hear anything, you're making it up,

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and I was just it just sounds like this really

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mocking help. So so that was weird experiences. Let's fast

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forward to twenty twenty. I really didn't. I really got

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out of the Bigfoot thing. I lost interest in it.

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I just accepted it's either alive or it's not, and

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I'm content with that. I lived my life, and and

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of course I came across more First Nation based podcasts

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like Zeno Hunters on YouTube, and then I've been listening

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to your buddies with the Don't Whistle a Night podcast.

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Fantastic stuff, but things of that nature. Just understand that's

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out of curiosity. Well, what do the first people say

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about this being? And I was more interested in listening

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to them because they just knew and so I have

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slight interest, but not like the interest of going out

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looking for I just was interested in the stories. And

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I remember being on my farm. It was twenty twenty

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and I had this beautiful sunflower plot out for dove hunting,

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and I get off the off of work. I want

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to run down there, take some pictures, just hang out

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and enjoy the beauty of in August evening. And at

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the time, my neighborhood racial hounds and they're just going nuts,

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barking and barking, and then this sound came from the

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east and it shut everything up. It sounded like a

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fake bark, but very big, and it was like this

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boom boom boom, like it was mocking them. And everything

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went quiet. The hounds shut up, the birds went quiet,

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their crookds went cry, and I was like, it's time

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for me to go home. So later on, I want

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to say, early twenty twenty one, I heard a weird

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noise from the woods I live outside. While I live

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in another county not too far away from my home,

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and I live kind of a busy highway, but there's

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a lot of timber across the road. You know, to

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the west, open farm country across the roads gets more

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urban and some houses in timber. It did large shot

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of timber, and I was taking my dog out and

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it was, you know, ten o'clock a night.

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It was kind of.

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Early thaw, and it was January thaw. You know, snow's

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melting is like fifty degrees a night, one of those

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random warm falls we get in January.

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And I'm it's really quiet. It's January evening, and.

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So I'm listening. I did this sounds like radio chatter

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coming from the woods. It was just like this, and

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I'm like.

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What is that? And I kind of thought about it.

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In my local mechanic and a buddy of mine live

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across the roads time. They never had the radios on

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my mechanic next door, he's got insulated pole bar.

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You know, you only hear the music when you go in.

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And my buddy, I mean, he's been there for at

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least a year and he never plays radio. And I'm like,

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did he use radio on? But it sounded just coming

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from the woods. So I just kind of left it

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at that ship, you know, washed my hands. That one

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took my dog when inside. So I believe my next experience,

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how would you describe it? Was like third person experience.

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So I started. I actually took a break from.

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My career just wasn't going very far, got a normal job,

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and then I had a lot of opportunities that brought

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me back into it, back in the forestry work, and

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I got my first timber jobs in a long time,

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not too far away from lockers, I would say between

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where I live at now, in that Cockridge area. I

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was going to this job and I had my truck

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and trailer and fo wheeler, and this red Chevy pick

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up was following me down the road to my timber

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I'm working on, and I'm like, what's this guy need?

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So I get to the gates and I get out,

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and this gentleman hops office truck. He goes, are you trapping?

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And I used to trap? I told him aped a

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long time because I'm here to do some timberwork. Is oh,

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you're working in there? I said yeah, and he goes,

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oh that timber's spooky.

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What do you mean? And he goes, I got chased

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out of there? I go really, and.

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He goes, do you believe in demons, and I've had

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demonic accounters several times in my life and I'm like, well, yeah,

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I goes, I don't I was a demon. Maybe it's

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big Foot, and I'm like, I guess, never know. And

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you know, I did not brush this gentleman off. A

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good friend of mine used to have the podcast Mark

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and the Ghost to Meet podcast is current one and as

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partner at the time. She was from North Carolina and

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this she always said this and stuck with me and

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it just a new level of respect for our elders.

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So where she lived in in North Carolina, she a

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waitress at a cafe and she said it was very

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common to hear the guys at the table planning their

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fishing trip up the creek and some old timer come over,

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go now boways, be careful. I saw a big for

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the other day getting drink of water. You all be careful,

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And they just said, okay, sir, thanks for the heads up.

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They just treated as like just like seeing a deer,

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and they're always respectful about it. And so I just

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shook this man and said, well, sir, I pushed the

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heads up, and he goes, oh, you bet I had

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otherbody get chased out of here, and I in that

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timer when it got dark, this sensation came over me,

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like it's time for you to leave now, and I

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just remember that feeling.

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I'm like, Okay, it's time for me to go.

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And I recall one time in this timber, I'm doing

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the thing called hack of squirt. It's that you take

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a hatchet and a bottle of chemical and this timber

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is really overstocked with alum and ironwood and you're just

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hacking these trees without having to drop them down, setting

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it back to let you know, the sunlight come in,

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forest regeneration come about orbs and baby oaks and stuff

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like that, and you know, so you're whacking a hatch

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against a tree. So I making folk folk folk sounds.

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So I'm whacking these trees. I hear folk way off now.

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Where I'm at, you know, Ma Sabi's dial is populated,

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there's areas. There's not a lot of houses, but you know,

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three five hous is pretty normal between homes and sometimes

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more in between. So where I'm at, I'm like a

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mile back in from the road to this timber. There

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is no houses nearby, and I'm like, I heard one

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whack with a hammer, and that's why my thinking, like

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someone working on something. I never heard another knock, but

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I thought it was weird that here I am hacking.

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I hear the folk, and I thought, huh, now, let's

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see it. Trankeet my math, my time dates straight, I believe.

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Let's jump to the fall of twenty twenty three. I'm

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at my farm and I'm doing a thing called basil

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bark spray for an invasive job I'm doing for my farm.

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And basil bark spraying you're mixing diesel with a chemical

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triclopier but mainly focus on multiplower rows and honeysuckle and

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vasive species. So it's a nice October day. It's partly cloudy,

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it's warm. I'm in a T shirt, beautiful tumber and

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I'm just working away and my neighbors dogs different neighbor closer,

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his three dogs are just going nuts or barking and

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barking to hear me walk around the leaves. And then

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I hear this long, drawn out whistle and again everything

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the dogs were it was like.

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And it went on for like a.

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Good three five eight seconds, and I was like, oh man,

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I'm very stubborn. I'm like, I'm leaving. I got to

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get this job done. So that was just so profound

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how everything went quiet. And I asked my buddy later,

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like a year later, I'm like, we're hanging tree stands.

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I go, I told him the story. He goes, I

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don't tell you.

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I don't know. That's why I thought he was doing something.

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And it came from the inside of my timber, like

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south central part of my timmer if you're looking on

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that map, assentship.

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But anyway, so then.

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A week or two later, it's like November, We've had

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a front come through. It's kind of partly cloudy, and

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it's kind of snow and it's trying to rain. It's

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that beautiful amient light. This is the thing that really

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stopped me in my tracks.

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Marian Basil bark splam on his little ridge. All these

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black locust trees are at.

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It's really thick, and I'm spraying, and I have this

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tree in the corner of my eye, and what I

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thought was a vine moves and what appears to be

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a hairy long arm with five fingers unravel itself around

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the tree and it hides behind the tree. I stop

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in my tracks, and I'm like staring at this tree

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after at the corner of I saw this, and I'm

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staring this tree for a good two minutes, and there's

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no way I just saw what I thought I saw.

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I remember walking over that tree. I looked around all sides,

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nothing was there. And I will never forget that movement.

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And that really stuck with me for a long time.

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And so far nothing like that but that hairy arm.

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I will tell you this much, you are not alone

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in the woods in Danier County. That's I will leave

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that there.

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So now it gets funny.

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After you and I talked on my podcast, I interviewed Shoo,

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things really got ramped up. And I don't quite know why,

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because I think I told you the night after we

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did our.

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Interview, a dog outside two clock.

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Roughly this is January, I believe, maybe late December, I

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don't quite remember. But this lightning bolt comes out of

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nowhere into the timbers. Wow, and just this random didn't

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even storm. This is really quick thing, and I'm like,

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what does that mean? You know, it was just like

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what does that mean? So then things start happening. I

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remember going on my farm in Januinay for our late

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muzzle otter season and didn't see it.

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Deer.

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I gotta take, you know, take a rye. I take

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a lot to other ride and I'm looking at my neighbors.

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Timber was driving by, so what's going on. It's it's

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getting late, it's you know, I'm out, you know, pass

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the shooting light and I see that in the timbers

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like this, I believe a silvery looking light, blue silver light.

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I'm like, oh, some mu's got down the tree stamp. Well,

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then I'm going around the corner. I see another silver

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light and I see amber light.

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That's all.

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There's a lot of people in there, and by what's

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struck me? There's no vehicles And I know neighbors. I

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don't know these tooker people. But I've been down this

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area long enough. When people hunt there, there's.

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Always a vehicle parked on the road or parked in

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the hayfield.

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And just like, I know, if there's no one there,

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And I thought, so, either people are hunting or the

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name of the visa the orbs that folks are talking about.

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That's like, I'll make a note of that.

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So then we get to spring in early winter and whatnot. Oh,

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I will say, I didn't get this person's permission, but

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I did reach out to a person that you've had

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on your show. They've been very helpful to me. So

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if you're listening, thank you for your help. But I

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did reach out to this person after you and I talked,

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and I explained to this person. I said, hey, it

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sounds like you have connections with these forest people as

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they describe them as. And I say, you know, I'm

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in this habitat work. I'm really into a restoring native

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habitat Oak Savannah. But I have to use a lot

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of chemical. Does that bother them? I'm just curious what

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you know about that. And this person replies back and

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they go, oh, and I'm not bragging, okay, I'm taking

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what this person shared with me. They said, oh, they

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like you. Oh my, they like you a lot. And

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I'm like, excuse me. They said, they don't like the chemical,

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but they understand why you're doing it because it's such

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a big help all those plants. That's their medicine. They

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they're lacking in that, and they really appreciate it. I'm

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sitting there looking at my phone rading their message. Just

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the idea of being watched like the other ones, and

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you have the idea back in your mind like am

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I alone out here? And then you know you're it

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sounds like you're fulfilling a purpose, you know, and more

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than just conservation. I mean, I'm a passionate conservationist. I

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mean I brag about this, you know, San County Almanac

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from Alban Leopold says next to my bedstand like my bible,

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you know, I mean, I take it very seriously as

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part of my life. But then knowing that is there

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something else out there that is reaping the benefits? And

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I hope there is. I think it's wonderful, But so,

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you know, and that's in back of my mind. And

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I do listen to your podcasts a lot while I'm

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out in the timber, and uh, I'm very aware. Is

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it a possibility your podcasts, you know, or just this

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stuff in general influencing my experiences. Something pops up that's

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non big for related and you're like, oh, okay, so anyway.

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I'm trying to keep my story straight where it happened.

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Next, let's mention the feathers. So as you're working in

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the timber, there's a verious tools, chainsaws, patchets, and I would,

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you know, park met fo wheeler and I'd go in

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and occasionally chainsaw get stuck or banget, a new bar

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gets tinged or whatever. And there'd be so many times

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I'd be walking back to the foiler three or four

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times and also has a feather land there or sticking

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out of the ground, and I'm like, a hawk must

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have flew by.

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Well, then it kept happening like it's And I've been

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in the woods a long time.

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I mean, you know, ever since I moved down to

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Van Buren, since a teenager, I'd be out there, hunting, imagination,

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just going for walks. I can't tell you how many

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times I found a hawk feather. It's not always common,

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but it was. I found like three or four my

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whole twenty years being down here. But then I started

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finding more more and be one of those things. I remember,

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you know, one day my chainsaw broke down to my wife,

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what's going on?

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Coliner?

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And I'm pacing back and forth as I know, I'm

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like I am right now, and I ever seeing a feather.

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I turn around, turn around again it's gone. So it's

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like boom it's here, bump, boom, it's gone. We're likeck's

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going on?

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And the one day you and I talked about this,

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my other friend talked this.

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The long day.

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I'm trying to wrap up the timber project and I'm

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just try and get this sucker done, and back and forth,

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back and forth five or six times on his deer trail,

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and there's a feather sticking out of the ground.

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And it wasn't there just no more than two three

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minutes ago.

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And I get down and I grab this feather and

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I look at the stem, but the feather comes out

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of the birds, you know wing. There's dirt on it,

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meaning that it was placed in there. I feel this

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super surge of positive energy overwhelmed me, and I feel

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like this hand on my shoulder, very very briefly is

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a very faint hand. I've been touched my ghost, okay,

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and it's very it's a weird sensation. It kind of

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felt like that that there's something there, but there's nothing

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here I can see.

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And you're like, going on right now? So and you

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know at this.

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Same place, you know, I recall seeing stuff like the

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how can I have to describe this? You've mentioned about

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the predator look, you know from the Predator movie that

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wavy vibration. I've seen that, but shorter. So i'd be

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driving forward all of a sudden there's like this little

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three or four foot tall wavy thing go right in

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front of me, and I'm like, well, was that a

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little guy or is that a spirit not a little person.

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I don't know, you know, but I'd be very.

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Distinct trying to think there's anything else to mention before

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I move on from this area. I thought there was

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one more thing that's kind of oh yeah, this one

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was kind of crazy. So I listened so with Doctor Love.

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I believe recently she was on Flash of Beauty and

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I haven't listened to that one yet, and she, you know,

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left some really cool pearls of wisdom and one of

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them was you should pray for him, and I'm like,

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well why not. So I'm at this job I'm about

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to again, and I say, look, Lord be with our

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force people, friends, given lots of blessings in love and Jeremi,

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I hear this, I hear this call come out of

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behind me. It's like and I'm like, just stop and

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I'm just listening, and I'm like that either was a

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really pissed off squirrel a big.

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Raccoon or something else.

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But I've you know, it's ten o'clock in the morning,

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and like most you know, like raccoons, they're done for

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the day, they're hunkered down, they're still cold out, they're

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not quite moving. And the squirrels, I mean sure, but

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you know, usually it's like a couple of little barks,

460
00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.519
not this long deep chatter. And me it sounded big,

461
00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:45.000
and I'm like, well, here we go. And another time,

462
00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:48.440
this timber. I remember, I'm hearing voices, and I don't

463
00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:51.119
hear voices, by the way, but it's not like people talking.

464
00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:52.799
And I know on this farm, I am in the

465
00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:55.920
middle of nowhere again and there's nobody around laying heard

466
00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:57.599
with let me know they're coming. I wouldn't have been

467
00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.359
there they're hunting or whatever, and maybe say hi. But

468
00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:04.160
it was just like people talking very lowly, and I'm like, oh,

469
00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:09.759
this is kind of interesting. I'd have gone gifting at

470
00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:13.960
a couple of these spots in my place and not

471
00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.119
has really taken them, except maybe raccoons and stuff.

472
00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:17.559
I don't do.

473
00:23:17.960 --> 00:23:20.160
I don't go through the notions of hanging stuff in trees.

474
00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:22.880
I just leave where I feel I should at.

475
00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:25.279
But I've been.

476
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:27.359
To some spots where I try to hide them that raccoons,

477
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:28.279
I'll get to them.

478
00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:30.599
I've gone back a look a few days later, it's

479
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:31.079
still there.

480
00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:34.000
And I was texting my friend and they're like, yeah,

481
00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:37.440
you know, the Alpha or Plannel leader. If they don't

482
00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.519
trust you yet, or don't like you, or they don't

483
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:42.519
know you, they will not allow their members to take

484
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.559
these gifts. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. That's that's good

485
00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:46.920
to know. So I was just kind of thought, I

486
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:49.480
thought it was interesting. Okay, I think that's kind of

487
00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:53.000
after this area. So I'm going to tree planning at

488
00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:58.599
Lockridge and it was springtime is always busy, and you know,

489
00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:01.319
I was kind of doing these old daily short prayers

490
00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:02.079
and uh.

491
00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:04.000
You know, it feels kind of funny because I don't

492
00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:04.640
even know these guys.

493
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.920
I mean, the experience I've had so far, I've just

494
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.400
I've just accepted there's something out there and I won't

495
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:13.960
be on their good side, and just out of like

496
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:17.039
I would like to connect with the being at some

497
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.799
point and just to verify like I'm not losing my

498
00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:24.440
mind here. So but I got slocked on praying for

499
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:26.519
these guys. May be a short thirty second hole, you know,

500
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.799
fifteen thirty second prayer. And I'm out there working and

501
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:32.400
I'm pounding, you know, playing these trees and the tubes up,

502
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.599
and then i remember coming across this strip of rabbit fur.

503
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:39.400
There's no blood, there's nothing there. It's just this strip

504
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.000
of a rabbit fur laying there, and I'm like, whoa,

505
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.359
that's interesting. And i remember going back to get something

506
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:48.160
that rabbitfer was gone. And then another day I'm back

507
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.720
there and I'm in Amish country. Just so you know,

508
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.400
I'm again down a dirt road. The neighbors are all

509
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.640
homage folks. They got chickens. This means something. So I'm

510
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.920
we're back. And it's a small partial, it's very tiny.

511
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.039
So I'm if you're in the back end of this

512
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.799
little timber part with two hundred yards away from this

513
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:13.279
Homish person's house, and uh, I one of my steaks,

514
00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:16.000
my timber steak, my tree plane steaks. There's a chicken

515
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:20.359
feather on the steak, the cyberglass rod. And I'm texting

516
00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:22.359
my friend going what do you think about this? And

517
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.599
this person says, well, they want their prayers back. They

518
00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:28.759
take prayers for it seriously. And you should you know.

519
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.400
It's just a reminder. We're still cute.

520
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:31.319
Okay.

521
00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:36.160
So I remember going back up and gets some more steaks.

522
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:37.480
I thought I'll send my prayer real quest, so I

523
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.119
said my little prayer. I'm looking off and I hear

524
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.279
some really big run and I look really really quick,

525
00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:45.000
and what will appeared to be this.

526
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:48.079
Big brown blob and it's running fast.

527
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:52.599
And it wasn't a deer because I have this little

528
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.079
piece of timber. There is no deer. I mean, it's open,

529
00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:58.720
it's not great. I don't find any deer beds, and

530
00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:01.079
this took their spot. I mean two or three acres.

531
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.519
It's a very very small partial. And I'm like, okay,

532
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:07.279
I remember a message you and you're like when you're

533
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:09.640
finding tracks, and I was, I didn't think to look.

534
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.920
But also everything's so much grass and leaves. I mean,

535
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.680
it's really hard to find a track. So I just

536
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.720
I think they'll show me when they're ready, and you

537
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.279
kind of agree to that or your call. So then

538
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:22.839
it came to the ugly part. This is my least

539
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:24.920
favorite part of a tree planing fans ironic, but you

540
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:27.680
gotta do it. You got to spray around the baby trees.

541
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.119
With the tubes up, of course, so you can step

542
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.039
back the competition so they get the roots going. Now,

543
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.799
luckily I only had to spray where the brome on

544
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.000
the edge was the inner timber stuff I could leave alone,

545
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:41.279
thank god. But I had to really take out the

546
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:44.640
more competitive plant community tree as a chance, because those

547
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.000
roots underneath do matter. And so I was just saying, oh, lout, guys,

548
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.000
I'm so sorry. If you're here, I'm so sorry.

549
00:26:50.039 --> 00:26:50.519
I hate this.

550
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:52.880
I don't want to spraying this stuff, you know. And

551
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.079
as I'm so sorry, you know, and I mean it's

552
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.160
from my own conscious because I feel guilty about it too,

553
00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:57.680
but it's.

554
00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:59.000
Part of the job we do sometimes.

555
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:01.079
And I'm getting near back where I found that chicken

556
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.920
feather app and I come across this poke weed plant

557
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:10.279
and this is where I get kind of uncomfortable, because

558
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:13.720
this is where I started feeling these sensations. They're not voices,

559
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:18.400
They're like a feeling, and it's really strong. And so

560
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.599
I'm looking at these poke weed and I hear like

561
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.359
this grumpy old man voice in my head, you can

562
00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:27.799
kill those. We don't like it, and it keeps saying,

563
00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:30.519
and I eventually strayed the poke weed and it stopped

564
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.440
and I was like, well, that was kind of weird.

565
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.640
I remember thinking about my actions. I'm driving home and

566
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.240
I'm down these roads. I always think about what did

567
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.839
the land look like before the sellers came here, and

568
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.119
that's always been in the back of my mind. I

569
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:46.200
think any conservations in mind is backed their head. And

570
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:48.160
I heard this grumpy old bill said well, i'll show you,

571
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.720
and I started going to a trance as I'm driving. No no, no, no, no, no, no,

572
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:52.200
no no no.

573
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:53.240
We're not doing this right now. I don't know it's

574
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:53.920
going out and stop.

575
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:55.680
And I came out of it because I'm like going

576
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.079
down this curve, steep hill and a curve like no, no, no, no, no,

577
00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:58.720
we're not playing.

578
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:00.319
I don't know what's going on. You got stop.

579
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:04.519
And I messaged my friend like, hey, are you familiar

580
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:08.759
with pop weed? And this person says, WHOA, yeah, that's

581
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.240
like their weed. And I've said, I don't think we're

582
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:12.799
talking at the same thing. So I send this person

583
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:14.680
picture and they go, oh no, no, no, no, they don't

584
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.519
like that stuff. They can't ask us garbage for that, okay,

585
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.920
And that's the same weed they're referring to if people

586
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.279
what I'm talking about. It's just a purplish stockish plant.

587
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:27.680
It's a wonderful early successful plant, bird plant. And I

588
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:29.480
had to produces berries. I like leaving them alone for

589
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.759
the birds. Anyway, they don't like him apparently, So okay,

590
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.319
I think we're done at Lockridge. I was the most

591
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:40.079
profound things there. Now we're back on my farm again. No,

592
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.559
this is it gets interesting. So I kind of forgot,

593
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.119
but I don't I tell you about the mole story

594
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.119
on our on our last conversations, you know, I.

595
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.559
Was note, I'm following along with your map that you

596
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.839
sent me, and I was thinking, I was like, I

597
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:57.200
can't remember the mole things. So I don't know if

598
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:58.359
we actually talked about that.

599
00:28:59.680 --> 00:28:59.880
It was.

600
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.240
It's really brief. So again, I'm in my timber.

601
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:06.160
I'm attacking this black species is very invasive and I'm

602
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:06.680
hacking it.

603
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.440
And it started to rain and I better wrap this up.

604
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.720
I come across this little stream in my place and

605
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.319
I've known about it, but things have changed from the

606
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:16.720
management so much my farm. You can actually access the

607
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:19.480
stream and it's really pretty little spot.

608
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.960
You have these two big white oaks overlooking the creek edge.

609
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.079
And it's just like, you know, two three steps you're

610
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.559
across it, you know, and those is really pretty And

611
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:29.400
I'm sitting there and I need to head home. I

612
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.480
turn around and again I just walk down this thing.

613
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:34.559
I'm walking back up now. Keep this is mid and May.

614
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.880
There's a point there's a dead mole land there this

615
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:43.000
time of you're in May. What's having its letters? Podcasts,

616
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:50.079
kyotes and foxes. They really heavily on moles, fawns, gophers,

617
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:55.720
mice further young. No kyoke or any other predator would

618
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.759
leave them more so like that left behind. And I

619
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:03.279
say this picture to my friend. I said, hey, again

620
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:07.519
one of those things. I'm walking by nothing there walking

621
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:12.079
back here it is and this person has special abilities,

622
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.960
as they as they say, and this person says, apparently one.

623
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:19.640
Was munching on it, didn't like it, spit it out, and.

624
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:24.000
I'm like, oh god, it's like maybe you know, but

625
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:25.640
I'm ALSTI like, should I have missed it?

626
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.720
But again it's one of those things like I was

627
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:30.440
just walking by it. I didn't see it, and justiness

628
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.599
right here it's firstly dead. It was just a weird thing.

629
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:37.000
So later on I'll make a week or two later,

630
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:42.720
I thought, okay, I'm gonna go gifting, and I was, now, look,

631
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.319
I'm I treat this pretty seriously. I look at these

632
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.079
guys are really real. I'm in their territory. I'm gonna

633
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.359
be respectful. So I'll leave my phone, my hatchet, my bottle,

634
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.839
her beside, my gloves, all on a pilot, and my

635
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:57.599
little prayer gifting spot and again, and you know these

636
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.759
sensations the best Swagon describe it.

637
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.440
How comes over. It feels like this.

638
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.039
A chaz and with energy open up in your chest

639
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:11.359
and it just expands over you. And this feminine voice

640
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:19.079
comes over and says, we really appreciate your hojuh a conscientiousness.

641
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.920
We appreciate you so conscientious about this, but you don't

642
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.960
have to go such extremes. We would really prefer it

643
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.880
if you gifted at the oak trees you found. And

644
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:32.559
I'm struggling because I'm thinking, like, am I really hearing

645
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.240
this right now? This is all in my head And

646
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:37.319
it was such a strong sensation. I'm like, I'm gonna

647
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.960
trust instincts and just go with it. So I pull

648
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.799
my stuff back on because I got to go back

649
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:43.559
to this spot where I need to start hacking at

650
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:45.319
and I leave a little I think it's a garlic.

651
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.599
It doesn't buntle garlic and this root system like I

652
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:48.279
was instructed to.

653
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:53.039
And I go across the stream and again I hear

654
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.559
this crumpy man voice coming over in my head again,

655
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:58.160
and I'm hackney these black looks, and he goes, what

656
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:00.519
are you doing that for? So I'm trying I chill

657
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.559
these trees and I'm just talking aloud. So I can

658
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.000
you know burn back playing community? Well you don't have.

659
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:07.319
To use that.

660
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.200
I go, well, how would you do it? And he

661
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.440
goes your hand the tree and tell you don't belong here.

662
00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:13.519
Just imagine that tree going back to the ground. Now

663
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.519
I humored my intuition, or wherever the voice was. I

664
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.720
went back a few months Later's a little black locust sapling.

665
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.759
It did not work, but it was a cool idea.

666
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.599
That's interesting. And so now this corner of my farm,

667
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.759
I have three or four acres of falling cedar trees.

668
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.160
Cut them down to open up the early successional for

669
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:35.759
the playing communities again, you know, brooding birds and all

670
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.039
that good stuff. And uh, I'm getting deeper in these

671
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.279
cedar piles. As many black load as I can for

672
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.680
I how to go home. And I started hearing what

673
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.519
sounds like pig grunts. And keep in mind, there is

674
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.559
a hog anfinement across the road from my farm, but

675
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:51.440
I'm like four.

676
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:52.240
Hundred yards away.

677
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.440
I can only hear these hogs as if they're feeding them,

678
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.960
and they're squeoling like mad right next to the confinement,

679
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.279
like across my fence or something.

680
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:10.119
Sounds like this. And it was so weird because every

681
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.920
time I hit a tree, I heard this, and I'm.

682
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.640
Like, okay, let's go on out here. You know this

683
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:18.759
is my farm. I know this place back in my head.

684
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:20.640
I've never had a sign before. And that's when the

685
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.279
woes get kind of quiet, and I'm like okay.

686
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.160
And then this is the part I just sound like

687
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:27.960
a complete nut job, but bear with me.

688
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:30.839
In my mind's eye, I kind of picture you read,

689
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.160
big black big foot stand around me and I'm like, okay,

690
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:35.720
I don't hear anything. I saw mean washed really heavily.

691
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:38.920
And his other voice comes over. It says, you've gone

692
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.640
too far. You see that deer trail over there, take it,

693
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:44.960
Take it back to the logging lane and go back

694
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.559
the way you came. You're too close. I'm like, you know,

695
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:50.920
it's all good. I'm just gonna my head out. It's

696
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.960
time to go home. And so I follow these instructions.

697
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.480
But when I get down this deer trail i'm trying

698
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:59.400
to leave, this other angry voice comes over and it

699
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.799
sounds like who's got the boys? And who's got the boys?

700
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.079
And okay, I'm getting out of here again. You know,

701
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.400
I'm the kind of guy like, am I really experiencing

702
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.239
this right now? Like is this really happening right now?

703
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.480
Is this in my head? And I'm very acceptable maybe

704
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:21.639
I did. And so I fall down this logging lane

705
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.119
and I get to this bent elm tree and I

706
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:26.639
sent you a picture of the other day.

707
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:28.679
They're like, oh, think of this.

708
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.599
And I want to point out, as a foreshoe contractor,

709
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.440
is very common for trees to bend themselves trying to

710
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.519
find sunlight. So if you have a heavy, heavy canopy

711
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.480
and that little tree is not getting sunlight, it will

712
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.960
go in weird shapes to get to the sunlight. Like

713
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.679
I sent you a video yesterday of a tree doing

714
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.840
just that. It was being oppressed by bigger, mature trees. Now,

715
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.960
this tree, when you have sunlight for a grow straight

716
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:55.280
and again this is one of this grumpy old man

717
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:56.599
voice comes in my head and I'm.

718
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:58.119
Like, okay, i gotta get out of here. I'm losing it.

719
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.960
And said like, you gotta look, it's too close. We

720
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.000
got some families back here. You can come back. You

721
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.480
were talking out loud, but maybe burning this, which is great,

722
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.719
but you gotta leave. You can't come back till September.

723
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.000
That less, we'll be out of here. We're like, okay,

724
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:13.679
I'm gonna go home. I'm lay now.

725
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.840
This is a lot. And that was a profound mind

726
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:20.559
speaking Paul. That happened to me.

727
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:24.599
And it was just a weird thing. And I'm very

728
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.320
content saying either it did happen or didn't happen. It

729
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:31.000
was just a very strong sensations. And I took keat

730
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.880
so A month or so goes by, and I'm working

731
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.639
at a neighbor's place doing the brush management.

732
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:41.280
It's like late June, pretty warm, it's buggy a lot,

733
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.360
it's a lot of growth. It's difficult to walk through.

734
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:48.079
And I'm walking along Honey subtle and I'm along the

735
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.880
train tracks and I'm I'm not too far away from

736
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:52.960
the road, but I'm a good you know, five hundred

737
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.000
six hundred yards away from the road, so you can

738
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:57.960
close enough you can still hear traffic go by. And

739
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.400
I'm listening to the meat Eater, so not even here podcast.

740
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:01.840
My mind's I have a big flo at the moment,

741
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.079
and I haven't looked over, and I see this teepee

742
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.440
constructure on their side of the railroad tracks, and I'm

743
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.360
just like, you've got the kidding. There's no way, that's

744
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.079
why I think it is. And so I put my

745
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:15.920
back packs burg down, I hop the fence. You know,

746
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.519
I don't care railroad. I'm gonna check it out. And uh.

747
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.239
I go walking over and it just looks like one

748
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.039
of these structures you guys talk about. And I see

749
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:25.880
a healthy tree and what looks like a bunch of

750
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.559
little trees with no root systems. They look like they've

751
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.440
been you know, killed a part or whatever at the bottom,

752
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.199
and they're all leaning against this tree.

753
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:34.840
There's like three, four or five of these things, and

754
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:36.079
I'm like, OK, I look.

755
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.320
Over right to this structure and what looks like I

756
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.360
don't know how you want to describe, Jeremiah, but it

757
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:42.840
they look parallel ground.

758
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:43.519
Again.

759
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.639
Very likely they could have grown like that dude, the

760
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:48.079
depressure of the lack of sunlight.

761
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.239
But they're all like laying flat down and they kind

762
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:53.119
of create this canopy.

763
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:55.880
And all these Maull barriers are dropping on the ground

764
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.119
and you see all the animals sign like accoons, deer.

765
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.159
It looks like a lot a lot of disturbance.

766
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:04.000
I mean, like someone's been wrestling down there and tearing

767
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.559
stuff up. And I'm like, wow, So I you know,

768
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:09.360
I said, look, guys, I'm gonna take some pictures.

769
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.199
I'm gonna get out of here.

770
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:13.199
This is really unique and blessing to see this, and

771
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:14.119
I'm just going to leave to be.

772
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:15.559
So I took some picture of.

773
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:18.719
Seven to you, and then I get back to work

774
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.199
and I'm just very kind of at a loss of words,

775
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:21.480
like is.

776
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.480
This what I think? It is?

777
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.800
On a railroad and it's summer, it's all and no

778
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.000
one goes back there. And I'm like, well, sure, you know,

779
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:30.679
but even rare you can't see the railroad.

780
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:32.159
It's down an embankment, you know.

781
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:35.599
So I started walking and I just happened to look

782
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:40.280
down and I see this little five toe track and

783
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:42.679
I get down. I sent you the picture. You could

784
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.280
barely see the toes. There's a really wet summer. You know,

785
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.199
we haven't had a lot of rain for a couple

786
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:50.360
of years, and I think all the moisture is showing

787
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.800
these tracks more dryer than nothing. Vist really And I

788
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.880
get down and I measures, you know, a little bigger

789
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:57.880
than my hand, which.

790
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.440
I don't know my hands. I just I don't know.

791
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:03.280
And then I take a picture that I go back

792
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.360
to work and again I've got a bigger track, which is,

793
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.400
you know, I don't know my footprints eleven twelve inches

794
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:12.840
and this thing is by sixteen eighteen inches long, you

795
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.559
find toes I left to stick there to kind of

796
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:15.920
show we're an into that. And I'm just like, I

797
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.440
don't know what's going on? And am I wanting to

798
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:20.559
see this? Or is this already?

799
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:26.159
Is this really what's going on? And I remember the

800
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.840
next day, I was just hanging out kids or watching

801
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:29.159
the movie.

802
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.199
I'm just sipping some afternoon coffee, and this thought occurred

803
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:36.559
to me. All my best clients had been super patient,

804
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.920
eager for me to get in there, dagging me to

805
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:41.840
get in there.

806
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:43.639
They're just good quality people.

807
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.159
But at the same time I find interesting in all

808
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:50.039
these clients are very eager to get their timber managed

809
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:53.960
and easy to work with, quick to pay, always a

810
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:54.559
big plus.

811
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.440
And I thought, what if these guys are.

812
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.920
Tapping into the subconscious mind acting the certain lane own

813
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.199
may not just me other cots as well, to have

814
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.360
a passion of this stuff, to manipulate the habitat, to

815
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.400
make it not just for them, but better for a wildlife,

816
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.039
because you think about it, the more wildlife they have,

817
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:15.880
that means there's more food source than eats, and the

818
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:16.840
middst of the plants.

819
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:18.480
That's huge.

820
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.280
And I don't know, I just really struck me as

821
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.679
very bizarre and like, what a interesting thought. And things

822
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.840
have slowed down quite a bit. I found a couple

823
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:33.639
more tracks. One was on the same pharmost right on

824
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.320
a number one. I was at this lady's timber. It

825
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.119
was gorgeous. It was a what a timber, A healthy

826
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.960
timber looks like no one basis it's perfect. And I

827
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:45.400
just meant this the first time. I'm walking in figniture

828
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.079
stand and I look down and there's another track right there,

829
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:51.320
and again super patient, not eager to get done.

830
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:52.679
She's just like, whenever you get here's great.

831
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:57.000
I'm okay, and I'm back at the timber now I

832
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:01.360
have those experiences with the I just got back there,

833
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:04.960
and Jeremiah will tell you this timbers gorgeous. It's an

834
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:09.000
honor to be there. But it is deathly silent. I

835
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.239
hear crickets. There's not a single bird in this timber stand.

836
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:18.159
I've never been a timber that is so silent. It's odd.

837
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:23.079
But it's calmly soothing in the same time. So that's

838
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.119
that's been the experiences thus far. And that's all I

839
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:27.719
gotta say.

840
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.719
It's incredible to hear the whole story together because you

841
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.159
have been We've been chatting for quite a while and

842
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.519
you always send updates and stuff. But to hear it

843
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:40.840
all together, it's really interesting how it has progressed over

844
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.519
the last few years. And it's man and to know

845
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.400
that you know it's happening in Van Buren County, which

846
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.239
if you look at the whole picture with Van Buren,

847
00:40:53.719 --> 00:41:00.440
there's I mean, I've gotten reports going back easy eighty

848
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:04.800
years if you look at the whole picture. So because

849
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:07.360
there is there's a gentleman I talked to off record

850
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:13.039
who he said his grandparents lived in Dowds area. They

851
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.199
would tell him about something called what they would call

852
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:21.199
the Yehudies, which were a giant type thing that we're

853
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:22.840
seeing around the nineteen forties.

854
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:27.199
And Dowds give me goosebumps. And my farm's not terribly

855
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:28.320
far away from downs.

856
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.440
Right because I'm looking at like the on X but

857
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:36.039
also like, yeah, everything together and it's like, oh my goodness,

858
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.360
because his stuff is there, Dowds is there. But then

859
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:43.119
you've got Lacey Kiyosakua is like right in the middle

860
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.360
of the county and that's where all the dog benn

861
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.559
are seen. And that's where this guy in the late

862
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.280
eighties had some crazy class as that I talked to

863
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:56.280
a few few days ago. And then you've got Schamec

864
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.960
which Shamech is crazy too. That's kind of down the corner.

865
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:05.119
But my yep, Van baren Is is just a wild place.

866
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.280
When it comes to Bigfoot, you kind of mentioned you

867
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.960
were driving and they were like, well, we'll show you,

868
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:14.760
and then you started to like have this phase out thing.

869
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.960
So yeah, have they shown you things or was that

870
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.000
the first time you've experienced something like that.

871
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.760
So since you asked, I will be honest, this is

872
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:31.119
where I'm going to be. I'm not sure how to

873
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.920
share this because if anyone's listening to like this guy's

874
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:35.320
I was a freaking rocker, I don't want to know

875
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.960
my phone only might want me around for a novelty.

876
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.840
I don't know this guy talks to big Foot, so

877
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:47.440
I think I've had one talk to me regularly, and

878
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.559
again it's a very pleasant conversation. It happens two or

879
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:55.880
three times the past year. I don't feel like I

880
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:58.039
should say it's name. It's mentioned its name, and I

881
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.880
don't want to say it because I I just don't

882
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:05.079
feel like I should. But I was home in the

883
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:09.320
evening and I was thinking about this and this one

884
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.840
I've talked to two or three times since the second time,

885
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.719
probably is this a good time to show you what

886
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:16.440
it looked like?

887
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:17.440
And I'm like please.

888
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:21.880
And you know, I've gone to some deep meditations, Jeremiah, Like,

889
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:26.960
I meditate almost every other day, and I can get

890
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.440
really really deep, like so deep it feels like you're

891
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.400
swimming down to the abyss and you have to swim

892
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:32.960
back up to come back out of it. It takes

893
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:35.199
me a couple of minutes to come out of my meditations.

894
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:40.199
So when this happens, it feels like a meditative deep meditation.

895
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:45.239
I closed my eyes and I immediately saw myself on

896
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:47.960
these planes. But you know, back in the day, we

897
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:52.039
had oak savannah and imagine the savannahs of Africa, but

898
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.960
instead of boboetry, you have oak trees. And there are

899
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:59.159
remnants across most of Iowa the Midwest, and you'll see

900
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.800
the gigantic oak trees, these gigantic canopies.

901
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:02.480
It was opened.

902
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.800
Back in the day, it was all prairie and shrubs,

903
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.880
and that's been historically documented.

904
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:09.960
In this vision, I'm seeing everything.

905
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:12.880
I'm seeing bison, I'm seeing elk, I'm seeing white tailed deer,

906
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.280
and it's just a beautiful, you know, painting. Enough of

907
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.400
prairie plants and these shrubs, these big tooth aspen trees,

908
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.159
and there's prairie willows scattered around, and you're like, wow,

909
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.199
you see the first nation people migrating across the landscape.

910
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:30.239
And then they start showing me the settlers coming and

911
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.159
what they showed. I've always had a hunch about this.

912
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.519
I don't know there's any scientific evidence back this up,

913
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.639
but they showed these oak trees talk to each other

914
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:42.519
and it's like a communication, like the big network, and

915
00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:45.760
the network is kind of through my celium. That's scientifically proven,

916
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:48.840
but the tree part I'm not really sure about. But

917
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:51.639
these trees keeck to each other and it's like this

918
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:57.440
gigantic living network, living ecosystem, but it's all interwoven together.

919
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.960
And when the settler started to plow off the prairie,

920
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.880
they disturbed that connection. And that's why some timber stands

921
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:09.480
are just really disturbed. Either they weren't timber and it

922
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.719
grew up into timbery, really nasty timber.

923
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:13.760
And some areas where.

924
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:18.679
It's just over stocked, they are just not being taken

925
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:22.480
and things not being managed properly. There's no animals like

926
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.440
bison and elk disturbing these there's no fire.

927
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:26.880
Which was really critical back in the day.

928
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.400
But also the energy is all tied up and that

929
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:34.360
really that really spoke to me because it was kind

930
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:36.599
of a hunch and I don't know that's true about

931
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.719
the trees communicating with each other, but it was just

932
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:40.880
it felt like a movie.

933
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.360
You know. It's just like I'm seeing these you.

934
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.719
Know, sweaty pioneers get the prairie plowed up, but you

935
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.039
see disturbances that happen underneath, and you're like wow, So that was.

936
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.159
That was a profound moment for me, and I don't

937
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.639
I haven't even shared that my wife. I told her

938
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:57.719
a couple of things. I told her all these stories,

939
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.119
but this one, I was kind of like, I don't know, Oh,

940
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.960
she's gonna go for that one. You know it's aug meditation,

941
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:06.719
but I don't know.

942
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.559
That is that is very intense and I appreciate you

943
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.920
sharing that because I know in this subject there's things

944
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.880
that happened. That's one of them where it's it takes

945
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.559
a lot to share things like that in a public

946
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:25.320
forum and it's appreciated for sure.

947
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.159
Absolutely asked, I'll tell you right right exactly.

948
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:35.800
Have you have you talked to other individuals that do

949
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.360
similar work to what you do and are they having

950
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:41.719
other weird you.

951
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:42.199
Know, I.

952
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:47.280
Have one very good friend of mine. I like to

953
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:49.719
talk to him. He doesn't do the contract work. He's

954
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.440
more of a consultant. And I text him out of

955
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:57.000
just pure throw a dart at the tree and I said,

956
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.519
have you had weird experiences in the woods and have

957
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.880
you kat Lane open up to you. He simply said yes,

958
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.679
And I said, we have a free moment, let's sit

959
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.360
down at a campfire. And you can share no judgment.

960
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.039
I want to hear it all my other fellow contractors,

961
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:13.639
I don't think.

962
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:17.320
I have never asked.

963
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.679
Them, and I know them pretty well. They're all really

964
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.400
hard working people, but they're very folks and what they do,

965
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.840
I things could be happening. They don't realize it, and

966
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.239
they might have seen some weird stuff and they just

967
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.280
press on like I have.

968
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.280
That's wild. What did that feel like? When that person

969
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.719
was like, yes, how did that? How did that affect you?

970
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.320
He's pretty scientific minded and he said that.

971
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.360
I was like, oh wow, you know, and this he's

972
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.760
a great guy, good friend of mine for years, and

973
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:50.519
just like we got to sit down and talk about

974
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:51.719
this whenever you're ready, you know.

975
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.360
But yeah, I just felt like confirmation, you know.

976
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.880
And I'll be honest with really sparked the interest again,

977
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.960
was our friend Connie. I mean, I don't know Connie,

978
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:04.559
but when you had her on, I mean I listened

979
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:05.360
to those episodes.

980
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:06.840
I'm like, the heck is going on?

981
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.280
You know? And I would like to ask more people questions,

982
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.920
but that's simp I've seen some posts that people trying

983
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.800
to ask about Big Van van Buren and they're shut

984
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:19.920
down immediately, you know, So it's it'd be nice to

985
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:24.039
meet more folks that are sound mine. Yeah, I think

986
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.199
there's something going on, we just don't. I think this

987
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:32.440
culture ineast Iowa is very protective, and I don't blame them,

988
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.159
because it's funny. When you go to Appalachia, those folks

989
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.800
talk about like it's seeing a deer run by, but

990
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:39.840
then over here it's like it doesn't exist.

991
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:41.480
I want to talk about it, I'm gonna block it out.

992
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:42.679
And that's unfortunate.

993
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:48.119
It is, and you run into that lot where you

994
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:51.400
try to ask in certain areas and you just shut down.

995
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:56.119
But sometimes you know it just you hear back a

996
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:58.440
few weeks later. I mean, that's what happens to me

997
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.920
when I try to go into certain small town Facebook

998
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.159
groups or whatever. But you know, something I was just

999
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.039
wondering or just noticing on the map. I've never noticed

1000
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:11.559
that weird thing that the Des Moines River does in

1001
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:15.519
the center of the county. It is, it doesn't even

1002
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.119
make sense why it would, Like, it's this crazy curve

1003
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:21.239
and Kiyosakuwa is in the middle of it, and then

1004
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.880
you've got the state park that's just so strange.

1005
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:24.360
Dude.

1006
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:27.679
It is interesting cause I remember, you know, going I

1007
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:29.679
was branding the area. You know, my friends would take

1008
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:31.760
me to the fireworks down there Kissockw's and that's an

1009
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:32.480
awesome thing to.

1010
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.440
Do in fourth of July. And I always going to come.

1011
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.239
Man, the river looks at going backwards and go yeah,

1012
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:37.920
it's a big curve, dude, And I go, oh, yeah,

1013
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.239
you know you used to you know, going downstream and

1014
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:41.840
it looks like it's going to opposite direction.

1015
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.800
Absolutely. And you hear from or at least I hear

1016
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.559
from a lot of researchers that if you're wanting to

1017
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:57.480
find a bigfoot area, look for crazy curves in the river.

1018
00:49:58.920 --> 00:49:59.639
Oh that's interesting.

1019
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:00.440
I know that.

1020
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:03.760
Yeah, I've heard that a lot from from people. And

1021
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.800
so it's I don't think it's really a coincidence that

1022
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:12.280
lacy Kiyosakwa State Park is right there at that wild

1023
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.000
and crazy curve. I don't know, man, It's just it's

1024
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:16.199
very very strange.

1025
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:19.719
Well, you're why do you think that curve? You thing

1026
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:22.400
that has energy and mad it is get it kind

1027
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.119
of drives them up. I mean, what's your thoughts.

1028
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:26.440
I don't know. I've been I've been trying to you know,

1029
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.559
think through it for I mean for a few years now,

1030
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:33.639
and I just I just have no idea. It's usually

1031
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.960
like if there's a curve there and then there's a

1032
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:41.400
lot of like there's a wooded area, but man, I

1033
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:45.320
don't know what is Uh? Are there a lot of

1034
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:50.400
what's the geology like down there? Do you know anything

1035
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:50.800
about that?

1036
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:54.000
Well?

1037
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:57.079
I mean we have several lime quarries, so I would

1038
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.599
say a lot of our minerals and are limestone. I

1039
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.079
mean we have the largest you know, blind quarry I

1040
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:05.079
think in the state, which just bouts, you know, and

1041
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:08.679
listening to Connie's episode, it sounds like there's been encounters

1042
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:11.519
in those Corey caves, which is wild. Yeah, I think

1043
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:13.840
in the interview we did ane of you looked at it,

1044
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.239
but people should go check it out. If you look

1045
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:19.840
up the magnetic anomalies map of Iowa, which I'm not

1046
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.719
quite sure how that works, but shows like magnetics because

1047
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.039
Errio has its own you know, frequencies and stuff like that.

1048
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.480
It's kind of really dark purple through most southeast Iowa.

1049
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.119
It shows up there's a big anomaly of innetics, not coursing.

1050
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:36.159
I'm not sure how it works. I guess, but it

1051
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.639
was definitely anomally for most South style, which I thought

1052
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:39.440
was really unique.

1053
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:44.159
That is such a good idea. I have never thought

1054
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.840
to even look at a map like that and oh

1055
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.960
my goodness, yeah you're right. Yeah, wow, dude, that really

1056
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:56.039
makes you think, doesn't it. Have you run into other

1057
00:51:56.119 --> 00:52:00.880
people in your county that are also in to either

1058
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.079
of the this bigfoot subject or dog man and are

1059
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:06.960
actively researching in the county.

1060
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:08.679
No, I don't know anybody.

1061
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.159
The only guy I met was a gentleman who tracked

1062
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:17.400
me down, who claimed, uh, man, now I have there's

1063
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:18.519
something I didn't notice.

1064
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.480
Have you seen the sasquatch silhouettes.

1065
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.960
That people make, like you know, the yes, laser cutter

1066
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:29.159
guys make. You know, quite a few people have those,

1067
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.679
and they're cool. My wife all out if I get

1068
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.840
shot at problem. But I kind of wonder if that's

1069
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.840
a sign that perhaps they believe or had an account

1070
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.679
and not just the high way of saying yeah, I

1071
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.519
may have seen one. That's just a theory. I'm not

1072
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.199
sure that's true, but it's interesting thoughts.

1073
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.800
No, I think there's there's definitely something to that. It's

1074
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:54.920
so weird that the area is so active and there's

1075
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.599
no one else unless they're just being quiet about it.

1076
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.519
Why, I think there's a lot of people.

1077
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:02.599
I mean, dude, I mean, listen to Connie's story. Just

1078
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.880
sounds like, don't talk about it, don't say anything, you know,

1079
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:07.599
and you know, look man, I mean it's rural Iowa.

1080
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.320
I mean people, you know.

1081
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.440
Peers are everything, your tribe is everything, you know, and

1082
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.280
if the peer group doesn't agree, they're going to tell you.

1083
00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.280
You know, So it's I don't know.

1084
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.280
I would really like to have a conversation somebody. I

1085
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.519
would love to talk to someone from the miss Squawkie

1086
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.400
settlement up in I think it's Tama County. Oh yeah,

1087
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.800
and just ask, you know, what's your guys's oral history,

1088
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:34.079
you know, I like to learn.

1089
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:34.840
I've looked on theline.

1090
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:38.760
I can't find much just on the forest people, but

1091
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.119
I they do talk about four spirits. But I would

1092
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:44.239
like to talk to one and just like just share

1093
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.400
on all all yours, no judgment. I just want to

1094
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:47.199
hear your side.

1095
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:52.119
Yeah, that would be super interesting. Have you ever considered

1096
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.599
looking into their powow that they do. I don't even

1097
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.199
know if those are open to the public or how

1098
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:56.920
that works.

1099
00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.159
I don't know if they are. I would love to

1100
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:00.199
go to one, but I.

1101
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.239
Haven't looked at It's a good idea to try, because

1102
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:05.239
they're they're the ones that are going to have the

1103
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:10.559
definite information about the that history of of really the

1104
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:14.000
entire area. So I think, right, that's a great ada.

1105
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.599
Right Yeah, well, I mean I I think you know,

1106
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:20.679
they weren't comfortable talking on your show. I mean, people's like, uh,

1107
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:23.559
don't listen on my podcast. I'd be a great outlet

1108
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.719
just talk about all history stuff. You know, they're more

1109
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.760
comfortable that way. But no, I mean, I know one

1110
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:31.519
gentleman who is I believe I think he said he

1111
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:33.559
was the squawky descent. I don't want to sit down

1112
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:35.960
with him. He's our are one of our local towns.

1113
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.880
But you know, he just want to be respectful, you know,

1114
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:40.800
and just don't want to go up to something. But hey,

1115
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.199
you know that's just not that's not that's not cool.

1116
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:44.920
So I just h yeah, it would be nice to

1117
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.239
meet somebody that has all history and jesse.

1118
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:53.480
You're having interactions as you work. Usually yea, sometimes people

1119
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.039
will get to the point where they're like, Okay, I

1120
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.880
want to actively go out and try to go to

1121
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:01.920
an area and see if I can have things happen

1122
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:06.000
or are you comfortable with sticking to how you're doing

1123
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:08.920
things worth you know, if it does happen when I'm

1124
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.440
working in these certain areas, then that's what's meant to be.

1125
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.440
I'm pretty comfortable just see what happens.

1126
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:18.000
I mean, I'm in there, I'm in their home and

1127
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:20.440
I'm trying to improve it. It's kind of weird because

1128
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.000
you feel like a contractor that's you know, hey, I'm

1129
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.320
going to improve your house. Well I'm even to do

1130
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.000
it anyway. I have a zen practice and the tate

1131
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:31.880
and you know, I I'm told I have the heart

1132
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:33.559
of a child, and that's not supposed to be a

1133
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:34.480
derogatory thing.

1134
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:36.280
It's just I'm very open curiosity.

1135
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.400
I'm open to things, and I you know, I get

1136
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.199
excited seeing baby oak trees a door got on the

1137
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:46.000
stuff man, and I get excited and playing news forgotten

1138
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:47.920
species that are native to our area, like I got

1139
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:50.000
this little grill that big tooth aspen and see aspen

1140
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:52.840
trees back to native range is really exciting to me.

1141
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:56.320
And I get more excited seeing a woodcock do it

1142
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:58.079
to dance and I do a big white tailed deer.

1143
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:03.360
You know, that's just my heart. And I think sometimes

1144
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.599
I go in expecting an experience, and I know that's

1145
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.159
not that's not a healthy way to go about it.

1146
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.119
It's more I like to experience something else because the

1147
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.119
egos like, oh another story. But deep down it's like

1148
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:18.480
I have always been the outcast because I'm not the

1149
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:22.639
typical hunter. I look at balance. I look at conservation.

1150
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.880
That's my number one goal. I don't care about the

1151
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:26.920
big white tail bucks. I mean, now it'd be cool

1152
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:30.239
to harvest one, but I'm more interested in balance. So

1153
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:32.559
I shoot more does in my area, and I enjoyed

1154
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:35.519
the meat. And I'm more eager about seeing moore quail

1155
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:37.760
and turkey and other animals too. I get excited seeing

1156
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.199
different kind of moths. I mean, I'm a dork, you know, but.

1157
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:44.000
I I have.

1158
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:46.599
A love for the land. I think they'll connect when

1159
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.719
they think the time is right. And so I will

1160
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:53.159
just continue my work and just focus on the conservation work.

1161
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.400
And I'll be honest with you. If one ever showed

1162
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:58.239
itself to me, I don't know what I would do.

1163
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:00.360
I've prepared myself.

1164
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.679
Because Connie claims she's seen hundreds of them, and I'm like,

1165
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.280
that's think about and I just you know, I don't know,

1166
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.360
you know, she I don't know. I'm taking a work

1167
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.039
for it, but you know, it's like, what would I do?

1168
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.440
This nine foot tall hairy dude shows up out of nowhere,

1169
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:17.960
and I'm like, oh man, you know, my biggest fear

1170
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.880
is how I will react. I've heard a lot of

1171
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:24.119
stories in your podcast, man, and betrayal seems like a

1172
00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:25.760
really big thing and.

1173
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:29.360
Which is for anybody. And the idea of like I

1174
00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:30.360
just do a.

1175
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.599
Fight or flight mode it makes my heart knowing I

1176
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:35.719
would wait their heart.

1177
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:39.679
You know, And that's the thing.

1178
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.920
I would like to meet one and just connect. But

1179
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:47.239
also listening to the Sierra Sounds and some of your

1180
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.599
stories on your show, it's like, oh man, these guys

1181
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:53.920
are different, you know, and I don't know it would

1182
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:56.800
be It'd be quite the side for sure. But and

1183
00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:59.199
I'm prepared for that because you just never know. I mean,

1184
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:03.480
I don't know about these men. I don't know, I

1185
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.960
don't know. I have never many one is such a

1186
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.760
vague topic. When there's so much more and more information

1187
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:12.360
on these forced people, so many more stories, it's kind

1188
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.000
of like, is it our dimensional being that pops in

1189
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:16.039
out occasionally? You know?

1190
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:20.000
Anyway, No, and answer your question.

1191
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:22.119
I think I just, folks, what I'm doing to stay

1192
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:26.239
at the focus task of hand and just see where

1193
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:26.920
the cards fall.

1194
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:32.239
Absolutely, And I think that you are a human that

1195
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.280
is so focused on pretty much, I mean pretty much

1196
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.079
is saving the earth, the nature of the earth. I

1197
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.599
mean that's that's what you do as a conservationist, which

1198
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:46.599
is really cool. And I think that probably you know,

1199
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:49.400
plays plays to your favor as well.

1200
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.719
I think there's a lot of merit and people opening

1201
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.440
up and talking about this subject in this area, and.

1202
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:01.119
You know it is I mean you have to be like,

1203
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.159
what's that one bigfoot show? But you know it's a squatch.

1204
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.320
You don't have to go out looking for this guy.

1205
00:59:07.719 --> 00:59:11.559
You know, I don't know what you're talking about, but

1206
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:14.039
oh I can guess. Okay, yeah I get it.

1207
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.639
Sure, Yeah, yeah that show no One back fifty years ago.

1208
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:18.719
You know, you know what we don't We don't have

1209
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:20.639
to go looking for we can just you know, there's

1210
00:59:20.679 --> 00:59:23.079
people in this area that are like I needed to

1211
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.800
tell my chest. We can have a campfire and you know,

1212
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.039
have a meal and just just share, you know. I

1213
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.719
mean I'm open to that, you know, and just get

1214
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:32.599
it off the chest. I think that'd be really healthy.

1215
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:36.400
So I think that's I mean that I've heard of

1216
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.960
actually other people doing that in other states around around

1217
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.760
the US. It's a great, great way for people. It's

1218
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.159
really therapy for people to just be able to have

1219
00:59:46.280 --> 00:59:48.480
someone listen and not you know, make fun of them.

1220
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:51.480
But Jesse, I was I want to say, you know,

1221
00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.679
thank you so much for coming on. I'm glad we

1222
00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:57.039
were finally able to have this conversation and and it'll

1223
00:59:57.079 --> 00:59:59.840
be interesting to see you know as your journey for

1224
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.800
is you know, what happens next in Van Barrien County.

1225
01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:05.440
But I wanted to make sure that you were able

1226
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:09.159
to share everything that you had come to the show

1227
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.440
to share today.

1228
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.840
No, I'm very content and Jeremah, I really appreciate it.

1229
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:18.119
I was very blown away. You want to talk to me.

1230
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:21.880
I really sent you my stories and if anything happens

1231
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:22.360
to me and my.

1232
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:24.079
Wife's like, what the heck is it? I don't know this.

1233
01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:27.199
She's going to the computer that somebody has it, and

1234
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:28.840
you know, I mean I'm out in the woods. I

1235
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:31.840
mean I could get you know, stole away by big Foot,

1236
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:33.880
or tree falls on me or you know, falls through

1237
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:35.840
the wheel, what whatever. Man, It's just like somebody has

1238
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:38.400
the stories and I'll keep adding to them hopefully.

1239
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:40.800
But yeah, I'm just.

1240
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:42.599
Really gratefully you took the time to interview me today.

1241
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:43.320
Thank you very much.

1242
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:46.800
Absolutely, And you know, just to address that, you know,

1243
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:48.679
we have we have it back and forth because we

1244
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:52.000
have talked before. So you know that's why I may

1245
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:54.320
maybe laughing a little bit, that's just because we're having

1246
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:56.559
a good time. But in all seriousness, you know, these

1247
01:00:56.599 --> 01:01:00.840
are very serious things. And you know, if people are

1248
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:04.159
experiencing things like this, you know, they are welcome to

1249
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:06.800
reach out. If they need someone to talk to you,

1250
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:09.280
they can always send me an email. But you know,

1251
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.199
Jesse has been a privileged talking to you. I do

1252
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:16.239
have one or two things to say off the air,

1253
01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:18.760
but just thank you for coming on the show.

1254
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:21.199
Man, Thank you very much.

1255
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:24.320
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1256
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:27.360
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1257
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:30.480
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1258
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:33.159
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1259
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:36.519
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01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:44.840
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01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:56.800
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1267
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:59.760
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1268
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.880
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1277
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.599
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1278
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